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October 31, 2012

Tony Abbott gets some help with his costume for “trick or treat”

 

Here is a Halloween edition of Rostrum!

 

 

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  1. October 31, 2012 10:12 am

    FORMER Health Services Union (HSU) boss Michael Williamson has appeared in a Sydney court, where he had 28 more charges laid against him.

    The extra charges include 27 alleged fraud offences and one charge of money laundering.
    One of the fraud charges allegedly involved $600,000 of misused money, $400,000 of which was illegally laundered.

    Williamson appeared in Waverley Local Court on Wednesday accompanied by his lawyer and brother.

    Outside court, Fraud and Cyber Crime Squad commander Colin Dyson told reporters it was likely even more charges would be laid and at least two more union staff may face arrest.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/ex-hsu-boss-charged-with-28-more-offences/story-e6frfku9-1226507290158#ixzz2ApKAbeVK

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2012 10:35 am

    Thank Christ for Christwire…

    As for “secret” No. 14 — Exterminate the buggers I say … there are ten million in Australian homes and they destroy on average three indigenous creatures each a year! That’s 30,000,000 birds, animals and reptiles each year …

    I can’t comment on the other 13 “secrets” listed … most of it sounds to be true …

  3. el gordo permalink
    October 31, 2012 12:29 pm

    The Thompson Affair

    Channeling the Bolter

    ‘Ms Hart received a threatening letter from Mr McArdle claiming her comments were defamatory. ‘’We will commence proceedings … most likely after we have achieved dismissal of the defective and wrongly based litigation that has been commenced against him.’’

    guffaw

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 1:26 pm

    It’s amazing the way barrackers rewrite history.

    Gillard didn’t commit to a ‘carbon price’ this term. She committed to-
    *Building community consensus, saying that the reform would fail without it
    *Organising a big committee to help
    *Not introducing the scheme until the end of the term, and no earlier than July 2013, and
    *Not introducing a carbon tax

    She’s broken each of the pledges she made on the issue.

  5. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 31, 2012 2:46 pm

    So, so far we have HSU, AWU, TWU, and now CFMEU. Any big ones left?

    BOO!!

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2012 2:59 pm

    Tomorrow the ICAC public hearings into alleged ALP corruption begin. Over the coming weeks we should learn a lot more about how things are done in Unionland.

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 3:37 pm

    There’s a whiff about the acceptance of director’s fees of about $100k by the former head of another union.

    The fees were for representing the member’s interests in super funds etc. Most officials consider this role part of their job, some others see it as a great big rort.

  8. el gordo permalink
    October 31, 2012 4:14 pm

    Did somebody mention fiefdom?

  9. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    October 31, 2012 4:17 pm

    Thiefdom ?

  10. October 31, 2012 5:53 pm

    Fifedom…?

  11. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 6:48 pm

    ETU? Riordan? More like half a million!

  12. October 31, 2012 7:25 pm

    Dear young people, you will never have the satisfaction or how good it felt slamming down a receiver of a rotary phone.

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 7:33 pm

    ETU? Riordan? More like half a million!

    I think you need to be more respectful..

    That’s FWA Commission Riordan to you!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 7:34 pm

    Gillard appointee – FWA Commissioner Riordan.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2012 8:11 pm

    So, so far we have HSU, AWU, TWU, and now CFMEU. Any big ones left?
    BOO!!

    Before I post a reply to this, I want to know what you know about unions …

    Do you know why (ie the history of) we have unions?

    Do you know why unions are part of the modern business landscape?

    Have you ever been a member of a union – and if so which one (and why)?

    Do you believe we would be better off without unions?

    Do you think unions serve any purpose?

    Do you think we should simply disband unions or, as has been suggested previously at TDT, hold unions to monetary accountability exactly the same as we do with businesses?

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 8:37 pm

    Well TB, I think I probably have more experience as a union official than anyone else on this or most other sites.

