Massive Poll Boost Puts Gillard in Election Winning Lead!

The watermelon coalition have finally woken up to themselves…its a popularity contest.

The trawler thingy was a winner.

yea reb, the hypocrisy of the ‘negative smears’ is astounding. shanana was ranting about it too. Talk about oblivious. The Kouk perhaps explains it best

http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2227-the-real-reasons-behind-labors-poll-recovery

Put simply, Money, wealth and jobs And CanDo, who has turned out to be the biggest Can’t of all, is only helping their case.

Geesh…Here I thought the American electorate was short sighted…Honestly, is the Australian public that daft? We call this bipolar in my arena….

‘…is the Australian public that daft?’

Its only a temporary bounce for Joan of Arc, having put the sword into the trawler.

snacty said

“AAAUUUGGHH!!”

😆

grodo said “blah”

Maybe, this is just a thought, Abbott stayed out of the media because his opponent’s father had just died? If Abbott had been front and centre in the media you’d have been talking about what a bastard he was operating whilst Gillard was down.

Offshore processing is now a reality. Problem solved.

Sad but true. Although, perhaps a better term might have been ‘Perception solved’ 😉

I find it hard to believe that Nauru can be part of an actual solution

Sensible people will be after a parliament with the capacity to deliver in the public interest, as opposed to a parliament ruled by sectional interests. The next parliament has to be different to this one.

• Plenty more MPs like Wilkie and Xenephon
• None of the disgruntled former Nationals – we’ll be particularly grateful that Oakeshott will be out. Hopefully followed by Katter and Windsor.
• No Greens

With genuine sensible independents, no agenda pushing Greens, and no former nationals motivated by a get square attitude, parliament could actually be effective!!

“3. Tony Abbott beats up on women.”

Won’t be proven false, because it can’t be…& it’s already reinforced the ugly notions that everyone apart from Abbottrectalsunbeambaskers have of the seething dickhead.

TomR, snacty thinks that that was the reaction of an honest man being picked on by the nasty media. The fact that he visibly choked down an urge to fly into a raging flurry of haymakers was writ large all over his previously smug face…well, that’s just inconsequential & will be quickly forgotten- by Abbottrectalsunbeambaskers. In fact, it appears they’ve already forgotten! 😯

He’s already debunked the Bernie Banton line of assault previously too, reb!

I think it is because ‘Abbott is sensitive & nice, he never tells fibs or behaves in a condescending, dismissive, patronising way to the terminally ill…EVER’. Or something like that, I forget. My brain struggles to follow elaborate revisions.

It was sure a gotcha…but just further highlighted Abbott’s withering under unscripted pressure & ‘temper issues’.

Restrained behaviour! guffaw

The urge to behave pugilistically isn’t the first impulse of calm, restrained people.

Like I said…The urge to behave pugilistically isn’t the first impulse of calm, restrained people. 😉

😯 *gulp…

‘Only fought soft targets?’

He wasn’t the greatest, but why isn’t someone talking about this? I blame hate media.

‘Beyond his involvement in student politics, biographer Michael Duffy, wrote that during his student days he once “saved a child who was swept out to sea. Another time, helped save children from a burning house next to a pub where he was drinking. On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked”.

They wait just at the entrance, TB, warming themselves in the beams of radiance & yearning for the 1950’s. Some who’ve been close enough claim to have heard mutterings emanating from there!

‘Abbott’s finished.
‘He can’t recover from this…’

Anyone but Talcum.

It’ll be interesting to see if Mark Latham does his usual stint on Skynews tonight . He was at Sydney University from 1980 onwards doing his Bachelor of Economics. He was very heavily involved in campus politics (he used to try and recruit for Labor on Campus). Abbott was still there in 1980.

If he says nothing about “the Punch” I think its safe to say it never happened as he’d certainly know about it even if it had happened 2 years before. As I said last week I was involved with the Leftwing Honi Soit back then and I never heard about it.

Although there definitely were Liberal and Labor Goon Squads running around throwing cold cups of coffee in people’s faces, ripping down election posters, disrupting meetings, holding opposing rallies at the same time. Remember these were the times of abortion rights and land rights and demands for a return of free uni education etc etc etc

All of that I do recall

And I dont think David Patch ,who I’ve met in an unfair dismissal case (he acted for our side), and who is an ALP member nor an anonymous witness is much evidence.

Especially when Patch never saw it take place.

“……….even when the evidence suggests he is culpable.”

What evidence ?

There are no witnesses ( except David Patch ALP member who didn’t see it happen) and “Mr Anonymous” who is willing to sign a Stat Dec.

Presumably he’ll then call himself “Mr Unnamed Source”

Haha, you’re a loyal optimist, snacty.

Most of the rest of the country are not. He makes people uneasy for a reason.

It’s because he’s a visibly brooding, moralising pile of disingenous sloganeering.

Keep up the good fight. 😆

Joolya’s jump in the polls and tabit;s decline in popularity is because of the stand they took on the super trawler and has nothing to do with Tony’s misspent youth.

I think the poll ‘anomaly’ is a combination of a few things, the least of which is public sympathy about the PM’s father’s recent death.

Abbott’s descent is likely a direct correlation with light being cast upon his zealous past, wall punching or not, it isn’t a good look; it just reinforces misgivings. Funnily, Bolt & others here are striving for all manner of other excuses. Gotta look out for their boy.
Abbott has never been widely popular with the electorate, less unpopular at best. Only the rusted-ons really want him for a PM.

Plenty want to see the back of Gillard. That doesn’t mean that they’re throbbing for Angry Tones.

Personally, I say good riddance to bad rubbish. I doubt that he’s dead in the water just yet though. There would be plenty of internal LibNat unrest & pressure first.

If he’d led the blind person all the way to Pell he may have even been able to lobby for the blindness to be miraculously cured! 🙄

This thread is “interesting”. . .

“Abbott’s a c**t.”

“No he’s not!”

“Yes he is. And he’s friends with that other c**t Pell.”

“It’s all a character assassination, orchestrated by Labor, and aided and abetted by a compliant media.”

“Hah! Abbott arselicker!”

(and so on, ad infinitum) 😉

FYI, power bills here in SA were stupendously high waaaaay before the carbon tax.

“His guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.”

Yes. Yes, it does.

an opponent suddenly remembering an occurence 35 years ago

Over a decade of trying to get someone to listen to her is ‘suddenly’? 😯

“His guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.”

“Her guilt or innocence is very much split along partisan lines. Says heaps.”

All of those ‘affadavits’ against gillard that prooved ….. she didn’t open a file GUFFAW!

I’m amazed that her boss didn’t try to punch the wall next to her head for that 😆

No, reb. Mum is coming along too. I forgot to add an emoticon to my comment.

I generally can’t roll tally-hos & I wouldn’t bother trying to bring a bit of ganja on a domestic flight. 😉

“Its fascinating to watch the righwhingers on the backfoot”

GUFFAW! 😯

Cygnet, eh! 😉

considered anecdotes life experiences

Speaking of which…when I was about between about 17 and 20 I was locked up a few times for public drunkenness, lost my licence for over .05, and for being a hoon. Visited Queensland to deliberately get arrested for breaking their public assembly laws. I yelled obscenities at Fraser, along with a few hundred other students.
The university had a competition to see who could steal the most interesting stuff, this involved lots of drinking too. I suspect plenty of young women would be entitled to complain about my behaviour towards them.
Plenty of juvenile stuff and plenty of stuff that could have caused a criminal record.
By the time I was in my early 30s I’d been a union official for years, and I never carried out any professional activity that I regretted or that I was embarrassed about.
There’s a fair difference between the types of behaviours that seem reasonable at 19 and those that can be expected of a 30+ year old.

