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August 31, 2012

The restroom ‘out of order’

Hello

And good afternoon. This week's edition of Rostrum comes to you live, yes LIVE! From The "Plaza Premium Lounge" at KL International Airport.

But do not let the impressive sounding name fool you. PPL is a dump. Despite the $128 (Malaysian dollars) entry fee (per person).

Would you believe I have just spent half an hour or so writing this edition of Rostrum only for the entire sorry hell hole to experience a power cut, so down went the computers along with everything else. The power's been out for almost an hour and has only just come back online.

The air conditioner overhead groans like an metal grinder, but the noise doesn't seem to bother the staff who seem more concerned about laughing and giggling amongst themselves oblivious to the state of decay engulfing them.

But that's not all. In most airport lounges, the staff are usually waiting tables, clearing plates and things and generally making things look presentable.

Here I had to wait to use this particular PC because one of the staff was updating her Facebook page on the PCs ordinarily reserved for paying customers. All this while the other waiting staff giggled and looked on.

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The Maitre'd, a big Malaysian Queen, enjoys mincing around lounge area as if he is the star of the show, but blissfully unaware of the piles of plates, cups and glasses that lay piling up on the unattended tables.

The 'restroom' resplendent with the promise of a 'refreshing shower' is similarly neglected. The sink (pictured above) carries a laminated sign lamenting 'out of order.'

I could go on….

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619 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2012 2:50 pm

    That doesn’t look like the first class lounge.

  2. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 31, 2012 3:35 pm

    I think Reb hatez poofterz.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:10 pm

    I think Reb hatez poofterz.

    Satire!! 😆

  4. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:11 pm

    Nicely written by our Asian correspondent, it will turn heads in the travel section.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:12 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/heat-seeking-sidewinder-missile-found-in-house-at-modbury-north/story-fndo4dzn-1226462521401

    What is it with Adelaide??

    Truro, Snowtown and now missiles stored in suburbia!

  6. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:33 pm

    The Chinese picked up Cubbie Station for a good price and Barnaby Joyce is not a happy lad.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:41 pm

    Nicely written by our Asian correspondent, it will turn heads in the travel section.

    I agree, egg, it already has!

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:46 pm

    I see the KL Plaza don’t have many English speaking staff on board:

    “Temporary Out Of Service”

    “We Apologize for Any Inconvience Cause”?”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    so down went the computers along with everything else

    SAVE! SAVE! SAVE! SREB!

    BTW … do Taswegians talk in stereo?

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2012 5:48 pm

    SAVE! SAVE! SAVE! SREB!

    You could always go retro … I can flog sell offer you a lovely pen and journalists pad for below cost … just give me a call … 🙂

  10. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 6:13 pm

    Slight correction, Cubbie Station was picked up at a lucrative price by a Japanese and Chinese consortium, which should make it more palatable.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2012 6:27 pm

    … which should make it more palatable.

    For whom?

    FMD! Try buying a “Cubbie” chunk in either China or Japan …

    This country continues to be controlled by moneyhungry Fuckwits™ (ie Robber Barons!)

    So now TWO foreign countries have control of our nation’s most important, vulnerable and mismanged waterway …

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2012 6:28 pm

    Anyway … Cubbie Station should have been shut down when PENNY WONG was buying up big in 2007-8 ,,,

  13. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 6:31 pm

    My gods TB, you sound like Barnaby.

    My guess is they will turn this cotton farm into a food bowl…food security. Could be wrong, but with the price for cotton depressed they would be mad not to take advantage of some good seasons ahead.

  14. public toilet permalink
    August 31, 2012 6:52 pm

    Interstate greedy mofo’s are fucking up the SA end of the Murray.

  15. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 6:54 pm

    I have some interest in the Lower Lakes, but I’m off to dinner so it will have to wait.

  16. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 31, 2012 7:34 pm

    HSU, AWU, now CFMEU………

    Youz were warned…..

    Unions BOO!!

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2012 7:50 pm

    True, and these people supply about ¾ of the ALP parliamentarians. Teachers provide the remaining ¼.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2012 11:01 pm

    Unions defy Supreme Court orders, but Shorten says the Grocon should accept the umpire’s decision! Some umpire.

    So rather than accepting an order of an actual court of law, Shorten is urging acceptance of illegal and unprotected industrial action.

    Shorten is just another duplicitous lightweight who is urging a company to act against it’s own interests and put up with intimidation and lawlessness. Iain Ross is yet another partisan appointment to the tainted FWA (smart though he may be), and his recommendations are intended only to provide some political cover to the government and the union. It does nothing to advance a reasonable settlement, or orderly industrial behaviour in construction industry workplaces.

    …and this illegal action is by one of the owners of the ALP.
    ——————
    Meanwhile, I see that the liars and speculators continue to congregate at Café Whispers.

    Neil is me, apparently. FFS, Neil should sue those f*ckwits.

  19. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:29 am

    “Meanwhile, I see that the liars and speculators continue to congregate at Café Whispers.”

    Clearly I am out of the loop on this but why are you and Reb banned from that blog? I see a lot of the “old group” there? Is Adrian running things or something? LOL

  20. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:26 am

    It’s where the politically mundane go to bore eachother in safety, Sparta.

  21. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:25 am

    ‘FFS, Neil should sue those f*ckwits.’

    Sancty could draw up the papers.

  22. September 1, 2012 8:25 am

    It’s where the politically mundane go to bore each other in safety, Sparta.

    I thought that was Tampa, Florida?

  23. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:45 am

    Sorry, Gordo, no cigar. There’s talk that Min has studied Law and no right minded man would take her on!!

  24. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:48 am

    Abbott, Hockey, Bishop and Robb want to take a big deep breath and tread very carefully over the next little while.

    All these big policy announcements from Labor can’t be paid for. They’re about recovering the ALP electoral position as quickly as possible after the next election.

    The headlines will be screaming ABBOTT CUTS when it is announced that the schemes won’t proceed. It will be Newman but worse because because Abbott doesn’t have Newman’s appeal.

    But the money’s not there. And they all know it.

  25. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:57 am

    ‘There’s talk that Min has studied Law and no right minded man would take her on!!’

    Bush lawyers have a reputation for being tough.

    ‘Elsewhere this week, the Workplace Relations Minister, Bill Shorten, this week ruled out increasing the dole, although he acknowledged it would be tough getting by on $245 a week.

    ‘Why, he found it hard enough to make ends meet on his ministerial salary, he said.
    Shorten was roundly mocked – unless you’re Kanye West or a Saudi prince, $330,000 a year is generally considered good coin.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/flipflop-and-theres-a-gotcha-moment-20120831-255ib.html#ixzz25AQUZH00

  26. September 1, 2012 9:13 am

    $330,000 a year is generally considered good coin.

    Gordo, I agree. Their pay scale is 170K to 470K for the PM.

  27. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:35 am

    “There’s talk that Min has studied Law and no right minded man would take her on!!”

    Well, I always found her to be pretty damn sweet and inclined to show deference but never found anybody’s ideas that I disagreed with “fearsome” enough to not engage..Still, what is the rift between Joni and Reb?

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:42 am

    Sparta, it’s the great divide between those with intelligence and humour on one side, and those an Cafe Whispers on the other.

  29. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:05 am

    None that I know of with Joni and Reb. Joni wanted something a bit more sensible, Reb wanted something more fun. It’s in Joni’s retirement that the “troubles” began.

    The Cafe aligned themselves with The Political Sword then just started banning anyone who could articulate an opposing view. They keep a couple there “for balance” but most of us have been banned along the way.

    Then Min caught Miglo with Pip at Darling Harbour and all hell broke loose. It seems Pip lost.

  30. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:14 am

    Now it’s a case of everyone dogpiled together in a minorpissigloo of self affirmation.

  31. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:16 am

    Haha, yeah, crazy old burnt out Clint was talking to an empty chair in Florida, or something.

  32. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:36 am

    Toilet the wave (nay tsunami) of horrified tweets about the Clint Eastwood thing made me look. If you take out the flagsturbation (which isn’t exactly peculiar to one side over there) the address was quite funny. From reports, I’d thought he spent 10 minutes talking to a chair. That wasn’t the case at all.

    For those Republicans (in the Australian sense) who want a directly elected President in this country, look at the US of A and think deeply about it.

  33. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:04 am

    Yeah, but still, let’s get rid of the monarchy. I’m noone’s subject, least of all that bag of bones in the UK.

    Point taken about the absurd nature of US presidential election campaigns.

  34. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:18 am

    “Now it’s a case of everyone dogpiled together in a minorpissigloo of self affirmation.”

    Why am I not surprised…

  35. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:20 am

    “Point taken about the absurd nature of US presidential election campaigns.”

    It has been downright painful listening to these tools campaign for the past 2 years..6 months is one thing but if this is the new normal; Jesus…

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:28 am

    Sancty could draw up the papers.

    Can, James, draw?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For those Republicans (in the Australian sense) who want a directly elected President in this country, look at the US of A and think deeply about it.</i.

    Well this Republican never did … Parliament was a much better idea … I might remind you that the second question was a decietful ploy by John Howard to muddy the real question …

    Should Australia become a Republic? (at the time 80% of Australians were for)

    After that was established the question of process should have been a question of public debate …

    And after the "antics" of the third in line to the throne and supposedly an officer (he's a captain in the Army Air Corp) and "gentleman" to boot, involving drugs, prostitutes and gambling … one would wonder why anyone would think that, "The Firm", has any role/place in the 21st Century …

    … they are no different to anyone on the street except for money and a misguided role in history … and for goodness sake, the British (Australian) Royal Family are, in fact, German .. 🙄

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:28 am

    For those Republicans (in the Australian sense) who want a directly elected President in this country, look at the US of A and think deeply about it.

    Well this Republican never did … Parliament was a much better idea … I might remind you that the second question was a decietful ploy by John Howard to muddy the real question …

    Should Australia become a Republic? (at the time 80% of Australians were for)

    After that was established the question of process should have been a question of public debate …

    And after the “antics” of the third in line to the throne and supposedly an officer (he’s a captain in the Army Air Corp) and “gentleman” to boot, involving drugs, prostitutes and gambling … one would wonder why anyone would think that, “The Firm”, has any role/place in the 21st Century …

    … they are no different to anyone on the street except for money and a misguided role in history … and for goodness sake, the British (Australian) Royal Family are, in fact, German ..

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:29 am

    I give up! No I don’t!

    For those Republicans (in the Australian sense) who want a directly elected President in this country, look at the US of A and think deeply about it.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:29 am

    !

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:47 am

    They talk about current political issues at Café Whispers, like-
    • Howard’s economic policies
    • Workchoices
    • What Howard has said lately
    • That Howard went to an election proposing an ETS
    • Why the media is to blame for the government’s unpopularity

    Mind you, they don’t talk much about Howard’s policy on asylum seekers lately.

  41. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 12:11 pm

    That’s how I voted, Toilet and TB. It’s the direct election mob that fcked it.

    As for Harry, he got nude in Vegas. Good on him. Should be mandatory. And the person who took and sold the photos is the one that should be up for public judgement. Name him and shame him I say.

  42. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 12:13 pm

    Can, James, draw?

    No.

  43. Meta permalink
    September 1, 2012 12:32 pm

    No policy, err, no comment, err, don’t mention the firmwares…

    If I was running al-Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008, and pray, as many times as possible, for a victory not only for Obama, but also for the Democrats.

  44. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 12:59 pm

    Assuming the Abbott team captures the treasury benches this time next year and the senate blocks his reforms, he would have to bring on a DD.

    If tabit sits on his hands and fails to act then Barnaby, a newly elected member of the lower house, would have to usurp him.

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 1:03 pm

    I beginning to think the ALP actually WANT to lose the next election!

    🙄 They allow Cubbie to be sold (and I agree, egg, they will eventually swap to food) …

    🙄 Shorten tells Grocon to abide by the umpire’s decision … while the CFMEU ignores a High Court ruling …

  46. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 1:20 pm

    Well, TB, they’ve sure as hell given up on winning it!! There’s a fair bit of talk today about clearing the decks for an announcement, Laura Tingle being one of them. Certainly seems like it with some of these big policy announcements that have no hope of being funded. Abbott being wedged.

    Does he have the bottle to look the electorate in the eye and say “No” to some of these populist policies? I think he should respect the electorate enough to do so. It’s all about the second term.

  47. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 1:31 pm

    This is an old speech from Abbott on the environment…

    ‘The political left shouldn’t be seen as “owning” the environment (it’s too important for that) and I am determined to challenge any assumption that it does. Conservative political parties and the conservationist movement both want to preserve what’s best in our heritage.

    ‘Different emphases notwithstanding, they have a shared respect for the natural order of things. It was, after all, the Fraser Government (not the Whitlam or the Hawke governments) that protected the Barrier Reef and Fraser Island, established the Kakadu National Park, ended Australian whaling and saved Antarctica from development.

    ‘It was the Howard Government (not the current one) that led the campaign against Japanese whaling, established mandatory renewable energy targets for the power industry, and committed $10 billion to restoring the Murray-Darling basin.’

  48. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 1:33 pm

    “Mandatory renewable energy targets”

    Fkn idiots.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 2:09 pm

    Just on another topic, I’d like to offer a very thoughtful and insightful, quite personal piece from helen razer on the most recent social media controversy.

    http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/trolls-fame-and-blame-helen-razer-on-charlotte-dawson/

    …And I hope that somewhere the daughters that Charlotte and I never got around to having are preparing to enter a world where loudmouth ladies are just loudmouth ladies and not women who asked to be beaten down…

    At the very end of the article is my quoted paragraph above and that has led to me asking the question:
    Why it is so acceptable for male loudmouths like alan jones, the bolter and others to be obnoxious and annoying, even lauded in our society by the powerful and influential, but their female counterparts have to be viciously stomped upon and preyed upon? [quite often led by those same male loudmouths].

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 2:48 pm

    Why it is so acceptable for male loudmouths like alan jones …

    You don’t have to look far for the “alternative” though, KL … Gina Rhinheart is not exactly “quiet” … and Germaine Greer ain’t exactly “nice” …

  51. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 2:48 pm

    ‘Male loudmouths’ is subjective and sexist, others might think of them as heroes in the face of adversity.

    Males are generally more forceful because of genetic programming…

  52. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 2:52 pm

    “Mandatory renewable energy targets”

    Yep…sucked in.

    When this monstrous fraud is eventually exposed, heads will roll and become a lawyers feast.

  53. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:06 pm

    ‘The advent of horizontal drilling has famously combined with the older hydraulic fracking technique to bring about a revolution in the global energy industry (outside the EU that is, for within the Union poverty generation dominates the political agenda).

    ‘So while European consumers worry about their energy bills, in North America, the glut of shale gas has caused a collapse in gas prices, to the extent that few in the gas industry can now make money.’

    Bishop Hill

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:14 pm

    I beginning to think the ALP actually WANT to lose the next election!

    The ALP talk big on education and training but are obviously slow learners themselves … selling off assets in Queensland is what brought the bLie government down …

    Now the Federal Government is selling off our most precious asset – real estate!

    And Abbott agrees!

    Morons the lot of them …

  55. Details Details permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:24 pm

    The farm … went into receivership in 2009 with debts of $300 million

    The $320 million cotton station has been under administration for three years, with the government unable to find an Australian buyer.

    A consortium negotiating the sale will be 80 per cent controlled by Chinese textile company Shandong RuYi.

    Australian family-owned wool group Lempriere will hold 20 per cent.

    Mr Swan said the approval was only given on the condition that RuYi sell down its stake to 51 per cent within three years.

    The government also secured “undertakings” from the consortium to offer jobs to all current employees as well as “arms length” management of cotton sales and water extraction and use, which would continue to be subject to government regulation.

    “The government welcomes foreign investment in Australia and continues to ensure that investments are consistent with Australia’s national interest,” Mr Swan said.

    http://www.news.com.au/business/companies/labor-to-sell-the-farm/story-fnda1bsz-1226462753550#ixzz25Bzxo1K0

  56. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:29 pm

    Channeling the Bolter…there is talk that Julia is planning an early election because of rumblings from within and she aims to ward off an imminent coup.

    The rumours stem from the reevaluation of the CO2 floor price and offer of free dental care for the down trodden baby boomers….a sweetener at this time of the political cycle is uncharacteristic.

    Just sayin’.

  57. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:35 pm

    ‘Concerns have been raised over the Government’s approval of a foreign bid for Australia’s largest cotton farm, with Nationals senator Barnaby Joyce labelling it “a disgrace”.

    ABC

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:51 pm

    Lotsa wishful thinking … DD … I read the same article this morning … you are aware of the meaning of 51% in a business as big as Cubbie …?

    It should have been BOUGHT UP & CLOSED DOWN by the Federal Government … if they were really interested in managing the environment … and I find it really hard to understand why it was only sold for $320 million (and no Australian consortium was interested … or at least a Western consortium) …

    The Chinese don’t invade developed countries with their military machine … they do it covertly via commercial capture …

  59. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:51 pm

    Abbott could use one of Mitt’s lines…

    “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the
    oceans.
    (LAUGHTER)

    “And to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your
    family.”
    (APPLAUSE)

    Mitt Romney

  60. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 3:55 pm

    ‘…they do it covertly via commercial capture …’

    Its tons better than WW3….

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:01 pm

    Its tons better than WW3….

    Absolutely … until our succesors suddenly realise we buggered it up … and they have to learn Cantonese or the Quran … 😯

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:05 pm

    or at least a Western consortium

    I am glad you said that. I would be called waacist if I had made that statement.

    I think the ALP are very good at getting people to believe in something they are not more so than the Coalition.

    We recently heard the ALP scrapped a Howard govt dental scheme. If the Coalition had scraped this scheme they would have got a lecture from the ALP and its supporters that they had stripped $1B from health.

    But perhaps Swan sold cubby because we are in desperate need of the money.

  63. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:06 pm

    Mandarin should be taught in schools as our second language, drop the French and German.

  64. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:09 pm

    ‘But perhaps Swan sold cubby because we are in desperate need of the money.’

    Doubtful, its more likely strategic considerations.

  65. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:23 pm

    Pensioners in the UK and Australia are suffering the same fate, struggling to support their children and grandchildren.

    ‘It highlights how pensioners are ‘caught in a vice’ between high inflation and record low interest rates.

    ‘At the same time, increasing numbers of pensioners are finding the ‘bank of granny and granddad’ has become a safety net for younger generations struggling in the recession.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196625/Bank-granny-granddad-goes-bust-Pensioner-insolvencies-record-high.html#ixzz25CEZoT1S

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:24 pm

    Neil … go and play …

  67. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:33 pm

    ‘Romney claims renminbi is kept artificially cheap, giving Chinese exports an unfair advantage over US goods.

    He ‘has vowed several times during the campaign that he would label China a “currency manipulator” on his first day in office if he’s elected.’

    China Daily

    These elections have politicised the China question.

  68. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:51 pm

    ‘Neil … go and play …’

    That’s ageist and I did note your unwarranted snide remarks on Noddy at the cafe.

  69. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:57 pm

    Thanks for ceding (sic?) 2nd spot so easily, handbagz.

    Two home finals for the Crows!

  70. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 4:57 pm

    Eastwooding………Snigger..

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:02 pm

    hehe

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:10 pm

    http://twitpic.com/appf55

  73. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:33 pm

    ‘Stewart told the Tampa crowd that in New York City, it’s not uncommon to see old men yelling at inanimate objects, but generally it does not happen on stage at political conventions.’

    hehe

  74. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:39 pm

    The game was conceded when Reid and Nick Smith were rested, Toilet.

    No Grundy will hurt, but I reckon we’ll be ok. Whoever has the job on Dangerfield won’t sleep much this week.

  75. public toilet permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:48 pm

    Handbagz are rooted next week.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:48 pm

    That’s ageist and I did note your unwarranted snide remarks on Noddy at the cafe.

    … and when did you put on the sherriff’s badge, egg? Playing poster policeman now …?

    What’s ageist about, “go and play”, no-one mentioned age … except you? (I won’t tell you what I removed from that comment – you’d probably accuse me of being sexist if I did)

    Noddy, is only playing at silly comments here and at CW?

    … and what was unwarranted or snide about my comment at CW … most of Noddy’s comments are so blindingly childish … of course I’ll comment on such ignorant statements as …

    … “there have only been Liberal government’s recently … ” and ” I only became interested in politics … in 2007 …”

    If that’s true he needs to do a bit more learning before commenting from the Liberal Party chat-room sheet and badmouthing anyone or anything with any support for the ALP … and calling me personally a liar … I didn’t see you chastising, Noddy, for that!

    Noddy, doesn’t have a free right to dish it out and not take some back … that’s how it works, egg …

    Fkn ageist, my arse …

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 5:51 pm

    Am I the only person here who does not give a flying fuck about the American Republican Presidential Nominations?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BRONCOS 19 —— Panthers 12 …

    I think we’re IN!

    All we need to do now is learn how to play good football again!

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:05 pm

    Well I see I have started a discussion.

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:13 pm

    That’s ageist and I did note your unwarranted snide remarks on Noddy at the cafe.

    And he deserves every one of the remarks, neil is a one-eyed lib/nat barracker who comes here for no other purpose than to spout liberal HQ propaganda and talking points, I would not be surprised if he is paid by to do so. He is not interested in genuine debate at all, which is why most of us don’t bother anymore. If you ask anything remotely inquiring or critical of his beloved libfibbers, he simply reverts to his version of “the three wise monkeys”.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:20 pm

    You know Kiittyltter

    You are indeed a leftist.

    You demonise anybody who does not have your opinion. You are a natural totalitarian.

    I really believe that if you had the power you would kill anybody who does not share your beliefs.

    And that is my honest belief.

  81. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:24 pm

    ‘…and calling me personally a liar … I didn’t see you chastising, Noddy, for that!’

    I didn’t see it, but I agree there is no need for that sort of language.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:24 pm

    Well I see I have started a discussion.

    Nup! egg, did … it could go badly for you though … LibNits supporters who just don’t get … satire, humour, sarcasm, irony …

    And for the record ALL POLITICIANS ARE FUCKWITS™ anyone who thinks otherwise should NOT BE VOTING!

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:30 pm

    You know Kiittyltter

    You are indeed a leftist.

    You demonise anybody who does not have your opinion. You are a natural totalitarian.

    And now you think you may have support from, egg … you fly your true nasty, malicious, colours … just as Noddy Newman has done in Queensland and just as Tony Abbot would do in Canberra …

    Totalitarian you say … and you are using words like … demonise … whoever damaged your intellect must have been …

    I really believe that if you had the power you would kill anybody who does not share your beliefs.

    And that is my honest belief.

    Well, SHERRIFF?

    As, Wally, ToM, James, et al would say … what is it with Liberals and killing …

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:33 pm

    I really believe that if you had the power you would kill anybody who does not share your beliefs.

    That is not only one of the most awful sentences I have read on this (or any other blog) it is distasteful, unwarranted and reeks of a twisted mind … absolutely disgusting!

  85. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:35 pm

    ‘… and when did you put on the sherriff’s badge, egg? Playing poster policeman now …?’

    No, its not my bag, Sparta’s comments had me thinking and James filled out some blog history. Which I found illuminating.

    As for Neil, he deserves the right of reply on an alien blog.

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:40 pm

    I really believe that if you had the power you would kill anybody who does not share your beliefs.

    And that is my honest belief.

    honest belief and you are stangers neil

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:40 pm

    stangers = strangers

  88. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:41 pm

    ‘Well, SHERRIFF?’

    Yes…that comment was badly worded, but in a democracy he’s entitled to an ‘honest belief’.

  89. September 1, 2012 6:48 pm

    Am I the only person here who does not give a flying fuck about the American Republican Presidential Nominations?

    Most of us watch this coz it is a window into the future of our politics Queen-TB. Did you know John-W Howard was at Tampa? Ask your-self `why`? Folk talking about an Aussie republic Dunny, need to watch what they are championing. Your 2nd class citizen status would fall even lower in an Aussie republican Corporatocracy, as they are the 1st class here already.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:54 pm

    Yes…that comment was badly worded, but in a democracy he’s entitled to an ‘honest belief’.

    But I’m not?

