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Tony Abbott: Like a Bull in a China Shop.

July 26, 2012

“Dangerously Dumb”

  • Another Abbott blunder on relations with SE Asia
  • Warns China that foreign ownership is bad for Australia
  • Slammed by Govt for “dangerously dumb” comments

If you wanted some insight into how much of a complete buffoon Tony Abbott will be on the international stage as Prime Minister, you need look no further than the meeting he had with Chinese diplomats in Beijing this week.

Like a bull in a China shop, Mr Abbott issued a stark warning to arguably our most important trading partner that Chinese owned investors who are looking to buy into Australian companies would “rarely be in Australia’s interests.”

It’s an extraordinary statement, not just because of its abject stupidity, or as Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr called it “dangerously dumb” comments about Chinese investment, but also because he chose to make those comments on Chinese soil.

Most leaders would use such an opportunity to reinforce the importance of major trading relationships, the strength and endurance of the friendship between both countries and the willingness to further strengthen ties in the future through new opportunities for growth to the benefit of both parties.

But not so with Tony Abbott.

Instead he served up yet another ill-considered “thought bubble” reminiscent of the sort of ignorant and parochial nonsense we were subjected to during the Howard years.

One can only imagine what he was thinking. Presumably the comments were more designed to appeal to the likes of Scott Morrison back in Australia, and like the annoying little yappy lap dog that he is, he no doubt would’ve lapped it up.

Perhaps Abbott should have been more concerned with the audience he had before him.

As Bob Carr said, “the Opposition Leader’s comments are dangerously adversarial and could offend other Asian countries.”

“It disturbs me that he is making in three or four of the things he said about China what can only be seen and what will be seen by them I think as an adversarial approach with China and I think that is reckless,” he told Lateline.

“I think it is really dangerously dumb for this country’s interest.”

He says Mr Abbott is trying to change the rules and moving towards a “blanket prohibition on Chinese investment by state-owned companies”.

“Now that is crazy,” Senator Carr said.

“You’ve got farm communities of Australia that are guaranteed prosperity because Chinese urbanisation has seen people buy their food stuff from supermarkets stocked with Australian produce.

“You’ve got 5,000 mining jobs in Australia directly dependent on Chinese investment.

“For Tony Abbott to start talking that language sends a shocking message of retreat about Australia – that we’re now seeking security from Asia, that we’re going back to a view so dated of Australia’s role, it’s more conservative than John Howard’s.”

But I guess if the rest of the motley Coalition mob are impressed with Abbott’s condescending grandstanding, that’s all that really matters.

Be afraid.



44 Comments leave one →
  1. July 26, 2012 9:42 am

    Surely Abbot can’t be so thick? But then again . . . . . . . !

    Go for it Phoney Tony — got tell the leaders of one of the biggest economies in the world how to manage their country, and that you won’t let them buy into Australia like we’ve allowed just about everyone else to do for year’s. Then ask yourself: ‘Do they really care what you think?’

    I guess you think that they do, and they are just thinking ‘stupid gwailo!’

  2. July 26, 2012 9:43 am

    PS: The heading should be ‘Like a Dill in a China Shop!’ 😉

  3. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 10:05 am

    Abbott is not wrong

    He was making the point that investment in Australia by sovereign wealth funds will not go unchecked.

    You cannot allow foreign state owned enterprises a free for all on Australian agricultural land. Especially when there are no reciprocal rights i.e. Ever heard of an Australian company buying up vast hectares of mainland China ?

    Bob Crar just went on to verbal him in that interview and even brought up the disputes in the south China Sea…………………I mean…. FFS

  4. July 26, 2012 10:12 am

    “Abbott is not wrong
    He was making the point that investment in Australia by sovereign wealth funds will not go unchecked.”

    That’s a little bit bullshit…

    He chose the wrong time and the wrong place to make such remarks…

    Most “intelligent” people would use a meeting like that to talk up the positive nature of bilateral relationships between both companies.

    Instead Abbott used it as an opportunity to warn China that we’re going to be watching every move they make.

    It was a fkn stupid thing to do.

