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June 29, 2012

In-between tears, Greens Senator for Perpetual Grief Sarah Hanson-Young has today announced a “breakthrough” in the abominable impasse that threatens to destroy this once great and compassionate nation.

Speaking in Canberra today Ms Hanson-Young told reporters “what we need to do is stop them getting on the boats in the first place.”

I guess no one had thought of that before.

It’s these great minds and intellectual heavyweights that one day will aspire to running the country. 

We are doomed.

Meanwhile following yesterday’s dismal parliamentary proceedings Juliar fronted the media saying that she understands that Australians would naturally be “disappointed and upset” by Parliament’s failure to reach a solution to the asylum seeker impasse and that it is the Government’s job to “reflect the wishes of the Australian public.”

Oh how we laughed!  If she was truly sincere about that, Kevin Rudd would be running the show…!

Who does she think she is, this “Juliar person” and what does she want from us?  

How did these so-called “politicians” get it so wrong?  Yes they did.

 

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  1. June 29, 2012 1:35 pm

    Love the “Green Senator for Perpetual Grief”.

    You say Gillard says, ‘it is the Government’s job to “reflect the wishes of the Australian public.”’

    Labor try desperately to reflect the Australian people’s wishes back at ’em – focus groups, slogans, spin – that’s what gets them into such hopeless tangles like the current asylum seeker debacle. They’ll have to re-moor their party to some bedrock principles one day.

    PS: why do you have such a homophobic cartoon in your header? Very thinly veiled as a dig at Abbott. Pretty unpleasant stuff.

  2. June 29, 2012 1:46 pm

    Milne’s evangelical demogogary on ABC’s 7:30 the other night and Hanson-Young’s crocodile tears convenced me to never vote Green and never give them preferences.

    PS: Don’t see your header cartoon as homophobic! Certainly xenophobic and right on the mark as far as Phoney Tony goes.

  3. June 29, 2012 1:50 pm

    There appears to be different speech bubbles on different pages. One thing that really gets my goat is people from the Left making jokes about people from the Right by putting racist/homophobic/sexist remarks in their mouths. A lot of the time the psychology is clear: it’s a cowardly way of enjoying the thrill of making the r/h/s remark while putting the guilt for it on someone else’s shoulders.

  4. June 29, 2012 2:00 pm

    “why do you have such a homophobic cartoon in your header? Very thinly veiled as a dig at Abbott. Pretty unpleasant stuff.”

    Thinly veiled…?

    I thought it was a very blatant dig at Abbott…

    But anyway, I’ll remove them..

    Welcome by the way… 🙂

  5. June 29, 2012 2:07 pm

    “One thing that really gets my goat is people from the Left making jokes about people from the Right by putting racist/homophobic/sexist remarks in their mouths.”

    Jeesus, you might not last too long around these parts in that case…

    Although to be fair, we make fun of the whole bloody lot of them – Libs, Labor, Greens, Nats and the Indies..

  6. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 2:46 pm

    ‘Welcome by the way…’

    I second that.

  7. June 29, 2012 4:18 pm

    Hi reb

    Maybe I didn’t make the point I was trying to make very well – I get sick of the assumption that anti-gay-marriage = homophobia. It doesn’t. I certainly wasn’t saying don’t make fun of the pollies! Heaven forfend! I spend my entire blog life doing that! I’m a big free speech advocate. And from what I’ve seen so far this looks like an engaging blog and discussion forum. (PS if I hadn’t taken a strict personal vow never to use an emoticon, I’d put one in here – smiling, of course!)

  8. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 4:49 pm

    Gina goes to war in a civilised way.

    ‘Gina Rinehart, Fairfax Media’s largest shareholder, has called on chairman Roger Corbett to agree to a “performance milestone” of returning the company’s share price to 87 cents and reverse “the five-year decline in paid circulation and revenue”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/rineharts-fairfax-battle-gets-personal-20120629-217gz.html#ixzz1zA8CAPkk

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2012 5:25 pm

    But anyway, I’ll remove them.. WTF!

    I get sick of the assumption that anti-gay-marriage = homophobia *** So what does it actually/really mean, Victor?

    I confess that I can assume far too much in this heterosexual world I attempt to live in …

    I’ve visited your blog and I know that crossing swords with you could be dangerous, however, we like to “test” new Trashers* … it’s a fun pastime … 🙂 (I like smileys BTW, personal vows are a bit medieval, I reckon, use it all but use it well!)

    *especially ones with bold statements like the one above … ***

  10. June 29, 2012 5:54 pm

    “But anyway, I’ll remove them.. WTF!”

    Don’t be alarmed, it’s not because Victor found it offensive, More because after you’ve seen the humour a few tines it diminishes the impact.

    Oh fuck it, I’m putting them back up, for the weekend at least anyway…!

  11. June 29, 2012 6:43 pm

    I like the speech bubble.

    I like this too.

    Gerard Henderson is a prize fuckwit! not to mention a humourless germ of conservative victimhood.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/midwinter-brawl-why-i-called-him-a-complete-fwit/story-e6frfkw9-1226412557759

    Farr is a cockhandler too, but not an uptight moaner of the same calibre as Henderson.

  12. JAWS permalink
    June 29, 2012 6:47 pm

    ASX finished stronger today after a piss weak morning session following comments that the Europeans (Read Germans mainly) are going to put cash into failing European Banks by lending directly to the Banks rather than to individual governments (like Spain) which then had to on lend that cash to its own banks.

    That means the Spanish and Italian governments et al wont have even bigger government debts making them even bigger credit risks therefore easing their bond rates and borrowing costs.

    So up goes Wall Street tonight (in theory)

    In my opinion they have kicked the can down the road using their left foot rather than their favoured right foot (hoping no one notices) to buy some more time.

    They still need to restructure if the Euro is to survive.

    Thats a political crisis they will take years to address but they are facing a financial crisis and they dont have years to address that.

    Only months……………..but probably only weeks.

    They are sooooooooooooo badly fucked

    Happy New Year !

  13. June 29, 2012 6:52 pm

    Welcome, Victor.

    Personally, I haven’t heard a reasonable rationalisation against gay marriage yet. I fail to see how a loving commitment between two individuals of consenting age has any net negative impact upon anyone else on the planet.
    I’d have thought that conservatives (& I don’t know whether you’re one or not) should be in favour of the whole single relationship, lifelong partnership thing? I can only assume that the ‘icky homo’ factor & a paranoid fear of damage to religious institutions is the underlying motivation for most people’s protestations against.
    I could give a fuck about marriage myself. I’ve lived in sin (guffaw) for a decade & a half & we have a twelve year old; neither of us feels a need to ‘make it right’ in the eyes of others.
    That doesn’t mean that I don’t think that others shouldn’t be able to do so if they so choose.

  14. June 29, 2012 6:56 pm

    Happy Birthday, TB, you bizarre Queenslandish yak rider, you! 🙂

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:02 pm

    People who are religious (for whatever reason) may have some misguided objection to gay marriage. At least they don’t try to put on some rational, considered pretext on their narrow-mindedness.

    Those who object and seek to put a rational gloss on their narrow minded opposition are intolerable homophobes.
    ————————-
    Now I’m going back for an evening surf!

  16. June 29, 2012 7:03 pm

    Onya, YomM.

  17. June 29, 2012 7:06 pm

    How awesome.

    Abbott tells me a different deepseated truth everytime I refresh the page! I enjoy being reminded that he is a backwardsarsed throwback.

  18. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:18 pm

    LOL boss on that link…s’pose you’ll be off to work soon?

  19. June 29, 2012 7:22 pm

    Yeah, in a few hours.

    Good sleeping weather today. Pissing down.

  20. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:28 pm

    My son is on the 7pm to 7am shift again tonight and he thinks its fucking up his head. He works for National Geographic and has to watch an endless supply of wildlife as it goes to air.

    Guffaw was funny.

  21. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:33 pm

    ‘No comments after 5pm, due to staff cuts.’

    Andrew Bolt

  22. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:37 pm

    Good man Talcum.

    ‘Nearly two years after Tony Abbott vowed to tear down the beginnings of the national broadband network and to “demolish” it, the Coalition now says it will not roll back or cancel it, if it comes to power at the next election.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/we-will-not-cancel-the-nbn-turnbull-20120629-217f3.html#ixzz1zAoadDwL

    A wise political move.

  23. June 29, 2012 7:47 pm

    Nightshift licks da bagz, el gordo.

    I’ve been at it for most of my working life & it doesn’t get any easier. It’s stating the obvious to say that it’s just ‘unnatural’.
    Non shift workers will never truly understand.

    I find the worst part is coming off of the last nightshift & having to completely reverse my sleeping pattern to readjust to ‘normal’ life. It can take several days before I’m not PING! wide awake suddenly at 2am, no matter how tired I am when I go to bed.

    I’m not bitching though, I’m paid handsomely for it these days & only have to do 6 nights a round, with 6 days & 6 afternoons. It’s disruptive & unsettling to swap around like that, but it’s debatable whether or not it’s worse than straight, permanent nightshift.
    Anyhoo, I get 10 days off when I finish nights this time so I’m pretty fucken stoked about that! In the school holidays too, which is a big bonus. We’re hoping to get out for a few icy surfs together, swell & wind permitting.

    I think the mix of shifts with short turn arounds done by nurses would be harder.

  24. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:47 pm

    A timely discovery.

    ‘Archaeologists have found carvings in a stone staircase at the La Corona dig site in Guatemala which confirm the ‘end date’ of the Maya calendar, December 21, 2012.

    ‘It is only the second known inscription which confirms this ‘end date’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2166375/Second-inscription-confirming-end-date-Mayan-calendar-2012-Guatemala.html#ixzz1zAqxbAop

  25. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 7:54 pm

    Shift work is unnatural, but somehow we survive. Done it myself at different times in my life and found it hard to settle into a ‘normal’ routine.

  26. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 8:35 pm

    Check!

    ‘GINA Rinehart has dramatically upped the stakes in her battle for seats in the Fairfax boardroom accusing chairman Roger Corbett of breaking the charter of editorial independence by having the right to fire the editor of The Age.

    ‘In an open letter, Ms Rinehart attacks Mr Corbett, saying that he had used the charter that sets out the independence of Fairfax’s editors as a smokescreen, and arguing that “contrary to Fairfax reporting” her main concern is saving the business.’

    Darren Davidson in the Oz

  27. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 8:45 pm

    Channelling jaws…

    ‘European markets soar after Germany caves in to demands made by Italy and Spain for immediate eurozone aid to bring down their soaring borrowing costs, sending the euro and stock markets higher.’

    UK Tele

  28. James of North Melbourne permalink
    June 29, 2012 10:00 pm

    It was my birthday 8 weeks ago….

    Just sayin.

  29. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 10:15 pm

    Mine was a couple of weeks back…surely this can’t be a coincidence?

  30. James of North Melbourne permalink
    June 29, 2012 10:20 pm

    Not as big as the carbon tax and the end of the Mayan calendar.

  31. JAWS permalink
    June 29, 2012 10:35 pm

    Big rally on wall street futures at the moment of 1.5%. Spending numbers for USA just came out on prediction.

    So physical Dow should go up tonite by plenty.

    Then by next tuesday should be back to normal SNAFU index.

  32. JAWS permalink
    June 29, 2012 10:58 pm

    The commentators on CNBC are just going crazy about the “european breakthrough”

    These people have fucking rocks in their heads .

    This is a rally based on any good news is better than the medium term reality and not one of these cnuts has mentioned it is likely short sellers covering there arses.

  33. el gordo permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:02 pm

    ‘…short sellers covering there arses.’

    Yep, honesty in journalism, you’re a credit to TDT.

  34. Sean permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:08 pm

    The Europeans have called it the tcdp program which means troubled countries redevelopment program.

    I’m serious

    Did these people notice it looks like “tcrp” really stands for “total crap”

    Angela Merkel fucking well blinked !

  35. Sean permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:09 pm

    Thx eg

  36. Sean permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:10 pm

    Tell em that at the Cafe

    ROFLMAO

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:11 pm

    Just heard an add about the Household Assistance Package on TV. Apparently people earning under 80K/year are going to get some money from the Australian govt.

    Not too sure why since the advertisement did not say. But it looks like people earning under 80K/year are going to get some money for no apparent reason.

  38. JAWS permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:11 pm

    Oops

    Just noticed my name

  39. JAWS permalink
    June 29, 2012 11:38 pm

    Dow up 1.5%

    Yanks obviously can’t read between the lines

    FaaaaaaaaaaaRK

  40. JAWS permalink
    June 30, 2012 12:06 am

    Oooooooooh

    Just watching recording of Lateline

    Emma looks ……………………….Mmmmmm

    Rather nice I must say

    Even tho she’s a leftie

  41. JAWS permalink
    June 30, 2012 12:17 am

    Big news for car enthusiasts

    Renault and Ford have announced they are going to build a car together aimed specifically at the female market.

    They are going to merge their Clio and Taurus models.

  42. el gordo permalink
    June 30, 2012 6:57 am

    ‘They are going to merge their Clio and Taurus models.’

    Ha ha…that’s funny, the cafe crowd would find it amusing if they weren’t so serious.

  43. June 30, 2012 8:11 am

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!

    Tom Cruise is getting divorced again!!!!

    Surely in this day and age he should free to marry the husband of his choice….

  44. June 30, 2012 8:50 am

    She will never escape from the operating thetan. He is something more than human, Xanu be praised!

  45. June 30, 2012 8:55 am

    toiletgerardprizefuckwithenderson (man, that’s a mouthful) said, “Personally, I haven’t heard a reasonable rationalisation against gay marriage yet.”

    Haven’t heard one or haven’t LISTENED to one?

    [I’m classical liberal, just for the record]

    One thing that amazes me about the debate – why do gays WANT marriage? The institution has never wanted them, has been part of some pretty ferocious persecutions over the centuries – it’s now dying, lost most of its former import – why on earth would they want in? It strikes me as juvenile.

    Marriage, in the West, is a Christian ceremony and tradition – for over two thousand years the Christian religion has helped build our great civilisation and Marriage has been an important bedrock part of that project. It deserves respect.

    I’m not a Christian – I certainly would never get married – but I RESPECT what’s left of the institution. But let’s be frank, the Christians are not good when it comes to sex – they want all sexual activity tightly reined in and given expression only within marriage – preferably carried out just for the creation of new souls.

    I don’t buy that – I think human sexuality has far greater legitimate range and expression – as you can see by studying other cultures, other times.

    But let the Christians keep the remnants of their tradtitions intact. Who knows, we made need to go back to Church one day.

    Bob Brown is right now writing a book where he looks at developing secuar ceremonies for glbt community and other interested secularists. BEAUTIFUL! Go for it – exactly what our increasingly post-Christian world needs. BUT HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR CULTURAL TRADITION. I work with a lot of immigrants from India, and I constantly observe the way they have a quiet, strong belief in their own history and culture – something that West seems increasingly to lack.

  46. June 30, 2012 9:09 am

    “Marriage, in the West, is a Christian ceremony and tradition”

    Correction. Marriage first and foremost is a legal contract.

    Many people choose to get maried without the involvement of the church and free of any religous or christian association whatsoever.

    You might not understand why some gay couples want to get married, but that shouldn’t prevent them from being free from the opportunity to do so shiuld they wish.

    The narow minded views of others shouldn’t be used as justification to discriminate against others.

    Fifty years ago men probably couldn’t understand why women would ever want to vote.

    Times change and people move on….

  47. June 30, 2012 10:52 am

    “The narow minded views of others”

    There’s nothing narrow in my views – I’m tolerant of both Christians and gays.

    And another problem I have with the push for gay marriage – why only agitate for gays? Consenting adults of all persuasions should be free to marry, shouldn’t they? Incest and polyamory – why aren’t they included in this human rights push? In fact I’ve heard gay-marriage activists say they would never support legalising incestuous or polyamorous marriage – how narrow-minded.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 30, 2012 11:59 am

    ” Haven’t heard one or haven’t LISTENED to one?”

    There simply isn’t one.

    With suicide rates among youth at alarming rates, the most at risk group are young gay people.

    Public institutions exist to bind people to the common values in society, and if particular groups are shunned, unable to participate in the institutions and traditions, then marginalisation and high suicide rate are the consequences.

    Public institutions and traditions ought to be participative and accessible, not exclusive.

  49. June 30, 2012 12:19 pm

    …I work with a lot of immigrants from India, and I constantly observe the way they have a quiet, strong belief in their own history and culture – something that West seems increasingly to lack…

    Yes, i saw some of that on the abc. When there are immigration visas at the end of a forced marriage deal, how is that different to people trafficking?

    Without Consent:

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/03/29/3466537.htm

    particularly see:
    Video: Interview with Farida Sultana, Shakti Community Council (Four Corners)

    Arranged Marriage: CNN Examines The Age-Old Practice In India (VIDEO)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/arranged-marriage_n_1560049.html

  50. June 30, 2012 12:49 pm

    Reb and

    Correction. Marriage first and foremost is a legal contract.

    Many people choose to get maried without the involvement of the church and free of any religous or christian association whatsoever.

    We have had civil registrations since 1856, therefore the non-involvement of churches is hardly anything new. Marriage is indeed based on contract law aka the contract of marriage..goods and chattels.