No doubt, YomM.

I’m not defending anything Gillard’s allegedly been involved in post 30.

I think Abbott’s anger management/ lack of self control is manifest well past his teens though. Ya see, I take opinionistas of both the left & the right with a grain of salt. I’ve been around long enough to make my own judgements about demeanour, body language & facial expression; particularly barely checked anger seething beneath the surface. I’ve never liked the pillock & I’ve followed his progress & seen his on screen behaviour & statements about as much as anyone else here with more than a passing interest in domestic politics.
The recent stuff against him gains traction because I’m not the only one whose rear neck hairs are raised by his mannerisms. True or not; it’s a cumulative thing. Angry people are ugly & unpleasant to be around, let alone to have running the whole fkn show.
His anger smacks of arrogant self assuredness; his self assuredness, based upon many ideological positions he occupies, is misplaced & only shared by his fellow travellers.

Who knows, he may become the most popular opposition leader ever in next weeks polls; but that would be bucking a reasonably strong past history of a majority not being able to find it within themselves to warm to him…despite any amount of ineptitude from the ALP.
Imagine if the ALP/Gillard was actually popular! 😯 There’s no way he’d still be warming the Opposition chair.

Just my 2cents.

Me?

Yeah, I just love a verbose religious queenslander. 🙄

My support was always behind getting the fuck rid of Howard, not electing Rudd. He was/is a spin merchant if ever there was one. He doesn’t come across to me or the general public as intimidatory though. Current polls still put him waaay ahead of Abbott.
I’m not yearning for his return, or even an ALP resurgence.
I’m just repulsed by the thought of Abbott going any further than he is now.

“There are many reasons my devious accounting (not chartered!) friend …”

If I’m not chartered ( which I am) why the hell am I paying some bloody institute $815 per annum ?

Or has Someone been trying to ID me again …….LOL

On more important stuff…….

…..Kate has lovely nipples

However it speaks volumes, when as an adult you simply refuse to admit that those events in your miss spent youth actually occurred and attempt to blame others for some sort of ” character assasination” instead.

What if the events didn’t occur?

this allegation has only just emerged in an essay by David Marr

Of course, that is no real reflection of just how pathetic our media is

One of the chief attacks on Ramjan’s credibility this week was why had she failed to tell journalists the story before?

It turns out she did. Ten years ago, she sat for more than hour in Sydney’s Bar Italia, Leichardt, with the journalist Andrew West. She remembers telling West the story and him not even writing it down. West concedes he was far more interested at the time in chasing up Pearson’s story of the mystery woman who had given birth to Abbott’s child.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/former-journalist-tony-abbott-is-adept-at-laundering-bad-news-says-samantha-maiden/story-e6frea83-1226474837703

Barbara Ramjan has been telling that story about Abbott ever since.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/politics/then-as-now-you-never-knew-what-abbott-really-stood-for-20120912-25sna.html#ixzz26mASTnpo

If they did, Reb, far from being sacked as Opposition Leader, he should be charged with assault. Because that is what it is/was. And that’s how we know it never happened. Because there is no way his political opponents would have let such a gift pass them by.

“to feast on her dangleberries while their obsequious tongues slither higher in search of more exotic fruit”

😯

“Because there is no way his political opponents would have let such a gift pass them by.”

That is EXACTLY correct Sancty. The campus politics at Sydney Uni was very robust with lots of yelling and shouting going on all the time. They were very turbulent times being in the immediate aftermath of the Whitlam Dismissal.

For “the Punch” not to be used against him at the time just beggars belief. Especially when he continued to run for President of the SRC after it was alleged to have occurred.

Talcum is ‘twice as popular as Mr Abbott as preferred Liberal leader, there is no leadership stirring’ and ‘Rudd backers now accept caucus is rusted on to Ms Gillard for the foreseeable future.’

SMH

Guess we are stuck with them….

Few people like Abbott, in my experience. He really doesn’t inspire affection or respect.

But the most entertaining aspect of this story is the rank hypocrisy of barrackers.

While Thomson ‘had no case to answer’ and Gillard was ‘young & naive’ at middle age, the barrackers salivate about allegations involving a 19 year old student.

It’s hilarious!

Well, Abbott could sue for defamation, but he won’t because it’s true. This goes to the nature and character of the man [as you happily argued against julia gillard]. I tend to agree with andrew elder that Abbott was just brought up badly. Abbott’s father came here to avoid conscription all those years ago [reminder to self, must check the timeline of abbott studying in UK and vietnam war]. Later, dad brought his family over here for good. Abbott was totally and completely fawned upon and indulged as a child and he has never taken responsibility for his own actions. He actually does live and breathe the elitist, hereditary, ‘born to rule” mentality with his family spruiking that he would be PM from a young age. Everything he has done has been self serving promotion and devious plotting for his own ambition and personal goal.

There have been two court cases that I have read about, the sexual assault one [deliberately done to demean and belittle the woman in public] and another for physical assault where punched someone in the head [again]. On both occasions when the matter went to court his father financed him to the hilt against the poorer students. Abbott arrives to court with a legal entourage of an SC and another 5 or so lawyers and numerous “witnesses” to financially and legally bully and intimidate the cases out of court.

So we’ve got two court cases and about another three punch up stories and we also have Abbott’s continued and ongoing sexism and misogyny throughout his career and particularly since becoming OL – that’s been well documented over the years. Now, you could think it was a political strategy, but it would appear [as with many aussie men] the sexism and misogyny is a core character component of the man. He was aggressive with his homophobia and sexism in the 70’s and he is still doing the same today.

Calling the student president “chairthing” for an entire year!

chris murphy is saying on twitter that he first brought all this stuff up ages ago.

Why did student activist now minister Tony Abbott punch Peter Woof?
http://www.sydneyalternativemedia.com/blog/index.blog/1616987/why-did-student-activist-now-minister-tony-abbott-punch-peter-woof/

http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/tony-abbott-charged-with-indecent-assault-he-must-step-down/

“…In his past, Tony Abbott was charged with indecent assault after groping a female activist on the upper part of her leg, and between her legs, while she was on stage in front of an audience of over 200 people debating student unions…”

“…What reason did Abbott give for this shockingly indecent assault on a woman in public? She spoke of him, as Tony Abbott says in a highly critical way, calling me… right wing. So someone speaks badly of Tony Abbott and he thinks a justified response is public indecent assault?…”

Then there are the other assaults:

lindsay foyle – the one that bestie greg sheridan can’t remember intervening in cos the tony he knows is not that kinda guy.

http://newmatilda.com/2012/09/13/abbott039s-punchline-returns

barbara ramjan – the anonymous witness is happy to sign his name to a stat dec just doesn’t want it splashed about in the press – he saw the fists flying and an extremely upset ramjan, he actually thought that abbott had punched her in the face!

joe hockey – knocked him out cold.

Who knows how many more “didn’t happens” are to come!

Sounds like a bully and a coward to me, happy to do the deeds but refusing to take responsibility for any of them, not much has changed over the years has it? he still tells bare faced lies and denies all whenever confronted with his “indiscretions” – yes, what a charming man!

No wonder he flagellates himself with self imposed sporting rituals and volunteer work, all that pent up hostility, anger, aggression and religious nutjobbery, he has finally found a publicly acceptable [and publicly funded] outlet for it.

