Massive Poll Boost Puts Gillard in Election Winning Lead! (Part Two)
September 26, 2012
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Since it has now been well and truly established that the BER was largely a complete waste of money
ROFL
Third time for the slower ones (yea, that’s you paws)
http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/anao-report-on-ber-fact-meets-narrative.html
‘Then $10 Billion on the Green Energy Rorts Fund……………………….Then the Waste in having a Department of Climate Change (1200 lazy f**king public servants) that cant actually change the Climate at all……’
Music to my ears.
I put this on another thread, which has fallen off the end.
Channel 9 in big strife.
http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2012/09/channel-9-strife.html
Since it has now been well and truly established that the BER was largely a complete waste of money we really do need to talk about something different.
I see you beat me to the post by 19 minutes (had family here – strangely they take precedence over Wally’s Weplies) 🙂
Talk about “born to rule’ mentality … I used to work as an internal consultant for iggorant pricks who thought they knew it all (eat your heart out JH!) … and got paid to get ’em out of the shit because of their dumb decisions … then they took credit for what I’d done! … when I got pissed off enough, I woke up that I didn’t need to … as an external consultant they paid me to help them make decisions BEFORE they made ’em … the smart one’s of course … LOL! (BHPB, Rio, Incitec, Wesfarmers … smart corps … just to name a couple) … these guys realised that they were part of the local community … you know the ones that help you develop a business (schools, halls, training, pools, community history? Wallys, who sit in ivory towers playing chess with people’s lives just don’t get it!
I used to work as an internal consultant for ignorant pricks
So, you and paws go back then 😯
What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do with Mr Turnbull, when he appears on national television and cannot give core details of his rival NBN policy, yet demands that level of detail from the Government? What am I supposed to do with Mr Turnbull when he backflips over whether the Coalition’s NBN policy is costed or not? What am I supposed to do with Mr Turnbull when he won’t comment on the single biggest government policy that the technology community is concerned about, Nicola Roxon’s data retention and surveillance proposal? This is one Shadow Minister who appears to be trying his best to use his portfolio to hang himself. All I can do is continue to report on how tight the rope is getting.
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/26/turnbull-wont-disclose-rival-nbn-policy-details/
So, you and paws go back then
I what way, TomR?
I what wa
That would be with you as the internal consultant, and paws as …… 😉
LOL! Clever! 😆
Labor turns on Tanner and Barnaby dealt a blow as stalwart hangs on for no particular reason, other than he’s too young to retire…
‘Ross Garnaut has warned Australians to prepare for lower living standards.’
As I only earn a third of the minimum wage I hope he’s not talking about me.
‘Ross Garnaut has warned Australians to prepare for lower living standards.’
‘If changes such as the mining tax are not implemented’
it’s not like it’s tritter, why do you always have to cut quotes of after a certain number of characters, or, as is usually the case, just before the characters that fully qualify the statement. ❓
Leigh Sales showed her true loyalties on 7.30.
If there is a hint of criticism of Gillard, she’s on the attack.
Lindsay Tanner was outstanding in his logical, intelligent discussion about the ALP. Sales was just about apoplectic in the was she argued rather than interviewed. An atrocious performance, by Sales.
It demonstrates that the government is missing the genuine intelligent quality of Tanner, they’re stuck with Swan.
Swan, THE WORLD’S GREATEST TREASURER?
losers 😦
It demonstrates that the government is missing the genuine intelligent quality of Tanner, they’re stuck with Swan.
erm … Tanner was Finance Minister (not Treasurer – quite different role) … and he resigned … and while I agree with genuine, intelligent quality … he’s gone …
(Won’t comment on Leigh Sales, ain’t seen it … yet)
Channel 9 in big strife.
I have chosen for years now to boycott ch.9 due to it’s general blokiness and protection/promotion of unfunny sexist drivel from some commentators.
Perhaps many others have felt the same.
…LOL! (BHPB, Rio, Incitec, Wesfarmers … smart corps … just to name a couple) … these guys realised that they were part of the local community … you know the ones that help you develop a business (schools, halls, training, pools, community history?…
Revealed: the corporate clique ruling Australia’s schools
…Sometimes behind the scenes, more often screaming for attention on school websites and LinkedIn pages, the nation’s business leaders regard a private school sinecure as the ultimate networking opportunity, a chance to “give back”, or to stay in touch with the kids they neglected to pursue their white collar careers…
…but pulling the strings are a who’s who of Australia’s boardroom players. Many sit beside a high-powered “foundation” charged with raking in cash from benefactors, in addition to the millions gleaned each term in fees…
‘why do you always have to cut quotes of after a certain number of characters, or, as is usually the case, just before the characters that fully qualify the statement.’
Ahhh….no comment.
Lindsay Tanner looked good on 7.30 report….
‘due to it’s general blokiness’
That is so outrageously sexist I suggest you reread your PC manual.
True, Tanner was Finance Minister. But he wasn’t full of bullshit and bluster. He’s quite unlike Swan.
Leigh Sales was simply argumentative, she continually interrupted Tanner, who kept cool and reminded her that “this isn’t Today Tonight”.
She seemed quite rattled.
KL, you may have misunderstood … I was referring to the support of mining communities (eg Weipa, Blackwater, Emerald, Kalgoorlie, Mt Isa etc) .. and no-one is ever satisfied … but then look at JH’s corporate community record … or the banks …
She seemed quite rattled.
