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Rostrum: Completely Appalled and Disgusted Edition!

October 12, 2012

Hello,

Good afternoon and welcome to our weekend open discussion thread.

What a bizarre couple of week it’s been. Australian politics has sunk to previously unchartered depths with Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott reiterating the already widely condemned “died of shame” remarks in Parliament this week.

As we all know, the Opposition Leader was attempting to sack Parliamentary Speaker Peter Slipper following the revelation of lurid text messages between Slipper and former staffer now sexual harassment complainant James Ashby.

“How could he possibly continue is his role as speaker after these disgraceful sexist text messages” wailed the Minister for Perpetual Outrage Christopher Pyne. The Opposition wanted him sacked. Gone.

Mr Slipper already clearly destroyed on a personal level was left to fall on his sword.

But of course the startling, show-stopping performance in Parliament this week was the Prime Minister’s remarkable attack on Tony Abbott’s new found “feminist” credentials, the result of a 24 hour makeover involving dragging his wife Margie onto the “Today Show” to convince viewers what a top bloke her husband is and not a sexist misogynistic pig at all.

How could the Australian public have got it wrong for so long?

It appears that this week, the world just got a little bit more disgusted and appalled.

In fairness, Julia Gillard had every right to feel disgusted and appalled over the Alan Jones remarks, and she responded with great dignity by saying nothing. It was only when she was goaded by Tony Abbott in question time that she fired back, and fire back she did with gusto.

But now, MPs from all corners are competing for prize position of “who can express the most indignant outrage.”

Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer previously occupied this position, regularly beginning media appearances and interviews with an introductory tirade of just how “appalled” and “disgusted” he was. Regardless of the topic at hand.

However, this mantle has been assumed by Manager for Opposition Business Christopher Pyne, who by all accounts is an angry Maltese Terrier. This week he’s consumed a great deal of question time going to great lengths to describe and convey just how disgusted, angry and furious he is. It’s ok, Christopher, we get it.

Everyone from all sides of politics has been scrambling to wage war on any hint of hypocrisy, sexism and misogyny. Even a comedian hired to “entertain” at an ALP function hasn’t been spared. Apparently, Wayne Swan should’ve vetted his routine.

The Prime Minister may well have opened a Pandora’s Box when she confronted Tony Abbott over his sexism and misogyny. While this was long overdue as far as I’m concerned, the Parliamentary show ponies are going into overdrive on the perpetual outrage front.

Is this really what we pay these people for?

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:27 pm

    I’m outraged! Sign up for a boycott!!
    helptomofmelbournebioycottthecfmeuandtheirmatesthefacelessmenandassortedhacks.com.au

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:29 pm

    Well personally, I’m completely appauled (sic) 😉 and disgusted …

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:30 pm

    … the link doesn’t work, ToM … 😦

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:31 pm

    Christopher Pyne, who by all accounts is an angry Maltese Terrier …

    Christopher, won’t take too kindly to that phrase, sreb, at least poodles were bred as hunting dogs

  5. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:48 pm

    If you look at the last couple of weeks its been colourful politics, but in the extraordinary struggles ahead… historians will see it as an irrelevant self-indulgence.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2012 5:58 pm

    Try this one-

    Signupforahatecampaignagainstpeoplewhohatestuff.com.au

  7. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 6:03 pm

    Nup…that don’t work either.

    Boats are coming in droves and they are economic refugees, not illegal immigrants.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sell-house-and-sail-away-to-better-lives/story-e6frg6n6-1226493973659

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 6:09 pm

    Nup!

    You’re like the young Breast Cancer bloke who turned up at my front door today (I had guests so I said I couldn’t give him much time) … I said, “hang on a sec and I’ll get you a couple of dollars … we get quite a lot of genuine requests and I can only afford a couple of doallrs each” ..

    .. he replied, “no we don’t want a donation just your support …:

    … “oh, in what way?”

    … “well, if you could give me your details, you could give a small amount once a month …”

    … duh! … a donation is what?

    … I said, “sorry, mate, I’m a pensioner ( 🙄 guilt kicks in ) I couldn’t afford to do anything like that … do you collect for prostate cancer too?”

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 6:12 pm

    The navy claimed in a briefing that asylum seekers ….

    … from egg’s link … BTW if I was a Tamil I’d want to bugger off too …

  10. October 12, 2012 6:21 pm

    Is that the sound of a bottle of red opening? Why yes, I think it is….

    *clink*

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 7:35 pm

    *clink* Blogmasta … I know you’ll be appauled 😆 but I’m thoroughly enjoying my glass of Bowlers Run SSB … very angry though!

    Uncle Dan’s have increased the fkn price! It’s now $2.83 in a six pack!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 7:49 pm

    DANGEROUS TERRITORY FOR EUROPE AND THE WORLD NOW!

    (Reuters) – Greece’s jobless rate topped 25 percent and its biggest company said it would quit the country on Thursday in a fresh blow to an economy that German experts warned cannot be “saved” without writing off more debt.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/11/uk-greece-idUKBRE89A0YO20121011

    Read all of the article … this is really scary stuff if you read modern history … and people here “screech” about 5.2% (BTW that means that 94.8% of our working population have jobs!)

    Add to the Greek tragedy … 10% unemployment in the USA, a slowing economy in China … anyone who thinks the GFC is over needs to do some reading … fast!

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 7:53 pm

    Which country owns Coca Cola BTW, which country set Greece up for a fall (clue Goldman Sachs*) …

    The epitome of a sickening global money market …

    Winter is coming!

  14. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 7:53 pm

    ‘Uncle Dan’s have increased the fkn price!’

    Not Dan’s fault, its an inflationary spike throughout the system and I s’pose they’ll blame joolya.

  15. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 7:57 pm

    ‘As Greece descends into further chaos amid mounting social and political tensions, accusations of police brutality are growing. In recent months, reports have multiplied of codes of conduct being flouted by law enforcement officers.

    ‘They have been attributed to the force’s links with Golden Dawn, whose popularity has surged on the back of soaring crime and anti-immigrant hysteria.

    “The police are angry. They are overstretched and underpaid and becoming increasingly anti-government and radicalised, in this case to the right,” said Panos Garganas, a prominent leftist activist.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/greek-police-accused-of-using-human-shield-20121012-27hrj.html#ixzz294bf4KsI

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 8:01 pm

    Not Dan’s fault, its an inflationary spike throughout the system

    Yes! The fkn Carbon Tax!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Am I really insensitive or does it seem that the government and media are milking Bali for all it’s worth … and I can’t buy it …

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2012 8:03 pm

    … the government and media …

    Correction – politicians and media …

  18. October 12, 2012 8:52 pm

    “It’s now $2.83 in a six pack!”

    You buy bottled wine in a six pack….???

    I guess I ought to be impressed. It’s better than a cask of Fruiti Lexia, the choice of most Queenlanders I suppose…..

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2012 10:41 pm

    What a piece of work that Wayne Swan is.

    *clink*

  20. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 13, 2012 1:10 am

    Politicians on both sides of the “pond” and the ever boring “gotcha game”…So tedious we have to listen to these clowns posture etc…Meanwhile, the peoples business doesn’t get done…

  21. October 13, 2012 1:53 am

    It Looks like Arizona has managed to escape the clutches of Karl Rove`s minions.

  22. October 13, 2012 2:01 am

    Welcome to Freedom.

  23. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 8:44 am

    ‘Styant-Browne fired back that the transcript – which he says was transcribed by his former wife at their kitchen table and which he holds the only complete copy of – was not the firm’s property but a document he had agreed with Peter Gordon in 1995 should be held ”for our individual benefit” in the event that it was needed to protect their position in any subsequent external investigation of the AWU matters.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-man-who-knew-too-much-stirs-ghosts-of-gillards-past-20121012-27i27.html#ixzz297ix1rDi

  24. October 13, 2012 11:11 am

    None of these asses deserve so much as a donkey vote
    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/none-of-these-asses-deserve-so-much-as-a-donkey-vote/
    .
    I can`t believe this level of common sense coming out of Limited-News, tho the welfare cuts were missed.

  25. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 12:31 pm

    At the moment its a 60/40 bet that joolya is about to fall on her sword and replaced by a ‘real man’.

    Its only rumour and gut feeling, which usually turns out to be wrong.

  26. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 12:54 pm

    ‘As protesters dressed as Nazis riot in an Athens ruled by Brussels stooges, giving the Nobel Peace Prize to the EU is beyond satire.’

    Max Hastings in the Daily Mail

  27. October 13, 2012 1:12 pm

    Relative Quotes
    f1 .. ” Abbotts a sexist fcking imbecile ”
    f2 .. ” And Joolya is no fcking hero cutting pensions ”
    (female relatives obviously)

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 13, 2012 1:44 pm

    Julia’s problem is that she has used ‘misogynist’ as a synonym for ‘sexist’.

    Swan and his CFMEU mates have successfully proved that the ALP has standards and principles that are flexible enough to accommodate every shade of sexism and hypocrisy.

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2012 2:25 pm

    Swan and his CFMEU mates have successfully proved that the ALP has standards and principles that are flexible enough to accommodate every shade of sexism and hypocrisy.

    Nothing like a female holding the highest office in the land to strike naked fear into the heart of the australian establishment, where misogyny is accepted as the norm.

    I don’t for a minute doubt that there is just as much sexism and misogyny in the unions and labor as there is in wider society. Male dominated unions are not known for their support of female workers, I haven’t noticed them campaigning for equal pay and rights for female workers. Joe debruyn and the labor catholic brotherhood would happily work with abbott to oppress any female abortion rights or euthanasia and gay marriage legislation.

    It’s an issue for society not politics. I suspect that julia gillard’s supposed ‘illegitimacy’ to hold office because of her gender and her personal lifestyle [eg not religious, married with children, feminist etc] is resented by some labor traditionalists as well.

    Too bad. We’re not going away and we will not be shutting up.

  30. October 13, 2012 2:28 pm

    June 8, 2008

    Misogynist

    Senator Hillary Clinton used a word recently that has been changing its meaning. In charging that she has been treated more harshly in the media because of her gender than Senator Barack Obama has been treated because of his race, she said, “It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by comments and reactions of people who are nothing but misogynists.”

    The word misogyny has since its earliest recording in 1656 meant “hate or contempt for women.” The etymology of misogyny is straightforward: In Greek, miso means “hatred,” and gune means “woman.” A misogynist is a woman-hater. I thought Clinton’s choice of the word was in error, and that the word she meant was sexist, meaning “one who discriminates based on sex” — that she had been treated unfairly because she was a woman. When I looked up the word she chose in the Oxford English Dictionary online, however, I noted that the meaning of misogynist had changed slightly but significantly. In 1989, the definition was “hatred of women”; in the 2002 revision, the definition was broadened to “hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.”

    Thus, sexist and misogynist are now in some respects synonymous. Because sexist has been so widely used, apparently misogynist — in the same sense of “prejudice” rather than “hatred” — now carries more force with those who are familiar with the word. Presumably that was the feminist audience that Senator Clinton intended to reach.

  31. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 2:36 pm

    Misandry is restricted to only a small group of vocal activists.

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2012 2:53 pm

    Thus, sexist and misogynist are now in some respects synonymous. Because sexist has been so widely used, apparently misogynist — in the same sense of “prejudice” rather than “hatred” — now carries more force with those who are familiar with the word.

    That’s how I see it.

    Misandry is restricted to only a small group of vocal activists.

    Guess that’s because there’s so few of them around. Asserting self, advocating for equality and pointing out sexism and misogyny where it exists should not be taken as misandry, although many males seem to equate and interpret one with the other.

    [wiki] “…Though the concept is ancient, the word did not appear in most dictionaries until the second half of the 20th century…”

    Very new word I see.

    I suppose men wrote the dictionaries? 🙂

  33. Tom R permalink
    October 13, 2012 4:14 pm

    I suppose men wrote the dictionaries?

    😆

    Hang on, is that sexist ❓

    I also see the msm is discovering another concept called ‘context’, after assiduously avoiding it for the past two years

    ROFL

  34. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 4:42 pm

    ‘although many males seem to equate and interpret one with the other.’

    Extraordinary.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 6:50 pm

    Not sure which “Oxford Online Dictionary” … “bill safire” read … ’cause I checked it on Monday! (Britis and USA)

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/misogyny?q=misogyny

    misogyny Pronunciation: /mɪˈsɒdʒ(ə)ni, mʌɪ-/

    Definition of misogyny

    noun
    [mass noun]
    the hatred of women: she felt she was struggling against thinly disguised misogyny

    I do understand thatn the meanings of words are altered over the years and included in the Oxford’s ongoing reviews …

    misoogyny would appear to be synonymous with “sexist” in modern parlance …

    Just as “rude” = bad mannered … in modern language it can mean “amazing” … take the oft used “wicked” or the 1950’s bastardisation of … “cool” used by all three generations in my family … and not to mean cold …

    To piss around with the word “misogyny” as the media (radio – Tv – paper – online) is petty and demonstrates a shallow understanding of the world we live in … Abbott is a sexist … but he’s more than that … he is a chauvanistic sexist … but he’s more than that … he doesn’t believe a woman is capable of managing the power that he now has as Leader of the Parliamentary Liberal Party because wormen should be subservient to men … THERE IS NO “dictionary” word for that attitude/behaviour … sexist doesn’t cover it, nor does chauvenist … your left with “mysogyny” … and its the word – one word that makes it difficult to defend – hate … we suspect he doesn’t “hate” women but its more than being sexist …

    Show me a female pope and female immams and I’ll show you progress in gender equality…

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 7:00 pm

    Mysoginist – same source(s) …

    Definition of misogynist

    noun

    a person who hates women: a bachelor and renowned misogynist

    adjective

    having or showing a hatred of women: a misogynist attitude

  37. October 13, 2012 7:22 pm

    Hey Armchair, you do realize you Let most of the sexists off the hook.