    So I’m inclined to provide a brief comment…

    ➢ Unions and their officials are conflicted by their political affiliations and personal ambitions.
    ➢ Many union officials are motivated by a sense of winning blue and being seen to win, rather than achieving effective outcomes for their members
    ➢ The orientation of the ALP is skewed by the controlling union affiliation
    ➢ The ALP, preselection and a seat in parliament is treated is the superannuation top up for many union officials
    ➢ There is a place for unions, but they need to be constrained, particularly in manufacturing, construction and mining.
    ➢ Industrial disputation should be the last resort, not an early option.
    ➢ In bargaining, there needs to be a balance of pain – because that’s what industrial action is supposed to inflict. There is unequal balance in the current system.
    ➢ The body that arbitrates and conciliates about disputation has no role in also policing criminal behaviour.

  17. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 8:42 pm

    Yes
    Yes
    No
    No
    Yes
    The second alternative.

  18. October 31, 2012 8:46 pm

    I think I preferred the bullet points …. (just a bit easier on the eye)

    Just sayin…

  19. el gordo permalink
    October 31, 2012 8:47 pm

    Looking at Tom’s list I’m inclined to accept his view of unionland.

  20. October 31, 2012 8:53 pm

    Egg, as much as I hate to admit it, I find that ToM is almost always correct on the issues he’s passionate about…

    And yes, it does pain me to admit it…

    In much the same way as occasionally I agree with Snacty…

    But I think that’s what separates me from the Libtards and the barrackers, I allow myself to change my mind…

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 9:46 pm

    That’s because people here don’t like political dishonesty.

    I thought I’d give TB the respect of having some snazzy dot points!

  22. You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    October 31, 2012 10:27 pm

    Did you know that dolphins often participate in gang bangs and orgies in the wild.

    Just read about it sitting in the sun .

    Click click I say

    Anyone see Arsenals victory yesterday ?

  23. el gordo permalink
    October 31, 2012 10:39 pm

    ‘I allow myself to change my mind…’

    Just as I suspected.

  24. You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    October 31, 2012 10:47 pm

    ‘I allow myself to change my mind…’

    When the facts change I do too .

  25. el gordo permalink
    October 31, 2012 10:48 pm

    Following up on BBs suggestion that dolphins engage in gang bangs, it seems some also get involved in same sex relationships to assist in group bonding.

    Surprise surprise, gayness is natural and widespread.

    http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/16/same-sex_behavior_common_in_animals/

  26. James of North Melbourne permalink
    October 31, 2012 10:57 pm

    I used to have a gay Irish Setter.

  27. November 1, 2012 1:48 am

    Tom-Melb`s brief comments

    ➢ Unions and their officials are conflicted by their political affiliations and personal ambitions.
    Bullshit. Many unions/associations are not part of the ALP machinery. Police unions for one, Etu Vic parted ways with the ALP and sponsored Bandt, a Green in Vic.
    .
    ➢ Many union officials are motivated by a sense of
    `winning blue` WTF ??
    and being seen to win, rather than achieving effective outcomes for their members
    .
    ➢ The orientation of the ALP is skewed by the controlling union affiliation
    The orientation of the LIBs is skewed by the controlling Corporate affiliation
    .
    ➢ The ALP, preselection and a seat in parliament is treated is the superannuation top up for many union officials
    The LIBs, preselection and a seat in parliament is treated is the superannuation top up for Low Quality Lawyers and Washed-Up Corporate Types

  28. November 1, 2012 2:09 am

    Tom-Melb`s brief comments part 2
    .
    ➢ There is a place for unions, but they need to be constrained, particularly in manufacturing, construction and mining.
    There is a place for Directors, but they need to be constrained, particularly in their salaries, their back-dated stock options and their cash bonuses.
    .
    ➢ Industrial disputation should be the last resort, not an early option.
    Casualising Jobs should be the last resort, not an early option.
    .
    ➢ In bargaining, there needs to be a `balance of pain` WTF – because that’s what industrial action is supposed to inflict. bullshit There is unequal balance in the current system. How? Very generic, vague teabag shit in this one Tom
    .
    ➢ The body that arbitrates and conciliates about disputation has no role in also policing criminal behaviour.
    The construction `Policing` body has charged corrupt company directors/managers not `workers`

  29. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 8:24 am

    Professor Bunyip puts the boot into the Age’s environment editor.

    http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/karolygate-iv.html

  30. November 1, 2012 9:02 am

    The only thing in need of disposal here is inside the suit!!

