Rostrum: Big Decisive Juicy Edition!
Hello,
Good afternoon and welcome to another weekend open discussion thread.
As TB mentioned earlier, the Gillard government has successfully secured a seat on the UN Security Council for Australia after a five-year lobbying campaign.
Much to the chagrin of Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott who had pinned his hopes on the bid being an abject failure with this prediction that any inability to secure a seat would be viewed as “an embarrassing defeat for the government.”
Following the announcement of the successful bid, he reluctantly acknowledged the win but then tried to detract from the achievement declaring that “it came at a cost of many, many tens of millions of dollars.”
The cost of the bid was $25 million, $20 million less than the government spent on the unsuccessful bid to host the World Cup, a bid that enjoyed bipartisan support.
And people wonder why Abbott has a reputation for negativity.
Meanwhile Anthony Mundine has called Australia “the most racist country in the world.”
And in less than three weeks we’ll know who the next President of the United States will be…
Brace yourselves.
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We will presumably be counted in the Asia Pacific Group …Pakistan and India are there at the moment. Will one of those be dropped?
Probably not egg,
Joolya and Mr-Rabbit will just sell them both Nuke-Fuel.
Meanwhile Anthony Mundine has called Australia “the most racist country in the world.”
And now we all know who the most devisive and racist person in Australia is … once a Fuckwit™ … always a Fuckwit™ …
I really dislike that union jack on our flag … but after today … maybe it should stay!
I’ve never been a big fan of the National Anthem but after today I certainly am …
Fancy bringing up The White Australia Policy … this wanker has insulted black fellas and white fellas in less than two days!
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Australia is part of the European group, egg, that’s why we had to “compete” with Finland and Luxemburg … tradion apparently … ironically, I suppose … from memory 140 out of 160 votes … so the rest of the World seems to think the present government is doing OK …
” so the rest of the World seems to think the present government ”
What nonsense TB, you don`t think the 25million$ has anything to do with it.? And that is just the starting point.
TB .. ” I really dislike that union jack on our flag ”
Shall we replace it with the `stars and stripes`,
or should we jump straight to China`s flag.?
WHere’s the thread on the mars bullshit!
This is the latest crap from NASA … LOL!
ONE FKN MILLIMETRE … ’cause I suppose our American cousins don’t realise that’s a flyshit!
Mundine is a pretty good athlete,
Too bad he can`t keep his yap shut.
Breaking News!
There’s been a chopper hovering directly over our place for half an hour now.
People are watching from adjacent balconies.
I’m expecting them to storm the building any moment now.
I warned you they were onto us!!!
What nonsense TB, you don`t think the 25million$ has anything to do with it.? And that is just the starting point.
Shall we replace it with the `stars and stripes`,
or should we jump straight to China`s flag.?
Three things spring to mind …
1. Re: $25 million. The other “contestants” didn’t just apply for the marshall’s role, they had “entry” fees too (and before you ask, no, I don’t think its right, so let’s not pontificate)
2. Re: Flag. Why have anything there at all, aren’t we all Ozzies bzzzzz ?
3. Learn about questioning technique – you’re lucky I bothered to answer your leading question ( a favourite of TV journalists and Liberal voters – give ’em an answer and let choose) FMD! Mate , I used to sell fkn insurance and motor cars …
I’m expecting them to storm the building any moment now.
Mumbai repeated … or NASA! Or just a prang down the road?
Sounds Like Reb toilet is being blocked with `white-powder` as we speak.
I think it was the recent post on “deadly medicines being the latest weapon in the war on terror” that pushed them over the edge. I knew we were pushing things exposing the elaborate Mars Hoax for the disgraceful government fraud that it is, but I didn’t expect the fkn SWAT team!
The other “contestants” had smaller “entry” fees
” Re: Flag. Why have anything there at all, aren’t we ”
I thought that `corner` was reserved for the share-holders.
How predictable, Chris Bullman gives his usual partisan Liberal slant on the UN Security Council achievement saying “there are some who will see this as an unnecessary expensive exercise” or words to that effect.
Can some one please sack that sad sack of shit? 730?
It was Brissendon, not Toolman, and as you know, we are a nest of Commies here at my ABC and we don`t really approve of this pit for money to be thrown in.
‘we had to “compete” with Finland and Luxemburg …’
If we are classed as Europeans I think we deserve Germany’s seat, they aren’t permanent.
I thought that `corner` was reserved for the share-holders.
Humour from the ABC? Blown your cover 037! 😛
I could just see a BHPB logo in the corner … unfortunately appropriate … so I suggest nowt, lad!
FYI my office has an image that I designed a few years ago with Australian flag with an Aborigial flag where the Union Jack now resides
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I knew we were pushing things
What’s this fkn WE $#!t!
‘But it’s likely natural Martian soil that looks different because of the way it’s angled in the light or how the soil broke apart.’
That’s exactly what they said about the face on Mars.
Oh I do apologise 730, I only heard the voiceover and assumed it was the insipid Ulhmann…
What’s this fkn WE $#!t!
BTW, were you shot by SWAT? ‘Cause I take over if you were – especially if your dead .. –
remember the Power of Attorney you sent me to buy Moreton Island?That`s all right Reb, he can actually be more annoying than Toolman, that’s why we store him in New-York.
I managed to shake them off the trail TB… I sent V out to fetch a carton of milk and they traced his steps..
I sent V out to fetch a carton of milk and they traced his steps..
This very important, sreb, was it:
2 steps
3 steps
4 steps
6 steps or more?
I guess I should also ask … what did they use?
Chalk
Crayons
Pencil
Secret ink
Pencil
Tracing paper
The latter is critical … ask 703!
I think it was the 39 steps TB…
Canberra
Toolman has actually been talking to Mr-Poodle about the Unsc.
This is Pyne`s reaction.
ABC News24 Melbourne Newsroom
Virginia Trioli, Unsc reaction.