… as I said … not viewed yet …
… oh, I forgot you and Wally only read your own comments … over and over and over …
… and then, as an after thought, rewrite other people’s comment to reflect your own point of view … the lurkers must find that quite intrigueing … NOT! 🙄
‘If changes such as the mining tax are not implemented’
haha, I wondered about that, thanks for clearing it up tomR.
g’arn egg, bust a move for your magnificent
obsessiondeception!KL, you may have misunderstood … I was referring to the support of mining communities
I was supporting your comment TB, showing where the corp bigwigs like to be involved and where they support the community!
too subtle?
‘g’arn egg, bust a move for your magnificent obsession deception!’
“I think we’re going to have a very difficult time adapting to the decline in living standards that’s going to be a necessary part of the adjustment to the end of phase one and two of the boom,” he told a conference on the rise of Asia. Professor Garnaut’s warning that the looming economic adjustment would be more painful because governments had not saved enough of the resources boom in budget surpluses came as international ratings agency Standard & Poor’s reaffirmed Australia’s AAA sovereign rating assuming budget cuts continue.’
Fin Review
I haven’t seen 7:30 either [will r/v with interest], perhaps tanner has come out from behind the sofa because he thought it possible that gillard labor could be clawing back some support.
The timing of this makes me wonder if tanner has been engaging in some agent provocateur hobbies [perhaps with freelancer rudd] since ‘the dismissal’. Nothing would surprise any more. Wish tanner would write a book about it and let us all know how it went down.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Aust-must-prepare-for-lower-living-standards-Garna-pd20120919-YANYT
“I think we’re going to have a very difficult time adapting to the decline in living standards that’s going to be a necessary part of the adjustment to the end of phase one and two of the boom,” he said at a conference exploring the rise of Asia.
Mr Garnaut said the problem is of particular concern because governments did not do enough to save the proceeds from the mining boom, beginning in 2003, to carry economies through less lucrative periods…
Well we always knew that the good times will have to end one day, can’t always pull a sixpence out of the magic pudding. We should have taken more tax off the miners and removed their subsidies when we could, they’ve raked in such obscene profits that they are now trying to takeover the whole joint.
Good to see TomtRoll defending the venue of his early morning ( at a guess 11:55am) Pilates classes.
Obviously he has given up on the other areas of waste I highlighted. Finally he’s admitted the ALPs massive failures.
I see Lindsay Tanner has joined the “Hate Media”. He reckons its too late and the ALP is just fucked.
So one if the original Gang of 4 says the attacks on Rudd are exaggerated to justify getting rid of a PM.
It took him 2 years ?
Garnaut knows sweet fuck all about the mining boom. Just ask anyone in a bank about Garnaut and they will tell you he must have compromising photos of important people to get the jobs he gets. He’s a fuckwit.
He shuts up shop as soon as anyone asks him about Ok Tedi.
He’s a fuckwit of the highest order.
I rate Swan as a better economist as do many others.
Garnaut is actually not just a fuckwit he’s a right proper CNUT.
Damn, I was in the Hamster studio, and missed my `cow` and Tanner.
Wish Granted Armchair.
Newsbreak said Tanner is releasing a book about his time in the `gang of four`, the Rudd situation `over-blown`.
“Just ask anyone in a bank”
Meaning a mining finance guy ( usually an engineer these days)
Just seen Tanner on sbs1 news-break, he says,
” Gillard government has lost its way, and is chasing popularity ”
and
” the rhetoric about Rudd is exaggerated to defend the indefensible ”
sorry Lefties, the kooks get to make merry for a while.
Tanner seems to be still disgusted.
The ALP are History.
That slimey and slippery turd of a PM has destroyed the ALP.
Cue laughter
1 day after its collapse the CFMEU is having a little cry because Gunns won’t be able to meet staff entitlements.
Will the CFMEU attack the ALP/Greens for helping destroy the company ?
Trashing of Kevin Rudd only damages Labor, says Lindsay Tanner
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/trashing-of-kevin-rudd-only-damages-labor-says-lindsay-tanner/story-fn59niix-1226481418631
FORMER finance minister Lindsay Tanner has broken his long silence on Labor politics to condemn the removal of Kevin Rudd in June 2010 and the assault by senior ministers on the former prime minister’s reputation during the leadership contest in February this year.
“I think panic was a significant factor in the removal of Kevin Rudd as prime minister but there were multiple factors involved,” Mr Tanner told The Australian.
Asked if he believed it was a mistake to remove Mr Rudd as PM, he said: “Yes, I do. I agree with John Howard’s assessment. Had Labor kept its nerve, we would have won the 2010 election.”
He repudiated the attacks by senior ministers on Mr Rudd’s management earlier this year, calling them “extremely perverse” and “highly exaggerated”.
And he revealed that in late 2009, when concerns about decision-making were raised in cabinet, “only a couple of ministers complained at the time”.
Heads Up Armchair
Exclusive extract of the chapter Inside the Gang of Four, from Politics with Purpose: Occasional Observations on Public and Private Life by former Labor finance minister Lindsay Tanner (Scribe, $32.95), out today.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/inside-the-gang-of-four/story-e6frg6z6-1226481341661
Heads Up Armchair
I thought the tanner interview was a bit weird, he wanted to offer his criticism but didn’t want people to think that he was criticising them and he knows nothing about the dimissal, how, why or who! Weird
I saw it as a book promotion interview, that is all he was doing, selling his book.
