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Public Backlash over Alan Jones “Vile” Remarks Only Just Beginning.

October 1, 2012

The “Alan Jones apology”

The repercussions of remarks made by controversial shock-jock and outspoken Liberal Party supporter Alan Jones about Julia Gillard and the recent passing of her father are only just beginning.

A little over a week ago, the 2GB “radio personality” attended a Sydney University dinner function where he made the inflammatory statement that the Prime Minister’s father had “died of shame.”

Mr Gillard, a former psychiatric nurse, died in Adelaide three weeks ago.

Mr Jones said her father’s death was caused by the Prime Minister herself.

“The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame,” declared Mr Jones.

“To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament.

“Every person in the caucus of the Labor Party knows that Julia Gillard is a liar.”

Alan Jones was compelled to issue an apology following public outrage over the comments, including condemnation from all sides of politics.

However, the apology, lasting some 48 minutes has been roundly condemned as insincere and fundamentally unapologetic.

During his rambling statement to the media, Mr Jones managed to criticize the Prime Minister while simultaneously apologizing to her, declaring that she was too “emotional.”

As others have noted, Mr Jones was previously compelled to apologise for a remark he made about “taking the Prime Minister out in a chaff bag and dumping her in the Tasman.”

The fact that he subsequently autographed a jacket made from “chaff bags” and provided to the function as a fundraising auction item by Woolworths PR employee Simon Berger, confirms that an apology from Alan Jones means nothing.

However public outrage over the vile remarks has only just begun.

Australians are taking to social media to vent their anger, sending messages of disgust to the commercial supporters of Alan Jones who effectively provide Mr Jones with a national soap box for his anger and vitriol.  The Woolworths Facebook site has been flooded with boycott messages.

It appears that Australians have had enough of Alan Jones, and his sponsors are listening.

Freedom Furniture and Lexus Parramatta have already withdrawn their advertising support from Mr Jones’s “show.”

A petition calling for advertisers to cancel their contracts has reached 15,000 signatures (at the time of writing).

Other financial backers have had their social media sites swamped with boycott messages.

If Alan Jones thought that his so-called “apology” would appease the situation, he was clearly misguided.

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269 Comments leave one →
  1. October 1, 2012 11:17 am

    Woolworths has just announced on its Facebook page that it is “suspending” advertising on the Alan Jones show.

  2. October 1, 2012 11:20 am

    Hi Reb

    Alan Jones problem is that he preaches to a few hundred other right wing extremists and then thinks the whole population agree with him.

    His audience represents at the very most just over 2% of our population. If his ratings were a TV shows he would have been axed years ago. He is given air by the rest of the MSM.

    Sadly when I lived in Sydney I used to listen to his show and actually agree with a lot he had to say. My how things have changed.

    Cheers.

  3. October 1, 2012 11:27 am

    Hello Shane,

    Nice to see you here again. I understand that he only has a small audience, however he occasionally “screams” for more attention…

    I do find it odd that some people think that this latest incident is somehow a political debate. Far from it.

    It’s hard to imagine a comment that could be any more hurtful than telling someone (just after their father had died) that “your the reason they’re dead.”

    It’s utterly contemptible, yet we have the likes of Flaws (Jaws) and Tony here trying to make out that it’s all just some upset lefties having a go at poor Alan. 🙄

  4. el gordo permalink
    October 1, 2012 11:32 am

    Oh wait…look over there.

  5. October 1, 2012 11:38 am

    Oh wait…look over here…

    Mercedes Benz and Challenger cut ties with Alan Jones…

    The investment management firm Challenger has this morning cancelled its advertising relationship with Alan Jones’s Sydney radio program.

    The firm, which manages in excess of $33 billion in assets, had been considering the move from the moment it became aware of Jones’s claim that John Gillard, father of Prime
    Minister Julia Gillard, had “died of shame” over his daughter’s “lies”.

    The spokesman said this morning that the company withheld judgment when it was informed an apology was coming. But after Jones delivered his cavilling apology yesterday, in which he spent the bulk of his 40 minutes attacking the Prime Minister, Challenger’s management team concluded they had no choice but to end their relationship with the 71-year-old broadcaster.

    “Mercedes-Benz Australia/Pacific has instructed its dealers to cease any form of advertising on the Alan Jones show as our company does not condone such inappropriate comments,” the post said.

    Freedom Furniture Australia also posted its response on Facebook: “In light of our customer feedback, and after internal review – we would like to confirm that Freedom has withdrawn advertising from 2GB.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/alan-jones-loses-sponsor-in-wake-of-controversy-20121001-26ugl.html#ixzz280VgxodZ

  6. October 1, 2012 12:31 pm

    Keep up the pressure: 2GB have removed the sponsors names from their site but you can find them here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-2GB-and-its-sponsors/234353403262562

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2012 12:36 pm

    Alan Jones problem is that he preaches to a few hundred other right wing extremists and then thinks the whole population agree with him.

    Jones has used ‘the apologies’ as a soapbox, the non-apologies have been used to make further political attack, hasn’t gone down too well either.

    The apologies you make when you won’t apologise and you are still not sorry.

  8. October 1, 2012 1:22 pm

    Yes Arrmchair, Jones is giving a `claytons` apology

  9. October 1, 2012 1:31 pm

    48 minutes of inane rambling and not once did he say the words “I’m sorry.”

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2012 3:19 pm

    A ‘small’ interlude:

    Rush: Feminism shrinks penises

    A study finds male genitalia has gotten smaller and the radio host knows who to blame

  11. October 1, 2012 3:51 pm

    Bing Lee has announced that they will cease all advertising on the Alan Jones show.

  12. October 1, 2012 3:54 pm

    tweet from ING Direct Aus :

    ” Ing Direct Aus has removed any advertising on the Alan Jones show on 2GB as of Monday 1 October “

  13. October 1, 2012 4:03 pm

    From Dilmah Tea:

    “We reject as inappropriate Alan Jones’ comment about the PM’s late father. We are suspending support.”

  14. October 1, 2012 4:20 pm

    Effective from 10.00am this morning, Coles has withdrawn any advertising from Alan Jones show on 2GB.

  15. October 1, 2012 4:49 pm

    I agree that it’s not really a political issue. Only the absolute rusted-on cnutheads think that the death of a family member, on either side of politics, is fair game or a valid point of contention. It’s just basic decency.

    He can say whatever he likes, but generally speaking, when someone with a soapbox crosses a social taboo like that they will be censured & loathed. It should be no surprise that BIG sponsors are running the other way as fast as they can.

    I’m sure it won’t stop the prick, but I bet it smarts. Witness his non-apology & persecution complex.
    The stench won’t wash off of his already eroded public image in a hurry.

    Of further amusement, after yesterday’s compulsory denunciations, is today’s qualifications, blame shifting & leftist meeja diversionary accusing from the likes of Bolt. You could set your watch by the rearguard polemics of such one eyed moral crusaders.

  16. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2012 6:05 pm

    I agree that it’s not really a political issue.

    It is both political and more than that. Of course it is political, as it was a political attack on a political opponent. And Labor will, rightfully, attack it for all it’s worth.

    However, like so much of our current political debate, the grubbiness extends past pure politics to simple good taste, something that has been missing in huge quantities from one side of the spectrum for a number of years now.

    And this side need to take a step back and reassess what damage the unhinging is having on society as a whole. Let’s hope that explains tabots uncommon absence from our airwaves since this began. Personally, I doubt that, I reckon it’s because he’s a gutless worm who doesn’t know how to react, without a wall handy.

  17. October 1, 2012 6:39 pm

    I chose my words poorly, TomArrrr.

    What I meant was that only rusted-ons aligned with Jones see the comments as anything less than below contempt. Plenty of those predisposed towards the Coalition absolutely recognise that such comments transcend politics in their violation of a social taboo.

    I don’t doubt that it was a political attack from Jones, not meant for the ears of the wider public; primarily a cheap laugh for budding Liberal wannabes at a circle jerk dinner.

    I meant that attempts to defuse the disdain by asserting that it’s only being condemned in the (supposedly) leftist twittersphere or leftist meeja…is bullshit. It is more widely condemned than that because it has offended many people’s sense of what passes for decency.
    It is worth noting that the story was broken by a News Ltd supporter. Both sides should ruminate on that for a while.

  18. October 1, 2012 6:43 pm

    “attempts to defuse the disdain by asserting that it’s only being condemned in the (supposedly) leftist twittersphere or leftist meeja…is bullshit. It is more widely condemned than that because it has offended many people’s sense of what passes for decency.”

    That was my point too Toiletboss but you explained it better than me…

    Funny how the usual right wing nutters are strangely silent today…

  19. October 1, 2012 6:44 pm

    Also worth noting, that, as far as I know Talcum was the first pollie to condemn Anal for his comments…

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2012 7:07 pm

    News Ltd broke this story. Does that demonstrate that they’ve swapped sides?

    Are they now the “unhate media”

  21. October 1, 2012 7:24 pm

    Are they now the “unhate media”

    maybe the “hatelessness media?”

    As a bystander, it’s becoming very confusing as to who I’m meant to hate…

    (not really).

  22. October 1, 2012 7:25 pm

    * d’oh! reporter, not supporter!

    But yeah, it kinda precludes an anti-leftist NewsLtd conspiracy. 😉

  23. October 1, 2012 7:26 pm

    I hate everyone equally, except for Abbott, who I hate equally most.

  24. Tony permalink
    October 1, 2012 7:33 pm

    ‘It’s utterly contemptible, yet we have the likes of Flaws (Jaws) and Tony here trying to make out that it’s all just some upset lefties having a go at poor Alan.’

    Jaws can speak for himself, but my position today is exactly as I stated at the outset yesterday: “I don’t condone Jones’s words, not one bit, but I am amused by the outrageous outrage from his political opponents. It’s manna from heaven for Gillard Labor supporters.”

  25. October 1, 2012 7:40 pm

    Wow, so ToSY says something from the sidelines. How not surprisement…. 🙄

  26. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2012 7:42 pm

    “I don’t condone Jones’s words, not one bit, but I am amused..

    Thank god nobody cherry picks here 😉

    as to ltdnews breaking the story. The journo had it, and was going to release it, no matter what. What is most interesting was that they waited until the midst of the Festival of the Boot, and after newspoll had finished. Purely coincidental of course 😉

  27. October 1, 2012 7:53 pm

    Hyundai – GONE!

    “Thank you for your feedback over Alan Jones’ recent comments. Hyundai will be withdrawing advertising from his program with immediate effect.”

  28. October 1, 2012 7:55 pm

    The Australian International Motor Show can confirm that it has withdrawn all of its advertising from the Alan Jones Breakfast Show on radio station 2GB.

  29. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2012 7:57 pm

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2012 7:57 pm

    I listened to an interview with the reporter today.

