Rostrum: Polite Indifference Edition.
Hello,
And good evening. I’m back in Penang after a few days in Kuching.
It is hot, as usual, but nothing that a gin and tonic at 4pm can’t fix.
Living in the tropics is interesting. Away from the immediacy of local politics, it’s easy to simply disengage or “clock out”.
In fact, some of my friends back in Aus have no interest in politics whatsoever. They pay their taxes but don’t pay any attention to the evening news, newspapers, or anything that Gillard, Abbott, or their cronies have to say about anything.
One thing becomes very clear living in Malaysia. While many bemoan the so called “hate media” in Australia, here in Malaysia where everything that appears in the media is “State sanctioned,” you will never read or hear a bad word mentioned about the government.
Page after page in the local newspapers are dedicated to what a remarkable success story Malaysia is, with a booming economy, and therefore by default, an excellent government which is never subject to criticism.
As Sir Humphrey Appleby might say, it would be a courageous journalist who may venture to write something critical of the government. Typically this sort of individual if persistent in their outspoken criticism in the public domain may find that they simply disappear.
However, the on the ground reality for many Penangites, is that they can no longer afford to live in their own city. Property prices continue to skyrocket, pushing home affordability beyond the realms of possibility for many locals.
So as much as I loathe the likes of Bolt and Anal Jones, imagine how saccharine things might be if we too, had a media machine beholden to supporting anything and everything the government of the day says and does.
theguttertrash.com 
I think Julia Gillard has a lot of questions to answer about her time at Slater and Gordon and her dealings with Bruce Wilson. Apparently she was sleeping with him.
I was kind of hangin for a change of subject, at least on his thread anyway…. 🙄
Apparently she was sleeping with him.
Is that a crime? Many guilty people all over the country then!
I was kind of hangin for a change of subject, at least on his thread anyway….
Oh please, i gave you a tintin vid to enjoy and you chose to continue with the hatin’ on jools!
it is as it always is here when the conservatives have something they want to scream and rage about, it goes on and on and on forever. No other topic or current events will get a mention.
When abbott cocks up like the 7:30 report with leigh sales, you don’t see them for dust!
I think you might have missed that I was shitstirring.
I think you might have missed that I was shitstirring.
oh, stir away then!
Gillard had a clear conflict of interest and she neglected the interests of her actual client as a result.
She agrees that she set up a slush fund for the advantage of her boyfriend. Her boyfriend extorted funds from construction companies for his personal use.
All in all, it shows both incompetence and poor judgement. She has amply demonstrated both characteristics. She doesn’t meet the qualifications for Prime Minister.
Gillard is an embarrassment.
reb .. “I was kind of hangin for a change of subject, at least on his thread anyway”
As Sir Humphrey Appleby might say,
“Yes .. prime`meddler ..”
“We will decide who comes here and under what circumstances they will arrive…” ~ Julia Gillard
LOL .. Nice one reb. .. *Like*
“While many bemoan the so called “hate media” in Australia, here in Malaysia where everything that appears in the media is “State sanctioned,” you will never read or hear a bad word mentioned about the government.” @post
A `hate`media is just as bad as a `Love`media. Both are distorting the facts, truth and information to a political advantage, thus a public dis-advantage. Neither are good. Don`t get any `sodomy` charges against you in Malaysia, your Love-media will evaporate.
The SMH did a poll last week to discover the hip suburbs in Sydney.
Drew from Darlinghurst said ”the ‘cool factor’ is all about the location of the LGBT Community. Regardless of what global city you live in. We gays rock!”
True dat, which is partly why I’ve secured a bolt hole in Darlinghurst for my youngest who has been hanging out with the wrong crowd further west.
‘Philly Slim of Paddington replied: ”I think you’ll struggle to find anything hip north of the harbour. That’s why it’s free to leave Sydney but they charge you a toll when you re-enter civilisation.”
… imagine how saccharine things might be …
… and saccharine has a bitter aftertaste and too many side effects to be beneficial in any environment …
“Oh please, i gave you a tintin vid to enjoy and you chose to continue with the hatin’ on jools!”
True dat. I didn’t know that Kev was a Tin Tin fan. All the more reason to get rid of Julia!!! 😉
All the more reason to get rid of Julia!!!
See? immediately back to hatin’ on jools!
I think we’d better re-name the blog “The Daily Diatribe”
I can only repeat the now famous words of an acting speaker in the act of ejecting tony abbott from the chamber “you could not help yourself” hehe 😆
I think we’d better re-name the blog “The Daily Diatribe”
lol kitty
The Daily Diarrhea
When snacty’s Making Shit Up again anyway
Dunny may vote with Tom-R on this, but I just have polite indifference.
Time for a change, a revolution, wonder what Miglo will have to say about this?
‘AUSTRALIA’S first people have played the main role in sweeping a major government from office for the first time in the nation’s history.
‘In stunning move that could barely have been predicted, the Northern Territorys indigenous population rejected Labors progressive stance, opting instead for conservative candidates from the winning Country Liberal Party.’
Amos Aikman in the Oz.
In a stunning move that could barely have been predicted, eh? Duh…. I wonder why?
We don’t have to imagine how saccharine things might be if we too, had a media machine beholden to supporting anything and everything the government of the day says and does. We can just turn on ABC on FM, AM, TV, News, rural, local, national and online 24/7 then be stunned, stunned!, when we learn Labor is stuffed.
Your tax dollars at work to convince you that your tax dollars are at work.
And if that’s not daftly saccharine enough for you Gillard’s mob plans to Finkelsweeten the little media that’s not already brain dead with regulations to STFU if you ain’t got nothing saccharine to say.
Hey, but look at the bright side, think how comforting it will be not to know how badly your country is being screwed by morons milking it for all its got. It’ll be just love, love, love media. At least until the next gobsmacking unpredicted disaster.
Pour me another gin and tonic. Ain’t life sweet?
wes, seems noice … but … gin and tonic? Mmmmm …
‘Ms Gillard and the Opposition Leader, Mr Abbott, now equal each other in terms of unpopularity. Both have an approval rating of 39 per cent and a disapproval rating of 57 per cent.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-gives-labor-glimmer-of-hope-20120826-24ul0.html#ixzz24guhCJz2
Andy Bolt on the NT election and a new political confidence shown by the indigenous community.
‘In fact, the CLP, once dogged by a reputation for racism, will have the most – as many as five, including, with luck, the magnificent Bess Price.
‘And that tells us racism in politics – even in what academics down south slag off as the most racist part of Australia – is dead.’
Malaysian press censorship is massively different to the rather uncontroversial but necessary measures proposed by Finkelstein. Those proposals are aimed at making the media more accurate whereas the Malaysian system is aimed at producing a more supine media. Under Finkelstein freedom to criticise the government (or anybody else) is untouched. In fact those criticisms will be more telling if they are based on accurate facts.
Amusing.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-9-11-truthers-are-crazy
Silly trooferz.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/former-judge-ends-decades-of-silence-on-whitlam-sacking-20120826-24ul9.html
More evidence that Kerr was a c**t, so is Fraser. It’s pukesville the way ALP barrackers laud over every utterance from Fraser. He’s now spent almost 4 decades trying to repair his reputation. He’s another who would also prefer to err on the side of duplicity and concealment. He’d stab anyone in the back, break any commitment, trample on any convention, as long as it advanced his political interests.
Fraser and Gillard have much in common.
Under Finkelstein freedom to criticise the government (or anybody else) is untouched. In fact those criticisms will be more telling if they are based on accurate facts.
But when inaccuracy, bigotry and ignorance is your stock and trade, you must find finkelstein a threat.