    Welcome to Liberal Logik … also known as HYPOCRISY … all you had to say was “that comment was badly worded” … but no, you continued, to “justify” the little pricks awfulness – typical Private Schoolboy bullying …

    … its like living in the fkn 50’s again … don’t you arseholes learn anything from history or is it that you think that eventually you’ll come to power no matter what and then who gives a fk!

    Let me try again … egg

    What Neil posted was disgusting and bullying … wasn’t it?

    This is a political thread that you have just turned into a personal abuse thread!

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 6:57 pm

    As for Neil, he deserves the right of reply on an alien blog.

    What alien blog, he’s been crapping on this place since the beginning and in tim dunlop’s days. You can go for as much right of reply as you like, I prefer not to engage with his sophistry and outright misrepresentation, there is no point to it.

    However, there’s a certain comfort in neil coming, knowing some things just never change. he’s a comfortable fit, just like your oldest and smelliest shoes, kept just for walking through manure or other dirty jobs.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:02 pm

    073 …

    I do know that … and yes I did know that Johnny B Goode was there picking up hints for The Monk … but it really is so fkn boring and we really have no control over the abuse that JH will bring back and play with … only the Noddy’s of this world ..

    As for a Republic … I don’t quite understand what you are getting at … The Robber Barons rule all democracies (always have) … getting rid of the biggest one would be a real help in the land of Corporatocracy (ie all Western democracies) … kings and queens belong in fairy tales – or Penang Airport – ask sreb … 😉 … where are you now cobber?)

  93. Gran Ol Party permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:07 pm

    There was nothing surer than Eastwood’s speech would see the haterz turn on him. Sad. I’ve still got a soft spot for Clint though. 😉

    http://blogocrats.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/a-review-of-gran-torino-featuring-clint-eastwood/

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:10 pm

    This is a political thread that you have just turned into a personal abuse thread!

    He likes to load the ammo for others to fire, also tries to ‘rally’ the troops whenever possible – don’t you hear the bugle Tb?

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:13 pm

    Ah, do, KL, here’s ToSY with a “look over there” … while a simple apology (or two) would clear the air … have you noticed its usually only those who claim to be “left” that will apologise on this, or any other blog …

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:16 pm

    Anyway I have to leave soon … I shall return in 12 days … (alarms, security, dogs, family, neighbours and cameras are all on high alert … this time!)

  97. Sorry state of affairs permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:17 pm

    (It’s not a “look over there”, this is an open thread. But if we’re demanding apologies, how about you apologise for calling me a plagiarist?)

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:24 pm

    FMD … ToSY … what did I do … when? I confess to not knowing? was it in joke? Elighten me please …

    BTW I know it wasn’t a ‘look over there” … as I say a lack of humopur abounds amongst the right of thread posters ..

  99. Fuhgeddaboudit! permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:30 pm

    “as I say a lack of humopur abounds amongst the right of thread posters ..”

    Projection? 😯

    (If you genuinely don’t know, and I’ll happily take your word for it, it might be because I don’t bang on and on about it when someone “offends” me.) 😉

  100. September 1, 2012 7:31 pm

    As for a Republic … I don’t quite understand what you are getting at … The Robber Barons rule all democracies (always have) … getting rid of the biggest one would be a real help in the land of Corporatocracy (ie all Western democracies) … kings and queens belong in fairy tales

    Isuspect you`re wrong. Seems to me, Rupert and Gina interfere with with much more stuff. Liz doesn`t seem to interfere, just ceremonial. Presidents seem to interfere all over th place and in everything.

  101. Fuhgeddaboudit! permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:33 pm

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:33 pm

    Why don’t we leave it there, no apology asked for and none necessary, it was just neil, being a boor as per usual, nothing more.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:39 pm

    just neil, being a boor as per usual, nothing more. and egg scrambled opinions as usual …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToSY … if I offended you a genuine apology … but I assure you never done deliberately … maybe in jest … FYI, I see you a little like Toillette and me but to the right more …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    703 … some history … I was born in Yorkshire … look up its history with London and the wankers born to rule …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Gotta go … catch up if they have the interwebby thingy where I’m going!

  104. Luxury! permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:41 pm

    No problems TB. 😉

  105. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:41 pm

    Thanks Kitty.

  106. Luxury! permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:45 pm

  107. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 7:45 pm

    ‘…and egg scrambled opinions as usual …’

    Surely not. Just recently you praised my opinions and I dispute your argument that the right don’t understand irony.

  108. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:08 pm

    I have apologised many times when I have got something wrong and I am not of Teh Left.

    And I don’t see anything in Neil’s reply to Kittylitter that’s any worse than than what it was responding to.

  109. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:27 pm

    ‘Deputy National Party leader Barnaby Joyce demanded Mr Swan reveal the shareholder list of the Chinese company, accusing it of being an arm of the Chinese government: “I absolutely and utterly disagree with this. I’ve got no problem with the Chinese being clever. I’ve got an issue with our government being stupid.

    “What this says is that the Foreign Investment Review Board is in a mess and is simply not interested in protecting the national interest.”

    Daily Telegraph

  110. September 1, 2012 8:44 pm

    Barnaby Goose would have no problem with this Gordo, if they, the John-W regime was still in power and they were allowing it.

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:55 pm

    …You demonise anybody who does not have your opinion. You are a natural totalitarian.
    I really believe that if you had the power you would kill anybody who does not share your beliefs…

    …And I don’t see anything in Neil’s reply to Kittylitter that’s any worse than than what it was responding to.

    well, just to debate that misrepresentation [and perhaps sly dig] of james, where would be the evidence to support the view stated by neil?

    he was responding to my post @ armchair opinionator
    September 1, 2012 6:13 pm

    Where is my comment not an accurate description of neil’s entire commenting history and style here?

  112. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:55 pm

    Actually, 730, Barnaby was much loved by the Lefties for his tendency to speak out against the Government when Howard was in power.

  113. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:59 pm

    You accused him of being a paid plant.You said he was not interested in genuine debate. It was not unreasonable for him in reply to label you a natural totalitarian. You are one.

  114. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:02 pm

    Mrs Howard has faith in Barnaby and I share her expectations. The people demand to see the shareholder list, so that we can satisfy ourselves they are not an arm of the Chinese government.

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:17 pm

    You accused him of being a paid plant.

    No, I didn’t, I said I would not be surprised if he was, not the same. And go back over all his comment history [or, just his more recent ones] and you could see that any reasonable person could draw the same conclusions.

    You said he was not interested in genuine debate.

    he’s not, and that shows by his commenting history and responses, as do yours most often, you seek to misrepresent and argue by sophistry and semantics rather than honest debate.

    It was not unreasonable for him in reply to label you a natural totalitarian.

    You are one.

    Not true at all, and totally unfounded. I express my opinions as do you and everyone else, why am I labelled so and not all you others?

    In fact you capitalist grovellers would be espousing the traits of totalitarianism much more more than myself.

  116. September 1, 2012 9:22 pm

    Actually, 730, Barnaby was much loved by the Lefties
    and others
    for his tendency to
    quackery and comedy
    speak out against the Government when Howard was in power.
    AWB-?, Iraq-?, Gitmo-?, Habib-?, Haneef-?, Hicks-?, and a fine job he did too.

  117. Prague Spring permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:35 pm

    All this talk of totalitarianism got me to thinking about the Memorial to the Victims of Communism in Prague.

    ‘It shows seven bronze figures descending a flight of stairs. The statues appear more “decayed” the further away they are from you – losing limbs and their bodies breaking open. It symbolises how political prisoners were affected by Communism.

    ‘There is also a bronze strip that runs along the centre of the memorial, showing estimated numbers of those impacted by communism:
    205,486 arrested
    170,938 forced into exile
    4,500 died in prison
    327 shot trying to escape
    248 executed

    ‘The bronze plaque nearby reads: “The memorial to the victims of communism is dedicated to all victims not only those who were jailed or executed but also those whose lives were ruined by totalitarian despotism”‘

  118. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:38 pm

    “Capitalist grovellers”. Everyone who expresses a view different to yours is an “-ist”. A racist, a mysoginist, a capitalist, in fact at some point or another, you have labelled me all of these things, when in fact I am none of them.

    You have been opposed to me for years online yet you still know or understand nothing about me. A capitalist? Just because I oppose Communism and Socialism does not make me a Capitalist. I oppose that as well. I have exposed more of my personal life than pretty well anyone on here yet you still come to that conclusion? It’s your lack of capacity to read and understand that makes you a totalitarian. That and your neat little pigeonholing.

  119. Praha-ism permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:42 pm

    http://twitpic.com/6rywdz

  120. September 1, 2012 9:46 pm

    All this talk of totalitarianism got me to thinking about the Victims of americanism in Vietnam and Iraq.
    Why isn`t there bronze plaque somewhere that reads,
    The memorial to the victims of americanism is dedicated to all victims not only those who were killed or displaced but also those whose lives were ruined by despotic americanism.

  121. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:47 pm

    730, you wrote that Barnaby would not have opposed the sale of Cubbie Station if Howard had been in power.

    You’re wrong.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/The-power-of-one-in-the-bush/2005/04/15/1113509927310.html

  122. Moratorium Marxists permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:57 pm

    Yes it’s convenient for keyboard philosophers to put the Vietnam war down to some abstract notion of “americanism”, whereas non-partisan students of history will tell you Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and the Soviet Union during the Cold War. (Which might tell you a thing or two about why leftists were so opposed to it: it was a war against their ideological heroes, the USSR.

  123. September 1, 2012 10:02 pm

    730, you wrote that Barnaby would not have opposed the sale of Cubbie Station if Howard had been in power.
    Your Link is nonsense. .. No-where does link say Barnaby voted on selling cubby to foreigners.

  124. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:07 pm

    I doubt the Iraqis are complaining about the Yanks……at least, they shouldn’t be.

    http://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&idim=country:IRQ&dl=en&hl=en&q=iraq+gdp

    A fair few less people are being killed too…….if that matters.

  125. Under the bed permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:07 pm

    *it was a war against their ideological heroes, the USSR
    and the People’s Republic of China.

  126. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:09 pm

    Less nonsense than your allegation that Barnaby would’ve had a different view on Cubbie Station if Howard were PM. Anyone with any sense of recent political history would know that is bullshit. If Howard had wanted to sell Cubbie Station to the Chinese Barnaby would have gone ballistic, and I challenge any of the lefties who have been following politics since pre 2007 to say differently.

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:14 pm

    You have been opposed to me for years online yet you still know or understand nothing about me. A capitalist? Just because I oppose Communism and Socialism does not make me a Capitalist.

    You see, this is where you and neil become so personal with your commentary. I haven’t been opposed to you personally, opposed to your point of view, yes and I will argue mine [with a lot more evidence provided to back it up]. I don’t make it personal, I don’t feel a need to put you down.
    I don’t rush in to attack you as soon as there is some perceived opportunity to sink the slipper. I don’t bother about the sly digs and innuendo anymore, I’m not interested in expending that much energy on an ideological battle where dishonesty, obfuscation, accusation and misrepresentation come masquerading as debate.

    It’s your lack of capacity to read and understand that makes you a totalitarian.

    What total rubbish, even if that were true, that I couldn’t read or understand anything, why would that make me a totalitarian? unreal, another completely irrational argument. I now wonder if you even know what a totalitarian is!

    It is your utter illogical thinking and deliberate misrepresentations that pigeonholes yourself.

  128. Half passed permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:16 pm

    730reportland revealed him/herself as a lightweight when it resorted to abuse against Sparta of Phoenix. It’s “arguments” only serve to reinforce the fact.

  129. September 1, 2012 10:16 pm

    notion of “americanism”, whereas non-partisan students of history will tell you Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
    Bullshit. No those history student won`t.
    They all would have seen McNamara`s doco,
    the fog of war
    by now and would realize imbeciles are the only ones arguing that shit.

  130. Half pissed permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:21 pm

    ‘imbeciles’

    Need I say more?

  131. September 1, 2012 10:22 pm

    ‘Barnaby would’ve had a different view on Cubbie Station if Howard were PM. Anyone with any sense of recent political history would know that is bullshit. If Howard had wanted to sell Cubbie Station to the Chinese Barnaby would have gone ballistic,’
    Made a shit-Load of noise, and then voted the way John-W told him, just like the rest of the Nats.

  132. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:24 pm

    Kittylitter, you have called me a capitalist, tonight, despite any analysis of my contributions over the years evidencing otherwise. Totalitarians justify their conduct by demonising their opponents, which is what you do with your “-ists”.

  133. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:26 pm

    Well all he’s doing now is making a shitload of noise.

    El Gordo quoted words that he said. You said it would be different under Howard. I think I have shown it wouldn’t. Next time do your research. And give yourself a fkn name FFS. 730reportland is a ridiculous way to have to address someone.

  134. Willo permalink
    September 1, 2012 10:32 pm

    Choco’s going to the Tiges!? 😯

  135. September 1, 2012 10:56 pm

    “Barnaby Goose would have no problem with this Gordo, if they, the John-W regime was still in power and they were allowing it.”
    This seems to be what bothers ya.
    Update.
    Barnaby Goose would do as John-W would tell him. Including, but not limited to, staying `on-message` and off Qanda and away from the media, and voting as told. Again, Awb?, Hicks?, Haneef?

  136. Useful Idjits permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:02 pm

    ‘Hicks’

    Guffaw.

  137. Haw haw permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:08 pm

    (*Guffaw* is an acceptable “argument” in certain quarters, apparently. 😉 )

  138. September 1, 2012 11:15 pm

    Dear Armchair, please stop using IST-words in our cult of Corporatology. It damages the Theaten levels of our devoted worshippers. Continual fact-telling will unhinge our inner sanctym and unbalance our scales.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:29 pm

    Dear Armchair, please stop using IST-words in our cult of Corporatology

    Yes, it is an argument to curtail my freedom of speech, censorship.

    Kittylitter, you have called me a capitalist,…

    You accused me of being a natural totalitarian, and that is patently untrue. I didn’t realise capitalist was such an insult, gee I should get much more upset when I am continually accused of being a communist, a totalitarian, a watermelon, having a lack of capacity to read and understand etc.

    I will assume that you won’t be voting for any of the neoliberal, pro capitalist parties then, like Labor or Liberal?

    I still think you are [over] reaching, you were spoiling for a free kick and it is personal with you, it always has been. Which is why you rushed in [inappropriately] to defend neil when TB and el gordo were having a spat about it.

    BTW TB, I hope you have a fantastic holiday, happy travels, lots of good times and good company!

    Barnaby Goose would do as John-W would tell him.

    Of course he would, and has, and he’ll do whatever abbott tells him, otherwise he’d be an independent. He might even cross the floor as a token protest for the country folk he supposedly represents [as long as they have the numbers and it doesn’t matter].

    What has barnaby done to prevent the sale? It is privately owned isn’t it? Where are barnaby’s calls for an australian consortium of buyers over the last three years? Surely there’s enough wealth in australian business to rake up 300 million, he’s got miner mates as well – why should he expect the taxpayer to stump up for cubbie?

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2012 11:38 pm

    (*Guffaw* is an acceptable “argument” in certain quarters, apparently. )

    j’accuse! you are a guffaw-ist 😉

  141. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:12 am

    ‘Of course he would, and has, and he’ll do whatever abbott tells him, otherwise he’d be an independent.’

    Bullshit to that, Tony Abbott’s totally in favour of selling Cubbie to the Chinese and Barnaby is not because he thinks the new owners are probably in the pay of big communist government…not that there is anything wrong with that. They are different capitalists.

  142. Tony permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:39 am

    The Aircraft and Spacecraft of Neil Armstrong’s Career . . .

    http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/08/neil-armstrong-aircraft/

  143. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 9:13 am

    ‘It is official at last: Britain is not at risk from unidentified flying objects.
    Those who have long feared an invasion from Mars or further afield can relax – at least, that is, if they believe the Ministry of Defence.

    ‘An end has been ordered to all official investigations of Unidentified Flying Objects, or UFOs, after the ministry ruled they do not pose a threat to the nation’s security.

    ‘It comes as the head of UK Air Traffic Control admitted the country is visited by around one unidentified flying object a month.

    ‘Asked on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about the existence of UFOs, Mr Deakin confirmed they were still being seen by his staff.’

    UK Telegraph

  144. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 9:14 am

    Here’s Barnaby Joyce talking about foreign ownership of land back in March. Granted he wasn’t talking about Cubbie Station specifically, maybe he didn’t know a sale to China was on the cards. In any event, his opinions on the issue are clear, long held, and not expressed in a different way according to whichever his target is.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/barnaby-joyce-breaks-ranks-over-foreign-ownership-of-farmland-20120315-1v8db.html

  145. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 9:18 am

    Barnaby doesn’t do spin, he’s a charismatic leader of the agrarian socialists.

  146. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 9:19 am

    Kittylitter, on reading my contributions last night I came across more aggressively than intended. In truth, I don’t think Neil’s contributions are any more partisan than others and I don’t think he deserves to get mocked the way he always is on this board. I expressed it poorly and it wound up in an attack on you.

    I don’t really shy away from what I said, but the way it was expressed and the personal nature of it leaves me somewhat uncomfortable. So I apologise.

  147. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 9:54 am

    ‘I don’t think he deserves to get mocked the way he always is on this board.’

    Or in that other place, it was TBs comment which created this small brush fire and I support the proposition that we treat Noddy as an equal and not somebody wet behind the ears to be mocked.

    According to the UK Mail…wisdom is quantifiable and comes with age.

  148. September 2, 2012 10:23 am

    1- Nationals senator Barnaby Joyce is pushing for even tougher restrictions on foreign ownership of farmland and agribusinesses than those 2- advocated by his party, 3- fuelling Liberal anger at Tony Abbott’s failure to rein in National Party ”freelancing” on sensitive economic issues.

    OK For those who think the media get the full story, sancty, consider. 1- Barnaby is making noise to the media, big deal. NIPNIP
    2- Warren Truss is not backing Barnaby, nor Nat party.
    3- Mr-Rabbit doesn`t have to rein in National Party ”freelancing” on, anything really. NIP-NIP not in parliament – not in power
    Truss and Mr-Rabbit both disagree with Barnaby, the 1st paragraph tells most of the story, the rest of the post is the explainer.

  149. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 10:59 am

    Your falsehood, 730, was that Barnaby would not have made the same comments about Cubbie Station had it been a Howard sale. My truth as demonstrated by a number of links which give a crystal clear view of Barnaby Joyce’s history on the subject, is that you are demonstrably wrong.

  150. September 2, 2012 11:35 am

    You do realize my comment @September 2, 2012 10:23 am,
    is the first paragraph of YOUR smh link @Sept 2, 2012 9:14 am ??

    It too is nonsense, as is any Link you drop dated after 2007.
    Opposition noise is worthless. Did Barnaby/Nats ever not do as told?

    Armchair got it, first go.

    Barnaby Goose would do as John-W would tell him.

    Of course he would, and has, and he’ll do whatever abbott tells him, otherwise he’d be an independent. He might even cross the floor as a token protest for the country folk he supposedly represents [as long as they have the numbers and it doesn’t matter].

    What has barnaby done to prevent the sale? It is privately owned isn’t it? Where are barnaby’s calls for an australian consortium of buyers over the last three years?

  151. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 12:26 pm

    Barnaby Joyce has crossed the floor on three occasions when John Howard was in Government. How many Labor members have done so since 2007? Your accusations are empty. The issue of foreign ownership of Cubbie Station is only a recent one. Of course there aren’t public comments over 3 years. There may be, but I can’t be bothered looking them up for you.

    Barnaby Joyce has been entirely consistent on the issue of foreign ownership. And outspoken.

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 12:40 pm

    It’s he nature of the political philosophy. The ALP is based on collective strength and transgressors against the collective are seen as scabs and traitors. Sometimes the ALP allows individuals to speak openly behind closed doors, before the collective has determined a position, but not after.

    Conservatives, by definition, are more tolerant of individualism.

    The ALP has a rich history of punishing anyone who speaks against a collective decision. It really is pointless for ALP supporters to argue that it’s any different to this.

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 12:41 pm

    “It’s the nature”

  154. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 1:30 pm

    Barnaby is a ‘bush populist’.

    ‘Joyce’s arrival in 2005 was a game-changer in Coalition relations. The bush populist was on a mission to restore the distinct identity of the Nats. The Joyce philosophy was that Nationals should dance with the people who brought them to Canberra, to a tune selected by those people.

    ‘Joyce fractured the settled pact by changing the internal dynamic within the Nationals.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/will-joyce-have-abbott-dancing-to-the-bush-populists-tune-20120805-23nqg.html#ixzz25HNygtac

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:34 pm

    In truth, I don’t think Neil’s contributions are any more partisan than others and I don’t think he deserves to get mocked the way he always is on this board.

    Obviously myself and TB think differently, we see him as a partisan stooge.

    Neil does enough mocking of his own. neil’s contributions are completely and unashamedly partisan. There is no attempt to reason or debate the issue other than to rattle off the liberal party spin. neil believes the liberal party can do nothing bad and the labor party can do nothing good. neil is pig headed, obstinately persistent and defiant in the face of all and any overwhelming evidence against the liberal spin. According to neil, if the labor party says something, that’s a reason for him not to believe it.

    Kittylitter, on reading my contributions last night I came across more aggressively than intended…

    …I don’t really shy away from what I said, but the way it was expressed and the personal nature of it leaves me somewhat uncomfortable.

    Is that another of those not-really-an-apology, apologies!

    I thought it was completely unnecessary and I thought that you must have been looking for an argument. Of course everyone should have their say, but not when it turns into a personal attack. I think el gordo stirs shit up without knowing the past history of the blog.

    I don’t shy away from anything either. It was uncalled for, misguided and personal by both you and el gordo.

    Or in that other place, it was TBs comment which created this small brush fire and I support the proposition that we treat Noddy as an equal and not somebody wet behind the ears to be mocked.

    Well he should start acting more mature then, if he’s going to behave like such a partisan dope and liberal party stooge, he will be treated like one by me and TB.

    TB did not start it, neil was just being his usual self. Neil is as neil is, he doesn’t need anyone to defend him, he gives as good as he gets and often provokes what comes his way.

    Why do you feel so protective of him? it’s not as if the conservatives are outnumbered on this forum, he doesn’t need to be nurtured and coddled by the fellas.

    BTW, It was you that started it eg, by attacking TB to defend neil on something that is another world away, on another blog:

    That’s ageist and I did note your unwarranted snide remarks on Noddy at the cafe.

    Neil had his say and I had mine and that was going to be the end of it…but you had to attack TB and mount an unnecessary defence of neil. You rubbed salt in the wound by accusing TB of being age-ist when he has been copping the prejudice from that himself [because he is so open and honest about his life]. Have any of you felt that TB could be a bit sick and tired of the age-ist remarks continually thrown his way? I know he has a good sense of humour but it is often used in argument as a put down instead of addressing his valid arguments.

    TB and I could see instantly what was happening, you eg starting to agitate for neil when neil is totally capable of being vindictive and nasty on his own behalf, he didn’t need you to blow the bugle for the troops.

    TB was going to make an issue of it,defending me for neil’s rudeness [thanks btw,TB] and I tried to head it off by saying no apology necessary. I still don’t think there was, it was neil and me – just the usual neil nastiness when called out for what he does, but then everyone else felt they had to rush in, skirts, chests, blouses and petticoats flouncing and a-quivering on neil’s behalf 😆

    I was thinking that “the boys” might be sensitive after their tony was acting like such an idiot on national TV and then there is the brotherhood [alan jones, grahame morris] attacking women for daring to contribute in the national discourse, declaring the “war on uppity women” so perhaps there is a collective of wounded egos and warriors on parade at present.

    The ALP has a rich history of punishing anyone who speaks against a collective decision. It really is pointless for ALP supporters to argue that it’s any different to this.

    I don’t think ALP supporters do, [and i’m not one of them] everyone knows that collective decision making is formal party policy that all labor mp’s sign up for.

    The hypocrisy of the liberals is that they bray publicly about ‘individualism’ and their tolerance of it when in reality they don’t practise it. Coalition MPs cross the floor when in parliament not when in opposition. Howard famously said “disunity is death” and he tried to keep any individualism in check by applying pressure of punishment and banishment. True political bravery is displayed if an MP crosses the floor when the party does not have the numbers, now that may be barnaby, i don’t know i haven’t checked.