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 10:19 am

    Well, thanks, ToM, and good rebuttal from, 730 …

    FYI, James, the reason I asked the question is because industrial relations is never “black & white” nor, simple “yes” and “no” answers … the shades of grey on BOTH sides makes it difficult to be as one sided as ToM can tend to get … ie he seems to forget (as 730 rightly points out) that the LibNits have an equally disruptive section of aresholes who only care about themselves and power and not the society they represent …

    Blaming ALL unions and all officials is as unfair as blaming all managers and directors … we all know that the wrongdoers in the unions need their arses kicked, the same as business “leaders” who steal, cheat and lie …

    … that behaviour is not exclusive to unions … ANZ just had a manager who stole $5 million … and some of the shonky deals I’ve witnessed and argued against in boardroom’s of VERY large companies would make your hair curl …

    And ToM, after reading your posts over the years, I have to agree with… Well TB, I think I probably have more experience as a union official than anyone else on this or most other sites … I was only an AMWU rep many years ago after refusing to join for over six months … after the union threatened to take my mates out on strike, I agreed to join but wanted a union rule book – free (they were $5) … I got my rule book … a couple of days later the union secretary came to see me and asked me to be the rep …

    However, my guess is that I have more experience on the other side of the fence as a manager dealing with unions (HR, auto service, production, WH&S, and competeny based training) and both here in Australia and PNG (we tought them too!) …

    While unions need to be regulated much like businesses they are simply the product of poorly educated/trained, ill-informed, greedy or selfish directors and/or management teams … the wolves in unions need to be culled … but the unions are a necessary brake to management putting its foot down on the workforce …

  32. November 1, 2012 10:37 am

    Looks like “there is no leadership speculation” only this time it’s Tony Abbott…

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/the-pack-circles/453/

  33. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:06 am

    Seccombe is clutching at straws with his ‘oh wait, look over there’ speculations.

    On the union issue, we can look to China and witness the birth of unions, most are weak and have little power to protect workers rights. So there is a need for organised labour to develop a middle class society and that is what China needs right now.

    In Australian the process appears to have broken down through corrupt practice, which must have an impact on the political wing.

  34. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:15 am

    Talking of corrupt practice…

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:33 am

    but the unions are a necessary brake to management putting its foot down on the workforce …

    Exactly, the slave owners will have their feet on the necks of their slaves until the blood sweat and tears pour out of them. The uncle tom overseer, will happily crack his whip over the backs of the slaves ’til the skin splits. All of them quoting from the bible and moralising about how the slaves could improve and stop wasting their lives.

    Egg, as much as I hate to admit it, I find that ToM is almost always correct on the issues he’s passionate about…

    The one-eyed barracker will lay all blame for the play on the opposing team, can never see or admit any fault or contributing factors from his own players and team.

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:48 am

    Destroy! Gillard Government Goes All Dalek On Charities:
    http://ipa.org.au/news/2775/destroy!-gillard-government-goes-all-dalek-on-charities

    Gee, could the Not For Profits/Charities profiteers be concerned that they might have to actually account for the taxpayer $ that they receive and invest while building their empires? And my heavens, the IPA and others might have to declare their donors.
    Unthinkable, is there no safe haven?