    • News approved him joining the Young Liberals to attend this meeting, paid for the lot.
    • He advised those present that he was a journalist, but assiduously avoided letting them know he was working rather than supporting.
    • Recorded without permission.

    That’s hardly the behaviour of an organisation that is hell bent on bringing down the government.

    It’s just more proof that the media chases stories rather than vendettas.

  31. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:05 pm

    It’s hardly ltdnews fault that the team they picked is their own worst enemy is it? 😯

  32. October 1, 2012 8:12 pm

    I think we can all agree that this is a victory for free speech! 🙂

  33. October 1, 2012 8:16 pm

    • “He advised those present that he was a journalist, but assiduously avoided letting them know he was working rather than supporting.”

    So what,.. .? The only requirement for entry was that he paid for his ticket……

    Which he did.

  34. October 1, 2012 8:18 pm

    “assiduously avoided ”

    Really? Do you have any evidence to substantiate that bullshit….?

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:27 pm

    I’m not objecting to the concealment of his purpose or his surreptitious recording.

    I’m only pointing out that bringing great discredit to one of the most effective and vociferous of government critics is hardly the action of a company that is hell bent on destroying the government.

    …I mean he wasn’t with Fairfax!
    ———————
    Evidence? Only the actual words he used during his interview, which was along the lines of “we decided we (News Ltd editors and him) weren’t going to be untruthful, but nor did say that I was attending for work. I just provided a general comment that I was a journalist”… or something.

    And no, I’m not looking for a link. But others are welcome to.

  36. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:34 pm

    Is it just me that’s heard far worse things said many times before?

    *Not condoning

  37. October 1, 2012 8:34 pm

    “the concealment of his purpose or his surreptitious recording”

    “surreptitious” really..? Since when did recording a speech at a public event become “surreptitious?”

  38. October 1, 2012 8:36 pm

    “Is it just me that’s heard far worse things said many times before?”

    Newsflash: It’s just you.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:42 pm

    “ surreptitious”
    Were his actions open or covert?
    Sly or transparent?

    I think calling it surreptitious is about the least contentious availble.

  40. Sideline sniper permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:49 pm

    What started out as righteous indignation about hurtful comments by an enemy of the left towards a heroine of the left has morphed into a crusade to silence that enemy of the left.

  41. PC Computer permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:59 pm

    (Oops. Are you even allowed to say heroine? I meant heroperson, of course.)

  42. el gordo permalink
    October 1, 2012 9:21 pm

    Yes, its all very weird the way the leftards become so irate over nothing. They’re a sentimental lot.

  43. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2012 9:42 pm

    Geez it must be a wonderful innocent world inhabited by everyone else.

  44. October 1, 2012 11:37 pm

    “.News Ltd broke this story. Does that demonstrate that they’ve swapped sides?.”
    *
    I would strongly suspect Limited-News can`t take any more heat of this intensity for quite a while. Bolt has given them more blow-back than they want in recent times. eg.
    1- `white aboriginals` rda case
    2- comment misbehavior/moderation issues
    3- blow-back from attacking academics/citizen RE Finkelstein

  45. October 1, 2012 11:47 pm

    Many are getting excited about Jones `show` being ditched by sponsors.
    *
    Hang on to your hats. .. Jones is a 2gb shareholder.
    Jones will still enjoy profits of 2gb.
    Advertisers swapping `off` Jones show and `on` to another 2gb show will not amount to that much folks. Jones could do his show without advertisers, and Jones/2gb will still enjoy healthy profit.
    *
    Sorry about my bucket of cold water. .. 😦 😦

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2012 11:58 pm

    …but my position today is exactly as I stated at the outset yesterday: “I don’t condone Jones’s words, not one bit, but I am amused by the outrageous outrage from his political opponents.

    your post yesterday where everything was ‘leftie’ accusing:

    “Haha. The Left go apoplectic demanding an apology from Jones. When he provides one The Left say he shouldn’t have apologised because he didn’t mean it. There’s no pleasing some people.”

    I’d hardly call PvO a ‘lefty’.
    Apology by Alan Jones signifies nothing

    “…What started out as righteous indignation about hurtful comments by an enemy of the left towards a heroine of the left has morphed into a crusade to silence that enemy of the left…

    You are not getting it, you keep saying ‘the left’ as if they are the only ones offended, he offended people from across the political spectrum, not just the left and not only his political opponents, he offended people who have no interest in politics, he offended young and old alike, male and female. His was a personal political attack on a political opponent that went beyond the decency expected by all in the community.

    He advised those present that he was a journalist, but assiduously avoided letting them know he was working rather than supporting.
    • Recorded without permission.

    Oh, so he was honest about himself, I would assume that a journalist is always on the look out for a story, no matter what their capacity. Like an off duty police officer doesn’t ignore a crime in their presence. Selling newspapers is what it is all about for newsltd.

    Who makes these convenient ‘rules’ for others to abide by?

    According to these rules – investigative journalists must inform the investigated of their presence and their plans – wow, we’d never have any news scoops would we, goodbye 4 corners!
    If people like jones are happy to do the hate talk, they shouldn’t care if it becomes public knowledge should they? Isn’t it just a natural consequence of them exercising their free speech? People are free to be offended and free to boycott and target the sponsors. Seems the free market advocates like the freedom to be one sided.

    Anyway, jones claytons apologies show that he couldn’t care less, he is arrogant and defiant, angry at having to front up. He feels untouchable and beyond reproach, more powerful than the government of the day. He knows the sponsors will quietly come back when the uproar dies down.

  47. October 2, 2012 12:10 am

    “.recorded without permission.”
    *
    I really doubt that can be claimed at a public event where tickets are sold. This is being mixed with the telephone, stockbroker`s phone system `notify` recording of phone discussion.

  48. October 2, 2012 8:06 am

    Funny how the rightwing nutjobs predictably fall into line to support Jones…

  49. October 2, 2012 8:07 am

    Alan Jones this morning:

    “the vile attacks on me…”

    Nice to see things are all back to normal…

  50. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2012 8:21 am

    “the vile attacks on me…”

    What did he say about himself ❓

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:00 am

    AO – Lengthy verballing of my comment, including – ”investigative journalists must inform the investigated of their presence and their plans

    I made no such suggestion, nor was I critical of the publication of the story. I’m entirely happy for people to work themselves into a lather about this (Greg Combet ‘s convoluted points today for example).

    My point was simply that this story debunks the “News Ltd is hell bent on destroying Our Government” line that is run so often by the “blame the media” brigade.

    Perhaps News just likes to sell its product.

  52. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:00 am

    So here they are………………..

    48 hours later and the Lefties are still hysterical.

    Alan Jones has apologised once again this morning but the Left have to keep their “train full of outrage” chugging along being fueled by any tiny shred or the slightest link to Abbott.

    How amusing

  53. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:26 am

    Oh no………………this could derail the “outrage”……………..

    From the Australian this morning…..

    “………..THE opposition has demanded Foreign Minister Bob Carr apologise for attacks on Julia Gillard by his associate Bob Ellis over her response to her father’s death, accusing Labor of double standards over the Alan Jones affair.

    Ellis, a speechwriter to Labor figures including Senator Carr, accused the Prime Minister of “girly tears” and taking “time off playing hookey from her national obligations” on his Table Talk blog last month.

    “Julia Gillard’s oft-boasted ‘steely resolve’ has been tested lately, and she has failed to show it every time,” Ellis wrote.

    “She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Hillary Clinton, because three of her soldiers had died by gunfire in a war, and went not to the warfront but Canberra. She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Vladimir Putin, because her father had died at 83, and fled home weeping to Adelaide.

    “The doctrine of ‘Gillard Exceptionalism’ should now be abandoned. She should either do the job, or get out of it.”

    In response to hostile comments on the post, Ellis responded: “A prime minister has a higher duty than the concerns of his/her private life? How contemptible? It’s like FDR saying, ‘Can’t go to Yalta, I’m crippled’.”

    Deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop said yesterday Labor should hold Ellis to account for his remarks. “People who have criticised Alan Jones for his remarks should be equally critical of Bob Ellis . . . who has called Julia Gillard unfit to be Prime Minister because she returned from overseas early after soldiers were killed in Afghanistan and after her father had died,” Ms Bishop told The Australian.

    “Bob Ellis’s appalling remarks ought to attract the same condemnation as that being directed at Alan Jones. As Bob Ellis is a close confidant of Bob Carr, I call on Bob Carr to apologise to the Prime Minister.”

    Higgins MP Kelly O’Dwyer echoed the remarks. “Bob Ellis has written for such Labor luminaries as Bob Carr, Paul Keating and Kim Beazley,” Ms O’Dwyer said. “Applying the same standards set by Labor . . . I expect each of them will apologise to Julia Gillard.”

    Neither Senator Carr, nor Ellis were available for comment………………..”

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:36 am

    …but, but but…don’t you understand… that’s different….it was ALAN JONES!! who said those awful things.

    Everyone knows Bob Ellis sometimes runs away with the hyperbole…and that’s just Bob (ya gotta love him).

  55. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:51 am

    Yes we await Nicola Roxon’s condemnation of Foreign Minister Bob Carr

    LOL

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 11:29 am

    My point was simply that this story debunks the “News Ltd is hell bent on destroying Our Government” line that is run so often by the “blame the media” brigade.

    Because they run with a story that has a link to the liberals? That negates two years of giving tony abbott an easy ride and wipes out the obvious and biased political campaigning by newsltd journos.

    Of course they like to sell papers and I’ve made that point a number of times already, they won’t pass up a scoop, they can do both, and eager liberals will jump on the few negative stories as proof positive, happily overlooking the mountain of evidence that proves otherwise.

    Bob ellis is well known for his misogyny, they are not confined to one political party, but even his attack on julia gillard did not go near alan jones indecency. I don’t know where ellis has his stuff published, perhaps a journo could have highlighted his attack too?

    Should we have a national misogyny watch where people are named and shamed?

    Thanks for the cut & paste james I see the machine is in action, such balance, you highlight deveny [i don’t think bowen’s wife’s tweet is even worth a mention] as some kind of example of an equal balance to all the daily misogyny and sexism faced by australian women.

    Congratulations you found the needle in the haystack!

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 11:59 am

    Perhaps News Ltd just wants to sell papers, not simply “destroy a government”. In Gillard News and other media, have plenty of material to work with, when it comes to political dishonesty…and it clearly resonates with the public. They have observed her dishonesty.

    Now I realise AO thinks Gillard should be supported for withstanding the onslaught of critics.

    On the other hand, I think there is plenty of criticism of her that is entirely legitimate, and no one should go any easier on her because she happens to be a female
    —————————-
    The worst example in history is the woman who said “I hope she gets laid” about a child (whose father had also died), Bindi Irwin.

    Does she endorse any produce that can be boycotted? What was the exact nature of her apology?

  58. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:02 pm

    Needle in a haystack my arse…..

