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Tony Abbott “Dies of Shame” in Question Time

October 9, 2012

 

It was an extraordinary day in Parliament today.  The Opposition felt that they were on to a sure winner when they opened proceedings to move a suspension of standing orders in order to call for the immediate sacking of Parliamentary Speaker Peter Slipper.

In calling for Mr Slipper to be sacked, Mr Abbott said:

“And every day the prime minister stands in this parliament to defend this Speaker will be another day of shame for this parliament, another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame”

As the words “died of shame” were left hanging in the air, you could almost hear the gasps from the gallery.

The twittersphere immediately erupted, mostly with incredulous disbelief.

The Prime Minister launched into a passionate response with barely contained rage.     She tore into Mr Abbott’s new-found “feminism” presenting a litany of examples to expose the Opposition as a sexist mysoginist.

“If he wants to know what misogyny looks like in modern Australia he doesn’t need a motion in the House of Representatives, he needs a mirror,” she told parliament.

The Prime Minister told parliament she was personally offended by Mr Abbott.

“I was personally offended the Leader of the Opposition said abortion is the easy way out,” she said.

She added she was “personally offended” when Mr Abbott called on her to be “an honest woman.”

“Something that would never have been said to any woman sitting in this chair,” she said.

“I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition went outside and stood next to a sign that said ‘Ditch the Witch’.”

She attacked Liberal MPs who were at a Young Liberal function where Jones made the remark that Ms Gillard described today as the “most vile things”.

“The government is not dying of shame, my father did not die of shame, what the Opposition Leader should be ashamed of is his performance in parliament,” she said.

It was an extraordinary display of unbridled emotion that left the Opposition looking sheepish if not completely destroyed.
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321 Comments leave one →
  1. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 6:29 pm

    I don’t agree, Reb. I think Labor just lost the mysoginy war.

  2. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:14 pm

    Apparently something happened in parliament today.

    Seriously, though, aren’t people getting fed up with both sides fighting over the moral “high ground” while simultaneously plumbing the deepest depths of disgusting rhetoric? I know I am.

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:23 pm

    http://benpobjie.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/ugh.html

    I agree with ben, the battle is between pricks and non-pricks and abbott is the same prick today that he was at uni all those years ago.

    As the words “died of shame” were left hanging in the air, you could almost hear the gasps from the gallery.

    What is wrong with him? Insensitive prick, if that is not openly supporting alan jones!

    Breaking news, slipper is resigning.

  4. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:23 pm

    These “discussions” of moral and/or ethical questions should not be occurring in parliament at all. Unless someone in parliament has broken the law, or transgressed some written rule regarding parliamentary behaviour, the debate should be about policy. The rest is just moralising by holier-than-thou moralisers about unwritten and arbitrary standards of behaviour – including Slipper’s texts and Abbott’s misogyny.

  5. public toilet permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:32 pm

    Tony is correct. Parliament is a distractionary farce.

    Snacty is predictable. Wishful thinking at its pinnacle.

  6. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:36 pm

    “the mysoginy war”

    I’m with James. I struggle with the spelling too because it’s not a word I’d ever used much if at all. (Does that make me a misogynist?)

  7. el gordo permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:36 pm

    Melham quits his caucus job to save his seat.

    ‘A source close to Mr Melham said: “He’s had a gut full of them and how dysfunctional the executive has become.

    “He was sick of the way Cabinet Ministers treated the caucus.”

    ‘The resignation will re-enforce perceptions that Ms Gillard was losing confidence within the caucus.

    ‘It also follows a slide in the polls today for Labor, with a three point drop in its primary vote, after several months of gains.’

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:46 pm

    These “discussions” of moral and/or ethical questions should not be occurring in parliament at all…

    The rest is just moralising by holier-than-thou moralisers about unwritten and arbitrary standards of behaviour – including Slipper’s texts and Abbott’s misogyny…

    All very good except you forget to mention that the moralising, the public statements couched in sexist/misogynist terminology, the bedroom watching, the sexual voyeurs all come from the conservative side. They introduce this kind of personal moralising as an attack every chance they get. It is their method of operations, without that the fibs would be mute in parliament.

  9. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:48 pm

    “all come from the conservative side”

    Maybe yes, mabe no, but I’m critical of it from wherever it comes.

  10. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:51 pm

    To put it another way: parliament is the last place I’d be looking for guidance on standards of behaviour.

  11. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 7:55 pm

    The only standard of behaviour anyone is obliged to comply with is the law. The rest is just one person or group trying to impose their morals on another person or group.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:06 pm

    The only standard of behaviour anyone is obliged to comply with is the law

    Wrong … as Alan Jones and Tony Abbott (and The Toad last night on Q&A found out) … the slippery slope just got really slippery … (pun intended) …

    Emotion is a wonderful thing, ToSY, you should try it sometime … academic nonsense BTW … the law is one group of people imposing their morals on a nother group too … but strangely enough … most people in society have standards that are not couched in legal terminology but simply in being able to live together …

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:10 pm

    Maybe yes, mabe no…

    At least publicly anyway.

    I know that labor has the sexists and the religious nutters too, but they at least keep it well hidden from the public and from public policy [perhaps preferring to work by white anting, leaking and through faction power]. At least labor maintain an affirmative action policy of female representation and don’t pretend that the overwhelming jobs for the boys are all based on ‘merit’ [if those blockheads are there due to merit, what does it say about the talent pool].

    but I’m critical of it from wherever it comes.

    not so as to be noticeable 😉

  14. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:10 pm

    Wrong …

    Not wrong. Our system is based on the rule of law, where everyone is equal before the law. Full stop. Being anti-social is not illegal, nor should it be. “Polite society” is a fabrication of moralisers.

  15. el gordo permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:10 pm

    ‘Emotion is a wonderful thing…’

    You humanz.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:18 pm

    Traditional views might be old fashioned, you may not like them AO.

    But they’re not simply “women hating”, they’re not misogynist.

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:20 pm

    … the law is one group of people imposing their morals on another group too …

    exactly, and historically, the law has been steeped in class bias [property ownership] patriarchy, racism and sexism.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:21 pm

    Traditional views might be old fashioned, you may not like them AO.
    But they’re not simply “women hating”, they’re not misogynist</i.

    So what are these 'traditional views' then tomm?

  19. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:23 pm

    “exactly, and historically, the law has been steeped in class bias [property ownership] patriarchy, racism and sexism.”

    Oh, so the rule of law is tainted. Do you have a better suggestion?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:27 pm

    Oh, so the rule of law is tainted.

    Don’t you? And yes …

  21. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:29 pm

    It might also be instructive to consider that our system of laws dates back to 1215 and Magna Carta, whereas the terms patriarchy, racism and sexism have their origins in 1923 with the Frankfurt School.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:32 pm

    AO, I have a daughter, I suppose I hope that she doesn’t lose her virginity in the backseat of a car following big, drunken night at a trendy club. I hope she has loving, stable relationships, and maybe not even too many of them.

    That’s a traditional father’s opinion, and it isn’t hugely different to the views Abbott expressed about his own daughters, which have been widely condemned for some reason.

    Do you find my comment about my wishes for my daughter “misogynistic”, because Abbott’s were called that.
    ——————————-
    Slipper resigned, good. This genuine sleaze should not be the most senior parliamentarian.

    The ALP lost big time today, because –
    • They defended this unpleasant misogynist, and he’s gone anyway
    • Gillard lost the plot, and alienated plenty of suburbia
    • She launched the most bitter, personal attack, and will now hypocritically lament the loss of parliamentary standards
    ————————-
    Leigh Sales had a fair crack at Anthony Albanese, standby for a range of barrackers claiming that she’s been got at by News Ltd… or something.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:39 pm

    A generation of women have now gone and got themselves educated, some research suggests they are doing better than the males. Now they’ve gone out and feel themselves equal in qualification to men and resent being held back because of gender, because men expect to have the promotions and the better money.

    Do you see any similarity with the oppression of women in backward countries like afghanistan where the taliban refuses for women to have schooling and education? Where the ‘traditionalists’ here like the religious ‘directed’ education and the fundies prefer home schooling?

    It might also be instructive to consider that our system of laws dates back to 1215 and Magna Carta, whereas the terms patriarchy, racism and sexism have their origins in 1923 with the Frankfurt School.

    oh so that means the oppression of women didn’t happen? FMD 😆

    AO, I have a daughter, I suppose I hope that she doesn’t lose her virginity in the backseat of a car following big, drunken night at a trendy club.

    And if she does, it his her right to do so. I would hope her father would not consider that to be a fault of hers alone – we are talking about two people aren’t we? Would you feel the same about your son?

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:49 pm

    Like it or not AO, I believe young men are more inclined to prey on young women than vice versa.

    Though I hope my son also shows great care in relationships.

    But I don’t believe I’m “misogynist” if I’m more anxious about the whereabouts of my daughter if she stays out until 3 or 4am.

    I don’t accept that these types of “traditional family values” are misogynistic. They’re actually quite common in families. I don’t think Gillard gets this.

  25. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:55 pm

    I actually find the Coalition campaign against Slipper particularly distasteful. Taxpayer funded or not, private messages should be private. Except for this. Slipper clearly has a problem with entitlement and denial. It is not a problem that began yesterday, but developed over time. The Liberal Party decided that it had got too big and were in the process of edging him out of Parliament.

    Rather than allow this to happen, the Labor Party elevated him to Speaker just so they could kick that humorless little spook* Wilkie in the nuts. They knew the problem. They knew the risks to the Parliament, the ALP, and to Slipper and his family.

    Julia Gillard should stand utterly condemned for this. She made a promise to Wilkie she knew she couldn’t keep, and the rest is history. And she didn’t even need to make the promise. Spare me the Abbott misogyny crap, however it’s spelt. Gillard was the one who called wives prostitutes. It’s about competence, and she has none.

    *credit Joe Hildebrand.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 8:55 pm

    …and by the way, just to clarify…

    I expect to get anxious about my son for different reasons, such as the random violence in cities. But I don’t think he will have the same risks with sexual predators.

  27. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:03 pm

    They defended this unpleasant misogynist, and he’s gone anyway

    No they didn’t, they defended the concept of ‘due process’. Try listening to the events again.

  28. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:05 pm

    Quote Of The Day: Life is what happens to us while we are making other plans.

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:06 pm

    Tell me Tom R, is due process demanding that Abbott should resign as opposition leader, for “misogyny”?

    This is a dishonest government, this is just today’s example.

  30. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:10 pm

    “the law is one group of people imposing their morals on another group”

    Sad but true. And as my morals vary from the pervasive sanctimonious leftism of the intellectual elite, I really, really, hate it.

  31. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:18 pm

    is due process demanding that Abbott should resign as opposition leader, for “misogyny”?

    No,, it is merely highlighting the hypocrisy of tabots position.

  32. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:32 pm

    Just watching a replay of the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe. The clerk of course leading in the winning horse-jockey combination is a woman, riding – wait for it – side-saddle!

    Tradition? Or, sexism/misogyny/patriarchy? I think all you penis-owners know the answer to that. DONT YOU!?

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:35 pm

    But I don’t believe I’m “misogynist” if I’m more anxious about the whereabouts of my daughter if she stays out until 3 or 4am.

    That’s a BS argument tomm, a if you’d be a misogynist for wanting to protect your children, that’s not what a misogynist is as I suspect you well know. You are being disingenuous.

    Your daughter will choose what she wants to do with her own body,as is her right, depending on how you choose to parent, will be whether you get to know about it or not.

  34. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:37 pm

    This is she . . .

    PARIS - Longchamp

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:38 pm

    It might also be instructive to consider that our system of laws dates back to 1215 and Magna Carta, whereas the terms patriarchy, racism and sexism have their origins in 1923 with the Frankfurt School.

    It’s also instructive that the Magna Carta had nothing to do with equal rights for women (what a silly argument) … it’s also instructive that not much happened about “outing” the Rule By Robber Barons and male chauvanists until 1923 (according to you – I really don’t know) …

    And ToM … I worry about my boys as much as my girls … wait till you sit down and work out with your son his “encounters” and dates, when he is told he fathered a child at 19 … (and no he wasn’t …)

    Many of the comments above actually are sexist today and belong in the 1950’s … that’s the point … if you see it you don’t get it … I’m sad to think that we are still at this stage of developement … men and women are different but instead of celebrating the difference one continues to try domination …

    … the male Micks still rule* and every male Mick I come across is a Liberal voter for bloody good reason …

    Show me a female Pope and I’ll show you real change … the hypocrisy of the churches is astoundingly sexist … and busy at politics …

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:38 pm

    if you DON”T see it you don’t get it

  37. public toilet permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:41 pm

    😯

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:48 pm

    And Winter is coming!

