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I’m the Victim of a Sexist Smear Campaign

August 23, 2012

Apparently, Julia Gillard believes that she is the victim of  “a very sexist smear campaign.”

Personally I find this a little hard to comprehend.

A “smear campaign?” Perhaps.  But that’s politics 101.

Julia Gillard had no qualms about launching a “smear campaign” of her own as demonstrated by her unrelenting assault on Kevin Rudd during the leadership ballot in February of this year.

Aided by her supporters, there was no holding back on dragging Kevin Rudd’s character and “leadership style” through the mud, including the timely release by “sources unknown” of an expletive laden video clip showing a frustrated Kevin Rudd cursing and swearing.

Apparently that sort of “smear campaign” is acceptable providing it’s egress and not incoming.

But persistent and legitimate questions regarding Julia Gillard’s conduct while employed at law firm Slater & Gordon are fobbed off as ‘‘false and highly defamatory,’’ despite the fact that the Prime Minister refuses to answer detailed questions with regards to her role in setting up a “slush fund”  for the Australian Workers’ Union, headed by her partner at the time, Bruce Wilson.

But is it “sexist?”

Hardly.

In fact, the pathetic attempt to portray this as some sort of smear campaign simply because she is a woman just reeks of desperation.

This is a Prime Minister who is incapable of responding to legitimate questions about her conduct as a lawyer.

It goes to the very heart of her character in terms of her sense of ethics and integrity, and correspondingly to her legitimacy to hold the highest office in Australia.

Playing the “it’s because I’m a woman” card is a cop-out and couldn’t be further from the truth.

It’s because she has a track record in deceitful behaviour, broken promises and broken commitments.

It’s a disgrace!

 

 

 

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  1. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2012 8:43 pm

    three times, they have withdrawn the same, defamatory story. Three times. How many typos does this outfit do

    Bullshit. The withdrawn article in the Australian did not mention “Trust Fund”. That was a straight out lie by the PM, parrotted here by TomR.

  2. August 23, 2012 8:51 pm

    I don’t give much credence to the sexism angle. Sometimes I think it’s used in the same way as screeching “raaaaacist!!!” as an instant dismissive after which no further debate is allowed.

    I think that any little bit of mud that can be found is being used to try & prematurely remove our minority government. It’s bee ngoing on ever since the last election.

    I particularly enjoy Abbott’s spurious attempts to tie BHP’s backdown on Olympic Dam as being a result of his Big New Tax fetish…even though the company itself has stated no such impetus.

    So, Gillard’s past is a bit dubious & is being used against her politically. I’m not sure that that makes it sexist. There are other, stronger motivations at work in keeping it in the media.
    The ALP are just using the sexist thing as a bit of reverse-spin, imo.

  3. Slabadang permalink
    August 23, 2012 8:55 pm

    Well youce seen this kind of caracter before!
    She is a proffesional liar thats more than obviuous. As a mix of layer and politician she has learned how to lie. Its funny how her memory suddenly kollapses when it comes to the most inportant questions and the obvious smokescreen that there where “other tensions” within the S&G is a not working tactic to obscure the facts that she was forced to leave because of dubbel betrayal of both her partners at S&G as well to the cleint AWU and that was the ONLY perpose of the taped and transcripted inverstigation held with Gillard.

    That she mislead the companyregistrator of the purpose of the slush fund is an additional reason to kick her out as a layer. She than broke alla ethics and loyalities with the paeple who put trust in her. The only ones who gained was her self and her boyfriend. Its simple as that!! The cohones of the S&G man in Seattle will probably be the most important factor to how this turns out. He knows exactly what happened.
    We do to we just need the fainal eveidence. “Smear campain” LOL o yes sure Julia suuuure!

  4. August 23, 2012 8:59 pm

    Thomson beat up — a dud, Ashby/Slipper — a dud. So this is the next one in the interminable attempt of Phoney Tony and the NO Coalition to gain parliamentary power by hook or crook -edness! And Australians want these people, with the venality and morality of Assad, as their Government?
    If we get the Government we deserve it doesn’t say much about us, does it?

  5. August 23, 2012 9:09 pm

    So Joolya believes that she is the victim of “a very sexist smear campaign.” by the Aussie paparazzi. This from “honest-Joolya“? Guess we can call it `Pap-Smear`?

  6. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2012 10:43 pm

    I really don’t know what to make of Slabadang’s contribution above. The points are coherent, specific and accurate yet the spelling is diabolical.

    I am intrigued.

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 12:13 am

    Gillard has given her barrackers an excuse to call criticism of her sexist and misogynist. It isn’t, it’s legitimate scrutiny and criticism.

    Gillard has sought to use her own gender, as there is no self respecting mid 30s male who would try the “young & naïve” crap.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 12:31 am

    I have to agree with Gillard, the misogyny and sexism that has been directed at her knows no equal in australian politics.

    I think the hatred, the inflammatory words, the derogatory tone and lack of respect has gone too far, this is personal and it is ugly.

    I think she should not have dignified the crap by holding the presser, she was playing their game, she should have just sued the arse of them all. Abbott, costello and their wives sued for what was written in a book that personally offended them.

    have any of you had a look at pickerings cartoons misogyny?

    A female PM has really got the angry old white men enraged and unhinged. unbelievable attacks. You really haven’t noticed abbott’s sexism dog whistling? I think that says more about you lot then!

    Gillard has sought to use her own gender, as there is no self respecting mid 30s male who would try the “young & naïve” crap.

    No, they would just blame the woman.

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 12:42 am

    I’m just reading over the other gillard thread:

    …All the crazies are out
    Abbott on this because it had nothing to do with him
    nah, he’s just an innocent bystander isn’t he…

    This has abott and cory bernardi’s fingerprints all over it. bernardi’s been cultivating the nasties and driving this tea party shit for years.

    …Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said there are “real issues that the Prime Minister needs to address” and called on her to make a statement to Parliament this week…

    Yeah and while they are there, let’s haul in michael lawler for a few questions, I don’t know why they don’t force him.

  10. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:07 am

    Armchair, oh brother…Yes, must be a conspiracy to derail her great record…Come on…

  11. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:31 am

    http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-having-it-both-ways-on-bhp-20120823-24nle.html

    …He kept at it on the 7.30 Report last night during an interview in which he said he had not read BHP’s statement issued hours earlier. Today he said he had misanswered the question and had read the statement…

    Abbott doesn’t lie does he?

    reb and kevin rudd share a passion:

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:37 am

    Armchair, oh brother…Yes, must be a conspiracy to derail her great record…Come on…

    no, sparta, this anti gillard hatred and vilification wouldn’t happen even in your crazy country. There would be an uproar if say michelle obama was treated the way that gillard has been here. It would be called out for the sexism that it is.

    It’s ugly, abusive and derogatory. A national shame.

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:18 am

    “This has abott and cory bernardi’s fingerprints all over it.”

    What a load of rubbish. If anything it has Robert McClellands fingerprints all over it. It was McClelland who brought it up in parliament. It sounds more like Gillards enemies within the ALP who keep bringing the topic up.

    Can’t wait for Gillard to say that Abbott is racist. It is the fall back option for ALP supporters to say your opponents are racist or sexist.

  14. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:43 am

    Armchair, it is politics; that’s it….The crap spewed about male politicians is no better…It comes with the territory even in your “lovely” country…Is it appropriate, no but it is the nature of the game. I would prefer these bums (male or female) do the peoples business instead of always pandering towards whom ever can get them reelected…Women now days want it both ways to be treated like a “lady” only when it suits them. Welcome to the “boys club” this is how we play…

  15. August 24, 2012 4:28 am

    `Women now days want it both ways to be treated like a “lady” only when it suits them. Welcome to the “boys club” this is how we play`

    blah, blah, blah .. Arizona Arse Clowns of the republican flavor are full of crap on this, Sarah Palin was treated very different to Hillary Clinton by religious, tea-bag crack-pots.

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:50 am

    Welcome to the “boys club” this is how we play…

    I think we know how “the boys” play, that is the problem and why the world needs change.

    Gillards enemies within the ALP who keep bringing the topic up.

    Can’t wait for Gillard to say that Abbott is racist. It is the fall back option for ALP supporters to say your opponents are racist or sexist.

    It would be hard to deny the lib/nats are racist with all their divisive policies and politics aimed at marginalising and demonising minorities.

    If anything it has Robert McClellands fingerprints all over it.

    Think you’ll also find a connection with larry pickering and the galileo movement of climate sceptics/teabaggers, alan jones the teabag spruiker and the cando mobsters along with all the teabagger fronts that have been organised by cory bernardi since the lostlast election. They all have one connection – the coalition.

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:06 am

    It would be hard to deny the lib/nats are racist with all their divisive policies and politics aimed at marginalising and demonising minorities.”

    Pretty poor response. It is true that ALP supporters usually call Coalition supporters sexist or racist when they are the ALP is losing an argument. It is the usual fall back option.

    Think you’ll also find a connection with larry pickering and the galileo movement of climate sceptics/teabaggers, alan jones the teabag spruike

    Where are they getting their information from?? The leaking of information about this issue is coming from ALP people. Can’t help if other people pick up on it. What are you saying?? Alan Jones is not aloud to talk about information being released by ALP supporters???

    You are trying to spin a story that is not true. Gillard has mentioned that Abbott has asked no questions in Question time about this issue.

  18. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:18 am

    Bullshit. The withdrawn article in the Australian did not mention “Trust Fund”. That was a straight out lie by the PM, parrotted here by TomR.

    Don’t know if it specifically used the term “Trust Fund”, that is your claim, not mine, but it is definitely not the first time the oo have had to withdraw on this very issue. You appear to be only one complaining about it

    did The Australian let its guard down today when it published the allegation once again that Julia Gillard had set up a trust fund for her boyfriend, or former boyfriend, 17 years ago?

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3574819.htm

    Even the oo’s chief muckraker didn’t complain about that. Only some crazies in the blogosphere seem to have an issue.

  19. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:39 am

    Another cunning political stunt by princess joolya, who has no clothes.

  20. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:08 am

    who has no clothes.

    She was cloaked in facts, while the assembled media scrum and other nut-jobs were caught with their collective pants down

  21. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:09 am

    By comparison Gina doesn’t have to bleat about sexism. Go you liddle bewdy.

    ‘GINA Rinehart’s cat-and-mouse game with the board of Fairfax Media continued last night as she hired Morgan Stanley to try and find a buyer for almost 5 per cent of her shareholding at a tiny discount to the closing price.

    ‘The discount was so small that most plausible explanation is she is sending the signal that if she doesn’t get what she wants – two board seats – then she is prepared to torch her entire investment, an ugly prospect from the point of view of the impact on the share price.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/rineharts-cat-plays-with-mouse-20120823-24oyn.html#ixzz24PhaMwHC

  22. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:13 am

    ‘She was cloaked in facts’

    For the good of the party she must be cut free…

  23. August 24, 2012 9:19 am

    Didn’t Julia once refer to Christopher Pyne as a “mincing poodle?”

    Is he therefore not the victim of a homophobic smear campaign instigated by Julia…?

    That’s the thing with Labor and their supporters, they can dish it out, but when they get some mud flung back they go to pieces and start moaning about being poor hapless victims…

  24. August 24, 2012 9:22 am

    “Gillard has sought to use her own gender, as there is no self respecting mid 30s male who would try the “young & naïve” crap.”

    Strongly agree!

    And when the wretched stench of lies and duplicity can no longer be ignored, she talks about “molecules” FFS…!

  25. Ineffective isms permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:32 am

    There’s another discussion to be had here: Does the overuse of the terms “sexist” or “misogynist” (also “racist”, “anti-semite”, “Nazi”, “facist”, and many others) diminish their impact, even to the point they become meaningless?

  26. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:47 am

    “Does the overuse of the terms “sexist” or “misogynist” (also “racist”, “anti-semite”, “Nazi”, “facist”, and many others) diminish their impact, even to the point they become meaningless?”

    Well of course but some continue to use it (here for example). When one has no argument it is always best to throw out the “ism” and run away…Unfortunately, it is all to often those on the Left of politics that resort to the “ism” tactic. The right wing comparison would be “the bible tells me so”…My favorite left wing dodge however has to be the “red herring and straw man” claim…All code for we have nothing but passion at the end of the day…

    Julia simply has no cards left and is trying desperately to cling to power..I am waiting for the Obama supporters to start screaming “Americans are racist” if he drops in the polls or god forbid, loses the next election…”CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN”…LMAO

  27. August 24, 2012 9:53 am

    Unfortunately, it is all to often those on the Left of politics that resort to the “ism” tactic. The right wing comparison would be “the bible tells me so”

    Perhaps.

  28. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:55 am

    Everyone is guilty of it.

    That doesn’t make right.

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:59 am

    The smear of Gillard was definitely sexist. A male politician would not be subject to the same smearing scrutiny. Like Craig Thomson for example.

  30. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:59 am

    Julia simply has no cards left

    NDIS, PPL, NBN, ETS

    No cards 😯

    Here I was thinking this is the muckrakers digging down into pickerings barrel cos they got nothing left. They threw all the shit, and most of it is now raining back on them.

    gretch, jackson, ashby, blewitt. It’s an impressive array of dubious characters they have used to try and smear this Government with, isn’t it?

  31. August 24, 2012 10:02 am

    “They”……”them”…..

    Who are these “they” and “them” you speak of, TomR?

  32. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2012 10:02 am

    Those aren’t cards, TomR. They are suicide pills. The big lie of “no carbon tax under a government I lead” alone will see her booted from office.

  33. August 24, 2012 10:06 am

    I SAY MOLECULES TO THAT!

  34. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 10:10 am

    Who are these “they” and “them” you speak of, TomR?

    Those who threw the shit. Do try to keep up.

  35. August 24, 2012 10:27 am

    Who threw the shit, TomR? Please be specific.

  36. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 11:15 am

    Are you telling me you still cannot work it out 😯

    Actually, that doesn’t surprise me at all 😦

    Here’s a thought, why not address this, before demanding basic reading assistance from anyone else

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/im-the-victim-of-a-sexist-smear-campaign/#comment-5452

  37. August 24, 2012 11:27 am

    Address what? That the ABC repeated Gillard’s lie about the “Trust Fund”? Go back to the Australian article that was withdrawn. No mention of a Trust Fund.

    TomR, who threw the shit? It’s a simple question, with a simple answer. Much easier to answer than to dance around with your usual smart arse “no comprehension” crap and links to earlier posts which don’t answer the question.