Leigh Sales was simply argumentative, she continually interrupted Tanner, who kept cool and reminded her that “this isn’t Today Tonight”.
I didn’t see that tomM, sales was pressuring him to give something up, why come on the show to say nothing? Tanner went for the stern parent, accept no nonsense from his teenaged child approach. Sales backed down as soon as she saw that tanner is no abbott. It was all a bit pointless really. Sales was professional and respectful throughout, tanner was just putting up roadblocks because he still didn’t want to give any info about those events. He just wanted to flog his book.
He obviously didn’t like the way that the foot soldiers attacked rudd publicly when the spill was called earlier [neither did I]. I think he is still very loyal to the party and the cause, he mourns the loss of a visionary and charismatic leadership/party and reform for the common good. I must admit i agree with him, I don’t like the compromise and the acceptance of opposition driven demands. Labor should have the guts to make the real changes, take them all on and then take the public with them. Rudd was nearly there and then he chickened out under pressure from the industry lobby and the fear campaigns, he was going to dig in on the mining tax until the gutless right wing caved in and the rest is history.
thanks 730
No worries Armchair .. Does anyone else see the irony in Tanner releasing his book on the `gang of 4` and Joolya coming down with the stomach ache/food poisoning.?
Was it the same day? Yeah, I could read a book in a day if I put my mind to it.
‘Garnaut is actually not just a fuckwit he’s a right proper CNUT.’
I tend to agree with those sentiments, after Garnaut’s efforts in putting a price on a harmless trace gas.
‘sales was pressuring him to give something up’
Ah, no. She was embarrassing herself yet again.
i> … too subtle?
Yes, I missed your point last night … there’s “support” and there’s support …
THE Attorney-General, Greg Smith, is suing broadcaster Ray Hadley for defamation in the NSW Supreme Court today.
Mr Smith had threatened to sue Hadley over comments the high-rating radio 2GB presenter made about the Attorney-General’s treatment of paedophiles in April and May.
http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/smith-takes-hadley-to-court-for-defamation-20120926-26lnk.html
Meanwhile, drunken, violent rampages appear to be a weekend at the hadleys.
I agree with much of what AO has said about the malaise of the ALP, though I don’t want a charismatic leader as much as simply an honest one.
With regard the Tanner/Sales argument/interview, I thought Sales lost the plot, she seemed flustered and bothered that Tanner wouldn’t fall for her efforts to get him to make even veiled criticism of Gillard. Tanner was too astute.
He has rightly sought to balance the record about the performance of Rudd and his government – Crean, Shorten, Swan etc all displayed their genuine hack credentials in trashing Rudd. They diminished themselves far more than their target.
In similar circumstances, ie an argumentative interview, Swan would have blustered and obfuscated, that’s his modus operandi, and the ALP barrackers would have applauded his effort.
…and sometime soon we’ll observe Sales back this effort up with a soft interview of Gillard.
“….Meanwhile, drunken, violent rampages appear to be a weekend at the hadleys.”
Oh really…………………a teenage birthday party with 70 guests where the front gates to a driveway were knocked off their hinges whether or not by accident qualifies as a “violent rampage”
What fantasy land do you seriously occupy ?
and sometime soon we’ll observe Sales back this effort up with a soft interview of Gillard.
Would this represent some sort of ‘balance’ for the massages ulman gives tabot? Assuming it would happen.
Sales seems to be just pretty hard on everyone, which is how it should be, although (I haven’t seen this interview yet) I am sick of journo’s interrupting people, unless they are refusing to answer a question, which is different to providing a different to answer to what they would like. Kerry used to interrupt on the former, but not the latter. This new crop appear to not understand that ‘nuance’ 😉
‘I think he is still very loyal to the party and the cause, he mourns the loss of a visionary and charismatic leadership/party and reform for the common good. I must admit i agree with him…’
Yep…that’s it in a nutshell.
‘I am sick of journo’s interrupting people, unless they are refusing to answer a question…’
In yes minister style, perhaps, but Sales shows her bias and that’s not a good look.
The Tanner interview is on the 730 web site…
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
Leigh Sales came off second best in my not so humble opinion….
She’s constantly looking for her “blood off your hands” moment as per Richard Carleton and Hawke back in 83.
Whitlam was a charismatic leader of Weberian stature.
Here is the extended 20 minute version…
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3598557.htm
‘Once unleashed, the politics of personal destruction is hard to contain. This was evident in The Australian’s bizarre editorial of September 15, warning Labor to lay off Abbott or run the risk of people raking over Gillard’s relationship with Craig Emerson 10 years ago.
‘This is one of the most remarkable positions ever adopted by a media outlet. Dropping any pretence to independent, news-driven journalism, The Australian is now operating as a stand-over merchant for the Abbott campaign, directly threatening the Prime Minister with personal and political reprisals.’
Mark Latham (Fin Review)
The Australian is now operating as a stand-over merchant for the Abbott campaign, directly threatening the Prime Minister with personal and political reprisals.’
So unlike Latham himself 😉
I wonder what has prompted his new found desire to step in front of the bandwagon, instead of jumping on it?
Latham fancies himself as a journalist with ‘very good analysis and provocative opinion.’
