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July 20, 2012

Hello, and good afternoon!

And what an extrordinary week on the blogosphere it’s been.

Who could forget the dramatic meltdown over at teh cafe this week? Well apparently “everyone”.

It appears that the entire “cafe chat V” thread that featured accusations of adulterous relationships, rampant control freaks overthrowing long-standing administrators and deleting comments all over the place for any whim or fancy has now been completely  erased!

Perhaps it never really happened.

Presumably it’s simply vanished in the interests of maintaining the thin veneer of unity and harmony under the “Team Gillard” banner.

Nevertheless, the damage has been done, and it’s clear for all to see that behind the scenes there are power struggles, factions and infighting, which is not too disimilar to the Gillard government when you think about it, I suppose.

Anyway, here is another open discussion thread.

Have at it…

reb.

 

 

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  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 20, 2012 4:41 pm

    “accusations of adulterous relationships, rampant control freaks overthrowing long-standing administrators and deleting comments all over the place for any whim or fancy”

    Sounds like the goings on at the student’s union of a third tier Uni. How old are these people?

  2. Facts have never been big here anyway I suppose permalink
    July 20, 2012 4:56 pm

    It appears that the entire “cafe chat V” thread that featured accusations of adulterous relationships, rampant control freaks overthrowing long-standing administrators and deleting comments all over the place for any whim or fancy has now been conpletely erased!

    Perhaps it never really happened.

    Except, it hasn’t been deleted at all.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2012 5:01 pm

    ” … has now been conpletely (sic) erased!”

    Nothing on the internet is “completely erased” … bits still “drift around” … like “space junk”, I suppose … 🙂

  4. Mot of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 5:17 pm

    What a pity people are so bashful about posting under their usual blog names.

  5. July 20, 2012 5:32 pm

    Hey “Facts have never been big here anyway I suppose”

    Why don’t you grow up, fuck off and stop your bullshit!

  6. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:08 pm

    “What a pity people are so bashful about posting under their usual blog names. “

    I thought they averted their eyes when they walked by here

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:09 pm

    Let’s be clear.

    Wicks has nothing on Lawler, he’s not able to identify any deficiencies in the FWA report (other than the AEC stuff), he’s completely unable to establish any link between Jackson/Lawler and Nassios, he’s unable to explain how the report could have been compiled given the roles of Lee & Ross.

    He’s emailed me without invitation and now he’s taken to abuse in those uninvited emails.

    No wonder he’s so admired by the Café Whispers crowd.

  8. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:13 pm

    “……………now he’s taken to abuse in those uninvited emails.”

    Must be why he and Andrew Landeryou keep such close company

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:34 pm

    He’s emailed me without invitation and now he’s taken to abuse in those uninvited emails.

    But in his defence (Wixxy)* … I’ve read your “accusations” before … and “evidence” … put up or shut up …

    *(For the record, I’ve never even read a Wixxy post at Cafe Whispers and until today I didn’t even know he had his own blog nor that he was an ALP ex/possible candidate … and what’s he doing playing “blogmasta” anyway?)

    Doing a bit of my own research … I also discovered, The Kangaroo Court … some interesting tooing and froing there, between, Peter “Wixxy” Wicks and Shane Dowling …

    … this whole saga has as many twists, turns and personal innuendo as Alan Davie’s (QI) hairstyle …

    And that includes the silly posts both here and at CW … I’m thoroughly enjoying the comedy …

  10. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:38 pm

    So Hawkesbury is supposed to be 100kms from Dobell ay ……………..!

    FUCKING BULLSHIT !

    Its around 80kms between Thomson’s electoral office in Tuggerah and the most populous area of Hawkesbury being Baulkham Hills. Parts of Hornsby are only 60kms away from Tuggerah and the outer reaches of each seat’s boundary are no more than 20kms being seperated by a sliver of the ALP seat of Robertson

    Wicks is just full of shit

  11. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:39 pm

    In plain English the 2 seats are in very close proximity

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 6:57 pm

    ”… put up or shut up …

    That’s exactly what Wicks should do. As it is, he’s making stuff up about people doing favours, working in the same office, exercising influence.

    He’s just making it up!!

    Then he starts emailing me about it all!

    What a goose.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:02 pm

    ToM, that’s not an answer … 🙄

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:04 pm

    Perhaps you need to be specific TB.

  15. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:05 pm

    Jaws, I described the electorates as “neighboring”. I failed to point out that one was federal and one was state. My point was that it was doubtful that Wicks and Thomson weren’t known to each other.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:31 pm

    Perhaps you need to be specific TB.

    Sure …

    I’ve read your “accusations” before … and “evidence” … put up or shut up …

    Your reply …

    He’s just making it up!! (I left the bold off it makes it look a bit “shrill” …

    Let me make it plain what’s, Wixxy, saying that’s abusive to you?

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:38 pm

    I don’t publish private emails without the permission of the other person.

    But the uninvited emails he’s sent have become increasingly shrill. If he lets me know that he’s happy for them to be posted, I’d be entirely happy to.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:40 pm

    The other stuff that he’s made up is all on his site.

    He’s a bullsh*t artist of the highest order.

  19. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:42 pm

    I’m happy for the correspondence to be published.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:47 pm

    …off for a red and a meal.

  21. You got mail permalink
    July 20, 2012 7:50 pm

    If the emails are unsolicited and uninvited then they’re fair game. Publish and be damned, I say. 😉

  22. July 20, 2012 7:55 pm

    Following on from the rostrum ‘protect our country’ thread, it should be reported that the claim made by tomM re lawler that was designed to mislead, misrepresent and generally muddy the waters of debate with forensic trivia was wrong!

    KatieJ says:

    July 19, 2012 at 11:45 am

    @Tom of Melbourne
    I work in the same building of Lawler and Nassios.
    I can tell you that they work in the same building. Their offices are on different levels.
    All FWA staff, the Members (incl the President,the VP and SDPs,DPs and Cmrs) have access to the private lifts to all levels. Staff can freely go to the Members’ chambers if they need to.
    Nassios and Lawler can freely email, phone, meet face to face with each other.
    Lawler can be spotted smoking in the side lane a few times each day and is always very approachable.
    I just done understand what your problems are!!

  23. July 20, 2012 7:56 pm

    WIXXXY is patently full o’ shit & partisan halfsmearing, that much is CLEAR.

    The stuff that the cold, dead hands of apologists cling to. I defy them to label me a rightwing troll or Liberal stooge; I regularly say far more revolting things about the Coalition than any of them. It’s just that, I’m semi-realistic & not a crusader.

    fuck roswell & the horse that Mulder rode Scully in on

    sniff it…

  24. el gordo permalink
    July 20, 2012 8:00 pm

    I would also like to see the correspondence, we could collectively get to the bottom of it…producing a blogosphere scoop.

  25. July 20, 2012 8:20 pm

    Some of us don’t just accept at face value the public utterings or contrived outcomes from politically charged inquiries especially when all investigative bodies in this country are controlled by politicians and their mates get favoured positions.
    If public servants and politicians cannot understand basic conflict of interest and the need for all undertakings and processes to be transparent and accountable, then the entire system is hopelessly flawed and corrupted.

    All Lawler had to do to clear up any suspicions was appear before parliament, but he refused to co-operate, his actions have prejudiced and brought into disrepute the entire work of the FWA. He should be sacked.

  26. July 20, 2012 8:28 pm

    “He’s emailed me without invitation and now he’s taken to abuse in those uninvited emails…”

    Pretty much what you did when you went over to his blog to stir up some shit and make petty claims which amount to nothing .

    But in his defence (Wixxy)* … I’ve read your “accusations” before … and “evidence” … put up or shut up …”

    And how do we know it wouldn’t be a ‘selective’ and one-sided leaking of emails?

  27. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 8:35 pm

    Tom’s sole claim is that Wicks has absolutely no evidence to justify fingering Lawler for interference in the FWA investigation. Now perhaps he (Lawler) did. But Wicks has produced no evidence for it. He is a fraud.

  28. el gordo permalink
    July 20, 2012 8:37 pm

    ‘I defy them to label me a rightwing troll or Liberal stooge’

    It defies belief that they would suspect either of us, simply because we don’t adhere to the mantra, yet this is the situation we find ourselves in. The barrackers minds are so transfixed on princess Julia…they will not consider an honest criticism of their strong held beliefs.

    They are severely deluded.

  29. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 8:38 pm

    Kittylitter. Wicks has made sone extraordinary claims. How is it stirring up shit to challenge those claims?

    Wicks is all bluff. He relies on people not checking. He said his seat was nowhere near Dobell. He is a liar.

  30. July 20, 2012 9:10 pm

    In a later message he said he strongly rejected any imputation of wrong-doing and would place any imputation in the hands of his solicitors.

    Fair Work’s president pointed out that members of its tribunal enjoy the same status as judges.

    He won’t appear in parliament to defend himself or face scrutiny from the only people in the land who have the power to question him, but he will sue. Let’s hope he does and we might get to hear the truth.

    How is it stirring up shit to challenge those claims?

    He didn’t challenge anything of substance in the claims against lawler’s conduct in the case, such as the allegations of interference, bullying and threatening of union staff or lawler’s ‘private citizen’ actions and improper sharing of evidence between lawler and jackson and jackson’s acting on lawler’s advice and insructions behind the scenes.

    Arguing about office buildings and such don’t really cut it IMO, don’t forget thet tomM was very definite in his claims of the contrary.

    “…Given that Iain Ross was FWA President when the report was released, how could it be tainted as Ross is a respected jurist and a former ACTU official?
    • Given that there is a clear organisational separation between the investigatory division and the tribunal function, who was Lawler able to exert such influence?

    If you are unable to specifically address those points, I think your examination of Jackson could simply be a case of union bashing…”

    Also tomM argues by making claims that nobody can refute because nobody has the power to do so, because lawler is protected by privilege and parliament [where he cowardly refused to appear]. We all know that these investigative bodies can be politically influenced, that there can be official and unofficial misconduct and prejudiced findings. Here in Australia it seems to be the norm rather than the exception IMO. I am very sceptical, especially when the processes are secretive and the officials are unaccountable. I think the Australian system of government is run as a lawless, cowboy style enterprise. At least in the UK [? the US] they get people to sweat in front of inquiries and all, including staffers, are scrutinised publicly, here, they get off scot free with tokenistic shows at accountability and flippant evasions.

  31. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 9:11 pm

    Yes James I know one is state and other federal. For him to say they are 100kms apart is crap.
    Of course they would have met. Even if it was at a NSW ALP conference.

    As I said he’s full of shit

  32. July 20, 2012 9:12 pm

    blockquote TB Queensland PERMALINK
    July 20, 2012 5:01 pm
    ” … has now been conpletely (sic) erased!”
    Nothing on the internet is “completely erased” … bits still “drift around” … like “space junk”, I suppose … /blockquote

    i can vouch for that

    the other day min asked for the saag ghosht recipe. i had lost mine, and i just whisically searched for it on the net… lo! i found a link from the original blogocracy post!!! 2007!! yikes!

  33. July 20, 2012 9:14 pm

    oops did something wrong there… as mentioned earlier am blogging after a long time… please correct – i meant to ref tb’s post

    tb’s post

  34. July 20, 2012 9:15 pm

    success!!

  35. Mot of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 9:39 pm

    Wicks has made various slurs against Lawler. He’s been completely unable to substantiate any of them.

    There’s nothing I have to prove, I’m not making the baseless allegations.

    I also didn’t realise Wicks is such a sensitive petal. He’ll have to toughen up if he wants a political career.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 9:46 pm

    He also shows great willingness to retreat when challenged. So he’s probably more suited to being a hack.

    AO- my points were challenges directly to the ‘influence/interference’ allegations. He was (and remains) completely at a lost to answer them.

  37. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 9:54 pm

    Kittylitter, as Tom has so ably demonstrated, there’s nothing to defend. Nothing.

  38. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 10:10 pm

    It’s interesting, though, how that presumption of innocence thing seems to have taken another holiday.

  39. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 10:20 pm

    So what will Slipper do if the DPP decides to prosecute. Will he pull the pin ?

    Another empty threat from oakeshot as well I see. He’s just shitting himself at the prospect of Dhdd going early to save some furniture.

    What is he around 50 ?

    Who would employ that Cnut once he meets his political oblivion. He won’t find many new career openings around port Macquarie. And his pension won’t be that big

    And I think all the taxis up there are spoken for.

    He’s fucked !

  40. July 20, 2012 10:30 pm

    Kittylitter, as Tom has so ably demonstrated, there’s nothing to defend. Nothing.

    That is your opinion, I differ. Tomm has demonstrated nothing in disproving any allegations, it is all ‘he said, she said’ stuff, none of us can prove or disprove anything.

    If lawler fronts parliament and answers questions regarding his actions honestly and openly, I might be persuaded otherwise.

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2012 10:55 pm

    AO, there is nothing I need to prove. Wicks makes allegations about interference, he directs that at Lawler.

    Without this link all the stuff about Jackson is meaningless, only an indication that the practices in the HSU are unacceptable. Without the Lawler link he’s unable to explain any interference.

    I’ve given him a couple of reasonable hurdles to clear. He’s hit them and fallen on his face.

    Then he starts sending uninvited emails.

    Wicks isn’t able to demonstrate any rationality under some very minor pressure.

  42. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 11:50 pm

    I see Catching Up has absolutely no clue as to where the NSW Central Coast is (4:42pm on Cafe Bullshit 6 or whatever)

    She reckons its close to Newcastle. It starts at fucking Gosford just north of Sydney. The main bridge to get there is called the HAWKESBURY FUCKING BRIDGE. I can almost see the fucker from my joint.

    I can drive over to Hornsby (in the HAWKESBURY electorate) and be at Craig Thomsons office in around 30 minutes.

    What fucking lying old bag she is.

  43. JAWS permalink
    July 20, 2012 11:58 pm

    The crowd at that other joint just fucking make soooooooo much shit up it’s extraordinary. No wonder they don’t come over here.

    It’s too hard to defend your lies when there are so many.

    Cafe Dementia more like it .

    And I suppose one of them will now lay claim to having that as well. They seem to have every other affliction conveniently covered.

  44. July 21, 2012 12:10 am

    Then he starts sending uninvited emails.

    Did you give him your email address? Comment on his blog, ask a series of questions? Maybe he is suspicious of you and your motives/sources/sponsors?

    Have you been honest and told him that you are writing about him here on this blog? [I haven’t forgotten the james and marcel fiasco].

  45. JAWS permalink
    July 21, 2012 12:20 am

    Isn’t it amusing the way anyone of their perceived “Right” receive endless abuse over there and we all get branded Right yet this blog is pretty tolerant of all who post here.

    Per toilet (who was abused there tonight), kitty, tb and egg

    On the subject of eg did that self claimed poisoned brain who runs the joint actually apologize to egg the other day when at first the scumbag lied about there being nothing of eggs in moderation . No the scumbag simply abused egg some more after admitting he had found eggs post.

    What a lying Cnut !

  46. JAWS permalink
    July 21, 2012 12:23 am

    God you must do some crazy work hours kitty ,,.

    I’ m sitting up watching the Dow after a rather ordinary Indian dinner in the city and I imagine you are almost off to work.

    Is the health dept paying people properly these days

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 12:29 am

    He got my email address because I commented on his site, and following his contact with me I’ve sent him a copy of my earlier post. I advised that I didn’t wish to be talking behind his back. So he’s entirely aware of my comments.

    I have no doubt that he’s followed the discussion.

    So let’s see.

    He says he’s “throwing mud” at Jackson, but got all bothered when I added it was for political motives. I haven’t bothered to ask him about what his other motives may be.

    He also says –
    ”Lawler and Nassios work in the same office. No matter who supervises them, they share an office….This would not be the first time a work colleague helped out another, influenced another, scratched anothers back etc”

    He’s making it up as he goes.

  48. JAWS permalink
    July 21, 2012 12:38 am

    He makes everything up.

    No evidence at all

    Just bullshit heaped upon bullshit.

    Innuendo and guilt determined by the space between a workstation and an office.

    What a joke.

    At least the public don’t buy it.

  49. JAWS permalink
    July 21, 2012 12:39 am

    Dow off half a percent

    Yuk

  50. July 21, 2012 12:49 am

    He says he’s “throwing mud” at Jackson, but got all bothered when I added it was for political motives. I haven’t bothered to ask him about what his other motives may be.

    Who knows, who cares? He’s allowed to isn’t he, it’s not a crime or anything. What if his allegations have merit, shouldn’t the questions be asked? With your type of thinking there would be no need for investigative journalism, we would just accept whatever people in power and authority tell us without question and conflicts of interests/prejudiced proceedings are never disclosed.

    He also says –
    ”Lawler and Nassios work in the same office. No matter who supervises them, they share an office….This would not be the first time a work colleague helped out another, influenced another, scratched anothers back etc”

    That’s true, do you really think that these people don’t say a word to each other about their work and their dealings? Do you really believe Jackson and Lawler don’t discuss and plot their joint aim of seeing jackson controlling the HSU?

    You seem very naive tomM.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 1:06 am

    I would think that Jackson and Lawler discuss their work (though I haven’t been in their bedroom).

    But that isn’t the allegation. Wicks suggests that Lawler and Nassios …” helped out another, influenced another, scratched anothers back etc”

    Unless Wicks is able to implicate Lawler, all he and his ilk are able to allege is that the Thomson Report was wrong, or incompetent…and that doesn’t advance their cause is getting a BIG distraction up and going.

    That’s Wicks’ objective, that’s why he’s “throwing mud”.

    Nothing he’s put up suggests any grounds for forming a different view of Thomson. Quite the contrary. What he’s demonstrating is that all the misuse of funds by Thomson was just him falling into line with the prevailing union culture.

    Thomson happened to end up in parliament, so he’s of greater public interest than the likes of Jackson.

    It’s been fun, but I’m off for the night.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 1:14 am

    But I neglected to address this – ” , do you really think that these people don’t say a word to each other about their work and their dealings?”

    Again I have no idea, but the “office” contains a few hundred people, in a variety of functions. Presidential Members of the Commission have a fairly cloistered workplace.

    I seriously doubt whether an investigator would allow such a politically sensitive report to be influenced by an unrelated tribunal division. I also doubt whether Lawler would bother to try.

    I cannot imagine Tim Lee allowing such a report to get legs if it was unfounded, and I can’t imagine Iain Ross having less influence over t and its release than Lawler.

  53. July 21, 2012 1:41 am

    But that isn’t the allegation. Wicks suggests that Lawler and Nassios …” helped out another, influenced another, scratched anothers back etc”

    And that is beyond the realm of possibility is it? Godwin Gretch, Watergate and James Ashby [journalists, other staffers & politicians] didn’t happen either.

    Unless Wicks is able to implicate Lawler, all he and his ilk are able to allege is that the Thomson Report was wrong, or incompetent…and that doesn’t advance their cause is getting a BIG distraction up and going.

    I think the cause is to shine a spotlight on the behind the scenes machinations, activities, political motivations and affiliations of the people who have the most to gain from the investigation and those who do the investigating. Maybe to shine a light on the supposed ‘independence’ of Australian regulatory bodies.

    I seriously doubt whether an investigator would allow such a politically sensitive report to be influenced by an unrelated tribunal division. I also doubt whether Lawler would bother to try.

    I don’t, not when political and religious ideology is paramount, favours for your job need re-paying to Abbott.

    I cannot imagine Tim Lee allowing such a report to get legs if it was unfounded, and I can’t imagine Iain Ross having less influence over t and its release than Lawler.

    You can’t imagine a lot of things, that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen, you might just happen to be a very unimaginative person 🙂

    Ross couldn’t be more clear, he is not allowed to do anything about it [as Lawler would well know].

    (Iain Ross) …And the second point is, as I’ve said, it is not a matter for me to investigate or discipline a member of Fair Work Australia. That is not the function that I have under the statute. That is a matter for Parliament.

    LEIGH SALES: But you’ve said that you are concerned with matters to do with the standing and the reputation of the tribunal …

    IAIN ROSS: I am.

    LEIGH SALES: … and surely these matters go enormously to the standing and reputation of Fair Work Australia in the eyes of the community.

    IAIN ROSS: Look, I accept that, Leigh, but my point to you is that that’s not my function under the statute. I’m not a free agent to wander wherever I wish to go.

    Hardly a ringing endorsement.

  54. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 7:52 am

    Disprove. Tom it’s for you to disprove.

    In the face of all the documentary evidence, Thomson is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

    However, in the face of baseless and entirely evidence free allegations, it’s for Lawler to disprove said allegations.

    Such is the entirely reasonable multiple standard of Wicks and his supporters.