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:57 am

    Noice to see you, KL! 😉

    Re charities … its always struck me the number of “stars” of sport, screen or stage … who invariably set up a fund of some sort or other when they retire …

    Two tax havens that need to be seriously addressed are “Family Trusts” (divide and conquer) … and “negative gearing” … hidey holes for the Robber Barons & Family …

  38. November 1, 2012 12:00 pm

    NIce to see you back KL…. 🙂

  39. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:03 pm

    Kitty’s in fine form.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:08 pm

    TB & 7.30 – The ethics involved in working for a union should be entirely different to those involved in a company.

    Union ethics should legitimately be compared to those applied to charitable/not for profit organisations.

    When a charity is found to be unethical or fraudulent, it tears away public and stakeholder confidence and support. It’s seen as a serious breach of trust. So it should.

    Unions operate on trust, moreso than corporations. When a union official is fraudulent, he’s stealing from his mates who’ve trusted him.

    As for the Liberals, I’d only observe that companies don’t get to actually vote on preselection or policy. Companies don’t sit on their committees determining the future.

    As an participative organisation, the Liberals are more able to reflect the priorities of the people that voluntarily join it. That’s not endorsing their political orietation, it’s simply the fact of their structure.

    The structure of the ALP is stuffed, and always recall the way the union hacks tried to knife Crean when he sought to implement Hawke/Wran recommendations to make the party more responsive to the actual membership.

  41. Ol' Sancty permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:31 pm

    Blaming ALL unions and all officials is as unfair as blaming all managers and directors … we all know that the wrongdoers in the unions need their arses kicked, the same as business “leaders” who steal, cheat and lie …

    I AGREE!!!!!!

    The problem is that it appears as though more effort is being put into protecting and promoting the perpetrators, whilst destroying the whistleblowers, than is being put into nabbing the perps and recovering the money.

    Company directors do time. Union leaders get promoted into Parliament.

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:33 pm

    AO, no one is trying to stop unions doing their legitimate work in representing members, but we have seen a return to the excesses in behavior pre Workchoices.

    To a degree it is a problem in Victorian manufacturing and construction, and WA mining.

    Melbourne construction costs are far more than Sydney, and much of that is due to IR/labour. It undermines infrastructure spending.

    Unless unions get focussed on their core work in representing members, they’ll be out of business.

    They’ve got 14% of the private sector workforce, it’s the government that has to protect employee interests – because unions are no longer up to the job.

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:34 pm

    Noice to see you, KL!… NIce to see you back KL….Kitty’s in fine form.

    Was interstate for the end of terminal illness and death of my brother. Sad times.

    Re charities … its always struck me the number of “stars” of sport, screen or stage … who invariably set up a fund of some sort or other when they retire …

    Charities don’t pay tax, it’s a tax minimisation scheme, they can even attract donations and receive public funds while selling the image of a caring person. As soon as they start making real money, the [often taxpayer funded and trained] stars are advised to form a charity so they don’t have to pay as much tax or they choose to reside [for a tax qualifying period of the year] in a tax friendly country eg the bahamas.

    Two tax havens that need to be seriously addressed are “Family Trusts” (divide and conquer) … and “negative gearing” … hidey holes for the Robber Barons & Family …

    For sure. Will anyone have the political courage to do what is needed to reform these enormous tax black holes? Better to screw the single parents and the social security recipients, those lazy bludgers have it sooo easy. Let them go to the charities for assistance!

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:39 pm

    AO, no one is trying to stop unions doing their legitimate work in representing members, but we have seen a return to the excesses in behavior pre Workchoices.

    As measured by the huge amount of industrial unrest in the country? 😆

  45. November 1, 2012 12:39 pm

    Really sorry to hear about your brother KL, that must’ve been a difficult time (and probably still is)…

  46. Ol' Sancty permalink
    November 1, 2012 12:48 pm

    Gee, could the Not For Profits/Charities profiteers be concerned that they might have to actually account for the taxpayer $ that they receive and invest while building their empires? And my heavens, the IPA and others might have to declare their donors.

    Whilst in some respects I agree with you here, I doubt that the policy will have the intended outcome. What I forsee is a bunch of community and sporting clubs being forced to leap a bunch of new and complicated hurdles to simply go about their weekly business.