  39. October 9, 2012 9:49 pm

    ” government which should already have died of shame ”
    *
    Looks Like Mrs-Rabbits `cameo` tour has just gone up in smoke.
    The embedded media will be on `died-of-shame` for the rest of the week, you will also see this as Mr-Rabbit trying to take heat off Jones.

  40. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:53 pm

    I have a feeling the embedded media won’t be able to ignore the Sinking Of TheSlipper, as much as they’d like to after today’s futile show of support. Much hilarity. 😆

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:53 pm

    No AO, Abbott expressed similar concerns about his own daughters, this has been called misogynist, creepy, sleazy.

    Like it or not (I believe) young women are more likely to be sexually taken advantage by older, experienced men, than vice versa. Expressing specific concerns about young women isn’t sexist or misogynist.
    —————————
    …and the examples used by Gillard today also don’t represent a hatred of women, they may represent a dislike of Gillard.

  42. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 9:57 pm

    “(what a silly argument)”

    Yes. 😉

  43. October 9, 2012 9:57 pm

    ” *credit Joe Hildebrand. ”
    Fck, l`m in the twilight-zone. ..
    1. Snacky`s quoting Hildebrand.
    2. Hildibrand`s making some sense.
    FFS .. who opened the scary door ?

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:07 pm

    if you DON”T see it you don’t get it

    Yes, that’s it TB, they don’t see it, they live in the world of male privilege. They like it and use it to their own advantage. They are oblivious to the sexism that is encountered on a daily basis by females because they are part of it. They prefer to work with other blokes and blokes rules because blokes ‘get’ them. Pretty scary and uncomfortable when women come along ‘destroying the joint’.

  45. October 9, 2012 10:09 pm

    ” I know that labor has the sexists and the religious nutters too, but they at least keep it well hidden from the public and from public policy “

    Dear Armchair
    How can somebody who supports a party that drones `transparency`, every chance it gets, along with other terms like, fairness, inclusion, equality,
    *
    But then turn around and recommend the party behaves the opposite toward the voting public.?
    *
    Don`t we all screech about the `church` management behaving like this RE crime, pedo-priests, Law/Justice-dodging.?

  46. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:12 pm

    Quote Of The Day MKII: “(Magna Carta is) the greatest constitutional document of all times – the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot.”

  47. SF Lyons permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:13 pm

    I don’t think it was unbridled anger from the PM at all. I think it was very controlled, focused anger, laying out some cold truths that were well overdue being said.

  48. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:19 pm

    I disagree with the anti-social way you behave, but I defend to the death your right to behave that way. ~ ToSY 2012.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:20 pm

    No AO, Abbott expressed similar concerns about his own daughters, this has been called misogynist, creepy, sleazy.

    Wasn’t it his antiquated belief about all female virginity, their one and only gift to men? Women being valued for their virginity and chasteness, rather than the person that they are?

    Sounds much like you are thinking the same.

    I actually thought you were talking about two different things, protecting your daughter from harm/sexual predators and her giving of her virginity to whomever she chooses and that is how I have replied. They are two different things. I didn’t realise you were trying to equate the two as if they are one argument. Disingenuous.

    You mustn’t have much faith in your daughter’s ability to know the difference either.

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:25 pm

    But then turn around and recommend the party behaves the opposite toward the voting public.?
    *

    Where have I recommended anything? I just say it as I observe it. It’s not my recommendation or wish, if I had my way we’d know all about their religious and business/industry affiliations and allegiances before we voted.

  51. October 9, 2012 10:26 pm

    “Gillard wins a verbal stoush, and maybe an election too ”

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-wins-a-verbal-stoush-and-maybe-an-election-too/

  52. el gordo permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:28 pm

    misandry is a word

  53. el gordo permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:33 pm

    ‘Anyway, the PM struck back with lethal force not seen since the Night of the Long Knives. Her manner was brutal, and was a strong reminder of why so many saw her as a natural PM-in-waiting.’

    guffaw

  54. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:39 pm

    You know what, Kittylitter, you throw the word misogyny about a lot here yet no one, male or female, speaks in more general, more derogatory terms more often about the opposite gender in this blog than you do. Your comments above and often about the apparent misogynistic motivations of participants here are offensive. The word is misandry apparently. Weird that I had to look it up because I suspect it is a more common affliction than misogyny.

  55. October 9, 2012 10:44 pm

    ” if I had my way we’d know all about their religious and business/industry affiliations and allegiances before we voted. ”
    .
    Yes, me too. .. And what they actually want to achieve with their position/term in parliament.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:51 pm

    …and the examples used by Gillard today also don’t represent a hatred of women, they may represent a dislike of Gillard.

    Oh I’m sure that tony has a good relationship with women that he can dominate and control, women who don’t compete with him, like the females in his family and the subordinates in his workplace.

    He attacks gillard in a very gendered way, one that insults all women. His public policies [if allowed] are based upon misogynist religious views in regard to females and their right to control and choose what they do with their own bodies.

  57. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 10:59 pm

    Pliberseck on Lateline looks gutted. They’ve been smashed today and they know it.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:02 pm

    Abbott only expressed a view about his daughters, he doesn’t have any sons.

    Fundamentally AO, his view isn’t particularly out of kilter with the way I feel about my daughter. But it’s up to him to choose exactly how to express the sentiment.

    All in all, generally fathers feel protective of their daughters and don’t wish them to fall into a series of relationships.
    That’s not creepy or misogynist.
    ————————–
    …and if it’s only some types of women Abbott doesn’t like, then it’s not “misogyny”. It’s more like the way lots of women apparently feel about Abbott. They don’t like his aggressiveness, his extreme competiveness. Maybe he don’t appreciate those characteristics in his political opponents either.

  59. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:04 pm

    70 members of the Parliament today supported a bloke who believes a woman’s vagina looks like a mussel without a shell.

    It’s enough to put you off paella for life.

  60. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:08 pm

    By they way, Tony Abbott prefaced his “daughters’ virginity” response with “if they asked”. Those three words are critical in terms of context and particularly in terms of backgrounding the hypothetical question.

    It says that he wouldn’t lecture his daughters on the issue, but would provide THAT advice if it was sought.

    It takes a special misandry to interpret that as misogyny.

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:11 pm

    You know what, Kittylitter, you throw the word misogyny about a lot here yet no one, male or female, speaks in more general, more derogatory terms more often about the opposite gender in this blog than you do.

    yeah yeah, what a surprise opinion from james, the resident boltaphile.

    The one lone female voice here is the worstest? Or is that how you perceive it to be james? I sift through numerous threads on this blog where females are routinely discussed in an offensive manner, but anything said by one woman against the flow, is an attack upon your masculinity. News for you sunshine, If I chose to comment on the many and varied sexist remarks made by you lot here, I’d never be able to do anything else.

    At least I do speak in general terms and don’t mount personal attacks, I recognise that not all men here behave that way.

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:25 pm

    Fundamentally AO, his view isn’t particularly out of kilter with the way I feel about my daughter. But it’s up to him to choose exactly how to express the sentiment.

    And he expresses it in a way that women find offensive, don’t you get it? Everything he says and the way that he says it, women find offensive.

    It’s up to your daughter to choose how she lives her life and what she does with her own body, you don’t own her and her sexuality is hers to express, not yours. Her virginity or lack of, is not for a father to judge, condemn or see as an extension of his own male pride. You can always support her and protect her, no matter what she chooses to do, whatever mistakes, failures and successes she makes, including the sexual ones, the same as you would for a son.

  63. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:32 pm

    The Age are running with the AWU story tomorrow. Hartcher is angling for a Rudd challenge.

  64. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2012 11:34 pm

    ….and THAT’S how you raise your daughter, ToM. Be sure to pass that on to your wife.

    PS I dont think Kittylitter gets the irony.

  65. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:11 am

    ‘And he expresses it in a way that women find offensive, don’t you get it? Everything he says and the way that he says it, women find offensive.’

    Only you sweetheart.

    Personally, being a girlie man, I want to see women get equal fkn pay.

  66. October 10, 2012 7:34 am

    ” The one lone female voice here is the worstest? Or is that how you perceive it to be james? I sift through numerous threads on this blog where females are routinely discussed in an offensive manner, but anything said by one woman against the flow, is an attack upon your masculinity. ”
    *
    I have to agree with that, it sounds like an out-break of soft-cock.
    But I would add, hate of Joolya does not translate to hate of women in general. Just as Mr-Rabbits misogyny does not translate to men in general. Most men are without much in the way of power too.

  67. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:49 am

    Rather than listen to a critic of the Frankfurt School describe the origins of political correctness, hear it instead from one of the founding members . . .

  68. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:12 am

    Interesting to hear Marcuse concede that Marxist revolution hadn’t led to communism as Marx predicted it would, but instead in many cases had led to fascism.

  69. October 10, 2012 8:48 am

    “Pliberseck on Lateline looks gutted. They’ve been smashed today and they know it.”

    Snacty’s moved into parallel universe fantasyland…

    Pliberseck was cool calm and articulate….

  70. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:00 am

    Perhaps snacty should step away from his prejudice for a sec 😉

    Labor is going to cop a bit in the short term, cos the media just cannot work out that they have been had again. But what will remain, is Gillard standing in Parliament, calling tabot a sexist and misogynist, and then backing it up with examples.

    Whether misogynist is the absolutely correct term is moot at this point, it is there. In the same way that the media has labelled the PM with the ‘liar’ tag, Labor have now hung the misogynist one about tabots neck.

    And the poor petals here complain about it now ‘getting personal. 😆

    The opposition have been playing the person since they LOST the last election. Too late to complain now that Labor have finally taken their gloves off and hit back. These gutless worms reckon they wanted a fight, but a soon as a shot is fired back in anger, they run to the hills. Piss weak, like all schoolyard bullies turn out to be.

    PM Julia Gillard:

    I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man, I will not.

    And the Government will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man. Not now, not ever.

    The Leader of the Opposition says that people who hold sexist views and who are misogynists are not appropriate for high office.

    Well, I hope the Leader of the Opposition has got a piece of paper and he is writing out his resignation.

    …………………………………………….

    Then, of course I was offended too by the sexism, by the misogyny of the Leader of the Opposition cat-calling across this table at me as I sit here as Prime Minister.

    ‘If the Prime Minister wants to politically speaking make an honest woman of herself’, something that would never have been said to any man sitting in this chair.

    I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition went outside in the front of Parliament and stood next to a sign that said “Ditch the witch”.

    I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition stood next to a sign that ascribed me as a man’s bitch.

    …………………………………………….

    With respect, I’d say to the Leader of the Opposition, after a long personal association including attending Mr Slipper’s wedding, it would be interesting to know whether the Leader of the Opposition was surprised by these text messages.

    He certainly is in a position to speak more intimately about Mr Slipper than I am and many other people in this Parliament given this long personal association.

    …………………………………………….

    Then, of course, the Leader of the Opposition comes into this place and says and I quote “Every day the Prime Minister stands in this Parliament to defend this Speaker will be another day of shame for this Parliament. Another day of shame for a Government which should already have died of shame”.

    Where has that phrase come from?

    Can I indicate to the Leader of the Opposition the Government is not dying of shame. My father did not die of shame.

    …………………………………………….

    But whenever people make up their minds about those questions, what I won’t stand for, what I will never stand for, is the Leader of the Opposition coming into this place and peddling a double standard.

    Peddling a standard for Mr Slipper he would not set for himself, peddling a standard for Mr Slipper he has not set for other members of his frontbench, peddling a standard for Mr Slipper that has not been acquitted by the people who have been sent out to say the vilest and most revolting things like his former Shadow parliamentary secretary, Senator Bernardi.

    I will not ever see the Leader of the Opposition seek to impose his double standard on this Parliament. Sexism should always be unacceptable. We should conduct ourselves as it should conduct ourselves as it should be always unacceptable.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-09/gillard-vs-abbott-on-the-slipper-affair/4303618

  71. October 10, 2012 9:10 am

    Gillard’s response to Abbott has gone Global and despite the claims from Yom and Snacty that somehow this will backfire (did they actually see it?), the “rest of the world” agrees that it us one of the best political speeches ever….

    http://www.news.com.au/national/gillards-misogynist-abbott-blast-echoes-around-world/story-fncynjr2-1226492464967

    The 15 minute impassioned speech, in which Ms Gillard accused Mr Abbott of “peddling a double standard” and having a long history of sexism and misogyny, was uploaded to YouTube and viewed around the world.

    The US-based, women-focused Jezebel.com blog, owned by Gawker media and boasting millions of readers, said the video was the “best thing you’ll see all day: Australia’s female prime minister rips misogynist a new one in epic speech on sexism”.

    In the UK, the conservative Telegraph described the speech as a “brilliant political pivot”, saying she had turned “defending the indefensible” (the Peter Slipper scandal) into a speech that cleverly shifted the focus of the entire news story.