LOL! Dinner!
Cradle Mountain … snow pending… bitchin’.
Burn the flag! Desecrate the national anthem!
I am quite annoyed you blokes had to pay a dime! Australia is the next superpower and anybody who thinks otherwise is simply daft! However, now that you have joined the club perhaps we can bring a bit of sanity to the debate…
Cradle Mountain … snow pending… bitchin’.
Imagine you’re on the Wall … Winter is coming!
” Australia is the next superpower ”
ROFL .. Arizona, you have really been guzzling TEA today, haven`t you.? Ever heard of a country called China.? You know, the place where our governments of both flavors allowed the super-rich to send our nations capital/wealth, jobs and intellectual property.
So we have the ‘prestige’ of joining Argentina, Rwanda, Luxembourg on the Security Council!
I had no idea we were joining such esteemed company.
I reckon we have the ‘prestige’ of joining america, again, in throwing taxpayer cash into another bottomless pit Tom-Melb.
China is no superpower mate…Paper dragon…
Sounds like Paper dragon is the Tea-bag word of the day.
“China is no superpower mate…”
Fascinating.
Almost every item of clothing for sale in Australia is now made in China.
High-end shoes once made in Italy are now made in China.
Practically everything for sale at Target, Kmart and Big W is made in China.
The West is critically dependant on China’s burgeoning middle class to maintain demand for products and services exported by the West, yet somehow you draw the conclusion that they are not a “superpower.”
I like the Australian/China duo, a large earthly rich island with few people and a people rich China. Both not yet superpowers, but with the economic potential to become leaders in the 21st century.
Grow Australia for food security, in cooperation with the celestial kingdom and we’ll avoid war over land hunger.
The media really does go easy on Swan.. They consistently ignore his politicisation of economics and his incompetence.
When the Reserve Bank observed the potential for overheating the economy a couple of years ago, they raised interest rates.
At the very same time Swan was spending billions $$$ in stimulus. Swan’s policy was pushing the economy in the opposite direction to that of the Reserve Bank.
Now we have the Reserve Bank seeing the danger of economic contraction, and reducing interest rates to promote growth. Meantime, Swan is locked into a politically motivated surplus, so is looking to cut spending, ie reduce economic growth.
Swan is just the most incompetent, bombastic, self important politician in memory.
” in cooperation with the celestial kingdom and ”
Sounds Like eggs got his `magic` undies on.
Talking about esoteric matters, Galactic Nooze reports rumours are spreading that Obama is going to announce ‘disclosure’ if it looks like he might lose the election.
The Chinese also want to be the first country to announce the words ‘we are not alone’…kudos presumably.
Unfknblivble.
” The media really does go easy on Swan ”
Bullshit Tom-Melb We are always coping flak when Toolman starts Gish-galloping on Swan in interviews. Do you realize how much complaint tweets, facebook, email, Letters we have to deal with over this.?
Sitting in departure lounge at Melbourne airport.
Did nightshift last night & haven’t slept a wink since 16:00 yesterday.
Ready to go postal & strangle innocent bystanders.
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Anthony Mundine: Where to start?
On Daniel Geale: “He’s got a white woman, he’s got white kids. I keep it real, all day every day.”
He doesn’t stop there, of course; no, he keeps rambling, rambling against the perils of miscegenation: “Our women are the backbone of our community, and the Aboriginal community is weak if our women are weak, we need to bring our women up with us and embrace that,” said Mundine.
Mundine rounds off his meditation on the contamination of native blood by going into birth-rates, declaring himself a member of “a dying species” and, as stated above, condemning this country as “one of the most racist countries here”.
Funny to see someone so race-obsessed project his neuroses on the world around him.
Oh, and in the video linked he outlines a system of welfare based, not on need alone, but on lineage; lineage, that is, as understood through the lens of 19th Century blood-race theories:
“Maybe there’s a cut-off point or a scaling system where people with distant Aboriginal heritage receive assistance, but not as much as a first-generational (sic) Aboriginal.”
What is a “first-generational” Aboriginal?
He goes on: “I myself see myself as a leader for the Aboriginal people of this country.”
God help us.
No, there’s more: Apart from race-based services, what else does Mundine propose? A redesign of the flag and the replacement of some obscure jingle best known for being poorly known.
Is that what this country needs?
Swan’s reality-
• Forecast unemployment of 10.5%, but the stimulus was to take 2% off this.
• Continued with stimulus when it was no longer necessary, as he admitted, it was for political reasons.
• Continued to stimulate, even when the RB was trying to reduce the pressure, by raising interest rates.
• Racked up huge debt with unnecessary spending.
• Politically locked himself into a surplus, even though further spending cuts are operating counter to the interest rate reductions of the RB.
..and politically, he had the hide to disparage Rudd.
When Swan speaks people cringe.
‘So, if women whose job descriptions require them to don extreme outfits are refusing to wear such shoes, why are ordinary women embracing them with such enthusiasm? Why would a woman who is trying to be taken seriously as a manager, an executive, a director or a politician wear footwear that belongs in the bordello?’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/treacherous-heels-the-very-height-of-misogyny-20121019-27wc9.html#ixzz29oEhwckN
Yes indeed, silly girl.
“Swan is just the most incompetent, bombastic, self important politician in memory.”
How quickly some forget Alexander Downer……….
Downer may have had Swan covered in pomposity and affectations. But Swan must be the Treasurer with the lowest IQ since Billy McMahon and superimposed over that is his unyielding arrogance.
Swan ought to take our spot on the Security Council, diplomats would stop fighting amongst themselves and just turn on him.
Swan’s phone call to Gillard – “Julia, the good news is that I’ve managed to stop Israel and Hamas from fighting each other… the bad news is that we’re now at war with both of them”
Did I mention that Swan’s a loathsome dickhead?
I remember seeing Downer in high heels, silly boy, certainly no statesman.