    But then, what else would we expect from such a boofhead.

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2012 10:13 am

    The real criticism of Abbott on this occasion is his lack of diplomatic subtlety. Still, he wasn’t as bad as (alleged China expert) Rudd going there and lecturing the Chinese, in Mandarin, about their human rights record. Visiting another country, particularly a major trading partner, is not the place for chest-beating self-righteousness.

    His statement that “It would rarely be in Australia’s interests to allow a foreign government or its agencies to control an Australian business,” is clearly correct. Perhaps he could have made more of the distinction between control of businesses and passive investment in minority positions as a sovereign wealth fund with no off-take agreements and the like, which some Chinese entities do already.

    In this bit:

    “No big country is entitled to get its way with smaller countries just because it can,” he said. “Under a Coalition government, Australia will do what it can to ensure that territorial disputes in the South China Sea are managed peacefully in accordance with international law.”

    there was no need to make the first statement. The appropriate place for that is in other forums dealing specifically with international law and disputes between nations.

    The statement “That’s because we don’t support the nationalisation of businesses by the Australian government, let alone a foreign one” was spot on.

    I’d give him 5 out of 10 for this effort overall and remind him that Australia can only exist with the support of major powers and just as we transitioned from the UK to the US, we are going to need to find a way to accommodate China and have friendly relations with it. That doesn’t mean ignoring China’s human rights abuses and aggressive regional foreign policy but it does mean using a more diplomatic approach when raising such issues.

  6. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 10:13 am

    Personally I’d prefer to give them 25 years leases with a 25 year option attached with a minimum base rent plus a percentage of turnover value.

    That how Westfield do it .

  7. July 26, 2012 10:51 am

    Adrian would call it a brain fart. And it probably is I guess.

    Not because it’s wrong, but because of the audience. But then, who is his audience? Is it the bunch of Chinese heads over there who would dismiss it as another meaningless speech by a travelling pollie? Or is it the a bunch of pantswetting swinging voters in Australia who might look at the speech and celebrate the potential PM who won’t sell out his country’s sovereignty?

  8. July 26, 2012 10:59 am

    Like your thinking Jaws — at minimum foreigners buying mining and agricultural assets should be on a leasehold basis.
    Buying into Australian owned Corporations? Icons like (Quantas) same deal as Singapore Airlines ownership. Others, restricted shareholding determined by an intrinsic value to Australia test?
    Providing majority foreign owned countries with Government funds to prop them up — just not on!
    However need to do some serious thunking on this whole question of foreign ownership before holding a clear position. Stay tuned.

  9. el gordo permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:06 am

    I agree with Jaws on what we should do, very sensible.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:21 am

    Gillard and Abbott. What a choice.

    A dishonest politician who has lost the trust of most of the electorate, who backs out of written commitments. Or a blunderer.

    I’m thinking that there will be even more people joining me in an informal vote.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:42 am

    Be careful what you wish for … if the Mad Monk is sermonising now … wait till he thinks he’s Dog … 🙄

    And if those people giving Gillard’s government a hard time think an Abbott Federal Government and wall to wall state governments will be good … I can assure you the power and control they will weild will make Joh BP look like a boy scout …

    All you have to do is watch the political shenanigans at yesterday’s COAG meeting yesterday for Disability Insurance … Noddy Newman, is just a politicised snotty, little, arsehole and the smirking of O’Farrell, the nastiness of Baillieu and the arrogance of Barnett were palpable … like a bunch of fkn pirates dressed up in suits … and when Noddy “insisted” TWICE that Queensland wanted to be involved but “couldn’t afford” but “we think its a great idea” … it reeked of politics, NOT COMPASSION FOR DISABLED people and their carers … sickening stuff …

    It was an obviously planned attack on the Federal government … with no thought for the people’s lives they were playing with …

    … I actually fely sorry for, Julia Gillard, and the look on her face … but then I’ve always had compassion for the victims of bullying … and that’s exactly what the LibNat premiers wer doing! I guess we’ll all have to get used to it … what great “role models” …

    I suggest you watch this (from Lateline) first without sound to actually look at the non verbal signals from the “players” … thennturn on the sound …

  12. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 11:56 am

    It might have reeked of politics TB but the point remains that if Julia wants to be remembered as a reforming PM with something of great value to be associated with for a change then she needs to find $6B to fund it.