    The consequence of that will be honest people with busy lives will withdraw from their volunteer efforts to be replaced by those with something financial to gain. And the consequence of that is fairly predictable.

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 1:18 pm

    …we have seen a return to the excesses in behavior pre Workchoices.

    What would they be tomm?

    The consequence of that will be honest people with busy lives will withdraw from their volunteer efforts to be replaced by those with something financial to gain.

    I simply cannot see any problem in corporations that receive taxpayer funding and tax free status being required to account for it, as everyone else has to. One example I can think of immediately is the recent court case where the churches took action to recover financial losses from lehman bros.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-21/lehmann-brothers-test-case/4273896

    The class action involved 72 councils, churches and charities who sued Lehman Brothers for around $250 million, claiming it breached contracts and engaged in misleading and negligent conduct.

    Justice Steven Rares has ruled that the parties are entitled to compensation but the amount has yet to be finalised.

    They had sought compensation for losses incurred on investments they made on advice from Grange Securities, which was bought by Lehman Brothers Australia in 2007.

    As an ordinary person, I have a problem with taxes going to the investment, wealth creation and power of churches and charities, who then lobby govts for politically motivated purposes. The public has for many years wanted to see the end of this taxpayer funding.

  48. Ol' Sancty permalink
    November 1, 2012 1:24 pm

    I simply cannot see any problem in corporations that receive taxpayer funding and tax free status being required to account for it, as everyone else has to. One example I can think of immediately is the recent court case where the churches took action to recover financial losses from lehman bros.

    Fine. Then set a threshold. They won’t though. They’ll set up a massive bureaucracy which will hound small community organisations and spend a bunch on “training” but nothing will happen when it comes to the “big” frauds.

  49. Ol' Sancty permalink
    November 1, 2012 1:27 pm

    I don’t get your problem with the Lehman Brothers recovery action. Can you be more specific?

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 1:29 pm

    Look at the disruption and thuggish behavior at the Myer site, the Peter McCallum hospital construction, West Gate… Even the severe industrial ‘get square’ at the desal plant.

    Many public infrastructure projects, cost overruns, diminishes public willingness to invest in infrastructure.

    Manufacturing plant investment/upgrade/construction was similarly targeted by unions, and hasn’t that worked out well for that sector.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 2:16 pm

    I don’t get your problem with the Lehman Brothers recovery action. Can you be more specific?

    I don't have a problem with their recovery james, just the wealth creation courtesy of forced funding from the taxpayers who have no say in it. Now if it was all their own private monies and non tax deductible donations used, no problem with their wealth creation at all.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 2:21 pm

    Many public infrastructure projects, cost overruns, diminishes public willingness to invest in infrastructure.

    Don’t you mean private investment as in PPP?

    The taxpaying public would happily choose to invest in the projects and own them as public utilities. The wishes of the public are ignored to suit business profiteering off the back of taxpayer investment.

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 2:27 pm

    Terry Moran: time for an inquiry into the public service:

    http://theconversation.edu.au/terry-moran-time-for-an-inquiry-into-the-public-service-10277

    …I think there is a big problem. Ministerial advisers have become the black hole of accountability within our parliamentary democracy.

    The reason for that is that the old conventions governing their roles no longer hold true. In the past, if a public servant told a ministerial adviser something it would be deemed that they had told the minister, and the adviser would make sure the minister knew. In turn an adviser would speak with authority if they actually knew the minister’s wishes or had good reason to know what they would be…

    …Now the minister isn’t accountable for what they do, because now a minister can say, “Oh that was one of my advisers, I did not know about this”.

    Well, if ministers are using that to escape accountability, they can’t escape the proposition that it’s time the advisers were made more accountable for defined roles, and became answerable in the same way as public servants to all the investigatory and accountability bodies, including parliamentary committees.