Swan’s reality-
WORLD’S GREATEST TREASURER
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They’re touting Downer as the next Premier of SA.
If that happens I may as well stay in taswegia.
Had a quick look at BoM and the week ahead in Taswegia has the appearance of an English summer. Enjoy your rest, boss.
The Rudd push is on again and they are going after Roxon first.
‘They created a scenario in which, if Rudd did win the leadership vote eight months ago, none of them could credibly continue to serve on the frontbench. This was used by Julia Gillard’s supporters as some sort of disincentive to revive Rudd: pointing to the damage losing three such senior ministers would do to the government.’
Peter van Onselen in the Oz
” Did I mention that Swan’s a loathsome dickhead? ”
So reb, I see you assigned the `role` of Mr-Angry to Tom-Melb for future performances.
Chinese investment in the US reaches new highs and that is set to grow at a rapid rate. There has been a minor snag when Obama intervened to stop a Chinese wind farm being constructed.
Of more interest is their foray into media.
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2012-10/20/content_15833263.htm
The current trade imbalance we have with China is just part of the equation, currency manipulation etc but even bigger for China is the loss of purchasing power by the West. China it is estimated has a “middle class” of about 25% of their total population with about the usual 1-2% very rich and there rest in poverty like scenarios (2/3 of their population still lives below the poverty line by UN standards). China is more dependent on us then we are them, don’t fool yourself guys. I haven’t even discussed the social issues plaguing this country, lack of freedoms, abuses etc…To be true they benefited from the West’s charge card but I don’t know if any of you have noticed, the EU is collapsing and the US is beginning to cut their cards up…It isn’t going to last…
As you want to bleat on credit cards Arizona, China is the Lender to Australia and america. We owe them, as far as the Loans go.
There will be hiccups in the relationship, such as currency manipulation, still they seem intent on making big inroads. Chinese banks are buying hugely into US multinationals at the perfect time…bloody sharp capitalists.
Maxine McKew’s book sounds interesting.
Reports suggest that she will reflect on further examples of Gillard’s duplicity.
There’s a long list.
Its the PMs blatant lying that gets my goat….’I didn’t knife Kev’ is a concoction of her own imagination. According to one MP she was up to her eyeballs in the shite.
” I didn’t knife Kev ”
You do realize that most NSW/VIC were in on it from the start, egg? .. Kevin07 was the only ALP person who had the popularity with the public.
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” that gets my goat ”
I do hope your goat is returned safely.
The back room boys were hard at work crunching the numbers, but joolya’s denial over her involvement in the coup is going to be exposed and it won’t sit well with the electorate.
Gillard is already deeply (and legitimately) distrusted. She will now face additional scrutiny of her honesty over her very questionable ethics in the AWU affair and her knifing of Rudd.
Her barrackers will attempt to argue that all this scrutiny is “misogyny”, whereas it is Gillard who has used her gender to seek to get out of trouble on both issues.
” The back room boys ”
Lucky you didn`t add `faceLess` to that remark, otherwise I would have thought you were just `Lefty-Baiting` egg.
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Max McKews book on her time in the Rudd regime is going to be a spanner in the works for Joolya too, egg.
Indeed.
Earlier this year, when they had a battle over the leadership, its quite clear that the front bench threatening to walk was brilliant strategy out of joolya’s office.
The PM is good in close combat, but lacks the big picture.
Peter van Onselen in the Oz
I wish you’d put this at the beginning of your quote, instead of the end , egg … would have saved me reading it … 🙄
Who would have thought Peter van Onselen in the Oz is reading eggs and my comments!
If the Ruddster brings on a leadership challenge he will need his new front bench ready (assuming Swan, Roxon et al walk) so he can say to the assembled MPs this is our new team after a clean spill.
” Ruddster brings on a leadership challenge ”
Again! .. Hasn`t this been done before.?
‘What the Labor Party has got to do is resolve its leadership tensions quickly. It cannot go on at war with itself, a house divided cannot stand,’’ Mr Abbott said today.
Hear hear!
” resolve its leadership tensions quickly. ”
Didn`t Thomson and Slipper try and do that.?
What’s your beef with PvO, TB?
Crean and Ferguson won’t walk and might be rewarded with the Treasurer’s job, both have enough qualifications.
http://www.alp.org.au/federal-government/minister/
I’ll have to put on my magic undies to get better insight…picking political winners is mindbogeling (sic) difficult.
My rank outsider…Julie Collins to get a front bench seat and they better shore up Gary Gray or they’ll lose him.
” be rewarded with the Treasurer’s job, ”
Facinating stuff egg, who would of thought the Treasurer’s job is up for grabs like that.
Excellent Research.
I could handle a ” Kate Lundy Leadership Challenge “.
The only danger for Labor is they could end up popular.
Update: The numbers are shortening for Martin Ferguson and Crean’s dropped out of contention.
‘MAXINE McKew has appealed to the ALP to bring Kevin Rudd back into the Labor fold in a year-end act of reconciliation, not as leader, but as a prominent public force in the party’s campaign to beat Tony Abbott at the next election.
”My plea is this: at the end of what’s been a pretty bumpy year for Labor, is that it’s time for some kind of settlement, reconciliation, with Rudd,” the former Bennelong MP said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/bring-back-rudd-mckew-urges-alp-20121020-27yjm.html#ixzz29untZfwI
Fairfax are running with the story, while Limited Nooze falls silent….
A reinvigorated Labor under Rudd might spell doom for Abbott and they have already invested heavily to get him up at the post.
Interesting to see how they handle this.
Rudd is secure in his seat and, as Max says still very well regarded by the public. The main trouble is Rudd is not liked by the majority of ALP movers and shakers, who will never return Rudd to the top job.
What’s your beef with PvO, TB?
Nothing … it’s his politics I dislike (he too purports to be “neutral”) … he seems likeable enough …
Interesting to see how they handle this.