  38. October 13, 2012 7:36 pm

    http://www.oed.com/

    Is a subscription service.

    To piss around with the word “misogyny” as the media (radio – Tv – paper – online) is petty and demonstrates a shallow understanding of the world we live in … Abbott is a sexist … but he’s more than that … he is a chauvanistic sexist … but he’s more than that … he doesn’t believe a woman is capable of managing the power that he now has as Leader of the Parliamentary Liberal Party because wormen should be subservient to men … THERE IS NO “dictionary” word for that attitude/behaviour … sexist doesn’t cover it, nor does chauvenist … your left with “mysogyny” … and its the word – one word that makes it difficult to defend – hate … we suspect he doesn’t “hate” women but its more than being sexist …

    Exactly TB Queensland. Witness the growth of language over time. Pedants don’t like it, but they can’t stop it.

    About William Safire.

    A former speechwriter and public relations writer, and special assistant to President Richard Nixon, Safire joined The New York Times as a Washington-based columnist in 1973. He won a 1978 Pulitzer Prize for commentary.

    Safire has written numerous books on writing and language, including How Not to Write: The Essential Misrules of Grammar (2005). Delving into fiction, he wrote four novels: Full Disclosure (1977), Freedom (1987), Sleeper Spy (1995), and Scandalmonger (2000).

  39. October 13, 2012 7:53 pm

    Nice Link Gordo. I Tend to agree. But getting all knotted up over an adjective seems idiotic to me. Sexist Pig meets the requirements well enough.

  40. October 13, 2012 7:59 pm

    Today I had a brush with fame. Guess who I saw at Melbourne Exhibition centre signing autographs…?

    Ok I wll share with youse…

    George Lazenby who played James Bond in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service.

    I contemplated paying for a hand signed photograph, but then I found out that you had to pay $32 for the privilege.

    Fuck that, I thought, he was the worst James Bond out of the lot….!

    Had it been Sean or Roger though, that might have been another story….

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 8:00 pm

    Thanks, Bill, … I hesitate to call you, BS, 😉 … if you are, William, (one never knows on the interwebby thingy) … I understand that Aussie humour is a difficult world for Americans …

    All that aside noice to see you posting here … most of the other posters are quite crass … the Blogmasta is a struggling rich mogul and Armchair is trying to pull all the right wing mysogynists in line … but life is hard … 😛

    Beware that our right wing posters are quite ravenous when it comes to people with knowledge and life/work experience …

    … but I’m guessing you’ve “lurked” a bit to check the tone of the blog (which there ain’t) out before posting … 🙂

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 8:02 pm

    Not sure that’s “fame”, sreb … it really was the “worst” … and they wanted to give him a nother shot too … and fired Pierce Brosnan 🙄 … who was really quite good … no Irish accent at all!

  43. October 13, 2012 8:16 pm

    Its a good thing Hollywood types aren`t just in it for the cash.
    At $32 bucks, it must be in the punter`s interest.

  44. October 13, 2012 8:28 pm

    Let’s just say that he looked like he could use the cash Reportland…

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 8:29 pm

    LOL!

    Send me $2 and I’ll send you my autograph, 730, I performed on New Faces (Ch 9 and 10) in 1969 six times (won QLD) Encouragement Award on Australia’s NF (beaten by a 15 yo cornet player – look it up 🙄 – because they had too many singers) … life really is a joke! Next year I was swanning around playing soldiers …

  46. October 13, 2012 8:31 pm

    Our “right wing” posters are both sulking TB… 🙄

  47. October 13, 2012 8:34 pm

    You seem to have misplaced Mr-Angry too, reb

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 8:35 pm

    LOL!

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2012 8:39 pm

    I’d love to party but dinner’s ready and The Minister for War, Water, Finance, Water & Fun … want’s to watch a movie …

    I will tell youse about the $1000 rip-off we fought on Thursday (and won!) and the magic of our new solar panels … as soon as I can fire up the computer again!

    Regards to all – make BS welcome too … I reckon he might be a very valuable contributor …

  50. October 13, 2012 8:40 pm

    It’s a pity cos OHMSS was one of the better Bond movie plot wise. Do you remember Telly Savalas TB?

    Lazenby ruined it.

  51. October 13, 2012 8:43 pm

    Tomorrow Never Dies is on channel 7 TB..

  52. October 13, 2012 8:44 pm

    Welcome Billy… 🙂

  53. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 13, 2012 10:23 pm

    “Welcome to Freedom”

    Hmm…I wonder sometimes how long it will last…Currently sitting in a box of an apartment in Southern Harlem, NYC listening to the “Muslim call to prayer” at 6 am…FFS.

    Armchair,

    If your a true “feminist” then start advocating on behalf of women in the Middle East (where feminism is needed) vs. perceived injustices in the West.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/12/pakistan-girl-shooting-arrest/1631003/

    Men will always be the stronger gender, just nature…It is only because you live in a country of “laws” mostly written by men, founded by men and defended by men that women aren’t still “locked down”. I for one grow tired of listening to penis envy manifested as “assertion” to be anything other than that. “Real women” are able to go about their lives as such without archaic grievances to point to as a continued reason to still be angry..LOL…So cheers to real women and not the little girls who don’t want to grow up!

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 3:50 am

    [I’ll try to post a reply to sparta for the third time, it keeps disappearing into cyberspace]

    If your a true “feminist” then start advocating on behalf of women in the Middle East (where feminism is needed) vs. perceived injustices in the West.

    What an arrogant statement. Middle eastern feminists are doing it for themselves in the way that suits them, not through the cultural expectations of westerners and white power systems. Change will come from within, not forced from the outside by a western superiority which will rightly be rejected by them. You can almost sense the winds of change already.

    There’s plenty of work still to be done in the US and australia, haven’t you noticed ‘the war on women’ in your own country? Your own state? That’s not penis envy, that is women wanting to have the basic right to control their own bodies.

    Warning! Stay out of Arizona:

    A State-By-State Look at the 2012 Anti-Choice Laws & Pending Legislation Across the USA

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 3:51 am

    I think it’s a word in the link

    https://waronwomen.com/RockTheSlutVote/frontline

  56. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 14, 2012 6:23 am

    Armchair,

    Well I simply mentioned “ADVOCATING” not invading….In regards to abortion there are plenty of other states where a women can kill her unborn child as a form of birth control. I find that whole discussion annoying. A child leaves your vagina, its a person, killed inside your uterus, just goo….

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 9:47 am

    WTF is this $#!t!!!

    CHEAP wine will be banned under a federal health agency’s plan to make drinkers pay at least $8-$10 for a bottle of booze.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 9:51 am

    Why not put the price of petrol and cars up so people can’t wrap themselves around suburban trees … what happened to the “market economy”?

    Where do I vote for Tony Abbott … fkn stupid reasoning AGAIN by politicians and public servants owned by the churches …

  59. October 14, 2012 10:59 am

    Seems like our `independent` Arizona is sounding all republican again.

  60. October 14, 2012 11:23 am

    Hey Armchair, on the feminista stuff, why are you (and everyone else, mind you) only enraged by Mr-Rabbits sexist-pig behavior. This also is largely missed with the embedded media, Mr-Rabbits chief of staff (credlin) and his speech writer (and others, I think) are women.
    1. Doesn`t this kill the `misogyny` (woman-hater) claims.? &
    2. Why no rage for the females advising/writing/instructing Mr-Rabbits shit behavior.? (Without Letting Mr-Rabbit off the hook, of course, and Yes, he has final say, buck stops with him)

  61. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 12:52 pm

    ‘If your a true “feminist” then start advocating on behalf of women in the Middle East (where feminism is needed) vs. perceived injustices in the West.’

    Hear hear…

    ‘Unless international organizations take steps to reverse the troubling trend, it is estimated that over the next decade, 100 million more girls—or about 25,000 girls a day—will marry before they turn 18.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216553/International-Day-Girl-Child-2012-Devastating-images-terrifying-world-child-brides.html#ixzz29EZajwWK
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  62. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 1:37 pm

    Thinking about the abuse of women in third world countries, I just noticed a couple of 16 year olds (of Asian extraction) laughing as they walked down our lane.

    They were dressed as tarts and went to a building nearby to service a couple of Chinese gentlemen. Within about 15 minutes the two walked back up the lane giggling and joking.

    I have nothing further to add.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 1:40 pm

    Doesn`t this kill the `misogyny` (woman-hater) claims.?

    Absolutely not … and why are you defending him? Jumped on the lets’s talk about the meaning of misogyny bandwagon?

    Never heard of the “battered women syndrome” … my father was a wife beater (till I stopped the prick!) … but my mother was still married to him when he died at 79 … he was a male chauvenist of the worst kind but a lot of women thought he was a handsome, funny man … but he didn’t like them much (other than for one thing) …

    Its far more complex than analysing one word in a speech in Parliament … rather disappointed in your poor observation … 037 …

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 1:51 pm

    Hey Armchair, on the feminista stuff, why are you (and everyone else, mind you) only enraged by Mr-Rabbits sexist-pig behavior.

    You must have missed where we discussed and condemned that union/comedian thing a few days ago.

    1. Doesn`t this kill the `misogyny` (woman-hater) claims.?

    Not at all, there are plenty of traditionalist women who are active supporters and participants by working against their own gender. I think of them as co-dependents in enabling male superiority and patriarchy. Women like the two Bishops in the liberal party [why has nothing ever been said about julie bishop’s unmarried status and her barrenness or empty fruit bowl?]. Abbott has behaved in a sexist manner to julie bishop and she has never pulled him up on it eg when he verbally replaced her, making her his deputy, deputy leader by referring to credlin as the deputy recently and the time he patronisingly patted her and said “she’s a good girl”!

    Credlin has been a driver of the sexist campaign that has been mounted from the start against gillard, I think it results from the imported teabaggers that have made their way into abbott’s offices. I think the sexism has been an organised and deliberate campaign strategy by the opposition right from the start and credlin is the spinner behind it. Abbott is condemned by his own mouth and deeds though, he always has been sexist, it comes from his catholicism.

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 1:53 pm

    I have nothing further to add.

    What exactly are you saying?

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 1:59 pm

    mmm … me too, KL …

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 2:09 pm

    …it comes from his catholicism.

    and his upbringing.

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 2:22 pm

    A child leaves your vagina, its a person, killed inside your uterus, just goo….

    Not as simple as that, as you well know, but yes, just a clump of cells at certain stages. No-one is saying abortions must be had for all, just that each woman has the right to choose, depending on her own life, circumstances and belief.

    Besides, doesn’t matter what you think, it’s not your body, your uterus, or your life so none of your fkn business or concern, especially as you won’t be knocking on her door offering child minding, financial, physical and emotional support for the next 25 years.

    Stop worrying about her uterus and worry more about her as a thinking, breathing, feeling, person.

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2012 2:42 pm

    “Real women” are able to go about their lives as such without archaic grievances to point to as a continued reason to still be angry..LOL…So cheers to real women and not the little girls who don’t want to grow up!

    You might want to get yourself some education on ‘real’ men sparta.

    …The Everyday Sexism Project exists to catalogue instances of sexism experienced by women on a day to day basis. They might be serious or minor, outrageously offensive or so niggling and normalised that you don’t even feel able to protest…
    …By sharing your story you’re showing the world that sexism does exist, it is faced by women everyday and it is a valid problem to discuss…

    http://www.everydaysexism.com/

    MizzMazz 2012-10-11 17:05
    Thank you for this site. I worked at a world-wide shipping company (the one with brown trucks) and had to put up with sexist bullshit from day one, and the attitude was, “If you are working in a male dominated space you have to deal with it.” I did, because wrongly I thought to complain would make me out to be the ‘Whiny Bitch.’ I was rubbed up against by my supervisor, in the process of looking at my load on the trucks, and had to hear sexist jokes and conversation, because I had chosen to work in a male dominated job. Well, those are the jobs where the money is to be made. I was physically strong, and that upset some of the men, so my workload was increased almost as punishment. (“So you think you can do this? Here – have more work.”)