    “Watching a female Prime Minister tear apart the male leader of the Opposition with such aplomb, composure – but most importantly armed with a brilliantly impressive set of insults – backed up with dates and times of when each shocking comment was said – was the best card Gillard, ever the political animal, could have played in such a situation,” the reporter said.

    The Guardian also republished the video, though without editorial comment.

    And a writer for The Spectator said there was “much to admire” about the speech which had left Mr Abbott “carved to pieces”.

    In the US a blogger for the New Statesman compared Ms Gillard to the Incredible Hulk, beginning his report with “The Australian PM is angry. You wouldn’t like her when she’s angry.”

    A blogger at the influential Business Insider linked to the video, with the headline “An Australian politician shrinks in embarrassment, as the prime minister destroys him for being a misogynist”. The article became a social media hit, spreading across Twitter and Facebook.

    The speech also made headlines in South Africa, Canada and India.

    Social media helped spread news of the speech, with “Gillard” hitting the top ten Twitter trends in Australia and also trending internationally.

    In the UK actor Chris Addison, from hit political satire The Thick of It, retweeted a link to the video saying “This is the best smackdown I’ve ever seen. Glorious. Advance, Australia Fair!”

    He then tweeted again: “That Julia Gillard speech is mesmerising. You can see the colour drain from him. Wonderful.”

  72. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:12 am

    ‘Most men are without much in the way of power too.’

    tru dat

  73. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:15 am

    Some genius said

    Labor have now hung the misogynist one about tabots neck.

    And now it’s gone VIRAL 🙂

    “Watching a female Prime Minister tear apart the male leader of the Opposition with such aplomb, composure – but most importantly armed with a brilliantly impressive set of insults – backed up with dates and times of when each shocking comment was said – was the best card Gillard, ever the political animal, could have played in such a situation,” the reporter said.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/gillards-misogynist-abbott-blast-echoes-around-world/story-fncynjr2-1226492464967

  74. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:15 am

    DOH, beat me to it reb 🙂

  75. October 10, 2012 9:18 am

    “He then tweeted again: “That Julia Gillard speech is mesmerising. You can see the colour drain from him. Wonderful.”

    That was the best bit for me. Tony Abbott looked completely gutted.. He thought he was on to a sure thing with his deputy egging him on, but Julia completely destroyed him in the space of ten minutes. I thought he was going to cry, a job that’s usually left to Christopher Pyne…

  76. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:24 am

    snacty shows he’s in tune

    Julia ‘badass’ Gillard: Slipper resignation just a sidebar as PM praised around the world as a champion for women for stance against Abbott

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/julia-badass-gillard-slipper-resignation-just-a-sidebar-as-pm-praised-around-the-world-as-a-champion-for-women-for-stance-against–abbott-20121010-27c0g.html#ixzz28qLQ86Me

  77. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:24 am

    “brilliant political pivot” cleverly shifted the focus of the entire news story.’

    This is the crux of the matter, the PM has successfully turned a disaster into positive spin.

  78. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:25 am

    Wonder if this will get to 110,000?

    http://www.change.org/petitions/sack-tony-abbott-as-leader-of-the-opposition#share

  79. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:41 am

    The barrackers should record that speech and use it to console themselves after the election – when Labor is struggling to scrape together sufficient MPs to form a credible opposition. 😉

  80. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:44 am

    “Wonder if this will get to 110,000?”

    Haha. Not only do the faceless men (PC alert) people want to choose the leader of the Labor party, they want to choose the opposition leader as well. Malcolm, anyone?

  81. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:49 am

    I prefer my female prime ministers less – what’s the word? – whiney screechy.

  82. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:53 am

    they want to choose the opposition leader as well.

    They would have been better to round up a few 18 wheelers and drive to Canberra to demand it, shouldn’t they 😉

  83. October 10, 2012 10:18 am

    I am very proud of my ABC as they don`t seem to copy and paste their news off jezebel.com

  84. October 10, 2012 10:36 am

    ” The barrackers should record that speech and use it to console themselves after the election ”
    .
    But how will that help Liberal voters.?

  85. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:57 am

    Maybe this will help ’em 😉

    /large

  86. October 10, 2012 10:58 am

    I was so proud of Julia yesterday. For too long Abbott has been treated with kid gloves by our supine media. His hideous personal defects have been ignored or glossed over, so much so that the Australian people were unaware of the dark side of this truly evil monster.

    Distractions like the government’s policies or record should be ignored for the moment. This is a far more substantive issue. Do we really want Australia to become a misogynist medieval theocracy? That is what is at stake here. Abbott must be destroyed as person so that his ilk will slink off to the garbage bin of history.

    I can’t believe the hypocrisy of the Abbott fanboys who a short while ago hammered Roxon for commenting on the Slipper case and now whine that the government is awaiting the outcome of that case before commenting.

    I suppose we will now get another pathetic display from Abbott’s poor beleaguered wife. It is the worst case of Stockholm syndrome I have seen.

  87. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:07 am

    Ahh, the compassionate left. 🙄

  88. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:19 am

    ‘Do we really want Australia to become a misandry medieval theocracy?’

    There…fixed it.

  89. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:27 am

    You know what’s disgusting? All this (selective) new puraitanism, that’s what. Fkn moralising moralisers.

  90. October 10, 2012 11:33 am

    Hilarious!

    Abbottlickers reckon that having their boy get strips torn off him for being a senseless prat is a net positive for him!

    I dunno how they do it, but they always contort their brains into secreting a silver lining for Abbott. Quite a feat of Olympic level mental gymnastics!

    Ahh, the compassionate enthralled right. 🙄

  91. October 10, 2012 11:34 am

    Because the right is never puritanical, moralising or judgemental, ever …in the eyes of the right.

  92. October 10, 2012 11:36 am

    Abbott going back to the ‘recently popular’ “died of shame” quip was a stroke of pure genius. * guffaw

    The rusted-on Abbotteers love that punchline…who cares about the rest of the electorate 😯

  93. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:37 am

    You know what’s disgusting?

    tabot ❓

  94. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:39 am

    The rusted-on Abbotteers love that punchline

    You mean the misogynists? (oops, ‘traditionalists’) 😉

    http://izismile.com/2010/05/28/very_sexist_ads_from_the_50s_24_pics.html

  95. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:40 am

    “Because the right is never puritanical, moralising or judgemental, ever …in the eyes of the right.”

    The social conservatives are, a lot. I’m criticising everyone who’s indulging in this crap. And I’m speaking for myself, not “the right”.

  96. October 10, 2012 11:41 am

    A snide comment is no substitute for a logical argument, Tony. Sexism is a cancer eating at our society, inflicting misery on millions of people every day. Our PM has had the courage to call it by its name and it’s name is Tony Abbott. By taking on this one gruesome individual Julia has empowered women everywhere to stand against all the nameless Tony Abbotts – the little tyrants who flaunt their sexist attitudes in ways big and small in every dealing they have with women.

  97. October 10, 2012 11:41 am

    Stop using fascist, commie, leftist, elitist contemporary buzzwords, TomR. I for one can see that you are part of a Stalinist plot to overthrow the moral guardianship of the benevolent right.

  98. October 10, 2012 11:46 am

    I agree with you, in principle, Tony. We shouldn’t be looking to the government of the day (or the Opposition) to endorse or disendorse acceptable standards of behaviour. They should be there to ‘manage’ the ship & keep it above water; not to school the wretched in manners.

    My antagonisms are more directed towards the apparent stupidity of Abbott’s reiterating unwise words…& the evident observation by supporters that doing so was a winning strategy that makes his rectal sunbeam even more appealing to the public.

  99. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:55 am

    I understand the point you’re trying to make MiniPiglo, I just think the words you chose to describe it were somewhat hysterical. But, hey, go right ahead if that’s what you want to do. Just don’t expect me not to point out what I see as ridiculously inflated allegations of evil. 😉

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:03 pm

    “Hysterical” is itself a sexist term which is presumably why you italicised it, Tony.

  101. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:04 pm

    I for one can see that you are part of a Stalinist plot to overthrow the moral guardianship of the benevolent right.

    Viva La Revolution 🙂 😆

  102. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:06 pm

    ‘“Hysterical” is itself a sexist term which is presumably why you italicised it, Tony.’

    Is it? Cultural Marxism Political Correctness is sooo confusing.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:06 pm

    The raven, wearily, scrabbles through the window … the measter removes the message …

    A note for, Ser Misogynist …

    Winter is coming!

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:10 pm

    “Hysterical” is itself a sexist term which is presumably why you italicised it, Tony.

    It wasn’t until your comment made it so in an attempt to insult a female poster… it can be used in many ways … “the crowd was hysterical with laughter” … is not sexist at all …

    You DICKS really don’t get it do you … 🙄

  105. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:28 pm

    For the ‘histerical’ ones

    Abbott’s motion demanded that Slipper be fired “immediately”—not parliamentary procedure—because the texts were “vile” and “derogatory.”

    Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/julia-gillards-misogyny-speech.html#ixzz28r49ydea

  106. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 10, 2012 12:30 pm

    I was being serious (sort of) TB:

    This disease, which Greek and Roman doctors believed was caused by a wandering, sex-starved womb, was said to threaten women’s sanity. (Which, of course, is why the term “hysteria” -– from the Greek word “hyster,” meaning uterus –- became a synonym for madness.)

    ………………

    In a series of papers, Baker-Brown argued that the professional manipulation of the clitoris to induce paroxysms was no cure for hysteria. In his view, it only made the problem worse by feeding the patient’s lust for gratification. The only effective solution, he insisted, was a permanent one: the surgical removal of the clitoral glans. As Martha Coventry wrote in a famous article for Ms., Baker-Brown promised that after a clitoridectomy, “intractable women became happy wives; rebellious teenage girls settled back into the bosom of their families; and married women formerly averse to sexual duties became pregnant.”

  107. October 10, 2012 1:03 pm

    The circle of hypocrisy is complete. Abbott says he will accept Slipper’s vote.

  108. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 1:05 pm

    Abbott says he will accept Slipper’s vote.

    Like he’s gonna get it lol

  109. October 10, 2012 1:29 pm

    Is it? Cultural Marxism Political Correctness is sooo confusing such a convenient scapegoat; helpfully all encompassing.

  110. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 1:37 pm

    ‘Sexism is a cancer eating at our society, inflicting misery on millions of people every day.’

    In Saudia Arabia, Afghanistan and Egypt perhaps, but not here.

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 1:40 pm

    The best that can be said is that Gillard has tried to navigate her way through a crisis, entirely of her own making, by attacking Abbott.

  112. October 10, 2012 1:53 pm

    oh come on Tom, that’s just pure BS….. Honestly…

  113. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 10, 2012 2:01 pm

    That’s right, Reb, she is not even close to through it. She is finished.

    Double page spread in The Age re- the AWU. Even they have turned their back. As has the caucus leader which would have been front page otherwise.

    Problem is, there’s only one who will accept the poisoned chalice.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 2:12 pm

    Well let’s see…

    • Gillard was told about Slipper’s unsavoury history
    • She knew he had a record of rorting his expenses
    • She was counselled by caucus colleagues about Slipper
    • She knew she needed to break her written word to Wilkie
    • She chose to appoint Slipper as Speaker

    Rather than acknowledge her own singular role in all this, she’s attacked Abbott.

    Have I missed anything?

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:00 pm

    Still playing the same old songs … some people learn by discover, others by experiences good, bad or disastrous ..

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ser Toillette,

    Winterfell has fallen!!

    Winter is coming

  116. public toilet permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:08 pm

    You have some BIG shocks coming up, Ser Bee.

    Lead characters aren’t sacred in Westeros.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:23 pm

    Yep, I guessed as much, Ser Tee, I remember, Ned Stark’s, swift demise …

    Have you noticed some similarities to characters here? Especially the, Lannisters … 😉

  118. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:28 pm

    ‘Have I missed anything?’

    No.

    Politics has never been so colourful…the leading protagonists in a duel to the bitter end…winner takes the spoils.

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:34 pm

    The social conservatives are, a lot. I’m criticising everyone who’s indulging in this crap. And I’m speaking for myself, not “the right”.

    ‘cos left…right…left libertarians are sooo … self indulgent? A political grouping of people who would wish us to return to the days of feudal rule, when property ownership and the laws of the land made to suit yourselves meant you could lord it over everybody else and truly were the master of yourself and all that you ‘possess’.

    Because the right is never puritanical, moralising or judgemental, ever …in the eyes of the right.

    Hmmm, I see the difference now, prejudice, hatred and bigotry vs puritanical, moralising or judgemental.

    I prefer my female prime ministers less – what’s the word? – whiney screechy…

    And I prefer mine less – what’s the word? – sexist and misogynist abbott

    … I just think the words you chose to describe it were somewhat hysterical.

    Both are nice and deliberate examples of the topic of the day. So ballsy, but is there a point, other than to insult?