Storm in an, egg-cup … it will simply be ignored for the nonsense it is … what most Australians want to know is when Turnbull is going to tilt the windmill again …
The Daily Terror is playing it with a straight bat.
‘Today, Mr Rudd refused to comment on speculation that he was considering another tilt at the ALP leadership.
‘He also denied that he had attended the Chong Yeung celebrations in Sydney’s west today simply to upstage Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, who was also at the cultural event.’
‘what most Australians want to know is when Turnbull is going to tilt the windmill again …’
I’m thinking a Ruddster return might give Talcum a second chance, from memory he only lost by one vote last time.
I’m thinking a Ruddster return might give Talcum a second chance, from memory he only lost by one vote last time.
And without Peter Slipper – Tony’s bestest friend it may never have happened!
I’m amazed you can work out PvO’s politics. I can’t. Socially progressive economically conservative but will not call fraud when it’s right in front of him is how I see it. But why wouldn’t you read what he has to write?
No Abbott was elected unopposed last time
Thanx James.
But why wouldn’t you read what he has to write?
You really must get a hold on sarcasm and satire, James … HTF do you think I formed my opinion of him … reasoning might help too … surely after seven years you must know that I’m not a “blind follower of fkn fashion” …
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No Abbott was elected unopposed last time
yes that is true … but his election against Turnbull was by one vote … and that’s what we were discussing … muddy all you want … at the next election Abbott will either be Opposition Leader and lose … or will have already lost to Turnbull who will lead the LiBNits to victory … watch this space …
‘Turnbull who will lead the LiBNits to victory …’
Talcum would have to drop the tax or the Nats will walk away from the coalition.
“We owe them, as far as the Loans go”
Very true…Just one problem for the Chinese…How would they go about collecting?
*one to bookmark.
Mr-Talkbull has been lending his arse and credibility to Mr-Rabbit and his idiot ideals way too often on QandaLand regarding NBN technology. Mr-Talkbull has definitely lost the nerds and geeks.
Wisconsin Shooting
Abc1 says ” gunman has Left 3 dead in shooting “
Wixxy`s Latest ( for Tom-R )
I know you are interested Tom, here is the Link
http://wixxyleaks.com/2012/10/22/the-jackson-five/
Afghanistan
Abc1 .. It sounds like another Australian soldier is killed or seriously injured by breakfast-news noise,
“next of kin notified”,
9am defense force address media
Well, it seems that people have been attracted to Gillard following her “misogynist” attack. It demonstrates that Abbott really is unlikeable, though the same can be said of Gillard.
Turnbull has lost the geek and nerd vote!! Funny! But by now they would have to be the only demographic that thinks broadband is the best way to spend $10,000 per family. Personally, I’d prefer that the government provided me with a bathroom renovation with my $10K.
Though my elderly mother might prefer a reduction in hospital waiting lists.
With a cost that is about 4 or 5 times that of the next most expensive in the world, this government is creating a huge white elephant.
It’s quite famous for that type of thing.
There are stories going the rounds that joolya, in her quest to return budget to surplus, is throwing a spanner in Barry O’Farrell’s infrastructure plans.
‘A LONG-TIME staunch Labor supporter and former union boss is calling for a public inquiry into a secret slush fund at the heart of a fraud scandal that has dogged Julia Gillard since 1995.
‘Tim Daly, a Labor member for 35 years and head of the Australian Workers Union in Western Australia for a decade until 2008, said the slush fund was unprecedented in its operation, secrecy and the very large amounts of cash it raised.’
Hedley Thomas in the Oz.
The AWU slush fund scandal will haunt Gillard. She deserves it too.
If she had owned up earlier, made a full disclosure, she’d be in the clear. Instead she used the excuse (exclusively available to women) – ‘I was young and naive’
‘RESTORING Kevin Rudd to the Labor leadership would boost the government’s primary vote by 11 percentage points and put it on track for victory at a federal election, according to leaked polling for the union movement.
The polling, conducted by Galaxy Research from October 12-15 for a major left-wing union and obtained by The Australian, shows Labor would be transformed from a losing position in three key marginal seats under Julia Gillard’s leadership to victories in all of them if Mr Rudd were restored to the prime ministership.’
Sid Maher in the Oz
My, we are haveing our own little slag fest here aren’t we … just slushing over old ground I see …
Now let me have a look at some of the crap here …
Well, it seems that people have been attracted to Gillard following her “misogynist” attack.
To the tune of 50% acceptance as PM I see and Tony Robot … well lets have a look at figures from Crikey … (from the latest Neilsen poll – disclaimer I am a member of YourVoice) …
See ToM – give people the WHOLE picture and it changes a bit …
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Turnbull has lost the geek and nerd vote!! Funny! But by now they would have to be the only demographic that thinks broadband is the best way to spend $10,000 per family. Personally, I’d prefer that the government provided me with a bathroom renovation with my $10K.
A couple of points here, ToM, Turnbull’s claim to fame is as a banker who dropped the ball but ended up rich anyway … he’s no nerd or geek … but n&gs aren’t all that cluey with money either … most don’t have any …
As for your numbers $10, 0000 per family is a number from – where – the air? And if you think you can renovate your bathroom for $10,000 in 2012 you’ve either got a small bathroom or pretty basic taste in bathrooms … or no expewrience in engaging a bathroom renovator … (I do- oh yes I do!) …
And here are comments from a RICH nerd who MADE IT!
http://afr.com/p/technology/wozniak_likes_australia_broadband_lz4NGUtmpS2PvD55EJ4eoL
Oh! And the waiting list you referred to… Though my elderly mother might prefer a reduction in hospital waiting lists. … is a state responsibility but either you knew that and wanted to fog the issue a bit (more) … or you didn’t – and that doesn’t surprise me much anyway …
With a cost that is about 4 or 5 times that of the next most expensive in the world..