  38. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 11:47 am

    You are the one harping on about ‘trust fund’. Do you have the comment where it was specifically mentioned that the previous ones had specifically said ‘trust fund’. Cos I didn’t. I just said ‘the same, defamatory story’. Not identical, word for word. Even sid, the oo hack, didn’t complain. You are the only one who seems to be making an issue about a total non-issue, and calling people liars as a result.

  39. August 24, 2012 12:03 pm

    You quoted, and linked to, an ABC statement that The Australian let its guard down today when it published the allegation once again that Julia Gillard had set up a trust fund for her boyfriend, or former boyfriend, 17 years ago?

    I don’t know what the problem was with the previous Australian article but it wasn’t to do with Trust Funds because it wasn’t mentioned. Gillard lied about that, and used the lie to ambush an unprepared press gallery. If she wanted to be truly transparent, she’d have given notice that she would be answering questions on it. She didn’t.

  40. August 24, 2012 12:25 pm

    The issue of Trust Funds is an interesting one, however.

    It was a serious error, made once, by The Australian. A “Trust Fund” set up by a solicitor is a far more serious issue than an “Incorporated Association” and Gillard was right to have that withdrawn, as convenient as it was for her narrative.

    But on that…….at some point a cheque has passed through the offices of Slater and Gordon for the deposit on a house purchase for this Mr Blewitt. When a cheque passes through a solicitor’s office its treatment is taken very seriously. It doesn’t just get banked and paid out at the behest of some conveyencer or accounts clerk. Both the deposit and the cheque requisition need to be signed off by a partner. They need to view the cheque. They need to sign the form noting who the cheque was written by and what it is for.

    That a partner of a large law firm allowed a cheque of that size, drawn by an Incorporated Association, to represent the deposit on a private property for which that firm will be assisting with a mortgage, simply defies belief. Someone authorised that transfer within the firm, and it can only have been someone prepared to overlook that anomoly.

    Who was that partner?

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 12:31 pm

    This same ‘unprepared’ press gallery was sitting right there when Tony Jones asked the question, and he didn’t disagree with him. But, Tony Jones question to sid maher (who, I will repeat, did not disagree with the assertion) was made AFTER I commented, so his use of the term ‘trust fund’ doesn’t really change the fact that that is not what I said, and I am fairly certain it is not what Gillard said in relation to the ‘same story’

    The ‘trust fund’ is simply the terminology that got them in the shit this time. The wording might have been slightly different previously, but they were about the ‘same story’

    Even ‘they’ who are responsible don’t argue the point, yet here we are, circle jerking around.

    Seems like old times 😦

    If she wanted to be truly transparent, she’d have given notice that she would be answering questions on it.

    She spent over an hour answering questions specifically on that subject. If a ‘journalist’ cannot formulate a question over that time on an issue ‘they’ have been ranting about for over a week, then what the hell are they sitting in that room for?

  42. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 12:35 pm

    In light of snacty’s last comment, this is amusing

    JULIA Gillard is right – she will never satisfy the nuts and conspiracists lurking in the blogosphere about her suitability to be Prime Minister.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/frankly-delay-only-undermines-trust/story-e6frg75f-1226457000564

    Burnt by one of ‘them’ 😆

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:01 pm

    It goes to the very heart of her character in terms of her sense of ethics and integrity, and correspondingly to her legitimacy to hold the highest office in Australia.

    Playing the “it’s because I’m a woman” card is a cop-out and couldn’t be further from the truth.

    It’s because she has a track record in deceitful behaviour, broken promises and broken commitments.

    It’s a disgrace!

    If the “silly spelling” post from Slabadang doesn’t ring true (well spotted, BTW, James!) … then the paragraphs above “could have” been written by ToM … one wonders/ Doesn’t one … 🙄

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:13 pm

    She spent over an hour answering questions specifically on that subject. If a ‘journalist’ cannot formulate a question over that time on an issue ‘they’ have been ranting about for over a week, then what the hell are they sitting in that room for?

    I suspect that the ones ranting about it were not in the room. Was Hedley Thomas there???

    It does take some knowledge on the subject to ask the right questions.

  45. August 24, 2012 1:17 pm

    PM: Okay, if we can turn to other matters. For a number of months now, there has been a smear campaign circulating
    on the Internet relating to events 17 years ago. Much of the material in circulation is highly sexist. I’ve taken the view
    over time that I will not dignify this campaign with a response either.
    However, this morning something changed on that. The Australian newspaper republished a false and highly defamatory
    claim about my conduct in relation to these matters 17 years ago. It is a claim about me setting up a trust fund.
    A claim was first published by News Limited in relation to me and funds during the election campaign in 2007. On
    that occasion, the claim was retracted and apologised for. The claim was made again by Glenn Milne, a then columnist
    with the Australian newspaper, such a dim view was taken of his conduct in relation to that matter his employment
    was terminated.
    Despite these events, a similar claim has been recirculated by the Australian newspaper today. People may have already
    seen that the claim has been retracted and apologised for and that retraction and apology appears on the Australian
    web site and as I understand it on all News Limited web sites.
    In these circumstances, where I am seeing, recycled again, false and defamatory material attacking my character, I
    have determined that I will deal with these issues. I’m therefore happy to take questions on these matters. I am going
    to do that today.
    Given we have got to a stage where false and defamatory material is now being recycled in the Australian newspaper;
    I’ll make this an opportunity to ask questions if people have them on their mind. This will be the only occasion on
    which I deal with this matter. I am not going to dignify it by ongoing answering of questions.

    Seems so clear even TomR should be able to, er, comprehend it.

  46. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:30 pm

    A claim was first published by News Limited in relation to me and funds during the election campaign in 2007.

    Comprehended, unlike some. And look, she didn’t say that that one specifically mentioned ‘trust funds’, did she, simply ‘funds’

    She did however say the most recent one was specifically about ‘trust funds’

    The Australian newspaper republished a false and highly defamatory
    claim about my conduct in relation to these matters 17 years ago. It is a claim about me setting up a trust fund.

    For the REALLY slow

    Despite these events, a similar claim has been recirculated by the Australian newspaper today.

    What a fucking waste of a day we have had here. We have worked out that, what, Gillard claimed that stories had been taken down previously over the same issue, the hacks agree, and the nuts and conspiracists are still belabouring the point. Even when their own example betrays them.

    Oh, and that snacty calls people liars at the drop of a hat 😆

  47. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:31 pm

    This made me think of snacty

  48. August 24, 2012 1:51 pm

    “Republished”…..

    Republished what exactly?

    “a false and highly defamatory claim”

    What claim?

    “It is a claim about me setting up a trust fund”

    Geddit?

  49. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 1:58 pm

    Circle jerking about

    Despite these events, a similar claim has been recirculated by the Australian newspaper today.

    the earlier claim was

    A claim was first published by News Limited in relation to me and funds during the election campaign in 2007.

    No, I don’t know what the specific claim was, that was the point of the oo taking it down. Aren’t you supposed to be a lawyer or something?

    As she clearly said, there were similar (not same) claims over the SAME MATTER previously.

    Please, click the image link, and please, try and act on that advice.

  50. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 2:02 pm

    This is so fucking ridiculous

    Go back to the Australian article that was withdrawn.

    Do you mean that you reckon that the article from the other (that has been withdrawn) did not mention ‘trust fund’??

    Cos, that will be hard to determine, given that is it, you know, WITHDRAWN!!

  51. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 2:16 pm

    And Gillard did not say that the other ones mentioned ‘trust fund, simply that they were over the similar claims.

    Are you comprehending yet snacty?

  52. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 2:51 pm

    Then the next day he said he had read the report and when he said “no” he was responding to something else. If that is true, then he has a serious problem with concentration and comprehension.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-24/cassidy-gillard-abbott-hours-of-maddness/4220582

    I thought he was talking about our snacty there for a minute

    😆

  53. August 24, 2012 2:57 pm

    What in here is

    a. Potentially defamatory and
    b. “Similar” to claiming that she set up a Trust Fund?

    Julia Gillard has lost all authority within the broader Labor movement

    THE real import of the alleged brothel creeping scandal surrounding Craig Thomson has been missed. And it is this: key factions and unions within the Labor movement are now openly indifferent to the fate of either Julia Gillard or the federal government. They simply don’t care any more.

    Gillard has now lost all authority within the broader Labor movement. By their actions in the Thomson saga they have signalled a judgment that she cannot win the next election. Settling internal scores and power struggles is therefore now more important than whatever happens to a lameduck PM who can’t haul her primary voting numbers out of the pathetically fatal mid 20s.

    The Mafia-style dirt-covered shovel — code for digging your own grave — dumped on Friday at 3.30am on the doorstop of Kathy Jackson, the union official who had the courage to refer Thomson’s activities to the police, may as well have been delivered to the Lodge. For Gillard it is now that bad. She is simply regarded as collateral damage and large sections in the Labor movement are uninterested about whether she’s terminally wounded or not as they go about their internal bloodletting. It is about to get worse as elements of the Australian Workers’ Union seek to settle up with Thomson’s accusers by demonstrating that Gillard herself was implicated, albeit unknowingly, in a major union fraud of her own before she entered parliament.

    On Friday, Michael Smith of 2UE contacted me to check the veracity of material in a statutory declaration drawn up by Bob Kernohan, the former president of the AWU, and dealing with the relationship between Gillard and Bruce Wilson, which I outline below.

    On Saturday, Herald Sun and Daily Telegraph columnist Andrew Bolt wrote on his blog: ‘‘On Monday, I’m tipping, a witness with a statutory declaration will come forward and implicate Julia Gillard directly in another scandal involving the misuse of union funds. Gillard herself is not accused of any misbehaviour at all. I do not make that claim, and do not hold that belief. But her judgment — and that of at least one of her ministers — will come under severe question. She will seem compromised. It could be the last straw for Gillard’s leadership.’’

    Big call. But I do have a good deal of knowledge regarding Bolt’s claims. On Sunday November 11, 2007, just days before the November 24 election I interviewed Gillard, then deputy leader of the opposition, in my capacity as political editor for News Limited’s Sunday newspapers. The interview concerned the embezzlement of union funds — not disputed — and later the subject of a court conviction by a former boyfriend of Gillard, Bruce Wilson. I had researched the piece for months. It was the most heavily lawyered article I have ever been involved in writing. The story said that as a solicitor acting on instructions, she set up an association later used by her lover to defraud the AWU. But she has strenuously denied ever knowing what the association’s bank accounts were used for.

    Gillard, then in her early 30s, was a lawyer with Melbournebased Labor firm Slater & Gordon. At the time of the fraud she acted for the AWU. She met Wilson, then the West Australian AWU secretary, while representing the union in the Industrial Relations Commission. Wilson later moved to Melbourne to become Victorian secretary of the union.

    ‘‘These matters happened between 12 and 15 years ago,’’ Gillard told me. ‘‘I was young and naive. I was in a relationship, which I ended, and obviously it was all very distressing. I am by no means the first person to find out that someone close turns out to be different to what you had believed them to be. It’s an ordinary human error.

    ‘‘I was obviously hurt, when I was later falsely accused publicly of wrongdoing. I didn’t do anything wrong and to have false allegations in the media was distressing.’’

    What the lawyers would not allow to be reported was the fact that Gillard shared a home in Fitzroy bought by Wilson using the embezzled funds. There is or was no suggestion Gillard knew about the origin of the money. We now await the issue to which Bolt refers.

    If it comes, and if it is powerful as Bolt suggests, it will be further evidence that the Victorian Right represented by the AWU is involved in a life and death struggle with the Right as represented by the Hospital Services Union. Thomson was a senior official of the HSU for 20 years before entering parliament via the seat of Dobell.

    The HSU split several years ago into two factions. Thomson was supported by Jeff Jackson, Kathy Jackson’s former husband. This so-called old guard was the support base for Victorian right-wing power boss, David Feeney. Feeney is now looking for a parliamentary seat because Gillard’s abysmal numbers have made his third Senate spot vulnerable.

    A defeat for the old guard by way of a successful prosecution of Thomson by police, would leave Feeney powerless and without a base or a seat.

    Jackson himself has been accused of using union money on escorts with enemies of the Victorian HSU boss releasing bank statements showing payments to the same Sydney brothel where federal MP Thomson’s credit card was allegedly used. Jackson has denied the claims. Ultimately at issue here could be the succession to Gillard, and I’ll explain why.

    When Kathy Jackson called in the wallopers, the stakes were high. Because a federal defeat for Thomson and his allies would enhance the power base of Victoria’s two other factional king makers, Bill Shorten and Stephen Conroy who are both aligned with the new guard in the HSU. And we all know what Shorten’s ultimate ambition is.

    What a tangled web we weave especially when you consider Thomson is married to Zoe Arnold, a former Transport Workers Union official and adviser to former NSW Health Minister Reba Meagher. Alex Williamson, daughter of HSU national president Mike Williamson, is an adviser to Gillard. And, of course, as mentioned, Kathy Jackson, who blew the whistle on Thomson, was married to former Victorian state HSU secretary Jeff Jackson.

    Truly the NSW Disease has arrived in Canberra.

    Meanwhile amid all this interbred internecine manoeuvring Gillard attempts to adopt the high ground, attacking shadow attorney-general George Brandis for intervening in the course of justice. On Thursday morning Gillard attacked Brandis for speaking to NSW Police Minister Michael Gallacher at a time when the allegations against Thomson were being assessed by NSW Police. Unfortunately she got her facts wrong because the NSW police only announced they were conducting an assessment four days after Brandis spoke to Gallacher and in fact only got Brandis’s dossier three days after he spoke to Gallacher.

    A small point but one that indicates the pressure is beginning to show on Gillard as she desperately searches for points of deflection. During the same press conference she also vainly tried to defend Thomson’s decision not to make a statement to the parliament on the facts. We all know why; if he lies he’s finished as an MP and Gillard is washed up as Prime Minister. Gillard and Thomson are shackled together just as surely as two First Fleet convicts.

    Oh, and here’s a small postscript on which to end. On September 7 at the Wyong Christian School at 2pm there will be the opening of a new hall built with funds from Gillard’s time overseeing the Building the Education Revolution. Thomson is scheduled to attend as the local member. My gut instinct is that both he and the Prime Minister will be otherwise engaged.

  54. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:01 pm

    What in here is

    Who knows, who cares. I’m not trawling through that random assembly of whatever it is without knowing what the it is supposed to prove one way or another.

    I have already wasted too much of my day with you to read meaningless crap without a real purpose.

    Fact is, Gillard said the story the other day was pulled because of the term ‘trust fund’, the oo agrees. She claimed ‘similar’ stories had been pulled.

    This is all verified. Are you ready to acknowledge that yet?