    Only you sweetheart.
    Personally, being a girlie man, I want to see women get equal fkn pay.

    Still got one leg on either side of the fence, or is it you trying to offset your insults/offence by appearing to be a committed fence sitter, thereby gutlessly avoiding further scrutiny. At least snacty is open about his targets and hatreds.

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:36 pm

    Have I missed anything?

    yeah, abbott’s history of sexism and misogyny, past and present.

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:47 pm

    Sexist perhaps AO, but I don’t think he meets the definition of “misogynist”. Is all sexism “misogynist”?

    There is not evidence that he “hates women” per se.

  122. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:57 pm

    lol, all of a sudden, yomm gets out the dictionary 😯

  123. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 10, 2012 3:59 pm

    Hang on…..who do I hate?

  124. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 4:03 pm

    who do I hate?

    Marcel ❓

  125. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 4:06 pm

    “A political grouping of people who would wish us to return to the days of feudal rule, when property ownership and the laws of the land made to suit yourselves meant you could lord it over everybody else and truly were the master of yourself and all that you ‘possess’.”

    I know the answer, pick me, pick me!

    Ahem. It’s the Strawman Party, isn’t it? 🙂

  126. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 10, 2012 4:10 pm

    Marcel

    No, although I suspect he hates me and the fact that that troublesome GBR is still there.

  127. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 4:44 pm

    ‘Still got one leg on either side of the fence, or is it you trying to offset your insults/offence by appearing to be a committed fence sitter’

    As mentioned earlier to teebee…its not a crime being neutral. I once called TomR a ‘sweetheart’ and he wasn’t offended, but obviously you see the same word in a different light.

    Feminism has had its day because of PC.

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 4:59 pm

    Hang on…..who do I hate?

    So your personal attacks on myself, past and present, more personally offensive and abusive than those given to your male opponents with whom you differ politically [some sensitivity and understanding shown as to differences] have just been a figment of my imagination?

    Sexist perhaps AO, but I don’t think he meets the definition of “misogynist”. Is all sexism “misogynist”?

    I don’t think so tomm a lot of it is simply an acceptance and defence of inherent male privilege. This anti-PC BS is just code for male backlash of what they see as threats to their self awarded superiority and the systems they utilise to entrench it in society. To me, it has become a misogyny writ large.

    Yes, I think that for anyone to be sexist, even the male womaniser who professes to ‘love’ women, there has to be an element of misogyny in it.

    There is not evidence that he “hates women” per se.

    [wiki] …Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. According to feminist theory, misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.

    Sounds like tony to me.

    Also, he is strongly religious and all religions oppress all women IMO, any male or female who accepts the dictates of their religion must be accepting of the misogyny and sexism that man created and organised religion contains.
    Tony abbott [among other male politicians] seeks to impose his religious worldview upon all australian women, even those who don’t share his religious belief, through political power.

    Ahem. It’s the Strawman Party, isn’t it?

    Especially when snidey personal potshots are camouflaged as political difference.

    I once called TomR a ‘sweetheart’ and he wasn’t offended, but obviously you see the same word in a different light.

    yes, funny that, seeing we are of different genders, is that the “some of my bestest enemies are black” defence?

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 5:03 pm

    As mentioned earlier to teebee…its not a crime being neutral.

    Feminism has had its day because of PC.

    I’m going with:

    …gutlessly avoiding further scrutiny…

  130. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 10, 2012 5:13 pm

    So your personal attacks on myself, past and present, more personally offensive and abusive than those given to your male opponents with whom you differ politically [some sensitivity and understanding shown as to differences] have just been a figment of my imagination?

    Offense is subjective. If you are offended, bad luck. I don’t set out to offend. Abusive is objective. I don’t believe I have ever been abusive to you or anyone else for that matter.

    I don’t discriminate in how I approach my argument to anyone personally, but I do on the basis of what they say. Adrian and Shayne Chester were two who, for different reasons, I reckon got it worse than you ever have. Nature (although I’ve never been certain as to gender there) probably copped it worse than you too.

    You, to the extent that you “cop it”, cop it for reasons of your method of argument.

    Let’s look at the current argument as an example. As pointed out above, misogyny means hatred of women. Hatred is an extraordinarily strong term to use in regards to anyone. You use it all the time. It is unnecessary. And unnecessarily aggressive. So for my part I give it back in kind.

    But I don’t hate you, Kittylitter. To me, you are an online character. I could no more hate you than I could love anyone online. How could one form such emotions of someone they don’t know?

  131. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 5:17 pm

    “Especially when snidey personal potshots are camouflaged as political difference.”

    Okay, I’ll play. I’m usually very careful to avoid making comments of a personal nature. But you must have some particular comment(s) in mind so perhaps you’ll be kind enough to point them out.

  132. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 5:39 pm

    I don’t believe I have ever been abusive to you or anyone else for that matter.

    ROFL (subjectively of course)

  133. October 10, 2012 6:14 pm

    “Offense is subjective. If you are offended, bad luck. I don’t set out to offend. ”

    Objection your honour!

    As an aspiring lawyer Snacty, you should be well aware that if is someone is “offended” it is not simply “their bad luck.”

    In fact the aggreived individual in most cases that I’m aware of, is generally given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to feeling humiliated or offended…

    Regardless of whether you think you do or do not “set out to offend” you will have to face the consequences if someone does find you offensive…

  134. October 10, 2012 6:19 pm

    From 2DT Shock Jock’s link…

    Much amusement! I hardly find those urinals offensive. In fact, given the scale of those “lips” you’d thing that most men’s willys would look tiny by comparison. If anything it’s almost reverse mysoginy…

    Chuckle…

  135. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:24 pm

    We’re not in court, Reb. If Kittylitter would like to bring a suit, she is welcome.

  136. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:25 pm

    Example, TomR? This will be fun.

  137. October 10, 2012 6:30 pm

    Typical bully boy response.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:34 pm

    I don’t set out to offend.

    BS

    I don’t believe I have ever been abusive to you or anyone else for that matter.

    BS

    hahahah, ROFL with tomr

    Everyone should forget all of my past comments, as I have now disowned them all, just like abbott, I’ve been born again and again 😆

  139. October 10, 2012 6:38 pm

    “I don’t believe I have ever been abusive to you or anyone else for that matter.”

    I do recall a couple of prize insults that made it to the “praise” section of Gutter Trash…

    Just sayin…

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:42 pm

    Example, TomR? This will be fun.

    Don’t bother trawling back through the years tomr, it’s not worth the effort, we have very good memories and besides he’ll only obfuscate, deny and misrepresent as always “it’s not a lie if you believe it”. I remember james always used to get very heated and aggressive [especially to women, not just me] about any gender based issues. Didn’t get the ‘young libber’ tag for nothing.

  141. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:42 pm

    Example, Kittylitter?

  142. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:45 pm

    Far easier to just apply labels, eh? Oh the irony.

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:49 pm

    Example, Kittylitter?

    Not playing your silly game this time james.

    I do recall a couple of prize insults that made it to the “praise” section of Gutter Trash…

    That’s so subjective reb, are you against free speech? [or whatev bolt says].

    We’re not in court, Reb. If Kittylitter would like to bring a suit, she is welcome.

    ROFL louder, is this comedy hour?

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 6:52 pm

    As mentioned earlier to teebee…its not a crime being neutral.

    er, wrong poster, egg, I think your reply should have been to, KL …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On radio this morning Mr Abbott said he had “forgotten” the Jones saga of last week.
    “I’d completely forgotten about (the Jones saga) of course, but nevertheless. Look I have said time and time again this is a government that has died of shame, that should’ve died of shame years ago,” he told 2UE.
    “Look it was a clear reference to the government, I don’t think anyone should be trying to make anything out of this.
    “It just goes to show how the political correctness police are on a rampage, for anyone even to think there was a problem.”
    After Mr Abbott made the comments in Parliament yesterday, Ms Gillard replied, “Well can I indicate to the Leader of the Opposition the Government is not dying of shame, my father did not die of shame.”

    Today Mr Abbott said Ms Gillard’s complaint was a bit rich coming from a Prime Minister who was “prepared to knife Kevin Rudd but was not prepared to sack Peter Slipper”.

    Yep, insensitive, stupid, nasty , and forgetful … wonderful character traits for a wannabe PM … Go Tony! (Please)

    Winter is coming!

  145. October 10, 2012 6:55 pm

    I have added this admirable organisation to our links page…

    http://www.destroythejoint.org/

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:05 pm

    I think there are some “pieces of work” here!

    Apparently that’s a very objectionable insult*

    *according to Julia Gillard

  147. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:05 pm

    No actually Reb has a point. Those comments did possibly cross the abuse line, although I don’t exactly remember the specifics.

    Kittylitter? Got any? At all? Most people remember the basics of being victims of abuse.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:10 pm

    James, has always had problems with specifics … intereres with beliefs …

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:19 pm

    Kittylitter? Got any? At all? Most people remember the basics of being victims of abuse.

    as I do, i remember personal abuse of myself and other commenters right back to tim dunlop’s days, then joni’s and also all of reb’s blogs. you have a long history.

    but i’m not trawling through the years of threads to find them and I’m not sure that I can. Do we have access to reb’s previous blogs?.

    “guttertrash.wordpress.com is no longer available.”

  150. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:23 pm

    You should surely be able to quote one example?

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:27 pm

    Why don’t we just suffice with the memory test, others here have seen and read james comments over the years.

    Anyone else think there has been a history of personal abuse, or do I just imagine it due to gender and sensitivity/subjectivity?

  152. October 10, 2012 7:39 pm

    Snacty and ToSY have a track record in siding themselves with Tony Abbott’s sexism and mysoginy without any shadow of a doubt kittylitter…..

  153. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:40 pm

    Example, TomR? This will be fun.

    You do realise that reb killed the previous site don’t you, which makes it hard to link to comments about you putting me in hospital, or my being a ‘prized dumb fuck’. But I guess you don’t recall them 😉

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:43 pm

    Even Penny Wong is squirming to justify the “misogyny” comment.

    Gillard – “mincing poodle” …”attack dog”

    There certainly is plenty of hypocrisy about.

  155. October 10, 2012 7:46 pm

    “squirming”

    Really? I thought she put her views quite articulately….. But I guess people just see what they want to see…

  156. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:50 pm

    Even Penny Wong is squirming to justify the “misogyny” comment.

    You know the best part yomm. She’s still out there justifying it 😉

    As I said previously, i don’t agree it is the best word to use for tabot, sexist fits best (and dumb), but this is politics in Australia post 2010, words mean what people want them to mean, lots more, or even less.

    The libs and their cheer squad have abused the language for years now, it is just being turned back on them. HTFU

    Mind you, Labor should be careful not overplay their hand, they won’t be granted the same latitude the opposition have received.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:52 pm

    Anyone else think there has been a history of personal abuse, or do I just imagine it due to gender and sensitivity/subjectivity?

    Of course …

    What is frightening in today’s society is that the “modern” generations don’t see their parallels in this … not the violence but the thoughts … as I said yesterday … show me a female pope and I’ll show you human progress … show me a female imam and I’ll show you progress …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/teenage-activist-malala-yousafzai-who-fought-for-child-rights-shot-in-head-on-school-bus-by-taliban/story-fndir2ev-1226492425230

    Some people in Australia would think that she should have minded her own business … comfort zones are usually shaken by (unfortunately) war … the more we ignore evil (in all its forms) the closer we are drawn to war … human beings are generally ignorant … and history repeats …

  158. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:52 pm

    Yeah I’m not after a link, just a memory. I got abused often as a footballer. I can recall many of the specifics.

  159. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:52 pm

    “Snacty and ToSY have a track record in siding themselves with Tony Abbott’s sexism and mysoginy without any shadow of a doubt kittylitter…..”

    You’ve been baiting me for a while now, reb, and I have refused to bite. But I’ve reached my limit. Based on that load of absolute bullshit I’d just like to say: Catch youse all later.

  160. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:54 pm

    Yeah I’m not after a link, just a memory.,/i>

    So, did any of those listed jar yours?

  161. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 7:55 pm

    I got abused often as a footballer

    (GASP!)

    Say it aint so 😯

  162. October 10, 2012 7:59 pm

    “You’ve been baiting me for a while now, reb, and I have refused to bite. But I’ve reached my limit. Based on that load of absolute bullshit I’d just like to say: Catch youse all later.”

    Wow, the sideline sniper actually takes a stand. Glad you made the right decision. See ya!

  163. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:07 pm

    Maybe I should man up and take a stand too, but not over a petty issue like battle of the sexes.

    It’s very tempting to join the right.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:08 pm

    Catch youse all later.