    It is the two party unity that defeats democratic outcomes, ignores the wishes of the majority of voters and deems the vote value of marginal electorates as more important than that of other voters.

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:37 pm

    How well is malcolm turnbull and mal washer’s individualism tolerated within the party? 😆

    Looks like standover tactics are used to me.

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:53 pm

    What about the much lauded howard, he of the “government and policies we wish to go back to”. When he had an individual thought on IR recently he was suddenly disowned, poor thing! So much for tolerance of individualism.

  158. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 4:02 pm

    ‘TB could be a bit sick and tired of the age-ist remarks continually thrown his way?’

    I’m a month older than TB, the joke is that he was having a go at somebody younger. I agree that I should have kept quiet, but TB was quoting from Noddy’s past and everyone guffawed.

    I would have jumped in there and then…but decided to come back to trash headquarters and whinge. That’s how the life of a blog sheriff begins.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 4:24 pm

    I would have jumped in there and then…but decided to come back to trash headquarters and whinge.

    Why?
    Some of us don’t care what goes on over there let alone hosting shitfights here over it.
    If your fight with TB was something said there it should have remained there.
    If commenters are going to carry on like that what would be the purpose of being two separate blogs? I don’t think it’s appropriate, but that’s just my opinion.

    but TB was quoting from Noddy’s past and everyone guffawed.

    Everyone here? Where is that and why does it matter? It’s not as if neil is an innocent in this. There’s a lot of guffawing at times here too, has the sherriff outlawed that? Who is in the posse?

    There’s a lot in neil’s past to guffaw about, mostly we don’t, only when he’s here and in our faces!

    I don’t see people rushing to condemn the very personal hounding out, guffawing, gang attacks, general abuse and nastiness to people like N5 and the others who have dared to participate here until feeling they had best be gone. They happen to be from ‘the other side’ of politics. They weren’t allowed to have their ‘honest opinions’ and free speech heralded and protected by the ruffled blouses & petticoats here.

  160. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 4:25 pm

    You know, Kittylitter, I really didn’t have to say anything.

    The only thing the ALP tolerates is corruption.

  161. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 4:41 pm

    ok kitty…

  162. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 4:43 pm

    Nature5 was a sniper. I asked him many times to state his own position. He never did. His contribution (where I was concerned) was to simply make snide comments about my personal life and patronising comments about “trying to assist in my development”. He is not missed by me one little bit.

  163. September 2, 2012 5:42 pm

    “I asked him many times to state his own position. He never did.”

    i fail to see why that should be such a big deal. ToSY often takes the same approach but you never seem to have any problem with ToSY…..

    Just sayin.

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 6:18 pm

    The only thing the ALP tolerates is corruption.

    Yeah well, there’s been a lot of corruption displayed in abbott’s attempt to get another election. The liberals do not have clean hands.

    He is not missed by me one little bit.

    I’m sure that is so james, by both you and tony. I enjoyed his wit and always thought he/she was well informed and educated about politics, and then it all got way too personal [which is a problem here it seems when someone appears to get the better of people].

    Who decides who stays and who goes and who needs a gang attack and banishing etc – the sherriff? the posse?

    Why is neil and neil’s brand of sniping to be protected and not that of others? I believe in everyone being treated equally.

    I wouldn’t miss neil one bit either.

    Seems the tolerance for individual free thought here is not nearly as welcome as I would like to think it has historically been and for which i believe reb has devoted so much time, effort and endurance in pursuing.

  165. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 6:21 pm

    Tony’s never ridiculed me. And I have a very good handle on Tony’s positions and his reasons.

    Nature5 targeted me personally. If he’s sooked off due to my responses I can assure you I won’t be losing a moment’s sleep. I’ll apologize if warranted, as above. It’s not warranted where Nature5 is concerned.

  166. ToSY permalink
    September 2, 2012 6:23 pm

    ‘ToSY often takes the same approach’

    Hey, I resemble that remark. 😉

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 6:31 pm

    It is the two party unity that defeats democratic outcomes, ignores the wishes of the majority of voters and deems the vote value of marginal electorates as more important than that of other voters.”

    I’m inclined to agree with this, and I’d like to see more of a breakdown of party discipline and control. I’d even like to see more independents, like Wilkie and Xenefone.

    But not Oakeshott, he’s a dill, has no idea what his own electorate thinks, completely out of touch and is self absorbed.

    ——————–
    I think N5 was a pretty good contributor, but he didn’t get particularly picky with me. I also quite like Neil’s contribution, Neil is unashamedly partisan, and takes on partisan opponents (and even some that aren’t partisan such as AO).

    There are a range of people in the blogosphere who want to make public political comment, and then get all bothered at having debate or justify their comments. Neil isn’t one of those, but there are many among his debating opponents elsewhere.

  168. September 2, 2012 6:47 pm

    “Nature5 targeted me personally.”

    I don’t recall that. If anything I recall the contrary…..

    But you know, it doesn’t really bother me….

    In recent times I find it a lot easier to just let “you lot” continue with your accusations and defences without my involvement.

    I call it “the couldn’t give a flying fk response approach”.

  169. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 7:03 pm

    So who’s been lying on a beach in the tropics?

  170. September 2, 2012 7:10 pm

    In truth, I don’t really care much for ‘lying on the beach’ as such. You’re more than likely to find me at the beach side bar reading a book, selecting a cigar from the humidor, and enjoying a Mojito or G&T in a crisp linen suit – a sort of modern day David Niven/ Noel Coward….That sort of thing…

    Why, here I am here.

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 7:19 pm

    I call it “the couldn’t give a flying fk response approach”.

    The best approach if you wish to remain in good health reb!

    Nature5 targeted me personally…

    …I don’t recall that. If anything I recall the contrary…..

    That’s how I recall it too, it ended on the personal after sustained personal attack and insults from you and tony IIRC.

    And I can also recall numerous times when you have done that to me as well [it’s not like the above is a first].

    Seems to me that 0730 report’s commenting style is not going down too well with the ‘hard right’ here either [whilst still not being as partisan and annoying as neil], is he going to get the same treatment?

  172. September 2, 2012 7:29 pm

    I would like to extend this gift as a small token of my appreciation to the hard right contributors here at the Daily Trash…

  173. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 7:31 pm

    TDT comes together better as a troupe when we are visited by outliers and looneys, otherwise we just squabble amongst ourselves.

    sigh

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 7:44 pm

    I asked him many times to state his own position. He never did. His contribution (where I was concerned) was to simply make snide comments…

    …Tony’s never ridiculed me. And I have a very good handle on Tony’s positions and his reasons.

    So, as long as the person comes from the same side as you and you, it’s tolerated and acceptable?

    N5 had good reasons and positions too [not that we have a right to demand them of anyone anyway] to some of us, you just didn’t like the way he expressed them and the way he got the better of you.

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:08 pm

    ‘squabble”

    TDT is a resilient blog because it tolerates/encourages the active discourse on anything.

    (I think N5 made a very good contribution, no least because he corrected the grammar, and for that we’re all grateful)

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:10 pm

    …and in deference to N5, “not least…”
    ——————
    By the way N5 also tested TB pretty vigorously on competency based training and testing and a means of education.

    N5 just liked to test everyone.

  177. Whatever permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:14 pm

    ‘That’s how I recall it too, it ended on the personal after sustained personal attack and insults from you and tony IIRC.’

    I recall it quite differently, but everyone’s welcome to their own version of events, and I won’t be commenting any further on the topic.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:30 pm

    N5 just liked to test everyone.

    That’s true, I think it was the schoolteacher in him, teachers like tests.

    And that’s what was so likeable about N5, you had to be on your game, you had to know what the shit you were talking about and you did not get away with lyin’ and cheatin’ and lazy research assertion.

    …and in deference to N5, “not least…

    My, the standards have really slipped, N5 would be really, sorely tested to come back to this, the spelling, the grammar, the opinion masquerading as fact.

    We would all get an F 🙂

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2012 8:55 pm

    …and by the way, I do (now) recall some particularly unpleasant comments to Tony, so the animosity is understandable.

    But N5 could certainly spark some discussion!

  180. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 10:39 pm

    ‘…the active discourse on anything.’

    I’ll pay that.

  181. September 3, 2012 2:11 am

    Seems to me that 0730 report’s commenting style is not going down too well with the ‘hard right’ here either [whilst still not being as partisan and annoying

    Over-Exposure to Corporatology play havoc with my Theaten levels.
    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/rostrum-omg-how-long-can-this-go-on/#comment-6373

  182. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:49 am

    Nature5 was repeatedly challenged to take a position. If you call that a sustained attack, then I guess it was. In my view if you constantly sneer at those who have taken a position, the decent thing is to state your own.

    730 made a ridiculous assertion that Barnaby Joyce is a Liberal lap dog. All I have done is evidence, with links, the contrary. If that’s a personal attack then I’m a drag queen.

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2012 9:05 am

    PUBLIC servants’ sick days cost NSW taxpayers nearly $1 billion a year, estimates show.

    That’s quite a lot of illness, probably replicated in each state and federally. Time for them to toughen up and stop sweating off taxpayers.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/revealed-1b-cost-of-public-sector-sick-days-20120902-258k9.html#ixzz25M9KJTmO

  184. September 3, 2012 10:12 am

    “I’m a drag queen.”

    I’ve always had my suspicions Carlotta.

  185. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 12:17 pm

    🙂

  186. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 12:24 pm

    Australians are generally positive.

    http://www.smh.com.au/polls/being-positive-and-negative-20120903-259dy.html#poll

  187. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 1:00 pm

    “Many climate change protagonists are also committed to ending what they see as wasteful consumerism. That’s a perfectly legitimate point of view. Still the correlation between what’s presented as scientific consensuses for the need for lower emissions and standard new left prejudice against economic growth is suspiciously neat….For many, reducing emissions is a means to achieving a political objective they could not otherwise gain”

    Tony Abbott

  188. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 1:10 pm

    The money joolya gave them for their power bills?

    ‘AUSTRALIAN stayed away from department stores in droves in July, precipitating a shock slump in retail sales that suggest government handouts were mainly responsible for the recent shopping splurge.’

    Adam Creighton

  189. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 1:38 pm

    There is talk of amending the Refugee Convention…in line with Carr’s realistic appraisal.

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2012 1:54 pm

    Carr is given to hyperbole. His statement that asylum seekers could consume the entire immigration intake is bizarre.

    Carr likes to talk it up. I think he was a good Premier* but may be out of his depth now.

    *but crushed by the powerbrokers/hacks.

  191. September 3, 2012 2:11 pm

    I remember N5 making some fairly baseless judgements about the personal life of a certain member of VRWC. They were calculated barbs which can only have been supposition on N5’s part & came across as pretty meanspirited at the time; certainly unnecessary. So, in that case, one of the N5 haterz has reasonable grounds for grinding an axe.
    I do note however, that that person grinds an axe about N5 very seldom; definitely not nearly as often as others.

    I think, for the most part, N5 is disliked by a few because he called them out regularly & made them look silly often. I can understand why they probably took that as sneering. I usually just saw it as countering the sort of mentality that still thinks invading Iraq was a great idea…among other rightwing hobby-horses.

    I don’t think we can be certain that he’s not occasionally amongst us now, under a different name.

  192. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 3, 2012 3:06 pm

    I’m happy to debate anyone, Toilet, as you of all people surely know. And I can do it in a largely respectful, if robust at times, manner.

    Nature5 refused to debate. He refused to take a position. To the extent that I am one of those you refer to as not being the exception, I am certain Nature5 made me look silly in the eyes of those who would measure success or failure by that object. Pretty well like the schoolyard bully is successful if in calling someone a poof he achieves the laughs of the crowd. Great.

    And I didn’t raise it, nor do I ever. I’d rather not think about the malicious prick. I was accused above of chasing him off the blog. I doubt that I did, and I am defending my actions towards him, as I have every right to do.

    Neil cops far worse, far more regularly, and for far less reason than Nature5 ever did. Neil’s only crime is that he is an unashamed Coalition supporter.

  193. September 3, 2012 3:50 pm

    730 made a ridiculous assertion that Barnaby Joyce is a Liberal lap dog. All I have done is evidence, with links, the contrary. If that’s a personal attack then I’m a drag queen.

    Dear Drag Queen, put your high-heels, lipstick and frock on.

    the National Party, including Joyce, agreed to support the sale of Telstra. This led the Labor Party to label Joyce “Backdown Barney” and “Barnaby Rubble” in an acrimonious parliamentary debate. Joyce voted with the Government in the Senate on 14 September 2005, to sell the Government’s remaining share of Telstra. As the Telstra Sale Legislation had been pursued by the lower house in prior parliamentary sessions with no assistance package for regional Australia it is Joyce who is credited for negotiating and holding out till the multi billion dollar assistance package was delivered so as to attain his vote in the Senate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaby_Joyce This would be closer to what Barney would do RE cubby. As Armchair and I have said.

  194. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 3, 2012 4:15 pm

    So, 730, my links to Barnaby Joyce’s history are testament to a personal attack on you are they?

    Barnaby Joyce criticised the sale of Cubbie Station. You said he would have “no problem with” it under Howard.

    Barnaby Goose would have no problem with this Gordo, if they, the John-W regime was still in power and they were allowing it.

    The comparison is his public statements, not his vote. Because what Gordo linked was a public statement. Now as it happens, in return for not crossing the floor on the Telstra sale, Barnaby was able to secure a multi billion telecommunications package for rural and regional areas. Here’s the part that you left off your quote. I wonder why.

    On 17 August 2005 the Government announced a package of $3 billion to improve telecommunications services in regional and rural areas. On the basis of this,

    Barnaby Joyce has crossed the floor at least 3 times. On two of those occasions it led to the vote being tied. He is no Liberal lap dog.

    730, you are demonstrably wrong.

  195. September 3, 2012 4:16 pm

    You flatter, Neil, snacty! He’s about as monocular as it is possible to be. He is obstinately inflexible & singlemindedly ridiculous, when it comes to irrational statements such as…”If the ALP says ‘X’ then I believe ‘Y’ by default”.

    I was just adding a bit of colour to the N5 discussion. I doubt anyone could drive him off. I am sure if he opts out, it is his choice to do so; not from external pressure.
    I don’t really see many people in terms of absolutely good or absolutely bad.

    I wasn’t attacking, if that’s how it came across. I did say that I could understand why some of you may have felt like you were being sneered at.

  196. September 3, 2012 5:22 pm

    Barnaby Joyce has crossed the floor at least 3 times. On two of those occasions it led to the vote being tied. He is no Liberal lap dog.
    730, you are demonstrably wrong. 3 times huh? Out of how many voting opportunities? 150-?, 200-?, not anywhere near a majority, you are hanging your frock on the minimum, not the maximum outcome of what Barney has voted previously. Hint, read all my comments RE Barney.

  197. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 3, 2012 5:39 pm

    No, 730, I am simply making the point, and sticking to it, that Barnaby Joyce would have kicked up at least as much of a stink under Howard as he is with Gillard if Howard had wanted to sell an Australian farm to overseas interests.

    It was you who raised crossing the floor. I pointed out that he had done it at least 3 times. He is no lap dog. Now how many ALP members have crossed the floor in recent times?

  198. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 5:44 pm

    Neil is infatuated with the Howard era and the rusted ons accuse him of boorishness, but in reality no different to me on CC.

    I thought N5 went overseas and came back a different man…I gained the impression he had outgrown us.

  199. JAWS permalink
    September 3, 2012 5:47 pm

    Sancty is correct. N5 did very little other than a number of random “attempted drive by shootings” late at night. He basically just came across as little more than a troll with his usual stupid sayings of “just saying” or the incredibly original “from the mouths of babes” as a sign off.

    I don’t miss him simply because he contributed sweet f*** all to any debate other than cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rails.

  200. September 3, 2012 6:00 pm

    No, 730, I am simply making the point, and sticking to it, that Barnaby Joyce would have kicked up at least as much of a stink under Howard as he is with Gillard if Howard had wanted to sell an Australian farm to overseas interests. just as he did with telstra,then he would do as told

    It was you who raised crossing the floor. bullshit, I quoted you or armchair, who got it first go

    I pointed out that he had done it at least 3 times. big deal, out of more than 300 votes, you hang your frock and credibility on a number smaller than one-percent He is no lap dog. bullshit

    Now how many ALP members have crossed the floor in recent times? irrelevant, topic is barnaby goose

  201. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:03 pm

    other than cherry pick a single sentence

    😆

    from the mouths of babes

  202. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:10 pm

    Hi Tom…did you catch the Bolt/Lomborg interview? It seems our contribution in reducing temperature, by the end of this century, will be 1/200th of a degree.

  203. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:16 pm

    Instead of + what?

    That’s a winner then, isn’t it.

  204. September 3, 2012 6:29 pm

    “cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rail” sounds familiar, jaws

  205. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:42 pm

    ‘Instead of + what?’

    ?

  206. JAWS permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:52 pm

    You really need to get your Bold and Italics and Quote Blocks sorted out 730.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2012 7:05 pm

    “cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rail” sounds familiar, jaws

    Have you noticed how liars always call others a “liar” or thieves call someone else a “thief” … even drive by shooters always blame someone else of doing it! BANG!

    How amusement …

  208. September 3, 2012 7:31 pm

    is this better jaws

  209. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 7:35 pm

    ‘How amusement …’

    Taswegia is a funny place to go for a holiday.

  210. September 3, 2012 7:37 pm

    They have the interwebz in Tassie!

    Hopefully some good weather heading your way, TB. 🙂

  211. September 3, 2012 8:08 pm

    I hope TB-Tasmania has fun.

  212. Hop it permalink
    September 3, 2012 8:18 pm

    Northern hordes are verboten in Victoria. 😯

  213. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 3, 2012 9:14 pm

    Hello Hello from from sunny sunny Tassie Tassie … lol! lol!

  214. September 3, 2012 9:23 pm

    Achtung! Die hund verboten!!!

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 3, 2012 9:41 pm

    Neil is infatuated with the Howard era and the rusted ons accuse him of boorishness, but in reality no different to me on CC.

    And it would be nice if you would confine your CC boorishness to your own thread, somehow it keeps fouling up every thread that is created!

    Hi TB
    Have fun 😆 enjoy the food and the wine, there is a very nice winery crawl and tasting to be had along the east coast. I loved the strawberry farm and freycinet/coles bay areas.

  216. September 3, 2012 10:04 pm

    CArve your name into some esteemed public monument while your down there, TB. I’ll add a postscript in a few months.

    You’ve got as much chance of sighting a thylacine as the borncos have of winning the gf from 8th. 😉

  217. JAWS permalink
    September 3, 2012 10:05 pm

    Who the fuck are you calling a liar TB and why?

  218. September 3, 2012 11:03 pm

    Mr- Poodle is doing some yapping on LatelineLand.

    Before that, Barnaby Goose was on beating about cubby.
    He wants government interference in a private transaction of private property coz 170 jobs are at risk. ie Corporate Welfare

    Barney doesn`t seem to realize he and his party are bolted on to Mr-Rabbits Liberals, or that 170 jobs is merely a small factory.

  219. Simple Accountant - Tautology permalink
    September 4, 2012 12:49 am

    Who the fuck are you calling a liar TB and why?

    😆 :lol::lol: Simple accountants don’t do subtlety or nuance, do they? 😆 :lol::lol:

    I don’t miss him simply because he contributed sweet f*** all to any debate other than cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rails.

    How amusement …

  220. Moralising moraliser permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:56 am

    ‘It’s perfectly legal. It just doesn’t seem right to me.’

  221. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:33 am

    ‘And it would be nice if you would confine your CC boorishness to your own thread, somehow it keeps fouling up every thread that is created!’

    Joker!

  222. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:57 am

    ‘THE number of Sri Lankan asylum seekers has risen tenfold this year as a row erupts over a Coalition plan to automatically reject people arriving from the island nation.

    ‘But two exiled Sri Lankan journalists have warned that ethnic strife is still rampant.

    ‘‘There is no shelling now, there is no bombing, but the situation as far as human rights and democratic rights are concerned, nothing has changed,’’ said Bashana Abeywardane, a reporter from the Sinhalese majority who fled Sri Lanka to Europe in 2006 and feels unable to return home.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-backs-push-to-say-no-to-flood-of-sri-lankans-20120903-25ajs.html#ixzz25Rhh8nxQ

    ———–

    Ethnic strife continues between the Sinhalese and Tamils…as it has for more than a century. The Tamils escaping repression are economic refugees.

  223. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:11 am

    Capital move by Barry O.

    ‘FEDERAL independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor are likely to face a united Coalition enemy at the next election after NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell virtually ruled out allowing “three-cornered contests” in their seats.

    ‘In remarks to his Nationals parliamentary colleagues at a dinner last Friday, which have been obtained by The Australian, Mr O’Farrell branded the two MPs “Julia Gillard’s greatest allies” and said he would not support a push to field Liberal candidates in Mr Oakeshott’s NSW north coast seat of Lyne or Mr Windsor’s northern NSW seat of New England.’

    Imre Salusinszky in the Oz

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:27 am

    THE construction union has given ground to builder Grocon in their bitter industrial dispute, offering to stop industrial action against the company beyond the 14 days recommended by Fair Work Australia chief Iain Ross.

    But Grocon chief executive Daniel Grollo last night rejected the offer, saying the company would only re-enter talks if the union agreed to permanently lift all action.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/daniel-grollo-refuses-compromise-by-union/story-fn59niix-1226464273761

    Unions only think one dispute at a time, Grollo is obviously thinking about how he positions his company for a long term future.

    By the time all this is over, the CFMEU will be in debt to Grollo to the tune of over $5mill. They’ll have to provide some enforceable undertakings about industrial behaviour on his sites, Grollo will be positioned to establish efficient construction practices that will give his company a competitive advantage.

    Meanwhile, the CFMEU and the government they partly own will put up with the high cost and the political consequences.

    That all seems fair.

  225. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 9:58 am

    ALP support has started heading South again whilst Julia gets a tiny blip. Good to see the Greens vote heading for the basement under the leadership of Milne.

    Not too long until Lee Rhianon makes a play and we’ll finally see the Hammer and Sickle flying proudly again over Greens National HQ……….wherever that is

  226. September 4, 2012 10:29 am

    “Good to see the Greens vote heading for the basement under the leadership of Milne.”

    I think it’s a bit unfair to give Milne all the credit.

    The teary-eyed interminable whinger Sarah Hanson-Young also deserves some of the kudos….

  227. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 10:36 am

    OK

    Blame the South Australian too

  228. September 4, 2012 10:47 am

    I blame the Eastern Seaboard scum.

    A greater saturation of human filth there ensures a greater saturation of human waste.

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2012 12:10 pm

    Who the fuck are you calling a liar TB and why?

    The grunt has now arrived, huffing and puffing and still doing up his zip, he was M-I-A at the time but has now found his blunderbuss and is soooo ready to fire 🙂

    He’s busy in tassie jaws, you might have to put your aggrievement on hold until he gets back to a computer.

    meanwhile …take nice deep breaths….slow them right down…in…and then out…think of something pleasant.

  230. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 12:15 pm

    “….meanwhile …take nice deep breaths….slow them right down…in…and then out…think of something pleasant.”

    OK

    Tony Abbott in the Lodge

  231. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 12:35 pm

    It’s good to see the Newspoll holding up so well for the ALP and Gillard. It gives Rudd very little chance of taking over and that way ensures the that the ALP wont realize their error until far too late therefore ensuring its total and absolute electoral annihilation next year.

    Gillard thinks the ALP has an electoral problem that she can overcome to take them to victory.

    She’s right and wrong on that count……………………………..because it’s her.

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2012 12:46 pm

    FEDERAL independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor are likely to face a united Coalition enemy at the next election after NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell virtually ruled out allowing “three-cornered contests” in their seats.

    No liberal party representation allowed? Which is basically what 730 was saying isn’t it, the national party and the liberal party are not separate entities?
    They wouldn’t be trashing democracy just to get elected would they? Oh, that’s right, that’s the only reason we have a coalition, it exists purely to gain political power, neither party would get elected in their own right.

    uh oh, barnyard playing populist politics, I guess he is going to single handedly save cubbie station!