  55. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:05 pm

    “Similar” to claiming that she set up a Trust Fund?
    .
    .
    involving the misuse of union funds

    You should stop posting crap that doesn’t support your ‘argument’ snacty 😉

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:07 pm

    Seems so clear even TomR should be able to, er, comprehend it.

    Well you obviously don’t … you simply believe everything the newspapers print – even if they have to withdraw them … bloody hell, the judges are gonna luv you …

    And you lot believed that Downer, Howard, Ruddock et al, didn’t know about the AWB scandal … GMAFB!

  57. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:11 pm

    bloody hell, the judges are gonna luv you

    Remind me, if I ever get a speeding fine, don’t hire ‘snacty and co’ to try and get me off.

    I’d end up on friggin’ death row for a traffic infringement 😆

  58. August 24, 2012 3:12 pm

    I make my own assessment, TomR. Based on what I read for myself, TomR.

    I have posted a transcript of what Julia Gillard said. And I have posted a copy of the Glenn Milne article pulled in 2011 that Julia Gillard states made a defamatory claim that was republished yesterday by the Australian regarding the setting up of a Trust Fund (or similar).

    Where in the Milne article does it make a claim “similar” to “Julia Gillard set up a Trust Fund”?

  59. August 24, 2012 3:15 pm

    Maybe you can answer for TomR, Bush Lawyer. It’s a pretty simple question. Is there a claim in the Milne article that Julia Gillard set up a Trust Fund (or something similar)?

    If there is not, Julia Gillard is a liar, and TomR is but a simple parrot.

  60. August 24, 2012 3:18 pm

    Try to stay on topic, TomR. I know the easy out for you and TB is to sledge me personally (what do YOU do, by the way?) but it doesn’t win you the debate.

    TB loves to call for evidence, and his go to position is always ALWAYS to run the “what a terrible lawyer I’ll make” theme. The evidence is there. Match your argument to the evidence. Both of you. Either of you. I dare you.

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:21 pm

    It’s that ‘reading’ deficiency thing again, ain’t it snacts

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/im-the-victim-of-a-sexist-smear-campaign/#comment-5497

    BTW, if that is milnes article (I’m not saying it isn’t), where did you get it from?

    And, (assuming that it is), do you feel comfortable re-posting defamatory material here on rebs site?

    (I still haven’t read it all, I just saw the bit about funds, which, you know, seemed similar to ‘funds’ to me 😉

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:22 pm

    Ooh, double dare ya back 😆

  63. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:32 pm

    Anyway, I really have wasted enough time here on illiterate lawyers today. I need to get me to beer o clock.

    Maybe by tonight snacty will have seen the error of his ways

    But I doubt it

  64. August 24, 2012 3:43 pm

    “Involving the misuse of funds….” is quoting Andrew Bolt, is not defamatory, and is not why the article was pulled. The factual error, which is indeed an error in fact, but which is probably not defamatory, is there, and relates to Gillard and Wilson’s living arrangements and who purchased the house.

    I feel perfectly comfortable posting the text of the article because it is in the context of a debate about why the article was pulled, and in particular in relation to comments by the PM herself as to why the article was pulled. She said it was because it contained allegations regarding the setting up of Trust Accounts (or similar).

    It was pulled because of the sentence commencing “What the lawyers would not allow……”

    That is in no way similar to the setting up of Trust Accounts.

    And, yes, it is the Milne article.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 3:47 pm

    Ms Gillard held an hour-long media conference yesterday to counter claims about her role as a solicitor 17 years ago in giving legal advice to Australian Workers Union officials about setting up a body that was later allegedly used for private purposes by union officials.

    Police did not proceed to any charges and an internal inquiry by the law firm found no misconduct by Ms Gillard.

    Mr Abbott told reporters in Brisbane today that Ms Gillard must have held the media conference because she felt she had questions to answer.

    He said it was now up to the public to “mull over” Ms Gillard’s defence of allegations about her time as an industrial lawyer.

    But he said he had no interest in what she did as a lawyer almost two decades ago.

    “My principal interest is not in whether the Prime Minister was a bad lawyer; it’s whether she is a bad Prime Minister and the evidence we have is … she is an incompetent and untrustworthy Prime Minister,” Mr Abbott said.

    However, Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne said the Prime Minister still had questions to answer and should make a statement to parliament.

    James, do you understand the meaning of the word “hypocrisy” … read the above …

    … Ms Gillard, as she was known 17 years ago, was not have charges brought against her and Slater & Gordon found no evidence of misconduct …

    Tony Abbott said her conference yesterday meant she had questions to answer … after an hour with a gaggle of journalist (most who said her answers were valid) no-one asked a qustion validating anything you have said on the subject … innuendo is not evidence … its generally BS …

    Tony Abbott said it was for the public to to decide over Ms Gillards time as a lawyer … according to the press (Lateline last night was interesting) there was nothing in the story except speculation … a typica,l political, vendetta …

    Then we get Christopher Pyne saying the Prime Minister still had questions to answer … after a roomful of journos had an hour to ask question about something that happened 17 years ago … and couldn’t think of any …

    A beat up? Evidence? Nil!

    That seems so clear even you, James, should be able to,er, comprehend it …

  66. August 24, 2012 3:54 pm

    I don’t get your point, TB. What are you saying? Are you calling me a hypocrite?

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 4:27 pm

    Gillard said nothing to address the questions about her judgement, competence and transparency. She knowingly advised on the establishment of a fund that was intended for the personal benefit of her boyfriend. She didn’t disclose this to her actual client or her employment. She provided the legal support to establish a slush fund.

  68. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 4:57 pm

    TomR is a graduate from the Deltoid school of obfuscation and will never be beat.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:00 pm

    Are you calling me a hypocrite?

    Only if you continue to follow the Liberal Party Lie Line …

    … eg … we think she has questions to answer but we don’t know what they are but we are not really interested in her as a lawyer but as the Prime Minister but she has a lot of questions to answer as a lawyer and of course we don’t know what questions they are, so she should make a statement anyway, to Parliament, about the questions she has to answer about being a lawyer but we’re not really interested in her days as a lawyer because the police didn’t find anything to charge her with and her employer found no misconduct when she was a lawyer, the public will have to decide but we are only interested in her as a Prime Minister and she should make a statement to Parliament about when she was a lawyer and answer the questions that we can’t think of … because she’s the Prime Minister …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Gillard said nothing to address the questions about her judgement, competence and transparency

    She gave the media an hour to ask ’em … why didn’t they … because they are opinions …

    She knowingly advised on the establishment of a fund that was intended for the personal benefit of her boyfriend

    Slipped a little ToM word in there … hey, ToMMie … “knowingly” … ?

    She didn’t disclose this to her actual client or her employment

    And the Slater & Gordon internal investigation and a police investigation found no misconduct …

    She provided the legal support to establish a slush fund. Repititon will convince anyone, ToM …

    TomR is a graduate from the Deltoid school of obfuscation and will never be beat.

    I agree with the latter half of your statement but the “obfuscation” is a Liberal supporter trait …

    eg … The Prime Minister has questions to answer and should make a statement about the questions … we don’t know what they are but she should make a statement anyway, we are interested in her as the Prime Minister, not an incident that took place 17 years ago as a lawyer … but she still has questions to answer as a lawyer … 🙄

  70. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:17 pm

    Again, snacty is burnt by his own words.

    It was pulled because of the sentence commencing “What the lawyers would not allow……”

    Should have known there was something when he didn’t complete the sentence 😉

    What the lawyers would not allow to be reported was the fact that Gillard shared a home in Fitzroy bought by Wilson using the embezzled funds.

    There’s that word agin 😆

    And apparently, I’m the one who ‘obfuscates’ 😯

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:19 pm

    She gave the media an hour to ask ‘em … why didn’t they … because they are opinions …”

    One possibility was that the love media from the Canberra press gallery were not interested.

    How many journalists present knew anything about the topic?? Apparently she gave no announcement that the topic would be brought up.

    Was Hedley Thomas present??

    Why did she not make her statement in Parliament??

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:35 pm

    Gillard helped her boyfriend establish a slush fund, to be used for his personal benefit. She may not have known if would be used fraudulently, but she knew it was a slush fund. She knew the purpose she defined was a sham.

    She didn’t advise her client or her employer. She got confused and conflicted about who she was representing.

    Poor judgement, poor ethics.

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:36 pm

    Well of course but some continue to use it (here for example). When one has no argument it is always best to throw out the “ism” and run away…

    Would that be me?

    I did indeed run away sparta…to work, I do work you know and even have a life away from the blog. I don’t comment to suit your timetable, I comment when it suits me. But if you feel a need to mount an attack based on such stupid claims, go for your life. I suppose it’s best to throw out such nonsense when one has no argument.

  74. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:44 pm

    Tony Abbott is handling this well, top marks to his minders.

    Joolya thinks she’s in an episode of west wing, which is funny if you consider that her office is staffed by the socialist alliance.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:45 pm

    You really do tell lies, Noddy … maybe that’s why you falsely accuse others … apology? Still waiting …

    … and why you should really do your research before making childish statements like …

    How many journalists present knew anything about the topic??

    You really MUST watch this if you want to argue your Noddy points any further …

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3574819.htm

    Why did she not make her statement in Parliament??

    er, it was a press conference … you know where journalists ask questions (not prepped like Tony Abbott needs) …

    … or are you referring to the statement that Christopher Pyne and Tony Abbott keep referring to … but they don’t know why or what … the Prime Minister should make a statement about … because they are only interested in her as the Prime Minister … so why should she make a statement about her time as a lawyer and what about … they don’t know, nor do you, so why should she? How fkn stupid …

    (I simply cannot stop shaking my head …)

  76. Overused and abused permalink
    August 24, 2012 6:56 pm

    “[I]f you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people — certainly no political party or organized body of any kind — which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years. Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term ‘Fascist’. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

    “Conservatives … Socialists … Communists … Trotskyists … Catholics … War resisters … Supporters of the war … Nationalists . . .It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.”

    George Orwell: ‘What is Fascism?‘, TRIBUNE, 1944.

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:00 pm

    “You really do tell lies, Noddy

    What lie would this be??

    She did her press conference in front of the love media from the Canberra Press gallery. The main questions the Canberra Press gallery ask is what should we print to help the ALP win the next election?

    It was a very friendly audience. Why did she not give any warning about what the topics for discussion would be??

    Was Hedley Thomas present???

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:00 pm

    Poor judgement, poor ethics.

    And poor argument … she didn’t know AT THE TIME … like all right whingers … you rely on hindsight – a wonderful “skill set” …

    Tony Abbott is handling this well, top marks to his minders.

    Ya mean the Liberal Faceless Men? Handling what well? … innuendo, bullshit, muckraking, mudslinging … or simply staying out of the limelight with fkn stupid statements and photo ops … now did he read the BHPB report before he was interviewed by Lee Sales, or after, or during …?

    … if you haven’t seen his pathetic performance you should watch it (let me know if you want a link – I’m sick of researching for Liberal Apologisers ..) Hint, ABC iView …

    Joolya thinks she’s in an episode of west wing, which is funny if you consider that her office is staffed by the socialist alliance.

    The Prime Minister doesn’t think she’s in West Wing … the Opposition and its supporters do …

    WTF is the “socialist alliance” …

    BTW, egg, nice to see you finally showing you true colours … none of this, “I was a an ALP voter till Julia” .. crap … now it’s, “Tony Abbott is handling it well …” … even Liberal Party members think the man is a moronic loose canon (typo left deliberately!) … that’s why he’s there right now .. WWI thinking by Ye Olde Liberal Party General Staff … “well, the man is expendable, sir, just let him loose until the final assault” … once he’s gawn we’ll just throw another’n in, what?”

    This silly ALP female can’t stand the trenches like a good trouper from the LibNats … I mean even the Bishop twins are only cannon fodder … what!

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:03 pm

    What lie would this be??

    I said LIES that’s plural … you accused me of being a liar over a typo …

    Was Hedley Thomas present???

    How the fuck would I know, or care … are you in love or something? And who gives a shit (apart from you) …

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:07 pm

    It was a very friendly audience. Why did she not give any warning about what the topics for discussion would be??

    LOL!

    Why is the moon round? Is the world flat? Why do I bother posting on TDT? If I post will you agree with me? Will you ever post anything that makes sense to an adult?

    The world is full of questions Noddy …

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:12 pm

    How the fuck would I know, or care … are you in love or something? And who gives a shit (apart from you) …

    In case you do not know, not many journalists have been writing about this topic. They are too scared to. Glenn Milne lost his job. Michael Smith lost his job.

    It must be unique in our history but two journalists have lost their jobs for even thinking about writing about this issue.

    Nobody in the love media from the Canberra Press gallery would try and make Gillard unhappy. That is why she did her Press conference in their presence.

    These are very worrying times when the natural totalitarians from the left try and get away with censoring the media.

  82. Noddy's right permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:16 pm

    ‘These are very worrying times when the natural totalitarians from the left try and get away with censoring the media.’

    Quite so.

  83. August 24, 2012 7:21 pm

    ” Does the overuse of the terms “sexist” or “misogynist” (also “racist”, “anti-semite”, “Nazi”, “facist”, and many others) diminish their impact, even to the point they become meaningless?”

    Yes.

  84. August 24, 2012 7:24 pm

    Yeah, because the right has no ‘natural totalitarians’. 🙄

    What polemic crap!

  85. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:24 pm

    “Tony Abbott is handling it well …” … ‘even Liberal Party members think the man is a moronic loose canon’…

    That’s why he has good minders. Joolya is trying to draw him into a trap, but he’s staying well clear.

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:25 pm

    In case you do not know, not many journalists have been writing about this topic. They are too scared to. Glenn Milne lost his job. Michael Smith lost his job.

    No! And they were reportingthe truth? Well FMD! That’s atrocious …

    It must be unique in our history but two journalists have lost their jobs for even thinking about writing about this issue.

    But, but you said that they had written about it … not just “thought” about it … no wonder all the other journalists are scared … moralistic bunch of cowards! Still those bloody Thought Police have so much power … managers and editors just do what they tell them!

    ‘These are very worrying times when the natural totalitarians from the left try and get away with censoring the media.’

    Quite so .

    Don’t encourage it, ToSY, that’s taking cynicism to the extreme! The twit will believe you!

    I can’t believe that it could actually come up with “the natural totalitarians” … 🙄

  87. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:26 pm

    It must be unique in our history but two journalists have lost their jobs for even thinking about writing about this issue.

    Actually, don’t kow about hte other one, but milne lost his job cos he wrote a defamatory article.

    You know, he made a claim about a certain fund that was innacurate, similar to one that had been made before, one that had already been taken to task at that time.