Tanner and Sales 730report Transcript, On-Air
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3598613.htm
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Unfortunately, my `cow` was too busy trying to plat `gotch` with Tanner and as a result got herself `milked`. She should have known better than to try and gish-gallop Tanner. Tanner has usually tried to answer questions properly and give proper interviews, unusual for politicians. But my `cow` seemed to fail to realize this and did a B-Grade job. I apologize to all viewers for this poor performance.
It’s interesting that so many people are now understanding the unsatisfactory structure of the ALP. Tanner is the latest example.
About 10 years ago Neville Wran and Bob Hawke put together their review of the party and made a number of recommendations to re-energise the membership and branches. Nothing happened to implement it, other than the unions trashed Crean when he tried to implement a recommendation to redress the unhealthy control they exercised.
Other than that, it gathered dust.
Then Fawkner, Bracks and Carr tried to make some sense of the 2010 debacle. The sealed section has never been released or implemented.
The critique of Tanner follows all the reports and recommendations of ALP luminaries, John Button and Barry Jones have made similar comments, but the ALP just won’t face up to it’s own deficiencies because it’s the prisoner of hacks and warlords.
correction .. too busy trying to play `gotcha` with Tanner ..
Gordo .. “adopted by a media outlet. Dropping any pretence to independent, news-driven journalism, The Australian is now operating as a stand-over merchant for the Abbott campaign”
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I`m glad Gordo and Latham have opened their eyes.
`The-Arse-Of-The-Nation` and `Hun` and `Terrorgraph` are often acting as the self-appointed Lobbying outfit for Mr-Rabbits mob.
The Finkelstein Inquiry Transcripts are a great read on this.
I Highly Recommend reading them
“I apologize to all viewers for this poor performance.”
That’s quite alright reportland.
She did get her knickers in a knot when Tanner simply remained calm and collected while she worked herself up into a frenzy.
In a way it was mildly entertaining but she just ended up looking stoopid.
But at least she has a more dynamic interviewing style than the insipid Chris Ulhmann. You really ought to get rid of him.
Fairwork Australia wants to influence India’s IR Laws.
Seriously………………….where do we find these useless cnuts of public servants.
“Daniel Mackey of Fair Trade Australia said it was the “worst thing” that could happen for stitching work to be simply taken from families who had become dependent on it.
Instead, he said, the adults in those households should be paid better wages so that their children weren’t compelled to work and would instead go to school.
“We see this as a missed opportunity to work with the suppliers to ensure that fair and equitable working conditions are established for the parents of these children, thus helping to remove the conditions that allow child labour to persist.”…………..”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/sherrins-child-labourers-abandoned-20120927-26mr3.html#ixzz27da8NgN8
Tanner has usually tried to answer questions properly and give proper interviews, unusual for politicians.
Yes, there was a time when I thought he would make a great PM, I preferred him to rudd [still do]. Sales was never going to fluster the unflusterable and besides he is way too knowledgeable. His last book was all about his loathing of the gotcha and the sideshow rather than the genuine debate wasn’t it? I imagine he had nothing but contempt for the interview so why do it?
Was the ‘left’ so isolated from the labor right wing that tanner really does know nothing about it? I can’t recall now, was douggie cameron steamed up?
It’s interesting that so many people are now understanding the unsatisfactory structure of the ALP. Tanner is the latest example.
I think it’s nothing that hasn’t been endlessly debated for years, i don’t know why everyone is so obsessed with the machinations and power controls within labor. The liberals don’t get any of that yet they have the same faceless men, the same factions and disputes, the same undemocratic selection processes with staffers and apparatchiks getting the jobs. Nothing is different about their cronyism and corruption, but they don’t get any of this microscopic inspection.
My personal opinion is that it is simply this ongoing campaign by capital interests to always de-legitimise unions, their only threat to a complete takeover of everything. Their loudest megaphone is murdoch.
It always was always will be a class war and so far the capitalists have won. But look around the globe, there is a groundswell of revolution, people are ready to overthrow the failed free market system.
Just this morning I heard a news item where the commentator said “markets are worried” I thought to myself how is it that the market is equated with a person and given human feelings and emotions with corporations being given person-hood status [as in the US].
She did get her knickers in a knot when Tanner simply remained calm and collected while she worked herself up into a frenzy.
In a way it was mildly entertaining but she just ended up looking stoopid.
It’s a contest, sometimes with wit.
Can you guys be a little objective? Sales was not flustered her knickers were in place. She applied an interviewing technique designed to rattle the professional politician well versed in media management. Tanner went for another ‘blocking’ technique of authority. Howard did it with his ‘stern parent/child’ authority and ‘personal put-downs’ as well. Abbott does the occasional “don’t be impertinent” or when that fails he just lies outright [and when that fails, it’s a mute head nodding silence].
You have to be careful that by putting the interviewer down you don’t end up looking worse than them [howard & abbott]. tanner did it very well, yes sales had to give up – tanner won. Keating and hawke did it so well and wittily that we loved to see them kick the arse of the interviewer [but they still didn’t answer the questions!]
Uhlmann does similar doesn’t he? [but only on labor politicians 😉 ]
Instead, he said, the adults in those households should be paid better wages so that their children weren’t compelled to work and would instead go to school.
India’s political system is known for it’s corruption.
Are you supporting child labour jaws?
Of course the parents should not need to send their kids out to labour for the family to eat. Isn’t that the very difference between a third and first world nation?
