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Gillard Government Powerless to Stop SUPER TRAWLER OF DEATH!

September 10, 2012

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****A STUNNING NEW DAILY TRASH EXLUSIVE***

It’s the impending travesty of death that the Gillard Government doesn’t want you to know about it and is absolutely powerless to stop!  It’s the Dutch Super Trawler of Death and it’s heading to Australia RIGHT NOW!

It’s a nightmare scenario that has environmentalists outraged and conservationists aghast at the rampant destruction that will unravel before our very eyes as Australia’s precious fishing waters are raped and pillaged by this monster fishing machine.

Fishermen used to be genuinely nice people. The bible teaches us that Jesus was a fisherman, and managed to feed some 5000 people with a loaf of Helga’s and a can of sardines.   But today, the fishers have turned against us and are planning to starve us all by plundering our seas with this maritime equivalent of the Death Star.

Not even Jesus can stop this travesty from unfolding, but you can thank Christ for the Daily Trash!   Our team of special undercover operatives, with thanks to the assistance of anonymous whistleblowers from the Department of Water and Fisheries, can reveal the scale of the devastation and destruction that it is about to reek havoc on our very shores.

The so-called “Margiris” (or Abel Tasman, as it is now known), has been given a licence to catch 18,000 tonnes of fish, however many are concerned that dolphins and seals could be caught in the ship’s massive nets which stretch for hundreds of kilometres.

A Greens motion to prevent the so-called “Death Star” super trawler from plundering Australian waters has been voted down in the Senate.

The motion put forward by Tasmanian Greens Senator Peter Whish-Wilson sought to outlaw the Abel Tasman’s 18,000 tonne quota for jack mackerel and redbait.

Despite Tasmanian Labor Senators expressing concerns about the trawler, they did not support the motion and it was voted down 30 votes to 10.

Kevin Rudd is also opposed to the super trawler’s presence in Australian waters, however current environmental laws do not go far enough to allow the federal environment minister to stop the vessel from fishing Australian waters.

Clearly this government is in the gills of “big fish”.

It’s a disgrace!

You can join the outrage here and sign the petition against the super trawler here.

 

 

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  1. September 10, 2012 5:22 pm

    The anger at this is palpable down here. It is gaining great traction because, as you alluded, the SA nanny partymetrocentric Adelaidephile party Labor Party is currently introducing ‘Marine Parks’ where recreational fishing is banned; supposedly to protect fish stocks.
    Funnily enough (or not, if you live down here) Adelaide metropolitan waters aren’t off limits, but vast expanses of our more remote coastline & kms out to sea are.

    So it’s hardly any wonder that a fair proportion of the population in my surrounds are mighty po’d about it.

    That was before the fuckers let that supertrawler free reign to pillage the same ocean on an industrial scale!
    You’d have to be a raving free market fundamentalistfucked in the head…pretty naive to think that a fishraping net on that sort of scale is going to discriminate between what it should catch & dolphins, mermaids & the baby jeebus.

  2. September 10, 2012 5:26 pm

    “You’d have to be a raving free market fundamentalist…fucked in the head…pretty naive to think that a fishraping net on that sort of scale is going to discriminate between what it should catch & dolphins, mermaids & the baby jeebus.”

    But, but, but, the government has said that if one baby seal is found in the net, then the entire fishing trip will have to stop. That sort of assurance is good enough for me. *ahem*

  3. September 10, 2012 5:37 pm

    That pretty much means that baby seals & dolphins will get a quick clubbing & then thrown straight over the side by the foreign fishrapists before any of the government (who presumably won’t be on the killing deck watching proceedings) monitors can catch them beeing naughty.

    How fucking stupid do these people think we are?!

    A net is a net is a net. They’re not magical supernets which catch only mackerel & redbait, but by some arcane wizardry let the cuddly fish escape.

    To be honest, I rate fish right up there with horses. ie. I am unmoved by fish. Fish aside, why are the arseholes stopping the average joe from throwing a line in (and I’m not a fisherman either, boooooring, if you’re near the ocean you oughta be surfing in it, not sitting next to it hooking up dumb organisms) but letting some fkn mega-factory ship from the Northern hemisphere come down here & deplete our biosphere?!

    It makes a man angry, it does.

  4. September 10, 2012 5:42 pm

    I know. It’s crazy boss… It’d be like “oh look we’ve caught a seal, someone fetch the government inspector…”

    I imagine Jaws, being a keen fisherman, may have a view.

    I just think it’s mental that the Government can clamp down on, and police recreational fishers who by and large probably do the right thing, but are quite content to see this massive thing plunder our waters (and they are “our” waters).

  5. September 10, 2012 5:58 pm

    Yep, that’s my take on it too, reb.

    It is happening right now in SA.

    The Marine Parks have long been a contentious issue, particularly down here in the Southeast.
    At first I thought it was funny, because most of the locals are redneck fisherman that I work with. That was until I realised that, upon looking at a map of the proposed park zoning, they are (once again) letting the vast metropolitan population of Adelaide do whatever the fuck they want. But throwing a bone to environmentalists by prohibiting vast tracts of sea & coastline down here which are currently well patronised by a much smaller population of regional voters whom the SA ALP has no need to appease.

    The state Labor Party needs a huge kick in the arse. They’ve been around waaaaay too long, have gotten arrogant & have, in the last couple of years, plundered my region for all its worth; at no coast to the capital but tremendous future cost to our smaller communities.

  6. September 10, 2012 6:00 pm

    * no cost to the capital

    ** the supertrawler just adds absolute insult to injury

    *** the SA ALP ministers are too scared to come down here anymore. They’re arrogant & calculating, but not that stupid apparently.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 6:06 pm

    Even the ocean is not untouched by, The Robber Barons …

    We understand from reliable sources that, Gina Rhinhart, has commissioned a fleet of her own super trawlers and will be offering fishermen $2 per day and .0001% of the catch to share amongst them …

    (Special Correspondent, Hadspen, Launceston, Taswegia)

  8. September 10, 2012 6:07 pm

    State Labor are receiving a well-deserved kick up the arse around the nation Boss.