    To make matters even worst, the oo made a similar claim just the other day ( did you see what I just did there snacty 😉 ), and subsequently took it down because even they knew they had stepped over the boundaries. Again.

    It is not totalitarian, it is simply illegal to defame someone in that manner. Ask tabot. He has used those same laws himself. Except, he simply sued, Gillard has been far too polite imo, issuing warnings instead of just legalling up.

    The Australian can speak for itself, but Insiders stopped using Milne after he was acknowledged by The Australian (who publicly apologised) as having written a column containing inaccurate or inappropriate material.

    ABC News Management determined that this posed an unacceptable editorial risk for a live television program based on guests freely providing analysis and comment on political matters. So it related to issues around the reliability of Milne’s work and not its subject matter.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-24/cassidy-gillard-abbott-hours-of-maddness/4220582

  88. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:27 pm

    TomR, WILSON DIDN’T BUY THE FKN HOUSE! Fck you’re dumb. That’s what was factually incorrect. Geezus. The house WAS bought with embezzled funds. That was true. But not by Wilson and Gillard lived (at least officially) in her own place that Con Farkakakis was butchering.

    And the reason you’re dumb is that you’re engaging in debate and sledging about something of which you understand none of the details.

  89. Krappy polemicist permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:28 pm

    ‘What polemic crap!’

    😉

  90. August 24, 2012 7:28 pm

    🙂

  91. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:29 pm

    but he’s staying well clear.

    By demanding that she makes a statement in Parliament 😯

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:29 pm

    You want totaliatarian? Try this, Noddy Newman, at work …

    DYING Queenslanders are being left without specialist care as Newman Government cost-cutting forces over-stretched clinicians to wind back overtime hours, leaving areas of the state unmanned for consecutive shifts.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/dying-queenslanders-left-without-specialist-care-due-to-newman-cost-cutting/story-fndo45r1-1226456080381

  93. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:32 pm

    But, but you said that they had written about it …

    Did I say that??

    My understanding is that Milne and Smith were sacked from their jobs for even thinking about publishing stuff about what Gillard did 17 years ago.

    Nobody from the gutless Canberra Press gallery would want to offend Gillard.That is why she did her Press conference in front of a bunch of gutless wonders.

  94. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:32 pm

    I pasted this slowly in hte hope that snacty would read it slowly

    A claim was first published by News Limited in relation to me and funds during the election campaign in 2007.

    Those are Gillards words.

    Even nil get’s it

    It must be unique in our history but two journalists have lost their jobs for even thinking about writing about this issue.

  95. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:37 pm

    WTF is the “socialist alliance” …

    I should have said Socialist Forum, thanx for bringing it to my attention.

  96. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:42 pm

    ‘…you’re engaging in debate and sledging about something of which you understand none of the details.’

    I concur and wish to add climate change and media, his portfolios lack depth.

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 7:47 pm

    Gillard has sought to use her own gender, as there is no self respecting mid 30s male who would try the “young & naïve” crap.”

    james ashby? 🙂

    eg … The Prime Minister has questions to answer and should make a statement about the questions … we don’t know what they are but she should make a statement anyway, we are interested in her as the Prime Minister, not an incident that took place 17 years ago as a lawyer … but she still has questions to answer as a lawyer …

    Exactly TB, rubbish from 17yrs ago, are these people for real? It just goes to show that there is nothing they won’t stoop to, nothing is too lwdown or too dirty for them.

    Talking of questions to be answered in parliament, there should be some asked of abetz, michael lawler, brough, pyne – so many questions, so few answers. Abbott can’t even handle 2 mins with leigh sales, no way he’d go a round of 40mins with anyone other than rupert’s goons.

    Nice guy abbott

    …chris murphy‏@chrismurphys

    @cocococo10 I heard about ‘Bash a Poofter Day’ when he was there but assume he was not involved.

    22hCoco Lossil‏@cocococo10

    @chrismurphys Many of us in uni feminist & gay politics in mid-late 70’s terrorized by TA and his boofy mates. TA hated lesbians the most…

    …chris murphy‏@chrismurphys

    Spoke to woman beat Abbott in Uni elections.Walked up to her in corridor. Handshake?Punched wall next to her head.’Terrifying’ #auspol

    …chris murphy‏@chrismurphys

    ‘She offered him a lift home and when he went to her car Mr Abbott was waiting’.Tony grooming for his mob #auspol http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/07/24/1058853194852.html

    23 Augchris murphy‏@chrismurphys

    When I see ‘Slush Fund’ I think of the one Tony Abbott set up to destroy Pauline Hanson.Wrongly gaoled #auspol ..


    chris murphy‏@chrismurphys

    Trying to raise kids without yelling.Put on TV important white man Brandis screaming at gay Asian woman.How do I explain it? R. #auspol

    23 Augchris murphy‏@chrismurphys

    What are we teaching our children? Sen Brandis SC literally screaming at Sen Penny Wong as she addressed Parlt. Ugly,ugly…

  98. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:22 pm

    ‘BTW, egg, nice to see you finally showing you true colours …’

    I prefer to stay detached, call it as I see it and avoid polemical fights in the office.

    Joolya is a conniving infighter and tabit’s minders will attempt to keep him out of strife for one more year…so he gets to the line in front of that woman….. oops.

  99. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:34 pm

    Haws I love it when the Lefties invoke sympathy for Pauline Hanson to attack Abbott. Never mind they’d have had her strung up for her particular conservatism.

  100. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:36 pm

    Haws?? WTF?? I think that was Gawd!!

  101. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:39 pm

    Chris Murphy…. You do know he’s bestows with Allan Jones, Kittylitter? John Singleton. Orchestrated that Channel 9 Matthew Newton “I’m ill” crap?

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:27 pm

    Exactly TB, rubbish from 17yrs ago, are these people for real? It just goes to show that there is nothing they won’t stoop to, nothing is too lwdown or too dirty for them.

    For the one millionth time it is ALP people like McClellend bringing up the information.

    And then after stating bringing up stuff from 17 years ago is stupid you then post some stuff about Abbott from the 1970’s which is 35 years ago.

    Are you for real???

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:33 pm

    I’m not that one dimensional james. I do understand that people can have different views on a range of things [except perhaps rusted on lib/nat ideologues]. I would assume that newton was a client? he doesn’t have to like him to represent him does he? although, i have no idea what his opinion is of him anyway.

    I’m not going to atomatically hate someone because he represents a client that i think is a tosser, someone has to represent him. He can be alan jones lover for all i care!

    Sometimes i even agree with something you might say 🙂 mostly i don’t, but i don’t hate or dislike you for thinking differently to me, you’re allowed to!

    Never mind they’d have had her strung up for her particular conservatism…

    And she should be fought on her policies and politics.

    No, i may not have liked her or even john howard for ithat matter, but they shouldn’t have devious underhand plots and dirty tricks used against them. Abbott is just a thug in a suit, he doesn’t give respect to his opponents or fight clean, he has no honour.

    Lib/nats like mal washer and turnbull seem to be fair and decent people whether you agree with their politics or not, they don’t denigrate and attack on a personal level.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:45 pm

    For the one millionth time it is ALP people like McClellend bringing up the information.

    Well I haven’t been reading any of his statements in the media or seen him on tv bagging the pm neil. It’s been coalition supporters, spruikers and

    It seems to have been the opposition making all the noise, talking about ‘questions to be answered’ on the same day gillard has answered questions until all questions were exhausted.

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2012 9:56 pm

    Well I haven’t been reading any of his statements in the media or seen him on tv bagging the pm neil. It’s been coalition supporters, spruikers and”

    Well if McClelland did not blab about it in Parliament it may not be an issue.

    It would be interesting if it was something Howard did 17 years ago. Would you say the same things?? I think not.

    I remember Bacchus tried to trash Howard by bringing up something his father may have done in 1927.

    And i suspect Gillard did not answer any questions. It was the Canberra love media she answered questions for. That is why she gave such short notice so the people who wanted to ask questions would not be present.

    You are trying to defend a dishonest human being.

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2012 10:08 pm

    It would be interesting if it was something Howard did 17 years ago. Would you say the same things?? I think not.

    think again

    The libs keep making howard a current issue because they can’t make a public statement without resurrecting him or his policies, the messiah’s name is spruiked because abbott wants some kind of poll bounce from a howard association!

    They don’t seem to realise or accept that howard was rejected and there is no back to the future with howard.

  107. August 24, 2012 11:51 pm

    @reb .. “..Didn’t Julia once refer to Christopher Pyne as a “mincing poodle?..”

    So you don`t think there is excessive mincing at the dispatch box during question time ?

  108. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2012 7:54 am

    Well the natural totalitarians from the left are at it again

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-strategy-summed-up-in-one-word-trust/story-fn59niix-1226457773346

    Gillard had called The Australian’s editor-in-chief, Chris Mitchell, on Sunday night to find a way to end the coverage.”

    And one reason she held the Press conference

    Although the past week’s coverage had been dominated by Thomas, a multi-Walkley Award-winning investigative reporter, he was not in Canberra to ask questions and only some of those in the room had sifted through the old AWU documents.

    It does appear that it is Gillards enemies driving this issue because all the released information is coming from ALP supporters.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2012 7:56 am

    I meant to say it is Gillards enemies within the ALP driving this issue.

  110. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 10:06 am

    Hope you’re right noddy…in that case an October Revolution is still a reasonably safe bet.

  111. August 25, 2012 10:43 am

    “So you don`t think there is excessive mincing at the dispatch box during question time ?”

    If Christopher Pyne was any more camp he’d be a row of tents with a portable gas cooker.

  112. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 10:52 am

    One for TomR…….note the correction in bold at the bottom.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-24/cassidy-gillard-abbott-hours-of-maddness/4220582

    *Editor’s note: An earlier version of this article erroneously stated that The Australian had previously apologised for earlier making the same error. In fact, the previous apology concerned the newspaper’s erroneous assertion on August 29, 2011 that “Gillard shared a home in Fitzroy bought by Wilson using the embezzled funds.” ABC’s The Drum regrets the error.

  113. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 11:33 am

    TomR has scurried back to Grandma’s this morning I notice, where he knows I don’t have a right of reply.

    I wonder if he’ll have the courage to address my post at 10.52am.

    Maybe with an apology?

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 12:47 pm

    There’s another discussion to be had here: Does the overuse of the terms “sexist” or “misogynist” (also “racist”, “anti-semite”, “Nazi”, “facist”, and many others) diminish their impact, even to the point they become meaningless?

    Except when sexism and misogyny is actually being used as either a political strategy or a case of “the boys” using their entrenched power and domination to control the debates.

    I do have to make one point that I have been thinking about for a while. I feel very strongly that there is a national sexism and misogyny being played out at the moment. The angry old men are screaming and ranting hysterically, it is almost comical and farcical how “the boys” cannot tolerate any feminisation of their power and domination.

    Just out of interest, as far as I’m aware, I am the only female commenter on this blog [other women do pop in from time to time], what makes you lot feel so strongly that there is no sexism and misogyny? I am the lone voice arguing the opposite?

    You all know better?

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2012 12:54 pm

    A good piece from Peter Hartcher….

    And hartcher agrees that the Coalition is not driving this

    One of the many intriguing aspects of the slush fund scandal that was revived against Julia Gillard this week is that the opposition had almost nothing to do with it.

    In the annals of scandal-based attempts to embarrass or pressure prime ministers, this makes it as rare as a blue diamond, but nowhere near as attractive.

    The opposition was not hawking to the press a dirt file on Gillard. It did not promote the story or brief reporters on the key questions to pursue. It did not use question time, not even once, to pressure her on the matter. These are the time-honoured hallmarks of an opposition-led assault; they were missing this week.

  116. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 12:54 pm

    Kitty, I don’t see any misogyny or sexism here and for the simple reason that feminism has been successful in encouraging men to think of women as equals since the mid 70’s.

    There has been a cultural change and most men accept that.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 12:54 pm

    You all know better?

    LOL!

  118. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 12:59 pm

    fro dopey

    “the same” , is not “similar”

    Gillard even went on to detail the other claims, and you still reckon she lied

  119. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:04 pm

    I won’t even bother requesting an apology from you, cos I know you’re too obstinate to provide one

  120. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:05 pm

    Although I hasten to add that a couple of old fellows I heard about, recently retired but their wives still working, still refuse to do domestic work.

    Pathetic, but I blame the women for allowing this to continue.

  121. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:07 pm

    The angry old men are screaming and ranting hysterically

    How true AO

    JULIA Gillard is right – she will never satisfy the nuts and conspiracists lurking in the blogosphere about her suitability to be Prime Minister.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/frankly-delay-only-undermines-trust/story-e6frg75f-1226457000564

    I guess even shanana underestimated the dummy spit his paper would take

    Media’s shameful silence

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/opinion/medias-shameful-silence/story-e6frg99o-1226457713761

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:08 pm

    but I blame the women for allowing this to continue.

    grodo blames grodo for grodo 😯

  123. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:11 pm

    Kittylitter, if this AWU type of stuff involved Tony Abbott instead of Julia Gillard, the level of hysteria over it would be tenfold. He’d have been out months ago, and probably would have been booted out of his seat.

    She is the Prime Minister. She stood there for months and declared support for Craig Thomson. Is her conduct in this AWU affair which links the HSU current issues and her apparent tolerance of them within her political organisation. She even used the same defence. “I did nothing wrong”.

    She did plenty wrong. This isn’t a court of law where certain evidence is disallowed and where matters have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you truly believe that she dated this bloke for 3 years and had no idea he was collecting hundreds of thousands out of this Union? Is it reasonable to believe that she supervised the conveyencing of a property purchase and didn’t wonder why the incorporated association that she set up had funded the deposit? If all of that is reasonable then it’s also reasonable to conclude that she simply doesn’t have the peripheral awareness to lead a country.

    It’s not sexist to point out incompetence or corruption. Indeed, the sexism is in those who have refused to even take a look at the issue.

    And the lack of character of the Roxons and Pliberseks in playing the sexism card breeds sexism in and of itself. Which is disappointing.

  124. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:12 pm

    TomR, you are uniquely fkn stupid.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:17 pm

    There has been a cultural change and most men accept that.

    Show me the evidence to support that assertion.

    Would that be why our national media is dominated daily with anti female rants and femi-nazi calls from the megaphones and shock jocks. Why there is a backlash coming from religious groups, male groups etc

    Why women have their own bodies and fertility controlled by male politicians?

    Why women still do not have wage parity? Job security when pregnant?

    “most men” must be the very silent majority!

