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Massive Poll Boost Puts Gillard in Election Winning Lead!

September 17, 2012

Honeymoon over for Tony Abbott

The Prime Minister has received a massive boost in the latest Newspoll and now leads Tony Abbott as preferred Prime Minister by 14 points. 

In the last fortnight Julia’s support increased from 39 per cent to 46 per cent, while Tony Abbott’s collapsed from 38 per cent to 32 per cent.

Labor’s primary vote also rose three points to 36 per cent while the Coalition shed five points to 41 per cent.

But the most significant result is the election-deciding two party preferred stakes, and according to Newspoll, the two parties are now on an equal 50/50 footing.

And the good new for Labor doesn’t stop there.  No it does not.

Julia Gillard’s standing as preferred leader of the Labor party has also inched ahead – gaining ground against alternative leader Kevin Rudd.  Julia has gained ground as preferred leader of Labor by 5 points while Kevin Rudd has lost 7 points.

The news is not so good for Tony Abbott, with alternative leader Malcolm Turnbull gaining ground against Mr Abbott.

The Coalition has immediately gone into damage control, sending Christopher Pyne out to face the media this morning who declared that the results were a consequence of Labor’s relentless negativity (irony alert) and what he called “personal denigration” of Mr Abbott in recent weeks.

“Unfortunately, with the Labor party, when they have their backs to the wall and they’ve tried everything else, they eventually turn to the chum bucket,” he said.

Oh how we laughed “chair thing”.

Mr Pyne insists that Tony Abbott “has more experience to be Prime Minister of Australia than anyone in living history.”

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731 Comments
  1. September 17, 2012 9:06 am

    For the first time Malcolm Turnbull is preferred as leader of the Opposition by Coalition voters…

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:15 am

    WOW!! What a great job Gillard has done.

    The last poll before she took over as leader had the ALP in front – 52-48.

  3. September 17, 2012 9:18 am

    Cabinet Minister Chris Evans says the carbon price ‘fear campaign run by Tony Abbott disappeared almost overnight’ hence more support.

  4. JAWS permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:27 am

    So what exactly did the Greens do to get a 50% increase in their vote from 8% to 12% in the space of 2 weeks

  5. September 17, 2012 9:29 am

    Supertrawler?

  6. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:30 am

    It’s a rogue (it had to be said) 🙂

    WOW!! What a great job Gillard has done.

    I AGREE!!

  7. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:34 am

    The watermelon coalition have finally woken up to themselves…its a popularity contest.

    The trawler thingy was a winner.

  8. JAWS permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:43 am

    I hope she calls an immediate election.

  9. September 17, 2012 9:49 am

    The funniest thing was watching Christopher Pyne having a right royal whinge on ABC Breakfast News that this was all because of Labor’s “negative” campaign against poor defenceless Tony Abbott. It was comedy gold!

    He looked like he was about to burst into tears at one point! 🙂

  10. Rogue Poll permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:08 am

    Is it a Dead Dad Bounce ?

  11. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:09 am

    yea reb, the hypocrisy of the ‘negative smears’ is astounding. shanana was ranting about it too. Talk about oblivious. The Kouk perhaps explains it best

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2227-the-real-reasons-behind-labors-poll-recovery

    Put simply, Money, wealth and jobs And CanDo, who has turned out to be the biggest Can’t of all, is only helping their case.

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:15 am

    Anyone who suggests that the bloke in a factory, who also does a few hours of cleaning in the evening to meet the bills, needs to pay more tax to keep some indolent and overpaid public servants in work is out of touch with reality.

    The bureaucracy is fantasy land for employment.

  13. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:36 am

    Geesh…Here I thought the American electorate was short sighted…Honestly, is the Australian public that daft? We call this bipolar in my arena….

  14. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:52 am

    The Kouk is full of shit. Just as the list of shit buckets down his right hand side. The reason for the poll bounce is….

    1. Her Dad died
    2. They stopped the big boat
    3. Tony Abbott beats up on women.

    1. will die in people’s memories. 2. will neutralise as an issue. 3. will eventually be proven to be utter bullshit and there will be a backlash.

    I refuse to believe it’s 50/50. Not after the Council election results we just saw in NSW. I reckon it’s more 47-48/53-52 at the moment.

    The only people who care about public service jobs are public servants.

  15. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:53 am

    ‘…is the Australian public that daft?’

    Its only a temporary bounce for Joan of Arc, having put the sword into the trawler.

  16. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 17, 2012 11:09 am

    We never see bounces like that here in the States…I mean, 10 points? If that went down here we would think “error” or sabotage…Sure, slides in a short amount of time but 10 point jumps? Seems rather odd?

  17. September 17, 2012 11:17 am

    1. People have caught a glimpse of the slash and burn LNP govts in QLD and VIc and they don’t like what they see.

    2. Offshore processing is now a reality. Problem solved.

    3. The carbon tax nightmare turned out to be a Coalition beatup

    4. The facade of Tony Abbott has been stripped back to expose the misogynistic nutter that lies beneath and people don’t like what they see.

  18. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 11:26 am

    ‘The carbon tax nightmare turned out to be a Coalition beatup’

    I maintain that she has screwed very small business, with winter power bills doubling or even tripling from this time last year.

    Probably good strategy by joolya, VSBs are irrelevant in terms of voting numbers…democracy sucks sometimes.

  19. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 11:44 am

    snacty said

    “AAAUUUGGHH!!”

    😆

    grodo said “blah”

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 1:12 pm

    Hear! Hear! sreb … noicely put old, mate!

    Noddy Newman, is really making an impact in Queensland (a negative one!)

    And Tony Abbott couldn’t speak for a whole week this time … it was only about thirty seconds last time … (the “shit happens” saga)

    He must have been told …

    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it”

  21. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 1:38 pm

    Maybe, this is just a thought, Abbott stayed out of the media because his opponent’s father had just died? If Abbott had been front and centre in the media you’d have been talking about what a bastard he was operating whilst Gillard was down.

  22. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 1:53 pm

    Maybe, this is just a thought, Abbott stayed out of the media because his opponent’s father had just died?

    But more probable (given his history on being unable to articulate a defense for his poor behaviour eg ‘Shit Happens’) he just didn’t know how to handle stories about him being violent. As witnessed by his reaction when finally facing the music at the end of the week.

    Also, if he cared that much, he probably wouldn’t have swapped his paired vote in parliament just for cheap political points.

  23. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 2:01 pm

    Offshore processing is now a reality. Problem solved.

    Sad but true. Although, perhaps a better term might have been ‘Perception solved’ 😉

    I find it hard to believe that Nauru can be part of an actual solution

  24. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:10 pm

    given his history on being unable to articulate a defense for his poor behaviour eg ‘Shit Happens’

    Sorry? What history? What poor behaviour? How was “Shit Happens” poor behaviour?

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:15 pm

    Sensible people will be after a parliament with the capacity to deliver in the public interest, as opposed to a parliament ruled by sectional interests. The next parliament has to be different to this one.

    • Plenty more MPs like Wilkie and Xenephon
    • None of the disgruntled former Nationals – we’ll be particularly grateful that Oakeshott will be out. Hopefully followed by Katter and Windsor.
    • No Greens

    With genuine sensible independents, no agenda pushing Greens, and no former nationals motivated by a get square attitude, parliament could actually be effective!!

  26. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:46 pm

    Sorry? What history?

    Thanks snacty 😉

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:49 pm

    Sorry? What history? What poor behaviour? How was “Shit Happens” poor behaviour?

    Just for the “believer” …

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:50 pm

    LOL!

  29. September 17, 2012 3:52 pm

    “3. Tony Abbott beats up on women.”

    Won’t be proven false, because it can’t be…& it’s already reinforced the ugly notions that everyone apart from Abbottrectalsunbeambaskers have of the seething dickhead.

  30. September 17, 2012 3:52 pm

    “What history?”

    Bernie Banton.

  31. September 17, 2012 3:53 pm

    Snacty…

    RUOK?

  32. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:54 pm

    I don’t think TB gives a fck about our armed forces.

  33. September 17, 2012 3:55 pm

    TomR, snacty thinks that that was the reaction of an honest man being picked on by the nasty media. The fact that he visibly choked down an urge to fly into a raging flurry of haymakers was writ large all over his previously smug face…well, that’s just inconsequential & will be quickly forgotten- by Abbottrectalsunbeambaskers. In fact, it appears they’ve already forgotten! 😯

  34. September 17, 2012 3:55 pm

    * popcorn!

  35. September 17, 2012 3:57 pm

    He’s already debunked the Bernie Banton line of assault previously too, reb!

    I think it is because ‘Abbott is sensitive & nice, he never tells fibs or behaves in a condescending, dismissive, patronising way to the terminally ill…EVER’. Or something like that, I forget. My brain struggles to follow elaborate revisions.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:58 pm

    A SPECIAL TDT REPORT FROM LALALAND

    Byline: Tom of Melbourne

    With genuine sensible independents, no agenda pushing Greens, and no former nationals motivated by a get square attitude, parliament could actually be effective!!

    It is rumoured that …

    Barnaby Joyce will be the Treasurer …

    Christopher Pyne Minister for Music …

    Julie Bishop the Minister of Stares …

    Bronwyn Bishop Special Minister for Beehives …

    Tony Abbott will become Special Liason Minister for Church Affairs (you don’t really think he’ll make it to PM – ever?) …

    Joe Hockey – Minister for Food and Currant (sic) Affairs …

  37. September 17, 2012 3:59 pm

    It was sure a gotcha…but just further highlighted Abbott’s withering under unscripted pressure & ‘temper issues’.

  38. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 3:59 pm

    I think it says plenty that TomR and TB interpret that video as poor rather than restrained behaviour. But anyway…..

  39. September 17, 2012 4:00 pm

    Snacty’s having a tanty….!

  40. September 17, 2012 4:01 pm

    “restrained behaviour”

    LOL!!

    He looked like he was going to EXPLODE!!!!!!!

    “restrained” my arse….

  41. September 17, 2012 4:02 pm

    Restrained behaviour! guffaw

    The urge to behave pugilistically isn’t the first impulse of calm, restrained people.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 4:03 pm

    I don’t think TB gives a fck about our armed forces.

    whooo … personal guessing attack … and we’re talking about Tony Abbott (look over there!) … pathetic …

    … not much chance of me running for PM, James …

  43. September 17, 2012 4:04 pm

    “I think it says plenty that TomR and TB interpret that video as poor rather than restrained behaviour. ”

    Did you watch the Laurie Oakes assessment at the end of Tom R’s version?

    I think it says plenty about your default position of having your head up Abbott’s arse that you can see no wrong in the things he says and does… 🙄

  44. September 17, 2012 4:06 pm

    whooo … personal guessing attack … and we’re talking about Tony Abbott (look over there!) … pathetic …

    I know. Even by sancty’s standards that was PATHETIC.

  45. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 4:12 pm

    300 games of football never once reported. But I’d have had trouble not belting that reporter for a fit up like that. And if his temptation WAS to belt the bloke and he didn’t, then by any definitiuon, he restrained himself.

    I’ll take Laurie Oakes’ assessment with a grain of salt where Abbott is concerned. Oakes hates him with a passion.

  46. September 17, 2012 4:14 pm

    Like I said…The urge to behave pugilistically isn’t the first impulse of calm, restrained people. 😉

  47. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 4:14 pm

    Pathetic, maybe, Reb. But I happen to know that TB does give quite a significant shit about our armed forces. I can imagine that TB in the same circumstances as Abbott might have been just a little pissed off. If he denies it, then he’s lying.

  48. September 17, 2012 4:15 pm

    😯 *gulp…

  49. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 4:21 pm

    Abbott never lost a fight in the ring… I also thought he was fairly restrained.

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 4:47 pm

    If he denies it, then he’s lying One thing I don’t do is lie … and I deny it.

    There is a bit of difference between me and Tony Abbott in the same circumstances … I was once part of the Green Machine … Tone’s wasn’t … “shit happens” is an oft used ADF term … but it’s not a term I would use about the death of a digger …

    Do you lie?

    I don’t think TB gives a fck about our armed forces.

    Followed by …

    But I happen to know that TB does give quite a significant shit about our armed forces

    Just the sort of thing Tony Abbott might say … I can understand why you “like” him …

  51. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 17, 2012 4:57 pm

    My first was deliberately provocative.

    TB you have been mightily pissed off on this forum many times when it comes to the armed forces. If you were accused on camera of adopting a shit happens attitude to the death of a soldier you WOULD be pissed off. Enough to belt someone? Maybe not. But Abbott didn’t belt the bloke either.

  52. September 17, 2012 5:04 pm

    Why do you find it necessary to defend Abbott’s conduct, snacty, is it because he’s a devout catholic that you feel some sense of allegiance?

  53. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 5:19 pm

    Of course, tabot could have avoided the entire episode simply by not saying ‘shit happens’ when discussing the death of a soldier, irrespective of the context. He could further have avoided it by simply explaining himself which, as I alluded to earlier, he appears to be incapable of doing.

    Imagine him attempting to explain his comments over here about Chinese foreign investment to the Chinese themselves. I’m sure snacty would be pleased that he just shakes with rage, rather than punching the Great Wall itself.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 5:20 pm

    See, James, I was in rock bands from the age of 16 and at country dances in particular, guess who were the targets of the local thugs (every town, willage and suburb has ’em) … I actually gained a reputation for talking us put of fights … I’ve told you about my old man … he used to box too, in the RN … nah, mate, fists ‘n’ fighting have never been my thing …

    I did snot a bloke once, for groping a lovely lady I was with … but who wouldn’t, hey?

  55. September 17, 2012 5:26 pm

    “Abbott never lost a fight in the ring”

    Only fought soft targets? How unsurprisement.

  56. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 5:54 pm

    ‘Only fought soft targets?’

    He wasn’t the greatest, but why isn’t someone talking about this? I blame hate media.

    ‘Beyond his involvement in student politics, biographer Michael Duffy, wrote that during his student days he once “saved a child who was swept out to sea. Another time, helped save children from a burning house next to a pub where he was drinking. On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked”.

  57. September 17, 2012 6:03 pm

    And lo, he turned 2 loaves of bread into a feast for the entire Eastern Seaboard, whence he walked on water across Bass Strait to help support Tasmania’s draconian anti-gay legal mire.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:04 pm

    On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked”.

    Two things, egg, maybe he “disappeared” ’cause it wasn’t him … and secondly I wish the dick WOULD disappear … right up his clacker! (Although it might be a bit full of “Abbottrectalsunbeambaskers” according to my esteemed colleague, Toillette)

  59. September 17, 2012 6:05 pm

    He has anger management issues.

    Only zealous Abbottrectalsunbeambaskers don’t see such a trait as an undesirable thing to have in an elected PM.

  60. September 17, 2012 6:08 pm

    They wait just at the entrance, TB, warming themselves in the beams of radiance & yearning for the 1950’s. Some who’ve been close enough claim to have heard mutterings emanating from there!

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:10 pm

    He has anger management issues.

    And don’t forget the barefaced lying (probably supported by Reconciliation – ie Kaflik Konfession)

    And a couple of other issues that negate him from representing the Australia on the World Stage …

  62. September 17, 2012 6:11 pm

    Abbott’s finished.

    He can’t recover from this…

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:12 pm

    Some who’ve been close enough claim to have heard mutterings emanating from there!

    Bullshit makes people fart, HD …

  64. September 17, 2012 6:13 pm

    “He has anger management issues.”

    But he has “people skills,” apparently, at least according to Tony anyways…

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:14 pm

    Abbott’s finished.

    He can’t recover from this…

    Thank Christ for that, sreb, that is really a relief … does he know?

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:18 pm

    Take another look at the photo at the top of the thread … folded arms, pursed lips, stony stare … what a sook, he really doesn’t want to be there!

  67. September 17, 2012 6:24 pm

    “does he know?”

    He’s missing in action.

    I suspect Tony thought he could just waltz into the Lodge by just ripping shreds out of Julia Gillard. It appears that the electorate have run out of patience waiting to see whether there was anything else he had to offer…

    Particularly when the carbon tax is pretty much a non-issue now, as is offshore processing and the mining tax…

    Unfortunately for Tony, he’s rapidly running out of things to whinge about…

  68. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:27 pm

    ‘Abbott’s finished.
    ‘He can’t recover from this…’

    Anyone but Talcum.

  69. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:30 pm

    I defend him, Reb, because I think the things said about him are bullshit.

    TB, I never said you’d be violent. I said you’d be pissed off.

  70. JAWS permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:33 pm

    It’ll be interesting to see if Mark Latham does his usual stint on Skynews tonight . He was at Sydney University from 1980 onwards doing his Bachelor of Economics. He was very heavily involved in campus politics (he used to try and recruit for Labor on Campus). Abbott was still there in 1980.

    If he says nothing about “the Punch” I think its safe to say it never happened as he’d certainly know about it even if it had happened 2 years before. As I said last week I was involved with the Leftwing Honi Soit back then and I never heard about it.

    Although there definitely were Liberal and Labor Goon Squads running around throwing cold cups of coffee in people’s faces, ripping down election posters, disrupting meetings, holding opposing rallies at the same time. Remember these were the times of abortion rights and land rights and demands for a return of free uni education etc etc etc

    All of that I do recall

  71. September 17, 2012 6:36 pm

    “I think the things said about him are bullshit.”

    Based on what? It seems that your “position” is consistently supportive of Abbott even when the evidence suggests he is culpable.

  72. JAWS permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:36 pm

    And I dont think David Patch ,who I’ve met in an unfair dismissal case (he acted for our side), and who is an ALP member nor an anonymous witness is much evidence.

    Especially when Patch never saw it take place.

  73. September 17, 2012 6:38 pm

    “If he says nothing about “the Punch” I think its safe to say it never happened ”

    Chuckle.

    If Latham says nothing about “the punch” it’s probably cos a bit of biffo isn’t out of character for Latham either.. LOL….

  74. JAWS permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:41 pm

    “……….even when the evidence suggests he is culpable.”

    What evidence ?

    There are no witnesses ( except David Patch ALP member who didn’t see it happen) and “Mr Anonymous” who is willing to sign a Stat Dec.

    Presumably he’ll then call himself “Mr Unnamed Source”

  75. JAWS permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:44 pm

    Besides conduct like that on campus would have put him in front of the Vice Chancellor at the time.

    But strangely enough there’s no record of that either……………………..

    I wonder why that would be ?

    Perhaps it didn’t happen.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:44 pm

    I said you’d be pissed off. about what?

    Mark Latham! LOL! Crude, rude and unattractive! He just proves that not all undergrads are intelligent or productive …

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:47 pm

    I wonder why that would be ?

    The Vice Chancellor was a Liberal … the Vice Chancellor was a Catholic … the Vice Chancellor knew Abbott’s father … the Vice Chancellor knew John Howard (OK the last was a Monty Python) …

    There are many reasons my devious accounting (not chartered!) friend …

  78. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 6:49 pm

    What evidence when? All I see is Abbott being accused of inciting race riots when he didn’t, telling women what to do with their bodies when he didn’t, not having policies when he has, and running from debate when he doesn’t. Never has a bloke in public life had so much bullshit manufactured about them. I’m wondering why others are so quick to believe stories about him when they so often turn out to be false.

  79. September 17, 2012 6:51 pm

    Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. Damage is done! It can be neither proven, nor disproven, beyond doubt.

    Anecdotal absolutions don’t matter to people who weren’t there.

    It all gels with preexisting public perceptions of Angry Abbott.

    Excellent!

  80. September 17, 2012 6:54 pm

    Haha, you’re a loyal optimist, snacty.

    Most of the rest of the country are not. He makes people uneasy for a reason.

    It’s because he’s a visibly brooding, moralising pile of disingenous sloganeering.

    Keep up the good fight. 😆

  81. September 17, 2012 7:03 pm

    “It can be neither proven, nor disproven, beyond doubt.”

    True. However prevailing wisdom tends to suggest that “victims” are unlikely to invent false allegations.

    Abbott has already confessed on national television that he’s a liar, so I know who I’m more inclined to believe, particularly when Abbott’s response to the allegations has changed from “I can’t remember” to a categorical “it didn’t happen.”

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:03 pm

    What evidence when?

    Now you’re getting it, James, just the questions some of us have been asking about the attacks on Julia Gillard … a greche moment I think …

    Mabe you should change your shoes now … that’s probably a bit too subtle for you but I’m sure, sreb or Toillette will explain …

  83. September 17, 2012 7:05 pm

    “It’s because he’s a visibly brooding, moralising pile of disingenous sloganeering.”

    Hear hear!

    He’s also self-righteous, sanctimonious, grandstanding, homophobic, misogynistic fkn cnut.

    Just sayin.

  84. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:06 pm

    Joolya’s jump in the polls and tabit;s decline in popularity is because of the stand they took on the super trawler and has nothing to do with Tony’s misspent youth.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:14 pm

    Joolya’s jump in the polls and tabit;s decline in popularity is because of the stand they took on the super trawler and has nothing to do with Tony’s misspent youth.

    Just to soften the blow, egg …

  86. September 17, 2012 7:16 pm

    How amusement…

    Julie Bishop and Christopher Pyne sent out to front the media and sing the praises of “the Tony Abbott I know..”

    “Tony Abbott spent Sunday leading a blind person to the end of a marathon” they said.

    Who? Himself….??

  87. September 17, 2012 7:23 pm

    another one for egg and snacty…

  88. September 17, 2012 7:25 pm

    I think the poll ‘anomaly’ is a combination of a few things, the least of which is public sympathy about the PM’s father’s recent death.

    Abbott’s descent is likely a direct correlation with light being cast upon his zealous past, wall punching or not, it isn’t a good look; it just reinforces misgivings. Funnily, Bolt & others here are striving for all manner of other excuses. Gotta look out for their boy.
    Abbott has never been widely popular with the electorate, less unpopular at best. Only the rusted-ons really want him for a PM.

    Plenty want to see the back of Gillard. That doesn’t mean that they’re throbbing for Angry Tones.

    Personally, I say good riddance to bad rubbish. I doubt that he’s dead in the water just yet though. There would be plenty of internal LibNat unrest & pressure first.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:25 pm

    The term “shallow” springs to mind … is that how the Liberals, (let’s face it the Nationals are no more effective than the Greens), view the Australian voting public … FMD! They are in for a real shock!

    Speaking of Greens where’s KL?

  90. September 17, 2012 7:26 pm

    If he’d led the blind person all the way to Pell he may have even been able to lobby for the blindness to be miraculously cured! 🙄

  91. September 17, 2012 7:28 pm

    The Carbon Tax mantra & frenzied doomsaying does seem to have been somewhat defused.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:28 pm

    Me? Turnbull as PM with Rudd as Foreign Minister .. what’s wrong with this stupid Westminster fkn System!

  93. September 17, 2012 7:28 pm

    And Jabba the Rinehutt has burnt most of any public sympathy against the mining tax.

  94. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:33 pm

    TB, the evidence against Gillard exists in affidavits, submitted legal documents, and her own statements. The evidence against Abbott is an opponent suddenly remembering an occurence 35 years ago which a Labor bloke remembers her telling him about but which neither thought worth telling anyone about even though everything, true or not, was reported about him in the uni paper every day. She reports it now to the famously independent journalist David Marr. And Robert Manne says it’s probably true.

    Forgive my skepticism.

  95. September 17, 2012 7:33 pm

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Blind marathon walker cured thanks to Tony Abbott!

    “I can see! I can see! Praise Tony I can see!!”

    *Authorised by the Liberal Party Canberra

  96. September 17, 2012 7:35 pm

    “Forgive my skepticism”

    No worries. Heck I’m also prepared to overlook your blind allegiance…

  97. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:36 pm

    He may well be gone, but he won’t be replaced with Turnbull. The Labor people might like Turnbull, but the Conservatives can’t stand him. He’s a spineless cnt.

  98. September 17, 2012 7:41 pm

    “The Labor people might like Turnbull, but the Conservatives can’t stand him. He’s a spineless cnt.”

    Today’s Newspoll results show that for the first time more Coalition voters want Turnbull to lead the Coalition rather than Abbott.

    Do try to keep up snacty. Your blind allegiance is showing… 😉

  99. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:42 pm

    Catholic to the core, Reb!! 😉

    I get the public nervousness about Abbott. He gives off a weird aura. And he’s not a likable bloke. But every time you dig, all you get is a bloke who’s done a hell of a lot of good, in a hell of a lot of ways.

    I don’t know him personally, but the hard evidence doesn’t match the persona the political operators seem so desperate to create.

  100. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:44 pm

    One reason to doubt the poll, Reb. To those who hold the Right responsible for the GFC, look directly at Turnbull. He’s a fraud.

  101. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:45 pm

    ‘The Carbon Tax mantra & frenzied doomsaying does seem to have been somewhat defused.’

    Indeed, but not forgotten.

    ‘According to the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal, the average bill for an Energy Australia customer in NSW has risen from $943 in 2008-09 to $1812 in 2012-13. A similar tale can be told around the country.’

  102. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2012 7:53 pm

    This thread is “interesting”. . .

    “Abbott’s a c**t.”

    “No he’s not!”

    “Yes he is. And he’s friends with that other c**t Pell.”

    “It’s all a character assassination, orchestrated by Labor, and aided and abetted by a compliant media.”

    “Hah! Abbott arselicker!”

    (and so on, ad infinitum) 😉

  103. September 17, 2012 7:59 pm

    What’s “interesting” is to see the shine getting knocked off of ‘small target’ Abbott. It was bound to happen eventually, he’s a polarising dickhead.
    By no means am I claiming that it’s terminal…but it would be great if it was.

    His guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.

  104. September 17, 2012 8:01 pm

    FYI, power bills here in SA were stupendously high waaaaay before the carbon tax.

  105. September 17, 2012 8:01 pm

    “the hard evidence doesn’t match the persona the political operators seem so desperate to create.”

    The “political operators?”

    I think the public are quite adept at forming fairly accurate assessments of politicians’ “qualities” irrespective of what the “political operators” would like us to believe…..

  106. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:03 pm

    “His guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.”

    Yes. Yes, it does.

  107. September 17, 2012 8:05 pm

    Goes both ways, obviously. A factoid overlooked by those who see Gillard as evil incarnate.

  108. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:11 pm

    an opponent suddenly remembering an occurence 35 years ago

    Over a decade of trying to get someone to listen to her is ‘suddenly’? 😯

    “His guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.”

    “Her guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.”

    All of those ‘affadavits’ against gillard that prooved ….. she didn’t open a file GUFFAW!

    I’m amazed that her boss didn’t try to punch the wall next to her head for that 😆

  109. September 17, 2012 8:22 pm

    Yes, that would have been incredibly restrained of her boss.

    I know I would’ve punched the wall next to her head, like most restrained people would want to.

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:23 pm

    To those who hold the Right responsible for the GFC, look directly at Turnbull. He’s a fraud.

    WTF! No-one holds the Right responsible … the GFC was caused by greedy banks and other lenders from Wall St … and continues to this day!

  111. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:28 pm

    I tend to think the aggro young student politician Abbott probably assaulted a building punched a wall terrorised an innocent shrinking violet, and I take on board JAWS’s contemporanious reminiscences of Sydney Uni for context.

  112. September 17, 2012 8:38 pm

    “WTF! No-one holds the Right responsible”

    I know TB.

    I think Snacty just makes outrageous statements like that to deflect attention away from his hero.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:46 pm

    I know I would’ve punched the wall next to her head, like most restrained people would want to.

    ‘Cause shit happens!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, Toillette, OT, when you hit Taswegia beware of the speeds signs they are so fkn stupid … 50k, 60k, 70k, 80k, 100k and 110k … and silly signs that say 50k in built up areas unless otherwise signed …

    I don’t know about other mainland states but if I travel through Australia’s second biggest state, Queensland, I know that a built up area is 50k (schools are 40k and signed) … and open road is 100k (occasionally 110k).

    Now the reason I mention this is that I was “sort of” booked driving down from Cradle Mt, I was doing (according to the unmarked Police car driver) 113k on a 100k road … fine $110 and 2 points .. the cop checked my drivers licence (took some time) … came back and handed me the ticket … The Minister asked if they gave pensioners a discount in Tasmania … the cop took the ticket and crossed it with two lines and wrote Cautionary …

    No fine or loss of points … I suspect 30 years without being booked might have helped … or a sense of humour!

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:51 pm

    … and I take on board JAWS’s contemporanious reminiscences of Sydney Uni for context

    ToSY … does that mean I can “take on board” that you are sounding like, James … a UK TV series called 7 UP will explain the statement … “show me the child and I will show you the man” …

    Its fascinating to watch the righwhingers on the backfoot calling for evidence and troof after readinga and listening to the the half truths and half wit statements about ALP “personalities” for the last two years …

    Much hilariousness …

  115. el gordo permalink
    September 17, 2012 8:52 pm

    Bad luck on the fine TB, hope it doesn’t dampen yer spirits.