Freedom of speech is their right to lie to the public and campaign for one side of politics with impunity. If you don’t like it don’t read or watch it, even though 70% of the media is controlled by one criminal organisation. And we’ll be having no suggestion of shonky practice over here thanks, rupert was making that very clear to tony abbott just the other day when they met to plan their next political strategy. Tony abbott, all hellfire and damnation on any alleged wrongdoing of his opponents, attacking in parliament one day, then conspiring with and praising corporate criminals to the heavens the next. No hypocrisy there!
‘bigotry and ignorance is your stock and trade’
😉 well put
Greetings from Penang!
I’m having difficulty with internet access here, and am using a so-called “ipad” which I fkn hate.
They’re ok for reading and general browsing but totally useless for writing.
I see Julia’s standing has improved in the polls.
To be perfectly honest, I hope Labor win the next election. An Abbott led government doesn’t bear thinking about.
The outgoing public editor at the New York Times concedes what he didn’t believe to be the case just two years earlier when he began his stint in that job: That “a kind of political and cultural progressivism . . . virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.” You can easily replace the words “The Times” with “The ABC” in that article and it will ring just as true. His column is proof that large news organisations can be consumed by political groupthink. Don’t hold your breath waiting for apologists for “our” “independent” ABC to admit it, though .
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/success-and-risk-as-the-times-transforms.html?_r=1&smid=pl-share
That link to the discussion between a ‘genuine sceptic’ (or two) & the troofer is well worth a read. Particularly by anyone who is convinced (mistakenly, imo) that 9/11 was an inside job.
As nefarious & unaccountable as I think the US government has been at times, it astounds me that there is a serious undercurrent of sentiment which thinks that they could or would have been able to successfully pull that off. Just the magnitude of the number of people involved who haven’t breathed a word of it all for a decade, had it been some vast conspiracy, beggars belief.
Occam’s Razor precludes wild explanations when simple ones will suffice.
That thread, & its measured rebuttals, articulates the lunacy of a troofer’s desperate wish to cling to any minor detail to perpetuate their paranoia.
As mentioned, the genuine global conspiracies, the boring ones that are generally within plain sight, can rest easy while there are nutbagz on the loose who discredit any credible questions by association.
The handbagz had better initiate a minor miracle this coming weekend, beating Geelong in Geelong (hasn’t been done for a wee while), or the Crows (breathing down their necks) will pinch second spot from them!
Great to see Collingwood dying in the arse at this end of the season too!…& Essendon & Carlton & St Kilda…&, as always, Portscum. 😆
@whose ABC? @Aug-27, 1.16pm
news orgs consumed by herd-think
no surprise here
http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/dear-colleague/
The following is true.
Earlier today my other half and I were having lunch in a Penang cafe, and the staff were having a fairly loud conversation in Hokkien (a Malaysian dialect).
I asked my partner what they were talking about, and he said that they were discussing how there is an Indian boy “for sale” in Kuala Lumpor for $400 Malaysian dollars (about $135 aussie), and whether the owner of the cafe was interested in buying the boy.
Are you serious, I asked in disbelief, and apparently they were very serious. The fact that the conversation was all just very much a casual conversation was equally unsettling.
Amazing to think that this sort of thing goes on, and in your average everyday run of the mill coffee shop no less.
… and whether the owner of the cafe was interested in buying the boy.
OK, sreb, I have to ask the obvious question … “what for” … to work in the cafe … ie slavery … or as a something else?
If you don’t/can’t answer I will “understand” …
I just realised I didn’t ask – how old was the “boy”?
And was being Indian … significant?
I “think” to be a slave and/or to work in the cafe, that was what V figured anyway.
Apparently the parents in KL coukd no longer afford to keep him, so they were selling him off for cash.
We didn’t get know how old the boy was. The cafe owner said he wasn’t interested so the conversation finished before the boy’s age was mentioned.
Being Indian is significant in the sense that Indians tend to be on the lower rung of the pecking order. A lot are brought in as labourers to work on plantations by the Chinese.
“Amazing to think that this sort of thing goes on,”
No doubt about it, we live a charmed life here. Sanitised from the harsh realities elsewhere.
I went to boarding school with a chinese malaysian, who taught me a bit of hokkien. I spent a month with him & his family in Sarawak at the end of year 11.
He’d clued me up before I got there, but it was still interesting to walk with him through the chinese market in Sibu, listening to the locals whispering “Ahn Mo Gui” as I walked past, which, loosely translated, means red haired monkey. A derogatory term for a fair skinned westerner, apparently, because the chinese don’t have red hair or pale skin (I suppose). Obviously they didn’t know I knew.
This taught me that ‘white’ people are certainly not the only racists…& that humanity is an ugly wart whwerever you go. The language may be different & the people may look different….but the base behaviour of the masses is the same.
I don’t have red hair, btw.
smelly, got no friendsThat must have been a great experience (Sarawak) Boss.
Yes, there is a definite sense of a class system in Malaysia.
Westerners are revered at the top of the list followed by Chinese, then Malay (who the Chinese rightly regard as lazy), then the Indians. Cheap labour is imported from Bangladesh, and more recently there is an influx of Indonesians who look like street gangs, and probably are.
On a completely unrelated note, have you read any Irvine Welsh, of “Trainspotting” fame?
I’ve just finished his latest book Skagboys, about a group of junkies living in Edinburgh during the Thatcher years. You might enjoy it, but he writes with a “Scottish accent” and rhyming cockney, so you need to be up with the lingo or you won’t have a fkn scooby.
But it’s pretty full on stuff.
My internet connection keeps dropping out.
I blame the Indonesians.
I’ve read a couple of Irvine Welsh books, Trainspotting & The Acid House. Really like his gritty work, so many thanks for the heads up, reb! Will definitely check it out.
If V is proficient in Hokkien I’m pretty sure he’d know “Ahn Mo Gui” (how it sounds, sort of)
Ahn= red
Mo= head (I think)
Gui (pron. goowee, sorta)= monkey
Another
uselessphrase I remember is (how it sounds) ” Lu I chaeng balang decor”…which was, “you borrow the underpants of others”. haha. WTF was he teaching me stuff like that for?! 😯Another, “Lu qui ke [kay] si [see]”…or, bluntly “your whole family will die”. Charming.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-builders-clash-on-cbd-picket-line-20120828-24x5z.html
Another success for the IR laws – violent picketing.
Grocon is a significant construction company in Australia, and are in dispute with CFMEU and ETU over union insistence that the company give a job to people it wants on the site.
One of the ways unions maintain control of construction projects is by insisting that the company employ plenty of people from the list it upplies. Many of these people become safety reps and union delegates, they do this full time, rather than work.
In other industries, the employer chooses its workforce, and from this group employees choose their delegates.
Not in construction (or parts on unionised mining). Grocon has decided to take on the practice. Good for them.
But no doubt there will be a range of barrackers who will blame Grocon, or Howard, or someone other than the union thugs and the people how run the workplace laws.
“…the list it supplies“
“I asked my partner what they were talking about, and he said that they were discussing how there is an Indian boy “for sale” in Kuala Lumpor for $400 Malaysian dollars (about $135 aussie),………..”
That cant be. The Left reckons we should send unaccompanied minors there.
“…Grocon is a significant construction company in Australia, and are in dispute with CFMEU and ETU over union insistence that the company give a job to people it wants on the site….”
You mean they actually want to make a profit ?
The CFMEU must be positively feasting on the spoils of the NBN rollout. But we’ll never hear about that since as far as the Government is concerned it would be commercially sensitive of course.
A compliant bunch of morally bankrupt and criminally minded individuals in bed with the CFMEU.
Very cosy
What a waste
Grocon used to have an enviable relationship with the workers….. I wonder what happened.
Grollo used to fall into line with whatever the unions asked for. Now the costs construction is incredibly high, and labour is a big component.
