Midweek Meltdown!
July 11, 2012
Here is a midweek open discussion thread, especially dedicated to those poor souls who now feel all at sea over their blind allegiance to Ms Gillard.
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Reb, why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit.
No central government or authority planned or coordinated the ‘roll-out’ of the internet, and no government or authority controls it now. It is the ultimate example of what Adam Smith called the ‘invisible hand’.
“Every individual necessarily labours to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it … He intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for society that it was no part of his intention. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good.”
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/invisiblehand.asp#ixzz20IEygrrW”
The NBN, on the other hand, is centrally planned by government and controlled by a bureaucracy. The question is not whether the NBN in its current form will fail. The question is when.
🙂 Tom
I see this thread may also attract those with “other” blind allegiances … 😉
ToM’s not only on the wrong thread he’s on the wrong blog … 😉
“Reb, why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit.”
Why are people so unkind…?
Comedy gold!
CU is laying down the law at the cafe…
“Iain, Jarl and scaper and to all other that it applies.
You are guests on this site.
What gives any of you the right to push your views down the throats of others..”
Perhaps some mass bannings might return “order”..?
Oh and a certain Blogmaster (the “Bush Lawyer” who used to drop by here) over there claims to have studied the Law. Which was news to me. Otherwise it being very misleading of them.
Dare I say on purpose to give further authority to what the Blogmaster posts ?
I suppose I can claim that I studied the Law since I studied Company Law, Constitutional Law, Trade Practices and Consumer Law, Income Taxation Law, Indirect Tax Law.
But know I dont claim to have studied the Law as that would be grossly misleading on the blogosphere as I was doing those aspects of the Law to finish an Economics and Accounting Degree.
People like Sancty study the Law.
Its like me claiming to be a Carpenter and Joiner after closely studying the instructions of a friggin’ IKEA Flatpack
Everyone, why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit.
LOL..! 🙂
What did someone once say………….?
“Blogging Can Be Fun”
People like Sancty study the Law.
Mrs. Sancty?
We all study “parts” of law not all LAW …
‘Perhaps some mass bannings might return “order”..?’
A Pat poem is in order.
I see that the cafe now lays claim to being for “grown ups”
How sanctimonious 🙄
Maybe one day they’ll simply admit that they’re “for Gillard Apologists.”
Particularly when you consider the recent candid revelations of Tim Dunlop.
But I doubt we’ll see any such display of candour.
Smelly Dunlop is a H A T E R .
This whole webwarz thingy seems to be cyclical in nature.
L I F E I S L I K E A B O X O F C H O C O L A T E S…
run, forest, runHahaha, I just realised that teh Iain Hall is infesting the Cafe! A grown up if ever there was one! 😯
In conjunction with the mental giant, scaper, and a guy who names himself after a Skyrim character from Ragnvald.
No doubt, that is a high calibre of dissent they have going on there, I can see why the obscure threats are necessary to keep the dark forces at bay.
It’s “pseudo nice” and “faux open dialogue” over at Cafe Whispers.
The discussion on asylum seekers is all about ALP vs Liberals off shore processing, without the complication of anyone suggesting that both are a crock of shit.
It’s well suited to the opposing intellectual giants of scaper and Iain Hall. They’ll give Min and Catching Up a run for their money!
Catching Up is a force to be reckoned with.
Mock her at your peril…!
Yeah, there are some intellectual heavyweights ‘elsewhere, apparently. 🙄
Similar to the intellectual heavyweights here who’ve got nothing better to do than bag out contributors on another blog. Really deep, intellectual discourse 🙄
I notice Tom of Melbourne has been elevated to the status of right-wing “pet” at The Political Sword too. Well done Tom!
If I had my way, Tom would’ve been banned long ago.
Sad really makes a good point.
I’ve ever been inclined to take myself so seriously that I object to light hearted needling.
Mind you, “Sad really” obviously thinks blogging is so very serious that contributors who-
• remain on topic
• don’t respond to taunts
• put up with being characterised as a “turd”
• reply politely to derision
• and are inconveniently proven correct by head of state announcements
… are so very troublesome, they deserve to be banned.
On the other hand, Sad really, “why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit”, to quote someone you might know.