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/joe-hockey-slaps-down-coalition-critics-of-the-cubbie-station-sale/story-fn59niix-1226464512682

    …OPPOSITION treasury spokesman Joe Hockey has rebuked frontbench colleague Barnaby Joyce for contradicting Coalition policy on the sale of Cubbie Station.

    The Nationals Senate leader has described the sale of the 93,000 hectare Queensland cotton farm to a Chinese consortium as a “bloody disgrace”, declaring it should have been purchased by the government and broken up for sale in smaller lots.

    Mr Hockey accused Coalition critics of the sale of “freelancing” on the issue.

    “They do not speak for the Coalition. They don’t even speak for the National Party or the Liberal Party,” he told Sky News.

    Mr Hockey said this was acceptable for backbenchers, but shadow ministers should toe the party line.

    “Frontbenchers have a responsibility to be part of the team. Backbenchers can freelance because they are on the back bench.”

    Mr Hockey said he alone was authorised to speak on foreign investment policy, and declared the Coalition’s support for the Foreign Investment Review Board and its decision to greenlight the Cubbie sale…

    take that barnyard

    …Senator Joyce rejected Mr Hockey’s criticism, saying the sale of Cubbie Station was a Nationals issue as well as one for the Coalition.

    “Farmers are clearly asking me why they didn’t get a chance to put in a tender for a subdivided Cubbie Station,” he said.

    Was it a secret sale?

    I think we really need the NBN as it is obvious that cubbie being for sale the last three years had not managed to reach the bush!

    Or…could they all have been thinking that the government’s agents, the taxpayers, should bear the cost of a private sale and once the issue of cost is socialised, happily rush in to pick up some cheap assets?

    Where was barnaby these last three years, he could have saved cubbie, no good screeching after the fact!

  233. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:06 pm

    So we’ve gone from “Barnaby would never stand up to his Coalition bosses” to “Barnaby should have organised personally the purchase of Cubbie Station”.

    I didn’t know Cubbie Station was up for sale, did you? Maybe Barnaby did, I don’t know. Did advertisements for tenders go out?

  234. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:06 pm

    Gillard thinks the ALP has an electoral problem that she can overcome to take them to victory.
    She’s right and wrong on that count……………………………..because it’s her.

    And say again, what was abbott’s personal rating ?
    A reporter asked him about that at his highway ‘intervention’ this am, but he didn’t seem to answer or understand the question, he spoke about gillard gillard gillard 😉

    If you want a great poster you can get it here:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/08/23/did-i-mention-juliar-has-been-bullying-the-mining-industry/

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:15 pm

    I didn’t know Cubbie Station was up for sale, did you? Maybe Barnaby did, I don’t know. Did advertisements for tenders go out?

    It’s been in receivership for three years, how do the financial sharks and market usually get to know about and broadcast these things?

    Are you saying it’s a conspiracy?

  236. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:20 pm

    “And say again, what was abbott’s personal rating ?”

    So….?……..she’s the incumbent. She should be double what he is.

  237. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:30 pm

    ‘…the national party and the liberal party are not separate entities?’

    They are Coalition partners, a couple of brothers who disagree at times and do deals against a common enemy when necessary.

    The independents need to be routed…minority guvmint has been a failure.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:33 pm

    So we’ve gone from “Barnaby would never stand up to his Coalition bosses” to “Barnaby should have organised personally the purchase of Cubbie Station”.

    I don’t really care what barnaby does, he is irrelevant to most things, even to his own coalition party it seems.

    You make another misrepresentation, I was making the observation that if barnaby is apparently soooo concerned about cubbie all of a sudden and he does happen to represent Qld, why hasn’t he been screeching to the media during the last three years of receivership? Why make a fuss now, after the fact, when he could have made an effort to gather an interest in the sale. He can take the time to write letters to gina rinehart’s children about family issues, why not take some time about cubbie? [if he really is concerned about australian ownership].

    Or was he just thinking like a true national party man, that the taxpayer should be obliging enough to fund private enterprise? That seems to be the gist of what he is saying, that the government should have bought it. Why?

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:35 pm

    The independents need to be routed…minority guvmint has been a failure.

    Minority government has been the best thing to happen to this country, may there be much more of it 🙂

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 1:57 pm

    I don’t mind minority government as along as all MPs have to pass an IQ test.

    I’d be happy to see many more independents like Wilkie and Xenephon,, but a parliament with more Oakeshotts would require a change to the carbon tax, he is a major emitter of noxious gas.

  241. September 4, 2012 2:07 pm

    “FEDERAL independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor are likely to face a united Coalition enemy at the next election”

    Oakeshott, and Windsor are two of the most principled men to serve in Australian politics. They have brought stability to the country in these troubled times. All three were elected precisely because they renounced the Coalition and offered their electorates an independent alternative. But those with tiny minds and a born-to-rule attitude can’t grasp this point and have been relentlessly demonizing these honourable men. As independents they did the decent thing and supported the ALP, the only party capable of offering coherent policies. No bribes, not even Tony Abbott’s arse in all its greasy glory, could distract them from doing the right thing by Australia.

    Long after the inane din of the media beat-ups has passed from memory the Gillard government will be remembered for its brilliant policy achievements, achievements in the areas of environment, health, education, industrial relations and in putting Australia on the solid economic foundation of sustainable industries.

    The sad thing is that here there is not enough clear air here to discuss these real achievements – just a clattering din as the howler monkeys regurgitate in garbled form the toxic droppings from the perch of Rupert Murdoch.

  242. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 4, 2012 2:17 pm

    They have brought stability to the country in these troubled times.

    Such sentences should come with a warning. I just vomited in my mouth.

    We’ll see how the electorates of Lyne and New England regard their “independant” support of the ALP.

  243. public toilet permalink
    September 4, 2012 2:22 pm

    😆

  244. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 2:30 pm

    ‘the Gillard government will be remembered for its brilliant policy achievements’

    That would appear unlikely.

  245. September 4, 2012 2:35 pm

    “We’ll see how the electorates of Lyne and New England regard their “independant” support of the ALP.”

    No doubt the venomous inbred hysteria spewing from the Nationals and the landed gentry will take its toll. I certainly hope the voters are not duped. But even if one or both of Oakeshott or Windsor lose they will know that in the long run their massive contribution to this nation will be appreciated. Churchill was voted out of office in 1945 but his legacy endures.

  246. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 2:35 pm

    ‘…putting Australia on the solid economic foundation of sustainable industries.’

    We are sliding into a deep recession and the power bills have made rebels out of rusted ons. You can stick the archaic green stuff up your proverbial.

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 2:36 pm

    ”Oakeshott, and Windsor are two of the most principled men to serve in Australian politics.

    Truly, that is hilarious. If these men were previous ALP politicians who had deserted the ranks after using the ALP to get their political start, they would be reviled, hounded, slandered…nonstop.

    Oakeshott, particularly, is an airhead. He obviously thinks he is the member for Nimbin rather than Port Macquarie. He has no connection with his electorate, he has no affinity with the issues they consider important, his financial supporters are deserting him as are his voting ones.

    Windsor is mainly motivated by bitterness, and a sense of get square.

    The principles of both are limited to the principle of self-interest – how can they stay in parliament longer and top up their superannuation.

    But tell me, what was the “principle” Oakeshott was pressing when he pressed for the Speakership?

  248. September 4, 2012 2:44 pm

    An independent speaker is beneficial to parliament. Oakeshott has considerable rhetorical skills and would have given dignified and impartial service as the speaker.

  249. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 2:52 pm

    Oakeshott is preparing for an early election.

    http://www.roboakeshott.com/node/1406

  250. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 3:31 pm

    Who the fuck are you calling a liar TB and why?

    My that’s an anger management issue, if ever I read one … 😉

    I wasn’t calling anyone a liar (as I think Simple Acountant – Tautology, pointed out) … in fact it was an analogy I’ve used here before … and a bit of satirical irony …

    Don’t fret so … just sayin’

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just back from Richmond Old Hobart Model Village and then lunch at Salamanca … no one told me you had to buy parking tickets!

    Just been trying to pay the $32.50 fine! Invalid Infringement Notice … ie we have to wait till the Park Officer gets back to the office! Ah … well … they could certainly do with a few bob down here …

    Visited Port Arthur yesterday … well worth it …

    Off to MONA tomorrow (opens Wednesday to Monday ???) Taswegians get in for free anyone else pays … then off to Strahan.

    The prices for a lot of things are very high especially wine!

    I’d move to the mainland if I lived here!

    Countryside is great, people are very friendly (unlike some Taswegian asylum seekers we know) … thoroughly enjoying …

  251. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 3:32 pm

    “No doubt the venomous inbred hysteria spewing from the Nationals and the landed gentry will take its toll………”

    Via the Hate Media of course…………..you forgot that bit

  252. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 3:35 pm

    “Oakeshott has considerable rhetorical skills…………….”

    Scratch one cup of coffee ………………………….

    Now I am convinced that Minipig is in fact just a parody.

  253. September 4, 2012 3:37 pm

    “The prices for a lot of things are very high especially wine!”

    Yes, unfortunately Tasmanian wines, being boutique in nature, tend to be priced beyond the reach and tastes of your average Queenslander at some $8.99 a bottle and above.

    “no one told me you had to buy parking tickets!”

    I know, it’s a disgrace. Those prominent “Meter Parking Zone” signs and ticket machines with bold “Pay Here” signs are just there for aesthetic reasons.

    Glad to hear you’re enjoying yourselves…. 🙂

  254. September 4, 2012 3:39 pm

    Perhaps Minipiglo can tell us what happened to Pip…? Has she been banned too….?

    Was is it the Shaggers’ Tryst at the notorious Darling Harbour Shagfest that did it??

  255. Newspoll permalink
    September 4, 2012 3:43 pm

    So….?……..she’s the incumbent. She should be double what he is.

    9-11 March 2001

    ARE YOU SATISFIED OR DISSATISFIED WITH THE WAY… IS DOING HIS (HER) JOB AS PRIME MINISTER? SATISFIED / DISSATISFIED / UNCOMMITTED
    28 / 64 / 8

    ARE YOU SATISFIED OR DISSATISFIED WITH THE WAY …. IS DOING HIS (HER) JOB AS LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION?
    39 / 47 / 14

    WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD MAKE THE BETTER PRIME MINISTER?
    MR JOHN HOWARD / MR KIM BEAZLEY / UNCOMMITTED
    34 / 40 / 26

    Howard was the incumbent. He should have been double what Beazley was 🙄

  256. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 4, 2012 3:44 pm

    No doubt the venomous inbred hysteria spewing from the Nationals and the landed gentry will take its toll. I certainly hope the voters are not duped.

    Because they’re stupid you reckon?

  257. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 3:51 pm

    ‘Now I am convinced that Minipig is in fact just a parody.’

    I agree and Sancty also pointed in that direction some time back.

  258. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 4:01 pm

    “But even if one or both of Oakeshott or Windsor lose they will know that in the long run their massive contribution to this nation will be appreciated. Churchill was voted out of office in 1945 but his legacy endures.”

    Well Eg

    I think when you start comparing Oakeshott and Windsor to Churchill you really do have a credibility problem.

  259. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 4:15 pm

    No problem TB

    Just please excuse any confusion on your part next time I give an unsolicited reply to one of your posts and while I’m at it infer you are a Liar.

    I do hope you’ll understand when it happens and not complain like you did when Neil implied same

  260. September 4, 2012 4:24 pm

    The three of us get along just /a>fine thank you Reb. You must be jealous to harbour such snide bitterness, darling.

  261. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 4:40 pm

    ‘Well Eg’

    Hope you’re not attaching me to those ridiculous words.

  262. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 4:42 pm

    LOL

    No…………..I was referring to Minipig’s post

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 4:44 pm

    Speaking of Darling Harbour, I used to frequent Bobby McGees there about 20 years ago.

    It was heart breaking stuff then, but where do “mature” folk go these days for a lover’s tryst?

  264. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 4:51 pm

    “…..where do “mature” folk go these days for a lover’s tryst?”

    I think CU supplies a spare room these days

  265. September 4, 2012 4:58 pm

    “I think CU supplies a spare room these days”

    With cameras no doubt….

  266. September 4, 2012 5:02 pm

    “You must be jealous to harbour such snide bitterness, darling.”

    I know. I know. Tell me about it.

    Each night I cry myself to sleep, just wishing and hoping “why couldn’t it have been me in the sack with two crusty old pensioners (with numerous ailments and complaints) at the Darling Harbour Shagfest….??”

  267. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:09 pm

    Just please excuse any confusion on your part next time I give an unsolicited reply to one of your posts and while I’m at it infer you are a Liar.

    I didn’t know you had inferred anything … and I can assure you I’m not “confused” … methinks you are … and …. like, egg, have become involved in something that has nothing whatsoever to do with you … if, Neil, wants to post here or at CW and say silly, misdirected and nonsense comments then I shall reply to them, however, I like …. if you lot want to try and defend the boy’s childish nonsense … then that’s up to you …

    I do hope you’ll understand when it happens and not complain like you did when Neil implied same

    I’m afraid your wrong again, Wally … Noddy, didn’t imply anything … he called me liar when I mistyped the number of ADFdeaths in Iraq (I think it was 1 instead of 12) …

    I agreed the number was incorrect and apologised … Neil still accused me of lying …

  268. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:21 pm

    You are clearly and very deliberately avoiding addressing my post that you replied to.
    You clearly implied I was a Liar via your analogy.

  269. September 4, 2012 5:29 pm

    “where do “mature” folk go these days”

    There may be some old folk here, but with one or two honourable exceptions, there isn’t much in the way of maturity, just juvenile delinquency and an unhealthy interest in the affairs of others’ privates.

    Reb, you really are a piece of work, gloating at the unhappiness of others. We were all young and naive once and some of us are still young and naive at heart. Those who trust and commit themselves wholeheartedly often suffer most.

    I don’t see why people here and at the Cafe can’t get on instead of behaving like spiteful ex-lovers. I can understand Oscar Wilde’s observation that “There is always something ridiculous about the emotions of people whom one has ceased to love” as it applies on a personal level, but why does it have to be so between blogs. Come home, behave reasonably and all will be forgiven.

  270. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:31 pm

    “Come home, behave reasonably and all will be forgiven……………………..AGAIN

    There fixed it for ya

  271. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:31 pm

    “You clearly implied I was a Liar via your analogy.”

    If that was not the intent then why not just say as much………?

  272. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:34 pm

    “I don’t see why people here and at the Cafe can’t get on”

    I can answer that for ya…………

    “grow up, fuck off and stop your bullshit”

    LOL

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:37 pm

    “Come home, behave reasonably and all will be forgiven”…right up until there is a discussion about-

    • Asylum seekers and why it is fine to take punitive action against them these days
    • Why gays shouldn’t be allowed to participate in the institutions of society (eg marriage), unless it is politically convenient for the ALP
    • Why telling a lie isn’t a lie
    • The reason it is ok for the current Prime Minister to break the written agreement that delivered her the job
    • Anything else that might be contentious for Gillard

  274. September 4, 2012 5:38 pm

    “Reb, you really are a piece of work, gloating at the unhappiness of others.”

    What, like there’s something wrong with that….?

    Besides I wasn’t the one making jokes when my dog died..

  275. Simple Accountant - Tautology permalink
    September 4, 2012 5:53 pm

    Is Jaws as thick as Neil pretends to be?

    JAWS

    I don’t miss him simply because he contributed sweet f*** all to any debate other than cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rails.

    Tom R

    other than cherry pick a single sentence
    😆

    from the mouths of babes

    730reportland

    cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rail” sounds familiar, jaws

    TB Queensland

    “cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rail” sounds familiar, jaws

    Have you noticed how liars always call others a “liar” or thieves call someone else a “thief” … even drive by shooters always blame someone else of doing it! BANG!

    How amusement …

    TB wasn’t calling you a liar ya thick bastard Jaws. He was saying the same as Tom R & 730reportland. He was saying you have been known to “cherry pick a single sentence to take the current debate at the time completely off the rails” Pots & kettles ‘n stuff 🙄

  276. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:04 pm

    TB wasn’t calling you a liar ya thick bastard Jaws

    It’s that comprehension thingy. Many here are quite deficient in it. Or similar 😆

  277. September 4, 2012 6:07 pm

    “Many here are quite deficient in it.”

    While many others are bereft of any ability to think for themselves whatsoever..

  278. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:08 pm

    If that was not the intent then why not just say as much………?

    That was not the intent … precious … bloody hell … I’ve never called you a liar never implied you were a liar … happy ….

    As has been pointed out by someone else you just didn’t understand

    The only person on this blog who has been called a liar, IS ME! By NEIL … now if you want to uphold, truth, honesty and the TDT way … get stuck into him! 🙄

    BTW, how come you didn’t accuse me of calling you a drive by shooter? JUST JOKIN’! 😛

  279. September 4, 2012 6:10 pm

    Or the ability to contend with dissenting opinions.

    Just sayin’ 😉

  280. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:25 pm

    “I’ve never called you a liar never implied you were a liar … happy ….”

    Yes thankyou.

    I trust your holiday is panning out as planned.

    If you are driving over to Strahan be extra careful on the roads.

    The inland locals have some rather peculiar driving habits………………………..Like suddenly appearing in a clapped out EH Holden coming over the crest of a hill heading towards you at high speed on the wrong side of a two lane “highway” with nowhere to “retreat” either side other than trying out your braking power on some rather large gum trees

    So before you take the drive…………………………Take a bit of extra time to enjoy your breakfast.

  281. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:26 pm

    Or the ability to contend with dissenting opinions.

    Are you accusing me! 😆 😆 😆

  282. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:26 pm

    ‘Come home, behave reasonably and all will be forgiven.’

    I’m tempted, if you promise to stop TomR calling me a troll.

  283. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:27 pm

    While many others are bereft of any ability to think for themselves whatsoever..

    jesus reb, kick ’em while they’re down why don’t ya’

  284. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:31 pm

    if you promise to stop TomR calling me a troll.

    Oh, I see, I’m not allowed to call you what you freely admitted to being ❓

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:36 pm

    According to them, a “troll” is someone who-

    • Advocates a non punitive policy on asylum seekers
    • Thinks the Prime Minister should keep their word, particularly the written one that delivered her the job
    • Supports marriage equality, even if this is politically inconvenient for the PM
    • Thinks Thomson has a “case to answer”
    • Argues on topic and doesn’t respond to being called a “turd” or a “troll”

    Other than that, they’re really tolerant, open and diverse in their opinions.

  286. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:41 pm

    egg, TomR has taken far more on the chin than “troll” …

    What’s with all the right whingers suddenly becoming so “precious” (rhetorical question actually – the psychology of change – ie new posters – is fascinating) …. Group Dynamics at work and play … LOL!

  287. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:44 pm

    ‘Oh, I see, I’m not allowed to call you what you freely admitted to being’

    It’s a pots and kettles thing.

  288. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:22 pm

    RBA holds off for a third straight month.

  289. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:27 pm

    ‘GREENS Leader Christine Milne says she’s disappointed in the party’s three-point slump in the latest Newspoll, declaring voters may have “misunderstood” the party’s asylum-seeker policies.

    ‘Support for the Greens fell to 8 per cent in the weekend’s Newspoll, from 11 per cent the fortnight before.’

    Ben Packham in the Oz

  290. September 4, 2012 7:28 pm

    So at the Paraletics they’re now complaining that some athletes’ prostetic limbs are too long…

    Is there any reason for any of this to continue…?

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:29 pm

    Re – Current Education Debate

    I think Gillard is missing the point on education reform. The problem isn’t the quality of the teachers, or the number of schools halls, or even (particularly) the proportion of GDP occupied by education expenditure.

    The reform is needed in the stifling bureaucracy, the control exercised by teacher unions, the institutionalised lack of accountability within the school management.

    Fix all that up, which can be achieved at no cost, and there will be a far better system of education.

  292. September 4, 2012 7:30 pm

    “declaring voters may have “misunderstood” the party’s asylum-seeker policies.”

    Oh how we laughed until we shat.

    You mean, the policy they don’t have…??

  293. September 4, 2012 7:42 pm

    Minipiglo still hasn’t explained what happened to Pip.

    By all accounts she’s either been BANNED or “taken out”.

    The same thing happened when Michael Jackson was under investigation for child sex crimes.

    Bubbles the chimp was “taken out” because he knew, and had seen, too much.

    It appears that the same thing has happened to Pip.

    Meanwhile no one is meant to notice a thing. 😯

  294. Greenz 4 Evah permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:44 pm

    The Greens party is full of likeable personalities like Christine Milne, Sarah Hanson-Young, Lee Rhiannon and Adam Bandt. But I shouldn’t really vote for them just because they make me feel good. 😯

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:51 pm

    Just watching the 7.30 Report, notice how Joe Hockey licked his lips and smiled whenever he talked about “growing the pie”, I think you could hear his stomach rumble through the microphone.

    Just like Pavlov’s dog.

  296. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 7:52 pm

    I might be tempted to come back to the kaf if they built a room out the back for those who have dissenting views on climate change. The thread could be called ….

  297. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:04 pm

    Alex Schlotzer has a post up at the kaf on trolls….guffaw.

  298. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:09 pm

    TROLLS

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:09 pm

    I bet they miss Pip. She had a great sense of humour, a bit like Lee Rhiannon

  300. September 4, 2012 8:11 pm

    The cafe folk, just like the so called, self professed “political sword” folk are suffering from a persecution complex. Not too disimilar to Heaven’s Gate.

    I’d be worried if Lowes has a rush on white sneakers (or maybe I wouldn’t) 😯

  301. September 4, 2012 8:19 pm

    Apparently they’re all “good friends,” exchanging Lamington recipes and email addresses in the background while tearing each other to shreds in the public domain.

    Ordinarily it’s the other way around.

    I blame dementia, plus the sordid unfulfilled desires of the Minpiglo triumverate. 😯

  302. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:24 pm

    The cafe folk, just like the so called, self professed “political sword” folk are suffering from a persecution complex

    We’re on a mission from reb

  303. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:28 pm

    😉

  304. September 4, 2012 8:37 pm

    LOL Simple Accountant – Tautology, ya thick bastard,
    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/rostrum-omg-how-long-can-this-go-on/#comment-6505
    I was talking to jaws, not about him

  305. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:40 pm

    Fix all that up, which can be achieved at no cost, and there will be a far better system of education.

    Now, ToM, so that I can debate on an even footing …

    – what qualifications do you have in education, training and or human development

    – what qualls degree or above do you have in learning psychology

    – what other qualifications do you have (to demonstrate a lifetime learning experience)

    – what management experience and/or quals do you have

    – how many children have you raised

    Let me know and then we’ll have our debate … I agree with some of your comments but not others …

    Funny that the Education Minister has an Arts and Law degree but none in learning … 🙄

  306. September 4, 2012 8:43 pm

    LOL Simple Accountant – Tautology
    BTW i was havin a poke at sancty, not neil,
    you have taken me right out of context

  307. TB Tasmania permalink
    September 4, 2012 8:58 pm

    … you have taken me right out of context

    I know just how that feels, 703! 😛

  308. KWOLZ permalink
    September 4, 2012 9:06 pm

    Silly ol’ Tassie TB doesn’t understand that arguments should stand or fall on their merit, not on their owners “quals”. (TB Queensland would’ve known that. 😉 )

  309. September 4, 2012 9:13 pm

    not on their owners “quals”.

    I concur……

    Heck, when I was at UNI the internet wasn’t even around….

    So if people want to hark back at the qualifications they garnered some ten or twenty years ago, it’s pretty much worthless these days…..

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2012 9:59 pm

    TB of the “map of Tasmania”, my qualifications aren’t in teaching. They’re far better than that.

    Teaches deserve more pay, and I support better qualifications.

    But I also think there are many institutional and cultural issues affecting effective teaching. I’d imagine you would agree that organizations are most effective when there si a sense of access to the actual decision makers. I doubt whether this exists in public schools.

    I think this occurs in private schools. The bureaucratic control needs to change.

  311. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 10:06 pm

    So Julia goes off to a major mining conference in Perth and gives a speech on education. Barely a mention of the mining industry in a speech to miners.

    Does this fuckwit of a PM enjoy antagonizing industries or is she just a mentally challenged fuckwit in the Oakeshott category.

    Which is it ?