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:21 pm

    Pathetic, but I blame the women for allowing this to continue

    Were you actually serious then eg?

    A male refuses to do something, but it is the woman’s fault?

    Obviously men are still not responsible for their own actions…he must’ve been drunk eh?

    .

  127. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:21 pm

    Read it slowly and carefully snacty, and let me know if you still think this is a lie

    “The Australian newspaper republished a false and highly defamatory claim about my conduct in relation to these matters 17 years ago,” she said.

    “It is a claim about me setting up a trust fund.

    “A claim was first published by News Limited in relation to me and funds during the election campaign in 2007. On that occasion, the claim was retracted and apologised for.

    “The claim was made by Glenn Milne, a then-columnist with The Australian newspaper. Such a dim view was taken of his conduct in relation to that matter [that] his employment was terminated.

    “Despite these events, a similar claim has been recirculated by The Australian newspaper today.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-23/pm-fires-back-as-australian-issues-apology/4218092

    Carefully research the term ‘similar’, and, considering that she has just explained the previous content, how broad that term can be. It is not ‘the same’

  128. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:24 pm

    TomR, the claim for which Milne was sacked was published in 2011. It related to the living arrangements of Gillard and Wilson. That is a matter of fact and is in no way similar to setting up a Trust Fund which was the mistake buried on page 6 of Thursday’s Australian.

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:33 pm

    And the lack of character of the Roxons and Pliberseks in playing the sexism card breeds sexism in and of itself. Which is disappointing.

    Because women in parliament come out and declare what is going on, to call it out for what it is, is “playing the sexism card”

    A “lack of character” – they should just shut up and accept it?

    You have just displayed the sexism that I talk about.

    Shades of john howard’s “black armband” cultural warfare.

  130. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:34 pm

    I posted this at lunchtime yesterday…….

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/im-the-victim-of-a-sexist-smear-campaign/

    Andrew Bolt really must stop channelling me…..

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/did_gillard_see_this_cheque/

    If the Partner’s signature on the Trust Account requisitions is Julia Gillard’s, or it can be shown she knew about this cheque, then it really is game over.

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:34 pm

    sorry, i forgot to use italics or ” in quoting james in the first para.

  132. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:37 pm

    Kittylitter, because it’s fkn bullshit. And has been easily exposed as such. Abbott is surrounded by competent women. It was such a stupid card to play that it in fact insults women. The smart ones will see it for the bullshit that it is and the dumb ones may fall for it. So who was it directed at? “Dumb” women (yes, there are dumb women just as there are dumb men, that is not sexist and I shouldn’t have to point that out but for some reason I feel as though I do).

  133. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 1:38 pm

    No worries, I got it.

  134. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:06 pm

    ‘…he must’ve been drunk eh?’

    I tried to find out, but then everyone became tight lipped.

    As for your earlier questions…still no equal pay after all these years, it really is pathetic and I have no idea why its ended up like this.

    The good news is that they have found a pill for men.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:06 pm

    Abbott is surrounded by competent women.

    That’s a bit of an illogical argument james.

    That fact doesn’t make abbott not guilty of sexism and misogyny.

    He might be surrounded by women at work but he is their boss, they take orders from him and are subordinate to him. Actually, the only female who he doesn’t have power over is julia gillard and look how toxic that relationship is.

    Abbott uses the women in his family as an excuse to counter the sexism claims, just because he is surrounded by women does not make him non-sexist by association. The women could be complicit in the sexism, the females in his workplace might even be assisting him with his sexist political attacks. Abbott’s own family may be enabling his sexism by supporting it [religion and indoctrinated submission are two controls I can think of]. Not all women act in the interests of other women, many support the existing systems of heirarchy and patriarchy.

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:09 pm

    The good news is that they have found a pill for men.

    yes, but will they take it?

    It’s not them who end up pregnant!

  137. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:10 pm

    snacty, the money quote from your link to cassidy

    ” using the embezzled funds. ”

    They are all talking about the ‘funds’

    This relates them, this makes them ‘similar’.

    I mean really, she itemized them, made the ‘similar’ comment, and you think that is a lie.

    ROFL

  138. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:11 pm

    ‘yes, but will they take it?’

    Indeed they will, men don’t want unnecessary complications in their love life.

  139. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:23 pm

    The
    house
    was
    bought
    using
    the
    embezzled
    funds.

    That wasn’t what was untrue. Good God, TomR. Just stop. You’re wrong. The ABC were wrong. Even they have conceded it.

  140. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:24 pm

    That’s a bit of an illogical argument james.

    That fact doesn’t make abbott not guilty of sexism and misogyny.

    The charge was that he had difficulty dealing with competent women. That is demonstrably untrue. And plenty of competent women have since confirmed that it is untrue.

  141. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:30 pm

    ‘Why there is a backlash coming from religious groups…’

    ‘BRIDES will be promising to submit to their husbands under a new marriage vow the Anglican diocese of Sydney is expected to approve at its synod in October.

    ‘It requires the minister to ask of the bride: ”Will you honour and submit to him, as the church submits to Christ?” and for her to pledge ”to love and submit” to her husband.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/to-love-and-to-submit-a-marriage-made-in-2012-20120824-24ru7.html#ixzz24WqMw72Q

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 2:44 pm

    Indeed they will, men don’t want unnecessary complications in their love life.

    Of course there will still be unplanned pregnancies, you can’t account for the stupidity, irresponsibility and duplicity from both sexes.

    That will be something to look forward to though, women will finally be able to burn their pills! Pregnancy will be an equally shared responsibilty – although the male pill is about 20 yrs away from being commercially available I believe.

    I guess we will be in our dotage when they will be having the debate on the uptake and effectiveness of the male pill, something to look forward to 😉

    As for your earlier questions…still no equal pay after all these years, it really is pathetic and I have no idea why its ended up like this.

    I do…men!

    They control the economics, the funding, the politics etc based on views of male superiority and prejudices against women. Female wages are a reflection of how the [dominant] males view the occupations and female participation. Higher wages reflect male priorities of what is important in society eg bankers, upper management and CEO’s where you may have noticed women are under represented.

    The charge was that he had difficulty dealing with competent women.

    james, why must you try to narrow and restrict the debate down to specific words and semantics? You are doing this with tomR as well. Is this a form of control, an attempt to defend the indefensible?

    I’m not playing your little game!

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:01 pm

    The charge was that he had difficulty dealing with competent women. That is demonstrably untrue.

    How so?

    Abbott is the leader of the opposition, in terms of power and influence this position is no. 2 in the country.

    Demonstrate to me those competent females, sharing equal power with tony abbott, who are speaking out on his behalf.

  144. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:01 pm

    ‘..women will finally be able to burn their pills!’

    It reduced their interest in sex and made them fat, so the next generation will be truly liberated.

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:08 pm

    BRIDES will be promising to submit to their husbands under a new marriage vow the Anglican diocese of Sydney is expected to approve at its synod in October.

    All I can say to that eg is what is wrong with people?

    Can’t believe that the hard won gains of women over the years are threatened by this kind of stupidity and religious indoctrination.

    It reinforces my belief that religion is behind all the problems of this world.

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:23 pm

    My final thinking on the sexism issue for today is that it is not as if she is suddenly “playing the sexism card” she has been copping this for years now without complaint, it has now gone too far and it is way too nasty, a national shame.

    http://thehoopla.com.au/say-yes-prime-minister/

    and please read the comments also

    …Not when the questions have been answered and refuted on several occasions over many years and when the timing and the motives for revisiting them are nakedly political and overlaid with sexism.

    Can we go back and re-examine all the details of Tony Abbott’s pre-marital sex life? Given his strict Catholic values, is that not equally as illuminating about his “character” even 30 years on?

    What’s particularly alarming, I think, is that having said she wouldn’t dignify the comments being made even a PM was eventually hounded by the press gallery herd to respond…

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:43 pm

    What is the appropriate age a woman can claim to be “young & naive? Is it different to a male?

    I think I was well and truly past being young & naive by the time I was 22. While I continue to demonstrate foolishness on occasions, it isn’t out of naivety. It’s just out of being in possession of a strong imprudence gene

    Gillard’s excuse is just more grist for the bullsh!t mill.

    There are plenty of questions for her.
    • Are slush funds appropriate?
    • Should lawyers assist to draft Slush fund documents that do not clearly reflect the intended purpose?

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:56 pm

    Well done, KL …

    3 sets to love … I’d say … 😉 Not an ace amongst their serves and your returns were spot on … well played …

    oh … and thank you, ball boys … 😆

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 3:57 pm

    Oh, oh, ToMMy’s, here …

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 4:01 pm

    I think I was well and truly past being young & naive by the time I was 22.

    Very mature of you tomM, but another illogical and fallacial [is that a word?] argument.

    Maturity is individual and unique, people grow and develop at their own pace. As you well know, some people are immature as 80 year olds and some are very mature at 16 [an old head on young shoulders]. Intelligence does not always equate with maturity either, some highly intelligent people can have very immature behaviour and vice versa].

    I was still quite naive and immature as a 25 yo and have learned a lot over the years and with parental responsibility.

    In my experience most men, don’t seem to mature until they are in their 30’s [speaking personally and generally].

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 4:02 pm

    oh … and thank you, ball boys …

    😆

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2012 4:13 pm

    gotta go now

    …and it’s not because you just arrived tb, i’ve dilly dallied too long here and now have places to go to!

  153. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 4:52 pm

    Gillards words….again

    “A claim was first published by News Limited in relation to me and funds during the election campaign in 2007. On that occasion, the claim was retracted and apologised for.

    “The claim was made by Glenn Milne, a then-columnist with The Australian newspaper. Such a dim view was taken of his conduct in relation to that matter [that] his employment was terminated.

    You reckon

    The
    house
    was
    bought
    using
    the
    embezzled
    funds.

    That wasn’t what was untrue. Good God, TomR. Just stop. You’re wrong. The ABC were wrong. Even they have conceded it.

    Where does Gillard say that it was about a house being bought?? The ABC might not have differentiated between the claims, that has nothing to do with Gillards statement, Gillard differentiated. Yet you still reckon she lied?

    Why do you keep Making Shit Up?

    I tell you what, if you are so certain that she has lied about this (in perhaps the same way the ABC might have), you will be able to provide a statement from the aggrieved parties involved.

    Cos every interview and comment I have seen since (including comments from ltdnews journos, which I have posted here) have taken no issue with her statement. You appear to be running your own campaign with your own made up shit about houses being bought.

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2012 5:37 pm

    My “youth” spanned about 25 years, from teenage to about 40. But it wasn’t “young & naive” past early 20s.
    ————
    People no longer trust Gillard*, her political actions don’t warrant this. Her actions at Slater & Gordon are relevant because it illustrates that her questionable ethics aren’t an aberration. The behaviour is deeply ingrained.

    She didn’t disclose her conflict of interest to her employer or to her client. Ethical people do this.

    She set up a fund for objectives other than those stated. No transparency.

    (*People don’t trust Abbott either, and that’s fine with me)

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 5:40 pm

    *** … and it’s not because you just arrived tb … ***

    … would never think that, KL … I seem to drop in here less when the nonsense merry-go-round is working …

    I occasionally snoop at CW but never really fins much to comment on ther either … swings and round-a-bouts I suppose …

    … thank goodness, I too, have other things to keep me busy, rather than posting here and making, sreb, richer … 😉

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 5:42 pm

    You appear to be running your own campaign with your own made up shit about houses being bought.

    James, bugger bridges, mate, I can sell you a bridge! I’ve got one in Sydney and a smaller one in Brisbane … both similar styles … well maintained … and a steal!

    Email me – or I can email you?

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 5:45 pm

    My “youth” spanned about 25 years, from teenage to about 40. But it wasn’t “young & naive” past early 20s.

    Well, I must say, ToM, your current posts don’t reflect a developed maturity at all, I’m afraid …

    I guess its difficult to assess yourself …

  158. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 5:53 pm

    ‘guess its difficult to assess yourself …’

    This might be a universal problem.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 6:31 pm

    This might be a universal problem.

    Or a planetary gear? But you made my point, egg, thanks …

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2012 6:43 pm

    ” Well, I must say, ToM, your current posts don’t reflect a developed maturity at all, I’m afraid …

    That’s very interesting TB, because you comments certainly reflect very, very, very mature views, that is, those of an old codger.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 6:57 pm

    LOL!

    ToM, if you read my comment and then your reply, the mature “subtlety” is obvious … to a mature person … 😉

    I had have high hopes for you even now … (at my doddery old age I can afford to be patronising … especially with ageist “young” Turks like yourself … and my son — he gives me lots of practice too!)

    🙄

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2012 6:59 pm

    at my doddery old age

    … and forget to put “del” instead of “i” … I confess to WT three … not my age fault! 😆

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2012 7:17 pm

    It’s a great night for red, it is bound to produce a high number of intelligent, worldly and mature observations from me.

    Fortunately for you TB, I won’t be posting them.

  164. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2012 7:37 pm

    Fortunately for you TB, I won’t be posting them.

    Why break with tradition

  165. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 25, 2012 8:05 pm

    TomR. Milne wrote an article before the 2007 election. No problem. Gillard was “young and naive” and had had her “heart broken”. No issue.

    He then added to that article in 2011. He added that “Gillard had lived in a house with Wilson bought with embezzled funds. It HAD been bought with embezzled funds. That wasn’t the problem. The problem was that he’d said Gillard had lived in it. She hadn’t. (She only stayed Wednesday nights and weekends:) )OK? It was the living arrangements that offended.

    The Australian wrote on Thursday that Gillard had set up a Trust Fund. That was wrong. It was not a Trust Fund. It was a Slush Fund.

    When Gillard stated that The Australian had made the same defamatory allegation, she was lying. It wasn’t. It was not similar. Not similar in any way.

    You are wrong. You hadn’t read the material. You clearly still haven’t read the material. Read it, then come back to me. Julia Gillard has a loooong way to go before she gets out of this one. I guess that’s what happens when you’re arse deep in corruption.

  166. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 8:12 pm

    ‘Opposition Leader Tony Abbott yesterday tried to kick along allegations she acted unethically when she helped set up a union fund for a former boyfriend 20 years ago, despite her detailed denial. He did not raise any specific questions about Ms Gillard’s statement, but said she could not be believed on anything.

    ‘Former magazine editor Ita Buttrose yesterday called on women to object to unreasonable personal criticism of the PM. She said it was unacceptable for Ms Gillard’s body shape, eating habits, fashion and reproductive choices to be open for public scrutiny.’

