Gillard Government Powerless to Stop SUPER TRAWLER OF DEATH!

The anger at this is palpable down here. It is gaining great traction because, as you alluded, the SA nanny party…metrocentric Adelaidephile party Labor Party is currently introducing ‘Marine Parks’ where recreational fishing is banned; supposedly to protect fish stocks.
Funnily enough (or not, if you live down here) Adelaide metropolitan waters aren’t off limits, but vast expanses of our more remote coastline & kms out to sea are.

So it’s hardly any wonder that a fair proportion of the population in my surrounds are mighty po’d about it.

That was before the fuckers let that supertrawler free reign to pillage the same ocean on an industrial scale!
You’d have to be a raving free market fundamentalist…fucked in the head…pretty naive to think that a fishraping net on that sort of scale is going to discriminate between what it should catch & dolphins, mermaids & the baby jeebus.

That pretty much means that baby seals & dolphins will get a quick clubbing & then thrown straight over the side by the foreign fishrapists before any of the government (who presumably won’t be on the killing deck watching proceedings) monitors can catch them beeing naughty.

How fucking stupid do these people think we are?!

A net is a net is a net. They’re not magical supernets which catch only mackerel & redbait, but by some arcane wizardry let the cuddly fish escape.

To be honest, I rate fish right up there with horses. ie. I am unmoved by fish. Fish aside, why are the arseholes stopping the average joe from throwing a line in (and I’m not a fisherman either, boooooring, if you’re near the ocean you oughta be surfing in it, not sitting next to it hooking up dumb organisms) but letting some fkn mega-factory ship from the Northern hemisphere come down here & deplete our biosphere?!

It makes a man angry, it does.

Yep, that’s my take on it too, reb.

It is happening right now in SA.

The Marine Parks have long been a contentious issue, particularly down here in the Southeast.
At first I thought it was funny, because most of the locals are redneck fisherman that I work with. That was until I realised that, upon looking at a map of the proposed park zoning, they are (once again) letting the vast metropolitan population of Adelaide do whatever the fuck they want. But throwing a bone to environmentalists by prohibiting vast tracts of sea & coastline down here which are currently well patronised by a much smaller population of regional voters whom the SA ALP has no need to appease.

The state Labor Party needs a huge kick in the arse. They’ve been around waaaaay too long, have gotten arrogant & have, in the last couple of years, plundered my region for all its worth; at no coast to the capital but tremendous future cost to our smaller communities.

These are the conservationist ideas that may help the greens dig themselves out of a deep black hole.

BF3 Armoured Kill expansion is awesome, TB!

What about the little people?

What about the disparity between the treatment of metropolitan V regional citizens?

What about the fact that y’all are quite happy to question the validity of the conclusions of AGW science & scientists, but seemingly let the conclusions manufactured to allow the factory ship access go through to the keeper all po-faced?
Why aren’t similar governmental motives of self interest at play?

Should they be able to, in good conscience, ban recreational fishing in selected parts of SA but roll out the welcome mat for a moneymaking megalith whose sole purpose is to harvest the ocean?

http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php?/weblog/article/conflicts-of-interest-on-board-overseeing-super-trawler/

‘You have to be joking (or really silly), ToSY … its like putting a an eight trailer on suburban roads and saying what ‘s the difference between that and a ute … ‘

No, it isn’t. It’s like saying why harvest a field of wheat with a combine harvester when you could do it with a football team equipped with sickles.

‘I’d have no objection to an inquiry into Teh Science.’

I second the motion.

I’ve spent a couple of days on the sunshine coast, even for an upmarket part of the state-
• Couple getting their wedding photos taken seem to think that it’s best to take a slab on to the beach.
• Youths like a six pack each while playing beach cricket.
• Older people seem to think that it is the height of sophistication to take a couple of bottles of riesling or rose, with plastic cups to watch the sunset.
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Meanwhile Café Whispers continue to demonstrate their vendetta against diversity of opinion.

It’s the sophistication of Kingaroy there.

That’s excellent news, TomR!

Now, if they’ll just step in & help out regional SA voters with the unjust marine parks they’ll claw back a little more redemption.

Pigs will take wing…

‘So why did you start one?** ‘

Start one what? (You’ll have to excuse me. I sometimes fail to pick up the intended meaning, especially when people talk in riddles. 😉 )

DAVID WEBER: Marine parks allow some fishing and don’t have an impact on recreational fishers. Sanctuaries are smaller no-take zones.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3579284.htm

It’s pretty much the same rules across the country

South Australia’s 19 marine parks will allow a wide range of activities, including commercial and recreational fishing, Environment Minister Paul Caica says.

http://www.skynews.com.au/eco/article.aspx?id=770177

Gillard Government Powerless to Stop SUPER TRAWLER OF DEATH! unless they alter current laws to stop the super trawler….

🙂

Has another “line been crossed?

Perhaps they thought that just putting so many restrictions on the vessel would make it un-viable (I’d have thought it would)

Guess they underestimated the desire to have the factory here

The Gillard government changes policy on the run…ad hoc and popular to prepare for an election.

