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If you look at the last couple of weeks its been colourful politics, but in the extraordinary struggles ahead… historians will see it as an irrelevant self-indulgence.

Nup…that don’t work either.

Boats are coming in droves and they are economic refugees, not illegal immigrants.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sell-house-and-sail-away-to-better-lives/story-e6frg6n6-1226493973659

‘As Greece descends into further chaos amid mounting social and political tensions, accusations of police brutality are growing. In recent months, reports have multiplied of codes of conduct being flouted by law enforcement officers.

‘They have been attributed to the force’s links with Golden Dawn, whose popularity has surged on the back of soaring crime and anti-immigrant hysteria.

“The police are angry. They are overstretched and underpaid and becoming increasingly anti-government and radicalised, in this case to the right,” said Panos Garganas, a prominent leftist activist.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/greek-police-accused-of-using-human-shield-20121012-27hrj.html#ixzz294bf4KsI

What a piece of work that Wayne Swan is.

*clink*

Angry Anderson joins Libs.

http://rouse-hill-times.whereilive.com.au/news/story/angry-anderson-joins-liberal-party-to-take-on-michelle-rowland-in-greenway/

‘As protesters dressed as Nazis riot in an Athens ruled by Brussels stooges, giving the Nobel Peace Prize to the EU is beyond satire.’

Max Hastings in the Daily Mail

Julia’s problem is that she has used ‘misogynist’ as a synonym for ‘sexist’.

Swan and his CFMEU mates have successfully proved that the ALP has standards and principles that are flexible enough to accommodate every shade of sexism and hypocrisy.

June 8, 2008

Misogynist

Senator Hillary Clinton used a word recently that has been changing its meaning. In charging that she has been treated more harshly in the media because of her gender than Senator Barack Obama has been treated because of his race, she said, “It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by comments and reactions of people who are nothing but misogynists.”

The word misogyny has since its earliest recording in 1656 meant “hate or contempt for women.” The etymology of misogyny is straightforward: In Greek, miso means “hatred,” and gune means “woman.” A misogynist is a woman-hater. I thought Clinton’s choice of the word was in error, and that the word she meant was sexist, meaning “one who discriminates based on sex” — that she had been treated unfairly because she was a woman. When I looked up the word she chose in the Oxford English Dictionary online, however, I noted that the meaning of misogynist had changed slightly but significantly. In 1989, the definition was “hatred of women”; in the 2002 revision, the definition was broadened to “hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.”

Thus, sexist and misogynist are now in some respects synonymous. Because sexist has been so widely used, apparently misogynist — in the same sense of “prejudice” rather than “hatred” — now carries more force with those who are familiar with the word. Presumably that was the feminist audience that Senator Clinton intended to reach.

Thus, sexist and misogynist are now in some respects synonymous. Because sexist has been so widely used, apparently misogynist — in the same sense of “prejudice” rather than “hatred” — now carries more force with those who are familiar with the word.

That’s how I see it.

Misandry is restricted to only a small group of vocal activists.

Guess that’s because there’s so few of them around. Asserting self, advocating for equality and pointing out sexism and misogyny where it exists should not be taken as misandry, although many males seem to equate and interpret one with the other.

[wiki] “…Though the concept is ancient, the word did not appear in most dictionaries until the second half of the 20th century…”

Very new word I see.

I suppose men wrote the dictionaries? 🙂

‘although many males seem to equate and interpret one with the other.’

Extraordinary.

http://www.oed.com/

Is a subscription service.

To piss around with the word “misogyny” as the media (radio – Tv – paper – online) is petty and demonstrates a shallow understanding of the world we live in … Abbott is a sexist … but he’s more than that … he is a chauvanistic sexist … but he’s more than that … he doesn’t believe a woman is capable of managing the power that he now has as Leader of the Parliamentary Liberal Party because wormen should be subservient to men … THERE IS NO “dictionary” word for that attitude/behaviour … sexist doesn’t cover it, nor does chauvenist … your left with “mysogyny” … and its the word – one word that makes it difficult to defend – hate … we suspect he doesn’t “hate” women but its more than being sexist …

Exactly TB Queensland. Witness the growth of language over time. Pedants don’t like it, but they can’t stop it.