    And with the ACT constantly topping the tables as one of the Nation’s healthiest states/territories ( I wonder why ?) I’d suggest that she does not have to venture too far from the Lodge to find $6B.

    The other thing is why the fuck cant all the ministers of the Commonwealth and States meet for an entire week and thrash out uniformity in other areas which don’t cost much e.g. uniform traffic laws (e.g. interstate people seem to think you can do a U-Turn at traffic lights in NSW………………a big No…..No)……………………a universal organ donor scheme……………………….E-tags that work across state lines etc……etc.

  13. July 26, 2012 12:10 pm

    I’m sick to death of the lot of them.

    What we need is for Rudd to be re-installed as leader of Labor and Talcum to take over from Abbott.

    Then at least we’d have a reasonable choice…

    At the moment all we’ve got to choose from is dumb and dumber.

    It’s a disgrace!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 12:18 pm

    If Rudd became PM again, I’d vote ALP.

    My main criticism of the party is that it is controlled by hacks and powerbrokers. Rudd’s return would be a genuine slap in the face for them. It would be a huge push back on their unsavoury and unethical activities.

    I also think they’d have a fighting chance to win with Rudd as PM, if they went early. He’d get an initial bounce of a couple of percent, and could make up a couple more during a campaign against the inept Abbott.

  15. July 26, 2012 12:20 pm

    All a big publicity stunt for headlines in oz media, the man is a craven media tart of nothingness.
    Goes down well in the redneck heartland, gets the inbreds squawking and performing a chicken dance in delight 😆

  16. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 12:26 pm

    I actually saw Talcum the other day whilst negotiating around a major traffic accident on the southern side of the Bridge on the way to the Airport.

    As I crawled along at 15kmh thru the very heart of drunkenness and debauchery in Sydney, AKA Kings Cross, Mrs Jaws pointed him out strolling along past “The World Famous Love Machine” wearing a suit walking on a leash 3 tiny Australian Silky Terriers.

    A very curious sight indeed.

  17. JAWS permalink
    July 26, 2012 12:28 pm

    “……gets the inbreds squawking and performing a chicken dance in delight”


    Kitty……………..Sometimes I think you and Toilet must be siblings

  18. July 26, 2012 12:32 pm

    He’d get an initial bounce of a couple of percent, and could make up a couple more during a campaign against the inept Abbott.

    Yeah, abbott wants julia to remain because he’s got her defeated an easy victory, but the Ruddster would force different tactics from Abbott and he wouldn’t feel so secure – how do you think he’d play it?

    His own party won’t work with him [a good thing by many voters]
    He’s a control freak [nobody minds that really, they need controlling]
    Mining tax [the voters want more of it]

    How would Ruddy play it?

    Would that be time for a Turnbull comeback – combat between the two urbane intellectual millionaires with the common touch!

  19. July 26, 2012 12:45 pm

    … I actually fely sorry for, Julia Gillard, and the look on her face … but then I’ve always had compassion for the victims of bullying … and that’s exactly what the LibNat premiers wer doing! I guess we’ll all have to get used to it … what great “role models” …

    I think Gillard should just hold her ground and leave the premiers to answer to the disabled advocates in their states. This scheme was meant to have bipartisan support – no such thing in conservativeland. John Howard’s COAGs were always take it or leave it bullying to the states – this is one time Julia and ALP should not compromise – they do too much of it IMO.

    Not a good look for Newman when QLD already underfunds the disabled significantly. He says “the bar is set high” yeah, so high that no-one can get anything. Let those premiers explain it to their own voters – many touched by disability in their own homes.

  20. July 26, 2012 12:54 pm

    Didn’t Julia once say, somewhat provocatively, to Tony Abbott “game on” when she knifed Rudd and took over as ALP leader….?

    More like “game over” as events have unfolded….