I have no respect for the man, he’s a lying thug with outdated and sexist beliefs about women who wants to use the power and influence of office to ram his crappy religious beliefs upon the general population.

He’s not the only one though, there is a brotherhood of shadowy religious ideologues on both sides of politics who think they should impose their religious worldview on all others.

http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/missions-and-omissions-of-political.html

So none of these assaults ( “the Punch” and the Peter Woof allegation) are reported to Police.

How convenient

And why did the Woof allegation become a civil suit not a criminal assault case ?

And its so good of you to dredge up a long dismissed sexual assault allegation Kitty.

Do keep trying……………………..maybe one day you’ll hit pay dirt

I thought gillard’s ‘past history’ was boring and irrelevant and so is abbott’s but by fuelling it and keeping it going, abbott left himself open to the same…and he is vulnerable in that area. He must have thought he was quite safe and protected, so invincible within and without, looked after by the old besties that are now high ups in media and in politics.

‘abbott left himself open to the same…and he is vulnerable in that area.’

Doubt it.

‘abbott left himself open to the same…and he is vulnerable in that area.’
Doubt it.

FFS, what a jerk, so small a contribution showing such small minded stupidity and he thinks he’s some kind of wonderful on this blog.

Abbott defended himself. He said “It didn’t happen”. What more can he say if, indeed it didn’t happen?

So, Kittylitter, why then did he enlist in the RAAF when he got here and was old enough? How odd?

What’s nutjobbery about the DLP? (I’m not, nor ever have been, a DLP member by the way).

“…………….he’s pretty good with flinging ‘liar’ upon gillard,”

Ya don’t need to be even good at something like that when she’s a compulsive liar.

She presents a very large target indeed

What makes me laugh is that all these alleged fights and assaults occurred between Law students…………………..yet not one of these Law students……………..not a single one of them…………not one of them………………….reported anything………………………not anything to the Police or even to the Vice Chancellor at the time.

Nor did any of this make it into the Leftist Campus Student newspaper Honi Soit. Not even a whisper of even just the vaguest allegation back then made it into Honi Soit.

Make no mistake about it. Abbott was Enemy Numero Uno to Honi Soit. They would not have missed such a golden opportunity.

But they printed Nothing…………….Zip……………..Zero………………….Nought.

Compulsive lying is a union thing, joolya and Craig have a lot in common.

“…..you know, for the safety of all.”

Apparently there were instances of cold coffee being thrown at opponents as they walked through various faculty coffee shops on campus.

Even I saw that.

In fact I recall back then that Latham copped a full foam cup on the snout. I didn’t see it though……………… So therefore it must be true

Us Lefties were outraged……………..LOL

Yes I was there at the time El Gordo

I’m just still fascinated as to why a bloke would sail all the way across the world to avoid conscription, then up and join the RAAF?? That’s just weird.

And fkn inconvenient for those who like to make up and repeat lies about people without properly checking their history.

I doubt, Kittylitter, that you have the faintest idea what the DLP/NCC idealogy is or was. I imagine you see the word Catholic associated with it and it is therefore all bad. I have never been a member of the NCC either, for what it’s worth, although I live not far from where it used to operate from.

“Trawling through Honi Soit of the 1970s while researching a forthcoming book on Abbott’s sexual politics made for harrowing reading. The student politics of the day were polarised and aggressive on both sides, but there is no denying Abbott was a particularly pugnacious player…”

Thanks for the Link Kitty.

It bears out what I’ve been saying all along

But apparently he was not that pugnacious to be mentioned for throwing punches at women.

I utterly reject that “compulsive lying is a union thing”. What crap. I am a union member. It’s no more an affliction of union members than any other group of humanity.

I enjoy watching the Abbottards in tactical defense mode.

Damage is done. He only compounds it with each successive public comment.

‘(you need to make allowances for the intellectually challenged occasionally).’

You’re too kind.

Admittedly it was a ‘fkn stupid, illogical, statement’.

…chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
Defamation silk tells me denying MsRamjan told truth is actionable.Will you say @JoeHockey this woman of high repute is a liar? #auspol

chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
Leftie?No,Aussie. As Abbott’s UK father prayed for safety fleeing WW2 my LAB father & his 5 brothers went & fought it for him. #auspol

After seeing Q&A and abbott on the brekkie with karl TV show, lindsay foyle today clarifies his claim and says the oz didn’t print his letter in reply to sheridan. The shitbags sheridan, pyne & abbott have tried to make out he is lying without actually saying so].

Getting The Facts Straight On Abbott:
http://newmatilda.com/2012/09/18/getting-facts-straight-abbott

So it all comes down to who you believe and who you don’t. But if I were making all of this up, why would I go to so much detail about the events and why would I put most of it in writing almost 12 years ago?

Don’t forget to ask ToM what he does, TB.

Just kidding. 😉

Soo funnyy, TB, that you think for anonymous online commenters to take you seriously you need “real world” credibility. What you say should define your online persona, and your arguments should stand or fall on their own merit.

it just feels like Groundhog Day around here.

I feels for ya Tosy 😦

” banging your own head against a brick wall”

I know just how you feel. Sometimes I try to talk sense into TB.

Sometimes I try to talk sense

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

I don’t know if you do it on purpose, but it just keeps on cumin 😉

“me too, conservative group think does your head in, banging your own head against a brick wall.”

As opposed to what, Lefty group think (rich are all greedy, we are causing climate change “this time”, America is an imperialist nation, poverty is why the 3rd world fails, there is a third world because of European colonialism, throwing tax payer money at every social ill is the solution)? If you really believe in what you espouse you will challenge it, test it…Only the cowardly, insecure and immature make statements they can’t or refuse to stand by. That is what children and adolescents do…I think your a credit to your cause that you have the “brass” to engage in the debate no matter what side of the fence you call home…

Try to “tolerate” those whom in which you disagree with as you will find you can learn much from them; I certainly have…Otherwise, we are no different then are respective pundits.

who also thinks a harmless trace gas is making sea level rise.,/i>

Just like all those dopey scientists funnily enough

“You lot are precious when the polls/news/public opinion aren’t in your favour …”

I think we’ll be a lot happier in 2 weeks . That’s when we will se a “seasonally adjusted” Newspoll methinks.

Anyway I had a conversation with a senior Tax Partner who is on a Tax liaison committee that meets with Treasury Officials and Finance Department officials quite often.

Seems the following are in Swan’s sights to shore up his Budget Deficit.

*Diesel Fuel Rebate

*Wine Excise adjustments to better reflect alcohol content (Massive increases on the way)

* SMSF changes to property arangements where business premises are in fund and leased back to a business

* Ending Transition to Retirement Pensions basically immediately

* Introducing Taxation of Self Funded Retirees whereby any pension received will be added to all other currently tax free income (if you are over 60) and subjected to ordinary rates of tax just like a salary earner.( Note the current pension falls below tax free threshold so it wont affect those reliant on the pension alone)

*Permanent delay to adjustments to Concessional Caps of $25,000 pa

* Various punitive Centrelink adjustments for those over 60 yo and not solely reliant on the pension

Apparently the view within the ALP is still that those over 55 yo don’t vote for them anyway.

So if you are in retirement or saving for it……………………….Enjoy your morning

“Like those above said, people are directly stating they saw it happen.”

Wallach said no such thing.

Just your usual verballing ………………..Ho Hum……………………Again !