    Marieke Hardy re- Brendan Nelson “I agree with Lawrie. You should have “glassed the c..t” Nelson. You should have taken a piece of glass and torn his face to shreds, only leaving trails of bloody skin dripping from his ugly face and then you should have glassed his ass and balls so much, you castrate him so he could never procreate with his wife. Furthermore, glass the c..t wife and their children, while you’re at it, because they don’t deserve to procreate and have any children themselves, those blood-sucking Liberal c..ts!”

  59. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:05 pm

    ALAN Jones age 71. Avergae (sic) lifespan for an Australian male age 79. Patience my pretties #Auspol bahahaha.

    Rebecca Mifsud, wife of minister Chris Bowen, retweets on August 31:
    Oh Yes………………….perfectly acceptable……………….LOL

    Then we have Deveny………………..

    “HAD nightmare they sat me next to a chinless, ex QLD cop with a face of a rapist who refused to go to the stolen generation apology #qanda”

    Seeks humour from his physical features, tarnishes same with a whiff of corruption or heavy handedness, and adds for good measure a similarity to a rapist…………………..Deveny is a real charming piece of work.

    “ANZAC Day. Men only enlisted to fight for the money, for the adventure or because they were racist.”

    So all ANZACs are rascists are they ? Of course that includes Kiwis (perhaps even some of those coffee coloured maori boys)

    Then of course we have her quip about an 11 year old child needing to be laid.

    Yes Kitty ……………..Deveny certainly is worth defending

    ROFLMAO

  60. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:11 pm

    Marieke Hardy ?

    You cant attack Marieke…………………..she was one of our best and brightest 1,000 who attended Kevin Rudd’s 2020 Summit

    Remember that………….LOL

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:49 pm

    Yes Kitty ……………..Deveny certainly is worth defending

    I don’t need to defend her, she is quite capable of doing so herself.

    Deveny & Marieke Hardy ?

    Conservatives just don’t ‘get’ satire do they? As shown by the loads of public criticism that those two get and haven’t they paid the price? The ABC removed hardy’s piece, not sure if they’ve ever published her since and deveny was sacked from her regular column.

    Has jones been sacked? Despite his many, many transgressions and controversies over the years and many public calls for his sacking, jones remains.

    Their freedom of speech and freedom to offend is denied them, but jones must not have the same rules applied to him.

    BTW, is this meant to be some kind of ‘look over there’ diversion exercise, isn’t the issue alan jones offending the general public?

    On the other hand, I think there is plenty of criticism of her that is entirely legitimate, and no one should go any easier on her because she happens to be a female…

    Yes, I agree on that, criticise decisions and policy, but the important word is legitimate, to keep repeating opposition talking points and criticisms that have been thoroughly debunked is illegitimate criticism eg school halls & waste.

  62. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:57 pm

    “Despite his many, many transgressions and controversies over the years and many public calls for his sacking, jones remains. ”

    “Transgressions and controversies”………………..?

    What’s so controversial about disagreeing with the Left.

    I thought he had the Freedom to be a Shithead.

    Just like the many Sheiks who refer to women as “pieces of meat” .I dont hear too many cries from the Left of the need to curtail the constant calls for Jihad etc.

    But I suppose that’s a case of “My Enemy’s Enemy is My Friend”

    Besides he’s a shareholder of Macquarie Radio. I doubt he’d sack himself. We’ll allow the Market to decide his fate.

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:04 pm

    The worst example in history is the woman who said “I hope she gets laid” about a child (whose father had also died), Bindi Irwin.

    Your opinion only, others seem to think that jones comments were worse, BTW, I don’t condone those comments either. I think they are in poor taste too.

    I do share a view about the marketing and exploitation of children for profit, bindi irwin is just one example.

    How much time had elapsed between irwin’s father’s death and those comments? How much time was bindi allowed to grieve before mum shovelled her in front of the cameras again?

    Does she endorse any produce that can be boycotted? What was the exact nature of her apology?

    Feel free to look and start a campaign.

  64. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:11 pm

    Is a eulogy at her father’s funeral child exploitation ?

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:15 pm

    “Transgressions and controversies”………………..?

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/s551929.htm

    Alan Jones Chronology

    The chronology finishes at 2002 when jones started at 2GB so there are a number of other controversies and inquiries to be added eg cash for comment, david flint’s interference, cronulla riots, contempt of court, jake kovko, breach of radio standards on the environment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_(radio_broadcaster)

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:17 pm

    Is a eulogy at her father’s funeral child exploitation ?

    crikey, is this the start of another irrational exercise in unhinged?

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:22 pm

    I don’t repeat ‘opposition talking points’. You mentioned school halls.

    AO, you now have to identify where the opposition has ever pointed to the billion spent on private school performing arts centres, or the billion in management fees, that were only applicable because the government chose to award all the contracts to major construction companies.

    I recall they were my main points.
    =========
    By the way, Jones is a grub who would never get an audience in Melbourne. But his poor taste remark is hardly the worst ever uttered.

    There is plenty of feigned outrage going on, because it involves Jones.

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:29 pm

    Just like the many Sheiks who refer to women as “pieces of meat” .I dont hear too many cries from the Left of the need to curtail the constant calls for Jihad etc.

    Why not string unrelated instances together to make a completely fallacial argument. WTF has jihad got to do with anything here…stay focused if you can.

    Though the churches were strangely silent on that sexist comment weren’t they? [as they always are]

    The criticisms came from womens groups, as I said sexism and misogyny is not confined to politics it has broad representation. Oppression of women is a common defining characteristic of all religions.

    Don’t bother racking your brain and computer for every example you can think of to throw up here, I don’t intend to follow you down your rabbit holes of idiocy all day long.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:32 pm

    AO, you now have to identify…

    sorry, that’s your argument not mine, you show the evidence to prove your assertions.

  70. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:32 pm

    “How much time was bindi allowed to grieve before mum shovelled her in front of the cameras again?”

    You asked…………..I answered

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 1:44 pm

    Well AO, you’ve already verballed me once earlier today. So I suppose this latest example can be taken in that context.

    I haven’t seen too many supporting Jones’ comment, has anyone?

    It’s simply a huge over reaction. It’s typical of the excitement that stimulates ALP barrackers, it probably comes from the union roots. They also use exaggeration and misrepresentation to excite the masses into near hysteria.

  72. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 2, 2012 2:00 pm

    Stupid thing is that anyone associated in any way with Labor is now fair game for what they say in speeches and the like. This will backfire badly on the ALP because for every Jones there are half a dozen nasty lefties.

  73. public toilet permalink
    October 2, 2012 2:23 pm

    Myopic conservative Boltsturbating.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 2:29 pm

    …I don’t know whether or not this is another “Liberal talking point”, but Rudd’s comments are the only ones that have any sense of credibility.

    Rudd’s entitled to take the moral high ground on this because he pushed (union hack/thug) Dean Mighell out of the ALP following publication of some of Mighell’s thuggish comments.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 3:13 pm

    “AO – Lengthy verballing of my comment, including – ”investigative journalists must inform the investigated of their presence and their plans”
    I made no such suggestion, nor was I critical of the publication of the story…”

    “…Well AO, you’ve already verballed me once earlier today…”

    “…My point was simply that this story debunks the “News Ltd is hell bent on destroying Our Government” line that is run so often by the “blame the media” brigade.

    No it doesn’t debunk anything at all, as aristotle said, ‘one swallow does not a summer make’. You didn’t offer any evidence of proof of your assertions.

    Would you like to do some research by counting up all the pro vs anti govt stories by newsltd, and then get back to us? 😉

    It’s simply a huge over reaction. It’s typical of the excitement that stimulates ALP barrackers, it probably comes from the union roots. They also use exaggeration and misrepresentation to excite the masses into near hysteria.

    oh FFS, is there any end to the feelpinions being offered up?

    Must I remind that this is not coming from labor, the petition and calls to sack from 2GB have come from the community?

    Rudd’s entitled to take the moral high ground on this because he pushed (union hack/thug) Dean Mighell out of the ALP following publication of some of Mighell’s thuggish comments.

    What’s that got to do with anything? now we’ve completely segued into union bashing?

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 3:17 pm

    There is plenty of feigned outrage going on, because it involves Jones.

    seems to be plenty of it going on here on this thread, by you lot.

    Myopic conservative Boltsturbating.

    Ah, I should have known.

  77. October 2, 2012 3:51 pm

    It is hardly surprising that the gutless gutter-journalist Jones would say something like this. Conservatives excel at bully-boy nastiness. It’s what they do.

    What is surprising is that Jones’ rancid comment is kept squarely in the limelight by the hysterics of his loyal congregation. The well-deserved criticism of their messiah has struck a raw nerve with them and sent them into a barking mad frenzy as they try to defend this graceless buffoon. Little wonder then that political discourse is so unhinged these days.

  78. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 3:53 pm

    “…..seems to be plenty of it going on here on this thread, by you lot.”

    Hahahahahahaha !

    Seems like you are the only one from the Left who has managed to “maintain the rage” since the Ellis comments surfaced.

    All the other Lefties have wimped out by the look of it.

    But the mocked rage continues in comments by the ex PM Kevin Rudd who has called upon Tony Abbott to sack Alan Jones from his Liberal Party membership immediately

    “Alan Jones’ comments are lowest of the low. Abbott must dismiss Jones from Liberal Party now………..”

    Ummmmmmmm………………….Jones has not been a member for over 20 years.

    Come on Comrades…………….where are you.

    Maintain the rage !

  79. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 3:56 pm

    Ah…………………..Minipiglo weighs in with his one standard for Jones and another for that darling of the ALP Bob Ellis.

    Ah yes the delightful Bob Ellis. The same guy who wrote that the female cadet who was filmed having sex and Skyped at the ADFA should have expected that sort of thing.

    But that’s the Left and their quagmire of bile

  80. October 2, 2012 4:09 pm

    “Conservatives excel at bully-boy nastiness. It’s what they do.”

    Exactly. That’s all they know… Look at Flaws conduct on this blog for example….

    It seems that all Flaws has got to offer to the conversation is to solely mock and deride those with a different views to his own..

    And I’m beginning to find it really fkn tiresome.

    So much so, that I can feel a random banning coming on.

  81. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 4:12 pm

    ‘So much so, that I can feel a random banning coming on.’

    For christ’s sake don’t even think it.

  82. October 2, 2012 4:12 pm

    ALAN Jones must apologise on air for a racist rant where he called Sydney’s Lebanese Muslims “vermin” who “infest our shores” and “rape” and “pillage” our nation, having failed in an appeal.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/alan-jones-and-keysar-trad-lose-their-appeals-over-cronulla-riots-case/story-fndo4bst-1226486556419

    And yet Flaws thinks he’s such a great guy…

  83. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 4:16 pm

    “And yet Flaws thinks he’s such a great guy…”

    Really…………………………..scroll up and you might find this………..