‘…nothing better to do than bag out contributors on another blog.’
This is a dedicated thread designed for the purpose of laughing at those at TPS and CW who have lost the plot.
The other day at CW (before I banned myself) I was having a conversation about the weather (on the appropriate thread) and someone called out ‘troll’. That didn’t concern me and I carried on, then the locals began putting up pop songs from last century in a ‘look over there’ opportunity.
Amusingly boorish and its no wonder Dunlop is horrified by the barrackers at those places…intellectual pygmies.
Enjoy your G20 TB and Kitty.
You’ll love it as much as an infestation of black plague I suspect.
Despite all the grandstanding by NSW liberals having been thru APEC I
can assure you that ordinary people in Sydney feel as though they thankfully
missed a bullet
To give credit where it is due I hope and think Steve smith in defense might have finally started to prise open that cesspit called the hierarchy of the ADF
In fact he seems to be the only one doing his job of implementing policy that ordinary people want without sticking his head up every couple of minutes for a tv grab
Yes el gordo
If you want to be abused just go to CW or TPS
Us here are pussycats
ToM
How does onshore processing stop people getting on boats ?
Just curious as I just have a problem with drownings rather than people being processed.
The free-market case against big business
‘The most dangerous enemies of capitalism today are capitalists. This is becoming clearer every day to people committed to free markets.
The conservative and libertarian grassroots came to deeply distrust big business after the Wall Street bailouts and Obama’s stimulus and health care bills, both of which had big-business backing.’
(Otay.)
This whole webwarz thingy seems to be cyclical in nature.
L I F E I S L I K E A B O X O F C H O C O L A T E S…
You do know what you’re gonna get with this box though, sadly it always ends in tears.
…By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good.” …
charities?
More Smith:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith
“The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”[120]
Moreover, in this passage Smith goes on to specify progressive, not flat, taxation:
“The rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion”[121]…
…Noam Chomsky has argued[N 3] that several aspects of Smith’s thought have been misrepresented and falsified by contemporary ideology, including Smith’s reasons for supporting markets and Smith’s views on corporations. Chomsky argues that Smith supported markets in the belief that they would lead to equality, and that Smith opposed wage labor and corporations… [wiki]
After 17 years & countless acts of lovable canine craziness, I finally put my old girl to sleep for the last time late yesterday afternoon.
Anyone who really knows me most likely knew her too, she was my shadow & had kept vigil by my side since I was 20.
Waking up this morning to a house without my mate has been tough. There is an empty spot on my left knee where she sat & a hole in my heart that will hurt for a long while.
It is one of the most difficult decisions I’ve ever had to make; but it was the only choice that was right for her. She had finally run out of terrier juice & each day was becoming a progressively harder struggle for her to get around.
TJ & I slept the last night with her in the lounge in front of the heater. She was comfortable & content & peaceful.
We’re gonna miss her yapping & scrapping & running underfoot.
Goodbye, Old Friend.
Thanks for sharing that, boss. My condolences.
Ah, Toilet, been there and it’s just such a sad thing.
Mentioned to Li’l Sancty the other day that when we’ve moved, I’ll be getting him a puppy. It’s one of my strongly held beliefs that every little boy should have a dog if possible. Was all geared up for a long running war with Mrs Sancty on the issue. I also hold a belief that in marriage there is only one fight in ten worth winning, and that one is best conceding the other nine, but never conceding that one. This was to be one of those. Surprisingly, all I got from Mrs Sancty was “Well you’ll be responsible for feeding and walking the bloody thing!”
Somehow, I think I’ve been played.
Very sorry to hear about that boss…
I know what you’re going through. It’s very sad. I know that she would have a had a good life. That is the main thing. And you will find that the profound sadness you’re going through at the moment will gradually be replaced with fond memories..
That’s very sad. Pets are part of a family, particularly for kids that grow up with them. Adults too.
Really really sorry to hear about that TJ.
I’m sure you gave your furry friend the best life she could ever have hoped for and for that I’m sure she will be eternally thankful.