“…..you info is mightily useful for my modelling (always like a “buffer”) …”

TB

Nothing concrete yet (political ramifications currently being weighed up) but it seems there are alot of things being closely looked at. Especially Superannuation arrangements.

This part does not affect you but the word is if someone is doing a TRP ya definitely stuffed. As are Super property leasebacks.

So dont fret yet

The guy I spoke to really does have some good contacts

Bernardi is a beast, but Barry O isn’t too bad for a conservative.

‘THE Premier, Barry O’Farrell, will allow Liberal MPs a conscience vote on a bill to legalise same-sex marriage, which a cross-party group of MPs will introduce this year.

‘Liberal, Nationals, Labor and Greens MPs have formed a working party to draw up a bill to allow gay and lesbian couples in NSW to marry, if legislation before Federal Parliament is voted down, as expected.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/ofarrell-to-allow-conscience-vote-on-samesex-marriage-20120918-264sy.html#ixzz26sC7GlBj

Now I know why Minglo chose to ban anyone who disagrees with them. It’s actually better for one’s mental health than to have to day in and day out respond to the same old bullshit from the likes of sancty who thinks the sun shines out of Abbott’s arse and that he can do no wrong.

How did sancty form such an high opinion of someone who to everyone else ( or at least rational thinking people) is just a rightwing catholic arsehole?

Reb, people write stuff. Some of it is outrageous. Some of it defies belief. So when I read such stuff, I am motivated to check its veracity. Sometimes you can find documentary evidence to certainty (eg Gillard with AWU and Abbott Sen. with army record above) and other times you have to make a judgement on the balance of probabilities eg Abbott punching walls.

I fully get that Abbott is a divisive type. I also get that many people worry about his tendency to act or speak without fully thinking things through. I don’t know him personally but I know many people who do. Their opinions, which I respect, coupled with what I know to be true about the bloke, leave me with a kind of grudging respect for the bloke.

I’m really sorry if I can’t bring myself to hate him like you and others seem to want me to, but I just can’t. Moreover, he seems to represent me. I’m not sure where he stands on the big corporations (esp Coles/Woolies beating up small business) but if he takes them on like he takes on the leftie elites, he’s won me. I don’t need to “like” the people who win my vote.

I also keep hearing that Abbott is in fact a very likeable bloke. Just as Julia is apparently a very likeable woman.

Seems they both have a problem with a robotic public persona

‘You comment like a sickening fucking weathervane. unfknblvbl’

I’m a fence sitter and proud. This blog never struck me as a place to gain friends and influence people.

You are a seeker of favour with fellow travellers in a prostration of your dignity. You backpedal & slide around surreptitiously.

Your prerogative, obviously; but duly noted.

You are a seeker of favour with fellow travellers in a prostration of your dignity.

Ooh can I use that sentence? I like it.

I don’t even know who here is or isn’t “from the left”. So confusing. 😉

‘Precisely whom?’

I’m not in a position to add weight to my snide remark, so I’ll retract it.

I’m not in a position to add weight to my snide remark

Geezus that was bad by Bernardi. I get what he was saying. I also doubt that allowing gay marriage would end there. But to draw the link, however distant, was utterly stupid.

Sicily is part of Italy……

Minchin is the father of rightwing nutjobbery in the Coalition, so it’s no surprise that he’d be sticking his neck out to blunten Bernardi’s stupid comments. Who’ll be next? They’re not the only ones.

Romney has also dropped the ball a little, being filmed making ill advised semi private comments about a large swathe of potential US voters.
Correct or not, and I don’t agree with him personally (he too, was playing to wealthy donors who represent his base), the comments are unlikely to resonate too well with some of whom may have otherwise been supporters.

I was surprised by just how soon the upcoming poll for POTUS is.

I know Calibresis don’t like being mistaken for Naples etc.

I know a few. It’s fun to deliberately forget the difference in their presence. 🙂

I find Italy a fascinating country, TB. Hard to believe it’s only existed for such a short time as “Italy”.

Cory Bernardi has issued a statement saying he will now just concentrate on continuing to represent the people of South Australia.

Eh………………………….that’s you Toilette………………….so consider yourself as represented by your representative

I also doubt that allowing gay marriage would end there. But to draw the link, however distant, was utterly stupid.

He says, drawing the link ROFL

Our own Corgi St Bernadi

Patrick Secker, in case you’re wondering.

Anyway Cory has given Abbott the chance to bring Sinodinos onto the Front Bench.

They might have a bit more economic cred for a change rather than relying on poor old Joe and Robb

Xenophon has a case of permanant outrage. (He also overuses “in terms of”. 😉 )

This interview.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2011/s3248229.htm

Who knew he was an anti-Scientology campaigner? Probably not even Xenophon until he latched onto it as his latest “cause”.

I’ve never personally encountered scientology and have no opinion on it. As a general principle though it should be free to operate within the law.

I haven’t read Bernardi’s comments yet, but I bet reb’s tapping something out on the Olivetti as we speak.

“I believe that it was to investigate certain issues of legality which neither of the majors will ever go near.”

Fair enough, so what’s become of it all? Does his deafening silence on the “issue” mean there was nothing they could act on?

‘I was being funny, TB.’

Without a funny face (Poe’s Law) it went under the radar, but rest assured I caught it.

I recall that in this place only a few years ago people pushed for the same entitlements and benefits for all relationships that were then held by married couples. This was achieved. I opposed it at the time because my point was that just because people are in a sexual relationship that does not mean that they should be afforded the same rights and privileges as society affords those in traditional marriage, and I have outlined some of the reasons for that. Indeed, I advocated at the time that if it is about genuine equality and interdependency then we should advance this to interdependent relationships in which there is no sexual engagement. There are any number of those relationships, including people who live together and share bank accounts and expenses and who, for all intents and purposes, share their lives without having a sexual or physical relationship. But that was rejected, I suspect because it was not really about equality. It was not about interdependency and it was not about sharing your life with someone; it was about chipping away at the institution of marriage.

The legislation got through and I lost that debate—you win some and lose some in this business. At that stage I was one of many saying this was another step that would undermine marriage. Today we see the next step. This is another push—it is not the first time and it will not be the last time—for same-sex marriage. Time and time again the techniques of the radicals who seek to overturn the social institutions and social fabric of our society are out of step with the priorities of mainstream Australia. No-one out there that I have come across says this is the most important issue facing Australia. There are enormous social and economic problems in this country, and this debate will not solve any of them. Time and time again the same characters seek to tear down our institutions that have been built and have sustained our civilisation for thousands of years. The time has come to ask: when will it end?

If we are prepared to redefine marriage so that it suits the latest criterion that two people who love each other should be able to get married irrespective of their gender and/or if they are in a sexual relationship, then what is the next step? The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society—or any other type of relationship. For those who say that I am being alarmist in this, there is the polyamory community who were very disappointed when the Greens had to distance themselves from their support for numerous people getting together and saying they want to enter into a permanent union. They were disappointed because they were misled that this was about marriage equality and opening up marriage to all people who love each other.