  55. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 8:23 am

    ‘Time to face facts. Time to pull the pin. Julia Gillard is leading the Australian Labor Party towards a catastrophic election defeat, probably the worst in its federal history. For the good of the party and the good of the country, she must quit the prime ministership or be prised out of it.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/pm-must-go-or-the-party-will-be-over-20120720-22fcl.html#ixzz21ChUcHEI

    Carlton faces reality and elsewhere in the same rag Howes says the union backs the PM 110% …so you can be sure the games up for Julia.

  56. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 8:30 am

    And headlining in the Oz …Sid Maher and Kate Legge get Bracks to open up with a broadside.

    ‘FORMER Victorian premier Steve Bracks has predicted that Julia Gillard and the remaining state Labor governments will lose office when they next face voters and says the party needs to re-engage with people and develop more attractive policies.

    ‘Mr Bracks, who co-authored a post-mortem into Labor’s near-defeat in the 2010 federal election, predicts the cathartic but necessary electoral rout in an interview with The Weekend Australian. “My view is that Labor is going to lose federally and whatever remaining state governments we’ve got,” he said. “I hope we don’t, but it’s very likely.”

  57. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 9:32 am

    ‘…develop more attractive policies.’

    Like pokie reform, gay marriage and drug law reform….popular social issues. We know in advance that capt. tabit and crew won’t get their hands dirty with that lot, so after labor is wiped out everywhere they’ll have to get serious or remain a rump.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 9:40 am

    Wicks said they “they work in the same office”, then retreated to something like “they work in the same 10 storey building along with a few hundred other people, on different floors, in different divisions, they have vastly different levels of status and there is no evidence that they actually have ever met”

    Wicks is probably more compelling in his retreat.

    He isn’t even saying that the story he’s selling is all speculation. He’s selling it as an explanation for the report on Thomson.

    But he’s got nothing to support it. Bizarre.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 9:46 am

    …and by the way, why would Wicks choose to delete comments by me on his site and then start communicating with me by email?

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:03 am

    It’s nice to see Julia back in the spotlight over her poor legal work.

    She is clearly capable of poor work if the funds she set up for her boyfriend,/client/AWU secretary were able to be rorted so easily.

    Gillard has said she didn’t benefit from the corruption, fine. She should prove it!

  61. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:08 am

    The Bolter is running hard with the Wilson scandal.

  62. July 21, 2012 10:43 am

    I see in other parts that I’ve labelled as being from “the extreme right.”

    I guess that must be due to my strong opinions supporting marriage equality, onshore processing of asylum seekers, and the rich paying their fair share in tax.

    It does strike me as peculiar that those same people – predominantly older women in their 60’s and 70’s – are convinced beyond any doubt that Julia Gillard should lead Labor to the next election, a course that will see Labor almost certainly banished to the ranks of the opposition for ten years or more, or even destroyed altogether as a poltical force.

    If all that The shrill Team Gillard supporters have to add to the political debate is that “anything Gillard says or dies = good, anything that Tony Abbott says or does = bad,” then they really ought to get in touch with reality, or in the words of the chief gigolo “grow up, fuck off, and stop their bullshit..”

  63. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:44 am

    She is, as PM, entitled to the presumption of innocence, Tom and Gordo.

    Lawler, on the other hand, is guilty as sin of manipulating an 1,100 page report until he can prove otherwise because Peter Wicks, who stood for the ALP in Hawkesbury which is nowhere near Dobell, said so.

  64. July 21, 2012 10:48 am

    Ok, so I quietly strolled over to Andrew Bolt’s blog (crucifix and garlic necklace) for the first time in what must be five years to find that he doesn’t have any comments on his posts….

    Have I missed something?

    Was that the day that free speech died…?

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 11:03 am

    True on “the extreme right”.

    That’s why I’m banned. Only the extreme right gets banned for arguing in favour of on shore processing and against the race to the bottom on asylum seeker policy.
    —————
    I also note Min’s comments about “from 4 to 6”. That’s nice, though she did say much worse about all her (once again) friends.

    Even at 4 the total IQ here would be about double the standard bearers there.

  66. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 11:05 am

    ‘Have I missed something?’

    Put simply, the Hun refuses to supply the mods due to financial considerations.

  67. July 21, 2012 11:18 am

    In the face of all the documentary evidence, Thomson is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

    However, in the face of baseless and entirely evidence free allegations, it’s for Lawler to disprove said allegations.

    I have never said lawler is guilty. I have said it can’t be discounted, given his enormous conflict of interest.

    Where have I said it is for tomM to disprove? I wouldn’t like to be misrepresented here in usual conservative fashion.

    I think i’ve said that none of us can prove or disprove, but that hasn’t stopped tomM from making out an investigative body without the power and authority to investigate or punish one of it’s own, has entirely cleared lawler.

    I think tomM was braying for ages for thomson to make a statement in parliament to put claims to rest, what is wrong with lawler doing the same?

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 11:38 am

    Well AO, what is the allegation that Lawler has to answer?
    • Is there evidence that he’s even met Nassios?
    • Is there a receipt for prostitutes that shows inappropriate behaviour?
    • Has he withdrawn funds that are for personal purposes rather than business related?
    • I mean, did he even buy Nassios a cup of coffee???

    Thomson had actual findings against him. He’s a Member of Parliament. Thomson committed to making a comprehensive statement.

    Lawler’s situation is a little different.

    ————
    I asked Wicks, on his blog, why he’s sought to address the issues in email, and deleted my comments on his site, rather than having the open discussion.

    It’s in moderation…I think he’ll delete it along with the other questions that he finds inconvenient.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    July 21, 2012 1:07 pm

    Gillard has said she didn’t benefit from the corruption, fine. She should prove it!

    I think Tony Abbott’s a dickhead … its up to him to disprove it? 🙄

    FMD, ToM, simply accusing people of something doesn’t make it so … just because you “believe” something doesn’t make it so … people DON”T have to disprove anything …

    … people believe in a God but its not up to me to disprove it .. just because I don’t believe in a God … in this case either of us could be right …

    The HSU saga is so complex and politicised it’s as boring and hideously stupid as the Climate Change arguments … and will in fact have little impact on the next Federal Government …

    Speaking of which (change of government) one of my major concerns is a LibNat national sweep of state and Federal governments … providing an opportunity to up the ante on GST … 10% is a nice round figure … but they’d love to whack it up to 12.5% I’ll bet … be careful what you wish for … the Egyptian people are worrried as I predicted The Muslim Brotherhood are now running the show … and there’s a few Queenslanders wishing that Noddy Newman & The Numbskulls hadn’t got such a massive majority …

    The Brotherhood … and LibNats …. will now attempt turn the clocks back as far as they can* … I mean the boofheads running WA want to secede to Asia or some shit and the local dickhead sKattergun wants to secede (again) from Queensland …

    Maybe we should call Noddy Newman – Pigiron Campbell after his other* hero Menzies …

    * or Chooky Newman – JBP was his hero too – apparently … 🙄

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 2:14 pm

    TB, that was a light hearted reply to AOs suggestion that Lawler should subject himself to an inquisition. Perhaps I’ll have to use those smiley things.

    However, it’s fair to say that elected officials owe a greater duty of public examination and disclosure than the non-elected ones.

    However, I think it’s good to see the Bruce Wilson/AWU fraud getting a run. Politicians shouldn’t simply be able to get away with bullying and obfuscation about their shady past.

  71. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 2:35 pm

    ‘I think Tony Abbott’s a dickhead … its up to him to disprove it?’

    Judging by the polls the electorate agree with you…as do I.

  72. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 2:41 pm

    ‘…it’s as boring and hideously stupid as the Climate Change arguments …’

    Steady on, there is no argument here about CC. Reb has intelligently supplied a backroom to discuss the science and I won, global warming has stopped and no thanks to Julia’s tax.

  73. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 2:53 pm

    ‘The Brotherhood … and LibNats …. will now attempt turn the clocks back as far as they can* …’

    My god, you’ve been hanging out at the cafe again. There is no logical similarities between the two political systems, except that they are democratic.

    The LibNats are hell bent on growing Australia, with infrastructure the key to success. There is no need to put up the GST, we are in the midst of the biggest mining boom in history and I see the Coalition looking good for a decade or more.

    The importation of guest workers to fuel this growth is paramount, but I don’t believe the incoming Coalition governments will try to undermine terms and conditions won by workers so far. Even with a mandate to rule federally and in every state, they will actually go out of their way to stay popular.

    Its unheard of.

  74. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 5:41 pm

    That Jane character seems nice.

  75. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 5:43 pm

    I sent her some words of comfort but I appear to have joined that ever growing list.

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 5:48 pm

    Are you on the banned list too James?

    You should probably take is as a compliment! I think they have an IQ test – the cut off is 80.

  77. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 5:52 pm

    “We will have a vote on changing the marriage act by the end of the year,” the PM said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/googlehangout-gay-marriage-should-go-to-a-conscience-vote-20120721-22gh6.html#ixzz21Ez0aXKU

    It won’t save her, but its about time she got real.

    Political speculation is rife, Kev will recapture the throne before Xmas and scrap the tax on the basis of new scientific knowledge. Tabit will be standing naked as the Ruddster (the comeback kid) unites the country.

    Talcum, no longer deluded by CC madness gets the nod…to give the Coalition a fighting chance to win the election.

    Pure speculation, with a dash of wishful thinking.

  78. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 5:53 pm

    There is much concern over my use of the descriptor “fraud” in relation to Wicks. I note a similar word at use in one of their headings. Just sayin’.

  79. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 6:50 pm

    I think they call it moderated, Tom. My views, or at least the manner in which I express them, are dangerous. I shouldn’t breed. I am about to be sued for defamation. All on the day a second affidavit (sworn evidence that is) is released implicating the PM in dishonest conduct.

    It’s funny though. Some months back I mused that the dragging of feet with regard to Thomson may be more about covering up broader similar activity within the Union movement. It seemed to me that any political advantage in Thomson’s vote was killing the ALP and not worth it. This can of worms is being prised open. This is going to be more widespread than the British sex scandals.

  80. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 7:00 pm

    The other speculation is that Kevin will let the ship sink and then regain the leadership without a struggle.

    Hmmm….doubt it.

  81. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 7:26 pm

    The ALP have two choices to avoid utter obliteration at the next election.

    1. Recruit Turnbull. He can sell the Carbon Tax, or a modified version of it, and he is capable of articulating and wedging Tony Abbott on some of those socially progressive issues.

    2. Elevate Simon Crean. Boring, dry, won’t win but can return the vote to a level where they may be relevant.

  82. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 7:52 pm

    Double fail young James.

  83. Gummint: big or small, or none at all? permalink
    July 21, 2012 8:32 pm

  84. July 21, 2012 8:47 pm

    Well I’ve just come back from Batman The Dark Knight Rises.

    I made the wise choice of not reading any reviews .

    But I did notice that a lot of people were giving it 4 & 5 stars..

    All I’ll say is that the movie lives up to those ratings. It’s definitely the best in the series and has a gritty realism that the others don’t have.

    Four and half stars from me.

  85. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 8:57 pm

    Greens leading in Melbourne after a third of the vote counted.

    http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Results/StateBy2012resultMelbourneDistrict.html

    It will be a shocker if the ALP loses after 100 years of occupation.

  86. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2012 9:29 pm

    😯

  87. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 9:36 pm

    ‘Mr Rudd…has told the Australian Women’s Weekly that shaping the nation – which is somewhat difficult to do from the backbench – is “part of who I am, and you gotta be who you are”.

  88. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 9:38 pm

    North Melbourne is in Greens heartland. Their conduct is certainly intimidatory. They didn’t appear amused when I loudly asked where I could get a sausage. I then took one of their voting slips. They seemed surprised until I explained that I would be numbering in reverse order. Shitstirring Greens really is great sport.

    I can confirm a banning at the other place. Two inoffensive posts unpublished. They really don’t like challenges to their points of view. Ok, one was a bit cheeky, drawing comparisons between the words fraud and phony.

  89. July 21, 2012 9:47 pm

    I find it fascinating that within hours of Min declaring that she was leaving teh cafe she was back there posting as if she hadn’t been treated like shit in the preceding hours..

    That sort of thing is tantamount to battered wives’ syndrome…

    Just sayin.

  90. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:08 pm

    I think she accepted the Clinton defence.

  91. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:31 pm

    ‘I can confirm a banning at the other place. Two inoffensive posts unpublished.’

    A blanket ban is in place, we may have burnt our bridges.

  92. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:37 pm

    Pip appears to be the main casualty from the recent altercation at teh caf.

  93. July 21, 2012 10:38 pm

    What bridges…? LOL …. 🙂

  94. el gordo permalink
    July 21, 2012 10:41 pm

    How can I retaliate when their blogmasta calls me a ‘hypocrite’ on the world wide web thingy?

  95. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 11:05 pm

    It’s a mindset, Gordo. That type cannot stomach being called on their bullshit and nastiness.

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2012 11:52 pm

    How can they profess to to be ‘left wing’? None of them actually know anything about red.

  97. JAWS permalink
    July 22, 2012 1:38 am

    Thank god no one is nasty around here.

    What did that cow cu have to say today ?

    LOL

  98. July 22, 2012 4:02 am

    el gordo PERMALINK
    July 21, 2012 10:37 pm
    Pip appears to be the main casualty from the recent altercation at teh caf.

    not so.. she’s back too… i see nearly 10 posts frm her in the recent posts list…

    sad re min… i’d hoped she’d stay strong after the brick bats were hurled @ her for no reason…

    oh well… i guess i have a soft spot for her… actually all of u grouses too! we go back a long way…

    reb, tx re dark knight tip.. will put it on my view list

  99. Regulate this! permalink
    July 22, 2012 6:31 am

    The original, handwritten US Constitution was four pages, plus another page each for a letter of transmittal and a bill of rights. The Australian Constitution is 49 pages. Those were for something as important as setting up from scratch how a country is to be run.

    How many pages of law does our government pass each year to burden us with unnecessary regulations and red tape keep our country running?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2012 9:11 am

    ToSY, which planet were you on in 2007/8, it was a LACK of regulation in the US and EU and poor supervision of what regulations there were that allowed the Robber Bankers to screw ordinary people … and guess what? Still are …

    Allow open slather Uber Kapitalism, as you seem to suggest daily, and I’ll be burying my capital in the backyard!

  101. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 11:10 am

    ‘she’s back too…’

    That’s nice and I noticed TB and Lekhni are still in the loop after James and I were sin binned.

    How about a bit more solidarity comrades?

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 11:45 am

    ”… actually all of u grouses too! we go back a long way…”

    True that Lekhni I like all contributors, and welcome back to the fold. That’s why I think it’s odd that some of our previous sparring partners shy away from rigorous debate. It’s strange that they’re so sensitive about their own opinions that they block discussion with those they used to debate with.

  103. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 12:32 pm

    The police are investigating the leaked vid which embarrassed the Ruddster a good while back.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/kevin-rudd-sets-the-cops-on-prime-minister-julia-gillard/story-e6freuy9-1226431655585

  104. July 22, 2012 12:38 pm

    “Per toilet (who was abused there tonight)”

    Jesus wept.

    I’m not in the habit of bothering to look. The only conclusion that I can draw from that is that despite all of the incredulous statements about what a cesspit this is, plenty of gutless voyeurs obviously look in through the keyhole to give themselves a little moment of revulsion.
    I’ve never made a single comment there. I never will.

    So, safely assuming that whoever it was is reading here…How about you go & fuck yourself; but if you wanna have a dig then don’t be coy. Chances are I couldn’t care less about any negative comments directed at me. I’m sure they’d be poorly written, unimaginative & hilariously unthreatening.
    Perhaps go & yell it down the plughole, because there is about as much chance of me hearing that as there is of me reading it over there.

  105. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 1:47 pm

    ‘How about you go & fuck yourself’

    I second the motion.

  106. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 1:54 pm

    A footnote in the Daily Terror article above suggests the Rudd Push called the AFP, after Kev did poorly in the ballot for PM a month earlier.

    ‘An AFP spokesperson confirmed police were investigating a referral received about the video leak on March 14.’

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 2:56 pm

    “Per toilet (who was abused there tonight)”

    It’s full of sneaks who skulk around, whispering about each other and about people not on their blog.

    People who are too fearful and lacking in self confidence to allow their political opinions to be debated. They choose scaper and Iain Hall as their token opponents.

    Fearful opposition there!

  108. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 3:02 pm

    Scaper and Iain Hall are token trolls.

  109. July 22, 2012 4:06 pm

    IPA OVERREPRESENTATION ON ABC’s THE DRUM AND OTHER PROGRAMS:

    http://abcgonetohell.net/2012/07/18/ipa-wins-the-battle-of-the-think-tanks-and-the-abcs-heart/

    Out of the 9 think tanks represented from June 2011 to June 2012 on the ABC’s The Drum, the IPA took up 39 guest spots out of 93. That is 42% of the media coverage.

    The other think tanks received considerably less:

    Centre for Independent Studies (C) – 17 (18%)
    Per Capita (P) – 15 (16%)
    Centre for Policy Development (P) – 9 (10%)
    Menzies Research Centre (C) – 5 (5%)
    Grattan Institute (I) – 3 (3%)
    Australia Institute (P) – 2 (3%)
    Lowy Institute (I) – 2 (3%)
    McKell Institute (P) – 1 (1%)

    C = conservative
    P = progressive
    I = independent

    Representation of think tanks by political persuasion:

    Conservative = 61 (66%)
    Progressive = 27 (29%)
    Independent = 5 (5%)

    However, it’s fair to say that elected officials owe a greater duty of public examination and disclosure than the non-elected ones.

    I’m not so sure of that tomM, there’s way too much influence on government, political parties and politicians by non elected officials and lobbyists. The ordinary voter doesn’t get a look in, is totally ignored and sidelined, but non elected representatives of vested interests [usually recent politicians turned paid lobbyist] determine government policy and outcomes. There should be a much greater examination and transparency of the meetings and discussions that take place, it should all be available on the public record.

    Also, the non elected officials should declare their affiliations and influences if they intend to have those views and influences decide their [and others through their directives] job performance – that is how departments are politicised, partisan and non representative of all peoples.

  110. July 22, 2012 4:50 pm

    ToSY, which planet were you on in 2007/8, it was a LACK of regulation in the US and EU and poor supervision of what regulations there were that allowed the Robber Bankers to screw ordinary people … and guess what? Still are …

    yep, exactly

    We need more regulation, not less and more jailing of offenders. Time to admit failure.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-18/banks-defy-headlines-and-resist-regulation-moves/4139596

    …LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Four years on from the financial crisis of 2008, banks are still making headlines for all the wrong reasons. Today, it was the news that one of the world’s biggest banks, HSBC, has allowed Mexican drug cartels to launder money through its accounts. That’s on top of revelations in the last few weeks that JP Morgan Chase has lost billions in risky trades and Barclays has been manipulating interest rates. Regulators are trying to impose tougher standards but the banks are resistant…

    …EILEEN APPELBAUM, CENTRE FOR ECONOMIC & POLICY RESEARCH: What we learned is we need serious regulation. We’ve gotten a lot less than serious regulation…

    …VOX POP: I don’t think we have any choice. I mean, what we ought to do is hold the guys who run the system totally responsible. Jail time is a very, very big deterrent…

    …At stake is $360 trillion worth of derivatives and interest rate default swaps. $300 trillion of them sold here in the US to hospitals, transport companies, non-profit organisations and to cities and local councils, many of whom are now going broke. The city of Baltimore is now leading a federal lawsuit against the banks that set the LIBOR.

    EILEEN APPELBAUM: LIBOR scandal is a huge scandal and it’s global and it’s unclear just exactly… it’s certainly going to cause the banks the big banks a lot of money. But it’s unclear how it’s going to end.

    MICHAEL BRISSENDEN: One thing it certainly won’t do is help restore faith in what is clearly still a deeply flawed global financial system…

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2012 5:41 pm

    Just arrived in my inbox …

    http://lovedbdb.com/nudemenClock/index2.html

    Really very clever … tiny nude cartoon men (sorry, sreb, not indecent at all) clock … click on the analogue clock and they shift into a digital clock …

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 5:43 pm

    AO, I’m not at all bothered by having those on the public payroll facing scrutiny for their actions. There should be more transparency at all levels of government.

    But the issue is that Lawler is being unfairly targeted, and Wicks has tried to smear him, without a skerrick of evidence.

    If the ALP parliamentarian are given free reign under parliamentary privilege to have a similar crack at him, without any evidence, I don’t think that would be right.

  113. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 6:15 pm

    Bank offenders do get jailed. Regularly. Kittylitter, what do you think of putting billions of dollars of carbon derivatives in the hands of these traders?

  114. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 6:21 pm

    Kittylitter, how often have confected your local member?

  115. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 6:27 pm

    Confected? Contacted.

  116. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 6:52 pm

    ‘Feel free to pass on your thoughts here. I’ll read them, even if a moderator isn’t here to put them up.’