    My current job is in security, and there’s a lot of subtle sexism, even though the workforce is 50/50 male and female. There was a mess on the floor, and one of my supervisors actually tried to hand me the vacuum cleaner, as if I was the one to do the cleaning. Hey, you’ve already got it, you vacuum the mess up, but no – it’s because that’s ‘women’s work.’

    The “Smile!” order – that thing. I got one while I was at a position at my workplace that I couldn’t leave. I asked the man if he told men to smile, and he said he told ‘everyone’ to smile. Liar. If you want to see a smile so bad, go and smile in the mirror.

  70. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2012 2:55 pm

    I would think the Bill Safire is reason enough for why yomm never engages in pedantry (until this latest episode, at least) 😉

    The same could be said for most of our present msm also, who have ignored pedantic points previously, preferring their own interpretations, yet in the last week, (outdated) dictionaries are all the rage.

    The barracking is so obvious, it is embarrassing. Even Dick concurs

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/free-press-is-a-slave-unto-itself-20121013-27jml.html

  71. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 4:04 pm

    ‘What exactly are you saying?’

    It was merely an observation, but we may need to talk about exploitation in the workforce.

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 4:36 pm

    From TomR’s link …

    We need an open press in Australia, and that means journalists being brave enough to expose hypocrisy and censorship wherever it occurs – even if it is by powerful organisations.

    What we need is more Dick Smiths … !!

  73. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 5:17 pm

    The press is going down the financial gurgler, the next generation of journalists can be on the interwebys. They work for nothing.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 6:44 pm

    Well the new solar panels are working well … just added another 3.0Kw array to our existing 1Kw … and we are chuffing out about 24 kwh per day … according to our power bill that’s about 9-10 kwh over our daily usage … we expect either no or low power bill for the next quarter!

  75. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 7:36 pm

    64% of The Age readers think joolya is not doing enough to woo male voters.

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 14, 2012 8:03 pm

    Interestingly, Gillard isn’t getting any of her cabinet colleagues to agree that Abbott is a hater of women.

    Combet carefully avoided answering the questions about Abbott’s alleged misogyny today. Swan won’t say it and Wong is calling for an end to the whole thing.

    Most people are willing to say “sexist”, but no one else is vociferously agreeing with Gillard’s over the top characterisation. There is a simple reason for this.

    Gillard is wrong.
    ——————
    I haven’t read the comments today or last night, too busy with water activity.

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 8:16 pm

    64% of The Age readers think joolya is not doing enough to woo male voters.

    I suspect your pushing a sexist barra, egg … do you have to make some sort of point? I know what a dumb question – have you ever made a point?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Obviously you never read my posts like I read yours … but that’s typical of Liberal supporters (yeah, I noticed you don’t sham anymore – “I used to be an ALP supporter” – d’ya think ALL unionists are ALP voters – ya twinkie you – they need a fkn job – ask me about my six month stand off with the AMU one day) …

    Most people are willing to say “sexist”, but no one else is vociferously agreeing with Gillard’s over the top characterisation.

    Read my post earlier … and Bill Safires … sexist is right wait their’s more … aw fk … the next level is misogynist!

    And the level of journalism in this sorry saga is fkn incomprehensible … journalism as a profession is a joke … high school kids could do better … (I know two of my children completed HS two of my g/children and one attending … the latter (14) I may encourage into politics – he’d sweep the fkn field today!

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 8:19 pm

    I haven’t read the comments today or last night, too busy with water activity.

    Ya mean playin’ in the surf … that’s the problem with your wannambe PM — he’s too busy playing at – surfin’ and bikin’ and factoryin’ and bullshittin’ … not my kinda PM …

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 14, 2012 8:30 pm

    TB, I’m not only a former ALP voter, I’m a former member, even an active one. A delegate at ALP conferences, branch president!! Elected, full time union official too! But you know all that.

    …all the water activity has left me exhausted.

    Studies show that physical activities and hobbies leave people better adjusted and more effective contributors to their work than those that simply focus on their work.

    See you tomorrow.

  80. Tom R permalink
    October 14, 2012 8:40 pm

    Swan won’t say it

    Really 😯

    TONY JONES: So do you stand by the use of this word misogynist, woman-hater, in relation to Tony Abbott or do you want to step back from that because … ?

    WAYNE SWAN: No, no, I certainly do. I certainly do believe that. That’s for the public to make up their mind about, but I believe the Prime Minister made a very, very powerful case in that speech and that’s why it has attracted so much public interest, not just from women, but from men as well.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3609115.htm

  81. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 9:30 pm

    ‘have you ever made a point?’

    Rarely outside my portfolio.

  82. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 14, 2012 9:31 pm

    “Stop worrying about her uterus and worry more about her as a thinking, breathing, feeling, person”

    Formerly just Goo; by your logic….And if she was either thinking or feeling she might care about the child she helped create being murdered instead of just her own selfish wants and needs; but hey, modern women. It takes a “real woman” to live with her decisions; any moron can abort her child.

    “No-one is saying abortions must be had for all”

    Really, then what on earth are you advocating for if not that? You seem to rail against any restrictions to your purported right to “kill”? It has nothing to do with controlling women here but if a woman is carrying my child why do I not have any say? You sure is hell would expect me to step up the “second it leaves your body?” Why does said woman get to be judge, jury and executioner?

    “You might want to get yourself some education on ‘real’ men Sparta”

    And what pray tell might that be “sister”? Marching lock step with women of your ilk advocating for hypocritical positions like more affirmative action, murder on demand, fighting against perceived injustices for women here in the West? Again, the real fight for women in the West is long over, evolve a bit and use that bravado to advocate on behalf of women under real threat and oppression…I would gladly join you in that fight and do my up most to defend you from the 200 pound man you mistakenly think you can handle on your own, I am sure…

  83. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 14, 2012 9:34 pm

    TB,

    Are you guys able to sell back any accumulated energy back to the grid/power companies in Australia?

  84. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 10:04 pm

    ‘Again, the real fight for women in the West is long over…’

    I agree in principle, but every effort should be made to get equal pay for equal work.

  85. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 14, 2012 11:25 pm

    “I agree in principle, but every effort should be made to get equal pay for equal work”

    I agree; however, proving “equal work” is the problem. We are often promoted for “personal” reasons or via subjective criteria. I find this argument puzzling on some level. For instance, here in the states women benefit from affirmative action, advancement based on their gender alone (discriminatory in itself). Only in government does one find “standard” compensation but this is not without its pitfalls too. It is commonly known in this country at least, that one only has to “get the government job”, not perform to keep it. Also, it is term of service, additional degrees etc not quality of work which determines advancement. We will never have a world were everybody in every field is represented equally via gender, income etc…This notion is folly in my humble opinion. Here is one explanation…

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303592404577361883019414296.html

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    October 14, 2012 11:29 pm

    Are you guys able to sell back any accumulated energy back to the grid/power companies in Australia?

    Yep, @44cents kwh … we buy @ 22cents … government gauranteed till 2028 (guffaw!) … we should break even …

    … which is ludicrous if you think about it … my son is making something like $200 a WEEK!

    So who will PAY … the people who can’t afford solar … duh!

    Power is not a product for profit it should be a profitless service by govenment …

  87. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 14, 2012 11:55 pm

    “Power is not a product for profit it should be a profitless service by govenment …”

    Well I agree in principle as well but lets face it; the reality is we humans absolutely NEED such incentives to “do the right thing”. Not all of us mind you but the average punter to be sure. My father is in the process of installing panels on his AZ home. The company basically installs and maintains via the tax rebate he will receive. It is win, win…for the home owner, business and the environment…

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2012 2:21 am

    any moron can abort her child.

    And just to point out the flaw in your argument, a foetus or embryo is not a child in the same way that an egg is not a chicken and a caterpillar is not a butterfly.

    and any moron can ejaculate his sperm.

    It has nothing to do with controlling women here but if a woman is carrying my child why do I not have any say?

    A woman usually does discuss the circumstances with the father, depends on their relationship. Why should a woman undergo a pregnancy and the responsibility of child rearing simply to satisfy a man’s wishes, especially one who may not be in her or her baby’s life? Sometimes she feels she has no other options available than to abort – her uterus, her pregnancy, her life, her choice. The decision is not taken lightly, but it is taken in the knowledge that she will be the one left holding the baby.

  89. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 7:27 am

    That WSJ article was informative and I think this might compare well with Australian conditions. Here is a quote from that link.

    ‘A 2007 Pew Research survey came up with similar results for American women: Among working mothers with minor children, 60% said they would prefer to work part-time, while only 21% wanted to be in the office full-time (and 19% said they’d like to give up their job altogether). How about working fathers? Only 12% would choose part-time and 70% wanted to be full-time.’

  90. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 7:38 am

    If all else fails, play the man.

    ‘Tony Abbott is a hack. A dog. An aggressive, carping, bitter, mindless, deceptive, dodgy, mendacious, rancid, negative, nasty, muck-raking, untruthful, obstructionist, opportunistic, sexist, political Neanderthal. He is unfit for high office. He cannot control his temper. No trick is too low for him. No stunt is too wild. He is a bully. A thug. A snake oil salesman. A poster child for vile bully-boy values. He has repulsive double standards. He hates women. He stands for nothing. He has unhealthy obsessions. He is nuts.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-suffering-a-labor-party-stoning-20121014-27krw.html#ixzz29J9BwBf2

  91. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    October 15, 2012 7:56 am

    “and any moron can ejaculate his sperm.”

    Hey, we agree!

  92. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 8:13 am

    Just for fun.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cartoons

    Kitty, men marry women so they can have regular sex. In my discussions with young women they are quietly horrified to discover that men are so demanding in this regard.

    A male pill will be available in a few years and there should be a serious drop in the birthrate, because the maternal instinct plays no part in male decision making.

  93. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2012 9:06 am

    Hmm, this is getting a bit of s run lately

    http://twitter.yfrog.com/odk1czfj

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 15, 2012 9:43 am

    I realise that women should control their bodies, and no one should have a child against their will. But I hope we don’t reach the stage where abortion, medical or drug induced, becomes a common form of contraception.

    Gillard’s over the top definition of “misogyny” has already undermined her thin credibility.

    So too have the new reports about her involvement in the slush fund. She’s-
    • Possibly witnessed a power of attorney signature without being present.
    • The power of attorney was to use corruptly obtained funds by her boyfriend to purchase a property.
    • Apparently misrepresented the nature of the fund to the regulator in WA. On one hand she’s described it as a “slush fund” on the other she has told a regulator that it is bona fide.

    There is plenty in this that will haunt Gillard.

  95. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2012 10:03 am

    There is plenty in this that will haunt Gillard.

    Possibly? 😯

    Possibly as possible as swan not saying something you possibly said he possibly didn’t say

    Apparently, Gillard’s over the top definition of “misogyny” has already been shown to be an accurate portrayal as Bill Safire has outlined.

    Possibly

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 15, 2012 11:50 am

    I haven’t read the transcript. So I’ll accept your word for it.

    But Combet declined to endorse the term. There is a reason for that – when pressed they won’t be able to justify the use of the term “misogynist”

    It’s yet another example to Gillard using words that aren’t true. She has a history of that.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 15, 2012 11:55 am

    Next we’ll see Gillard calling Fairfax ‘misogynist/nutcase’ because they are reporting the stuff about her past that Gillard would prefer not to have to deal with.

    Did she witness the power of attorney signature after the event? Because that would show a couple of things that can’t be excused as “young & naïve”.

    Did she make representations about the “slush fund”? If she called it a slush fund to her employers, did she misrepresent its purpose when supporting it to regulators?

    More strife for Gillard, she has a history of getting into trouble because of her low level of truthfulness.

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 15, 2012 12:00 pm

    More strife for Gillard if you go on yomms ‘assumptions’ 😆

    But Combet declined to endorse the term

    No, actually, he said he agreed with everything the PM said, but wanted to move on. Which is good, politically speaking. The bomb is dropped, let the aging white men with poison pens linger over the entrails, the Government is moving on with business.

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    October 15, 2012 12:24 pm

    Kitty, men marry women so they can have regular sex …

    I don’t whether you believe this sort of shit, you’ve read it or are just looking for a reaction …

    … after being married for over 44 years … I can assure you that’s BS!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToM, still hung up on a word … I see … 🙄

  100. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 12:33 pm

    The initial transaction to ‘love, honour and obey’ was taken seriously.

    The romantic ideal is lovely, but we are just glorified apes.

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2012 12:46 pm

    Kitty, men marry women so they can have regular sex. In my discussions with young women they are quietly horrified to discover that men are so demanding in this regard.

    yeah, it also surprises men to learn that women won’t have sex with a person that they don’t like!

    Are men up front about this when they marry? Can’t think of any woman that has told me that is the reason they were getting married.

    There are a few pioneering men but from what I can see, women get to do most of the housework, work outside the home as much and as often as the men [for less pay], and have responsibility for the care of the offspring. The sex isn’t even that great 😉

    What do women get out of this deal?