    “I thought he had the Freedom to be a Shithead. ”
    .
    As for the other matter…………..well its your Blog

  84. October 2, 2012 4:18 pm

    Egg,

    I’ve been seriously thinking of closing this whole joint down after reding some of the extraordinary comments from the like of you, snacty, ToSY and especially Flaws, particularly following the “died of shame” incident and the way in which “you lot” simply fell into line with your Liberal party position without even contemplating how offensive the remarks actually are.

    But then I thought, why should I have to be the one that “moves on” somewhere else, only to have to set up shop again, which involves a fair bit of time and effort I might add.

    So no, I won’t be moving on this time.

    Instead, if Flaws keeps up with his bullshit then he’ll just be banned AGAIN!

    End of story..

  85. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 4:22 pm

    “……………without even contemplating how offensive the remarks actually are………….Instead, if Flaws keeps up with his bullshit then he’ll just be banned AGAIN!”

    As I have already stated Jones is a shithead you must mean that pointing out the double standards is off limits is it ?

  86. October 2, 2012 4:30 pm

    “double standards”. 🙄

    What, you buy the Jones’ line that somehow Gillard is “off limits?”

    That’s just another example of your bias…

    So it’s all somehow Gillard’s fault that Jonesy made his remarks, she drove him to it I suppose.. 🙄

  87. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 4:42 pm

    “What, you buy the Jones’ line that somehow Gillard is “off limits?””

    No……….if you care to read above I am specifically referring to the double standard of not criticising the darling of the Left and Bob Carr’s speech writer Bob Ellis (from 2 weeks ago) and the tenuous link that the Left is attempting to create between Jones and Abbott.

    There is no link for either of them yet the Left is trying to create one on the one hand whilst ignoring the other.

    You just hate me because I think Julie Bishop is hot

  88. October 2, 2012 4:47 pm

    “Minipiglo weighs in with his one standard for Jones and another for that darling of the ALP Bob Ellis.”

    In case you didn’t notice, this is a thread about Jones. I didn’t say anything about Ellis. I merely made an on-topic comment about the subject of this thread. Unfortunately this appears to have upset you enough to cause you to make stuff up.

    “I’ve been seriously thinking of closing this whole joint down after reding some of the extraordinary comments from the like of you, snacty, ToSY and especially Flaws”

    There is another alternative – enforce standards of decent debate. Dare I whisper it, other blogs seem to be able to maintain decorous debate without sliding into the gutter. Absent decent standards, the cranks and crazies will ruin things for everyone.

  89. October 2, 2012 4:50 pm

    “You just hate me because I think Julie Bishop is hot”

    No, I just get tired at the level and frequency of your personal insults that regularly appear in your comments targetting other contributors..

    We can all handle a bit of good-humored nudging, but your comments are often just unnecessarily vile and nasty.

    So much so, that I can hardly be bothered showing up here sometimes only to read your angry comments lashing out at other posters.

  90. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:05 pm

    “I used to work as an internal consultant for ignorant pricks”

    So, you and paws go back then
    -TomR

    “You really don’t like kids at all do you, Wally? They can work, eat and die in the sweatshop or simply starve and die … the other option doesn’t seem to enter the equation … “
    -TB

    “Ooooh get her!
    Mr and Mrs Uppity Flaws of Sydney’s Northern suburbs…
    Having a go at “us lefties” for wearing clothes that we’ve inadvertently purchased.
    Instead of just mincing around the house in an old knitted cardigan that Missus Flaws whipped up on the Pfaff Knitting Machine from a pattern nicked from the Women’s Weekly Autumn Fashion Collection 1972 Catalogue.
    Meanwhile Missus Flaws has to get around in a one-piece cat suit made from an old recycled bin-liner.
    It’s no wonder he works from home, innit..?”
    -Reb

    “I sleep quite soundly actually”
    So did Scrooge, apparently….
    -Reb

    So if I keep to the current standard of not personally attacking anyone things should be fine.

  91. Right Wing Nut Job permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:06 pm

    Thinking that many Labor supporters and other left-leaning folk in the media, on blogs, and in the twitterverse are overreacting to Jones’s comments is quite a legitimate position to take in this “debate”. You might not agree, and it could be the entirely wrong (or right) position, but so what? There are already places where everyone agrees with each other, and dissidents are labelled “trolls”. This place, to reb’s credit, has never been one of those.

  92. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:08 pm

    “I didn’t say anything about Ellis.”

    And that’s the point.

    Yet you post “Conservatives excel at bully-boy nastiness. It’s what they do.”

    Yet you dont condemn Ellis

  93. October 2, 2012 5:15 pm

    Come on Flaws, not one of those comes close to the homophobic remark you attempted to post here the other day, and I had to edit it out.

    Heck you also called me a “poisonous maggot” the other day, and I didn’t really take offence at that.

    I hardly think that “scrooge,” “mr and mrs uppity,” or “wally’, comes anywhere near the level of vitriole you dish up here..

    Anyway enough said….

    Let’s move on shall we…

  94. October 2, 2012 5:29 pm

    Jaws, you need to to take a step back and get a little perspective here. This is a thread about Jones. He is one of the most popular and influential media commentators in Australia. Owing to his recent outrageous comment (and a lifetime of controversy) it is now his time in the spotlight.

    Whatever Ellis’s sins might be, he simply is not relevant to this discussion. He is not in the same league as Jones when it comes to political clout. Neither is Deveney for that matter.

    The funny thing is that you have been so critical of the “look over there” tactic on previous occasions yet you now invoke it.

    The sad thing is that on an issue as clear as this the rusted-ons go crazy in their attempts to salvage something for their “side”. Common sense and common decency don’t get a look in. This should actually have been a fairly short thread. Instead it is full of mind-numbing nonsense as Jones’ acolytes try every trick in the book to downplay what is sadly a typically disgusting comment from their man.

    The only reason Jones’ sick comment is still in the news is that his followers keep it there with there ever more deranged attempts to derail the justified criticism it has attracted. Time to stop digging.

  95. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:32 pm

    “Heck you also called me a “poisonous maggot” the other day, and I didn’t really take offence at that.”

    After you implied I as a pedophile you might recall.

    Plus another from someone else calling me an ignorant prick

    OK lets move on

  96. October 2, 2012 5:35 pm

    “.Conservatives excel at bully-boy nastiness. It’s what they do..”
    +
    Minipiglo is being obtuse and, willfully ignoring the dire need to protect free speech, dare I whisper, for a second view, other than that of Leftism. We all need to understand how important it is to maintain the purity of the conservative race.

  97. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:36 pm

    “Instead it is full of mind-numbing nonsense as Jones’ acolytes try every trick in the book to downplay what is sadly a typically disgusting comment from their man.”

    “Downplay it” ?

    I said he was a Shithead.

    I’m trying to point out the the ridiculous link the Left is trying to make between Jones and Abbott whilst ignoring the Ellis Carr link.

    After all if Abbott has to apologise for Jones remarks so should Carr for Ellis’ equally pathetic posts.

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:37 pm

    But then I thought, why should I have to be the one that “moves on” somewhere else, only to have to set up shop again, which involves a fair bit of time and effort I might add.

    exactly reb, and besides I like talking to you. Don’t let them get you down.

    jaws has no sense of self regulation himself, it comes from listening to alan jones so often, he has almost taken on the jones persona himself. You’d think, like the public that the rusted ons would also be disgusted at jones instead of defending him.

    No……….if you care to read above I am specifically referring to the double standard of not criticising the darling of the Left and Bob Carr’s speech writer Bob Ellis (from 2 weeks ago) and the tenuous link that the Left is attempting to create between Jones and Abbott.

    c’mon jaws you were all over the shop, bringing up every little thing you could think of.

    Bob ellis? How long ago was he carr’s speech writer?
    Does he write for himself these days, or for labor? Don’t worry about misrepresentation. Bob ellis is equally reprehensible to people when he makes those comments too. Now, don’t blame us because the media didn’t make a fuss about it at the time. Bob ellis has form on sexism, but where are his current labor affiliations to attack labor on? Ellis needs to defend on his own behalf.
    Where are these comments to be found BTW?

    Jones was actually at a liberal party function, a fundraiser for the liberal party where there were current liberal party MP’s present, hardly a tenuous link, since jones is a one man support show for the libs anyway.

    I think that labor shouldn’t bother with making the political attack, best to stay above it, keep as dignified a silence as gillard is doing and just leave it to the media and the general public to keep it going.

    Actually IIRC, didn’t bob ellis publishers have to pulp a book because tony abbott [and costello] sued for some minor misrepresentation of them? Talk about glass jaws, if only gillard would sue abbott and his cohorts for all the personal stuff levelled at her and the lies told as bob hawke used to do. Maybe ramjan should sue too. Suppose it’s why abbott is so careful with his words and ensures that others do the dirty work for him.

  99. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:39 pm

    Yeah…could we have a clean slate?

  100. October 2, 2012 5:49 pm

    “he has almost taken on the jones persona himself”

    That’s exactly what I was thinking Kitty…

  101. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:52 pm

    “…c’mon jaws you were all over the shop, bringing up every little thing you could think of. “Now, don’t blame us because the media didn’t make a fuss about it at the time.”

    It was I think the first thing or perhaps second I posted this morning. If thats all over the shop then so be it.

    So the media failed to make a fuss but I thought they were rather consistently the Hate Media……..Seems not so then

    “Where are these comments to be found BTW?”

    On Ellis’ personal blog……………..which like you I’m not going to go searching for ya.

  102. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:52 pm

    Banks are sitting on their hands…typical.

  103. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 5:54 pm

    “You’d think, like the public that the rusted ons would also be disgusted at jones instead of defending him. ”

    So how many times does one need to point out I have already referred to him as a Shithead ?

  104. October 2, 2012 6:00 pm

    Flaws screeches a lot, often nonsense.
    Why do others pander to it.?

  105. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 6:00 pm

    “Actually IIRC, didn’t bob ellis publishers have to pulp a book because tony abbott [and costello] sued for some minor misrepresentation of them? ”

    Yes in fact. A rather minor defamation involving their wives.

    So minor it cost a mere $277,000 and resulted in the pulping of the entire book run and its rewritten version took 3 months to hit the shelves.

  106. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 6:02 pm

    Remaining on Ellis………..

    “…….His 2011 book Suddenly, Last Winter – An Election Diary created headlines for its criticism of Labor Prime Minister Julia Gillard, and praise for Liberal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

    He described Gillard as “not well informed” and “sudden, firm and wrong” in everything she does. He also said “She has no power, no influence, no friends, no learning. There’s not much there”,

    Whilst describing Abbott as having “good manners”, being “formidable” and possessing a “first-class mind”…………..”

  107. October 2, 2012 6:10 pm

    “Flaws screeches a lot, often nonsense.
    Why do others pander to it.?”