Very sorry to hear about your old mate, boss. We could tell how much she meant to you by the way you used to talk about her. It’s like we knew her too, in some small way. (Even Crows supporting death metal freaks have hearts, apparently. 😉 )
Waking up this morning to a house without my mate has been tough
Been there, mate … February, 1988, a boxer, his name was Trek … and we still miss him … could never replace him … but as, sreb, says, you will have fond mem’ries (and photos no doubt) …
Thoughts are with you and yours …
Sorry to see your post toiletboss, i was in tears reading it. A loyal and loving dog & owner.
Sounds like she was in a fair bit of pain in the end, if life gets like that for me i would hope i am allowed such a ‘good death’ too.
Sad days my friend-I’m feeling for you.
Hope you plan to raise a glass in a tribute toast or two, maybe get shit-faced!
Thankyou all.
Your kind words mean a lot.
OK
After watching the news from overseas and Wall Street and the ASX I get the feeling we might be about to have a reasonable rally on the Market come tomorrow (another shocker today with BHP and Woodside almost going sub $30
Even if the Chinese GDP numbers are bad/soft there will be plenty of scope for them to stimulate their economy without an outbreak of inflation. So the Market should hold up.
If the Chinese numbers are good then the Market will rally anyway on that fact alone.
In Europe Spain has just announced more cuts in government spending and a higher VAT to cut their deficit. Overnight the yields on Spanish debt went to mid 6s which is still very bad………..but getting better. That combined with the rescue package of its Banks leads me to believe that the shoring up of Spain is now well underway.
Once that’s done Italy will be a lesser problem. However they will still divorce Greece in the New Year I reckon. They’ll give them a few Billion and kiss them goodbye on good terms and gently request them not to whinge about the Germans.
Kinda like Cruise and Holmes and don’t whinge about Scientology I s’pose .
With an achievable plan to move to full fiscal union within the EU they might be able to muddle through their crisis until……………………………….the end of next week.
The EU will still languish in recession but we might just might be scraping along the bottom right now.
And yeah…………………….I got quite a bit of $ riding on all this now
Vanity Fair: Christopher Hitchens’s introduction to George Orwell’s diaries.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/08/christopher-hitchens-george-orwell
Tripleplus Fucked & seriously disturbing developments, were they to be implemented by any Australian government…
http://www.news.com.au/technology/govt-defends-need-to-keep-internet-data/story-e6frfro0-1226424390925
Just to clarify, for kitty.
Thankfully she was in no pain. Unfortunately there is no cure for being really, really old. Blind, deaf, weak & ailing.
I think she’d have kept on going & going, but the amount of 24hr attention required was not feasible.
I completely share your sentiments about dignified death for humans too. The green dream was suddden, painless & not foreboding. We should all have the option. Another great example of stupid fucking religious dogma getting in the way of sensible compassion.
* thanks again, for all of your lovely comments. We’ve read & appreciated them here. It’s been a hard week.
Soylent Green, HD … for you …
Noice, ToSY … (much better than flash dancing!)
It should be a personal choice, TB.
Soylent Nutritional Option…notsomuch.
It appears that the cafe folk are now venturing (if they hadn’t already) into completely delusional and unhinged territory…
Miglo says:
“I don’t think the level of spite coming from the wing nuts is random, rather, that it’s orchestrated. Every left wing blog site and every pro Gillard Facebook group has come under sustained attack recently. It’s nasty and abusive. It’s full on.”
You mean like:
“Reb, why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit.” ~ Miglo
I really don’t see any evidence of this so-called “nasty, abusive spite” other than from what’s emanating from Miglo himself.
Psychiatrists would probably call this “projection.”
Soylent Nutritional Option…notsomuch.
I agree, HD, but I just like the approach that SG took to voluntary euthanasia (I agree with thee and KL – not unusual 😛 )
It’s not usually my go to comment on Teh Blogwarz but that’s just Naskingesque paranoid conspiracy theorising.
Neither do I, ToSY, but I did like your “flash post” … 😉
😉
I know ToSY, as evidenced by “every pro Gillard Facebook group” accusation.
I note that they have completely ignored any discussion of Tim Dunlop’s recent criticism of the Gillard Government and instead respond with the defiant “Why I still vote Labor.”