    Wot again? Farnham ToSY …

    Whoo … rebby!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I got abused often as a footballer

    Ma-a-a-a-te, I played footy too but nobody abused me … I only saw the wankers abused … so sorry for you … explains many of your posts … apologies if I misunderstood you …

    … luv to talk more but, The Minister, is crook and I’m cooking … not smellingtoo good at the mo … bugger the smoke alarms just gorn orf!

  165. October 10, 2012 8:08 pm

    So thats Jaws and ToSY gone…

    Next…!!!!

  166. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:19 pm

    Kitty has turned the place into a leftard chat room…joolya’s nouse.

  167. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:23 pm

    Next…!!!!

    snacty?

    Or maybe he’s just out jogging …. his memory 😆

  168. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:37 pm

    Is that what you want?

  169. October 10, 2012 8:43 pm

    Well Snacty, *arguably* “you guys” drove away N5 with your relentless accusations that he offered no views but was just “a sideline sniper.”

    From what I’ve observed, over a period of many months, is that your right-wing mate ToSY, simply does exactly the same thing except from a rusted-on right wing perspective..

    Just sayin’….. 😉

  170. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:46 pm

    Is that what you want?

    I wouldn’t mind you clarifying if your memory has been jogged yet? 😉

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 8:59 pm

    So thats Jaws and ToSY gone…

    Next…!!!!

    LOL! Whoo I love powerful men!

    Have you just discovered the guillotine or somefink?

    Or just that we need to entice a noicer clientele?

    Keep, James, he’s got kid(s)!

    We don’t know if ToSY has … probably not … he’s probably in the Watch (oh shit, Ser Tee … get it … the Black Watch FFS! Cue pipes “n” drums …)

  172. October 10, 2012 9:11 pm

    It seems as though the right-wing nutjobs aren’t coping very well with Julia’s new found gusto..!

    The pissants are dropping like flies…..!!

    Oh how we laughed…!!!!

  173. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:17 pm

    If young Sancty walks I volunteer to be Trash’s right wing troll. I have previous experience, more recently at the Cafe where I got Mobius in knots.

  174. October 10, 2012 9:18 pm

    ” the apparent stupidity of Abbott’s reiterating unwise words ”
    .
    Do you really expect him to utter `wise` words, Dunny.?

  175. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:24 pm

    Abbott on the carbon link to Europe.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/committee-backs-carbon-price-changes/story-fn3dxiwe-1226492712391

    This is the monk trying getting back to policy and away from the gender debate.

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:28 pm

    I rather enjoy Tony’s contribution, he’s hardly a sniper. I think he’s intelligent, witty and valued, as are the following –
    • armchair opinionator
    • HD
    • Even TB
    • Walrus
    • James
    • 7.30
    • EG
    • I don’t mind Tom R and the badgering
    • Splatterbotton, very erudite
    • I really enjoyed Shayne Chester
    • Minipiglo seems oddly funny, and odd
    • N5 was smart, pity they’re not about

    I don’t even object to the sycophantic cloying types who self selected out.

  177. el gordo permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:34 pm

    PC gone mad in a Sydney restaurant?

    ‘The restaurant said the urinals were “a commonly used European design piece from female Dutch artist Meike van Schijnde” but would be removed.

    “We sincerely apologise if they have caused offence. They are being removed today,” a spokeswoman said in a statement.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/restaurants-and-bars/restaurant-removes-misogynist-urinals-20121010-27cvx.html#ixzz28tIm6S9s

  178. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:41 pm

    No I won’t run. But if perhaps, given we can’t find any examples of abuse, simply nominate participants who I should not interact with as they find me so offensive. I’ll start with four….. Kittylitter who finds me misogynistic, Nature who makes many valuable contributions but I just don’t see them, Shayne Chester who’s contributions were identical to pieces written elsewhere purely by coincidence, and of course good old Adrian whose recollections should always be preferred to documented evidence to the contrary.

    If Min returns we can add her, she has much valuable inside info especially when it comes to the influx of asylum seekers being seasonal. Any others?

    Let’s call it a Trashy Intervention Order (TIO).

    Happy to add names….

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:51 pm

    It seems as though the right-wing nutjobs aren’t coping very well with Julia’s new found gusto..!

    FMD! sreb, youv’e discovered your fenimen soide!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Even TB

    I refuse to be a fkn bullet point … I vote Tom of Melbourne OUT!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Seriously (I enjoy most posters’ contributions here – including ToM’s 😉 ) many posters who have dropped in have been intimidated … mostly by the sexist remarks and comments by right wing posters (like it or not Wally was a hard nose – and I’ve done my best with, James … (not you ToSY … but others who “think” you are “with them”) …

    Personally I think some of the “bullying” comments have lost us some very intelligent posters … while sreb has always maintained an “open” forum some of the “robustness” has been “insulting” to others and I include myself in my earlier postings – “age shall not weary them” is very poignant for me … in the physical and metaphysical sense … I once read that the older men get the more ’emotional” they become … I can vouch for that …

    I have had very emotional arguments with the love of my life over “my blog friends” … both are important to me …

  180. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 9:52 pm

    given we can’t find any examples of abuse

    So, you don’t recall those ones I mentioned?

  181. October 10, 2012 10:00 pm

    ” troll. I have previous experience, more recently at the Cafe ”
    .
    CONFIRMED

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:01 pm

    James, (I hope you understand this) … I have a son, now 40, and a son-in-law, now 36 … you know my age … I am firmly convinced that men “mature” (some never – include women too) through their 30’s into their 40’s .. that decade is a massive development … if you think I give you a hard time, it’s because of my background, life and work experience dealing with young Turks … if I didn’t give a $#!t I wouldn’t bother …

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:04 pm

    Forgot!

    No I won’t run.

    Nor should you! My kids (all of ’em kids grandkids, male , female) have been taught to hold there ground and NEVER turn their back …

  184. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:06 pm

    I don’t think you give me a hard time, TB, although your frequent sneering at my study is peculiar, as though i should die of shame for it.

    You shouldn’t bother. You clearly don’t know me and it’s not your place.

  185. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:09 pm

    “But the idea you could re-install someone as Speaker who spends their days frenetically texting about the virtual “maidenhood” of Ashby’s homosexual lovers, or comparing female genitalia to jars of pickled mussels?”

    http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/time-for-all-sides-to-restore-dignity-to-the-role-of-speaker-in-the-federal-parliament/story-e6freai3-1226489790613

    Well you actually could I suppose. If you are this PM

  186. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:12 pm

    Example, TomR? This will be fun.

    snacty’s memory fades 😦

    Must be age 😉

  187. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:12 pm

    “although your frequent sneering at my study is peculiar, as though i should die of shame for it.”

    You need to do a degree at Duntroon.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:17 pm

    You clearly don’t know me and it’s not your place

    And you clearly don’t know me and I won’t bother … simmer in your shallowness, James … my friendship is rarely offered more than once … this is the third time for you …

    … although your frequent sneering at my study is peculiar …

    Only peculiar because of your “peculiar” understanding of the law and its “concepts” and relationships as translated into our society … but your reply told me why …

    Winter is coming!

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:20 pm

    Well you actually could I suppose. If you are this PM

    Gawd the Dicks, keep cumming!

    Then I saw this crap! You need to do a degree at Duntroon.

    Meaning?

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:24 pm

    Kitty has turned the place into a leftard chat room…joolya’s nouse.

    😯

    Proud to be #destroying the joint.

    Haven’t you been proclaiming your ‘old lefty’ credentials? I can’t keep up with your conflicting opinions, one day it’s this, the next it’s the complete opposite.

    No longer straddling the fence? Is this a coming out party? Not that i’ve been fooled or that you haven’t been doing your share of covert and overt sniping for some time already, i’m just tired of ignoring it. Seems julia gillard has brought out the sexist in more than a few, some appear to be traumatised and not coping.

    Let’s look at the current argument as an example. As pointed out above, misogyny means hatred of women. Hatred is an extraordinarily strong term to use in regards to anyone. You use it all the time. It is unnecessary. And unnecessarily aggressive. So for my part I give it back in kind.

    Means hatred of women and more, look at it further.

    Those on the right should stop peddling their politics of hatred and division, it is what the conservative side have been pushing since the days of john howard, and abbott has taken it even further, to the nastiest most vicious politics seen in this nation. Hatred and aggression is the conservatives core political campaign strategy. If you want to support them, that’s your choice.

    As I said before, it seems your ‘unnecessary aggression’ argument is quite subjective, according to how it sits with your political and personal ideology. I can think of numerous times when you have been unnecessarily aggressive in argument just because myself and others think differently to you. I’m not going to change my method of argument to suit your sensitivities, male ego or personality, and don’t try to tell me that this is all about the meaning of misogyny. It is about your style of politics and your acceptance of the aggression and hatred, the political campaign that is being practised by abbott and his crew. It has been gendered from day one and it is ugly, personal and offensive to women.

    If you think what I have said is aggressive, you have no idea about women and how they feel about the sexism that they face on a daily basis and the tacit acceptance of a nationalised misogyny.

  191. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:25 pm

    And as we drift off to slumber, we ponder the big questions.

    Will snacty recall those examples of abuse I mentioned, or will he deny them, lost now in the bowels of the wordpress databases?

    Or will he just ignore it after calling me out for it?

  192. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:28 pm

    Spare me the victimhood, Kittylitter.

  193. October 10, 2012 10:31 pm

    Australia`s Parliament went Viral Today
    Was it for some great plan to nation-build, reduce poverty, improve the place for everyone, remove `free-trade` bullshit that puts Aussie workers competing with 10cents/hour Asian Slave Labor Wages, the same `free-trade` bullshit that unregulated foreign companies gain advantage over local business by getting around Laws on environment, safety and duty of care of various types.?
    .
    No, none of that.
    Just a sledging match as we could see in any kindergarten.

  194. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:33 pm

    Proud to be #destroying the joint

    Viva La Revolution 🙂

  195. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2012 10:37 pm

    snacty ❓

  196. October 10, 2012 10:46 pm

    Washington Republicans Cheer
    As Australian`s sledging match in Parliament went World-Wide today, there was great relief felt by Karl Rove and his strategy team. Tea-Bag philosophy is now unstoppable, as the worlds most difficult market, the Australian Parliament, has been cracked wide open. There is now nowhere in the world safe from Tea-Bag philosophy, where all rules of intelligent debate can be reduced to the nonsense usually reserved for right wing commentators.

  197. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:21 pm

    Here you go Mr Tom R I thought I should assist

    You should be able to find all those old references to violence here by another by using this.
    I’m sure you don’t like to keep anyone waiting. So get to it

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_machine

  198. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:24 pm

    So why did Chris Bowen let a convicted rapist into the country in the shape of the grotesque Mike Tyson

    Ultimate misogynist mixes with ultimate hypocrisy

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2012 11:43 pm

    Spare me the victimhood, Kittylitter.

    Spare us all the arrogance of ignorance then, James …

    FMD! Wally and ToSY, go Farnham and we end up with another wanker with numbers … sniping from the side … asking stupid questions … can’t be Wally’s psuedonym he didn’t use links … but then the link’s fkn useless anyway … grammar’s questionable too … isn’t it?????????????????????????????????????

  200. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 6:36 am

    Here you go Mr Tom R I thought I should assist

    Why don’t we wait until snactys memory gets joged a bit first 😉

    Gotta admit, you are sounding more and more like paws every time you post?

  201. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 8:21 am

    TomR I think those comments were in the context of you accusing me of being some sort of pervert, I never threatened you I said that kind of accusation made in person was the type that would have you in hospital. I might remind you also that about that time you were also cheering on a bloke who was most certainly being threatening and abusive. As was “victim” Kittylitter for that matter.

  202. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 8:46 am

    of you accusing me of being some sort of pervert

    For starters, I never accused you of anything, you simply didn’t understand English, and interpreted a harmless remark to mean something else. Secondly, no, the ‘prized dumb fuck’ abuse was just you losing the plot, and letting loose with the best argument you could handle.

    But you do recall that you have in fact been abusive. Nice to hear.

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 11, 2012 8:58 am

    This is certainly a tale of two narratives.

    The Jezebel crowd and their ilk – butt-fingering masturbators of a leftist persuasion – are beside themselves with joy, as are the Australian media toadies gleefully spruiking Gillard’s international notice in such an august American publication. Apparently the pinnacle of prime-ministerial perfection is to ascend to the status of “badass motherfucker”.
    The idiot end of the leftist spectrum celebrated the PM’s infantile rant, whooping it up, hooting and hollering in an orgy of self-congratulatory bliss, strap-ons out, facials all round, they lapped up the PM’s righteous anger (among other things).

    Meanwhile those with the capacity for thought and analysis, including journalists with an independent (not to say leftist) cast of mind, people like Hartcher, Albereci and Sales saw the speech in context. Here was a PM faced with a choice to support or oppose a Speaker of the House revealed through his own words as a rancid misogynist. The PM’s reaction was to support this rotten compromised individual and to do so by making a vicious personal attack on her political opponent. Not only that, the basis of her attack was Abbott’s alleged sexism. She flaunted her stinking hypocrisy in the most flagrant manner imaginable.