About William Safire.

A former speechwriter and public relations writer, and special assistant to President Richard Nixon, Safire joined The New York Times as a Washington-based columnist in 1973. He won a 1978 Pulitzer Prize for commentary.

Safire has written numerous books on writing and language, including How Not to Write: The Essential Misrules of Grammar (2005). Delving into fiction, he wrote four novels: Full Disclosure (1977), Freedom (1987), Sleeper Spy (1995), and Scandalmonger (2000).

“Welcome to Freedom”

Hmm…I wonder sometimes how long it will last…Currently sitting in a box of an apartment in Southern Harlem, NYC listening to the “Muslim call to prayer” at 6 am…FFS.

Armchair,

If your a true “feminist” then start advocating on behalf of women in the Middle East (where feminism is needed) vs. perceived injustices in the West.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/12/pakistan-girl-shooting-arrest/1631003/

Men will always be the stronger gender, just nature…It is only because you live in a country of “laws” mostly written by men, founded by men and defended by men that women aren’t still “locked down”. I for one grow tired of listening to penis envy manifested as “assertion” to be anything other than that. “Real women” are able to go about their lives as such without archaic grievances to point to as a continued reason to still be angry..LOL…So cheers to real women and not the little girls who don’t want to grow up!

I think it’s a word in the link

https://waronwomen.com/RockTheSlutVote/frontline

‘If your a true “feminist” then start advocating on behalf of women in the Middle East (where feminism is needed) vs. perceived injustices in the West.’

Hear hear…

‘Unless international organizations take steps to reverse the troubling trend, it is estimated that over the next decade, 100 million more girls—or about 25,000 girls a day—will marry before they turn 18.’

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I have nothing further to add.

What exactly are you saying?

…it comes from his catholicism.

and his upbringing.

“Real women” are able to go about their lives as such without archaic grievances to point to as a continued reason to still be angry..LOL…So cheers to real women and not the little girls who don’t want to grow up!

You might want to get yourself some education on ‘real’ men sparta.

…The Everyday Sexism Project exists to catalogue instances of sexism experienced by women on a day to day basis. They might be serious or minor, outrageously offensive or so niggling and normalised that you don’t even feel able to protest…
…By sharing your story you’re showing the world that sexism does exist, it is faced by women everyday and it is a valid problem to discuss…

http://www.everydaysexism.com/

MizzMazz 2012-10-11 17:05
Thank you for this site. I worked at a world-wide shipping company (the one with brown trucks) and had to put up with sexist bullshit from day one, and the attitude was, “If you are working in a male dominated space you have to deal with it.” I did, because wrongly I thought to complain would make me out to be the ‘Whiny Bitch.’ I was rubbed up against by my supervisor, in the process of looking at my load on the trucks, and had to hear sexist jokes and conversation, because I had chosen to work in a male dominated job. Well, those are the jobs where the money is to be made. I was physically strong, and that upset some of the men, so my workload was increased almost as punishment. (“So you think you can do this? Here – have more work.”)

The “Smile!” order – that thing. I got one while I was at a position at my workplace that I couldn’t leave. I asked the man if he told men to smile, and he said he told ‘everyone’ to smile. Liar. If you want to see a smile so bad, go and smile in the mirror.

‘What exactly are you saying?’

It was merely an observation, but we may need to talk about exploitation in the workforce.

The press is going down the financial gurgler, the next generation of journalists can be on the interwebys. They work for nothing.

64% of The Age readers think joolya is not doing enough to woo male voters.

TB, I’m not only a former ALP voter, I’m a former member, even an active one. A delegate at ALP conferences, branch president!! Elected, full time union official too! But you know all that.

…all the water activity has left me exhausted.

Studies show that physical activities and hobbies leave people better adjusted and more effective contributors to their work than those that simply focus on their work.

See you tomorrow.

‘have you ever made a point?’

Rarely outside my portfolio.

TB,

Are you guys able to sell back any accumulated energy back to the grid/power companies in Australia?