  312. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 10:10 pm

    Oh and I dispute that I cherry pick a single sentence off any Lefties post.

    It’s just that people like TomR and Bachhus come on here repeatedly and state such comprehensive stupidity from the Cafe that I can spend an entire day just taking apart a single sentence.

  313. JAWS permalink
    September 4, 2012 10:16 pm

    So Julia now acknowledges that the National Income is falling due to the fall in commodity prices and decides to act by going on a massive spending spree with a dental scheme , an education scheme, and a national disability scheme……..all unfounded.

    If you were told your salary was being cut would you go down to DJs and spend up big ?

    What an idiot we have as a PM.

    She is a disgrace

  314. September 5, 2012 12:45 am

    “Minority government has been the best thing to happen to this country, may there be much more of it”

    Couldn`t agree more. Anything that makes the duopoly of Lib/Lab and the embedded media squeal so much will probably be good for the rest of us, and will definitely be entertaining.

  315. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:49 am

    Minority government leads to policy paralysis and lost opportunity.

    If Joolya had said to Brown ‘lets hook up’ but leave carbon and refugees off the table. The soft options…gay marriage, pokie reform, drug law reform, equal pay for women, etc etc should have been the road ahead in their first term.

    The PM is a brainless watermelon.

  316. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:55 am

    And we can look forward to an early election….

    “Some senior people have started talking about an early election,” encouraged by a recent recovery in Labor’s standing in the opinion polls, an official said.

    ‘Preselections for Labor candidates are under way and should be complete by November.

    “The idea is to come out of the Christmas holidays into the new year and go to a February election; there are people weighing it as an option,” the official said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-position-gillard-arms-labor-for-early-election-with-new-committee-20120904-25cor.html#ixzz25XKGIaJc

  317. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 7:11 am

    Policy paralysis ultimately leads to electoral defeat.

    ‘BOB Brown has defended the Greens’ stance on asylum-seekers as “courageous, legal and humane” as the party confronts warnings of a long-term electoral crisis and criticism its boats policy has helped drive away at least 450,000 supporters.

    ‘The former Greens leader yesterday praised his successor Christine Milne’s handling of the recent parliamentary impasse over asylum policy and played down the significance of Newspoll showing a six-percentage-point drop in primary support over the past three months.’

    Joe Kelly in the Oz

  318. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 7:19 am

    Barnaby is unashamedly an agrarian socialist.

    ‘Senator Joyce repeated his call for the sale to be overturned in favour of an alternative plan in which the federal government would buy the mammoth estate and break it up into smaller farms…’

    David Crowe in the Oz.

  319. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2012 8:21 am

    So, the Nationals want the Government to take over the farms.

    Will the oo be running with this image but with barnie in the lead?

  320. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:33 am

    “And we can look forward to an early election….”

    I wish…………………….but I doubt she’s that stupid.

    She has far too much economy wrecking to complete to even contemplate calling time.

    So little time………….yet so much to wreck.

  321. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:49 am

    The red head is flying a kite, as a warning to the Rudd push, if I catch you counting heads I’ll call an early election.

  322. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:56 am

    MiniPiglo is a parody. I’m sorry but it simply is.

    I name Tony.

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:58 am

    An early election would only make sense if-

    • Gillard knew the economy is on the slide
    • There is more to come on her Slater & Gordon activities
    • Thomson is likely to be charged
    • Ditto Slipper

    Then a “save the furniture” election might be understandable. Otherwise, it’s suicide and she’s better off just hoping, wishing that something will happen, such as Abbott being photographed in the cot with Pell. Something like that might give her a chance.

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:59 am

    “I name Tony”

    Abbott comments here?

  325. September 5, 2012 10:00 am

    I don’t think so. It’s too cutting. It’s baiting a certain cadre very deliberately, imo.

    I seriously doubt that Tony would be arsed doing that either; doesn’t seem at all like his ‘style’, to me.

  326. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:04 am

    I think it’s more likely to be Bacchus. He’s proved himself by going to the trouble of following many of my comments to TPS. His contribution is to be the opposite of me.

    It’s quite bizarre that he’s willing to waste his time following me around.

  327. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:10 am

    Perhaps. The 3-way squirrels might indicate that, although I did wonder whether 730 was Bacchus. But then, I think Bacchus is a bit smarter than 730.

  328. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:19 am

    “But then, I think Bacchus is a bit smarter than 730.”

    That’s starting off a very low base……………….

  329. Tony permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:21 am

    It’s not me.

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:24 am

    I think 7.30 is quite smart, entirely different to Bacchus.

  331. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:44 am

    It’s not me.

    Is that contribution plagiarised? 😉

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:45 am

    The hard right here truly inhabit a world of their own choosing on this blog don’t they?

    Funny how the opinions expressed here don’t match many of the opinions of the people that I come across, but then I don’t get down to the pub much, into corporate boardrooms or make money off mining. From what I can see the liberal call for less government spending is only made so they can sack public sector workers and give the money to the private sector who don’t appear at all bothered by plussing up all their accounts and taking lots of money off the government with very little regulation or checks imposed. The private sector is not better at servicing the public needs and they are not cheaper at it. Everywhere that services are outsourced to business, the costs go up for the consumer.

    It is absolutely laughable that people who don’t consider themselves to be retarded actually can believe in a giant conspiracy theory between scientists and the world’s scientific bodies to redistribute wealth. It is breathtaking this gobbling up of a corporate propaganda campaign of vested interests. Perhaps people just “want” to believe these things because it makes them feel good about resisting any efforts to do the right thing by the environment that we all inhabit and which sustains us and the generations of their own families to come. How people can put a greedy need for $ before sustainability is beyond me. I hope they simply get pushed out of the way soon so that progress can begin.

    I think this occurs in private schools. The bureaucratic control needs to change.

    Teachers have a very strong union, pretty sure it works for the membership. Just think of it as working for one big individual agreement for the many! I think you are barking up the wrong tree trying to attack teachers. Most that I know are committed, capable and quite self sacrificing, trying to the best with what little resources the state gives them.
    Bureaucratic control certainly will change if julia has her way with that new imported US system where education is corporatised. Don’t worry, labor and neoliberalism are in a fond embrace.

    Barnaby is unashamedly an agrarian socialist.

    Yes, you could label him a “brainless watermelon” couldn’t you?

  333. All mine permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:52 am

    ‘Is that contribution plagiarised?’

    😯

  334. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:56 am

    “….Everywhere that services are outsourced to business, the costs go up for the consumer…..”

    1987 Qantas flight to Perth from Sydney and return $1,275

    2012 Qantas flight to Perth from Sydney and return $ 290

    How do I know ?

    I flew it once a month

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:05 am

    I’m not attacking the teachers, but the system is stuffed. There is no visible accountability in the management of the system.

    Principles should hold more authority within the school, have greater discretion in promotion and discipline. Odd as it may seem, I think there should be a stronger role for parent representatives in monitoring school academic performance and teaching appointments.

    I don’t think the performance pay concept works either; I’d prefer to see higher rates for teaching in lower socio economic schools.

    Schools should have a better connection to parents and the community, rather than to the bureaucracy.

    I also think the high level of militancy and industrialisation of teaching has diminished it as a profession, it has become more of a clique.

  336. September 5, 2012 11:09 am

    Did everybody enjoy Gina`s bleating video that is on todays morning news? .. I know I did. .. You can`t even tell she was reading from an auto-cue.

  337. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:10 am

    Kittylitter, I think if it an essential service that the consumer has no choice but to purchase, such as power, water, or even telecommunications, there is a good argument for public ownership. But the emphasis should be on less public ownership, simply because any dealings with a public (government) entity is frustratingly inefficient.

    Go to a public hospital and you will lose an entire day. Go down to VicRoads, the same. Yet you see people standing around, talking and laughing, because quite simply, the client doesn’t matter to them. They don’t have to worry about winning repeat business.

    People are leaving the public education system in droves and it has nothing to do with funding, but with standards.

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:14 am

    By the way…”Principals should hold more accountability….”

  339. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:23 am

    An Iron Ore price falling to $86.90 (Treasury forecast >$90) and Wayne has already spent the money from the MRRT

    With $11.3B in Long Term Debt, no wonder Fortescue Metals share price has gone into a death spiral this morning.

    Gillard and Swan are treating people as idiots if they continue to keep up this charade of a Surplus.

    Then again I think people like 730 probably still believes them.

  340. September 5, 2012 11:33 am

    Dear Armchair, the cult of Corporatology seem to think I should have multiple avatars, nicks, and wordpress accounts. .. How will this help Barnaby?

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:40 am

    ” It is absolutely laughable that people who don’t consider themselves to be retarded actually can believe in a giant conspiracy theory between scientists and the world’s scientific bodies the media and the Liberals to redistribute wealth bring down the government.

  342. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:45 am

    ‘…a giant conspiracy theory between scientists and the world’s scientific bodies to redistribute wealth.’

    Its not that simplistic, some scientists came up with a CC theory, the media ran with it and the politicians jumped on board a populist movement. On that score I blame the German reds.

    MSM has been remiss… because of cost cutting the watchdog was nowhere to be seen.

    No organised conspiracy, just a combo of enlightened self interest.

  343. September 5, 2012 11:54 am

    Jaws “I think people like 730 probably still believes them.”

    WTF makes you think I believe anything that comes out of Canberra?

  344. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:56 am

    ‘Yes, you could label him a “brainless watermelon” couldn’t you?’

    No, he’s not a ratbag… Barnaby wants economic and technological progress.

  345. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 12:12 pm

    “Barnaby wants economic and technological progress.”

    And that’s where I think he’s wrong about who ultimately owns “the Farm”. Whilst he has a very good point in sofar as we need too closely vet these acquisitions by foreigners ( I still prefer a lease of some sort) I think we are rapidly moving on from the traditional “Family Farm Model” to a Corporate Model where vast tracts of land will be joined to create Mega Farms where Corporates can afford the most cutting edge of equipment and technology to reap the largest yields possible from the Land.

    The Family Farm will probably end up niche farming for a select few (restaurants, specialized butchers etc) who want Wagyu or specialty cheeses, freerange pork, goats, lamb and that sort of thing.

    Coles and Woolies might one day wake up and find all the Family Farms gone thanks to them and be confronted by Corporates with a “F*** You” attitude who wont take the Coles or Woolies price as they’ll have the contacts OS to export their produce rather than be price takers.

    Then we’ll really have a problem

  346. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 12:23 pm

    I just noticed Morningstar Research has slapped an “Avoid” on investor purchases of Fortesue Metals Group

  347. September 5, 2012 12:25 pm

    Jaws “The Family Farm will probably end up niche farming ..”

    You`re correct jaws, mainly now corporate mono-culture farms. The family farms are well into decline, as are some of the rural towns. Remember when there was so many banks leaving towns.

  348. September 5, 2012 12:28 pm

    I grew up on a family farm. Out of about a dozen soldier settler properties on our dirt road, there is only ours & one other left.
    My Dad has started handing things over to my younger brother just this year, after working the place alone for about 40 years. It’s good to see Dad able to step away from it a little, he’s earned a rest. I am glad my brother is there & intends for it to perhaps one day be passed to his son(s). I’m happy as long as it stays in the family.
    I can’t think of anything worse than some big landholder gobbling the place up, knocking down the house & joining the land up to that already cannibalised next door.
    The farm is still viable.

  349. September 5, 2012 12:35 pm

    Also, I just watched that video from Revolting Rinehart.

    What a hideous beast. She won’t be winning many popularity contests, trying to lower the minimum wage & lecturing others on their lifestyles.
    It’s self evident that if she ever ran into genuine ‘hard work’, she’d have a coronary in about 10 minutes flat. She wants wage slaves to further bloat her gross wealth.

    I have a hard time swallowing a lecture about working harder from someone who was born into privilege. She’s an inhabitant of the fantasyland of the overentitled, with a platform bought with money & influence to peddle her self indulgences.

  350. September 5, 2012 12:41 pm

    I hope your brother can keep it going/viable for his family too dunny.
    I am not a fan of corporates gobbling every damn thing up.

  351. September 5, 2012 12:44 pm

    It’s never done much more than broken even. But it’s more about the lifestyle than expecting staggering profits.

    I’m just glad I can still go there whenever I want. Only half an hour in a car to peace of mind.

  352. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 12:46 pm

    “The farm is still viable.”

    Glad to hear it Toilet.

    Like I said there will be still room for the traditional model BUT when you start looking towards the big grain belts of NSW and Queensland I can see a multitude of “Great Wall” Combine Harvesters flying a lovely shade of red Hammer and Sickle flag heading in our direction

  353. September 5, 2012 12:50 pm

    No video on my computer. But seen Gina on the TV, bleating, what I found funny was the news said it was on youtube and the comments turned off !

  354. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 1:26 pm

    Glad we all agree about the future of family farms.

  355. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 1:34 pm

    Barnaby should consider his future, according to catlick prophecy the end of the world is happening later this month. I imagine his bags are packed.

    You’ll know if the rumour has legs…there will be ‘three days of darkness’ prior to the big event.

  356. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 1:49 pm

    “………You’ll know if the rumour has legs…there will be ‘three days of darkness’ prior to the big event.”

    Eg,

    I think its already started.

    Haven’t you seen the Iron Ore price today ?

  357. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 1:54 pm

    These iron ore miners (Not FMG) are looking very tempting at the moment.

    The Market concensus seems to be that Chinese Steel Mills are just running their current stockpiles right down for the time being

    This from Dow Jones

    “11:00AM [Dow Jones] For iron ore prices to remain at current lows, one-fifth of global steel output would need to shut, and remain shut for at least a year, the Commonwealth Bank of Australia estimates; “this is unlikely.

    Latest global steel output figures suggest growth of 1%-2% for 2012,” CBA says. It argues that although soft demand from steel mills has spurred the recent collapse in iron ore prices, destocking will have to reverse at some point.

    This should be “in a matter of months, on our current read,” the bank says. In addition to restocking activity among steel mills, further iron ore project delays and cancellations should help tighten supply to the market “leading to stronger prices in the next six to 12 months,” the house says. Spot iron ore 62% Fe at Tianjin port is down 2.5% at US$86.90/ton, its lowest level since October 2009.”

  358. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2012 2:04 pm

    K.Litter“Funny how the opinions expressed here don’t match many of the opinions of the people that I come across”

    You sound like the New York socialite who couldn’t understand how Reagan won as she didn’t know a single person who voted for him. But it is good that you are encountering different viewpoints. The next step is to try to understand the reasoning behind them. Then you are in a much better position to smash the bad arguments and you might even agree with some of the better points. If you get to the stage where you cop it from both sides then, while you might be gloriously wrong, at least you are thinking for yourself, free from the groupthink that polarises so much political debate.

    “From what I can see the liberal call for less government spending is only made so they can sack public sector workers and give the money to the private sector”

    This one you’ve definitely got arse-up. All wealth is generated by the private sector. Every cent the government spends is because the private sector has earned it and the government has taken it in taxes. We do know that generally the free market is more efficient in the allocation of resources. We also know that this is not universal and there are vital areas of market failure. There are areas where governments need to step in and provide services.

    We have been on a trend of ever-growing government for the past hundred years or so and the real issue is where the balance is. Where do we stop expanding government and disincentivising the private production of wealth. This is a legitimate question and one we need to answer before we become like the Club Med economies. We know that if the economy ceases to provide the wealth to enable a reasonable standard of living then the society we live in will be pretty fucked.

    An example of government stupidity is the investment of public funds in green energy projects. It is nice that Flannery has shares in Geodynamics and that the government has given it about $100m for its failed attempts to generate geothermal power (despite Flannery assuring us that “the technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward.”) It is also a waste of government money.

    The process is also open to moral hazard. Take solar company Solyndra. Obama gave them half a billion in loans which they pissed against the wall before going under. Unsurprisingly, Solyndra was financed by big Obama donors and the loan proposal was managed at the level of the White House. Strangely enough, in an inversion of the usual situation, the venture capitalists get their equity back before the lender (i.e. the US taxpayers) was repaid. It was also funny to see the Solyndra guy bolt for the door (a la Abbott and Pyne) when the camera crew spotted him at the Democrat convention.

    Same with the solar panel schemes which are basically welfare for middle class Greenies who can afford to install the stuff, subsidised by people who can’t by way of their inflated power bills. Christina Keneally installed solar panels on her house shortly before that expensive and wasteful scheme was closed down by her government.

    Governments are very bad at picking winners although the cronies who benefit from government largess seem to do alright. Governments are also inefficient in the way they carry out their programs. The comparison between the way government and private schools spent their BER cash is instructive to the tune of billions of dollars.

    “It is absolutely laughable that people who don’t consider themselves to be retarded actually can believe in a giant conspiracy theory between scientists and the world’s scientific bodies to redistribute wealth.”

    This sort of straw-man thinking won’t help you understand why people distrust the AGW alarmists. Here is how I became very sceptical.

    I began by being alarmed on seeing Al Gore’s inconvenient truth. The thing that convinced me, the thing that was front and centre at all pro-AGW presentations, was the hockey stick graph. Showing such a clear temperature trend from straight line to a dramatic upturn which coincides with increased anthropogenic CO2 looked fairly decisive. If the earlier view, as set out in the first IPCC report which showed that the Medieval Warm Period was hotter than today prevailed then recent temperature increases could be attributed to natural variation.

    The trouble is that the hockey stick graph was based on deeply flawed analysis. But even worse, and here is where I really started to wonder, when the US congress appointed scientific bodies to examine the hockey stick graph, the authors would not release the data and statistical analysis on which it was based. They eventually had to be subpoenaed. And then it turned out they got it badly wrong.

    My view is that you don’t go spending trillions on the basis of a scientific hypothesis when the “scientists” won’t allow their results to be checked. That isn’t science at all. I won’t bore you with other examples (unless you really want them), but we should definitely disregard the work of those who will not let their results be independently analysed.

    Now I don’t believe that this is some massive conspiracy, although it is certainly an example of how politics and groupthink subvert science. What we do see is moral hazard at every level. Governments are much more likely to fund projects seeking to support the AGW hypothesis. A senior Australian physicist complained that the only way he can fund his 14 researchers is to ensure there is an AGW angle to his submissions.

    The money invested in proving the AGW hypothesis is massive compared to the almost complete lack of funds invested in critically examining the hypothesis.

    Further those academics who do disagree and say so publicly are subject to retaliation – sacking, de-funding and vicious personal attacks. The usual scientific way of dealing with a paper that you think is wrong is to do a study which refutes it. In the world of AGW it is more likely that the “Hockey Team” will demonise you and agitate for your dismissal or demotion.

    And there is much, much more in this vein.

    Now, you can call me retarded if you like, but that really doesn’t do much to advance rational discussion.

  359. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 2:17 pm

    Also, I just watched that video from Revolting Rinehart.

    What a hideous beast. She won’t be winning many popularity contests, trying to lower the minimum wage & lecturing others on their lifestyles.
    It’s self evident that if she ever ran into genuine ‘hard work’, she’d have a coronary in about 10 minutes flat. She wants wage slaves to further bloat her gross wealth.

    I have a hard time swallowing a lecture about working harder from someone who was born into privilege. She’s an inhabitant of the fantasyland of the overentitled, with a platform bought with money & influence to peddle her self indulgences.

    Toilet, I haven’t seen the video, but was she advocating lower wages or was she just pointing out the comparitive challenges faced by our mining industry, one of which is obviously labour costs?

    Or as the resident Twitter “perpetually outraged” claim was she suggesting Australian workers should be paid $2 per day?

  360. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 2:26 pm

    Labor. It’s in their DNA. This time it’s Conroy involved.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/darebin-council-awaits-its-fate-20120904-25d04.html

  361. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 2:52 pm

    Totally agree with all of Splatter’s comment.

  362. September 5, 2012 2:55 pm

    She has called for the minimum wage to be cut, snacty.

    I’m not surprised that you’d be twisting every which way to put the best possible spin on her grizzling.

    What about the stability of African nations?

    I wonder why she had comments disabled on the Youtube vid, hmmmm?

    So, once she’s made her billions here, she’s off to exploit developing nations’ labour at $2 a day?…no moral issue there at all, I suppose.

    Hilarious, the world’s most obscene woman calling for a reduction in wages of our lowest paid.

    If it’s any consolation, a certain Herald Sun polemicist has also recognised the PR danger inherent in Gina’s public opinionating & is acting to muddy the waters & provide her with a morally ambiguous rearguard defence; just like you, as it happens. Coincidentally you’ve both ticked all of the boxes. It’s all for the good of Australians, you see. Gina has bought the right to tell us all what we don’t deserve. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with her wanting to monopolise & profiteer.

  363. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 3:46 pm

    It was a genuine question, Toilet. I haven’t seen the video. But she was certainly misrepresented in her comments the other day about getting out of the pub.

  364. public toilet permalink
    September 5, 2012 3:56 pm

    She should keep yapping.

    People love it when they’re talked down to by the world’s richest beanbag.
    It really helps to bridge the class divide that Gina The Hutt likes moaning about. I can’t for the life of me understand why we all don’t just take her kind judgements & be supremely grateful. She could really show Joe average a thing or two about hard work!

    Note to the snotty, rightwing heiress…you’d help your cause by shutting the fuck up. Leave off with the undue influence, purchased pontificating & unwelcome observations about the lives of the majority who weren’t born with golden ladles in their bloated hands.

  365. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:01 pm

    If Gina had the appearance of Aphrodite…would toilet have a different view?

  366. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:03 pm

    “Labor. It’s in their DNA. This time it’s Conroy involved.”

    Oh…….Nooooooooooooooo

    Not the HSU again……………!

  367. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:16 pm

    “If Gina had the appearance of Aphrodite…would toilet have a different view?”

    Toilet has long been obsessed by Gina. Every waking moment she seems to occupy his mind

    I have long suspected that he actually harbours an absolutely overwhelming case of the “hots” for Gina.

  368. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:17 pm

    LOL

  369. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:20 pm

    Where’s our Blogmaster today ?

    He’s not in secret peace talks with the Taliban of the Blogosphere is he ?

  370. September 5, 2012 4:38 pm

    “If Gina had the appearance of Aphrodite…would toilet have a different view?”

    What a ridiculous statement. 🙄

    Her appearance gives me the impression that she has never seen 5 minutes of ‘hard work’. Aside from that, my objections are all about her disproportionate influence stemming from her gross inherited (not earned…there is a big difference) wealth. She has never been in any position to appreciate genuine struggle & sure as hell shouldn’t be pressuring government to reduce the wages of the lowest paid in this country.
    That she is morbidly obese is her disadvantage, not mine. It does suggest a lack of self control & overindulgence; but she’s the one that has to live & die in that body, not me.

    I’m quite happy to label Clive Palmer & Michael Moore the same way, if that makes you feel better about it. I won’t be apologising for anything I’ve said about Rinehart.

    I find it remarkable that it’s being inferred that I’d feel differently about her carry on if she was ‘attractive’. That’s like saying I’d agree with her if she was male. What a bunch of bullshit.
    It’s not so different to the way raaaaaaacist is used.

  371. September 5, 2012 4:52 pm

    The poor diddums landscaper with tentacles that go all the way to the top might shed some crocodile tears at this news…

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/breaking-news/gillard-rejects-ginas-zone-wage-calls/story-e6frea7l-1226465689338

    …flatly dismissed Gina Rinehart’s call for a special economic zone in Australia’s north.

  372. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:55 pm

    Rita is a radio commentator I follow on Twitter. She lives somewhere on the Mornington Peninsula. Today she tweeted….

    Have called my wifi network “ASIO surveillance – Peninsula 6” to mess with next door neighbour. It’s working.

  373. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:58 pm

    I doubt that cutting the minimum wage would have much effect on the mining industry as the anecdotal evidence in my possession is that no-one in the mining industry is on the minimum wage in any event. I could be wrong.

  374. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 4:59 pm

    ‘What a ridiculous statement.’

    ‘…the world’s richest beanbag, Gina The Hutt, has bloated hands.’

    There, fixed it.

  375. September 5, 2012 5:04 pm

    “There, fixed it.”

    Err, no.

    I don’t deny using language prejudiced against her ‘fitness level’ to describe Rinehart. I’ve already stated that I won’t be apologising for that, especially while she sits in one place lecturing others about the virtues of ‘hard work’.