It’s possible I’ve paid too much heed to the redneck fishing yokels

I’d actually be quite upset if the Government instituted a policy that prevented them buggering off in their boats and freeing up the parks for the rest of us 😉

‘Why don’t you tell us…….?’

Who knows? Perhaps government putting arbitrary limits on the size of fishing trawlers might have an unforeseen adverse effect on the local industry. Or, maybe – presuming the company still intends to harvest its 18,000 tonne quota – using a fleet of smaller boats instead of a larger more efficient one will drive up the price of fish for the West African countries they are destined for.

What I do know is the last time this government knee-jerk interfered in an exporting primary industry it decimated the top end cattle trade.

Small is beautiful.

I’m not sue why you’re such a defender of monolithic interests, Yony. It’s not all a green/wilkie/greenpeace/getup conspiracy, dontcha know?!
Pretty sure that plenty of people not at all aligned with any of the above mentioned had/have misgivings about inviting that factory ship into our waters.

The big bastards don’t get to win by default & free market radicalism every single time; nor should they.

What about the unintended consequences of some of the military occupations you’ve supported?
Seems pretty specious to me.

It’s good to not just automatically assume ideological positions, snacty! 🙂

There should be more of it.

“What the fuck has that got to do with this discussion anything”

No need to swear at me. I have very delicate emotions. 😯

What I meant was…

You used…”Wonder what the unintended consequences will be?”…presumably to bemoan the prevention of the superkillship.
I was merely inferring that that sort of argument could be applied to just about any decision that doesn’t agree with one’s perception of what should or shouldn’t be. If the fear of ‘unintended consequences’ was given reign then very little would be achieved.

Let’s face it, nearly every complex action ever taken had ‘unintended consequences’.

Perhaps I also meant that you and the heinous, snacty are more than willing to put up with the ‘unintended consequences’ when it’s in the path of something questionable that you endorse…like military invasions.

‘You used…”Wonder what the unintended consequences will be?”…presumably to bemoan the prevention of the superkillship.’

I was referring – indirectly, and far too subtly, apparently – to the unintended consequences of this government’s halting of live cattle exports in response to equally raucous public outcry.

Sharkhating chicken! 😯

I’m thinking of taking a 12 gauge shot gun surfing.

Sharks aren’t friendly creatures.
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…but notice how the politicians only talk about the dolphins and seals the supertrawler might catch. They don’t mention sharks.

That’s because people would insist on a dozen of these things around the coast if the knew they picked up ugly, man (and women and children) eating sharks!

Fishing is boring. It looks like an excuse to consume alcohol. Why bother with an excuse?

The other problem with fish is that apparently they don’t go with a decent red.

So I really don’t see much point in trying to catch them.

I could never stop eating animals.

Our feminine vegan will not be happy.

Who said- if god didn’t want us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them out of meat…

I never visualise an animal on a plate, I only see a medium rare scotch fillet.

Probably why we outsource that work.

If you like steak, try this (it works):

Uh oh, looks like the leftoids are on to our dastardly food scheme plan ruse diversion. 😯

“I could stop eating animals if I had to kill them myself.”

You’re right. That’s probably the only thing which would make me stop.

I don’t like killing. Death is inevitable, so is killing (to a certain extent), but it’s something to aspire away from; not towards. Depending, of course, upon the context & the duration & the instance of the killing. I’ve seen lots of it. I don’t like it.
I accept that somebody will & must do it.

Mmmmmmmmm, Angus turd bologna, mmmmm. >del>dirty Italians among us , mmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

Slake thirst with blood, mmmmmm, bloodthirst, mmmmm…..
Feed irrepressible anger & urge to wound in a fatal fashion with driveby Prado attacks with LAW’s on apaloosas.

‘Controversial turning it so often’

Controversial, yes. But yummy as hell.

‘This backflip underscores the government’s record of poor judgment and poor decision-making. Even the Greens are accusing the government of making policy on the run. From climate change to the mining tax and poker machines to live cattle exports, again the government has capitulated after being spooked by its opponents. This decision will further undermine business confidence and embolden other fringe groups and nervous backbenchers to challenge ministers to overturn decisions.

‘http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/minister-burkes-trawler-fiasco/story-e6frg71x-1226472125478

‘Immediately after weaning, the piglets are fattened on barley and maize for several weeks. The pigs are then allowed to roam in pasture and oak groves to feed naturally on grass, herbs, acorns, and roots, until the slaughtering time approaches. At that point, the diet may be strictly limited to olives or acorns for the best quality jamón ibérico, or may be a mix of acorns and commercial feed for lesser qualities.

‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n_ib%C3%A9rico

Who the hell turns their steak that often. And who the fuck cooks steak in a pan. You cook steak on an ultra hot charcoal BBQ .

And you cook it with pepper on it plus while it’s resting you rub a sliced garlic clove along its surface and melt a small knob of butter on it. Once its fully melted you eat it.

Where is Xi Jinping ?

He’s disappeared .

I thought this thread was about fish. Why did ToSY hijack it onto steak ?

‘Where is Xi Jinping ?’

Its a quiet quiet revolution.