“I agree in principle, but every effort should be made to get equal pay for equal work”

I agree; however, proving “equal work” is the problem. We are often promoted for “personal” reasons or via subjective criteria. I find this argument puzzling on some level. For instance, here in the states women benefit from affirmative action, advancement based on their gender alone (discriminatory in itself). Only in government does one find “standard” compensation but this is not without its pitfalls too. It is commonly known in this country at least, that one only has to “get the government job”, not perform to keep it. Also, it is term of service, additional degrees etc not quality of work which determines advancement. We will never have a world were everybody in every field is represented equally via gender, income etc…This notion is folly in my humble opinion. Here is one explanation…

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303592404577361883019414296.html

“Power is not a product for profit it should be a profitless service by govenment …”

Well I agree in principle as well but lets face it; the reality is we humans absolutely NEED such incentives to “do the right thing”. Not all of us mind you but the average punter to be sure. My father is in the process of installing panels on his AZ home. The company basically installs and maintains via the tax rebate he will receive. It is win, win…for the home owner, business and the environment…

That WSJ article was informative and I think this might compare well with Australian conditions. Here is a quote from that link.

‘A 2007 Pew Research survey came up with similar results for American women: Among working mothers with minor children, 60% said they would prefer to work part-time, while only 21% wanted to be in the office full-time (and 19% said they’d like to give up their job altogether). How about working fathers? Only 12% would choose part-time and 70% wanted to be full-time.’

“and any moron can ejaculate his sperm.”

Hey, we agree!

Hmm, this is getting a bit of s run lately

http://twitter.yfrog.com/odk1czfj

There is plenty in this that will haunt Gillard.

Possibly? 😯

Possibly as possible as swan not saying something you possibly said he possibly didn’t say

Apparently, Gillard’s over the top definition of “misogyny” has already been shown to be an accurate portrayal as Bill Safire has outlined.

Possibly

Next we’ll see Gillard calling Fairfax ‘misogynist/nutcase’ because they are reporting the stuff about her past that Gillard would prefer not to have to deal with.

Did she witness the power of attorney signature after the event? Because that would show a couple of things that can’t be excused as “young & naïve”.

Did she make representations about the “slush fund”? If she called it a slush fund to her employers, did she misrepresent its purpose when supporting it to regulators?

More strife for Gillard, she has a history of getting into trouble because of her low level of truthfulness.

Kitty, men marry women so they can have regular sex. In my discussions with young women they are quietly horrified to discover that men are so demanding in this regard.

yeah, it also surprises men to learn that women won’t have sex with a person that they don’t like!

Are men up front about this when they marry? Can’t think of any woman that has told me that is the reason they were getting married.

There are a few pioneering men but from what I can see, women get to do most of the housework, work outside the home as much and as often as the men [for less pay], and have responsibility for the care of the offspring. The sex isn’t even that great 😉

What do women get out of this deal?

Now, if people could only stop and think about how much better off we would be if we just stopped being wage slaves to an ‘economy’ that demands ever increasing productivity and consumerism for no great benefit to anybody but the few very wealthy. Think how happy and fulfilled people could really be if they just stopped feeding the machinery and greed of capitalism and enjoyed their lives. Think how much the environment would be saved. People have been pitted against each other in a lifetime competition of slavery and misery.
Work less, live smaller is the way to go IMO.

‘What do women get out of this deal?’

Apparently not much.

‘Are men up front about this when they marry? Can’t think of any woman that has told me that is the reason they were getting married.’

If men don’t recognise that they marry for regular sex, then women won’t admit that they marry for material security.

Obviously there is more to the game than that…these are the primordial roots.

Personally, I would rather talk about women in the home.

‘Few men have that when they both start out in marriage, so you are wrong on that count.’

Its about potential.

Good looking girls attract tradies, professional sportsmen also do well in the gene pool.

It’s time!

‘FAIR Work Australia has laid charges against independent MP Craig Thomson, alleging he broke industrial laws and union rules in splurging hundreds of thousands dollars of union funds on prostitutes, spousal travel, and high living.

‘FWA spokeswoman Diana Lloyd confirmed to The Australian that civil charges were filed in the Federal Court this morning, and served on Mr Thomson in the afternoon.’