Gone is any semblence of relatively objective political discourse. It’s just become a fringe group of rusted on Gillard supporters in much the same vein as teh “Political Sword.”
But at least they’re now showing their true colours I suppose. Any sort of interest in discussing the political landscape of the day is now clearly viewed from a pro-Gillard perspective and anything else simply won’t be tolerated (as Tom found out).
Sad really.
I’ve never been a big fan of the Rolling Stones but today is their 50th Aniversary …
I actually sing some of their songs this is always a favourite …
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/rolling-stones-mark-50th-anniversary/story-e6frfkui-1226424779350
So’s this one … 😆
‘Every left wing blog site and every pro Gillard Facebook group has come under sustained attack recently.’
Not an organised conspiracy, just widespread disillusionment with Julia and a turning of the the political tide. Or it might all be Tim Dunlop’s fault, I heard he’s a kingmaker.
What will happen to those blogs devoted to Princess Julia?
“Satisfaction”
What, the Val Doonican version….?
And no, I couldn’t give a flying fk about the “family feud” and “changing the subject” …
This is Midweek Meltdown … WGAF!
What, the Val Doonican version….?
Noice! Why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit!
“What will happen to those blogs devoted to Princess Julia?”
Oh, they’ll probably all just kill themselves
Oops! Forgot … 😆
“Noice! Why don’t you grow up, fuck off, and stop your bullshit!”
LOL, I really do wonder what I did to deserve that from Miglo.
The last correspondence I had with Migs was to wish him well in his decision to look after his health and leave his job. He replied in kind, thanking me for my support. Next thing, I’m being told to just “fuck off,” but apparantly it’s “them” who are under “attack” (go figure)…..
Mick spilled his seed in/on David Bowie…or so it’s been alleged today. 😯
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/entertainment/david-bowies-wife-angie-saw-him-naked-in-bed-with-rolling-stones-singer-mick-jagger-unauthorised-biography-claims/story-e6fredpu-1226422915748
Not that there’s anything wrong with that. It’s just lurid & scandalous.
That’s old news boss…
On more contemporary matters, Ian Thorpe apparently has his own line in “pearl necklaces”.
Bet it’s not the first time he’s worn one…. 😉
😯
It certainly is bearesque.
I find the refusal to accept that a lot of people see things a different way astonishing. Dismissing all criticism of the government/Gillard/whatever as trolling/conspiracy & defining anyone but a rusted-on as a rightwing or wingnuts…it just defies logic.
It’s like some kind of desperate self justification which can’t be conceded for fear of tarnishing an established position.
Seriously, a lot of ’em are smart people, but they’re slavish & embarassing in their devotion. It just doesn’t bear scrutiny.
Blaming vast conspiracies & asserting that dissenters are agents of the other side is the last refuge of those who’ve painted themselves into a corner. The final stand of apologists.
Totally concur Boss. It just defies all logic and is completely devoid of “what’s actually happening in ‘the real world”.
I’m actually quite concerned.
Self affirmation is something that humanz seem to naturally gravitate towards. Let’s face it, it’s comfortable, it’s unchallenging & it probably makes a man/woman think that they’re arriving at the correct conclusions because everyone around them is saying very similar stuff.
That’s not to say that there’s not some merit in what they say. Just that once it’s been said, well, it’s been said…everything after that point is generally convenient agreement.
I prefer a bit of niggle & polar opposites either reminding me of why I hold the opinions I hold…or chipping away at the edges with nuance, explanation, rationalisation & otherwise unheard justification. It’s much more interesting & it ensures healthy scepticism & evolution of opinion.
“That’s not to say that there’s not some merit in what they say. Just that once it’s been said, well, it’s been said…everything after that point is generally convenient agreement.”
Indeed. I think the “danger” arises when anyone who dissents from the prevailing view is simply slammed as “a troll” or worse, just banned, as Tom has experienced.
It’s a lazy form of imposing conformity and silencing dissent.
Accusing others of what they are guilty of themselves is the final stage in their own false sense of persecution and self aggrandisment.
It is a completely delusional state, with the “persecuted” participants both fuelling their own sense of “persecution” as if they were somehow “chosen” to champion “the cause”.
It is cult like behaviour, which is why I am a bit concerned…
Groupthink!