There are even some creepy people out there—and I say ‘creepy’ deliberately—who are unfortunately afforded a great deal more respect than I believe they deserve. These creepy people say it is okay to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals. Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, ‘These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union.’ It is extraordinary that these sorts of suggestions are put forward in the public sphere and are not howled down right at the very start. We can talk about people like Professor Peter Singer who was, I think, a founder of the Greens or who wrote a book about the Greens. Professor Singer has appeared on Q&A on the ABC, the national broadcaster. He has endorsed such ideas as these. I reject them. I think that these things are the next step. As we accede to one request we will then have the next one which will be for unions of more than two people. We will have suggestions for unions of three or four people. I notice the Greens are heckling, but the point is that they misled their constituent base and there was an outcry about this. Where do we go then? Do we go down the Peter Singer path? Those that say this is the end of the social revolution have no history of being honourable about that. They continue to push and challenge our social and cultural mores. We simply cannot allow such an important social institution to be redefined, especially when Australians do not see this as a priority issue.

http://t.co/ElQtSWiV

Regardless of the outcome, I’m pleased that he wasn’t too timid to raise it.

Thanks for that misleading tirade, Senator Bernardi.

I do believe that you may be full of shit when it comes to claiming “No-one out there that I have come across says this is the most important issue facing Australia.” I was under the impression that there is majority support.
Noone is saying it’s the most important issue in the country. FFS, just let it be done & get over it you socially conservative encroacher on the personal lives of people whose homes & beds you’ll never share & have no business dictating to.

Cory Bernardi, A grade pantswetter. Strawman builder extraordinaire.

You’re right, in hindsight, Xenophon should’ve slammed the door in the faces of the concerned ex-scientologists. Stupid cause hunter.

Toilet had spelt it fopar. I think deliberately. I just offered an alternative incorrect spelling. Was kind of hoping to start a meme. But I think I failed.

Or maybe the Victoria St version: phở pà

Gotta watch out for those humoursexuals.

Some day they might ask for a good Catholic EyeStallion like me to marry a Church of England gal.

Now that’s a slippery slope

I agree about Gillard & the ALP voting down SSM today. That’s kinda gotten lost in the maelstrom with Bernardi’s fucked up comments.
Gillard/ALP stand condemned also.

Anglicans believe in heaven on earth, which places extraordinary demands on the credit card.

‘I reckon these guys are about to put apartments on top of their stores.’

The whole building will more than likely be converted to flats and snapped up by the legal fraternity.

“Who in their right mind would think that Tony Abbott is a suitable “leader” in today’s modern Australian society.”

If you read around a few rightwing clearinghouse blogs, it’s the same people who today are vehemently defending Bernardi’s comments & the whole slippery slope obfuscation…ultra-conservatives who are shitting themselves about incremental change. Abbott is their man, he speaks to their skittishness- the Coalition just has to make sure that the rest of the voting population don’t get too spooked by going in too hard publicly on what they really stand for. Hence Bernardi’s demotion.

Who in their right mind would think that Tony Abbott is a suitable “leader” in today’s modern Australian society

Remembering firstly that I have never ever voted for either of the majors as my first preference at an election and noting that in real terms you are left with a choice between two parties each with a leader, preferring one over the other does not necessarily equate to thinking either is a suitable leader. With that in mind, I prefer Abbott over Gillard. Some might recall I also preferred Rudd over Turnbull in the end but with very gritted teeth.

Here’s a hint though as to why I have a grudging respect for Abbott.

ABBOTT INCITED A RACE RIOT!!!!
No he didn’t, indeed he was set up by a staffer of Gillard.

ABBOTT IS TELLING WOMEN WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR BODIES!!!
No he didn’t, he responded to a hypothetical question on advice he would give his daughters and specifically included the rider “if asked”.

ABBOTT SAID CLIMATE CHANGE IS CRAP!!!
Well no he didn’t. He said that the idea that the science on climate change was settled was crap.

ABBOTT WANTS TO CRIMINALISE ABORTION!!!
No. He has stated many times that he thinks abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. Who in their right mind doesn’t think that?

WELL HE THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL BACK IN THE 70’S!!!!
Yes well so did about half the population. Should we disqualify them all from representative careers?

ABBOTT PUNCHED A WALL NEXT TO A WOMAN’S HEAD!!
And the first we hear of it is 35 years later? Bullshit.

AND HE CALLED THE CHAIRPERSON “CHAIRTHING”!!!
It was 1977. He was 19. That kind of politically correct language (chairperson) was laughed at by nearly everybody not least because the “-man” in chairman has nothing to do with gender.

HE HAS A PROBLEM WORKING WITH CAPABLE WOMEN!!!!
Yeah right, so say all the capable women in his office, his political party, his family…. indeed most of the female Canberra journalists say that’s bullshit.

HE IS A CONFESSED LIAR!!!
Now that’s true. But it also places him one step above all those lying politicians who have yet to admit to something that the public already know.

AND HIS DAD WAS A DRAFT DODGER!!!
Yes, I know Kittylitter has very grudgingly and with reservation kind of apologised for this made up slur but it’s the kind of grubby little fabrication that finds its way into the history books because people don’t check.

Now if Abbott was as bad as the Left would have you believe, there would be no reason to fabricate all this shit against him now would there? One thing I have learnt in my many years is that the louder The Left scream about something (like, for instance, Climate Change) the more likely it is to be bullshit. And so it is with Tony Abbott.

Now on the other side, it is my view that the surface of the grubbiness has barely been scratched. I suspect it’s about to be.

Can’t see the wood for the trees.

I don’t know that you’ve been duped.

I reckon I’m a great bloke.

So do a lot of other people.

Others are ambivalent about me.

Others still think I’m an utter cnt. Seriously. Though why they think that I have no idea as I have never done to anyone anything that I would describe as a cnt’s act. Never cheated. Never stolen. Never bashed. Never undermined. Yet I hear from other parties that such and such hates me with a passion. Go figure.

There’s all of the above but yet more. He lives and works in Aboriginal communities during his holidays each year. I don’t do that. I go and race my boat instead. Aside from my brother I don’t know anyone who does that.

He’s involved in community sport. I get that. So am I. Respect, dude. There needs to be more of us.

He keeps fit. Good on him. I don’t. I wish I did.

He seems to have a nice family. That’s always a good sign.

But I don’t find him very likeable. Others that I know who’s opinions I respect do. They say he’s a great bloke.

So my respect is grudging.

Now let’s have all of your equally well thought through and articulated reasons why you detest the bloke so much. Surely that would require a more concise basis than “grudging respect”.

Good Lord. Narrow minded?? Well I didn’t know THAT!!!

OK, I hate the cnt too.

“Tony Abbott’s actually a really nice guy”

Ahem………………never met him myself but for what its worth apparently he is.

Being from Palm Beach a few of my friends are mixed up with the various Northern Beaches surf clubs via their kids being in the Surf Life Savers and the Nippers.

They reckon he’s a great guy and dare I say one of them is a Greenie.

Yeah……………that’s right one of my friends is a Greenie. Mrs Jaws says I apparently have others who are similarly mentally afflicted like that but they don’t tell me as they know my views.

Beware of Spartan women. They were more thuggish than the blokes could even dream of.

Based upon polling patterns stretching back years, it’s pretty clear that a majority see right through Abbott.
I count myself amongst them.

He’s not very good at hiding his inner conservative ugliness.

‘He’s not very good at hiding his inner conservative ugliness.’

These are not the words of a fence sitter…just sayin’.

‘I despise Abbott. I always have.’

Then you will have plenty of time to abuse him over the coming decade, he’ll be sitting in the big chairthingy for at least that long.

‘…he’ll be a one term wonder at most.’

That may well be the case, but the Coalition will continue to rule.

‘…a clayton’s troll.’

The troll you have when you don’t have trolls?

I respectfully request on the behalf of all contributors here an apology from james for misleading everyone on the use of the gender specific term ‘chairman’ .