    Thanks for confirming it… I was worried it was just me…

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 6:18 pm

    BOB ELLIS link

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2012/09/12/the-real-julia-stripped-bare/

    And Ellis’s comments are really dusgusting too …

    All the other Lefties have wimped out by the look of it.

    If you include me in that … I’ve just returned from a wedding last night at Rainbow Beach …

  109. October 2, 2012 6:23 pm

    TB !

    I was just about to email you! A bit worried about your absence for so long…

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 6:43 pm

    Ta, sreb … got in a couple of hours ago … just finished reading the thread …

    If I can add to comments that Wally made – that he recieved “personal abuse” … he’s doing his own AJ – “everyone is jealous of me and can’t believ the comments” …

    Wally, I would hate to see you banned … the “left right and in between” balance here is good and as ToM says “rugged” sometimes … but you can get very aggressive and make things up that I for one haven’t said or proposed … you assume far too much …

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 6:47 pm

    If I can add to comments that Wally made – that he recieved “personal abuse” …

    And Wally you only got retaliation because of some of the comments you made … it just happened that you snipped at a few here on the same subject at the same time who disagreed with your “assessment” of all our comments and copped it …

    If you want to dish it out ya got cop it back …

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 2, 2012 6:50 pm

    I don’t get what all of this fuss is about. Everyone agrees that Jones comments were appalling. As Tom R noted: “Of course it is political, as it was a political attack on a political opponent. And Labor will, rightfully, attack it for all it’s worth.”

    So now Jaws is getting hammered for noting Labor’s tactic and calling them out for their hypocrisy and political gamesmanship. It doesn’t seem to matter that he made it very clear that he disagreed with Jones. Any honest evaluation of the situation should include an assessment of the motivations of the politicians screeching the loudest.

  113. October 2, 2012 6:58 pm

    Ok fair enough splatter, but I would like to see less of the grubby comments attacking other people who comment here on a personal level and more just discussion of the isuues…

    Just sayin….

    The personal attacks, when they are deliberatly vindictive and offensive wont be tolerated any more..

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 7:14 pm

    Any honest evaluation of the situation should include an assessment of the motivations of the politicians screeching the loudest.

    Ahhhh … so that’s why Abbott took so long to make a comment … on Friday? That makes sense …

    And of course the Opposition pollies are much quieter than the ALP … mmmm … I can see that …

    The only thing that colours my agreement with your assessment though, sp, are some of your own comments and language regarding the Prime Minister …

    Just sayin’

    (Note …

    … personally, I find both Jones’ and Ellis’ comment would be considered inappropriate (politics aside) in most civilised circles, societies and institutions … pretty poor morals too … not the sort of comment you would make in polite company at say the church or synagogue or mosque … nor the local services club or the local football club {I know what would happen in the clubs I’m/I’ve been associated with} … and certainly not acceptable in the workplace …

    … politics is intertwined in the comments (because of the relationship between the Opposition Leader and Jones AND the fact that the comments in question were made to Young Liberals who aspire to public office and laughed … any Prime Minister deserves better …

    … but the core of this silly issue is a person, Jones, who is just so full of his own ego and inflated self worth that he has a diminished compassion for anyone … neither has anyone who thinks that a supposedly intelligent person, Jones, with a wealth of public presenting, couldn’t think that it would be offensive to most Australians …)

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 7:22 pm

    The personal attacks, when they are deliberatly vindictive and offensive wont be tolerated any more..

    Problem is, most of the right posters here (y’know them wot used to vote ALP 🙄 ) have trouble with political satire, humour, irony and sarcasm …

    best of luck … BTW … pleased you decided to manage the present rather than risk the future … 😉

  116. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 7:41 pm

    Only the left have a sense of humour, the kaf is full of humorists.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 7:49 pm

    Why was John Laws on 7:30 … 🙄

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 7:54 pm

    … politics is intertwined in the comments (because of the relationship between the Opposition Leader and Jones AND the fact that the comments in question were made to Young Liberals who aspire to public office and laughed … any Prime Minister deserves better …

    That’s it, he was talking to people who are already political activists, strategising to them, telling them to go even harder, anything less was weak and soft.

    And then we wonder why the level of political discourse is grubby and personal.

    Whatever happened to “a kinder, gentler polity”?

  119. October 2, 2012 8:00 pm

    “..Why was John Laws on 7:30..”
    Hey, don`t blame me, it was all my `cows` idea.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    October 2, 2012 8:13 pm

    703, I take it a cows is some sort of committee?

  121. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 8:14 pm

    ‘Whatever happened to “a kinder, gentler polity”?’

    It has always been so, only the interwebys have altered the discourse.

  122. lG Morris permalink
    October 2, 2012 8:16 pm

    Moo!

  123. October 2, 2012 8:22 pm

    I need to take some drugs.

  124. October 2, 2012 8:41 pm

    So .. you`Lot` have already forgotten the great job my `cow` did horning Mr-Rabbit. .. It`s a good thing the public don`t have a short-term memory. .. Next week .. Jones who.?

  125. JAWS permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:37 pm

    Yes you Bolshies are correct

    I shall now reform my sense of humour and laugh when I get called a pedophile and an ignorant prick in future

    By the way

    I thought we were moving on

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:44 pm

    It’s not his best week

    Tribunal upholds that Jones incited hatred

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 9:46 pm

    ” Whatever happened to “a kinder, gentler polity”?

    Personally, I’m nonstop kind and gentle, polite too.

    But when lying politicians deceive the public, some sensible types become less tolerant of the liars!

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 10:45 pm

    But when lying politicians deceive the public, some sensible types become less tolerant of the liars!…

    Not that tired old canard. You can’t hold a completely new and unforeseen government to the promises of the old. “When circumstances change, governments do change their opinions” [tony abbott when he broke the medicare safety net promise, 2004].

    They can’t be very sensible if they can’t acknowledge that a minority government, a hung parliament changes everything and new policy has to be negotiated with new players. The cosy little lab/lib duopoly of ‘no real change’ whoever takes government, was no longer in operation. New players management, new rules.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 2, 2012 10:56 pm

    AO, I think it’s fine that you’ve decided to have a protest vote in favour of Gillard. But the fact is that there is far too much attention paid to her “no carbon tax” commitment. This is to the detriment of all the other examples of dishonesty she has exhibited.

    Gillard made a written commitment to Wilkie in order to win her home in the Lodge. She knew exactly what she was doing and exactly the commitment she was making.

    With complete dishonour she broke her agreement.

    In my opinion, that’s the example that should be front and centre.

    I think some people are oriented towards being devious rather then open, and the PM is so inclined.
    ———————–
    Her duplicity over asylum seekers also renders her unworthy of support.

  130. el gordo permalink
    October 3, 2012 6:10 am

    ToM is perfectly accurate in his assessment of this minority government … Julia stitched up a deal at my expense. I voted for her mob because I’m a left winger, never imagining she would betray me so ruthlessly on such an important issue as the carbon tax.

    ‘New players new rules.’

    She is deceitful and we of the old left (not the watermelon brigade) will vote to eliminate her at the next election.

  131. el gordo permalink
    October 3, 2012 6:36 am

    The Daily Terror got the scoop…

    ‘THE publisher of the newspaper that broke the Alan Jones story has issued a legal threat to Fairfax Media for alleged breaches of copyright over the report, while the reporter who wrote the story is also considering legal action.’

    ‘Legal counsel for Nationwide News, publisher of The Sunday Telegraph which broke the story in its first edition late last Saturday, has written to Fairfax’s editorial director Garry Linnell and editors of The Sydney Morning Herald and Sun Herald warning them against infringing copyright in future.’

    Nick Leys SMH

  132. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 7:13 am

    never imagining she would betray me so ruthlessly on such an important issue as the carbon tax.

    Then perhaps you should be paying more attention 😉

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

  133. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 7:22 am

    Pretty lame effort by flaws(ip) of ‘look over there’, but really, trying to relate stupid, pathetic and even malevant remarks made by bloggers, not associated with the Labor party, and an old speech writer, not associated with the Labor party except for the speeches he has written, apparently means a close friend of the loto and influential person within the liberal party who wants to try and control the national debate can say this shit and get away with it. Nice try, but big time fail. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Please note that labor have, all along, called for his kind of debate to return to normal, from whichever side it emanates, left or right.

    jones is a bully boy who has been exposed as the thin skinned whimper he is, and tabot has ridden his coat-tails since his elevation to leader. The are intrinsicatly entwined, in a manner totally unlike any of the straw men put up here who have already been disowned and rebuked by Labor. As Laws slurred out last night

    JOHN LAWS: Because he espouses the virtues of the Liberal Party

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3602376.htm

    All these other straw men don’t ‘espouse the virtues of the Labor Party’ They might be lefties, they might even have written speeches for them. But they are not aligned politically down a divide like jones is, they haven’t made speeches to Labor conferences urging younger members of Labor to sink down to this level of debate. They may be lefties, but they are not aligned with Labor. Even Ellis, when he ran for office, ran as an independent, jones ran as a liberal. And, they have all paid for and been condemned for their stupid remarks.

    jones is being condemended currently because his most recent comments really take it to a new level of low, and because he is a serial offender, who has the biggest soap-box to which spruik his hate from.

    And tabot is copping it because jones specifically espouces the virtues of the liberal party. The libs have used his platform as their own for years. they cannot just ignore it now and say ‘bad boy’, then continue on like nothing has changes. Things have changed. jones ‘crossed the line’ And he is now paying for it.

    And so will tabot, if he isn’t big enough to take it head on. Simply saying that politicians should ‘conduct our political debate in a civil language’ would sound so much better coming from someone not responsible for abusing Bernie Banton, Nicola Roxon and Julia Gillard and using terms such as ‘that’s bullshit’ and ‘shit happens’. It is as convincing as an apology from jones.

    Swannie still gets it

    The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, said that given Mr Abbott was ”the most aggressive and abusive leader in our history, it’s little wonder that people like Mr Jones feel free to fill our airwaves with his poison”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/now-broadcaster-told-to-say-sorry-over-vermin-comment-20121002-26xia.html#ixzz28B8v7m7U

  134. October 3, 2012 8:22 am

    reb; You took a much longer time to tire than I did :).

  135. October 3, 2012 8:33 am

    Yes, I know Shane….. 😉

  136. October 3, 2012 8:34 am

    John Laws on the 730 report last might was hilarious!

    Well done reportland!

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3602376.htm

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:44 am

    “stupid, pathetic and even malevant remarks made by bloggers, not associated with the Labor party”

    Like Bowen’s idiot wife?

  138. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:44 am

    Well done reportland!

    Not sure if they can take all the credit. I reckon the booze had a bit to do with it too 😉

  139. October 3, 2012 8:47 am

    I was trying to think of who he reminded me of, and then it struck me…

    Sir Les Patterson!