    However my fear is back to back State Liberal Governments strengthened by the high likelihood of a Federal Liberal government collectively ripping the guts out of Australia by implementing son of workchoices (which they will do if by some other name) and pandering to big business.

    And, if MItt Romney gets in in the US then we’re all truly fucked.

  9. September 10, 2012 6:09 pm

    I thought Gina Rinehart was the super trawler….. 😉

    How’s the Taswegia excursion going TB…?

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 6:10 pm

    If MItt Romney gets in in the US then we’re all truly fucked.

    Translation: While SOME of us are fucked now … within 18 months we could ALL be truly fucked … as The Robber Barons really get stuck into us!

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 6:21 pm

    How’s the Taswegia excursion going TB…?

    I must say Taswegians are a friendly bunch … most of the tourist places are closed but we went to Xanders restaurant at Stanley last night … tiny bloody village with a world class restaurant and I mean world class! Incredible!

    The Minister loved it!

    Spent a night on Cradle Mt without power to our cabin … brrrrrrr … snow started as we hit the road to the mountain and as we got highere the wind got stronger and the sleet got stronger!

    Seriously having a ball! Not much traffic on the roads loving it … (perspective … Brisbane has a population of over 2 million … Tassie has a pop of 500,000!

    Reminds us of bits of EU, UK, and strangely QLD…

    The cost of living here must be horrendous though … and with no insult intended its like going back to the 1960’s …

    For those interested I’m driving a Nissan X Trail – very happy with it but wouldn’t buy one …

  12. September 10, 2012 6:30 pm

    Glad to hear you’re enjoying yourself TB… 🙂

  13. el gordo permalink
    September 10, 2012 6:39 pm

    These are the conservationist ideas that may help the greens dig themselves out of a deep black hole.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 6:42 pm

    Glad to hear you’re enjoying yourself TB…

    Absolutely, mate! Just a pity you and V sought asylum in Mexico! 😆

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 6:53 pm

    These are the conservationist ideas that may help the greens dig themselves out of a deep black hole.

    Well, yes ‘n’ no, egg … the Greens really don’t have an influence (or monopoly) over the basics of honesty, justice, fairness, exploitation (did I mention Robber Barons?) …

    I can’t get my head around the fact that the Dutch were part of the bunch of nations that have raped/fished the North Sea out (now a barren fish waste!) … and they have some sort of “right” to do what they did in the 50’s/60’s/70’s half way around the world and we just roll over and say fuck me, fuck me! Astoundingly stupid!

    I’m old enough to remember the Royal Navy being sent out to fire rounds across the bows of Icelandic trawlers for doing what the Abel Tasman is doing here …

    BTW, sreb, great graphics and text above!

  16. September 10, 2012 6:57 pm

    I’m interested to know if the free-marketeers think that it’s all fine & dandy?

    They have a knack for making semi-convincing arguments in favour of monolithic corporate monsterships in most cases.

  17. September 10, 2012 6:58 pm

    BF3 Armoured Kill expansion is awesome, TB!

  18. September 10, 2012 7:00 pm

    “Just a pity you and V sought asylum in Mexico!”

    I know TB. I would’ve genuinely enjoyed the opportunity to meet with you and the Minister.

    As a general rule I don’t meet up with anyone I’ve met on the internet, but I’d be prepared to make an exception for you (depending on your dress sense of course…) 😉

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 7:08 pm

    (depending on your dress sense of course…)

    I didn’t bring my suit but then Taswegians turn up in desert boots, jeans, those woolly lumber-jack shirts, not shaven and Brillcream in their hair!

    I’m really dressed up market wherever I go here … people keep eying off my black, suede sleeved, wool Wynn’s jacket … and khaki stretch, micro fibre and open stitch Yorky cap!

  20. Wholly Mackerel permalink
    September 10, 2012 7:57 pm

    ‘I’m interested to know if the free-marketeers think that it’s all fine & dandy?’

    Unless one objects to commercial fishing as a matter of principle, it’s hard to see how this is any different, except in its scale.

    Scientific studies have been done and the proposal has been approved. State and federal governments agree. What exactly is the problem?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/taswegian-disease-infects-trawler-debate/story-e6frgd0x-1226462002636

  21. September 10, 2012 8:06 pm

    What about the little people?

    What about the disparity between the treatment of metropolitan V regional citizens?

    What about the fact that y’all are quite happy to question the validity of the conclusions of AGW science & scientists, but seemingly let the conclusions manufactured to allow the factory ship access go through to the keeper all po-faced?
    Why aren’t similar governmental motives of self interest at play?

    Should they be able to, in good conscience, ban recreational fishing in selected parts of SA but roll out the welcome mat for a moneymaking megalith whose sole purpose is to harvest the ocean?

  22. Does size matter? permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:19 pm

    ‘What about the disparity between the treatment of metropolitan V regional citizens?’

    Fair point, but irrelevant to the question of whether or not this venture should go ahead.

    ‘What about the fact that y’all are quite happy to question the validity of the conclusions of AGW science & scientists, but seemingly let the conclusions manufactured to allow the factory ship access go through to the keeper all po-faced?’

    I’ve studied the AGW question closely enough to know that there’s bad science being used. Do you have any similar doubts about the scientific studies used in this case?

    ‘Should they be able to, in good conscience, ban recreational fishing in selected parts of SA but roll out the welcome mat for a moneymaking megalith whose sole purpose is to harvest the ocean?’

    I’m no fan of banning recreational fishing in so-called marine parks. But that’s a different question. The question here is why should anyone object to some commercial fishing but not all commercial fishing – all of “whose sole purpose is to harvest the ocean” and “moneymaking”?.

  23. September 10, 2012 8:22 pm

    It’s not just limited to Tasmania btw.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:31 pm

    Unless one objects to commercial fishing as a matter of principle, it’s hard to see how this is any different, except in its scale.