Ean Higgins in the Oz

‘eggs, sexist comments all day)’

don’t be afrayd of the troof

Persona non grata…

Macquarie Dictionary are expanding the meaning of the word “misogynist” it seems. In other news there is no apparent truth to the rumour that “bitch” will be expanded to include “ally” or “friend” amongst its definitions.

Breaking news

PM forces dictionary to keep up with society 😉

Wonder when they will be updating ‘Carbon Price’ to mean ‘Carbon Tax’

Note use of the word “appears”, TB. Michael Smith has referred all his stuff to the Vic Police Commissioner this morning. Upon receipt, the Commissioner will be duty bound to launch some form of investigation.

‘obbortunity’. It’s an improvement.’

Indeed…just goes to show bogons (sic) can be reformed.

TB, I think the definition is all in the rear vision mirror to justify Gillard’s attack.

I’ve never heard “misogynist” used as a synonym for sexist. It has always has the , ingredient of hatred.

Other than Gillard’s use of it, can anyone point to a contemporary article and paper that uses “misogynist” in place of the relatively mild “sexist”.

But nonetheless, it is up to Gillard to explain her actual intention in using the word. Did she mean sexist or woman hater?

Does “pundits” mean Obama’s Facebook page?

It is an offence to falsely witness a legal document to start with. The Power of Attorney was allegedly witnessed on 4 February 1993 yet not signed by Mr Blewitt until sometime after 13 February 1993.

Smith has reported a crime, the police have, I understand, stated that the crime will be investigated. To the extent that it is a crime, the criminal is Julia Gillard.

Thank the gods for our resident legal expert.

Parent 1 sounds fine, much more engaging than “mum” or some other term that breeds a misogynistic, women suppressing culture.

Unlike the conservative mind, language is not static and inert, pining for change to cease or reverse, but well alive and constantly moving about.

As Bill Safire noted earlier, Hillary Clinton was using the word “misogyny” in the same manner as Julia Gillard did recently, as far back as 2008.

In 2002, the Oxford English Dictionary online (subscription version) changed its definition of misogyny to “hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.”

That was a decade ago. Are progressives to believe that such a word has not evolved further since?

Even the much maligned Wikipedia notes:
According to feminist theory, misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.

All the conservative mind has left to cling to is an ancient definition of a word used by the Prime Minister in her eminent speech.

‘was he poached?’

Funny you should mention it…the editor at the kaf says I’m no longer a troll. So I’m hopeful of getting another guest post.

Its ok Tom, I’m not that bright.

“Macquarie Dictionary are expanding the meaning of the word “misogynist” it seems. In other news there is no apparent truth to the rumour that “bitch” will be expanded to include “ally” or “friend” amongst its definitions.”

* hat tip to Bolt…

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obamas_day_of_reckoning/

😯

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/macquarie_to_publish_dictionary_of_gillard_english/

The virtues of a rightard clearing house of daily memes…

I suppose Tom R, most people could reasonably expect the PM to use language that conveys a clear and unambiguous message. But apparently that’s not the way this PM talks.

If she means old time sexist, she should say so. If she means women hater, she should say “misogynist”. As it is, the public does not know whether she meant to say Abbott is a women hater, or an old fashioned sexist.

I suppose Tom R, most people could reasonably expect the PM to use language that conveys a clear and unambiguous message

You mean like one defined in the Oxford English Dictionary?

It is probably also timely to recall that Gillard only used the term misogyny after tabot had accused Slipper of being one, and said that ‘if’ Slipper was one, what does that make tabot?

One wonders why the media aren’t up in arms about tabots use of the term to try and rail-road someone from their position, considering the manner with which they have (wrongly) attacked the PM for the same use of the term?

If I had to guess, I’d say that Tony’s nose has been put out of joint… & pride, along with comments since his departure, will prevent any sort of return.

But who the hell am I to speculate on the inner machinations of the minds of others. I’m probably way off the mark.

I doubt that that’s N5.

Snacty has an N5 nervous tick.

Insinuating that N5 is somehow comfortable to return because Tony left is BS, imo. N5 is neither the arch prick he is sometimes painted as, nor a coward hiding from combative rightards.

Just sayin’…

Toilet, I form my own views and will always state when I am channelling the opinions of others.