  51. June 30, 2012 12:50 pm

    “Without Consent:”

    I wasn’t giving blanket agreement with all their cultural practices – but the necessity for a healthy respect for your own traditions. And that DOESN’T mean you aren’t open to progress and improvement – it’s a matter of balance. Ancestor-respect – it’s not only healthy, it’s essential. The progressive movement in the West today is unbalanced — nothing more than a shallow, knee-jerk anti-West posture.

  52. June 30, 2012 12:55 pm

    Kitty, that’s something which has been brought in recently..the protection of women enforced marriages. However, it does take a gutsy young woman to rebel against her family and her culture.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2012 1:58 pm

    The progressive movement in the West today is unbalanced — nothing more than a shallow, knee-jerk anti-West posture.

    Mmmm … Victor … please explain … (that’s classical liberal jargon for “I don’t know what your taliking about” … I believe)

    I’m intrigued with the confidence of your statements, just a few of questions, if I may ….

    1. Which “progressive movement” are you referring to? (there are literally thousands in the West – that indicates lots of problems in the West)

    2. What do you mean by “unbalanced”? (ie “not psychologically normal” or did you mean that there is an “imbalance” between traditional Western values and all … or a particular, progressive movement’s ideas?

    3. Could you expand on “knee-jerk anti-West (sic) posture”? (and does this refer to gay marriage in particular or is it just a general observation?)

    Many thanks …

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2012 2:07 pm

    Happy Birthday, TB, you bizarre Queenslandish yak rider, you!

    Many thanks, you strangely southern crossed hippy elephant spawner!

    (agree with your comments re shift work … my worst stint was 12 months permanent night shift starting with a crew of eight and building to 80 …

    I literally became a really frustrated and very angy, zombie at home … awful stuff with people creeping around during the day so I could sleep … digestion problems, social problems, relationship issues and then having to with the poor buggers on my crew at work suffering the same! I had about four blokes our of the 80 who loved it … the others were there (like me) just for the money!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    James, many happy returns, mate! How come we didn’t know! You’d think the Blogmasta would keep a fkn record after all this time. hey? 😉

  55. June 30, 2012 2:41 pm

    “1. Which “progressive movement” are you referring to?”
    – The broad left-liberal view of the world. As epitomised by their ABC.

    “2. & 3>”
    – No real appreciation of all the good things in Western Civilisation – too ideologically obsessed with all the terrible “isms” they see lurking under every white bed. Society would be a terrible place with no progressive thought and agitation, but today’s brand is all white-ant and no foundation. And I think the gay-marriage campaign is an excellent example of the sort of irrelevant fluff that fills the current progressive mind.

  56. June 30, 2012 5:15 pm

    “irrelevant fluff”

    Oh dear. Looks like we’ve got a live one.

  57. el gordo permalink
    June 30, 2012 5:20 pm

    😉

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2012 5:29 pm

    “irrelevant fluff”

    Oh dear. Looks like we’ve got a live one.

    Mmmm … “fluff”? … my old man used that term too (he was Labor tho’) … but it was supposed to indicate – “so there’s no substance to it” … therefore no need to argue the point …

    … did I tell you my old man was a patronising old sod … 🙂

  59. June 30, 2012 5:50 pm

    Perhaps there’s some merit to the “irrelevant fluff” argument.

    I mean WTF is the Government doing who can and can’t get married anyway.

    In a sensible world people should just be able to marry whoever the hell they like and the government of the day should just stay the hell out of it…

    All I want the government to do is provide essential services in return for taxpayers dollars.

    They really shouldn’t be wasting their time and our money interfering in other aspects of people’s lives that really has sweet FA to do with running the country.

    I think Victor is begining to grow on me…

  60. June 30, 2012 5:51 pm

    Has anyone seen ToSY….?

  61. June 30, 2012 6:00 pm

    “irrelevant fluff”

    There’s plenty of countries in the world where homosexuals are still put to death. That’s a serious human rights issue. Gay marriage is fluff in comparison. The problem is, activist groups, like bureacracies, become the ends rather than the means.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2012 6:05 pm

    In a sensible world people should just be able to marry whoever the hell they like and the government of the day should just stay the hell out of it…

    I think that was, Victor’s (tongue in cheek – fk there goes the pun again!), argument re polygamist and incestuous marriages too …

    I think Victor is begining to grow on me… LOL! If only he knew! 🙄

    ToSY seems to go walk about every once in a while (as we all do, I guess) … I don’t think he was “offended” by anyone this time tho’ …

  63. June 30, 2012 6:06 pm

    “They really shouldn’t be wasting their time and our money interfering in other aspects of people’s lives that really has sweet FA to do with running the country.”

    Now there’s a statement I can heartily agree with! Small government – or at least stopping the increasing growth of big government in all aspects of our lives – is the number one principle underlying all classical liberal hopes and beliefs.

  64. June 30, 2012 6:09 pm

    TB, my argument re polyamory and incest wasn’t tongue-in-cheek. I don’t the state has the right to tell a brother and sister not to shack up, if they’re consenting adults. Same for half-a-dozen swingers – if they want to shack up as a loving family unit, good luck to them. But I don’t think Marriage is a “right” they’re entitled to.

  65. June 30, 2012 6:10 pm

    “There’s plenty of countries in the world where homosexuals are still put to death. That’s a serious human rights issue. ”

    True. Here in Australia gay youth are killing themselves at dramatically higher rates than thier hetrosexual counterparts. That’s a serious human rights issue.

    “The problem is, activist groups, like bureacracies, become the ends rather than the means.”

    In some cases, yes, I completely agree. ACON being a prime example.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2012 6:13 pm

    There’s plenty of countries in the world where homosexuals …

    I agree but that applies to classical traditional liberals too …

    However, we live in Australia … and we often set the “new” standards … 8, 8, 8 was a classic and, in my younger days, a traditional way of working for the Robber Barons … then the Robber Barons got greedy … actually that’s not true … they started to fiddle with the members of Parliament … Robber Barons have always been greedy …

    … its those naughty Unions BOO! who are so-o-o-o-o bad – ask our own ex-union official, now traditional Liberal Party barracker … ToM (better known as Tom of Melbourne)

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2012 6:17 pm

    I don’t (sic) the state has the right to tell a brother and sister not to shack up

    I do … but for genetic reasons — strangely enough the reason for “legal” marriage (the call for “is there anyone who believes this couple should not wed?” is not just “tradiinal” – it has a real purpose) … genetic throwbacks from sibling couplings are real … and a serious problem in any society’s gene pool …

    Taswegia is a classic case … hey, sreb?

  68. June 30, 2012 6:26 pm

    So…TB, you’d have the state ban incestusous couples giving birth? Given the reasoning you give, the state should allow siblings to pair up if they were sterilised or promised to abort any accidental pregnancies.

    And what about “normal” couples where genetic tests show there’s a very significant chance they’ll produce defective offspring? Get the state to ban them forming a relationship?

  69. June 30, 2012 6:34 pm

    Indeed TB, indeed… 😉

  70. June 30, 2012 7:03 pm

    Sorry, Victor, but I still haven’t heard a reasonable rationalisation against gay marriage yet: and I am listening. I’m no more a numbskull than you are.

    This is likely where we diverge…”BUT HAVE RESPECT FOR OUR CULTURAL TRADITION.”…because I don’t have that sort of reverence for tradition.

    You may therefore pigeonhole me as some kind of shallow, knee-jerk anti-West poseur…but you’d be wrong. I’m not generally considered to be typical of or adherent to any limiting bracket.

    Cultural tradition be damned. It is possible to be ‘western’ without having to be ‘westerncentric’.

    I also don’t balk when confronted by slippery slope assertions.

    Personally, I could care less about consenting polygamy. TB, has already outlined why incest is taboo, apart from the fact that parent/offspring sexual interactions pose credible concerns regarding abuse of power/responsibility.

  71. June 30, 2012 7:23 pm

    I’m inclined to think that ANZAC DAY and the monarchy is “irrelevant fluff” but I generally dont express the sentiment (out of respect), perhaps I should take a leaf out of Victor’s book and just think “fuck em”…..?

  72. June 30, 2012 7:35 pm

    Trust me.

    ‘Fuck ’em’ is the way to go.

    Victor’s take on gay marriage is at least a refreshing change to the usual illogical religious knicker pissing, but I still don’t think it’s a convincing argument against.

    The monarchy is absolutely irrelevant fluff.

  73. June 30, 2012 7:38 pm

    Also, if these long standing traditions & institutions are so noteworthy & stolid, why the fuck are they so threatened by something so innocuous as gay marriage?

  74. June 30, 2012 8:02 pm

    “Personally, I could care less about consenting polygamy”

    Same here, and why should you? But then again, why should the govt? All I was saying is that it’s up to individuals concerned to decide how ot live their lives. Who are you (or me) to say what people should be doing in their personal arrangements – as long as they are not harming others, let ’em go. But you’re taking a strong State-backed position – Gay okay; polyamory, incest, not okay. If you were Muslim, you’d be telling me, polygamy okay, gay deserving of death… one man’s pork is another man’s taboo, so to speak.

    I think a secular liberal society can do better. reb put it best saying the govt should just get the hell out of it

  75. el gordo permalink
    June 30, 2012 8:40 pm

    ‘Who are you (or me) to say what people should be doing in their personal arrangements’

    Okay…so you would also be supporting drug law reform?

  76. June 30, 2012 9:39 pm

    Yes. But perhaps not right away. We have to change our general outlook on life first. Wake up to the reality that what we put down our throats or in our veins is OUR responsibility. We squib this point badly today. The Greens model of drug law reform is a nightmare scenario of state-coddled infantilism – huge bureaucracies educating us stupid with their well-meaning pap while carefully spooning out our correct dose of smack. Freedom aint easy and requires responsibility. Freedom means the govt aint to blame and won’t be standing by with a moist towlette when you have a bad trip.

  77. June 30, 2012 9:40 pm

    “Who are you (or me) to say what people should be doing in their personal arrangements – as long as they are not harming others, let ‘em go.”

    That is pretty much the way I travel through life.

    To me, preventing gay marriage is violating what you’ve said.

    The only area I can see where we are in dispute is in how much respect we think is owed to cultural tradition.
    For me that’s not much. Especially when that tradition encroaches on “what people should be doing in their personal arrangements – as long as they are not harming others”.

  78. June 30, 2012 9:48 pm

    “Okay…so you would also be supporting drug law reform?”

    Yes. But perhaps not right away. We have to change our general outlook on life first. Wake up to the reality that what we put down our throats or in our veins is OUR responsibility. We squib this point badly today. The Greens model of drug law reform is a nightmare scenario of state-coddled infantilism – huge bureaucracies educating us stupid with their well-meaning pap while carefully spooning out our correct dose of smack. Freedom aint easy and requires responsibility. Freedom means the govt aint to blame and won’t be standing by with a moist towlette when you have a bad trip.

  79. el gordo permalink
    June 30, 2012 9:56 pm

    The Opposition leader goes on the offensive with infrastructure…tons more votes for the winning team. If they keep this up it will be a one party state.

    ‘In a keynote speech to the Liberal Party federal council meeting in Melbourne today, Mr Abbott promised $4 billion of infrastructure spending in New South Wales, Victoria and Queensland, with further projects to come and an end to what he slammed as “analysis paralysis” that stopped governments from acting on the problems plaguing Australians.’

  80. JAWS permalink
    June 30, 2012 10:19 pm

    Is there perhaps a way of making a hell of a lot of money out of gay marriages

    That makes it ok !

    Total legit immediately

    Fuck yeah. !

  81. JAWS permalink
    June 30, 2012 10:22 pm

    Tour de France starts

    Who is watching and what time does the race start rather than the tv ?

    Anyone ?

  82. JAWS permalink
    June 30, 2012 10:25 pm

    Seems you and me eg

    In havin a tas Pinot with a James squire chaser watching s bs

  83. June 30, 2012 10:38 pm

    The problem is, activist groups, like bureacracies, become the ends rather than the means.

    And as we all know, nothing would change without them, it takes protest and activism to drive force progressive change. The institutions behind power and control don’t ever give any of it up without a shitfight. The activists raise public awareness and then the public demands change.

    What are parliamentary lobbyists if not activists for self interest?

    Has anyone seen ToSY….?

    he seems to have turned into victor 😆

  84. June 30, 2012 11:06 pm

    Tour de France starts

    Who is watching and what time does the race start rather than the tv ?

    Anyone ?

    I watch it jaws, more aussies this year too. Better pace yourself, have to go a long time without much sleep!
    .

  85. July 1, 2012 8:04 am

    My posts wouldn’t go through last night. All that gold, forever lost in a cyber void! Maybe it was the carbon tax? Maybe I was put in the same sin bin as this “ToSY” character…

  86. July 1, 2012 8:33 am

    Sorry Victor, they got caught in the spam filter I have released them now, for other folk please scroll up to 9.48pm.

  87. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 8:34 am

    ‘…forever lost in a cyber void!’

    The blog master doesn’t have a sin bin and the place is troll free. Don’t be put off.

  88. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 8:41 am

    ‘Freedom aint easy and requires responsibility.’ Amen to that.

    TB once remarked that humour also comes with a measure of personal responsibility, but I’m not sure about that.

  89. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 9:10 am

    Victor my colleagues here are not too interested in this debate, so I’ll just leave this link from Andrew Elder. It’s a politically rational viewpoint.

    http://reasonablegrounds.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/on-drugs.html

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2012 2:08 pm

    The government must be getting lots of money from this but they still cannot balance the budget

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/resources-export-earnings-to-hit-new-record-high-20120627-211xx.html

    Falling commodity prices will not prevent resources export earnings hitting a new record $209 billion in the coming financial year, the official forecaster says.

    The Bureau of Resources and Energy Economics left its forecasts largely unchanged today, in contrast to heavy falls in mining share prices in recent months.

  91. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 2:52 pm

    “Every coalition member will sign a blood oath to get rid of this tax,” said Barnaby Joyce.

  92. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 3:04 pm

    Princess Julia said after years of deceit on pricing carbon, “we have got this done”.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2012 5:12 pm

    TB once remarked that humour also comes with a measure of personal responsibility …

    I did? In what context, egg … seeing that I’m now chronologically gifted … 😉

  94. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 5:37 pm

    It was some time back when reb was being particularly horrid and your barb was directed at him.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2012 5:50 pm

    Me? A barb at Jummy! Och nae …

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2012 5:50 pm

    Jummy? Being horrid? Och, nae!

  97. July 1, 2012 6:36 pm

    “reb was being particularly horrid ”

    Me? “horrid…..?”

    Oh heaven forbid.

  98. el gordo permalink
    July 1, 2012 6:38 pm

    You have your moments, but we can’t help liking you.

  99. July 1, 2012 10:12 pm

    “this link from Andrew Elder”

    el gordo, I think if it was a choice between Big Govt enforcing prohibition and Big Govt trying to lovingly scoop legal drugs up in its big bureacratic health tentacles, I’d choose the former. At least it’s less infantilising. The sort of responsibility that goes with real individual freedom just doesn’t exist today (that article you linked takes it as a given that legal drugs becomes something the state has to manage) – which may be why the debate doesn’t generate much interest.

  100. el gordo permalink
    July 2, 2012 10:08 am

    Yeah, sounds reasonable. Let’s continue with prohibition, even if it marginalises a sub group…what harm in that?

    Where’s ToSY?

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2012 10:33 am

    Another example of the Robber Bankers Barons at work play

    http://uk.reuters.com/

    They just keep coming … I like the “touch” that the “regulators” in the US and UK have fined Barclays £450 million …

    er, the banks will simply cream their customers (again!) …

    Question? Who regulates the regulators … if theu had been doing their “job” in the 1990’s we wouldn’t be in this fkn mess today!

  102. July 2, 2012 11:25 am

    The sort of responsibility that goes with real individual freedom just doesn’t exist today (that article you linked takes it as a given that legal drugs becomes something the state has to manage) – which may be why the debate doesn’t generate much interest.

    It has a lot of interest where it matters, where the contact is now, in the health and policing areas. So why keep reform off the agenda because your desired freedom doesn’t exist? It may never come about, but it would be better than what exists now.
    The state manages alcohol and tobacco already [taxing & illegal until 18yrs], why wouldn’t it manage drug reform? It is the state that wants to see safe injecting rooms and get drug offenders out of jail and into harm minimisation programs, treating it as a health issue [which it is]. It is conservatives who don’t want reform, want to keep jailing kids and keep drugs illegal – where’s any individual freedom in that?.

  103. July 3, 2012 2:05 am

    So, legalise drugs, then launch an all out govt propaganda assault to try to stop people using them. We’re desperately trying to make tobacco illegal in all but name – stigmatise it as shameful, filthy, sick, subhuman. You really want to go down that communal path with drugs?

    Turning people from outlaws into invalids is NOT progress. And it sure as hell aint freedom.

  104. public toilet permalink
    July 3, 2012 7:01 am

    Smell this smell…

  105. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 3, 2012 7:05 am

    Who farted?

  106. el gordo permalink
    July 3, 2012 8:38 am

    Non weed smokers hate the stench, it brings on a mixture of fear and loathing.

  107. el gordo permalink
    July 3, 2012 8:48 am

    Got my concession card yesterday, TB. Among other things I get to travel to Bourke for next to nothing.

  108. July 3, 2012 1:01 pm

    So, legalise drugs, then launch an all out govt propaganda assault to try to stop people using them. We’re desperately trying to make tobacco illegal in all but name – stigmatise it as shameful, filthy, sick, subhuman

    Turning drug users into criminals and jailing them isn’t stigmatising, making them feel shameful, filthy, sick, subhuman?