I think there is likely to be more of this type of activity. There is a sense among some unions that the Gillard Government is gone, and therefore any gains have to be made now, because they won’t be available under the Liberals.
Plenty more thuggish behaviour to come, because the government has curtailed policing of this type behaviour in building and construction.
Fraser and Gillard have much in common
Do you actually think abbott is different…who is being naive now?
Selling a boy for $400, life is so cheap in some places. Also, why can’t the country get some contraceptive pills to the poor, is it against policy or do they not have enough money? Perhaps we goody goody countries who usually like to interfere in everything else could send some $ for contraception so that children aren’t sold into slavery.
Graham Morris was asked about the leigh sales interview that did abbott in.
I don’t think he ended up answering the question, or perhaps he did? by confirming the liberal party misogyny.
…”Well, Leigh can be a real cow sometimes when she is doing her interviews,” Mr Morris said.
Ms Sales responded via Twitter: ”I’d rather be a cow than a dinosaur.”
After a deluge of angry messages and telephone calls, ABC Radio put Mr Morris back on air to explain what he meant.
”Poor little sensitive souls,” he said, having been told of the feedback.
Asked whether he would have made the comment if Ms Sales had been a male interviewer, Mr Morris said: ”That’s silly. It’s a phrase I have used a million times that somebody can be a real cow when they want to be. Look, I apologise…”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/lib-strategist-sorry-for-calling-journalist-cow-20120828-24xug.html#ixzz24oJy6FTo
[reb in post above]
As Sir Humphrey Appleby might say, it would be a courageous journalist who may venture to write something critical of the government. I tell you now, the male politicians…
I don’t think there’s much tolerance for any criticism of the Opposition, it’s full on personal attack from the angry old men of anyone who dares to criticise the abbott opposition.
This is kinda funny…
Tony Abbott’s problem neighbour:
…It’s not very neighbourly but an ‘‘Anyone But Abbott’’ campaign to run a candidate against the opposition leader has been started by a man who lives in the same street.
Bruce Butler, who works for the Commonwealth Bank, said he approached friends to start up a website and search for a suitable local candidate to run in Warringah.
Leadership is about inspiration and motivation. Most of the time, when Tony Abbott speaks, people stop listening.
The group felt that people wanted to give the Liberals a crack at government ‘‘but no one wants to give Tony Abbott a crack at it’’. In this situation ‘‘the only option we have is to try to unseat Tony Abbott’’. It’s a token gesture: the opposition leader had a comfortable 59 per cent of the primary vote in the 2010 election…
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/tony-abbotts-problem-neighbour-20120828-24x6i.html#ixzz24oUQhmHJ
“Bruce Butler, who works for the Commonwealth Bank, said he approached friends to start up a website and search for a suitable local candidate to run in Warringah.”
I’m sure if Bruce is onto something here, Abbott will indeed be unseated. OTOH if Bruce is a crank or an ALP stooge then his candidate will not affect Abbott’s numbers.
They should run Heath Ledger’s skeleton against him.
I’m sure if Bruce is onto something here, Abbott will indeed be unseated. OTOH if Bruce is a crank or an ALP stooge then his candidate will not affect Abbott’s numbers
They’d have to run as an independent though wouldn’t they? The Libs wouldn’t allow someone else to run. It’s a shame that the parties decide who we get to vote for, that’s always been a criticism of mine as it is against fair and democratic elections. Ordinary members don’t get preselected in either party, it’s unions with labor and staffers with the libs.
Here’s their website:
Anyone But Abbott
A national grassroots campaign for Warringah
…Tony Abbott is great at opposition. However, there is a big difference between adopting a small target, campaign of constant negativity and having the policies and strength of character to effectively unify and deliver prosperity to a nation after a period of prolonged divisiveness.
We want to end the negativity, the divisiveness, the unstatesmanlike behaviour, the cynicism. Rather than accepting Prime Minister Abbott come 2013, we suggest an alternative option: a Coalition government, minus Tony Abbott. The best way of achieving our goal is to ensure that Tony Abbott does not win his seat in the 2013 Federal Election.This responsibility rests solely with the people of Warringah…
Grahame Morris’ not-an-apology re leigh sales
http://soundcloud.com/abc_radio/grahame-morris-comment-on
I find it quite extraordinary that Abbott’s mates come out and have a go at Leigh Sales simply because she was doing her job.
What a mysoginistic pack of old dinosaurs they really are.
If interview had been with Kerry O’ Brien they wouldn’t have said a thing, but because it’s a women they think they’re entitled to call her “a cow” .
And all because she showed up Abbott as the mindless parrot he really is.
Oh be fair, Reb, Red Kerry has copped plenty of deserved criticism over the years. And Leigh Sales deserves it too. That wasn’t an interview. It was abuse. Abbott can’t afford to respond in kind because he’ll cop it for being a bully boy.
He’s going to have to work out a way to get through those interviews though. They really are an Achilles Heel for him.
“Well Leigh can be a real cow sometimes when she’s doing her interviews.”
I find that remark bovinist.
Abuse?! 😯
Because he was pursued?
You Abbottlickers have a strange standard of abuse. 🙄
unfknblvbl
He’s an arrogant prick without a direct answer.
Cattlegate.
I could care less about Sales being called a cow. I doubt she’s truly affronted herself. It’s hardly a wounding word.
None of which detracts from the fact that Abbott squirmed & slithered & outright refused to give direct answers when he had the spotlight in his eyes for 12 minutes.
Abuse?! bah!
The seeds of outrage, planted by the rightard meme cultivator, into the indignation sectors of the narrow minds of his crop of enraptured lickspittles.
In just a few days, the infested bear fruit, like this…”That wasn’t an interview. It was abuse.”
Comical
The initial propagation, spread from this link like salvation jane…
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/730_scoop_leigh_sales_hates_tony_abbott/
”Do you actually think abbott is different…who is being naive now?”
I don’t imagine for a moment that Abbott is any better.
But Fraser and Gillard share so many traits.
o Placing their personal ambition above all else.
o Denying their original political orientation for political interests.
o Contempt for convention.
o Fake moral high ground
o Willing to knife their colleagues as readily as their opponents
o Annoying, affected manner of speech
o Humorless
o Lack of moral compass
Abbott is a wooden, unconvincing interviewee, and was atrocious on 7:30. He’s hardly the ideal candidate for prime minister, and, according to the opinion polls, most voters agree. If he wins the election it’ll be because he’s not Gillard and is the leader of the not-Labor party.
Leigh Sales seems nice, but Emma Alberici seems even nicer.
“Abbott is a wooden, unconvincing interviewee, and was atrocious on 7:30.”
Most probably true. But I look for someone who can do a good job as PM.
Obama has charisma but is he a good President??
But Leigh Sales was nasty. Her bias was showing. As a taxpayer funded person she should be impartial and be seen to be impartial. Like most ABC employees she is using taxpayers money to help the ALP win the next election.
Also the lefties seem to be very touchy. I did not take notes when Howard was in power but i am sure ALP politicians used name calling a lot. i am sure I can find some examples if I looked.
Sales will recover from being called a cow.
I agree with Tony.
” It was abuse.”
Oh, puleaze…. 🙄
Poor widdle Abbott (and his mates) get all cut up, because he was exposed on national TV as the mindless moron that he feverishly tries to conceal beneath his carefully composed exterior.
And what’s more it was a woman that did it….!!
Guffaw…!
Science Video: Cypress Hill Played Through a Squid: Insane in the Membrane, Indeed
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/26/cypress-hill-played-through-a-squid-insane-in-the-membrane-indeed/#ixzz24pvHDdca
Let’s imagine an interview that goes something like this……
“Prime Minister you’ve been a little loose with the truth lately haven’t you?”