    Courier Mail

  167. Political Darwinism permalink
    August 25, 2012 8:36 pm

    Looks like Labor loses the NT election. This has no implications for federal Labor, of course. 🙄

  168. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 8:46 pm

    That would be the domino effect, but joolya will say it was lost on local issues.

    For the past few days I have been saying the opposition leader has good advisers and here’s a few.

    ‘Far from finding it difficult to take advice from women in powerful positions, Tony Abbott puts women into powerful positions.

    ‘I doubt there is another senior politician who could match his record of senior staff appointments for women. In his 18-year political career, Abbott has appointed only women to the senior advisory positions of chief of staff, office manager and media adviser (up until recently). His office manager has been with him for the past 14 years and his former chief of staff was in the role for 11 years.

    ‘Abbott takes daily advice from powerful women: His wife, his chief of staff, his office manager and let’s not forget his partnership with Deputy Leader of the Opposition, Julie Bishop.’

    Kate Miranda in the Daily Telegraph

  169. el gordo permalink
    August 25, 2012 8:49 pm

    ‘Political Darwinism’

    😉

  170. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    August 26, 2012 12:50 am

    “Show me the evidence to support that assertion”

    Well you see Armchair; that goes right to the heart of the problem I have when people make the “ism” claim. There is no way to “prove” what somebody “thinks” let alone assume unless they come right out and say so. Yes, people can say things out of anger that are routinely taken by the media and pundits as a way to label somebody in order to “hurt” them (especially if they disagree with them politically) but it does not necessarily have any relevance.

    Now, you really believe that the same old “boys” who put a woman in the PM seat are sexist? How can that be? You can’t have it both ways, they either are or their not. But the use of the “ism” falls on deaf ears these days simply because it is so flipping overused without evidence. A comment is not always a personal philosophy. Ever been so angry or upset you slipped up and said something hurtful to somebody you loved?
    Women need to focus on the regions of the world where feminism is truly needed (Middle East for example); not in the West where it is an antiquated movement at best.

  171. August 26, 2012 1:57 am

    There seems to be a lot of out-dated feminism on this thread
    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/estrogen-fueled-girl-power-quack/

  172. August 26, 2012 2:15 am

    Le-Gordo “Ita Buttrose yesterday called on women to object ..”

    That won`t last long Gordo. From what I`ve seen of Ita on TV, she seems to be a rabid Mr-Rabbit fan. I suspect Ita will be calling for chaff-bags soon.

  173. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 7:49 am

    Ita is not taking political sides, its about women not being treated as objects.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/ita-buttrose-slams-sexist-criticism-of-julia-gillard-and-gina-rinehart/story-e6frf7jo-1226457255225

  174. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2012 9:27 am

    More evidence that it is ALP people turning on Gillard

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/factional-rats-in-labors-ranks-behind-smear-campaign-writes-samantha-maiden/story-e6frezz0-1226457985133

    This is just a dirty, filthy, smear by the Liberals,” the Communications Minister said.

    But everyone in the ALP knows that’s not where this grubby story begins and ends.

    And nobody knows that better than the former Victorian MP Phil Gude, now enjoying his retirement on the Mornington Peninsula.

    Seventeen years on, Gude is still keeping the secret of the Labor figure who brought him the dirt file on Julia Gillard all those years ago.

    It was information he used to publicly air the first allegations against Gillard and union official Bruce Wilson in Victorian Parliament in 1995.

    “It was brought to me by the Labor Party,” Gude confirmed this week.”

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2012 12:19 pm

    That’s true.

    The original claims were leaked by the ALP to Gude. The current round of reporting was sparked, in part, by Robert McClelland, and by the statement by the former Slater & Gordon partner. There’s probably a fair bit of backgrounding by Rudd supporters too.

    This story is more of an internal ALP get square than anything being fed by the Liberals.

    The press is just there publishing the story about another example of Gillard’s orientation to a lack of transparency, which is in the public interest.

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2012 1:22 pm

    Now, you really believe that the same old “boys” who put a woman in the PM seat are sexist? How can that be? You can’t have it both ways, they either are or their not.

    The “old boys” who put Gillard in the PM seat are the Independents Rob Oakeshott, Tony Windsor and Andrew Wilkie.

    I haven’t heard of a sexist comment from any of them.

    The press is just there publishing the story about another example of Gillard’s orientation to a lack of transparency, which is in the public interest.

    And there wasn’t much press publishing hounding of john howard, his lack of transparency and the shutting down of dissent whilst in government, let alone anything of 17 years prior to being government. The public were very interested, but got nought from the press or the government. I think “move on” was the common reply.

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2012 1:24 pm

    oops sorry about the strike-out!

    And there wasn’t much press publishing hounding of john howard, his lack of transparency and the shutting down of dissent whilst in government, let alone anything of 17 years prior to being government. The public were very interested, but got nought from the press or the government. I think “move on” was the common reply.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2012 3:06 pm

    This story is more of an internal ALP get square than anything being fed by the Liberals.

    Yes, it is, so why are you and Noddy and James so hot under the collar about … talk about wolf pack …

    The press is just there publishing the story about another example of Gillard’s orientation to a lack of transparency, which is in the public interest.

    I think most journalists are satisfied with the explanations and answers given at the Prime Ministers press conference last week …

    Before the wolf pack starts slobbering and howling, I suggest you watch this …

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3576076.htm

    The only ones left standing are pisspots like Milne … if you want to start talking credibility …

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2012 3:15 pm

    AO, Howard lost the election because he was seen as shady, constantly playing politics. He didn’t lose it on his economic record.

    Just as the shape of the economy won’t determine the popularity of this government.

    People dislike politicians who are dishonest. That’s why Howard lost. and that’s why Gillard is deeply unpopular. Gillard appears naturally inclined to prefer intrigue and secrecy to openness. That got her into trouble in the last job she had before politics, and it’s getting her into trouble now.

    …and it’s no use suggesting that she has been treated more severely because she is a woman. She has sought to use this to her advantage.

    • “Oh Kerry… How can you say that… I’m so surprised that you would ask…” (accompanied by batting of eyelashes, sideways glances at Kerry and plenty of girly blushing)
    • “I was young and naïve” …as this could ever have been used by a male. It’s an excuse for incompetence and shadiness that is unable to any male of the same age.
    • Now proper scrutiny of her past employment and competence is called “misogynist”. To provide a simple reply to her barrackers to this scrutiny. Watch this term continually get rolled out by the usual suspects.

    —————-
    TB, I have no idea whether most of the press is satisfied with her response. That’s hardly a relevant criterion. The press ignored a legitimate story for years, many will probably prefer to feign satisfaction because they gave Gillard such an easy run on this for a decade.

    The story should have come under close scrutiny as soon as Gillard used the “young & naïve” excuse.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2012 5:34 pm

    AO, Howard lost the election because he was seen as shady, constantly playing politics. He didn’t lose it on his economic record.

    You obviously have an extremely limited comprehension span … ToM …. he may not have lost on his economics record …

    … although some of us were concerned about Tip Custard losing 10 billion … pin money to LibNats I suppose … and the lack of spending on infrastructure … and that was lucky for Oz … ’cause along came the “economic tsunami” … and Tip didn’t exactly tip that … his phrase was made in hindsight!

    Unlike a certain, John McPhilbin, who predicted the GFC at least 12 months before the “experts” … I clearly remember he and I being constantly under attack for suggesting it …

    The press ignored a legitimate story for years, many will probably prefer to feign satisfaction because they gave Gillard such an easy run on this for a decade.

    First of all what do you mean by “legitimate”?

    Legally its gone (ask our student lawyer about statute of limitations …) If you mean legitimate to question … that’s been done and dusted – last week …

    I somehow suspect you haven’t watched my link to this morning’s Insiders (or not bothered to comprehend its meaning) … if you mean legitimate to be repititous, using nonsense phrases like – “young and naive” … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  181. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 5:35 pm

    I see your Cassidy and raise you Bolt…

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:04 pm

    and the lack of spending on infrastructure

    This was a constant complaint by ALP supporters of the Howard govt. So I assume by this statement that the previous Federal govt (ie. Hawke/Keating) spent lots on infrastructure and then along comes Howard and does not spend as much. Is this true??? I have seen enough false statements by ALP supporters on the Howard govt not to believe anything they say unless proven otherwise.

    In fact Howard did spend on infrastructure

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1126584.htm

    MARK COLVIN: The Federal Government calls it nation building, the Opposition says it’s pork-barrelling.

    Today the Acting Prime Minister, John Anderson, outlined all the road and rail projects the Government intends to fund over the next five years to meet Australia’s long-term transport challenges.

    Labor says the $12-billion Auslink land transport investment plan is a massive pork-barrelling exercise … says it’s aimed at maximising the Coalition’s re-election chances.

    The Government says that’s nonsense, and insists it’s a quality national infrastructure proposal – the equivalent of two Snowy Mountains Schemes.

    Alexandra Kirk reports from Canberra.

    ALEXANDRA KIRK: John Anderson has unveiled his big road and rail plan, more than two years in the making.”

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:29 pm

    I see your Cassidy and raise you Bolt…

    I hope you’ve got a Derringer up yer sleeve … 🙄

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have seen enough false statements by ALP supporters on the Howard govt not to believe anything they say unless proven otherwise.

    Who gives a fuck what you believe, Noddy … but I’ll play your game – it’s Sunday night and I’m happily retired …

    the Opposition says it’s pork-barrelling.

    And it was … a particular hospital in Taswegia was given a $1 million grant … no other hospitals got one … I have other stupid examples but stupid, is as stupid does, so it’ll be a wasted effort …

    Labor says the $12-billion Auslink land transport investment plan is a massive pork-barrelling exercise … says it’s aimed at maximising the Coalition’s re-election chances.

    And it was … so what?

    the equivalent of two Snowy Mountains Schemes.

    No modern government could match the Snowy Mountains Scheme for engineering, foresight and outcome … The Greens would halt them in their tracks (so to speak 😉 )

    John Anderson has unveiled his big road and rail plan, more than two years in the making

    Yeah! Talk is so cheap … JOHN HOWARD & THE PRIVATE SCHOOL BULLIES DIDN’T CONSTRUCT ANY OF THEIR TALK!

    Typical LibNat scam … blame an ALP government for building sea/airports, funding roads, rail systems, education, training, health systems, aged care … and along come the LibNats and tear it all down to user pays and no infrastructure in public service (sackings left, right and centre) … take the kudos for ALP innovation and and completed infrastructure and then say, well they can’t handle the economy …the LibNats let it run down over the next decade … lose power and the ALP steps up … and the cycle begins again!

    What fkn hypocrisy!

    Dontcha luv Sunday nights? 😛

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:34 pm

    I see your Cassidy and raise you Bolt…

    Before I go, egg, you relly don’t think that Bolt has any credence whatsoever, do you? Especially against FOUR pretty rational, ACTUAL journalsts on INSIDERS … I mean that’s like seeing me with five cents with a pot of $50 FFS … and raising me another five cents …

    Come to think about it you’d be laughed out of the game … 😆

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:36 pm

    the Opposition says it’s pork-barrelling.

    And it was

    No. What they were talking about was upgrading the Pacific Highway for example. Labor called it Pork Barrelling because it went through National Part seats. Hard to upgrade a major interstate highway without it going through some Coalition seats.

    And you did not answer the question. Did the Howard govt spend less on infrastructure than the Hawke/Keating govt???

    My understanding is that infrastructure was mainly a State responsibility.

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:45 pm

    My understanding is that infrastructure was mainly a State responsibility.

    Really? Try, “with Federal support”, … your ignorance is outstanding!

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:52 pm

    Well my understanding is that infrastructure was mainly a State responsibility until the Howard govt came along. But I could be wrong.

    But you did not answer the question. Did the Howard govt spend less on infrastructure than the Hawke/Keating govt??

    If I am to believe your statement, Howard must have spent less than Hawke/Keating otherwise why say that Howard did not spend on infrastructure???

  188. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 6:53 pm

    Andrew Bolt is a journalist of the old school…

    ‘Born to newly-arrived Dutch migrants, Bolt spent his childhood in remote rural areas such as Tarcoola, South Australia, while his father worked as a schoolteacher and principal. After completing secondary school, Bolt travelled and worked overseas before returning to Australia and starting an Arts degree at the University of Adelaide.

    ‘After “one of the worst years of [his] life” he left university to take up a cadetship at The Age, a Melbourne broadsheet newspaper. He worked for The Age in various roles, including as a sports writer, prior to joining The Herald, which in 1990 merged with The Sun News-Pictorial to form the Herald Sun.

    ‘His time as a reporter included a stint as the newspaper’s Asia correspondent, based first in Hong Kong and later in Bangkok.

    ‘Bolt also worked for the Hawke Government on two election campaigns.’

    Source wiki

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2012 7:17 pm

    Did the Howard govt spend less on infrastructure than the Hawke/Keating govt??

    Noddy, you just never get it … it’s not about how much it’s about how much for the present infrastructure needs … there is also a constant rise in the value of the dollar and what it can buy … why DO I bother .. Noddy, I do not give a fuck …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Andrew Bolt is a journalist of the old school…

    WGAF! What does that mean … he’s a DH?

    And the rest of your waffle is … well, waffle …

  190. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2012 7:22 pm

    It’s funny that TB expects us to drop the issue because David Marr sez so.

    Again, I’ll make my own judgement. Which partner signed the trust deposit and cheque on the house purchase?

  191. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 7:25 pm

    Well…he is a journalist and you can see at a glance why he thinks like he does.

    More importantly, Assange may lose the moral high ground very soon.

    ‘It seems an unremarkable image: a group of friends smiling broadly. But this is the photograph Julian Assange hopes will clear his name.

    ‘The face of the woman on the left has been obscured for legal reasons.
    For although she is seen beaming, she would later tell police that 48 hours before the picture was taken, the WikiLeaks founder pinned her down in her flat and sexually assaulted her.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193641/Is-photo-clear-Assange-Grinning-meal-meatballs-schnapps-WikiLeaks-boss-woman-says-sexually-assaulted-48-hours-earlier.html#ixzz24dtYXLVP

  192. August 26, 2012 7:29 pm

    Le-Gordo, RE your Ita, Joolya + Gina Hun-Link

    That post is more about promoting Ita than any substantial feminism view or defending Gina + Joolya.
    Ita`s whole career has been telling women how to act, think + fuck.

  193. August 26, 2012 7:50 pm

    Le-Gordo, your Assange dailymail Link sux too. Do better.

  194. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 8:46 pm

    I will try to do better.

  195. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 8:51 pm

    ‘The 34-member Organisation of American States declared “solidarity and support” for Ecuador on Friday, rejecting “any attempt that might put at risk the inviolability of the premises of diplomatic missions”.