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2012 1:12 pm

    First the video would be re-run:

    “Tell them to cancel this meeting at six o’clock, I don’t have any f***ing patience to do this. The f***ing Chinese interpreter up there – oh just f***ing hopeless. Just give me simple sentences and I have said this before and tell that bloody interpreter this f***ng language he just complicates it so much, just f***ng hopeless, I f***ed up the last word.”

    And then we would be reminded what Rudd’s ALP colleagues thought of him:

    One thing the Labor party has got to learn is that it doesn’t solve its polling problems by simply changing the leader,”

    “He can’t be prime minister again. He’s got to accept that. Has he? That’s a question that should be put to him and I think every time it’s been put to him he does accept it.

    “People will not elect as leaders those they don’t perceive as team players I think that part of the reason he lost the leadership is because he wasn’t [a team player]. There’s no point having a band of prima donnas unless they operate as a team.”

    “However for too long, Kevin Rudd has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader labour movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop.

    The Party has given Kevin Rudd all the opportunities in the world and he wasted them with his dysfunctional decision making and his deeply demeaning attitude towards other people including our caucus colleagues.

    He sought to tear down the 2010 campaign, deliberately risking an Abbott Prime Ministership, and now he undermines the Government at every turn.

    He was the Party’s biggest beneficiary then its biggest critic; but never a loyal or selfless example of its values and objectives.

    For the interests of the labour movement and of working people, there is too much at stake in our economy and in the political debate for the interests of the labour movement and working people to be damaged by somebody who does not hold any Labor values.”

    “The Labor Party is not about a person, it’s about a purpose. That’s something Prime Minister Gillard has always known in her heart but something Kevin Rudd has never understood.”

    “I did witness quite a lot of very bad behaviour to staff and officials,”

    “’If Kevin succeeds I won’t want to serve in his ministry”

    “Only a psychopath with a giant ego would line up again after being comprehensively rejected by the overwhelming majority of colleagues,”

    “[Rudd had] contempt for the cabinet, contempt for cabinet members, contempt for the caucus, contempt for the parliament. And ultimately what brought him down a year or two ago was the Australian public realised he had contempt for them as well,”

    “We need to get out of this idea that Kevin is a messiah that will lead us to the next election. We need to lance this boil.”

    “It became chaotic, the chaos, the undermining, the temperament that started to develop, the micro-management where no one other than the prime minister could make a decision. We came to office with so much hope from people, and people wanting to believe in us. And Kevin as leader became someone who through his complex became increasingly impossible to work with and as a government we simply weren’t delivering the way we should have been able to.”

    “That destabilisation, that treachery has gone on now for varying degrees for the last 18 months.”

    “He sees it all through the prism of Kevin. I think he’s going to milk it all for what it’s worth. Kevin thinks it’s all about the person but people elect parties.”

    “The truth is, the Prime Minister Rudd is deeply flawed.

    “He does have some very significant achievements … but he (also) has great weaknesses which, to date, have not necessarily been seen in public.”

    ”Kevin Rudd as prime minister always had very difficult and very chaotic work patterns. Having lived through the days of the Rudd government, it became absolutely clear to me that one of the overriding problems of the government that Kevin Rudd led is it was very, very focused on the next news cycle, on the next picture opportunity, rather than the long term reforms for the nation’s interests.”

    ”The 2010 election was sabotaged … we were in a winning position in that campaign until the sabotage that knocked that campaign very, very solidly.”

    And then Labor could ask Australians to vote for that person?????

  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2012 1:15 pm

    Having all that on the record (from his “friends”), I don’t think Tony is afraid of Kevin.

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 1:16 pm

    I think the ALP can give itself a fighting chance with Rudd, or can face decimation with Gillard.

    There’s no bounce coming for Gillard, people don’t bother to listen to her. Or if they do, they don’t believe anything she says.

    Rudd retains huge public trust, and of all the options, he’s really the only one who wouldn’t cause us to blush when overseas.

    Gillard has proved herself to be a political operative, a hack. She’s no Leader.

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2012 1:26 pm

    Sure all those that wanted to permanently bury Rudd made some inconvenient comments.