    What a difference a name makes – criminal or decent law obeying citizen. That’s the difference between the way alcohol/ciggie users and drug users are treated.

  109. July 3, 2012 2:02 pm

    “Turning drug users into criminals and jailing them isn’t stigmatising, making them feel shameful, filthy, sick, subhuman?”

    Sure it is – I’m not defending prohibition, just saying the current Left wing alternative is no better and eventually, in the long term, worse. A bloated bureaucracy wants its citizens to become “patients” and “victims” in need of tender governmental care – that’s how drug users will be defined – it’s a very insidious form of State control – a sick societal co-dependence develops – the erosion of individual liberty goes far deeper this way. That’s why the Greens are the main backers of this sort of reform.

  110. 2 Salty permalink
    July 3, 2012 10:06 pm

    “Graphene. It can be stronger than steel and thinner than paper. It can generate electricity when struck by light. It can be used in thin, flexible supercapacitors that are up to 20 times more powerful than the ones we use right now and can be made in a DVD burner. It’s already got an impressive track record, but does it have any more tricks up its sleeve? Apparently, yes. According to researchers at MIT, graphene could also increase the efficicency of desalination by two or three orders of magnitude. Seriously, what can’t this stuff do?”

    http://www.geekosystem.com/graphene-desalination/

  111. JAWS permalink
    July 4, 2012 11:14 pm

    The Barclays scandal gets bigger and bigger in the UK.

    I have been banginging on the drum for ages that we need to separate the cnuts in the investment bank area from the savings banks area

    Until then just take it up the arse from whatever angle that most pleases you.

  112. July 5, 2012 9:35 am

    Ha Ha!

    I caught the tram to work this morning and I didn’t buy a ticket…

    Living on the edge!

  113. July 5, 2012 9:52 am

    Reb, watch out for the inspectors..usually identifiable by being 6′ 4″ and about that around the girth. 😉

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 9:59 am

    Bob Katter wants Nth Queensland to be its own state
    MAVERICK Independent MP Bob Katter has called for North Queensland to become a state in its own right after a population boom in Cairns and Townsville.

    The combined population of 514,046 for the Townsville and Cairns regions is ahead of Tasmania’s 510,519. Kennedy MP Bob Katter says the news “screams out for a separate state”, while business leaders say it’s time the two reions used their combined muscle to lobby for more government resources and funding.

    “I have long argued for (a separate state) north from Rockhampton,” Mr Katter told the Townsville Bulletin.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/bob-katter-wants-nth-queensland-to-be-its-own-state/story-fncynjr2-1226417426809

    I think this is an excellent idea, in fact I think we should go further, make it a separate country.

    If the civilised parts of the country could offload the rabble there would be a far higher average IQ, government policies would not have to accommodate rednecks and therefore would have a sense of decorum.

    Hence, offload WA and as much of Queensland* as possible.

    *Though I quite like the surf at Noosa, so perhaps that could be separate principality, it’s mainly full of Victorians anyway. Don’t want the Gold Coast, even though that’s mainly full of Victorians, they’re bogan ones.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 10:20 am

    ToSY … thanks for the info on graphene … just been surfin’ the web … looks like the next gen solar panels … (just ordered another 3Kw, to add to my 1Kw system total 4Kw) …

  116. JAWS permalink
    July 5, 2012 10:57 am

    Anything that’s 1 atom thick must be seriously sharp.

    Keep out of Reach of Small Children

  117. JAWS permalink
    July 5, 2012 3:59 pm

    Dow Jones

    “Former Qantas Management Working On Qantas Bid – Report

    05/07/2012 03:35PM AEST

    A group of wealthy individuals, including former Qantas Airways Ltd. (QAN.AU) management, is working on forming a syndicate to make an offer for the company, the Australian Financial Review reported Thursday, without saying where it got the information.

    The newspaper reports that the syndicate has recently been testing lenders for debt financing. A Qantas spokeswoman declined to comment on the reports. Qantas shares were up 0.2% at A$1.10 early Thursday. “

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:13 pm

    That would be good for Qantas.

    I hope all those who talked down a great airline are now happy that the (lowly unionised) Virgin has taken over as the dominant domestic carrier.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:16 pm

    I hope all those who talked down a great airline are now happy that the (lowly unionised) Virgin has taken over as the dominant domestic carrier.

    Perhaps the highly salaried Mr Joyce should be offered a job at Virgin and QANTAS would be back to number one in no time! 😉

  120. JAWS permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:19 pm

    A Dominant Domestic Virgin……………..!

    Sigh………!

  121. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:35 pm

    Gina has sold 86 million shares in Fairfax, can’t say they wern’t warned.

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:49 pm

    Joyce did a great job in reform.

    But Qantas is a traditional airline, so it is struggling. Years of tradition (and poor work practices) high costs driven by the dead hand of unions.

    Meanwhile, Virgin has no commitment to employing Australian labour, no commitment to engineering training. It’s a shelf company, and doesn’t deserve to succeed.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:52 pm

    Joyce did a great job in reform.

    No, he didn’t otherwise it would be No 1 …

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 5:19 pm

    They’re up against an opponent who ties in with a range of low cost overseas airlines.

    But Virgin has no commitment to Australia. No aircraft servicing or heavy maintenance, no training.

    It’s shonky.

    While Qantas has to put up with the very worst of Australian unionism, hell bent on preserving crap like traditional union coverage, and practices, rather than trying to save an icon.

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 5:23 pm

    🙄

  126. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 5:46 pm

    ‘More than 86.5 million shares in Fairfax changed hands in a special crossing at the close of trade this afternoon, at 58 cents a share.

    ‘The statement renewed Mrs Rinehart’s call for two seats on the board of Fairfax plus the appointment of an independent director, but said she was not seeking control of the board.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/gina-rinehart-lowers-stake-in-fairfax-20120705-21jfw.html#ixzz1zjRuJlc1

  127. July 5, 2012 5:50 pm

    I like virgin, the passengers are treated better compared to qantas and jetstar (swore I’d never fly jetstar again). Perhaps joyce instead of fighting his own work force, could have worked on improving customer relations, like treating their paying customers a bit decently, not like they have to hold their noses to let you fly with them. The workforce attitude is also a reflection of what is happening in the company itself. People didn’t mind paying more for qantas to support an australian icon when the customer service was still a priority, but not when you are treated like shit and the ‘quality’ service is no longer.

    Seems qantas is only for the likes of business, public servants and pollies (people who don’t pay the fare from their own pockets) who think hanging out at the qantas club makes them exclusive and special.

  128. July 5, 2012 6:00 pm

    ‘The statement renewed Mrs Rinehart’s call for two seats on the board of Fairfax plus the appointment of an independent director, but said she was not seeking control of the board.’

    Nah, let her go, her brand of ‘help’ is not wanted by the readership or the management. She can pay lots more money if she really wants to take over fairfax, not trying to do it on the cheap or by insisting that her ‘message’ be broadcast to the nation.

    No-one wants to buy what you’re selling Gina nutjob, stick to iron ore and try to be happy with your success in life.

  129. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 6:08 pm

    Economic reality will bring them to their senses sooner or later…Gina plays hard ball.

    http://hfgapps.hubb.com/asxtools/Charts.aspx?asxCode=FXJ&chartType=3&volumeInd=9&TimeFrame=D6

  130. July 5, 2012 6:38 pm

    “trying to save an icon”

    LOL….

    An “icon” of what, exactly – “rude, condescending service…?”

    I’ve just booked my parents flights for international travel, and Qantas didn’t even cross my mind.

    So what is this “icon” that you speak of…?

    Qantas is now just the Australian equivalent of British Airways….

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 6:50 pm

    I’m flying to Taswegia on Autralia’s No.1 airline … full economy (the Business Class days are gone I’m afraid) … boy, did I go into freefall after I retired … Gold to Bronze in less than six months! I went from Bronze to Gold in three months (just flying Queensland!)

    I’ve flown Jetstar once – transferred from QANTAS because of a delay! Getting a seat was like a a fkn State of Origin scrum! (Did I mention that Queensland won last night?) Then I had to buy a cup of fkn coffee – I thought I was back on Delta, in the States!

    Joyce fkn Joyce – wasn’t he the DH who wanted to charge lower fares for people who were standing, yep STANDING! … flying from Ireland to England on Aer Lingus?

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 6:59 pm

    ”people didn’t mind paying more for qantas to support an australian icon when the customer service was still a priority, but not when you are treated like shit and the ‘quality’ service is no longer.

    A lot of people don’t understand just how fortunate they are to work for Qantas. They don’t appreciate good wages and conditions, the outstanding discounted travel benefits…they take it all for granted.

    Or worse, they seek to milk it.

    Existing employees should check with former Ansett people whether they regret the demise their former employer.

  133. July 5, 2012 7:08 pm

    “A lot of people don’t understand just how fortunate they are to work for Qantas”

    Perhaps.

    But a lot of CUSTOMERS have realised just how UNFORTUNATE they have been to fly with Qantas.

    The reality is that Qantas has failed to keep up with the service levels offered by superiors carriers like Cathay, SIA and Malaysia Airlines, and now they’re finding that “G’day Mate” doesn’t quite “cut it” as far as the customer experience goes.

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 7:44 pm

    A lot of Qantas employees just don’t get it. They’re resentful about their customers, they prefer to gossip rather than provide attention to the person at their counter.

    It’s a remnant of the public service tradition of Qantas, which is protected and reinforced by the high rate of unionism (which stymies proper disciplinary consequences of poor behaviour).

    They’re killing Qantas.

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 7:45 pm

    They don’t appreciate good wages and conditions, the outstanding discounted travel benefits…they take it all for granted.

    er, a mate of mine just “retired” from QANTAS after 30 years, following a serious heart incident (it stopped for about ten minutes) … his manager rang him up at his home and told him he had a great work ethic and they would miss him … my mate hit the roof … he had never spoken to him before, never been into the workplace!

    As for discounted flights … he can’t use them but his wife and daughter can (are in fact right now in the USofA) … after 30 years he has four “world travel” flights BUT they are stand-by seats …. how fkn generous …

    … oh and don’t get me started on the rigamarole he had to go through to get his super paid out … I know who does the fkn MILKING!

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 7:56 pm

    I think your mate is a bit of a whinger TB. After 30 years service he will be entitled to purchase business class seats, and as that’s never full, being placed on standby is hardly an issue.

    He can purchase a return business class ticket to the UK for about $700.

    People in Qantas know all the heavily booked periods, its their industry, they avoid travel at peak times.

    Not to mention that they also get seats with other airlines at 10% of the price (as a backup), which they can refund if not used. Qantas people always have various options for their travel, and it’s a lot cheaper than any one else pays.

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 8:21 pm

    A WHINGER! FMD …

    Hw worked for them for THIRTY YEARS … he was seriouslly ill for over six months … his manager didn’t even contact him!

    His family had to wait for two days for flights out ON STAND-BY economy …

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2012 8:26 pm

    “ON STAND-BY economy …”

    I bet he could have purchased business class seats – return to Europe for about $700, but he probably chose to save a few dollars and only bought economy.

  139. July 5, 2012 9:06 pm

    😯

  140. Tony permalink
    July 5, 2012 10:46 pm

    Hypocrisy watch . . .

    ‘The same people who excoriated Bush’s war on terror are letting Obama do as he pleases’

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/liberals-ignore-obama-guantanamos-article-1.1106633#ixzz1zkfakxMM

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 8:06 am

    FYI, ToM, the guy has spent a rotating shift “career” putting meals on fkn planes – how much money do you think he earned doing that!

    … and BTW he doesn’t like flying! Four flights for 30 years service GMAB … you really have no idea about what really happens in a large workplace/force at the bottom end.

    Ex-union alright – up at the top end of town …

  142. July 6, 2012 9:49 am

    “Hypocrisy watch”

    What an excellent title for a ‘dedicated section” (like CO2 And You)..!

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2012 10:03 am

    I think TB that employees with Qantas get round the world business class trips, fully booked as part of their long service leave.

    With service they get “standby” business class, which isn’t really standby because all the seats in business class are rarely full.

    How many overseas holidays does he need each year?

    People in Qantas always turn their noses up at their travel benefits, they get grumpy about servicing customers, they’re in an artificial, protected workplace.

  144. July 6, 2012 10:07 am

    I think ‘Hypocrisy Watch’ is a great idea for a dedicated section!

    I’m sure both ‘sides’ could contribute to the spirit of that in countless ways.

    Tony is right about Obama, btw.

  145. JAWS permalink
    July 6, 2012 10:43 am

    What the Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark !

    They just noticed ?

    Dow Jones

    EUROPE NEEDS A FINANCE MINISTER

    06/07/2012 03:52AM AEST

    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble says he believes Europe needs a finance minister to ensure a common fiscal policy.

    “We have put in place a monetary policy with the European Central Bank. Monetary policy should have a correspondence with a common fiscal policy,” Schaeuble said in an interview with a German radio station on Thursday.

    “That is the reason why we have need of a parliament, a government and something corresponding to a finance minister.”

    Creating a eurozone finance minister has been a recurrent issue for debate among the 17 nations that share the euro, and will likely move back to the front burner after agreement at a summit last week to pursue deeper integration to solve the massive debt crisis.

    Schaeuble said national parliaments were going to need to give up some of their power over the purse strings.

    “The current situation in which all decisions with a budgetary effect should be justified before national parliaments can’t last in the long term,” he said, calling for a stronger role for the European Parliament.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 11:05 am

    People in Qantas always turn their noses up at their travel benefits, they get grumpy about servicing customers, they’re in an artificial, protected workplace.

    Sorry, Mr Joyce, I thought I was discussing the subject with ToM … 🙂

  147. JAWS permalink
    July 6, 2012 11:38 am

    How amusing !

    I wonder if this will spark an outcry ?

    Just opened my Inbox to be greeted with the usual monthly updates from the Australian Taxation Office on varying subjects one of which was titled

    “ATO Crackdown on Tax Avoidance Amongst Certain Groups”

    It was written completely in Chinese.

    There is no English version in my Inbox or on their Website.

  148. July 6, 2012 11:59 am

    “It was written completely in Chinese.”

    So, did it really say…

    “ATO Clackdown on Rax Avoirrance Arrong Cerrain Gloups”

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 12:00 pm

    Ah, you lead, Chinee, Warry? 😡

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 12:01 pm

    Snap, Jummy! 😆

  151. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 6, 2012 12:21 pm

    Not just stinking hypocrites, the ALP pollies who couldn’t talk about Thomson while he was being investigated piled on to Ashby even while the Slipper case was proceeding. Now the judge has ruled accordingly:

    “You have raised the stakes, now in raising the stakes you cannot just pull back a bit . . . You don’t know how somebody might use that information in a criminal investigation,” Justice Rares told Mr Slipper’s lawyer David Chin.

    Justice Rares said the counter allegations by Mr Slipper and ministers of a criminal conspiracy meant it would almost be impossible for Mr Ashby to be compelled to file a statement in response to the abuse of process claim.

    “Your client and one of the senior ministers in the press is reported to make similar allegations . . . Having put this on the table why should I force Mr Ashby to do something that may incriminate him.”

    Take a bow Sleazy Albanese – dumb as dogshit and a mongrel of a human being. Someone please put this spluttering cunt out of his misery.

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2012 12:25 pm

    True, they couldn’t bring themselves to even mention Thomson and his squalid, unprincipled, sleazy behaviour, even when FWA found against him.

    But somehow, Ashby turned himself into target by lodging a claim for harassment.

  153. JAWS permalink
    July 6, 2012 3:39 pm

    Holy Shit

    Just heard on the radio that the Australians for a Constitutional Monarchy are going friggin’ ballistic because it seems hundreds of easily influenced teenage girl guides collectively went into their Facebook pages last night and “defriended” The Queen and God.

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 3:51 pm

    LOL! Yep I saw that last night, Wally … welcome to the 21st Century … fkn queens are the one’s wot want to get married … let the Queen and God defend themfknselves …

  155. July 6, 2012 4:13 pm

    I reckon it’s great that the Girl Guides have shown the queen & the magic sky wizard the door!

    Traditionalists (read, pantswetterz) will blanche at the very prospect! Sux to be them, lucky that natural attrition is doing a good job of erasing their bloodlines.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 4:37 pm

    … lucky that natural attrition is doing a good job of erasing their bloodlines.

    Bit bloody slow for me … have you noticed that most of the Pommie “bluebloods” have a speech impediment … sure sign of inbreeding …

  157. July 6, 2012 5:30 pm

    Yes, TB, the wheel grinds slowly…but were we to help it along we may have the term ‘genocidal maniacs’ applied to us. 😉

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 5:52 pm

    You have a problem with that, mein Fuhrer? 🙂

  159. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 7:02 pm

    Getting back to sreb’s post…

    ‘Who does she think she is, this “Juliar person” and what does she want from us?

    ‘How did these so-called “politicians” get it so wrong? Yes they did.’

    This Julia person is unfit to be PM, not because of her background with the communists or her close association with characters of ill repute during her legal years. In essence, she has policy failures all over the place.

    Her idealism is untempered by economic or political realities, so she will pass into history as a failed politician. It has been an embarrassment on so many levels and I cannot for the life of me understand why the backbench don’t revolt.

    This minority government has been a disaster from beginning to end and deserve to be booted.