  140. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:47 am

    Like Bowen’s idiot wife?

    Is she a member of the Labor party?

    I guess that means ulman is a Labor party hack ROFL

  141. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:52 am

    “Please note that labor have, all along, called for his kind of debate to return to normal, from whichever side it emanates, left or right.”

    ROFLMAO

    Oh really…………………………why not not cast your mind back to how the Labor Government viciously attacked one of its own in Kevin Rudd during the last leadership challenge. They called him everything under the sun to destroy his reputation because only by assassinating his character so completely could they somehow legitimise overthrowing a mid term PM whose poll numbers they would now kill for .

    So dont try and say the ALP have, “all along, called for his kind of debate to return to normal”

    Seems to me Kevin Rudd being the victim of “stupid, pathetic and even malevant remarks”
    means you TomR are making the “Pretty lame effort” with the “big time fail”.

  142. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:53 am

    “I was trying to think of who he reminded me of, and then it struck me…”

    I thought they’d found TB in Sydney

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:55 am

    “Is she a member of the Labor party?”

    Is Jones a member of the Liberal party?

  144. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:58 am

    I’m trying to recall just how viscous and nasty those comments were

    Didn’t they sink as low as to say that he was a serial ‘leaker’

    WOW, that’s brutal 😯

    Of course, calling Rudd a ‘leaker’ exempts jones from saying any vile crap he wants from his elevated pedestal, to some anyway

  145. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:59 am

    Is Jones a member of the Liberal party?

    He is their loudest megaphone, their biggest admirer, and, although he might not be now, he did run for office as a liberal.

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:04 am

    Tying yourself in knots, Tom R.

  147. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:04 am

    “I’m trying to recall just how viscous and nasty those comments were………..”

    Why am I not surprised ?

    How about psychopath for starters ?

    “A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.”

    So don’t even try to say the ALP is a cleanskin.

    ALP = Massive Fail since it will stoop to the level of eating its own no matter the cost.

  148. October 3, 2012 9:09 am

    Laurie Oakes – when Tony Abbott goes on Alan Jones ‘it’s almost a coaching session.’

    http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/jones-won-t-be-sacked-oakes/x8x6awm

  149. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:11 am

    Laurie Oakes and Alan Jones hate each others guts.

    Peter Van Onsolen (Right Wing Nutjob) gave it to Jones really big time on Skynews last night.

    It was unrelenting

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:13 am

    “don’t even try to say the ALP is a cleanskin.”

    The ALP cannot win by talking about their policies. They think they can win by vilifying their opponents and stirring up class envy against private citizens. This will be no more effective nationally than it was in Queensland.

  151. October 3, 2012 9:30 am

    The Liberal Party cannot win by talking about their policies. They think they can win by vilifying their opponents and stirring up class envy against private citizens. This will be no more effective nationally than it was in Queensland.

  152. el gordo permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:31 am

    ‘Then perhaps you should be paying more attention’

    I honestly thought she was just paying lip service to garner the watermelon vote…I won’t be making that mistake again.

  153. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:37 am

    psychopath lol

    That’s what you got

    Compared with laughing about a fathers death. Get a grip. Politics can be hard, and nasty. But this is whole new world

    psychopath. Meanies ROFL

  154. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:37 am

    I honestly thought she was just paying lip service

    😯

  155. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 9:48 am

    “That’s what you got”

    Oh well that’s settled then ay TomR

    Marking you with “Massive Fail, Must Try Harder”

    ROFLMAO

  156. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 10:07 am

    Oh well that’s settled then ay TomR

    Glad you finally realize that there is a difference between ‘robust’ debate, and pure hate speech.

    Because, going on the reaction to this and the reaction to the Rudd episode, the rest of Australia certainly understand it 😉

    http://www.change.org/petitions/2gb-and-advertisers-immediately-cease-association-with-alan-jones-over-died-of-shame-comment-boycott2gb#share

    with 101,254 supporters

  157. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 10:11 am

    Oh yes online petitions

    About as secure as an online poll when you have Getup in the background

  158. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 10:25 am

    Oh yes online petitions

    Don’t forget the conga line of ltdnews hacks who expressed their outrage too 😉

  159. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 10:31 am

    “The Liberal Party cannot win by talking about their policies. They think they can win by vilifying their opponents and stirring up class envy against private citizens. This will be no more effective nationally than it was in Queensland.”

    They don’t have much in the way of policies – that is a serious weakness for them. I didn’t see them attacking private citizens – maybe there are enough ALP crooks and boofheads. While the Libs would love to replicate the Qld outcome, Abbott is probably incapable of selling himself as well as Newman did.

  160. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 10:47 am

    Abbott is probably incapable of selling himself as well as Newman did.

    Which is why he relies on grubs like jones to do it for him.

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 10:58 am

    Tom R we are all in roaring agreement about Jones. In fact it wasn’t that long ago Gillard was a Jones regular, billing and cooing with the old bastard to build profile for her Lady Macbeth moment.

  162. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 11:04 am

    Gillard was a Jones regular,

    ROFL

    Once in a row too lol

  163. Deja vu all over again permalink
    October 3, 2012 11:25 am

    If you’re a follower of US politics you might be getting a sense you’ve seen all this before, including the (non-)apology and the boycott.

  164. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 11:37 am

    “Once in a row too lol”

    Now you have gone back to your most basic attack strategy of just making shit up again

    She was quite a regular when she was a Minister and was the beneficiary of high praise from Jones at the time.

  165. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 11:47 am

    Being not a listener of jones, I wouldn’t know what happened way back when. I’m just going on him grandstanding about the PM not being ‘brave’ enough to appear with him, and then, when she finally did, all he could wine about was the PM of hte country being ten minutes late for Him.

    Guess I’m just ‘MSU up again, or, if she was such a regular, why was he crying to get her on, just to priss over ten minutes of his precious time?

  166. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 12:02 pm

    “Being not a listener of jones, I wouldn’t know what happened way back when. ”

    So why if you don’t know do you now ” just ‘MSU up again” ?

  167. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 12:11 pm

    Well, why don’t you provide this ‘regularity’ for us, as all I’ve heard from jones is that the PM is too afraid to go on his show.

  168. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 12:38 pm

    So, bolt was infatuated, until she became PM, which meant he change his tune on pretty much everything he wrote there

    I’ll note bolt is one who also complains about being ignored 😉

    still waiting (and while we’re on DeJaVu, some listening music)……………

  169. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:00 pm

    “Rolling On The Floor Laughing”

    “Once in a row”

    “Actually I wouldn’t know”

  170. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:00 pm

    Well…………..go get Jone’s diary and I’ll find the on air telephone conversations and in studio interviews for you.

    I’m not your link slave

  171. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:02 pm

    Yep…………. there’s alot of truth in TomR’s statement of “Actually I wouldn’t know”

  172. October 3, 2012 1:12 pm

    Ms Gillard hasn’t appeared on Mr Jones’ program since February last year when he scolded the Prime Minister for being 10 minutes late for the interview, and then went on to call her “Ju-liar”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-rules-out-appearing-on-joness-program-20121003-26yn5.html#ixzz28CaHLqHU

  173. October 3, 2012 1:15 pm

    So the PM hasn’t been on the Alan Jones show for 18 months, but jaws reckons she’s “a regular…”

    You’re kind of your own little fact free zone aren’t you Flaws….

  174. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:19 pm

    She was quite a regular when she was a Minister and was the beneficiary of high praise from Jones at the time.

  175. October 3, 2012 1:21 pm

    Snacty quotes Flaws…

    I’ve seen it all now. 🙄

  176. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:25 pm

    “She was quite a regular when she was a Minister ”

    waiting………

    Luckily, I’m patient 😉

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:26 pm

    Gillard, like Rudd, was a regular on Jones’ show when she was on the make, politically. Not so much when she had some hard questions to answer as PM. It is the same old dance of the political whores and media tarts, a simple trade of access for relevance. Politicians want to get a message across to a particular audience. News hosts want to get some talent on the show to demonstrate their “pulling” power. It is an a arrangement of mutual convenience.

  178. October 3, 2012 1:28 pm

    Perhaps splatter, Jaws is an Alan Jones show fan so I guess he would know.

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:38 pm

    If you’re a follower of US politics you might be getting a sense you’ve seen all this before, including the (non-)apology and the boycott.

    Yes, you are right tony, this ‘war on women’ has it’s roots in the US and conservative men still trying to oppress women and control their fertility choices.

    Not surprising that it has been imported here with the number of repug interns as aides and staffers in abbott’s camp.

    It just might be their big mistake.

    So, if they want a war on women, they might find that australian women [and their male supporters] will take up the fight, that we are fiercely independent. We’ve come too far to continue to allow men to control our lives through oppression. Alan jones by coming out like this has been good for women, bring on the battle.

    Not that I think labor is in any way a socially progressive party for women, the catholic connection within and the unions are just as sexist as the libs. But it just might be the start of better things to come and a distinct message to politicians and their mouthpieces.

    Where will it end? Perhaps women will form their own political party and really take men on? That sounds good to me, what a shake up to the status quo!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gretchen-whitmer/republicans-women_b_1337903.html

    It’s time for us, as a nation, to say enough is enough. It’s time for us to say that personal attacks designed to degrade women as individuals and as a whole are not acceptable. Women make up more than half of the population, and if we use our vote this year to send a strong message back against those who are waging this war against us, we will have the power to stop this uncivil discourse right in its tracks. We owe it to our daughters and sons to do just that.

    It’s another ‘it’s time’ moment.

  180. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:39 pm

    “You’re kind of your own little fact free zone aren’t you Flaws….”

    FMD

    I didnt say as PM I said as Minister

  181. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:41 pm

    Perhaps its not clear enough for you

    MINISTER*********************** NOT************************PRIME MINISTER

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:50 pm

    sorry, my first para is quoting tony:

    If you’re a follower of US politics you might be getting a sense you’ve seen all this before, including the (non-)apology and the boycott.

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:55 pm

    “It’s time for us, as a nation, to say enough is enough. It’s time for us to say that personal attacks designed to degrade women as individuals and as a whole are not acceptable.”

    Wow! Does this mean the US lefties are going to give up trying to vilify Sarah Palin? Or maybe the are really, really sorry for the Aunt Jemima jibes at Condi Rice. Or for the gutless attacks on Anne Romney. Or maybe they are just stinking hypocrites.

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2012 1:57 pm

    And as you married/partnered men here have found through long experience, you don’t want to make women angry on things important to them. You might just find yourselves being judged and found wanting or is that unwanted and unnecessary!

  185. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:00 pm

    OK…………….here

    But how many do you 2 want……….?

    Would you like me to cover 2008 and 2009.