    Rudd would have to come up with some rehearsed lines, like – ‘I think each of them now regret their lack of discipline’ …’each of those former ministers are comfortable with their new roles on the back bench’…’I’ve refreshed the Cabinet and promoted some outstanding talent, such as Bill Shorten’

  25. July 26, 2012 1:34 pm

    Splatter makes a good point, but I agree with ToM.

    Gillard’s finished.

    There will be no “bounce”

    The labor lackeys will either sail onto electoral oblivion or give themselves a fighting chance by giving her the flick…

  26. el gordo permalink
    July 26, 2012 4:35 pm

    ‘I also think they’d have a fighting chance to win with Rudd as PM…’

    Only if he scuttled the tax.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 27, 2012 12:12 pm

    Looks like Carr is the dumb and dishonest one here:

    Verballing the Opposition Leader? John Garnaut in The Sydney Morning Herald on Wednesday:

    MR Abbott positioned himself on the edge of one of the world’s most volatile military flashpoints by staking a role for Australia in protecting Southeast Asian nations from Chinese bullying.

    Foreign Minister Bob Carr on ABC1’s Lateline on Wednesday:</b?

    TONY Jones: You’ve also accused Tony Abbott of saying that Australia intends to take sides against China over issues in the South China Sea. I saw no evidence of that in his speech. Where did he say (that)? … Because this is what he actually said in the speech: “Under a Coalition government Australia will do what it can to ensure territorial disputes in the South China Sea are managed peacefully and in accordance with international law.” That sounds pretty similar to what you’re saying.

    Carr: Yes, no, that’s what we’ve said and that’s what the Howard government has said. Look at John Garnaut’s article in The Herald where pretty explicitly he’s weighing in against the Chinese side

    If you want to kick Abbott wait until he does something really really stupid – it won’t take long. Piling on and making shit up only makes you look like a frothing loon (which is the image Bob Carr seems to be assiduously working on since he joined the ministry).

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2012 12:25 pm

    So Carr is verballing Abbott!!

    Who’d have imagined such a thing!!??

  29. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 12:48 pm

    “…..(which is the image Bob Carr seems to be assiduously working on since he joined the ministry)….”


    Dont talk about images of Bob Carr pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

    Mrs Jaws has nightmares about Bob Carr . She was traveling back on a long haul flight in Qantas business class a few months back and looked up to a outrageous assault upon her senses.

    There in front of her 10 metres away and emerging from the aircraft bathroom was Bob Carr in his Qantas issue pyjamas.

    She still suffers in silent agony reliving that moment and is known to suddenly sit up straight in bed at night sobbing uncontrollably.

  30. el gordo permalink
    July 27, 2012 1:33 pm

    Funny yarn Mr Jaws.

  31. JAWS permalink
    July 27, 2012 1:45 pm

    She is still devastated Eg

    She reckons with Qantas pyjamas being rather……….Ahem………….”body hugging” ………………….and those ears protruding from his strangely shaped head he looked like a gargoyle wearing a leotard

  32. July 27, 2012 1:58 pm

    If you want to kick Abbott wait until he does something really really stupid – it won’t take long.

    That really is it in a nutshell. When he does cock up, and he will, they all do, hardly anyone will be listening. And no-one will notice.

  33. July 27, 2012 2:29 pm

    Pretty sure everyone will be listening…we are already all on notice.

    He’s still yammering in the press today about the poor ‘merican arms dealers who we’ve so rudely deprived of several billion in their monolithic coffers by cutting our defense budget.
    Boohoo diddums to Armitage & Co.

    If the Australia/US relationship, supposedly so special, is so easily put under strain by virtue of us not propping up their arms industry with Oz taxpayer dollars…well, I guess that’s illustrative of the true esteem we’re held in.

    I’m not the least bit surprised that Abbott would be going in to bat for US Big Ammo.

  34. July 27, 2012 2:44 pm

    American arms dealers?


    If that’s what it’s about, I couldn’t give a shit about them. If it’s about abdicating our self defence responsibilities in the knowledge or expectation that the Yanks’ll come and save us as the Kiwis have done, then that’s a different story.