“Prime Minister when you said you only gave advice on setting up that Association that wasn’t true was it? You in fact filled out the form didn’t you? You weren’t telling the truth.”
“Prime Minister, when you say Tony Abbott is going to bring back Workchoices, you’re not telling the truth are you? I mean you really have no idea what he’s going to do. It’s just a part of a scare campaign isn’t it”.
“Prime Minister, when you say the Trade Union movement is all ok there’s just a couple of isolated incidents, you really are talking through your arse aren’t you?”
The screams from the Left would be deafening. Now I agree, as I did actually say before, that Abbott needs to find a way through these interviews, but there’s no way Gillard would be attacked the way he is. She didn’t even try to hide the hostility.
As I say, it wasn’t an interview, it was an assault.
Toilet, give me some credit. I don’t need others to form my opinions for me, I am well capable of forming my own.
That wasn’t an interview. It was abuse.
hehe, yes you conservatives really do inhabit an alternative universe. Actual personal abuse and derogatory, demeaning insults are quite OK, but not letting a politician spin, fudge and bluster is considered abuse. Just shows how easy toxic tony has been getting it if that was considered abuse. Gillard could only wish that she was ‘abused’ in the same way by the media!
But Leigh Sales was nasty. Her bias was showing. As a taxpayer funded person she should be impartial and be seen to be impartial.
There were two people present at that interview and only one of them came prepared and with their sheet of homework. If that is the best kind of ‘thinking’ that abbott can come up with when he has to let go of the scripted memo – pity australia if he’s ever pm!
I just don’t get the disconnect. She was being impartial dude, she was asking the questions that were necessary to get to the bottom of his fearmongering and duplicity – what was it based on? certainly not what he was alleging and she had the proof. How is that being biased?
What is the point of having an interview if you just sit there and let them spin whatever and however they want? We’ve been crying out for some decent journalism and when someone actually performs some, you lot condemn it!
According to the cons refuting their misrepresentations of the truth with actual facts is being just plain ‘nasty’ just let them lie their heads off to the public eh?
I don’t mind if Leigh Sales went hard on Abbott. There should be more of it, all politicians deserve to be grilled in detail.
Gillard has avoided this on her Slater & Gordon scandal.
“She was being impartial dude”
No. She was using taxpayers money for political purposes.
Kittylitter, her opening question labelled him a liar. It wasn’t a case of pursuit. It was just a clobbering with a baseball bat. No problem with that, just that I expect the direct lies told by Julia Gillard in the last week to get similar treatment.
I was just being edgy, snacty. 😉
I know that being a rightard is like belonging to the hive mind. Take Kneel’s responses above for example. Same dog, different leg action.
Mono Tone, shows us that there is hope for y’all yet. I agree with his comment, word for word.
Sorry to imply that you were influenced by Bolt; I’m sure that that never, ever, ever happens. I’m not swayed by his polemic bilge either; so we have that in common. Here’s some more Cypress Hill, as a token of my shameful contrition…
Abbott does not appear to handle interviews well which is surprising since he would have had years debating people. But he was right about the carbon and mining taxes.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/taxes-a-drag-on-coal-kloppers-warns-investors-20120823-24oyp.html
“BHP Billiton head Marius Kloppers has told European investors that Australia’s carbon and mining taxes have helped to render the nation’s coal industry unworthy of further investment at this time.”
“Abbott does not appear to handle interviews well which is surprising since he would have had years debating people. ”
Abbott prefers to choose his audiences “wisely,” as in heavily stacked with supporters, like his preferred “RSL hall” style lectures, or the carbon tax rally in Canberra.
He goes to pieces when someone actually challenges his bullshit and calls it for what it is.
He doesn’t deserve any favours from the media, and the fact that his apologists here declare that legitimate questions from Leigh Sales somehow constitute an “assault” or “abuse” serves to illustrate how beyond reproach the “born to rule” mob (and their supporters) believe they are, or at least, ought to be.
It’s a fkn joke!!
No worries, Toilet, and it’s not to say I don’t agree with the evil Bolt, as very often I do. But equally I note that I often post on a topic here and find he posts something similar shortly afterward there.
I am my own RWDB!!
Reb, I don’t have a problem with agressive interview techniques, and if it had been the second or third question then maybe it would be ok.
But to open up with “You’ve been loose with the truth” just suggests to me more of the spitting hatred so often exhibited by the ABC. She can hate him, many do, but when you work for a publicly funded body you should at least make a pretend attempt at impartiality.
“…but there’s no way Gillard would be attacked the way he is. She didn’t even try to hide the hostility.
😆
No, alan jones is the perfect gentleman, no way he’d be hostile to gillard if the PM of the nation was late in getting to his ‘important’ show on time.
Kittylitter, her opening question labelled him a liar…
And that is exactly what he had been doing, all day he claimed BHP stopped olympic dam due to the carbon tax which we now know didn’t even apply to copper, gold and uranium.
“…you were pretty loose with the truth tony…”
That is because she had the truth in her hand and knew he had been lying all day, he had already told the lies – why shouldn’t she call it out?
How is that considered abuse when tony and his media mates are screaming ju-liar all day every day about gillard and that is considered OK?
Hoist by his own petard!
She can hate him, many do, but when you work for a publicly funded body you should at least make a pretend attempt at impartiality…
How was calling him out on his own words, biased?
if you assert that is bias, then julia has been copping a lot of wrongful prejudicial reporting, biased interviews and wrongful biased accusations from the opposition about the never ever carbon tax under a government I lead lie.
You can’t have it both ways.
I just looked at the Sales Abbott interview . I can’t see what the fuss is about .she had a go afh and he fought back. He came off better than I was led to believe.
Just watched an Emma Alberichi Penny Wong love fest.
Emma asked what dumping the carbon floor price would do to the budget. Penny just fobbed her off.
Emma smiled and Penny was off the hook
No answer.
Welcome to the our largest federal deficit ever in 2015.
couple of charmers:
http://www.vexnews.com/2012/08/pair-of-twits-primary-school-teacher-and-anono-liberal-staffer-disgrace-themselves-on-twitter/
‘He goes to pieces when someone actually challenges his bullshit and calls it for what it is.’
That’s not right, tabit always remains calm and cool. Leigh Sales was fuming the other night, like a big blouse gal.
And Noddy’s catch was good, Leigh didn’t do her homework….Kloppers supports the opposition leader’s contention that the mining and CO2 taxes have a negative influence on business investment.
Monk 1 Sales 0
True, when a government introduces a regulatory regime that causes increased industrial activity and union intervention and puts taxes on stuff not previously taxed, it simply cannot expect investment decisions to remain unchanged.
Companies such as BHPB will make decisions on the basis of their medium term returns (rather than long term), and Olympic Dam is an example.
The decline in manufacturing is another. BlueScope Steel is in decline but facing increased industrial activity and more tax. No one will put money into expansion of steel production in this country.
Olympic Dam was never ever going to get built under this disaster of a Government due to the long term construction phase (specifically due to the dismantling of the Building Authority).
If you wanna see what’s wrong with the construction industry and why costs have escalated out of control just turn on the TV each morning and look at whats going on down in Melbourne.
Yep……….Union Thuggery at its finest again thanks to Rudd, Gillard and Co. Lets face it construction workers are very well paid/overpaid in this country and that’s why construction is well below capacity in Australia at the moment .
BHPB have got 33 other about to start projects in and outside of Australia worth $22B to look after plus another $50B in medium term start ups.
They don’t need a 10 year ongoing disaster at Olympic Dam due to Union scum blackmailing at every tun much like they have done in the coal mines of Queensland.
Oh no!!!
How will TB cope….??
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/08/29/357031_food-wine.html
I feel a wave of sobriety coming on.
The Coolabah Fruity Lexia is a great wine once it has been aged for a suitable period.