    You have to be joking (or really silly), ToSY … its like putting a an eight trailer on suburban roads and saying what ‘s the difference between that and a ute …

    Another issue that keeps running through my head is WHAT DOES AUSTRALIA get out of this GANG RAPE?

    Port dues and flogging a few blocks of ice and Chiko rolls for the crew …

  25. Science deniers permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:32 pm

    ‘The Tasmanian Greens are calling for a State Parliamentary inquiry into the science and approval processes surrounding the FV Margiris, including the decision by the Australian Fisheries Management Authority to double the Total Allowable Catch for the Small Pelagic Fishery.’

    I’d have no objection to an inquiry into Teh Science. I’m certain studies are sometimes designed so as to come up with the desired conclusion. Any enquiry shouldn’t be confined to just fisheries science though. 😉

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:32 pm

    ** … eight trailer road train … **

  27. September 10, 2012 8:40 pm

    I think that, self evidently, size does matter.

    I also echo teebeez refrain…”Another issue that keeps running through my head is WHAT DOES AUSTRALIA get out of this GANG RAPE?”

  28. Economies of scale permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:40 pm

    ‘You have to be joking (or really silly), ToSY … its like putting a an eight trailer on suburban roads and saying what ‘s the difference between that and a ute … ‘

    No, it isn’t. It’s like saying why harvest a field of wheat with a combine harvester when you could do it with a football team equipped with sickles.

  29. September 10, 2012 8:42 pm

    I think that the differences between harvesting a wheatfield & trawling the ocean with hundreds of kilometres of undiscriminating nets on a factory ship aren’t that subtle at all. I imagine you recognise this too.

  30. el gordo permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:44 pm

    ‘I’d have no objection to an inquiry into Teh Science.’

    I second the motion.

  31. September 10, 2012 8:44 pm

    So, they fuck over their own fisheries, now our government’s happy to let them take up here.

    * alarm bells

    ** free market globalism gone unchecked

    *** ideologies in theory, not as sound in practice

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:48 pm

    No, it isn’t. It’s like saying why harvest a field of wheat with a combine harvester when you could do it with a football team equipped with sickles.

    No it isn’t. It’s like defending freedom with a shopping bag knowing that its right and knowing that the tank could simply crush you …

    Might, might be right … but sometimes right is might!

    This monster from the other side of the world needs to go home … and quickly …

    If this doesn’t demonstrate the need for strong government REGULATION to protect our environment and resources I don’t know what does …

  33. Non-analogous permalink
    September 10, 2012 8:54 pm

    ‘I think that the differences between harvesting a wheatfield & trawling the ocean with hundreds of kilometres of undiscriminating nets on a factory ship aren’t that subtle at all.’

    This is why I don’t like analogies. But I was responding to a false analogy with a (more) appropriate one.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2012 9:05 pm

    But I was responding to a false analogy …

    Can analogies be false … by their very nature they are fictional? Perhaps your’s was simply misleading … and just because you don’t “like analogies” doesn’t mean that they aren’t a useful “tool”, to demonstrate the significance of an event or occurrence … a time honoured approach … even by the erudite …

  35. Side tracking permalink
    September 10, 2012 9:12 pm

    If analogies can derail an argument onto whether or not the analogy is appropriate, are they “useful”?

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2012 9:38 pm

    I’ve spent a couple of days on the sunshine coast, even for an upmarket part of the state-
    • Couple getting their wedding photos taken seem to think that it’s best to take a slab on to the beach.
    • Youths like a six pack each while playing beach cricket.
    • Older people seem to think that it is the height of sophistication to take a couple of bottles of riesling or rose, with plastic cups to watch the sunset.
    ———————————————
    Meanwhile Café Whispers continue to demonstrate their vendetta against diversity of opinion.

    It’s the sophistication of Kingaroy there.

  37. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 8:07 am

    Might need to rethink the title of the article reb 😉

    Super trawler plans torpedoed by cabinet

    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/super-trawler-plans-torpedoed-by-cabinet-20120910-25oib.html

  38. public toilet permalink
    September 11, 2012 8:45 am

    That’s excellent news, TomR!

    Now, if they’ll just step in & help out regional SA voters with the unjust marine parks they’ll claw back a little more redemption.

    Pigs will take wing…

  39. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 8:48 am

    unjust marine parks

    You’ll have to clarify. I’m not aware of any such parks 😉

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:12 am

    If analogies can derail an argument onto whether or not the analogy is appropriate, are they “useful”?

    So why did you start one?** ” a false analogy” … “I don’t like analogies” … were your comments, not mine .. I realise you don’t like being challenged, ToSY … but that doesn’t mean you get a free run at your “beliefs” … especially here …

    **and continue it?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Back to the thread … can anyone tell me why the Federal Government can’t stop the monster from fishing in Australian waters?

  41. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:22 am

    TB, see my link above, it has some limited explanation in that regard

  42. Wha? permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:24 am

    ‘So why did you start one?** ‘

    Start one what? (You’ll have to excuse me. I sometimes fail to pick up the intended meaning, especially when people talk in riddles. 😉 )

  43. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:51 am

    I sometimes fail to pick up the intended meaning

    A common occurrence in these parts it seems Tosy. You are not alone.

  44. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:52 am

    DAVID WEBER: Marine parks allow some fishing and don’t have an impact on recreational fishers. Sanctuaries are smaller no-take zones.

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3579284.htm

  45. public toilet permalink
    September 11, 2012 11:05 am

    That link is to WA marine parks.

  46. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 11:29 am

    It’s pretty much the same rules across the country

    South Australia’s 19 marine parks will allow a wide range of activities, including commercial and recreational fishing, Environment Minister Paul Caica says.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/eco/article.aspx?id=770177

  47. September 11, 2012 11:54 am

    BREAKING NOOZE!

    The Govt will alter current laws to stop the super trawler….

  48. el gordo permalink
    September 11, 2012 12:03 pm

    Hooray!

  49. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 12:06 pm

    Gillard Government Powerless to Stop SUPER TRAWLER OF DEATH! unless they alter current laws to stop the super trawler….