  160. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 7:04 pm

    By the way TB I got my pension and I’m laffin’.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2012 7:08 pm

    Just to repeat the points made by the judge hearing the Slipper case (from SB)

    ““You have raised the stakes, now in raising the stakes you cannot just pull back a bit . . . You don’t know how somebody might use that information in a criminal investigation,” Justice Rares told Mr Slipper’s lawyer David Chin.

    Justice Rares said the counter allegations by Mr Slipper and ministers of a criminal conspiracy meant it would almost be impossible for Mr Ashby to be compelled to file a statement in response to the abuse of process claim.

    “Your client and one of the senior ministers in the press is reported to make similar allegations . . . Having put this on the table why should I force Mr Ashby to do something that may incriminate him.”

    The government has engaged in stupid sleazy commentary, and deserve this.

  162. Tony permalink
    July 6, 2012 9:38 pm

    😯

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    July 6, 2012 9:41 pm

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    July 6, 2012 10:01 pm

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    July 6, 2012 10:11 pm

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    July 6, 2012 10:36 pm

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    July 6, 2012 10:37 pm

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    July 6, 2012 10:49 pm

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    July 6, 2012 11:07 pm

  170. el gordo permalink
    July 7, 2012 8:59 am

    Nice to start the day with a few good laughs…tah ToSY.

    —————

    MORE GOOD NOOZE

    Peter Van Onselen in the Oz.

    ‘LABOR should consider preferencing the Greens last at the federal election, the party’s NSW secretary Sam Dastyari says in a declaration of war on Julia Gillard’s alliance partner made without consulting the Prime Minister.

    ‘Mr Dastyari, who described the Greens as “extremists not unlike One Nation”, said Labor must “stop treating them like they are part of our family … Where it is in the Labor Party’s interest to do so, we should consider placing (the Greens) last – just like we did with One Nation,” he said.’

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2012 10:00 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/australia-we-need-to-talk-about-kevin-hes-still-here-to-help-says-therese-20120706-21mom.html

    THERESE Rein has not ruled out her husband, former prime minister Kevin Rudd, returning to the Labor leadership under circumstances where it might contribute to the ”national good”.

    When Mrs Rudd is getting front page treatment about a possible return of her hubby, it’s certain that moves are being made.

    Next we’ll have Hyacinth the Hairdresser in a photo opportunity talking about his love for Julia.

    Go Kev!

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2012 1:58 pm

    By the way TB I got my pension and I’m laffin’.

    Me too, egg … fk ’em all, I say!

    We held off my birfday party so my son in law could sit around the fire with us (his request!) … so tonight we broke with tradition … generally only family … invited some friends … ’cause the wanted to come to my Pensioner Party …

    I reckon with all us BB’s around we should form a PP and stick it up ’em all!

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2012 1:59 pm

    BTW my son in law came back from ten weeks in Saudi Arabia yesterday … goes back in 12 days …

  174. el gordo permalink
    July 7, 2012 2:52 pm

    ‘…we should form a PP and stick it up ‘em all!’

    Tentatively ….The Grumpys.

  175. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2012 4:18 pm

    When Mrs Rudd is getting front page treatment about a possible return of her hubby, it’s certain that it’s a newspoll weekend 😉

  176. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2012 4:19 pm

    The government has engaged in stupid sleazy commentary, and deserve this.

    Just to be clear, and to ensure you are not deliberatley attempting to misrepresent the issue here, Slipper and the C’wealth used these allegations in their defense of the charges. The minister simply repeated these to the media. They were not making the allegations, the allegations were made in court, by the defendants.

    Albanese may have pushed the envelope, but the die was cast once the matter was initially raised in court as their defense. If Albo had said nothing, the result would have been the same.

    Considering the way this had unfolded from the start, with the allegations released in the media before it had even appeared before a judge, crying about a minister repeating about what has already been used in a court as a defense is sounding prety vapid.

    The moment the accused used a criminal charge against the accuser as his defense in a civil matter, the fan was coated. Hence, ashby (and any associated with him) have gone deathly quiet.

    Yet apparently it is the government who deserve this.

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2012 4:43 pm

    I see, apparently it’s appropriate for the government and a range of ministers to provide a running commentary about a case before the Federal Court.

    I wonder whether that’s a policy they consistently apply.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, the judge hearing the case sates that he’s unwilling to have Ashby file a statement because of the behaviour of a minister.
    —————–
    It’s great that Mrs Rudd is so keen to support her hubby.

    Hyacinth will be livid, he’ll be out this week in front of the camera!

  178. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2012 5:30 pm

    I don’t think that the Government have said anything about commenting on what is on the public record. Their issue was with people makng the assumption of guilt or otherwise. And yet, you are quite happy to misrepresent what a judge has said in an ongoing case

  179. July 7, 2012 6:00 pm

    “Their issue was with people makng the assumption of guilt or otherwise.”

    Is that a fact…

    Do you mean like when Julia Gillard said that Julian Assange was guilty of acting illegally, even before he had been charged with anything…?

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2012 6:05 pm

    So when Albanese likened Ashby’s case to Watergate, he was just repeating the official line?
    ———-
    But they couldn’t bring themselves to comment on Thomson, though Julia kicked him out of the party for some reason. Probably because she sill had “complete confidence” in him.

  181. Tom R permalink
    July 7, 2012 6:44 pm

    <i.when Julia Gillard said that Julian Assange was guilty of acting illegally

    Yes, a stupid thing to say, and rightly ridiculed at the time.

    But they couldn’t bring themselves to comment on Thomson

    Perhaps because there was nothing for them to say about Thomson. Meanwhile, our media and their opposition decided to ‘step over the line’

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2012 10:23 pm

    “Meanwhile, our media and their opposition decided to ‘step over the line’

    What???

    Our PM is so weak willed that she simply reacted to some facts the media published?

  183. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 7:47 am

    Er, allegations yomm, allegations. I wonder how many other uneducated readers made the same mistake. And, they were published across every front page in the counbntry, before it had even landed in front of a judge

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2012/04/21/putting-the-boot-into-a-slipper/

  184. July 8, 2012 8:25 am

    Check this out. If there was ever any doubt that Tom Cruise is a raving nutter, this video should remove it….

    http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

  185. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 9:24 am

    Did I mention that Christine Milne is a ratbag…

    “Labor party people across the country will be horrified to think that if they vote for Labor they don’t know if they will be electing a coalition person or a Family First person,” she told reporters in Adelaide.

    “What it shows is the faceless men in the Labor party do not have any principle any more, or any idea of what Labor stands for other than winning office. It’s not about policy; it’s not about the best interests of the country.”

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 9:35 am

    “allegations”

    Not according to FWA. They’re independent findings and Thomson had the opportunity to answer them.

  187. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 9:50 am

    i did post here ealrier how the major ‘allegations’ within those ‘finding’ were debunked the day they were released.

    Doesn’t stop the sleaze from coming though

    Thomson received secret payment of $160,000 after he left HSU

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-received-secret-payment-of-160000-after-he-left-hsu-20120419-1xa41.html#ixzz1zyl3AnYl

    Oops, no he didn’t

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/hsu_says_no_defamation_payment_to_C672ckcB9gFe4ONfYrE3aJ

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 10:02 am

    So Gillard is so weak willed that she dismissed Thomson on the basis of spurious allegations!

    2 Down 178 to go.

  189. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 10:04 am

    …and banned at CW for testing Min’s volte-face on asylum seekers.

    Strange.

  190. July 8, 2012 10:36 am

    “banned at CW for testing Min’s volte-face on asylum seekers…”

    Yes, well no surprises there….

    The administrators over there don’t handle their hypocrisy being exposed particularly well..

    And the fact that so many of them now vehemently defend what they once condemned quite vocally in the Howard govt simply because it’s now being extolled by “their Julia” is perhaps the most glaringly obvious example.

  191. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 10:54 am

    Why do you insist on misrepresenting peoples views reb?

  192. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:03 am

    I see a gauntlet on the floor.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:04 am

    Yes. I made a comment at CW that the very last option should be to send asylum seekers off shore, and suggested several options that might be preferred first. One was a genuine program of informing the boat crews about the consequences of people smuggling, lengthy gaol sentences, away from families etc

    This was dismissed and derided. But within a couple of days it was the program that was announced by the leaders of Indonesia and Australia.

    They hate it when their judgment is exposed as being so hypocritical, partisan and poor.

    At Café Whispers, being correct leads to being banned.

  194. July 8, 2012 11:08 am

    I fail to see where I’m misrepresenting people’s views Tom.

    The default position over there is that Gillard is beyond reproach, regardless of example after example after example of Gillard espousing the same sort of politics that we witnessed under Howard.

    There might be the occasional admission that she might’ve done more on “marriage equality” or whatever, but then the dialogue just returns to the default position.

    Certain groups of people don’t appreciate this being pointed out to them, and simply resort to name calling like “troll” etc which is all very amusing etc.

    Meanwhile “the rest of Australia” has wisened up to the Gillard con job and recognise that she’s just as much of a self-serving liar and a fraud as anyone else in the Liberal party.

    But the cheer squad certainly has its entertainment value despite this… 🙂

  195. July 8, 2012 11:16 am

    “At Café Whispers, being correct leads to being banned.”

    only if “being correct” confirms their poor judgement I suspect… 😉

    Like I said, they don’t take kindly to having their hypocrisy exposed…

    Look at the way they all turned on Andrew Wilkie. Apparantly it was “his fault” for simply wanting to hold Gillard to the deal that she promised him.

    Now they hate him, along with all the “hate media” like Crikey etc… 🙄

  196. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:18 am

    ‘At Café Whispers, being correct leads to being banned.’

    Or in my case, self banned….not wishing to be caught on the wrong side of history.

  197. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:19 am

    There has been much debate about the current legislation, as compared with howards. If you cannot determine the core differences, then god help you.

    I know, for me, senator Cameron summed it up best. Perhaps his words will help

    because the Malaysian approach is an approach that the UNHCR have had a look at, that the UNHCR were involved in, that the UNHCR see as a step forward to what the real solution in this region is: a proper regional approach to dealing with refugees and displaced persons.

    That is the situation the UNHCR see. They and others argue that Malaysia do a lot of heavy lifting in terms of refugees. They do far more heavy lifting than us—there are about 1.2 million displaced people, I think, in Malaysia. But what the UNHCR say is that the implementation of the Malaysian guidelines contain important protections and safeguards. Those include respect for the principle of non-refoulement. Non-refoulement is simply not sending people back to where they could be tried and killed or subjected to the death penalty. They say the principle of family unity and the best interests of the child are in this agreement; that humane reception conditions, including protections against arbitrary detention are there; that the lawful status to remain in Malaysia until a durable solution is found is there; and the ability to receive education, access to health care and a right to employment are there. There will be no employment on Nauru. They will be there, with all that that barren rock provides. What is it about Nauru that is better than Malaysia? Absolutely nothing. So the UNHCR see some hope that this could lead to a more lasting solution.

    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/asylum-seekers-debate-doug-camerons-statement/

    Note his emphasis on the UNHCR.

  198. July 8, 2012 11:27 am

    So Doug Cameron’s changed his mind…

    Relevance factor….?

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:32 am

    So Doug Cameron has changed his mind. Fine. So has Min.

    I haven’t.

    But arguing my case, suggesting an alternative to the “send them off shore” mantra, has caused them to ban me.

    They cannot handle testing of the volte-face, or hypocrisy. They find it easier to ban than reply with coherence/reason, they (again) prefer to choose their own debating opponents.

    On the other hand, I post exactly the same type of commentary at TPS, they either ignore me (which is entirely their right), or argue the case, which is also their right.

  200. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:33 am

    😯

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:39 am

    Tom R though plays it safe. He really hasn’t identified his own policy preference.

  202. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:40 am

    He really hasn’t identified his own policy preference.

    I have, on many occassions.

    The fact that you weren’t paying attention isn’t my fault.

  203. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:42 am

    The Pacific Solution worked in that it stopped boats coming, the present arrangement has failed miserably.

    ‘There will be no employment on Nauru,’ said senator Cameron.

    No, but its a perfect spot to teach them a trade in preparation for moving to a larger island further south.

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 11:59 am

    They don’t like being tested at Café Whispers. They like being untested. That’s why they welcome people like Scaper, and ban those who will provide genuine debate.
    ————–
    Tom R, perhaps you would post a link that identifies your position on asylum seekers. I’ve seen you comment on the “nuance” between Malaysia and Nauru. I’ve also seen you defend the right of people to change their minds.

    But I’ve not seen you specifically advocate a position.

  205. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:12 pm

    Perhaps you will address some of the queries I have aimed at you before I bother doing your research for you.

    Pretty ballsy of a guy who ‘doesn’t do links’ to ask for one themselves.

  206. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:19 pm

    In a sentence TomR, where do you stand on the asylum seeker issue? We can do without links, thanx in anticipation.

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:24 pm

    I always address questions.

    What is it you think I haven’t addressed?
    ————–
    Meanwhile the policy of promoting only vacuous opposition continues at Cafe Whispers.

  208. July 8, 2012 12:28 pm

    ToM, the only vacuous comments have come from yourself..boorish reruns and demands for attention.

    Did you bother to read.. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/cast-adrift-by-political-injustice-20120707-21noy.html#ixzz1zytDKxjX

    I’ll bet that you didn’t.

  209. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:36 pm

    Considering I already know yomms (empty) answer, I’ll just drop these in to help illuminate how vapid your comments are

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/turn-back-the-boats/#comment-86534

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/turn-back-the-boats/#comment-86521

    And, don’t bother ‘engaging in debate’ over this. You had your chance there. You ignored it then, I assume you will again.

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/turn-back-the-boats/#comment-87305

    There is no point ‘debating’ anything here. it is a closed shop, as reb highlighted just before with his illuminating reposte to my feeble attempt at explaining why his bullshit statement

    And the fact that so many of them now vehemently defend what they once condemned

    was, well, bullshit

    So Doug Cameron’s changed his mind…

    Relevance factor….?

    How can you ‘debate’ when something that is enunciated as clearly as Cameron did (and which I agree with, for the slower ones), and is dismissed with a ‘so he changed his mind, so what!!’. Well reb, I’ll go slow for the slow ones, it is all about people ‘changing their minds’ or, if you prefer, ‘being hypocrits’. But, to be even clearer, the two are not always the same, particularly when one option is derided by the UNHCR, and explicitly locks out working with other countries, whereas the other option includes working with the UNHCR, and opens up dialogue with other countries. Since you want to ignore focussing on that, and stick with the ‘hypocrit’ line, I’ll leave you to your little snips. Life is too short to waste time on people who only want to deride and snipe. You are welcome to each other, and grodo. Peas – pod.

  210. July 8, 2012 12:48 pm

    Go Team Gillard…!!!

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:49 pm

    Min, I think it is illustrative that you’re entitled to pop in here and issue insults (at least I take “boorish” as an insult), while banning me for ???-

    • Testing your volte-face on the subject of asylum seekers
    • Advocating a program that was also agreed by the leaders to the 2 countries.
    • Opposing off shore processing
    • Putting up with being called a “turd” without responding in kind

    The comments and testing I provided are now more “boorish” that many of the contributors with opposing views on your site. The difference is that they argue on an entirely partisan basis, whereas I argue and test on the basis of hypocrisy, ethics, policy and consistency.

    You and Miglo are far more comfortable with simple debate, Liberal vs Labor, Abbott vs Gillard, Malaysia vs Nauru, or Min vs Scaper.

    You are unable to cope with any genuine policy debate, particularly when the facts turn against you, as they did when the position agreed by the Australian PM and the Indonesian President supported the position I’d advocated, and which you had derided.

    Face up to it, you and Miglo just object to being tested.

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:50 pm

    “no more “boorish”

  213. July 8, 2012 12:54 pm

    “You and Miglo are far more comfortable with simple debate, Liberal vs Labor, Abbott vs Gillard, Malaysia vs Nauru, or Min vs Scaper.
    You are unable to cope with any genuine policy debate, particularly when the facts turn against you, as they did when the position agreed by the Australian PM and the Indonesian President supported the position I’d advocated, and which you had derided.”

    Hear Hear!!!

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 12:57 pm

    Tom R, most of the comments in your link were directed to others.

    But fine, you’ve somehow figured out how to argue with me, even though the policy I have advocated appears reasonably similar to your own.

    That’s odd.

  215. July 8, 2012 1:00 pm

    ToM, I actually didn’t call you a turd..that was Migs..not that I don’t support him in his opinion.

    It was due to the fact that you had become a complete and utter bore.

    What a strange bunch of people you are.

  216. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 1:07 pm

    ‘What a strange bunch of people you are.’

    I’ll take that as a compliment.

    ‘…you had become a complete and utter bore.’

    That’s odd, I’m sure you said the same thing to me in relation to CC. If our portfolios offend you, just say.

    Methinks you lot at CW are out of your depth.

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 1:09 pm

    No Min, I realise that was Miglo. I’m pointing out that the insults I received were worse than anything I said, but I didn’t reply in kind.

    But it is clear that both you and Miglo are far more comfortable just debating Scaper, and his ilk, than actually having the positions you hold discussed.

    Complexity of policy and examination of positions isn’t welcomed at Café Whispers, particularly when leaders reach agreement to implement the very programs you derided.

  218. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 1:11 pm

    Out of your depth in that you’re outside the, there is a strong rip running and the tides going out.

    Iy may be time to stop barracking and face reality for the good of the country. Where’s Kev?