  116. September 17, 2012 8:55 pm

    “Its fascinating to watch the righwhingers on the backfoot calling for evidence and troof”

    I KNOW! How’s the hilariousness….?

  117. September 17, 2012 8:55 pm

    Our speed limit in SA is 110kph, TB, which really means 120kph…so we do 130+kph on account of our larger-than-the-national-average agates.
    I sure won’t be slowing down for some two-headed policeperson!
    My youngster is 12 & a half, so we’ll probably get her to drive most of the way while we hang out the windows abusing inbreds & keeping a vigilant eye out for thylacines.

  118. September 17, 2012 8:57 pm

    “while we hang out the windows”

    exhaling reefer no doubt. 🙄

  119. September 17, 2012 8:59 pm

    * thanks for the headsup, TB. 😉 I’m not sure what the hire car is yet. I’m pretty careful, especially when on unfamiliar roads. Half a dozen of my mates are dead or in a wheelchair from car accidents. No need to be in a hurry on holidays anyway, I reckon.
    Also, I never argue with police. It’s a great way to have the book launched at your wallet, I reckon. 🙂

  120. September 17, 2012 9:01 pm

    No, reb. Mum is coming along too. I forgot to add an emoticon to my comment.

    I generally can’t roll tally-hos & I wouldn’t bother trying to bring a bit of ganja on a domestic flight. 😉

  121. September 17, 2012 9:02 pm

    I was just jesting boss…. 🙂 I’m sure you’ll be able to purchase any supplies in Cygnet anyway…. 😉

  122. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:03 pm

    “Its fascinating to watch the righwhingers on the backfoot”

    GUFFAW! 😯

  123. September 17, 2012 9:21 pm

    They’re never on the backfoot while they have their ready made counter rationalisations from BoltHQ their considered anecdotes life experiences!

  124. September 17, 2012 9:22 pm

    Cygnet, eh! 😉

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:30 pm

    No, reb. Mum is coming along too 😯

    I’m sure you’ll be able to purchase any supplies in Cygnet anyway….

    Just check under the floorboards of the, ex- sreb, dwelling! 🙄

    GUFFAW! There are none so blind … 😆

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:33 pm

    considered anecdotes life experiences

    Speaking of which…when I was about between about 17 and 20 I was locked up a few times for public drunkenness, lost my licence for over .05, and for being a hoon. Visited Queensland to deliberately get arrested for breaking their public assembly laws. I yelled obscenities at Fraser, along with a few hundred other students.
    The university had a competition to see who could steal the most interesting stuff, this involved lots of drinking too. I suspect plenty of young women would be entitled to complain about my behaviour towards them.
    Plenty of juvenile stuff and plenty of stuff that could have caused a criminal record.
    By the time I was in my early 30s I’d been a union official for years, and I never carried out any professional activity that I regretted or that I was embarrassed about.
    There’s a fair difference between the types of behaviours that seem reasonable at 19 and those that can be expected of a 30+ year old.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:39 pm

    There’s a fair difference between the types of behaviours that seem reasonable at 19 and those that can be expected of a 30+ year old.

    Only according to your standards …

    … at 21, I was married and a father (and I like to think responsible) … so you must be more qualified than me to be Leader of the Opposition or PM?

  128. September 17, 2012 9:45 pm

    No doubt, YomM.

    I’m not defending anything Gillard’s allegedly been involved in post 30.

    I think Abbott’s anger management/ lack of self control is manifest well past his teens though. Ya see, I take opinionistas of both the left & the right with a grain of salt. I’ve been around long enough to make my own judgements about demeanour, body language & facial expression; particularly barely checked anger seething beneath the surface. I’ve never liked the pillock & I’ve followed his progress & seen his on screen behaviour & statements about as much as anyone else here with more than a passing interest in domestic politics.
    The recent stuff against him gains traction because I’m not the only one whose rear neck hairs are raised by his mannerisms. True or not; it’s a cumulative thing. Angry people are ugly & unpleasant to be around, let alone to have running the whole fkn show.
    His anger smacks of arrogant self assuredness; his self assuredness, based upon many ideological positions he occupies, is misplaced & only shared by his fellow travellers.

    Who knows, he may become the most popular opposition leader ever in next weeks polls; but that would be bucking a reasonably strong past history of a majority not being able to find it within themselves to warm to him…despite any amount of ineptitude from the ALP.
    Imagine if the ALP/Gillard was actually popular! 😯 There’s no way he’d still be warming the Opposition chair.

    Just my 2cents.

  129. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 9:58 pm

    You didn’t seem to mind too much when Cool Hand Rudd was running the show.

  130. September 17, 2012 10:00 pm

    Me?

    Yeah, I just love a verbose religious queenslander. 🙄

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:02 pm

    True HD, but I’m sure you would agree that this site is just teeming with TROLLS!, so many here just disagree with others.

    That’s apparently the definition.

  132. September 17, 2012 10:03 pm

    My support was always behind getting the fuck rid of Howard, not electing Rudd. He was/is a spin merchant if ever there was one. He doesn’t come across to me or the general public as intimidatory though. Current polls still put him waaay ahead of Abbott.
    I’m not yearning for his return, or even an ALP resurgence.
    I’m just repulsed by the thought of Abbott going any further than he is now.

  133. September 17, 2012 10:04 pm

    Yes, YomM, I’m a troll of the first order.

  134. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:22 pm

    “There are many reasons my devious accounting (not chartered!) friend …”

    If I’m not chartered ( which I am) why the hell am I paying some bloody institute $815 per annum ?

    Or has Someone been trying to ID me again …….LOL

  135. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:46 pm

    Irving Wallach on Q&A has just repeated my fescription of what Sydney Uni politics was like in the late 70s as has Greg Sheridan.

    Wallach a Leftie also cannot recall “the Punch”

  136. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 17, 2012 10:51 pm

    On more important stuff…….

    …..Kate has lovely nipples

  137. September 18, 2012 7:52 am

    “There’s a fair difference between the types of behaviours that seem reasonable at 19 and those that can be expected of a 30+ year old.”

    Perhaps.

    However it speaks volumes, when as an adult you simply refuse to admit that those events in your miss spent youth actually occurred and attempt to blame others for some sort of ” character assasination” instead.

  138. September 18, 2012 7:53 am

    “His anger smacks of arrogant self assuredness; his self assuredness, based upon many ideological positions he occupies…”

    Hear bloody hear!!!

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:15 am

    If I’m not chartered ( which I am) why the hell am I paying some bloody institute $815 per annum ?

    Apologies … of course you’re chartered ( 🙄 ) silly me … what was it you chastised me over, a few months ago? Not a member of the Chartered Practising Accountants … or sumfing?

  140. September 18, 2012 8:48 am

    After Labor’s vote and the PM’s approval rose and Mr Abbott’s approval rating fell to a personal record low in The Age/Nielsen poll, while Newspoll had a 50-50 two-party vote, Essential Research has found Ms Gillard is viewed less negatively than in April, with a significant fall in perception of her as out of touch with ordinary people and ”superficial”.

    Mr Abbott is regarded as arrogant by 63 per cent (Gillard, 46 per cent); superficial by 51 per cent (46 per cent); narrow-minded by 59 per cent (46 per cent); intolerant by 53 per cent (37 per cent); aggressive by 59 per cent (42 per cent) and erratic by 51 per cent (43 per cent).

    but I guess “all of Australia” must be wrong. Tony’s just “misunderstood.”. 🙄

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-abbott-erratic-angry-and-arrogant-20120917-262nu.html#ixzz26lniIaYv

  141. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:54 am

    You are talking about CPA’s TB.

    That’s Certified Practicing Accountants (us CA’s regard them as lower than the lowest lawyer) if you are really interested/fascinated in the world of accounting which I’m sure you are………………………………….LOL

  142. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 9:23 am

    However it speaks volumes, when as an adult you simply refuse to admit that those events in your miss spent youth actually occurred and attempt to blame others for some sort of ” character assasination” instead.

    What if the events didn’t occur?

  143. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 9:33 am

    So far we have an anonymous witness ( or unnamed source) and ALP Member David Patch…………………….who didn’t actually see anything ………….and Irving Wallach (noted Leftie) who was scrutineering the vote on that night and since Uni has had considerable contact with the “victim” in relation to “mental health issues” (whatever he means by that ) but until a few days ago was completely unaware of “the Punch”.

    So despite Tony Abbott being in the public domain for God knows how many years now this allegation has only just emerged in an essay by David Marr…………………………….Oh yeah…………………….I’m convinced………………….LOL

    Wow………………some brief of evidence that is.

  144. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2012 10:17 am

    this allegation has only just emerged in an essay by David Marr

    Of course, that is no real reflection of just how pathetic our media is

    One of the chief attacks on Ramjan’s credibility this week was why had she failed to tell journalists the story before?

    It turns out she did. Ten years ago, she sat for more than hour in Sydney’s Bar Italia, Leichardt, with the journalist Andrew West. She remembers telling West the story and him not even writing it down. West concedes he was far more interested at the time in chasing up Pearson’s story of the mystery woman who had given birth to Abbott’s child.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/former-journalist-tony-abbott-is-adept-at-laundering-bad-news-says-samantha-maiden/story-e6frea83-1226474837703

    Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since.

    Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz26mASTnpo

  145. September 18, 2012 10:42 am

    Even Funnier? Bishop and Pyne parroting one another on what a fine upstanding figure of humanity Phoney Tony is. Could we call them the ‘Duo of Damage Control’ or the ‘Duplicitious Dudders’?

  146. September 18, 2012 10:48 am

    “What if the events didn’t occur?”

    What if they did?

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 18, 2012 10:50 am

    Not long ago the ALP sent an internal memo to start digging dirt on on Abbott and the opposition. Conveniently a dubious slander is dredged up and then retailed by ALP arse-lickers in the media. The same ones who paid scant regard to a very real scandal, using it as an occasion to feast on her dangleberries while their obsequious tongues slither higher in search of more exotic fruit.

    This is nothing more than the politics of vitriol and hatred. Abbott probably deserves some stick, but this over-the-top hysterical demonisation of him is sickeningly typical of the way the left has debased politics in this country.

  148. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 10:57 am

    If they did, Reb, far from being sacked as Opposition Leader, he should be charged with assault. Because that is what it is/was. And that’s how we know it never happened. Because there is no way his political opponents would have let such a gift pass them by.

  149. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 11:04 am

    Oh Goodie TomR …………..so Andrew West (from Fairfax) thought so much of it 10 years ago when Abbott was a Minister he didn’t even bother writing it down. Or so your article says. Perhaps its now been embellished a bit more to make it more interesting

    It would be good to hear directly from West though don’t you think.

    And then you link to David Patch (who never saw it happen) who does a jurist retrospective comparing the Punch to an assault or sexual assault. All this time and he never pressured the”victim” to come forward.

    And the links also manage to drag up a long dismissed sexual assault allegation.

    Well done.

    Perhaps you’d like to link to some actual evidence……………………….one of these days

    And perhaps you could explain why Irving Wallach who was with Patch on the night had never heard the allegation as per Q&A last night.

    Or don’t Lefties talk to each other.

  150. Eat more fibre permalink
    September 18, 2012 11:06 am

    “to feast on her dangleberries while their obsequious tongues slither higher in search of more exotic fruit”

    😯

  151. September 18, 2012 11:14 am

    “that’s how we know it never happened”

    I saw what you did just there…..

    Chuckle… 🙂

  152. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 11:16 am

    “Because there is no way his political opponents would have let such a gift pass them by.”

    That is EXACTLY correct Sancty. The campus politics at Sydney Uni was very robust with lots of yelling and shouting going on all the time. They were very turbulent times being in the immediate aftermath of the Whitlam Dismissal.

    For “the Punch” not to be used against him at the time just beggars belief. Especially when he continued to run for President of the SRC after it was alleged to have occurred.

  153. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 11:39 am

    Of course “the Punch” could be a contemporary example of the usual ALP practice of……………….”Whatever it Takes”

  154. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 12:36 pm

    Talcum is ‘twice as popular as Mr Abbott as preferred Liberal leader, there is no leadership stirring’ and ‘Rudd backers now accept caucus is rusted on to Ms Gillard for the foreseeable future.’

    SMH

    Guess we are stuck with them….

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 12:53 pm

    “to feast on her dangleberries while their obsequious tongues slither higher in search of more exotic fruit”

    😯

    yeah, me too, ToSY! 🙄

    I’ll have what, splatterbum’s, having on … on second thoughts, soda water, please …

    If they did, Reb, far from being sacked as Opposition Leader, he should be charged with assault And still could be charged … for all we know … my understanding is that criminal assault (if proven) has no statute of limitations in any Commonwealth state or territory … including NSW …

    However, I see no legal machinations from, Tony Abbott, to sue, David Marr, or his publishers for defamation … for if it were untrue, the Opposition Leader AND the Liberal Party would have a case … and while David Marr may be a a bit of a prawn at times … he’s no dummy … I’m sure there would have been a bit of “legal research” before going into print …

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2012 1:15 pm

    Few people like Abbott, in my experience. He really doesn’t inspire affection or respect.

    But the most entertaining aspect of this story is the rank hypocrisy of barrackers.

    While Thomson ‘had no case to answer’ and Gillard was ‘young & naive’ at middle age, the barrackers salivate about allegations involving a 19 year old student.

    It’s hilarious!

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 1:20 pm

    Well, Abbott could sue for defamation, but he won’t because it’s true. This goes to the nature and character of the man [as you happily argued against julia gillard]. I tend to agree with andrew elder that Abbott was just brought up badly. Abbott’s father came here to avoid conscription all those years ago [reminder to self, must check the timeline of abbott studying in UK and vietnam war]. Later, dad brought his family over here for good. Abbott was totally and completely fawned upon and indulged as a child and he has never taken responsibility for his own actions. He actually does live and breathe the elitist, hereditary, ‘born to rule” mentality with his family spruiking that he would be PM from a young age. Everything he has done has been self serving promotion and devious plotting for his own ambition and personal goal.

    There have been two court cases that I have read about, the sexual assault one [deliberately done to demean and belittle the woman in public] and another for physical assault where punched someone in the head [again]. On both occasions when the matter went to court his father financed him to the hilt against the poorer students. Abbott arrives to court with a legal entourage of an SC and another 5 or so lawyers and numerous “witnesses” to financially and legally bully and intimidate the cases out of court.

    So we’ve got two court cases and about another three punch up stories and we also have Abbott’s continued and ongoing sexism and misogyny throughout his career and particularly since becoming OL – that’s been well documented over the years. Now, you could think it was a political strategy, but it would appear [as with many aussie men] the sexism and misogyny is a core character component of the man. He was aggressive with his homophobia and sexism in the 70’s and he is still doing the same today.

    Calling the student president “chairthing” for an entire year!

    chris murphy is saying on twitter that he first brought all this stuff up ages ago.

    Why did student activist now minister Tony Abbott punch Peter Woof?
    http://www.sydneyalternativemedia.com/blog/index.blog/1616987/why-did-student-activist-now-minister-tony-abbott-punch-peter-woof/

    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/tony-abbott-charged-with-indecent-assault-he-must-step-down/

    “…In his past, Tony Abbott was charged with indecent assault after groping a female activist on the upper part of her leg, and between her legs, while she was on stage in front of an audience of over 200 people debating student unions…”

    “…What reason did Abbott give for this shockingly indecent assault on a woman in public? She spoke of him, as Tony Abbott says in a highly critical way, calling me… right wing. So someone speaks badly of Tony Abbott and he thinks a justified response is public indecent assault?…”

    Then there are the other assaults:

    lindsay foyle – the one that bestie greg sheridan can’t remember intervening in cos the tony he knows is not that kinda guy.

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/09/13/abbott039s-punchline-returns

    barbara ramjan – the anonymous witness is happy to sign his name to a stat dec just doesn’t want it splashed about in the press – he saw the fists flying and an extremely upset ramjan, he actually thought that abbott had punched her in the face!

    joe hockey – knocked him out cold.

    Who knows how many more “didn’t happens” are to come!

    Sounds like a bully and a coward to me, happy to do the deeds but refusing to take responsibility for any of them, not much has changed over the years has it? he still tells bare faced lies and denies all whenever confronted with his “indiscretions” – yes, what a charming man!

    No wonder he flagellates himself with self imposed sporting rituals and volunteer work, all that pent up hostility, anger, aggression and religious nutjobbery, he has finally found a publicly acceptable [and publicly funded] outlet for it.

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 1:36 pm

    Well, Abbott could sue for defamation, but he won’t because it’s true. This goes to the nature and character of the man [as you happily argued against julia gillard]. I tend to agree with andrew elder that Abbott was just brought up badly. Abbott’s father came here to avoid conscription all those years ago [reminder to self, must check the timeline of abbott studying in UK and vietnam war]. Later, dad brought his family over here for good. Abbott was totally and completely fawned upon and indulged as a child and he has never taken responsibility for his own actions. He actually does live and breathe the elitist, hereditary, ‘born to rule” mentality with his family spruiking that he would be PM from a young age. Everything he has done has been self serving promotion and devious plotting for his own ambition and personal goal.

    There have been two court cases that I have read about, the sexual assault one [deliberately done to demean and belittle the woman in public] and another for physical assault where punched someone in the head [again]. On both occasions when the matter went to court his father financed him to the hilt against the poorer students. Abbott arrives to court with a legal entourage of an SC and another 5 or so lawyers and numerous “witnesses” to financially and legally bully and intimidate the cases out of court.

    So we’ve got two court cases and about another three punch up stories and we also have Abbott’s continued and ongoing sexism and misogyny throughout his career and particularly since becoming OL – that’s been well documented over the years. Now, you could think it was a political strategy, but it would appear [as with many aussie men] the sexism and misogyny is a core character component of the man. He was aggressive with his homophobia and sexism in the 70’s and he is still doing the same today.

    Calling the student president “chairthing” for an entire year!

    chris murphy is saying on twitter that he first brought all this stuff up ages ago.

    Why did student activist now minister Tony Abbott punch Peter Woof?
    http://www.sydneyalternativemedia.com/blog/index.blog/1616987/why-did-student-activist-now-minister-tony-abbott-punch-peter-woof/

    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/tony-abbott-charged-with-indecent-assault-he-must-step-down/

    “…In his past, Tony Abbott was charged with indecent assault after groping a female activist on the upper part of her leg, and between her legs, while she was on stage in front of an audience of over 200 people debating student unions…”

    “…What reason did Abbott give for this shockingly indecent assault on a woman in public? She spoke of him, as Tony Abbott says in a highly critical way, calling me… right wing. So someone speaks badly of Tony Abbott and he thinks a justified response is public indecent assault?…”

    Then there are the other assaults:

    lindsay foyle – the one that bestie greg sheridan can’t remember intervening in cos the tony he knows is not that kinda guy.

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/09/13/abbott039s-punchline-returns

    barbara ramjan – the anonymous witness is happy to sign his name to a stat dec just doesn’t want it splashed about in the press – he saw the fists flying and an extremely upset ramjan, he actually thought that abbott had punched her in the face!

    joe hockey – knocked him out cold.

    Who knows how many more “didn’t happens” are to come!

    Sounds like a bully and a coward to me, happy to do the deeds but refusing to take responsibility for any of them, not much has changed over the years has it? he still tells bare faced lies and denies all whenever confronted with his “indiscretions” – yes, what a charming man!

    No wonder he flagellates himself with self imposed sporting rituals and volunteer work, all that pent up hostility, anger, aggression and religious nutjobbery, he has finally found a publicly acceptable [and publicly funded] outlet for it.

    I have no respect for the man, he’s a lying thug with outdated and sexist beliefs about women who wants to use the power and influence of office to ram his crappy religious beliefs upon the general population.

    He’s not the only one though, there is a brotherhood of shadowy religious ideologues on both sides of politics who think they should impose their religious worldview on all others.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/missions-and-omissions-of-political.html

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 1:48 pm

    While Thomson ‘had no case to answer’ and Gillard was ‘young & naive’ at middle age, the barrackers salivate about allegations involving a 19 year old student.
    It’s hilarious!

    What’s hilarious is your take on it, the way you can turn it all around to always make a “but hey, look at gillard” attack! Anything gillard is justified, fair game and she should cop it sweet, but lay off tony and the cons or we’ll all go hysterical with manly outrage.

  160. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 1:55 pm

    So none of these assaults ( “the Punch” and the Peter Woof allegation) are reported to Police.

    How convenient

    And why did the Woof allegation become a civil suit not a criminal assault case ?

    And its so good of you to dredge up a long dismissed sexual assault allegation Kitty.

    Do keep trying……………………..maybe one day you’ll hit pay dirt

  161. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 1:58 pm

    Thought Kittylitter had been quiet. Turns out she was writing an essay.

    Interesting that Mr Patch never saw fit to call the police. I would have in the claimed circumstances.

    Oh and if I was falsely accused of sexual assault, I’d be lining up the lawyers too.

    You can’t claim a pattern of behaviour if each of the akkeged instances of wrongdoing turn out to be false. The only pattern is a desperate will of the Left to destroy a man’s character. Look at Kittylitter above. “Must check whether he went to England to avoid conscription.” Fck me, he went on a scholarship. And I’ll save you the trouble. The Vietnam war was long over.

    Abbott’s father was 16 when he emigrated to Australia. I doubt that he was in line for conscription.

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:00 pm

    I thought gillard’s ‘past history’ was boring and irrelevant and so is abbott’s but by fuelling it and keeping it going, abbott left himself open to the same…and he is vulnerable in that area. He must have thought he was quite safe and protected, so invincible within and without, looked after by the old besties that are now high ups in media and in politics.

  163. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:01 pm

    Gillard’s history is entirely relevant because she continues to shield those engaged in similar practices now.

  164. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:13 pm

    ‘abbott left himself open to the same…and he is vulnerable in that area.’

    Doubt it.

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:13 pm

    Thought Kittylitter had been quiet. Turns out she was writing an essay.

    No, just ad libbing actually. I had decided I had outgrown the place and thought the constant hard right aggression, sexism and outright drivel to be unworthy of me.

    Interesting that Mr Patch never saw fit to call the police. I would have in the claimed circumstances.

    That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just because he didn’t do what you would!

    You can’t claim a pattern of behaviour if each of the akkeged instances of wrongdoing turn out to be false.

    But they are not, that’s his problem and why he had to hide for a week with his babysitters to come up with…something..and the best they could do was deny and send in the troops [sheridan, pyne and bishop] to defend. Why won’t he defend himself?

    Having the money to legally and financially bully your accusers doesn’t make their claims false, it just means the case gets dropped.

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:16 pm

    ‘abbott left himself open to the same…and he is vulnerable in that area.’
    Doubt it.

    FFS, what a jerk, so small a contribution showing such small minded stupidity and he thinks he’s some kind of wonderful on this blog.

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:17 pm

    Gillard’s history is entirely relevant because she continues to shield those engaged in similar practices now.

    haha

    see ya, can’t be bothered!

  168. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 2:18 pm

    Abbott defended himself. He said “It didn’t happen”. What more can he say if, indeed it didn’t happen?

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:05 pm

    Abbott’s father was 16 when he emigrated to Australia. I doubt that he was in line for conscription.

    He came here for a time, then he went back home and returned again with family in 1960.

    War was declared on Sunday 3rd September, 1939 and abbott’s father came to australia to ‘escape the dangers of war’ in 1940. What could be more dangerous than being conscripted in a few years?

    He pissed his pants all the way and apparently promised to convert to catholicism if he made it safely to australia [marr’s essay – except for the pissing of pants, that’s my work].

    When did dick abbott return to the UK? Where did he study, here or the UK?

    Biographer Michael Duffy says Abbott’s father Dick, a dentist, “set out quite deliberately to make his son a fighter and a leader”, telling Abbott “he was superior to most of those around him”. Born in London in 1957, where his father was doing post-graduate training, Abbott was three when the family returned to Australia.

    http://www.bizreview.com.au/p/lifestyle/afrmagazine/tony_abbott_higher_calling_aNGk1uJKD26R4KQ6TWkbJJ

    He said “It didn’t happen”. What more can he say if, indeed it didn’t happen?

    Oh, he could face questions for an hour or so on what ‘didn’t happen’. He could say his accusers are lying [where he would be open for defamation], he’s pretty good with flinging ‘liar’ upon gillard, he could face his accusers and tell them they are lying.

    Then he could go to confession and all would be forgiven, in the good ole catholic way, where no-one ever has to atone or be held accountable to the victims of their wrongdoing!

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:07 pm

    So none of these assaults ( “the Punch” and the Peter Woof allegation) are reported to Police.

    How convenient

    Yeah … I thought that too … 😉

  171. September 18, 2012 3:12 pm

    “Oh, he could face questions for an hour or so on what ‘didn’t happen’. He could say his accusers are lying [where he would be open for defamation], he’s pretty good with flinging ‘liar’ upon gillard, he could face his accusers and tell them they are lying.”

    Exactly! Abbott’s “it didn’t happen” is just like the old rodent’s catchcry “i reject that.”

    Not quite gutsy enough to accuse his accusers of lying, but trying to difuse the situation and blame “the other side” for his own problems all the same.

    What is it with snacty and Tony Abbott??

  172. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:32 pm

    So, Kittylitter, why then did he enlist in the RAAF when he got here and was old enough? How odd?

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:32 pm

    What is it with snacty and Tony Abbott??

    Both 1950’s men, similar personalities and DLP nutjobbery in common, still fighting the same old cultural wars?

    Maybe he sees a lot something of himself in abbott.

  174. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:37 pm

    What’s nutjobbery about the DLP? (I’m not, nor ever have been, a DLP member by the way).

  175. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:37 pm

    By the way, I’m not a 1950s man either 😯

  176. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 3:56 pm

    “…………….he’s pretty good with flinging ‘liar’ upon gillard,”

    Ya don’t need to be even good at something like that when she’s a compulsive liar.

    She presents a very large target indeed

  177. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:01 pm

    She lies through her a………

    Oh I’d better not……

  178. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:04 pm

    What makes me laugh is that all these alleged fights and assaults occurred between Law students…………………..yet not one of these Law students……………..not a single one of them…………not one of them………………….reported anything………………………not anything to the Police or even to the Vice Chancellor at the time.

    Nor did any of this make it into the Leftist Campus Student newspaper Honi Soit. Not even a whisper of even just the vaguest allegation back then made it into Honi Soit.

    Make no mistake about it. Abbott was Enemy Numero Uno to Honi Soit. They would not have missed such a golden opportunity.

    But they printed Nothing…………….Zip……………..Zero………………….Nought.

  179. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:07 pm

    Yes, Jaws. S316 NSW Crimes Act requires legal practitioners to report serious indictable offences. Whilst common assault is not a serious indictable offence (as defined), you’d think one of these budding lawyers might have seen fit to alert the police to this dangerous unstable character…..you know, for the safety of all.

  180. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:09 pm

    Compulsive lying is a union thing, joolya and Craig have a lot in common.

  181. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:14 pm

    Jaws is a credible witness.

    The leftists are making shit up on tabit to deflect attention from their heroine…it will fail because the electorate is not stupid.

  182. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:18 pm

    “…..you know, for the safety of all.”

    Apparently there were instances of cold coffee being thrown at opponents as they walked through various faculty coffee shops on campus.

    Even I saw that.

    In fact I recall back then that Latham copped a full foam cup on the snout. I didn’t see it though……………… So therefore it must be true

    Us Lefties were outraged……………..LOL

  183. September 18, 2012 4:18 pm

    “Jaws is a credible witness.”

    Christ. Is that all you guys have got left, the three stooges backing each other up…. 🙄

  184. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:19 pm

    Yes I was there at the time El Gordo

  185. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:23 pm

    Make no mistake. I’ll never forgive Abbott and his crowd for closing down the Economic faculty’s local pub one hot Thursday afternoon for one on his anti abortion rallies which marched down City Road from Newtown to Broadway.

    Very inconvenient.

    In fact it was an outrage

  186. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:27 pm

    I’m just still fascinated as to why a bloke would sail all the way across the world to avoid conscription, then up and join the RAAF?? That’s just weird.

    And fkn inconvenient for those who like to make up and repeat lies about people without properly checking their history.

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:28 pm

    Ya don’t need to be even good at something like that when she’s a compulsive liar.

    How ridiculous, I could say the same about abbott with all his twists, turns, backflips, weathervaning and walkouts – it is politics, both sides lie, even yours, something your hatred for gillard leads you to completely ignore.

    (I’m not, nor ever have been, a DLP member by the way).

    I didn’t say you were a member did I, what about the DLP/NCC ideology?

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/father-of-the-year-how-abbotts-abortion-stance-rendered-ridicule-20120910-25o0g.html?skin=text-only

    …But Pyne is (unwittingly) right to point to the student newspapers for insight into Abbott’s character and behaviour.