And the ‘charthing’ derogatory and demeaning sexist pattern of behaviour is still being practised today. Abbott and his cohorts regularly call julia gillard ‘she’ rather than by her name, they hardly ever acknowledge her title of prime minister. This sexist behaviour would have been irrelevant today if he had actually stopped doing it years ago, but it has been an ongoing sexist dog whistle since JG became PM. Let’s not forget all the other examples like “no doesn’t mean no when it comes to julia’ etc.

“the first we have heard about it” but apparently it displays “wilful ignorance” because “somebody else” “heard about it” “10 years ago” (which, incidentally, is still 25 years after the event).

17 yrs, 25 yrs, what’s the diff? [goose and gander].

Just because it’s the first time that it has been broadcast in the media doesn’t mean it didn’t happen as evidenced by the people who have been telling the story for years without the media wanting to pick up on it.

“Urban Hamid had the same problem trying to get the embedded media to run the Ahbu-Gharab photos, .. Iraq torture photos, they were on the web for about 5 months before embedded media joined up with the story.”

Clearly it takes a little longer to get something that didn’t happen to get a run.

Only 35 years mind you

Which is not too bad for something that didn’t happen according to others there on the night.

No apology then? Hoist by your own petard I would say 🙂 So why not mount a big irrelevant and personal, aggressive rant as a ‘quick, look over there’
james, when cornered, can be counted upon to do exactly what he has just done!

Kittylitter, you type at your keyboard quite freely due to the guts of these blokes.

Yes, my own grandfather served in two wars and then went on to be a single parent to his 5 children, my family knows the guts of these blokes [and the horrors of war] and no, there was no glorification, there was truth told.

Abbott Senior was sent to Australia as a child. About 15yo. In 1940. I don’t think this is in dispute. Is it?

Didn’t they say 16 yo, now it’s 15? getting younger & younger

You can make an argument that the Diggers who went to WW1 might have done so with a false sense of adventure etc, I don’t, but the argument could reasonably be made.

That’s a big stretch, conscription is an adventure choice? i don’t think anyone could or would ‘reasonably’ argue that people, even the defence volunteers go to war for adventure. Most are poorer people who went for the opportunity of better, more regular wages. The wealthy ‘adventurists’ tended to find other important things to do, things that would keep them away from such excitement and adventure on the frontline. Don’y you think there’s something wrong if people see killing other people as an adventure?

Kittylitter……utter crap. And you won’t be getting any apology from me on the non-gender specific chairman as the meaning is explained in Riddick’s Rules of Procedure. Have a read.

‘Chairman’ comes from when men were always in the positions of authority james – have a think.

My uncle was in WW2, he was a few years older than my dad, both uncle and grandad were on the frontline, both returned thankfully, but not without the scars both mental and physical.

That’s just my side of the family, there was the same war service on my husband’s side. My kids paternal g’father went to war and then came home and built his own house by hand.

Kittylitter, you type at your keyboard quite freely due to the guts of these blokes.

I agree that they had guts, but they have no respect for war and the lies told. If people knew the truth, no-one would ever volunteer would they, no-one would let their children serve as cannon fodder for old men who start wars but are never held responsible or accountable for them.

Roxon certainly went over the top with the puerile attack on Abbott for answering questions at the Bali memorial.

I think the reaction of most people would be to suggest that she’s lost the plot. Roxon is a former (exclusive & very expensive private girls school) MLC pupil, maybe the current scandal at the school has caused her to lose her judgement.

Well, TB, you do have a history of reacting quite aggressively when the significance of service is downplayed. But maybe that’s only when it suits your politics.

Roxon certainly went over the top with the puerile attack on Abbott for answering questions at the Bali memorial.

The attack was for calling for a press conference there. Try to keep up.

Abbott made some announcements about assistance for victims of terrorism which he and the PM were in the midst of discussing at the time, and then launched into an attack on the Carbon Price, amongst other things.

He called a press conference, at a memorial, and used it to score political points whilst discussions were still ongoing. He also seems to have ignored the fact that he wants this Government to pay compensation, I guess because that which the Government he was a part of wasn’t satisfactory.

The only reason the reporters were there asking him questions is because he asked them to be there.

“The more the handbag harridans bash Abbott, the more I like him.”

Same here

It seems that many around here have so much “emotional and credibility capital “invested in him being a total and complete arsehole as a PM that I have to think to myself.

“What’s there not to like about a cnut like him” ?

In fact I wish we had more of him

The haters sure are shitting themselves………….LOL…………………………Good

I’ll see what the song is when I get home.

Paul Duffy’s biography of Abbott tells the two rescue stories. You’ll have to buy it. Apparently didn’t stick around for photos afterwards. I think he must have still had some beer left.

“…….he wants this Government to pay compensation, I guess because that which the Government he was a part of wasn’t satisfactory.”

Oh I forgot we are still talking about the previous government aren’t we.

What was the name of the PM back then ?

Was it Bob Menzies,…………. Harold Holt……………..Ummmm…………..John Gorton………………..Ummmm………………Billy Hughes………….?

Its sooooooooo long ago now I cant remember. But of course it’s all their fault. Whoever they were/are/is.

GO YOU FKN handbagz SYDNEY BLOODCLOTZ !!!

I hope they pulverise the black & white scum from Melbourne!

LOL

I thought it was rather mild compared to the imagery of his dangleberry post the other day.

We live in interesting times and in an era of relative austerity this is the most economically dangerous big spending government this Nation has ever seen.

Thankfully that big spending will be their downfall.

Wait till Gillard runs her next version of “but, but, but…. I’m a girl….” excuse.

Wayne Swan is hung like a BOSS !

Haterz be hatin’…

But, seriously. Gender should have nothing to do with politics.

All of them get their via inner arrogance & force of will & by not flinching when expedience compromises ideals. It has zilch to do with what’s between their legs.

”It has zilch to do with what’s between their legs.”

That’s true. Which is why Gillard cannot rely on being a female to provide expedient (exclusively female) diversions like “young & naïve” and then claim that her gender is being used against her.

However regardless of her gender, she’s duplicitous. But Swan is more stupid and more duplicitous.

* d’oh!….get there

If wanting smaller government and lower taxes makes someone a crank and a crazy then I’m as cranky and as crazy as anyone. 😯

If you think Romney stands for anything apart from more of the same then you are a crank!

Lip service is all he gives them. He knows he need only afford them soft placations coz they’ll never vote for the African Muslim Communist.

* Romney, that would be.

Hopefully Romney will deliver less of the same.

We VFL football* fans live in the past. 😉

*I refuse to concede this term to soccer whiners.

The Cronulla Swans to win!

Depression? Australia has been nowhere near depression, and our economic strength has little to do with government spending.

Swan remains one who thinks the best way to economic salvation is more debt. Loading future generations up with our debt is irresponsible.

How much debt to people think we should have, and if Swan’s forecast surplus is achieved, how many years will it take to get our debt back to where it was when the ALP took office?

Swan is a dill, as is so demonstrated by his bumbling intervention into US politics.

Imagine if Bush had directly criticised the ALP and the unions that run it. It would have been outrageous.

‘The Cronulla Swans to win!’

🙂

Romney is no mate of mine, unlike Swanny I’m neutral on the US farce.

“History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”

Karl Marx

And following on from that…now Lehman Bros have to fork out.

‘Justice Rares said the councils were entitled to damaged to compensate for their losses, including the capital they invested in the securities. This includes $3 million for the City of Swan, $4 million for Parkes and $9 million for Wingecarribee.