    🙂

  50. September 11, 2012 12:30 pm

    Gillard Government Powerless to Stop SUPER TRAWLER OF DEATH! (Under Current Laws)..

    🙄

  51. September 11, 2012 12:35 pm

    Tony Burke 4 weeks ago:

    Mr Burke says the Australian Fisheries Management Authority (AFMA) usually focuses on number of fish caught, not the size of the ship.

    “With this particular vessel, there can be an added complication with the issue of large takes in a very localised area,” he said.

    But he is confident AFMA will take the necessary steps to reduce that risk.

    “It’s important that that aspect of the science be brought into play and that’s something that I’m sure AFMA will be taking account of,” he said.

    Tony Burke was confident that everything would be ok just a few weeks ago….

    What’s happened since then? Has another “line been crossed?”

    Or did the government suddenly realise that they’re (once again) out of step with public opinion on this matter…

  52. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 12:36 pm

    lol @ reb 😉

  53. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 12:38 pm

    Has another “line been crossed?

    Perhaps they thought that just putting so many restrictions on the vessel would make it un-viable (I’d have thought it would)

    Guess they underestimated the desire to have the factory here

  54. public toilet permalink
    September 11, 2012 12:41 pm

    Thanks, TomR. I can’t really have a good look where I am at the moment.

    It appears you may be right, although I know that there is at least one ‘no-go’ sanctuary very close by to here.
    It’s possible I’ve paid too much heed to the redneck fishing yokels, without examining the details. 😉

    Still no excuse for selling a century of our forest rotations & closing up regional hospitals though. Not that that has much to do with federal Labor.

  55. September 11, 2012 12:51 pm

    “Perhaps they thought that just putting so many restrictions on the vessel would make it un-viable”

    I’m not so sure. Tony Burke was confident that the restrictions would be adequate right up until last Thursday. Since then, he seems to have lost confidence in the assurances emanating from Seafish Tasmania.

    All of course with the groundswell of public opinion monumentally against the ship.

    Another line must have been crossed during the weekend.

    However in saying that, it’s nice to see common sense finally prevail..

    It’s just a pity that the Gillard government always has to be dragged along to see it.

  56. public toilet permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:04 pm

    Don’t be foolish, reb. They’ve never misread prevailing public sentiment (not that they should govern by it anyway) . That’s why they’ve been polling so well for such a long time.

  57. el gordo permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:04 pm

    The Gillard government changes policy on the run…ad hoc and popular to prepare for an election.

  58. public toilet permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:05 pm

    They sure do have a knack for picking up the scent on the political breeze long after the wind has risen.

  59. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:06 pm

    It’s possible I’ve paid too much heed to the redneck fishing yokels

    I’d actually be quite upset if the Government instituted a policy that prevented them buggering off in their boats and freeing up the parks for the rest of us 😉

  60. FTW! permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:07 pm

    Hoorah! A victory for Greenpeace, GetUp, the Greens and that sanctimonious c**t Wilkie. Wonder what the unintended consequences will be?

  61. September 11, 2012 1:20 pm

    “Wonder what the unintended consequences will be?”

    Why don’t you tell us…….?

  62. September 11, 2012 1:20 pm

    This`ll catch those boatpeople.

  63. Recent history permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:39 pm

    ‘Why don’t you tell us…….?’

    Who knows? Perhaps government putting arbitrary limits on the size of fishing trawlers might have an unforeseen adverse effect on the local industry. Or, maybe – presuming the company still intends to harvest its 18,000 tonne quota – using a fleet of smaller boats instead of a larger more efficient one will drive up the price of fish for the West African countries they are destined for.

    What I do know is the last time this government knee-jerk interfered in an exporting primary industry it decimated the top end cattle trade.

  64. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 11, 2012 1:56 pm

    Gotta say I prefer the idea of a lot of small fishermen than one big trawler.

  65. el gordo permalink
    September 11, 2012 2:00 pm

    Small is beautiful.

  66. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 11, 2012 3:21 pm

    I’m sure if I head down this path someone will point out a contradiction with some other held position but I tend to think that within a reasonable distance from a coastline fishing should be broadly allowed but with restrictions to small commercial and recreational (and all the limits that apply thereto). Southern Ocean stuff is somewhat different given the distances.

    But there can be no ownership with regards to fisheries therefore it shouldn’t be open slather on harvest.

  67. September 11, 2012 3:39 pm

    Recreational fishermen are scum. These bastards (and they are mainly men) kill for recreation – for the pleasure of jagging metal through the mouths of fish.

    Commercial fishermen kill for food, which may be slightly better than killing for fun, but they do much more damage to fish populations in the process. When are we as a species going to stop murdering other lifeforms? There are many more efficient ways to feed people without killing animals. You would think that we, as a civilised species, would prefer not to kill to satisfy our hunger. To do so for recreation is just unspeakable.

  68. el gordo permalink
    September 11, 2012 3:54 pm

    Little Pig is a female vegan.

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2012 4:04 pm

    Do Vegans swallow?

  70. September 11, 2012 4:46 pm

    Haha..ok, now I’m starting to think that minorpissigloo minipiglo might be a parody.

  71. September 11, 2012 4:54 pm

    I’m not sue why you’re such a defender of monolithic interests, Yony. It’s not all a green/wilkie/greenpeace/getup conspiracy, dontcha know?!
    Pretty sure that plenty of people not at all aligned with any of the above mentioned had/have misgivings about inviting that factory ship into our waters.

    The big bastards don’t get to win by default & free market radicalism every single time; nor should they.

    What about the unintended consequences of some of the military occupations you’ve supported?
    Seems pretty specious to me.

  72. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 11, 2012 4:59 pm

    I must say I do feel a sense of discomfort sharing a position with GetUp and those other groups. It’s just this once.

  73. September 11, 2012 5:08 pm

    It’s good to not just automatically assume ideological positions, snacty! 🙂

    There should be more of it.