    Trawling through Honi Soit of the 1970s while researching a forthcoming book on Abbott’s sexual politics made for harrowing reading. The student politics of the day were polarised and aggressive on both sides, but there is no denying Abbott was a particularly pugnacious player…

    …Abbott must know what Turnbull knows, that most Australians are sick of the constant negativity, harping and obstruction of the government factors in his relentless poor personal polling. And no matter how many women-friendly maternity policies he pulls out of his bag of tricks, women still fear Abbott on abortion…

    And that is the one thing abbott would love to do, deny women their right to control their own bodies.

  188. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:38 pm

    I doubt, Kittylitter, that you have the faintest idea what the DLP/NCC idealogy is or was. I imagine you see the word Catholic associated with it and it is therefore all bad. I have never been a member of the NCC either, for what it’s worth, although I live not far from where it used to operate from.

  189. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:46 pm

    Now…..as to Abbott’s father……repeat after me….

    “I was wrong”. Come on now, it doesn’t hurt.

  190. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 4:47 pm

    “Trawling through Honi Soit of the 1970s while researching a forthcoming book on Abbott’s sexual politics made for harrowing reading. The student politics of the day were polarised and aggressive on both sides, but there is no denying Abbott was a particularly pugnacious player…”

    Thanks for the Link Kitty.

    It bears out what I’ve been saying all along

    But apparently he was not that pugnacious to be mentioned for throwing punches at women.

  191. JAWS permalink
    September 18, 2012 5:42 pm

    Oh…………… by the way Kitty you left this part out of your last cut and paste which I’m sure was just an innocent oversight on your part……………….LOL

    “…..At the University of Sydney Abbott studied law and economics, and engaged with more enthusiasm with the left-wingers who dominated student politics, being beaten up at one conference and eventually becoming the president of the Student Representative Council……”

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:08 pm

    Yes, Jaws. S316 NSW Crimes Act requires legal practitioners to report serious indictable offences.

    But, but, students aren’t legal practitioners, Your Honour … 🙄

    … being beaten up at one conference … Mmmm … didn’t walk away then? Not a good communicator even then, it seems … I guess if you discuss things with your fists, eventually you’ll meet someone who’ll put you down …

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:10 pm

    … being beaten up at one conference …

    BTW, did Abbott report it to the police? Thought not …

  194. public toilet permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:10 pm

    I utterly reject that “compulsive lying is a union thing”. What crap. I am a union member. It’s no more an affliction of union members than any other group of humanity.

    I enjoy watching the Abbottards in tactical defense mode.

    Damage is done. He only compounds it with each successive public comment.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:20 pm

    I utterly reject that “compulsive lying is a union thing”. What crap. I am a union member. It’s no more an affliction of union members than any other group of humanity.

    Hear! Hear!

    John Howard wasn’t a member of the union, nor was Abbott, Hockey, Andrews, Downer, Reith … on and on …

    Just to name a few proven liars …

    What a fkn stupid, illogical, statement, egg …

  196. September 18, 2012 6:22 pm

    “What crap”.

    I know. But egg is unhinged….

    (you need to make allowances for the intellectually challenged occasionally).

  197. September 18, 2012 6:24 pm

    “What a fkn stupid, illogical, statement, egg …”

    Egg has form in that respect. I’m not sure whether it’s an attention seeking excercise, or genuine stupidity. Perhaps it’s both..

  198. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:26 pm

    ‘(you need to make allowances for the intellectually challenged occasionally).’

    You’re too kind.

    Admittedly it was a ‘fkn stupid, illogical, statement’.

  199. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:29 pm

    ‘Perhaps it’s both.’

    It’s a worry.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:30 pm

    Admittedly it was a ‘fkn stupid, illogical, statement’.

    and i’m not sure whether that’s a retraction or appeasement … fence walker extraordinaire …

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:41 pm

    There’s a fair difference between the types of behaviours that seem reasonable at 19 and those that can be expected of a 30+ year old.

    Age does not = maturity [just look at jaws], each arrives at their own individual pace, some people never become mature adults.

    Oh…………… by the way Kitty you left this part out of your last cut and paste which I’m sure was just an innocent oversight on your part……………….LOL

    No, I only put in the bits I want to put in, I assume that you can read for yourself, oh good on you, you managed to!

    I’m just still fascinated as to why a bloke would sail all the way across the world to avoid conscription, then up and join the RAAF?? That’s just weird.

    I think you’ll find he got knocked back, he can’t have joined the raaf if he didn’t get into it can he? Do tell, what was his rank and his regiment? I suppose if you know you’re going to get knocked back, you can tell others that you tried.

    And since you are so smug, you might want to tell us when he applied and when he was accepted, was it before or after wartime?

    I doubt, Kittylitter, that you have the faintest idea what the DLP/NCC idealogy is or was. I imagine you see the word Catholic associated with it and it is therefore all bad.

    I doubt you have the faintest idea what my ideas are.
    But you’re right in that it is bad, pretty much a religious & fascist type of organisation.

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:53 pm

    …chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    Defamation silk tells me denying MsRamjan told truth is actionable.Will you say @JoeHockey this woman of high repute is a liar? #auspol

    chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    Abbott on the nose.’A bloke’s bloke’? Not around here he ain’t.Just mug who picked his marks when violent #auspol http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-abbott-erratic-angry-and-arrogant-20120917-262nu.html

    chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    Witness swears,Herald publishes,he saw Abbott throw punches.Defamation so big could end his PM shot? He will not sue.He did it. #auspol

    9 Sep chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    Pyne says wall punch didn’t happen? I say did. Wish loudmouth would get Abbott to sue me&fight it out in Court.Truth will out #auspol

    chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    Leftie?No,Aussie. As Abbott’s UK father prayed for safety fleeing WW2 my LAB father & his 5 brothers went & fought it for him. #auspol

  203. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 6:55 pm

    ‘I’m not sure whether that’s a retraction or appeasement…’

    retraction…i tarred the rank and file…obviously they can’t all be pathological liars.

  204. September 18, 2012 6:58 pm

    Exactly Kittylitter!

    If Yabbott is of the view that his “character has been assassinated” as claimed by his loyal messengers Pyne and Bishop then why doesn’t he sue Marr for defamation…..?

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:02 pm

    Age does not = maturity

    How can anyone take Gilard seriously when her explanation for a range of examples of her atrocious judgment was that she was “young & naïve”.

    She was 30 something FFS. A professional woman.

    But this is typical of her “but I’m a girl” explanation. It’s also just another lie.

    I don’t like Abbott, but I do know that my activities and interests at 19 were entirely different to the ones I pursued a decade later… and my attitudes now haven’t particularly changed (to when I was 32).

    I think that would be true of most people.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:02 pm

    Well said, egg … they can’t all be pathological liars. No more than members of the Opposition, business uinions, Chambers of Commerce or even Judges of the Crown (shudder)

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:09 pm

    But this is typical of her “but I’m a girl” explanation. It’s also just another lie.

    Your rantings really are becoming boring, ToM, you really must develop some original material of your own …

    I don’t like Abbott LOL! Yeah, I’ve noticed … 🙄

    I was a union stooge LOL! Your bitterness goes well beyond the norm, ToM, was it unrequited love or somefink? 😉

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:11 pm

    I think that would be true of most people.

    I’ve got some really disappointing news for you, ToM … I’ll email it to you if you like (just keep it between ourselves … know wot oi mean … nudge, nudge …)

  209. Tony permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:14 pm

    Looks like the conversation’s much the same as it was last night:

    “Abbott’s a liar and a bully.”

    “No, he isn’t.”

    “He is too.”

    “Prove it.”

    “Chris Murphy says he punched someone at uni.”

    “I see. That’s your evidence?”

    (And so on, ad nauseum.) 😉

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:21 pm

    After seeing Q&A and abbott on the brekkie with karl TV show, lindsay foyle today clarifies his claim and says the oz didn’t print his letter in reply to sheridan. The shitbags sheridan, pyne & abbott have tried to make out he is lying without actually saying so].

    Getting The Facts Straight On Abbott:
    http://newmatilda.com/2012/09/18/getting-facts-straight-abbott

    So it all comes down to who you believe and who you don’t. But if I were making all of this up, why would I go to so much detail about the events and why would I put most of it in writing almost 12 years ago?

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:26 pm

    I don’t like Abbott, but I do know that my activities and interests at 19 were entirely different to the ones I pursued a decade later… and my attitudes now haven’t particularly changed (to when I was 32).

    But then you’re a man and she’s a woman. You both come from different home environments and have different life experiences. Why do you judge her on your behaviour and experiences and why on your male gender? Have you ever heard that people are different?

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:28 pm

    Looks like the conversation’s much the same as it was last night:

    Is that a learned, “look over there”, TOSY? I don’t recall you complaining when the shoe was on the other foot?

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:29 pm

    I don’t recall you complaining

    BTW, I do agree, but then … they started it! (LOL!)

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:31 pm

    Why do you judge her on your behaviour and experiences and why on your male gender? Have you ever heard that people are different?

    Hear! Hear! KL!

    I have a “pigeon pair” … an education in itself …

    How many children do you have, ToM?

  215. Tony permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:34 pm

    “Is that a learned, “look over there”, TOSY?”

    Haha. No, it just feels like Groundhog Day around here. You people. 🙂

  216. Tony permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:36 pm

    Don’t forget to ask ToM what he does, TB.

    Just kidding. 😉

  217. September 18, 2012 7:44 pm

    “And so on, ad nauseum.”

    I know how feel…

    To be honest I feel like walking away from this place after what I’ve read from the Abbott lovers…

    It’s a conundrum.

    Now I know why Minglo chose to ban anyone who disagrees with them. It’s actually better for one’s mental health than to have to day in and day out respond to the same old bullshit from the likes of sancty who thinks the sun shines out of Abbott’s arse and that he can do no wrong.

    How did sancty form such an high opinion of someone who to everyone else ( or at least rational thinking people) is just a rightwing catholic arsehole?

    It’s beyond me honestly…..

    And then we’ve got egg.

    Hiw did I end up with “you lot” …..

  218. September 18, 2012 7:45 pm

    Don’t forget to ask ToSY what he does snacty…..

    🙄

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:45 pm

    Stupider and stupider … and it gets a mention on news.com.au … FMD!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/northern-territory-mp-natasha-griggs-accuses-treasurer-wayne-swan-of-bullying/story-fncynjr2-1226476729612

    Don’t forget to ask ToM what he does, TB.

    You have a point to make … nom de plume!

    The reason you lot are told my background is for credibility … guess what? ToSY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    On the interwebby thingy you have to give to recieve … and on blogs to prove … you could be a smartarse 19 yo college girl, for all I know … you can post like one sometimes …

  220. September 18, 2012 7:47 pm

    “you could be a smartarse 19 yo college girl, for all I know”

    Oh come on TB, I reckon ToSY is at least eight.

  221. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:48 pm

    by the way Kitty you left this part out of your last cut and paste which I’m sure was just an innocent oversight on your part

    Interesting, you were talking about Irving Wallach on Q&A earlier.

    Irving Wallach on Q&A has just repeated my fescription of what Sydney Uni politics was like in the late 70s as has Greg Sheridan.

    Wallach a Leftie also cannot recall “the Punch”

    I watched it today, it looks like you left this bit out.

    I have to say that the account is consistent with the behaviour of Tony Abbott that I saw.

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3585292.htm

    Like those above said, people are directly stating they saw it happen. They are basically calling him a liar. If he is so sure of his ground, like Gillard was, he could threaten them with legal action. The ball is in his court.

    The oo found out first hand that you cannot print libel without repercussion. Perhaps tabot should back his words with actions.

  222. Smartarse 19yo college girl permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:50 pm

    Soo funnyy, TB, that you think for anonymous online commenters to take you seriously you need “real world” credibility. What you say should define your online persona, and your arguments should stand or fall on their own merit.

  223. Smartarse 8yo girl permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:53 pm

    Okay, I lied about my age. It’s a woman’s prerogative.

  224. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2012 7:59 pm

    it just feels like Groundhog Day around here.

    I feels for ya Tosy 😦

  225. Disclaimer permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:01 pm

    *Smartarse 19yo college girl’s comments are a reflection of her opinion, and are in no way meant to instruct others how to run their online “life”. 😯

  226. September 18, 2012 8:07 pm

    “you could be a smartarse 19 yo college girl, for all I know … you can post like one sometimes …”

    Is that an accusation, or an invitation…..??

    (It’s difficult to know sometimes)….. 😉

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:32 pm

    I know how feel…
    To be honest I feel like walking away from this place after what I’ve read from the Abbott lovers…

    me too, conservative group think does your head in, banging your own head against a brick wall. Would rather have abbott throwing punches, it’d be less painful.

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:42 pm

    ” banging your own head against a brick wall

    I know just how you feel. Sometimes I try to talk sense into TB.

  229. el gordo permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:44 pm

    ‘How did I end up with “you lot” …..

    Humour doesn’t recognise political bounds…you have created a two headed monster.

  230. Tom R permalink
    September 18, 2012 8:47 pm

    Sometimes I try to talk sense

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    I don’t know if you do it on purpose, but it just keeps on cumin 😉

  231. JAWS(2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 18, 2012 10:47 pm

    It’s sooooooo funny.

    Companies like Twiggy’s Fortescue just dodge execution whilst operati ng at a loss and Swan expects to collect Super Profits Tax to find his endless deficits.

    What a fucking simpleton !

    And the Lefties believe him. Buts what’s so different when you are dealing with Dumb and the Dumbest !

  232. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 18, 2012 11:31 pm

    “me too, conservative group think does your head in, banging your own head against a brick wall.”

    As opposed to what, Lefty group think (rich are all greedy, we are causing climate change “this time”, America is an imperialist nation, poverty is why the 3rd world fails, there is a third world because of European colonialism, throwing tax payer money at every social ill is the solution)? If you really believe in what you espouse you will challenge it, test it…Only the cowardly, insecure and immature make statements they can’t or refuse to stand by. That is what children and adolescents do…I think your a credit to your cause that you have the “brass” to engage in the debate no matter what side of the fence you call home…

    Try to “tolerate” those whom in which you disagree with as you will find you can learn much from them; I certainly have…Otherwise, we are no different then are respective pundits.

  233. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 8:07 am

    Good morning Sparta, you have noticed some here from the left are adolescent like our PM, who also thinks a harmless trace gas is making sea level rise.

  234. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2012 8:36 am

    who also thinks a harmless trace gas is making sea level rise.,/i>

    Just like all those dopey scientists funnily enough

  235. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 8:43 am

    ‘Just like all those dopey scientists funnily enough’

    A coincidence? I think not.

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 9:12 am

    What you say should define your online persona, and your arguments should stand or fall on their own merit.

    My arguments generally do, ToSY, and generally yours (I have to admit) but there are a few here I would argue don’t – and you know who …

    What astounded me was your “defence” of ToM … why not let ToM answer my question – it was after all, directed at him?

    My! You lot are precious when the polls/news/public opinion aren’t in your favour … 🙄

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sometimes I try to talk sense into TB.

    I’ve never seen any … 😯

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Try to “tolerate” those whom in which you disagree with as you will find you can learn much from them; I certainly have…

    😆 Could I have another cup of coffee please? I just dropped this one! 😆

    … your bracketed diatribe was actually fairly accurate … so I guess you must have learned somefing …

  237. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 9:32 am

    Kittylitter, it really isn’t that hard to look up these details. You should before repeating verbatim bullshit made up by left wing bloggers.

    Enlisted May 1942. Discharged July 1947.Service number 422371.

    You should apologise.

  238. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 9:45 am

    “You lot are precious when the polls/news/public opinion aren’t in your favour …”

    I think we’ll be a lot happier in 2 weeks . That’s when we will se a “seasonally adjusted” Newspoll methinks.

    Anyway I had a conversation with a senior Tax Partner who is on a Tax liaison committee that meets with Treasury Officials and Finance Department officials quite often.

    Seems the following are in Swan’s sights to shore up his Budget Deficit.

    *Diesel Fuel Rebate

    *Wine Excise adjustments to better reflect alcohol content (Massive increases on the way)

    * SMSF changes to property arangements where business premises are in fund and leased back to a business

    * Ending Transition to Retirement Pensions basically immediately

    * Introducing Taxation of Self Funded Retirees whereby any pension received will be added to all other currently tax free income (if you are over 60) and subjected to ordinary rates of tax just like a salary earner.( Note the current pension falls below tax free threshold so it wont affect those reliant on the pension alone)

    *Permanent delay to adjustments to Concessional Caps of $25,000 pa

    * Various punitive Centrelink adjustments for those over 60 yo and not solely reliant on the pension

    Apparently the view within the ALP is still that those over 55 yo don’t vote for them anyway.

    So if you are in retirement or saving for it……………………….Enjoy your morning

  239. "You lot" founding member permalink
    September 19, 2012 9:52 am

    “What astounded me was your “defence” of ToM … why not let ToM answer my question”

    It was a dig at you, not a defence of Tom of Melbourne. 😉 It does amuse me, though, that you think I have any influenece on whether or not ToM answers your questions.

  240. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 10:06 am

    “Like those above said, people are directly stating they saw it happen.”

    Wallach said no such thing.

    Just your usual verballing ………………..Ho Hum……………………Again !

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 10:31 am

    It does amuse me, though, that you think I have any influenece on whether or not ToM answers your questions.

    Quite frankly I don’t give a $#!t … I thought it amusing that you bothered to jump in on ToMMy’s behalf, to cut me off … think it says more about you than me … and why the “dig” … as I said, I asked ToM, directly, not you? As I said “precious people” …

    Just to clarify, if I had a dig at, ToM, or attacked him (pretty hard, he’s as thick skinned as most here), and you had waded in … that I could understand … a simple question? No …

    Jumped to his “defence” far too quickly …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    * Introducing Taxation of Self Funded Retirees whereby any pension received will be added to all other currently tax free income (if you are over 60) and subjected to ordinary rates of tax just like a salary earner.( Note the current pension falls below tax free threshold so it wont affect those reliant on the pension alone)

    Wally, this part got my attention … naturally …

    Bearing in mind the tax free threshold has been raised pretty high at $18000 … pensions for a couple BTW are around $29, 000 max … singles about $19,000

    http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.aspx?doc=/content/00322113.htm

    In fact IF the retiree/pension options were adopted, the government would really be destroyed … the Baby Boomers are all about to retire … a massive voting bloc … dangerous ground … and BBs have lo-o-o-o-ng memrie’s …

    Thanks for the heads up though …

    I’m about to buy the second brand new car of my life … I was 21 when I bought a Honda Scamp! $40,000 out of our capital base is a big chunk … and you info is mightily useful for my modelling (always like a “buffer”) …

  242. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 10:57 am

    “…..you info is mightily useful for my modelling (always like a “buffer”) …”

    TB

    Nothing concrete yet (political ramifications currently being weighed up) but it seems there are alot of things being closely looked at. Especially Superannuation arrangements.

    This part does not affect you but the word is if someone is doing a TRP ya definitely stuffed. As are Super property leasebacks.

    So dont fret yet

    The guy I spoke to really does have some good contacts

  243. "You lot" founding member permalink
    September 19, 2012 10:59 am

    “I thought it amusing that you bothered to jump in on ToMMy’s behalf, to cut me off”

    I wasn’t aware you could cut somebody off on a blog. 😯
    Perhaps the five minutes between your and my relevant comments wasn’t long enough. Maybe I should have waited longer (half an hour? one hour? how long is long enough between comments in today’s blog etiquette?) to see whether ToM was going to respond before having the temerity to “have a dig” at you – over (in case you really don’t get where I was coming from) you previously demanding to know what I did for a living, as if it made any difference to the “discussion” going on at the time. But then I suppose that was just me being “precious”, or “sniping from the sidelines” as reb would say. 😉 I will try harder in future. 🙂

  244. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:05 am

    Bernardi is a beast, but Barry O isn’t too bad for a conservative.

    ‘THE Premier, Barry O’Farrell, will allow Liberal MPs a conscience vote on a bill to legalise same-sex marriage, which a cross-party group of MPs will introduce this year.

    ‘Liberal, Nationals, Labor and Greens MPs have formed a working party to draw up a bill to allow gay and lesbian couples in NSW to marry, if legislation before Federal Parliament is voted down, as expected.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/ofarrell-to-allow-conscience-vote-on-samesex-marriage-20120918-264sy.html#ixzz26sC7GlBj

  245. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:15 am

    “Like those above said, people are directly stating they saw it happen.”

    Wallach said no such thing.

    Did I say he did ❓

    or is it => Just your usual verballing ………………..Ho Hum……………………Again !

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:17 am

    So dont fret yet

    LOL! Nah, not bothered at all … in fact SFR do pay tax on their earnings @ 15%, you might recall … Tip Custard (credit where it’s due) removed the 15% on withdrawals over 60 yo … originally, 15% in 15% on earnings and 15% on withdrawals …

  247. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:20 am

    Don’t ya just love the ASX.

    McMahon Holdings which does a lot of building work for Fortescue has seen its share price plummet 40% this morning on a revised earnings forecast.

    This come 9 days after Morning Star Research placed an “Accumulate” recommendation on it.

    I think I might buy a few now

  248. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:31 am

    Now I know why Minglo chose to ban anyone who disagrees with them. It’s actually better for one’s mental health than to have to day in and day out respond to the same old bullshit from the likes of sancty who thinks the sun shines out of Abbott’s arse and that he can do no wrong.

    How did sancty form such an high opinion of someone who to everyone else ( or at least rational thinking people) is just a rightwing catholic arsehole?

    Reb, people write stuff. Some of it is outrageous. Some of it defies belief. So when I read such stuff, I am motivated to check its veracity. Sometimes you can find documentary evidence to certainty (eg Gillard with AWU and Abbott Sen. with army record above) and other times you have to make a judgement on the balance of probabilities eg Abbott punching walls.

    I fully get that Abbott is a divisive type. I also get that many people worry about his tendency to act or speak without fully thinking things through. I don’t know him personally but I know many people who do. Their opinions, which I respect, coupled with what I know to be true about the bloke, leave me with a kind of grudging respect for the bloke.

    I’m really sorry if I can’t bring myself to hate him like you and others seem to want me to, but I just can’t. Moreover, he seems to represent me. I’m not sure where he stands on the big corporations (esp Coles/Woolies beating up small business) but if he takes them on like he takes on the leftie elites, he’s won me. I don’t need to “like” the people who win my vote.

  249. September 19, 2012 11:35 am

    Fair enough sancty.

  250. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:46 am

    I also keep hearing that Abbott is in fact a very likeable bloke. Just as Julia is apparently a very likeable woman.

    Seems they both have a problem with a robotic public persona

  251. September 19, 2012 11:50 am

    “Good morning Sparta, you have noticed some here from the left are adolescent like our PM…”

    You comment like a sickening fucking weathervane. unfknblvbl

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 12:01 pm

    Just seems to get better worse for the Liberal Party!

    Down, down, the Liberals are Down … LOL! (Sparta won’t get that … ha!)

    http://www.news.com.au/national/libs-in-crisis-over-hysterical-gay-marriage-claim/story-fndo4eg9-1226477135076

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I fully get that Abbott is a divisive type. I also get that many people worry about his tendency to act or speak without fully thinking things through … Moreover, he seems to represent me

    Just the sort of Aussie larrikin we need to represent Australia on the world stage and make decisions for all Austryuns … I really don’t think you “get it”, sometimes, James … you’re one of 23 million …

    My pick is still, Malcolm Turnbull, as PM …

    … presentable, articulate, sort of self made, reasonable in his outlook, seems fair minded and “get’s” Australians … he just needed an apprenticeship and learn the bitterness of the people hen has to work with in Parliament … and he doesn’t confront people nor punch walls!

  253. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 12:13 pm

    Yes, TB, but he does believe in the development of passive income streams of a global nature which make me sick.

    I see that in him and wonder, as people obviously do with respect to how I view Abbott, how anyone can possibly view Turnbull as a potential PM.

    And “get” what, TB? I have a world view that I have formed based upon my own considerations and experiences. Should I change that based on your no doubt superior considerations and experiences?

  254. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 12:46 pm

    ‘You comment like a sickening fucking weathervane. unfknblvbl’

    I’m a fence sitter and proud. This blog never struck me as a place to gain friends and influence people.

  255. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 12:50 pm

    ‘My pick is still, Malcolm Turnbull, as PM …’

    Only if he drops the tax based on new discoveries in post normal science.

  256. September 19, 2012 12:54 pm

    You are a seeker of favour with fellow travellers in a prostration of your dignity. You backpedal & slide around surreptitiously.

    Your prerogative, obviously; but duly noted.

  257. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 1:03 pm

    ‘You backpedal & slide around surreptitiously.’

    I have been known to change my view when better arguments come to hand….sort of open minded and easily swayed by logical discussion.

    Don’t take offence boss, the left have been brainwashed on CC.

  258. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 1:13 pm

    You are a seeker of favour with fellow travellers in a prostration of your dignity.

    Ooh can I use that sentence? I like it.

  259. September 19, 2012 1:26 pm

    “Don’t take offence boss, the left have been brainwashed on CC.”

    That’s fine. I have no issue with that opinion at all. I’m ambivalent myself; the waters are too muddied to take a decisive stance either way, imo.

    I was objecting to this…”some here from the left are adolescent like our PM”. Precisely whom?

  260. Fron the right permalink
    September 19, 2012 1:32 pm

    I don’t even know who here is or isn’t “from the left”. So confusing. 😉

  261. September 19, 2012 1:45 pm

    I don’t think it’s particularly clear either…not sure if you’re taking the piss or not

    I thought it was a broad assertion that begs response. It was non specific & snide.

  262. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 2:00 pm

    ‘Precisely whom?’

    I’m not in a position to add weight to my snide remark, so I’ll retract it.

  263. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2012 2:15 pm

    the waters are too muddied to take a decisive stance either way, imo.

    The waters are muddied only by snake oil salesmen and the likes of grodo who change their arguments to suit their view.

    The waters amongst the scientific community are not muddied any more in this than in any other scientific endeavour.

    Something to keep in mind imo 😉

    Precisely whom?

  264. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2012 2:17 pm

    I’m not in a position to add weight to my snide remark

  265. September 19, 2012 2:36 pm

    Two words; Cory Bernardi…

    Guffaw!

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:11 pm

    I read that Bernardi has left the country … there’ll be riots and signs in the streets of Sydney tonight!

    At the least the Mardi Gras will have another clown to add to the cast …

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:13 pm

    Isn’t Cory an American name … ? Bernardi is, Italian, I’d suspect, or, Sicilian …

  268. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:19 pm

    Geezus that was bad by Bernardi. I get what he was saying. I also doubt that allowing gay marriage would end there. But to draw the link, however distant, was utterly stupid.

  269. September 19, 2012 3:21 pm

    He’s one of the Coalition’s more caricature-like rightwing (I think he can be safely labelled as such) spruikers. He’s there to galvanize the nuttier elements of the Coalition’s base.

    Even Bolt has acknowledged that he had to resign.

  270. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:22 pm

    Sicily is part of Italy……

  271. September 19, 2012 3:26 pm

    Except there is no link, snacty. Only in the minds of those who are reflexively opposed to what I think they see as the ‘icky factor’ of same sex marriage arrangements (not meaning you, of course).

    I don’t accept the slippery slope argument at all, or that gay marriage must necessarily lead to ‘other’ things. Having said that, I have no objection to consenting, unexploitative polygamy.
    I think fear of SSM is an ideologically polar phenomenon.

  272. September 19, 2012 3:27 pm

    Cory’s just another shining beacon of the broad church that is the coalition.

    Nick Minchin has already leapt to Cory’s defence saying his comments were “misrepresented”…

    It’s been a hilarious couple of weeks for the Liberals. It’s pure comedy when they reveal their true colours (much to their embarrassment).

  273. September 19, 2012 3:30 pm

    Every time they give up their small target strategy they scare a few waverers away from them.

    I think it’s great. We know about the ALP’s glaring deficiencies. There should be more public affirmation of what the alternative lot really stand for.

  274. September 19, 2012 3:31 pm

    Minchin is the father of rightwing nutjobbery in the Coalition, so it’s no surprise that he’d be sticking his neck out to blunten Bernardi’s stupid comments. Who’ll be next? They’re not the only ones.

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:33 pm

    Senator Bernardi was the Australian delegate for a US organisation called the American Legislative Exchange Council.

    ”It is funded in a way to develop template legislation that gives a full-on onslaught to the big multinationals at the expense of the community,” said Senator Milne.

    ”And Cory Bernardi is on their web site as their international delegate for Australia. So, read Tony Abbott and read the Tea Party.”

    Sicily is part of Italy……

    Yes it is, James, however it is autonomous and has its own history and cultural background … and thus different surnames to the “Roma” Italy we are familiar with …

    A bit like me saying it could be an English or Scottish name … they are the same nation (although Scotland now has its own Parliament) but quite distinct surnames … as I’m sure you will agree … James and McJames frinstance 😉

  276. September 19, 2012 3:36 pm

    Romney has also dropped the ball a little, being filmed making ill advised semi private comments about a large swathe of potential US voters.
    Correct or not, and I don’t agree with him personally (he too, was playing to wealthy donors who represent his base), the comments are unlikely to resonate too well with some of whom may have otherwise been supporters.