  219. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2012 1:14 pm

    Complexity of policy and examination of positions isn’t welcomed at Café Whispers

    says the ‘nuance’ free zone (yes yomm, that was directed at you, so I don’t have to repeat myself later in case you missed it cos it wasn’t written expressly for your consumption)

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2012 2:27 pm

    You were right about one thing Tom R.

    The difference between Nauru nd Malaysia is one of “nuance” and no ratonal person would get all excited about one form of sending desperate people off shore and a different version of sending desperate people off shore.

    But at Cafe Whispers people support one form of the punishment, while distaining the other form of the punishment.

    Also hate it when they have dismissed a reasonable alternative, which leaders then support, and this is pointed out to them. As has happened in the last few days.

    It’s easier for them to-
    • Call people a “turd”
    • Argue with Scaper and the like.
    • Ban testing people

    On this occasion, there is no possible rationale for Miglo’s action.

  221. Tony permalink
    July 8, 2012 6:05 pm

    “Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer.” ~ Ludwig von Mises

  222. Tony permalink
    July 8, 2012 6:14 pm

    ‘“Need” now means wanting someone else’s money. “Greed” means wanting to keep your own. “Compassion” is when a politician arranges the transfer.’ ~ Joseph Sobran

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 9:12 am

    Interesting commentary from Gillard about Abbott being a “coward”. Interesting tone it sets for the political discourse.

    There are plenty of examples of cowardice about.

  224. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 9:56 am

    Looks like I missed a bit of inter blog conflict over the weekend.

  225. July 9, 2012 10:14 am

    That’s putting it mildly JAWS…

    😉

  226. July 9, 2012 10:25 am

    el gordo, actually I like you..you know this. I wouldn’t bother replying to you if I didn’t.

    ToM, I want to say that I had absolutely nothing to do with the banning..sure you were a bore..but you know this. Miglo originally said that he appreciated your comments on the NAIDOC topic were much appreciated, therefore I suspect that someone got into his ear.

  227. July 9, 2012 10:26 am

    whoops double stated myself..but you know what I mean..

  228. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:26 am

    Wasn’t there some crazy blogger called Walrus (or something weird like that) who used to get accused all the time of starting blog wars and who ended up getting banned all over the joint or at least warned off…………..LOL

    He’s long gone now I notice but it seems that poor chap was burdened with blame much out of proportion to what he was guilty of going by the common presence of a certain blogmaster from another blog who has a habit of having a hyper manic bout of abusive behaviour on a constant basis.

    Whatever did happen to that Walrus chap ?

    LOL

  229. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:42 am

    It’s one of those things, they hate proper analysis of policy, hate having their opinions tested. They prefer to debate with Scaper and that ilk. In summary –

    Soon after I commented there, Miglo called me a turd.

    I pointed out that Min had done a volte-face on asylum seekers, and she sought to justify her new position.

    I suggested that there should be more effort put into informing the crews of the boats about the consequences (long gaol sentences etc) of their actions. Min dismissed this firstly, then derided it. Miglo insulted me rather than address the question.

    But unfortunately for Min, my suggestion happened to be one of the actions on people smugging that was agreed by Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Julia Gillard. When I reminded her of this, it was apparently “boorish”, which is behaviour that Miglo has decided warrants my banning. Though I don’t think he has applied this standard to anyone else, and clearly it isn’t one he applied to himself.

    I commented on a post on indigenous issues and Miglo was pleased with my contribution.

    Funny, I didn’t issue a single insult, I remained on topic, and events even proved one of my suggestions was fully in accordance with the views of the PM…

    But there we are, they only like the “light” version of debate at Cafe Whispers.

  230. July 9, 2012 10:53 am

    ToM, I am still of the opinion that handing out flyers to mostly illiterate Indonesian fishermen is a bit of a waste of time.

    You have to admit it..you did go on a bit didn’t you, hence my comment about being boorish, but that was only after you had posted 10 squillion identical comments.

    Miglo’s decision was his own, and I for one would not have banned you..might have ignored you, but not banned.

    Exactly, why compliment you on your contribution on indigenous issues and then ban you. Perhaps it’s worth an email asking why.

  231. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:01 am

    Has anyone actually realized that the Indonesians are mightily pissed off with the manner in which the Australian Government has made itself into such a soft target for refugees that the Indos have to now put up with their nation being treated as a transit lounge by people smugglers.

    No wonder they don’t even try to stop people leaving their shores for ours if it means they have less foreigners (Iranians. Iraqis, Afghans et al) to put up with.

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:08 am

    ”handing out flyers to mostly illiterate Indonesian fishermen is a bit of a waste of time.

    You see Min, I’ve put it to you previously, who has suggested that a comprehensive information program involves “handing out flyers”? You are capable of better analysis than that. I don’t think that is what the Indonesian president and Gillard have in mind, and I don’t either.

    Certainly informing the crews is a better place to start than sending asylum seekers to Malaysia, particularly for anyone who professes humanitarianism.
    ————————–
    Miglo bans me because he is unable to demonstrate his allegation that I support Abbott, and he finds it annoying that he cannot easily put my opinions in a compartment.

    Banning is easier than thinking, for him.

  233. July 9, 2012 11:13 am

    ToM, the Indonesians are pissed off because they cannot see why this is such a “huge problem”. They have tens of thousands of displaced persons to deal with, yet we whinge about a few boats.

    There cannot be a “comprehensive information program”..come on reb, give us a hand here, you know what it’s like..the people are in the majority illiterate.

    I think that you should email Miglo.

  234. el gordo permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:28 am

    ‘el gordo, actually I like you..you know this. I wouldn’t bother replying to you if I didn’t.’

    Likewise…but I dream of the day CW regulars allows robust discussion without resorting to ‘troll’ as a way to stifle debate.

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:31 am

    ”the Indonesians are pissed off because they cannot see why this is such a “huge problem”

    I happen to agree with them. I also don’t see the arrival of asylum seekers as a huge problem. I can understand people being concerned about sinking vessels and drowning. But the fact is, if this prospect is not a deterrent to them, I’m not sure how sending them to Malaysia is a bigger one.

    How many people is the government willing to send to Malaysia? Will they keep doing it if they continue to seek asylum? Bowen should be present when he pushes people out of the country, he should see their look of desperation, he should experience the heartbreak.

    Sending people to Malaysia is disgraceful, and the government has got itself hooked into a race to the bottom on this. You Min should not support this policy.
    ——————————
    I emailed Miglo a couple of times a while ago to wish him the best. He ignored them, I see no reason to bother now.

  236. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:35 am

    “…but I dream of the day CW regulars allows robust discussion without resorting to ‘troll’ as a way to stifle debate.”

    LOL

    Now that’s funny

  237. July 9, 2012 12:06 pm

    How many people is the government willing to send to Malaysia? Will they keep doing it if they continue to seek asylum? Bowen should be present when he pushes people out of the country, he should see their look of desperation, he should experience the heartbreak.

    They make sure that they are well insulated from any of that. Pollies won’t even face a demonstration or protest anymore [although Labor does face the public more than the gutless Libs ever will with their “invitation only” public events]. They’ve got security and police at the ready to kick the heads in of anyone who tries to get close enough to shout within earshot – seems you have to be a paid lobbyist or very wealthy person to have your voice heard by any politician. If they don’t like what they are hearing, they just ignore it anyway or call the public a ‘mob/rabble’ and completely misrepresent their position.

    To me, this just reinforces the “elite” and “out of touch” responses.

  238. July 9, 2012 12:08 pm

    Looks like I missed a bit of inter blog conflict over the weekend.

    not really, same old, same old 🙄

  239. July 9, 2012 12:14 pm

    Kitty, it’s just the same thing. Goodness, how long has this been..is it 3 or is it 4 years.

    ToM the Malaysia thing was 800 and we’ll take 4,000. The 4,000 had already been assessed as genuine refugees. Bye for the moment..too tired, too stressed. Hugs to all.

  240. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 1:44 pm

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…..!

    Seems to me that somewhere else someone with a very highly diseased personality which is obviously the product of a claimed diseased mind is doing some pretty unimpressive if not juvenile hair splitting plus chucking in a few lies to boot.

    But nothing unusual there considering the previous track record.

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 3:38 pm

    I think there are some things that are better left alone. That’s one of them.

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 3:41 pm

    Mind you, it’s all a little hollow. I sent this regarding Miglo’s self justification, with no expectation that it would appar on his site –

    For the dust bin.

    There is no “blog war” as far as I can see. I participated at your site after Min posted a comment at TDT saying no one was banned.

    I then reasonably participated on a couple of threads, remained on topic and without responding to your provocation.

    You then chose to ban me, apparently at the urgings of others. Good for you.

    It was your choice, get over it.

  243. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 3:53 pm

    If someone wants to dig over old ground regarding the Walrus in the dead of night when for months nothing has been spoken and relative peace has reigned then I’ll always have something to say.

    There is only one individual that likes to flame things up a bit when things have been peaceful and its not someone from around these parts.

    The post I’m referring to will most likely disappear without trace now.

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 5:42 pm

    G’day Wally … AKA Walrus, AKA I Am The Walrus (AKA IATW) … AKA what was that other AKA before Jaws, Wally … ?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    if you really want political hypocrisy then check out Noddy Newmans financial nouse …

    … sack thousands of public servants ’cause Queensland has no money y’know … and the LNP is straightening the state finances out …

    … thrn in ablink of an eye tell all us Queenslanders who run the coal farms that we, as a state, are going to support an iron magnate – one Twiggy – in his legal action against the MRRT because … wait for it … it’s not in the best interests of the people of Queensland … so we challenge a tax for the use of our resources that would have given Australia and its PEOPLE … more in thye coffers …

    Does anyone else smell, the ROBBER BARONS at work in our government! FMD< Clivey may be having a rumble in the jungle with Tony Abbott … but the bugger's certainly running Noddy's Little Army …

    I am getting really sick and tired of politicians thinking I'm a fkn fool!

  245. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:01 pm

    That’s a fair enough observation TB

    The problem with the MRT is it wont raise the vast sums claimed yet there is recurring welfare expenditure depending on it doing so.

    Plus barely anyone can even understand the friggin’ thing and parts of it will ned to be decided on a case by case basis .i.e. when a company owns a mine and refines and processes the product where does the MRT apply ?

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:10 pm

    Wally, the resources in the ground beong to ALL Australians … this fkn State shit annoys the crap out of me when it comes to commercial issues … sport sure, fun rivalry sure … but WE own the stuff in the ground … ALL Ausssies … and we should decide how much it costs and when we should charge for it … the States can rent the use of the land the mines sit on … if the companies make an exceptional profit we should have a share of it ….

    AND (like you I think?) the same should apply to the Robber Banks!

  247. July 9, 2012 6:10 pm

    “Kitty, it’s just the same thing. Goodness, how long has this been..is it 3 or is it 4 years.”

    I think that’s quite unfair and untrue..

    To suggest that the recent banning of Tom by Miglo is a continuation of past “differences” is false.

    Past differences were based on the way in which Miglo set up his blog – by accessing a database of email addresses that didn’t belong to him.

    Many of us, including Tom I would like to think, have moved on from that.

    Recent events are quite unrelated.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:12 pm

    Now what’s all this crap from, ToM, about being called a “turd” … for my edification, could someone tell me where I can find this comment?

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:13 pm

    Shit! Do you still post here, sreb? 😆

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:14 pm

    BTW, nice to see you wearing your old familiar “suit” instead of that drunken ‘roo! 😛

  251. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:15 pm

    The Robber Banks need to be approached from a different angle TB. They need structural reconfiguration first. Split Investment from Savings

    I’d also take a long hard look at Coles and Woolies.

    Why the F**k should they be able to charge someone who shops at IGA more for petrol escapes all logic to me.

  252. July 9, 2012 6:20 pm

    “could someone tell me where I can find this comment?”

    It appears that Miglo has deleted it..

    ‘Round about the same time that he goaded Tom by demanding that Tom prove that he said it.

    Bit childish really…

  253. July 9, 2012 6:21 pm

    Hi TB,

    Yes still here, but very busy with work and socially too. Particularly now that we’re living in a real city.

    When is your trip to Tassie?

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:28 pm

    Absolutely, on all counts, Wally … what has always annoyed me is that the regulators “didn’t see it coming” when laypeople (ie you and I) see it almost immediately AND they then give you the classic “but you can’t see the bigger picture” – that generally translates into … “someone’s got their hand my pocket and I really like it!”

    PNG, was a microcosm of what happens in business here in Brisbane (and I suspect the rest of Oz) … quite hilarious sickening to watch … actually … I distinctly remember my business mentor and I knocking back an 84 million Kina loan from the World Bank (in a pub in Port Moresby) because we had been amazed at the “finger in the pie” requirements …

    It was like being in a FIFA deal! Very glad that my boss, said no … and strangely enough, I could have walked away from the deal with a very healthy “commission” … my Mum taught me well!

  255. July 9, 2012 6:29 pm

    TB remember to include Mona on your schedule…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Old_and_New_Art

    And Salamanca markets on a Saturday.

    You can catch the ferry from Hobart waterfront direct to Mona.

    Also catching the ferry to Peppermint Bay for lunch is a nice day trip too.

    In terms of restaurants, Salt, Maldini and Choochio at Salamanca are all good.

    For seafood, try Fish Frenzy at the finger wharf.

    You can also catch the ferry to Port Arthur from the waterfront.

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:32 pm

    G’day, sreb!

    Tasmania – September … (where’s Cygnet … I thought I I might drop in and say hello to Bob …)

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:35 pm

    Many thanks, mate! I’ve just copied and pasted your suggestions … we’ve got three days in Hobart so that’ll be very useful …

    … The Minister thinks she’s gonna cook for us (we have the facilities in our accomodation) … guess what! Not happening!

  258. July 9, 2012 6:36 pm

    TB, it was a Migs-ism..ToM is just being a wee bit precious..I’m certain that he’ll recover.

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:39 pm

    Min, can I look for myself?

  260. July 9, 2012 6:39 pm

    Cygnet is 45 mins south of hobart. Well worth a visit – sort of an artie bohemian alternative scene..

    (we used to live 5 mins from there so we were there almost every weekend)

    If you’re planning to go there during the weekend you will need to book a table at this place

    http://www.theredvelvetlounge.com.au/

    The chef is a good friend of ours and has won lots of awards…

    Good rustic country food sourced from local producers…

  261. July 9, 2012 6:40 pm

    Where are you staying in Hobart?

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:49 pm

    Place called Risdon … we booked a “cabin” package around the state … very Lowes I know, but we only want a bed and shower and off!

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 6:53 pm

    Bloody hell! I just checked the menu @ velevet lounge! My kinda tucker … I’m hoping for some really good food in Tassie (for some reason!) … my mouth is still watering from that fkn menu!

  264. July 9, 2012 6:56 pm

    Risdon! That’s where the prison is !!!!

    But convenient I ‘ll concede..

    Just remember to book Red Velvet Lounge as on the weekends it’s fkn chockers ….

    The minister will probably like the local shops too…. A nice little village …

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2012 7:05 pm

    Many thanks, sreb … must off, the British Railway Modellers of Australia meet once a month – this is once a month!

    Funnily enough a couple of the silly old buggers were complaining on the BRMA forum that their model railway mags were more expensive because of the Carbon Tax …

    … it would be funny if it weren’t so serious … the magazines come from the fkn UK!

    Shakes head slowly!

  266. July 9, 2012 8:10 pm

    TB, I would hate to try to stop you looking for anything.. How is the Minister, she is one of my very favourite people, the nicest most lovely lady..far too good for the likes you me wee laddie. 😉

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 8:40 pm

    I was only surprised, not bothered by the “turd” reference.

  268. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 9:36 pm

    What about Richmond and Port Arthur ?

  269. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 9:45 pm

    ToM you’re a big boy who can look after yourself. I’m fed up with that Cnut feeling a need to bring up my mate the Walrus into an argument without any reason at all and then squealing like a stuck pig in protest at any retaliation.

    Following on from the usual blog war “I am a victim”impact statement it seems the cafe will be shut down for the 50th fucking time.

    But of course that’s yet another lie

  270. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:33 pm

    I can’t believe the hypocrisy in someone posting a thread about an obviously much loved dying dog and the comments that were made about the same subject a few months ago.

    How do they sleep over there ?

  271. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:36 pm

    Have there been any outbreaks of leprosy in Australia in the last few years ?

    Somehow I can feel an outbreak occurring in the ACT very soon.

  272. Why was IATW banned again? permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:53 pm

    I see how it works now. The mere mention of “Walrus” brings back the “Walrus” persona.

  273. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:56 pm

    And why not. You got a problem with that ?

    Why not defend the original comment made during a period of peace ?

  274. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 10:59 pm

    Having trouble with that ?

  275. Why was IATW banned again? permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:03 pm

    Only in trying to work out WTF you’re talking about.

  276. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:10 pm

    Oh really ?

    Then your first post makes no sense . You’re the one that made the original comment about the walrus persona.

    I recommend fish oil dickhead.

    It works for memories like yours.

  277. Why was IATW banned again? permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:11 pm

    Here’s the “highly offensive” post from Miglo mentioning “Walrus”. Does this really warrant the OTT response we’re seeing? Perhaps you’ve given up your Wednesday and Saturday only pledge?