    Now, if people could only stop and think about how much better off we would be if we just stopped being wage slaves to an ‘economy’ that demands ever increasing productivity and consumerism for no great benefit to anybody but the few very wealthy. Think how happy and fulfilled people could really be if they just stopped feeding the machinery and greed of capitalism and enjoyed their lives. Think how much the environment would be saved. People have been pitted against each other in a lifetime competition of slavery and misery.
    Work less, live smaller is the way to go IMO.

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    October 15, 2012 12:58 pm

    Whack it to ’em, KL!!! 😆

  103. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:10 pm

    ‘What do women get out of this deal?’

    Apparently not much.

  104. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:14 pm

    ‘Work less, live smaller is the way to go IMO.’

    In an idealised world, small is beautiful, but working less might be a pipe dream. Look at the Greek experience.

  105. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:19 pm

    ‘Are men up front about this when they marry? Can’t think of any woman that has told me that is the reason they were getting married.’

    If men don’t recognise that they marry for regular sex, then women won’t admit that they marry for material security.

    Obviously there is more to the game than that…these are the primordial roots.

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:33 pm

    Look at the Greek experience.

    The lesson from that is people should be good citizens and pay their taxes, that way everyone gets to work less and enjoy life. If you make money and benefit from government services and subsidies, you should willingly pay your share of taxes.

    Powerful stuff:

    The contexts of Julia Gillard’s speech

    How about another context, one with wider applications? How about the context of how women are treated in Australian society generally ― the professions including politics and the law, the work place generally, the role of women as defined by the advertising and entertainment industries, as well as the inadequate voice given to women in the media?
    and

    SHADOW BOXING: James Ashby’s $500,000+ legal bill is the dirtiest little secret in Australian politics

    I reckon it comes from rich benefactors who want to influence ‘democracy’ for their own purposes, perhaps from WA?.

  107. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:56 pm

    Personally, I would rather talk about women in the home.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:56 pm

    If men don’t recognise that they marry for regular sex,

    men aren’t that great on introspection

    … then women won’t admit that they marry for material security.

    Few men have that when they both start out in marriage, so you are wrong on that count.

    The thing that bother men nowadays is that women don’t need them for material security. Some women might stay because they have gained material security in later life [and the women have worked hard toward achieving that goal too] others would rather walk out with nothing and gain peace of mind for themselves and the kids.

  109. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 1:58 pm

    ‘Few men have that when they both start out in marriage, so you are wrong on that count.’

    Its about potential.

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    October 15, 2012 2:15 pm

    (“Its about potential.”)

    Gawd! Dumber n dumber …

  111. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 3:38 pm

    Good looking girls attract tradies, professional sportsmen also do well in the gene pool.

  112. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 3:42 pm

    Saw a report recently which declared that university students in accounting and finance do particularly well at the mating game.

    Why is it so?

  113. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 4:49 pm

    It’s time!

    ‘FAIR Work Australia has laid charges against independent MP Craig Thomson, alleging he broke industrial laws and union rules in splurging hundreds of thousands dollars of union funds on prostitutes, spousal travel, and high living.

    ‘FWA spokeswoman Diana Lloyd confirmed to The Australian that civil charges were filed in the Federal Court this morning, and served on Mr Thomson in the afternoon.’

    Ean Higgins in the Oz

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    October 15, 2012 5:56 pm

    Note: To ToM … being charged is not being guilty … (and no I’m not defending Thomson – I don’t like the man or what he represents …)

    =============================================

    The jokes keep coming! (even funnier that, eggs, sexist comments all day)

    A PARLIAMENTARY portrait of former speaker Peter Slipper is set to be commissioned at a cost of $30,000 to taxpayers.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/former-speaker-peter-slipper-to-be-immortalised-in-30000-taxpayer-funded-portrait/story-fndo4eg9-1226496498837

  115. el gordo permalink
    October 15, 2012 8:12 pm

    ‘eggs, sexist comments all day)’

    don’t be afrayd of the troof

  116. October 16, 2012 2:29 am

    Dick Smith was a nice find Tom-R, thanks, I have saved a copy of that page, and the Linked PDF
    http://images.smh.com.au/file/2012/10/13/3711172/Dick-Smith-Letter.pdf?rand=1350108336447

  117. October 16, 2012 3:33 am

    TB .. ” and why are you defending him? ”
    l`m Not defending Mr-Rabbit
    .
    TB .. ” Jumped on .. meaning of misogyny bandwagon? ”
    Cherry-Picked. Why not Look deeper than the current embedded media theme and `adjective` for the week.?
    .
    TB .. ” my father was a wife beater .. ”
    I never brought your father/mother into this.
    I have no truck with how you needed to deal with this.
    .
    TB .. ” more complex than analysing one word in a speech ”
    Agreed. And more complex than the simplistic bullshit the embedded media peddle to the public in their daily ritual.
    .
    TB .. ” rather disappointed in your poor observation ”
    An outbreak of pot/kettle. You did not observe that I was trying to expand the conversation, beyond the embedded media `adjectives` and pre-welded themes. As I have been doing most of the week or so, but you don`t seem to have noticed.
    .
    Armchair didn`t cherry pick, took my whole comment in context, and she answered/addressed most of the points I queried in that comment with some thoughtful reply.
    .
    AO .. ” Not at all, there are plenty of traditionalist women who are active supporters and participants by working against their own gender. I think of them as co-dependents in enabling ”
    bingo!
    .
    AO . ” Credlin has been a driver of the sexist campaign that has been mounted from the start against gillard, ”
    bingo!
    .
    AO . ” it results from the imported teabaggers that have made their way into abbott’s offices. ”
    bingo!
    .
    AO . ” the sexism has been an organised and deliberate ”
    bingo!
    .
    AO . ” campaign strategy by the opposition right from the start and credlin is the spinner behind it. ”
    bingo!
    .
    AO .. ” he always has been sexist, it comes from his catholicism. ”
    bingo!

  118. October 16, 2012 3:54 am

    Abortion Worrying
    Another big-cult, small-idea.
    Proudly brought to you from an Arse-Clown near you.

  119. public toilet permalink
    October 17, 2012 4:54 am

    Persona non grata…

  120. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:46 am

    ‘FILES detailing Julia Gillard’s role in helping set up a union slush fund, from which her former boyfriend stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, have disappeared.

    ‘The law firm Slater & Gordon said yesterday it could find no documents relating to the work done by Ms Gillard, a former salaried partner of the firm, in establishing the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association in 1992.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/law-firm-has-no-record-of-gillard-files-on-slush-fund-20121016-27pj0.html#ixzz29UsIsbjR

  121. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 9:08 am

    Macquarie Dictionary are expanding the meaning of the word “misogynist” it seems. In other news there is no apparent truth to the rumour that “bitch” will be expanded to include “ally” or “friend” amongst its definitions.

  122. Tom R permalink
    October 17, 2012 10:21 am

    Breaking news

    Law firm deletes documents after statute of limitations runs out.

    And they wonder why papers are going broke 😯

  123. Tom R permalink
    October 17, 2012 10:41 am

    Breaking news

    PM forces dictionary to keep up with society 😉

    Wonder when they will be updating ‘Carbon Price’ to mean ‘Carbon Tax’

  124. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 11:06 am

    Oh dear, it appears our Prime Minister is now the subject of a Victoria Police investigation.

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 11:31 am

    Oh dear, it appears our Prime Minister is now the subject of a Victoria Police investigation.

    Your evidence would be useful, James …

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 11:34 am

    I see that there is a rush to redefine ‘misogyny’ following Gillard’s defense of ‘misogynist’ Speaker Peter Slipper.

    I had no idea that the definition had changed, from women hater to something that is pretty well interchangeable with ‘sexist’.

    I think though, the onus is on Gillard to clearly identify and explain the definition she was using.

  127. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 11:49 am

    Note use of the word “appears”, TB. Michael Smith has referred all his stuff to the Vic Police Commissioner this morning. Upon receipt, the Commissioner will be duty bound to launch some form of investigation.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 11:50 am

    I also noticed in recent interviews with Gillard that she is using reasonably accurate pronunciation.

    She is using the correct ‘t’ in place of her traditional ‘d’ – ‘obbortunity’. It’s an improvement.

    So she is slightly less cringe inducing when overseas.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 12:05 pm

    Note use of the word “appears” …

    Sure did, James, notice all the weasel words … a link would be noice … we’re obviously not all as well connected (or read) as thyself …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I had no idea that the definition had changed, from women hater to something that is pretty well interchangeable with ‘sexist’.

    Yer a few days behind Bill Safire and I … I see, ToM … “everday” use often changes or enhances the use or meanings of words … as Macquarie Dictionary points out …

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 12:13 pm

    S’alright, James, just read it …

  131. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 12:19 pm

    Not weasel words, TB, just appropriate use of the English language. It’s useful especially when it means I don’t have to write to the Macquarie Dictionary people to make alterations to the meanings of words to suit past utterances.

  132. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 1:01 pm

    ‘obbortunity’. It’s an improvement.’

    Indeed…just goes to show bogons (sic) can be reformed.

  133. October 17, 2012 1:23 pm

    Just in case you’re interested…

    Pundits are already calling the second debate a win for Obama (even though it’s still underway)…

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 1:29 pm

    TB, I think the definition is all in the rear vision mirror to justify Gillard’s attack.

    I’ve never heard “misogynist” used as a synonym for sexist. It has always has the , ingredient of hatred.

    Other than Gillard’s use of it, can anyone point to a contemporary article and paper that uses “misogynist” in place of the relatively mild “sexist”.

    But nonetheless, it is up to Gillard to explain her actual intention in using the word. Did she mean sexist or woman hater?

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 1:30 pm

    “had the ingredient”

  136. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 1:33 pm

    Does “pundits” mean Obama’s Facebook page?

  137. October 17, 2012 1:35 pm

    correct snacty!!! 🙂

  138. October 17, 2012 1:44 pm

    ABC calling it a win for Obama…

  139. October 17, 2012 2:15 pm

    ” Pundits are already calling the second debate a win for Obama
    (even though it’s still underway) ”
    ” ABC calling it a win for Obama ”
    Yes reb, my abc have become quite `unhinged` today,
    they are very excited to have discovered
    another Tony Jones in India.

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 2:58 pm

    Not weasel words, TB, just appropriate use of the English language

    Well that’s about time! And you’ve found a dictionary too! Wonders will never cease …

    BTW, is the Michael Smith, information civil or criminal?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    More edification for ToM ….

    According to sociologist Allan G. Johnson, “misogyny is a cultural attitude of hatred for females because they are female.” Johnson argues that:

    “Misogyny …. is a central part of sexist prejudice and ideology and, as such, is an important basis for the oppression of females in male-dominated societies. Misogyny is manifested in many different ways, from jokes to pornography to violence to the self-contempt women may be taught to feel toward their own bodies.”[3]

    Michael Flood defines misogyny as the hatred of women, and notes:

    “Though most common in men, misogyny also exists in and is practiced by women against other women or even themselves. Misogyny functions as an ideology or belief system that has accompanied patriarchal, or male-dominated societies for thousands of years and continues to place women in subordinate positions with limited access to power and decision making. […] Aristotle contended that women exist as natural deformities or imperfect males […] Ever since, women in Western cultures have internalised their role as societal scapegoats, influenced in the twenty-first century by multimedia objectification of women with its culturally sanctioned self-loathing and fixations on plastic surgery, anorexia and bulimia.”[4]

    Dictionaries define misogyny as ‘hatred of women'[5][6][7] and as “hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women”.[8]

  141. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:04 pm

    If the cops are involved it’s criminal.

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:07 pm

    Worried about the word “misogyny”?

    Thais’ll really get ya juices going!

    MOST people struggle with calling their parents by their first names, so imagine having to use a number instead.
    France’s new socialist party want to eradicate the terms “mother” and “father”.

    If their proposed bill is passed in parliament, French children will instead call their guardians “parent 1” and “parent 2”.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/get-rid-of-mum-and-dad-replace-with-numbers/story-fnet08ui-1226497561870#ixzz29WfcjK7J

    😯 🙄

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:09 pm

    If the cops are involved it’s criminal.

    Erm, only, Smith, involved them by sending his notes … so what could the criminal charges be?

  144. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:26 pm

    It is an offence to falsely witness a legal document to start with. The Power of Attorney was allegedly witnessed on 4 February 1993 yet not signed by Mr Blewitt until sometime after 13 February 1993.

    Smith has reported a crime, the police have, I understand, stated that the crime will be investigated. To the extent that it is a crime, the criminal is Julia Gillard.

  145. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:32 pm

    Thank the gods for our resident legal expert.

  146. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:36 pm

    Keep it atheist please, Gordo.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:38 pm

    Parent 1 sounds fine, much more engaging than “mum” or some other term that breeds a misogynistic, women suppressing culture.

  148. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:45 pm

    Who gets to be parent 1 and who gets to be parent 2? If the father gets to be parent 1 I have no problem with it.

  149. October 17, 2012 3:47 pm

    These French are so behind the times. Ask any true mormon and they will tell you there is wife number 1, wife number 2, wife number 3, wife number 4. Even Arizona won`t be arguing about that.