    What you tried to suggest was that if she was ‘fitter’ that I’d have a different view of her proclamations. That’s just total shit…& no amount of cute rearranging of my sentences changes that.

  376. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 5:13 pm

    OK so you only despise Gina because of her monstrous wealth, we in very small business see her differently. It’s a matter of perspective.

    “Small business, the backbone of Australia, are the ones most hurt by the cost and delays of this,” Gina said.

    “Those Mum and Dads who employ one or more other people, mortgaging their homes, forgo holidays and working long hours to stay in business and cope.”

  377. September 5, 2012 5:57 pm

    “Where’s our Blogmaster today ?”

    I’ve been out. Doing a bit of arts and culture (an alien concept around these parts I know)..

    I was at this Exhibition…

    http://www.mossgreen.com.au/gallery/current.asp?idExhibition=1209108

  378. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:05 pm

    Nice pics, reb. Do they have one relating to my favourite Bowie lyric: “defecating ecstasy”?

  379. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:15 pm

    Bowie always looks like a really miserable SOB

  380. September 5, 2012 6:21 pm

    Sorry Splatterbottom, nothing from the Diamond Dogs era…..

  381. Economics 101 permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:24 pm

    ‘So, once she’s made her billions here, she’s off to exploit developing nations’ labour at $2 a day?…no moral issue there at all, I suppose.’

    I’ll expand on this when I’ve got more time but the workers in those nations are much better off with those jobs than without them. They are not slaves and do those jobs voluntarily because it is better than the alternative – which in most cases is no job. The wages are set by local market conditions. In fact, the more companies that go to developing nations, the more competition for labour which drives wages up.

  382. September 5, 2012 6:27 pm

    “Bowie always looks like a really miserable SOB”

    Probably for good reason. There’s a history of mental illness in his family. His mum was a paranoid schizophrenic as was his brother, who ended up committing suicide in the eary 90’s by placing his head on some railway tracks while on day release from the pysch ward.

  383. Economics 101 permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:27 pm

    *the more competition for labour, which drives wages up.

  384. September 5, 2012 6:33 pm

    I’ve got news for you & Gina. It’s not just ‘Mum & Dad small businesses’ who forgo holidays & work long hours to cope.

    She speaks from self interest. She wants a cheap, flexible disposable workforce & tax concessions over & above what mere plebs face.
    Also, it’s not just her monstrous wealth which I take issue with. It’s that she uses her wealth & position to try & influence regulatory outcomes in her favour.
    How many ordinary people get that kind of leverage?…none.

  385. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2012 6:47 pm

    “she’s off to exploit developing nations’ labour at $2 a day?…no moral issue there at all, I suppose”

    There is indeed a moral issue there. Gina should be encouraged to provide as many jobs as possible in such countries. People will take the jobs if she offers the going rate or above. That is a very good thing indeed. The workers earn more than if she wasn’t providing jobs for them.

    It is utterly immoral to discourage her from doing that. There is no logical or moral basis for others setting some other arbitrary non-market rate at which she must pay workers. That will result either in fewer jobs or no jobs at all.

    Thankfully we have not got to the stage where moralising bureaucrats set a world-wide minimum wage. This means that there is still some prospect of raising the standard of living in third world countries.

  386. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 7:04 pm

    ‘She wants a cheap, flexible disposable workforce & tax concessions over & above what mere plebs face.’

    The fact that the miners get paid more than ordinary plebs, Gina believes labour competition is good for her shareholders. This is clearly a divisive issue, with its origins in the 19th century it has become deeply imbedded.

    Lowering Australian wage rates cannot happen, it would be political suicide.

    ‘The wages are set by local market conditions. In fact, the more companies that go to developing nations, the more competition for labour which drives wages up.’

    Good onya Tony…I luvs the free market.

  387. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 7:12 pm

    Also, it’s not just her monstrous wealth which I take issue with. It’s that she uses her wealth & position to try & influence regulatory outcomes in her favour.
    How many ordinary people get that kind of leverage?…none.

    I dunno, there’s a few corrupt trade unionists who seem to do ok on the influence front.

  388. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 7:45 pm

    Labor can’t be trusted on the environment, says Milne. Is this loose coalition about to collapse, leading to a premature election?

  389. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 7:58 pm

    Libs are fuming over this old school association.

    ‘Mr Abbott today said Mr Joyce was “a local” who lived very near to Cubbie Station.

    “I can understand why Barnaby and local people feel strongly about this,” Mr Abbott said.

    One senior Liberal said there was a lot of frustration about the special rules for Mr Joyce.

    “Everyone is talking about it … no one can understand how he gets away with it. But he always does.”

    “Tony seems to treat Barnaby with kid gloves,” another said.

    ‘One senior Liberal insisted Mr Abbott had “repeatedly” spoken to Mr Joyce, “but he just ignores him”.

    ‘Asked if Mr Abbott had tried to pull Mr Joyce into line, his spokesman said the Coalition leader “talked to his colleagues all of the time”.

    ‘Normal rules of shadow cabinet solidarity rules still apply to other Coalition frontbenchers.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/solidarity-rule-doesnt-apply-to-joyce-angry-coalition-mps-20120905-25dx7.html#ixzz25aUSewVf

  390. Stern warning permalink
    September 5, 2012 8:58 pm

    And for those who wonder about the motives of climate sceptics, here’s some reading material:

    ‘Although the IPCC concludes that it is impossible to say whether the cost of preventing global warming would be more or less than the benefits of doing so, Stern claims the costs will be only a fifth to a twentieth of the benefits.’

    ‘His Review was an exercise not in evidence based policy making but in policy-based evidence making.’

    ‘Sir Nicholas, now Lord Stern, was portrayed as an expert even though he had never published before on the economics of energy, environment or climate.’

    http://www.thegwpf.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Lilley-Stern_Rebuttal.pdf

  391. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:14 pm

    ‘The Stern Review projects a world in which, even if we do nothing to prevent global warming, average incomes will rise by, on the gloomiest scenario, seven times and otherwise up to twelve times their current level by 2200.’

    The power of free enterprise.

  392. el gordo permalink
    September 5, 2012 9:36 pm

    The UK has a new environment secretary who intends turning his back on the green agenda and go with gas. His name is Owen Paterson.

    http://www.cityam.com/forum/britain-can-finally-make-the-dash-gas-paterson

  393. September 5, 2012 10:46 pm

    Splatter-Bum “This one you’ve definitely got arse-up. All wealth is generated by the private sector. Every cent the government spends is because the private sector has earned it and the government has taken it in taxes.”

    This is one of those shallow, at face-value americanisms teabags call truth. But when inspected deeper, the reverse is usually true. If this americanism is applied to Gina, it ignores the Taxpayer/government owner mineral asset that, her father was given for mere pennies in the dollar. This applies to all mining of course, and logging wild forrests.

  394. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:48 pm

    DJs has Christmas decorations up.

    It’s a fucking outrage

  395. September 5, 2012 10:50 pm

    Correction, the Taxpayer/government OWNED mineral asset

  396. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 10:56 pm

    Sorry 730 but the government mineral asset only has value if the Private Sector places a value on it. It ( the asset) was not created by the government.

    So Splatters argument still stands.

  397. JAWS permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:01 pm

    Ahem . ……Martin Ferguson has also today compared our mining industry to Africa’s.

    Seems Gina’s rant is being misrepresented although having seen it she really can be taken
    on a “road trip” of interpretations.

    It was silly of her to be baited by Swan to “engage” in the debate about Billionaires at all.

  398. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:29 pm

    Owned by which government/which taxpayers, 730?

  399. September 6, 2012 12:14 am

    Jaws .. “Sorry 730 but the government mineral asset only has value if the Private Sector places a value on it. It ( the asset) was not created by the government.”
    +
    +
    That`s moronic Jaws.
    The “mineral asset” was not created by the government.
    Of course its not, it is a naturally occurring asset, are you trying to claim it is “created” by corporatism? BTW Wild Logging, ditto.

  400. September 6, 2012 12:28 am

    James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2012 11:29 pm

    Owned by which government/which taxpayers, 730?
    +

    +
    self evident if you bothered to scroll UP

  401. Capable of Independent Thought? Really? permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:31 am

    This one you’ve definitely got arse-up. All wealth is generated by the private sector. Every cent the government spends is because the private sector has earned it and the government has taken it in taxes.”

    This is one of those shallow, at face-value americanisms teabags call truth. But when inspected deeper, the reverse is usually true.

    Most definitely.

    http://heteconomist.com/?p=622

    Taxes are not needed to fund government expenditure. Rather, government expenditure creates money that then cycles back in the form of tax payments. Government expenditure ‘finances’ tax payments.

    So, in a fiat money system, there is no need for taxes to be used as a means of funding government expenditure.Taxes are not needed to fund government expenditure. Rather, government expenditure creates money that then cycles back in the form of tax payments. Government expenditure ‘finances’ tax payments.

    So, in a fiat money system, there is no need for taxes to be used as a means of funding government expenditure.

    That should send the mentally challenged here into a spin 😆

  402. September 6, 2012 1:02 am

    Capable of Independent TrickleDownt? Reaganomics?
    What a Load of gish galloping, off topic, americanism nonsense.

  403. September 6, 2012 1:14 am

    Jaws .. “Martin Ferguson has also today compared our mining industry to Africa’s.”
    Yeah, that is probably pretty dumb, plenty of African mines are worked by slaves. Not a clever thing to mention when Gina wants visas for own off-shore slaves.

  404. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:52 am

    This one you’ve definitely got arse-up. All wealth is generated by the private sector.

    The private sector privatises profits and socialises losses to the taxpayer though government.

    The wealth being generated by the private sector is because government is sending it their way. Privatising almost everything that can be turned into a profit, it doesn’t need to be so, but the private sector demands it, apparently they’ll all be rooned if they don’t get government funding and support through legislation. The private sector couldn’t exist without the rebates, tax cuts and wealth creating assistance that is given to it. It certainly doesn’t do it on it’s own, we could only wish it would, the taxpayer would be much better off.

    The money invested in proving the AGW hypothesis is massive compared to the almost complete lack of funds invested in critically examining the hypothesis.

    hehe, I think you might have the scientific method arse about, a hypothesis is either proven or disproven by the research itself, that is what scientists do! Disproving the hypothesis is incorporated into scientific inquiry, I can’t believe that you are so ignorant of the process.
    Are you really, actually, trying to say say that the fossil fuel industy doesn’t have enough money to fund research to prove their denier claims? now we are into the realm of delusion.

    just a bit more reading for you:

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/the-montford-delusion/

    SecularAnimist– I did some research into grants for climate science vs. revenues for fossil fuel-related industries and found that in 2008 (the latest year for which all the data I needed was available), globally governments spent about $3.8 billion on researching climate science (and that’s a high estimate, given how much of that money goes to multi-purpose satellites) while the fossil fuel-related industries I could track had revenues of about $9 trillion, or 15% of the entire global economy. And that number was a minimum, not a max, given the way I did my analysis.

    Further those academics who do disagree and say so publicly are subject to retaliation – sacking, de-funding and vicious personal attacks. The usual scientific way of dealing with a paper that you think is wrong is to do a study which refutes it.

    hehe, so where are all these studies from the deniers? 😆

    I think you’ve got the intimidation and attacks arse about too, i think you should follow some of your own advice and encounter some different viewpoints, it might enlighten you.

    Climate scientists not cowed by relentless climate change deniers

  405. September 6, 2012 3:18 am

    The Faith based science of Moncktonology has denial as evidence.

  406. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 3:52 am

    Gina obviously had some media instruction in preparation for her foray into public address, it showed in her careful inunciation of words and she was obviously reading from the autocue.
    Yes, it would have been better to allow comments from her audience, she might have got some helpful feedback.

    Seems she is jealous of the wages paid to mine workers in a third world country. I don’t think anyone is stopping her from going to Sth. Africa, buying up mines and employing people are they? I think that might be a great solution, we get to have our national resources left in the ground and we get rid of her greedy self interest with additional display of how wealth and power can affect democracy by influencing public opinion. I think she should go and ‘help’ africa.
    Oh, she wants their wages brought here? Perhaps she wants to have all miners shot dead if they dare to strike for better wages which is what happened in sth africa recently. The better idea if she really wants to help people would be to import those poor workers here and pay them our award wages.

    Gina really thinks that we need to hear what she has to say, she is determined to be heard. Australia needs to get on board with gina’s plans for the country, which by coincidence, happen to be making her even wealthier, all in the national interest of course. I’m surprised she didn’t drape the aussie flag around her shoulders. I notice that like prissy pyne, the voice is now a lower pitch when compared to her other public speaking efforts where she has a breathless, baby girl voice. The koch bros would be so proud of her.

    Romney Campaign Memo: The Koch Brothers Are The ‘Financial Engine Of The Tea Party’

  407. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 4:21 am

    oops, inunciation = enunciation

  408. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:03 am

    ‘The Faith based science of Moncktonology has denial as evidence.’

    Could you elaborate on that?

  409. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:09 am

    When they first discovered gold in Australia the government tried to keep it quiet, but because of its rare value the word became irrepressible and the rush was on.

    Free enterprise is a wonderful thing.

  410. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2012 8:24 am

    Well 730, it appears as though you believe that the Federal Government/Australian taxpayer owns the mineral resources. Is that right? Because if so, you are wrong.

  411. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 9:05 am

    ‘all in the national interest of course.’

    Gina pays her taxes directly and indirectly according to law, which is a fantastic boost in the national interest.

  412. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 9:32 am

    “…Oh, she wants their wages brought here? Perhaps she wants to have all miners shot dead if they dare to strike for better wages which is what happened in sth africa recently..”

    On seeing Gina’s video, and as if on cue, Kitty whips herself up into a frenzy of spitting and gnashing of teeth then wetz herself and unashamedly goes on to totally misrepresent the Gina video.

    A video which was actually about the relative costs of doing business in one country as opposed to another and the difficulties faced by miners due to the much higher costs of doing business here and therefore the pressing need to ensure that Australia does everything possible to remain competitive in the face of hostile IR laws (look at Grocon) and red tape.

    Where exactly did Gina say that Australian workers should be paid $2 per day ?

  413. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 9:41 am

    “This is one of those shallow, at face-value americanisms teabags call truth. But when inspected deeper, the reverse is usually true. If this americanism is applied to Gina, it ignores the Taxpayer/government owner mineral asset that, her father was given for mere pennies in the dollar.”

    What a load of crap 730.

    Using your logic someone who paid $700 for a house in inner city Sydney back in the 1960s should be hit with a huge tax bill now because it was “given for mere pennies in the dollar” compared to its worth today.

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2012 9:49 am

    Armie: “The private sector privatises profits”

    What does this mean? The private sector earns profits. They don’t “privatise” profits in the way the government nationalises businesses by compulsory acquisition, they generate them.

    in Obama la-la land of course “you didn’t earn that, somebody else did”. But that is just the typical leftist view of the world – way beyond stupid.

    “and socialises losses to the taxpayer though government.”

    This is what socialist governments do. It is crony capitalism at its worst. Here is how it works in Australia – the unions cripple the auto industry so the government gives the manufacturers money which they then split with the union.

    “The wealth being generated by the private sector is because government is sending it their way.”

    This statement is not related to the real world. It applies in the world of government funded unicorn farms aka green energy schemes where governments fund wildly uneconomic businesses for political reasons. This was the case with Geodynamics. It always ends in tears.

    When it comes to allocation of resources governments are utterly incompetent as the leftist command economies of the 20th century demonstrated. Inevitably they brought poverty, misery and death to hundreds of millions of people.

    The role of the government, and this is its essential role, is to set the regulatory framework which allows free markets to function efficiently. In that sense, government is essential, but it is ridiculous to say that the government is sending wealth to the private sector. Having established the framework, the wealth still has to be earned. People take large risks, work extraordinarily hard, risk their capital and mortgage their houses to pursue their ideas. They often go bust in the process. Society benefits from this process.

    The taxation system socialises the profits taking a large chunk (at least 30%) of the upside and none of the losses. Of course there is the utterly discredited idea that governments can just print money. While there is an argument that short-term pump-priming may work in some situations, it is clear that printing money is a complete failure as a permanent policy, leading inevitably to hyper-inflation.

    “The private sector couldn’t exist without the rebates, tax cuts and wealth creating assistance that is given to it.”

    Wrong again. Governments abuse the tax system by introducing distortions. This results in the mis-allocation of resources. The tax system should not be used for this purpose. A well designed tax should be economically neutral. If government wants to subsidise particular businesses it should do so through direct grants. Even that is usually wrong, but at least it is more transparent.

    “I think you might have the scientific method arse about, a hypothesis is either proven or disproven by the research itself, that is what scientists do!”

    You are missing the point here.

    If scientists do not allow their work to be critically examined, as is the modus operandi with the Hockey Team, then it is not science. It should be excluded from consideration when governments allocate funding.

    One contentious area in climate science is the modelling of future climate outcomes. These models allow proponents of massive government expenditure to say that without that expenditure our climate will be very much worse. So far the models and the predictions based on them have been comprehensively wrong.

    Again, if the modelers will not allow their models to be checked, they should be disregarded when it comes to formulating government policy.

    “Are you really, actually, trying to say say that the fossil fuel industy doesn’t have enough money to fund research to prove their denier claims?”

    I am saying that massively more money is spent financing research by the proponents of the AGW hypothesis. The most telling criticisms have come from people like Steve McIntyre who receive virtually no funding at all. Real Climate was set up by Hockey Team buffoons like the infinitely stupid Gavin Schmidt. It is less credible even than Deltoid. Both of these sites defend the non-disclosure of data and code and thus are not to be taken seriously.

  415. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 9:51 am

    Hear hear Jaws…

  416. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:13 am

    I think those claiming to have seen the video and getting all worked up either haven’t seen the video or are placing their own quite weird interpretation on the words spoken in the video. Just as occurred last week with regards to Gina’s apparent advice to Australian workers to get out of the pub, another fabrication.

    It’s a good indicator that the more Teh Left get worked up about something, the less that something is likely to have occurred or been said.

  417. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:18 am

    Here is one for the wannabe Assange bareback riders.

  418. September 6, 2012 10:34 am

    “Where exactly did Gina say that Australian workers should be paid $2 per day ?”

    i think it’s pretty fkn obvious to anyone with half a brain that the fact that she mentioned African workers are prepared to work for $2 a day, that she believes Australian workers doing the same job are paid too much by comparison.

    Why else mention it if that wasn’t her point….?

    Or do the Gina apologists here believe she was making some other sort of point…? Australian workers aren’t paid enough perhaps…..???

    🙄

  419. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:41 am

    I took her point to be more about red and green tape. The talk about African workers was merely to illustrate some of the competitive disadvantages when compared to other nations. The Mining Industry aren’t paying minimum wages so dropping the minimum wage would have no effect on Labor costs anyway. The demand for the labour is simply too high.

    She’s just saying “in light of all of this, stop making things fkn worse”.

  420. September 6, 2012 10:44 am

    She’s just saying “in light of all of this, stop making things fkn worse”.

    Chuckle…

    What, in case she might end up down to her last sixty grand again…?

    I’m sorry, but I just can’t seem to find words to describe my sympathy for the woes of the world’s richest woman (but it amuses me that you can)…

    🙂

  421. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:50 am

    ‘Why else mention it if that wasn’t her point….?’

    Gina’s flirt with Fairfax has turned her into a media junkie, successfully gaining the limelight on this occasion. She is well advised.

  422. September 6, 2012 10:52 am

    “successfully gaining the limelight on this occasion”

    I’d suggest that’s a matter of opinion.

  423. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:53 am

    “i think it’s pretty fkn obvious to anyone with half a brain that”……….. she mentioned it so as to make people with half a brain aware that that’s who we are to competing with and that we need to stop throwing up barriers to investment via Draconian IR Laws (which now predate Keating’s reforms) and Red Tape.

    “Why else mention it if that wasn’t her point….?”

    So why does she want to import 1700 workers (and allowed to by the Federal Government ) and pay them the same rate ?

  424. September 6, 2012 11:01 am

    Come now Jaws, answering a question with a question?

  425. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 11:11 am

    She’s not saying people should be paid $2 per day. However I do agree that

    1) She should have had some advice as to scripting as anything she did say was always going to be used/twisted against her if she was not careful as to her language. It was not a wise comparison. She should have used Brazil as Vale are BHP, Rio and Gina’s chief competitors.

    2) She should just stay out of the limelight as she did prior to the MRRT. Swan has successfully baited her into it.

    The irony of all Swan’s baiting is that looking at the Iron Ore price predictions for the next 2 months he’ll struggle to raise even a fraction of his MRRT. And if the predictions are wrong on the high side then its Goodbye Twiggy and Fortescue. He cant make a profit and pay his debts at a price below $90 a tonne.

    PS. Most of Gina’s frigging wealth is still in the ground and being measured at prices that no longer apply.

  426. September 6, 2012 11:15 am

    “looking at the Iron Ore price predictions for the next 2 months he’ll struggle to raise even a fraction of his MRRT”

    Perhaps Gina would have been better served to have focused on that, or better still, not bothered with the video clip at all….

  427. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 11:17 am

    What, in case she might end up down to her last sixty grand again…?

    Actually, she quite specifically excludes herself from those deserving of sympathy. As she points out, she is unlikely to be affected by drops in profits. It’s the employees who are going to lose out.

  428. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 11:19 am

    “……or better still, not bothered with the video clip at all….”

    Agreed

    There was nothing to gain. It was filmed for a conference by the way. She should have either attended and delivered a speech or not bothered.

  429. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:09 pm

    My opinion is that Gina is well advised and her timing impeccable.

  430. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:12 pm

    Twiggy’s Fortescue is getting absolutely hammered on the ASX this morning. Down another 8% even after yesterday’s bloodbath.

  431. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:13 pm

    The Twitterverse is going nuts. Just imagine if the language prevailing was used with regards to Julia Gillard instead of Gina Rinehart. Might wander over to the Cafe and read the stream of objections which will no doubt appear due to the misogyny.

  432. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:23 pm

    Gina’s senior principle adviser in media matters is John Singleton, (commonly known as Singo), a working class lad from Croyden Park who hates Labor.

  433. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:28 pm

    Yep, as I expected. Silent outrage!!

  434. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:39 pm

    “Might wander over to the Cafe and read the stream of objections….”

    Why bother ?

    You’ll just be confronted by TomRs laughable defence of his beloved Carbon Tax (Ooops Price) and how abolishing the floor price is now brilliant policy and tying up to the Euro price is just another example of thinking worthy of Einstein……..blah……….blah………….blah all whilst he’s surrounded by seniors in their rocking chairs nodding in agreement .

    Yep……..nothing’s changed

  435. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:40 pm

    Twiggy’s Company Secretary has resigned.

    Not a good look

  436. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:47 pm

    Funny how the Lefties never address the question of what they are now going to do with all the compensation being paid out but with no offsetting Carbon Tax to finance it.

    That q is just an “Inconvenient Truth”

  437. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:51 pm

    In mid April Fortescue was at just over $6.00 per share.

    It just hit $2.81 after opening at $3.11 this morning.

  438. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 12:56 pm

    The “Inconvenient Truth”

    LOL

  439. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 1:37 pm

    And this is just the sort of crap Gina was warning about………..

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/working-days-lost-to-strikes-hit-eight-year-high-in-australia/story-fn59niix-1226466381899

  440. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 1:44 pm

    ‘The concerns over Chinese investment were exaggerated and the total stock of their investment was tiny compared with European and American investments, he said.’

    Martin, Kai and Yeates paraphrasing Dr Parkinson at the Ken Henry gathering.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/outraged-at-chinese-buying-our-land-henry-asks-then-why-sell-20120905-25erj.html#ixzz25eoJ7kcP

  441. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 1:51 pm

    A video which was actually about the relative costs of doing business in one country as opposed to another and the difficulties faced by miners due to the much higher costs of doing business here

    Yes, her massive wealth is testament to just how difficult that is, is she whinging because she can’t have more quickly enough?
    Why do australian businesses keep comparing australia with poverty stricken third world countries? Do they think australia should be the same? Workers should be one step above street beggars?

    Having established the framework, the wealth still has to be earned. People take large risks, work extraordinarily hard, risk their capital and mortgage their houses to pursue their ideas. They often go bust in the process. Society benefits from this process.