  74. Monolithicist permalink
    September 11, 2012 5:09 pm

    ‘Pretty sure that plenty of people not at all aligned with any of the above mentioned had/have misgivings about inviting that factory ship into our waters.’

    Everyone here except me, evidently. But I’m used to being an “extremist” 🙄 , so it doesn’t bother me. It (the “consensus”) doesn’t make them (or me) right, either.

    ‘What about the unintended consequences of some of the military occupations you’ve supported?’

    What the fuck has that got to do with this discussion anything – except military “occupations”? 😯

    ‘Seems pretty specious to me.’

    Does it? That’s nice. 😉

  75. September 11, 2012 5:09 pm

    Seriously, what sort of person sits around all afternoon trying to rip a hook into an animals mouth and calls it recreation? Is just because the fish don’t bark, howl or moan when they are wounded that makes it OK. It is not much different to cock-fighting only with fishing humans get to inflict the pain directly. Now there is a real man’s sport!

  76. September 11, 2012 5:19 pm

    On some level, I agree with that, minipiglo. But, I’m not willing to give up eating animals. I grew up on a farm, as I’m sure you’re aware, and I have a pragmatic view of such things.

    I concur that making sport of killing or tormenting unconsenting ‘lesser beings’ (lesser being a relative, human judgement in this case…go read The Philosopher & The Wolf) is pretty base behaviour & I’m not into that sort of shit unless we’re talking shooting horses on an artillery range or somesuch .
    I’m surrounded by hunters & fishermen here. Some of them like nothing better than to gun down anything that they encounter bar other men, when they have a firearm in their hands. I think that’s gutless & cruel, to varying degrees proportional to the time they take to kill.

    My main objection to fishing is that it’s insanely boring & like a lethal game of chance. But, I’m not the ‘fun’ police either.

    I think it takes a pretty heartless individual to look something in the eyes & kill it without compassion unless it’s a horse .

  77. September 11, 2012 5:28 pm

    “What the fuck has that got to do with this discussion anything”

    No need to swear at me. I have very delicate emotions. 😯

    What I meant was…

    You used…”Wonder what the unintended consequences will be?”…presumably to bemoan the prevention of the superkillship.
    I was merely inferring that that sort of argument could be applied to just about any decision that doesn’t agree with one’s perception of what should or shouldn’t be. If the fear of ‘unintended consequences’ was given reign then very little would be achieved.

    Let’s face it, nearly every complex action ever taken had ‘unintended consequences’.

    Perhaps I also meant that you and the heinous, snacty are more than willing to put up with the ‘unintended consequences’ when it’s in the path of something questionable that you endorse…like military invasions.

  78. September 11, 2012 5:31 pm

    ” It (the “consensus”) doesn’t make them (or me) right, either.”

    I am wary of the tyranny of the majority myself; as I noted back up the thread. 😉

    I’m all for sensible, if unpopular, decision making. I just don’t see allowing the Searaper into our waters as that.

  79. Missed meaning permalink
    September 11, 2012 5:43 pm

    ‘You used…”Wonder what the unintended consequences will be?”…presumably to bemoan the prevention of the superkillship.’

    I was referring – indirectly, and far too subtly, apparently – to the unintended consequences of this government’s halting of live cattle exports in response to equally raucous public outcry.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2012 5:44 pm

    What I do know is the last time this government knee-jerk interfered in an exporting primary industry it decimated the top end cattle trade.

    Isn’t that an analogy?

    And why should I care about the price of fkn West African fish! If that’s where it’s “destined for”, why don’t they take the monstrosity to West Africa?

    more than willing to put up with the ‘unintended consequences’ when it’s in the path of something questionable that you endorse…like military invasions.

    Nah, Toillette, that’s just “collateral damage” … and if ADF personnel happen to be killed or wounded … “well they volunteered for that, didn’t they!”

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2012 5:47 pm

    I like this analogy:

    The Abel Tasman (let’s change the name and get some local support … LOL!) is lke Woolworths and Coles trashing all the local shops in a village …

    If stopping the AT from fishing has cost 50 jobs it just might have saved the livehood of 100+ families …

  82. Negative permalink
    September 11, 2012 5:53 pm

    ‘Isn’t that an analogy?’

    No, it’s a statement of fact. 😐

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2012 6:10 pm

    But used in an analogous way … trawlers don’t catch cows …

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 6:42 pm

    I’d like a supertrawler that trawls sharks.

  85. September 11, 2012 6:48 pm

    Sharkhating chicken! 😯

  86. September 11, 2012 6:49 pm

    Sharks are about the coolest living things on the entire planet!

    Along with necrotising fasciitis.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 6:57 pm

    I’m thinking of taking a 12 gauge shot gun surfing.

    Sharks aren’t friendly creatures.
    ==========
    …but notice how the politicians only talk about the dolphins and seals the supertrawler might catch. They don’t mention sharks.

    That’s because people would insist on a dozen of these things around the coast if the knew they picked up ugly, man (and women and children) eating sharks!

  88. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 7:29 pm

    Apparently I’m scum? 😯

    I quite enjoy an afternoons fishing. I enjoy even more bbqing my catch and feeding it to my adoring bride who gazes upon me with wonder at my manliness and skill in the hunt.

  89. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 7:32 pm

    Sharks can get fcked. I refuse to “take the time to understand” something with teeth like that. My ancestors fought hard to get me to the top of the food chain and I’d be quite comfortable with shark extinction. Fck em.

  90. Sleep with the fishes permalink
    September 11, 2012 7:33 pm

    You might be scum, Sancty, but not because you fish. The only reason I don’t fish is because the fish reject me. I can be in a boat full of people who are all catching fish and I can’t get a bite.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 7:43 pm

    Fishing is boring. It looks like an excuse to consume alcohol. Why bother with an excuse?

    The other problem with fish is that apparently they don’t go with a decent red.

    So I really don’t see much point in trying to catch them.