Let’s clarify this a bit … one of the richest CONTINENTS in the world will have fibre optic broadband – it will be the only CONTINENT … BTW … the countries you refer to are less than microscopic in relation to Australia …
I must say too that you have the option not to play on the huge white elephant … but I bet you will …
Did ToM refer to specific countries?
Did ToM refer to specific countries?
WGAF! He didn’t refer to any fkn thing … he just did his usual fit up fkn job … Defender of the Troof?
BTW … James .. WGAF what ToM DIDN”T refer to that’s the whole fkn point — what DID he refer to — his fkn bathroom and his fkn Mum (apologies to ToM’s, Mum) … no references no links just another opinion piece … I can read those anywhere these days …
Start by refuting my links, quotes and data rather than attempting to “defend” nonsense ramblings … oh wait … that’s what you do … FMD!
You might notice I spent some time “refuting” ToM’s ramblings and your contribution was …
Did ToM refer to specific countries?
Short answer … no … so what? 🙄
Well TB, Australia is about the most urbanised country in the world, so despite the large land mass, the population is quite concentrated.
Despite this, our NBN is going to cost about $2,500 a head. The nearest in expense is bout $500. It’s bizarre.
We’re not getting the “rolled gold” standard, we’re getting the solid gold one.
A year behind schedule, and billions over budget, with big executive bonuses paid, NBN is a typical government enterprise.
Well TB, Australia is about the most urbanised country in the world
BS! Prove it to me!
It takes six fkn HOURS to fly the length of the East Coast of Australia! And the same to fly from Brisbane to perth!
http://www.workliveplay.qld.gov.au/dsdweb/v4/apps/web/content.cfm?id=15055
Despite this, our NBN is going to cost about $2,500 a head
What happened to the $10, 000 per family? And where do these “numbers” come from?
Prove it to me!
We’re not getting the “rolled gold” standard, we’re getting the solid gold one.
You mean the BEST in the WORLD … and you have a problem with that? I don’t …
A year behind schedule, and billions over budget, with big executive bonuses paid, NBN is a typical government enterprise.
Prove it to me!
Waffle! From the Liberal ice cream shoppe …
NBN is a typical government enterprise. Well not really, the LibNit governments I’ve lived under NEVER have vision and ALWAYS let national infrastructure decay … along come the ALP and renovate and spend and get the “blame” for bringing the nation back from the brink …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country
This suggests that we are very urbanised TB. Most (90%+) people live in cities.
This suggests that we are very urbanised TB. Most (90%+) people live in cities.
90%+ ???? … your furphy actually says 89% … what’s that got to do with a DISTANCE of laying cables …
Even Google maps can’t cope!
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
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Melbourne to Cairns …
And then another 1000 kliks to Cape York …!
You small state residents really don’t get distance … just like the Poms … London to Edinburgh about seven hours … Brisbane to Charleville eight hours … and the state keeps going! And going! And going! And going! If you can find the road!
Melbourne to Wagga — 5 hours … get it yet? Other countries aren’t like Australia … that’s what makes us unique and the best in the world! Fkn gold standards … shit!
In Australia, it was costing $US2837.61 ($2795.50) to connect fibre-optic cable to hook a household up to the NBN for speeds of at least 100 megabits per second.
In South Korea, which has encouraged the private sector to do the rollout, the cost for each household is $114.65 for a service of 1Gbps – meaning that Australia’s broadband is costing 24 times as much, even though it is delivering much slower speeds.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/taxpayers-lead-the-world-in-funding-labor-broadband-bill/story-fn59niix-1226003302845
South Korea already have an NBN in place, they are simply upgrading it. Also, they don’t have, as TB has laboriously been attempting to highlight for you, thousands of kilometres of absolute nothingness to stretch fibre-optic cables between.
…and as I’ve pointed out, 90% of Australians live in cities. The cost of city installation should be no more expensive than other cities, ie maybe $500 a head.
The cost of running cable through vacant land isn’t high. That’s not where all the cost is.
For about a tenth of the cost the government could build the spine of the network around the country, connect every school, public library, university, public hospital.
The private sector could then connect houses from this infrastructure – without the huge burden/risk on the taxpayer.
The solid gold program of the government is simply wasteful.
thousands of kilometres of absolute nothingness to stretch fibre-optic cables between.
If only you could achieve a similar result wirelessly…..
“For about a tenth of the cost the government could build the spine of the network around the country, connect every school, public library, university, public hospital.
The private sector could then connect houses from this infrastructure – without the huge burden/risk on the taxpayer.”
LOL…!
Don’t you think that the govt would on-charge the cost of the “spine network” as you call it, to those private enterprises who would simply pass on those charges (plus their margin of course) plus their retail costs, connection and usage costs to those retail customers….??
So in other words, you think that the govt (ie taxpayers) should fund private enterprises by providing all the technical infrastructure, and then telco steps in at the very last stage of the process and says “yes, we can connect you to the NBN that you have already paid for but that will be $10,000 (plus our “connection fees” of course) thanks very much, otherwise you won’t get to use what you’ve already paid for….”
🙄
“If only you could achieve a similar result wirelessly…..”
Unfortunately wireless is unreliable, hence the reason for digital cable.
I’m buying this new house but the driveway is old and decrepid.
SWANNY??????
Reb, at the end of the day, the taxpayer is paying for gamers, movie viewers, bloggers, and various other online geeks to do whatever it is they do a couple of seconds quicker. It is a fkn stupid waste of taxpayers’ money.
I like cable.
If only you could achieve a similar result wirelessly…..
Unfortunately, you can’t
Actually, technically, you might be able to come close, but that would require a wireless tower about every 100m, or something ridiculous like that, and even then, it is still restricted by spectrum
at the end of the day, the taxpayer is paying for doctors, dentists, manufacturers, IT companies, Toolrooms, Surveyors, Engineers, home businesses….
Fixed it for ya snacty 😉
If you could see the amount of data being transferred between businesses today, and the amount of data being foreshadowed to be transferred when the ability is there, you might not be so pessimistic.