    Perhaps the ALP Opp as well

    FMD

    http://ministers.deewr.gov.au/gillard/transcript-radio-interview-2gb-alan-jones

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/alan-jones-casts-a-vote-for-julia-gillard-as-leader/story-e6frgczf-1225837079741

  186. October 3, 2012 2:03 pm

    In 30 months as a MINISTER, Ms Gillard appeared on Jones’ show 10 times.

  187. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:04 pm

    Thankyou Average

    As I said TomR

    You make shit up !

  188. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:09 pm

    Wow! Does this mean the US lefties are going to give up trying to vilify Sarah Palin? Or maybe the are really, really sorry for the Aunt Jemima jibes at Condi Rice. Or for the gutless attacks on Anne Romney. Or maybe they are just stinking hypocrites.

    No, Splatter. When the Left do it, it’s “satire”. Don’t you get it? You wouldn’t. You’re (maybe) a Conservative.

    Here’s how it works. If a left wing commentator racially or misogynistically abuses a Conservative, it’s all in fun, you see, and the Conservative person needs to get a spine.

    If a commenter on a blog repeats a false and defamatory accusation about a Conservative politician’s father about avoiding the perils of war, that’s entirely fair and moreover, the onus is on the contradictor to prove that it’s false.

    However, if a Conservative commentator makes an off the cuff (yet pointed, nasty, and ill-timed) comment about a Labor female politician*, he should be banned from broadcasting for life, his (maybe) homosexuality is open for rampant mockery, and to ensure that you don’t get tarred with the same brush you should renounce your own particular conservatism, perform an act of contrition, declare your belief in climate change and the Carbon Tax as a solution to this grave problem, march in a peace march, and join your kids up to the Young Fabian Society.

    *Never mind that she both personally and politically has plenty to be ashamed of not that that was the cause of her father’s death because it wasn’t.

  189. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:10 pm

    The deputy prime minister braved the lion’s den

    WOW, the wordsmiths at the oo have a way of describing ‘regular’ 😆

  190. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:13 pm

    And as you married/partnered men here have found through long experience, you don’t want to make women angry on things important to them. You might just find yourselves being judged and found wanting or is that unwanted and unnecessary!

    You of course mean people, don’t you? I mean women wouldn’t act any differently from an emotional perspective just because they are women? Would they?

  191. Deja vu all over again permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:26 pm

    Good news armchair opinionator. I’ve found your women’s party for ya. 😉

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 3, 2012 2:31 pm

    Women bottoms partners are never so happy as when they have just had a good seeing to.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2012 3:14 pm

    Oh yes online petitions … About as secure as an online poll when you have Getup in the background

    I suppose if you keep shooting your mouth off you’ll hit something eventually …

    Read it and retract … 🙂

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/why-alan-jones-should-be-scared-of-what-happened-to-vile-kyle/story-e6frfmqi-1226487273417

  194. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 3:58 pm

    waiting…………

  195. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:01 pm

    “I suppose if you keep shooting your mouth off you’ll hit something eventually …”

    I have no idea what you are rambling on about

    However what happened to Kyle is no indicator.

    The competition in FM is much greater than in AM. In Sydney there are now effectively only 2 AM commercial stations of any note they being 2GB and 2UE with 2CH and 2SM well in the rear by some astronomical distance.

    The demographic is not even similar between the younger FM to AM audience. Jone’s sponsors like Mercedes, Harvey Norman (advertising mostly furnishings not electronics as on AM), Bing Lee ( advertising mainly whitegoods)are advertising to older demographics.

    Jones has been in this territory before. He’ll emerge.

    I suspect a few sponsors are exercising “break clauses” to enable renegotiation of the volume of advertising they are already contracted to. I know in a belt tightening world I would be opportunistic like that.

    Anyway, asking a child when did she first have sex and getting a response that she had been raped didn’t deter Gillard from reappearing on Kyles program later.

    I’ve got nothing to retract as we need to wait and see about Jones

    I do note that TomR and Reb are very quiet as far as whether Julia was a regular on Jones or not.

    I now expect to be told that 10 appearances in 30 months does not meet their personal definitions of “regular”

    But do I expect to see a retraction about being a fact free zone ?

    Not at all.

  196. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:03 pm

    “waiting…………”

    What for ?

    Or didnt you work out you just need to double click on “Averages” sock puppet to be taken to Gillards media centre?

  197. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:07 pm

    You asked for the Link

    There it is……………..

    Cant you count either ?

  198. October 3, 2012 4:07 pm

    “I do note that TomR and Reb are very quiet as far as whether Julia was a regular on Jones or not.”

    ????

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/public-backlash-over-alan-jones-vile-remarks-only-just-beginning/#comment-9175

  199. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:08 pm

    Gillards media centre

    Oh, I worked it out, did you?

    Perhaps you can highlight the list of jones appearances there. There was only one at 2GB, and that wasn’t even jones when “The deputy prime minister braved the lion’s den” on that occasion

  200. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:09 pm

    Fine

    Just ignore the Link(s)

  201. October 3, 2012 4:10 pm

    I see that the petition calling for advertisers to boycott the Alan Jones show has now surpassed 100,000.

    That’s equivalent to two thirds of his audience.

  202. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:12 pm

    I didn’t ignore the link, I actually went there.

    There was nothing there about jones at all on the media centre, which kind of made me laugh when you made such a big deal about it. Or is she such a closet ‘regular’ that she doesn’t want to spruik it 😉

  203. October 3, 2012 4:12 pm

    ” I know in a belt tightening world I would be opportunistic like that.”

    Gee, how not surprisement….

  204. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:13 pm

    That’s equivalent to two thirds of his audience.

    And 10 times the brain cells

  205. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:13 pm

    I already gave you 2 specifics in the very immediate lead up to being crowned PM.

    Twice in what 3 months in 2010. And remember she was not the PM.

    I’m not going to play your game I’ve got money to make.

    You either follow the Links and count them or you dont. Its upto you

    There is no one sentence detailing how many times

  206. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:16 pm

    ” I know in a belt tightening world I would be opportunistic like that.”

    “Gee, how not surprisement….”

    So yesterday you called on us all to move on from personal attacks, or just attacking contributors for the sake, of it yet that is precisely all you have been doing with me today.

    Nothing else

  207. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:17 pm

    So what exactly are the New Rules then?

    Did they change sometime overnight ?

  208. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:20 pm

    There is no one sentence detailing how many times

    There is no one article in the media page that links to jones. The other one you sent mentioned Gillard ” braving the lion’s den”, like all ‘regulars’ do 😆

    You go make money, and I’ll just be here

    waiting …………….

    🙂

    (oh, OK, I might do some work in the meantime 😉 )

  209. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:21 pm

    So what exactly are the New Rules then?

    RULE 1: When you make a claim, follow it up with links that actually support your argument

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  210. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:23 pm

    Just double click on “See More Results”

    Even you can do that

  211. October 3, 2012 4:27 pm

    “Even you can do that”

    What was it you were saying about personal attacks…..?

  212. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:30 pm

    Oh, I did that

    I get Bill Shorten and Peter Garrett

  213. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:30 pm

    “When you make a claim, follow it up with links that actually support your argument”

    That’s not just funny but friggin hilarious coming from you.

    How many times have we watched you tie yourself up and run off to the Café for weeks at a time.

    ROFLMAO

  214. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:31 pm

    “What was it you were saying about personal attacks…..?”

    So obviously there are 2 sets of rules

  215. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:32 pm

    The link only has a few articles from Gillard back in 2010, most of the rest are more recent from other ministers

    Maybe the wrong link was used?

  216. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:33 pm

    Q:How many times have we watched you tie yourself up and run off to the Café for weeks at a time.

    A: 0 🙂

  217. el gordo permalink
    October 3, 2012 4:43 pm

    ‘… and run off to the Café for weeks at a time.’

    That’s me…resident troll at the kaf.

  218. October 3, 2012 4:58 pm

    Tom R is correct. The wrong link was used.

    Links to all 10 transcripts should be in moderation.

  219. October 3, 2012 5:00 pm

    49 advertisers have withdrawn from Alan Jones show on 2GB as of this morning.

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2012 5:33 pm

    A speshul cut and paste for, Wally … and others who can’t be bothered following my link …

    THE campaign to silence Alan Jones and take him off the air screams déjà vu.
    There are stark similarities to the “Sack Vile Kyle” campaign against fellow radio shock-jock Kyle Sandilands.

    Sponsors deserted Sandilands’ radio show en masse late last year after a vicious on-air attack on a female journalist.

    And now, Jones, who sparked a huge social media backlash with comments that Julia Gillard’s father “died of shame”, faces similar criticism.

    But have major advertisers come crawling back to Sandilands?

    No, says one of the organisers of the Vile Kyle social media campaign, Kate Drury.

    “There really haven’t been that many who have said they would withdraw who have now gone back,” Drury told news.com.au.

    Of a list of 26 major companies who pledged to withdraw their advertising from the Kyle and Jackie O Show for all 2012, Drury said just one or two went back on their word.

    They’d be foolish to go back, she said.

    “Consumers have a voice. We’re not so passive. We can use social media.”

    “The paradigm has shifted – these things don’t have to go by the wayside.”

    More than 100,000 people have so far signed the petition against Jones on Change.org and at least 35 advertisers have pulled their support, including Harvey Norman, McDonald’s, Honda, Hyundai and 7-Eleven.

    It’s a much bigger result than the Sandilands campaign – which finished up with more than 35,000 signatures.

    Sandilands was disciplined by his network with 15 minutes of decency training. Despite that, Drury said she believed the campaign had some success.

    “Their ratings may be back or better than they were, but they’re still feeling the pinch [from the boycott by advertisers],” she said. Austereo declined to comment.

    Vinay Orekondy, an organiser of the Jones petition, said there were huge similarities between the campaigns against Sandilands and Jones.

    Both Jones and Sandilands are paid to make controversial comments on radio, Orekendy said, but with social media people are now in a position to challenge that.

    “It’s tragic – it pays to be awful,” he said.

    “What I think is happening now is its very easy for people to get together now and challenge that.

    “We don’t hate them … We’re trying to hold him accountable to this.”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/why-alan-jones-should-be-scared-of-what-happened-to-vile-kyle/story-e6frfmqi-1226487273417#ixzz28DVgxUG4

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    October 3, 2012 5:34 pm

    So obviously there are 2 sets of rules

    Ours and ours …

  222. JAWS permalink
    October 3, 2012 6:23 pm

    Thank you reb

    I got the message

  223. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 6:47 pm

    Gillard was a Jones regular,

    I’ll give you that one, but hardly

    billing and cooing with the old bastard

    😯

  224. October 3, 2012 6:51 pm

    Let’s take a look at the ol’ Scoreboard…

    Tom R and reb: 0

    Jaws: 1

    How’s the disappointment…. *sigh*

  225. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 7:06 pm

    I can live with that reb 😉

    jones 0

    The Mob 104,803 (and counting)

    http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/2gb-and-advertisers-immediately-cease-association-with-alan-jones-over-died-of-shame-comment-boycott2gb

  226. October 3, 2012 7:14 pm

    I think you’re being too generous Tom..