  92. Flake: win win permalink
    September 11, 2012 7:53 pm

    I could never stop eating animals. I love steak too much. (And bacon, roast lamb, portugese chicken, jamon iberico, crayfish, duck, chilli prawns, corned beef, hot hungarian salami, etc etc)

  93. el gordo permalink
    September 11, 2012 8:19 pm

    I could never stop eating animals.

    Our feminine vegan will not be happy.

  94. September 11, 2012 8:34 pm

    I could stop eating animals if I had to kill them myself.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 8:58 pm

    Who said- if god didn’t want us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them out of meat…

    I never visualise an animal on a plate, I only see a medium rare scotch fillet.

  96. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:00 pm

    I was surprised, Reb, how little difference it made, having had to kill the odd steer. It’s not fun, but the rib eye still tastes bloody fantastic rare with a Langhorne Creek Shiraz.

  97. Where does food come from? permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:03 pm

    Probably why we outsource that work.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:28 pm

    Become a vegetarian (once removed). That is, only eat herbivores.

    I’d never eat a carnivore*, it’s just barbaric.

    (*fish excluded)

  99. High steaks permalink
    September 11, 2012 9:44 pm

    If you like steak, try this (it works):

  100. September 11, 2012 9:56 pm

    Oh that’s just soooo typical of the rabid right. Once they get a whiff that they might be losing the argument, they throw in a “look over there” with a fkn steak recipe….!

    😉

  101. Look: It's a BBQ permalink
    September 11, 2012 10:08 pm

    Uh oh, looks like the leftoids are on to our dastardly food scheme plan ruse diversion. 😯

  102. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2012 10:19 pm

    Controversial turning it so often…

  103. September 11, 2012 10:27 pm

    “I could stop eating animals if I had to kill them myself.”

    You’re right. That’s probably the only thing which would make me stop.

    I don’t like killing. Death is inevitable, so is killing (to a certain extent), but it’s something to aspire away from; not towards. Depending, of course, upon the context & the duration & the instance of the killing. I’ve seen lots of it. I don’t like it.
    I accept that somebody will & must do it.

    Mmmmmmmmm, Angus turd bologna, mmmmm. >del>dirty Italians among us , mmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

    Slake thirst with blood, mmmmmm, bloodthirst, mmmmm…..
    Feed irrepressible anger & urge to wound in a fatal fashion with driveby Prado attacks with LAW’s on apaloosas.

  104. September 11, 2012 10:38 pm

    Sharks don’t take sides like nasty-arsed humans. Humans aren’t friendly creatures.

    We should use the guest login method…

    http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/shockcollars

    “I’d be quite comfortable with shark extinction.”

    Stupid arsed rightwing shortsighted individualist religious dominionist response. Highly illustrative.

    I’m amused by all of the gutless fucks who would rather kill sharks than dip their toe, out of their comfort zone, into the medium which dominates the surface of their planet.
    It’s all about some illusion of dominance & dominion wit da rightardations.

  105. Quick turnover permalink
    September 11, 2012 10:53 pm

    ‘Controversial turning it so often’

    Controversial, yes. But yummy as hell.

  106. Meta permalink
    September 11, 2012 11:19 pm

    (More cheep torque?)

  107. September 12, 2012 12:31 am

    “Super trawler plans torpedoed by cabinet”
    *
    Good to see the Corporatologists take one in the arse for once, instead of the rest of us.

  108. September 12, 2012 12:40 am

    “Sharks can get fcked. I refuse to “take the time to understand” something with teeth like that. My ancestors fought hard to get me to the top of the food chain”

    *dip-shit*
    Sharks roaming the streets of North Boltsville with bottles of bbq-sauce, kicking in doors and devouring home owners must be a big problem.

  109. September 12, 2012 12:46 am

    Glad to hear your Tassie trip is going well TB.

  110. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2012 6:29 am

    Dipshit? At least I don’t go putting BBQ sauce of freshly caught and grilled snapper!!

  111. Flip flops permalink
    September 12, 2012 7:13 am

    ‘This backflip underscores the government’s record of poor judgment and poor decision-making. Even the Greens are accusing the government of making policy on the run. From climate change to the mining tax and poker machines to live cattle exports, again the government has capitulated after being spooked by its opponents. This decision will further undermine business confidence and embolden other fringe groups and nervous backbenchers to challenge ministers to overturn decisions.

    ‘http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/minister-burkes-trawler-fiasco/story-e6frg71x-1226472125478

  112. Mmmm, ham. permalink
    September 12, 2012 7:31 am

    ‘Immediately after weaning, the piglets are fattened on barley and maize for several weeks. The pigs are then allowed to roam in pasture and oak groves to feed naturally on grass, herbs, acorns, and roots, until the slaughtering time approaches. At that point, the diet may be strictly limited to olives or acorns for the best quality jamón ibérico, or may be a mix of acorns and commercial feed for lesser qualities.

    ‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n_ib%C3%A9rico

  113. el gordo permalink
    September 12, 2012 7:42 am

    Good, we demand policy on the run from this useless government, its about time they took notice of what the electorate is thinking…on a daily basis. That’s what polls are for….I demand instant gratification and will not be put off.

  114. September 12, 2012 7:49 am

    “Controversial turning it so often”

    🙂

  115. September 12, 2012 9:47 am

    “Commercial fishermen kill for food”
    *pigs-arse*
    They do it for CASH, MiniPiglo.
    The word `commercial should have tipped you off.
    PS. How`s the sex-life? .. Reb`s fascinated.

  116. September 12, 2012 10:53 am

    “using a fleet of smaller boats instead of a larger more efficient one will drive up the price of fish for the West African countries they are destined for.”
    *corporatology*arsehurt*derp*

  117. el gordo permalink
    September 12, 2012 12:58 pm

    This is an interesting turn up…

    ‘THE Coalition has declared it will vote against Labor’s last minute measures to stop the super trawler Abel Tasman from fishing Australian waters.

    ‘Opposition environment spokesman Greg Hunt told parliament that the changes had created a new level of uncertainty for Australia’s fishing industry.’