    I was surprised by just how soon the upcoming poll for POTUS is.

  277. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:39 pm

    I only had a brief look at his comments, Toilet, but I’m not sure he was necessarily arguing the “slippery slope” thing, although many including I think Abbott have said that he was. His final point was

    There are always going to be people who feel that they have got a raw deal or have been discriminated against or do not have the same access to opportunities or advantages as others do, and to pretend any differently is really to deny reality

    His point was that ending discrimination should not be, in and of itself, a reason to tear down societal foundations. Because discrimination exists everywhere and if ending it were your principal goal then the costs would be horrendous.

    But anyway, it was a horrible piece of politics.

  278. September 19, 2012 3:39 pm

    I know Calibresis don’t like being mistaken for Naples etc.

    I know a few. It’s fun to deliberately forget the difference in their presence. 🙂

  279. September 19, 2012 3:40 pm

    He’s the one that brought up bestiality, snacty. As you say, stupid political fopar.

  280. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:41 pm

    I find Italy a fascinating country, TB. Hard to believe it’s only existed for such a short time as “Italy”.

  281. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:43 pm

    Faux par?

  282. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:44 pm

    Cory Bernardi has issued a statement saying he will now just concentrate on continuing to represent the people of South Australia.

    Eh………………………….that’s you Toilette………………….so consider yourself as represented by your representative

  283. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:46 pm

    “Hard to believe it’s only existed for such a short time as “Italy”.”

    The Lombards (Milan area in the North) regard it as toooooooooooooo long a time

  284. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:55 pm

    I also doubt that allowing gay marriage would end there. But to draw the link, however distant, was utterly stupid.

    He says, drawing the link ROFL

    Our own Corgi St Bernadi

  285. public toilet permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:58 pm

    You can rest assured, jaws. Bernardi represents the antithesis of just about everything I believe.
    I put xenophon first. He had a track record of agitating for various things in SA. He’s also one of the only pollies to make a token visit to my workplace when things began deteriorating. Our local fed lib MP is so absent he’s known as the invisible man around here; and he didn’t even make preselection for next time.

  286. public toilet permalink
    September 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    Patrick Secker, in case you’re wondering.

  287. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:02 pm

    “He’s also one of the only pollies to make a token visit to my workplace when things began deteriorating”

    I think I remember that.

    He was jumping up and down about Dumped Imports was he not ?

  288. JAWS permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:05 pm

    Anyway Cory has given Abbott the chance to bring Sinodinos onto the Front Bench.

    They might have a bit more economic cred for a change rather than relying on poor old Joe and Robb

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:05 pm

    Faux par?

    Sorry, mate, not with you? On my part or yours?

  290. Foe Pa permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:07 pm

    Xenophon has a case of permanant outrage. (He also overuses “in terms of”. 😉 )

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:08 pm

    Isn’t, “faux par”, a faux pas in itself? 😉 I have been known to refer to it as a fox paw in jest!

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:09 pm

    (He also overuses “in terms of”)

    In terms of what, ToSY?

  293. My terms permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:17 pm

    I just picked a random Xenophon interview, then did a search and count for “in terms of”.

    Fourteen! 😉

  294. My terms permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    This interview.

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2011/s3248229.htm

  295. public toilet permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:30 pm

    I’m still glad he’s not a bigot of the Bernardi stripe. Also, he tried to put the blowtorch on scientology. A good thing, imo.

  296. Campaigner without a cause permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:41 pm

    Who knew he was an anti-Scientology campaigner? Probably not even Xenophon until he latched onto it as his latest “cause”.

    I’ve never personally encountered scientology and have no opinion on it. As a general principle though it should be free to operate within the law.

  297. public toilet permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:51 pm

    People brought the issue to him, yony. Ex members…& I believe that it was to investigate certain issues of legality which neither of the majors will ever go near.

  298. Waiting for the postman permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:52 pm

    I haven’t read Bernardi’s comments yet, but I bet reb’s tapping something out on the Olivetti as we speak.

  299. public toilet permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:55 pm

    I was merely using scientology as one example. He is best known in SA for his long held, No Pokies, stance. Something else I support; which you do not, I recall. 😉
    He may have been a stranger to the rest of the country, but he’s not here. I imagine he is well supported in SA. So nyaaaaah.

  300. Ologist permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:58 pm

    “I believe that it was to investigate certain issues of legality which neither of the majors will ever go near.”

    Fair enough, so what’s become of it all? Does his deafening silence on the “issue” mean there was nothing they could act on?

  301. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 19, 2012 4:59 pm

    I was being funny, TB.

  302. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 5:28 pm

    ‘I was being funny, TB.’

    Without a funny face (Poe’s Law) it went under the radar, but rest assured I caught it.

  303. September 19, 2012 5:29 pm

    I’m not sure, but I thought there wasn’t enough support in the senate to get much done about it. Weren’t they underpaying people or something? & ostracising family members who fled the cult?

  304. September 19, 2012 5:35 pm

    I recall that in this place only a few years ago people pushed for the same entitlements and benefits for all relationships that were then held by married couples. This was achieved. I opposed it at the time because my point was that just because people are in a sexual relationship that does not mean that they should be afforded the same rights and privileges as society affords those in traditional marriage, and I have outlined some of the reasons for that. Indeed, I advocated at the time that if it is about genuine equality and interdependency then we should advance this to interdependent relationships in which there is no sexual engagement. There are any number of those relationships, including people who live together and share bank accounts and expenses and who, for all intents and purposes, share their lives without having a sexual or physical relationship. But that was rejected, I suspect because it was not really about equality. It was not about interdependency and it was not about sharing your life with someone; it was about chipping away at the institution of marriage.

    The legislation got through and I lost that debate—you win some and lose some in this business. At that stage I was one of many saying this was another step that would undermine marriage. Today we see the next step. This is another push—it is not the first time and it will not be the last time—for same-sex marriage. Time and time again the techniques of the radicals who seek to overturn the social institutions and social fabric of our society are out of step with the priorities of mainstream Australia. No-one out there that I have come across says this is the most important issue facing Australia. There are enormous social and economic problems in this country, and this debate will not solve any of them. Time and time again the same characters seek to tear down our institutions that have been built and have sustained our civilisation for thousands of years. The time has come to ask: when will it end?

    If we are prepared to redefine marriage so that it suits the latest criterion that two people who love each other should be able to get married irrespective of their gender and/or if they are in a sexual relationship, then what is the next step? The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society—or any other type of relationship. For those who say that I am being alarmist in this, there is the polyamory community who were very disappointed when the Greens had to distance themselves from their support for numerous people getting together and saying they want to enter into a permanent union. They were disappointed because they were misled that this was about marriage equality and opening up marriage to all people who love each other.

    There are even some creepy people out there—and I say ‘creepy’ deliberately—who are unfortunately afforded a great deal more respect than I believe they deserve. These creepy people say it is okay to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals. Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, ‘These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union.’ It is extraordinary that these sorts of suggestions are put forward in the public sphere and are not howled down right at the very start. We can talk about people like Professor Peter Singer who was, I think, a founder of the Greens or who wrote a book about the Greens. Professor Singer has appeared on Q&A on the ABC, the national broadcaster. He has endorsed such ideas as these. I reject them. I think that these things are the next step. As we accede to one request we will then have the next one which will be for unions of more than two people. We will have suggestions for unions of three or four people. I notice the Greens are heckling, but the point is that they misled their constituent base and there was an outcry about this. Where do we go then? Do we go down the Peter Singer path? Those that say this is the end of the social revolution have no history of being honourable about that. They continue to push and challenge our social and cultural mores. We simply cannot allow such an important social institution to be redefined, especially when Australians do not see this as a priority issue.

    http://t.co/ElQtSWiV

  305. Senate schmenate permalink
    September 19, 2012 5:37 pm

    “I thought there wasn’t enough support in the senate to get much done about it”

    If there were laws being broken the police would be obligated to investigate any complaint, regardless of the misgivings of politicians.

  306. September 19, 2012 5:52 pm

    Regardless of the outcome, I’m pleased that he wasn’t too timid to raise it.

  307. Tony permalink
    September 19, 2012 6:00 pm

    It sounds like a cause-hunting beat-up to me. I don’t feel comfortable about politicians using their soapboxes to publicly harass apparently law-abiding citizens, no matter how “crazy” or unusual their ideas and beliefs.

  308. September 19, 2012 6:01 pm

    Thanks for that misleading tirade, Senator Bernardi.

    I do believe that you may be full of shit when it comes to claiming “No-one out there that I have come across says this is the most important issue facing Australia.” I was under the impression that there is majority support.
    Noone is saying it’s the most important issue in the country. FFS, just let it be done & get over it you socially conservative encroacher on the personal lives of people whose homes & beds you’ll never share & have no business dictating to.

    Cory Bernardi, A grade pantswetter. Strawman builder extraordinaire.

  309. September 19, 2012 6:03 pm

    C’mon, your main beef with Xenophon is his crusade against pokies. 🙂

    How about Bernardi standing in the way of consenting adults getting married?

  310. September 19, 2012 6:04 pm

    You’re right, in hindsight, Xenophon should’ve slammed the door in the faces of the concerned ex-scientologists. Stupid cause hunter.

  311. el gordo permalink
    September 19, 2012 6:19 pm

    Politicians are pathetic, self serving individuals….I can’t think of one that isn’t.

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 6:42 pm

    I was being funny, TB. I suspected that but I was trying to figure the faux pas?

    Sorry I wasn’t as “bright” as, egg … 🙄

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2012 6:44 pm

    Politicians are pathetic, self serving individuals….I can’t think of one that isn’t.

    Noddy Newman THINKS he is … although he seems to have gone to ground and won’t come out at the moment … he’s too busy putting my state back in order – apparently … (slowly shakes head) … 🙄

  314. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2012 7:57 pm

    Toilet had spelt it fopar. I think deliberately. I just offered an alternative incorrect spelling. Was kind of hoping to start a meme. But I think I failed.

  315. Tony permalink
    September 19, 2012 8:13 pm

    “Was kind of hoping to start a meme. But I think I failed.”

    Hey, I joined in, kinda: Foe Pa

  316. Tony permalink
    September 19, 2012 8:15 pm

    Or maybe the Victoria St version: phở pà

  317. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2012 9:25 pm

    Haha so you did!! I missed it. Sorry.

  318. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 19, 2012 10:39 pm

    Gotta watch out for those humoursexuals.

    Some day they might ask for a good Catholic EyeStallion like me to marry a Church of England gal.

    Now that’s a slippery slope

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2012 10:45 pm

    Really the Liberals are a party of the status quo, and should not be relied on to introduce progressive reform. People are entitled to expect this from the ALP.

    To have Gillard, an unmarried atheist, vote against a reasonable, overdue human rights reform – marriage equality – only demonstrates her lack of judgement and leadership.

    …and Cory Bernardi is a disgrace.

  320. September 19, 2012 11:22 pm

    I agree about Gillard & the ALP voting down SSM today. That’s kinda gotten lost in the maelstrom with Bernardi’s fucked up comments.
    Gillard/ALP stand condemned also.

  321. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 19, 2012 11:25 pm

    Just read the DJs annual report.

    Not sure about anything but Sydney but I reckon these guys are about to put apartments on top of their stores.

    But maybe I’m crazy

    But I’d do it

  322. el gordo permalink
    September 20, 2012 5:59 am

    Anglicans believe in heaven on earth, which places extraordinary demands on the credit card.

  323. el gordo permalink
    September 20, 2012 6:23 am

    ‘The waters are muddied only by snake oil salesmen and the likes of grodo who change their arguments to suit their view.’

    What? I change my view if there is a better argument….barrackers are pathetic.

    I name TomR as a left leaning individual who has been brainwashed on CC, along with kitty.

    Toilet is not of the left and remains fiercely independent, clearly recognisable by his ambivalence on gorebull worming.

  324. el gordo permalink
    September 20, 2012 6:27 am

    ‘I reckon these guys are about to put apartments on top of their stores.’

    The whole building will more than likely be converted to flats and snapped up by the legal fraternity.

  325. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 20, 2012 9:06 am

    In Melbourne all the city apartments particularly in that area are occupied by Asian students. It’s not a bad thing but walk around central Melbourne on a weekend and you’d think you were in another country.

  326. September 20, 2012 9:52 am

    “maybe the Victoria St version: phở pà”

    Very clever ToSY… 🙂

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2012 2:03 pm

    Enlisted May 1942. Discharged July 1947.Service number 422371.
    You should apologise.

    Happy to apologise if I have relied upon wrong information and do so now. I certainly don’t need to apologise to you personally, do you apologise for all of your misrepresentations, sophistry and deliberate falsehoods that you have peddled here while performing your bolt impersonations?
    Do you have a link for that abbott snr info that you gave BTW? and happen to know if dick abbott saw active duty? When and where did he complete his dentistry course? I note in wiki that the story of escaping the dangers of war and then returning to UK after doing his dentistry is ‘citation needed” and info should not be relied upon. I would also question why he would escape from the dangers of war to australia and then run headlong into the dangers by joining up for the frontline.

    TB, the evidence against Gillard exists in affidavits, submitted legal documents, and her own statements.

    yes, all on the public record, much innuendo and pointing of fingers without actually daring to publicly voice the claims – because they will be sued. Abbott is hiding behind his spin merchants to create lies and a false record of his student history to diffuse the very real accounts told by others – will he dare sue? I don’t think so.

    I also doubt that allowing gay marriage would end there. But to draw the link, however distant, was utterly stupid.

    What link?
    More feelpinions?

    Gillard’s history is entirely relevant because she continues to shield those engaged in similar practices now.

    Abbott’s is entirely relevant because he continues to engage in the same behaviour now. He remains, after all this time, a bully, a sexist,a misogynist, a liar and a thug. Abbott’s ‘indiscretions’ are ongoing and should not be seen as continual gaffes and mispeaks which he lies about corrects the next day.

    I wonder what these character attributes of abbott would have someone, a supposedly modern man championing him as a leader for the nation? Wonder why a ‘grudging respect’ would be given for someone so nasty and so offensive to half of the australian population, unless you share the same views?

    the waters are too muddied to take a decisive stance either way, imo.

    About as muddied as a seagull poo of denial fouling the sea of scientific consensus!

  328. September 20, 2012 2:09 pm

    “I wonder what these character attributes of abbott would have someone, a supposedly modern man championing him as a leader for the nation? Wonder why a ‘grudging respect’ would be given for someone so nasty and so offensive to half of the australian population, unless you share the same views?”

    That’s what has me dumbfounded too.

    Who in their right mind would think that Tony Abbott is a suitable “leader” in today’s modern Australian society.

    The guy’s a neanderthal.

  329. September 20, 2012 2:11 pm

    I dunno, KL.

    My instincts are to doubt the rightwing polarity & its vested interest in maintaining the status quo. But…the pro side does shoot itself in the foot with overstatements & hyperbole. I’m never certain who’s trying to yank my chain harder; and I don’t like having my chain yanked.
    I think it’s terrible that the whole mess tends to tarnish the image of science as being partisan.

  330. September 20, 2012 2:16 pm

    “Who in their right mind would think that Tony Abbott is a suitable “leader” in today’s modern Australian society.”

    If you read around a few rightwing clearinghouse blogs, it’s the same people who today are vehemently defending Bernardi’s comments & the whole slippery slope obfuscation…ultra-conservatives who are shitting themselves about incremental change. Abbott is their man, he speaks to their skittishness- the Coalition just has to make sure that the rest of the voting population don’t get too spooked by going in too hard publicly on what they really stand for. Hence Bernardi’s demotion.

  331. el gordo permalink
    September 20, 2012 2:32 pm

    ‘….the whole mess tends to tarnish the image of science as being partisan.’

    It should have remained an academic exercise, but was politicised by the UN.

  332. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 20, 2012 3:32 pm

    Who in their right mind would think that Tony Abbott is a suitable “leader” in today’s modern Australian society

    Remembering firstly that I have never ever voted for either of the majors as my first preference at an election and noting that in real terms you are left with a choice between two parties each with a leader, preferring one over the other does not necessarily equate to thinking either is a suitable leader. With that in mind, I prefer Abbott over Gillard. Some might recall I also preferred Rudd over Turnbull in the end but with very gritted teeth.

    Here’s a hint though as to why I have a grudging respect for Abbott.

    ABBOTT INCITED A RACE RIOT!!!!
    No he didn’t, indeed he was set up by a staffer of Gillard.

    ABBOTT IS TELLING WOMEN WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BODIES!!!
    No he didn’t, he responded to a hypothetical question on advice he would give his daughters and specifically included the rider “if asked”.

    ABBOTT SAID CLIMATE CHANGE IS CRAP!!!
    Well no he didn’t. He said that the idea that the science on climate change was settled was crap.

    ABBOTT WANTS TO CRIMINALISE ABORTION!!!
    No. He has stated many times that he thinks abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. Who in their right mind doesn’t think that?

    WELL HE THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL BACK IN THE 70’S!!!!
    Yes well so did about half the population. Should we disqualify them all from representative careers?

    ABBOTT PUNCHED A WALL NEXT TO A WOMAN’S HEAD!!
    And the first we hear of it is 35 years later? Bullshit.

    AND HE CALLED THE CHAIRPERSON “CHAIRTHING”!!!
    It was 1977. He was 19. That kind of politically correct language (chairperson) was laughed at by nearly everybody not least because the “-man” in chairman has nothing to do with gender.

    HE HAS A PROBLEM WORKING WITH CAPABLE WOMEN!!!!
    Yeah right, so say all the capable women in his office, his political party, his family…. indeed most of the female Canberra journalists say that’s bullshit.

    HE IS A CONFESSED LIAR!!!
    Now that’s true. But it also places him one step above all those lying politicians who have yet to admit to something that the public already know.

    AND HIS DAD WAS A DRAFT DODGER!!!
    Yes, I know Kittylitter has very grudgingly and with reservation kind of apologised for this made up slur but it’s the kind of grubby little fabrication that finds its way into the history books because people don’t check.

    Now if Abbott was as bad as the Left would have you believe, there would be no reason to fabricate all this shit against him now would there? One thing I have learnt in my many years is that the louder The Left scream about something (like, for instance, Climate Change) the more likely it is to be bullshit. And so it is with Tony Abbott.

    Now on the other side, it is my view that the surface of the grubbiness has barely been scratched. I suspect it’s about to be.

  333. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 20, 2012 3:35 pm

    What link?
    More feelpinions?

    WTF are you talking about?

  334. September 20, 2012 3:35 pm

    Can’t see the wood for the trees.

  335. September 20, 2012 3:49 pm

    I get it Snacty, I get it…

    Behind that hardened exterior (that’s been fabricated by the hate media of course), Tony Abbott’s actually a really nice guy, with all the charm of George Clooney, the charisma of Barack Obama and the intellect of Edward De Bono.

    And of course, who can overlook those dashing good looks.

    It’s just a pity that everyone else thinks he’s a cunt.

    How have we been duped so…..?

  336. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 20, 2012 4:14 pm

    I don’t know that you’ve been duped.

    I reckon I’m a great bloke.

    So do a lot of other people.

    Others are ambivalent about me.

    Others still think I’m an utter cnt. Seriously. Though why they think that I have no idea as I have never done to anyone anything that I would describe as a cnt’s act. Never cheated. Never stolen. Never bashed. Never undermined. Yet I hear from other parties that such and such hates me with a passion. Go figure.

    There’s all of the above but yet more. He lives and works in Aboriginal communities during his holidays each year. I don’t do that. I go and race my boat instead. Aside from my brother I don’t know anyone who does that.

    He’s involved in community sport. I get that. So am I. Respect, dude. There needs to be more of us.

    He keeps fit. Good on him. I don’t. I wish I did.

    He seems to have a nice family. That’s always a good sign.

    But I don’t find him very likeable. Others that I know who’s opinions I respect do. They say he’s a great bloke.

    So my respect is grudging.

    Now let’s have all of your equally well thought through and articulated reasons why you detest the bloke so much. Surely that would require a more concise basis than “grudging respect”.

  337. September 20, 2012 4:17 pm

    “Now let’s have all of your equally well thought through and articulated reasons why you detest the bloke so much..”

    Let me just rustle through some bits of paper n’ stuff. Oh look what do we have here.. It appears to be some ‘facts.’ Let me respond by quoting “the rest of Australia…”

    “Almost 60% of voters think Abbott is “narrow-minded”, according to this week’s Essential Report. That includes 32% of Liberal voters.”

  338. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 20, 2012 4:35 pm

    Good Lord. Narrow minded?? Well I didn’t know THAT!!!

    OK, I hate the cnt too.

  339. el gordo permalink
    September 20, 2012 4:48 pm

    ‘…having a biased or illiberal viewpoint; bigoted, intolerant, or prejudiced.’

    Doesn’t sound right, the media have created this illusion.

  340. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 20, 2012 5:16 pm

    I don’t particularly like Abbott, mainly because he seems given to the same thought-bubble method of policy-making that infects the current government. The recent vilification campaign says a lot more about the ALP, who see that as their route to electoral success, than about Abbott. I guess that means that in future political debate will look more like this.

  341. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2012 5:35 pm

    Though why they think that I have no idea as I have never done to anyone anything that I would describe as a cnt’s act.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    😯

  342. JAWS permalink
    September 20, 2012 6:02 pm

    “Tony Abbott’s actually a really nice guy”

    Ahem………………never met him myself but for what its worth apparently he is.

    Being from Palm Beach a few of my friends are mixed up with the various Northern Beaches surf clubs via their kids being in the Surf Life Savers and the Nippers.

    They reckon he’s a great guy and dare I say one of them is a Greenie.

    Yeah……………that’s right one of my friends is a Greenie. Mrs Jaws says I apparently have others who are similarly mentally afflicted like that but they don’t tell me as they know my views.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2012 6:23 pm

    Yes, I know Kittylitter has very grudgingly and with reservation kind of apologised for this made up slur but it’s the kind of grubby little fabrication that finds its way into the history books because people don’t check.

    Erm, it IS in the “history books” … KL, apologised and not “begrudgingly” at all (see below) … she also said she had a used a misleading source … as if you check all your sources … many of your posts include … “I believe” …

    KL, apology …

    Happy to apologise if I have relied upon wrong information and do so now

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL!

    He seems to have a nice family. That’s always a good sign.

    My father had a nice family too … and everyone thought he was a wonderful man … but the truth of it was that he was a womaniser and beat the shit out of my mother and me … somehow even my sister (seven years my junior denys it) … never judge a book by its cover!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t particularly like Abbott, mainly because he seems given to the same thought-bubble method of policy-making that infects the current government.

    Yep, I agree with that … and Mit Romney, I reckon … $2 an hour except politicians … can’t help the unwashed majority etc etc …

    The recent vilification campaign says a lot more about the ALP, who see that as their route to electoral success, than about Abbott.

    And most Australians agree with you, sp … the recent polls say so (sarc alert) … but you don’t like Abbott> Contradictory or what? And no “dirt” from the Liberal camp (can I use that word with Liberals?) in any political campaigns (that these days seem to be every day!)

    I guess that means that in future political debate will look more like this.

    LOL! It’s 2012, lighten up … you’d think that affairs never happened … its been going on for MILLENNIA … long before the 613 the original two commandments were expanded to 10 and then to 613 …

    BTW, should I have watched the muslimsingles.com vid on your link too …

    Just askin’ … 🙂

  344. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2012 6:53 pm

    Bit of selective quoting, TB? Surprise fkn surprise.

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2012 7:04 pm

    Bit of selective quoting, TB? Surprise fkn surprise.

    Maybe the rest was unresearched “I believe” … and the “selective” quoting simply demonstrated that …

    BTW, you’ll have a ball in court … or the “opposition” will … 🙂

    Sparta, has taught me to be succinct … 😉 (It’ll like that … Sparta’s coy … don’t know what gender it is … and I’m really frightened to ask it – it’s not relevant to the discussion anyway*)

    *insert sarc alert …

  346. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 20, 2012 8:18 pm

    Beware of Spartan women. They were more thuggish than the blokes could even dream of.

  347. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 4:26 am

    Yes, I know Kittylitter has very grudgingly and with reservation kind of apologised for this made up slur

    yes, james, you didn’t follow up with a link to any evidence of any kind. His dentistry training, here or the UK? Surely there’s a record of that, did he see active duty? His UK comings and goings appear to have not been supported by any evidence either, wiki says it can’t be relied upon. We can all make claims about our family history but that doesn’t mean it is accepted without verification.

    I apologise to all contributors here if I provide misleading info, I don’t see a need to make a special personal apology to you especially as you have not provided the answers to the questions to put the record straight.

    ABBOTT INCITED A RACE RIOT!!!!
    No he didn’t, indeed he was set up by a staffer of Gillard.

    Abbott is on record saying on camera that very day of the protest that the tent embassy should be removed. It’s a bit rich to call that small crowd of people banging on some glass windows, pointing fingers and chanting “always was, always will be, aboriginal land”, a race riot! It was a case of politicians being controlled by an alarmist security who completely over reacted and carried on ridiculously, carting the PM away like they did . I would suggest that none of that lot inside had anything to worry about except perhaps hearing up close what actual, real people might think of them, how frightening for them. Do you consider menzies house reflective of conservative opinion? because on that esteemed website there is a button on the right called “close the tent embassy.com” and underneath a poll button asking visitors if they think the tent embassy should be closed. Now that would appear to be rather racist to me, seeing the tent embassy is a long running political protest.

    ABBOTT IS TELLING WOMEN WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BODIES!!!
    No he didn’t, he responded to a hypothetical question on advice he would give his daughters and specifically included the rider “if asked”.

    Politics v women’s health: RU486 and the TGA saga

    There is his record and stance on abortion as health minister where medical abortion was made the responsibility of the health minister in 1996, meaning that anyone who wanted to have one would have him peering through their health records and personal business and him deciding whether or not they should be allowed to have a medical abortion, if that’s not telling them what to do with their bodies, I don’t know what is. He is also on record [after his ministerial requirement was removed from him in 2006] as having heavied and bullied the drug companies against marketing RU486. The drug has only just [aug. 2012] become available through the PBS, after abbott had effectively placed a ban on it. We recently had the modern equivalent of a backyard abortion scenario and the criminalisation of abortion in a Qld court case where a woman had to have the drug sent from overseas because it was not made available to her here.

    Make no mistake, this is a big issue with women and they will not have male politicians or anyone else making laws against their rights to contraception, abortion and the control of their own fertility and bodies. Abbott has already shown that he would act against women’s interests given the chance and he simply cannot be trusted on it.

    What if women said that rape is far too prevalent in the community and we would like all males to be castrated or wear an ankle monitor/alarm that women could activate when threatened of attack so they might feel safe to walk in the streets.

    ABBOTT SAID CLIMATE CHANGE IS CRAP!!!
    Well no he didn’t. He said that the idea that the science on climate change was settled was crap.

    He’s had so many contradictory positions on CC, who could know what he really thinks?

    “Tony Abbott: The argument is absolute crap”

    Sounds like he is saying the CC argument is crap, he changed it later [sound familiar?] to make out he was talking about the science.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/abbott-wont-take-back-climate-comments/story-e6frf7jx-1226028937657

    ABBOTT PUNCHED A WALL NEXT TO A WOMAN’S HEAD!!
    And the first we hear of it is 35 years later? Bullshit.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/old-boy-abbott-displays-an-adept-hand-at-massage/story-e6frezz0-1226474792605

    You keep saying that as if saying it often enough will make it true. You keep saying that despite journalists reporting that the story was told 10 years ago and other people have said ramjan has told it for many years. Why are you wilfully ignorant?

    ABBOTT WANTS TO CRIMINALISE ABORTION!!!
    No. He has stated many times that he thinks abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. Who in their right mind doesn’t think that?

    An extremely large majority of women would say that abortion should be a matter of choice. No-one advocates for an abundance of abortion, they advocate for the right to choose. And abbott as health minister put so many impediments in the way of their choices that medical abortion [RU486] was effectively banned in australia. What female in their right mind thinks that any male should have any opinion on their right to choose what is best for themselves, their lives and their bodies. If males don’t want abortion no-one is forcing them to have one.

    AND HE CALLED THE CHAIRPERSON “CHAIRTHING”!!!
    It was 1977. He was 19. That kind of politically correct language (chairperson) was laughed at by nearly everybody not least because the “-man” in chairman has nothing to do with gender.

    For an entire year, he deliberately demeans and belittles a female because she wants a gender neutral title. That’s some offensive behaviour.

    and besides:

    In more recent times the word has come under criticism for being sexist as not all such leaders are male. A backlash by those who want to preserve the old patterns of speech has resulted in some propagating a false etymology that states the -man is not a reference to a person at all and is, therefore, not sexist. This ill-informed view states that the -man comes from the Latin manus, meaning hand, that the chairman is the hand of the one sitting in the chair guiding the meeting. This is complete bunk.