This is the kind of pressure that should be applied in global politics and what we should all be supporting instead of looking the other way while children are being used and abused and only caring about how cheaply we can obtain india’s goods at the expense of the poor.
Armchair .. “.I imagine he had nothing but contempt for the interview so why do it?.”
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Across different media platforms, with some variation, book, music and movie deals contain promotion clauses in most cases.
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Just as we see Actors running around from chat-show to chat-show to spout hollywood derp on Letterman, Oprah, etc, Scribe will have a promotion clause on Tanner and he is under contract to do the derp.
‘I`m glad Gordo and Latham have opened their eyes.’
Editorial political bias is acceptable and understandable. I remember having an argument with Donald Horne over the Whitlam coup and I came off second best, he marked me down.
In the same way that Fairfax luvs joolya, as evidenced by the ferocious attack on Abbott’s character…unsubstantiated nonsense about nothing.
As long as there is a balance of news and opinion…all is well.
‘Can you guys be a little objective? Sales was not flustered her knickers were in place.’
😉
reb .. “.more dynamic interviewing style than the insipid Chris Ulhmann. You really ought to get rid of him..”
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Yes reb, we get a lot of complaints about Toolman`s gish-galloping interviews with the ALP, particulaly `Treasurer` Wayne Swan.
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Your suggestion, is duly noted. Unfortunately, we can`t.
Under the Howard regime meddling, disguised as `balance`
these are going to keep Toolman.
http://www.abc.net.au/corp/board/board_members.htm
“Are you supporting child labour jaws?”
Actually Yes…………………………..if it means a family gets to eat rather than starve.
The flipside of your question is that as a matter of principle (your principles that is) you would rather see them starve
Archair .. “.It’s a contest, sometimes with wit..”
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Sometimes it is, but only as a last resort.
The news reporter should be asking questions and ALLOWING guest to answer, in a fashion that produces information, sensibly FOR the audience, NOT the reporters ego. With a book promo, which is largely `canned` news anyway, the news org will have a pre-release copy of the book. There would have been enough preparation time for my `cow` or her research team, to read and prepare for the pre-recorded segment.
One day Kitty you will learn to deal with the realities of the World rather than your constant referencing then postings on textbook utopianism
Are you supporting child labour jaws?”
Actually Yes…
That’s a pretty disgusting view.
The flipside of your question is that as a matter of principle (your principles that is) you would rather see them starve
At least I have principles. Where have I said the above? Don’t know why you must keep putting your words in the mouths of others. All governments and the’ free market’ should be supporting the kids being educated and people having enough wages or social services to feed, house and clothe themselves.
If the ‘trickle down’ and ‘floating of boat’s’ that capitalists chant as a mantra depends upon child labour, then the corporations and their shareholders who know child labour is used to produce cheap goods for their profits are culpable. They are morally and ethically bankrupt. As is anyone who supports it.
Editorial political bias is acceptable and understandable.
Except when it leaves the editorial and becomes the method of all reporting/opinion by journalists without any disclosure to the public who accept it as non-biased and factual.
“trickle down”…
I always get a laugh out of that great Liberal theory of economics…
That “trickle down” sensation you’re feeling is just the rich pissing on you from above…
Says Kitty as she pulls on her Nikes
“Are you supporting child labour jaws?”
Actually Yes…………………………..if it means a family gets to eat rather than starve.”
Nice selective quote Kitty
So it seems all the Lefties decide over their Cafe Lattes they would rather they starve.
Noice
One of my favorite americanisms, `trickle down`, for the corporatologist`s that worship reaganomics. They don`t even realize the Koch brothers are pissing on their heads and telling them its raining.
So it seems all the Lefties decide over their Cafe Lattes they would rather they starve.
Noice
No, we’d rather see decent wages and conditions for adults …
The Robber Barons, still CHOOSE NOT to pay a decent wage for services rendered by third world families … these same families are deliberately kept poor and uneducated …
Global Robber Barons reap bumper profits at the expense of third world children …
(in one rug factory we visited in Egypt the children worked for four hours in the morning and attended school in the afternoon – paid for by the factory owner … it was a start, our guide informed us …
… in the 18th Century “businessmen” were all for slavery, particularly child slavery … and in 19th century England kids as young as seven were woking in mines and factories (and being injured or killed) … while The Robber Barons built “stately” homes … homes built on blood and pain and tears and short lives …
You really don’t like kids at all do you, Wally? They can work, eat and die in the sweatshop or simply starve and die … the other option doesn’t seem to enter the equation …
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/citizenship/struggle_democracy/childlabour.htm
Says Kitty as she pulls on her Nikes
Not only words being put in mouth but shoes being put on feet! I’ve had the same ones for casual/sports for years.
typical ‘debating’ style of jaws, i have no nikes.
have you ever heard of blackspot trainers? guess not.
🙄
Now it’s all lefties, cafe lattes, your own little ‘gotcha’ wank I suppose, except it’s all played out in your head and you get to declare yourself the winner. What silly games you play. I would’ve thought that yesterday’s efforts were cringeworthy enough, but no, you keep going until you finally enter the realm of the unhinged.
When you’ve quite finished making up your own little drama with your own scenes and endings which have no similarity to the actual conversation that took place.
One day Kitty you will learn to deal with the realities of the World rather than your constant referencing then postings on textbook utopianism
One day you’ll learn to become a human being and have some compassion for those less fortunate then yourself in this ‘real world’ of inequality and greed that you espouse.