    ‘Correa added: “Britain supported Augusto Pinochet unconditionally.

    “And they let him go, they didn’t extradite him on humanitarian grounds, whereas they want to extradite Julian Assange for not using a condom, for the love of God.

    “These are grave contradictions.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/correa-says-assange-actions-not-a-crime-20120826-24u57.html#ixzz24eFi2L7S

  196. August 27, 2012 9:37 am

    For TomR……

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/how_gillard_tricked_the_abc_and_age_and_was_forgiven/

    In short, Gillard lied. Again. And she knew she was doing it too.

  197. August 27, 2012 10:02 am

    Gillard was right – nothing she can say will appease Pickering, Bolt and the rest of the lunatic fringe. She stood up to an intensive cross-examination by the best journos in the country, blasting them out of the park until they exhausted themselves. Meanwhile, that dissembling dope, Abbot, couldn’t go 5 minutes with Leigh Sales without making a fool of himself.

    The country now has a clear choice. A PM who delivers important and increasingly popular policies or a nincompoop troglodyte. Meanwhile, this place is overrun by Abbott’s chauvinistas spouting nonsense at every turn and destroying all possibility of rational discourse.

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 10:25 am

    When choosing between concealment and transparency, Gillard always chooses the former. Her history demonstrates that she prefers secrecy and intrigue, she will deliberately misrepresent her own actions.

    Fundamentally Gillard lacks the honesty gene, but she does have an excess of the mean spirited one.

    She got an easy run at the press conference, and should try a half hour interview on her actions at Slater & Gordon by Ulhmann or someone willing to grill her.

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2012 10:36 am

    I am wondering did Gillard make an announcement that there would be time to ask questions about her time at Slater and Gordon??

    From what I have seen there was an announcement that there would be a press conference about the new refugee policy, that is why Bowen was present.

    The Canberra Press gallery is very friendly to Labor. They usually ask questions like, how can we help you to win the next election. If she made no announcement this meant that the journo’s who new most about the issue would not be present.

  200. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 10:36 am

    The small pig talks like a cafe dweller.

  201. August 27, 2012 11:20 am

    “She got an easy run at the press conference”

    “The Canberra Press gallery is very friendly to Labor. They usually ask questions like, how can we help you to win the next election. If she made no announcement this meant that the journo’s who new most about the issue would not be present.”

    Clearly there is nothing Gillard could do or say that would satisfy the rabble. Even if she appeared before the Spanish Inquisition or was waterboarded by the CIA, it wouldn’t be enough unless the “right” answers were extracted.

    I am fond of the odd latte, EG. I must say it is much nicer to enjoy one at a civilised establishment rather than having it served in a grabage dump.

  202. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 11:23 am

    ‘…rather than having it served in a garbage dump.’

    guffaw

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 11:37 am

    “civilised establishment” purveyors of malicious, uninformed gossip

  204. August 27, 2012 11:40 am

    Even if she appeared before the Spanish Inquisition or was waterboarded by the CIA, it wouldn’t be enough unless the “right” answers were extracted.

    She probably doesn’t need to do either of those things. But giving notice that she would be taking questions on the subject might be more transparent. Not lying about the precipitating facter in finally answering questions (and in doing so threatening the Press Gallery) might help also.

  205. August 27, 2012 12:01 pm

    Sigh …… Some people are never satisfied.

  206. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 12:08 pm

    It remains a robust (not necessarily civilised) environment at the Trash…and the staff are more than happy to take any comments seriously…

  207. August 27, 2012 12:34 pm

    “It remains a robust (not necessarily civilised) environment at the Trash…”

    Funnily enough I hadn’t considered a troupe of chattering monkeys to be “robust”.

    The current discussion of the Gillard press conference is typical. On any view she deep-sixed the accusations in a very convincing manner. Most people see this except the Gillard haters who have the magnifying glass out desperately parsing every word she said, implying further evidence of wrong-doing. The fact is that there never was a smoking gun in all of this. The whole process has backfired. Now the public and, importantly, caucus see her strength and resilience. Yet in this intellectual backwater the Zombies are out, making complex arguments that don’t lead to anywhere. Around and around they go and this is “robust” debate?

  208. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 12:43 pm

    ‘importantly, caucus see her strength and resilience.’

    They recognise a bounce in the polls, but are probably thinking they are still on a hiding to nuthin’…

  209. JAWS permalink
    August 27, 2012 1:07 pm

    “……….The country now has a clear choice. A PM who delivers important and increasingly popular policies……….”

    “Giggle”

    An unfunded Wishlist more like it.

    How’s that Surplus looking ?

  210. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 1:16 pm

    ‘…the Gillard haters who have the magnifying glass out desperately parsing every word she said, implying further evidence of wrong-doing.’

    Its politics and the PMs early years deserve a closer look.

    http://www.fli.org.au/wp-content/uploads/Julia.pdf

  211. August 27, 2012 1:36 pm

    It really is easy to see how Union corruption has become so widespread and entrenched.

    With the utter lack of interest from parts of the media and the ALP barrackers…….

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2012 1:50 pm

    …The Canberra Press gallery is very friendly to Labor. They usually ask questions like, how can we help you to win the next election. If she made no announcement this meant that the journo’s who new most about the issue would not be present…”

    “…Fundamentally Gillard lacks the honesty gene, but she does have an excess of the mean spirited one.

    She got an easy run at the press conference, and should try a half hour interview on her actions at Slater & Gordon by Ulhmann or someone willing to grill her…”

    oh, so she ambushed the press gallery for an hour, very quaint! That’s right up there with the best of the conspiracy theories. Surely the ‘right’ journos had time to stroll out from their long lunch or tony abbott’s latest doorstop stunt in an hour. Perhaps she needed to make an appointment with these importants, busy as they are with jotting down opposition talking points, whilst overlooking every idiocy uttered by abbott.

    I guess since the polls have taken a hit for abbott, we won’t see so much of him and his particular brand of mean spiritedness. Expect to see the others come out from under tony’s coat tails to mount the attack and take the heat off toxic tony. They are usually kept muzzled so that tony can have all the attention and supposed ‘glory’ on him, as well as basically being incompetent and loony, but it’s time to do their bit for tony’s cause now.

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2012 1:54 pm

    oops, must proofread, sorry

    Oh, so she ambushed the press gallery for an hour, very quaint! That’s right up there with the best of the conspiracy theories. Surely the ‘right’ journos had time to stroll out from their long lunch or tony abbott’s latest doorstop stunt in an hour. Perhaps she needed to make an appointment with these importants, busy as they are with jotting down opposition talking points, whilst overlooking every idiocy uttered by abbott.

    I guess since the polls have taken a hit for abbott, we won’t see so much of him and his particular brand of mean spiritedness. Expect to see the others come out from under tony’s coat tails to mount the attack and take the heat off toxic tony. They are usually kept muzzled so that tony can have all the attention and supposed ‘glory’ on him, as well as basically being incompetent and loony, but it’s time to do their bit for tony’s cause now.

  214. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 1:59 pm

    ‘oh, so she ambushed the press gallery for an hour, very quaint!’

    Strategically she is bright and I think the PM did ambush them…cunning gained from years of infighting.

  215. August 27, 2012 2:11 pm

    The Press Conference was called to discuss the asylum seeker issue. She tacked the questions on at the end. As most journos were prepared for an asylum seeker discussion, they were not game to ask difficult questions regarding the Union stuff. Imagine what would have happened if they had asked a question based on a falsehood?

    Eg, what if they had asked something about her receiving money? She have shot them down in hysterical rage. Usually you, as a journo, would research the topic prior to going to such a conference. They weren’t afforded that opportunity.

    It was an effective performance by the PM, as I have said before. But spare us the transparency angle. It’s not transparent if it’s a surprise.

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 2:13 pm

    It’s interesting that Gillard said News Ltd had apologised for a story when they didn’t.

    The evidence of Gillard’s habitual lying continues to mount. It’s quite incredible that she would deliberately lie in this matter and get away with it.

    It’s about the same as Craig Thomson’s claim that he “settled” with Fairfax, when he surrendered in the face of the evidence.

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2012 2:39 pm

    Surely the ‘right’ journos had time to stroll out from their long lunch

    I doubt they were even in Canberra.

    I would suspect most journo’s do not spend most of their time in Canberra. Andrew Bolt is in Melbourne and would have loved to have been there to ask questions.

  218. August 27, 2012 2:50 pm

    “Andrew Bolt is in Melbourne and would have loved to have been there to ask questions.”

    All hail the Blessed Andrew, the saviour of the nation. Where would all the numbskulls be without that offensive prat? He is the puppet-master of a million addled minds.

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 3:04 pm

    MiniPiglo makes a great contribution, providing the type of comment that gets people banned at the Closed Society and Malicious Gossiping Club.

  220. August 27, 2012 3:49 pm

    Hardly.

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2012 3:57 pm

    Shows you how deceitful Gillard is. She holds a press conference when she knew that anybody with any knowledge on the topic would not be present.

    I suspect she has behaved this way all her life. I also suspect she was asked to leave Slater and Gordon because of her behaviour.

  222. JAWS permalink
    August 27, 2012 4:03 pm

    “….Usually you, as a journo, would research the topic prior to going to such a conference. They weren’t afforded that opportunity.”

    You can bet Hedley Thomas from The Australian wasn’t there.

    And if she wanted real transparency she would have brought along Robert McLelland to support her. …………………LOL

    And if the Dingbat Lefties want to talk transparency why didn’t Nicola Roxon show up too. After all the Press had to dig up that she had a bit part as well.

  223. August 27, 2012 4:03 pm

    “I suspect she has behaved this way all her life. I also suspect she was asked to leave Slater and Gordon because of her behaviour.”

    More cheap shots. Not even the suspicion of logic in those accusations.

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 4:10 pm

    Of course she was encouraged/asked to leave, she had become a burden. Her incompetence (or process ignorance) and ethics had damaged the Slater & Gordon brand.

    They considered dismissing her but “accepted her resignation without discussion”.

    That’s a euphemism for “don’t let the door hit you’re a**e on the way out”.

    Gillard screwed up the last job she had outside politics, and she’s showing the same honesty and competence in her current one.

  225. August 27, 2012 4:10 pm

    Logic says that if an interview is held with the senior partners and said interview is recorded then you are looking at packing up your desk.

    Logic also says that if you physically complete a form then you are doing more than giving advice on it.

    Logic further says that if a cheque passes through a legal firm’s Trust Account, the responsible partner would understand why that entity was writing that cheque.

    Experience says that there is a heck of a lot of evasion going on with the PM (that experience gained through watching Craig Thomson at it).

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 4:13 pm

    “your a**e”

    (grammar police alert)

  227. JAWS permalink
    August 27, 2012 4:15 pm

    Logic also says that “Young and Naive” individuals are unlikely to make Partner in any Professional Practice

  228. August 27, 2012 4:35 pm

    I did watch The Insiders on the weekend. It amazed me that David Marr, who like Kittylitter was somehow able to conclude that the Government had deliberately sabotaged one of the SIEV vessels and the Defence had watched it sink, like Kittylitter, sees absolutely nothing in the sequence of events surrounding Gillard’s forced resignation from Slater and Gordon.

  229. August 27, 2012 4:50 pm

    Even Bolt doesn’t think that Gillard ‘profited’ from the ‘deal’.

    Perhaps y’all may care to stop & ponder the implications of that?

  230. August 27, 2012 4:51 pm

    Any comments from Kneel or the other Abbotlicker about Crazy Tone’s meltdown on the 730 Report last week? Nup? …didn’t think so.

  231. August 27, 2012 4:54 pm

    Logic says that tragic Gillardhaterz will assimilate just about any self affirming piece of dross thrown her way. Get 2 or more together on a blog thread & you have confirmation bias, logically.

  232. August 27, 2012 6:08 pm

    I`m enjoying Le-Gordo`s coffee banter with his new friend.
    Very entertaining. LOL

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:09 pm

    Logic …. mmmmm … loosely used term on this thread, methinks …

    I’ve noticed an absence of “discussion” and/or “revelations” from any of the “mainstream” journos … all that’s left now is the whimpering of the LibNit rat pack argueing over the bones …

    ============================

    Now the real stories of the week are the resurrections of WorkChoices and individual contracts (welcome to the 51st state) and Johnny Howard agreeing with, Wayne Swan and Juia Gillard, that the economy and unemployment are very good …

    … add to that, according to, Tony Abbott, the Carbon Tax Scare Campaign is slowly fizzling and not a big scary monster and I can see why the rat pack want to hang around pissin’ in the wind and mulling over the noythingnesses of 17 years ago … rather than real issues …

    … if you really want to argue credibility … one “word” WORKCHOICES … the most ironic misnomer ever thought up …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Queensland’s regurgitated JBP, NoddyNewman, has a plunging dissatisfaction rating from 19% to 49% … in how many months?

    Now he’s organising secret meetings (two days) … until the press found him …

  234. August 27, 2012 6:11 pm

    “Get 2 or more together on a blog thread & you have confirmation bias, logically.”

    Or a confederacy of dunces.

  235. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:12 pm

    Unlike you not to pick nuance, Toilet. I can guarantee Bolt thinks she at least knew it was going on.

  236. August 27, 2012 6:17 pm

    I Heard on TV .. Former Prime`Meddler John-W Howard is urging Mr-Rabbit to re-establish work-NO-choices as part of team Bunnies policy platform. ..

    I suspect Mr-Rabbit has just lost the next election.

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:23 pm

    Unlike you not to pick nuance …

    So fkn funny! A couple of nights ago you didn’t know what NVC was … 😆

  238. August 27, 2012 6:36 pm

    I know, snacty. All I meant was even Bolt can see that the outrage & actual evidence of ‘wrongdoing’ is trumped up. To his (minimal…I can’t bring myself to give him much) credit, he clarifies this.
    To me, that implies that it’s not the great knife at Gillard’s throat that plenty wish it was.

    Let’s face it, if Bolt thought he could add to the mire he’d be in there with bells on.

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:41 pm

    Andrew Bolt is in Melbourne and would have loved to have been there to ask questions

    Since when does he do any legwork and appear in the press gallery? hehe, since when has he been a journalist for that matter? Muckraking and bigotry is not journalism, neither is opinion.

    Wow, gillard in her hour long presser:

    “will the misogynists and the nutjobs on the internet continue to circulate them, yes they will”

    and you lot have, you just can’t help yourselves can you?