    Lanai Vasek in the Oz.

  118. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 12, 2012 1:17 pm

    Who the hell turns their steak that often. And who the fuck cooks steak in a pan. You cook steak on an ultra hot charcoal BBQ .

    And you cook it with pepper on it plus while it’s resting you rub a sliced garlic clove along its surface and melt a small knob of butter on it. Once its fully melted you eat it.

  119. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 12, 2012 1:25 pm

    Gas BBQ. 20 secs each side on the hot plate, then onto the grill. Turn once. Seasoning is for poofs.

  120. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 12, 2012 1:31 pm

    Where is Xi Jinping ?

    He’s disappeared .

  121. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 12, 2012 1:32 pm

    Bullshit !

    Charcoal is the go

  122. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 12, 2012 1:39 pm

    I thought this thread was about fish. Why did ToSY hijack it onto steak ?

  123. September 12, 2012 3:45 pm

    “They do it for CASH, MiniPiglo.”

    And how do they actually get the cash? Dredge it up from the bottom of the ocean? Or perhaps their purpose is to catch fish which can be used as food by others willing to pay someone else for their food. The real cause driving the fishing here is that people want food. Focusing on only one stage of the chain of events between fishing and digestion leads to spurious comments such as yours.

    My original point was that this type of fishing is less malicious than catching fish for the pleasure of jagging a hook through the fish’s mouth. It still stands.

  124. el gordo permalink
    September 12, 2012 3:53 pm

    ‘Where is Xi Jinping ?’

    Its a quiet quiet revolution.

  125. September 12, 2012 4:59 pm

    “Why did ToSY hijack it onto steak ?”

    Coz he was losing the fish argument…

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2012 6:30 pm

    I realise that the public service reductions are quite contentious in Queensland, but really, the pen pushers are a drain on civilised society.

    I like teachers, nurses and police (sometimes), but bureaucrats are self interested and lazy. They attend meetings in numbers, only to eat the biscuits and organise the next meeting.

    Look at the explosion of non value adding overheads in the health sector. They just get in the way of actual service delivery. Get rid of them.

  127. September 12, 2012 7:09 pm

    Personally, I think we should be decimating self serving things like ‘Olympic Committees’ before a dime gets cut out of hospitals, nurses, police or teachers.

  128. Scorched Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2012 7:24 pm

    State sacks more than half of Rural Fire Service uniformed officers

    “As Queensland is in the initial stages of what is acknowledged as the worst bushfire season in 50 years, to lose the ability for Rural Fire Brigades to be supported from experienced and local Fire Service Officers will place communities and Volunteer Firefighters in danger.”

    Figures compiled by the RFBAQ show that NSW spends nearly four times as much on each of its rural firefighters than Queensland, and Victoria spends more than seven times as much.

    A bipartisan Parliamentary committee report last year into the management of Rural Fire Services in Queensland found the service suffered from a a lack of resources.

  129. September 12, 2012 7:53 pm

    …or rural fire services!

    I bet the fuckers are leaving the metro FD alone though. We are facing similar problems down here. If it wasn’t for volunteers, regional SA wouldn’t have a CFS.

    Our legislators’ care factor ends about where the 80km zone leaving capital cities begins.

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2012 8:19 pm

    The public service if overburdened with self important administrators, overseers.

    As I’ve pointed out in the past hospitals are a huge offender, the y love bureaucracy and it’s always at the expense of those that are looking after people.

    • What used to be a “Maintenance Supervisor” is now a “Director of Facilities Planning and Engineering”
    • Catering Supervisor is now General Manager of Client Nutrition
    • Personnel Officer = Director of People Capability and Environmental Safety
    • Filing Clerk = General Manager, Freedom of Information & Public Liaison

    All will have departments and subordinate managers.

    Then there are all the brand new overheads that didn’t exist in the past
    • Director, Public Relations
    • Executive General Manager, Community Stakeholders

    It’s the nature of bureaucracy and bureaucrats, they seek to get as many levels as possible between themselves and the people who actually deliver a service to the public.

    Remoteness, an office, an “Executive General Manager” title and a leased Commodore…they’re the primary motivations of the typical public servant…and we could do with a whole lot less of them.

  131. September 12, 2012 8:29 pm

    So, no complaints about eradicating the AOC then, YomM?

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2012 8:43 pm

    Well HD, there are plenty of opportunities for reduction in government expenditure, and I’d be happy to put the squeeze on the AOC. Also the various imitation European Arts that never get off the public teat.

    But empire building public servants deserve special scrutiny because their only objective is to get more lazy likeminded types on the public payroll.

  133. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2012 8:45 pm

    I wouldn’t, Toilet. Waste of bloody money in my book.

  134. September 12, 2012 8:51 pm

    I have no truck with that. It seems like a good idea, if it’s as derivative as you make it sound.

    One thing I’ve noticed throughout my working life, particularly as a shiftworker.

    Say there are X members of operations techs on a shift. There will be 2X supporting cast in the office performing superfluous, unproductive functions between 8am-4pm. They all fuck off home in the afternoon & on the weekend, while the X on the floor remain. X people on the floor steer the ship & keep the place running in spite of the detached decision making & chair occupying of 2X boffins & mobile hinderances. 2X are just baggage, not directly related to getting shit done or turning a profit.

    The scalpel should always be ruthlessly applied to the 2X in the first instance!

  135. September 12, 2012 8:51 pm

    Me too, snacty, me too. 🙂

  136. September 12, 2012 8:53 pm

    8:51 was in response to da YomMsta.

  137. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 12, 2012 10:09 pm

    Public servants being throw onto the street ?

    It’s about time.

    You cannot have a constantly depleted private sector supporting a consistently growing bloated public service which believes its entitled to a wage increase every year upon year.

    Many in the private sector have not had an increase in 5 years.

    I say if they are not a nurse a cop an Ambo or a fireman then “review ” them .

    Newman and O’Farrell have mandates to screw the PS.