    Here we go again, only business owners work hard and take risks, their workers and other ordinary every day workers who toil away for them, the public face of the business, doing the hard grunt, they just don’t participate in any of that process or advantage businesses in any way! Don’t know why the owner bothers having workers at all really, they are so hardworking, they should just do the whole lot themselves.
    What about the risk of workers in the business when all of their entitlements earned through loyalty and backbreaking labour just disappear overnight?

    I’m not going to bother polluting this thread with CC debate when there is a perfectly good CO2 thread existing for that purpose which for some reason the deniers refuse to use. I really can’t be bothered refuting the same shit that has been already debunked, over and over again. All I can say is that you are wilfully determined to cherry pick one or two valid criticisms that may exist in a mountain of evidence and say that renders the entire mountain non existent. You’ve gotta be wilfully ignorant and blind to argue against the science and that is evidenced by the amount of fudging, twisting and outright lying that comes from the denier camp.

    “We can’t afford to give the reins of government to someone who will double down on trickle down”…A pretty good speech and delivery by ‘big dog’ clinton, he effortlessly explained the economics to people and completely exposed the republicans.

    liveblogging:

    “let the BIG DOG hunt. He’s got the scent and barking the GOP up a big assed tree.”

    “Clinton is so damn good. No wonder they were so scared of him that they impeached him.”

    “I’ll guarantee you Mitt Romney wishes he could strop the big dog to his roof and drive him to Canada.”

    “I don’t think Bill Clinton is ever going to stop. And I don’t want him to.”…

  442. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 1:52 pm

    ‘The concerns over Chinese investment were exaggerated and the total stock of their investment was tiny compared with European and American investments, he said.’

    Good

    So it’s a good time to talk about what really is in the National Interest before the matter ( i.e.any foreign ownership) gets out of hand.

    Too many commentators say……………

    ”….hey we are an open economy that’s just how it is”

    So then why is it OK for them to buy our farming land but its not OK for them to buy our residential property (since the ALP idiots changed back to the original Howard era laws on residential ownership after initially changing them )

  443. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 1:58 pm

    Kitty

    Seems you missed this quote

    “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

    Read more: http://clashdaily.com/2012/09/clinton-on-obama-a-few-years-ago-this-guy-wouldve-been-carrying-our-bags/#ixzz25erLlnUl

    But I s’pose that would not have fitted in with your Republican rascism theory of last week so I can understand why you missed it.

  444. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:02 pm

    ‘I’m not going to bother polluting this thread with CC debate when there is a perfectly good CO2 thread existing for that purpose which for some reason the deniers refuse to use.’

    I dare you to drop in and see the depth of our work, a couple of us are preparing a scoop.

  445. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:11 pm

    ‘…so I can understand why you missed it.’

    groupthink no less

  446. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:15 pm

    My opinion is that Gina is well advised and her timing impeccable.

    neil in disguise, or just riffing off him?

    twitter:
    …Big Dog: Don’t hate…calculate. #arithmetic

    20m US Reality Check ‏@USRealityCheck

    2012 Democratic convention: The Big Dog brings down the house: Watch live video here and join the conver… http://bit.ly/OQUSYW dk #P2

    28m Greg Mitchell‏@GregMitch

    The Big Dog kicked brass

    34m Mark Lotto‏@marklotto

    “Big Dog!” “Big Dog Barking!” An actual exchange in the streets just now. #billclinton #ArenaElvis

    37m Upworthy‏@Upworthy

    FUN FACT: @michelleobama’s speech was written 7 grade levels above Ann Romney’s. Wonder what Big Dog’s was? http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/09/michelle_obamas_dnc_speech_wri.php

    44m evale72‏@evale72

    Big dog. Drops mike.

    46m Upworthy‏@Upworthy

    Big Dog is basically filibustering the insubstantial noise of the entire campaign season with this speech. #KeepGoingTilNovemberBill

    49m Upworthy‏@Upworthy

    Big Dog just got people to give MATH a standing ovation. If that doesn’t bode well for the future of education in America, what will?

    51m Dennis (dmerser91)‏@dmerser91

    This is what GOP gets for bitching about teleprompters for so long. Big Dog goes off the cuff and destroys them.

    52m Larry Sabato‏@LarrySabato

    Big Dog loving the Big Stage.

    58m Jonathan Alter‏@jonathanalter

    So glad to see the big dog call out the big hypocrite on Medicare. Clinton versus Ryan is no contest. Clinton vs Romney a blowout.

    1h Max Handelman‏@maxhandelman

    The GOP tried to pet the Big Dog, and the Big Dog just bit them in the crotch. #DNC2012
    1h Lisa Millar‏@LisaMillar

    I’m following transcript of Bill Clinton. At least I’m trying to. Let’s just say, no one keeps the Big Dog on script if he doesn’t want to

    1h Culture of Truth‏@Bobblespeak

    Teleprompter stopped rolling. The Big Dog is off the leash!

    1h David Roberts‏@drgrist

    There isn’t another politician alive who can deliver wonky numbers as engagingly as the Big Dog…

  447. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:16 pm

    I’m interesting that Kittylitter seems silent on the blatant misogyny of the ALP and Teh Left generally in their attacks on Gina Rinehart. I’m sure it was just an oversight.

  448. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:18 pm

    I dare you to drop in and see the depth of our work, a couple of us are preparing a scoop.

    knock yourselves out 🙄

  449. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 2:35 pm

    I’m interesting that Kittylitter seems silent on the blatant misogyny of the ALP and Teh Left generally in their attacks on Gina Rinehart. I’m sure it was just an oversight.

    Seeing I’m not long up from night shift and busy with clinton, warren and the democrats I really haven’t had time to look at anything else. Sorry, whilst selfishly perusing the internet for my own pleasure and interest, I didn’t realise that I must respond to everything as preferred and dictated by james.

    BTW, I don’t dance to your tune. You don’t impose your agenda on me. Would you like to give some references and links for your topic of interest? I’m not running all over the place searching out your stuff. Put it up here or don’t bother baiting.

    The misogyny would be par for the course wouldn’t it? No surprises, quite expected really.

  450. 67% Ted, Barry, Campbell's doing permalink
    September 6, 2012 3:11 pm

    § High numbers of working days lost were driven by large disputes in the Education and training and Health care and social assistance industries in June quarter 2012 and September quarter 2011.
    § The combined Education and training and Health care and social assistance industries accounted for 67,800 (67%) of the total number of working days lost in the June quarter 2012.

  451. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    “The combined Education and training and Health care and social assistance industries….”

    In other words Public servants…..

  452. September 6, 2012 4:31 pm

    Interesting that those cheering on Gina have no concept of what it’s like to be ‘labour’.

    Never been in that position, evidently.

  453. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 6, 2012 4:34 pm

    No need to get all tetchy, Kittylitter. I was just saying I was surprised, that’s all. I don’t intend to link all the vitriol because I feel certain if I’m getting some of it you’d have an in tray full. Some of the comments, especially from Wayne Swan, have been appalling. Roxon, Plibersek, and Gillard have also been strangely silent.

  454. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 4:35 pm

    ‘no concept of what it’s like to be ‘labour’.

    That is simply not true…although to be honest, I haven’t had much to do with organised labour.

  455. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2012 4:39 pm

    “Here we go again, only business owners work hard and take risks, their workers and other ordinary every day workers who toil away for them, the public face of the business, doing the hard grunt, they just don’t participate in any of that process or advantage businesses in any way! Don’t know why the owner bothers having workers at all really, they are so hardworking, they should just do the whole lot themselves.
    What about the risk of workers in the business when all of their entitlements earned through loyalty and backbreaking labour just disappear overnight?”

    So you don’t have a logical argument? Just sarcasm and splenetic sprays of toxic bile.

    Any employee can take the risk of running their own business. Plenty have, and in the process have bettered themselves. Others, like myself, are content to work for a wage (and work hard), not take those risks and enjoy life that way. That is my choice, but I am not stupid enough or bilious enough to pretend that I should be entitled to the same returns as a successful business owner.

  456. September 6, 2012 4:49 pm

    I think it’s all very nasty and unfair.

    Gina’s worked very hard to inherit everything she has today.

  457. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 4:51 pm

    ‘neil in disguise, or just riffing off him?’

    LOL in the old days we used to laugh at the two neils.

  458. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 4:53 pm

    Teh Left suffer from tall poppy syndrome.

  459. September 6, 2012 5:05 pm

    I’m not ‘Teh Left’, moron.

  460. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 5:11 pm

    “Gina’s worked very hard to inherit everything she has today.”

    Yeah…………clearly she’s just been sitting on her arse twiddling her thumbs all these years since her father died……….

    ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Rinehart#Business_career

  461. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 5:14 pm

    “Interesting that those cheering on Gina have no concept of what it’s like to be ‘labour’.

    “Never been in that position, evidently.”

    Depends on what your definition of “Labour” is ?

    I assume you are happily excluding anyone that has worked in an office as “unworthy” of the description of “Labour”.

    What would you prefer to call them ?

  462. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 5:30 pm

    ‘I’m not ‘Teh Left’, moron.’

    I didn’t say you were, its a social phenomenon which is more common amongst the left.

    ‘Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term primarily used in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other Anglosphere nations to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.’

  463. September 6, 2012 5:58 pm

    While lose of “Teh Right” suffer from “Born To Rule” pychosis. Rendering themselves apoplectic with constant indignant outrage when no longer occupying high office.

  464. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 6:02 pm

    You sound like some sort of Equal Rights advocatet

  465. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 6:03 pm

    advocatet=advocate

  466. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2012 6:08 pm

    No need to get all tetchy, Kittylitter. I was just saying I was surprised, that’s all. I don’t intend to link all the vitriol because I feel certain if I’m getting some of it you’d have an in tray full.

    And I’m just sayin’, if you want to bring something do so, own it for yourself, don’t expect me to respond to something that you want to debate, before you’ve even brought it up. So, own it and bring it 🙂

  467. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 6:09 pm

    Melbournites are going to pay through the nose for Flannery’s folly.

    ‘VICTORIANS are ”stuck” with Australia’s largest desalination plant despite an eventual price tag of $24 billion that is expected to double household water bills over the next five years.

    ‘Premier Ted Baillieu yesterday slammed the centrepiece of the former Brumby government’s water policy, but baulked at breaking contracts because of cost and the fear of discouraging future investment in Victoria.

    ”What we now have is a white elephant and a very expensive white elephant and Victorians will be paying for it over the next 30 years,” Mr Baillieu said.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victorians-stuck-with-desal-plant-20110228-1bbqs.html#ixzz25fuSqdHa

  468. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2012 6:20 pm

    More disputes, fewer jobs, WEF says our labour market regulation is rooted.

    It’s all going really, really well!

  469. Born ruler permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:10 pm

    People seem a bit grumpy tonight. 😉

  470. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:34 pm

    Toilet and kitty seem grumpy, perhaps because their side is losing on so many fronts.

  471. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:45 pm

    No, Gordo, to be fair there’s some shit stirring going on, and I’ve been manning the beaters. I reserve my right to shit stir!!

  472. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 8:29 pm

    Is Talcum behaving like Barnaby just for fun, or is he the Libs Rudd?

    ‘TONY Abbott loyalists have hit out at Malcolm Turnbull, accusing him of disloyalty following a speech in which he criticised Coalition tactics.

    ‘In last night’s speech on “truth, leadership and responsibility”, Mr Turnbull questioned the Coalition’s question time strategy and the “confused, hyper-partisan nature” of the climate-change debate.’

    Ben Packham in the Oz

  473. Go the Bloods permalink
    September 6, 2012 8:59 pm

    Apparently the Adelaide Crows played the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney TWICE EACH this season. That’s what’s called a soft draw. 😯

  474. September 6, 2012 9:44 pm

    If you haven’t worked out yet that I don’t have a ‘side’ then you’re below contempt.

  475. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:08 pm

    Geeeee

    Toilet seems rather tetchy tonight ?

    So eg………canyou limbo dance ?

    Those with dissenting opinions ( lets call them the “Freelancers”‘) are very uptight these days

  476. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:25 pm

    Thanks to the ALP we’ve sunk to about 100 on the ranking of wage regulation and labour efficiency.

    Labour efficiency doesn’t require lower wages, it requires better practices, and investment security requires industrial stability (ie timely delivery of a project).

    Investment here is held back by labour reliability, and like it or not it has caused under investment in manufacturing, where the splinter unions with coverage of shutdowns and maintenance unions screw up expansion. They see investment as an opportunity to make industrial gains.

    This is also hurting mining.
    —————
    Meanwhile, I’ve just posted a comment at TPS, so I’d imagine Bacchus will pop in there shortly – to take on his current very important role.

  477. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 10:44 pm

    Don’t you like having a stalker ?

  478. JAWS permalink
    September 6, 2012 11:06 pm

    Every time Tony Jones hosts Lateline he just about puts me to sleep. His interview subjects are of very narrow interest.

    What is it with the Left and boring people ?

  479. September 7, 2012 4:29 am

    “Interesting that those cheering on Gina have no concept of”
    anything really Dunny. The far-right fringe only know what their denialism handlers instruct them.

  480. September 7, 2012 4:40 am

    Jaws .. “Every time Tony Jones hosts Lateline he just about puts me to sleep. His interview subjects are of very narrow interest.
    What is it with the Left and boring people ?”
    +
    +
    TJ fucks up a lot of LatelineLand interviews Jaws.
    It is not a Left/Right thing. It is just a TJ thing.

  481. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:18 am

    Just wondering……

    What percentage of her wealth did Gina inherit?

    *Blatant Bolt channelling.

  482. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:18 am

    ‘So eg………can you limbo dance ?’

    I’m as fit as a fiddle, having just returned from the gym, so yeah.

    Toilet thinks I’m below contempt (me from Labor’s far left) for suggesting he might be an old comrade. He protests too much.

  483. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:59 am

    If someone gifts me $1000 and I turn that into $500,000 through astute investment, am I rich because of the gift or the investments?

  484. September 7, 2012 8:40 am

    “perhaps because their side is losing on so many fronts.”

    Some of us “freelancers” don’t see the world from a simplistic “either/or” perspective..

    Although I imagine that people who do see the world as either black or white probably find it a lot easier to barrack for “their side.”

  485. September 7, 2012 8:49 am

    If someone gave me $75 million (the amount that Gina inherited), I could afford to assemble a team of Australia’s TOP Financial Experts to manage my financial interests, paying them $250,000 each per annum, without batting an eyelid.

  486. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 8:58 am

    Freelancers…oh yeah I see.

    Apologies to toilet for assuming he’s aligned.

  487. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:01 am

    Yes but Reb, as you and I both know, Australia’s top financial experts wouldn’t have a fkn clue. In fact, the older I get the more convinced I am that economics is one of those arts or sciences which is utterly unaccountable. They simply get nothing right. Like meteorologists and……I’ll leave it at that. There’s a special thread for that other stuff.

  488. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:23 am

    “…….economics is one of those arts or sciences which is utterly unaccountable.”

    Its basically a study of Herd Psychology and tries to predict how the Herd will obtain its “needs” and “wants” (Read Non Discretionery and Discretionary Goods and Services) given the resource base at its disposal

  489. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:25 am

    “I could afford to assemble a team of Australia’s TOP Financial Experts to manage my financial interests, paying them $250,000 each per annum, ”

    You expect the TOP to work for almost nothing ?

  490. September 7, 2012 9:52 am

    In the current environment, I’m confident I could find 5 highly qualified advisers to work for $250K each… 😉

    Plus bonuses of course…..

  491. September 7, 2012 9:59 am

    “Australia’s top financial experts wouldn’t have a fkn clue.”

    Yes, I know. The point I was trying to make, is that if one had inherited $75 million, it would be pretty hard to piss it up against the wall.

    I think Gina’s wealth has more to do with family lineage and a bit of luck, rather than any extraordinary business acumen.

    The fact that she is prepared to attend rallies with a megaphone suggests that she lacks any sort of business candour and enjoys a bit of good old attention seeking.

    And let’s face it, she was born into a mining family and inherited the lot during an unprecedented mining boom. You’d have to be a fkn idiot to screw that all up.

  492. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:59 am

    “Plus bonuses of course…..”

    What…………………….one of your fucking CDs ?

  493. September 7, 2012 10:13 am

    Hey! My CDs are not to be scoffed at!

    This week’s special bonus is “Max Bygraves Greatest Hits!”

  494. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 7, 2012 10:32 am

    Reb, I agree, but there is a vast difference between fcking it up and turning it into however many billion. There are a lot of fkn idiots who have managed to fck up large inheritances or even large bank balances.

    If I was given $75 million I’d be posting all day from the Whitsundays/Great Barrier Reef and pointing out each day its continued presence and tip top health…..but that’s for another thread too 🙂

  495. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2012 10:34 am

    Rinehart should be given credit for what she has achieved. She had to fight to see off Rose Hancock and then worked hard to a royalty stream into a very successful business. And she didn’t do it by hiring top financial experts.

    Few people who inherit wealth do as much with it as she has done.

    In this case I reserve my contempt for that unfuckable cunt Wayne Swan and his Labor mates. Their slimy spin merchants have advised that there is political mileage in demonsing wealthy and successful Australians and these bitter buffoons have no compunction about piling in with their jackboots on.

  496. September 7, 2012 11:01 am

    “Their slimy spin merchants have advised that there is political mileage in demonsing wealthy and successful Australians”

    On that point, I agree with you..

    Labor seems to have a vendetta against successful rich businesspeople.

  497. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 11:07 am

    ‘Labor seems to have a vendetta against successful rich businesspeople.’

    The tall poppy syndrome is encouraged by this socialist Government, who do little to encourage financial initiative.

  498. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 11:14 am

    “Their slimy spin merchants have advised that there is political mileage in demonsing wealthy and successful Australians”

    I don’t think the Public is taking it too well. I feeds into the general unease that people are feeling. The last thing they want to hear about are Class Wars. People have had a gutful of fighting and blame games. They want some FUCKING action.

    They want to hear about how rising prices (especially power) are going to be capped.

    Interesting to see the print press and airwaves filled with very angry people receiving their first post 1 July quarterly power bills right now.

    Swan can bleat all he wants. He’s just doing more damage, as people dont feel as though the real issues are being addressed, which will hopefully see him kicked out of his seat next election.

    Lets face it the majority of the electorate do not see any personal gain from an NDIS a new Dental Scheme or an Education Crusade.

    All they see are more and more of their taxes being spent without there own day to day issues being addressed.

  499. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 11:37 am

    ‘…very angry people receiving their first post 1 July quarterly power bills right now.’

    Its a shocker, especially for very small business who have seen their bills jump from anywhere up to three times as much…and all based on a theory found to be wanting.

    This gumint is rooted.

  500. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 1:51 pm

    Gina should do herself a favour and hire an articulate CEO to do the talking.

    Pontificating billionaires don’t attract positive sentiment.

  501. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2012 2:58 pm

    “Their slimy spin merchants have advised that there is political mileage in demonsing wealthy and successful Australians”

    The funny thing is, that whenever anything is presented to try and make society more fair for all, to address the failures of capitalism where the gap between rich and poor is ever increasing, the rich immediately start screaming class warfare!

    It’s not the poor people claiming class warfare, it is always the wealthy and it is always when they might be asked to share in the contribution to society that everyone else is expected to make.

    When the rich want to influence public opinion and democratic outcomes and then start telling others who haven’t had their luck in life – being born into a wealthy family, that they are lazy and don’t try hard enough, then it is them who are waging class warfare. When they want to impose third world wages and conditions onto australian workers simply to increase their own wealth at a cost to others, it is indeed class warfare.

    World’s richest woman to ‘jealous’ poor: ‘Drink less, work more’

    It is class warfare when the wealthy are using the power of their money to influence national debates and government policy and then start lecturing the population based on extremist and ignorant, bigoted viewpoints. When poorer people do not have the financial means to participate in the debate on an equal level, it is class warfare, but it’s coming from the top not the bottom.

  502. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 3:29 pm

    Kitty, did she actually say she wanted to reduce our minimum wage or just a meme invented by left wing blogs?

  503. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 7, 2012 3:37 pm

    When the rich want to influence public opinion and democratic outcomes and then start telling others who haven’t had their luck in life – being born into a wealthy family, that they are lazy and don’t try hard enough, then it is them who are waging class warfare.

    Kittylitter, did Gina say Australian workers were lazy and don’t try hard enough?

  504. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 3:39 pm

    I doubt that Kitty even watched the video. Kitty seems to get all her info from Kim Park Pork Chop on the North Korean version of Q @ A

  505. public toilet permalink
    September 7, 2012 3:40 pm

    News.com is not a leftwing blog. 🙄

    Socialist government, my arse. That’s a meme invented by rightwing blogs & repeated by some of their less critical readership.

  506. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 3:40 pm

    “When they want to impose third world wages and conditions onto australian workers simply to increase their own wealth at a cost to others, it is indeed class warfare. ”

    Yet again I ask you……………………who said that ?

  507. September 7, 2012 3:53 pm

    “did Gina say Australian workers were lazy and don’t try hard enough?”

    When she told people to “get out of the pub” I would say yes, she did.

  508. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:09 pm

    But wasn’t she just talking about those who had as their goal becoming super wealthy?

  509. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:13 pm

    By the look of it, Gina doesn’t “go to the pub”, the pub goes to Gina.
    —————————-
    Seeking lower wages isn’t particularly specific in her speech.

    But she seems advocate the northern Australia Economic Region, or whatever. This means-
    • Little or no tax paid
    • Lots of labour sourced from foreign countries that pay low wages
    • Not requiring such foreign labour to be paid according to Australian standards.

    While this is quite confronting, some would argue that we need a dozen Crappervilles.

  510. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:15 pm

    The quote…..

    There is no monopoly on becoming a millionaire, if you’re jealous of those with more money, don’t just sit there and complain, do something to make more yourselves, less drinking and social time and more work time, become one of those who work hard ,invest and build, and at the same time, create employment and opportunities for others.

  511. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:28 pm

    Rinehart’s special economic zone is not popular with government or opposition.

    Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash want the Coalition to take ‘zonal taxation arrangements to the next election’, which is a very exciting political prospect.

  512. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:35 pm

    It makes sense. It’s a prick of a place to live and work but there’s untold benefits more broadly if people do. So give ’em a tax advantage. Why not?

  513. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:37 pm

    “When she told people to “get out of the pub” I would say yes, she did.”

    One of her mates John Singleton seems to spend his entire life in pubs.

  514. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:41 pm

    Zone Rebates already exist. You just never hear about them these days as they are not as extensive or as generous as they used to be. And they only apply to individuals

    http://www.ato.gov.au/scripts/zonecheck/

  515. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:45 pm

    Crapperville 1

    ‘The Roy Hill site is quite picturesque and employees enjoy going for a walk or a run to unwind, climbing up the slight, shrub-covered, inclines that surround the exploration camp.

    ‘The more than 200 staff at the exploration camp are excited about the new state-of-the-art mining camp that is being built for the operation, which will include a pool that will be a welcome reprieve from the searing heat of the Pilbara during the summer when daytime temperatures soar.’

  516. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:58 pm

    ‘Yet there is one advantage for the Labor Party in an early election – there would be no half-Senate election with any early House election.

    ‘This means that a new Coalition government would be forced to try and govern with the current Senate for more than a year.’

    Antony Green

  517. September 7, 2012 5:21 pm

    Not a leftwing blog, but all of you in headuparseland will keep on seeing Gina as someone to admire anyway. It’s because she’s a (now) vocal, grossly wealthy champion of rightwing hobbyhorses. Most of which you self identify with because you’re from ‘less than average’ positions.

    http://www.news.com.au/business/companies/australia-is-too-expensive-for-business-rinehart/story-fnda1bsz-1226465315817

    “Mrs Rinehart also suggested the government should lower the minimum wage of $606.40 per week and cut taxes to stimulate employment.”

  518. September 7, 2012 5:26 pm

    “all of you in headuparseland will keep on seeing Gina as someone to admire anyway.”

    I know. It’s extraordinary isn’t it. How did we manage to attract such a number of “contributors” who continuously defend the likes of Abbott and Rinehart…?

    Shall we BAN THEM ALL…??