  150. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 3:48 pm

    I think the “moderator’s” ill-advised “intervention” on behalf of Obama as regards Benghazi will end up seeing the outcome beneficial to Romney.

  151. October 17, 2012 3:54 pm

    WTF…?? She told Romney he was wrong and she was right…

    How could that possibly be “beneficial” for Romney…?? It made him look like a total goose….

  152. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 4:04 pm

    Because she wasn’t right. In the speech Obama mentioned terrorism in relation to it being the day after 9/11, not in relation to the attack on Benghazi. And that fits in with the narrative for some time after that, that it was in response to the Youtube clip, when all along they knew it was a terrorist attack.

  153. October 17, 2012 4:14 pm

    Unlike the conservative mind, language is not static and inert, pining for change to cease or reverse, but well alive and constantly moving about.

    As Bill Safire noted earlier, Hillary Clinton was using the word “misogyny” in the same manner as Julia Gillard did recently, as far back as 2008.

    In 2002, the Oxford English Dictionary online (subscription version) changed its definition of misogyny to “hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.”

    That was a decade ago. Are progressives to believe that such a word has not evolved further since?

    Even the much maligned Wikipedia notes:
    According to feminist theory, misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.

    All the conservative mind has left to cling to is an ancient definition of a word used by the Prime Minister in her eminent speech.

  154. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 4:25 pm

    If you’re going to return as several different anonymous characters, at least have the dignity not to refer to your own work.

  155. October 17, 2012 4:28 pm

    Hey sancty, is the several characters `egg` or `reb`

  156. October 17, 2012 4:39 pm

    FK me do u honestly think I’m “egg…?”

    😯

  157. October 17, 2012 4:44 pm

    No I don`t think you are `egg` reb, I was asking about the `mystery` characters that drop in, that sancty mentioned. ..
    IE Language Evolves

  158. October 17, 2012 4:51 pm

    Oh I see.. No I don’t know who the “mystery character” is but they have the same IP address so assume the three posts (so far) are from the same person…

  159. October 17, 2012 4:59 pm

    I always thought the `mystery` characters were egg anyway, similar humor.

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 5:15 pm

    Who gets to be parent 1 and who gets to be parent 2?
    Mmmmm … crossed my mind too …

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 5:20 pm

    egg, is humourous? Please explain … 😯

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 5:25 pm

    That’s interesting that Gillard has used language in parliament that does not reflect reasonable and common usage.

    Great defense to “misogyny” ….”but, but, but…she didn’t mean it the way most people use it”

  163. October 17, 2012 5:25 pm

    well eggs comments are often quite `scrambled` and `nonsensical`

  164. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 5:27 pm

    Amusing 7.30…I think TB has already used that line, before your time.

  165. October 17, 2012 5:28 pm

    and right on cue, egg returns LOL

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 5:38 pm

    And (s)he’s boiling! 730 …. (s)he’s pretty hard though … 😛

  167. October 17, 2012 5:42 pm

    “egg returns”

    was he poached?

  168. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 17, 2012 6:09 pm

    No it’s not Gordo or Reb. It’s one inspired by the absence, hopefully temporarily, of Tony.

  169. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 6:14 pm

    ‘was he poached?’

    Funny you should mention it…the editor at the kaf says I’m no longer a troll. So I’m hopeful of getting another guest post.

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 6:25 pm

    That’s nice el gordo. Though being welcomed by them is not exactly an endorsement of intellect.

  171. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 6:41 pm

    Its ok Tom, I’m not that bright.

  172. October 17, 2012 7:07 pm

    “I think the “moderator’s” ill-advised “intervention” on behalf of Obama as regards Benghazi will end up seeing the outcome beneficial to Romney.”

    *hat tip to Bolt…

  173. October 17, 2012 7:11 pm

    “Macquarie Dictionary are expanding the meaning of the word “misogynist” it seems. In other news there is no apparent truth to the rumour that “bitch” will be expanded to include “ally” or “friend” amongst its definitions.”

    * hat tip to Bolt…

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:12 pm

    I hope this isn’t “misogynistic”

  175. October 17, 2012 7:15 pm

    That’s interesting that Gillard has used language in parliament that does not reflect reasonable and common usage.

    Interesting, because it ‘appears’ that the reason they are changing it is to keep up with ‘reasonable and common usage.’ 😯

    Oh, and to keep up with the Oxford English Dictionary, who included the expanded definition in their 2002 update.

    Isn’t it great to have a PM who is more in tune with the common language than anybody in the press gallery (and me too) 😉

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:20 pm

    I suppose Tom R, most people could reasonably expect the PM to use language that conveys a clear and unambiguous message. But apparently that’s not the way this PM talks.

    If she means old time sexist, she should say so. If she means women hater, she should say “misogynist”. As it is, the public does not know whether she meant to say Abbott is a women hater, or an old fashioned sexist.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:26 pm

    It’s one inspired by the absence, hopefully temporarily, of Tony.

    Don’t think so … but if it is … I’m comfortable with both parties being on board … are you?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    * hat tip to Bolt…

    So TDT is just a repeating station, Seer Tee? FMD!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I hope this isn’t misandry …

    (was going to load an Abbott “gaffe” but there’s so many … here’s the link … your choice!

    ToM! Stop being so friggin’ childish, repetitive, predictable and pedantic and some of us might actually listen to what you have to say!

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tony+abbott+gaffes&oq=Abbott+gaffes&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0i5.91.12163.0.13771.13.13.0.0.0.0.220.1942.5j2j6.13.0…0.0…1ac.1.Nc_WCoXtpQU

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:29 pm

    As it is, the public does not know whether she meant to say Abbott is a women hater, or an old fashioned sexist.

    ToM … you are NOT the fkn public … 🙄 I Am Fkn Legend or somfink!

    I know what the PM meant and so does 90% of the WORLD! Get out more … talking to yourself on a surfboard doesn’t improve you concept of the world … as Tony Abbott demonstrates daily …

  179. October 17, 2012 7:31 pm

    Tony wasn’t big on links, just sayin’…

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:34 pm

    sreb, I think, James , was referring to N5 … but I’m not convinced of “style” (hard to change too) … interesting game though … 🙂

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:35 pm

    OT – slowly changing all our house lights to LED – the technology has really come of age!

  182. October 17, 2012 7:35 pm

    I suppose Tom R, most people could reasonably expect the PM to use language that conveys a clear and unambiguous message

    You mean like one defined in the Oxford English Dictionary?

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:42 pm

    You mean like one defined in the Oxford English Dictionary?

    I have yet to see that, TomR … the online and my Oxford Shorter, 1993, (the monster of Oxfords doesn’t show it … and the “wanderer” poster indicted it was in the “online subscriber” edition … I find that rather indefensible … why two definitions?

  184. October 17, 2012 7:42 pm

    It is probably also timely to recall that Gillard only used the term misogyny after tabot had accused Slipper of being one, and said that ‘if’ Slipper was one, what does that make tabot?

    One wonders why the media aren’t up in arms about tabots use of the term to try and rail-road someone from their position, considering the manner with which they have (wrongly) attacked the PM for the same use of the term?

  185. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:43 pm

    ‘ToM! Stop being so friggin’ childish, repetitive, predictable and pedantic and some of us might actually listen to what you have to say!’

    I find ToM readable, understandable and humorous. What exactly is your problem?

  186. October 17, 2012 7:45 pm

    If I had to guess, I’d say that Tony’s nose has been put out of joint… & pride, along with comments since his departure, will prevent any sort of return.

    But who the hell am I to speculate on the inner machinations of the minds of others. I’m probably way off the mark.

  187. October 17, 2012 7:47 pm

    why two definitions?

    Could be because English is an ever adapting language.

    Which is both its strength and its weakness

  188. October 17, 2012 7:48 pm

    I doubt that that’s N5.

    Snacty has an N5 nervous tick.

    Insinuating that N5 is somehow comfortable to return because Tony left is BS, imo. N5 is neither the arch prick he is sometimes painted as, nor a coward hiding from combative rightards.

    Just sayin’…

  189. October 17, 2012 7:49 pm

    I’m still wondering what I said/did to upset ToSY..

  190. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:49 pm

    Toilet, I form my own views and will always state when I am channelling the opinions of others.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:52 pm

    Could be because English is an ever adapting language.

    Which is both its strength and its weakness

    Don’t be silly, TomR, it’s the same bloody dictionary!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    HEAR! HEAR! Ser Tee! (the Imp has just tasted the water of Blackwater … )

  192. October 17, 2012 7:53 pm

    Macquarie Dictionary editor Sue Butler told The Australian Financial Review today the political debate on the subject highlighted the need to expand the meaning of the word in its next edition.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/misogyny-definition-changes-with-the-times/story-e6frg6nf-1226497577596

    ‘highlighted the need’ is the money quote there. The speech didn’t change the meaning, just highlighted how misunderstood it had become with its modern usage..

  193. October 17, 2012 7:55 pm

    it’s the same bloody dictionary

    Not necessarily. The online one may well be out of date. You cannot expect a free online version to mirror the latest edition. And your version was a 1993 (or something), the meaning was updated in 2002 (it appears)

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 7:59 pm

    I’m still wondering what I said/did to upset ToSY..

    Yeah I thought that .. but he got huffy over something I said but never told me what it was … and did a Farnham then … must be lifestyle, medication, ecodynamics, socioeconomics … WGAF … at my age I’ve had so many people just fuck off out of my life because for no apparent reason and then found out … THEY had a problem … I really don’t give a shit about virtual precious princesses … I’ve got enough in my real world … 😯

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:00 pm

    I like Tony’s contribution. He was sharp and witty*. Certainly not characteristics of a sniper.

    I liked N5 too, (s)he has sharp and witty*.

    *these are characteristics that are common among contributors here.

  196. October 17, 2012 8:01 pm

    Amazing parallels, snacty, amazing parallels.

    An insight into the conservative hive mind.

    Pure coincidence, of course.

    Conservatives have trouble forcing square pegs into round holes.

  197. October 17, 2012 8:02 pm

    N5 is on the record confirming his masculinity, way back when. I see no reason to doubt him.

  198. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:03 pm

    I think ToSY said the blogmasta was ‘baiting’ him.

    A public apology is not expected anytime soon, but in relation to jaws nothing less than a personal apology will woo him back.

    Its the sin of moderation.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:03 pm

    And your version was a 1993 (or something), the meaning was updated in 2002 (it appears)

    My version is paper … books … two bloody great volumes that cost me $300 AND yes they are out of date that was my point … but to peddle an online version that is also out of date TEN years later is ludicrous and I don’t believe it …

    And TomR FYI I had posted BEFORE Safire … my reasoning … you might want to recheck that … it’s just that I haven’t “sighted” what people are “quoting” … that bothers me …

  200. October 17, 2012 8:03 pm

    My sentiments exactly TB….!!!

    My “real life” is eventful enough (particularly at this present point in time) without having to psychoanalyse our fellow contributors or our motivations.

    Fuck me. It’s just a blog!!

  201. October 17, 2012 8:07 pm

    “but in relation to jaws nothing less than a personal apology will woo him back.”

    Why don’t you give ‘im one then.

    (A public apology I mean…:

  202. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:07 pm

    ‘Fuck me. It’s just a blog!!’

    You”re too modest.

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:08 pm

    Really, Gillard owes the public clarification. Did she decide that Abbott is a traditional misogynist or did she mean the new version?

    If the words of a Prime Minister are ambiguous, they need to resolve it.

    But it again demonstrates that Gillard confuses the meaning of verbal and written words.

    • A written agreement – isn’t to be adhered to.
    • A “tax” isn’t one.
    • “young & naïve” can be up to 40? (does a professional woman, 30+ stop being “young”?)

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:10 pm

    “eventful real life” – I was surfing in Byron Bay over the weekend. But TB thinks I spend too much time on a board. People that surf also chat while waiting.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:11 pm

    I liked N5 too, (s)he has sharp and witty*.

    Read Blogocrats last (Very last) post … from ABBA ie N5 … that you lost all that, is of some concern … ToM ..

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    N5 is on the record confirming his masculinity, way back when. I see no reason to doubt him.

    Ser Tee, I confess to “outing” ABBA/N5 …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think ToSY said the blogmasta was ‘baiting’ him.

    Nah, he disagreed with him … sreb, baits me … I’m still here? We all bait you, you’re still here … we all bait each other FFS!

    A public apology is not expected anytime soon, but in relation to jaws nothing less than a personal apology will woo him back.

    Wally is his own worst (nasty) enemy .. I only know of a you and few boohoos who would agree … and anapology for what FFS …

    Its the sin of moderation.

    Sin my arse … the way this and all of sreb’s sites have been run it’s amazing that some of the posters havn’t had a bomb up their arse long before this … tread carefully … egg …

  206. October 17, 2012 8:17 pm

    I like Tony’s contribution. He was sharp and witty

    I AGREE!!

    (I feel all dirty now)

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:17 pm

    People that surf also chat while waiting.

    Mate.l I’ve been to Byron Bay more than a few times … (remember where I reside) and I’ve had a few “mumbling” converations with the locals and “permanent” visitors occasionally … LOL!