    Unable to commend her for taking a principled position, the idiocracy celebrated her gangsta cred – a badass motherfucker indeed. Meanwhile back in the real world Hartcher observed:

    JULIA GILLARD confronted a stark choice yesterday – the political defence of her parliamentary numbers, or the defence of the principle of respect for women.

    She chose to defend her numbers. She chose power over principle. It was the wrong choice. It was an unprincipled decision and it turned out not to be pragmatic either. The Prime Minister gained nothing and lost a great deal…

    The moment Gillard rose to defend Slipper and keep him in office, she chose to defend the indefensible, to excuse the inexcusable.

    This is an accurate and clear-headed analysis of what happened and this is what independent observers will take from this. Even the Jezebel crowd may, when their hangover clears, when the love-juice is wiped from their faces, their fingers extracted from their butts and the strap-ons put away, come to understand that this is just another example of Gillard choosing power over principle. They may even see Gillard’s rant for what it is – another example of the only card she has left to play – the vindictive personal attack, the character assassination of her opponent.

  204. October 11, 2012 9:09 am

    S-Bum .. both Leaders made arse-holes of themselves, just in different ways. .. When the embedded media and rusted-on over-come their intoxication, they will realize the Parliament was made a joke of internationally.

  205. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:20 am

    They will indeed 7.30. They will see a leader of the opposition moving to remove from the Speakership a rancid loathsome sexist. They will see a PM voting to keep this abhorrent misogynist in his position. And, incredibly, they will see her using the occasion to vilify her opponent as a sexist even as she votes to support an egregious sexist. Do you see any logic in her position at all, other than the Machiavellian calculus of power?

  206. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:21 am

    they will realize the Parliament was made a joke of internationally.

    It would have been more of a joke if labor and the independents had actually supported the motion, as tabot, in his eagerness to score, overplayed again.

    Perhaps Abbott should have moved a vote of no confidence before trying to just sack Slipper, because the manner in which he did move his motion was actually an abuse of process, irrespective of any court case. The Parliament cannot just vote to sack someone, they need to go through a process first.

    http://dragonistasblog.com/2012/10/10/this-time-the-msm-got-it-right/

    She should have updated her post to read ‘the media fucked up again’ 😉

  207. October 11, 2012 9:32 am

    Did you bother to read my comments on Dragonistas post Tom-R, all the noise is just `gotcha` smart-arsery, not National Business.

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:32 am

    What process? The Speaker is elected by vote of the House and can be removed by vote of the House.

  209. October 11, 2012 9:37 am

    According to Oakshot on LatelineLand, he and Windsor were talking Slipper into resigning while Joolya and Mr-Rabbit were screeching abuse at each other. .. I tend to believe Oakshot. .. Windsor and Oakshot convinced Slipper to go. .. Not the Duopoly. .. Sorry Rusted-on`s.

  210. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:39 am

    all the noise is just `gotcha` smart-arsery, not National Business.

    I don’t disagree with that 730, but Labor didn’t pull the motion stunt, tabot did. From what the Paulat dragonistas says, the motion didn’t call for a vote of no-confidence, it called for a sacking. It was an abuse of procedure. They should have called for a vote of no confidence, which a lot of papers are claiming they did, but reading the linked motion there there is no mention of it, just a sacking. It was like a posse.

    I suppose, every time the opposition brings the debate to the lowest levels, Labor should just roll over, like they have done so many times previously. That has proven to be a useless tactic, as the libs have shown that they will just sink lower. Gillard fired back with a speech lauded worldwide (Australia the exception), and all of a sudden they are just as bad to our local tabot cheer squad

    Sorry, I just don’t agree with that.

  211. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:41 am

    Windsor and Oakshot convinced Slipper to go. .. Not the Duopoly

    I’d tend to agree with that 730. Gillard was lucky he did. I also think that would have been her preferred option. It would have been interesting what response Labor would have taken had the processes been followed appropriately?

  212. October 11, 2012 9:48 am

    Yes fans of the duopoly, after Joolya and Mr-Rabbit screeched at each other, they voted together to cut pensions. Not their own salaries which range from 170K$ to Joolyas 470K$

  213. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:54 am

    Do you havea link to where Gillard ‘screeched’?

    In the video above she is rightfully indignant, but hardly ‘screeching’. That is usually best left for pyne to do

  214. October 11, 2012 9:55 am

    Oh okay Tom-R, sorry I didn`t include `incompetence` along with `gotcha` smart-arsery by the duopoly

  215. October 11, 2012 10:02 am

    link to where Gillard ‘screeched’?
    .
    you Lot have been dribbling about this QT video, surely you`ve seen it, I watched QT on the Telly.

  216. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 10:06 am

    read my above comment 730

  217. October 11, 2012 10:12 am

    I don`t have video/audio in my computer Tom-R, I assume when you ask for a Link you mean it.

  218. October 11, 2012 10:17 am

    I don’t recall Julia screeching, she may have raised her voice when the opposition rabble were heckling, but she was nowhere near as hysterical than Abbott who preceded her.

  219. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 10:18 am

    I’m saying that, while she was rightfully indignant in the 15 minute speech, labeling it as a ‘screech’ is long bow, especially when she is up against the likes of pyne

  220. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 10:21 am

    I totally agree with this sentiment

    https://twitter.com/mischa76/status/256141741416128512

  221. October 11, 2012 10:25 am

    Lot of `identical` views here .. Do I smell coffee.?

  222. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 10:32 am

    Lot of `identical` views here

    Perhaps I should disagree with reb (and the rest of the worlds media) in order to share your view

    Oh…wait 😯

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 10:32 am

    I don`t have video/audio in my computer Tom-R

    WoW! The ABC really does need to upgrade its equipment! 😯

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The “screech” is another Liberal label (’tis all over the interwebby) … and in fact could be seen as sexist …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see, sp, still doesn’t “get it” either … cringeworthy prose doth not make the argument purer … (obviously a Larry Pickering fan …)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Abbott fucked up again … I see … not having a good run the LibNits … if screeching is the current Liberal label it applies to the wing nuts more than the PM … love to see a poll right now!

    http://www.news.com.au/money/cost-of-living/tactics-turn-on-electricity-bills/story-fnagkbpv-1226493348601

    Winter is coming!

  224. October 11, 2012 10:47 am

    video/audio removed to reduce webpage advertising bloat,
    makes webpage Load faster and my ABC has a no-advert policy.
    ===
    The femistas have already claimed `shriek` as sexist according to Limited-News, Fairfox and my ABC feministas. They cannot claim `screech`, that`s why I use it. I only ever use `shriek` directed at myself, check my blog.

  225. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:23 am

    ‘Haven’t you been proclaiming your ‘old lefty’ credentials?’

    Does shaking hands with Jim Spigelman at a Whitlam rally count for anything?

    ‘I can’t keep up with your conflicting opinions, one day it’s this, the next it’s the complete opposite.’

    At the cafe Mobius accused me of much the same thing, he said I blew hot and cold on CC.

    Its not easy sitting on the fence, but thankfully only the vile left take exception to my neutrality.

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:29 am

    I don’t know whether Gillard “screeched”.

    It was more of a rant, and one which again demonstrated her lack of comprehension of the language. Someone needs to buy her a dictionary, with pronunciation guide.

    Remember her “hiperbowl” pronunciation of hyperbole. She uses hyperbole nonstop, she’s hooked on it, but she can’t even pronounce it.

    We have a down market Prime Minister, and it doesn’t matter a scrap that she happens to be female.

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:31 am

    …and is it reasonable to now hold Gillard to account for her characterisation of married women as prostitutes?

    She was about 25 at the time that she endorsed the view.

  228. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:31 am

    ‘…and it doesn’t matter a scrap that she happens to be female.’

    Hear hear…

  229. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:33 am

    She was about 25 at the time that she endorsed the view.

    What exactly was that view yomm?

    Hope you aren’t going on akers for your ‘facts’

  230. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:33 am

    The PM is a bogan.

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:37 am

    slipping orf the fence a bit, egg?

  232. October 11, 2012 11:38 am

    We have a down market Prime Minister, and it doesn’t matter a scrap that she happens to be female. We have a down market Opposition Leader, and it doesn’t matter a scrap that he`s not. We have a down market embedded-media, and they don’t matter a scrap.

  233. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:40 am

    We have a down market Prime Minister

    Who just put herself on the map globally for standing up for herself. Proudly

  234. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:41 am

    “is it reasonable to now hold Gillard to account for her characterisation of married women as prostitutes?”

    Probably not, but her subsequent actions indicate her continued support for this view, particularly the way she tried to liberate wife/prostitutes from their marital chains by sleeping with their husbands!

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:42 am

    No, I followed up Ackerman’s comment.

    When Gillard as President of the Australian Union of Students it adopted a policy that included a definition of prostitution.

    This included something along the lines of “prostitution includes marrying and having sex in exchange for love, security, money…”

    This was apparently reported in The Australian at the time, in 1984.

    I might get around to finding some more details later, but if Abbott’s behaviour as a teenager just out of school is a legitimate issue of political debate, I don’t imagine that anyone will object to careful examination of the extreme views Gillard expressed during her mid 20s and beyond.

  236. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:46 am

    This takes it a little further. Note the word ‘forced’

  237. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:51 am

    “Who just put herself on the map globally for standing up for herself. Proudly”

    But they dont get to vote.

    Besides with her obsession with using sexism as a shield for all her shortcomings and Abbotts inability to even get a power bill right I believe we are in the long run not only stuck with poor leadership but dreadfully bad politicians

    We are truly fucked whichever way we turn

  238. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:58 am

    Besides with her obsession with using sexism as a shield for all her shortcomings

    You also haven’t seen the speech then have you, as she is not using tabots sexists comments as a shield, she is using tabots sexist comments as evidence of his sexism.

    I mean, to claim that a PM who took on the mantle of a lie that wasn’t even a lie in order to try and progress debate as someone who uses a shield. Sorry, not buying that one.

  239. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:00 pm

    ‘We are truly fucked whichever way we turn.’

    Let’s not despair, it might still come good, but I’m astonished that Nooze went to so much trouble to get the monk a boost in the polls and he continues putting foot in mouth.

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:07 pm

    “Besides with her obsession with using sexism as a shield for all her shortcomings and Abbott’s inability to even get a power bill right I believe we are in the long run not only stuck with poor leadership but dreadfully bad politicians.

    We are truly fucked whichever way we turn.

    True that.

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:14 pm

    Use of force makes it a little more serious than prostitution. If force is involved, it’s assault.

    The material I saw didn’t refer to ‘force”.

  242. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:16 pm

    The material I saw didn’t refer to ‘force”.

    It does change the context a lot though, that little word, doesn’t it 😉

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:24 pm

    If it involves force, and the material I saw didn’t asy that, I’m surprised that it was characterised as “prostitution”. Force is sexual assualt, so why didn’t Gillard say that ‘forced sex’ in or out of marriage is rape?

  244. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:32 pm

    and the material I saw didn’t asy that

    Let me guess, a quote from bolt or the like, cherry picking to the extreme as usual. Without seeing the actual document, I guess we just go on akermans claim 😆

  245. October 11, 2012 12:33 pm

    This whole state of perpetual outrage is getting fkn ridiculous. I can barely stand paying attention to what any of the elected misfits are up to these days.

    It’s all just tragic political theatre. None of them are actually as mortified or offended as they act.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/offensive-joke-about-opposition-leader-tony-abbotts-female-chief-of-staff-peta-credlin/story-fndo4bst-1226493508206

  246. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:35 pm

    The AUS declared 1983 to be the International Year of the Lesbian.

    It also adopted a policy on prostitution which said, in part:

    “Prostitution takes many forms and is not only the exchange of money for sex. … Prostitution in marriage is the transaction of sex in return for love, security and house-keeping.”

    (Quoted by Helen Trinca, The Australian, April 6, 1984, p.7).

  247. October 11, 2012 12:35 pm

    The only recent comment worth taking umbrage over was about a recently deceased father. Most decent people wouldn’t take too kindly to having their dead parent drawn into political chicanery.

    The rest is just ridiculous, hyperbolic pointscoring.

    Pathetic.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:44 pm

    Maybe, winter is here, Ser Tee …

    … in fact I’m beginning to get as fed up with boorish comments as I am with incompetent politicians AND public servants!

    Some 1984 uni rag crap comment, probably devised by a committe, anyway simply doesn’t compare to the Opposition Leader not being able to read an electricity bill in October, 2012! FFS!