Macquarie Dictionary editor Sue Butler told The Australian Financial Review today the political debate on the subject highlighted the need to expand the meaning of the word in its next edition.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/misogyny-definition-changes-with-the-times/story-e6frg6nf-1226497577596

‘highlighted the need’ is the money quote there. The speech didn’t change the meaning, just highlighted how misunderstood it had become with its modern usage..

Amazing parallels, snacty, amazing parallels.

An insight into the conservative hive mind.

Pure coincidence, of course.

Conservatives have trouble forcing square pegs into round holes.

I think ToSY said the blogmasta was ‘baiting’ him.

A public apology is not expected anytime soon, but in relation to jaws nothing less than a personal apology will woo him back.

Its the sin of moderation.

‘Fuck me. It’s just a blog!!’

You”re too modest.

“eventful real life” – I was surfing in Byron Bay over the weekend. But TB thinks I spend too much time on a board. People that surf also chat while waiting.

I like Tony’s contribution. He was sharp and witty

I AGREE!!

(I feel all dirty now)

Really, Gillard owes the public clarification.

Over 2million viewers appear to ‘get it’. Globally, millions more ‘get it’. It appears just a small coterie of individuals in the land of oz don’t/ Strange that.

Two million tune in to watch a verbal stoush isn’t necessarily endorsement of the definition of “misogyny” that the Gillard fan club now subscribe to.
It means that a lot of people enjoyed watching a woman with a drawl shout at a man.
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Did I mention that I like this blog?

I’ve known blogs to drift for years without a captain.

‘so, egg, what are you?’

I appreciate the humour, but I’m not particularly funny…I need to laugh and retain my sanity.

” the editor at the kaf says I’m no longer a troll. ”

Although, grodo disagreed with him on that point 😯

Then complains about being called a troll

😆 😆 😆 😆

OxfordWords @Mikeah44 Thanks for asking. The OED updated its definition 9 years ago to reflect the changing usage of ‘misogyny’:

misogyny, n.

Pronunciation: Brit. /mᵻˈsɒdʒᵻni/ , /mʌɪˈsɒdʒᵻni/ , U.S. /məˈsɑdʒəni/
Forms: 16 misoginy, 16 misogynie, 18– misogyny, 19– misogeny (irreg.).
Etymology: < Hellenistic Greek μισογυνία < ancient Greek μισογύνης (see misogynist n.) + …

Hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.

Fine, Gillard has used confusing and ambiguous language. She has a record of doing this.

She chose to use the word “misogynist”, which might mean “woman hater” or “sexist”.

Which did she mean? If Gillard’s choice of words causes uncertainty about what she means, she should clarify her intention.

Breaking News!!!!

Macquarie Dictionary have changed the definition of “pursue” to include “introduce”!!

No Tom R, Gillard’s ambiguous use of language includes-
* ‘young & naive’= middle aged professional
* agreement, in writing, signed= not worth the paper it’s written on
* ‘slush fund’= bona fide training program
* tax= tax
* ‘misogynist’= sexist

Hmm… testing…

tax= tax

TomR, for your theory to be accurate, you need to ignore statements to the effect of building community consensus, climate commission, legislation after 2013 etc. You know this. It has been explained to you many times. Yet you continue to trot out the same line.

You know this. It has been explained to you many times. Yet you continue to trot out the same line.

And as I have pointed out every time, that is never the argument. It is always ‘she lied’. Try starting the argument on the basis you mentioned, and we will see what occurs.

So we acan all move on from misogynist now

We have, it’s now ‘tax’ and ‘price’ (reb will love that) 🙂

And TB will too it ‘appears’ 😉

Because it is reduced to its simplest form as regards the Carbon Tax and the specifics of the meaning of “tax” can vaguely be argued

The only problem with that argument snacty, is that the Carbon Tax was used as an argument AGAINST having a Market Based mechanism. It was a unique and differentiated policy platform, yet, following the election, they somehow became the same. tabot even argued in favor of a Carbon Tax instead of the market based solution.

The Carbon Tax used to apply to a consumption based tax, and the Carbon Price (market Based) to a production based price (or tax). But now, they are the same thing. Bewildering.