    (Source Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Edition)

    HE HAS A PROBLEM WORKING WITH CAPABLE WOMEN!!!!
    Yeah right, so say all the capable women in his office, his political party, his family…. indeed most of the female Canberra journalists say that’s bullshit.

    And yet he clearly offends a large majority of women who don’t even know him nearly as well as his subordinates in the office or his own family [people he can exercise control over].
    the female canbera journalists who have spoken in his favour wouldn’t be in the pay of murdoch by any chance would they?

    Tony’s Got A Woman Problem;

    There’s something visceral about the way we women respond to Tony Abbott.
    It’s a gut reaction. Deep down we know he’s no good for us.

    For some reason women see right through tony abbott [although there’s a lot of men who also see through him]. The men who like him don’t care about his ongoing sexism and misogyny, something that has not changed since the 70’s when he was an aggressive, violent and activist student. They tolerate this behaviour and respond to the dog whistles. Perhaps these are the men who share tony’s views and behaviours, think women should be ‘kept in their place’ as determined by man made religions and man made systems of governance. The men who think that a half of society should not be able to participate in it as equals to them.

  348. public toilet permalink
    September 21, 2012 4:59 am

    Based upon polling patterns stretching back years, it’s pretty clear that a majority see right through Abbott.
    I count myself amongst them.

    He’s not very good at hiding his inner conservative ugliness.

  349. September 21, 2012 7:58 am

    “Why are you wilfully ignorant?”

    ‘Cause he wants to have Tony’s babies…… 😉

    (that’s the only rational reason I can think of)…

  350. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:19 am

    ‘He’s not very good at hiding his inner conservative ugliness.’

    These are not the words of a fence sitter…just sayin’.

  351. September 21, 2012 8:35 am

    I’m not a fence sitter!

    I despise Abbott. I always have.

    I’m definitely not afraid of taking a position. I’m not rigidly ideological & I’m certainly not Party aligned; but I definitely don’t strive to sit on the fence.

  352. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:51 am

    ‘I despise Abbott. I always have.’

    Then you will have plenty of time to abuse him over the coming decade, he’ll be sitting in the big chairthingy for at least that long.

  353. September 21, 2012 9:38 am

    “Then you will have plenty of time to abuse him over the coming decade, he’ll be sitting in the big chairthingy for at least that long.”

    Like Campbell Newman….?

    GUFFAW!

    If Tabbott gets in, and that’s now looking like a BIG IF, then he’ll be a one term wonder at most.

  354. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 9:45 am

    ‘…he’ll be a one term wonder at most.’

    That may well be the case, but the Coalition will continue to rule.

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 9:54 am

    … but the Coalition will continue to rule.

    It’s all in a word isn’t it “rule” rather than “govern” … 😆

    I hope Noddy Newman continues as the clone of JBP … a few folk might wake up at the next election … (I hate landslides – pollies can’t help themselves) … I hear he plans to demolish the Executive Building and replace it with an apartment block (I wonder if the Dean Brothers are still around?) … and I wonder where the brown paper bags will be coming from/going to this time?) …

  356. September 21, 2012 10:41 am

    It’s all in a word isn’t it “rule” rather than “govern”

    I’m rapidly arriving at the conclusion that egg just likes to sir things up a bit with outlandish often stupid comments.

    Sort of a clayton’s troll.

    Unless he really is stupid, and I’m giving him to much credit. 😯

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 10:57 am

    Interesting that Swan has foreshadowed his partisan entry into US politics, releasing a speech which calls Republicans ‘cranks and crazies’.

    Astounding that the Deputy PM would intervene in US politics at such a time and in such a manner. It’s a “look over there” from a man who is-
    • below average intelligence for his income,
    • a complete dud as a treasurer
    • poorly qualified (is it a certificate grade 1 in public service supervision from the TAFE?)
    • unpopular and utterly unlikeable

    Swan is the most self important, blustering, stupid, vindictive man to hold the position of Deputy PM. For him to start lecturing foreign political parties is evidence that the government continues to be lost.

  358. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:09 am

    ‘…a clayton’s troll.’

    The troll you have when you don’t have trolls?

  359. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:26 am

    I’m not sure what can possibly be misunderstood about the expression “the first we have heard about it” but apparently it displays “wilful ignorance” because “somebody else” “heard about it” “10 years ago” (which, incidentally, is still 25 years after the event).

    FMD.

  360. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 12:05 pm

    I respectfully request on the behalf of all contributors here an apology from james for misleading everyone on the use of the gender specific term ‘chairman’ .

    And the ‘charthing’ derogatory and demeaning sexist pattern of behaviour is still being practised today. Abbott and his cohorts regularly call julia gillard ‘she’ rather than by her name, they hardly ever acknowledge her title of prime minister. This sexist behaviour would have been irrelevant today if he had actually stopped doing it years ago, but it has been an ongoing sexist dog whistle since JG became PM. Let’s not forget all the other examples like “no doesn’t mean no when it comes to julia’ etc.

    “the first we have heard about it” but apparently it displays “wilful ignorance” because “somebody else” “heard about it” “10 years ago” (which, incidentally, is still 25 years after the event).

    17 yrs, 25 yrs, what’s the diff? [goose and gander].

    Just because it’s the first time that it has been broadcast in the media doesn’t mean it didn’t happen as evidenced by the people who have been telling the story for years without the media wanting to pick up on it.

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 12:09 pm

    I respectfully request on the behalf of all contributors here an apology from james for misleading everyone on the use of the gender specific term ‘chairman’ .

    I second the motion …

  362. September 21, 2012 12:43 pm

    “Just because it’s the first time that it has been broadcast in the media doesn’t mean it didn’t happen as evidenced by the people who have been telling the story for years without the media wanting to pick up on it.”

    Absolutely True
    (Urban Hamid had the same problem trying to get the embedded media to run the Ahbu-Gharab photos, .. Iraq torture photos, they were on the web for about 5 months before embedded media joined up with the story.)
    Lets hope my `cow` will give Mr-Rabbit a good horning over his wall punching next time.

  363. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 12:53 pm

    just who do MP’s represent if they don’t represent us in a representative democracy?

    MPs Are Out Of Touch With The Rest Of Us

    And if they are unrepresentative of the total population anyway [a majority of white christian conservative wealthy males] in whose interests is our political system biased toward?

  364. JAWS permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:00 pm

    “Urban Hamid had the same problem trying to get the embedded media to run the Ahbu-Gharab photos, .. Iraq torture photos, they were on the web for about 5 months before embedded media joined up with the story.”

    Clearly it takes a little longer to get something that didn’t happen to get a run.

    Only 35 years mind you

    Which is not too bad for something that didn’t happen according to others there on the night.

  365. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:00 pm

    Kittylitter……utter crap. And you won’t be getting any apology from me on the non-gender specific chairman as the meaning is explained in Riddick’s Rules of Procedure. Have a read.

    And I note TB is uncharacteristically silent on this issue of Abbott Senior’s service record. So I’ll say it.

    Abbott Senior was sent to Australia as a child. About 15yo. In 1940. I don’t think this is in dispute. Is it?

    Abbott Senior joined the airforce after he turned 18 in 1942.

    http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=1038657

    You do not join the armed forces and pick and choose whether you see active duty or not. I don’t intend to travel to the National Archives this weekend to satisfy your curiosity, or disgraceful lack of it. You accused a 15yo child of being a draft dodger. That is a disgraceful accusation to falsely make of a man let alone a child. When it was pointed out to you that he in fact joined the armed forces as a volunteer when he turned 18 you mused as to whether he saw active duty. As if that is relevant.

    You should be ashamed of yourself. I can only hope I would have had the courage of the blokes who fought in the wars particularly WW2. You can make an argument that the Diggers who went to WW1 might have done so with a false sense of adventure etc, I don’t, but the argument could reasonably be made.

    No such argument could be made about the blokes who signed up for WW2. They well knew what they were getting in to and Abbott Senior was one of those. And you repeat, and continue to do so to a lesser and lesser degree as your argument is chipped away at, that he was some kind of coward who sought to minimise his wartime contribution.

    Kittylitter, you type at your keyboard quite freely due to the guts of these blokes. My uncle was a Coast Watcher in New Ireland (who received a Military Cross) and I have heard first hand about the horrors of that conflict. For the likes of you to downplay all of that makes me livid.

    And if it all happened again, God forbid, I can guarantee you one thing. Tony Abbott would be on the front line protecting your freedom. Because that’s how he rolls. Your hero Bob Brown would be no doubt sitting by his fire in Tassie, advocating some sort of Chamberlain-like appeasement, then blaming the US for not adequately defending us because we’d stupidly run our Defence budget down.

  366. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:20 pm

    No apology then? Hoist by your own petard I would say 🙂 So why not mount a big irrelevant and personal, aggressive rant as a ‘quick, look over there’
    james, when cornered, can be counted upon to do exactly what he has just done!

    Kittylitter, you type at your keyboard quite freely due to the guts of these blokes.

    Yes, my own grandfather served in two wars and then went on to be a single parent to his 5 children, my family knows the guts of these blokes [and the horrors of war] and no, there was no glorification, there was truth told.

    Abbott Senior was sent to Australia as a child. About 15yo. In 1940. I don’t think this is in dispute. Is it?

    Didn’t they say 16 yo, now it’s 15? getting younger & younger

    You can make an argument that the Diggers who went to WW1 might have done so with a false sense of adventure etc, I don’t, but the argument could reasonably be made.

    That’s a big stretch, conscription is an adventure choice? i don’t think anyone could or would ‘reasonably’ argue that people, even the defence volunteers go to war for adventure. Most are poorer people who went for the opportunity of better, more regular wages. The wealthy ‘adventurists’ tended to find other important things to do, things that would keep them away from such excitement and adventure on the frontline. Don’y you think there’s something wrong if people see killing other people as an adventure?

  367. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:23 pm

    for reb, some humour and ‘outrage’ relief

    Gospel Truth About Gays And Cigarettes

  368. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:27 pm

    Kittylitter……utter crap. And you won’t be getting any apology from me on the non-gender specific chairman as the meaning is explained in Riddick’s Rules of Procedure. Have a read.

    ‘Chairman’ comes from when men were always in the positions of authority james – have a think.

  369. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:30 pm

    And if it all happened again, God forbid, I can guarantee you one thing. Tony Abbott would be on the front line protecting your freedom.

    Somehow, I don’t think so, he’s a bully…and a coward, as shown by his political performances and evasions, he can dish it out but cannot take it, he’s got the biggest glass jaw in politics.

  370. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:58 pm

    My uncle was in WW2, he was a few years older than my dad, both uncle and grandad were on the frontline, both returned thankfully, but not without the scars both mental and physical.

    That’s just my side of the family, there was the same war service on my husband’s side. My kids paternal g’father went to war and then came home and built his own house by hand.

    Kittylitter, you type at your keyboard quite freely due to the guts of these blokes.

    I agree that they had guts, but they have no respect for war and the lies told. If people knew the truth, no-one would ever volunteer would they, no-one would let their children serve as cannon fodder for old men who start wars but are never held responsible or accountable for them.

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:59 pm

    And I note TB is uncharacteristically silent on this issue of Abbott Senior’s service record. So I’ll say it.

    What’s to comment on, about as much interest to me as my family’s military history would be to, Tony Abbott … he’d just say “shit happens”* … why bother with Dad, Tony didn’t serve.

    *do I have to? 🙄

  372. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 2:01 pm

    Roxon certainly went over the top with the puerile attack on Abbott for answering questions at the Bali memorial.

    I think the reaction of most people would be to suggest that she’s lost the plot. Roxon is a former (exclusive & very expensive private girls school) MLC pupil, maybe the current scandal at the school has caused her to lose her judgement.

  373. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2012 2:04 pm

    The more the handbag harridans bash Abbott, the more I like him.

  374. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 21, 2012 2:17 pm

    Well, TB, you do have a history of reacting quite aggressively when the significance of service is downplayed. But maybe that’s only when it suits your politics.

  375. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 2:25 pm

    I agree with splattter on the handbag harridans…they make Abbott look like a decent type of chap. The sort that would rush into a burning house and save children.

  376. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2012 2:32 pm

    Roxon certainly went over the top with the puerile attack on Abbott for answering questions at the Bali memorial.

    The attack was for calling for a press conference there. Try to keep up.

  377. September 21, 2012 2:45 pm

    ” I can guarantee you one thing. Tony Abbott would be on the front line protecting your freedom”

    ROFLMAO!!

    Wouldn’t he be too tired, you know jetlagged somewhere or something going by past form….?

  378. September 21, 2012 2:49 pm

    “Abbott and his cohorts regularly call julia gillard ‘she’ rather than by her name, they hardly ever acknowledge her title of prime minister. …. Let’s not forget all the other examples like “no doesn’t mean no when it comes to julia’ etc.”

    Not to mention the vile slur about “making an honest woman out of her”…

    I thought that was particularly gross and offensive.

  379. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 21, 2012 3:09 pm

    Yes, Gordo, or go for a long swim and save a kid from drowning.

  380. September 21, 2012 3:19 pm

    This so-called massive poll boost Joolya is receiving doesn`t really convince me. I suspect it is more Mr-Rabbit imploding He seems to be attracting a lot of comedy aimed at him, deservingly, of course.
    http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/fetch-some-us-some-votes-tony/

  381. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 3:19 pm

    Roxon’s bizarre attack… Abbott made some announcements about assistance for victims of terrorism then answered questions.

    I suppose he could have told the journalists which questions to ask.

    Roxon has a record of being a hack; she’s living up to expectations, (the very, very expensive and exclusive) Methodist Ladies College doesn’t appear to have succeeded with Nicloa.

  382. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2012 3:31 pm

    Abbott made some announcements about assistance for victims of terrorism which he and the PM were in the midst of discussing at the time, and then launched into an attack on the Carbon Price, amongst other things.

    He called a press conference, at a memorial, and used it to score political points whilst discussions were still ongoing. He also seems to have ignored the fact that he wants this Government to pay compensation, I guess because that which the Government he was a part of wasn’t satisfactory.

    The only reason the reporters were there asking him questions is because he asked them to be there.

  383. September 21, 2012 3:36 pm

    “10. Homosexuality is the number one cause of Jim Wallace speaking in public, which is a society-wide health risk.

    Great Link Armchair, funny as!

  384. JAWS permalink
    September 21, 2012 3:41 pm

    “The more the handbag harridans bash Abbott, the more I like him.”

    Same here

    It seems that many around here have so much “emotional and credibility capital “invested in him being a total and complete arsehole as a PM that I have to think to myself.

    “What’s there not to like about a cnut like him” ?

    In fact I wish we had more of him

    The haters sure are shitting themselves………….LOL…………………………Good

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 3:49 pm

    I agree with splattter on the handbag harridans…they make Abbott look like a decent type of chap. The sort that would rush into a burning house and save children.

    1. The remark is sexist but I should be used to the male chauvenist ignorance around here …

    2. The same sort that would abandon the woman he “thought” he had got pregnant … yeah, right … the same bloke that hides from tricky questions … the same bloke that seeks advice from an Archbishop with very strange ideas (re Pell’s last appearance on Q&A) …

    … yeah I can see Abbott telling other people to rush into a burning house or just slinking around the corner … guess it depends on your perspective … BUT WHAT HAS THAT TO DO WITH BEING A PRIME MINISTER … FFS?

    Yes, Gordo, or go for a long swim and save a kid from drowning.

    You have evidence of this … or is it another “I believe” moment?

    The attack was for calling for a press conference there. Try to keep up.

    And in fact it was the families who were upset that he had turned up to politicise at a memorial … shallow as $#!t …

    Abbott made some announcements about assistance for victims of terrorism then answered questions.

    Abbott used a memorial service to his own political ends … seeking a sympathy vote from Bali survivors and the families of those killed .. (who, BTW, have received assistance …)

    It is Friday … so here’s a song fer, James ………………………

  386. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 21, 2012 4:14 pm

    I’ll see what the song is when I get home.

    Paul Duffy’s biography of Abbott tells the two rescue stories. You’ll have to buy it. Apparently didn’t stick around for photos afterwards. I think he must have still had some beer left.

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 4:19 pm

    You’ll have to buy it.

    LOL!

  388. JAWS permalink
    September 21, 2012 4:30 pm

    “…….he wants this Government to pay compensation, I guess because that which the Government he was a part of wasn’t satisfactory.”

    Oh I forgot we are still talking about the previous government aren’t we.

    What was the name of the PM back then ?

    Was it Bob Menzies,…………. Harold Holt……………..Ummmm…………..John Gorton………………..Ummmm………………Billy Hughes………….?

    Its sooooooooo long ago now I cant remember. But of course it’s all their fault. Whoever they were/are/is.

  389. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2012 5:06 pm

    “The remark is sexist”

    And rightly so in this context where male tacticians have unleashed a coven of caucus witches riding out on their righteous broomsticks to attack the evil Abbott in the most shamelessly sexist way.

    The ALP now has only one tactic – the destruction of Abbott’s character. There is a lot to dislike about Abbott, but I am utterly sickened by the depths to which the ALP has sunk with this campaign. A month ago I was seriously tossing up about Abbott and Gillard, but after the most recent unsubstantiated attacks on what Abbott allegedly did in his teens there is no way i will vote for Labor again. Also, given that the ALP has decided that there are no limits to their vindictive attack on Abbott, I see no need to spare their feelings in any future discussions. The sooner we turf the fat-arsed, lying, homewrecking cunt of a PM out of office the better.

  390. September 21, 2012 5:15 pm

    GO YOU FKN handbagz SYDNEY BLOODCLOTZ !!!

  391. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 5:23 pm

    The bloodclotz are favoured by the punters.

  392. September 21, 2012 5:29 pm

    I hope they pulverise the black & white scum from Melbourne!

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 5:31 pm

    I just deleted a longer reply to you, sp …

    I’d just be wasting my time …

    I find your post repulsive to say the least …

  394. JAWS permalink
    September 21, 2012 5:53 pm

    LOL

    I thought it was rather mild compared to the imagery of his dangleberry post the other day.

    We live in interesting times and in an era of relative austerity this is the most economically dangerous big spending government this Nation has ever seen.

    Thankfully that big spending will be their downfall.

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 5:58 pm

    We live in interesting times and in an era of relative austerity this is the most economically dangerous big spending government this Nation has ever seen.

    That must be because Wayne Swan has a tiny dick I suppose … 🙄

    “relative austerity” … hilarious coming from you, Wally …

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 6:24 pm

    Wait till Gillard runs her next version of “but, but, but…. I’m a girl….” excuse.

  397. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 6:32 pm

    ‘That must be because Wayne Swan has a tiny dick I suppose … ‘

    That’s sexist, yet politically correct.

  398. September 21, 2012 6:35 pm

    Wayne Swan is hung like a BOSS !

    Haterz be hatin’…

  399. September 21, 2012 6:39 pm

    I thought his ill advised interjection into the race for POTUS today was, errrr, ill advised.

    Reminded me of Howard campaigning for the reelection of Bush by making the retarded public comment that Jihadis everywhere were praying for an Obama victory. 🙄

    Politicians enter into the election campaigns of other countries at their peril. They’d be better off just shutting the fuck up!

    * he still packs a gigantic yoghurt rifle though…for a queenslander; probably. Bolt has an ‘inny’.

  400. September 21, 2012 6:44 pm

    But, seriously. Gender should have nothing to do with politics.

    All of them get their via inner arrogance & force of will & by not flinching when expedience compromises ideals. It has zilch to do with what’s between their legs.

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 6:49 pm

    That’s sexist, yet politically correct.

    You really are a fk simpleton!

    Or as, sreb, suggested the fkn village idiot … as one door closes (Kneels) another one opens (egg) …

  402. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 6:51 pm

    ”It has zilch to do with what’s between their legs.

    That’s true. Which is why Gillard cannot rely on being a female to provide expedient (exclusively female) diversions like “young & naïve” and then claim that her gender is being used against her.

    However regardless of her gender, she’s duplicitous. But Swan is more stupid and more duplicitous.

  403. Ground hog. Yummy. permalink
    September 21, 2012 6:56 pm

    “Abbott’s a misogynist!”

    “No he isn’t.”

    “He must be, all the women in the Labor party hate him. And they’re women!”

    “Yeah, well, Abbott is a lifesaver and saved someone. A female, probably.”

    “But his father didn’t go to war, so Abbott must be a coward.”

    “Is not.”

    “Is.”

    etcetera

  404. September 21, 2012 6:57 pm

    * d’oh!….get there

  405. Inserting himself permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:11 pm

    Wayne Swan gives an evidence-free rant denouncing the US Tea Party as “cranks and crazies” a considered speech on US politics.

    Look, a squirrel!

  406. Crazy crank permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:20 pm

    If wanting smaller government and lower taxes makes someone a crank and a crazy then I’m as cranky and as crazy as anyone. 😯

  407. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:31 pm

    ‘Or as, sreb, suggested the fkn village idiot …’

    Roswell said it before him. I don’t want to get too involved with my state of mind, but its fair to say only the left think I’m a village idiot.

  408. September 21, 2012 7:32 pm

    If you think Romney stands for anything apart from more of the same then you are a crank!

    Lip service is all he gives them. He knows he need only afford them soft placations coz they’ll never vote for the African Muslim Communist.

  409. Lake oval permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:33 pm

    GO SOUTH MELBOURNE YOU GOOD THINGS!

  410. September 21, 2012 7:34 pm

    * Romney, that would be.

  411. September 21, 2012 7:35 pm

    I definitely prefer to think of them as Sydney. All that carry over bloods crap is just obsolete Victorian nostalgia; wistful & irrelevant.

    ANYONE BUT COLLINGWOOD!!!

  412. No more years permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:36 pm

    Hopefully Romney will deliver less of the same.

  413. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:38 pm

    GO YOU FKN BLOODS!!!!!!

  414. Our game permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:40 pm

    We VFL football* fans live in the past. 😉

    *I refuse to concede this term to soccer whiners.

  415. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:42 pm

    but its fair to say only the left think I’m a village idiot.

    The guys that Swan referred to consider you a fellow traveller, as they dummy spit their way to the next Depression.

  416. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 7:49 pm

    The Cronulla Swans to win!

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:10 pm

    … as they dummy spit their way to the next Depression.

    Hear! Hear! Read your history (wot repeats itself ad nauseam!)

    Could I suggest 1914 as a starting point …

    If you are lazy … go to 1929 … (NO not 1930 … I said 1929!)

    The present situation began in 2007 (no not, in 2008) … then read about the Spanish Civil War ( sound familiar with all the kerfuffle going on in the Middle East …

    Then read about the “nationalism” across the world, in the 1930’s (after the “expansion in the 1920’s – read 1990’s to mid 2000’s), as people mentally/physically “close borders” (think of the Islam uprising and then China, Korea, Japan and then India Pakistan Afghanistan – and the mess that South America has become … just like Europe in the early 20th century … only the time and countries change – not the circumstances – primarily GREED and expansion )… will the EU “stick” or fall apart … I’ve said before the EU is NOT about economy it’s about preventing another WWII … in Europe .. the rest of the world is literally a tinder box, right now …

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:20 pm

    Depression? Australia has been nowhere near depression, and our economic strength has little to do with government spending.

    Swan remains one who thinks the best way to economic salvation is more debt. Loading future generations up with our debt is irresponsible.

    How much debt to people think we should have, and if Swan’s forecast surplus is achieved, how many years will it take to get our debt back to where it was when the ALP took office?

    Swan is a dill, as is so demonstrated by his bumbling intervention into US politics.

    Imagine if Bush had directly criticised the ALP and the unions that run it. It would have been outrageous.

  419. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:32 pm

    ‘…as they dummy spit their way to the next Depression.’

    It’s coming no matter who is at the helm.

  420. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:33 pm

    ‘The Cronulla Swans to win!’

    🙂

  421. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:36 pm

    I was talking of the yanks yomm. At least TB could follow

    It’s coming no matter who is at the helm.

    Well, your crazy mates are doing all they can to ensure it.

  422. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:43 pm

    Romney is no mate of mine, unlike Swanny I’m neutral on the US farce.

    “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”

    Karl Marx

  423. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 8:46 pm

    The tragedy was the GFC which left half the population in dire straits.

  424. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 10:44 pm

    And following on from that…now Lehman Bros have to fork out.

    ‘Justice Rares said the councils were entitled to damaged to compensate for their losses, including the capital they invested in the securities. This includes $3 million for the City of Swan, $4 million for Parkes and $9 million for Wingecarribee.

    ‘They will be entitled to more, but Justice Rares has not calculated the extent of final damages.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/lehman-ordered-to-pay-councils-millions-20120921-26bxk.html#ixzz276jijcsZ

  425. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:11 pm

    We’re going to the big dance!!!!

    Earn the right, Toilet!!

    GO YOU FKN BLOODS!! GO SOUTH!!!

  426. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:20 pm

    A Sydney AFL team is playing in the AFL Grand Final in Melbourne. And a Melbourne NRL team is playing in the NRL Grand Final in Sydney.

    20 years ago or less if you predicted it people would have laughed hysterically at you. Not with you

  427. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:37 pm

    In 2005 when the swans last won the west tigers and qld cowboys were in the NRL GF. The following year when the Swans were last in it (?) it was Melbourne v non Sydney Broncos.

  428. public toilet permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:50 pm

    Crows won’t be there this year, snacty.

    Hoping for an honourable defeat.

  429. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 22, 2012 12:03 am

    I hope all you Lefties out there enjoy your blip in the polls. Because as sure as night follows day we are in for a slowdown soon which will push up unemployment and increase the government deficit.

    That fucking idiot Swan and his pathetic PM are going to be struggling shortly.

    Higher spending means higher taxes or borrowings or both.

  430. James of North Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2012 6:55 am

    Don’t write em off, Toilet. Adelaide are a good side and Hawthorn have already started their celebrations.

  431. September 22, 2012 9:27 am

    read it and weep nutjobs…. 😉

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/mission-rethink-for-abbott-20120921-26cab.html

  432. el gordo permalink
    September 22, 2012 10:52 am

    ‘Belatedly, the Coalition will work harder to articulate a positive vision for Australia rather than just a negative attack. “This is the next phase,” says Hunt, “that he’s really only just embarking on, to offer a credible alternative government.”

    A reasonably balanced argument and the monk will lift his game, which he was loathed to do so early…because the government will steal their ideas. Like the asylum seeker fiasco.

    If he mentions infrastructure and Chinese borrowings our joolya will be onto it.

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2012 11:05 am

    It wouldn’t hurt for Wilkie and Xenephon to form an alliance and start endorsing other independents. Get some sensible people holding the balance of power, rather than bitter former Nationals driven by a “get square” attitude, and off the planet Greens.

  434. September 22, 2012 7:58 pm

    MOST HONOURABLE LOSS….EVER !!!

  435. Lies, darned lies, and statistics permalink
    September 22, 2012 8:28 pm

    Honourable? Maybe. If by honourable you mean the final score was close. But let’s take a look at the stats, shall we?:

    Scoring shots: Hawthorn 32 to Adelaide 22.
    Inside 50s: Hawthorn 64 to Adelaide 38.
    Tackles: Hawthorn 60 to Adelaide 39.

    I’m sorry, but this is science. You don’t want to be a science denier, do you? 😉

  436. el gordo permalink
    September 22, 2012 9:02 pm

    An election is in the air, joolya is out to educate students on trolls behaviour.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/anti-troll-lessons-for-the-classroom/story-e6freuy9-1226479122292

  437. el gordo permalink
    September 22, 2012 9:20 pm

    In another game far far away, the dogs are eating the rabbits.

  438. el gordo permalink
    September 22, 2012 9:52 pm

    Gerard Henderson’s Media Watch Dog has kept a score card on the Age and its dislike of Abbott.

    ‘Opinion Page. The Age has run three illustrated leading opinion pieces – all attacking Tony Abbott – from David Patch (13 September), Michelle Grattan (14 September) and Robert Manne (17 September). The Age has not run one opinion piece even slightly sympathetic to Abbott on this issue.

    ‘News Pages. The Age has run five articles by Michelle Grattan criticising Tony Abbott on this issue – along with two by Tony Wright. No article sympathetic to Abbott has been published. Abbott was also bagged in The Sunday Age’s “The Heckler” column.

    ‘Letters Page. The Age has run eight letters criticising Tony Abbott on this issue – but only three supporting him. The Age rejected at least three other letters supporting Abbott.

    ‘Cartoons. The Age has run three feature cartoons bagging Tony Abbott – who was depicted in boxing gear on each occasion.

    ‘And The Age is supposed to be a newspaper which appeals to conservative readers and advertisers as well as social democratic ones. Can you bear it?’

  439. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2012 9:52 pm

    People of good taste will be supporting the Swans next week.

    Hawthorn aren’t nice.

  440. September 22, 2012 10:15 pm

    I’m on Sydbney!