This so-called `free-trade` the embedded media chortle about nightly, is actually the slavery of children, poor, and desperate. They to, are too stupid, gutless and corrupt to report the truth.
“your own little ‘gotcha’ wank I suppose”
🙂
That seems to sum up Flaws’ blogging style perfectly….. 🙂
“You really don’t like kids at all do you, Wally? They can work, eat and die in the sweatshop or simply starve and die … the other option doesn’t seem to enter the equation …”
I have no problem with kids.
I do hope every single one of you Café Latte Lefties get a reality check done ASAP.
I do hope you all do forensically detailed research on every single item you buy from Coles or Woolworths that’s been imported from a Third World Country for any component of child labour.
Perhaps a child tendered the market garden in outback China for that canned asparagus or beetroot that going into your salad.
How the flying f**k would you know.
Otherwise you, Kitty and 730 are simply amongst the biggest f**king hypocrites to walk the Earth.
But that’s nothing new
As I said…………… Go get a reality check and stop it with this textbook Utopian bullshit that you keep banging on about.
“When you’ve quite finished making up your own little drama with your own scenes and endings which have no similarity to the actual conversation that took place.”
Yes, Tom R was one of the cast of characters embroiled in Flaws’s little fantasyland theatre the other day.
It is very odd, he is genuinely inhabiting the realm of the unhinged. Maybe he’s got too many tax returns to do at this time of year. It could be stress-related. You know, searching for that ever elusive deduction here, another one over there, furtively looking sideways while dunking milk arrowroot biscuits in his Lady Grey.
Or maybe it’s just the heat and isolation? Who knows, and who really gives a fuck?
BTW, this is very VERY FUNNY!!!
(contains one or two swear words)…
Perhaps a child tendered the market garden in outback China for that canned asparagus or beetroot that going into your salad.
You could be dead right!
But this “fkn hypocrite” thinks it should be STOPPED … you obviously DON’T … plaintively crying “it’s the way of the world” … evil exists where evil people let it happen!
So what’s next. Are you going to ban tourism to Third World countries. Because purchasing anything from a street market is the most direct example of the “trickle down effect” that you sooooooooooooo despise.
What about the cheap shoes or cheap shirts you bought on your visit to Bali or Thailand or Malaysia ?
That’s when YOU YES YOU (Mr or Mrs Rich Westerner) did the “pissing” on the poor remember………..
Before you buy anything at a street market do you take the time to visit the factory first ?
You Lefties are just unbelievable with the utopian crap you keep harping on about.
Easy Flaws .. I know, and was referring to the supermarket duopoly. But don`t forget, most the stuff you wear is proudly slave-made too. India was the first slave-market k-mart target big-w and the rest started getting clothing and footwear from.
Ooooh get her!
Mr and Mrs Uppity Flaws of Sydney’s Northern suburbs…
Having a go at “us lefties” for wearing clothes that we’ve inadvertently purchased.
Instead of just mincing around the house in an old knitted cardigan that Missus Flaws whipped up on the Pfaff Knitting Machine from a pattern nicked from the Women’s Weekly Autumn Fashion Collection 1972 Catalogue.
Meanwhile Missus Flaws has to get around in a one-piece cat suit made from an old recycled bin-liner.
It’s no wonder he works from home, innit..?
BTW, this is very VERY FUNNY!!!
That is brilliant!
(When did you record that, sreb? Your’e very good! You look younger than I thought, too!) 😉
Before you buy anything at a street market do you take the time to visit the factory first ? Wally Flaws @ 5:49
TB @ 5:19
🙄
“It’s no wonder he works from home, innit..?”
Not always.
I do timeshare an office with parking in the CBD and one in the inner Eastern Suburbs as well.
In both I a have couple of locked wardrobes in which I store a seperate supply of clothing including a supply of corporate cardigans.
“TB @ 5:19 :roll:”
Flaws only sees what he wants to see TB…
To a hammer, everyone looks like a nail.
I a have couple of locked wardrobes in which I store my heart, brains, common-sense and free-will. I Love `trickle-down`.
“One day you’ll learn to become a human being and have some compassion for those less fortunate then yourself in this ‘real world’ of inequality and greed that you espouse.”
I sleep quite soundly actually
Perhaps you should do some self examination.
…furtively looking sideways while dunking milk arrowroot biscuits in his Lady Grey.
oh i’m sure he’d at least have a family pack of arnotts creams, completely oblivious to the taste delight of a plain or choc covered mcvities digestive!
I can see him now, sitting in his home office, mrs flaws flapping over him, tending to his every want before he even wants it, livin’ the dream. Both looking out the window at the removalist van and re-living the excitement of the marriage split. Texting the mates.
To a hammer, everyone looks like a nail.
tht’s jaws, the ‘sledge’hammer!
“I sleep quite soundly actually”
So did Scrooge, apparently….
“Perhaps you should do some self examination.”
From the mouths of babes……………..
timeshare – how quaint!
Now that must have been an accountant’s invention!
😆
“tht’s jaws, the ‘sledge’hammer!”
So says the bluntest tool in the shed
“Both looking out the window at the removalist van and re-living the excitement of the marriage split. Texting the mates.”
Remember my old neighbour the pedophile priest and his wife……
They had a “framed” copy of their marriage certificate hanging on the wall of their bedroom.
That always struck me as a bit odd.
I couldn’t quite figure out whether it was meant to be some sort of ransom note or blackmail.