  35. el gordo permalink
    July 27, 2012 3:16 pm

    I think its more about ‘big ammo’ as the boss said, they want to sell us old dodgy stuff at twice the market price.

  36. July 27, 2012 3:42 pm

    I think there are very good underlying motives for the US to be bitching about us not spending enough on defense (cough- what a misnomer). Primarily, we buy from their bloated ‘defense’ industry.
    I tend to take any other justifications for their whinging with a grain of salt.

    Anyone who actually thinks that they’ll ‘come & save us’ if it doesn’t ultimately suit their agenda has their head in the clouds.

    American Exceptionalism means just that.

  37. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    July 28, 2012 11:47 pm

    “Anyone who actually thinks that they’ll ‘come & save us’ if it doesn’t ultimately suit their agenda has their head in the clouds.”

    First of all, who exactly are we going to have to save you guys from, China? Secondly, if in some parallel universe you guys were under threat of invasion by some hypothetical power I think it fair to say we would come as we have in the past (didn’t we just place 2,500 Marines in the northern territory?)…I guess your threat is the same as ours now days though…This threat flies no flag..Like most in the West, it comes down to whether or not our cultures have any value anymore, are institutions are worth saving. Are we going to address the unraveling from within or worry about exterior threats? Anybody catch this;

  38. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    July 29, 2012 12:35 am

    Whoops…better link

  39. el gordo permalink
    July 29, 2012 8:45 am

    ‘First of all, who exactly are we going to have to save you guys from, China?’

    Tony Abbott, presumably, but looking at the big picture I think we should surrender before trouble starts.

  40. el gordo permalink
    July 29, 2012 9:08 am

    Andrew Burrell in the Oz.

    ‘FORMER Rio Tinto executive Michael Komesaroff believes the debate over Chinese investment in Australia — which reignited this week when Tony Abbott flagged tighter conditions for Beijing’s state-owned companies — has ignored one key point: the communist giant is a dud investor.

    “You tell me one successful mineral resource project they’ve got anywhere in the world,” says Komesaroff, who has worked for the Chinese government in Beijing and is now a consultant to some of the world’s biggest mining companies.’

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2012 6:04 pm

    …I guess your threat is the same as ours now days though…This threat flies no flag..

    Spot on, Sparta, The Robber Barons are reaping gold from the little folk like us and sowing shit all over us … or should I refine that and say, The Robber Bankers …

    But that really is a demonstration of a tarnished Capitalist System out of control – or maybe controlled by the wrong people … I thought it was only the USA in 2006 but the disease spread right across the Pond to Europe and the bastards are STILL doing it …

    Just check the front page of Reuters UK for the Sleaze Banks stories …

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2012 6:12 pm

    … that the Yanks’ll come and save us as the Kiwis have done,

    That’s an interesting “observation”, James, something I haven’t come across in my military history wanderings, when did the Kiwis come and save us?

    Unless you are referring to Long Tan, Vietnam?


    (didn’t we just place 2,500 Marines in the northern territory?)…

    No, the US requested the rotation of US troops in Darwin (the equivelent of Alaska to the USA) in distance to the rest of Oz) … check out Google maps … its easy … 😉

    BTW, the rotation I suspect is an acclimatisation exercise (just in case) … 😉

    And the “rotation” is popular with Darwinians but the rest of Oz is just a bit sceptical … let’s put it this way … Chinese troops would not be given the same “privilege” …

  43. el gordo permalink
    July 31, 2012 8:46 am

    ‘INFRASTRUCTURE assets worth more than $40 billion will be available to Chinese government companies under NSW plans to lure investors, heightening the political row over foreign ownership in the wake of Tony Abbott’s warning last week against state enterprises.

    ‘NSW Liberal Premier Barry O’Farrell revealed the plans in the Chinese city of Guangzhou, telling The Australian that state-owned companies would be free to bid in asset sales expected to be outlined in an infrastructure blueprint due in September.’

    Michael Sainsbury and David Crowe in the Oz


    If you have time read Gerard Henderson on China.

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