    The former is a personal attack … the latter a genuine problem with the Wannabe in Waiting … 🙄

  249. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 12:44 pm

    The interesting piece form that quote is ‘. … ‘ 2dt

    As is usual, it is what is left out that is usually the pertinent bit

  250. October 11, 2012 1:10 pm

    ” the elected misfits are up to these days. ” &
    ” It’s all just tragic political theatre. ”
    .
    Some good news for you Dunny.
    1. Windsor and Oakshott actually worked for us,
    convincing Slipper to go. &
    2. The other Independents & Greens didn`t make arse-holes of of themselves, they left that to the screeching Leaders of the Duopoly.

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 1:20 pm

    ALP vs Liberals
    Gillard vs Abbott
    Coles vs Woolworths
    Commodore vs Falcon
    Carlton vs Collingwood
    Westpac vs NAB

    Competition to really excite us.

  252. October 11, 2012 1:24 pm

    Kurt Tippett Vs AFC

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 1:29 pm

    Competition to really excite us.

    Speak for yourself, sunshine! 🙄

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 11, 2012 1:43 pm

    As was “victim” Kittylitter for that matter.

    get over yourself ‘bully’ james

    Splatterbottom PERMALINK
    October 11, 2012 8:58 am

    I can only LOL at the pure bias in that comment and the way SB has managed to turn the aggressor into the victim, I almost cried for him myself!
    Perhaps the subtle dog whistles became too overt, too impatient to land the knockout blow? Or just too confident that the election was in the bag and that he could do no wrong.

    Probably not, but her subsequent actions indicate her continued support for this view, particularly the way she tried to liberate wife/prostitutes from their marital chains by sleeping with their husbands!

    Nothing like the wowsers, moralisers and bedroom voyeurs to come to the fore. Usually reserved for the religious who expect everybody to obey their set rules, even those who don’t adhere to their fairy stories. Of course in the land of male make believe, everything is the fault of women, isn’t that why they wrote the tales and declared themselves the boss?

    Do the straying men, the ones who have actually taken a [supposedly sacred] marriage vow with their long suffering wives have any blame apportioned to them for their adultery and betrayal of their wives? Or does that not suit your purpose of slut shaming/blaming? Double standards don’t wash anymore either. Is julia such a femme fatale that no man is safe from her womanly wiles? 🙂

    and Abbotts inability to even get a power bill right

    Abbott’s outright lying in parliament. Not that anyone would want to make it an issue by calling him the liar that he is or anything.

  255. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 1:43 pm

    Its a bipolar world…viva le difference!

  256. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 1:47 pm

    ‘Not that anyone would want to make it an issue by calling him the liar that he is or anything.’

    He’s not going out of his way to lie, its his incompetent staff. I’m informed by Nooze they are mostly women.

  257. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 11, 2012 1:55 pm

    This is an accurate and clear-headed analysis of what happened and this is what independent observers will take from this.

    😆

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4305220.html

    …As an audience, we are no longer dependent on the mainstream media to interpret and explain important events to us…

    As anyone who has a Twitter account or a Facebook page has noticed, the media’s interpretation of the Alan Jones’ affair, or more especially, their interpretation of the Prime Minister’s speech in Parliament about Mr Abbott’s sexism, is rejected outright by many people…

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:01 pm

    He’s not going out of his way to lie, its his incompetent staff. I’m informed by Nooze they are mostly women.

    But he’s their boss and he’s the one presenting the evidence, most people do a basic check before they allow themselves to look like an idiot in the public arena. Lazy work from abbott, less camera and fluoro vest, less sports training, less devious plotting and more applying of self to job!

  259. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:06 pm

    ‘Lazy work from abbott’

    It does appear so.

  260. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:06 pm

    The bottom line is this: we no longer trust the media to tell us the story of our lives. We no longer have to settle for the narrative they impose on events.

    Tim gets it AO, and also is able to convey it nicely.

    Is it OK for me to say ‘I told ya so’ 🙂

  261. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:15 pm

    ‘Lazy work from abbott’

    ‘Lazy’ doesn’t begin…..

  262. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:15 pm

    ‘This reinvention of the audience as media critic and content shaper causes angst in the journosphere, and much of their reaction to this new dispensation is the reaction of an industry who have not only had their authority and prestige stripped from them, but of one that is struggling to find relevance in a scary new environment that threatens their very livelihood.’

    Tim Dunlop

    Noice and accurate.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:24 pm

    Is it OK for me to say ‘I told ya so’

    Sure is tomr, a people’s revolution is in the air, establishment getting the shake-up it deserves.

    I’ve been waiting on it for such a long time, thought we’d be taking to the streets when enough was finally enough, but looks like it’s through the streets of social media.

    vive la revolution!

    vive le parlement sans majorité!

  264. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:40 pm

    A non violent revolution in western industrialised countries might be expected, if the disparities in wealth become obscene.

    The Arab Spring was a clear indication of what is possible through social media, but there is still the need for charismatic leaders to guide the revolution.

  265. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:41 pm

    vive le parlement sans majorité!

    I’m not sure if that kind of language is called for 😉

  266. Tom R permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:44 pm

    but there is still the need for charismatic leaders to guide the revolution.

    I wonder where we could find such a leader? A leader who, in 15 short minutes, ignites an impassioned speech the rest of the world look to and wish their leaders could replicate.

    Where oh where to find such a one?

    😯

    😆

  267. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:51 pm

    lol Tom touche

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:56 pm

    A non violent revolution in western industrialised countries might be expected, if the disparities in wealth become obscene.

    Yes, expect it if the conservative approach to economics ‘taxcuts for the wealthy but austerity for everyone else’ and it’s corresponding rise in unemployment becomes too much for families to bear.

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 2:58 pm

    Yeah right…

    ”Oid loik ta toik tha obbajuniddy ta getyez oil ta follame ta tha birrkiods

    Finally an inspirational bogan.

  270. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 3:05 pm

    That’s funny ToM…oddly enough it might just be what the world’s poor and downtrodden need in a leader…a working class slang.

  271. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 5:55 pm

    Bishop on Joolya.

    ‘The Liberal frontbencher said the prime minister’s speech had been “pathetic”.

    “Could you imagine (German chancellor) Angela Merkel making a speech like that, or Maggie Thatcher making a speech like that?” she said.

    “Of course not. The fact of the matter is if you take leadership you must exercise leadership and if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/bishop-labels-gillard-speech-pathetic-20121011-27fab.html#ixzz28yGZwPx7

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 6:20 pm

    So Swan stayed at the CFMEU dinner following some, deliberately offensive, hurtful and distasteful jokes.

    But ALP barrackers condemned the Liberals for staying at a function following Jones’ remarks.

    Political standards are funny, so are the weasel words of Swan etc.

  273. October 11, 2012 6:39 pm

    ‘The Liberal frontbencher said the prime minister’s speech had been “pathetic”.

    How unsurprisement.

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 7:27 pm

    Do keep up ToM … or are we just being our usual one-eyed self … this story has been sitting on news.com.au since 12:38pm …

    A COMEDIAN’S off-colour remarks about Tony Abbott and his female chief of staff has led to a rebuke of a major union from Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
    The joke at a CFMEU dinner last night was unacceptable, the Prime Minister said today.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/gillard-slams-deeply-offensive-peta-credlin-joke/story-fndo4eg9-1226493567346

    Abbott took two days to say “something” 🙄 and then repeated the same phrase a couple of days ago … in Parliament …

    Political standards are funny, so are the weasel words of Swan etc.

    Your posts aren’t funny … just Liberal wheelbarra pushing …

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 7:29 pm

    My only concerns now that we go back to political correctness of the Keating government … and that the PM isn’t seen as the feminist marshall …

  276. October 11, 2012 7:35 pm

    Is it such a bad thing that we have now entered a new era of political correctness….?

  277. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 11, 2012 7:39 pm

    It is not political correctness per se. It is political correctness in the sense that correctness is required when it suits your politics. When it comes to maintaining your numbers even the most vile sexist can be speaker, apparently.

  278. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 7:41 pm

    ‘a new era of political correctness….?’

    No thanks.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 7:52 pm

    What’s, sp, burbling about now?

    Tony Abbott has been happy to seek the vote of the “most vile sexist speaker” AFTER his resignation … I really do get pissed off with LibNit’s double standards around here …

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:28 pm

    Wot’s happened ‘ere? Have you all gone to bed ’cause of daylight saving? LOL! 😛

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:39 pm

    Well I’m just back from a nice meal with a decent red!

    Wow TB, the Pm has commented on the CFMEU joke!!! Swan has made some mealy mouthed remark too. That’s all nice then.

    But I seem to recalled that MPs were condemned for not walking out of the function following Jones’ poor taste comment.

    However Swan didn’t walk out!! He remained as a guest of honour, he made a speech afterwards!! Did he condemn the joke in his speech? Did he clearly disassociate himself from it? Did he take the opportunity during his speech to say that misogynist and bad taste humour has no place in politics?
    Or during the joke, did he just remain seated next to the union hacks, being all jolly along and knocking back the Crown Larger with them?

    Swan is a hopeless dill, he has again demonstrated his complete incompatibility with the role of Deputy Prime Minister.
    ——————————-
    Is everyone signing up for a petition to boycott anything associated with the CFMEU, eg the ALP?

  282. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:50 pm

    ‘Wot’s happened ‘ere?’

    I miss Wally’s wit and ToSY’s quiet intellect…this is for them in absentia.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/business/global/chinese-company-sets-new-rhythm-in-port-of-piraeus.html?_r=1&hp

  283. el gordo permalink
    October 11, 2012 9:52 pm

    Here’s a quote from that link.

    ‘Captain Fu, for his part, says Greece has much to learn from companies like his.

    “The Chinese want to make money with work,” he said. In his view, too many Europeans have pursued a comfortable, protected existence since the end of World War II. “They wanted a good life, more holidays and less work,” he said. “And they spent money before they had it. Now they have many debts.”

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2012 11:36 pm

    You really are becoming a broken record, ToM … and shrill to boot … a bad time for LibNits this week, methinks …

    BTW, its difficult for a guest of honour to walk out – but you’ve probably never been a GoH, so you wouldn’t understand …

    … SOMEONE told the PM about the distasteful “joke” and it was actioned quickly …

    … Alan Jones’ distasteful remarks weren’t known about for a fkn WEEK and Abbott floundered with his lack of morals for two days AFTER … and you get all screechy and precious about the CFMEU because its the CFMEU …

    … a joke, (however distasteful), is not usually aimed at a particular person … Alan Jones’ sick remarks were …

    … if you got off yer fkn high “moral” horse you might see what ordinary folks see … I can recommend Specsavers … their glasses have two lenses … objectivity and reasonableness …

    Winter is coming!

  285. October 12, 2012 12:21 am

    Dear Armchair, Nice Dunlop Link.
    It was good to see Dunlop go with meat and potatoes from start to finish, rather than waffle for 2/3rds of his post like he usually does.
    .
    It was good to see he included the `pension-cuts` and didn`t just resort to the defending/cheer-Leading of the duopoly noise the rest of the embedded media peddled.
    .
    It was also good that Dunlop says the embedded media should be listening to what is going on and follow details and audience reaction, and stop trying to Lead the news like know-it-alls.
    .
    I am also pleased Dunlop provided credit and Links to citizen blogs he Lurks at from time to time. You won`t see that from Limited-News.
    .
    The minor downside for Dunlop is when he says
    ” we all know there are ratbags online, ”
    he failed to finish with
    most being the embedded media

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2012 1:42 am

    most being the embedded media

    lol

    BTW, its difficult for a guest of honour to walk out …

    yes it is, perhaps he should’ve thought quicker and said he didn’t hear it 😉

    He remained as a guest of honour, he made a speech afterwards!! Did he condemn the joke in his speech? Did he clearly disassociate himself from it?

    I think swan should have condemned it right at the start of his speech and given a warning that unions should expect to be under the opposition microscope for a gotcha moment [as if they aren’t already]. I know labor wasn’t behind the jones insult becoming public but labor made the most of it which was a mistake IMO, they should have left it to the media to make a sideshow of it. Of course the libs would be desperate to grab a gotcha.

    Gillard did the right thing and condemned it immediately by phone to the CFMEU, pretty sure it wouldn’t have been polite, would guess it went much like her speech to abbott the other day, only more sweary!

    I’d like to know what the abbott/credlin joke was, anyone know?

  287. October 12, 2012 2:35 am

    ” what the abbott/credlin ”
    .
    Rumor, (not-online) in short, they have been shagging.
    Rumor, Canberra Press Gallery knows this.
    Rumor, WA + SA Libs know too.
    Its a friend of a a friend of a friend of a friend thing.
    I HAVE NO HARD EVIDENCE AND I DOUBT THIS.