  54. Ol' Sancty permalink
    November 1, 2012 2:40 pm

    I don’t have a problem with their recovery james, just the wealth creation courtesy of forced funding from the taxpayers who have no say in it. Now if it was all their own private monies and non tax deductible donations used, no problem with their wealth creation at all.

    Which charities? What forced funding?

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 3:29 pm

    Condolences, KL

  56. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 1, 2012 5:41 pm

    Seems like Miss Gillard might have been telling fibs in the Press Conference on the AWU that she conducted back in August.

    She said her involvement with the matter and the AWU ended in 1992.

    Her Majesty’s Opposition have now produced a document signed by Miss Gillard in relation to the AWU saga that is dated 1993.

    Miss Gillard refused to answer questions again in Parliament about the discrepancy today.

    This is either going to turn into another Godwin Grech Moment or Miss Gillard now has a major problem

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 5:50 pm

    This is either going to turn into another Godwin Grech Moment or Miss Gillard now has a major problem

    ‘Tis the truth o’ it … but I’m mightily sick of the Greches and the Thomson’s of this world!

    Winter is coming!

  58. November 1, 2012 6:17 pm

    …like a boss.

  59. November 1, 2012 6:18 pm

    Sincere condolences, KL. 😦

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 7:18 pm

    Hey, Ser Bee, ya back??

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 7:47 pm

    Thank you all for your condolences, my brother was way too young, that is the great sadness, I comfort myself with thoughts of him no longer having the pain and suffering just trying to survive which leaves no quality or dignity in life.

    This is either going to turn into another Godwin Grech Moment or Miss Gillard now has a major problem

    1992 or 1993, does it really matter at all?

    I don’t know or understand why Gillard is hung drawn quartered and mercilessly attacked over alleged behaviour when scandals by male politicians are almost glossed over.

    John Howard and his cronyism, the ethanol man, dick honan + AWB + bailing out brother stan, tampa, children overboard, all happened while he was a sitting PM. Not one bit of these scandals have stuck to him, he is still heralded by the fibs as the monument for a back to the future government.

    Abbott’s career hasn’t been hampered by his ironically named ‘australians for honest politics trust’ fund to get rid of a political threat. This interference was carried out while in government.

    Ruddock and the unlawful detention/deporting of cornelia rae and vivian solon.

    kevin andrews and haneef

    malcolm turnbull and abetz are still with us after grech and utegate.

    Heffernan has survived the kirby defamation.

    Is there a double standard in the way female politicians are treated?

    Whatever happened to

    carmen lawrence, ros kelly, jackie kelly?

    However did Bronwyn Bishop survive the kerosene baths scandal?

    I’m sorry but I can’t muster up the bilious outrage about this gillard union scandal, there seems to be one dug up almost every week when a labor govt is in power.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 7:48 pm

    I’m sorry to hear that AO. Best wishes.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 7:53 pm

    Many of those examples you cite were addressed through an independent inquiry.

    Gillard has avoided questions for years, tried to brush it away with a “girly” – young & naïve – defence.

    She’s getting some belated scrutiny now.

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 8:16 pm

    Many of those examples you cite were addressed through an independent inquiry.

    I don’t consider inquiries that have ToR prohibiting an investigation or adverse finding against a government or minister to be at all independent. They are just a sham to appease a gullible public.

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 8:34 pm

    • Howard lost government and his seat because he was seen to be untrustworthy.
    • Ros Kelly was forced to resign
    • Carmen Lawrence lost the WA Premiership
    • Kevin Andrews helped Howard out of office as a result of the Haneef affair.
    • Turnbull lost plenty of credibility over Gretch, he paid a credibility price and it continues to dog him
    • Abbott took action against Hanson and her mates, and that’s why he’s off. If it had been an attack against a union, he’s hear about it every day.

    Questions about the integrity and honesty of a Prime Minister are entirely legitimate issues of public debate.

    Gillard put the interests of her boyfriend above those of her client, in doing so she lost the confidence of her employer. Her actions cost her employer it’s biggest client and undermined its reputation

    …and that’s the best that can be said of her actions. She owes the public a complete explanation, in parliament.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 8:36 pm

    Gillard has avoided questions for years, tried to brush it away with a “girly” – young & naïve – defence.