    Andrew Bolt

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2012 6:58 pm

    😯

  118. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 7:01 pm

    😉

  119. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 7:27 pm

    I think he might be angry. And rightly so.

  120. July 22, 2012 7:38 pm

    Andrew Bolt..? Angry….?

    Who would’ve thought… 😯

  121. July 22, 2012 7:38 pm

    But the issue is that Lawler is being unfairly targeted, and Wicks has tried to smear him, without a skerrick of evidence.

    If the ALP parliamentarian are given free reign under parliamentary privilege to have a similar crack at him, without any evidence, I don’t think that would be right.

    I think that there are questions to be answered about his involvement in the process because of his conflict of interest. Jackson seems to be getting a lot of behind the scenes guidance, direction and professional advice from him.

    Seeing that parliament is the only place that can ask any questions of him, it must be right, otherwise he is a ‘lawler unto himself’, no accountability to anybody for anything, and privilege beyond all other citizens in the land.

    Or, he could just refuse to appear – and hold everyone in contempt! I which case he should be sacked IMO.

  122. July 22, 2012 7:54 pm

    Kittylitter, how often have confected your local member?

    A few times – why?

    I have a Labor MP, I’m never happy with the standard party line response though, seems like a politely written FU!

  123. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 8:09 pm

    He doesn’t have a conflict if he wasn’t involved in the investigation. There is, despite Wicks contemptible efforts to infer otherwise, no evidence that he was.

    I have had cause to contact MPs of both major parties. I have always been treated well. I have tried to speak with The Greens office regarding intimidatory conduct of Greens at polling booths. They didn’t see it as a problem.

  124. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 8:18 pm

    ‘Andrew Bolt..? Angry….?’

    Gina will look after him.

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 8:28 pm

    There is no conflict of interest unless Lawler was hearing a matter related to the HSU.

    FWA is full of political and union types, they all advise, background, gossip. There are dozens of Commissioners married to union officials or employer reps. All the former union officials keep an eye on their old stamping ground.

    Lawler has no conflict of interest.

  126. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 8:34 pm

    Latham attacks disloyal whips…very confusing.

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2012 10:30 pm

    http://www.gq.com.au/life/editors+pick/galleries/50+most+stylish+men,19025?pos=3#top

    Oddly, I didn’t make the cut (of the 50 most stylish men), but he did!

  128. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 10:44 pm

    The Dow has dipped and this is why.

    ‘Marchel Alexandrovich from Jefferies Fixed Income said the markets are already bracing for second bigger rescue of around €400bn. “A few more weeks like this and Madrid is going to decide it has nothing more to lose and call for a full sovereign bail-out,” he said. “Then we will find out if there really is any money in the EU kitty.’

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard UK Tele

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:17 am

    At least 3 women might be pleased that feminists haven’t totally erased masculinity.

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:57 am

    Evidence of economic success aplenty!

    1. The mining boom is about to end! With it goes Swan’s commitment to a budget surplus.
    The singular focus on a surplus was nonsense, politically driven and caused by the profligate spending during the decline. In his drive for unrestrained spending, Swan gave stimulus a bad name, and he’s been compelled to over correct for political (rather than economic) credibility.

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/mining-boom-forecast-to-end-in-two-years-20120722-22ibe.html

    2. The building industry is in steep decline.
    So at the very time that Swan’s got the brake on the economy, we’ve got major industry falling. The government now faces a dilemma. Does it give up on its surplus commitment and go into the election period with a declining economy, or does it give it up for the sake of some growth?

    It’s a dilemma of its own making.
    http://www.theage.com.au/business/industry-gradually-crumbling-20120722-22i8v.html

  131. JAWS permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:58 am

    Woke up this morning to the wonderful news that Chris Richardson from Access Economics has predicted the mining boom will be over in 2 years.

  132. JAWS permalink
    July 23, 2012 10:00 am

    Swan wont get his surplus simply because commodity prices have fallen ( no super profits) and he wont cut spending.

    Swan’s a bigger dope than Richardson

  133. July 23, 2012 10:28 am

    During a recent password audit by Google, it was found that a blonde was using the following password:

    “MickeyMinniePlutoHueyLouieDeweyDonaldGoofyBrisbane”

    When asked why she had such a long password, she rolled her eyes and said: “Hello! It has to be at least 8 characters long and include at least one capital.”

  134. July 23, 2012 1:14 pm

    I have tried to speak with The Greens office regarding intimidatory conduct of Greens at polling booths. They didn’t see it as a problem.

    How so? What did they do james?
    I haven’t enjoyed running the gauntlet of party electioneering for 10+ years. I’ve been placing a postal vote for that long, it’s easier to vote from the comfort of my own home, one less queue is a good thing. I hate waiting in the endless queues of modern society.

    Woke up this morning to the wonderful news that Chris Richardson from Access Economics has predicted the mining boom will be over in 2 years.

    Aww, will mum stop hiding coins in australia’s magic pudding? What will we do now for our money the kids screech!

    Maybe people could begin to live smaller and stop this endless drive for productivity to fuel consumerism and profits. Perhaps we could stop the tax and churn, don’t expect to get back from the government more $ than you pay in tax.

  135. July 23, 2012 1:32 pm

    Holy crap!

    Andy Muirhead expected to plead guilty to child porn….

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/television/guilty-pleas-expected-from-muirhead/story-e6frfmyi-1226432691637

  136. July 23, 2012 1:50 pm

    Andy Muirhead expected to plead guilty to child porn….

    I saw that reb, the case has taken two years. According to the smh, Muirhead was disputing the number of images on his computer, now agrees to 4,000 and a guilty plea.

  137. el gordo permalink
    July 23, 2012 1:53 pm

    ‘Maybe people could begin to live smaller and stop this endless drive for productivity to fuel consumerism and profits.’

    Small is beautiful, but the rest is unrealistic in the capitalist system.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 2:00 pm

    “Maybe people could begin to live smaller and stop this endless drive for productivity to fuel consumerism and profits.”

    It wasn’t so long ago that the government was screaming at consumers to stop saving and start spending more. Economic decline comes with living smaller. And while that doesn’t bother the well-to-do intelligentsia, for most people living “small” is a necessity rather than a lifestyle choice.

    Ultimately the way people pursue their happiness is an individual matter, but under the Greens it will be mandatory mulch for lunch every day. At first it will be a nudge then a jackboot, that is if they don’t destroy the economy first.

  139. July 23, 2012 2:02 pm

    Small is beautiful, but the rest is unrealistic in the capitalist system.

    That’s my point, the system needs to be changed! We do not have finite resources to exploit for the profits of a few.

  140. July 23, 2012 2:06 pm

    At first it will be a nudge then a jackboot, that is if they don’t destroy the economy first.

    Some of us don’t think ‘teh economy’ is the be all and end all of our existence. Some of us think that teh economy should serve society’s needs, not the other way around.

  141. July 23, 2012 2:16 pm

    How so? What did they do james?

    Basically they mob you. Where other parties, including the main ones, have one or two people, the Greens have 20. At the last state election, Mrs Sancty was about 8 months pregnant and nearly got knocked over by them.

    On that occasion, I distracted them by calling out to Mrs Sancty……

    “Hey Darl!!!” She stopped and turned around. “Make sure you put the Greens last!!!”

    Then they came and mobbed me.

    This time I took a Greens leaflet and said “So if I fill these numbers out in reverse order, that’s the worst thing for you guys isn’t it?”

    They seem to be lacking a sense of humour.

  142. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 2:22 pm

    “Some of us think that teh economy should serve society’s needs, not the other way around.”

    It is the countries with weak economies that suffer from poverty and starvation.

    Everyone should make their own choices. The problem comes when the fascists think they know what is best for all of us. Anyway people have had it with the Greens now they have ruled through their poxy proxy Gillard. Even Labor knows it and is starting to talk sense about them.

  143. July 23, 2012 2:22 pm

    I do the same thing for Family First; now the ALP’s new best friend in preference, apparently.

    This means that the ALP gets to go at the bottom of the ladder with the loons & conservatives & religious nutjobs on my next ballot paper.

  144. July 23, 2012 2:37 pm

    At the last state election, Mrs Sancty was about 8 months pregnant and nearly got knocked over by them…

    Not good. Yep, you should have complained to their branch so that public safety is addressed. Volunteers in greater numbers than the others should not automatically instill fear [even for squirters 🙂 ], but if they are not giving respect to personal space.

    I avoid the polling booths wherever possible, I don’t see it as a social occasion and I vote according to my preference, not any particular party.

  145. July 23, 2012 2:41 pm

    This means that the ALP gets to go at the bottom of the ladder with the loons & conservatives & religious nutjobs on my next ballot paper.

    You vote like me toilet!

    I don’t mind the senate online party and the sex party these days!
    I refuse to vote how the majors would like, I think preference deals between parties must be undemocratic and I will laboriously number each square on the senate paper to ensure my preferences go against their wishes.

  146. July 23, 2012 2:44 pm

    Yep, I number all boxes. Always have.

    Never given priority votes to any major party. In the past the Coalition have been default bottom with the rest of the knuckledraggers. This time they’ll be joined by the ALP.

  147. July 23, 2012 2:57 pm

    That’s funny, because I also have never voted for a major party in my life, even though I know it comes down to them in the end anyway.

    I get a certain sick satisfaction from knowing that my slip stays alive through the preference system, having to be recounted over and over.

  148. July 23, 2012 3:21 pm

    It is the countries with weak economies that suffer from poverty and starvation.

    Caused by exploitation from wealthy multinationals eg cheaper offshore labour & costs [would they be there if they had to pay the same wages & conditions as in their own countries?], exploitation of their natural resources, irresponsible trashing of their environment. Indebtedness, globalisation.

    This inhumane belief that everything needed for basic human survival must be privatised and paid for, if not people must depend upon the dehumanising and oppressive charity of others.

    Third World Debt Undermines Development:

    http://www.globalissues.org/issue/2/causes-of-poverty

    …Debt has crippled many developing countries. Often based on loans taken out by prior rulers and dictators (many of which various Western nations put into power to suit their interests), millions face poorer and poorer living standards as precious resources are diverted to debt repayment…

    Everyone should make their own choices
    The very poor don’t get choices. The choice between eating…or not.

    (presentation) John Quiggin: THE FUTURE OF ECONOMICS: RESEARCH, POLICY, RELEVANCE:
    #26
    GROWING INEQUALITY
    Strikingly evident in US
    Apparent in most English-speaking countries
    Australia a partial exception
    Efficiency-based defences
    ‘Trickle down’
    Unequal outcomes and unequal
    opportunities
    #36
    CRISIS, COMPLACENCY,
    AND RELEVANCE
    The global economic crisis should have
    produced a crisis in economic theory
    Instead, business as usual
    A path to inevitable irrelevance
    #37
    WHERE TO FROM HERE?
    Need to rethink C20 experience
    Understand success and failure of
    postwar Golden Age
    Economics should focus:
    More on realism and relevance, less on rigor
    More on equity, less on efficiency
    More on humility, less on hubris

  149. el gordo permalink
    July 23, 2012 3:47 pm

    ‘That’s my point, the system needs to be changed! We do not have finite resources to exploit for the profits of a few.’

    We have infinite resources and they will be exploited depending on need…what the market will bare…a price set by supply and demand. It works surprisingly well.

    The fact that a few people have lots of money , while the great bulk have a lot less, is of no concern to the populace. They also have the freedom to aspire in a free enterprise system where good government taxes the mega rich, along with everyone else who have an income.

    Its transparently fair.

  150. July 23, 2012 3:57 pm

    Caused by exploitation from wealthy multinationals eg cheaper offshore labour & costs [would they be there if they had to pay the same wages & conditions as in their own countries?], exploitation of their natural resources, irresponsible trashing of their environment. Indebtedness, globalisation.

    I’m sorry, I’m no fan of globalisation, but your post is complete crap.

    Firstly, poverty is a relative thing. The poorest tribesman in Kenya is in many ways richer than you, I, or even Clive Palmer.

    Secondly, relative to others in their own country, those employed by these large multinationals, whilst being paid considerably less than what an Australian would get paid for the same gig, are earning a stack more than their neighbours who aren’t so fortunate. If you were to apply the same wage conditions as Western countries to Far Eastern (India and China) you would create a wage differential in those countries that would be utterly economically and socially destructive. It would devastate local businesses because there isn’t the local wealth to sustain such conditions.

    This is a prime example of the far left not thinking through the consequences of their policies or what they advocate.

  151. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 4:24 pm

    “Caused by exploitation from wealthy multinationals eg cheaper offshore labour & costs [would they be there if they had to pay the same wages & conditions as in their own countries?]”

    That is precisely the point. It is the reason 300 million Chines have been lifted out of abject poverty. No socialist idea has ever done that. Giving people the option of earning more is not exploitation. It is a two way street. Similar criticisms were made of the industrial revolution in the UK, but guess what? The population exploded because it was much better than the alternative. Conditions got better and less people died.

    While control-freak fascists might feel better if their leftist ideas are implemented, the only thing they have contributed to countries they have taken over is poverty, misery and death. But they felt good about themselves and their noble ideas. That is what it is all about with leftists – they are economically illiterate, unable to learn from history, and intent on taking the moral high-ground and for what – 100 million killed in socialist countries last century.

    How do you think those countries who have lifted out of poverty got anywhere at all? It wasn’t socialism, it was market economics. If you want to bash the West, attack them for their agricultural protectionism that keeps so much of the world poor.

    “This inhumane belief that everything needed for basic human survival must be privatised and paid for, if not people must depend upon the dehumanising and oppressive charity of others.”

    The fact is that goods, including necessities, need to be produced. Someone has to do the work. The genius of the market is that it gets people out of bed in the morning. Socialism is an abject failure because it aligns all the incentives against productivity and efficiency.

    What we need is a balance, but when you start paying people not to work, you are headed in the wrong direction.

    If you want inhumane look at what socialism did in the 20th century – poverty misery and death. If you want inhumane look at the green activists who got DDT banned which led to millions dying of malaria. I’m sure they got a lovely warm fuzzy feeling while taking no responsibility for their murderous actions. A bit like Rudd and the Greens and the drowned asylum seekers. They changed a policy which led to nearly a thousand deaths and will not take responsibility. Pure evil.

  152. July 23, 2012 5:06 pm

    el gordo
    July 22, 2012 11:10 am
    ‘she’s back too…’
    That’s nice and I noticed TB and Lekhni are still in the loop

    eg, lol, i suppose they’ve kept me on for my recipes….. 😉

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 5:18 pm

    There’s so much claptrap in the last three posts it’s difficult to know where to start

    It does highlight a certain lack of compassion and a fobbing off of responsibility to people who are worse off than yourself …

    The fact that a few people have lots of money , while the great bulk have a lot less, is of no concern to the populace. They also have the freedom to aspire in a free enterprise system where good government taxes the mega rich, along with everyone else who have an income.

    Its transparently fair.

    Its tranparently unfair! Do you really think that you or I have the same “chances” in life as members of The Firm? (The Royal Family) … And who told you that its of “no concern to the populace” … Nero? And if your statement is correct why all the hullabaloo about the MRRT?

    Firstly, poverty is a relative thing. The poorest tribesman in Kenya is in many ways richer than you, I, or even Clive Palmer.

    You’ve obviously never been down to one dollar, a wife and two little kids, a mortgage and no job … and your Kenyan tribesman won’t have the fresh water, medical facilities that your family has … poverty is NOT relevant it is a loathsome state that millions of people aroung the globe suffer every day … go and live in a third world country for six months and get some real world experience …

    What we need is a balance, but when you start paying people not to work, you are headed in the wrong direction.

    I actually agree with this statement … as for the rest its just politically motivated diatribe … some of us who “accuse” the Robber Barons of raping and pillaging have read history … in fact you can watch “benefits” of Uber Kapitalism on your TV almost every night … the Amazon is a good place to start … then travel to PNG … Indonesia … the list goes on …

    BTW, While control-freak fascists might feel better if their leftist ideas are implemented, the only thing they have contributed to countries they have taken over is poverty, misery and death.

    A quick socio-economic edification … capitalism is not a political system and is often referred to as a market system – democracy is a political sytem and generally associated with a market driven distribution sytem — but is not exclusive to democracy … communism and socialism are not the same political systems but both generally utilise an economic command system of supply to the populace …

    China has successfully incorporated a communist political system with a highly controlled market system AND a command system for essential services and needs for the varied population in a large country …

    Finally fascists might feel better if their leftist ideas … fascists have right wing ideas but they are usually the extreme right just as North Korea is extreme left … if you want to hear about a successful communist country … I’m sure Wally will tell you about his trips to Vietnam … the very same country that the democratic western capitalists invaded in 1946 and were kicked out of in 1972 …

    As for DDT …

    In 1962, Silent Spring by American biologist Rachel Carson was published. The book catalogued the environmental impacts of the indiscriminate spraying of DDT in the US and questioned the logic of releasing large amounts of chemicals into the environment without fully understanding their effects on ecology or human health. The book suggested that DDT and other pesticides may cause cancer and that their agricultural use was a threat to wildlife, particularly birds. Its publication was one of the signature events in the birth of the environmental movement, and resulted in a large public outcry that eventually led to DDT being banned in the US in 1972.[5] DDT was subsequently banned for agricultural use worldwide under the Stockholm Convention, but its limited use in disease vector control continues to this day and remains controversial.[6][7]

    Along with the passage of the Endangered Species Act, the US ban on DDT is cited by scientists as a major factor in the comeback of the bald eagle, the national bird of the United States, from near-extinction in the contiguous US.[8]

    Canada still mines and exports asbestos to India (endoresed by the Indian Health Minister as safe) … maybe we should re-open Witeternoon and make a few more dollars!

    Malaria is currently being tackled by the Bill Gates Foundation who expect to completely eradicate the disease within a few years …

  154. JAWS permalink
    July 23, 2012 5:36 pm

    “The fact is that goods, including necessities, need to be produced. Someone has to do the work. The genius of the market is that it gets people out of bed in the morning”

    And that is precisely why Chris Richardson of Access Economics is wrong.

    Sure commodity prices have cooled but we are in a transition period of low volume and consequently high prices to one of high volume and consequently lower prices.

    The BHPs , Rio, Woodsides and Xtratas of the World are now investing to massively increase production in WA and Qld

  155. JAWS permalink
    July 23, 2012 5:51 pm

    Yes Vietnam is an amusing place. I don’t think the Committee” gets out much to actually se what is actually going on. In Hanoi the Committee has a huge area of government buildings where policy is formulated and spread in the Press and TV and Radio.

    Usually in a hotel lobby you’ll see an old 26” TV set with a very official looking person making some sort of announcement.

    Then when you walk into the Hotel bar you’ll be confronted with a huge Samsung plasma with SkyNews UK or CNN or perhaps a game from the Premier League on Skysports.

    Then of course there’s the disco next door pumping out Pink or Beyonce whilst out on the street patriot songs are pumped out of loudspeakers whilst hundreds of stalls and shops sell the newest electronics, cameras, Nikes, etc with row upon row of restaurants and street food stalls.

    Then you go down South to Saigon (Ho Chi Minh City) and they don’t even bother with the pretence of some sort of communist system.

    Their attitude seems to be………

    “ provided the Commos just leave me alone for 75% of the time they can have there 1 party state.”

    “Just don’t interfere with this year’s profits …………OK ?”

    Karl Marx would be horrified

  156. July 23, 2012 5:59 pm

    “And that is precisely why Chris Richardson of Access Economics is wrong”

    I agree. What sort of twat, in this day and age, can make predictions like “the mining boom will be over in two years” and expect to be taken seriously…

    The GFC proved beyond reasonable doubt that these so-called “experts” really have no idea what will happen in the next six months let alone in two year’s time…

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 5:59 pm

    Karl Marx would be horrified …

    There ya go, sp, the old “reds under the beds” argument really is fkn dead!

    Come and join us in 2012 … 😉

  158. July 23, 2012 6:02 pm

    “i suppose they’ve kept me on for my recipes”

    LOL… I’m still using the dahl recipe you posted years ago.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:04 pm

    The GFC proved beyond reasonable doubt that these so-called “experts” really have no idea

    Yup! Agee, sreb …

    … while I’ve always thought Richardson was twat anyway, (it might just be that silly, floppy, fringe) , as far as economists go … in his “defence”, I understood his “prediction” was that we would reach the “peak” of the boom in two years … not that it would end … if it “peaks” then – we’ve got about 15-20 years of boom to slide down … 😆

  160. July 23, 2012 6:07 pm

    “ provided the Commos just leave me alone for 75% of the time they can have there 1 party state.”
    “Just don’t interfere with this year’s profits …………OK ?”