    Miglo
    July 8, 2012 @ 12:39 am

    Actually, there’s been something I’ve been thinking about lately. I remember just before reb banned Walrus from GT he said this to him: “If you think I put a lot of time and effort into this blog just to sit back and let you destroy it . . . ”

    I’m giving ToM the same message about this blog.

  278. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:17 pm

    Oh so now you know WTF I was on about.

    Therefore you were originally lying a few moments ago about not knowing what I was on about.

    How unsurprised am I.

    Why not post the other comments ?

  279. Why was IATW banned again? permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:17 pm

    Having trouble with that ?

    DICKHEAD!

  280. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:19 pm

    N5

  281. Why was IATW banned again? permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:22 pm

    Now I have no idea WTF you’re on about again. That was the only comment that mentioned “Walrus” and it seems to have sent you into some sort of fit of rage.

  282. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:28 pm

    Frankly I don’t give a toss !

    But the statement that you have “no idea” certainly fits.

    Tomorrow is another day.

    Will peace resume or not ?

    You dickheads can decide since you lot love inciting wars

  283. Why was IATW banned again? permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:39 pm

    I’m fed up with that Cnut feeling a need to bring up my mate the Walrus into an argument without any reason at all and then squealing like a stuck pig in protest at any retaliation.

    in response to an innocuous parallel being drawn to a previous banning. Your “retaliation” was warranted and commensurate? Mate, you have anger management issues which really should be dealt with sooner rather than later.

    Just sayin’

  284. JAWS permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:49 pm

    Really

    Seems to me i was going along quite peacefully . In fact everyone was.

    By the way dickhead. Don’t call me your “mate”

    Just saying’

  285. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 8:12 am

    In other news…

    Sid Maher and Peter van Onselen in the Oz.

    ‘SENIOR Labor Left figures have backed calls for the party to take a tougher line against the Greens as members of all factions lashed the minor party for its stance on offshore processing and contempt for blue-collar workers.

    ‘As the NSW Nationals yesterday revealed they expected to preference the Greens last at the next election, Labor Left faction convenor Stephen Jones said he expected that NSW general secretary Sam Dastyari’s motion to take a tough line on Greens preferences would pass the state conference.’

  286. July 10, 2012 8:38 am

    Over at the cafe I made the fairly innocuous comment (at least I thought anyway)..

    “Ad astra does his usual pro-Labor job on the asylum seeker issue..”

    Which apparently, was sufficient justification to warrant this response from Miglo…

    “Reb, why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit.”

    Charming. 😯

  287. Why not change facts to suit yourself? permalink
    July 10, 2012 8:45 am

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/rostrum-2/#comment-1478

    July 9, 2012 6:20 pm

    “could someone tell me where I can find this comment?”

    It appears that Miglo has deleted it..

    ‘Round about the same time that he goaded Tom by demanding that Tom prove that he said it.

    Bit childish really…

    Charming indeed 🙄

  288. July 10, 2012 9:23 am

    was there meant to be a point to that…?

  289. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 9:25 am

    “Over at the cafe I made the fairly innocuous comment…”

    Yeah I saw that.

    Very charming response indeed.

    Perhaps I was a bit over the top in my response yesterday and for that I apologise to the usual TDT bloggers. But I’ve had a gutful of that fucking creep dragging me into his stupid spats at any opportunity.

    Anyway its a new day and the sun will shine through……………………once this incredibly thick Sydney fog completely clears.

    Still cant see more than 100 metres out to sea.

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 9:30 am

    TB, I would hate to try to stop you looking for anything.. How is the Minister, she is one of my very favourite people, the nicest most lovely lady..far too good for the likes you me wee laddie.

    I didn’t quite understand this post … until I saw the one above …

    … not sure I understand the last sentence but I’m neither “wee” nor a “laddie” … as for the judgement call … I’ll leave that to, The Minister …

    As for the “friction” between blogs, Min … I’ll restate that I avoid it (unless I’m directly involved of course) …

    … my original question was genuine, I just wanted to know what Mig’s had “actually” said … not rely on repetitious accusation (a popular pastime by some here) …

    … as you should know by now, I like to hear BOTH sides of an issue, before deciding my own position …

  291. July 10, 2012 9:45 am

    “Very charming response indeed.”

    Perhaps born from the frustration that Team Gillard is universally loathed and heading for certain annihilation at the next election..

    You can sense the desperation when they start posting topics like “Tony Abbott will never be Prime Minister” when events in “the real world” are completely the opposite.

  292. July 10, 2012 9:46 am

    😯

    Wow, just wow.

  293. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 9:57 am

    Yeah

    Even I’m not looking terribly forward to Abbott being PM

    But I dont look forward to dentist appointments either but as you said its the reality.

  294. July 10, 2012 10:03 am

    Without wanting any part of the personal attacks, an observation…

    It really does seem like the twain should never meet. I just don’t go there. You won’t change any minds by confronting the prevailing mood of ALP defensiveness at all costs. Rational observers are aware that the ALP is sunk without hope, no amount of blaming the media or the Opposition or the Greens is going to change that.
    The dissonant cognition associated with holding & changing positions at one with the government is a bit sad really. But the silly rightards do it too, in their own way. It’s not unique to just a couple of ALP apologist feelgood blogs.
    So, I’m not sure what’s to be gained from attempting to engage adherents with their past stances proven changeable. Leave em be, maybe? They’re in for a horrible moment of clarity on the day that ‘Tony Abbott does become PM’; a day which revolts me as well, but being revolted doesn’t ward off the inevitable. Just like banning dissent doesn’t invalidate the points being made, it just blocks ears & shuts eyes to them.

    I’m surprised things are still so bitter.

    I can imagine the other camp doesn’t like Tom in their tent saying “I told you so”, but he does have a point. It doesn’t seem to matter whether he makes that point in a polite way or not; they simply don’t want to hear it.

    The cynic in me believes that if Tom went there & supported the ALP rather than tearing it down, he’d be welcomed.

    Ad Astra is just a parody? surely? noone is that single minded?

    Anyway, perhaps it’s better to agree to disagree & leave em to it?

  295. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 10:06 am

    “………………agree to disagree & leave em to it?”

    Yep

    Leave em to it. That’s what I practice these days

  296. July 10, 2012 10:13 am

    “It doesn’t seem to matter whether he makes that point in a polite way or not; they simply don’t want to hear it.”

    You’ve hit the nail on the head.. Tom has been perfectly polite. But they ban him simply because he presents an inconvenient truth.

    They really don’t like dissenting views, or even just to be presented with a few facts..

    And then Miglo just resorts to abuse …

    Ih his defence he recently admitted that he has a mental illness so that may explain the erratic behaviour to some extent…

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2012 10:14 am

    “ Team Gillard is universally loathed and heading for certain annihilation at the next election.”

    When most people look at the rotting corpse of Gillard’s government they turn away gagging with revulsion. But the rusted-ons have a different perspective – that of the necrophiliac. For them this stinking cadaver is an object of love and desire whose honour must be defended at all costs. Any attempt to pour the cool water of rationality on the red-hot lust of these perverts will only cause them to explode.

  298. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 10:26 am

    “………………agree to disagree & leave em to it?”

    As its only the blogosphere, I fancy mowing them down as they run away, because they have nowhere to hide.

    Good sport now that the fkn tax is here…the Denialati are not taking prisoners.

  299. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 10:27 am

    Splatter

    You truly are a modern day Shakespeare.

    LOL

  300. July 10, 2012 10:31 am

    It doesn’t happen very often, but every now & again Bolt says something relevant & noteworthy…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_collective_of_the_elite_to_determine_what_naughty_journalism_you_shouldnt/

    Knickerpissing about leftist demons aside, the thrust of his post is a harbinger that anyone interested in open discourse should pay attention to.

  301. July 10, 2012 10:32 am

    Splatter does have a certain way with words… 🙂

  302. July 10, 2012 10:33 am

    “As its only the blogosphere, I fancy mowing them down as they run away, because they have nowhere to hide.”

    I understand the sentiment, el gordo, even sympathise with it in a way…but it just ends up stressing people out.

  303. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 10:58 am

    And I don’t think I’m alone in saying that many who inhabit this Blog are not the “Rusted on Right Wingers” that we are held out to be. I’m sure I’m not the only “Right Winger” who voted for Rudd pretty much because they had had a gutful of Howard and were attracted to Rudd’s “Me-Tooism” at the time which effectively promised a certain transition of power from the LNP to the Labor Right.

    Rudd lost me immediately when he specifically broke his “core” promise in relation to Superannuation changes and the Medical Rebate. Both of which he had promised not to touch yet ideology got the better of him.

    That’s when they lost me.

    Sure the GFC interrupted but Swan ridiculously overspent and now we have the Carbon Tax. Yet another broken promise.

    It seems to me that many here are framed as “Rusted on Right Wingers” when the reality is we just want stable and predictable good governance.

  304. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:00 am

    Oh and talking GFC and finance it looks like Friday will be interesting.

    China is to announce its GDP numbers to the markets.

    And Friday is the 13th

  305. July 10, 2012 11:19 am

    “I don’t think I’m alone in saying that many who inhabit this Blog are not the “Rusted on Right Wingers” that we are held out to be.”

    Too right. In some circles, if you’re not gushing over the latest “words of wisdom” from Julia Gillard then therefore you must be an “Abbott lover.”

    I guess it’s easier for them to look at things simplistically rather than actually debate the issues..

  306. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:27 am

    Am I correct in opining that the Gay Marriage thingy was the last straw for some as far as Julia was concerned.

    I think we all had our different Red Buttons for her to push. And she’s managed to spread eagle herself on the entire “console”.

  307. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:28 am

    Toilet Boss: “the thrust of his post is a harbinger that anyone interested in open discourse should pay attention to.”

    Control of the mainstream press is the traditional method by which the ruling classes constrain public debate. Unfortunately for them the internet has democratised political debate. Having spent decades taking over the universities and colonising Fairfax and the ABC the intellectual elite are not amused that their ideas are not now universally accepted.

    These new fascists certainly don’t like to be criticised. Bob Brown got more and more tetchy as he descended into the senility of an old testament prophet. Frustrated that his Green ideas were being pilloried he demanded regulation of the media. He hit rock bottom when Chris Uhlmann asked him about his plan to abolish the coal industry. Brown denied it and started blathering about Murdoch’s lies. Rather pathetically, he had forgotten that the evil Murdoch had actually given him a column in the Australian which he used to advocate – wait for it – the abolition of the coal industry.

    Brown and Gillard then decided on the “shoot the messenger” approach and so appointed Finklestein to produce a report which recommended regulation of both the press and the blogosphere. This is far more destructive than anything else this mongrel government has proposed. Hopefully the voters will show these precious thin-skinned charlatans the door before they can legislate it.

    And don’t even get me started on Conroy and his dream of filtering the internet.

  308. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:32 am

    Jaws I agree completely with your comments about Rudd. I was hoping for a return to the early Hawke/Keating era but we got a stupider version of Whitlam instead.

  309. July 10, 2012 11:39 am

    “Am I correct in opining that the Gay Marriage thingy was the last straw for some as far as Julia was concerned.”

    Yeah, pretty much, although the knifing of Kevin Rudd, for no other reason than to simply promote the faceless union hacks was a major game changer for me.

    Her staunch opposition to marriage equality just seems bizarre.

    But she’s proven just so completely incompetent on so many levels; her handling of the Craig Thomson scandal, the flunked handling of the so called “Malaysia Solution” and of course the carbon tax that no one now wants.

    All this while declaring that she’s acting “in the best interests of the nation.”

    🙄

  310. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:40 am

    “I was hoping for a return to the early Hawke/Keating era”

    Yes Splatter

    An era of reform with concensus and common sense.

  311. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:42 am

    Yes

    I think each of us had a different “button” that she pushed

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:44 am

    I think it is really good that Min participates here, and I know I tested here recently, but I don’t think it was over the top in the circumstances.

    The agreement between the leaders of Indonesia and Australia to implement the type of approach I’d suggested and the Cafe lot had opposed could hardly be ignored, particularly as I’d been called a right wing Abbott supporter etc.

    I am quite surprised it deteriorated so quietly as I think I’d been relatively restrained, given some to the comments directed to me.

    The language used to reb demonstrates that no one here started any blog war.

  313. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:45 am

    “tested her…”

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:48 am

    and …”am quite surprised it deteriorated so quietly quickly…

    (bad spell checking!)

  315. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2012 11:55 am

    “Am I correct in opining that the Gay Marriage thingy was the last straw for some as far as Julia was concerned.”

    That demonstrated beyond doubt how completely hollowed-out she had become. The signs were always there that somewhere along the way she had traded whatever principles she started with for power by any means necessary.

    Looking back there was the gratuitous knifing of Rudd, then the “real Julia” thing. The trace of tear on her cheek the day after she was criticised for not letting her real feelings show. There was the sycophantic applause from the worded-up arse-licking sections of the media for her election launch speech “made without notes” and then the unfortunate camera shot of the notes she left on the lectern. Another thing that got me was this haggard atheist’s profession of support for teaching the bible in schools, something she seemed to have ignored in the new curriculum she produced as education minister. It was a stupid idea anyway and clearly a response dictated by a spin doctor. By the time it got to “Well, I’ve given you the answer I’m going to give you” and ”I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer” it became clear that she knows that everyone knows that she is just an empty shell of a human being clinging to power regardless of how vacant and stupid she makes herself look.

    Truly she has earned the contempt that has been heaped upon her.

  316. July 10, 2012 11:57 am

    “By the time it got to “Well, I’ve given you the answer I’m going to give you” and ”I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer” it became clear that she knows that everyone knows that she is just an empty shell of a human being clinging to power regardless of how vacant and stupid she makes herself look.”

    That’s fkn priceless!! 🙂

  317. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 12:31 pm

    “The language used to reb demonstrates that no one here started any blog war.”

    And don’t forget a few months ago when during a period of relative peace between the 2 blogs without provocation I was suddenly referred to as “pure scum”. Completely out of the blue.

    So then yet another period of hostilities broke out.

    If you check the recent history its pretty clear who likes to stoke the “flames” from time to time.

  318. July 10, 2012 12:47 pm

    It seems to me that many here are framed as “Rusted on Right Wingers” when the reality is we just want stable and predictable good governance.

    But you want it with a ‘right wing’ ideology, which shows by your comments about superannuation and medicare.

    You want Labor to govern as if they were a Coalition government (the very issue that has turned people like me to the Greens).

    Why must a stable and predictable government be so skewed toward the gains of the wealthy? Why can’t we have a stable, predictable and equitable government, one that treats all people with fairness and the wealthy paying their fair share rather than stuffing taxpayer benefits (from poorer people who can’t minimise their tax) into their already loaded wallets.

    We are a rich country, we should support all with fairness and people should look at government as to how they can support it so we have a great society where everyone is included and can benefit, and that is not the way of capitalism and self interest. The right whingers expect to get more from the government and the taxpayer than they are prepared to give in return. It’s as if they believe that governments owe them a living. We can all have aspirations but you have to be prepared to pay something toward it yourself, and you have to be prepared to support others to achieve the same.

  319. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 12:52 pm

    Can anyone confirm or deny that CW is going to close and that Miglo has retired from the public service because of ill health?

  320. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 12:54 pm

    It was threatened yet again yesterday. (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN)

    Which always means it will be open for the foreseeable future

  321. July 10, 2012 12:54 pm

    I can only think of one rightwinger here who’s an open Abbott supporter. Most of the rest are just anti-ALP or anti-government (nearly all of them are anti-Greens pantswetterz).

    So who’s the Abbotteer?… cough, terry towelling, cough

  322. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:00 pm

    “But you want it with a ‘right wing’ ideology, which shows by your comments about superannuation and medicare. ”

    I dont think I’d call that pure Right Kitty.

    Many people saving for retirement have stay at home kids of 25 to 30 plus years old an might earn $120K but spend the lot.

    I wouldn’t call them Rich.

    Someone on upto say $120K can also be struggling when they have a huge mortgage to service. When we start getting into $150K plus then perhaps that’s the point where means testing should cut in.

    I’d like to see plenty of middle class welfare wound back especially all this child support stuff.

  323. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:00 pm

    LOL @ Toilet

  324. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:03 pm

    I’ll never forgive Abbott for shutting down the entire Campus and its local pub on a Thursday afternoon back in 1979 for one of his pointless anti abortion rallies along City Road whilst we were at Sydney Uni

  325. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:03 pm

    ‘…but it just ends up stressing people out.’

    Only if we become boorish and lose our sense of humor in the thick of battle. Honestly, it can also be fun debating unreasonable peoples on TDT’s blog roll and beyond.

  326. July 10, 2012 1:10 pm

    Many people saving for retirement have stay at home kids of 25 to 30 plus years old an might earn $120K but spend the lot.

    I wouldn’t call them Rich.

    But why do the kids need to be at home and bludging off their parents?

    Government should not be shifting the financing of social welfare responsibility onto parents, expecting people to support adult children until they reach 25 yrs is ridiculous and things like negative gearing, low wages (or income support) for youth and uni students, employers refusing to pay and train their own employees etc.

  327. July 10, 2012 1:15 pm

    People can’t expect to be well supported and their aspirations achieved but also refuse to pay taxes toward meeting those goals, this is where market or capitalist ideology has encroached upon an equitable system of government and failed society.

  328. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:22 pm

    “But why do the kids need to be at home and bludging off their parents?”

    Because they cant afford to buy a house.

    The World is mighty different these days.

    Sydney property is largely unaffordable so much so that the only way for nmany parents to get rid of the kids is to downsize so they have some super from their house sale.