    Crows dod fervently well….provoked me into a sickie…maybe…fuck you YONY…you know those CROWW gave those Hwak cunts the biggest fright of their life !!!!

    I’m swinging with el snctos this week!! hardcore melcourne haterz…

    * googlr ingested, skinned Z& fucked haha, made ya do it…

  441. Swan songbook permalink
    September 23, 2012 3:18 pm

    Cranky-crazy stuff.

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2012 4:09 pm

    What can I say! We’re living the Tea Party Dream NOW, in Queensland!

    Go Noddy! 🙄

  443. Thirsty thinkers permalink
    September 23, 2012 6:03 pm

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2012 6:55 pm

    Thanks, ToSY, I reckon you know I’m a big fan of MP (eat yer heart out Chasers!)

    Just so you (and some of your friends here who mix up Marxism with Bolshevism – both ancient history BTW) understand why, KL and I, have a giggle when you start up …

  445. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:53 am

    So we’re after a seat on the UN Security Council, and Gillard has jetted to New York to wave the flag!!

    Here’s a proposal for using Our PM to best effect-

    1. Gillard needs to look at the dress sense of Hilary Clinton to get herself to the point of being marginally credible.
    2. Best she tomjust wanders around and smiles, rather than speak.
    3. If she needs to speak, she should take Bob Carr as a translator for those diplomats of an English speaking background…”What the Prime Minister is saying…” (thanks Bob)
    4. If the FIFA world cup bid is an indicator, Gillard will need to supply an expensive yacht and mooring to each African diplomat, that should deliver at least 0 votes.

  446. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:54 am

    tom just

  447. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:04 am

    Bob Car was on TV yesterday giving the usual “If we don’t win it was still worth it spiel”

    In other words we have not got a f**king hope of winning.

    Yeah……………only $44 Million pissed up against the wall this time to feed ex Foreign Minister Rudd’s ego.

  448. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:17 am

    Another pathological liar unearthed.

    ‘LIBERAL powerbroker Michael Kroger yesterday accused the woman who levelled allegations of physical aggression against Tony Abbott during his student years of being a serial manufacturer of false complaints against her political opponents.

    ‘Mr Kroger produced dramatically written Trotskyist student political newsletters from the late 1970s, which he said showed that then communist Barbara Ramjan had claimed that members of the rival far-left Spartacists on the University of Sydney campus had threatened to kill her.’

    Ean Higgins in the Oz

  449. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:31 am

    That will get reported on page 10 of The Age and not at all on the ABC.

  450. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 11:14 am

    NSW Senator Lee Rhiannon of the Greens used to be a Spartacist.

    And just below the surface still is

  451. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 11:53 am

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/final-201112-budget-deficit-was-473bn/story-e6frfku9-1226480115863

    Final budget deficit 2011/12 was $43,700,000,000.

    In a year the government has racked up $2200 in debt for every man, woman and child. They’ve put my household about $9,000 in debt this year alone.

    This government holds more debt on my behalf than I hold myself.

    The government has racked up debt for installing insulation, then more debt to remove it. Then the cash handouts which provided a stimulus, mainly to the gaming industry, and a billion on mini amphitheatres, and performing arts centres for schools that charge about $20k a year in fees.

    It’s irresponsible to continue to increase our economic prosperity at the expense of the future generation who will be responsible to pay it off.

  452. September 24, 2012 12:09 pm

    “It’s irresponsible to continue to increase our economic prosperity at the expense of the future generation who will be responsible to pay it off.”

    I don’t have a problem with it personally speaking.

  453. Paul Krugman permalink
    September 24, 2012 12:29 pm

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/02/opinion/krugman-nobody-understands-debt.html?_r=3smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto&

    Deficit-worriers portray a future in which we’re impoverished by the need to pay back money we’ve been borrowing. They see America as being like a family that took out too large a mortgage, and will have a hard time making the monthly payments.

    This is, however, a really bad analogy in at least two ways.

    First, families have to pay back their debt. Governments don’t — all they need to do is ensure that debt grows more slowly than their tax base. The debt from World War II was never repaid; it just became increasingly irrelevant as the U.S. economy grew, and with it the income subject to taxation.

    Second — and this is the point almost nobody seems to get — an over-borrowed family owes money to someone else; U.S. debt is, to a large extent, money we owe to ourselves.

    This was clearly true of the debt incurred to win World War II. Taxpayers were on the hook for a debt that was significantly bigger, as a percentage of G.D.P., than debt today; but that debt was also owned by taxpayers, such as all the people who bought savings bonds. So the debt didn’t make postwar America poorer. In particular, the debt didn’t prevent the postwar generation from experiencing the biggest rise in incomes and living standards in our nation’s history.

    But isn’t this time different? Not as much as you think.

    It’s true that foreigners now hold large claims on the United States, including a fair amount of government debt. But every dollar’s worth of foreign claims on America is matched by 89 cents’ worth of U.S. claims on foreigners. And because foreigners tend to put their U.S. investments into safe, low-yield assets, America actually earns more from its assets abroad than it pays to foreign investors. If your image is of a nation that’s already deep in hock to the Chinese, you’ve been misinformed. Nor are we heading rapidly in that direction.

    Now, the fact that federal debt isn’t at all like a mortgage on America’s future doesn’t mean that the debt is harmless. Taxes must be levied to pay the interest, and you don’t have to be a right-wing ideologue to concede that taxes impose some cost on the economy, if nothing else by causing a diversion of resources away from productive activities into tax avoidance and evasion. But these costs are a lot less dramatic than the analogy with an overindebted family might suggest.

    And that’s why nations with stable, responsible governments — that is, governments that are willing to impose modestly higher taxes when the situation warrants it — have historically been able to live with much higher levels of debt than today’s conventional wisdom would lead you to believe. Britain, in particular, has had debt exceeding 100 percent of G.D.P. for 81 of the last 170 years. When Keynes was writing about the need to spend your way out of a depression, Britain was deeper in debt than any advanced nation today, with the exception of Japan.

    Of course, America, with its rabidly antitax conservative movement, may not have a government that is responsible in this sense. But in that case the fault lies not in our debt, but in ourselves.

    So yes, debt matters. But right now, other things matter more. We need more, not less, government spending to get us out of our unemployment trap. And the wrongheaded, ill-informed obsession with debt is standing in the way.

    Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics. On October 13, 2008, it was announced that Mr. Krugman would receive the Nobel Prize in Economics.

    I wonder who knows more of what he’s talking about here? A Nobel laureate or Tom of Melbourne?

    Federal government debt:
    US gross debt is 100.8% of GDP.
    Australian gross debt is ~18% of GDP.
    US net debt is 69.9% of GDP.
    Australian net debt is ~9% of GDP.

  454. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2012 12:40 pm

    What can I say! We’re living the Tea Party Dream NOW, in Queensland!

    Premier Campbell Newman says Queensland Government will be ‘the best’ in Australia; ASK Campbell Newman for the philosophy behind his plans to reshape Queensland’s public service and he’ll show you a diagram that looks like a spider’s web.

  455. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:10 pm

    “….We need more, not less, government spending to get us out of our unemployment trap. And the wrongheaded, ill-informed obsession with debt is standing in the way. ”

    So the Germans and the Rest of The World are wrong and Greece is in fact an economic miracle that everyone else refuses to recognise as such……………..ROFLMAO

    I’d put my money on ToM actually

  456. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:16 pm

    “…“It’s irresponsible to continue to increase our economic prosperity at the expense of the future generation who will be responsible to pay it off.”…”

    “….I don’t have a problem with it personally speaking…”

    Nor do I, they will have a better quality of life with the NBN, NDIS, Education reform and dental schemes.

    They don’t seem to have the same problem with leaving future generations with enormous debt and clean up burdens due to their climate change denial.

    I say throw in free uni and reform medicare and education back to whitlam’s days, stop funding organised religion [billions saved there], private health and schooling and we’ll truly feel like the lucky country again!

    Might as well go the whole hog and give water and electricity back to public ownership.

    I’m happy to pay more tax for a shared prosperity and a happier nation of people. I think this neoliberal life has turned australians into a nation of nasty and self obsessed bigots only concerned about rat running through life as a corporate slave.

    *there, that should be enough to keep the cranks and crazies outraging about while I’m at work 🙂 *

  457. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:19 pm

    I really like Paul Krugman the poster but I especially like Mr Krugman the Economist … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So the Germans and the Rest of The World are wrong

    No-one actually said that … (well you did) … but how do you think all those solar panels ended up on all those German roofs?

    The reason Germany has done so well is because it LOST WWII and gained enormous assistance (debt free money) from the US … the real losers were the Allies of Europe …

    I’d put my money on ToM actually

    Yep, the local butcher will always tell you how to fix ya car too? 😆

  458. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:25 pm

    How much debt would you prefer Paul?

    The current federal government deficit runs at over 4% of GDP – per year.

    A few years of debt running at the current level will provide us with a world class debt. Something we can get genuinely, seriously anxious about.

    Increasing public sector debt, combined with falling commodity prices and declining investment in mining, and plenty of empty retail, that’s a great legacy to hand on to the kids.

  459. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:27 pm

    So the Germans and the Rest of The World are wrong and Greece is in fact an economic miracle that everyone else refuses to recognise as…

    The ‘austerity for everyone but the wealthy’ is wrong. The people suffering so that bankers don’t pay for any of their own greed and bad management is wrong. Greece is a nation of tax avoiders and that is why they are in the shit, so yes, we do need people to stop being selfish and be happy to pay more tax to support the services that give people a decent life. More tax = better life for all. Stop bailing out banks and regulate them to the hilt.

  460. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:28 pm

    Noice to see you back, Meta!

    from you link (thanks!)

    Newman talks of ministers and their directors-general in this tradition model as “feudal barons”.

    Does he mean Robber Barons? He has to clear the way … to insert his acolytes and develop a pathway for the brown paper bags … the gold will flow, make no mistake … I’ve lived through this crap before …

    Fk me … and the photo at the top of the page, on the left, has a familiar ring to it too …

    Just a pity, JBP, probably didn’t end up where he thought he would (liars, cheats and thieves rarely do) ( 😉 ) …. otherwise he’d be beaming down on, Noddy, right now! 🙄

    It constantly astounds me that the “rightous” are always so nastily disposed …

  461. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:35 pm

    “Greece is a nation of tax avoiders and that is why they are in the shit, …………”

    And Spain (full of empty apartments) and Italy (full of 50 year old retirees) ?

    Would you care to give us your analysis

  462. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:37 pm

    They see America as being like a family that took out too large a mortgage, and will have a hard time making the monthly payments.

    I know paul, it is this loony tea party notion of equating national debt and complex financial systems to sitting around the kitchen table and paying the household bills. Really simple stuff for really simple minds, the liberals run with this stupidity too. Unfortunately, a campaigning media won’t allow an opposing voice to be heard.

  463. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:37 pm

    A few years of debt running at the current level will provide us with a world class debt. Something we can get genuinely, seriously anxious about.

    Time to remove the baby bonus, fringe benefit tax, increase income tax over $150,000, re-assess any tax breaks for households earning over $150,000 … even then you won’t be close to paying anywhere near the tax paid before the 1990’s … oh and bring back compulsory national service for two years for all 18 year olds …

    Talk about a bunch of precious me,me,me,me flowers …

    Howard/Costello had a budget surplus … but they DIDN’T DO anything with it … and the big difference between households and governments is that governments don’t fkn DIE!

  464. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:40 pm

    I’d put my money on ToM actually

    Well that’s money you’ll never see again 😉

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:40 pm

    Would you care to give us your analysis …

    Here’s mine PAY MORE FKN TAX!

  466. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:48 pm

    A few years of debt running at the current level will provide us with a world class debt. Something we can get genuinely, seriously anxious about.

    hahaha, who would’ve thought the country is doing very well and australians are prospering and aspiring to live the celebrity lifestyle that they see on their TVs and then consuming all the ‘pretties’ that they can get their hands on.

    Another fear and smear campaign, I think that really is the only genuine liberal party policy – how to turn every single thing in people’s daily lives into a great big fear campaign “they’ll only vote for us if they are shit scared” 😆

  467. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:49 pm

    Oh Dear…………..

    “……According to Harvard professor of economics Robert Barro, Krugman “has never done any work in Keynesian macroeconomics” and makes arguments that are politically convenient for him. Nobel laureate Edward Prescott charged that Krugman “doesn’t command respect in the profession”, as “no respectable macroeconomist” believes that economic stimulus works.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman#Economics_and_policy_recommendations

  468. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:52 pm

    “….and the big difference between households and governments is that governments don’t fkn DIE! ”

    Maybe………..but other Nations then refuse to lend anymore of their own hard earned to a bunch of wankers just pissing it up against a wall.

  469. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2012 2:09 pm

    “NSW Senator Lee Rhiannon of the Greens used to be a Spartacist.”

    I think you’ll find that Lee was CPA and then, when the CPA criticised the Soviet jackbooted crushing of the Prague Spring, she went over to the SPA, a new and more loyal Soviet lapdog. She said at the time: “I much prefer licking Soviet arse. It tastes better owing to the vodka-marinated stools of the Politburo.” Or something like that.

    Given the similarities it is unsurprising that she switched to the Greens after the collapse of the Soviet Union. She is emblematic of the rotting red innards of that stinking watermelon party.

  470. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 2:28 pm

    as “no respectable macroeconomist” believes that economic stimulus works.”

    Interesting following the link where that quote came from

    The main thing economists are battling over is whether the U.S. economy needs a large jolt of government spending. Those who think so—probably a majority—say the economy is at risk of sinking into a self-sustaining spiral, where a drop-off in consumer spending forces companies to cut jobs, leading to further cutbacks by consumers, and so on into a deeper hole.

    http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2009-03-08/economists-rush-to-disagree-about-crisis-solutionsbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

    Prescott appears to be in the vast minority when he declares that “no respectable macroeconomist”. I guess it depends on your interpretation of ‘respectable’. Obviously, anyone who disagrees, isn’t ‘respectable’.

  471. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:00 pm

    If given the choice, would any government prefer less debt or more?

    It’s always odd that the very people who vehemently argue that we need a carbon tax to look after the interests of future generations are the same people who are willing to load up the next generation with the debt used to “stimulate” the economy in our CURRENT economic interests.

  472. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:02 pm

    I’m not sure I’m as qualified as the economists linked.

    But I’m certain that I’m more qualified in economics than the current treasurer.

  473. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:03 pm

    But I’m certain that I’m more qualified in economics than the current treasurer.

    OOH, then it must really sting the he got voted WORLDS BEST TREASURER as they overlooked you 😉

  474. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:04 pm

    Maybe………..but other Nations then refuse to lend anymore of their own hard earned to a bunch of wankers just pissing it up against a wall.

    You may not have noticed (comprehension level can be low around here – 😉 ) but we don’t live in the Septic Tank nor do we live in the EU Pig Trough …

    Why do people always think they aren’t Australians anymore?

    … where a drop-off in consumer spending forces companies to cut jobs

    And the retailers HERE … jump on the bandwagon … profit drops 1% and they have a heart attack and want more from the government … you’ve only got to listen the the wandering warbles of Geriatric Harvey to realise they “just don’t get it” … the world economy and how we do business has changed! The Yanks saw to that in 2007 …

    There is NO ECONOMIC CURE FOR GREEDY BANKS AND RETAILERS … if they won’t come in from the cold they will eventually be left there … welcome to the digital age … (three days to get a digital paymeny approved in 2012 is only one thing … robbery … The Robber Barons are struggling … its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ when the real answer to making money** is SERVICE …

    ** and winning elections!

  475. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:05 pm

    ‘…and clean up burdens due to their climate change denial.’

    guffaw

  476. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:05 pm

    But I’m certain that I’m more qualified in economics than the current treasurer.

    More BS …

  477. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:19 pm

    The more I read and experience the more I come around to the view that Economics as a profession is up there with Meteorology.

    They can say what happened with precision.
    They can’t say why it happened with any precision.
    And they can’t say what will happen with any precision AT ALL.

  478. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:22 pm

    Having a sound economy didn’t prove Costello was a master economist, and it didn’t save Howard. Swan’s good economic luck won’t save him either.

    A few questions…

    • But why are the ALP supporters so willing to transfer money from the next generation to themselves?

    • Why do they continue with the fallacy that debt is fine, and its money we’re NOW entitled to?

    • Why do they carry on about their responsibility in having a carbon tax to rescue future generations, while limiting their policy and taxation options by loading them up with our debt?

    The most likely answer…

    • Because they prefer the “vibe” of policy, to its reality.

  479. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:24 pm

    Good observation Sancty.

  480. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:27 pm

    The more I read and experience the more I come around to the view that Economics as a profession is up there with Meteorology.

    I once said something similar in a group at a management seminar, James, we were talking about business degrees and I said all economics students need was to invent a theory that no-one could prove or disprove and they graduated … the four blokes I was talking to pissed ’emselves laughing … they all had a degree in economics! And all agreed!

  481. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:30 pm

    Good observation Sancty.

    He’s just echoing his hero, Keating

  482. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:34 pm

    I see ToM’s getting a bit shrill …

    Having a sound economy didn’t prove Costello was a master economist, and it didn’t save Howard. Swan’s good economic luck won’t save him either.

    First bit is right … Tip Custard had no idea … and Howard’s stint as Treasurer was disastrous … as for Swan’s “economic good luck” … not sure I would call the GFC landing on our doorstep “good luck” … even Tip reckoned it was an economic tsunami …

    The pressure on the Liberal Opposition is starting to show in some of your posts, ToM, cup of tea and alie down perhaps?

    BTW … if the ALP’s perormance in the last Queensland election was influenced by the Federal Government … do you think that the performance of Noddy Newman and whatsisname O’Farrell might have had an influence Federally on the Opposition … what goes around comes around …

  483. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:44 pm

    I see ToM’s getting a bit shrill …

    A bit ❓

    I’d be shrill too, if someone so obviously far less qualified than myself got voted WORLDS BEST TREASURER instead of me (stamps foot)

  484. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 3:51 pm

    So TomR advocates ordering in some more ink and getting those printing presses going. Lets print more money so we can debase the currency.

    One will the Lunatic Left realise that governments have to tax or borrow to get their cash.

    Printing money just devalues everyone’s cash holdings.

    Its taxation by stealth.

    TomR is the Number One supporter……………………..TB seems to like the idea……………..and Kitty prefers we go back to a village bartering system.

    🙂

  485. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:00 pm

    So TomR advocates ordering in some more ink and getting those printing presses going.

    You’ll have to point me to that comment, I appear to have forgotten saying it 😉

    Or are you trying to words in my mouth again 😆

  486. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:07 pm

    “Or are you trying to words in my mouth again”

    Which of the 3 do you prefer ?

    *Tax more

    *Borrow more

    *Print more (same as tax more in reality)

  487. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:09 pm

    ‘Which of the 3 do you prefer ?’

    This will be rich.

  488. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:13 pm

    Everything in moderation (except perhaps beer)

  489. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:14 pm

    This will be rich.

    ooo, it feels almost like I’m being haunted 😆

  490. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:20 pm

    Or are you trying to words in my mouth again

    Exactly my thoughts!

    Or, maybe its because he doesn’t know how to cut and paste “actual” comments … and address them …

    … or maybe because he’s got one of them Liberal Party Cracked Crystal Balls from 2007 and “hears” the voices … 😯

  491. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:24 pm

    More debt…”in moderation”

    Is having debt running at 4.5% of GDP is moderate?

  492. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:30 pm

    “… or maybe because he’s got one of them Liberal Party Cracked Crystal Balls from 2007 and “hears” the voices …”

    I doubt it as I voted for Rudd partly based on his statement that he was an “economic conservative” which proved to be just another Lie to add to the ALPs growing list.

  493. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:33 pm

    “Everything in moderation”

    So clearly you do advocate ordering a few more barrels of ink and getting the presses going.

    How quaint.

    Seems like you share the same views as Pauline Hanson

  494. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:43 pm

    So clearly you do advocate ordering a few more barrels of ink and getting the presses going.

    Where do you “read” that FFS?

    that he was an “economic conservative”

    He probably still is … I often wonder how Costello and Howard would have dealt with the GFC …

  495. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:44 pm

    Keating said that? If so, then it’s one thing I agree with him about.

    And given it, then the less the Government interferes with the economy, the better.

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:50 pm

    Time for some Liberal National Party political history …

  497. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 4:58 pm

    So TomR advocates ordering in some more ink and getting those printing presses going. Lets print more money so we can debase the currency.

    Had to come back to, Wally’s, statement, it’s bugging me, when was “more money” printed in Australia?

    The only person talking about printing money here is, Wally?

  498. Different schools of thought permalink
    September 24, 2012 5:14 pm

    Not all Nobel Laureates in Economics are Keynesians. Friedrich Hayek and James Buchanan from the Austrian School, and Ronald Coase, George Stigler, Milton Friedman, Robert Fogel, Gary Becker and Robert Lucas of the Chicago School would all disagree with Paul Krugman.

  499. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 5:25 pm

    The only person talking about printing money here is, Wally?

    He’s probably referring to my ‘everything in moderation’ comment TB

  500. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 5:29 pm

    And no, I am not advocating printing money (before jaws tries to claim more)

  501. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 5:31 pm

    So TomR believes in taxing more and borrowing immoderately.

  502. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 5:41 pm

    So TomR believes in taxing more and borrowing immoderately.

    LOL!

    Why should he pick any? Fkn born to rule kicks in again … I say you do … 🙄

    I know, let’s stick TomR on a chair over a lake and dunk him for five minutes … if he survives he’s a witch and we’ll execute him … if he dies he’s not …

  503. JAWS permalink
    September 24, 2012 5:44 pm

    “So TomR believes in taxing more and borrowing immoderately. “

    Yes it seems so

    The problem is that eventually he’ll need to borrow a little more on his already “maxed out national credit card” to clear his 90 day account with his ink supplier (who will have put him on “Stop Supply”) so he can then buy some more barrels to print even more money .

    But no one will be willing to lend it to him.

  504. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:11 pm

    Talking of ‘quantitative easing’…they say the US Fed is in the hands of a non-monetarist.

    ‘But monetarists of all stripes concur on the one key point. Bernanke blew it at a crucial moment. Thankfully, his Great Depression scholarship alerted him to the dangers thereafter. We have avoided a 1931 sequel so far.

    ‘Less clear is whether US money has been too tight ever since, trapping America in a
    Japanese Lost Decade. Less clear yet is whether a third blast of quantitative easing (QE3) at this late stage is wise.’

    Ambrose Evans Pritchard

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:17 pm

    Yes it seems so

    FMD! It’s unstoppable … the BS, I mean …

  506. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:22 pm

    But monetarists of all stripes concur on the one key point. Bernanke blew it at a crucial moment. Thankfully, his Great Depression scholarship alerted him to the dangers thereafter.

    Ain’t hindsight wonderful … should have been crucified!

    What is a fkn monetarist anyway?

    You should have been around in 2006, egg … a couple of us here and in other places (and I refer to John McPhilbin and your’s truly) were already TELLING the buggers!

    And being ridiculed as scare mongers, by certain others still here …

  507. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:26 pm

    Actually TB, the term is Warlock 😉

    Meanwhile, jaws wants jobs to go.

  508. September 24, 2012 6:40 pm

    “Meanwhile, jaws wants jobs to go.”

    I’ve always maintained throughout my entire working life that no business (or government for that matter), would ever be successful if the bean counters were left to make business decisions. They’d never invest in anything….

    Just as well most CEOs think along the same lines..

  509. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:48 pm

    Just as well most CEOs think along the same lines..

    Groupthink ❓

  510. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:49 pm

    Well TB, most sensible people acknowledged that there was an unsustainable level of debt, and that a severe correction was likely.

    But I’ll remind you that you tipped unemployment of 12%, and it reached about half that.

    On the other hand, I’ve always maintained that the mining industry and the pipeline of investment would shield us from the worst of the downturn.

    So it looks to me as if I was right.

  511. September 24, 2012 7:00 pm

    “Groupthink”

    I doubt it. Most if not all, of the CEOs I’ve worked with have been prepared to take calculated risks.

    By contrast, I’ve never met an accountant that was prepared to invest in anything without doing so begrudingly…

  512. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:02 pm

    Actually TB, the term is Warlock

    Actually, TomR, witches applies to MEN too … (too much LoR I suspect) .. however men were not subject to the Inquisitions like women …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    !. The debt was caused by banking greed (actually beginning here as the GFC struck!)

    2. The 12% (yes I did) was based on action (stupid – retraction by governments) ) in 1929 … luckily .. our ALP government was awake at the wheel …

    So it looks to me as if I was right.

    Hindsight is a woonderful thing, ToM ….

  513. Waste not permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:17 pm

    Individuals allocate resources more efficiently than governments. Smaller government and lower taxation leads to everyone being better off.

  514. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:37 pm

    Smaller government and lower taxation leads to everyone being better off.

    You should let the Norwegians in on that Wastey 😉

  515. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:41 pm

    I’d like to know how much debt Tom R thinks we should leave to the next generation.

  516. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:44 pm

    I’d like to know how many jobs yomm is happy with us losing?

  517. September 24, 2012 7:44 pm

    “I’d like to know how much debt Tom R thinks we should leave to the next generation.”

    All of it!

  518. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:50 pm

    So Tom R, creating jobs that load up the next generation with their cost is OK?

    We can have our children pay of our economic growth? You don’t think there’s an ethical problem with loading them up with the cost of our economic policies?

  519. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 7:54 pm

    You don’t think there is an ethical problem with them growing up in an unemployed household?

  520. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:02 pm

    I think there’s a problem with a government that holds more debt on my behalf than I hold myself.

    It still goes back to the panic that set into the government, they over reacted and spent the lot. Now Swan is politically locked into a surplus fetish.

    I think it is up the current generation to pay for their own economic policies. The notion that it’s fine to transfer payment for our jobs to our kids is irresponsible and unethical (in my opinion).

  521. Oil's well permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:03 pm

    Norway’s huge oils and gas exports afford it a high standard of living in spite of government policy, not because of it. (A bit like Australia and its mineral exports, actually.)

  522. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:04 pm

    I think there’s a problem with a government that holds more debt on my behalf than I hold myself.

  523. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:05 pm

    He updated it to correct his hockeynomics. It was $34/month 😉

  524. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:08 pm

    I’ve seen the analogy – GDP isn’t income, it’s turnover.

  525. TORY BACARDI (2 bucks an hour is inflationary) permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:14 pm

    “You should have been around in 2006, egg … a couple of us here and in other places (and I refer to John McPhilbin and your’s truly) were already TELLING the buggers!”

    I think you might be referring to the GFC that had already hit in 2007 when you two were talking about it. But you were also talking about Depression and property values of 30% down and 20% unemployment.

    I disputed your views at the time as did ToM and a few of us other Rightwing Dingbats.

    Seems we were right and you were …………..very wrong

    There it’s all corrected for you

  526. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:23 pm

    “By contrast, I’ve never met an accountant that was prepared to invest in anything without doing so begrudingly…”

    Oh ……….There goes my SMSF

    Maybe i will liquidate it tomorrow……..and fund the Deficit with a massive CGT Bill.

    But I wont

  527. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:38 pm

    “Meanwhile, jaws wants jobs to go.”

    Let me correct that for you TomR.

    I think you mean I want “positions ” abolished and bodies cast upon the street.

    A “job” requires actual work needing to be done.

    The backroom of the Federal PS serves no purpose other than to harbour bludgers. There are no actual jobs to be lost.

  528. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:55 pm

    The problem with some of the ALP barrackers is they compare GDP to income.

    A better analogy is one where a small business turns over $100k. This is likely to produce a profit of (say) $6k-$7k.

    If out of this they have a debt of $10k and interest payments of $400, it takes on a more realistic perspective.

    It seems that Tom R and the barrackers really don’t get the difference between turnover and income.

  529. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:56 pm

    Seems Finland & Luxembourg are the favourites to get the Security Council seat because they have the backing of the EU

    Why the hell are the EU backing those guys ?

    Surely the EU is appreciative of Julia’s brilliant economic advice that they should look to Australia that she gave them at the last G20. ?

    Geeeeeeez…………….all that great advice and this is the thanks you get.

  530. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 24, 2012 11:30 pm

    Quote of the Day is…………….

    “Good work Penny”

    Faaaaaaaaaaark……………..Swan is an idiot

    Booming commodity prices and they continue to borrow in order to spend.

  531. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:20 am

    It seems that Tom R and the barrackers really don’t get the difference between turnover and income.

    In much the same way that you don’t get the difference between massive and minor. The borrowings we have are minor for an economy our size, which, when ‘compared’ as the kouk did above, puts it into a perspective. They are not meant to be equivalences, but comparisons.

    $34/month. And you cry like its the end of the world.

    And jaws wants tradies and labourers to lose their jobs, their kids to grow up unemployed.

    You prefer people to live in poverty due to the excesses of others, when we have the means and capacity to avert it.

    Faaaaaaaaaaark…………….. and apparently, Swan is the idiot 😯

  532. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:45 am

    Swan is an idiot.