    Same story in Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai…

    What was it that snacty used to say – “socialism is incompatible with human nature” or some such nonsense…

  161. Might be right one day permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:10 pm

    http://yfrog.com/gyryktp

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:16 pm

    “some of us who “accuse” the Robber Barons of raping and pillaging have read history … in fact you can watch “benefits” of Uber Kapitalism on your TV almost every night … the Amazon is a good place to start … then travel to PNG … Indonesia … the list goes on …”

    Of course the rest of us have never read history! The rest of that comment is straw-man crap.

    “A quick socio-economic edification … capitalism is not a political system and is often referred to as a market system – democracy is a political sytem and generally associated with a market driven distribution sytem — but is not exclusive to democracy … communism and socialism are not the same political systems but both generally utilise an economic command system of supply to the populace …”

    A quick reading edification – I didn’t mention capitalism at all. I did point to China as an example of the success of market economics, and I know this may come as a surprise to you, but I know that China is not a democracy. The point about socialism is that the more “command” there is in the economy the less democracy there is in that society. It is inherently totalitarian.

    “fascists have right wing ideas but they are usually the extreme right just as North Korea is extreme left … if you want to hear about a successful communist country … I’m sure Wally will tell you about his trips to Vietnam … “

    That is a very simplistic view of things indeed. Mussolini was a socialist who invented fascism. Hitler was a socialist, just a little different to the other socialists. Neither were supporters of free markets.

    As to Vietnam, the anti-war protesters had their way, but don’t seem to want to take credit for the million odd Vietnamese murdered by the commos when they took the South or the thirty years of leftist tyranny that followed. When they finally got around to allowing some market-based activity the economy started to improve, but being run by leftists, the political situation hasn’t got much better.

    “Along with the passage of the Endangered Species Act, the US ban on DDT is cited by scientists as a major factor in the comeback of the bald eagle, the national bird of the United States, from near-extinction in the contiguous US.”

    Even if true, was it worth the death of millions of people?

    “Malaria is currently being tackled by the Bill Gates Foundation who expect to completely eradicate the disease within a few years …”

    Ah well, I feel so much better now. And I’m sure the millions who needlessly died do too.

  163. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:25 pm

    TB cites China as a successful example of Communism in the same breath as telling me I need to get out more. How many millions killed?

    I’ve been far wealthier and far poorer than I am today. I’ve never found it related much to happiness, in fact, in most cases the opposite. I could earn far more right now if I worked longer. And miss the couple of hours a day that I spend with Li’l Sancty? No fkn way. The bigshots can have their half million dollar incomes. I’ll takes the smiles and the dirty nappies. Every time.

  164. July 23, 2012 6:40 pm

    That’s pretty funny Might Be Right One Day! 🙂

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:44 pm

    Mussolini was a socialist who invented fascism. Hitler was a socialist, just a little different to the other socialists. Neither were supporters of free markets.

    I think that statement explains most of the rest of your post … rather pointless “debating” …

    … my Teutonic friend will be amused interested in your interpretation of political history … as would the thousands of Communists who fought the Nazis …

    I didn’t mention capitalism at all.

    Mmmm … The genius of the market is that it gets people out of bed in the morning.

    Capitalism generally refers to economic system in which the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for a profit, structured on the process of capital accumulation. In general, investments, distribution, income, and pricing is determined by markets.

    …. “the market” and “capitalism” are generally interchangeable in Western “style” economies … although you may have been referring to “market socialism” …

    I suppose, my lecturer, who emigrated from Hungary (“I have lived in both major economy and political system”, he used to joke) … obviously had a different take on the subject to you …

  166. July 23, 2012 6:45 pm

    “I’ve been far wealthier and far poorer than I am today. I’ve never found it related much to happiness, in fact, in most cases the opposite.”

    Strongly agree.

    Look at that cnut Gerry Harvey. When asked what he worried most about, he replied with “Losing my wealth.”

    Not about losing loved ones or family and friends, just fkn money. That’s all those sorts of cunts Gina included, care about.

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:54 pm

    TB cites China as a successful example of Communism in the same breath as telling me I need to get out more. How many millions killed?

    Don’t put words in my mouth … I said that China had “successfully” combined … command and market systems with a single party state …

    As for “how many millions killed” … probably as many as were killed in by the “kings” of the Western societies … as they evolved …

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 6:58 pm

    Anyway if China is a “successful” society what does it matter … and compared to the basket case called the USA and add Eurozone … I’d say it is right now …

    The bigshots can have their half million dollar incomes. I’ll takes the smiles and the dirty nappies. Every time.

    Me too! You’ve known me long enough!

    oh, and BTW … the “family” I mentioned in an earlier post was mine!

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:01 pm

    “… my Teutonic friend will be amused interested in your interpretation of political history … as would the thousands of Communists who fought the Nazis …”

    He once had an alliance with Stalin (one that enabled Australian commos to show their true treasonous nature), but that didn’t last. Sibling rivalries are always the worst.

    “…. “the market” and “capitalism” are generally interchangeable in Western “style” economies … although you may have been referring to “market socialism” …”

    Get to the point, man. Either you are saying they mean the same thing, or not. What is it? I don’t use those words interchangeably. One refers to capital formation and ownership and the other is a means by which people freely trade in goods and services. They do not mean the same thing. Monopoly capitalism is not consistent with the free operation of the market.

    I think that statement explains most of the rest of your post … rather pointless “debating” …

  170. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:02 pm

    True, Reb. But we need these selfish types. They are my slaves. I exploit them every day. The dumb cnts think they’re exploiting me. All they have is wealth. I’ve got Mrs and Li’l Sancty. Seriously.

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:02 pm

    “Anyway if China is a “successful” society what does it matter … and compared to the basket case called the USA and add Eurozone … I’d say it is right now …”

    Depends how you measure success and how you value basic freedoms. Judging by the Greens/ALP to free speech these days, they would say China is a great success.

  172. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:06 pm

    “Look at that cnut Gerry Harvey. When asked what he worried most about, he replied with “Losing my wealth.”

    Gerry’s views on charity:

    “It might be a callous way of putting it but what are they doing? You are helping a whole heap of no-hopers to survive for no good reason. They are just a drag on the whole community.

    So did that million you gave them help? It helped to keep them alive but did it help our society? No. Society might have been better off without them but we are supposed to look after the disadvantaged and so we do it. But it doesn’t help the society.”

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:07 pm

    Monopoly capitalism is not consistent with the free operation of the market.

    Absolutely not and hasn’t been around for decades … Marxist if memory serves … The Market and Capitalism in TODAY”S world are one and the same …

  174. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:09 pm

    Yes TB, but Western democracies have this thing called freedom. And that’s the difference.

  175. July 23, 2012 7:10 pm

    “All they have is wealth. I’ve got Mrs and Li’l Sancty. Seriously.”

    Yep, I know where you’re coming from. And you are blessed to have Mrs Snacty (what does she see in you…?)* and Lil Snacty (please don’t let him grow up to be a Liberal)

    *Joking of course… 😉

  176. July 23, 2012 7:11 pm

    “Western democracies have this thing called freedom. And that’s the difference.”

    You don’t get out much do you snacty…?

  177. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:17 pm

    Well, Reb, many have asked that. What’s not to love? I’m funny as fuck, cut like a fkn diamond, and hung like a Tibetan yak.

  178. July 23, 2012 7:23 pm

    Yes, well, the problem is, there’s never a Tibetan yak around when you need one…*ahem* 😯

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2012 7:34 pm

    “Western democracies have this thing called freedom. And that’s the difference.”

    Mmmmm … its 2012 not 1912 … talk about living in th past … oh and Hong Kong is no longer a British Colony!

    Amazing Race Australia is on – catch youse tomorra!

  180. July 23, 2012 8:00 pm

    Thanks TB, in my absence you and reb have managed to add some sense to the rants from the neoliberal barrackers. The expert ‘economic rationalists’ here who have completely sniffed a line of ‘voodoo economics’.

    Dunno why communism is always the first thing that comes screeching into their thoughts as they wet their pants in fear, if you advocate for some kind of fairness and equality for people, some economic and/or social justice it’s automatically communism to them!

    …Mussolini was a socialist who invented fascism. Hitler was a socialist, just a little different to the other socialists. Neither were supporters of free markets…

    Crikey, some-one’s drowning in kool-aid 🙂

    … my Teutonic friend will be amused interested in your interpretation of political history … as would the thousands of Communists who fought the Nazis …

    Apparently factual history is something else that can be conveniently ignored, reassembled and rearranged to suit the conservative ‘reality’.

    … while I’ve always thought Richardson was twat anyway, (it might just be that silly, floppy, fringe) , as far as economists go … in his “defence”, I understood his “prediction” was that we would reach the “peak” of the boom in two years … not that it would end … if it “peaks” then – we’ve got about 15-20 years of boom to slide down …

    It got the desired effect though, fear and fright from the usual suspects, lots of panic and pantzwetting.

    Apparently the ‘peak’ would then ‘slow’ but jaws and others here have already called it ‘the end’ [of the world as they know it]! 🙂

    Dick Smith takes ‘high risk’ swipe at Murdoch:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/dick-smith-takes-high-risk-swipe-at-murdoch-20120723-22jqc.html#ixzz21QwwaEz5

    Dick’s had enough of the newsltd lies crap manufactured controversy brand of journalism censorship.

  181. July 23, 2012 8:36 pm

    “…Well, Reb, many have asked that. What’s not to love? I’m funny as fuck, cut like a fkn diamond, and hung like a Tibetan yak…”

    “…Yes, well, the problem is, there’s never a Tibetan yak around when you need one…*ahem*”

    Not wearing a terry towelling hat anyway!

    Depends how you measure success and how you value basic freedoms. Judging by the Greens/ALP to free speech these days, they would say China is a great success.

    So is the US, every economist in the free world, most people are talking about China’s success. That’s why people are so frightened and threatened by China. But you are being very disingenous [or very confused] by conflating market success with human rights/oppression abuses [freedom] and freedom of speech as well. Did you think you could throw all that together and argue it to be one and the same?

    The greens have been the only political party to voice criticism of china on their human rights and freedom of speech records, especially when john howard welcomed the chinese president into pariament.

  182. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2012 8:39 pm

    Wow, Kittylitter, you’ve thrown out a lot about accidental urination, but nothing to address the actual arguments put.

    You raised the exploited workers.

    I said that by their standards, they were actually doing very well and that to pay them more would create a wage differential that would be economically destructive to local business and socially destructive as well. Do you have a response to that or just more revolutionary nonsense without regard for outcomes?

  183. el gordo permalink
    July 23, 2012 8:58 pm

    ‘Its transparently unfair! Do you really think that you or I have the same “chances” in life as members of The Firm? (The Royal Family) … And who told you that its of “no concern to the populace” … Nero? And if your statement is correct why all the hullabaloo about the MRRT?’

    Ahhh….no. Let the Brits pull the monarch off the throne and seize all the money for the state, I would cheer.

    The ordinary people are not hankering after Gina’s money. Only the watermelons want to turn Australia into a Communist state and I suspect they are mostly public servants or ex-PS.
    Union rank and file accept the reasonable nature of the free market and have no desire to overthrow the system and risk losing their jobs.

  184. July 23, 2012 9:08 pm

    Some are still fighting the old battles of another time and another place, the world has moved on but they are still in the trenches.
    The fear and smear of communism is heavily propagandised in the battles between the corporations and unions, the uber capitalists calling anyone who challenges their supremacy and market power in the capitalist system as ‘communists’ and ‘traitors to the nation’. The big business friendly political parties like the republicans and the coalition also like to reduce their defence of the indefensible down to a ‘communism vs western values’ argument rather than what it really is, profits vs workers rights.

  185. Competing interests permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:11 pm

    “what it really is, profits vs workers rights.”

    That’s nearly right. It’s more like: business’s best interests vs unions’ best interests.

  186. Competing interests permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:13 pm

    *businesses'(?)

  187. July 23, 2012 9:13 pm

    The ordinary people are not hankering after Gina’s money.

    Yes, they are, at least for having more of it trickling into the tax system. Stop making stuff up, asserting that your own views are the same as those of the ordinary/majority!

  188. Yin vs Yang permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:21 pm

    Our “system” is in comfortable equilibrium because we have these competing interests. That’s what reins in the excesses of either side. It’s also why it’s imperative we have a strong opposition to constrain the government. (And a free press: much better to have a media opposed to the government than one apologetic to it.)

  189. Yin vs Yang permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:29 pm

    *constrain restrain

  190. el gordo permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:53 pm

    ‘Stop making stuff up, asserting that your own views are the same as those of the ordinary/majority!’

    Guffaw…watermelon.

  191. Yin vs Yang permalink
    July 23, 2012 9:59 pm

    Simon Sheikh on Q & A: ‘Everyone knows x, so how can anyone argue against x?’

  192. July 23, 2012 11:16 pm

    Guffaw…watermelon.

    dickhead

  193. el gordo permalink
    July 23, 2012 11:33 pm

    What is it about conceited public servants?

    Your lot have rooned my party and we (of the socialist left) don’t thank you for it. The good news is that you will still be whinging about hate media long after the watermelon coalition becomes a rump. A right ratbag.

  194. July 24, 2012 1:44 am

    The good news is that you will still be whinging about hate media long after the watermelon coalition becomes a rump. A right ratbag.

    The only one whinging here is you, pages & pages of it, same thing over and over and over and over. I think we know who the hater is.

    You can come in from the cold war now, it’s been over for awhile. Progress is slow in redneck country though, guess it could take a few generations.

  195. July 24, 2012 2:26 am

    Canada still mines and exports asbestos to India (endoresed by the Indian Health Minister as safe) …

    TB, the callousness of the Indian Govt. has still not ceased to shock me…

    i am constantly faced by the rich/poor divide here… and the attitude of the people that if something happens to a “poorer” person, its ok.

    working conditions of daily wage labourers is the worst… awareness is nil on their part, but the so called educated engineers and architects who employ them and who SHOULD know better do nothingin order to save their costs….

    more to say but later… class now

  196. July 24, 2012 2:42 am

    Your lot have rooned my party and we (of the socialist left) don’t thank you for it.

    What party would that be? Is there a sooks party?
    Nice, it’s all the voters fault!

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 9:07 am

    • ALP stench/nosedive continues.
    • Gillard deeply unpopular.
    • No one likes Abbott.
    The only explanation is “it’s all the media’s fault”.
    ——————–
    Interesting observations about Indian employment culture, Lekhni.

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 9:08 am

    “Absolutely not and hasn’t been around for decades … Marxist if memory serves … The Market and Capitalism in TODAY”S world are one and the same …”

    You are twisting in the wind, TB. The tendency to monopoly is everywhere around us. I mentioned earlier the agricultural subsidies Western governments provide to their farmers to the very great detriment of third world agriculture. That is the opposite of free market economics. Or look at the Coles and Woolies duopoly. Adam Smith had this pegged centuries ago:

    “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

    There is always a market, even if it is directed and controlled by the state. Even in fuedal societies there were markets. The question is whether a free market system is the same as a capitalist system. The answer is clearly not.

    You can have a system which permits the private accumulation of capital but which has a market dominated by monopolies. Or, as with the German National Socialists, you can have private capital directed by the state.

    “Apparently factual history is something else that can be conveniently ignored, reassembled and rearranged to suit the conservative ‘reality’.”

    The Nazis did not wake up one day and decide that “socialist” was a really cool word to put into the party name. They were a working class movement whose intellectual roots come out of19th century socialist thought. They had a different approach to other socialists about how the state controlled the means of production. Instead of nationalising the means of production the state left them in private hands but controlled them through government directive.

    During the two years of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact the two socialisms were joined at the hip. Western communists did their best to sabotage the domestic war effort. When the Socialist siblings turned on each other the traditional left tried to pretend that the Nazis were “right wing” whatever that means.

    In both these cases the level of government control required to either command the economy or direct the use of capital necessarily involves a loss of freedom by the people. That is the basic flaw of socialism.

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 9:10 am

    http://www.news.com.au/national/voter-support-for-labor-drops-below-30pc/story-fncynjr2-1226433365052

    Link – ie evidence that everyone is right to blame the media.

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:10 am

    ”Mr Williamson’s brother Darren, his sister-in-law Monique Irvine, his close friend Cheryl McMillan and her sister-in-law Julie Astill were among the dozen highest-paid people in the union.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/hsu-20-million-of-dubious-spending-report-finds-20120723-22kmi.html#ixzz21UhN7dau

    This will have the Craig barrackers rejoicing! He’s not mentioned, therefore he must be innocent of all those annoying FWA findings.

    It’s all Williamson (and probably that turncoat Jackson)

  201. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:19 am

    “The question is whether a free market system is the same as a capitalist system. The answer is clearly not.”

    Absobloodylutely !

    The ultimate pinnacle for many a business is to dominate the market as a monopoly therefore controlling both supply and to a great degree price.

    Hence OPEC.

    Coles and Woolworths are 2 steps from such a situation (IGA would ned top be gobbled first) but no government in its right mind would allow it.

  202. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:23 am

    “This will have the Craig barrackers rejoicing! He’s not mentioned,”

    I think (in one of the papers today) he was mentioned in part of the Temby Report as being a recipient of an Amex Card from the Union publisher during the period 2007 to 2011.

    But Temby offered no opinion as to whether he considered that arrangement as part of a secret commission since it was not upto him to decide

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:29 am

    …and while I have the floor…

    Cafe Whispers has referred to this site as “right wing”. Congratulations TB, AO, HD etc.

    What is it that is ‘”right wing”? Is it advocating-
    • Marriage equality?
    • The rights of asylum seekers?
    • Ethical and transparent government?
    • The treatment of Julian Assange?

    On any evidence, this site provides progressive leads and opinions. Cafe Whispers contains mainly apologists for ALP government inactivity on each of the above progressive/left issues.

  204. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:32 am

    The Temby Report is so damning that clearly a full on Royal Commission should now be held into Trade Unions once the ALP are defeated/destroyed at the next election. At a minimum they ned to report just as any public company must report.

    And if the Trade Unions fight it then lets hope the Liberals threaten to repeal a certain section of the Income Tax Act.

    Lets start with this section………..

    Section 23 of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936 provides:

    “The following income shall be exempt from income tax: ….

    (f) The income of a trade union and the income of an association of employers or employees registered under any Act or State Act, or under any law enforced in a Territory being part of Australia relating to the settlement of industrial disputes.”

  205. July 24, 2012 10:36 am

    Not particularly bothered if I’m labelled by compromised limpets with heads up their arses, YomM.

    If they think I’m rightwing then they have very creative definitions of the term.

    I’m probably more leftish than a great majority of them, given I don’t blindly acquiesce to all & sundry of the ALP’s less-than-progressive stances & political mood changes.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:50 am

    That is the basic flaw of socialism.

    No-one is arguing that … except you …

    … BTW China is a Communist State … and all states have some control over the economy … its debatable whether communist states have more or less … whichever politico-economic combination you prefer … someone’s “freedom” will be limited … hopefully to provide some fairness in a relatively unjust world …

    … at the moment China seems to be winning the “Best Run Country” race …

    … check out the “progress” of rebuilding New Orleans …

    … there has always been takers, givers and sharers … I prefer the latter …

  207. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 11:03 am

    Dont fret TJ

    I’m sure if even Tim Dunlop ventured into the Cafe these days he’d be greeted by the Chief Dumb Waiter with…………………….

    “Why don’t you grow up, fuck off and stop your bullshit!”

  208. July 24, 2012 11:15 am

    chuckle..

    At this very moment, Julia Gillard is fronting the media with Hugh Jackman to talk about the latest Wolverine movie.

    Hugh Jackman jokes:

    “She’ll have a role as a stunt double – she’s very handy with a sword”

    I think he meant “knife”.

    🙂

  209. July 24, 2012 1:47 pm

    The Temby Report is so damning that clearly a full on Royal Commission should now be held into Trade Unions once the ALP are defeated/destroyed at the next election. At a minimum they ned to report just as any public company must report.

    Yes for running the unions as a company.The Temby report only looked at williamson so if others are to be investigated in a RC then Jackson and her backers will have to be included in that investigation also.

    It would appear that the HSU was already being run as a personal company by williamson and the others, the problem is the members were unaware that they were shareholders, they never shared in any of the profits even though they provided the money. Members thought they were buying a different product/service and the ‘family owned’ businesses didn’t stump up their own money.

    Cathy Jackson seems to think that she calls all the shots, the whole justice system must now bend to her will. Apparently everyone else can go but cathy alone should be reinstated to run the place! What do the members think though? I wonder if we will find out that another ‘australians for honest politicians’ slush fund is behind all of this? Hope the RC brings that out.