‘They will be entitled to more, but Justice Rares has not calculated the extent of final damages.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/lehman-ordered-to-pay-councils-millions-20120921-26bxk.html#ixzz276jijcsZ

A Sydney AFL team is playing in the AFL Grand Final in Melbourne. And a Melbourne NRL team is playing in the NRL Grand Final in Sydney.

20 years ago or less if you predicted it people would have laughed hysterically at you. Not with you

Crows won’t be there this year, snacty.

Hoping for an honourable defeat.

‘Belatedly, the Coalition will work harder to articulate a positive vision for Australia rather than just a negative attack. “This is the next phase,” says Hunt, “that he’s really only just embarking on, to offer a credible alternative government.”

A reasonably balanced argument and the monk will lift his game, which he was loathed to do so early…because the government will steal their ideas. Like the asylum seeker fiasco.

If he mentions infrastructure and Chinese borrowings our joolya will be onto it.

MOST HONOURABLE LOSS….EVER !!!

An election is in the air, joolya is out to educate students on trolls behaviour.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/anti-troll-lessons-for-the-classroom/story-e6freuy9-1226479122292

Gerard Henderson’s Media Watch Dog has kept a score card on the Age and its dislike of Abbott.

‘Opinion Page. The Age has run three illustrated leading opinion pieces – all attacking Tony Abbott – from David Patch (13 September), Michelle Grattan (14 September) and Robert Manne (17 September). The Age has not run one opinion piece even slightly sympathetic to Abbott on this issue.

‘News Pages. The Age has run five articles by Michelle Grattan criticising Tony Abbott on this issue – along with two by Tony Wright. No article sympathetic to Abbott has been published. Abbott was also bagged in The Sunday Age’s “The Heckler” column.

‘Letters Page. The Age has run eight letters criticising Tony Abbott on this issue – but only three supporting him. The Age rejected at least three other letters supporting Abbott.

‘Cartoons. The Age has run three feature cartoons bagging Tony Abbott – who was depicted in boxing gear on each occasion.

‘And The Age is supposed to be a newspaper which appeals to conservative readers and advertisers as well as social democratic ones. Can you bear it?’

I’m on Sydbney!

Crows dod fervently well….provoked me into a sickie…maybe…fuck you YONY…you know those CROWW gave those Hwak cunts the biggest fright of their life !!!!

I’m swinging with el snctos this week!! hardcore melcourne haterz…

* googlr ingested, skinned Z& fucked haha, made ya do it…

tom just

Another pathological liar unearthed.

‘LIBERAL powerbroker Michael Kroger yesterday accused the woman who levelled allegations of physical aggression against Tony Abbott during his student years of being a serial manufacturer of false complaints against her political opponents.

‘Mr Kroger produced dramatically written Trotskyist student political newsletters from the late 1970s, which he said showed that then communist Barbara Ramjan had claimed that members of the rival far-left Spartacists on the University of Sydney campus had threatened to kill her.’

Ean Higgins in the Oz

NSW Senator Lee Rhiannon of the Greens used to be a Spartacist.

And just below the surface still is

What can I say! We’re living the Tea Party Dream NOW, in Queensland!

Premier Campbell Newman says Queensland Government will be ‘the best’ in Australia; ASK Campbell Newman for the philosophy behind his plans to reshape Queensland’s public service and he’ll show you a diagram that looks like a spider’s web.

How much debt would you prefer Paul?

The current federal government deficit runs at over 4% of GDP – per year.

A few years of debt running at the current level will provide us with a world class debt. Something we can get genuinely, seriously anxious about.

Increasing public sector debt, combined with falling commodity prices and declining investment in mining, and plenty of empty retail, that’s a great legacy to hand on to the kids.

“….and the big difference between households and governments is that governments don’t fkn DIE! ”

Maybe………..but other Nations then refuse to lend anymore of their own hard earned to a bunch of wankers just pissing it up against a wall.

as “no respectable macroeconomist” believes that economic stimulus works.”

Interesting following the link where that quote came from

The main thing economists are battling over is whether the U.S. economy needs a large jolt of government spending. Those who think so—probably a majority—say the economy is at risk of sinking into a self-sustaining spiral, where a drop-off in consumer spending forces companies to cut jobs, leading to further cutbacks by consumers, and so on into a deeper hole.

http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2009-03-08/economists-rush-to-disagree-about-crisis-solutionsbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice

Prescott appears to be in the vast minority when he declares that “no respectable macroeconomist”. I guess it depends on your interpretation of ‘respectable’. Obviously, anyone who disagrees, isn’t ‘respectable’.

I’m not sure I’m as qualified as the economists linked.

But I’m certain that I’m more qualified in economics than the current treasurer.

Having a sound economy didn’t prove Costello was a master economist, and it didn’t save Howard. Swan’s good economic luck won’t save him either.

A few questions…

• But why are the ALP supporters so willing to transfer money from the next generation to themselves?

• Why do they continue with the fallacy that debt is fine, and its money we’re NOW entitled to?

• Why do they carry on about their responsibility in having a carbon tax to rescue future generations, while limiting their policy and taxation options by loading them up with our debt?

The most likely answer…

• Because they prefer the “vibe” of policy, to its reality.

So TomR advocates ordering in some more ink and getting those printing presses going. Lets print more money so we can debase the currency.

One will the Lunatic Left realise that governments have to tax or borrow to get their cash.

Printing money just devalues everyone’s cash holdings.

Its taxation by stealth.

TomR is the Number One supporter……………………..TB seems to like the idea……………..and Kitty prefers we go back to a village bartering system.

🙂

“Or are you trying to words in my mouth again”

Which of the 3 do you prefer ?

*Tax more

*Borrow more

*Print more (same as tax more in reality)

Everything in moderation (except perhaps beer)

“… or maybe because he’s got one of them Liberal Party Cracked Crystal Balls from 2007 and “hears” the voices …”

I doubt it as I voted for Rudd partly based on his statement that he was an “economic conservative” which proved to be just another Lie to add to the ALPs growing list.

Not all Nobel Laureates in Economics are Keynesians. Friedrich Hayek and James Buchanan from the Austrian School, and Ronald Coase, George Stigler, Milton Friedman, Robert Fogel, Gary Becker and Robert Lucas of the Chicago School would all disagree with Paul Krugman.

The only person talking about printing money here is, Wally?

He’s probably referring to my ‘everything in moderation’ comment TB

So TomR believes in taxing more and borrowing immoderately.

“So TomR believes in taxing more and borrowing immoderately. “

Yes it seems so

The problem is that eventually he’ll need to borrow a little more on his already “maxed out national credit card” to clear his 90 day account with his ink supplier (who will have put him on “Stop Supply”) so he can then buy some more barrels to print even more money .

But no one will be willing to lend it to him.

Actually TB, the term is Warlock 😉

Meanwhile, jaws wants jobs to go.

Just as well most CEOs think along the same lines..

Groupthink ❓

Individuals allocate resources more efficiently than governments. Smaller government and lower taxation leads to everyone being better off.

I’d like to know how much debt Tom R thinks we should leave to the next generation.

You don’t think there is an ethical problem with them growing up in an unemployed household?

Norway’s huge oils and gas exports afford it a high standard of living in spite of government policy, not because of it. (A bit like Australia and its mineral exports, actually.)