People are fkn weird.
To a hammer, everyone looks like a nail.
GOLD! GOLD! GOLD! 😛
That always struck me as a bit odd.
That’s ’cause it IS!
OH! BTW … I was reminded around 1:00 pm that we’d been married for 44 years TODAY! The Minister had forgotten too! LOL! (and I’d forgotten again ’til now!)
Congratulations TB… 🙂
Ta, sreb … still happy after 46 years (met when we were 17 and 19 … been a fab life together!)
Because purchasing anything from a street market is the most direct example of the “trickle down effect” that you sooooooooooooo despise.
You know what I despise – bargaining them down to nothing and thinking you are so great for exploiting the poverty of others when you could easily afford the cheap asking price anyway.
OH! BTW … I was reminded around 1:00 pm that we’d been married for 44 years TODAY! The Minister had forgotten too! LOL! (and I’d forgotten again ’til now!)
hehe, solid as a rock you two!
(“hehe, solid as a rock you two!”)
I like that, KL, ta!
… still happy after 46 years… been a fab life together!)
How wonderful to hear a man saying that, not whinging about marriage and wimmins and angry at life. Some are still fighting wars, the male ‘fightback’ on PC where they feel their superiority is under challenge. I also love hearing modern men who are so totally into their new babies, doing everything they can to support and assist. A new father I spoke to the other day said of his baby daughter “she is awesome” he said it with such love and delight that I still think of it.
Warms the heart and gives hope for a brighter future for humans. Love these awesome men like TB.
‘Except when it leaves the editorial and becomes the method of all reporting/opinion by journalists without any disclosure to the public who accept it as non-biased and factual.’
That’s Fairfax all over, but we are fortunate in Australia that we have Rupert to offer an alternative on a whole range of issues in news and opinion.
Its the sin of omission that Fairfax indulges in (especially on CC) which colours their world view.
“Love these awesome men like TB.”
And me. AND ME!!!
Happy Anniversary to you and your wife TB.
And me. AND ME!!!
We love ya, bro!
My Teutonic, mate, has just had serious surgery on his shoulder … eight weeks off work … rang him to see how he was … we have discussed that given a few decades we could have been chucking grenades at each other … very sad … and he calls me his brother from another mother! An amazingly clever bloke too … that’s why people have trouble with his cutting humour (what the fk is wrong with humour?) Haaaaa humor … Jeeeeesus … a crumbling Empire and it still can’t spell!
Ta, 073! 😉
Congrats TB, but I remain sceptical about marriage…its not made in heaven no matter what the romantics say.
Life’s what you make it egg…. 🙂
(“its not made in heaven no matter what the romantics say.”)
Thank christ for that! Nothing is ever “made” when it comes to human relations – it’s developed … by people …
Hear hear TB…!!!
Hey scrambled egg, your Rupert Love is wasted on a criminal organisation that hacks phones, digital TV and interferes in police inquiries.
Apologies, egg, ta!
I must say, I didn’t post my44 for congrats (all gratefully received) … I just thought it was “significantly amusing” that I’d ‘forgotten” twice on the day! Luckily so did The Minister!
(sreb’s fiddling with the layout again … no probs here, mate, but do wordpress have a pommie dictionary you can access?)
‘…your Rupert Love is wasted …’
What the organisation did in the UK has no relevance in Australia.
‘What the organisation did in the UK has no relevance in Australia.’
Very true, el gordo. Some
escapee from Pure poisoncommenter whose name escapes me arrived here at the time of the News of the World scandal and kept banging on and on about how the Australian branch of News was just as corrupt and it was all about to be exposed.You don’t see him around these parts much these days.
Did I tell you I’m going to buy a Mitsubishi Outlander V6 3.0lt? (The new Outlander will be here in December – but no V6 just a 2.0lt diesel and petrol … duh!)
Our Magna is a really top car (12 yo with 140,000km on the clock and purrs all services and major repairs documented!) but time to move on …
So scrambled egg, are you saying you are happy with the bias to the point of Lobbying in Ruperts rags.? A fully satisfied customer.?
Happy anniversary to you & The Minister TB. Pass on my congratulations to The Minister please – putting up with you for 46 years. Definitely saint material
What I’m sayin’ 730 is that Fairfax is biased to the left and Rupert to the right, this effects editorial content in both stables. We have choice in what we read.
Imagine if we only had Fairfax disseminating news and opinion, we would be forced to read between the lines to figure out what the hell is going on. The same applies if Rupert’s rags were operating in isolation.
So we are fortunate in that respect, viva le difference.
In the March quarter there was a surge in immigration and in response new south welshmen are leaving in droves.
‘The NSW government has targeted population growth as a means of lifting the state’s economy – which means there remains a great deal to be done. While NSW continues to attract overseas migrants, it also continues to lose locals, mainly to Queensland. Some 17,800 more New South Welshfolk moved out of the most populous state compared to the rest of the nation.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/migration-pushing-population-growth-higher-20120927-26n0t.html#ixzz27fh8gERU
Hey scrambled egg, some of Rupert’s rags are operating in isolation.
The only paper in some places. Why don`t those members of the public deserve accurate, truthful reporting.?
Ta, Baccy, dutifully passed on … she said, “he’s sounds very clever” … then I told her the truth! 😆
Happy 44th, 46th TB (whichever??)