    Union in crisis: HSU hearing expedited:

    …Ms Jackson, who says she is self-funding the appeal, has asked the court to appoint her preferred administrator, Jeffrey Phillips, SC, in place of Mr Moore. She wants her position to be reinstated as well as that of all Victorian-based officials, bar Stuart Miller, an HSU organiser expected to lead a reform team in the Victoria No.1 branch elections.

    Ms Jackson also wants the appeals court to accept her affidavit containing further allegations against other HSU officials. She claims Justice Flick pressured her into withdrawing the affidavit during the original hearing…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/union-in-crisis-hsu-hearing-expedited-20120724-22m7m.html#ixzz21VTi87Kb

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 2:03 pm

    Of course AO!!

    Let’s talk about Kathy Jackson. She’s a union official who has declined to fall into line with the traditional union discipline, she’s expressing her views widely, rather than just sticking to the dark corridors of the ALP/union club.

    Best everyone target her rather than Williamson (former ALP President) or Thomson (current ALP saviour).

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 2:36 pm

    “Best everyone target her rather than Williamson (former ALP President) or Thomson (current ALP saviour).”

    Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that Jackson has a few skeletons in her closet. That doesn’t change a thing. She will have to account for that. But at least she has broken with the traditional Unionland rules of hiding the dirt from the public. The real focus should be on those who have parlayed their union positions into roles of real power and influence as Williamson and Thompson have done. Unless of course you would prefer that all this be swept under the carpet as was done in the Wilson/Gillard affair, in which case you will spend your days screeching about Jackson when you should be calling for a Royal Commission into this whole sleazy sewer that is Unionland.

  212. July 24, 2012 3:42 pm

    here’s the thing…

    i can honestly say that i miss home… if home is where the heart is… b’coz mine’s been stolen by this country down under….

    despite having lived there for a much shorter period of life than here in india where i was born and raised, i am compelled to admit that home for me is australia rather than india…

    i say this not because of the better quality of life or better employment etc there…

    i say it because i have found compassion, a regard for the fellow human being.. and yet no social obligations of having to confirm to a certain mould society sets for you.

    the reason i voted greens/labour in the last election was because i genuinely believed the social (NOT socialIST) conscience existed within the labour/green combine that was sorely missing from the 11 years of the HOward admin. i vociferously joined the UNIONS BOO chorus when the so-called right predicted the back stabbing of rudd.

    but now i don’t see too much difference in the right and so called lefts… those that loudly espoused the policies of the greens/labour combine then have suddenly changed their views …

    this is dangerous to say the least. the pbulic should be the conscience of the party, keeping it close to its policies, not changing their views with the views of the party!

    currently there is no difference between Liberal supporters and Julia supporters… both blindly follow the party not the agenda… they have forgotten or quashed the voices of their conscience in order to support the party they once believed in.

    yes, one must not hurl personal slurs at the current PM because she is a woman, but that does not mean she sjould be able to avoid the brickbats a male PM would get if he came forth with such policies…

    there’s feminism and then there’s FEMINISM!

  213. July 24, 2012 3:45 pm

    Unless of course you would prefer that all this be swept under the carpet as was done in the Wilson/Gillard affair, in which case you will spend your days screeching about Jackson when you should be calling for a Royal Commission into this whole sleazy sewer that is Unionland.

    Well, talk about screeching! i thought I spent a good deal of time writing about williamson in the paragraphs preceding my comments about jackson.

    Can blind prejudice render people blind?

    .

  214. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 3:47 pm

    Can I ask a rather simple set of questions ?

    Whilst Williamson was the ALP President did anyone in the Trade Union Movement or ALP wonder how he could afford a mansion in Sydney’s Mega Expensive Beachside Eastern Suburbs ?

    Whilst Williamson was the ALP President did anyone in the Trade Union Movement or ALP wonder how he could afford a fleet of basically new personal motor vehicles including I believe at leasty one brand new Merc ?

    Whilst Williamson was the ALP President did anyone in the Trade Union Movement or ALP wonder how he could afford European designer clothing ?

    Whilst Williamson was the ALP President did anyone in the Trade Union Movement or ALP wonder how he could afford to dine at such expensive restaurants ?

    Whilst Williamson was the ALP President did anyone in the Trade Union Movement or ALP wonder how he could afford a beachside architecturally designed holiday mansion ?

  215. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 3:55 pm

    Seems someone else thinks Chris Richardson of Access Economics (the Boom is over) is talking crap one again

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/accessing-a-headline-opinion-20120724-22m6k.html

  216. July 24, 2012 3:56 pm

    Can I ask a rather simple set of questions ?

    Can’t answer, not being actively involved in the trade union movement myself, or even knowing of williamson’s or HSU’s existence prior to all this.

    You might have to ask them of people who were in contact with williamson on a daily basis, but they appear to have been dressing, driving and living quite well themselves!

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:03 pm

    … a Royal Commission into this whole sleazy sewer that is Unionland.

    Why the “tar ‘n’ feather ’em all” all approach?

    Unions serve a very important role in our economy and politics … once again the few (Dickwits™) tarnish many thousands of people …

    Whether you like it or not … unions are the reason we live and work the way we do … remove them (and I know that’s the plan from the right) and the shonky businesses will run riot …

    We’ve got ToSY wanting small government (read unfettered or no legislation/regulation) and sp/ToM wanting no unions … in other words open slather for the rich and the mean to take advantage of the poor and the weak … history will repeat itself if given a chance …

    (Note: I grew up in “Luddite” country … and I’m very familiar with how the truth was twisted to favour the mill owners …)

    http://www.examiner.co.uk/neighbourhood-news/colne-valley/news/2012/04/26/huddersfield-celebrates-the-luddite-uprising-with-three-day-festival-86081-30841503/

    As our guide in, Egypt, oft whispered … “Nothing is new” …

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:07 pm

    “Can blind prejudice render people blind?”

    So you support a Royal Commission into the rorting of Unions then?

  219. July 24, 2012 4:12 pm

    Oh dear, another meltdown currently underway at teh cafe…

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/julia-only-the-best/#comment-95199

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:13 pm

    So you support a Royal Commission into the rorting of Unions then?

    Only if we have a Royal Commission on the influence of the Catholic Church (and any other religious group) in Federal Politics …

  221. July 24, 2012 4:14 pm

    remove them (and I know that’s the plan from the right) and the shonky businesses will run riot …

    i would rather have a stronger union than none at all….

    “no unions” would ensure the kind of progress that is visible here in india… there is no union for the privatised workforce….

    and the exploitation that occurs in this scenario is tremendous causing a rich get richer at the poor man’s expense syndrome…

    yes i have seen the dark side of unions too… to the extent of some employees being killed because they refused to toe the union line when a strike was called in the maruti plant at manesar. but then again corruption within the unions is rampant as it is elsewhere and everywhere in india.

    but against such brute force, in an economy such as ours, a controlled union which has itself been intrumental in forming the government is a good thing… so ok, it will probably lean too much towards the workers rather than the employers, but heck, its time SOMEONE spoke up for them…

    if the right is allowed to remove the unions from the workforce, the workday for a medium level employee will become equivalent to a day in hell!

    no safety norms to answer to, no payrises, no overtime for hours put in when required…

    of course, if you are one of the employers (which most of the rich conservatives are) then your days just started smelling of roses!

  222. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:16 pm

    “Why the “tar ‘n’ feather ‘em all” all approach?”

    We need a Royal Commission because this appears not to be an isolated incident. The stench of corruption goes to the highest office in the land.

    Given that the Labor side of parliament, especially in the Senate, is little more than a lap of honor for old unionists if there is to be any confidence in government we need to shine a light on the stinking corruption that appears to be so rife in Unionland.

    I would be interested to know how Ludwig got his litigation funded by the AWU, and a whole lot more about an AWU entity that spent tens of thousands of dollars at Town Mode.

    And don’t blame me for thinking bad things – Shorten or Howes as leaders of the AWU could have cleared this up and attempted to recover the money but they don’t seem to have been very successful about it.

    But of course if you’ve got no interest in cleaning up this stinking sewer then a Royal Commission is out of the question isn’t it?

  223. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:25 pm

    LOL………threats of legal action abound at the Cafe

    Pip versus Min

    Min will probably soon pop in to say Hello and be all nice before she pops back to slag a few of us off.

  224. July 24, 2012 4:46 pm

    Min has started her own blog, which is a good move considering how poorly she was treated by Pipglo.

    http://returntoblogocracy.wordpress.com/

  225. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:50 pm

    “Min has started her own blog, which is a good move considering how poorly she was treated by Pipglo.”

    Well this is now looking bigger than ALP/DLP split of the 50’s

  226. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:51 pm

    Is it devoted to Recipes and Poems ?

    Should I dare to look ?

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:52 pm

    ”sp/ToM wanting no unions …

    TB, that’s just nonsense. In you maturing years you get confused between criticism of the excesses of unionism** and the good work done by unions in a range of industries and occupations.

    **specific examples available upon request of thuggish industrial activity and the unhealthy level of control over the ALP
    —————
    Am I banned at Min’s new place?

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 4:55 pm

    The report clearly called for further investigation perhaps by an organisation with powers of a royal commission, Senator Abetz said.

    Now I get it, sp, just toing the LibNat Line of the Day … only just read the above …

    Still, in all honesty a Judicial Inquiry is probably more appropriate …

    … Royal Commissions are for more serious “crimes” like selling wheat to the enemy … in breach of a UN embargo and in a war the perpetrators deployed our troops to … how irony …

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:06 pm

    In you maturing years you get confused …

    Just a note that I find that remark offensive, just sayin’ …

    And I can assure you I am well aware of the different behaviours of different unions … just as I am aware of the different behaviours of management … and you know that … my objection is the blanket comments here that ALL unions are thugs and stand-over merchants …

    I have witnessed arsehole strategies from both sides … and I’ve experienced and been involved in extremely positive outcomes from mature negotiators …

    … I grew up in the “dark satanic hills” of Yorkshire … IR has influenced all my life, not just my working life …

    … and if ever I get “confused” … I’m sure it won’t be your diagnosis I shall heed, ToM …

  230. July 24, 2012 5:08 pm

    JAWS July 24, 2012 4:51 pm
    Is it devoted to Recipes and Poems ?

    maybe not entirely, but i do hope some…. my fans need a home too!

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:08 pm

    TB, if you don’t wish to get offended, perhaps you should avoid mischaracterising people’s views.

    Though I mean that in the nicest possible way.

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:19 pm

    ToM, I was offended at your characterisation of me … “mature and confused” … a very deliberate insult coming from you …

    … your subsequent reply carries a veiled threat that it will continue …

    … as for “mischaracterising people’s views” … Unions BOO! Was not a joke at Blogocracy, Blogocrats, Cafe Whispers, Gutter Trash et al … it was because of your repetitive posts that unions are bad … not some unions … unions … period …

    I can’t ever recall a post in the last five years that you have said that unions are a positive part of the IR mix … that’s not mischaracterisation …

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:21 pm

    ..and let me say that I hope Min’s new blog is a great success. I think it will do well without all the heavy handed intervention and OTT control.

  234. July 24, 2012 5:26 pm

    “We’ve got ToSY wanting small government (read unfettered or no legislation/regulation)”

    While we’re on the topic of mischaracterising people’s views, and just for the record, I have never advocated “unfettered or no legislation/regulation”. Ever.

  235. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:27 pm

    “Now I get it, sp, just toing the LibNat Line of the Day … only just read the above …”

    A nasty insinuation TB. I wasn’t aware of that until you posted it.

    How often have I actually praised the coalition?

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:27 pm

    Then you obviously don’t read that much TB.

    I have regularly posted about the good work done by the unions representing teachers and nurses, even police on one occasion.

    There are a number of unions that don’t get confused between their obligations to their members and their political objectives. I’ve been critical of those unions that are conflicted between their political/coverage objectives in the ALP, and the interests of their membership.

    Particularly I’ve been critical of unions involved in construction, mining and manufacturing. You’ll notice a significant degree of overlap among coverage, between industry and between unions.

    If you choose to mischaracterise my opinions and comments, I’ll always ensure you’re reminded of this, in the nicest possible way.

  237. July 24, 2012 5:28 pm

    The report clearly called for further investigation perhaps by an organisation with powers of a royal commission, Senator Abetz said.

    We all know that the burning desire of the IPA, the HR Nicholls Society and other employer outfits wish for nothing more than to knee cap the unions and deliver the final death blow. They do not believe that unions should have a right to exist in their neoliberal, capitalist takeover of australia – only unions stand in their way. Everything would be theirs for the taking, we will all be living in the ‘workers paradise’ of the US in the blink of an eye! Not for me thanks.

    So you support a Royal Commission into the rorting of Unions then?

    What have I got to fear? I support collective action and unions, I believe in their right to exist.

    I would support a RC into union rorting but if ToR allow it to delve wider into the Labor Party [as surely it must] then I want the Liberal and National parties and their funding/sources/machinations to be included equally in the scrutiny. Lets have a RC into the whole stinking corruption that is australian politicians and politics. I want corporations and lobbying/lobbyists included in the RC as well. While we’re about it, let’s have that RC into the media and one into the toothless tiger that is ASIC and another one into self-regulation and it’s lack of effectiveness. Oh, and let’s not forget the finance/banking sector!

  238. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:32 pm

    “I think it will do well without all the heavy handed intervention and OTT control.”

    I think the Cafe has proven that more than one Mod does not work

  239. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:33 pm

    You forgot the evil media as well, Armie. Surely Murdoch needs to be put in the box and made to explain how he dares publish ideas incompatible with Labor or Greens policy

  240. July 24, 2012 5:42 pm

    In you maturing years you get confused between criticism of the excesses of unionism** and the good work done by unions in a range of industries and occupations.

    Yes, I understand TB gets a bit sick of the age-ist remarks, OK when in light hearted fun but not when he contributes seriously with the most lucid and reasoned commentary. He educates us a lot about history as well. TB is no brain addled senior, he is switched on, progressive [much more than his conservative & more youthful adversaries here] thinking and dangerously funny. Oh, and I don’t mean to make light of his musician, artistic talents – a very talented man, that some would do well to emulate and match!

    This blog does a lot of union bashing and people could be forgiven for thinking that some push the belief that there is nothing good about any union.

    There is a distinct lack of criticism about employer unions, employer funded think tanks, the real elitism of wealth & power, and business controlling australian politics.

  241. July 24, 2012 5:43 pm

    You forgot the evil media as well, Armie.

    read it again sb 😆

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:46 pm

    “business controlling australian politics.”

    Federally, at least, a subsidiary of the union movement currently controls Australian politics.

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:46 pm

    If you choose to mischaracterise my opinions and comments, I’ll always ensure you’re reminded of this, in the nicest possible way.

    Then we have a mutual agreement … in the nicest possible way …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    While we’re on the topic of mischaracterising people’s views, and just for the record, I have never advocated “unfettered or no legislation/regulation”. Ever.

    You can be part of a Tripartite Agreement if you like, ToSY?

    Now you all know how it feels to have posts “misinterpreted” too … let’s move on … as they
    say.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How often have I actually praised the coalition?

    Dunno, shall I start counting? sp, its not that you “praise the coalition” but you never bag ’em either … you do bag the ALP a lot though … (and I can assure that there was no “nastiness” in my “insinuation” … I just questioned the “coincidence” … )

  244. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:46 pm

    “read it again sb”

    Apologies, Armie.

  245. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:48 pm

    “you never bag ‘em either”

    I’ve done so twice today. But I certainly don’t spend as much time on them as the evil mongrels currently running the country and rubbing our noses in their sleaze in the process.

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:50 pm

    You flatter me too much, KL! 😳

    But softens the “addled old fart” image that lurkers and newbies might get from ToM’s remarks …

  247. July 24, 2012 5:52 pm

    “TB is no brain addled senior”

    Have you got a link for that…?

  248. July 24, 2012 5:53 pm

    (just kidding…)

    😉

  249. July 24, 2012 5:54 pm

    So he’s not like Catching Up then.

    (Who clearly has a lot of catching up to do…)

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:54 pm

    I’ve done so twice today. OK … (not going to “find” them) … I was just expressing the “image” that comes across … we have had a number of posters over the years that purport to be fallen ALP angels … but are really playing the troll (in the true sense of the meaning) …

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:55 pm

    Have you got a link for that…?

    Bitch!

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 5:55 pm

    (just kidding…)
    😉

  253. So there, take that permalink
    July 24, 2012 6:10 pm

    There have been a few who have criticised my work, or disputed it but I had expected that.

    What I didn’t expect is just how weak the arguments of those who attacked me would be. None of them disputed any of the evidence, and no wonder, Kathy Jackson herself verified it with her statements, saying that selective documents were being leaked by us to paint her in bad light.

    There were those who said that my insinuation that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same building was misleading. I would like to clear that one up now.

    I no longer insinuate this, I declare it, I confirm it 100%, it is fact, it is not something in doubt, it is completely true. I hope I have made that clear for all.

    Apparently working in the same office means didley squat though, they may as well be in separate cities according to some of the more feeble minded among us. What a load of cobblers… Mind you, the same inbred half-wits think I am in the neighboring electorate to Craig Thomson. My neighboring MP’s are actually Michelle Rowland, Julie Owen’s, and Phillip Ruddock, none of whom resemble Craig Thomson in the slightest.

    http://wixxy.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/dirty-old-town/

  254. July 24, 2012 6:19 pm

    Federally, at least, a subsidiary of the union movement currently controls Australian politics.

    But look deeper, they are beholden to industry interests, the unions pressure the government on behalf of industry, they work hand in hand together, hence the jobs, jobs, jobs mantra. MP’s do the bidding of industry through union pressure [against the wishes of the community] or lose their seats . Except for female dominated industry, their unions don’t seem to be able to command the same power.

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 6:20 pm

    Was your original “insinuation” that they “worked” in the same building or that they “colluded” in the same building? Just askin’ ….

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 6:26 pm

    I agree, KL, the reason that many of us say that the ALP has moved too close to the “centre” of politics is their “deeper” involvement with business … although Abbott today was reiterating his repealing of the MRRT and the Carbon Tax …

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 6:27 pm

    I think it’s pathetic that “So there, take that” blocks comments. He’s posted plenty to comment on. He’s another who prefers to choose his debating opponents, chooses censorship over open debate.

  258. July 24, 2012 6:27 pm

    I haven’t really read much of wxxy’s “work” but from a scant reading of that link alone it’s hard to not avoid reaching the conclusion that he seems a tad “unhinged.”

  259. July 24, 2012 6:34 pm

    LOL! I’ve been banned at teh cafe…

    I was going to say “was it something I said”, but perhaps it would be more appropriate to ask “was it something that I didn’t get the opportunity to say?”

    What a pathetic bitter little mob they’ve become. Min’s wise to have ditched them.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 6:36 pm

    … he seems a tad “unhinged.”

    That’s a bit OTT, sreb, 😉 … more like thinking that he’s cleverly del>weasely“sneaky” with words … and I confess I haven’t read any of Wixxy’s posts … just some of the stoush stuff with he and ToM … and link to the Australian Kangaroo Court … 😯 … (’cause it was amusing interesting to see ’em both bullshitting each other) … but the “confirm 100%” nonsense takes the cake … working in the same building and then drawing “whisper” conclusions is a bit silly …

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 6:39 pm

    There is no credibility for a political site (ie Wicks) that has a blanket ban on those able to scrutinise the post. It’s timid, weak.

    To all the lecturing – so what? It’s meaningless without debate.

  262. July 24, 2012 6:51 pm

    I haven’t really read much of wxxy’s “work” but from a scant reading of that link alone it’s hard to not avoid reaching the conclusion that he seems a tad “unhinged.”

    Seems hinged to me, only people who take the Liberal Party and their connections at face value could think as you do.
    You would need to ignore their repeated, almost illegal dirty dealings and ‘ends justifies the means” philosophy [remember godwin grech, and the no. of pollies involved in the slipper allegations].

    In my view, members need to ensure that anybody associated with either Jackson or Williamson is not elected. But that is just my opinion, based on the evidence I have seen.

    That has always been my opinion, they are all guilty and none should be rewarded.

    …Some of you may also remember all the hullabaloo over Kathy Jackson’s affidavit that Justice Flick suppressed so it could not be made public. The affidavit was a lame attempt to smear the name of Federal Minister Bill Shorten.

    Although the affidavit was suppressed it still managed to be leaked out to the public in a bizarre manner.

    Jackson claimed, bringing her children into it once again, that one of her children playing on the computer must have accidentally sent it out. This was not to be confused with contempt of court, oh no… Apparently this kind of thing happens all the time. Kiddies get into their mummies email, stumble on files that are suppressed by Federal Court, accidentally attach them to emails, and then somehow manage, to quite by chance, stumble on to journalists names in the email address book, and accidentally email them to these journalists… Like I said, it happens all the time. But only in Jacksonville…

    She plays a dirty game too, this little ‘angel’ and martyr for the cause! I refuse to call her a whistleblower as she has shown so much self interest with little concern for that of the membership. I don’t agree with using her children as pawns in her political game, that’s lowdown. Now she is insisting that she be given her old job back despite her own collusion and corruption…because she insists she deserves it.