    ‘jaws wants tradies and labourers to lose their jobs’

    That’s BS TomR (their jobs are safe) its the useless PS bureaucracy that needs to be culled, health and education are being trimmed back in NSW and Qld.

    And when the Coalition captures the treasury benches in Canberra they will also dismantle the Klimatariat and global warming will stop.

  533. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:49 am

    Obviously I’m not in a position to comment on this story.

    ‘ELDERLY Australians committing welfare fraud on a massive scale are behind the extraordinarily high number of $100 notes in circulation, a former senior Reserve Bank official says.

    ‘Yesterday the Herald revealed there are now 10 $100 notes in circulation for each Australian, far more than the more commonly seen $20 notes.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-grey-economy-how-retirees-rort-the-pension-20120924-26hku.html#ixzz27QFKUPNX

  534. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:59 am

    Yea….good policy.

    ‘ELDERLY hospital patients will have their average stay cut by almost two weeks under a new model of care, as part of a range of strategies to help save the NSW hospital system millions of dollars.

    ‘The health system has to make $2.2 billion in savings over four years, with an additional budget cut of $775 million in the same period.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hospital-stays-for-elderly-to-be-halved-in-cutbacks-20120924-26hig.html#ixzz27QHZi0DA

  535. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 7:45 am

    That’s BS TomR (their jobs are safe)

    Yes, thanks to the Government borrowing money to get us through the GFC

    Do try to keep up ghost who dribbles

  536. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 7:54 am

    ‘thanks to the Government borrowing money to get us through the GFC’

    The tradies feasted big time and only now are they starting to dribble back, competing with each other and offering reasonable quotes.

    It was a completely unnecessary over reaction by Swan to the GFC, but the good news is that the generation who pissed it up against the wall with have to pay it off for years to come. Quite a hangover.

  537. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 7:56 am

    …pissed it up against the wall will have to pay…

  538. September 25, 2012 7:56 am

    “That’s BS TomR (their jobs are safe)”

    The latest Performance of Construction Index from the AI Group dropped to 32.6 in July; a reading below 50 indicates the sector is contracting.

    The construction sector has now been shrinking for more than two years.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-07/construction-slows-again/4183990

    is it too much to ask that egg occasionally consult reality before blurting out any old crap….?

  539. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:00 am

    When the tradies compete naturally I see the free market working as it should…without unnecessary government stimulus which is inflationary.

  540. September 25, 2012 8:03 am

    So you would’ve preferred to have seen mass unemployment in Australia immediately after the GFC. Thanks for confirming. The Liberal party had the same idea.

  541. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:07 am

    is it too much to ask that egg occasionally consult reality before blurting out any old crap….?

    But then we’d never hear from him.

    Oh, hang on, you could be onto something here reb 😉

  542. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:08 am

    There would not have been massive unemployment after the GFC, the government overreacted by a long shot.

  543. September 25, 2012 8:12 am

    “There would not have been massive unemployment after the GFC.”

    The economic “wisdom” of egg. 🙄

    A nation of economists disagree with you.

  544. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:18 am

    There would not have been massive unemployment after the GFC

    How do you work that one out?

  545. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:19 am

    The economic “wisdom” of egg.

    Closely matched by his scientific ‘wishdom’

  546. September 25, 2012 8:21 am

    “How do you work that one out?”

    Jaws told him.

  547. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:27 am

    Jaws told him.

    ROFL

    Was that before or after he ran him over with the 4WD?

  548. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:28 am

    Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has listed the rollout of a national broadband network as one of the reasons he wants to become an Australian.

    http://afr.com/p/technology/wozniak_likes_australia_broadband_lz4NGUtmpS2PvD55EJ4eoL

    Suck on that, churnbull

  549. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:29 am

    ‘Jaws told him.’

    This may come as a shock, but I’ve reached the age when I can think for myself on the economy and CC science.

  550. September 25, 2012 8:33 am

    Perhaps you could answer Tom’s question then….

    “How do you work that one out?”

    Or ar we just meant to take your extraordinary statement “There would not have been massive unemployment after the GFC” on face value, you know like “interest rates will always be lower under a Coalition government?”

    Guffaw…

  551. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:48 am

    “jaws wants tradies and labourers to lose their jobs”

    No I dont

    24,000 additional Canberra public servants since November 2007. I doubt too many are tradies or labourers.

    “So you would’ve preferred to have seen mass unemployment in Australia immediately after the GFC.”

    Sure if they are just back office public servants who are filling positions not actual jobs. I have no problem with them being made suddenly unemployed. Better we pay them a pittance on the dole than say $60K p.a. to occupy a desk.

    We could use all those positions of $60K to increase the pay of nurses for instance.

    There are something like 4,000 useless prats in the Federal Education Department. Yet it does not manage a single school.

    Then there’s the Health Department which with the exception of one hospital in Tasmania has nothing to do with running state hospitals.

  552. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:48 am

    but I’ve reached the age when I can think for myself on the economy and CC science.

    I’m pretty sure ‘think’ isn’t the word to be using here 😆

  553. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:50 am

    No I dont

    So then you support the Government borrowing money to support those tradies jobs during the GFC?

  554. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:10 am

    I think you’ll find that very few $900 cheques were spent on building work. Although electronics guys involved in the repair of overworked poker machines probably did benefit.

    And the BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls. Part of Keynsian economics requires stimulus money to be spent on economically productive assets not crap like school halls which are have no direct future economic benefit.

    And you dont need to be a tradesman to lay insulation.

  555. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:18 am

    I’ve seen the analogy – GDP isn’t income, it’s turnover.

    Fkn EXACTLY. Possum is just as bad. They adopt this position of superior knowledge but anyone with half a brain and the willingness to check soon realises they are frauds.

    There is a BIG problem with mounting debt if your income is consistently not matching your expenditure and your income is reasonably likely to drop in the short to medium term.

  556. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:21 am

    I think you’ll find that very few $900 cheques were spent on building work.

    Let’s forget then that the $900 cheques were not geared to tradies, but more targeted to shop assistants. Targeted amnesia we’ll call it 😉

    And the BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.

    You obviously have no understanding of what schools do. Our local one, as many around the area, in addition to the extra activities they use them for at school (not having to rent out halls for disco’s) actually get to rent out their own halls, bringing in money to the school.

    And you dont need to be a tradesman to lay insulation.

    see above

    “And jaws wants tradies and labourers to lose their jobs”

    Do try and pay closer attention paws.

  557. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:25 am

    but anyone with half a brain and the willingness to check soon realises they are frauds.

    Are you referring to the IMF there ❓ 😆

  558. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:32 am

    • The government increases debt on behalf of each family by about $200 a week for the past few years (every week), and there’s nothing to worry about!

    • An analogy used (I’ve also seen Gillard use the same one), confuses “income” with “turnover” and there’s nothing to worry about.

    • We also apparently shouldn’t worry that Swan fudged the figures to justify the watering down of the MRRT, and now finds that there is no revenue in it.

    Public debt is increasing at a very rapid rate, the legitimate concern isn’t simply the absolute level, it is the rate at which this government is allowing it to increase.

  559. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:43 am

    “….but more targeted to shop assistants.”

    Really……………….got a Link.

    “Our local one, as many around the area, in addition to the extra activities they use them for at school (not having to rent out halls for disco’s) actually get to rent out their own halls, bringing in money to the school.”

    So TomR reckons a couple of discos each term and a Pilates class each week justifies a new school hall.

    What can one say except…………………………….ROFLMAO

  560. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:53 am

    “….but more targeted to shop assistants.”

    Really……………….got a Link.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail-bodies-divided-on-stimulus-20090213-86z5.html

    I don’t see them asking the tradies about it 🙂

    I think you’ll find that very few $900 cheques were spent on building work.

    Really……………….got a Link.

    So TomR reckons a couple of discos each term and a Pilates class each week justifies a new school hall.

    Really……………….got a Link. 😉

  561. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:02 am

    In my town a lot of $900 stimulus cheques were spent, as the government implored them to do, on instant gratification.

    Entirely unnecessary.

  562. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:05 am

    Since TomR advocates a continuing borrowing strategy to fund his out of control government spending we await his blistering criticism of Mr Swan for his relentless and obviously irresponsible pursuit of a Budget Surplus.

    That goes against everything TomR believes in.

  563. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:07 am

    Since TomR advocates a continuing borrowing strategy to fund his out of control government spending

    Really……………….got a Link.

    Either for where I said that, or the ‘out of control government spending’

    Both would be good 😉

  564. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:09 am

    So how much rent does your local school hall bring in each year compared to its cost ?

    You must know to justify the expenditure in the first place.

    Give us some figures so we can work out the rate of return

    LOL

  565. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:12 am

    But you were also talking about Depression and property values of 30% down and 20% unemployment.

    I disputed your views at the time as did ToM and a few of us other Rightwing Dingbats.

    Seems we were right and you were …………..very wrong

    There it’s all corrected for you

    What JMc and I were talking about was the coming “big nosedive” of the market (ie the GFC) … you lot were calling us doomsayers and we were in the middle of a mining boom …

    … what JMc and I were talking about was the consequences similar to 1930 IF nothing was done when it did come and if you had money invested …

    I have friends and acquaintenaces who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because they listened to Rightwing Dingbats … and still haven’t recovered!

    … BTW we were talking about it at Blogocracy in 2005 … long before we even knew it would be called the GFC!

    A nd if you think we were off the mark the US still has 10% unemployment and some EU countries higher than that … just because you think it doesn’t make it so …

    … problem with Rightwing Dingbats is that they have ve-e-e-e-e-ry short memories or memories of convenience …

    As for school halls … one of the best innovations in the country …

  566. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:33 am

    “I have friends and acquaintenaces who lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because they listened to Rightwing Dingbats … and still haven’t recovered!”

    As opposed to the investment advice of Leftwing Dingbats

    And how is Metal Storm going……..?………LOL

    Clearly your friends do not believe in investing in Blue Chips.

  567. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:42 am

    You must know to justify the expenditure in the first place.

    Have you read the BER report paws? Here’s a starter for ya

    http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/anao-report-on-ber-fact-meets-narrative.html

    still awaiting your links …. patiently …. despairingly……. 😦

  568. September 25, 2012 10:43 am

    “Timber company Gunns enters administration after losing financial support bit.ly/QuxbYB

    Oh how we laughed!

    Couldn’t have happened to a “nicer bunch” of ” people”…

  569. September 25, 2012 10:47 am

    Trust you dont have any clients holding Gunns shares Jaws. … 😯

  570. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:50 am

    Gunns and Paperlinx are ongoing disasters in the timber and paper world.

    None of my clients go near that shit

  571. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:52 am

    You made the statement that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.

    Would you care to share those figures with us ?

  572. September 25, 2012 10:52 am

    I wonder how John Gay’s insider trading court case is going….

    Guffaw!

  573. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:53 am

    Chart 2 demonstrates that Australia has a low debt level by international standards, but it is increasing as quickly as any other comparable county.

    Chart 6 illustrates that in 5 years we have gone from net debt of -5% (ie assets) to 5% debt, a 10% change in 5 years!!

    If anyone thinks this is health economic policy, they have no idea. It is simply pinching the taxes off the next generation to pay for our profligacy.

    http://archive.treasury.gov.au/documents/1496/PDF/01_Debt.pdf

  574. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:58 am

    You made the statement that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.

    No I didn’t. I used it to rebut your claim that “BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.”

    What is wrong with peoples comprehension skills, or is it merely their desire to have people say what they want them to?

    Still awaiting all those links you obviously cannot produce

  575. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:00 am

    And how is Metal Storm going……..?………LOL

    Mate, I only dabble these days …

    Metalstorm is under administration (For the information of others) … if I lose, I lose … I like the product and it was always a gamble, (I only have a few thousand $$’s invested) … as are most start up companies … and the shouting’s not over yet … 😉

    My NIB shares are doing well …

    Its a very careful investor (ie low returns) who never suffers a loss … we’re not all Robber Barons or wannabe WCP … 🙄

    Before I retired I sold all my shares at a 78% profit and the lot went into super – Centrelink don’t see super as an asset until you are 65 … shares are noticed. Useful for benefits … ie Low Income Health Card … before you are eligible for the pension

    As for Clearly your friends do not believe in investing in Blue Chips.

    … most of my acquaintences lost a lot of their super … some lost money in shares and others in property … some in all of them

    (I retired in 2005 and have more capital now than I started with – I took my own advice in 2006 … 🙂 ) …

  576. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:05 am

    You made the claim that………..”Let’s forget then that the $900 cheques were not geared to tradies, but more targeted to shop assistants.”

  577. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:06 am

    “… some lost money in shares and others in property ”

    Gold Coast ?

  578. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:06 am

    You made the claim that………..”Let’s forget then that the $900 cheques were not geared to tradies, but more targeted to shop assistants.”

    True, and I provided a link

    What does that have to do with the BER and your claim that I said “the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.”?

  579. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:07 am

    Still awaiting all those links you obviously cannot produce 😉

  580. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:09 am

    “I like the product and it was always a gamble”

    My my TB don’t let Kitty see that……………….LOL

    For those not in the know Metal Storm was basically dedicated to the development of better military killing machines being massively high volume machine guns

  581. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:15 am

    You made the statement that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.

    That is the dumbest statement ever made!

    The school halls will benefit GENERATIONS of Australian children … schools are not a business asset … childrens’ futures’s are not commodities …

    … of course the bloody nation will benefit from better facilities for the majority of public schools, that before the BER, could not hold whole school events on site …

    … our local school has a fabulous hall, where I attend as a grandparent, when my kids perform in concerts, recitals, plays, graduations, presentations … (before the new school hall was built, children, teachers and families had to travel to another school 5km away for things like senior graduation ceremonies) …

    School facilities improve a child’s learning … children who develop skills and knowledge to benefit Australia …

    If you need to “justify” that sort of “cost” “investment” … you don’t have children and/or you don’t understand how the development of our nation depends upon the development of our children …

    As an aside I agree with TomR our communities are also richer for the other uses that the halls are being put too …

  582. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:20 am

    As an aside I agree with TomR our communities are also richer for the other uses that the halls are being put too …

    Hang on, according to paws, that means that you must think ” that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school. ” (reading that with the left half of my brain deactivated) 😉

  583. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:25 am

    …yes, and the billion spent on stuff like mini amphitheatres and performing arts centres, for schools that pay their principals $500K a year, and charge $25K a year in school fees!!

    That was money well spent by the BER.

  584. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:25 am

    For those not in the know Metal Storm was basically dedicated to the development of better military killing machines being massively high volume machine guns

    My, my, Wally get your facts straight … Metalstorm has never manufactured a machine gun …

    In fact it’s prime market is in non lethal/lethal weaponry … in a shotgun model and grenade launch model …

    It’s original designer did develop a million round per second multi barrel weapon to demonstrate the speed at which electronically fired weapons could be fired … and as a defensive anti missile weapon for ships (in the wake of the Sir Galahad sinking in the Falklands War)

  585. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:26 am

    “That is the dumbest statement ever made!”

    Well you should ask TomR why he supported monetarising the argument with this attempted rebuttal then refused to provide figures

    “Our local one, as many around the area, in addition to the extra activities they use them for at school (not having to rent out halls for disco’s) actually get to rent out their own halls, bringing in money to the school.”

    Note Keywords: “Rent” and “Money”

    By the way…………investing in an outfit like Metal Storm begs the obvious question……………

    What is it with the Left and Violence………..?

    LOL

  586. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:28 am

    “In fact it’s prime market is in non lethal/lethal weaponry … in a shotgun model and grenade launch model … ”

    You make it sound suitable for the shelves of Toys R Us……………LOL

  587. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:29 am

    Note Keywords: “Rent” and “Money”

    Dumb …

    By the way…………investing in an outfit like Metal Storm begs the obvious question……………

    What is it with the Left and Violence………..?

    LOL

    … and Dumber!

  588. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:33 am

    .. actually get to rent out their own halls, bringing in money to the school.”

    You did miss this bit out, Wally … but I get the impression you don’t have mch to do with schools …

  589. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:35 am

    Well you should ask TomR why he supported monetarising the argument with this attempted rebuttal then refused to provide figures

    You really need to start explaining this, and providing sources.

    You have basically spent the morning attempting to put words into my mouth, and have been unable to back up one of these.

    Put up or shut up, it really is pathetic.

  590. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:37 am

    “……….and have been unable to back up one of these.”

    Because you wont back up your statement with figures.

    So provide the figures if you wish to justify it on a financial basis. Otherwise stick to “social benefit” stuff.

  591. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:39 am

    Anyway

    Gotta go and do my monthly invoicing

  592. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:49 am

    So provide the figures if you wish to justify it on a financial basis.

    Justify what? That schools renting out their halls disputes the fact that you said they were “non productive school halls.” You want I should go and get an invoice from the school 😆

    The fact that they are leased out, irrespective of the price, destroys your initial claim. Trying to turn it around to mean ‘justifies a new school hall.’ was just dumb, or desperate, or both.

    Go on, run away with your argument between your legs, it’s really just an admission that you cannot provide one link for any one of the false claims you have made this morning.

    Pitiful.

  593. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:51 am

    Because you wont back up your statement with figures.

    Because there is no need … schools aren’t profit centres … they are investment in our future … (including unfortunately, some, wallies) …

    Argument for argument sake and no substance at all …

    Time to move on, methinks …

  594. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:54 am

    Individuals allocate resources more efficiently than governments. Smaller government and lower taxation leads to everyone being better off.

    That is free market brainwashing writ large.

    The National Benefit of Higher Taxes
    http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/the-national-benefit-of-higher-taxes/

    …Rich people may not like to build factories in places where they have to pay higher wages and taxes, but they absolutely love to sell products in nations with strong middle classes, for the middle class, not the rich, is the real engine of prosperity for first world nations.

    That is precisely what higher taxes provide: a stronger middle class…
    … and the regulatory agencies necessary for the prosperity of a nation. In other words: big government…

    …And the proof that socialized democracy is the best economic model is all around us, for every single first world nation (except for certain OPEC nations) is a socialized democracy with big government, whereas every single nation that has low taxes, small government, and weak regulation is a third world nation. Whatever one may claim in philosophical arguments, it’s hard to argue with the obvious difference in the living standards of the regular citizens of first world socialized democracies and those of citizens of fiscally-conservative third-world nations…

  595. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:04 pm

    Argument for argument sake and no substance at all …

    Welcome to the Daily 😦

  596. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:05 pm

    Or as yomm calls it

    The Daily Dotpoint 🙂

  597. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:06 pm

    ”the false claims you have made this morning.

    Yesterday you made the false comparison between GDP and household income, and Our Prime Minister is so economically ignorant that she’s made the same comparison!!

  598. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:23 pm

    Yesterday you made the false comparison between GDP and household income

    No I didn’t. The kouk did 😉 And, as I explained, it was only a comparison, not an equivalence. It doesn’t have to represent precisely the same thing, but it conveys the general meaning.That being, our level of debt is negligible, and highly sustainable.

    You note the difference here between me addressing you, and paws just flailing in the air, making shit up?

  599. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:23 pm

    Germany slips into recession.

  600. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:25 pm

    And I’ll bet that, when paws is finished cowering, no links will be provided, probably just more accusations for things that I most obviously haven’t said.

    Apparently, that is how RWDB’s ‘debate’

    It’s the same with your heroes in Parliament. Full Of Shit!

  601. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:27 pm

    Germany slips into recession.

    😯

    So the Germans and the Rest of The World are wrong and Greece is in fact an economic miracle that everyone else refuses to recognise as such

    😯

  602. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:36 pm

    but it conveys the general meaning

    No it underestimates the magnitude of the problem by about a factor of 12!

    And it’s the line Gillard used too. Unfortunately the dullard interviewing her (ABC) was also economically illiterate and didn’t pick her up.

    It demonstrates that Gillard is either particularly dull in economics, or that she is dishonest by suing a false analogy that significantly under emphasizes the size of the public debt.

    One way or another, that particular analogy reflects poorly on Gillard!

    So thanks Tom R for introducing the topic here!

  603. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:44 pm

    ‘The “Greek economic miracle” was the high rate of economic and social development in Greece from 1950 to 1973. The economy grew an average of 7% a year, second in the world only to Japan during that period.’

    So what went wrong?

  604. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:50 pm

    Back to partisan politics…the building of school halls was a good idea and will prepare us for increased migration.

    The $900 cheques were a bad idea because they pissed it up against a wall or gambled it away. It might have been better to use quantitative easing.

  605. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 12:50 pm

    No it underestimates the magnitude of the problem by about a factor of 12!

    A factor of 12. Are you able to elaborate?

    But, recall, the Government is not applying their settings by this, they are using it as a simple analogy 😯

  606. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 1:05 pm

    Break from invoicing certainly not cowering in the wake of your non argument……..

    “…..when paws is finished cowering, no links will be provided, probably just more accusations for things that I most obviously haven’t said.”

    LOL

    Now I’ve heard it all.

    You wont then obviously recall that I pointed out that Keynesian economics requires stimulus to be spent on economically productive assets.

    You were the one that introduced school hall rent into the argument then refused to provide the evidence so we could determine whether there was an economic justifiable return.

    Oh yeah………………you’ve conveniently forgotten that haven’t you.

    So just stick to your “social benefit” argument and don’t try and introduce some pathetic peppercorn rental into your argument to justify it on a Keynsian basis

  607. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 1:08 pm

    ‘TREASURER Wayne Swan: four budgets, four deficits, adding up to a staggering total of $173 billion on the national credit card.

    ‘That’s around $8000 Swan has borrowed on ‘your behalf,’ since becoming treasurer.

    ‘That’s $8000 of extra debt for every single one of you – $32,000 for a family of four. Think of it, as topping up your mortgage.’

    Terry McCrann

  608. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 1:10 pm

    On a completely different matter that is very amusing.

    Just heard that the neighbour across the road upgraded his iPhone software on Sunday to Apple’s new IOS6 (presumably). He and his wife share an iTunes account.

    Well the shit hit the fan last night when somehow his iPhone settings were changed by the upgrade and all his SMS messages sent to him yesterday were automatically forwarded to his wife’s phone as well.

    Including those of his mistress.

    My next door neighbour just told me

    LOL

  609. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 1:24 pm

    Tom R – increased payments related to debt and interest are funded out of profit, not turnover.

    I’ve simply used a reasonable example of profit being about 8% of turnover.

    Gillard’s use of the analogy is more evidence that she is either dumb or dishonest.

  610. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 1:34 pm

    Nice bit of gossip there jaws, I’ll pass it on.

  611. September 25, 2012 2:05 pm

    “That is free market brainwashing writ large.”

    How true. The free market is excellent at shoveling disproportionate wealth into the pockets of the already wealthy. When it comes to providing decent outcomes for the rest of us, it is not so effective. The free market would by now have despoiled and destroyed the planet but for environmental regulation. And now with the new threat of global warming, the free market would not direct investment where it is most needed.

    The free market is also brilliant at delivering the political clout that comes with extreme wealth into the hands of power-mad imbeciles like Rinehart, Palmer and the rest of the millionaires club. I have greater faith in a more noble political class, one enriched by academic learning, social service or advocacy for workers, minority groups or other worthy causes. Who would you prefer to run the country – someone who has spent a considerable part of her career defending workers’ rights at a reputable law firm or a thuggish bully-boy addicted to hardcore crack-Catholicism and beholden to the ruthless rich?

  612. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 2:12 pm

    <i.You were the one that introduced school hall rent into the argument then refused to provide the evidence so we could determine whether there was an economic justifiable return.

    Oh yeah………………you’ve conveniently forgotten that haven’t you.

    No I didn’t. I used it to rebut your claim that “BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.”

    What is wrong with peoples comprehension skills, or is it merely their desire to have people say what they want them to?

    Still awaiting all those links you obviously cannot produce

  613. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 2:58 pm

    ‘And now with the new threat of global warming, the free market would not direct investment where it is most needed.’

    Good thing too.

  614. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:01 pm

    I see that Terry McCrann is today making a similar point about debt – $32,000 per family in 4 years!!!

    How long will it take for Swan to pay off my $32K?

    It’s a “Swan dive” into debt, next we’ll have the politically fuelled reaction to the deficit, followed by a downturn.

    Swan is a complete dill, and Gillard demonstrates that she is either dishonest or a bigger dill than Swan.

  615. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:33 pm

    “Still awaiting all those rent figures you obviously cannot produce”……………..so we could determine whether there was an economic justifiable return.

    Well TomR ?

    As for your link request……………its you
    *****************************************************************************
    “Since TomR advocates a continuing borrowing strategy to fund his out of control government spending”

    Really……………….got a Link.

    ——TomR

    So you instead prefer printing money obviously. As we pretty much proved yesterday

  616. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:37 pm

    “Gillard demonstrates that she is either dishonest or a bigger dill than Swan.”

    A lot of both.

    In fact she is just a disgraceful piece of crap and she thinks the public are stupid enough to fall for her bullshit.

  617. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:40 pm

    …thuggish bully-boy addicted to hardcore crack-Catholicism and beholden to the ruthless rich?

    love it 😆

    The free market would by now have despoiled and destroyed the planet but for environmental regulation. And now with the new threat of global warming, the free market would not direct investment where it is most needed.

    The free market was set so free that it unleashed it’s core of destruction upon itself. Of course [hated] social democracy must come to the rescue. Yet, still the disconnected ideologues keep chanting the mantra “small govt, low taxes”

    The same argument is behind the european austerity measures, the common people being punished for the crimes of others, they must sacrifice and suffer to save reckless bankers from the natural consequences of their gambling losses.

  618. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:44 pm

    so we could determine whether there was an economic justifiable return.

    You made this up paws, not me

    You keep on harping on about me providing a link for something I haven’t claimed, when you yourself have several different choices you can begin of claims you have made, but have not provided any evidence for.

    Let’s start with one

    Where did I say that renting out schools justifies them being built? Show me that.

    The only time I mentioned renting them out was when I used that to rebut your claim that “BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.”

    Renting them out helps to make them productive, but it doesn’t ‘justify their being built. Stop making shit up as a pathetic excuse for not being able to back up your own pathetic arguments.

  619. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:45 pm

    Is paws really ian ❓

  620. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:47 pm

    “Yet, still the disconnected ideologues keep chanting the mantra “small govt, low taxes” …”

    Oh I see…………………if you are not a public servant you are “disconnected”.

    Is that how it works ?

  621. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:54 pm

    “Stop making shit up as a pathetic excuse for not being able to back up your own pathetic arguments.”

    LOL…………………..there you go again.

    You were the one to introduce monetarising the School Hall to rebut my claim of “economically non productive”.

    You tried to challenge my statement before quickly realising you were on very soft ground then you went on the social benefit chant/mantra. Followed by your Fellow Travellers.

    But you ran when asked to provide a couple of figures to back yourself up.

    You offered to get an invoice from your local school……………………..So go get it

    LOL

    OK…………………….whats your next excuse ?

  622. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 25, 2012 3:55 pm

    In fact she is just a disgraceful piece of crap and she thinks the public are stupid enough to fall for her bullshit

    Unlike the disgraceful piece of crap that treats the public as if they really are stupid by media stunts in fluoro vests, staged ‘press conferences’ of angry invective and bullshit slogans, nothing to say on policy and then running from questions.

  623. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:03 pm

    … and then running from questions.

    Or looking like a stunned mullet for a couple of minutes!

    Or flip flopping … day after day …

    Or disagreeing with and then agreeing with Shadow Ministers …

    Or just seeking advice from good old Cardinal Pell … 😯

  624. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:04 pm

    paws, I’ve provided evidence all day long, yet you want more.

    Do you deny that schools do this, do you deny that schools are making money (not ‘justifying the build’) from these halls?

    You have provided nothing all day, except lies about what I have said. And now you just want more ROFL

    Stump up something before asking for something so blatantly obvious.

  625. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:08 pm

    “…………do you deny that schools are making money (not ‘justifying the build’) from these halls?”

    So finally you admit that the money they make do not justify the build.

    Good…………………just stick to your social benefit argument and we can move on.

  626. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:10 pm

    So finally you admit that the money they make do not justify the build.

    Show me where I said they did

    You can’t, can you, cos it didn’t happen

    In other words

    YOU ARE LYING!

  627. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:11 pm

    paws IS ian 🙂

  628. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:14 pm

    And where is Splatterbottom these days ?

    I did like this Shakespearian piece of prose from the other day……………

    “The sooner we turf the fat-arsed, lying, homewrecking cunt of a PM out of office the better.”

  629. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:18 pm

    Jaws is not Eian…stop making shit up.

    As I was saying, the social benefit of school halls will become abundantly clear when mass migration kicks in.

  630. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:34 pm

    Speaking of “mass migration” it seems that the ALP’s long held claims of “push factors” at work have finally been exposed as simply the bullshit us right wingers always claimed.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/asylum-seeker-quits-nauru-for-sri-lanka-20120925-26ifj.html

  631. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:38 pm

    Jaws I’ve been working hard and just lurking here. I don’t have the time or energy to take on Tom the Troll. I suppose he is hanging around here because his gender precludes him from joining McTernan’s Mole Patrol.