    So the parents live in a 4 BR house until they retire and the kids stay too.

    When I was 22 I couldn’t wait to leave home.

    Those were the days of getting all your spending money out of the bank on a Friday afternoon (no ATMs) ……………lining up the joint where everyone was to met at 7pm (no mobiles)………………….quickly eating something ( no fine dining)………………then going off to see some new band at the Coogee Bay Hotel with a strange name like INXS.

    Then kicked out of the joint at 3am………….then off home.

    Then do it all again Saturday Night

    “Sigh”

    Times have changed so we cant always judge the present by holding it upto the past

  329. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:32 pm

    “People can’t expect to be well supported and their aspirations achieved but also refuse to pay taxes toward meeting those goals, this is where market or capitalist ideology has encroached upon an equitable system of government and failed society.”

    Ah ha !

    Trying to change the topic to the Greek Economy I see………………….LOL

  330. July 10, 2012 1:34 pm

    Sydney property is largely unaffordable so much so that the only way for nmany parents to get rid of the kids is to downsize so they have some super from their house sale.

    The answer to that is getting rid of negative gearing – why isn’t there a campaign for that? Time to change the operating system [political courage required though].

  331. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:50 pm

    You cant do that immediately but you could phase it out. I’m not sure negative gearing is the answer to all the woes of high property prices.

    Just taking Sydney. Its got a massive mountain range to the West, a rather large expanse of Ocean to the East and massive National Parks to the North and South and its stuck in the middle of a part of the World which is home to what 3 Billion people (?) a lot of whom are trying to catch a boat over.

  332. July 10, 2012 1:57 pm

    cough, terry towelling, cough

    Can’t be me then……… 😉

    I think it’s probably a bit unfair to describe me as an Abbotteer. Everything in politics should be taken from a comparitive perspective. I will say though that I’ve gone from a fairly broad discomfort with him to a grudging admiration. TB can post his half dozen videos all he likes, but taken collectively, they’re really just a bunch of propoganda pieces that fail the test of context or worse, overlook the basic test of human fallibility.

    The hysteria generated when Abbott stated plainly what everybody already knew, that politicians are prone to bullshit or exaggeration when shooting off the cuff was instructive. Those that were so hysterically critical really proved that more frankness from politicians was not a characteristic they sought.

    I think the only “-eer” I’ve ever really been is a Costello-eer. And that was after hosting him as a guest at my football club. I found him personally charming as well as entirely across the social issues that sporting clubs exist to overcome (talking about inclusiveness here). Even then I had my strong criticisms of one or two of his economic policies, which criticisms were, at the time, laughed at as being not genuine but, over time, have proven justified.

    But lumping people into pigeon holes is generally pretty fraught with long term danger. Especially genuine contributors who are prepared to engage in argument. You get found out in the end.

    *By the way, except for the quote and the first line, none of this is actually directed at Toilet.

  333. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2012 2:06 pm

    When governments do favours for big business it’s usually for the benefit of their mates at the expense of the consumer. Labor gives taxpayers’ money to failing car companies and aluminium smelters with large unionised workforces, or yet-to-fail “green” “energy” companies that know how to fill out a ‘clean energy future’ grant application.

  334. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 2:49 pm

    ‘Just taking Sydney. Its got a massive mountain range to the West, a rather large expanse of Ocean to the East and massive National Parks to the North and South… ‘

    A Chinese bullet train under the sandstone curtain will relieve pressure and open up the west.

    There are massive votes in this.

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 2:49 pm

    *By the way, except for the quote and the first line, none of this is actually directed at Toilet.

    Intersting that I got a mention, then …

    TB can post his half dozen videos all he likes, but taken collectively, they’re really just a bunch of propoganda pieces that fail the test of context or worse, overlook the basic test of human fallibility.

    It might interest you to know that the same could be said for the sound and vid bytes directed at julia Gillard.

    As for Tip Custard … well … as for Tip Custard … Tip Cusard is … well Tip Custard … 🙄

  336. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2012 2:49 pm

    It is really a nice little shell game: the car companies aren’t doing so well, especially in the IR front, the government gives the public’s money to car companies who split it with the unions and the unions fund the ALP.

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 2:55 pm

    Wally, re China’s figures Friday (?) … you don’t really think they’ll tell what the Chinese economy is doing, do you?

    +++++++++++++++

    Speaking of China … I’m rebuilding our brick letterbox at the moment at we decided to upgrade the “fittings” … the one we purchased from the local Bunnings was Made in PRC …

    … some Chinese manufacturers obviously know the Aussie … “made in fkn China” syndrome … (and that’s amusing … we had the same thing with Japanese products in the 1960’s … no-one says much about Korea though …

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 3:08 pm

    It is really a nice little shell game

    And its always fascinated me as a very shallow approach to part of fiscal policy, for that’s what it is … I learned the basics back in my financial studies days, in the eighties … a rather interesting subject … (did you know there are six types of unemployment?)

    As I suspect, Wally, will also inform you, it’s to do with economics … Western countries tend to rely on the auto and building industries as a foundation for their economic growth … they contribute, between them, more than any other industry, to the Multiplier Effect …

    … one of the problems with the mining industry boom is that the rest of the economy is often isolated from any real impact on the whole National economy …

    … and of course the auto industry employs not only thousands of employees itself but supports thousands of cottage industries and subcontractors …

    The government also supported the banks during the GFC … it is part of the their role … BTW … and that’s ANY government …

    I recall Kodak being given $1 million to maintain its film processing plant in Melbourne during the change from analogue “film” to digital cameras …

  339. July 10, 2012 3:34 pm

    It might interest you to know that the same could be said for the sound and vid bytes directed at julia Gillard.

    It well might. Except I was responding to my (I suspect somewhat in jest) characterisation as an “Abbotteer”. I don’t think I’ve ever posted a series of Youtube clips on anyone (except back in the Blogocracy days I enjoyed posting slightly rude music videos).

  340. July 10, 2012 3:37 pm

    The government also supported the banks during the GFC … it is part of the their role … BTW … and that’s ANY government …

    That’s an interesting question, actually, and one I’ve not formed a final view on. Is it part of the Government’s role to support banks? I’m not necessarily convinced that it is, at least not to the extent they were supported during the GFC and since.

  341. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 3:41 pm

    “… you don’t really think they’ll tell what the Chinese economy is doing, do you?”

    Of course not

    They are probably still handwritten on a soy sauce stained beeeer coaster the product of a really drunken, gambling and generally debauched evening out last weekend at one of the many Macau casinos run by the Chairman and the Committee.

    The World would just like a bit of encouragement at the moment.

    The last thing the World needs is the Truth.

  342. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 3:43 pm

    “I’m not necessarily convinced that it is, at least not to the extent they were supported during the GFC and since.”

    If their Investment Arms were separated from the Savings and Lending Arms we could get away with letting a few face plant themselves at the feet of a few liquidators.

  343. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 3:56 pm

    By way of example.

    Macquarie Bank prior to the GFC was involved as a shareholder in Airports, Roads, Ports etc all over the World. It loaded itself up with external overseas debt thereby “turbocharging” its balance sheet and used the cash at call accounts of Mum and Dad investors and Superfunds under its control.

    They were effectively taking equity/shareholder positions in businesses. They were not lending on the basis of bricks and mortar security perse.

    Its not generally known that they came within a whisker of not opening their doors because they could not refinance (repay existing lenders and reborow from new lenders) the external debt they were carrying on its due date. They would have defaulted on a certain tranche of debt thereby breaching every debt agreement they had.

    Swan saved them with the Guarantee.

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 3:59 pm

    The last thing the World needs is the Truth.

    Well, that’s arelief, ’cause they ain’t gonna get it! 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    …snacty.

    Seems, James, was offended at the number of Youtube vids of Abbott spluttering, lying or just sayin’ … nowt … wonder which one was out of context though … 🙄

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 4:03 pm

    Swan saved them with the Guarantee.

    Along with Mums and Dads and Superannuants … that’s why its done!

    And yes, the sooner governments around the world regulate speculation the better … banks are like addicted gamblers … with other people’s money … and have been since before a certain, JC, tipped the tables in the temple!

  346. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 4:07 pm

    Dow Jones

    China overtakes Japan in Fortune 500 ranks
    10/07/2012 02:55AM AEST

    China has overtaken Japan on the Fortune Global 500 for the first time on the list of the world’s biggest companies by revenue.

    While US companies held the plurality of slots on the list, with 132 US firms featured, Chinese companies came in second, with 73, followed by 68 Japanese companies.

    China’s ascent marked the addition of 12 companies to the prestigious list, while the number of European firms fell to 161 from 172 in 2011.

    Anglo-Dutch energy giant Royal Dutch Shell retook the top spot this year, knocking off US retail titan Wal-Mart from a two-year reign.

    Eight energy businesses dominated the top 10, three of them Chinese companies; Sinopec Group, China National Petroleum and State Grid.

    Shell had $US484.5 billion ($A476.8 billion) in revenues in 2011, a 28.1 per cent increase from 2010.

    Commercial banks accounted for the second-largest industry on the Global 500 and the auto industry was in third place.

    “Despite financial turmoil in Europe and disasters in Japan, the world’s largest corporations had record profits and revenues in 2011,” Fortune said in a statement.

    In total, the Global 500 companies posted record revenues of $US29.5 trillion, up 13.2 per cent over 2010.

    “Total profits rose seven percent, to $US1.6 trillion, roughly equal to the gross domestic product of India,” Fortune said.

    The annual ranking reflected the shifting global landscape as the United States faces mounting competition from foreign rivals.

    “Although the US still hosts the lion’s share of Global 500 corporations, no country has lost more companies during the last decade. There are 132 US-headquartered businesses on this year’s list, down from 197 a decade ago,” the magazine said.

    After Shell, the remaining companies in the top 10 are, in descending order: ExxonMobil; Wal-Mart Stores; Britain’s BP; Chinese companies Sinopec Group, China National Petroleum and State Grid; Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Toyota Motor.

    Apple shot up 56 spots from last year, landing at number 55. The California-based maker of the hot-selling iPhone, iPad and other gadgets posted 2011 revenues of almost $US108.3 billion, a 66 per cent rise over 2010.

  347. July 10, 2012 4:23 pm

    Seems, James, was offended at the number of Youtube vids of Abbott spluttering, lying or just sayin’ … nowt … wonder which one was out of context though …

    Not offended at all. Just pointing out that if a similar compilation was done of every politician, or even of person in public life, Abbott’s version would look pretty lame by comparison.

    For all of his cringeworthiness, he remains a more real person than most in Parliament.

  348. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 4:29 pm

    My post from Dow Jones was designed to reassure Kitty that Capitalism is not broke yet.
    I’d hate to think she’d try and sleep thinking otherwise LOL

  349. July 10, 2012 4:29 pm

    “he remains a more real person than most in Parliament”

    He’s a fkn nutter.

  350. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2012 4:36 pm

    ‘Robert Joseph Barro (born September 28, 1944) is an American classical macroeconomist and the Paul M. Warburg Professor of Economics at Harvard University. The Research Papers in Economics project ranked him as the 4th most influential economist in the world as of August 2011 based on his academic contributions . . .

    ‘Barro believes that the Keynesian multiplier is close to zero. For every dollar the government borrows and spends, spending elsewhere in the economy falls by almost the same amount . . . Finally, Barro has been an outspoken opponent of stimulus spending, calling Obama’s stimulus bill “garbage” and “the worst bill since the 1930’s.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Barro

  351. July 10, 2012 4:39 pm

    He’s a fkn nutter.

    So are most real people…….in one way or another.

  352. July 10, 2012 4:39 pm

    I mean…….in one way or anutter……

    Hohoho…….

  353. July 10, 2012 4:43 pm

    chuckle chuckle chuckle… 🙂

  354. July 10, 2012 4:51 pm

    Yeah, coz ‘real people’ have the ear of Arch Bishops, are Rhodes Scholars & hobnob with billionaire crackpots. 🙄

  355. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2012 4:53 pm

    😯

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 4:58 pm

    Did anyone actually read, Wally’s, post I got to “plurality of slots” …

    … and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz …

  357. July 10, 2012 5:00 pm

    I don’t know that he so much hobnobs with billionaire crackpots as gets screamed at trying to keep them under a political leash. That’s to his credit in my opinion. As for the Rhodes Scholarship, well, that’s to his credit too isn’t it? They said Bob Hawke, a Rhodes Scholar, was down with the real people.

    And anyone senior in politics has the ear of the leaders of all kinds of interest groups. That just goes with the territory. From what I understand, Tony Abbott spends more time working in remote Aboriginal communities than than in monasteries discussing the Catholicisation of the broader community.

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:00 pm

    ToSY’s was interesting too … 😯

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:01 pm

    That’s to his credit in my opinion.

    … but, but, I’m not an Abbotteer … 🙄

  360. July 10, 2012 5:06 pm

    He’s about as ‘real’ as the sky fairy.

    I think perhaps that you meant ‘normal’, rather than real..which of course he isn’t either. Nor does he do a convincing pantomime of being normal or ‘real’.

    A nutter of opportunity, on the other hand…well, he pulls that role off with thin lipped aplomb!

  361. July 10, 2012 5:08 pm

    You’re not fooling anyone, TB. You are one of those.

    It was actually you I was initially referring to. Something about you screams ‘terry towelling dressing gown’. 😯

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:12 pm

    WTF! 😯

  363. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:18 pm

    The problem with Abbott and the Libs is that they are economically clueless. Their policies, to the extent they are willing to enumerate them seem to be an opportunistic mish-mash of thought-bubbles designed for short-term vote-grabbing expediency. It is hard to see how they will be much of a real improvement on the current lot.

    One good thing that might come out of this is if Labor and the Coalition preference each other ahead of the Greens, who would then be consigned to the lunatic fringe.

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:30 pm

    sp, here in QLD, Noddy Newman New Army, is a classic example of the new brush being as dirty as the old one …

    … and the LNP’s “faceless Robber Barons” … one in particular … are busy at work, wheeling, dealing and manipulating $$$ into their pockets at the expense of us plebs …

  365. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:38 pm

    LOL

    So TB

    You now don’t actually care who your Robber Barons are ?

  366. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:39 pm

    The Chinese have a low inflation number, which gives some flexibility going forward…according to China Daily.

    ‘The government is expected to take measures to boost growth by further loosening monetary and fiscal policy as inflation eased to a 29-month low in June.

    ‘Consumer prices climbed at their slowest pace in more than two years last month. There was also data from the manufacturing front, with the cost of producing goods falling to a 31-month low.’

  367. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:40 pm

    “The problem with Abbott and the Libs is that they are economically clueless.”

    Yep

    Hockey is cringeworthy when he starts sputtering all over the joint about economics. Robb tends to keep his head down these days I’ve noticed.

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:42 pm

    You now don’t actually care who your Robber Barons are ?

    Mmm … ????? Duh!

    “going forward” … if I hear that going, fkn forward, again … it is the most stupid “business jargon”, I know … and there a re a few

  369. JAWS permalink
    July 10, 2012 5:46 pm

    Yes El Gordo

    I suspect we will get a rather soft set of numbers on Friday with hints of stimulus from the Chinese which will be gobbled up eagerly by the Markets.

    If the numbers are strong then that will be music to the ears of the Markets too.

    So one way or another I predict it will be good news

    The Markets are getting tired of all these EU “action plans” that come out after every meeting. Each plan has less affect on the Market than the previous one.

    Each drawback on that “stimulus bong” is delivering smaller and smaller “hits” and becoming less and less satisfying.

    So the World looks to China

  370. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2012 6:06 pm

    I can’t stand business speak, either, even though I’m not ‘across’ most of it. 🙄

    http://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html

  371. July 10, 2012 6:17 pm

    “it is the most stupid “business jargon”, I know … and there a re a few”

    Consider yourself lucky.

    I had to endure a two and a half hour business conference call today and the BS meter was in overdrive…

    The crap some people say…

    “Let’s take that offline” (translation: “you’re talking shit and everyone’s sick of listening to you, so STFU)

    “What we need is a single source of truth” (translation: “we’re going to do it my way”)

    “We need to review the project plan with the business stakeholders to ensure that the business requirements are being met in accordance with critical milestones and agreed timeframes” (translation: “we should run this past the boss so that when it all turns to shit, which it inevitably will, no one can blame us”)

    “We need to work together as a team” (translation: “I’m going to blame all of you when it all falls to pieces”)

    “We encourage our people to be innovative, challenge traditional thinking and take risks” (translation: “if you fuck this up you’re fired”)

    “Let’s form a committee with the best heads in the room so that we can think through this carefully” (translation: “we’re not smart enough to fix this ourselves. Let’s get some other people to do it so we can blame them when it all turns to shit”)

    “You did a really good job on that project” (translation: “I’m going to take the credit for what you did there”)

    “We recognise our top performers” (translation: “no one’s getting a raise this year”)

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2012 6:37 pm

    I can’t stand business speak, either, even though I’m not ‘across’ most of it

    Chuckle, chuckle! Your a funny sod, sometimes, ToSY! 🙂

    “We recognise our top performers” (translation: “no one’s getting a raise this year”)

    Now you know why I started my own consultancy! AND my income quadrupled almost immediately … LOL! 😆

  373. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2012 7:43 pm

    ‘Obama’s Administration Killed a 16-Year-Old American and Didn’t Say Anything About It. This Is Justice?’

    Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/abdulrahman-al-awlaki-death-10470891#ixzz20D9xSgVM

  374. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 8:23 pm

    The bulk of the cafe crowd are green and I suspect our own dear Kitty is too.

    ‘On economics, the Greens are big taxers and favour income redistribution and the government ownership of public service assets. They would reduce tax breaks for high-income earners, crack down on Capital Gains Tax and Fringe Benefits Tax, and abolish the Private Health Insurance Rebate (something the Labor government has already watered down hugely).

    ‘They would also tax the rich, with a top marginal tax rate of 50 per cent for anyone earning $1 million or over. They would put the company tax rate up to 33 per cent and regulate banks, and ensure “natural monopolies” and other essential public services are under state control.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-greens-loony-extreme-or-just-a-little-leftwing-20120710-21t4f.html#ixzz20DIhtdtP

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2012 9:25 pm

    El Gordo, one of the appealing things about this site is that it has retained people who rationally discuss policy issues, with very little labeling.

    AO is intelligent and articulate, with a sense of humour. She is a lot more than a ‘green’.

  376. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 10, 2012 9:29 pm

    …and by the way, the Cafe crowd aren’t ‘green’ either. Just have a look at their posts on asylum seekers.

  377. Sean permalink
    July 10, 2012 10:30 pm

    The most hated PM in Australian history is visiting Queensland at the moment. I wonder if she’ll visit Kev’s seat to lend him support.

    Those poor ALP members who currently have a seat in Qld are unlikely to be answering their phones if they know she’s nearby

  378. July 11, 2012 1:17 am

    El Gordo, one of the appealing things about this site is that it has retained people who rationally discuss policy issues, with very little labeling.

    AO is intelligent and articulate, with a sense of humour. She is a lot more than a ‘green’.

    Thanks for the kind words tomM.
    el gordo doesn’t have the shared history and perhaps doesn’t quite understand our brand of comraderie. I think he is blinded by his anti CC ideology too, maybe when the red mist clears from his eyes he will be capable of a conversation without feeling the need to pigeon hole or take pot shots at others who don’t share his obsessions.

  379. July 11, 2012 1:58 am

    el gordo @ July 10, 2012 8:23 pm

    On economics, the Greens are big taxers and favour income redistribution and the government ownership of public service assets…

    I liked that article, I thought the policies were all reasonable and nothing at all extremist or loony about them. The two major parties are like woolies and coles, just can’t bear the thought that another player should be allowed to exist and ruin the cosy duopoly of shared power, influence and control.

    If abbott didn’t have the need to appear respectable these days, he’d be trying to recreate his glory days of the ‘australians for honest politics – destroy hanson’ conspiracy [for which he was never held to account]. Labor are going the comical fear/smear route which won’t work as greens supporters aren’t the same as pantzwetting conservatives, they are thinking people who can work out why the two parties are so threatened by them.

  380. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 6:40 am

    ‘….retained people who rationally discuss policy issues, with very little labeling.’

    Yep, thanx Tom I will desist.

  381. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 6:55 am

    Jaws was right about hotels going to Woolies….

    ‘WOOLWORTHS has snapped up another six hotels from the private Waugh family and the de Angelis group for $125 million.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/woolworths-pubshopping-spree-continues-in-full-flow-20120710-21txj.html#ixzz20FsZmtwD

  382. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 7:39 am

    ‘I think he is blinded by his anti CC ideology too,’

    It has colored my thinking…something to do with a tax.

  383. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:17 am

    According to TB, Clive Palmer should be free to dictate Liberal Party policy.

  384. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:56 am

    ‘On economics, the Greens are big taxers and favour income redistribution’

    They won’t like this, then . . .

    The Moral Case for Free Enterprise

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:55 am

    According to TB, Clive Palmer should be free to dictate Liberal Party policy.

    What medication are you on, James, or is it just fatigue, incomprehension or dyslexia?

    I have never said, “should be free to” … I simply said, HE FKN DOES! Clivey owns Noddy Newmans Circus and everything it does … I suspect he tried it on with your hero, Abbott, too a few days ago and got short shrift and told to piss off up to Katterland and leave Lilley alone (pity ’cause it would be interesting to see him actually electioneering in my electorate!)

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:55 am

    Interestingly Tim Dunlop comes to a similar conclusion to the one I reached years ago. Obviously I don’t specifically share his political orientation, but the journey towards cynicism commences with realisation that the ALP is controlled by self serving union hacks and factional warlords with no interest in actual people.

    Who the fuck am I meant to vote for at the next Federal election? This is not a rhetorical question. I really want to know. Who is meant to get my vote? Who do I trust to do the right thing most of the time, and how do I minimise the inevitable disappointment of supporting people who will, with a high degree of predictability, do things I hate? Not just disagree with, or squirm a bit about, but actively hate. How?
    ————-
    It isn’t just the fact that her policies on asylum seekers or gay marriage are a species of inhumanity that no ‘progressive’ voter could ever just rationalise away, or even that her endless homilies on hard work and education are nothing more than paeans to some of the worst aspects of neo-liberalism that make it impossible to forgive other aspects of her program that I would be willing to paper over in the name of realpolitik.
    No, what lights a roman candle of despair beneath my rectum is that she seems to hold in contempt the left of the political ecosphere in a way that is politically dumb.
    —————
    As I argued here last month, she has disenfranchised that class of progressive who could normally be counted on to back a Labor Prime Minister

    http://www.kingstribune.com/magazines/january-2012/1420-i-have-a-question-and-my-question-is-this

  387. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:01 am

    Mmmmmmmm……………!

    I’d say Tim Dunlop has just become Public Enemy No. 1 on a whole lot of blogs

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:08 am

    As I argued here last month, she has disenfranchised that class of progressive who could normally be counted on to back a Labor Prime Minister

    ToM, I think that just about sums up a couple of us “lefties” left (hehe) posting here too … not that I’ve ever considered myself to be “progressive” …

    … unless it means progressing society to be more tolerant of each other in our daily lives, (political blogs being the exception 😉 ) and recognising that some people are not as lucky, talented, skilled, capable, healthy (in all aspects of the meaning), economically “assisted” by birth and/or position as others, or in some way incapable of becoming contributing members of society … and that individual selfishness does not progress society itself but destroys it from withing … the recognition of synergy – the sum of its individual parts being greater than the whole …

    Too many “individuals” these days expect the group to provide without adding to the pot!

  389. July 11, 2012 10:11 am

    I suspect he tried it on with your hero, Abbott, too a few days ago and got short shrift and told to piss off up to Katterland and leave Lilley alone

    And you don’t think that’s to Abbott’s credit?

  390. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:15 am

    I can kind of understand the LibNats shoring up the redneck vote. That’s the constituency of the National Party in much of the country.

    I can also kind of understand people with religious convictions may oppose marriage equality. That’s largely both Liberals and Nationals.

    I can never understand why a formerly left wing progressive atheist would seek to send asylum seekers to Malaysia, with no hope of returning to Australia. How she can so trenchantly oppose marriage equality, without any philosophical or religious basis, is entirely beyond me.

  391. July 11, 2012 10:16 am

    I’d say Tim Dunlop has just become Public Enemy No. 1 on a whole lot of blogs

    A lot of coffee has recently been spat over a lot of wireless keyboards I’d suggest.

  392. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:19 am

    “(pity ’cause it would be interesting to see him actually electioneering in my electorate!)”

    LOL

    I just had a vision of you opening your front door in Safari Suit with Clive’s eyes lighting up thinking after an entire suburban block of door knocking he’d finally found a friend.

  393. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:21 am

    (I see Cafe Whispers advertises itself as “now troll free” – it’s nice to know that they don’t perpetuate inter blog antagonism)

  394. July 11, 2012 10:27 am

    Wow! That’s a pretty powerful piece by Tim Dunlop…

    I wonder how the cafe mob feel (and the TPS nutjobs) given that he’s now effectively disowned them…

    From Tom’s link…

    I’m even over most of the alternative commentary, the blogs, the outsiders on Twitter, the amateurs and semi-professionals who I always thought cast a new and interesting light on what is going on. Maybe I’m just having a bad year, but some of them are driving me nuts.

    Twitter itself, for all its virtues — and I would seriously be lost without it — has also become a site of pathetic servility and co-optation. With so many ‘serious people’ now on there, so many ‘big names’, there has been a discouraging outbreak of brown-nosing as the Outsiders try and gracefully lodge their heads in the arses of the Insiders. The edge has gone out of the critique of the alt.commentary team and they are [nearly] all starstruck. They used to want to show up the shortcomings of the professionals; now they want to be their followers. Fuck that.

    New media is no longer providing a challenge to the mainstream, it is serving to entrench it.

    Oh how we laughed and laughed and laughed……!!! 🙂

  395. July 11, 2012 10:32 am

    “now troll free”

    Funny how they seem to think that anyone that disagrees with them is therefore by default “a troll.”

    As I’ve said on a number of occasions, they really don’t handle dissenting views particularly well…

    They prefer an “echo chamber” to robust debate… I guess that’s their prerogative…

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:36 am

    ”They prefer an “echo chamber” to robust debate… “ or testing by people with a really sharp intellect, like Scaper.

  397. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 10:59 am

    ‘unless it means progressing society to be more tolerant of each other in our daily lives, (political blogs being the exception;-))’

    It’s good you pointed out that exception, because now I can stop wondering why some of the most ‘compassionate’ people on the interwebs, who hold all the ‘right’ opinions, can be among the least pleasant to deal with. (Not you, TB. Necessarily. 😉 )

  398. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 11:05 am

    So how is “Troll”defined since their disclaimer says this…………….
    ***************************************
    “The owners of this blog reserve the right to edit or delete any comments submitted to this blog without notice due to:

    1. Comments deemed to be spam or questionable spam
    2. Comments including profanity

    3. Comments containing language or concepts that could be deemed offensive

    4. Comments that attack a person individually”

    Which therefore raises the following questions

    Question 1:Does ToM or reb “spam”………………….?

    Answer: No

    Question 2: Do they swear or use profanity

    Answer: Nah……………………but the blogmaster over there does tell posters to “fuck off” from time to time

    Question 3: Does ToM or reb promote concepts that could be deemed offensive

    Answer: As reb would say “Oh how we laughed and laughed” at that one

    Question 4: Does ToM or reb attack a person “individually”.

    Answer: How else do you attack a person but “individually” ?

    But anyway I do hope that rules out attacks on Tony Abbott as well

    LOL

  399. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 11:08 am

    “They prefer an “echo chamber” to robust debate… I guess that’s their prerogative…”

    Yeah

    Leave them be

    But that doesn’t mean we cant laugh at them.

    Perhaps they need a Paywall…………………….LOL

  400. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 11:20 am

    The whole place is a big cubby house.

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 11:47 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/polling

    It’s interesting that the ALP barrackers continually blame the media for the poor popularity of the ALP.

    This indicates that Gillard is as popular as Abbott for PM, if the thesis of the barrackers was correct, Abbott would be way, way in front.

    The fact is, it’s the ALP that is severely on the nose. It is correctly seen by the electorate as monolithic, controlled by sectional interests, unconnected with actual people. It is a machine fuelled by squalid, unsavoury deals.

    It isn’t the media that has created this ALP, they have taken themselves there.

  402. July 11, 2012 11:56 am

    “if the thesis of the barrackers was correct, Abbott would be way, way in front.”

    Exactly. But they always fall silent when confronted with that inconvenient fact…

    It tends to interfere with their “the hate media is responsible for Gillard’s poor polling” mantra.

    Similarly it detracts from their collective belief that they are part of “the intellectual few” who have some sort of rare insight into the real state of poltics in Australia.

    Oddly enough, the polls tend to be pretty much spot on in terms of how election results end up fairing up.

  403. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 12:03 pm

    Looks like its no longer a “troll free zone”

    Just sayin’

  404. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2012 12:14 pm

    Yes, apparently –
    • The public was intelligent and informed in 2007, there was a decline in intelligence in 2010, and people are really stupid and easily influenced now.
    • The media gives Abbott a great run, and punishes Gillard, but somehow Gillard remains as popular as Abbott.
    • The media was heavily biased to the ALP in 2007, balanced in 2010, and is now pushing the conservatives.

  405. July 11, 2012 1:08 pm

    The public was intelligent and informed in 2007, there was a decline in intelligence in 2010, and people are really stupid and easily influenced now.

    Well, abbott has got away with simple slogans of hate and outright sexism and offered nothing to intelligent debate about political issues. The ‘she lied’ has been accepted by the public when it isn’t true and in an occupation where they all lie – abbott and the lib/nats are some of the biggest exponents of the lie. A spoon-fed apathetic public has accepted his phony ‘honest tony’ re-creation of himself. Politics under his opposition has become so nasty, spiteful, personal, hateful and divisive – it’s not intelligence to drive a lynch mob mentality of bullying, hatred and sexism, pretty easy to play to people’s fears and prejudices.

    The media gives Abbott a great run, and punishes Gillard, but somehow Gillard remains as popular as Abbott.

    What other reason can there be for the man never being challenged by [mainly newsltd] journalists? Newsltd journos behind the scenes, dining with him, collaborating to manufacture scandals and headlines. Abbott and his little hi-vis doorstop stunts at lib friendly businesses where he says nothing new, just ‘she did, she said, she, she, she’ [refuses to say JG by name just calls her ‘she’]. Then walks away when confronted by anyone who dares to ask him a hard question, one that exposes his inconsistency and hypocrisy, that’s not balance, it is bias. He doesn’t deserve the media attention that he gets for the little policy debate he has to offer.

    The media was heavily biased to the ALP in 2007, balanced in 2010, and is now pushing the conservatives.

    The media is never biased to the ALP, the default position is always pro liberal and then ‘war on ALP’ if they gain government.

  406. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 1:37 pm

    The Gillard government should do something about the unfair treatment they receive from the biased Hate Media.

    They could hold a show trial an enquiry into the media, chaired by a sympathetic retired judge, and assisted by a hand-picked media academic. The enquiry could conclude that it’s in the public interest to have a fair and balanced media. It could recommend a tribunal where selected arbiters of good journalism would rule on what content is helpful to the government appropriate and acceptable.

    The next step would be to introduce a ‘fit and proper person’ test for media proprietors, ensuring media companies are owned only by people allied to Labor and the greens of the highest character.

    But that’s all just wishful thinking, sadly. There’s no way a government could get away with anything like that in an free and open liberal democracy like ours.

  407. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 1:40 pm

    “It could recommend a tribunal where selected arbiters of good journalism would rule on what content is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx appropriate and acceptable. ”

    Death to Trolls

  408. July 11, 2012 1:50 pm

    They could hold a show trial an enquiry into the media,

    Make that a royal commission please, nothing less. There’s plenty of collusion and corruption to be exposed.

  409. July 11, 2012 1:56 pm

    “Well, abbott has got away with simple slogans of hate and outright sexism and offered nothing to intelligent debate about political issues”

    Perhaps, but in some circles, even traditional Coalition inclined ones, the game appears to be up…

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Tony-Abbott-Coalition-policy-Insiders-Malcolm-Turn-pd20120711-W3RLL?opendocument&src=idp&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=76917&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary

  410. July 11, 2012 2:08 pm

    So it appears that Julia has said that the reason the G20 is going to be held in Brisbane is because they have “fasillidees” and “abillidees” (whatever they are)…

  411. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 11, 2012 2:27 pm

    “Make that a royal commission please, nothing less. There’s plenty of collusion and corruption to be exposed.”

    Yep. I want to know how a bunch of lefty journalists at the ABC have hijacked a public resource to push their political agendas. The Royal Commission should have power to refer this theft of public resources to the Federal Police.

  412. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 2:39 pm

    ‘The latest official Prime Ministerial pronunciations

  413. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 3:41 pm

    Sorry ToSy but I can top yours with the real latest

    Apparently she finished a speech in Queensland a few hours ago where she reiterated her support for her government’s assistance to the seaside town of “Yep-On” (her pronuciation).

    Most of us Rightwing Nutjobs are more familiar with the usual pronunciation of Yepoon.

    That’ll go down well with QUEENSLANDERS no doubt

  414. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 4:03 pm

    ‘…lefty journalists at the ABC have hijacked a public resource to push their political agendas.’

    They brainwashed the population with bias and deceit …I think its time we smashed the place up. Where’s Mark Latham?

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2012 4:44 pm

    The fact is, it’s the ALP that is severely on the nose. It is correctly seen by the electorate as monolithic, controlled by sectional interests, unconnected with actual people. It is a machine fuelled by squalid, unsavoury deals.

    I agree with that … but as the LiNats become more and more entrenched, I’l be able to post the following …

    The fact is, it’s the Liberal National Coalition that is severely on the nose. It is correctly seen by the electorate as monolithic, controlled by sectional interests, unconnected with actual people. It is a machine fuelled by squalid, unsavoury deals.

    In fact it’s already begun in state LibNat Governments …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep. I want to know how a bunch of lefty journalists at the ABC have hijacked a public resource to push their political agendas.

    Could you name them for me, please, sp … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’ll go down well with QUEENSLANDERS no doubt

    Most of us up here are used to iggorant Mexican PRONUNCIATION (tut, tut, Wally) of our (more precisely Aboriginal place names) …

    My favourite was a Pommie bloke, visiting his family, (friends of my parents), who wanted to go to Enoggera … he pronounced it En … o … geera

    … (for the uninitiated its pronounced – Inogra)

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