    My theory is that it is the reward promised by the Lib/Nats for her ongoing betrayal.

    Who do you think leaked the temby report? Who would have had it?

  263. We don't need your Fokker Friendship permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:13 pm

  264. July 24, 2012 7:27 pm

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:32 pm

    ToSY, not only have you demonstrated a tendency to live in the past (this vid was on Youtube five years or more ago) …

    … but it’s racist – implying that Germans are stupid … and having been to Germany and having a very close, German born, friend, (my Teutonic friend, you may recall), I can assure you that they are certainly far from that …

    …. but you have also insulted my family … The Minister for War, Water, Finance, Power & Fun (for those who don’t know – my wife), is actually related to, Anthony Fokker … the world famous aeroplane designer … (and I am serious, BTW, and I can provide proof if you want it) … you may recall that she was born in Holland?

    Having said that … any offence is accepted as genuine poor judgement …

  266. July 24, 2012 7:36 pm

    I’ve flown on a fokker.

  267. Meet the Fokkers permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:37 pm

    Fokk you, TB.

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:38 pm

    Seems my posts go into “Moderation” at CW too … what have you done?

    Sticky business … 😯

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:40 pm

    Fokk you, TB.

    LOL! Tetchy old sod! 😆

    I’ve flown on a fokker

    I’ve flown on a few … 😉

  270. Teutonic fiend permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:42 pm

    😉

  271. July 24, 2012 7:43 pm

    Jaws, absolutely no intention of slagging off anyone..well, only those who deserve it *evil Min*.

    IATW, come to think of it, when did you and I ever come to a disagreement. Pip has threatened me on numerous occasions..thank you very much I would like my 165 posts back.

  272. Mrs Slocombe's pussy permalink
    July 24, 2012 7:49 pm

    “IATW, come to think of it, when did you and I ever come to a disagreement.”

    😯

  273. July 24, 2012 7:57 pm

    My pussy is in far better condition than it once was..yeah ok, I was a bit Miss Prissy in those days. Hey guess what, my divorce is final on 21st September after 37yrs of hell!!!

  274. July 24, 2012 8:01 pm

    LOL!!!

  275. July 24, 2012 8:02 pm

    Damn, the case of the mysterous disapearing posts.

    Anyway, friends and foes I don’t know how Return to Blogocracy might go, but you know me I’ll keep trying.

    From reb (damn me and my Aspgerger’s memory)..now what was it. Things are still the same, TB has new teeth and Min is still the moderating influence.

    White light and blessings to all.

  276. el gordo permalink
    July 24, 2012 8:53 pm

    Hi Min, congrats on the divorce.

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 9:45 pm

    Wicks wets himself over this comment from FWA investigator Nassios – “..it would not stand up to police scrutiny”

    Hardly unsurprising as the report wasn’t compiled to meet the criminal standard. It was to meet the standard required by FWA – the civil standard. It’s stuff like that that which proves Wicks has no idea.

    Then he has his HUGE RETREAT!!“There were those who said that my insinuation that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same building was misleading

    He’s retreated from his original claim ”they shared an office

    Wicks is full of crap, and is too much of a coward to allow these matters to be raised on his site.

    Apologies Min, I believe he’s a mate of yours. You should start associating with people who are more transparent, not to mention intelligent.

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 9:59 pm

    AO – Who do you think leaked the temby report? Who would have had it?

    Anyone on the executive.

    Obviously Jackson isn’t lilywhite. But she has only been a union official. She wasn’t President of the ALP. She isn’t a Member of Parliament. The government doesn’t retain office because of her single vote.

    The debate about Jackson is a red herring.

  279. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:12 pm

    Min,

    I just love picking spats just with some of the company you keep got no dramas with you either.

    Welcome to the Dark Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide

    LOL

  280. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:16 pm

    ###########NEWS FLASH#########

    Craig Thomson’s wife giving reasons why she still loves him in
    Women’s Day tomorrow.

    Essential read I s’pose

  281. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 10:24 pm

    Oh its the Women’s Weekly apparently

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 11:00 pm

    It seems that the latest Cafe exchange has been completely removed! Amazing.

  283. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 11:06 pm

    Oh that’s very sad ain’t it ToM

    Would you like a copy of it ?

    I took a copy up until a certain time in the last hour. It was too good to lose .

    Is it gmail or hotmail you are at ?

  284. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2012 11:08 pm

    tomofmelbourne@gmail.com

  285. JAWS permalink
    July 24, 2012 11:21 pm

    Enough to read ?

  286. July 25, 2012 12:48 am

    ➡ 😦

  287. July 25, 2012 7:41 am

    “It seems that the latest Cafe exchange has been completely removed! Amazing”

    Extraordinary!

    Perhaps it never really happened?

    I think it only fitting that in the interests of honesty and transparancy that we reproduce any such record here.

    Jaws, would you mind sending it to me?

  288. el gordo permalink
    July 25, 2012 8:02 am

    Williams takes a well deserved pay rise and the HSU members whinge….no appreciation of the hard yards this man has put in.

    ‘While the average salary of Health Services Union members is between $50,000 and $60,000, Mr Williamson was collecting more than six times that amount. His union salary was revealed to be $395,000; on top of that he received another $150,000 from union-related board positions.

    ‘Mr Williamson received a 25 per cent pay rise last year. He achieved only a 2.5 per cent rise in wages for his members.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/members-furious-over-hsu-spending-20120724-22ni3.html#ixzz21a0jOhv2

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 9:05 am

    Ta, sreb, I’ll have a read of that (just made our final payment for the “deluxe” cabins) …

    … I’m a bit sad this morning seems I really have been banned from CW … it was only a couple of weeks ago, Migssy, was asking me for personal advice …

    Seems I got thrown out with your lot’s dirty bath water …

    (Someone said what a lovely photo of Thomson and his Missus in the AWW … all I posted was … “Well they wouldn’t use a bad one would they?” …

    Someone it seems has put a blanket ban on ALL TDT posters … how amusing …

    I just did a “ban test” post at CW and it “failed” so I thought I might share some “old” news with youse all …

    +++++++++++++++++++++ NEWS SPECIAL ++++++++++++++++++++++

    When Cafe Whispers was being set up, The Farnham Bear, insisted on me NOT being emailed and advised of the new blog being set up (apparently I was not the type of poster he wanted there) … and it was agreed to by Migs and Min … 🙄

    (While you lot were ranting about the “stolen” email list … LOL!)

    … so unfounded censorship is not new at CW it was a foundation platform 😆

    … I was banned before I even posted! 😯

    Of course, when I found out, I was not pleased and said so to Migs and Min … they saw the error of their ways and was “allowed” to post …

    …later some of you saw, The Farnham Bear’s, reaction to any of my posts that challenged his “in depth reporting” cut and pastes …

    Just sayin’

  290. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 9:24 am

    “Jaws, would you mind sending it to me?”

    Sure

    Send me your email to the address on this post (not previous ones)

  291. July 25, 2012 9:30 am

    I wonder if Mr Wicks will allow me the opportunity to respnd to being called an inbred? That is quite a nasty slur on my family

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 9:37 am

    TB, when a site sets out to prevent comments, it isn’t a political blog, it isn’t ‘left wing’ either. It’s just a bunch of dumb, confused zealots.

  293. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 9:45 am

    “That is quite a nasty slur on my family”

    Well your photo does have a certain “Beverley Hillbilly” look to it

    Ay Jethroe

    LOL

  294. July 25, 2012 9:48 am

    TB, I had my ban lifted at CW, and had been making a few fairly innocuous comments there in recent weeks…

    It was only after I posted this fairly harmless observation that “Ad Astra posts his usual pro-Labor stance on asylum seekers” that I was then banned (again).

    That fairly harmless comment was sufficient to warrant this response from Miglo:

    “Reb, why don’t you grow up, fuck off and stop your bullshit.”

    Which I thought was a bit over the top. But anyway, who cares. As I’ve said before they really don’t handle dissenting views there and anyone who strays from the “Julia Cheer Squad” mentality is simply slammed as a troll and banned.

    It’s shallow and pathetic.

    They’ve shafted Min now, so why anyone would want to participate in that sad sack of pathetic pschos, liars and frauds is beyond me.

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 9:50 am

    Meanwhile, Wicks just continues provide political distraction over the grubby Thomson.

    *He retreats from previous statements
    *Bans anyone that points this out
    *Fails to establish any link between Lawler and Nassios
    *Admits to ‘throwing mud’ at Jackson, but objects to suggestions that it is politically motivated
    *Tries to start discussing the issues in private email, that he bans on his blog

    Wicks’ credibility=nil.

  296. July 25, 2012 10:01 am

    ……and continues to deny that the area defined by the state electoral boundaries known as Hawkesbury is anywhere near the area defined by the federal electoral boundaries known as Dobell. From what I can tell, he’s trying to redefine my point as though I was talking about his family home. As I don’t know, nor care, where he lives, I can’t be certain.

    Anyhow, I’ve printed his post and will be sure to forward a copy to any other contestants should he be so bold as to run for a seat again.

  297. July 25, 2012 10:04 am

    Jaws, that was after a hard day hay carting. In 35deg. Fark I was knackered.

  298. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 10:07 am

    “…..so why anyone would want to participate in that sad sack of pathetic pschos, liars and frauds is beyond me.”

    So you only just noticed ?

  299. July 25, 2012 10:07 am

    In case I hadn’t made it clear earlier, Peter Wicks is a fraud.

  300. Three cheers for Our Julia permalink
    July 25, 2012 10:18 am

    I never commented at Cafe Whispers because I have always objected to the way it was started: Miglo as a privileged author of one of Reb’s blogs secretly harvested the email list and selectively invited commenters to join him (mostly those whose commenting history conformed to the staunchly pro-Gillard stance the blog has exhibited since). The remaining uninvited commenters were banned at the start (a situation that constantly changed where some were later admitted – like TB above – then banned again). As ToM said, it’s not a political blog in the sense that politics is debated. It’s a pro-Labor, pro-Gillard cheer squad.

  301. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 10:32 am

    So did you want a copy Reb or has ToM passed it on ?

  302. July 25, 2012 10:39 am

    I sent an email to your hotmail address…..

  303. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 10:47 am

    “Seems I got thrown out with your lot’s dirty bath water …”

    Funnily enough I didn’t have you pegged as a right-wing troll, TB. Being an innocent victim of that slur myself, I feel your pain!

    I don’t understand the history of this family feud. It deserves a piece in Wikipedia, including a genealogy tree.

  304. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 10:52 am

    “I sent an email to your hotmail address…..”

    It was in Spam

    Check your Inbox

  305. el gordo permalink
    July 25, 2012 11:26 am

    TomR seems fairly entrenched in that delusional world, which is understandable considering his Deltoid background, but I liked his sense of humor.

    Mate…if you read this, to my way of thinking you’re always welcome here at TDT.

  306. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 11:27 am

    Reb

    I just sent you another email

    Please read.

  307. July 25, 2012 11:35 am

    Jaws, I got the first one but not the second one…..

  308. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 11:46 am

    Go right down the very bottom of the first one and delete the dummy email addresses and stuff

    My second email was from another of my dummy email addresses so it might be in Spam or you’ll see something from “cameron”

    Thats all

  309. July 25, 2012 11:51 am

    are you able to re-send it?

  310. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 11:55 am

    Done

  311. July 25, 2012 12:00 pm

    Message received and understood…

    The entire sorry saga is now online here..

  312. July 25, 2012 12:00 pm

    TB and

    When Cafe Whispers was being set up, The Farnham Bear, insisted on me NOT being emailed and advised of the new blog being set up (apparently I was not the type of poster he wanted there) … and it was agreed to by Migs and Min … 🙄

    I had absolutely no idea that you hadn’t been invited. It was me who pushed Michael to invite you to do the ANZAC Day topic..my idea.

  313. July 25, 2012 12:03 pm

    I should add that Michael also thought it to be a great idea. Thinking back, it was probably considered that you were fairly settled at GT, hence the reason for the late invite.

  314. July 25, 2012 12:07 pm

    Miglo seems to think that a lot of things were “a good idea at the time.”

  315. July 25, 2012 12:11 pm

    I’m sure Tiger Woods thought it a good idea at the time as well.

  316. July 25, 2012 12:12 pm

    and Rebekah Brooks…

  317. July 25, 2012 12:28 pm

    I think it’s pathetic that “So there, take that” blocks comments. He’s posted plenty to comment on. He’s another who prefers to choose his debating opponents, chooses censorship over open debate…

    If you behave like a troll, you get treated like one.

    Is anyone else really, really sick and tired of these ongoing blog wars. Friends one day, screaming in rage and tears the next then on to habitual peeping tom, voyeuristic behaviour with added gossip and speculation.

    I find it tedious, tiresome and quite annoying. I think people should show a little maturity and perhaps some personal dignity too.

    Just sayin’

  318. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 12:33 pm

    “I think people should show a little maturity and perhaps some personal dignity too.”

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ………You’re asking alot for around these parts ……………………….LOL

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 12:34 pm

    Me too …

  320. July 25, 2012 12:39 pm

    If you behave like a troll, you get treated like one.

    Is anyone else really, really sick and tired of these ongoing blog wars. Friends one day, screaming in rage and tears the next then on to habitual peeping tom, voyeuristic behaviour with added gossip and speculation.

    I find it tedious, tiresome and quite annoying. I think people should show a little maturity and perhaps some personal dignity too.

    Just sayin’

    Kittylitter, I can assure you there was no troll like behaviour (depending on your definition, I guess).

    Tom certainly posted first and repeatedly. His questions were basic and repeatedly rephrased and given different answers. So he repeated his basic questions.

    My own post was first made on CW, and when challenged to take it up with Wicks, it was deleted and followed up with a series of what I considered to be quite hysterical emails.

    And now he, or one of his supporters, has the hide to anonymously post (and copy here) with language such as “inbreds” without offering a right of reply. It’s his blog, good luck to him. But it certainly shows that he is a spineless fraud. Which I guess was my point all along.

  321. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 12:49 pm

    yomm shrieked

    Then he has his HUGE RETREAT!! – “There were those who said that my insinuation that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same building was misleading”

    He’s retreated from his original claim ”they shared an office”

    If you read his ‘discussion’ with you, anyone can realise that he used the term ‘office’ to imply ‘office building’, not a singular ‘office’ room

    Lawler and Nassios work in the same office. No matter who supervises them, they share an office, I understand they work seperately, but if you have ever worked in an office, it is not uncommon for people to mix with other departments and form relationships, if fact, it would be awfully strange if they didn’t.
    I work in sales, but I have always known, socialised with, had drinks with, had lunch with, shared an office kitchen with people from accounts, marketing, shipping….

    https://wixxy.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/the-gentle-art-of-making-enemies/#comment-1762

    If a singular ‘office’ can have multiple people from different departments, that is a fairly large ‘office’ we are talking about, and generally indicates a building (open space office perhaps), not a singular ‘office’ entity. His further reference to meeting at the ‘office kitchen’ would have given away if the previous bit didn’t. It appears neither one has flicked the switch for you?

    Granted, his line they share an office, taken out of context (why would you do that?) looks bad, but, with this nasty ‘context’ applied, it is very clear he is talking about a general office building, not a single room.

    No wonder he doesn’t want to engage with you.

  322. July 25, 2012 12:51 pm

    James, I have to stand up for wixxy on this one. He did not have a clue that you had posted to CW. Wixxy therefore read your comment and decided to delete it without any reference to any other blog. I did let him know about your comments on CW, but this was AFTER the event of him deleting your comment on his own blog. Wixxy is a completely independent author who cross posts, much the same as Kevin Rennie.

  323. July 25, 2012 12:53 pm

    “Wixxy therefore read your comment and decided to delete it ”

    An increasingly popular pass time in some circles it seems….

  324. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 1:09 pm

    “Is anyone else really, really sick and tired of these ongoing blog wars. ”

    I’m amused by the irony ………..perhaps because reb’s blog was classified as “dying” by a few

  325. July 25, 2012 1:16 pm

    I couldn’t care whether he knew I had posted at CW or not.

    He can choose to post or not post my comments on his blog. It’s his blog.

    What he can’t choose to do is circulate my email address without permission. What he shouldn’t do is refer to people as “inbred”. What he also shouldn’t do is infer interference in an investigation without any evidence whatsoever then try to create a picture of a couple of people sharing workstations when this is clearly not the case.

    And it would be manners, if you are going to block comment on a particular subject, to not waltz over here with the insulting garbage above, or even post on your own blog personal insults without the right of reply.

    But, as I have said a few times now, it all points to him being a fraud.

  326. July 25, 2012 1:40 pm

    i>…depending on your definition, I guess…

    I guess so, my definition would be, attention seeking behaviour, the refusal to accept answers or statements given, rabbiting on about irrelevant and unnecessary detail to try to confuse the other bloggers and negate the issues. Focusing on pointless discussion and generally trying to cause as much distraction from the issues as possible. Then there is staging your own version of Q & A so you can report it all to the voyeurs on another blog.

    I can understand the personal emails because the guy would have to be very careful what he says in a public forum when a certain ‘not even accountable to parliament’ person is threatening litigation. He’s not dealing with joe blow from nowhere, these are influential and powerful people.

    And I can understand that he wouldn’t want his blog to be reduced to the kind of tit for tat stuff that goes on at the cafe and here which is more about personalities and opinions than facts.
    Not that I comment anywhere else but here [I don’t have the time], but I am capable of being a bit objective.

    Also, tomM seems to have a lot of ‘insider’ type knowledge about almost everything to do with all aspects of the business of government and private enterprise – how so? Where does he obtain all this political info/ammunition for what he alleges and accuses – no evidence is ever provided, just assertions [he has always been like that, I know]. He hardly ever argues anything about the actual issues, more about jumping up and down on the sidelines, distracting and obsessively focusing on unimportant detail and misrepresenting the facts [eg the stimulus to schools], demanding that others dance to his tune – why should they? The prissy pyne of TDT! 😆
    Now, I might seem a bit harsh, and I apologise if I have it wrong, I guess everyone thinks differently, but that is how it looked to me, he targets people for his brand of mischief.

    The very big problem I have with conflict of interest and politicisation [and peter wicks too] seems to have been completely ignored as if this is quite OK and accepted professional behaviour – it is not, in any organisation, especially unaccountable regulatory bodies.

    But, as I have said a few times now, it all points to him being a fraud.

    I was thinking that you two are trying to make it appear so, but your own behaviour points to the fraud…that of not being genuinely interested in the issues, just wanting to create shit so you can make the [false] accusation to suit your own partisan political purposes [ I’ll TradeMark that as – PPP 🙂 ]

  327. el gordo permalink
    July 25, 2012 1:41 pm

    ‘If you behave like a troll, you get treated like one.’

    Kitty do me a favor, go over to CW and tell us if you get banned?

  328. July 25, 2012 1:52 pm

    What he shouldn’t do is refer to people as “inbred”.

    Being a bit thin skinned, sensitive and precious aren’t we? Must I remind you of some of your past ‘debates’ 🙂

    What he also shouldn’t do is infer interference in an investigation without any evidence whatsoever then try to create a picture of a couple of people sharing workstations when this is clearly not the case…

    There are many ‘exposes’ of people in positions of power and influence doing exactly that and covering it up. The man didn’t even come clean about who his girlfriend was when he was directly involved in hearing previous HSU matters – it had to be complained about and then he got shunted off to another section. He refuses to acknowledge his conflicts of interest and in doing so shows that he must be trying to prejudice and influence certain findings and outcomes for his own purposes.

  329. July 25, 2012 2:01 pm

    I was thinking that you two are trying to make it appear so, but your own behaviour points to the fraud…that of not being genuinely interested in the issues, just wanting to create shit so you can make the [false] accusation to suit your own partisan political purposes [ I’ll TradeMark that as – PPP ]

    I can assure you that our actions were not coordinated..

    For my part, the various places I wander to read the stuff that interests me meant that I was provided often links to Wicks’ campaign. I made comment on it (on point) at CW. Those at CW challenged me to repeat my views at Wicks’ blog. So I did. Tom had previously asked a series of questions but my issue was broader than Tom’s.

    Wicks had made a bunch of assertions. They all rely on each other to tell the story. A number of those assertions appear to be without foundation. Tom, and I have sought information as to the foundation. Wicks has avoided this and resorted to abuse.

    He is, therefore, to my mind, a fraud.

  330. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 2:03 pm

    Listening to the Radio and it seems a lot of people are very very angry.

    It appears the very first of the post July 1 Carbon Tax Affected power bills are landing in people’s post boxes.