    Next time your wallowing slowly waiting for the “next one” and chatting away slip in a special question … “so, how much tax did you pay last year” …

    Try the Hog’s Breath there, great views on the deck and my fave tucker! LOL!

  208. October 17, 2012 8:19 pm

    Really, Gillard owes the public clarification.

    Over 2million viewers appear to ‘get it’. Globally, millions more ‘get it’. It appears just a small coterie of individuals in the land of oz don’t/ Strange that.

  209. October 17, 2012 8:19 pm

    “Fuck me. It’s just a blog!!”

    Indeed! Reb’s house, reb’s rules.

    “… the way this and all of sreb’s sites have been run it’s amazing that some of the posters havn’t had a bomb up their arse long before this …”

    Strongly agree!

    I think Tony left because he felt as though he was being mischaracterised. Just conjecture on my part.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:22 pm

    I like Tony’s contribution. He was sharp and witty

    So did I … not sure about “sharp and witty” … but clever and articulate … I enjoyed some of my conversations with ToSY (my acronym BTW – in a friendly way) …

    I have no idea why he pulled the pin … he had plenty of right wing support … maybe he thought he was more academic centre that the other right winger here … anyway I wish him well wherever he rests his weary bones … apparently, sreb, is the arsehole … 😆

  211. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:24 pm

    Wally is witty and I apologise to him for my ill humoured friends.

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:27 pm

    Wally is witty? and I’m ill humoured … so, egg, what are you?

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:38 pm

    I shall sleep on that before I reply,… histry an all tha, Jummy …

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 8:38 pm

    Two million tune in to watch a verbal stoush isn’t necessarily endorsement of the definition of “misogyny” that the Gillard fan club now subscribe to.
    It means that a lot of people enjoyed watching a woman with a drawl shout at a man.
    ——————–
    Did I mention that I like this blog?

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2012 9:08 pm

    Things change and problems take on a realistic proportion with time (and a decent red)!

  216. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 9:11 pm

    I’ve known blogs to drift for years without a captain.

  217. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 9:14 pm

    ‘sometimes a life isn’t worth saving when you think about it.’

    You’re taking life far too seriously.

  218. el gordo permalink
    October 17, 2012 9:18 pm

    ‘so, egg, what are you?’

    I appreciate the humour, but I’m not particularly funny…I need to laugh and retain my sanity.

  219. October 17, 2012 10:18 pm

    I hope you’re joking, reb. 😉 🙂

    You are highly valued.

  220. October 18, 2012 8:15 am

    ” the editor at the kaf says I’m no longer a troll. ”
    The editor at the kaf isn`t paying attention! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  221. October 18, 2012 8:27 am

    ” virtues of a rightard clearing house ”
    The thought-mud is still pretty sticky in the posts,
    I dare not read the comments.

  222. October 18, 2012 9:04 am

    ” the editor at the kaf says I’m no longer a troll. ”

    Although, grodo disagreed with him on that point 😯

    Then complains about being called a troll

    😆 😆 😆 😆

  223. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 9:11 am

    I don’t complain anymore because trolls have recently been redefined as ‘creatives’ when they are not malicious. So I’m out and proud.

  224. October 18, 2012 9:11 am

    OxfordWords @Mikeah44 Thanks for asking. The OED updated its definition 9 years ago to reflect the changing usage of ‘misogyny’:

    misogyny, n.

    Pronunciation: Brit. /mᵻˈsɒdʒᵻni/ , /mʌɪˈsɒdʒᵻni/ , U.S. /məˈsɑdʒəni/
    Forms: 16 misoginy, 16 misogynie, 18– misogyny, 19– misogeny (irreg.).
    Etymology: < Hellenistic Greek μισογυνία < ancient Greek μισογύνης (see misogynist n.) + …

    Hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.

  225. October 18, 2012 9:22 am

  226. October 18, 2012 9:25 am

    From TV News Abc1
    Swan brewery in WA is closing due to producing at
    1/3 capacity. Brands will now be made in SA.
    80 WA Jobs will be Lost.

  227. October 18, 2012 9:30 am

    ” trolls have recently been redefined as ‘creatives’ ”
    the kaf must be suffering over-exposure to creativity these days

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 10:00 am

    Fine, Gillard has used confusing and ambiguous language. She has a record of doing this.

    She chose to use the word “misogynist”, which might mean “woman hater” or “sexist”.

    Which did she mean? If Gillard’s choice of words causes uncertainty about what she means, she should clarify her intention.

  229. October 18, 2012 10:58 am

    Gillard has used confusing and ambiguous language

    Good thing she didn’t try and explain what a ‘audited’ means.:lol:

    It is quite obvious that, according to the people whose life is words, Gillard was quite succinct in her meaning. And she was very deliberate in her intention of labeling tabot a ‘misogynist’

    She has a record of doing this.

    You mean like promising on the eve of the election to introduce a ‘Carbon Price’ as opposed to a ‘Carbon Tax’, only to find out following the election that the media and their mates the opposition have decided that they now ‘appear’ to mean the same thing. Talk about confusing and ambiguous 😯

  230. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 11:23 am

    Breaking News!!!!

    Macquarie Dictionary have changed the definition of “pursue” to include “introduce”!!

  231. October 18, 2012 11:29 am

    Breaking News

    The word ‘possibility’ still means ‘possibility’

    “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,” she said of the next parliament. “I rule out a carbon tax.”

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 11:32 am

    No Tom R, Gillard’s ambiguous use of language includes-
    * ‘young & naive’= middle aged professional
    * agreement, in writing, signed= not worth the paper it’s written on
    * ‘slush fund’= bona fide training program
    * tax= tax
    * ‘misogynist’= sexist

  233. October 18, 2012 11:34 am

    tax= tax

    Exactly, except that now, a ‘price’ is also a tax

    Ah, the evolving English language. Funnily though, the wordsmiths agree with the PM, yet not with her opponents.

    Bloody lefties, the lot of ’em 😉

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 11:50 am

    Hmm… testing…

    tax= tax

  235. October 18, 2012 12:08 pm

    Dominic Knight via twitter:

    “Judi Dench’s M calling Bond a “sexist, misogynist dinosaur” in GoldenEye (1995) is proof that the term doesn’t only mean “hates women”.”

  236. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 12:11 pm

    TomR, for your theory to be accurate, you need to ignore statements to the effect of building community consensus, climate commission, legislation after 2013 etc. You know this. It has been explained to you many times. Yet you continue to trot out the same line.

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 12:12 pm

    So we acan all move on from misogynist now … only took how many days … 🙄

  238. October 18, 2012 12:25 pm

    You know this. It has been explained to you many times. Yet you continue to trot out the same line.

    And as I have pointed out every time, that is never the argument. It is always ‘she lied’. Try starting the argument on the basis you mentioned, and we will see what occurs.

    So we acan all move on from misogynist now

    We have, it’s now ‘tax’ and ‘price’ (reb will love that) 🙂

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 12:34 pm

    FMD!

  240. October 18, 2012 12:34 pm

    And TB will too it ‘appears’ 😉

  241. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 1:00 pm

    And as I have pointed out every time, that is never the argument. It is always ‘she lied’. Try starting the argument on the basis you mentioned, and we will see what occurs.

    She did lie. Because it is reduced to its simplest form as regards the Carbon Tax and the specifics of the meaning of “tax” can vaguely be argued by the likes of you doesn’t change the story that Gillard told and was received by the vast majority of the constituency prior to the last election which was that she would prosecute the case for some form of carbon pricing mechanism in the current Parliament but nothing would be legislated to take effect before the next Parliament. In other words, any mechanism would be taken to an election.

  242. October 18, 2012 1:17 pm

    Because it is reduced to its simplest form as regards the Carbon Tax and the specifics of the meaning of “tax” can vaguely be argued

    The only problem with that argument snacty, is that the Carbon Tax was used as an argument AGAINST having a Market Based mechanism. It was a unique and differentiated policy platform, yet, following the election, they somehow became the same. tabot even argued in favor of a Carbon Tax instead of the market based solution.

    The Carbon Tax used to apply to a consumption based tax, and the Carbon Price (market Based) to a production based price (or tax). But now, they are the same thing. Bewildering.

  243. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 1:21 pm

    A minority guvmint gave joolya the opportunity to move from price to tax. It was opportunistic and reprehensible.

  244. October 18, 2012 1:30 pm

    It seems like the Left half of the duopoly are Losing the arguments today. Even egg is scoring points.

  245. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 1:32 pm

    Abbott NEVER argued in favour of a Carbon Tax. He argued that in the event that a price HAD to be placed on Carbon, the most efficient way to do it was in the form of a simple tax. That is not the same as arguing in favour of a Carbon Tax.

    And again you have slid away from the fundamental dishonesty of Julia Gillard. She promised one thing before the election, in the knowledge that there could well be a hung Parliament, and delivered the opposite.

  246. October 18, 2012 1:36 pm

    She promised one thing before the election, and delivered it

    Fixed it for ya snacty 😉

    “I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,”

    Well, looky at what we got, a Carbon Price, a market based mechanism

    Love to see you try and plug a tax into Europe’s scheme 😆

  247. October 18, 2012 1:43 pm

    This carbon price tax won`t do anything except make Life harder for those at the bottom of the economic Ladder. Much Like the GST did, or Joolya and Mr-Rabbits Pension Cuts.

  248. October 18, 2012 1:48 pm

    This carbon price tax won`t do anything except make Life harder for those at the bottom of the economic Ladder

    Guess you forgot about the compensation, so, while the price itself might make things tougher, the package will even things out.

    Not only that, but it already looks to be working, after SA revealed that it’s power prices are starting to fall

    THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia’s power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

    I particularly agree with this point

    But energy analyst Hugh Saddler said that, at its current level, the carbon price was ”more important as a statement of intent”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/power-pollution-plunges-20121017-27rn9.html#ixzz29bsuUNjz

  249. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 1:50 pm

    Linked it for ya, TomR.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

    Note the bits about trigger after 2013 and consensus. Pretty clear to me. She lied.

  250. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 1:51 pm

    And I don’t wish to plug anything into the European scheme. FFS how stupid would that be?

  251. October 18, 2012 2:00 pm

    So which coal generator gets turned off, dismantled, and when.?

  252. October 18, 2012 2:01 pm

    And I don’t wish to plug anything into the European scheme.

    Your likes or dislikes are irrelevant to the discussion at this point. The simple fact is, a market based mechanism can be plugged into Europe’s market based mechanism. A tax would find that accomplishment very difficult 😉

    I also agree that all of the triggers weren’t there. But nobody has argued about that. All they claim is she promised not to introduce the Carbon Tax, which, quite obviously, she hasn’t. She has brought in what was promised 6 months early. End of the world 😆

  253. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 2:22 pm

    She promised it would in effect be taken to the people. That is at the heart of her lie. The people went to the election knowing it wasn’t going to be a choice to introduce a carbon tax, price or otherwise. That is the great deception. Like anything in politics, it is reduced to soundbites, as you did with your quote above, but the people went to an election believing she would do one thing and she did the opposite.

    She lied.

  254. October 18, 2012 2:34 pm

    as you did with your quote above

    😆

    The one time I don’t put the link up, after having done it dozens of times before.

    She lied. reduced to the sounbite 😆

  255. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 2:34 pm

    Excuse me gentlemen, please…there is another thread, you know the one.

  256. October 18, 2012 2:43 pm

    Is that the `gas-room` egg.?

  257. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 2:55 pm

    I wasn’t criticising you for reducing it, everyone does, necessarily for the type of argument. But if you reject the notion of a reduced “Carbon Tax” expression then you must necessarily also reject the notion of “pursue carbon price” expression. The whole promise, the whole narrative, was that there would be nothing, NOTHING, implemented before the electorate had a chance to look at it and vote on it.

    Therefore she lied.

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 2:58 pm

    She lied. its here … (so’s the sky) … prices aren’t all that bad … income tax and concessions for families (which I’m sure you won’t want to give back) are working … and egg and I got a rise in our pension …

    get orf ya fkn white charger and join the party …

  259. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 3:01 pm

    No concessions for me and that’s not the point.

  260. October 18, 2012 3:11 pm

    ..and vote on it.

    OK, now you’re really grasping

  261. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 3:17 pm

    OK, now you’re really grasping

    How so? If nothing were to be implemented before the next election it would necessarily be put to the electorate would it not?

  262. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 3:30 pm

    I’ve said it before, here and elsewhere, she screwed very small business and lost their vote.

  263. October 18, 2012 3:42 pm

    She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.

    Well, considering the ‘consensus’ was obtained (she got the votes), then it was what she promised. It came in earlier, but, even if it wasn’t ‘triggered’ until after another election, the legislation would have been through. The legislation is what counts, the starting date is purely academic. And, if that is your argument, then the argument should be that the PM promised to legislate a Carbon Price next term, that wouldn’t be implemented until the following term. She has instead legislated one that is starting earlier than proposed.