True TB, but one of them is “a friend” (even tho he told me to fuck off), and given that he has revealed he is suffering from a certain “condition” I am genuinely concerned.
‘Let’s face it, it’s comfortable, it’s unchallenging’ and intellectually shallow. There is no other way to explain why people defend the indefensible…its faith based.
In Sydney we call “friends” like that “cnuts” !
Some of you give your so called friends far too many chances.
“What will happen to those blogs devoted to Princess Julia?”
“Oh, they’ll probably all just kill themselves”
I like a sense of certainty.
How do we organize an immediate double dissolution ?
In retrospect my commenting at Cafe Whispers was bound to end as it did. Miglo only wanted to insult me, and others prefer to label and deride rather than debate.
In my defence, I was only attracted back there after Min commented (here) that “no one is banned at Cafe Whispers”. “News to me” I thought.
Fortunately, this is a site where there is a great deal degree of respect offered, combined with humorous needling.
It is interesting to note that during recent times both Miglo and Min have commented here, and were treated with far more consideration and deference than either reb or I experienced at their site!
People here have a greater sense of inclusiveness and value diversity.
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However, I’ve had a great meal, combined with a 2006 Penfolds Bin 389, and that’s as good as eating and drinking gets.
Interesting you bring up the subject of wine. Mrs Jaws ad a white quaffer quite like villa Maria Sauvignon blanc which retails at uncle Dan Murphy’s at around the $14 mark sometimes $13 . I usually but it in lots of 6 at a time.
Imagine my delight this afternoon when I googled it and found someone selling the exact same 2011 wine for $9.95.
It was a bottle shop in New York.
Fuck I hate the spell checker on phones. Half of that last post seems weird
And yes ToM
There are few (if any) attacks on correspondents here
These days.
Perhaps kitty, tj and tb could comment from a more neutral angle
I think things have looked up since that nutcase walrus disappeared.
LOL
Thankfully she was in no pain. Unfortunately there is no cure for being really, really old. Blind, deaf, weak & ailing.
She had a wonderful life with you toiletboss, and she was well loved. I’m sure her last days and hours were happy and contented ones at the only place she wanted to be, right by your side. She must have been a great little companion and personality. Have you buried her at your home?
I think Russell Mark should be able to room with his spouse at the Olympics.
In retrospect my commenting at Cafe Whispers was bound to end as it did
And in defence of, Migs … he has had some private (and serious) issues to deal with recently … as indicated by, sreb, above …
Can I make a request that it is now left behind … picking at sores only make them worse …
Hmmm….why can’t we attack the organisations CW and TPS? They are getting away scott free to carry on barracking…as a collective they should be mocked. Tim Dunlop would probably agree with my sentiments.
“Hmmm….why can’t we attack the organisations CW and TPS?”
Because they’ll put Senator Conroy onto us
Why “attack” anyone? FMD!
I’m not looking to specifically mock, but-
• If you set yourself up as a political blog
• Post on another site that no one is banned
• Can’t handle pointed and opposing commentary
• Arbitrarily ban people
…then there is bound to be a few pointed comments made about that, and certainly I would always reserve my position to post here about it, given that I can’t post there.
I think that laughing at & badgering abject partisan drones is fine. But it doesn’t need to be personalised.
One man’s attack is another man’s jest or rebuttal.
Worth remembering that none of it has been one sided.
‘I would always reserve my position to post here about it, given that I can’t post there.’
Hear hear….
I think there is sufficient established deceit that makes them fair game.
ASX rockets after China growth slows to a “pathetic” 7.6% p.a.
Amusing when you consider how many world leaders would kill for a number like that
‘a “pathetic” 7.6% p.a.’
Yeah, but let’s thank the celestial entities it wasn’t below 7 or worldwide depression would definitely have been on the cards.
Not wishing to offend TB anymore than necessary, if we let the cafe mob go unchallenged and yet allow them to remain on the TDT blog roll… by mere association we are tainted in the eyes of history.
As James said, they are ‘fair game’.
Here is a typical example from CU…
‘Does this sound familiar. Could it apply to trolls. Trolls appear to have one point of view, that they stick to, no matter the arguments put up in opposition.’