    Seems like the “lived” experience Julia was talking about will be her political death.

  331. July 25, 2012 2:04 pm

    Being a bit thin skinned, sensitive and precious aren’t we? Must I remind you of some of your past ‘debates’

    Go for your life. You won’t find anywhere that I’ve used that kind of language, at least not in the first instance. I may have responded in kind in the heat of debate. Slightly different to some days later.

  332. July 25, 2012 2:17 pm

    Tom, and I have sought information as to the foundation. Wicks has avoided this and resorted to abuse.

    Why would he give you his sources? Even journo’s would go to jail rather than hand over confidential sources of information.

    You amaze me with your naivety [and your expectations of others!]

    Gotta go now.

  333. July 25, 2012 2:24 pm

    Don’t want his sources. Just his foundations. Different thing.

  334. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 3:10 pm

    Wicks has made all sorts of allegations about Lawler. In my view the worst that can be said is that he may have been a little injudicious in his choice of partner.

    But Wicks has taken the smear much, much further, he’s made a range of slurs.

    Without the smear there is no connection between the FWA report on Thomson and Jackson. So he is compelled to invent stuff. Without Lawler, there can be no inappropriate influence over the report, so he has to continue with a smear that is stupid and now completely discredited.

    Wicks just makes it up, then bans the people how can point this out.

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 3:11 pm

    then bans the people how who can point this out.

  336. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 3:50 pm

    And isn’t it wonderful to see Zoe Thomson in the Woman’s Weekly defending her husband Craig against these scurrilous rumours put about by the likes of ToM and sancty that the love of her life, Craig, has spent Union funds on women whose admiration for the men they are with is measured by the hour.

  337. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 3:52 pm

    and now completely discredited

    How was it “completely discredited”? I must have missed that bit

  338. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 3:54 pm

    A “lovely picture” apparently.

  339. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:05 pm

    Well Tom R, I think Wicks is completely discredited by-
    • Admitting it just “mud throwing” at Jackson
    • Making a fact free smear
    • Being completely unable to establish any connection between Lawler and Nassios
    • Relying on an association between them to demonstrate that the report on Thomson was tainted
    • Retreating so humiliatingly from the “they share an office” association
    • Being completely flummoxed in attempting to explain how the report could have been compiled under the supervision of Tim lee (former ALP advisor, union official, ALP appointee to FWA)
    • Obfuscating about how it could have been released given that Iain Ross is an ALP appointee to FWA president (former ACTU official)
    • Seeking to continue the debate in private emails that he’s banned on his blog

    …but thanks for the opportunity to say all that again.

  340. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:08 pm

    “A “lovely picture” apparently.”

    LOL…………..yeah I saw that

    They do make for a rather fetching couple dont they ?

  341. JAWS permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:08 pm

    What they hell does “fetching” mean in that sense anyway ?

  342. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:10 pm

    I skipped all of the dot points when I got to this piece of obfuscation

    Retreating so humiliatingly from the “they share an office” association

    😯

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/rostrum-3/#comment-2837

    I’ll just assume the rest are as ‘fact free’ as that one

  343. Meta permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:14 pm

    (In law, there’s an idea of repeat-players v. one-shotters; it’s possible for repeat-players to skew outcomes; much like insider-trading, Lawler’s intimate knowledges of internal FWA processes, if one party to a proceeding had access to them, or was coached, etcetera might be enough to substantively, if (in)directly, affect a report, the interactive steps undertaken to produce it, its findings. Did Lawler “intervene”…at all?)

  344. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:16 pm

    Although, from your little list, it looks about as solid as anything on Thom(p)son.

    Which is all he has ever really argued. He has never declared that ‘she now has a case to answer’, to my knowledge?

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:19 pm

    The smear was that Wicks said “they share an office”, and then went on to say …” This would not be the first time a work colleague helped out another, influenced another, scratched anothers back etc”

    He didn’t say “they work in a 12 story building with a hundred others and they might happen to have made an acquaintance”

    It’s only once he’s had to retreat that he’s tried this interpretation in his rear vision mirror.

    He’s smeared and been exposed for that.

    You should read the rest of my dot point, it’s all evidence that he’s not to be believed.

    Particularly the one about him seeking to continue a debate in emails that he banned on his blog

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:31 pm

    I don’t mind if people say that Jackson has a case to answer, because-
    *She’s only a union official
    *She doesn’t hold a position such as president of the ALP
    *She isn’t a member of parliament
    *The governmetn isn’t relying on her for its survival

    Jackson probably has plenty to answer for, but it isn’t of such public interest as Thomson.

  347. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 4:57 pm

    I know people in FWA. Maybe I influenced the investigation?

  348. Six degrees permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:07 pm

    My next door neighbour’s dog shat in the back yard of a postman who sometimes delivers mail to that office building. That probably makes someone guilty of something.

  349. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:09 pm

    Seems to me that the argument at its strongest is that “it might be possible that Lawler might have influenced Nassios therefore I can throw mud at him and demand answers”. All of this on the basis that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same city building. No credit card imprint, no drivers licence details, no mobile phone records, no unexplained cash withdrawals – just the desperate fantasies of a political opportunist.

    The fantasising wanker behind these allegations should take them to the police or FWA and then await the outcome of any enquiry before deigning to comment further. Of course if he is just a low-grade smear artist he will throw about his baseless accusations like a compulsive poo-flinger and those hypocrites who not so long ago were squawking for due process to run its course in the Thomson case will be in there feasting on the poo and flinging it for all they are worth.

  350. el gordo permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:12 pm

    Abbott’s a real dickhead.

    ‘CONSERVATIVE premiers have urged greater Chinese investment in their states, a day after Tony Abbott declared state-owned Chinese companies should not control Australian businesses.

    ‘NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell said he was keen to secure more investment from economies in the region.

    “I’ll continue to argue for state interests because I’m the state premier,” he said in Canberra ahead of today’s Council of Australian Governments meeting.

    “And clearly increased trade and investment between China and NSW, between NSW and India, or other countries, is good for jobs in NSW.”

    Ben Packham in the Oz.

  351. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:28 pm

    The fantasising wanker behind these allegations should take them to the police or FWA and then await the outcome of any enquiry before deigning to comment further.

    Just like what happened to Thom(p)son I guess 😯

    No credit card imprint, no drivers licence details, no mobile phone records, no unexplained cash withdrawals

    Lots of documents though 😉

    http://wixxy.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/things-that-make-you-go-hmmm/

    It’s not precisely fact free is it?

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:34 pm

    Yawn … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Now I know why you lot regurgitate blogs wars … all you need is a theme …

  353. July 25, 2012 5:45 pm

    Oh, that’s far too pedestrian TB…

    Clearly you have no experience in planning extravagant musical productions.

    If we’re going to have “BLOG WARS – THE MUSICAL” then it needs to have a narrative..

    Like, a beginning , a middle and an end…

    So here’s a opening number when every was starting out nice…

  354. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:46 pm

    “Lots of documents though “

    What have they got to do with Lawler?

    The fact is that rusted-ons were screeching for due process for Thomson in spite of the mountain of evidence against him. But now, on the basis of absolutely no evidence whatsoever, they are trying to hang, draw and quarter Lawler. Stinking hypocrites.

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:55 pm

    Like, a beginning , a middle and an end…

    Here’s a contender for the MIDDLE ..

    Nearly as good as my version … 😉

  356. Meta permalink
    July 25, 2012 5:55 pm

    (So, foundationally-speaking, ‘we’ do see the conundrum: due process means due process; and deviation from it, actual or constructive or potential, by accident or by circumstance or by design, are, perhaps, matters considerable.)

  357. July 25, 2012 5:55 pm

    roflmao @ the inbreds.

  358. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:00 pm

    None of those documents relate in any way to Lawler, TomR? That’s the point.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:00 pm

    OR THIS …

    And for the original hit folks …

  360. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:02 pm

    Well he says it like it’s a bad thing, Toilet. How do you think Reb and our Tasmanian lurkers feel about that?

  361. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:06 pm

    The point is that the rusted-ons are clutching at straws and sadly the straw between their legs is taking a real beating as they reach around for more shit to throw.

  362. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:07 pm

    “How do you think Reb and our Tasmanian lurkers feel about that?”

    Not sure – it may be an advantage to have twelve fingers to type with.

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:08 pm

    roflmao @ the inbreds.

    Well you would say that, Crow Eater … 😆

    … however that term is more related to the Taswegians I believe … (I must admit the email correspondence I’ve had from Taswegians sound very much like we Australians … quite amazing)

    I watched a newsdoco re the museum of old and new art recently and the “owner” owed $37 million in taxes because he was a member of a gambling syndicate that employed over 300 people but the ATO originally said he didn’t need to pay taxes (????) but now he does ’cause he is part of a business … do I smell Robber Baron here .. or what?

  364. July 25, 2012 6:10 pm

    “My next door neighbour’s dog shat in the back yard of a postman who sometimes delivers mail to that office building. That probably makes someone guilty of something.”

    Your next door neighbour is guilty of not collecting dogshit!

    Worse still, it’s your fault that I just reported him/her to the South sewer Yarra Canine Excrement Prohibition Authority.

    I hope you’re happy!

  365. July 25, 2012 6:12 pm

    That was nice TB..

    Here’s another when it all started to unwind…

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:12 pm

    The point is that the rusted-ons are clutching at straws and sadly the straw between their legs is taking a real beating as they reach around for more shit to throw.

    mmmm … said like a true ALP suporter … 🙄

    FYI, both ALP … AND … LibNats have … RUSTED ONS … which one are you? “… the straw between their legs … ” Just which church do you attend FFS?

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:16 pm

    Why thanks, sreb, here’s another really “oldie” for the middle …

    Yep, I sing this too … my Dad (the arsehole) was a big fan … and I became one too … 50% environment!

  368. July 25, 2012 6:21 pm

    Working up to the grand finale now…

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:22 pm

    True. All the mud throwing at Jackson proves what? That it’s mud?

    Does it demonstrate anything about Lawler?

    Does it demonstrate that the 180 findings against Thomson are wrong?

    It’s all just a distraction, and not even a good one.

    Peter Wicks-
    • Bans debate that he seeks to have in private email
    • Retreats from claims
    • Admits to throwing mud
    • Obfuscates
    • Makes stuff up
    • Smears

    No wonder he has political ambitions, he meets the criteria.

  370. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:24 pm

    No wonder he has political ambitions, he meets the (Unionland) criteria.

  371. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:31 pm

    The fact is that rusted-ons were screeching for due process for Thomson in spite of the mountain of evidence against him. But now, on the basis of absolutely no evidence whatsoever, they are trying to hang, draw and quarter Lawler. Stinking hypocrites.

    The fact is that rusted-ons are screeching for due process for Jackson in spite of the mountain of evidence against her. But then, on the basis of absolutely no evidence whatsoever, they were trying to hang, draw and quarter Thomson. Stinking hypocrites.

    What have they got to do with Lawler?

    nothing. there have been numerous mentions that Wixxy has no documentation for anything. He has lots of documentation. All that show a pretty damning pattern.

    All yomm has is his inability to understand the difference between an office room and an office block.

    And then he flies off the handle cos he still can’t work it out.

  372. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:35 pm

    TomR: “nothing”

    Didn’t think so.

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:40 pm

    sreb, do you think that most people take themselves far too seriously?

    BTW … big fan of JM … influenced my singing style dramatically … I’m sure you know he was gay too .. when you pop in to see us .. it will definitely be on the “noice dinner music” … (not an idle threat BTW)

    The grand finale?

    Mmmmm …

    But this is good for the Middle … or the End?

  374. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:43 pm

    You see TomR, I don’t care much about Jackson. Compared to Thomson (at whose pleasure Gillard rules) and Williamson (former ALP President) she is small fry. If she has done wrong then she will pay the price.

    But it does seem to me that the reason she is being persecuted so volubly is that she has broken the Unionland code of silence. And she is to be commended for doing so. Surely a fair-minded person such as yourself could at least acknowledge the great public service she has performed by shining a light into this Unionland sewer. Even more so if, in doing so she has to take her druthers for her own misdeeds (if any) which she must have known would inevitably be exposed in the process.

  375. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:45 pm

    My favourite Nacy (and white boots to boot):

  376. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:46 pm

    Tom R – All yomm has is his inability to understand the difference between an office room and an office block.

    No that’s Wicks.

    He thinks a Vice President of FWA working in his quite palatial chambers with a few support staff and an associate in the offices in the front, with his views over the parklands… is “sharing an office” with an investigator! …and one who he’ll influence, share back scratches and favours …all over their joint social activities!

    Then Wicks RUNS AWAY!!
    —————-
    And who is saying that Jackson doesn’t have some questions to answer?

    I have no problems with her being required by the union to address the issues involving her.

    But she isn’t in parliament and she doesn’t have 180 findings against her.

  377. Meta permalink
    July 25, 2012 6:49 pm

    (Seem seems to be coming apart at the seams; allocating (personal-transactive) priorities, frames, saliences, worthinesses, spectacular identities and performances; it’s probably why some reasonable persons might like to move beyond appearances, or at least catalogue a more extensive array of appearances, than the monodrones’ totalising narratives which are obviously not.)

  378. July 25, 2012 6:50 pm

    working up to the grand finale… Miglo’s soliloquy…

  379. July 25, 2012 6:51 pm

    What Meta said. (I think).

  380. July 25, 2012 6:56 pm

    And Min’s..

  381. July 25, 2012 6:59 pm

    Very glad to see TomR taking it up to the inbreds in his usual indomitable fashion! 🙂

    Also, props for keeping the pressure on that moron extraordinaire among landscapers, when I looked late last week.

    I gotta say though, I’m a bit dubious about the motivations & substantiations from Wixxxy. He too easily falls into the delete trap & most of what I’ve read isn’t much better than half assertions. Akin to those wielded against Thompson, in a way, as you say.
    Sometimes I think it all comes down to what people want to believe or surmise.

  382. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:00 pm

    “sharing an office”

    And, you misrepresent him again. No wonder he isn’t interested in wasting time with you.

    But it does seem to me that the reason she is being persecuted so volubly is because she has thrown a lot of mud, and the media have just accepted it, and not bothered to look behind the reason ‘why’

    Which is ignoring one of the major rules of journalism

  383. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:03 pm

    If you look at the findings against Thomson and Williamson she did a public service by exposing them. Everyone would agree with that (except those who still respect the Unionland code of silence and would prefer it all swept under the carpet, no?)

  384. July 25, 2012 7:03 pm

    “sharing an office”

    Perhaps you guys should get a room…

    I’m try to organise a musical here…!!!

  385. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:03 pm

    isn’t much better than half assertions

    He does say that in much of his posts actually toiletstenchofdunlop. Some people appear to think he is launching a criminal case. I mean, even Thom(p)son hasn’t had one of them against him.

  386. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:07 pm

    No, TomR. Tom has called Wicks on his failure to link Jackson with the FWA report. You have effectively conceded that there is no evidence to link Lawler with anything. Given the prominent role he apparently plays in the “Jacksonville” octology, you’d think there might be something.

  387. July 25, 2012 7:08 pm

    Hmmm, what to stage for the grand finale…

    Maybe something like this…

  388. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:09 pm

    Someone left the fruitcakes out in the rain?

  389. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:10 pm

    As I’ve said, Wicks tries to say working here with a hundred or more people all on different floors, is “sharing an office”…

    …and they did lots of favours for each other, even though there is no evidence that they’ve actually ever met!!

  390. July 25, 2012 7:11 pm

    LOL @ Splatterbottom…. 🙂

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:26 pm

    I’m try to organise a musical here…!!!

    They just don’t get it, sreb!

  392. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:36 pm

    Tom has called Wicks on his failure to link Jackson with the FWA report.

    All he ever claimed was that they worked in hte same office building, that is all. He never claimed any other ‘evidence’ to my knowledge

  393. July 25, 2012 7:38 pm

    Best interweb song EVER…

  394. July 25, 2012 7:40 pm

    Don’t be put off by the title, it’s the Disney version! ….seriously 😯

  395. Krushdkranium permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:45 pm

    😯

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:47 pm

    “All he ever claimed was that they worked in hte same office building shared an office, that is all. He never claimed any other ‘evidence’ to my knowledge… though he did say they did each other favours and scratched each other’s backs…just like everyone else”

    …there fixed it for ya!

  397. July 25, 2012 7:51 pm

    Cannibal Corpse comes across so much worse with the clean, easy to understand vox. It doesn’t sound half as awesome either!

    That album is still banned in Deutschland, I believe.

    I wanted to put up ‘Fucked With a Knife’ but this is a family blog.

    guffaw

  398. Sticky wings permalink
    July 25, 2012 11:06 pm

    Do yourselves a favour and give this recipe a try . . .

    http://www.masterchef.com.au/recipes/cola-baked-chicken-.htm

    Tender. Sticky. Sweet. Yum!

  399. Meta permalink
    July 25, 2012 11:34 pm

    (Mmmm.)

  400. July 26, 2012 12:47 am

    Cannibal Corpse – Hammer Smashed Face…

    I do like a long haired man!

    They gonna give themselves brain damage with all that head bangin’ & hair twirlin’ 🙂

  401. Blame the "patient" permalink
    July 26, 2012 5:45 am

    Mmmm. Maybe not.

  402. el gordo permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:49 am

    Yep…just as we suspected.

    ‘AUSTRALIANS give $22 billion a year to their adult children to help them get established, buy property, and tide them over tough times, a study reveals.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/generation-iou-parents-fork-out-22-billion-a-year-to-help-their-adult-children-20120725-22r11.html#ixzz21fZ2gCfX

  403. el gordo permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:28 am

    Inflation is down and unlikely to show its face around here again for quite some time.

    http://www.blogotariat.com/node/482018

  404. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:47 am

    Min
    JULY 24, 2012 @ 7:32 PM

    Michael, …….You know how much I love you. You know how much I admire you.

    Min
    JULY 24, 2012 @ 9:27 PM

    Waiting for the phone to ring..it hasn’t…that’s all that it takes..

  405. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:27 am

    Oh Dear

    Andrew Bolt has heard a rumour that Wayne Swan might throw his hat into the ring if there is a leadership challenge.

    ToM will jump off the Westgate Bridge if that comes to pass

  406. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:41 am

    Now that would be stupid. Swan is a fool with no redeeming features.

    He’s a blustering bulls**t artist, and is completely unable to connect to people. Woolly headed, he’s a human gramophone, stuck in the groove.

    The ALP would only confirm a death wish if he was leader. It would be an unbearable humiliation.

    I’d have to move somewhere progressive and sensible, like Greece.

  407. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 12:03 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/world/n-korea-confirms-kim-is-married/story-fndir2ev-1226435222554

    I like the photo here of the “Supreme Wife”, the spouse of Kim Jong-un.

    In the photo, she’s the only one not taking notes! When his dad was the supreme leader (and looking at things), I think there was usually only one note taker.

    The words of the new one must be even more important.

  408. July 26, 2012 2:13 pm

    Has anyone else been watching the BBC comedy Mrs Brown’s Boys….?

    It’s a bit hit and miss, but there was a classic line in last night’s episode where “she” invited two moron boys into her house and then gave them a hard time…

    “you do realise that everything in the bible is all made up” she told them.

    ” no it’s not, it’s the truth” they replied.

    “Pfft…. If it were true, it would just be a fkn pamphlet..!!”

  409. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 3:41 pm

    I’d forgotten this until reminded this morning

    Horror of horrors but Julia Gillard shares an office with Alexandra Williamson. Daughter of Michael Williamson.

    She’s a Gillard staffer

  410. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2012 3:56 pm

    Imagine how that will be construed! Working in Gillard’s office is a whole lot more substantial than merely working in the same city building. And Arbib fits in there somewhere too. But he unexpectedly resigned.

    Where is that impartial conspiracy theorist when you need him? I’m sure he would be able to make sense of it all.

  411. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 3:59 pm

    Possible Big News out of the EU.
    DOW JONES
    26/07/2012 01:59PM AEST

    SYDNEY–The Australian share market hit a four-day high in quiet trading Thursday as fears over Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis cooled following remarks by European Central Bank council member Ewald Nowotny.

    Nowotny’s comment that “there are pro arguments” for granting a banking license to the proposed European Stability Mechanism helped stabilize global risk assets, including equities and commodities, with positive implications for the Australian share market.

    “Giving the ESM a banking license would allow it to expand its firepower by borrowing money,” said CMC Markets chief market strategist Michael McCarthy. “That’s caused a lull in risk aversion, although peripheral bond yields remain extremely high.”

    At 0330 GMT, the benchmark S&P/ASX 200 was up 0.5% at 4144.1 on light trading volume, having risen to as high as 4145.8. Telstra was pushing up the telecommunications sector with a 1% gain, however, suggesting that investors still had an appetite for defensive stocks.