He updated it to correct his hockeynomics. It was $34/month 😉

“You should have been around in 2006, egg … a couple of us here and in other places (and I refer to John McPhilbin and your’s truly) were already TELLING the buggers!”

I think you might be referring to the GFC that had already hit in 2007 when you two were talking about it. But you were also talking about Depression and property values of 30% down and 20% unemployment.

I disputed your views at the time as did ToM and a few of us other Rightwing Dingbats.

Seems we were right and you were …………..very wrong

There it’s all corrected for you

“Meanwhile, jaws wants jobs to go.”

Let me correct that for you TomR.

I think you mean I want “positions ” abolished and bodies cast upon the street.

A “job” requires actual work needing to be done.

The backroom of the Federal PS serves no purpose other than to harbour bludgers. There are no actual jobs to be lost.

Seems Finland & Luxembourg are the favourites to get the Security Council seat because they have the backing of the EU

Why the hell are the EU backing those guys ?

Surely the EU is appreciative of Julia’s brilliant economic advice that they should look to Australia that she gave them at the last G20. ?

Geeeeeeez…………….all that great advice and this is the thanks you get.

It seems that Tom R and the barrackers really don’t get the difference between turnover and income.

In much the same way that you don’t get the difference between massive and minor. The borrowings we have are minor for an economy our size, which, when ‘compared’ as the kouk did above, puts it into a perspective. They are not meant to be equivalences, but comparisons.

$34/month. And you cry like its the end of the world.

And jaws wants tradies and labourers to lose their jobs, their kids to grow up unemployed.

You prefer people to live in poverty due to the excesses of others, when we have the means and capacity to avert it.

Faaaaaaaaaaark…………….. and apparently, Swan is the idiot 😯

Obviously I’m not in a position to comment on this story.

‘ELDERLY Australians committing welfare fraud on a massive scale are behind the extraordinarily high number of $100 notes in circulation, a former senior Reserve Bank official says.

‘Yesterday the Herald revealed there are now 10 $100 notes in circulation for each Australian, far more than the more commonly seen $20 notes.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-grey-economy-how-retirees-rort-the-pension-20120924-26hku.html#ixzz27QFKUPNX

That’s BS TomR (their jobs are safe)

Yes, thanks to the Government borrowing money to get us through the GFC

Do try to keep up ghost who dribbles

…pissed it up against the wall will have to pay…

When the tradies compete naturally I see the free market working as it should…without unnecessary government stimulus which is inflationary.

is it too much to ask that egg occasionally consult reality before blurting out any old crap….?

But then we’d never hear from him.

Oh, hang on, you could be onto something here reb 😉

The economic “wisdom” of egg.

Closely matched by his scientific ‘wishdom’

Jaws told him.

ROFL

Was that before or after he ran him over with the 4WD?

‘Jaws told him.’

This may come as a shock, but I’ve reached the age when I can think for myself on the economy and CC science.

“jaws wants tradies and labourers to lose their jobs”

No I dont

24,000 additional Canberra public servants since November 2007. I doubt too many are tradies or labourers.

“So you would’ve preferred to have seen mass unemployment in Australia immediately after the GFC.”

Sure if they are just back office public servants who are filling positions not actual jobs. I have no problem with them being made suddenly unemployed. Better we pay them a pittance on the dole than say $60K p.a. to occupy a desk.

We could use all those positions of $60K to increase the pay of nurses for instance.

There are something like 4,000 useless prats in the Federal Education Department. Yet it does not manage a single school.

Then there’s the Health Department which with the exception of one hospital in Tasmania has nothing to do with running state hospitals.

No I dont

So then you support the Government borrowing money to support those tradies jobs during the GFC?

I’ve seen the analogy – GDP isn’t income, it’s turnover.

Fkn EXACTLY. Possum is just as bad. They adopt this position of superior knowledge but anyone with half a brain and the willingness to check soon realises they are frauds.

There is a BIG problem with mounting debt if your income is consistently not matching your expenditure and your income is reasonably likely to drop in the short to medium term.

but anyone with half a brain and the willingness to check soon realises they are frauds.

Are you referring to the IMF there ❓ 😆

“….but more targeted to shop assistants.”

Really……………….got a Link.

“Our local one, as many around the area, in addition to the extra activities they use them for at school (not having to rent out halls for disco’s) actually get to rent out their own halls, bringing in money to the school.”

So TomR reckons a couple of discos each term and a Pilates class each week justifies a new school hall.

What can one say except…………………………….ROFLMAO

In my town a lot of $900 stimulus cheques were spent, as the government implored them to do, on instant gratification.

Entirely unnecessary.

Since TomR advocates a continuing borrowing strategy to fund his out of control government spending

Really……………….got a Link.

Either for where I said that, or the ‘out of control government spending’

Both would be good 😉

You must know to justify the expenditure in the first place.

Have you read the BER report paws? Here’s a starter for ya

http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/anao-report-on-ber-fact-meets-narrative.html

still awaiting your links …. patiently …. despairingly……. 😦

Gunns and Paperlinx are ongoing disasters in the timber and paper world.

None of my clients go near that shit

You made the statement that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.

No I didn’t. I used it to rebut your claim that “BER funds simply resulted in non productive school halls.”

What is wrong with peoples comprehension skills, or is it merely their desire to have people say what they want them to?

Still awaiting all those links you obviously cannot produce

You made the claim that………..”Let’s forget then that the $900 cheques were not geared to tradies, but more targeted to shop assistants.”

You made the claim that………..”Let’s forget then that the $900 cheques were not geared to tradies, but more targeted to shop assistants.”

True, and I provided a link

What does that have to do with the BER and your claim that I said “the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school.”?

“I like the product and it was always a gamble”

My my TB don’t let Kitty see that……………….LOL

For those not in the know Metal Storm was basically dedicated to the development of better military killing machines being massively high volume machine guns

As an aside I agree with TomR our communities are also richer for the other uses that the halls are being put too …

Hang on, according to paws, that means that you must think ” that the incoming rent justifies the cost of the build at your local school. ” (reading that with the left half of my brain deactivated) 😉

“In fact it’s prime market is in non lethal/lethal weaponry … in a shotgun model and grenade launch model … ”

You make it sound suitable for the shelves of Toys R Us……………LOL

“……….and have been unable to back up one of these.”

Because you wont back up your statement with figures.

So provide the figures if you wish to justify it on a financial basis. Otherwise stick to “social benefit” stuff.

So provide the figures if you wish to justify it on a financial basis.

Justify what? That schools renting out their halls disputes the fact that you said they were “non productive school halls.” You want I should go and get an invoice from the school 😆

The fact that they are leased out, irrespective of the price, destroys your initial claim. Trying to turn it around to mean ‘justifies a new school hall.’ was just dumb, or desperate, or both.

Go on, run away with your argument between your legs, it’s really just an admission that you cannot provide one link for any one of the false claims you have made this morning.

Pitiful.

Or as yomm calls it

The Daily Dotpoint 🙂

Yesterday you made the false comparison between GDP and household income

No I didn’t. The kouk did 😉 And, as I explained, it was only a comparison, not an equivalence. It doesn’t have to represent precisely the same thing, but it conveys the general meaning.That being, our level of debt is negligible, and highly sustainable.

You note the difference here between me addressing you, and paws just flailing in the air, making shit up?

And I’ll bet that, when paws is finished cowering, no links will be provided, probably just more accusations for things that I most obviously haven’t said.

Apparently, that is how RWDB’s ‘debate’

It’s the same with your heroes in Parliament. Full Of Shit!