    Jones: -49 (advertisers)

  227. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 7:16 pm

    Interesting reading those old transcripts though (thanks for finally getting them up there jaws). While combative, they don’t display the level of outright hatred and animosity he has shown since the last election, and the beginning of the Great Unhingement. A hatred that has finally coalesced into what we saw the other day, the lowest level of ‘debate’ witnessed in our time (no matter how old you are)

    What brought this on, I wonder, old age, or is he just a really bad loser?

  228. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 7:18 pm

    Jones: -49 (advertisers)

    The Mob 104,847

    Thanks for the maths lesson reb 😉

  229. October 4, 2012 8:53 am

    “hardly billing and cooing with the old bastard”

    Yeah. She usually saves that sort of stuff for married men.

  230. October 4, 2012 9:19 am

    LOL @ MiniPiglo… 🙂

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:31 am

    Today’s news reminds me that so many of those that have been defending Gillard against the level of criticism she (generally legitimate) criticism she receives are the very same people who made the most outrageous and unsubstantiated comments about Kathy Jackson because of her personal relationship.

    People with a mindless political commitment simply lose sight of their hilarious hypocrisy.

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:32 am

    I mean…

    Today’s news reminds me that so many of those that have been defending Gillard against the (generally legitimate) criticism she receives are the very same people who made the most outrageous and unsubstantiated comments about Kathy Jackson because of her personal relationship.

    People with a mindless political commitment simply lose sight of their hilarious hypocrisy.

  233. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:34 am

    You’re absolutely fucking with me aren’t you yomm. To equate joking about a persons personal tragedy for political points to pointing out that jackson isn’t the squeaky clean she makes out to be.

    Tell me you are joking 😯

  234. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:35 am

    However, the CANME Services matter bears many similarities to both the Neranto Number 10 and the K. Koukouvaos Consulting scandals that Kathy is embroiled in. There is however, a major difference though, Julieanne Williamson was never an employee of HSU, with Neranto and Koukouvaos Consulting, both Kathy and Jeff Jackson were not only employee’s they were Secretary’s.

    From your old mate who apparently worked in an office block once 😉

    http://wixxyleaks.com/2012/10/03/i-fought-the-law/

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:50 am

    The big allegation by the self-confessed mud thrower Wicks, is that Jackson somehow put pressure on her partner, SDP Lawler, to put pressure on FWA Investigator Nassios to corrupt or distort his own findings about Thomson.

    Lawler and Nassios shared an office apparently, had coffee together, did favours for each other according to Wicks… but he has not a shred of evidence for this, other than his vibrant imagination/wishful thinking.

    It’s interesting, would any male union official have been subjected to the same personal scrutiny of her personal live as Jackson. Uniondom is a complete boys club, despite the gloss the put on the front of the store with decent people like Ged Kearney.

  236. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:51 am

    It’s interesting, would any male union official have been subjected to the same personal scrutiny of her personal live as Jackson.

    Thank god they left Thom(p)son alone then 😆

  237. Tom R permalink
    October 4, 2012 9:52 am

    Speaking of 😆

  238. The emphatic biases of Jones permalink
    October 4, 2012 7:23 pm

    Fairfax: “The campaign is being directed at one man who nobody has ever been obliged to listen to. I would much rather have the emphatic biases of Jones, the gauche excesses of Kyle Sandilands, the squadron of earnest progressive clones at the ABC, than this gutless, sanctimonious wash of collective, opportunistic blackmail.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/one-mans-rebuke-is-anothers-lynch-mob-20121003-26zkf.html#ixzz28JvonWcW

  239. el gordo permalink
    October 4, 2012 7:44 pm

    Sheehan has style, very readable….

    ‘Most Australians do not like a brawl involving 100,000 people against one. Nor do they like disproportion. And here we have an attempt to ruin someone over an impromptu remark, made at a private function, on the spur of the moment and later withdrawn, together with a public apology.’

    Jones was a goose, there is no denying, but the uproar is over the top.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2012 8:19 pm

    And here we have an attempt to ruin someone over an impromptu remark, made at a private function, on the spur of the moment and later withdrawn, together with a public apology.

    Impromptu, my arse …

    A private function, may arse …

    Spur of the moment, my arse …

    Withdrawn … BS …

    Public apology … more BS …

    Shanan simply shifting “blame” and defending the “turf” … fancy using Geriatric Harvey as an intelligent person …

    Sheehan has style, very readable….

    If you like school boy bully “style” …

    Sheehan is right and 103,000 must be wrong! LOL!

  241. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 4, 2012 8:35 pm

    I love TomR’s definition of “pointing out”.

  242. October 4, 2012 11:22 pm

    “.And as you married/partnered men here have found through long experience, you don’t want to make women angry on things important to them. You might just find yourselves being judged and found wanting or is that unwanted and unnecessary!.”
    +
    Sounds like Mr Gorsky Mr-Armchair is hen-pecked.

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 5, 2012 1:34 am

    Sounds like Mr Gorsky Mr-Armchair is hen-pecked.

    Typical of some male attitudes

    “people call me a [insert whatever label – feminist, lesbian, ballbreaker etc] whenever I express sentiments that distinguish me from a doormat”

    Just two people who will try to respect and support what is important to each other as different but equal people. Not always easy but we’ve got our individual strengths and weaknesses covered and on looking around at friend’s relationships, we’re no better or worse.

    I would much rather have the emphatic biases of Jones, the gauche excesses of Kyle Sandilands, the squadron of earnest progressive clones at the ABC, than this gutless, sanctimonious wash of collective, opportunistic blackmail.”

    hehe, I love a collective uprising against one the might and power of the media to manipulate people through hatred, fear and division.

    It’s interesting, would any male union official have been subjected to the same personal scrutiny of her personal live as Jackson.

    Only if the partner of said union official didn’t declare an enormous conflict of interest and actually interfered in the investigative process that his own agency conducts into his partner’s organisation. Then the partner must get shunted interstate because he’s brought the whole investigative body into disrepute.

    “…Women bottoms partners are never so happy as when they have just had a good seeing to…”

    ??? i have no idea what you are on about there, it doesn’t make sense. You might need to explain.

    And here we have an attempt to ruin someone over an impromptu remark, made at a private function, on the spur of the moment and later withdrawn, together with a public apology.

    hehe, must be speaking about an entirely different or fictional event.

  244. Carlton Crew permalink
    October 6, 2012 9:13 am

    “The intellectual snobbery is a hoot.”

    Indeed.

  245. el gordo permalink
    October 6, 2012 10:22 am

    Yes indeed…

  246. October 7, 2012 9:50 am

    How’s the humiliation…. Alan Jones told to hand back his Merc….

  247. October 7, 2012 9:54 am

    reb

    Good news to wake up to the fact that Alan has to hand back his mercedes and mercedes benz state never again will they advertise with Alan Jones or the radio station.

    So much for the advertisers will return in a few months. I hope the other advertisers also do the same thing and realise that nastiness has gone too far.

  248. October 7, 2012 10:20 am

    I know Shane, it’s fantastic!!

    Why any company would want to be associated with his hate-filled bile is beyond me…

    And Simon Berger sacked too…

  249. October 7, 2012 10:23 am

    reb

    Simon Berger should have been sacked immediately. Employees these days are expected to act in a manner promoting their employee and their values, even outisde working hours. Woolies would sack a check out chick, if they brought the nameand brand into disrepute in an instant. yet a big boss isn’t sacked but rather resigns. The hypocrisy and double standards is glaringly obvious. Maybe the rest of the Woolworths board think the same as Berger ?

  250. October 7, 2012 11:18 am

    “Simon Berger should have been sacked immediately.”

    I think that’s a tricky one Shane…

    They could’ve been hit with unfair dismissal claims…. But then as the fall out unfolded it probably became apparent that his position had become untenable. Particulary given that his role is in PR.

  251. el gordo permalink
    October 7, 2012 2:21 pm

    ‘The Macquarie Radio Network has announced that it will be temporarily suspending all advertising on Alan Jones’ 2GB breakfast show.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/macquarie-suspends-ads-on-jones-show-20121007-27704.html#ixzz28a0gPTGO

  252. October 7, 2012 3:40 pm

    Thanks for that link egg…

    How hilarious that the station boss has blamed the public and “cyber bullying” for the backlash…

    They just don’t seem to get it do they.

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    October 7, 2012 3:48 pm

    And strange that there is a campaign against the PM for “attacking” Tony Abbott as a male chauvanist … dressed up as Margie “defending” him … and female Liberal attack dogs “supporting” him … and the hide to say that all the personal vitriol comes from the ALP … ’cause Tones is such a nice lad … his wife and his mum said … but not politically …

    Do these dickheads really think we are that fkn gullible …

    Winter is coming!

  254. October 7, 2012 9:37 pm

    ” Excellent piece by Mike Carlton on Alan Jones ”
    Ditto, Carlton did a good job. .. Heads-Up Armchair
    +
    ” the humiliation .. Alan Jones told to hand back his Merc ”
    I`m just Lovin this too.

  255. October 7, 2012 9:57 pm

    ” How hilarious that the station boss has blamed the public and cyber-bullying for the backlash ”
    +
    Agree. .. Yeah, Tate`s peddling the Mac-Radio *derp.
    Mac has/used to have Bolt. Not really a stable of respect or intelligence.

  256. el gordo permalink
    October 7, 2012 10:10 pm

    ‘Do these dickheads really think we are that fkn gullible …’

    The average punter falls into that category and may be swayed by propaganda coming out of Limited Nooze.

  257. October 7, 2012 11:16 pm

    Wow Egg .. I would have thought you would be a Fan of Limited-Nooze and be one of their `average-punters`

  258. el gordo permalink
    October 8, 2012 7:52 am

    The average punter has no serious interest in political minutiae and will accept that the monk is no slouch with a handsome wife and beautiful daughters. It has been intelligently designed by Nooze to give their preferred option a bounce in the polls.

  259. October 8, 2012 8:24 am

    “intelligently designed ”

    LOL!

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2012 9:39 am

    In view of all this, I listened to Alan Jones this morning. Shrill, shouting, self-important, it made me glad that I no longer live in Sydney.

    For him to get any audience shows odd taste, but for him to be popular says plenty about the city itself.

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2012 9:43 am

    I suppose those that are reflecting on the use of Mrs Abbott will also recall the political use of Mrs Hawke.

    Though Mrs Abbott seems a little brighter than the current First “Partner”, Hyacinth the Hairdresser.

  262. October 8, 2012 10:04 am

    Nothing like calling your sponsor a “gutless wonder” to repair the relationship.

  263. el gordo permalink
    October 8, 2012 10:14 am

    Hyacinth strikes me as the strong silent type.

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