I realise that the public service reductions are quite contentious in Queensland, but really, the pen pushers are a drain on civilised society.

I like teachers, nurses and police (sometimes), but bureaucrats are self interested and lazy. They attend meetings in numbers, only to eat the biscuits and organise the next meeting.

Look at the explosion of non value adding overheads in the health sector. They just get in the way of actual service delivery. Get rid of them.

State sacks more than half of Rural Fire Service uniformed officers

“As Queensland is in the initial stages of what is acknowledged as the worst bushfire season in 50 years, to lose the ability for Rural Fire Brigades to be supported from experienced and local Fire Service Officers will place communities and Volunteer Firefighters in danger.”

Figures compiled by the RFBAQ show that NSW spends nearly four times as much on each of its rural firefighters than Queensland, and Victoria spends more than seven times as much.

A bipartisan Parliamentary committee report last year into the management of Rural Fire Services in Queensland found the service suffered from a a lack of resources.

The public service if overburdened with self important administrators, overseers.

As I’ve pointed out in the past hospitals are a huge offender, the y love bureaucracy and it’s always at the expense of those that are looking after people.

• What used to be a “Maintenance Supervisor” is now a “Director of Facilities Planning and Engineering”
• Catering Supervisor is now General Manager of Client Nutrition
• Personnel Officer = Director of People Capability and Environmental Safety
• Filing Clerk = General Manager, Freedom of Information & Public Liaison

All will have departments and subordinate managers.

Then there are all the brand new overheads that didn’t exist in the past
• Director, Public Relations
• Executive General Manager, Community Stakeholders

It’s the nature of bureaucracy and bureaucrats, they seek to get as many levels as possible between themselves and the people who actually deliver a service to the public.

Remoteness, an office, an “Executive General Manager” title and a leased Commodore…they’re the primary motivations of the typical public servant…and we could do with a whole lot less of them.

Well HD, there are plenty of opportunities for reduction in government expenditure, and I’d be happy to put the squeeze on the AOC. Also the various imitation European Arts that never get off the public teat.

But empire building public servants deserve special scrutiny because their only objective is to get more lazy likeminded types on the public payroll.

I have no truck with that. It seems like a good idea, if it’s as derivative as you make it sound.

One thing I’ve noticed throughout my working life, particularly as a shiftworker.

Say there are X members of operations techs on a shift. There will be 2X supporting cast in the office performing superfluous, unproductive functions between 8am-4pm. They all fuck off home in the afternoon & on the weekend, while the X on the floor remain. X people on the floor steer the ship & keep the place running in spite of the detached decision making & chair occupying of 2X boffins & mobile hinderances. 2X are just baggage, not directly related to getting shit done or turning a profit.

The scalpel should always be ruthlessly applied to the 2X in the first instance!

8:51 was in response to da YomMsta.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/turning-off-the-garden-citys-tap-20120822-24mnt.html

Toowomba mayor Paul Antonio drew his breath before he talked about the future of his city.

“There clearly have been some job cuts in Toowoomba, there’s no question of that,” Cr Antonio said.

“Now whether that is going to mean a cutting in services, or whether it is going to mean that some of the jobs that have been performed in the public sector go to the private sector, I don’t yet know.”

Cr Antonio, who was angered by the state government’s recent decision to close the Westbrook Prison without talking to the Toowoomba community, said he was now very concerned.

“I just fear, and I think there is a community fear out there, that they might have switched the tap pretty close to off, if they are not careful,” he said.

“I applaud their courage in some of the things they have done. But in saying that, I am going to be mindful that the public sector does play a major role in service delivery.

“But in saying that there were some serious issues that need to be addressed and I think they have had the courage to address those issues.”

Cr Antonio said he had no idea of the details of the balance sheets for governments departments operating in Toowoomba.

“We must be very careful that we don’t switch the tap right off,” he said.

Mr Mullins said the impact on Toowoomba from the job cuts will be felt in the longer term.

He said public servants who lost their jobs drifted back to the coastline, like the large rural drift back to the cities in the late 1950s and early 1960s.

“In regional cities and towns, if state public servants lose their jobs, their skill sets are not transferable immediately to other work in the region and they tend to go back to the coast, taking their families with them,” he said.

Mr Mullens said planners in regional towns were very aware that public servants in regional towns played a “disproportionately high” role in the town’s social infrastructure.

“So that’s the P and C Associations, the emergency service volunteers, Rotary, you name it,” he said.

“If they exit the town, the impact is not only financial, it is social.”

Unintended consequences? or LNP dogma.

• Thomson is clearly dishonest.
• Gillard was drummed out of her job as a lawyer due to questions of competence and integrity.
• Slipper most likely rorts travel expenses.

…but the excitement is that Abbott was an annoying, unruly teenager!!

“This stinks of freshly laid bullshit”

That’s because it is. I was at Sydney Uni at the same time and Abbott was not liked at all by us Uni Socialists who contributed to the Uni newspaper Honi Soit.

There is no way if such an incident occurred it would have gone unnoticed.

Abbott was much disliked at the Student Representaive Council. He would have been politically neutered if the “Punch” actually occurred.

It’s crap