The irony is obvious, but not happy to leave well enough alone she invokes Dunning/Kruger as a slur on all of us here at TDT.
Isn’t it amusing.
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury states today that the GST will be charged on top of the Carbon Tax.
Climate Change Secretary Mark Dreyfuss states today that the GST will NOT be charged on top of the Carbon Tax.
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury and Climate Change Minister Greg Combet declare jointly that …..”The GST does not apply to the carbon price, it applies to the supply of goods and services.”
Meanwhile in the Real World, a World where hundreds of millions of dollars worth of invoicing software applies the GST as the last add on for invoices………..
“………NSW electricity companies also confirmed the 10 per cent GST would be applied to power bills after the carbon tax had been added………………”
Seriously……to say these people are fucking idiots is an insult to the intelligence of fucking idiots
And before anyone jumps on and says change the software well that’s well and good but the cost of that will be passed on in higher prices plus the Carbon Tax gets scrapped for an ETS in 3 years.
So it would be a waste of money.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/gst-on-carbon-tax-is-inefficient-hockey/story-fn3dxiwe-1226425059834
‘Does this sound familiar. Could it apply to trolls. Trolls appear to have one point of view, that they stick to, no matter the arguments put up in opposition.’
I bet she recited that staring into a mirror.
We’re all trolls now… 🙄
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/former-premier-hates-to-say-he-told-us-so-20120713-220f2.html
…and who would possibly disagree that poker machines are about the greatest blight on the community? They prey on human weakness, and addicts commit much of the white collar crime. They’re a canker.
John Cain is entirely right to keep saying “I told you so”
Yeah………I just about wet myself laughing when I saw that post.
Talk about self description……!
“………John Cain is entirely right to keep saying “I told you so”…………”
I’m just happy no one around here carries on like he does with the “I told you so”
LOL
”Trolls appear to have one point of view, that they stick to, no matter the arguments put up in opposition.’
I suppose the definition of a “non troll” then is someone who continues to argue without a clear position, who has no philosophical basis for their opinion, allowing it to change at a whim, or according to the latest political manoeuvring.
That seems to meet their definition too!!
The “non-trolls” have no capacity for independent thought beyond that of Sydney taxi drivers. The only difference is that they take their “thought bubble for the day” from whatever policy position Julia Gillard has on any given day, rather than Alan Jones.
… rather than Alan Jones …
LOL! Like some of the posters who turn up around here do! 😆
I don’t like the whole ‘troll’ epithet. It’s lazy & dismissive & used all to often as a talk-to-the-hand. The type of rebuttal you’d expect from kindy kids.
It shits me that people would accept in the current government shit that they would have screeched themselves breathless over when/if Howard did it.
They make it seem like there are only two choices & one is the antithesis of the other; that’s just crap.
“antithesis” … bugger me! Big word for Friday, Toillette …
Just finished, “1915 The Death of Innocence”, thought I might take the plunge and get stuck into the, Game of Thrones, ebooks I “found” on the net …
How long before the second series finishes?
It’s been finished for a while, TB.
They’ve begun filming Season 3 in the last couple of weeks.
I can’t recommend the books highly enough. Waaaay better than the TV adaption (which is excellent!).
Books are always better (Dune was a classic case of the movie only made sense if you’d read the bookS … )
So if its finished I should be able to buy my BD copies … off for a bit of a surf … 😉
“… off for a bit of a surf …
??Really? What kind?
Not your kind … ToM … the closest I ever got to your kind of surfing was limited to playing and/or singing on the stage at the clubs! (and chatting up the chicks left on the beach the next day … 😉 )
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Toillettte, found one copy on eBay (Australia) for $90 delivered … all region/NTSC/PAL sealed … I’ll wait …
“… off for a bit of a surf …”
“Surf ‘n’ turf” probably.
That hideous 70’s abomination that saw two mutually exclusive foodstuffs (prawns typically) paired with what would have been a perfectly good steak (or maybe not so good knowing how much of a tightarse TB is).
Apparently, in some cafe circles people still eat that muck.
““Surf ‘n’ turf” probably.”
Nothing better than seeing rare fillet bleed into a charred bit of lobster tail.