    CMC’s Mr. McCarthy said the risk aversion in global equity markets early this week was related to the failure of the eurozone to make any improvement to the structural process of directly aiding Spanish banks.

    “Of course Germany has been arguing very strongly against shared fiscal responsibility without better control over the actions of eurozone member countries,” Mr. McCarthy said. “The market wants to see direct recapitalization by the ECB, because that would be a step toward fiscal unity.

    “That’s something that has been agreed on by eurozone leaders and approved by the German parliament, but markets have lost their patience with European leaders,” he said.

  412. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 4:02 pm

    I must be getting old SB

    I knew there was something niggling in the back of my mind when ToM was arguing with that Fraud Wixx.

    I’d read it ages ago then someone on radio mentioned it this morning

  413. July 26, 2012 4:09 pm

    ****NEWS FLASH****

    Scotland and New Zealand Parliaments expected to change laws to allow gay marriage…

    Where does that leave Gillard now…

    1890…?

  414. July 26, 2012 4:46 pm

    I’d love to be able to raise that with Mr Wicks but I’m banned from his site and that of his mates.

  415. July 26, 2012 4:48 pm

    Well, Reb, let’s be honest. That simply gives substance to the slippery slope argument resulting in legalised beastiality.

    In the words of an ex-GF…. “Kiwis…..bloody sheep shaggers the lot of ’em”.

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 4:51 pm

    WALLY, Metalstorm has called in an Administrator … don’t be surprised if Colt steps up to the plate …

  417. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2012 4:53 pm

    So Jaws, I’m still keen to put something into shares – is it time yet? And how come you are telling us to hold off yet you just made a pile going long? 🙂

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 5:01 pm

    ” I’m banned from his site and that of his mates.

    Take comfort from the fact that they assiduously read the comments here.

  419. July 26, 2012 5:22 pm

    Indeed!

    I hope they enjoyed it when I posted Hammer Smashed Face yesterday.

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 5:34 pm

    Oh, and I don’t mean to make light of his musician, artistic talents …

    KL, did I ever send you one of my recordings?

  421. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 5:35 pm

    “And how come you are telling us to hold off yet you just made a pile going long? ”

    SB

    Sometimes I just cant resist and I can just feel the “vibe” about to change. The bulk of my “win” (if I can call it that as Mrs Jaws is going to give it away to literally not figuratively a pack of animals tomorrow night at one of those Auction thingies with a couple of her girlfriends) was on Woodside with a bit of help from BHPB.

    I love the Woodside story and now it looks like I should have stayed long as they are now touching $33. All because it looks possible that Chevron have made a massive discovery this week next to WPLs offshore leases.

    I think long term investors still need clarity on the EU situation. I always recommend people join free websites like hotcopper.com.au.

    If you want to buy/sell online I have an Etrade account and a Comsec one. I find the Etrade one easier to navigate around and it gives much more in the way of professional opinions on companies with a lot of detail behind why there might be a Buy /Accumulate/Hold/Sell or Avoid opinion on a stock. Comsec gives a lot of info but not much opinion

    I recommend a free site like hotcopper.com.au as it can be quite informative if you follow the wiser heads there

    Poor old Metal Storm TB………………. You should have followed me into Telstra a few weeks ago. I picked up some @ $3.64 and now they are around $3.90. I like them for their current dividend as the franking credit can be offset against my super contributions tax in the JAWS WCP Superfund.

    I love reducing tax

  422. July 26, 2012 5:46 pm

    Splatter…….no.

  423. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 5:55 pm

    As James said

    Now is not the time

  424. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:15 pm

    Wally, I actually sold my Telstra 1 & 2 at a profit (from memory $5.20) …

    I sold off all my shares (Suncorp, TAB etc bought at IPO, made a profit of 78%) …

    … I kept MS as a long shot (shares are a gamble after all and the product is good)), we still have NIB shares we were given when they went public and (not liking a health insurance with shareholders as their prime focus) we went Defence Health 😉 … we also has an awful Colonial FS managed global fund …

    The reason I sold my shares and whacked ’em into super just before I retired, is that Centrelink don’t “see” super until you turn 65 … allowed us to apply for a Low Income Health Card and get our meds at PBS prices … saved us a couple of hundred $$$ a year …

    As you know $1 saved from someone else is a $1 you can spend on yourself …

    Something all my family has been taught and use … “Learn the system and use it to your advantage” (that does NOT mean cheat it!) … as you guys know, I’m now 65 (mentally about ??) … The Minister, has another two and a half years to go … guess who now has the bulk of our super now?* 😉

    *Do not attempt this approach to retirement unless you are happily married! (I’ve got 44 years up in September!)

  425. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:21 pm

    A Colonial FS managed global fund … ya say

    I can understand why you got out of them.

    They also advised ……………….drum roll please……………………..

    Ta…………………… Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

    Storm Financial !

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:42 pm

    Wally, I didn’t get out … still “stuck” in there* … but as soon as (if) I break even … whoosh! What a bunch of Oompah! Loompahs! … even their monthly “projections” are so-o-o-o-o off the mark it would be funny if people weren’t losing dough!

    * Same strategy … if it;s still “functioning … fk it … the managers might fluke it one day! Then break even, pull it out, and look for a food production IPO (as we both agree!) … contrary to some people’s misunderstanding I’ve still got at least three decades in front of me! 😆

    BTW, I had a job offer a couple of days ago 😯 … after seven years of retirement “Wow! Thank you, but no …”

    You may dislike this but life is not about working and earning more money than you could ever need … its about earning enough (a trick value) and watching the baby honey-eaters splash about in your birdbath as you have breakfast … 😛

  427. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:43 pm

    Oh! I forgot … LG!

  428. el gordo permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:50 pm

    ‘You may dislike this but life is not about working and earning more money than you could ever need …’

    Exactly the point I was trying to make to Kitty the other day, when I said the bulk of the people are satisfied with a comfortable middle class existence.

  429. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 6:56 pm

    “You may dislike this but life is not about working and earning more money than you could ever need … ”

    You sound like Mrs Jaws TB. That was her argument 10 or so days ago

    Hence the dog and and cat auction thingy.

    Gotta keep piling money into the JAWS WCP Superfund though. Even though I’m more of a medium/long term optimist ya never know you and John (what was his name) might have been right and the World will go to financial hell in a handbasket.

    I still tend to think not though and are buying high quality in troughs. Currently zeroing in on Iluka Resources (in a big trough). My portfolio never exceeds 15 stocks…………………ever ……….ever and all must pay dividends., I assiduously follow who is in management and what is their track record and I restrict myself to only one spec at any one time and if I ever lose on a spec I NEVER EVER revisit it. I blacklist it forever!

    I gotta say Marius Kloppers at BHPB has been a big disappointment. With him and Albanese running Rio we really have been blessed with a couple of duds there.

  430. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 7:17 pm

    Wally, my retirement was planned to the nth degree over five years … at the time I had been working for 40 years … and luckily for me The Minister IS the country’s BEST book-keeper and business manager … there are certain rule in business (as i know you know … that work in normal life!) …

    Yeah, Kloppers is a disappointment … I worked for BHPCoal and BHPB as a training consultant (1992-2006) and when he took over I was sucked in to the slow Sarf Aafrican accent and delivery but I have a tendency to look beyond that and at the “substance” … and I agree … a bit wobbly … Chuck was good … in all honesty though, different times ??

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 7:19 pm

    Oh Wally, John McPhilbin … and all we did was tell youse that (what is was named) the GFC was coming twelve months or more before it arrived … and we took a lot of flack sayin’ it!

  432. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 7:24 pm

    Ahem, TB.

  433. July 26, 2012 7:29 pm

    Save your amens for the handbagz, snacty.

  434. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 7:33 pm

    Ahem, TB.

    Meaning?

  435. July 26, 2012 8:00 pm

    It’s god talk, TB.

    Just smile & back away slowly.

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:13 pm

    LOL! Praise be … Toillette

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:14 pm

    Do praise be, LibNat voters, have short mem’ries … or what?

  438. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:27 pm

    Toillette, I’m reading the first book of Ice & Fire … are they all so “tedious”?

    Or is it just that I’ve seen the First Season? I must say that Ned Stark “lives” in my head … maybe ’cause Sean B’s accent is in my head too! I read his dialogue and its so-o-o-o Yorkshire, its uncanny …. (no, its not, it’s simple plagiarism … and I luv it!)

  439. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:29 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/tv/Sport/Code-Red-4272302.html

    HD might enjoy. Those guys are nuts!!

  440. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:41 pm

    Yer right, ToM … fer you and Toillette …

    … I’ve been “scanning ” these surf movies for over 30 years now … at least in the digital age I can fast forward much more easily and quickly ….

    Scenario … here’s a guy (and sometimes now a girl – who looks like a guy) on a massive wave! Fk me! … A minute later … here’s a guy on a massive wave! …. A minute later … here’s a guy on a massive wave! ….. A minute later … here’s a guy on a massive wave!

    Ten minutes later … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz …

    … surfin’ is pers’nal … I get that …

  441. el gordo permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:45 pm

    This is from Alan Jones/Michael Smith interview…to be found in Quadrant.

    ‘In August 1995 it all came crashing down. Wilson left the union. The union paid back tens of thousands of dollars to various construction companies. In October 1995 it was becoming very public. Wilson was gone. The matter had been raised in the Victorian Parliament.

    ‘It had been reported that Julia Gillard was being sacked from her job with Slater & Gordon. Julia Gillard was interviewed by The Australian on October 12, 1995. She told the reporter Ebru Yaman, “I am still a partner with Slater & Gordon, and I have no intention of going anywhere.”

    ‘Soon after that story ran, she was gone, her desk was cleaned out. She has never practiced law since. She was without a job, as I understand it, for six months, until Joan Kirner arranged a role for her as chief of staff with John Brumby. Wilson was never charged. He and his accomplice Blewitt sold the house, and the union received not one cent of its money. A couple of people lost their jobs after trying to report this story. Michael Smith is one of them.’

  442. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:51 pm

    I put my job on the line over the impending crisis in collateralized debt securities.

  443. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:58 pm

    People don’t like talking about that stuff EG. I mean, she was young & naive at the time.

    I’ve heard a few interviews with Peter Gordon of Slater & Gordon reflecting on her, damning her with faint praise.

    Anything shady about a politician is alway bound to come out, and Gillard was stupid for trying to suppress the story for so long.

  444. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 8:59 pm

    You should try surfing TB. You’d love it!

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 9:11 pm

    *You should try surfing TB. You’d love it!*

    I prefer shooting!

  446. July 26, 2012 9:22 pm

    This is a masterpiece..
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o22eIJDtKho

  447. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 10:54 pm

    Are we having a London Olympics edition of the Daily Trash ?

    Trying to think of an English Olympic Athlete who might light the flame.

    Down to Daley Thompson (decathlon and how good was he ay) or the rower from a couple of Games ago whose name escapes me.

  448. el gordo permalink
    July 27, 2012 7:51 am

    ‘People don’t like talking about that stuff EG.’

    No they don’t and probably best forgotten.

  449. July 27, 2012 8:37 am

    Don’t get me started about the damned olympics!

    Did I ever mention the ‘FUCK THE OLYMPICS‘ bumper sticker I had on my car for several years in conjunction with the vomit inducing Sydney 2000 flagsturbation extravaganza? Well, I did. Some people used to kick my car in carparks. No wonder I loathe jingowanking.

    The olympics is the epitome of global flag frotteurism. Gag, retch, vomit.

    It won’t get a nanosecond of airtime in this Lodge. I’d rather smash my agates between two cinderblocks.

    * that vid is awesome, YomM. Those guys are quite mental, but very brave & confident. Scary, astonishingly heavy waves!

  450. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 27, 2012 8:41 am

    “its about earning enough”

    How much is enough, though?

    ‘m still looking for that comfortable middle class existence. I might have half a chance if I can invest wisely.

  451. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 8:42 am

    That being the case Bring on London 2012

    🙂

  452. July 27, 2012 8:47 am

    Deep down, you already knew I hated the Olympics! 😉

  453. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 8:54 am

    Toilet do you have a beard? Please tell me you have a beard.

  454. July 27, 2012 8:57 am

    Does a goatee count?

    I’ve had a goatee for about 15 years.

    Dare I ask why? 😯

    Do you have a clam?

  455. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 9:02 am

    You know I’m standing at a tram stop looking at a Powerball advertisement for $50 million dollars. That’s the jackpot after it wasn’t won last night.

    Here’s my idea. Take all the people who work in the gambling industry and put them in the public service. They know how to get shit done and quickly. Then take all the public servants and put them in the gambling caper. Kill the industry and solve THAT problem too.

    Thoughts?

  456. July 27, 2012 9:05 am

    I love watching sport, especially at a high level. There is no higher level than the olympics. Foxtel has eight dedicated olympic channels. I’ll be watching the f*ck out of them. 😯

  457. James of North Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 9:05 am

    Toilet, in my experience, cynical Lefties sport beards. Just completing the picture that’s all 😉

  458. July 27, 2012 9:20 am

    Well, I don’t have a beard per se. Never have had.

    Cynicism is healthy btw.

    Sopping up the syrupy patriotism of such planetary wankfests as the olympics is not.

    Not really into sports that are all about personal glory either, prefer team sport.

    Did I mention, Adelaide Premiers 2012? 😆

  459. July 27, 2012 9:20 am

    OI!!!

  460. July 27, 2012 9:21 am

    Get above my side on the ladder, Toilet, then talk to me.

  461. July 27, 2012 9:29 am

    It’s only a matter of time. The handbagz have some tough games coming up…but the Crows have a soft, percentage boosting draw for the rest of the year.

    Sydney are playing above themselves. They’re shit.

  462. July 27, 2012 9:34 am

    If Sydney win the GF I’ll vote for Abbott.

    Also, speaking of preconceived notions of what a cynical leftist looks like, but doesn’t.

    You’ve destroyed my own imaginings of what a rightwing money-massager should resemble. I pictured them with a safe bowl hair cut, cleanshaven & uptight. Not loose, beer in hand with a terry towelling hat. 🙂

  463. July 27, 2012 9:37 am

    “I’ll be watching the f*ck out of them.”

    Isn’t that shit on in the middle of the night?

    Self employed? or cranking the no-doze (cough) at work?

    The only chance of me tuning in would have been to see jumping, gyrating Jenneke(?), but the morons didn’t deign to give their biggest asset a place in the team.

  464. July 27, 2012 9:50 am

    If Sydney win the GF I’ll vote for Abbott.

    Reb, please file this one somewhere safe.

    The only chance of me tuning in would have been to see jumping, gyrating Jenneke(?), but the morons didn’t deign to give their biggest asset a place in the team.

    And thus the cliche is ruined. I AGREE!!!!

  465. July 27, 2012 10:09 am

    Own up…..who is “Grassroots”?

  466. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 10:12 am

    “Deep down, you already knew I hated the Olympics”

    Yep

    With 2 weeks of never ending stepping up onto podiums and flag raising and national anthems and being in general the cliched World TV event that it is I had my suspicions.

    So I decided to press a few “buttons” as I know you look at TDT at some odd hours.

    And……………………….Hey Presto ! …………………………Suspicions confirmed

    🙂

  467. July 27, 2012 10:21 am

    “I know you look at TDT at some odd hours.”

    Shiftwork, buddy.

    “Own up…..who is “Grassroots”?”

    WTF?

  468. July 27, 2012 10:53 am

    They know who they are and they know what they’ve done!!

    Think blog wars. They’ve sent a bunch of conservative types over to the Cafe.

  469. July 27, 2012 10:58 am

    I have to say there’s a growing list of Australian athletes who I won’t bother missing sleep for this time around. Bloody prima donnas.

  470. el gordo permalink
    July 27, 2012 11:05 am

    Talking of shiftwork, my son’s on the 7pm to 7am shift and has just split up with his girlfriend, so now he’s ‘couch surfing’ in Surry Hills.

  471. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 12:14 pm

    Mmmmmmmmmmmm…………….

    Surry Hills……………………..home of cheap yummy Leb food without the drive by shootings of Lakemba

  472. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 12:31 pm

    I’m hoping the USA win the Olympics!!

    Followed by East Germany*

    (*those were the days)

  473. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 12:39 pm

    “They’ve sent a bunch of conservative types over to the Cafe.”

    One look at the Café these days and I think it needs the numbers. There are very few over there these days.

    I see that towering intellect CU has now advocated that the States take back their income tax raising powers off the Commonwealth Government. Which is akin to taking fiscal policy making off the Commonwealth Government.

    In effect she advocates that we adopt the worst features of the current European Union model which as we have seen has proven very adept at almost completely destroying the economies of Europe.

    CU should join the Greens

  474. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 1:26 pm

    Since Min has gone, Cafe Whispers is mainly inhabited by zealots. Min provided the friendly balance, inviting continuing discourse, polite conversation.

    What’s the collective noun for zealots? A drudge of zealots?

  475. July 27, 2012 2:22 pm

    A Globule of zealots?

    A Congealement of zealots?

    A Canker of Zealots?

  476. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 27, 2012 2:34 pm

    Abscess is brilliant!

  477. el gordo permalink
    July 27, 2012 3:28 pm

    Jaws….. could you tell me if its alright to throw out my old cheque and deposit books after five years or seven?

  478. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 3:40 pm

    Eg

    If all your tax returns for 30 June 2008 to 30 June 2012 have been lodged and assessed then you can throw out 30 June 2007 and chronologically backwards. So if you have yet to lodge 30 June 2012 you can only throw out from 30 June 2007 and backwards etc. You need to keep a full 5 years intact

    You only need to keep salary and wage records for 7 years as that is required under the NSW Workers Compensation Act.

  479. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 27, 2012 3:47 pm

    I think you might have to keep records for things that give rise to later tax events such as if you spend money on a capital asset so that when you sell it you can prove your cost base is what you say it is. Jaws?

  480. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 4:05 pm

    Abscess is hilarious, so is canker a of zealots!

  481. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 4:08 pm

    You are correct with that Splatter. But you actually need to keep the invoices as you are likely to be depreciating that in your current return or earning income from it or as you said its sale might give rise to a “Capital Gains Tax Event”. All capital assets are the same i.e. shares.

    Sorry if that was not clear.

    But still cheques and deposit books are still ok to toss.

  482. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 27, 2012 4:24 pm

    Hopefully one day soon I will have the opportunity to keep such records!

    I have a friend who wants me to write puts and then calls and then puts etc against Woolworths? He claims I can make 20% a year form the premiums.

  483. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2012 4:32 pm

    Not loose, beer in hand with a terry towelling hat.

    What worries me a bit, Toilette … is that I can see, James, up close in his photo … I’ve also met, scaper …. the likeness is frighteningly uncanny!

    But still cheques and deposit books are still ok to toss.

    “toss” … “toss”?! Destroy ’em completely! Shred or burn …

    Seriously, Wally, we have one year of accounts left (we retired June 2005) and while technically the ATO will tell you five years is OK … we know of a couple who had all sorts of trouble with ATO, a year after they destroyed on the five year mark … we have always advised anyone asking seven for safety …

    The Minister, only had three “rumbles” with the ATO in 16 years … and won every one … including a written apology (phone calls for the other two …)

    We’d gone away for a Friday, Sun, Sat weekend and were having lunch when the ATO rang the last time … how we giggled!

  484. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 4:37 pm

    That couple who had trouble TB did they already have all the returns assessed without challenge ?

    I had a similar situation a few years back and the ATO quickly backed off

  485. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 4:40 pm

    In a volatile market you could do leverage like that SB.

    But just remember if it sounds too good to be true then……………………… (?)

  486. el gordo permalink
    July 27, 2012 5:18 pm

    Thanks for that info Jaws…let the culling begin.

  487. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2012 6:07 pm

    That couple who had trouble TB did they already have all the returns assessed without challenge ?

    Dunno, mate, they ran an auto repair workshop … very good too … but the common small business problem … very good at what they did but no business management background, training or understanding … sad really … I’d suggest we go into business together but you’d want to be the Robber Baron boss all the time … 😉

    But just remember if it sounds too good to be true then……………………… (?)

    Is that how you advise your clients? Let ’em figure it out themselves!!!

  488. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 6:27 pm

    Press this to 500!

  489. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 6:28 pm

    497 not out

  490. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2012 6:32 pm

    What are you fkn doing/saying, ToM? Is that a cricket shit calculator?

  491. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 6:38 pm

    “Is that how you advise your clients? Let ‘em figure it out themselves!!!”

    No………….I’m just saying I would not want to try and make a living out of day trading.

    I only do quick hits when I’m sure we are in “Deeep Value Zones” like it was 10 days ago.

    Looking at how it is literally today I’d only buy for a medium/long term.

  492. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 6:43 pm

    500 is a good number for comments, and for cricket!

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