Which is about half an hour in the fridge.
Drink it in a schooner with 2 table spoons of sugar and a dash of lime cordial – it’s sophistication Queensland style.
It’s bad news for the cheer squad…
http://essentialvision.com.au/essential-research
The Bolter wonders if Nooze is biased.
http://www.news.com.au/national/mick-gatto-says-cfmeu-is-not-to-blame-for-blockade/story-fndo4eg9-1226460341035
Well, that settles it. If Mick Gatto has full confidence in the leadership of the CFMEU and its next boss, who am I to argue?
Of course Gatto’s judgment and negotiating skills are highly regarded in bring intractable industrial disputes to an end. His company “Elite Cranes” is so effective, that many clients just cannot bring themselves to try any other company! They stick like glue, and apparently are so effective in what they do, they can pretty well charge what they like and stay as long as they wish.
Just because Gatto’s killed at least one man shouldn’t reflect poorly on him, as such things happen in the circles he moves in… I mean which of us hasn’t been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the consequences are that you finish up shooting someone?
So it’s great that the CFMEU are so well connnected.
…and we can take comfort that apparently bikie gangs aren’t involved. That’s nice.
Gatto has done nothing wrong!!!
True James.
Who doesn’t have friends like Mick? Which of us hasn’t gone to the toilet with our own mate, a version of “Benji” Veniamin, and only one of us has returned alive? The other shot dead.
It happens all the time when I go to the men’s and I think it’s fine that union officials hang around with such colourful characters.
Clearly Setka is a great bloke and is really law abiding, with only a few dozen convictions. He’s lucky to have good mates like Mick Gatto.
…and thankfully there are no bikie gangs involved in the CFMEU.
What is it with Victorian’s and Construction Unions ?
How will TB cope….??
it’s sophistication Queensland style.
I really am sick of the abuse around here … I feel like a LibNit politician … all yuk and dirty …
Anyway … wine in cardboard is for clowns … I notice, ToM, is an “expert” …
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I see, Underbelly, is still alive and well in Victoria … LOL!
The government should get a bounce with the $4 billion unfunded dental system on offer.
I just had a look at the Elite Cranes Website. They seem to be very straightforward and honourable
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“Elite Cranes was established in 2003. The founders Mr Tomas & Mr Gatto joined forces with a highly skilled management team aiming to become the Industry’s “Elite”
………….Our personnel are all fully uniformed and armed with the most current state of the art equipment that there is on offer
………We have concentrated on selecting the best men possible to man our equipment “
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I assume all that that translates to something like…………….
Mr Tomas and Mr Gatto joined forces with 2 rival Bikie Gangs in 2003.
All staff wear their Bikie Uniform Colours and carry a full array of state of the art small arms and automatic weapons………………………….in fact anything that’s available from the local Lebanese gun dealer at the time.
We even have specialised staff who are able to use hand held rocket launchers if needed.
“The government should get a bounce with the $4 billion unfunded dental system on offer.”
Yes it will be a Federal Government cheque bouncing
‘Yes it will be a Federal Government cheque bouncing’
The timing of the announcement was strategically well placed to cancel out the CO2 debacle in the polls.
It would be wise of tabit to admit its a good idea and support an affordable dental system along the lines of Medicare…most Australians like the idea.
“…most Australians like the idea.”
Yes they do
Mr Abbott introduced the original one.
Did I say Mr Abbott………………………………..of course I meant Mr Evil Abbott
… a “supposedly” Labor voter told me last night that she thought the new Airport Tunnel Complex in Brisbane was fantastic! She and her husband had travelled on it for the free introduction recently … then we got to discussing toll costs …
… my, “Labor voting” friend concluded we should have user pays for everything, health, education at all levels, roads, dental (came up!), retirement … what about people who can’t afford? Well, they will just have to find alternatives … I’m still shaking my head! The Minister almost bruised my foot kicking it under the table!
Talk about “understanding” politics and issues … she votes ALP, she reckons, because her dad did … 😯
Just to balance that … my Mum, used to vote Liberal … ’cause her dad voted Labour (UK) … the only time she ever changed her vote was to get rid of that, “wicked, liar, Howard” … she was 85 …
Had a great political upbringing … Mum, could argue Liberal policies as
good … badlybetter than, Neil … 😉 … my old man was union rep on the original Gladstone Alumina Plant … and before we emigrated, had been a delegate at David Brown tractors in the UK ….My politics come from being on both sides of the “fence” in business (not just at home 🙂 )… dealing with arsehole managers and arsehole union reps …
… of course I meant Mr Evil Abbott
A REVELATION! Praise be!
‘Plans are being drawn up to move the major coastal cities inland due to the rising tides. This should help employment.’
Miglo
guffaw
Which thread was that on, egg?
“Plans are being drawn up to move the major coastal cities inland due to the rising tides. This should help employment.’”This should help employment.’”
Help employment in Canberra more like it.
Its a pretty fucking stupid thing to say…………….Its the same as saying why dont we just bulldoze Melbourne and then rebuild it…………………
…..it would help with employment.
I do hope Tony takes Cambell to Canberra some day to fire 10s of thousands of USELESS PUBLIC SERVANTS……………….just on Day One………………………….
………………….BEFORE LUNCH
er, Wally, have you read, Miggsy’s, comment in context? Or just chosen to take, egg’s, “word” for the comment … I could be wrong (I couldn’t find it) but, egg, hasn’t told me where it was …
Still, LibNits, are quick to chastise, unless its one of their own!
‘Which thread was that on, egg?’
In the year 2050
‘Its a pretty fucking stupid thing to say…………….Its the same as saying why dont we just bulldoze Melbourne and then rebuild it…………………’
It’s the broken window fallacy. . .
When Combet took over Hoare’s safe seat, just 12 kilometers from the ocean, the first thing he did was buy a house by the beach and then parrots on that sea level is going to rise.
Personally, I think the bigger risk to civilised society is dishonest politicians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/29/republican-national-convention-race-tampa
…An attendee to the US Republican party convention was removed from the conference after allegedly throwing nuts at a black camerawoman from CNN, saying “this is how we feed animals”…
The interwebs seems to be agitated this week over Mr-Rabbit being mauled on my show. Suck it up interwebs. Since 2010 we have allowed Mr-Rabbit to serve up intellectual snacks as answers to legitimate questions put to the leader of the `alternative`government. Wayne-Swan turns up for regular attempted maulings from Chris-Toolman and nobody seems to mind. Mr-Rabbits free ride is over at my ABC.
Iron ore slides.
The ALP barrackers must be so proud that Gillard is negotiating the deal with PNG and Nauru to imprison asylum seekers.
Gillard isn’t simply seeking an arrangement to house them while they’re being processed, she will deliberately detain them for years, as a deterrent.
After all the talk about the inhumanity of detention, this government is implementing a policy of actual punishment of the innocent.
Gillard is a disgrace.
“Who doesn’t have friends like Mick?”
Mick is right at home in Unionland. A well respected role model he is.
Yes, there’s a record of Mick at ALP fundraisers, he’s a mate of unions that are affiliated with the ALP. He’s a mover and shaker in the IR club… and he shoots people.
He’d be comfortable at the Grocon “protest”, right at the front, punching a police horse.
Welcome back to workplace relations, just the way the ALP mates prefer it.
Jason Moran did nothing wrong!!!
That’s an interesting post, Kittylitter.
What’s your point?
“Plans are being drawn up to move the major coastal cities inland due to the rising tides. This should help employment.’”This should help employment.’”
Help employment in Canberra more like it.