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 8:44 am

    a joke, (however distasteful), is not usually aimed at a particular person

    Apologies to ToM, the “joke” (that none of us actually know the contents of) was aimed at particular people in this case …

    I see that Wayne Swan has admitted that he should have said something at the time … however I know from my own public speaking experience that he would have been concentrating on his own speech …

    ============================

    I think swan should have condemned it right at the start of his speech and given a warning that unions should expect to be under the opposition microscope for a gotcha moment [as if they aren’t already].

    Absolutely, KL … these boofs in parliament wouldn’t last two days in business …

    they should have left it to the media to make a sideshow of it.

    Yes, I agree – after all it was the news media that broke the story … I guess it was a golden opportunity to fight fire with fire … now’s the time to leave it alone though …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    (“I HAVE NO HARD EVIDENCE AND I DOUBT THIS”) … LOL!

    Should tell ya, o37, most of us here, met while posting on Tim Dunlop’s, Blogocracy, just thought you should be included in the info loop … 😉

  289. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 12, 2012 8:46 am

    “What’s, sp, burbling about now?
    Tony Abbott has been happy to seek the vote of the “most vile sexist speaker” AFTER his resignation … I really do get pissed off with LibNit’s double standards around here …”

    Of course you are right again TB. AbbottAbbottAbbott is the complete answer to any criticism of the government. In fact if anyone criticises the ALP instead of ranting about AbbottAbbottAbbott they are unthinking morons and deserve to be called LibNits. My apologies sir.

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 9:12 am

    Apology accepted, ser … 😉

    My concern is that Abbott will be a far more destructive force for Australia than any person in politics … I actually prefer Turnbull as PM … and when I last checked he was not a member of the ALP …

    If two people wallow in the shit (Abbott/Gillard) then they are BOTH covered in it … not just one.

    … I think I should explain, sp, … as a long time ALP “supporter” that doesn’t mean I follow blindly … anyone who knows me in the real world knows I have a mind of my own and refuse to be “controlled” … I have a deep suspicion of anything out of Canberra … my compulsory incarceration in green clothing for two years by the Federal government, saw to that!

    … for many years now I have criticised stupid decisons by governments of BOTH political persuasions … but the pettiness and bitterness of politics these days has over-ridden the real issues … unfortunately these days the choice is the best of the worst …

    As Tim Dunlop highlights in the link provided by, KL … the real issue this week has been the reduction in welfare assistance to single mothers by a government supposedly dedicated to assisting the weak and defenceless …

    A pox on BOTH their houses for passing the Bill …

  291. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 9:28 am

    Once the youngest reaches eight years the adult should be encouraged to find work, for their own good. Let’s not forget the Greek experience.

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 12, 2012 9:51 am

    Prominent LibNit Graham Richardson:

    The hypocrisy of defending Slipper while attacking Abbott for not respecting women is breathtaking. Abbott should be criticised for standing in front of signs calling the PM “Brown’s bitch”, but that in no way alters the words of Slipper’s texts……

    The PM seems to believe that the best way to protect herself from sunburn is to cover herself in excrement. It may stop the burn, but the smell is permeating every corner of our land. There can be no excuse for the long list of serious errors of judgment. When the crunch comes, she is just not good enough for the office she holds.

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2012 9:56 am

    So where’s the campaign to boycott the CFMEU and those they sponsor (ie the ALP)?

    When it comes to a combination of thuggish sexism and politics, the CFMEU (construction div) is way in front of the pack.

    When faced with a judgment call, Swan failed. He’s only any good when he’s got his ranting speaking notes organised.
    —————————
    TB, I’ve been to a dozen of those types of union sponsored functions, where a prominent ALP politician is the guest speaker. They don’t spend their time polishing their speech, they spend it gladhanding the union hacks, laughing at their jokes, playing along with the boys club, knocking back a Crown Larger or a cheap red.

    This is the pattern of Swan more than any other politician.

  294. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 12, 2012 10:30 am

    So what possessed Craig (I didnt do it) Thomson to stick his ugly head up over the parapet yesterday just because he received a letter by mistake.

    I bet his Labor mates groaned when they were reminded of his continued presence amongst them.

    A timely reminder to the electorate of more exciting days ahead in the Thomson saga.

    Craig Thomson

    Australia’s horizontal and nocturnal version of Lance Armstrong (I didnt do it)

  295. October 12, 2012 10:49 am

    “So where’s the campaign to boycott the CFMEU and those they sponsor (ie the ALP)?”

    you could always start one Tom… 😉

    http://www.change.org/en-AU

  296. October 12, 2012 10:52 am

    “So what possessed Craig (I didnt do it) Thomson to stick his ugly head up over the parapet yesterday just because he received a letter by mistake.”

    Yes, that left me gobsmacked too 2DT…

    It was like; “I meant to be a cnut, everyone knows that I am, and yet the opposition’s sending me invitations in the mail, how stupid are they for forgetting that I’m a cnut?”

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 12, 2012 11:03 am

    TB: “My concern is that Abbott will be a far more destructive force for Australia than any person in politics”

    You could be right. He certainly doesn’t appear to be much of an improvement. But this government has been so disgustingly bad, so mired in its own shit, it needs to go. What sent me over the top on this was the recent attacks on Abbott’s conduct at uni. They ahd no credibiltiy and no substance. All it showed is that the Gillard government has no arguments left. Its only tactic now is character assassination. it will be a sad day indeed if they are rewarded for their vicious destructive tactics.

    Turnbull is more presentable and more favoured by Labor supporters precisely because he is deep down a Labor man. He shares many of the concerns of the wealthy inner city intelligentsia he represents. He wanted to join Labor, but was rebuffed. Having seen what happened to Rudd, he would have been foolish to join Labor without strong factional support.

  298. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 11:15 am

    Splatter is correct about Talcum Lite, but after the gretch affair and his hopeless position on CC…he’s not in the running unless he recants.

  299. October 12, 2012 11:15 am

    Bingo! TB got it.
    While the rest mocked me about `screeching` I was telling you guys the screeching, and feminism defending was not the real news of the day. Yes, Joolya spouted defending feminism, meanwhile they were cutting single mothers welfare. Hoo-bloody-ray. Somebody finally worked something out.
    Very Well Done Mr TB

  300. October 12, 2012 11:22 am

    TB .. ” Should tell ya, o37, most of us here, met while posting on Tim Dunlop’s, Blogocracy, just thought you should ”
    .
    1. I guess I just made a big arse-hole of myself
    2. TDs blogocracy still `Live` ? url.?

  301. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2012 11:47 am

    I was telling you guys the screeching, and feminism defending was not the real news of the day.

    Just thought I would correct this. The real ‘events’ of the day was Labors shocking decision to attack single mothers. This, however, does not reflect the ‘news’ of the day.

    The ‘news’ is what the leeches in the ivory towers want to focus their limited minds to. policy aint it. Hasn’t been for a long time now, which has been complained about in the blogosphere for a long time. I note that the opposition were crying foul about this after tabots humiliation. After 2 years of discussing anything BUT policy, the hypocrisy was breathtaking.

    But on the actual policy, sorry, although I support the need for single mothers to get back to work, a stick with no carrot isn’t the solution. We need more carrot before even thinking of the stick.

  302. October 12, 2012 11:53 am

    Final post by Tim Dunlop on Friday, September 26, 2008

  303. October 12, 2012 12:18 pm

    The ‘news’ is what the leeches in the ivory towers want to focus their limited minds to. policy aint it. Hasn’t been for a long time now, which has been complained about in the blogosphere for a long time. ”
    .
    Yes. Very well said Tom-R and I fully agree.
    ‘News’ is having less and less to do with information, data, facts or truth. I am one of those bloggers that screech about this and really should have worded that better.

  304. Tom R permalink
    October 12, 2012 12:24 pm

    and really should have worded that better.

    Nah, don’t give in to the pedants 😉

  305. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 12:48 pm

    Gee, that last post of TD’s brings back some memories ….

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 1:08 pm

    307

    1. Nah, having an opinion doesn’t make you an arsehole … just look at, sp … 😆 (*sarc alert, sp)

    2. Who’s Blogocracy? (Obviously a wordpress “site” owner or someone with access)

  307. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2012 1:12 pm

    So where’s the campaign to boycott the CFMEU and those they sponsor (ie the ALP)?

    Did anyone boycott the liberal party after the jones incident?

    What sent me over the top on this was the recent attacks on Abbott’s conduct at uni.

    While those of us, particularly women, welcomed the abbott historical. We thought finally, it’s about time people are looking at the person abbott was, and still is, something we always knew about him. Why should he attack gillard on past character and not expect to be scrutinised himself? So many were fed up with abbott’s ongoing character assassination of gillard [exampled by the stuff you write] and the free ride he was getting from the media himself. Abbott may have decided the nation should give him a clean slate but some of have memories longer than the news cycle and we don’t wipe him clean of his public deeds and statements.

    I don’t know if it’s simply a ‘man’ thing, that you can’t see the sexism around you because you are all complicit in it by gender, or see it but ignore and accept it as the norm. Women do notice and they are offended, especially when it is carried out in the public domain by someone who aspires to ‘represent’ us.

    This piece the spirit of TDT written all over it, and is a comment on the media’s complete failure to report the real news.

    An Apology To Paul Sheehan

  308. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2012 1:36 pm

    AO, after the Jones poor taste remark, there was a real or threatened boycott of his sponsors.

    In the interests of fairness, there should be a boycott of the sponsors of the comedian. I think his sponsors include the CFMEU, and the CFMEU forms part of the ALP.
    =========
    All this is just further proof that political hypocrites can’t afford to try to take the moral high ground.

    It’s also further proof that Swan lacks the intelligence and judgement to occupy a senior position in government.

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 1:53 pm

    Turnbull is more presentable and more favoured by Labor supporters precisely because he is deep down a Labor man

    Mmmm … I’ll take that as a compliment … much preferred to be compared to Abbott … and MT is much more presentable … isn’t it about getting as many votes as possible or something?

    BTW, a Labor man is what precisely …?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    All this is just further proof that political hypocrites can’t afford to try to take the moral high ground.

    It’s also further proof that Swan lacks the intelligence and judgement to occupy a senior position in government.

    OR

    All this is just further proof that political hypocrites can’t afford to try to take the moral high ground.

    It’s also further proof that ABBOTT lacks the intelligence and judgement to occupy a senior position in government.

    Do you understand how hypocritical some of your posts are? the people made the choice to boycott Jones … all you rumblings are just that …

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2012 1:55 pm

    AO, after the Jones poor taste remark, there was a real or threatened boycott of his sponsors.

    yes, as is people’s right to do so, it is the public who chose to do so, as reb said, you are free to start your own petition.

    In the interests of fairness, there should be a boycott of the sponsors of the comedian. I think his sponsors include the CFMEU, and the CFMEU forms part of the ALP.

    shit, that’s the longest direct route to the ALP ever seen, logic clearly isn’t your strength.

    Logically following your reasoning though, where was any boycott called of the young libs and the liberal party?

    Feel free to boycott the comedians actual sponsors though, I assume he is quite popular and famous for his talent and has numerous wealthy sponsors – who is he again?

  311. Meta permalink
    October 12, 2012 2:29 pm

    (“It’s a commercial world?)

  312. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 12, 2012 2:41 pm

    “something we always knew about him”

    How long have you known him? How did you know that stuff?

    “I don’t know if it’s simply a ‘man’ thing, that you can’t see the sexism around you because you are all complicit in it by gender, or see it but ignore and accept it as the norm.”

    Absolutely hilarious. A sexist statement decrying sexism!

  313. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:52 pm

    Once again I find myself agreeing with SB.

    Kitty, you need some WD40.

  314. October 13, 2012 3:03 am

    Dear Armchair, the trash harbors low level misogynists at best.
    Check out the reply to my comment by blogmasta
    http://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/how-facebook-hurts-women

  315. October 13, 2012 3:15 am

    Tom-R .. ” although I support the need for single mothers to get back to work, a stick with no carrot ”
    .
    Fully agree with ya Tom, but what I was trying to point out to everyone, that the `news` feminism angle was total bullshit and merely a distraction from the `event` of taking an axe to certain pensions/welfare-benefits needed by WOMEN. Sadly, I didn`t even attract the attention of our resident feminista, who was too distracted by the smack-down screeching and cheer-Leading.

  316. October 13, 2012 3:30 am

    The removing Slipper `event` was the work of Oakshott and Windsor in discussion with Slipper, was what rid us of Slipper. This was clearly explained by Oakshott on LatelineLand, despite Tony Jones trying to wallow in crepulence. Meanwhile the `news` distracted and lead everyone with screeching for the duopoly, who both failed with Slipper. Little credit has been given to Windsor/Oakshott.

  317. October 13, 2012 3:36 am

    The 3rd `event` out of this screeching via world wide video is the standing/respect of Australia and its politicians/parliament around the globe/other-governments. While I don`t really care about this myself, they made their own bed and can sleep in it. I have noticed the embedded media have missed this `news` angle totally so far.

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