It is all going to the cloud, and we are continually requiring more and more data as processes and computing poser increases.
I like cable.
I like wireless. But it all comes from a cable at some point. And the closer that cable is, the better.
Oh come on James, that’s straight out of the Liberal party speaking points…
Reliable broadband is critical to many Australian and overseas businesses these days.
Take the freight forwarding industry for example, freight forwarders and shipping companies are critically dependant on a network that provides rapid document clearance with Customs.
If that network goes down, then Australia’s trade and transport system comes to a grinding hault.
15 years ago that network was provided by a single company that had a dial up internet option or a considerably more expensive private network system. Both were not all that reliable and it was not uncommon for outages of several hours to occur.
So if you were an importer with say two hundred thousand dollars of fresh prawns sitting in a container at Port Melbourne waiting for clearance you could imagine how this could affect your business.
Today that system now operates on an open broadband network. The result is 99.9% network uptime and no monopoly supplier which means cheaper useage costs for the user and faster turnaround times for document processing.
To suggest that this is somehow just about gamers and geeks having faster internet simply illustrates why some people shouldn’t even be engaged in the duscussion at all. It simply highlights their profound ignorance.
If it is of advantage to business. Business will pay for the connection from the node. If it’s worth having domestically, families will pay for connection to the home.
Happy for the taxpayer to fund the structure. So where does that leave us financially?
Unfknblvble that those who cried for so long about middle class welfare seem so happy for this new kind of business, middle class welfare at so much greater cost.
To suggest that this is somehow just about gamers and geeks having faster internet simply illustrates why some people shouldn’t even be engaged in the duscussion at all.
When it comes to connecting fibre to every home that is indeed what it is about.
So you’re suggesting that the “home user” as outlined in the scenario above, should be slugged with a hefty connection fee, to access a network that as a taxpayer they’ve already paid for?
Care to comment on the business scenario I illustrated above, or explain why they should’ve just been content with the set up they had 15 years ago?
It’s funny how the Libtards seem to think that Australia should be happy with second class technology…
How’s that for future planning…
The Libtards technology plan…
“investing in technology that will take Australia right back to the 1950’s”
So far we have-
• Huge NBN executive bonuses paid
• Roll out a year behind schedule
• Higher costs
• Lower take up rates
… and this is just the beginning. But despite all this, apparently we shouldn’t bother to consider the alternatives.
Many of the public benefit arguments presented have related to education, health sectors. Fine install it throughout those sectors at public cost.
When does the HUGE cost of running cable past every dwelling in the country (funded by the public) start to become a little excessive? At $50bn? $60bn? Just nominate a figure, because I think NBN Co will eventually exceed it.
Fine install it throughout those sectors at public cost.
And run it straight past all those other premises, so we get to dig it all up again as people can afford it (at twice the price). And ignore everyone else. Which really limits the ‘health sector’ bit you mentioned, I might add)
What a backwards plan that is 😯
Ok, then let’s have the taxpayer fund electricty connections to the home….
http://www.westernpower.com.au/residents/connections/newconnections.html
Phone lines…..
http://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=36269
Driveways……
http://www.driveways.com.au/?ACDP=403#
Gas…….
http://www.bubhub.com.au/community/forums/archive/index.php/t-354365.html
ffs, is he serious?
All far more necessary than super fast broadband.
‘When does the HUGE cost of running cable past every dwelling in the country (funded by the public) start to become a little excessive?’
Money well spent, if we can afford the luxury.
As someone who has worked in the area of IT networks, I fail to see why Australia should spend money on a second rate system, which seems to be the argument of the Libtards..
Still waiting for sancty’s response to the business sceanrio I outlined above…
What “huge executive bonuses” or is that just SYMU?
Physically Abbott is a poor man’s Putin.
Intellectualy Abbott is a poor man’s Palin
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/10/21/nielsen-52-48-to-coalition-2/?comment_page=35/#comment-1450047
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
EXECUTIVES at the company building the national broadband network pocketed more than $600,000 in bonuses last financial year despite the project running a year behind schedule.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-execs-get-600000-20121020-27yjr.html#ixzz2A4yFgrdm
Quigley declined his $300K+ bonus, other executives didn’t. So running a year behind schedule, NBN wanted to pay a million in exec bonuses!!
That’s a government enterprise for you.
That is a disgrace ToM!
That’s a government enterprise for you.
Thank god it’s not a friggin bank 😯
My response to the business scenario is simply this…….if the business can be done better through a fibre cable to the business, then the business should pay to connect a fibre cable to the business. Just as they should pay for a new set of laptops, iPhones, or whatever other technology improves their output.
and a road too!
No, TomR, not a road. But certainly a driveway if one is necessary.
“if the business can be done better through a fibre cable to the business, then the business should pay to connect a fibre cable to the business”
I agree, however if the business upgrades its systems only to connect to a substandard system then the investment has been a waste of money.
It’s a bit like going out and buying the latest digital TV only to get home and find that all you can pick up is a black and white analogue picture.
Sometimes a significant upgrade is required on a national scale, and I for one have no qualms about the govt making this investment in the nation’s future.
Those who oppose it with the pissy “gamers and geeks” response are really saying “but what’s wrong with black and white TV anyway?”
In the business example I used above, the govt spent millions upgrading its Customs clearance systems and networks.
Businesses were given the option to either connect via the new reliable high speed ISDN network or connect via the slow speed dial-up or private network (with the associated delays in document processing and system outtages)
I could tell you exactly how many decided to stay on the old systems, so I will, none.
Likewise, when businesses and households experience the benefits of the NBN I imagine previously tolerable services will seem archaic by comparison.
It would be like reverting your existing internet service back to a 14.4kb modem by today’s standards. Simply unthinkable.
Likewise, when businesses and households experience the benefits of the NBN I imagine previously tolerable services will seem archaic by comparison.