As I suspected … right out of context and severely misunderstood … samtin’ natting, as they say in PNG … you dopey Dora’s really don’t get sarcasm (I guess that’s why we have to put a *sarc alert up 🙄 ) satire, nor irony but especially political satire …
Still, I’ve never met an accountant (of any sort) with a well developed sense of humour … and whiole most eggs have a yolk or two, you’ll find eventually they’re cracked … *
*sarc alert
Much amusement…I didn’t recognise ‘light sarcastic’.
On a slow news day
‘A leading supermarket chain in Australia has come under fire for a job advert that advised ‘no Indians or Asians’ should apply.
‘Coles supermarket was slammed after the discriminatory advert seeking cleaners for a branch near the Tasmanian capital of Hobart was posted on the internet.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195271/Australian-supermarket-race-row-internet-advert-cleaning-staff-says–Indians-Asians-please.html#ixzz24z4QMmOV
Last time I’ll rely on you Eg……….!
🙂
I dont bother even looking in over there these days………………..makes me drowsy
I always avoided employing Mainland Chinese males (HK was fine) , South Afikaans (M & F) and South Americans (M & F).
The Chinese males were almost always just disgusting in the way they treated any Chinese females whether Mainland or HK or Singaporean etc. Completely in contrast to Hong Kong males who actually respected others.
South Afikaans (M & F) were just arrogant to everybody.
And South Americans seemed to be totally unable to turn up on time to work having been at some festival or birthday party the night before.
It worked for me
“Still, I’ve never met an accountant (of any sort) with a well developed sense of humour”
This is very true. They’re usually too worried about doing a cost benefit analysis to see how much a laugh might cost them.
Although their dress sense would seem to suggest that they have a sense of humour.
“I really am sick of the abuse around here … I feel like a LibNit politician … all yuk and dirty”
Don’t take it personally TB. We’re ridiculing and lauging at EVERYONE who lives in Queensland, not just you…. 🙂
I went & read the strange effort to articulate a vision of how dire our future would be if we elect the Abbott Satan! 😯
Iain Hall made the only sane comment there; if that don’t beat all!
As if they need more reasons to panic about Abbott & overdramatise the political cycle. Resorting to bleak fantasy is an odd way to further frighten the horses.
I loathe the idea of having an Abbott Government. I revile the man. But…it won’t be the end of the world; more of a cyclical progression. Imagine being so spooked by the genuine possibilty that your favoured outcome doesn’t eventuate.?
Don’t take it personally TB Oh I do, I do!
Maybe I should have put a *sarc alert up? 😛
How’s the Loliday going?
We fly out on Sunday …
Anyone would think that the arrogant person calling for cuts to the minimum wage didn’t get a hefty leg-up via inherited wealth. 🙄
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/gina-rinehart-tells-whingers-get-out-of-the-pub/story-e6frede3-1226461328341
Hardly a self made success, sound business decisions made post inheritance notwithstanding.
“The government should get a bounce with the $4 billion unfunded dental system on offer.”
Apparently Labor has cut a Howard govt scheme and replaced it with nothing. If it was the other way around Labor would be screaming that the Coalition had cut heath funding.
Labor claimed the current scheme was being rorted. Well then why not fix up the current scheme?? I suspect they just abolished the current dental scheme because they need the money.
“How’s the Loliday going?”
Very nicely indeed. But it all comes carshing back to reality when we head back to Melbourne tomorrow.
It’s going to be a scorcher today….
“I loathe the idea of having an Abbott Government. I revile the man. But…it won’t be the end of the world; more of a cyclical progression.”
Agreed. I just hope that when we the Coalition gets in, that we see a return to business confidence.
The word I hear from more than a few people, is that this government isn’t interested in meeting with business leaders at all.
Government Failures of the Day
1. Asylum Seekers. Gillard seeks punitive measures, she is intent on introducing a policy of punishment of people who seek our protection.
A disgraceful hypocrite, and so are those who support her.
2. Industrial Relations. The government has closed the only effective regulator of thuggish behaviour on construction sites. Now we have lawless behaviour that has spread beyond the original Melbourne dispute, it is now infecting other states. The action is in breach of Supreme Court orders.
All the lawless behaviour is by unions affiliated with the ALP. IR Minister Shorten thinks a meeting would be a good idea.
“…..Don’t take it personally TB Oh I do, I do!………….”
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………
It seems to me that TB is just trapped in some vortex of hostility on most mornings
I can understand why having spoken to quite a few seniors…………….the males are the ones I’m talking about.
It would appear that at his advanced age he is deep within the reminiscing phase of Life
Each morning he wakes up and before his feet even hit the boards he realizes that almost every corner of his body is stiff and aching.
Then he reminisces back to his much younger days when he would awake and before his feet even hit the boards only one part of his body was stiff and aching.
But alas……….these days that part is the only part not stiff and aching each morning.
In fact its positively numb………………………possibly dead forever
“…this government isn’t interested in meeting with business leaders at all.”
That has been the case for quite some time apparently with only one exception…………
Martin Ferguson
It sounds like you got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning Jaws…. 😉
He’d be comfortable at the Grocon “protest”, right at the front, punching a police horse.
They could always keep the horses away from a potentially harmful environment, it could be considered animal cruelty to use horses in such a provocative way, to deliberately place them in an environment where they might be harmed.
That’s an interesting post, Kittylitter.
What’s your point?…
You actually cannot work that out for yourself james?
Well, Kittylitter, it appears as though you’re linking racist behaviour with Republican membership. Is that the case?
AO, unions are intent on reasserting their control of construction sites, they’re preparing for a Liberal government. This dispute is about ensuring they are strongly positioned for the resurrection of the ABCC.
Shorten’s response to this lawlessness is insipid, but that’s the character of the man.
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”Iain Hall made the only sane comment there; if that don’t beat all!’
I try to avoid it these days. It is too mind sappingly dull, banal, humourless, trivial, fatuous, puerile. When the dills provide their chosen opposition, credibility = zilch.
This government has proud record of achievement, not least in the industrial relations area where it has restored some much needed balance. The fact is that strike activity has been in decline under this government. You wouldn’t guess that from the shameless media beat-ups of the few strikes we have.
Now a strike or a few Occupy protesters taking to the streets is magnified by the press and reported as evidence of social break-down if no the coming of the end of days. While some may prefer a docile populace happily serving the interests of wealthy capitalists others see virtue in a society which allows some leverage for people to improve their lot in the contest between labour and capital.
I was not linking anything, I was presenting an article that I read in the guardian. I do think that the particular person must have felt very comfortable in his racism to do such a thing at a huge convention.
I have no idea what an attendee is, or their role, I assume it is a person delegated by their state to represent their state at the convention, or, I guess it could be someone employed by the organising committee .
Why and how such an openly racist person would be selected to represent anyone could be open for legitimate debate couldn’t it?
Shorten’s response to this lawlessness is insipid, but that’s the character of the man.
I agree with that sentiment, I think he is very much an alp wannabe leader and hides much ambition behind a “mr reasonable and likeable” public persona.
I can’t agree with your characterisation of protest as lawlessness. I think legitimate protest in this country has been so repressed by governments that it is almost impossible for dissent from any group or the public to legitimately occur.
Unjust laws should be broken, they are a tool of oppression and control by authority. The state should not be using armed forces against their own.
5,000 people attend a convention. One of them, according to a Tweet, gets turfed for an apparent act of racism.
The eviction should say something about the tolerance of racism at the event yet Kittylitter’s conclusion, based on an assumption, is that the apparent racist felt comfortable about their racism in the environment therefore all Republicans are racists.
Which is ironic, given that racism is, in and of itself, a collective application of bigotry.