She promised one thing before the election, and delivered it

Fixed it for ya snacty 😉

“I don’t rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism,”

Well, looky at what we got, a Carbon Price, a market based mechanism

Love to see you try and plug a tax into Europe’s scheme 😆

This carbon price tax won`t do anything except make Life harder for those at the bottom of the economic Ladder

Guess you forgot about the compensation, so, while the price itself might make things tougher, the package will even things out.

Not only that, but it already looks to be working, after SA revealed that it’s power prices are starting to fall

THE carbon tax has helped to drive a sharp fall in the emissions intensity of Australia’s power generation as coal-fired stations are closed, moth-balled or sell less electricity.

I particularly agree with this point

But energy analyst Hugh Saddler said that, at its current level, the carbon price was ”more important as a statement of intent”.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/power-pollution-plunges-20121017-27rn9.html#ixzz29bsuUNjz

And I don’t wish to plug anything into the European scheme. FFS how stupid would that be?

And I don’t wish to plug anything into the European scheme.

Your likes or dislikes are irrelevant to the discussion at this point. The simple fact is, a market based mechanism can be plugged into Europe’s market based mechanism. A tax would find that accomplishment very difficult 😉

I also agree that all of the triggers weren’t there. But nobody has argued about that. All they claim is she promised not to introduce the Carbon Tax, which, quite obviously, she hasn’t. She has brought in what was promised 6 months early. End of the world 😆

as you did with your quote above

😆

The one time I don’t put the link up, after having done it dozens of times before.

She lied. reduced to the sounbite 😆

..and vote on it.

OK, now you’re really grasping

I’ve said it before, here and elsewhere, she screwed very small business and lost their vote.

The unforeseen consequences of the tax is the reduction in consumption, which is putting the power generators in an awkward position. The coal companies are not happy either, so it now appears that prices will have to rise to compensate.

Think I got that right.

So legislation can’t be repealed before implementation

It can be repealed after too, according to tabot 😉

The unforeseen consequences of the tax is the reduction in consumption

Actually grodo, that’s one of it’s bloody aims.

so it now appears that prices will have to rise to compensate.

❓ SA is discovering the opposite, according to the report I put up.

Think I got that right.

Not yet, but keep garbling nouns and adjectives together, it might happen sooner or later 😉

Annabel Hepworth and Pia Akerman in the Oz.

😆

but the tax will continue even if everything is solar tomorrow.

SUCCESS!! 🙂

3. “Carbon Tax” means “Carbon Tax” (2010)
4. “Carbon Tax” means “Carbon Price” (2011)
5. “Excel Macro” means “Audit” (for libs any-time)
6. “Opposition” means “Not The GOVERNMENT” (For Good) 🙂

’cause chnaging government won’t help … ‘

They will dismantle the tax, no matter what the compensation, because AGW is based on flawed science.

They will purge the Klimatariat of irrational thought.

I’m voting for the monk’s team?

Success would be if we had strong Leaders with vision, prepared to invest Long term

Then look at what has happened in SA with the large investment in wind power, which is just now starting to reap benefits, after the initial outlay.

But energy analyst Hugh Saddler said that, at its current level, the carbon price was ”more important as a statement of intent”.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/power-pollution-plunges-20121017-27rn9.html#ixzz29bsuUNjz

That’s the kind of leadership that tabot couldn’t even dream about. In fact, he did everything that he and murdoch and their mates could do to stop that leadership

I love how people say Abbott’s principles are dangerous yet also say he has no principles.

I noticee that snacty always finds the silver lining where Abbott is concerned. A dedicated wishful enthusiast.

* remember, it’s ‘teh Left’ that’s evil, wrong & responsible…Uncle Andrew says so, often…like a broken fkn record

but by any measure he’s a good bloke

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

The Wall disagrees

Why don’t we compare what they do for people in their capacity as elected officials, rather than platitudes from the sidelines.

tabot ripped a billion dollars out of hospitals, directly effecting these ‘low paid’ workers. He did it with the knowledge of what he was doing, unlike Gillard who was lied to, and, in contrast to your claim, realises what was was done was wrong., she claims that she did nothing ‘illegal’ (we’ll just get that term correct, shall we)

http://www.abbottshospitalcuts.com/

In contrast to ripping money off of low paid workers, Gilllard and her Government put $1 Billion dollars back in for low paid workers.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-to-court-state-support-to-raise-community-worker-wages-20120714-222tj.html

I know who I reckon is ‘good’ between those two choices 😉

Not sure where anyone has claimed tabot has principles. He may have ideologies, but certainly not principles. I doubt he would even have stopped at selling his arse to get the top job.