  519. September 7, 2012 5:26 pm

    Another not-leftwing blog…

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/378760/20120830/gina-rinehart-suggests-lowering-minimum-wage-606.htm#.UEmg3yJk6ZY

    “Controversy continues to hound Gina Rinehart, Australia’s richest woman, due to a column she wrote for the Australian Resources and Investment magazine where she suggested lowering the minimum wage of $606.40 a week.”

  520. September 7, 2012 5:28 pm

    You’d have to have a good imagination to think that SkyNews is a leftwing blog…

    http://www.skynews.com.au/businessnews/article.aspx?id=789503

    “She also suggests the government should lower the minimum wage of $606.40 a week and cut taxes to stimulate employment.”

  521. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 5:28 pm

    ‘Most of which you self identify with because you’re from ‘less than average’ positions.’

    There is some truth in that…in my case at least.

  522. September 7, 2012 5:29 pm

    “Shall we BAN THEM ALL…??”

    Let them wallow in their muck.

  523. September 7, 2012 5:32 pm

    Conversely, if you can be arsed looking at the rightwing blogs, you’ll find, almost verbatim, exactly the same adulations & rearguard defense of Rinehart’s ill advised social commentary as that which is being revomited here.

  524. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 5:36 pm

    Oink…………….Oink…………………..Oink !

    http://www.ask.com/web?gct=serp&qsrc=2417&o=100000027&l=dis&locale=en_AU&tpr=2&q=piggies+beatles

    “Have you seen the little piggies
    Crawling in the dirt
    And for all the little piggies
    Life is getting worse
    Always having dirt to play around in.

    Have you seen the bigger piggies
    In their starched white shirts
    You will find the bigger piggies
    Stirring up the dirt
    Always have clean shirts to play around in.

    In their sties with all their backing
    They don’t care what goes on around
    In their eyes there’s something lacking
    What they need’s a damn good whacking.

    Everywhere there’s lots of piggies
    Living piggy lives
    You can see them out for dinner
    With their piggy wives
    Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.”

  525. September 7, 2012 5:38 pm

    Jaws has finally lost it.

  526. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 5:42 pm

    Oink…………Oink………….Oink

  527. September 7, 2012 5:43 pm

    “That’s what’s called a soft draw. ”

    They also played Port twice…now that’s a soft draw!

    But, have you blinkered Victorians stopped to consider that the draw may have come about because they finished 14th last year? They didn’t choose the teams they played.
    I hope they rub all of your noses in it. If they don’t this year then it is impending.

  528. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 5:45 pm

    “She also suggests the government should lower the minimum wage of $606.40 a week and cut taxes to stimulate employment.”

    Hang on……………………..before you Lefties were saying she wanted to lower it to $2.00 per day

  529. JAWS permalink
    September 7, 2012 5:46 pm

    “Shall we BAN THEM ALL…??”

    We are just Freelancers in Abbott speak

  530. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 6:04 pm

    Because I work in very small business I earn a third of the minimum wage and ideally I would like a couple of Timorese to take my place…so that I can retire.

    I complained to the lady at centrelink that the $100 a week offered by Joolya will see me worked to death. She replied that the government’s intention is to keep me in harness for as long as possible.

    Gina is the only one who cares about my plight.

  531. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 6:14 pm

    Remote mining sites are ugly, mainly dusty, often with stray dogs, and always with swarms of flies the size of budgies.

    The population is mainly misfits avoiding family court orders, or prosecution. Developing towns full of those types isn’t good policy. Importing labour to mix with them is inhumane.

  532. September 7, 2012 6:23 pm

    “before you Lefties were saying she wanted to lower it to $2.00 per day”

    Firstly, I’m not fkn ‘you lefties’.

    Secondly, please demonstrate where I said she ‘wanted to lower it to $2.00 per day’. Good luck with that.

  533. September 7, 2012 6:32 pm

    “…in my case at least.”

    I didn’t mean you, el gordo.

    I should have said ” because you’re from ‘ above average’ positions, relative to a minimum wage earner.’”

    My abrasion over this isn’t because I’m near minimum wage either. These days, I am very happy with my employment & my wage. I just recognise that life can be a slog & anyone who can be fucked bothering to be employed shouldn’t have to subsist because it’s cheaper for Gina The Hutt & makes the unemployment numbers look marginally better.

    Also, I have spent enough years, between uni, labouring in various roles, to appreciate that it takes a bit of intestinal fortitude to keep fronting up for that type of work, day after day.

    Lower the minimum wage & you give more people a reason to choose welfare for no effort, as opposed to hard work for inconsequential reward.

  534. September 7, 2012 6:35 pm

    “Gina is the only one who cares about my plight.”

    I’m afraid that Gina doesn’t actually give a toss about your plight. It’s just the packaging she wraps her business plan in.

  535. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 6:48 pm

    ‘It’s just the packaging she wraps her business plan in.’

    I’ll pay that.

  536. My two bucks permalink
    September 7, 2012 6:58 pm

    You wingnuts can twist her words any way you like, but I read about what Gina said: She wants everyone to work for two dollars a day – and be damn well happy about it!

  537. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:12 pm

    In the US its the illegal immigrants who have been ‘hugely beneficial to many employers’ because they offered cheap labour.

    It provided ‘a ready source of manpower in agriculture, construction, food processing, building cleaning and maintenance, and other low-end jobs, at a time when the share of low-skilled native-born individuals in the US labor force has fallen dramatically.’

    This is probably Gina’s thinking too.

  538. September 7, 2012 7:12 pm

    Except I never said that. Ever.

  539. September 7, 2012 7:17 pm

    Was in response to Tony.

    * & I apologise for the blatant hostility recently. I laid it on a bit thick.

  540. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:19 pm

    That’s ok, I spent a year at Deltoid and I’m tough.

  541. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:22 pm

    You know Toilet, for one who apparently doesn’t want to be labelled a leftie, you’re not bad at throwing out words like admiration and adulation.

    I neither admire nor adulate Gina Rinehart. She is a multiple billionaire and I have absolutely no aspirations in that regard.

  542. Wage war permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:23 pm

    There is an economic theory that says the minimum wage is harmful to the employment opportunities of low skilled workers. It is a position that would be considered extreme in Australia, and Ms Rinehart’s call to lower the minimum wage is a tinkering around the edges of that theory.

  543. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:45 pm

    By the way, I’ve reread the article and she doesn’t call for a lowering of the minimum wage, particularly not where mining is concerned. She is talking about things that might encourage small businesses to employ low skilled workers, particularly those in areas not benefitting from the mining boom, like Tasmania.

  544. September 7, 2012 7:46 pm

    Ms Rinehart is tinkering around the edges of how to sell the lowest paid a shit sandwich, for her own benefit…but couched in false sympathy.

    I can see why you guys reject the overreach on AGW, I really can. I don’t understand why you don’t recognise the same sort of self interest in the actions & words of those like Gina Rinehart.

    ** I have been a little over the top with my responses in the last day or so, snacty. For that I apologise.

  545. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:49 pm

    I wasn’t aware that the minimum wage has been so detrimental …..until now. Shouldn’t somebody have told us about this sooner?

    Milton is elegant and eloquent…knows his stuff.

  546. September 7, 2012 7:50 pm

    Funny how everyone else can read between the lines, snacty. Even The Australian, News.com & SkyNews.

    A PR stumble.

  547. September 7, 2012 7:51 pm

    Isn’t he dead?

    Hitchens was eloquent too, but he wasn’t advocating lowering the minimum wage.

  548. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    ‘ …like Tasmania.’

    Brilliant! The coldest and warmest places in Australia could become tax havens.

    Attracting cheaper labour in the form of guest workers (families preferred) with the possibility of becoming residents when you can fend for yourself in the habitable zones.

  549. Free Lance permalink
    September 7, 2012 8:00 pm

    ‘I don’t understand why you don’t recognise the same sort of self interest in the actions & words of those like Gina Rinehart.’

    It’s highly unlikely that anyone in Gina’s employ would be on the minimum wage. (Mining-related wages are notoriously high at the moment.) She is therefore unlikely to benefit directly from any lowering of the minimum wage. She might benefit indirectly if the theory held and it led to a strengthening of the economy through increased employment.

  550. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 8:23 pm

    Joe Hockey agrees with ANDEV’s notion – ‘that Australia’s north should be classed as a distinct economic zone for tax and concessions.’

    “It’s been something that Tony Abbott, myself, Andrew Robb have all talked about,” Mr Hockey told reporters in Perth.

  551. Free immigration permalink
    September 7, 2012 8:47 pm

    “In the US its the illegal immigrants who have been ‘hugely beneficial to many employers’ because they offered cheap labour.”

    True, el gordo. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gina’s been instructed in the ways of the Chicago School, or at least watched a few of Milton’s videos. 😉

  552. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 8:58 pm

    That was good, convinced me.

  553. Choices permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:12 pm

    “I don’t deny that Romney and Ryan aren’t libertarians, but Romney is a pro-business capitalist and Obama is a Marxist-socialist.”

    http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/11150-wayne-root-leaves-libertarian-party-backs-romney

  554. No more years permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:25 pm

    ‘When President Clinton took office in 1993, government expenditures were 22.1% of GDP, and when he departed in 2000, the federal government’s share of the economy had been squeezed to a low of 18.2%. As the accompanying table shows, during the Clinton years, federal government expenditures as a percent of GDP fell by 3.9 percentage points. No other modern president has come close . . . When it comes to the appropriate size of government, Clinton and Obama are polar opposites.’

  555. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:36 pm

    Gina’s media adviser has just bought another pub.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/realestate/buying/john-singleton-buys-up-12m-pub/story-fndbpo91-1226467103139

  556. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:42 pm

    Nah it’s fine, Toilet. We can all be at less than our best. Never taken personally.

    I have no special love for Gina. But when my Twitter goes into meltdown with outrage, usually re Abbott but in this case Gina, I am learning to check. And on checking, she just hasn’t said what she’s accused of saying. And in that context, some of the abuse, particularly from Wayne Swan, is disgraceful.

  557. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:54 pm

    Toilet I do a lot of reading between the lines. But she just didn’t say what they say that she said. Not close. And Gillard and Swan should apologize.

  558. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 9:59 pm

    “now she’s says a competitive way to lower labour costs is by utilising illegal labour.”

    Wayne is a fkn liar, Gina didn’t say that. Next he’ll be saying that Rinehart wants to put illegals into Crappervilles across the top end for half the minimum wage.

    I’ll relocate.

  559. Get off my lawn permalink
    September 7, 2012 11:00 pm

    “Romney and Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that’s what everybody needs to know. I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle.”

    http://www.pineconearchive.com/120907-1.html

  560. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 8, 2012 1:06 am

    So whats so minimum about $600 a week anyway ?

    After rent you still have $300 odd to spend on your drugs.

    Seriously what more do you Lefties want ?

    How much in tax do I have to pay to keep you where you belong

    Silent !

  561. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 8, 2012 1:13 am

    I gotta say that the republicans make me laugh. Obama was handed a shit sandwich 4 years ago and the yanks are sooooooo stupid not to remember that.

    However he must start reducing their debt by spending cuts tax increase or just printing more cash which is taxation by stealth.

    The GoP is a joke.

    However.Cli nton started a rot that Bush failed to see.

  562. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 8:04 am

    I blame Greenspan for everything.

  563. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2012 8:14 am

    Apparently the Adelaide Crows played the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney TWICE EACH this season. That’s what’s called a soft draw.

    Yes, Tony, and Melbourne. More than a third of their wins came against children. Today they play against men. If you thought Toilet was shitty before…..

  564. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2012 9:01 am

    Ill be barracking for the Swans.

    It was great to see Collingwood get done, just a pity that it had to be Hawthorn that won.

  565. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 9:58 am

    ‘Ill be barracking for the Swans.’

    Me too.

  566. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 10:33 am

    Cubbie Station…Barnaby told to pull his head in.

    ‘Abbott shut him down and Joe Hockey asserted his authority on Coalition economic policy to support the Foreign Investment Review Board framework. He said the Coalition naysayers were “freelancing” and did not represent Coalition policy.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-cuts-joyce-loose-20120907-25jos.html#ixzz25pkq7x7j

  567. public toilet permalink
    September 8, 2012 10:51 am

    They didn’t play Melbourne twice.

    Also, they only got to play the hopeless Tigers once…(that crappy bunch of serial underachievers who managed only a draw with hapless Port, last weekend).

    You ducks read too much Vic sporting media tripe.

    If you think the handbagz are in for a cakewalk this arvo, you may end up a lot crankier than me. Crows are full strength, with a sold out parochial home crowd. Weather may be telling.
    Both teams appear fairly evenly matched, ranked 1& 2 in the AFL for contested possessions.
    * thoroughly enjoyed Collingwood’s first step back into obscurity. Hawks are gonna be hard for anyone to beat…

  568. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 12:31 pm

  569. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 1:08 pm

    In the centre of China they are beginning construction of the ‘Lanzhou New Area’ to accelerate development of the inhabitable areas.

    This is a ‘pilot zone for the nation’s economic restructuring efforts and as a strategic platform for opening up the western regions.’

    This is how the Chinese intend to maintain ‘national unity’ during the economic downturn.

    Major cities to take away pressure from the coastal regions, constructed from the get go as ecological conservation projects.

    China Daily

  570. September 8, 2012 2:26 pm

    “It’s highly unlikely that anyone in Gina’s employ would be on the minimum wage. (Mining-related wages are notoriously high at the moment.) She is therefore unlikely to benefit directly from any lowering of the minimum wage.”
    +
    +
    More nonsense from our beloved three corporateers. Gina wouldn`t dream of sacking them, if she gets her way on the work-visas.

  571. September 8, 2012 2:39 pm

    “If someone gave me $75 million (the amount that Gina inherited), I could afford to assemble a team of Australia’s TOP Financial Experts to manage my financial interests, paying them $250,000 each per annum, without batting an eyelid.”
    *
    *
    Don`t know about that. I may need to cheat me kids out of their trust fund inheritance.

  572. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 3:14 pm

    Done Deal

    ‘Mr O’Neill said it was in the hands of the Australian government how long it would take to open the centre and PNG’s only pre-condition was for Australia to improve to facilities on Manus Island.

    “This is a regional issue, we’re not interested in making money out of it,’’ he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor-strikes-deal-over-png-asylum-centre-20120908-25krj.html#ixzz25qtfgWKw

  573. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 4:18 pm

    And just in the nick of time…

    ‘The boat is the fourth suspected asylum seeker vessel to enter Australian waters in the past week.

    ‘That’s around 300 boat people in a week. The Budget allowed for 450 a month.’

    Andrew Bolt

  574. September 8, 2012 5:48 pm

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *well played, those handbagz smothering cunts

    ** but seriously, well played. Strong win.

  575. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2012 5:56 pm

    Handbags my arse!! GO BLOODS!!!!!!

  576. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2012 5:59 pm

    Thanks Toilet. Finals are tough.

  577. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:00 pm

    OK, maybe not an IQ test, but I’m not persuaded taxi drivers should be allowed to vote. Their influence is pervasive enough, the way they prattle on.

  578. September 8, 2012 6:20 pm

    This is for anyone cheering the red & the white…

  579. Pull down the thunder permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:29 pm

    This is for all the bleeding Crows supporters out there 😯

  580. September 8, 2012 6:36 pm

    I must be getting old. This is why I have no respect for the ‘younger generation’ what with their [male] hair products, their clean hands & their complete lack of a grip on reality [mainly the metropolitan ones]…

    No doubt, y’all aren’t up for the aggressive soundtrack, so man up & just read the words, mute that shit, it’s a lyric video…

  581. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:38 pm

    ’twas a great day. East Malvern (Ol’ SanctY is a 250 game legend) through to GF and got home in time to see last quarter of THOSE FKN BLOODS!!!!!

  582. Follow the bouncing ball permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:40 pm

    Exactly what death metal needs if its proponents wish to expose it to the mainstream: subtitles and a mute button. 😐

  583. September 8, 2012 6:42 pm

    Onya, snacty. Congrats on the local league. That shit matters… (seriously)

    As for the AFL, kept crows to lowest score for the season, away from home smothering cunts …impressive

  584. September 8, 2012 6:44 pm

    The masses are too easily amused by sugary crap. What death metal needs most certainly isn’t ‘the masses.

  585. September 8, 2012 6:45 pm

    I suppose you watched it [muted] on your silver macbook pro?…figures

  586. September 8, 2012 6:49 pm

    “I suppose you watched it [muted] on your silver macbook pro?”

    chuckle…

    Surely you’re not suggesting that ToSY just “snipes from the sidelines” without “taking a position” you know, like what Snacty accused N5 of doing………..?

    Just an observation(s).

  587. Death-throe howling permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:51 pm

    The masses will be the poorer for not being educated in that incomprehensible howling unique genre.

  588. Sideline sniper permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:54 pm

    😯 😆 😉

  589. September 8, 2012 6:55 pm

    The masses are happy to assimilate mediocre, feelgood, bubblegum crap. It goes hand in hand with what they watch, read, listen to, think & identify with.

    Obviously, I didn’t expect you to listen to it.

  590. Sideline sniper permalink
    September 8, 2012 6:58 pm

    There’s much to be said for feeling good. And bubblegum, although my confection of choice would be dark chocolate.

  591. September 8, 2012 7:00 pm

    You forgot to change your ‘name’.

    What you’re overlooking is that you don’t have to be compartmentalised & herded into mundane, saccharine safety to ‘feel good’. Being like the dumbed down rest isn’t the pinnacle of comfortable consumerism.

  592. Pursuit of happiness permalink
    September 8, 2012 7:08 pm

    Whatever lends bouyancy to your particular maritime conveyance.

    Seriously. 😉

  593. September 8, 2012 7:13 pm

    Agreed.

    I’d be disappointed if too many dickwits pretended to like what I like anyway.

    I’ve never been a part of the herd. I’ve always found that to be liberating, rather than the suffocating need to be seen as ‘fitting in’. Anyone that knows me in the flesh judges me well; by my words, my actions & my peculiarities.

  594. Be Flat permalink
    September 8, 2012 7:23 pm

    I used to think I had eclectic tastes and could enjoy any kind of music. Until I came across that stuff. For me, it just doesn’t flick the pleasure switch. (Do you actually find it “musical”?)

  595. A Pisser permalink
    September 8, 2012 7:37 pm

    “I would not turn aside from a good urination to listen to Germaine Greer.”

  596. September 8, 2012 7:55 pm

    It has taken me about 26/37yrs to acquire an ear that can appreciate that stuff. Otherwise it would probably sound like ‘noise’. Thing is, there’s so much happening at so many bpm that, particularly if you’re only ever exposed to mid tempo safety-music, your ear won’t decipher the signals between your eardrum & your chillax zone. I can’t explain it to the lay listener any other way. You will never ‘get’ it because it would be too endurance draining to get up to speed with it.
    It would be a chore, a terrible chore if you didn’t want to listen to it…probably akin to how I measure something like Nickelback, Katy Perry or LMFAO.

    So, yes, I find it intensely ‘musical’. There is melody & hyper-pattern in it.

    I fkn love it. What’s more, I know that I’m far from the only one. I know many people personally & there are plenty in the woodwork.
    The internet has increased it exponentially, but has also lead to plenty of generic rubbish; as with all things.

    I’ve been into SLAYER & others since 1985.

  597. Dogtown and Z-Boys permalink
    September 9, 2012 5:43 am

    “Little blonde girls named Buffy just weren’t my scene.”

  598. el gordo permalink
    September 9, 2012 8:20 am

    ‘THE Greens suffered a voter backlash across the state yesterday, with swings of between 10 and 15 per cent against the party in most parts of NSW.

    ‘Councils in Sydney’s inner suburbs felt the brunt, including Leichhardt, Waverley, Woollahra, Randwick and Marrickville, which had previously been Greens-friendly and used by the party to promote foreign affairs concerns and other ambitious policies.’

    Daily Telegraph

  599. el gordo permalink
    September 9, 2012 11:14 am

    God botherers cherry pick Leviticus to get a good result.

  600. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2012 12:25 pm

    She didn’t take a stand on bigotry because she’s motivated entirely by focus groups.

    Gillard as PM has diminished the standing of the country. She gives comfort to prejudice.

    Rudd or Turnbull, maybe Lindsay Tanner can make a comeback.

  601. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2012 12:31 pm

    …and in the meantime, stop her from travelling overseas and talking to people. It’s humiliating.

  602. Bwooce permalink
    September 9, 2012 5:14 pm

    Is Bruce Mcavaney the most annoying football caller of them all?

    Oh, that’s right, he’s from South Australia. 🙄

  603. September 9, 2012 7:25 pm

    I hate him. It’s got fuck all to do with South Australia.

    Other dishonourable mentions got to Eddy thefuckwitvictorian , Malcolm Blight, Tony Shaw, Huddo, that woman they cut & some more I’m probably not thinking of.

    Dennis Cometti(sic) is about the pick of the bunch.

    Bwooce gushes like a man who’s never seen a football up close.

  604. Cocks "saved" permalink
    September 9, 2012 7:34 pm

    Huge illegal cock-fighting ring busted in Melbourne. Hundreds of game birds have been rescued. The fate of the roosters? According to TV news reports they’re likely to be “put down”. 😯
    (Is being killed a better option for them? The RSPCA must think so.)

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/police-raid-a-suspected-cock-fighting-ring/story-e6frf7kx-1226468391191

  605. el gordo permalink
    September 9, 2012 7:55 pm

    ‘Is being killed a better option for them?’

    🙂

  606. September 9, 2012 8:02 pm

    I dunno, when it comes to humans gaining pleasure from watching animals killing each other, I find it hard to see any reason why that should be OK.
    If people want to beat on or kill each other for sport, well they can make an informed, consenting decision to do that.
    I’m not sure that putting the roosters down is a great idea but I don’t really know the circumstances. Cockfighting & dogfighting aren’t something I am comfortable endorsing in any way.

    I’m inclined to prefer animals to humans; they don’t do malice quite the same way.

    Now if we were to have barb-wire encrusted horses battling each other to the death in an arena I’d be there with fkn bells on! I hate horses; they barely qualify as craybait.

  607. el gordo permalink
    September 9, 2012 8:14 pm

    The Rust Belt states in the US mid west are in the process of economic transition…there is a movement towards ‘brown’ jobs.

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/09/06/brown-jobs-up-in-swing-states/

  608. From rooster to feather duster permalink
    September 9, 2012 8:37 pm

    I’m not endorsing cock-fighting if as reported it involves cruel ‘fights to the death’. But at least one cock gets to live to fight another day. In the RSPCA’s “solution”, none do.

    ‘RSPCA Inspector Daniel Bode said cockfighting was an underground activity where birds suffered terribly.

    ‘A large number of metal spurs, that are attached to the birds for their fights to the death, were also found on the premises.

    ‘The RSPCA said it was likely the cocks would have to be destroyed.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/city-raid-busts-cockfighting-ring-20120909-25m96.html#ixzz25y1tPsMu

  609. el gordo permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:14 am

    ‘FEDERAL Labor will sharpen its attack on the Greens over core policy disputes after weekend elections that heartened ALP supporters angry at the concessions made to their allies in the minority government.

    ‘Voters turned on the Greens in some of the party’s local government strongholds as part of a shift to the Right blamed in part on federal policy rows over asylum-seekers and climate change.’

    David Crowe in the Oz

  610. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:26 am

    The Democrats see the Greens as their natural enemies. Much of their material is devoted to criticism of them.

    People are waking up that the Greens aren’t the successors to the Democrats. The ADs had/have a range of well considered, moderate policies. The Greens have a grab bag of press releases, designed to find favour with militants.

    Some form of new incarnation of the ADs would be good for the parliament.

  611. el gordo permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:48 am

    It may be a little late to keep the bastards honest, but I agree it would be ‘good for the parliament.’

  612. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2012 3:36 pm

    “the Greens aren’t the successors to the Democrats”

    Quite so. They are the new home of stupid old commos like Lee Rhiannon.

  613. Police don't make the laws permalink
    September 13, 2012 7:38 pm

    Victoria’s top traffic cop is canvassing the idea of reducing the legal blood alcohol limit from .05% to .02%. Taxis and bottle shops will approve. Pubs and clubs won’t. Nor will many of their patrons.

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