It seems to me that TB is just trapped in some vortex of hostility on most mornings
Wrong, as usual … still I did say accountants have no sense of humour … just more proof 😛
** double sarc alert!
…Kittylitter’s conclusion, based on an assumption, is that the apparent racist felt comfortable about their racism in the environment therefore all Republicans are racists…
well actually, the way I read it, there is now two of them, and it was convention officials [the people responsible for the venue] who chucked them out, no public condemnation from the republican party itself [that I have seen as yet]. Do the attendees represent the republican party of their state?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19414600
…Two attendees were ejected from Republican National Convention on Tuesday for throwing nuts at a black CNN camerawoman.
The individuals told her “this is how we feed animals” as they threw the nuts, multiple witness said.
Convention security and police removed the two from the convention centre shortly after the incident.
In a statement, convention officials said the attendees had “exhibited deplorable behaviour”.
“Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behaviour will not be tolerated.”
‘Lawless’ is exactly the correct term because-
©There is an industrial agreement in place, and the action is unprotected. It’s in violation of the Act this government introduced.
©The action is in breach of Supreme Court orders.
©It’s objective is to prevent Grocon from fulfilling its contractual obligations.
©The action seeks to obstruct workers from attending their place of employment.
All in all, it’s lawless. It is typical of union attitudes that place their own (thuggish) objectives above the law.
…and they own the ALP.
(Speaking of (in)different vortices, and sea-changes daily: Corryvreckan Whirlpool.)
Kittylitter, Google Kyle Downey, the “convention official” who made the statement.
Your willingness to believe the worst of your political opponents without doing the most basic of checks speaks volumes.
Perhaps convention officials mean republican officials, i don’t know if that means venue officials or party officials – if it is from the party then they have condemned the behaviour, as they should.
You seem to be ignoring the representation actually, as official attendees they do represent the republican party from their state don’t they?
Even you james must admit to a certain amount of racism directed against barack obama from the birther, tea party types.
Lawless’ is exactly the correct term because…
…All in all, it’s lawless. It is typical of union attitudes that place their own (thuggish) objectives above the law…
i’m not a union official but i agree with them. The laws only exist as a means of controlling and oppressing what i believe should be legitimate protest.
The law is unjust in itself and just because they are made by authority and governments to keep people contained, doesn’t make them right or legitimate.
“Birther, Tea Party types”. That’s just as bad as being racist.
The reason I’m going you over this, Kittylitter, is you are so quick, so often to brand an entire group with an “-ism” without giving due consideration to their actual motivations.
Those who oppose asylum seekers arriving by boat are racist.
Those who dislike Julia Gillard are mysoginist.
Republicans are racist.
Kittylitter, there are racists, mysoginists, homophobes, and any other “-ist” you can think of across all political spectra. Especially throughout the Trade Union movement. Branding entire Movements by the isolated actions of a few is intellectually vaccuous.
I’m sure there are plenty of racists in the Republican Movement. Probably not as many as in the Democrat Movement. You might want to recall which side was which in the American Civil War.
One of the most powerful people in the Republican Party, and a future President in my opinion, is a black woman. And there entirely on merit.
“Probably not as many as in the Democrat Movement. ”
cackle, cackle, cackle…
The reason I’m going you over this, Kittylitter, is you are so quick, so often to brand an entire group with an “-ism” without giving due consideration to their actual motivations.
So, what were the motivations of the two nutthrower republican attendees james?
“They took our jerbs…….”
Quite possibly, Kittylitter, to have the entire Convention reported as racist.
right back at you james…
One of the most powerful people in the Republican Party, and a future President in my opinion, is a black woman. And there entirely on merit.
One woman represents the entire party? You’ve just completely made the exact same argument that you were accusing me of making as your defence 😆
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/republican-cnn-attack-animal-peanuts-racist_n_1838249.html?ir=Politics
…The incident would be ugly anywhere, but it is especially troubling for a party whose nominee attracted 0 percent of the black vote in a recent NBC poll…
One woman represents the entire party? You’ve just completely made the exact same argument that you were accusing me of making as your defence
Good try, Kittylitter. But wrong. That “one woman” can only achieve the position she has in an environment of broad racial and gender tolerance. Were the Republicans the party of racist rednecks and mysoginists that you like to paint them, Condi would be nowhere.
Probably not as many as in the Democrat Movement.
more boltism…or is that bolt-ist, i forget which ‘isms’ we are hating in the cultural wars.
You might want to recall which side was which in the American Civil War.
And initially there was no republican party existence in the south, I would say the modern republican party is no longer representative of its beginnings [so would many republicans, it’s one of their complaints isn’t it?].
Good try, Kittylitter. But wrong. That “one woman” can only achieve the position she has in an environment of broad racial and gender tolerance
hehe, sorry, your fallacy [or is it bolt-isms] exposed!
Republicans the party of racist rednecks and mysoginists that you like to paint them, Condi would be nowhere.
because one black woman is acceptable to them?
[wiki] Views within the black community:
Rice’s rise within the George W. Bush administration initially drew a largely positive response from many in the black community. In a 2002 survey, then National Security Advisor Rice was viewed favorably by 41% of black respondents, but another 40% did not know Rice well enough to rate her and her profile remained comparatively obscure.[120] As her role increased, some black commentators began to express doubts concerning Rice’s stances and statements on various issues. In 2005, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson asked, “How did [Rice] come to a worldview so radically different from that of most black Americans?”[121]
Rice and Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer participate in a news conference at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, May 23, 2007.
Other writers have also noted what they perceive to be a distance between Rice and the black community. The Black Commentator magazine described sentiments given in a speech by Rice at a black gathering as “more than strange—they were evidence of profound personal disorientation. A black woman who doesn’t know how to talk to black people is of limited political use to an administration that has few black allies.”[122]
When Rice invoked the civil rights movement to clarify her position on the invasion of Iraq, Margaret Kimberley, another writer for The Black Commentator, felt that her use of the rhetoric was “offensive
“…….i’m not a union official but i agree with them. The laws only exist as a means of controlling and oppressing what i believe should be legitimate protest…………..”
What Rubbish !
If that was allowed to occur the entire Building Industry would come crashing to a halt because no investor would be willing to risk money on any venture that could be halted on a whim of an individual.
I mean seriously sometimes Kitty………………..(!)(?)
Again, Kittylitter, your quote in no way substantiates your point.
You attempted to use the actions of a couple of dickheads to brand an entire movement. I showed you how that was stupid. Now you seem to be saying that a couple of commentators think that Condi was disliked by some black people therefore her elevation within the Republican Movement didn’t evidence tolerance within that Movement.
Here is the point. In political movements across the spectrum, there exist all kinds of people with all kinds of prejudices. Trying to brand one side as racist is simply stupid.
Rice will ever have the yolk of Bush & Iraq around her neck, dragging her down. Caught on the wrong side of history. Not POTUS material. Too much baggage.
I disagree, Toilet, but that isn’t the point.
… there are racists, mysoginists, homophobes, and any other “-ist” you can think of
There are indeed, James … BTW you missed out, Ageists, who seem to populate TDT recently … and homophobes doesn’t end in – ists … in case you hadn’t noticed …
*** TRIPLE BYPASS SARC ALERT! 😛
“I disagree, Toilet,”
I’m sure you do. Hardly surprising.
I wonder how many Americans currently think, in hindsight, that spending all of that blood & treasure to invade Iraq was a good idea, like you still do? Hmmmm.
AO, I’m not against civil disobedience and protests, but the construction unions aren’t fighting for any higher principle, nor are they seeking to protect worker’s rights.
The CFMEU* is fighting for its power to control the people employed in the industry. They want to be able to nominate the workforce, and maintain their corrupt reign. The ALP has helped them by closing the ABCC.
(*in deference to HD, I realise the construction division operates with an entirely different set of ethics to those of the paper/manufacturing division)
FIVE! Diggers die in Afghanistan …
Lest we forget …
Im at work and don’t like the mobile bloggimg .
james i asked about 3 times :
were thenut thwers as attendees, representatives of the republican party?