It would be like reverting your existing internet service back to a 14.4kb modem by today’s standards. Simply unthinkable.
I’m sure that’s right. But something shouldn’t be taxpayer funded just because it’s great.
Personally, I like the idea of Australia of being internationally competitive…
It’s not just a matter of investing in something because it’s “great” as you say, it’s a matter of investing because it’s essential to our very ability to remain competitive globally.
International competitiveness where Broadband is concerned exists with FTTN. At about 25% of the cost. The rest is simply funding geeks etc…
Swan says Coalition need to support fiscal measures to help lower interest rates.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/oppn-must-help-lower-interest-rates-swan/story-e6frfku9-1226501534340
Good God is he possibly the most fundamentally stupid Treasurer this nation has ever seen? Interest rates are at 3.25%. How much lower does he want them to go? 2%? 1%? There is a purpose in there being a cost to borrow money.
Bet no journo calls him on it though.
Bet no journo calls him on it though.
They might have heard him use the term ‘flexibility’ 😉
Meanwhile, Hockey thinks paying someone $3,00 is a ‘penalty’, and it is somehow akin to China’s One Baby policy 😯
Swan, World’s Greatest Treasurer 🙂
Like I said, anyone who thinks the NBN is all about providing high speed internet for geeks and gamers shouldn’t even be engaging in the discussion if its merits..
FOOL!
I’m sure that’s right. But something shouldn’t be taxpayer funded just because it’s great.
You obviously like USA style capitalism … try making an international phone call there and you end up with three or four telephone bills for one call! As your “call” enters the “business space” of the “provider”, they charge you … effectively trebling or quadrupling the cost … greed over speed …
… and retailing our power bills has been a great success in all Australian states … lucky the states retained the “infrastructure” at least …
So where should water run to … a node at the end of the road? Or to property boundary?
As for “wireless”, it will actually benefit from the NBN …
… but don’t listen to me (you rarely do) … try this …
http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/why-not-wireless/
But, but, but TB, The bible teaches us that Jesus favoured the wireless.
Are there Robber Barons out there?
You betcha!
But, but, but TB, The bible teaches us that Jesus favoured the wireless.
No, my friend, the bible is the way and the word … the original “social networking” tool … 😉
My new car … purchased today … new Hyundai Santa Fe Elite …
From TB’s link…
“Goldman Sachs denies Smith’s allegations about deceiving clients. The bank says it took his concerns seriously, thoroughly investigated them, and found no evidence to support them.”
Gee, how surprisement.
And Smith is …. 33!
He has a risen again to smite the moneylenders at the temple of Wall St … yea verily!
Very nice vehicle TB, I’m glad you decided to go for beige instead of white. Does it have a beige interior aswell? To think, if you were to sit in there in your safari suit you’d practically disappear into the background!! 🙂
US style capitalism? Is that what I said? And what has religion got to do with it?
Seems to me a few around here have developed a misplaced sense of entitlement. Maybe, TB, you can get the Government to pay for your new car. I’m sure it makes you happy.
Noice car TB but have you considered your carbon footprint?
I’m glad you decided to go for beige instead of white
It’s actually called “creamy white” for some reason and no the interior is black … leather …
Seems to me a few around here have developed a misplaced sense of entitlement
… and it seems to me a few around here have a misplaced sense of humour …. 😆
Noice car TB but have you considered your carbon footprint?
I have indeed, egg … here ya go …
http://www.hyundai.com.au/vehicles/santa-fe/specification-range
And while I’m on the subject, they didn’t talk about the weather or CC for the first time in a generation.
Just sayin…
A sun roof makes it almost sporty, very flash indeed. I’m considering life as a grey nomad so it doesn’t appeal to me.
No sun roof, egg, that’s Highlander version … I’ve got the Elite …. no sunroof or seat heating needed in QLD … it’s also my first diesel engine (my 12 yo car has a 3.5 V6) … and it goes like the clappers! Astounding torque …
It’s Korea isn’t it….?
All torque and no action no doubt, just like their “dear leader.”
🙂
LOL! So’s Samsung! Did you know Samsung TV’s have a camera in them to relay info right out of lounge room!
(Disclaimer: I own Samsung TVs)
I notice the cluster map doesn’t show too many hits in the middle east … nor have we been visited by, sp, since, wally and tosy, spat the dummy … James must be off looking for his sense of humour … 😉
Correction: When wally was sacked and tosy, spat the dummy …
We still haven’t found a finance editor to replace him.
‘Whenever foreign policy enters Australian public debate, a sort of snide smart-alec attitude is never far behind.
‘One of its hallmarks is the stock assumption that Australia is acting beyond its station whenever it tries to accomplish anything of note.
‘Charming Australian self-deprecation becomes a crippling self-dismissal.
We’re too small, too insignificant, too far away, too irrelevant.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/others-take-australia-seriously–and-we-should-too-20121022-281ha.html#ixzz2A6gARaX0
I’ve just upgraded my scanner software … Hamrick’s Vuescan … the professional version cost me US$79.95 in 2009 and gives me unlimited access to all future upgrades … if you haven’t used it you should … the software is everything that manufacturers should have done (the guy is an ex NASA photographer and knows his stuff!) … and deserves free advertising …
http://www.hamrick.com/
I think this is the car TB traded in.
I think this is the car TB traded in.
And as usual, ToM, got it wrong … wrong car and I don’t trade my cars I sell ’em ( I spent a year selling new cars … and flogging trades … mate, I sell ’em – better return)
My guess, that’s , ToM’s, car (his version of a “woody” … and at a guess a 1950’s Hillman) … and I confess my old man let me drive around my suburb at 16 yo in his 1940 Austin 40 ute …
This is where I grew up with my grandad …magic stuff for me …
‘Japan’s exports plunged 10.3pc in September from a year ago, dimming hopes of rapid recovery in the Far East. Exports to Europe crashed 21pc. Shipments to China fell 14pc as the Diaoyu-Senkaku islands dispute led to a slump in car sales. Honda, Mazda, and Nissan all saw sales plunge near 30pc as Chinese consumers boycotted Japanese brands. Nomura said the export slump will push country into full recession.’