    More power to them

  138. Accountants Ain't Economists! permalink
    September 12, 2012 10:25 pm

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/turning-off-the-garden-citys-tap-20120822-24mnt.html

    Toowomba mayor Paul Antonio drew his breath before he talked about the future of his city.

    “There clearly have been some job cuts in Toowoomba, there’s no question of that,” Cr Antonio said.

    “Now whether that is going to mean a cutting in services, or whether it is going to mean that some of the jobs that have been performed in the public sector go to the private sector, I don’t yet know.”

    Cr Antonio, who was angered by the state government’s recent decision to close the Westbrook Prison without talking to the Toowoomba community, said he was now very concerned.

    “I just fear, and I think there is a community fear out there, that they might have switched the tap pretty close to off, if they are not careful,” he said.

    “I applaud their courage in some of the things they have done. But in saying that, I am going to be mindful that the public sector does play a major role in service delivery.

    “But in saying that there were some serious issues that need to be addressed and I think they have had the courage to address those issues.”

    Cr Antonio said he had no idea of the details of the balance sheets for governments departments operating in Toowoomba.

    “We must be very careful that we don’t switch the tap right off,” he said.

    Mr Mullins said the impact on Toowoomba from the job cuts will be felt in the longer term.

    He said public servants who lost their jobs drifted back to the coastline, like the large rural drift back to the cities in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

    “In regional cities and towns, if state public servants lose their jobs, their skill sets are not transferable immediately to other work in the region and they tend to go back to the coast, taking their families with them,” he said.

    Mr Mullens said planners in regional towns were very aware that public servants in regional towns played a “disproportionately high” role in the town’s social infrastructure.

    “So that’s the P and C Associations, the emergency service volunteers, Rotary, you name it,” he said.

    “If they exit the town, the impact is not only financial, it is social.”

    Unintended consequences? or LNP dogma.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2012 9:48 am

    Barrackers argue-

    • Thomson had no case to answer for his actions as a union leader is misusing the funds belonging to members. He misused the funds on prostitutes when he was in his 40s.
    • We should ignore that Gillard advised a corrupt union official on setting up slush funds. He was her boyfriend, she had a clear conflict of interest and she still has not addressed herself to critical questions. She was drummed out of her job as a lawyer. She was in her mid-30s.
    • But, it is vital that we scrutinise the behaviour of Abbott as a teenager when he punched a wall to intimidate a woman.

    Abbott may well be an unpleasant individual, and was probably an unpleasant teenager. But who here thinks our actions at 19 are those we carry through into our adult, professional lives.

    On the other hand, the habits we have acquired by the time we’re working as 34 year old professionals (eg Gillard) are likely to continue.

    Barrackers are quite mindless in their hypocrisy.

  140. September 13, 2012 10:11 am

    “Barrackers are quite mindless in their hypocrisy”

    Of course!

    Where is all the indignant outrage at the Govt’s decision to have pregnant women and unaccompanied minors sent to Nauru….??

    The silence from the so-called “left” is deafening…

    If this had been a Howard Government decision they’d be howling from the rooftops, but because it’s “their Joolya” it’s all just politely side-stepped…

    They’re pathetic.

  141. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 13, 2012 10:31 am

    If Abbott had physically intimidated a young woman back then it would have been widely (and rightly) reported long before now. This stinks of freshly laid bullshit.

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2012 10:38 am

    • Thomson is clearly dishonest.
    • Gillard was drummed out of her job as a lawyer due to questions of competence and integrity.
    • Slipper most likely rorts travel expenses.

    …but the excitement is that Abbott was an annoying, unruly teenager!!

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2012 10:40 am

    AND THE GOVERNMENT INTENDS TO SEND VULNERABLE PEOPLE TO NAURU

    That should teach all those other millions of vulnerable people a lesson.

  144. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 13, 2012 10:59 am

    “This stinks of freshly laid bullshit”

    That’s because it is. I was at Sydney Uni at the same time and Abbott was not liked at all by us Uni Socialists who contributed to the Uni newspaper Honi Soit.

    There is no way if such an incident occurred it would have gone unnoticed.

    Abbott was much disliked at the Student Representaive Council. He would have been politically neutered if the “Punch” actually occurred.

    It’s crap

  145. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 13, 2012 11:02 am

    I have no idea what point AAE was trying to make with his/her lazy cut and paste.

    Bloated public servants out of their jobs ?

    Care factor = Zero

  146. September 13, 2012 11:15 am

    “If Abbott had physically intimidated a young woman back then it would have been widely (and rightly) reported long before now. “

    That’s bullshit.

    He was a nobody back then and so was the victim…

    He is now one of the most powerful people in the country with an unenviable reputation as a thug and a misogynist.

    It would take a brave woman to speak out now, given his considerable power, and influence.

    I see that a Sydney barrister has now verified the victim’s account of the events. But you simply buy into Abbott’s line that he “couldn’t remember it,” sorry I mean “it didn’t happen…”

    Honestly your blind allegiance to Abbott is sometimes astounding…

    BTW, I have a new post up on Abbott. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it… 😉

  147. September 14, 2012 8:55 am

    “My original point was that this type of fishing is less malicious than catching fish for the pleasure of jagging a hook through the fish’s mouth. It still stands.”


    Have a coffee MiniPiglo
    It is called Long-Line Industrial Fishing.
    Not practiced by Father and Son hobby fishermen,
    or Native People`s Sustenance fishing.

  148. September 16, 2012 5:19 pm

    You are being obtuse. Both forms of fishing are cruel and no decent person would be involved in either. The point is that at least I can understand fishing for food. Recreational fishing, on the other hand, has as its main purpose the fisherman pleasuring himself by jagging a steel hook through the mouth of the fish, dragging out of the water, throwing it in a bucket and watching its death throes. I can’t even begin to imagine anyone (other than Tony Abbott) enjoying themselves by cruelly inflicting pain on animals. Do you really think that is a legitimate form of recreation?

  149. September 22, 2012 2:15 am

    We should have told the French `super-trawler` is a Green-Peace vessel.

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