    Maybe you could point me to that argument, cos all I’ve seen is,’She said no Carbon Tax’

    That is demonstrably false.

  264. October 18, 2012 4:05 pm

    The compensation argument does not hold water now that the womens pensions have been cut this week. It will hold less water if there are more cuts.

  265. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 18, 2012 4:08 pm

    So legislation can’t be repealed before implementation? Give me strength.

  266. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 4:15 pm

    The unforeseen consequences of the tax is the reduction in consumption, which is putting the power generators in an awkward position. The coal companies are not happy either, so it now appears that prices will have to rise to compensate.

    Think I got that right.

  267. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 4:19 pm

    This is a few days old…

    ‘A MAJOR brown-coal power station in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley will cut production by operating only three of its four units, prompting new warnings that the federal renewable energy target is threatening the sustainability of the electricity market.

    ‘The Australian can reveal that Energy Australia will today announce it will scale back electricity generation at the Gippsland-based Yallourn power station. The company says the carbon price, which started on July 1, is driving up operating costs while wholesale electricity prices are weak and demand for electricity is plunging.’

    Annabel Hepworth and Pia Akerman in the Oz.

  268. October 18, 2012 4:26 pm

    Yes, I would say demand is falling. Many of us have been trying to reduce our power use/bills, but it only results in the companies increasing their charges. This is why I think the carbon tax will end up failing.

  269. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 4:27 pm

    Here’s the latest spin from Fairfax…

    http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/carbon-tax-contributes-to-emissions-drop-20121017-27rl6.html

  270. October 18, 2012 4:49 pm

    Yeah, it is spin egg, the price increases have from the distributors and retailers gouging us, but the tax will continue even if everything is solar tomorrow. Dud deal.

  271. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 5:17 pm

    ‘Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax.

    ‘On the first sitting day of Parliament under a Coalition Government, I will introduce legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax.

    ‘The first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax.’

    Tony Abbott

  272. October 18, 2012 5:39 pm

    So legislation can’t be repealed before implementation

    It can be repealed after too, according to tabot 😉

    The unforeseen consequences of the tax is the reduction in consumption

    Actually grodo, that’s one of it’s bloody aims.

    so it now appears that prices will have to rise to compensate.

    ❓ SA is discovering the opposite, according to the report I put up.

    Think I got that right.

    Not yet, but keep garbling nouns and adjectives together, it might happen sooner or later 😉

    Annabel Hepworth and Pia Akerman in the Oz.

    😆

    but the tax will continue even if everything is solar tomorrow.

    SUCCESS!! 🙂

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 6:37 pm

    Tom R – ” Well, considering the ‘consensus’ was obtained (she got the votes), then it was what she promised.

    I think we all know that this isn’t true. You need to do a **sarcasm alert** with that comment.

    1. not before June 2013
    2. use the term to build community consensus
    3. BIG committee

    …still, we know that language changes, and maybe –
    1. “2013” now means “2012”
    2. “community consensus” now means “whatever is expedient”
    3. “BIG committee” means “we need to get a single vote off the Greens in the HoR”

  274. October 18, 2012 6:52 pm

    3. “Carbon Tax” means “Carbon Tax” (2010)
    4. “Carbon Tax” means “Carbon Price” (2011)
    5. “Excel Macro” means “Audit” (for libs any-time)
    6. “Opposition” means “Not The GOVERNMENT” (For Good) 🙂

  275. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 6:53 pm

    ‘Actually grodo, that’s one of it’s bloody aims.’

    That’s the carbon dioxide is a pollutant meme.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:07 pm

    WOW! Where do I start!

    No concessions for me and that’s not the point.

    BS … if you or your wife work you got an income tax break … if you have children you got additional support …

    The compensation argument does not hold water now that the womens pensions have been cut this week.

    Nothing to do with a carbon tax … but … if they earned anything they did get a tax break … and if they have children (oh .. wait) they get additional support … (seriously I have railed both here and on news.com.au and in the real world … about this stupid non ALP decision)

    The unforeseen consequences of the tax is the reduction in consumption, which is putting the power generators in an awkward position.

    Yes, I would say demand is falling.

    FMD! UNFORSEEN … duh … Its supposed to DO that … I’ve just spent thousands of dollars upgrading my solar system by a factor of three … and before that, thousands of dollars renovating the roof of my house of 29 years (no, I didn’t paint the thing – how dumb) … today we installed two solatube “skylights” – (highly recommended) – our originals where removed for solar panels, more thousands of dollars … yesterday I installed LED lights with more to come … hundreds of dollars … do you think my consumption of grid power will reduce?

    Instead of whinging about power pricing … get off your arses and do what you can to help yourselves …

    Yeah, it is spin egg, the price increases have from the distributors and retailers gouging us, but the tax will continue even if everything is solar tomorrow

    Solar is not he answer to the world’s power woes never will be (but it can help you) … BTW – the reason we have “retailers” gauging is ’cause they were conned just as we were and the regulators are “owned” … IMHO the less governments can “own” you the better … they’re all the same … Fuckwits™ … they couldn’t find a smell in a fart factory … so they “engage” other Fuckwits™ to do it for them … we drink our own water not town water and are looking at another 5000l tank … (Warning only buy a stainless steel tank to drink from)…

    ‘Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax. etc. etc. etc.

    And what about the “Compensation Package”? Will that be repealed too?

    I have no idea how old you are, egg, or what you are … your just an, egg, to me … so research … Kim Beasley’s promise to wind back the GST … the same “scrambled egg” (journo’s description – not mine … but hey, how appropriate?) .. that, The Mad Monk, would face with the Carbon Tax (hint, Abbott will not lead the LibNits to the next election – he’s a sacrificial lamb – and that’s appropriate too) … and families and pensioners and low paid workers would simply FKN REVOLT!

  277. October 18, 2012 7:11 pm

    ” success ”
    It is not a success, it is all bullshit.
    Success would be if we had strong Leaders with vision, prepared to invest Long term, with policy that was Long term and the parliament was not an `us` and `them` game and all politicians were acting in the national interest and engaged in nation building, not just selling off the farm and having privatization fever.

    Success would mean we would have had solar installs already in place. For those who don`t understand, google Las Vegas Nevada, and how it is powered.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:16 pm

    That’s the carbon dioxide is a pollutant meme.

    Nup! It’s “living today” meme … never ever rely on governments’s to help you (of any colour) ’cause they won’t … especially if it’s in thier own interests not to … (and it usually is!)

  279. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:18 pm

    ‘I have no idea how old you are, egg,’

    Your age old son and I’m not buying renewables on principle.

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:21 pm

    CORRECTION

    – he’s a sacrificial lamb –

    – he’s a sacrificial ram –

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    but the tax will continue even if everything is solar tomorrow

    Success would mean we would have had solar installs already in place.

    You mean when, John Howard & The Private School Bullies, were in charge … y’know the government that Abbott was a minister in for quite a while?

    D’yer wonder who “mentors” Abbott as well as AB Pell?

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:24 pm

    Your age old son and I’m not buying renewables on principle.

    Principle! LOL! So SUFFER … ’cause chnaging government won’t help … 😆

  282. October 18, 2012 7:27 pm

    To the residents of Fortitude Valley, Claymore and other under-priviliged areas of Australia, listen up, Uncle TB has answers for your power bills, even though you can`t buy a house.
    All answers here.
    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/rostrum-completely-appalled-and-disgusted-edition/#comment-10443

  283. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:32 pm

    ‘– he’s a sacrificial ram –’

    Mutton dressed up as lamb?

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:34 pm

    To the residents of Fortitude Valley, Claymore and other under-priviliged areas of Australia, listen up, Uncle TB has answers for your power bills, even though you can`t buy a house.

    You obviously haven’t been to Fortitude Valley in a long time … and as far as I’m concerned power should be a government service … just like roads … no tolls … and education … no fees … but I have never trusted the pricks and never will …

    … and dont be a smartarse … i don’t have answers for the rest of the country … I don’t have a TV show …

    And I may be an uncle but I limit my ‘influence” to blood relations …

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:37 pm

    Mutton dressed up as lamb?

    That’s impressive, egg, most right whingers don’t understand, satire, irony, humour or sarcasm … I’d give you a pat on the back but I’m not your uncle … talk to 703 you might get on TV …

  286. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:40 pm

    ’cause chnaging government won’t help … ‘

    They will dismantle the tax, no matter what the compensation, because AGW is based on flawed science.

    They will purge the Klimatariat of irrational thought.

    I’m voting for the monk’s team?

  287. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 7:42 pm

    ‘I’d give you a pat on the back but I’m not your uncle … ‘

    Thanx, I’ll take that as a compliment.

  288. October 18, 2012 7:51 pm

    ” talk to 703 you might get on TV ”
    Won`t happen. We can always get Barnaby Goose.

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 8:02 pm

    Dinner calls … oops .. The Minister for War, Water, Power, Finance & Fun, calls … and you lot think life is hard … loosen up … governments NEVER make life hard … (believe me, after 16 years as a small business owner, I know!)

  290. October 18, 2012 8:03 pm

    Success would be if we had strong Leaders with vision, prepared to invest Long term

    Then look at what has happened in SA with the large investment in wind power, which is just now starting to reap benefits, after the initial outlay.

    But energy analyst Hugh Saddler said that, at its current level, the carbon price was ”more important as a statement of intent”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/power-pollution-plunges-20121017-27rn9.html#ixzz29bsuUNjz

    That’s the kind of leadership that tabot couldn’t even dream about. In fact, he did everything that he and murdoch and their mates could do to stop that leadership

  291. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 8:14 pm

    See the Ruddster is counting numbers again.

  292. October 18, 2012 8:24 pm

    “I’m not buying renewables on principle.”

    Remarkable, simply remarkable. Did you get that line from Tony Abbott….??

  293. October 18, 2012 8:36 pm

    Did you get that line from Tony Abbott

    tabot and principal really just don’t go together reb

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 8:37 pm

    As ToM & Co would post …

    Principle = stupid

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 8:38 pm

    I agree with TomR …

    Abbott has principles … is an oxymoron … he tells lies too …

  296. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 8:52 pm

    I love how people say Abbott’s principles are dangerous yet also say he has no principles.

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 9:14 pm

    I love how people say Abbott’s principles are dangerous yet also say he has no principles

    Who said that? Oh oh … YOU!

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 9:17 pm

    OK … let me make it simple 🙄 … Abbott is NOT principled in any way … did you check up the word oxymoron?

    http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/oxymoron?q=oxymoron

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2012 9:18 pm

    I noticee, James, didn’t question that Abbott tells lies …

  300. October 18, 2012 9:40 pm

    I noticee that snacty always finds the silver lining where Abbott is concerned. A dedicated wishful enthusiast.

    * remember, it’s ‘teh Left’ that’s evil, wrong & responsible…Uncle Andrew says so, often…like a broken fkn record

  301. October 18, 2012 9:41 pm

    Littlefinger Abbott isn’t to be trusted.

  302. October 18, 2012 9:47 pm

    “I noticee that snacty always finds the silver lining where Abbott is concerned”

    Yeah funny that eh?

  303. October 18, 2012 10:01 pm

    That Silver Lining is actually Tin Foil.

  304. October 18, 2012 10:17 pm

    This is quite cute, especially for fans of “The Simpsons”…

  305. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 10:43 pm

    There was no silver lining there. He simply can’t be both dangerously principled and unprincipled at the same time. Pick one or the other.

  306. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 18, 2012 10:50 pm

    The silver lining is this. A bloke who raises $100k+ for a womens shelter in his electorate is principled and that principle isn’t dangerous.

    The alternative assists in the theft of $100k+ from low paid workers and thinks she’s done nothing wrong.

    Hate Abbott’s politics all you like, but by any measure he’s a good bloke and no amount of invented scandals will change that.

  307. Elio permalink
    October 19, 2012 2:49 am

    I was friend of this site.Where has some peples gone to.
    Some here bor.

  308. October 19, 2012 6:36 am

    but by any measure he’s a good bloke

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    The Wall disagrees

    Why don’t we compare what they do for people in their capacity as elected officials, rather than platitudes from the sidelines.

    tabot ripped a billion dollars out of hospitals, directly effecting these ‘low paid’ workers. He did it with the knowledge of what he was doing, unlike Gillard who was lied to, and, in contrast to your claim, realises what was was done was wrong., she claims that she did nothing ‘illegal’ (we’ll just get that term correct, shall we)

    http://www.abbottshospitalcuts.com/

    In contrast to ripping money off of low paid workers, Gilllard and her Government put $1 Billion dollars back in for low paid workers.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-to-court-state-support-to-raise-community-worker-wages-20120714-222tj.html

    I know who I reckon is ‘good’ between those two choices 😉

    Not sure where anyone has claimed tabot has principles. He may have ideologies, but certainly not principles. I doubt he would even have stopped at selling his arse to get the top job.

  309. October 19, 2012 6:43 am

    I noticee that snacty always finds the silver lining where Abbott is concerned. A dedicated wishful enthusiast.