Ye cannae polish a shite!

Post normal science, Tom.

Question.

If there is a letter from Julia Gillard to the WA Corporate Affairs mob (or whatever they’re called) vouching for the bona fides of the organisation in question does that constitute a bit more than “giving advice and nothing more” and does it suggest a greater level of complicity than Ms Gillard has thus far admitted to?

She put them on the spot, and none of the key journos were there. Although your quote is I think from the Sky News program a couple of nights before. It has certainly taken the MSM some time to realise that there is a story here. Their reluctance to see what has been so obvious for some time is telling. That they didn’t have the material and knowledge on the day does not make Ms Gillard innocent.

Can you answer the question above? I’m asking for a response to a hypothetical. If such a letter exists, does this mean she has done more than just “give advice”?

Yes. It has been a collective narrative that the principles held by Tony Abbott are dangerous.

TomR you were the first to moot that Abbott has no principle. Do you have evidence to back up the claim?

No snacty, his ideologies drive him, not his principles. These two words, while similar, are not the same.

If you cannot acknowledge that, this is a waste of time from the start.

I sense dejavu coming on 😦

Do you have evidence to back up the claim?

* Standing in front of signs with ‘Bob Browns Bitch’
* Repeating jones vile slur in Parliament from a prepared document
* ‘Shit Happens
* ‘’That’s Bullshit’
* Lecturing his daughters on promiscuity, while running around looking for his illegitimate son

It’s interesting that TomR raises the “shit happens” controversy as though Tony Abbott was being dismissive of the loss of Australian troops (he must be in the context of discussing lack of principle) whilst at the same time he’s on Twitter lecturing Latika Bourke for assuming that Steve Gibbons was talking about Kevin Rudd when he labelled “someone” a psychopath.

Good grief. Principles?

Latika Bourke tweeted: “Retiring Labor MP Steve ‘only a psychopath like Kevin’ Gibbons notes that Rudd’s Lateline interview coincided with a Newspoll weekend.”

To which Gibbons replied: “Now Latika. Your verballing me. I didn’t mention names in that ‘psychopath” tweet & it was gender non specific. Try the truth”

Gibbons actual tweet (from 19 February 2012): “Only a psychopath with a giant ego would line up again after being comprehensively rejected by the overwhelming majority of his colleagues”

Gibbons is today trying to deny it was Kevin Rudd he was referring to (or at least not admit).

“Gibbons is today trying to deny it was Kevin Rudd he was referring to”

Gibbons is today trying to deny that he said ‘only a psychopath like Kevin’. Everything else is libtika trying to push the leadershit barrow again, a favorite past time of hers

Global recognition is good …

Not according to the #SoreWinners

😯

Julia Gillard is accusing whoever says there needs to be a choice between China and the USA of being infantile.

Yes, but what struck me was, while she loves dropping names, she didn’t drop the name of ‘whoever’.

Gotta look after the brethren 😉

and Tom-R will have no answer

42 🙂

I like the feel of this….union workers saying publicly that Craig spent their money on prostitutes ….so sue us if you feel defamed.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/craig-thomson-paid-escorts-with-our-money-unionists-say/story-e6freuy9-1226498860726

the tweet is more than slightly misleading indeed …

Exactly TB

It was a question from a reporter, asking if Australia will have to choose between US and China. It is not a position taken by anyone, which was my first assumption, just a really stupid question.

But, without ‘context’, we are left to assume what we want.

I thought it was interesting that she failed to highlight the name in that, and then went out of her way to include Rudds name where it hadn’t existed before.

I have been following her twits for some time now, and it is obvious, although she is better than most, especially in the twitter format, that she opines much (and negatively) about Labor, but keeps pretty down the line on the libs.

And she is one of the biggest agitators for leadershit, which clouds much of her message.

She could be a great asset, if only she could keep the snide remarks out of it.

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