    It is a shame that the ALP doesn’t have the wit or ability to come up with their own ideas. Unfortunately they resorted to importing that vindictive, vituperative viper to debase our politics. And guess who are going to be the ones whining about incivility in public discourse when they get served with the same crap?

    And did you notice another ALP kiddie porn addict is in court this week. What is it with the ALP and pedophilia anyway?

  632. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:42 pm

    “Unfortunately they resorted to importing that vindictive, vituperative viper to debase our politics.”

    Oh……….that Pommy bloke…………yeah

  633. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:42 pm

    Correction: Tom the claytons Troll.

  634. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:44 pm

    A removalist truck just pulled up across the road.

  635. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:51 pm

    Anyone know where I can rent a school hall? They don’t seem be widely advertised except for those Cathlick ones.

  636. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:52 pm

    Oh the hypocrisy … this sort of rort is inevitable with the LibNits … Back to The (JBP) Future … cronyism strikes again … wasn’t there a daughter of a Queensland Minister employed by Noddy’s Lot and found in possession at work?

    The appointment of a state government minister’s son to a top position within a public department despite claims he was unqualified has been referred to the corruption watchdog.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/crime-and-misconduct-commission-looking-into-appointment-of-arts-minister-ros-bates-son-ben-gommers-to-public-role/story-fndo4ckr-1226480979811

  637. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:53 pm

    Talking of catlicks, I like Abbott no matter what the barrackers say.

  638. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:53 pm

    jaws completes his day with deranged – who says he is a bananaby?
    carry on regardless! 😆

  639. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 4:55 pm

    Anyone know where I can rent a school hall? They don’t seem be widely advertised except for those Cathlick ones.

    Well that was clever …

    I hope you do more research for your clients, James …

    http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&newwindow=1&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=state+school+halls+for+hire+&oq=state+school+halls+for+hire+&gs_l=hp.12..0i22l3.4276.12158.0.15763.28.23.0.5.5.0.282.5349.2-23.23.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.65zIVqIXizA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=25b3e54dee689702&biw=1596&bih=888

  640. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:01 pm

    Back to The (JBP) Future … cronyism strikes again …

    There’s more TB, he’s now talking about watering down director’s liability.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/directors-liabilities-to-be-cut-in-qld/story-fn3dxiwe-1226481128409

    The premier again reiterated that his government would introduce a directors’ liability reform bill by the end of the year to drastically reduce the number of provisions that impose personal and criminal liability.

    “A director will only be personally liable if they encourage or assist in the commission of an offence or they have been negligent regarding its commission,” Mr Newman told the audience.

    make room for plausible denial big time

  641. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:17 pm

    “Oh the hypocrisy … this sort of rort is inevitable with the LibNits … ”

    So Julia Gillard employing Michael Williamson’s daughter is OK I suppose.

    And from your link

    “A Department Liaison Officer is required to have extensive knowledge of the department; the policy areas; the ministerial system and the public service.”

    Sounds like a certain method of ensuring ongoing promotion of only those already within the Department. A perfect recipe for corruption in itself.

  642. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:18 pm

    yea, kinda hard to find aren’t they TB

    I didn’t bother because it is apparent that paws has completely lost it’s mind, and decided to troll rather than engage.

    Not one link or piece of evidence to back his statements, and pretending that I have said something that I have tried to show, as politely as possible, all day, that I certainly didn’t say.

    Then sancty joins in to prove that paws isn’t alone in his blinkered obssessions. Let’s just hope that their is more than one straight jacket in closet, enough for the whole tribe.

    Another day of circle jerking at the Daily 😉

  643. September 25, 2012 5:27 pm

    “Then sancty joins in to prove that paws isn’t alone in his blinkered obssessions.”

    Yes, it’s extraordinary isn’t it…?? The Snacty, Egg and Flaws trifecta in action… Nutjob wizardy at its most unhinged.

    Today’s highlight for me was egg’s claim that there wouldn’t have been any mass unemployment if the Labor government hadn’t intervened folowing the GFC…

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  644. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:30 pm

    So what if Newman reduces criminal liability in relation to State law. Federal law governs Directors generally.

    If your company employs 1,000 people and a salesperson earning commissions bribes a public servant into entering a contract with your company why should you be criminally liable if you know nothing about it.

    If your company, lets call it BHP Mitsubishi Alliance mines coal, has to allow the Mining Unions to control OH & S issues in relation to one of its mine site’s why should a director of BMA be liable for any injury or death caused.

    Its about time stupid ALP regulations were torn asunder.

  645. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:34 pm

    Its about time stupid ALP regulations were torn asunder.

    Yep, so we can go back to the libs days of lower productivity 😯

  646. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:35 pm

    “.Not one link or piece of evidence to back his statements”

    Well TomtRoll ………………….just scroll upwards to your own comments

    You made the statements trying to partially justify school halls via rents (Pilates presumably……………..or perhaps Tai Chi) and discos.

  647. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:39 pm

    “A Department Liaison Officer is required to have extensive knowledge of the department; the policy areas; the ministerial system and the public service.”

    Sounds like a certain method of ensuring ongoing promotion of only those already within the Department. A perfect recipe for corruption in itself.

    Oh, so the cronyism is OK … because the Job Criteria is crook? FMD!

    The link also says he’s 25 years old and his job experience is working in his mum’s lobby business (wonder if she still has it? Obviouisly not her son needed a new job) and as a salesperson in Toys R Us … now he’s on a $103,000 … and one of those classic public servants that should lose his job because he “does nothing all day” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There’s more TB, he’s now talking about watering down director’s liability.

    I bet Noddy’s Lot are trying to figure out how they can demolish the CMC too!

  648. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:40 pm

    So what if Newman reduces criminal liability in relation to State law

    Not in WH&S … (YET!)

  649. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:46 pm

    Any comment on this TB ?

    “ALLEGATIONS of corruption involving three former NSW Labor ministers will feature in potentially the most sensational public inquiry held by the Independent Commission Against Corruption.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/exministers-face-icac-20120806-23qe2.html#ixzz27SrPOZOk

    Or perhaps this one………………………..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_D%27Amore#Independent_Commission_Against_Corruption_.28ICAC.29_investigation

    I suppose they are OK as they are not LibNats

  650. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:47 pm

    You made the statements trying to partially justify school halls via rents (Pilates presumably……………..or perhaps Tai Chi) and discos.

    TomR’s comment was demonstrating that schools didn’t have to outlay money to go to other hals and hiring brought in a little money for the school … Jesus FKN wept how slow are you!

    PUBLIC schools are ALWAYS short of money (and yes so are some private religious schools – not many around my area although they always cry poor!) … not paying out and getting a bit in helps the schools’ budget … it has NOTHING to do with the cost of building the school halls … the purpose of the BER was to stimulate the economy via the well known theory of The Multiplier Effect … you may have to explain that to your Rightwing Dingbats … the theory is a bit simple …

  651. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:50 pm

    “Oh, so the cronyism is OK … because the Job Criteria is crook? FMD!”

    I didn’t say cronyism is OK. You and TomtRoll sure are good at verballing people

    No…………………I’m pointing to it as a separate issue.

    But I see you are not complaining about it so recipes for corruption must be OK with you.

  652. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:53 pm

    I suppose they are OK as they are not LibNats

    Why are you such a fuckwit™? Why should I think its OK … if the allegations are proven correct they should be dealt with … I’m not going to rush to their defence … like you did for the Minister’s son above …

    Your still trying to put words in my mouth (as you did TomR) …

    BTW … it’s LIBNITS …

  653. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:56 pm

    “BER was to stimulate the economy via the well known theory of The Multiplier Effect ”

    Perhaps but proper Keynesian Economics requires that it be built on economically productive assets.

    TomTroll should just stick to the Social aspect and not try and do some economic justification based upon peppercorn rents.

    School plays………………..graduation ceremonies dont cut it.

    Go hire a scout hall for your annual indulgences

  654. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:59 pm

    In fact

    Hire a marquee

  655. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:01 pm

    You made the statements trying to partially justify school halls via rents

    partially…it just gets more and more pathetic paws 😆

  656. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:02 pm

    But I see you are not complaining about it so recipes for corruption must be OK with you.

    There ya go again … you continually set up “leading” questions …

    This the Position Criteria as you quoted …

    “A Department Liaison Officer is required to have extensive knowledge of the department; the policy areas; the ministerial system and the public service.”

    1 “Extensive knowledge of the department” … this is best gained working IN the department but isn’t exclusive … it could be gained as a consultant working with the dept, as a student of political departments … any number of ways

    2 “The policy areas” … this is simply knowledge and could be assessed by a simple questionnaire … even you could study it …\

    3 “The ministerial system and public service” … understanding the process is part of a political student, undergraduate or graduate would know …

    Where you think any of that is a set-up AND not pertinent to a liason officers position I cannot understand … please elighten us all …

  657. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:02 pm

    “I’m not going to rush to their defence … like you did for the Minister’s son above …”

    Where did I rush to his defence ?

    I pointed out a parallel to Gillards office which you have sofar ignored..

    Why do you keep verbaling people all the time ?

  658. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:06 pm

    “Oh, so the cronyism is OK …”

    I think that qualifies as a leading question TB

    You really need to tidy up the way you comment on blogs.

    All this verbaling and all these leading questions .

    Its not very nice………

  659. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:07 pm

    Don’t forget – there are no “trolls” here

  660. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:10 pm

    School plays………………..graduation ceremonies dont cut it.

    Go hire a scout hall for your annual indulgences

    In fact

    Hire a marquee

    “don’t cut it” — says who? You … stiff bikkies …

    “…hire a scout hall … annual indulgences … ” they may be “indulgences” to a modern day mean spirited, obviously selfish by that remark, insulated, Scrooge like you … thousands of kids (and their families) around this country now enjoy their school halls … if you don’t like it — stiff bikkies …

    “hire a scout hall … hire a marquee …” why? We now have a hall …

  661. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:14 pm

    You really need to tidy up the way you comment on blogs.

    There ya go again … giving instructions, trying to control … and you don’t seem to like kids much either … pity, there’s more to life than a lonely $ …

    Same again, argument for argument sake … time to move on, methinks …

  662. JAWS permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:21 pm

    “partially…”

    Yes partially…………………………..unless you are switching back to 100% monetary justification.

    In which case……………………….be a good chap and go get that invoice from your local school that you offered to get.

    I do wish you’d keep to your original position however silly it might now seem

  663. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:22 pm

    ‘The Snacty, Egg and Flaws trifecta in action… Nutjob wizardy at its most unhinged.’

    LOL

  664. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 6:32 pm

    .unless you are switching back to 100% monetary justification.

    I’m not switching ‘back’ to anything. I used it as evidence that they are not ‘unproductive’. You can now say that that ‘partially’ justifies their build, that’s up to you, it’s just not what I said, no matter how often you try and claim it

  665. September 25, 2012 7:21 pm

    “In fact… Hire a marquee”

    Yeah that’ll be great for those regular Winter community classes.. 🙄

    Honestly, is it just me, or do we seem to attract an inordinate amount of nutters here……..?

  666. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 7:26 pm

    Its you who attract them, blogmaster.

  667. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 7:42 pm

    And it gets better … (despite the misdirected, Position Criteria, biased** towards people with experience, skills, knowledge and qualifications …)

    The Courier-Mail revealed in July Mr Gommers was given a 12-month contract as a departmental liaison officer despite the termination of thousands of public servants in permanent positions.
    It’s understood Mr Gommers was employed on May 10 on a contract that would expire on May 24 next year with an A08 salary level, meaning he would earn up to $103,000.
    Ms Bates’ daughter, Jill Gommers, also enjoyed a Government appointment – first working for Communities, Child Safety and Disability Minister Tracy Davis, before finding employment with Burleigh MP Michael Hart.
    Meanwhile, the Department of Science, Information Technology, Innovation and the Arts has refused to hand over documents relating to the appointment of Minister Davis’ daughter, Alexandra, claiming The Courier-Mail refused to clarify whether the application’s scope included the Minister’s office.
    Ms Davis was given a ministry job before allegedly being caught at State Government headquarters with illegal drugs.
    Despite providing an email proving that The Courier-Mail did ask that the application apply to Minister Bates’ office, the department refused to deal with the application on that basis and it is now before the Office of the Information Commissioner for external review.

    Imagine the cronyism that Tony Abbott’s lot would engage in!

    ** sarc alert …

  668. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 7:45 pm

    Noddy Newman’s Gang in power for six months and already creating the opportunities for The Robber Baron’s …

  669. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 8:49 pm

    This story by Sinclair Davidson is closer to the truth.

    I’m not sure

    Loading future generations up with our debt is irresponsible.

    But sinclair the oracle says

    We’ll be paying for the stimulus packages for another 10 years.

    generations 😯

  670. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:16 pm

    ‘I’m not sure.’

    Yeah.

  671. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:19 pm

    The Chinese are buying Australia’s biggest dairy business and Taswegian cherry farms…Talcum is a fan.

  672. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:20 pm

    At the rate of Swan’s proposed budget surplus, it will certainly be generations!

    (I don’t think I’m getting good value for the $32,000 that he’s racked up on my behalf)

  673. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:20 pm

    I’m not sure.’

    Yeah.

    You agree then, egg?

  674. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:30 pm

    ‘You agree then, egg?’

    As you will no doubt agree… hindsight is a wonderful thing. There is no ultimate truth, fifty economists say the stimulus saved our neck and its hard to find anyone to counter their argument.

    As I said earlier the school halls won’t go to waste and only real workers pay tax…so its not my problem. The youngsters who resorted to instant gratification will have to take on the burden of the stimulus repayment.

  675. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2012 9:47 pm

    At the rate of Swan’s proposed budget surplus, it will certainly be generations!

    Don’t panic … Mr Mannering … what we need is a good old WAR (the LibNats are realy good at getting us into WAR) … that’ll fix the economy … always works … (as long as the rich kids don’t have to fight it … just them “bludgers” who don’t know any different … the ones who don’t deserve a new school hall …

  676. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:14 pm

    What’s wrong with a fucking marquee ?

    It’s fucking Queensland

  677. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:17 pm

    So no comments on “push factors” I see.

    Pretty typical of the Left

    Run Rabbit Run Rabbit Run Run Run…….!

  678. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:21 pm

    Run Rabbit Run Rabbit Run Run Run

    still no links rabbit paws? pathetic!

  679. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:26 pm

    ” … pity, there’s more to life than a lonely $ …”

    Excuse me a moment whilst I sing “Are You Lonesome Tonight” to the 17 invoices sitting on the corner of my desk

    LOL

  680. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:28 pm

    I gave you Links TomtRoll

    They were your own quotes

  681. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:39 pm

    And let’s examine Tasmania tomorrow to see what unadulterated Greenism can do to your economy.

  682. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 10:52 pm

    600 plus jobs went from Gunns today. Christine Milne is overjoyed on Lateline. How’s Lara Giddings sleeping tonight.

    If Tasmania wants to be Green then no more GST subsidies for them.
    They can wallow in their own sewer of an economy for voting Green in the first place.

    Why should the Mainland subsidise them?

  683. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:01 pm

    They were your own quotes

    No they weren’t. Mostly they were words you made up.

    You were just making shit up Show me where I said the rent from the halls were used to ‘justify the build.’

    btw, have you read the Auditor General’s report I linked to earlier.Might prove interesting in light of ‘justification’, although it is not related to rents (but then, I never said the rents were anything about the justification, that is still your fantasy land)

  684. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:20 pm

    I’m sure your Leftie mates will support you TomtRoll.

    But your problem is if someone sticks to theBigger Picture you start panicking and run off in directions you then conveniently forget about.

    Then you demand links for matters that you have already stated and claim they stated it .

    Just face the facts that you said / ok implied very clearly rent and disco partly justified the BER spend.

    Remember…….the Truth shall set you free.

    Now be a good chap and go to bed.

    Afterall You probably have a Pilates class to do tomorrow

    LOL

  685. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:26 pm

    “The free market is also brilliant at delivering the political clout that comes with extreme wealth into the hands of power-mad imbeciles like Rinehart, Palmer and the rest of the millionaires club.”

    Yes, well that statement is just poppycock on many levels but honestly, the only millionaires club I know is Congress here…Don’t be jealous, get off you bum and go make your own way…

    “I have greater faith in a more noble political class, one enriched by academic learning, social service or advocacy for workers, minority groups or other worthy causes.”

    LMAO…I see, just where is this “more noble political class” going to come from exactly; these super humans untainted by power or money, desiring to “serve” only…Grow up, there is no Santa Clause either ok. Your “faith” is much more dangerous than the one you lambast here.

    “Who would you prefer to run the country – someone who has spent a considerable part of her career defending workers’ rights at a reputable law firm or a thuggish bully-boy addicted to hardcore crack-Catholicism and beholden to the ruthless rich?”

    No more lawyers please…”Workers rights” what is that anyway? Everything is a “right” with you lot… I just want somebody who knows how the economy works, a bit of foreign policy, will not circumvent the legislative branch of government, and will stop dividing the populace on issues like sex, gender, race and especially “class”. No more social engineers either…

  686. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:30 pm

    It’s been a sad and sorry day for paws, who still hasn’t addressed ANY of his multitude of brain farts, and still wants to pretend that what I said is what he wants me to have said. Sorry it didn’t pan out that way for ya. Her’s a brief recap for ya, see if you can find where I mentioned what you claim I did about schools renting out halls was used to justify their being built.

    paws: And the BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.

    me:You obviously have no understanding of what schools do. Our local one, as many around the area, in addition to the extra activities they use them for at school (not having to rent out halls for disco’s) actually get to rent out their own halls, bringing in money to the school.

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/massive-poll-boost-puts-gillard-in-election-winning-lead/#comment-8292

    Which paws interpreted as

    You made the statement that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.

    Which I thought I would clear up quickly

    No I didn’t. I used it to rebut your claim that “BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.”

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/massive-poll-boost-puts-gillard-in-election-winning-lead/#comment-8311

    Because I was clearly replying to a post about the claim the Halls themselves were unproductive, not to a post about justification for building them in the first place.

    And yet, even though I tried to spell it out for him, here we are, at the other end of the day, and paws still pretending that black is white, and white is black.

    And still unable to provide one link to back up his various other ridiculous statements.

    Pathetic!

    Time for a coffee I think, then perhaps pilates.

  687. JAWS ( why do they need weekends off ?) permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:40 pm

    “Time for a coffee I think, then perhaps pilates.”

    Don’t do it don’t do it…..

    A coffee will keep you awake.

    You desperately need sleep to get your brain unscrambled.

  688. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2012 11:46 pm

    Says the guy who can’t read English ROFL

  689. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 6:06 am

    ‘Why should the Mainland subsidise them?’

    That won’t be necessary, we are selling Taswegia to the communists…at a concession.

  690. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 6:14 am

    Lindsay Tanner has lost hope.

    “If we find ourselves out of office all around the country in a couple of years’ time, we will have very little to fall back on,” he says. “Rebuilding needs people, resources and purpose.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-has-lost-its-purpose-x2013-and-soul-20120925-26jjk.html#ixzz27Vwl1S9P

  691. JAWS permalink
    September 26, 2012 8:42 am

    Well that’s a very timely article Eg.

    It very well highlights the difference between me and TomtRoll and his fellow travellers of the Lunatic Left.

    I thought he and I were talking about Keynsian Economic Benefits but I quickly realised he was actually discussing his beliefs in the Benefits of Waste.

    But just trying to convince him that waste has no benefits is very very difficult.

  692. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 8:50 am

    But just trying to convince you of what I actually said is very very difficult.

    And an attack piece by the murdoch press, which has been exposed again and again for their misguided attacks on the BER, is used by you to support your misunderstanding

    ROFL

    He said the BER could have done more to replace demountables,despite the fact more than 500 were replaced as a result of the scheme.

    I JUST WANT MORE!!

    😆 😆 😆 😆

  693. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 8:53 am

    I JUST WANT MORE screamed piccoli, stamping his little foot

    http://ministers.deewr.gov.au/shorten/ber-funding-improves-facilities-students-disability-0

  694. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 26, 2012 8:56 am

    Everything is a “right” with you lot… I just want somebody who knows how the economy works, a bit of foreign policy, will not circumvent the legislative branch of government, and will stop dividing the populace on issues like sex, gender, race and especially “class”. No more social engineers either…

    If they couldn’t divide the populace the liberal party would cease to exist.
    Life is not an economy, the economy is meant to serve the people’s needs not the other way around.

    I would be very concerned about my “rights” if I was a woman living in Arizona.

    Strict new Arizona abortion laws decree pregnancy begins TWO WEEKS before conception:

    But the bill defines a foetus’ gestational age ‘as calculated from the first day of the last [mother’s] menstrual period’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128217/Strict-new-Arizona-abortion-laws-decree-pregnancy-begins-TWO-WEEKS-conception.html#ixzz27WbGoTmA
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  695. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:04 am

    Strict new Arizona abortion laws decree pregnancy begins TWO WEEKS before conception:

    Wow, I might have planned some dates, but never that well 😯

  696. September 26, 2012 9:06 am

    Tom why don’t you just admit that you said what Flaws says that you said, and then we can all move on….

    😉

  697. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:07 am

    So Tanner thinks the ALP is a “electoral machine”, without any sense of purpose or direction. He thinks it is run by power broker and that Gillard should not have replaced Rudd.

    At least this confirms two facts-

    1. Tanner has no idea about the ALP, and
    2. He’s a misogynist

    Or that’s how the barrackers will no doubt respond.

  698. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:08 am

    SCHOOL children will be left to “bake in hot tin cans” because the NSW government is axing a demountable classroom replacement program, the state opposition says.

    Education Minister Adrian Piccoli on Tuesday confirmed the government will not continue the program introduced by the previous Labor government.

    So, he cuts an existing program, and then blames the BER for it, even as he uses those funds for it.

    What a tosser

    He said nearly 100 demountables would be replaced with permanent facilities this year using money from the capital works program and left over Building the Education Revolution (BER) funds.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/demountables-will-be-replaced-nsw-govt/story-fn3dxiwe-1226481215579

    I JUST WANT MORE!!

  699. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:08 am

    Tom why don’t you just admit that you said what Flaws says that you said, and then we can all move on….

    Has tomm ever moved on from anything?

  700. September 26, 2012 9:14 am

    Tom R, Kittylitter….

  701. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:15 am

    Tom why don’t you just admit that you said what Flaws says that you said, and then we can all move on….

    Cos I get sick to death of these muppets pretending the argument is something else to what it is.

    Stuff him. he wants to ‘debate’, do it honestly, without making shit up.

    But then, he might actually be required to put up something that supports his ludicrous statements then. We can’t have that, can we. 😉

  702. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:17 am

    I’ve got a better idea, why don’t you just show me where I said it reb 😉

  703. JAWS permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:21 am

    Yes lets move on…………………..

    Can we talk about the Pink Batts Scheme……….?………..its been a while………………….LOL

    🙂

  704. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:23 am

    Tommo is an obfuscater…i tink.

  705. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:26 am

    Can we talk about the Pink Batts Scheme……….?

    Let me guess, Piccoli’s office is too cold, and is blaming the insulation scheme for stopping before he could get around to getting his done ❓

  706. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:26 am

    1. About a billion of the BER was wasted in private schools, including the ones that that pay their principals about ½ a million a year and charge about $25k in fees.
    2. Another billion was paid in “management fees”.
    3. About another billion was spent on facilities that the schools concerned specifically say they didn’t want. That is they got something for free, and went to the specific trouble of complaining about it.

    All that adds up to a poor government program.

  707. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:27 am

    Tom R, Kittylitter….

    What is the question?

    Stuff him. he wants to ‘debate’, do it honestly, without making shit up.

    like I said, the conservatives would have nothing to say if they couldn’t do ‘feelpinions’

    He thinks it is run by power broker and that Gillard should not have replaced Rudd.

    Most of us thought Gillard should not have replaced rudd, but then, since when have the public had a say in this democracy corporocracy of ours?

    He’s a misogynist

    Don’t think so. He seems to hate gillard, but not because she’s a woman I think. Unlike abbott, i’ve never seen or heard any public statements from him that reflect an opinion on women and/or their status or any sexist remarks.

  708. JAWS permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:27 am

    And its that time of year when we quite often see major downward movements in the World Stockmarkets (Your Superannuation).

    Seemingly right on cue the EU members are starting to disagree again and the markets are waking up to the probability that the US Fed’s QE3 probably wont work.

    Get ready for another rollercoaster of a ride

  709. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:31 am

    grrr, see what you’ve done reb?

    Who would’ve thought the BER was still an issue, being so comprehensively dismissed as having worked with little waste already.

  710. September 26, 2012 9:31 am

    Meanwhile Harvey Norman has been voted the worst retailer for customer service, but Gerry Harvey has lashed back saying their customer service is “fantastic”….

    http://m.smh.com.au/business/customer-service-who-is-the-worst-20120925-26jfj.html

  711. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2012 9:35 am

    Don’t think so.

    I agree KL, I like Tanner (even before he made these sensible observations). He’s a great loss to the ALP and to the parliament.

    I pointed to the “misogynist” tag because there is an increasing tendency among (unintelligent) some ALP supporters to label criticism of Gillard as motivated by misogyny.

    The contrast between the considered intelligence of Tanner and the aggravating bluster of Swan is remarkable. The wrong man left parliament.

  712. JAWS permalink
    September 26, 2012 10:08 am

    “Meanwhile Harvey Norman has been voted the worst retailer for customer service, ”

    Not surprised. I wandered into HVN last week just curious but also looking (no rush) to renew my now rather ancient Sony 7mp Camera to the same but now 4th generation 18mp.

    The kid behind the counter knew less than I did about the new model. So ended up going home researching a bit on the web then buying it from Kogan in Hong Kong for $180 cheaper.

  713. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 10:24 am

    Tanner would have made a great PM.

  714. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2012 12:28 pm

    Tanner would have made a great PM.

    Turnbull … PM

    Tanner … Treasurer

  715. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 1:06 pm

    Hmmm…..we need a fresh thread.

  716. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2012 4:28 pm

    I think I’d have Tanner in front of Turnbull.
    ————————–
    The weight of this thread is starting to make my mobile groan.

  717. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 4:40 pm

    The weight of this thread is starting to make my mobile groan.

    Maybe you should plug it into an NBN

  718. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:15 pm

    A Tanner Talcum ticket…a splinter party.

  719. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:27 pm

    The NBN is turning into another debt laden white elephant.

    Another reason to put me a further $8,000 in debt. Why is this government so committed to loading me up with the debt that I’ve worked to eliminate?

  720. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:28 pm

    I think I’d have Tanner in front of Turnbull.

    Good for you … 🙄

    So you prefer Abbot then … (just practising my, Wally, replies 😉 )

  721. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:29 pm

    Why is this government so committed to loading me up with the debt that I’ve worked to eliminate?

    Wait on? Yesterday the kids were going to pay for it …

  722. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:48 pm

    Generations of yomms will be paying TB, according to yomm anyway, even though the RWDB’s in the oppositions oracle only reckon a decade.

    But they’re the Hate media, so what would you expect 😉

  723. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:55 pm

    But they’re the Hate media, so what would you expect

    So, ToM, is right then … that’s what you just said … (I recokn I’m getting the hang of, Wally Weplies)

  724. JAWS permalink
    September 26, 2012 5:57 pm

    “Hmmm…..we need a fresh thread.”

    I agree.

    Since it has now been well and truly established that the BER was largely a complete waste of money we really do need to talk about something different.

    Perhaps Pink Batts since it too was a massive waste of money.

    Then we could also talk about the Government creating Pull Factors to ensure the Illegal Arrivals Budget was blown assunder every single year.

    Then we could talk about $40 Million wasted on the UN Security Council thingy……………………….then $40 Million on failed World Cup Bid………………..then $70 Million on Carbon Tax advertising………………..Then $10 Billion on the Green Energy Rorts Fund……………………….Then the Waste in having a Department of Climate Change (1200 lazy f**king public servants) that cant actually change the Climate at all…………………………….

    Basically we can talk about how so much taxpayer money has been flushed down the fiscal toilet that now the Budget is going into Deficit big time (at least $22 Billion) and Penny Wong has a press conference to pat herself on the back for saving $500 Million. Wow……………..she’s even cutback on business class travel.

    But do you really believe that Penny does not fly at the pointy end of an aircraft ?

    Anyway that leaves Penny with just $21.5 Billion or so to go.

    At $500 Million per press conference get set for plenty more press conferences I’d say.

    Remember Wayne Swan was told not to rely on Mining to keep his Budget in the black. But the F**kwit ignored everyone else’s warning. As for that F**king idiot in the Lodge and her dopey looking boyfriend .

    What can one say ?

    Yep………………….there certainly is plenty to talk about.

    And the NBN is not even in the Budget.

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