KL, I don’t know, I have looked and can’t get an answer. I’m also at work.
Are there Ageists amongst us……………………. ?
I’m sure TB will do his best to run them out of Town…………
………………….once he does up the waist cord of his PJs …………finds his slippers and……………his Ferarri Red Zimmer Frame
How did you know it was red, Wally? (Fire engine red actually) 😛 😆
Thanks for the clarification, YomM.
Indeed, the pulp & paper division of the cfmeu that I belong to is fairly benign & has a cooperative relationship with the company.
“BTW you missed out, Ageists, who seem to populate TDT recently ..”
Oh come now TB, some of my best friends are “older Australians.”
🙂 😉
‘Reince Priebus says that Romney “gave away his father’s inheritance.”
‘Romney has repeatedly said so himself and that’s backed up by the simple fact that Brigham Young University has an institute named for his father launched just a few years after his death. And there’s no reason to think Romney would have needed the money a decade after his lucrative move to Bain Capital.
‘We find the evidence supports the claim and we see nothing to contradict it. If any evidence emerges, we’ll review it. But in the meantime, we rate Priebus’ claim True.’
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/27/reince-priebus/republican-national-committee-chair-reince-priebus/
The farcical nature of US popularity politics is set into full swing, isn’t it.
For those of us amused from a distance by such things, the coming months will be jam packed with swelling levels of patriotic wankery & god blessing the US of Pageantry.
Even Mike Moore is currently tipping an Obama loss. I’m unsure. It will be interesting to see how the mormon dynamic plays out, given that plenty of evangelical nutjobs don’t recognise the ‘legitimacy’ of mormonism & maybe won’t turn up to vote on the day? (they should probably take a good hard look in the mirror, at the ‘legitimacy’ of their own fairy tales, imo- I don’t see how mormonism is ‘worse’…all man imagined religions are patently absurd when you examine the tall tales which they pivot upon).
‘Many people rightly fear that Republicans want to sharply curtail reproductive freedom, expand the drug war, ban whatever they consider pornography, and treat gays and lesbians as second class citizens. Romney needs to make clear that his limited government philosophy means the feds shouldn’t be intervening in the private lives of individuals unless it’s absolutely central to the survival of the nation. Nobody’s asking for lifestyle approval, they just want to make sure Romney and the Republicans will respect our right to be left alone.’
Extremist!
They are a weird mob from our perspective…god botherers extremis…but reading Tony’s link the Romney sounds good and may give Obama a run for his money.
They stitched up Ron Paul good, Tony. I’m not sure that the core of the GOP, or Romney for that matter- who really represents more of the same, is in sync with libertarian ideals. I think that they just pay lip service to them in an attempt to capture that voting bloc.
Surely thinking libertarians can recognise when they’re being used?
I suppose that it may well come down to what they see as the choice between the lesser of two evils.
‘…the choice between the lesser of two evils.’
That’s how the Australian electorate feel about joolya and the monk.
I’m quite partial to what I see as the individualist creed of libertarianism. I’ve never liked to be ‘guided’ or moulded paternally by any authority.
As long as that creed is applied to all individuals & not just the powerful protecting & monopolising their entrenched positions of privilege, under the guise of a supposedly ‘free market’.
I don’t take too seriously claims that libertarianism is some type of selfish or greedy ideology for heartless individuals.
My own interests have never been what’s probably considered mainstream, so I have some sympathy for a ‘don’t tred on me’ mentality.
Probably, el gordo.
It’s very tempting not to show up to vote at all at our own next federal election.
Show up and write this on the ballot paper – “Message to scrutineers – a pox on both major parties”
I will show up, no matter how apathetic I currently feel about it all. If for no other reason than to get the opportunity to sneer at & argue with the local Family First contingent & their useful idiot pamphleteers! 😉
We are still a year out from our election, I’m hopeful that a charismatic leader will emerge.
Also, I’m a firm believer that casting my vote entitles me to the right to bitch about politics afterwards. Non-voters should just stfu.
Gary Gray is a covert member of the Denialati and I nominate him to become PM in the October coup…there is nobody else on that side.
Show up and write this on the ballot paper – “Message to scrutineers – a pox on both major parties”
My last vote was planned to be a big red cross across the voting slip!
But a landslide to Noddy Newman bothered me so I voted ALP … I guess I was right …
Landslides either way are a recipe for imbalanced, arrogant governance, TB.
I’m hoping for another hung parliament 🙂
Unfortunately, I think it will be a ‘swung’ parliament!
There’s too much discontent with the ALP for it to be close enough to be hung, probably.
I reckon that Abbott will win in a canter & then go on to overreach & quickly piss people off. Small consolation, because by that stage we’ll be stuck with him/them for a while.
Hahahah, what is it with the right & stupidity?!
Sometimes they’d be better off never opening their mouths in public.
For KL…
http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-women-are-destroying-the-joint/story-fndo4eg9-1226462326339
‘Landslides either way are a recipe for imbalanced…’
The backbenchers on the winning side become unruly, but apart from that its a mandate to rule.
No such thing as a mandate while the fuckers in both Parties are loose with the truth & play electioneering word games, as far as I’m concerned.
We only find out what they’re really gonna do after the lies have been sold/bought & they’re safely over the line.
I reckon that Abbott will win in a canter & then go on to overreach & quickly piss people off. Small consolation, because by that stage we’ll be stuck with him/them for a while
Maybe we need to get it over with, show the younger generation who seem to take the nat/libs at face value what they are really like. They do a good job of hiding their policies until once in power [let’s face it if they were open about them they’d never get elected]. This young conservative generation need to experience and fear them!
The only one daring to say the truth re afghanistan seems to be andrew wilkie, everyone else rushing to keep fighting the unwinnable war. Sorry TB, but I am against the war machine and I am amazed at the carry on about soldiers dying, as if people are shocked and surprised – isn’t this supposed to be a war? I mourn the loss of strong, young lives feeding this war. We have to play by the modern new war rules of occupation, 9 to 5 only, go home each day and no combat expected. Don’t expect the enemy to infiltrate or to hate them for their presence and perhaps their attitudes.
Alan jones, bolt and the other neoliberal spruikers represent all that is wrong with australia today. Wish we could mute his megaphone, but all the political parties are committed to neoliberalism and it’s values of greed & competition. Everyone is so busy being a wage slave, surviving or aspiring that they have no time or energy left to stop and think who is benefiting most and why. Now we have the ‘war on uppity women’ in full force.
Not wishing to interrupt the conversation but…
In Melbourne, apartments built with union labour cost 33% more than those built with non union labour.
Are the chain dragging work practices of construction unions in the public interest?
armchair
So am I. I thought I was the only person on the planet enjoying the unhinging of Liberal, Labor and the embedded media with this minority government think. Lets hope more independents get in next time. Go for the meltdown!
dunny
Stfu? Doesn`t paying your Tax +gst + having to live with all the bullshit these idiot politicians dump on you, State or Fed, entitle you to bitch?
I guess it does. I didn’t think of that.
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What an interesting lot of topics here, fortunately my comments remain just as intelligent, moderate and well informed!
my comments remain just as intelligent, moderate and well informed!
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In Melbourne, apartments built with union labour cost 33% more than those built with non union labour.
there are apartments build without union labour?
Yes.
you have data to back up your claim then?
I had it back then, 6 years ago!
I tried being a Vampyre once, but found it was too Sunny Down Under (and I really like the beaches)
Not sucked in then?
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I had it back then, 6 years ago! …………so?????? Oh, oh = gotcha!
I had it back then, 6 years ago!
That’s what I keep telling my wife 😦
Not sucked in then?
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That’s what I keep telling my wife 😦
LOL!