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
So many tworgs in Strahan.
So many tworgs in Strahan.
Bin there! Hope you called it Strawn! Aren’t the villages tiny?
Did ya check out the timber “shop” near the wharf … and the PRICES! Whoa!
And we just loved driving around the mountain road into Queenst-o-o-o-o-o-w-n! (Don’t look down!)
Pop in to the mining museum at Zeehan if you can …
Winter is coming!
A Storm of Swords has begun!
http://www.news.com.au/national/fraud-squad-raids-craig-thomson-house/story-fndo4eg9-1226502027526
Fraud squad raids Craig Thomson!
But, but, but…he’s innocent…he has no case to answer…Julia has complete confidence in him…wait for the FWA investigation…no, no, no, the FWA is corrupt…it’s all the fault of that bitch Kathy Jackson…she got someone to do it all…he has a nice wife…think of the baby…
The LibTard Gazette
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All ` True ` Liberals should refrain from acknowledging that national infrastructure is good for business and paint it as a citizen and government luxury as previous projects have been. The Snowy Mountain Scheme is one such ponzi scheme that made no improvement to the nation, government, citizens or business. It was just a vote buying political stunt that could have been done much cheaper by private enterprise.
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The NBN is merely a token acknowledgment of Rudd being visionary with the term `Rudd`s Roll-Out` trying to be enshrined in political history, while ignoring the great vision of Howard and his wisdom of setting Telstra free in the marketplace of ideals. There is no real need for this great waste of tax-payer investment because if email needed to be sent faster, private enterprise would have already built it, just as private enterprise has built the majority of our fine nations infrastructure.
‘In a strongly worded speech to an energy gathering, to be given today, the chairman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Mr Rod Sims, blames much of the rise in electricity prices – which have doubled in some parts of NSW over past few years – on unnecessary spending on “poles and wires” which has made up as much as half of the spending over the past five years.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/3-billion-overcharge-on-power-bills-accc-20121024-2846w.html#ixzz2ACRI9vIr
Although he didn’t mention it, I’m assuming the other half has something to do with joolya’s green energy policy.
AGE IS JUST A NUMBER!
Don’t Mess With Older Folk! Ever!
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/news/home-invader-no-match-for-83-year-old-black-belt-in-kenmore-home-invasion/story-fncvfxcm-1226504363640#ixzz2AU7PHIt0
” tried to push past him and ran onto the blade. ”
LOL, fckn LOL
Too bad he didn`t run `repeatedly` onto the blade.
” ran into the blade”.
Chuckle … 🙂
Do you suspect he was told to say that? By someone wearing dark blue?
Queensland the s mart state … 😛
ABOUT BLOODY TIME SOMEONE WOKE TO WHERE WE ACTUALLY LIVE!
But, but, Mr Abbott, (Australia’s No 1 Anglophile 🙄 – closely followed by Noddy Newman 😯 ), previous LibNit Governments did NOTHING in Australia to develop our status in the region … progress is not in the LibNit’s limited vocabulary …
I thought Abbott said it’s all good stuff, just a little short on detail in some areas.
‘Despite the personal nature of the head-to-head contest between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott over claims of sexism and misogyny, there has been little change for the personal support of the two leaders.’
Shanahan in the Oz
Its a little known fact that ‘after leaving prison in England, Oscar Wilde took refuge in Palermo.’
‘A gay man who shrugged off three mafia plots to kill him is poised to become Sicily’s first homosexual governor in elections that show the centre left advancing at the expense of Silvio Berlusconi’s right-wing party.
‘Representing a coalition of Italy’s centre-left Democratic Party and the Catholic UDC party, Rosario Crocetta is leading against the candidate of Mr Berlusconi’s People of Freedom (PDL) and a contender representing the maverick movement of the comedian Beppe Grillo, who trailed in third place.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/antimafia-campaigner-draws-on-gay-struggle-20121030-28gaq.html#ixzz2Aj7JMV4x
Sorry TB .. Joolya`s
Is Largely pie in the sky bullshit to pacify some parts of the Leftoid Factions (teachers_unions) which will amount to zilch. This is a replica of multi-skilling, which didn`t amount to much for most. China and India already produce more English speaker`s than Australia`s population, just Like they do with doctors and engineers. If China or India need translators, they already have them. If Australian business want translators, they won`t pay Australian rates for them when they can import an asian slave in much cheeper, as Gina has been trying to do and Queensland Health already has, Doctors, Nurses.
joolya’s denial over her involvement in the coup is going to be exposed and it won’t sit well with the electorate.
Tony Abbott’s second love child will make a bigger headline …
Tony Abbott’s Prime Ministership will make biggest headline
• Julia apparently promised there won’t be a Carbon Tax
•Julia then promised she’d back the Wilkie poker reforms
• Julia claims she decided to challenge Rudd on simple impulse. Just like picking up a Mars Bar at the checkout.
• Julia reckons they’ll still get a Surplus
• Julia says she’s answered all the AWU slush fund allegations even when new damning evidence emerges and news that a file has somehow been “lost”.
Polls show people believe she’s a bullshit artist and cannot be trusted.
Perhaps pollsters should also ask if voters believe she is corrupt
Polls show people believe she’s a bullshit artist
If polls asked if she was corrupt I wonder what the result might be?
pollsters should also ask if voters believe she is corrupt
All my other dot points were in regard to breach of promises. The AWU allegations relate to corruption and covering it up.
Mr Thomson is facing the same issues. She defended him repeatedly.
Mr Williamson has already been charged.
Gillard is already deeply (and legitimately) distrusted
You’ve made some profound observations, though some seem a little familiar.
PMs blatant lying that gets my goat. ’I didn’t knife Kev’