    Funny how john howard after being lauded to the heavens these last couple of years and praised every time the opposition made an announcement is suddenly persona non grata. So “three pm’s ago” and irrelevant since he spilled his guts on “bring back worstchoices”

    “…lover lover lover…

    Yeah, but before I get to going, I’ve got to say
    I know you used to love me but that was yesterday
    And the truth, I won’t fight it
    When the love starts burning,
    you got to do what’s right

    Woh oh, lover, lover, lover
    You don’t treat me no good, no more
    Woh oh, woh oh, lover, lover, lover
    You don’t treat me no good no more…”

    I just wish they could make up their minds, do they love john howard or not, just last week he was the messiah and the architect of all good liberal thinking. Abbott is such a fickle lover, poor johnny won’t know whether he’s coming or going with the libber fibbers 😆

  240. August 27, 2012 6:42 pm

    “Or a confederacy of dunces.”

    I’m curious, do you consider everyone who comments here to be a dunce?

    Also, prior to your career as an amalgamation of the questionable triumvirate, were you perchance named after a poxy pop group from the 70’s who had a litany of hits with their vomit inducing bubblegum music?

    Just askin’ 😉

    I may be mistaking you for observa.

  241. JAWS permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:42 pm

    “I suspect Mr-Rabbit has just lost the next election.”

    LOL……………………you wish

    Abbott has already ruled out a return to Workchoices. He knows what happens to scum like Gillard when they break major election promises.

    He wont make the same mistake.

    And dont start rejoicing in the slight poll bump. Most domestic households are yet to receive their Carbon Tax Power Bills.

    And dont forget Abbott will be reminding voters next year that the Carbon Tax has yet to begin on road fuel.

    The funniest part of your statement is the assumption that a totally incompetent government has suddenly found competence.

    Hows that Surplus looking ?

    LOL

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:47 pm

    The Libber Fibbers © Copyright KL, 2012 …

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:54 pm

    Most domestic households are yet to receive their Carbon Tax Power Bills.

    Well, using LibNit terminology (so you can understand) … logic says … wrong …

    In a speech to the Tasmanian state council of the Liberal Party in Launceston yesterday, Mr Abbott said anyone who thought he was running a scare campaign should look at long-term modelling about the carbon tax.

    ”Yes, the initial impact of the carbon tax may not be absolutely catastrophic,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-admits-carbon-tax-not-a-catastrophe-20120825-24t62.html#ixzz24jc7jqDw

    The funniest part of your statement is the assumption that a totally incompetent government has suddenly found competence.

    And yet I’ve never seen a post from the RatPack here that actually trashes the ALP competence … on its “logically” perceived integrity …

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:56 pm

    The funniest part of your statement is the assumption that a totally incompetent government has suddenly found competence.

    And yet I’ve never seen a post from the RatPack here that actually trashes the ALP competence … on its “logically” perceived integrity …

    Now my editing competence may be questioned … 😛

  245. August 27, 2012 6:56 pm

    I think the ALP is still in line for a historic belting.

    Abbott would have to fall into abject stupidity & run so hard on SlaveNonchoices Mk2 everyday between now & the polls to make people forget about why they can’t stomach the spin & backroom deviations of the ALP.
    The man is loathsome, but stupid he ain’t.

    All he has to do for a walk up victory is keep his erratic mouth shut & hide his unsavoury, archaic worldview. Every now & again he lapses & reminds the punters. Also, he should never ever agree to another unscripted interrogation on the 730 Report (guffaw).

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2012 6:57 pm

    …like Kittylitter, sees absolutely nothing in the sequence of events surrounding Gillard’s forced resignation from Slater and Gordon…

    Too long ago for me, i’m bored with a 17 year ago, non event, she wasn’t even in parliament then so is of no interest to current events, policies or performance. It’s yet another another liberal party character assassination attempt.

    Couldn’t care less.

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:01 pm

    Abbott would have to fall into abject stupidity …

    mate, did you see the twit with Leigh Sales on 7:30 … the man really IS a fkn moron … if he ever became PM the rest of the world would piss ’emseves laughing at all of US for electing the dopey prick!

    Then I read the rest of you post … 😆

    Maybe you should, HD! 😛

  248. James of North Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:04 pm

    Except, Kittylitter, the money continues to be rotted in the hundreds of thousands and those in power now (who were “involved” in the rorting back then) say “he’s done nothing wrong, nothing to see here, it’s not a story”.

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:11 pm

    I see, James, is attempting a Vulcan mind meld … clever …

  250. August 27, 2012 7:12 pm

    Bolt did a rearguard defence of Abbott’s erm, misstep, on the 730 Report; as is his duty as a loyal polemicist, apologist, enabler & disseminator.
    Hilarious stuff.

    Apparently Tony “Don’t ask me for unscripted answers that can’t be covered by 3 word slogans” Abbott got picked on by the nasty ABC.
    Instantly forgotten, by Bolt & his winged monkeys, is the applause they gave the 730 Report when whatisname tore strips off of Bob Brown.

    Confirmation bias. None so blind.

  251. August 27, 2012 7:13 pm

    I HATE fkn Star Trek. Sooooo lame.

  252. August 27, 2012 7:16 pm

    @Jaws .. “dont start rejoicing in the slight poll bump.”

    the noise-polls are largely valueless, along with so-called poll-observers, the only `pattern` is both Mr-Rabbit + Joolya are dis-liked, 60% dis-like rating for BOTH since 2010 national poll

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:16 pm

    … loyal polemicist, apologist, enabler & disseminator

    Cold you explain that please, I’m a pensioner and I just giggled all over my keyboard !!! 😛

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I HATE fkn Star Trek. Sooooo lame.

    Hate totell you this … old son … WRONG FKN THREAD! LOL!

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:19 pm

    WRONG FKN THREAD! LOL!

    Apologies, HD, ’twere me … I thought I’d done the Mindmeld there not here … fits anywhere on this fkn website!

    Fk its hard work here sometimes …

  255. August 27, 2012 7:26 pm

    “Cold you explain that please, I’m a pensioner…”

    Loyal- to the Libnats, because anything else would be allegiance with the despicable leftists, who we know are ultimately responsible for the entirety of Earth’s woes.

    Enabler- because the horde of (mostly geriatric) arseclowns with a bent for rightard conservative ignorance take their very cues from him. Most of his (now shrunken) threads have at least one of them commenting that they don’t/won’t watch the ‘mainstream leftist meeja’ anymore & prefer to get all of their news & opinion from Saint Andrew. How very balanced! 😯

    Disseminator- because his blog is a clearing house of rightwing garbage. A node for the single minded to goto & find their recycled FoxtardNews memes, direct from the US (when it isn’t straight from Quadrant or Menzies House).

    * Maybe you need a phone with the big, easy to see buttons. One touch ambulance in an emergnecy! joking

  256. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:26 pm

    ‘Fk its hard work here sometimes …’

    Good thing yer retired and work pro bono for this blog…or yer would be lookin’ fer another job.

  257. August 27, 2012 7:29 pm

    No need to apologise, teebee. 😉

    We’re all friends here, digital acquaintances, ships passing in the night, warriors against the rightard hubris know each other! 🙂

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:41 pm

    * Maybe you need a phone with the big, easy to see buttons. One touch ambulance in an emergnecy! joking

    LOL! D’ja reckon!

    Seriously, being “a pensioner” is a hard life for some (and I know some) imagine living on $28,000 as a couple! (Before 1992 – no compulsory super – the first 3% was a trade-off with a pay rise … and employers still say they pay for super! Whinging dicks)

    … but I reckon if any pensioners read my posts I’d get a giggle … its your lot wot’s got all serious and lost the ability to LAUGH … life’s so short … we have a new saying in our house … in the scheme of things … is it important …

    I’ve been called “grumpy” here …. because I call people out … how do I know? Two kids in their 40’s and five grandkids – 21, 18, 14, 11, 9 …

    I’m one of the lucky pensioners … just the occasional needle (anywhere in my body) and I just say, fuck you! (a Digger’s phrase!)

    If anyone thinks Tony Abbott is a person to represent Australia on the World Stage then they have NEVER been overseas and they do not understand what MY country IS!

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:47 pm

    TB, I’ve travelled to more countries and more often that anyone I think I’ve met, and I find Gillard representing Australia overseas humiliating and cringeworthy.

  260. August 27, 2012 7:48 pm

    I know how to laugh, TB. It’s the only way to be.

    Life is made up of so many facets we can’t control. You’ve gotta have a sense of the absurd. Being overly serious & easily upset guarantees that you’re probably going to spend an inordinate amount of time being outraged, because things rarely follow an individual’s cript of ideals.

    Stress less, live longer. That’s my aspirational creed.

    Also, ageist mockery aside, I get along with those younger, older & of a like age to me; & all ages in between. It depends entirely upon the individual. I can find common ground with most people, even the most unlikely. What I don’t like is airs of superiority or arrogance. The naked kind, not the kind hidden in humour.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:50 pm

    … or yer would be lookin’ fer another job.

    Mmmm … Ya see I was trained to spot anger, clothed in simpleness, egg … a clever ploy (if you haven’t already, I suggest, The Game of Thrones, to excite … ) … maybe you need to have a word with Jaaaames … you seem to get upset whe I chastise your friend …

    Do you understand … NVCs … it can be in spoken or written communication … ?

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:54 pm

    I get along with those younger, older & of a like age to me; & all ages in between. </I.

    And I believe that … because I like to think I do …

  263. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 7:56 pm

    ‘Do you understand … NVCs … it can be in spoken or written communication … ?’

    Ah no, speaking as one pensioner to another, could you elaborate?

  264. August 27, 2012 8:00 pm

    Hopefully you’ve persevered with GoT, TB, into A Clash of Kings & A Storm of Swords, where the real intrigue starts to unfold.

    I don’t want to poison the experience by going on about it. cough, the Red Wedding, cough [don’t google if you don’t recognise it.] MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:18 pm

    Every now & again he lapses & reminds the punters.

    Yeah, when he has to give more than a three word slogan his basic laziness in attention to detail and homework shows. I bet “needs to apply himself” was written on his school reports 🙂 Perhaps he could do a little less running, swiming, cycling, fish gutting, hammering things, driving things, stapling things, conveyor belting things and a little more reading.

    Also, he should never ever agree to another unscripted interrogation on the 730 Report (guffaw).

    Death stare tony won’t be seen anywhere near leigh sales pre election, wonder if the entire ABC will be on his banned list for having the unmitigated gall to check facts and ask questions, it’s not as if he’s julia gillard you know.

  266. Spell it out permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:18 pm

    Acronyms are annoying. 😯

  267. August 27, 2012 8:23 pm

    “fish gutting, hammering things, driving things, stapling things, conveyor belting things”

    Abbott would make a really shit production worker. I can speak with authority on this.

    He’d be despised & get hazed daily.

  268. Ginger permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:27 pm

    Hah! toiletminorpissigloo is a bloodnut ranga bluey redhead.

  269. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:27 pm

    ‘the unmitigated gall to check facts and ask questions’

    I missed the interview but gained the impression that Leigh was showing bias….the sort you see down at the cafe who hate the monk. It was written all over her face.

    Tabit kept his cool, but failed to shine.

  270. August 27, 2012 8:32 pm

    “Hah! toiletminorpissigloo is a bloodnut ranga bluey redhead.”

    Except, I’m not!

    Born blonde, now dark, depending upon how often I get out in the ocean/sun. Has been shaved for over 15 yrs anyway, so colour is negligible, with the occasional hawk for the sake of breaking up the monotiny of shaving.
    With a dark goatbeard in deference to my infernal master.

  271. August 27, 2012 8:34 pm

    Tabit fell all over himself & looked like the disingenuous obfuscator that he most certainly is!

    You gotta stop taking Bolt’s rearguard interpretations on board.

    Only the rusted-ons couldn’t tell that Abbott floundered when pressed.

    They should all be pressed & interrupted when they start madly spinning.

  272. Gingeminge permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:45 pm

    ‘Hah! toiletminorpissigloo is a bloodnut ranga bluey redhead.’

    I should add, not that there’s anything wrong with that. 😉

  273. August 27, 2012 8:47 pm

    @armchair .. “wonder if the entire ABC will be on his banned list”

    Mr-Rabbit will always be available for `cotton-wool` interviews with our Chris-Toolman, the rest of the news-crew will be avoided. Same as 2010.

  274. August 27, 2012 8:49 pm

    monotiny…d’oh!

  275. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:52 pm

    ‘Only the rusted-ons couldn’t tell that Abbott floundered when pressed.’

    Yeah, I heard he was caught short…I blame his minders.

  276. August 27, 2012 8:56 pm

    Le Gordo .. “I missed the interview but gained” .. NOTHING my friend.
    dribble

  277. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2012 8:56 pm

    lol

    snacty uses bolt as proof his accusation is correct.

    Lets not look into the fact that this is the same bolt who so recently was exposed in the High Court for not being very good at understanding English. He even walked out of that event with the judge very specifically telling him that htis decision does not mean that he is not allowed to discuss the sunject at all, and proceeds to cry about his ‘freedom of speech.

    The same dolt who just the other day asked Did Gillard see this cheque?, only to realise, days later, that it really WAS a stupid question, which he acknowledges at the bottom of the post, but who cares, there are new outrages (apparently, Insiders actually examined tabot.

    Considering in your dolt link, the Age article specifically said that the previous articles were withdrawn because Gillard “had established a trust fund”, and yet Gillard, in her statement, clearly said that the previous Milne articles were not specifically about that, but merely ” in relation to me and funds“, and then went on to say ” a similar claim has been recirculated by the Australian newspaper today.” then it is obvious that dolt is having another of his spectacular interpretations of statements by assiduosly not acknowledging the COMPLETE statement. It is also not unsurprising that his lack of comprehension is mirrored in yours.

    It is a sad state of affairs though, that so many ‘journalists’ have made such a simple mistake, because Gillards words herself are proof enough that she was not talking of the ‘same’ charge, but of ‘similar’ charges. But then, that is the “Hate Media” for you, living off spoon fed press releases for so long, and never bothering to try and analyse what exactly is being said, simply going for the sound bite and gotcha.

    snacty using bolt for proof.

    ROFL

  278. August 27, 2012 9:02 pm

    @dunny .. “would make a really shit production worker” .. “hazed-daily”

    and a wardrobe full of fluro vests wouldn`t save him from being run over by the fork-lift

  279. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 9:10 pm

    I just saw the interview and the impression I get is that Leigh is behaving poorly and Frank Sinatra looks cool.

  280. el gordo permalink
    August 27, 2012 9:11 pm

    What’s with the bold spill, no need to shout.

  281. August 27, 2012 9:18 pm

    I THOUGHT THIS WAS SHOUTING !

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