… then I told her the truth
Perhaps that’s how it’s done, interesting 😉
‘…don`t those members of the public deserve accurate, truthful reporting.?’
Fairfax owns most of the rags in NSW, they control the news which is picked up by the electronic media.
The troof is not out there, we are kept in the dark, but nobody seems to notice.
Perhaps that’s how it’s done, interesting
Strange you should say that … I was talking about Baccy being clever … not … 😉 (as you know) …
But I reckon the truth is at the heart of any long term marriage … or relationship …
… telling the truth may sometimes get you in the shit … but it’ll generally be short term … tell a lie and eventually it comes out with all the other “support” lies because you lied in the first place and then the shit is long term!
I don’t lie … not because I’m a goody two shoes … I just like a quiet life**! 🙂
**And I have an awful memory … a prerequisite for a good liar (another oxymoron, methinks)
Calling Farifax ‘lefty’ is a real stretch. Even for you. Or is ‘lefty’ the new term for ‘balanced’
Also, while they are more ‘balanced’, they still sink to the pathetic ‘he said, she said’ style of ‘reporting’.
But I reckon the truth is at the heart of any long term marriage
Aint that the truth.
scrambled egg .. “.Fairfax owns most of the rags in NSW, they control the news which is picked up by the electronic media..”
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Wrong. Aussie newspaper market-share, Fairfox-30%, Limited-News_70%
egg .. “.The troof is not out there, we are kept in the dark, but nobody seems to notice..”
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Couldn`t agree more. Both outfits are full of shit.
I said in NSW the Fairfax stable reigns supreme and I didn’t say they were ‘lefty’, the editors generally follow their own whim.
The thing is, its a business like any other and the news is squeezed to fit.
I didn’t say they were ‘lefty’,
My bad 😯
What I’m sayin’ 730 is that Fairfax is biased to the left
The metropolitans are biased and the bush papers absorb a lot of that, but generally the editors are independent and probably left of centre.
They highlight parochial news and take a feed from the SMH.
http://www.news.com.au/national/media-watch-breached-code-of-practice/story-fndo4bst-1226483283856
The ABC’s Media Watch program has been found to have breached the public broadcaster’s code of practice over a segment criticising a news report by The Daily Telegraph’s state political editor Andrew Clennell.
Hilarious!!
Will this be the subject of any commentary from the “blame the media” brigade?
Being in the hometown of Seinfeld it seems our Senator Conroy seems to be trying stand up comedy these days
“The regulation of telecommunications powers in Australia is exclusively federal.
That means I am in charge of spectrum auctions, and if I say to everyone in this room
‘if you want to bid in our spectrum auction you’d better wear red underpants on your head’, I’ve got some news for you.
You’ll be wearing them on your head … I have unfettered legal power.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/senators-red-undie-remarks-fall-flat-in-new-york-20120928-26pqt.html#ixzz27jVLXZAw
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/senators-red-undie-remarks-fall-flat-in-new-york-20120928-26pqt.html
turnbull says
“And in his speech in New York he has explained why he did it – because he can. He boasts about his ‘unfettered legal power’ to make the industry do whatever he wants even to the point of forcing them to ‘wear red underpants on their heads’.”
The same ‘unfettered legal power’ that the previous liberal party had for over a decade, yet didn’t change, but apparently, is now baaad. 😯
Now the government has coughed up $50K to settle.
Those barrackers who said-
• The Ashby allegations are a beat up
• He’s just doing it because it’s a conspiracy
• Slipper has no case to answer
• Thomson has no case to answer
• Look over there at Kathy Jackson
…must be hanging their heads in shame by now, but I suspect they don’t even reflect enough to be embarrassed
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/news/ashby-settles-his-case-against-peter-slipper/story-fnehlez2-1226483448855#ixzz27jjHfxdf
Nice find Tom-of-Melb. .. Oh dear, Jonathan, an out-break of pot kettle. .. Any squealing from my ABC.?
Newman is doing well in Qld according to Newspoll, hasn’t lost any ground despite what the barrackers have been saying.
‘Meanwhile, back at Australia’s border debacle, the Gillard government refuses to embrace policies that have proved to be effective such as temporary protection visas for asylum seekers, or to set up an advanced interception line off Sri Lanka.
‘So the boats keep coming – another three over the weekend with 333 asylum seekers – while the government expends $1 billion a year servicing its own impotence.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/visa-insult-a-betrayal-of-liberalism-20120930-26tk2.html#ixzz27zdiTTV7
“I used to work as an internal consultant for ignorant pricks”
So, you and paws go back then
-TomR
“You really don’t like kids at all do you, Wally? They can work, eat and die in the sweatshop or simply starve and die … the other option doesn’t seem to enter the equation … “
-TB
“Ooooh get her!
Mr and Mrs Uppity Flaws of Sydney’s Northern suburbs…
Having a go at “us lefties” for wearing clothes that we’ve inadvertently purchased.
Instead of just mincing around the house in an old knitted cardigan that Missus Flaws whipped up on the Pfaff Knitting Machine from a pattern nicked from the Women’s Weekly Autumn Fashion Collection 1972 Catalogue.
Meanwhile Missus Flaws has to get around in a one-piece cat suit made from an old recycled bin-liner.
It’s no wonder he works from home, innit..?”
-Reb
“I sleep quite soundly actually”
So did Scrooge, apparently….
-Reb
So if I keep to the current standard of not personally attacking anyone things should be fine.