    Yea, why aren’t people like that with Gillard.

    oh,,wait 😯 😉

    Mind you, I just find the silver lining much easier to locate with Gillard, Rudd, .. etc, for all of their negatives.

    Which is why I don’t mention the recent single mothers fiasco Gillard has pushed through.

    oh…shit 😦

  310. el gordo permalink
    October 19, 2012 7:47 am

    Ye cannae polish a shite!

  311. October 19, 2012 7:53 am

    Ye cannae polish a shite!

    Your continual rubbing of the wtfuwt lamp is testament to that.

  312. el gordo permalink
    October 19, 2012 8:39 am

    Post normal science, Tom.

  313. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 9:29 am

    Question.

    If there is a letter from Julia Gillard to the WA Corporate Affairs mob (or whatever they’re called) vouching for the bona fides of the organisation in question does that constitute a bit more than “giving advice and nothing more” and does it suggest a greater level of complicity than Ms Gillard has thus far admitted to?

  314. October 19, 2012 10:07 am

    “Have you got an allegation about me? If not why are we not discussing this.

    Nobody came up with any ‘allegations’ I note.

    And yet still the cranks crawl through the muck.

  315. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 10:20 am

    She put them on the spot, and none of the key journos were there. Although your quote is I think from the Sky News program a couple of nights before. It has certainly taken the MSM some time to realise that there is a story here. Their reluctance to see what has been so obvious for some time is telling. That they didn’t have the material and knowledge on the day does not make Ms Gillard innocent.

    Can you answer the question above? I’m asking for a response to a hypothetical. If such a letter exists, does this mean she has done more than just “give advice”?

  316. October 19, 2012 11:29 am

    Nice ‘hypothetical’

    Is that where we are in this smear job now, asking ‘hypotheticals’.

    No would be the answer you are looking for 😉

    Are you able to answer the earlier question about who said tabot was ‘principled’?

  317. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 11:48 am

    Yes. It has been a collective narrative that the principles held by Tony Abbott are dangerous.

  318. el gordo permalink
    October 19, 2012 11:56 am

    TomR you were the first to moot that Abbott has no principle. Do you have evidence to back up the claim?

  319. October 19, 2012 12:10 pm

    No snacty, his ideologies drive him, not his principles. These two words, while similar, are not the same.

    If you cannot acknowledge that, this is a waste of time from the start.

    I sense dejavu coming on 😦

    Do you have evidence to back up the claim?

    * Standing in front of signs with ‘Bob Browns Bitch’
    * Repeating jones vile slur in Parliament from a prepared document
    * ‘Shit Happens
    * ‘’That’s Bullshit’
    * Lecturing his daughters on promiscuity, while running around looking for his illegitimate son

  320. el gordo permalink
    October 19, 2012 12:29 pm

    Nothing unprincipled in any of that…try again.

  321. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 12:41 pm

    It’s interesting that TomR raises the “shit happens” controversy as though Tony Abbott was being dismissive of the loss of Australian troops (he must be in the context of discussing lack of principle) whilst at the same time he’s on Twitter lecturing Latika Bourke for assuming that Steve Gibbons was talking about Kevin Rudd when he labelled “someone” a psychopath.

    Good grief. Principles?

  322. October 19, 2012 1:52 pm

    Actually snacty, the Shit Happens is as much about his reaction to a question from a journo, where his ‘rage’ got the better of him, and he couldn’t even formulate an answer, than his ignorance to muttering those words after the death of a soldier

    grodo reckons there is nothing unprincipled about ‘Bob Brown’s Bitch’ ROFL, or swearing at a debating opponent.

    ROFL

    And Latika shouldn’t be trying to verbal people with inaccurate quotes. I’ll provide a little context 😉

  323. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 2:25 pm

    Latika Bourke tweeted: “Retiring Labor MP Steve ‘only a psychopath like Kevin’ Gibbons notes that Rudd’s Lateline interview coincided with a Newspoll weekend.”

    To which Gibbons replied: “Now Latika. Your verballing me. I didn’t mention names in that ‘psychopath” tweet & it was gender non specific. Try the truth”

    Gibbons actual tweet (from 19 February 2012): “Only a psychopath with a giant ego would line up again after being comprehensively rejected by the overwhelming majority of his colleagues”

    Gibbons is today trying to deny it was Kevin Rudd he was referring to (or at least not admit).

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2012 2:33 pm

    It’s a tough choice, Abbott vs Gillard.

    • Someone who is strangely suspicious of ‘non-traditional’ lifestyles, or someone who has an aversion to the truth,
    • A dyed in the wool social conservative, or a former militant/progressive who now adopts the guise of a social conservative.
    • Someone who says they cannot be trusted, or someone who says they can, but their actions prove they can’t.

    Informal voting always makes sense.

  325. October 19, 2012 2:36 pm

    “Gibbons is today trying to deny it was Kevin Rudd he was referring to”

    Gibbons is today trying to deny that he said ‘only a psychopath like Kevin’. Everything else is libtika trying to push the leadershit barrow again, a favorite past time of hers

  326. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 2:45 pm

    You don’t think Rudd’s destabilising??

    Seriously??

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 2:54 pm

    You don’t think Rudd’s destabilising??

    … ’bout the same as you are at TDT, James … and has less impact too …

    Did you know Australia now has a place on the Security Council!

    Global recognition is good …

  328. October 19, 2012 2:55 pm

    You don’t think Rudd’s destabilising??

    I didn’t say anything about that. Looks like you are trying to push the leadershit as well. He may well be, and the journos just love to grease the wheels, irrelevant to if he’s pushing it or not. If they stuck to reporting instead of creating stories, it wouldn’t be an issue.

    libtika spent the morning complaining that Gillard hadn’t thanked Rudd enough ffs. Maybe she should listen, instead of pushing wagons. She is also very deceptive in what she tweets. See if you can work out what this one is about. No ‘context’ at all.

  329. October 19, 2012 2:57 pm

    Global recognition is good …

    Not according to the #SoreWinners

  330. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 3:29 pm

    Proffering an alternative opinion is now destabilising is it, TB?

    Must keep a steady ship as they say.

    Why is global recognition good?

  331. October 19, 2012 3:31 pm

    😯

  332. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 3:37 pm

    libtika spent the morning complaining that Gillard hadn’t thanked Rudd enough ffs. Maybe she should listen, instead of pushing wagons. She is also very deceptive in what she tweets. See if you can work out what this one is about. No ‘context’ at all.

    Latika Bourke @latikambourke

    PM Gillard ‘infantile’ to say Australia will have to choose between US and China. #unsc

    19 Oct 12 Reply
    Retweet
    Favorite

    You are unreal, TomR, and you wonder why I call you a dumb whatever. I assume you follow Latika Bourke and if you don’t, you should at least look at her feed for context.

    The above tweet that you appear to object to is one of a series of 14 “live tweeting” a press conference of Julia Gillard. She is not proffering an opinion. She is reporting what Julia Gillard is saying. Julia Gillard is accusing whoever says there needs to be a choice between China and the USA of being infantile.

    And infantile is your tactic of deliberate misrepresentation.

    “Libtika” is guilty of not hating the Liberal Party enough, according to TomR.

  333. October 19, 2012 3:39 pm

    Julia Gillard is accusing whoever says there needs to be a choice between China and the USA of being infantile.

    Yes, but what struck me was, while she loves dropping names, she didn’t drop the name of ‘whoever’.

    Gotta look after the brethren 😉

  334. October 19, 2012 3:41 pm

    I actually agree with Bunny Rabbit on this,
    it is one of my favorites, and Tom-R will have no answer.
    http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=677593

  335. October 19, 2012 3:48 pm

    and Tom-R will have no answer

    42 🙂

  336. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 19, 2012 3:55 pm

    Yes, but what struck me was, while she loves dropping names, she didn’t drop the name of ‘whoever’.

    Did Gillard? Latika will usually explain if she knows. Her live tweeting is pretty thorough. But it would be hard.

  337. October 19, 2012 3:57 pm

    Twitter Censorship
    Twitter is censoring `Nazi` tweets in Germany,
    says Al-Jazeera-TV

  338. October 19, 2012 4:09 pm

    So, Rusted-On`s ..
    Are we all spouting from the standard positions over the 25million$ Unsc seat today.? Joolya claiming credit for another Rudd idea.?

  339. el gordo permalink
    October 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    I like the feel of this….union workers saying publicly that Craig spent their money on prostitutes ….so sue us if you feel defamed.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/craig-thomson-paid-escorts-with-our-money-unionists-say/story-e6freuy9-1226498860726

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 4:53 pm

    I assume you follow Latika Bourke and if you don’t, you should at least look at her feed for context.

    Why would you look at her feet?

    Julia Gillard is accusing whoever says there needs to be a choice between China and the USA of being infantile.

    You do know that this —

    PM Gillard ‘infantile’ to say Australia will have to choose between US and China. #unsc —- from LB …

    … comprehends as quite the opposite to it’s meaning … ie that the PM is infantile for saying we have to choose … in fact, I’m well aware of our national policy re China and the USA … but many are not … the tweet is more than slightly misleading indeed …

  341. October 19, 2012 5:01 pm

    “he is not proffering an opinion. She is reporting what Julia Gillard is saying. Julia Gillard is accusing whoever says there needs to be a choice between China and the USA of being infantile.”

    As much as it pains me, I’m with Snacty on this one.

    While I haven’t been following the tweets that lead up to the USA/China infantile thing, I have been following Latika on twitter for a couple of years now, and she regularly “live tweets” comments made by MPs as events unfold….

    I’ve actually found her to be a fairly balanced reporter, and if I had to hazard a guess, I’d wager that she would be more of a Labor supporter than a Coalition supporter.

    She certainly likes to throw in the occasional joke about the Libs (and their supporters), so it does come as a surprise to me that she would earn the moniker of “libtika.”

    Doesn’t seem warranted from where I sit…

    Just sayin’….

  342. October 19, 2012 5:05 pm

    “the tweet is more than slightly misleading indeed …”

    Maybe it was just a mistake….?

    We all make mistakes… Well you guys do.

    Naturally I’m never wrong.

  343. October 19, 2012 5:08 pm

    the tweet is more than slightly misleading indeed …

    Exactly TB

    It was a question from a reporter, asking if Australia will have to choose between US and China. It is not a position taken by anyone, which was my first assumption, just a really stupid question.

    But, without ‘context’, we are left to assume what we want.

    I thought it was interesting that she failed to highlight the name in that, and then went out of her way to include Rudds name where it hadn’t existed before.

    I have been following her twits for some time now, and it is obvious, although she is better than most, especially in the twitter format, that she opines much (and negatively) about Labor, but keeps pretty down the line on the libs.

    And she is one of the biggest agitators for leadershit, which clouds much of her message.

    She could be a great asset, if only she could keep the snide remarks out of it.

  344. October 19, 2012 5:09 pm

    Maybe it was just a mistake….?

    She seems to make a lot of them, mostly in the anti-Labor direction

    Just sayin’…. 😉

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 5:10 pm

    We all make mistakes… Well you guys do.

    WTF! You’ve been making snide remarks about me for fkn years, sreb! That’s it, I’m gone … TPS will just have to put up with me correcting Farnham Bear’s nonsense from now on …

    TB Farnham … over and out!

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 5:16 pm

    Nah! I’d sooner read, James’, dedications to the Supreme Leader and ToM’s boring dot points!

    As for TPS … I’ve only read a bit of it about two years ago … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    And what’s one more snide remark between friends … 😉 😆

    (I wonder if Jame’s got the sarc … I didn’t put in a sarc alert Fk!)

  347. October 19, 2012 5:19 pm

    Sorry, Wrong reb.
    Libtika blocked me on Twitter.
    She didn`t like my wisecracks about bias, then RT`ing her tweets that proved my wisecrack.

  348. October 19, 2012 5:21 pm

    I`m blocked by Hildebrand too, for the same reason.

  349. October 19, 2012 5:39 pm

    But I’m the victim here!!! (channelling Alan Jones)

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 5:40 pm

    I’m withdrawing all my advertising from TDT as of tomorrow …

  351. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 5:41 pm

    Nah! Fk it … its Friday … as of now ….

  352. October 19, 2012 5:42 pm

    Hildebrand’s creepy.

    There’s something seriously not right about that guy… I’m not sure whether it’s the unshaved, unkempt look, or the excess saliva that seems to drool from his mouth, or the whole sort of superiority complex he seems to have that reminds me of Uni graduates who think they know everything.

    Maybe it’s all of the above.

    In fact, upon reflection. I think it is.

  353. October 19, 2012 5:46 pm

    “I’m withdrawing all my advertising from TDT as of tomorrow …”

    What, you mean this….?

  354. October 19, 2012 5:59 pm

    ” Maybe it’s all of the above. ”
    There is no `maybe` about it.
    Also entrenched smugness obtained in Holt Street.

  355. October 19, 2012 6:09 pm

    “entrenched smugness”

    That’s it precisely!

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2012 6:42 pm

    What, you mean this….?

    More entrenched smugness …

    You know exactly what I mean!

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