    You really are a Dick, ToM … the AWB scandal was answered? To your “probing” mind (ALP bad – LibNits good … talk about one-eyed hypocrisy! The AWB scandal was a se-tup nonsense by the Howard government – that ABBOTT was a MINISTER of — involving paying money to people who were KILLING our soldiers! FFS!

    GREAT POST! KL – as usual!

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2012 8:41 pm

    Questions about the integrity and honesty of a Prime Minister are entirely legitimate issues of public debate.

    And I’d love to know who “hurt” you so badly that your venom is so strong against the , Prime Minister … your comment above says a lot about your vendetta … all PM’s make awful decisions … and I criticised both Rudd and Gillard … but your comments are obsessively paranoid sometimes … you really have been “hurt” …

  68. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 8:46 pm

    ‘but your comments are obsessively paranoid sometimes … ‘

    That is not true and the public overwhelmingly want an honest answer from the PM over the slush fund issue.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 9:04 pm

    No hurt here TB, I’m a very relaxed character. I’m simply of the view that duplicity is in Gillard’s DNA. She errs on the side of concealment rather than openness, on dealing and dishonesty rather than transparency.

    In reality it is probably a habit she formed as a student activist, and honed as a lawyer to union hacks.

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 9:09 pm

    I forgot belinda ?neale/o’neil, there’s not much tolerance for the females misbehaving is there? The males are [except for howard] all still with us today.

    The people insisting on keeping this thing alive have not been able to cope with a female PM, they have not evolved much beyond chest beating and dragging women off by their hair into a cave. It must enrage them to see an unmarried, childless and atheist woman in ‘their’ lodge, they somehow feel personally slighted at her representing ‘their’ australia on the world stage. It’s just not acceptable to them, this this this…abomination!

    latham:

    Smears on Gillard simply make no sense

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4329728.html

    …None of the journalists involved has a background in union financing. Their reporting has exposed their ignorance of how the system works. Their fallback position has been to rely on allegations sourced from Blewitt, a shady character who fled Indonesia in 2009 to avoid arrest after allegedly selling Australian expatriates land he did not own. He has declared his willingness to cooperate with the police, as long as he receives immunity from criminal prosecution.

    One of the peculiar aspects of the media coverage has been the portrayal of incorporated associations as objects of legal mystique. There are, in fact, 16,000 of them operating in Western Australia, most with fundraising arms and activities. There was nothing unusual in the AWUWRA being registered for a range of workplace purposes but then raising funds for workplace elections. The wrongdoing came in the misuse of those funds by Wilson and Blewitt.

    In short, the story makes no sense. It is part of the irrational right-wing obsession in this country with all things Gillard. In the tens of thousands of words written on the subject, nothing has been produced which implicates the Prime Minister in the fraud itself.

    This is not investigative journalism. It’s a political smear in which the same material is fanatically rehashed and rewritten every other day in The Australian.

    I wonder who is paying to keep this on page one of the oz and I wonder what beat-up there will be next week for yet another ride on the new-election-merry-go-round for toxic tony and his abbotteers.

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 9:15 pm

    What do abbott, turnbull, abetz, heffernan, andrews and ruddock have in common?

    They are all in the current crop of opposition politicians, despite their scandals while in office.

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 9:20 pm

    That is not true and the public overwhelmingly want an honest answer from the PM over the slush fund issue.

    The public don’t care.

    How about an honest answer from howard, abbott, turnbull, abetz, heffernan, andrews and ruddock on their past and present ‘issues’ where making shit up to incriminate another is seen as completely honourable and worthy of continuing in high office?

  73. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 9:55 pm

    ‘The public don’t care.’

    According to the readers of this Fairfax rag, you are wrong.

    http://www.theage.com.au/polls/union-slush-fund-20121031-28k4p.html

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 10:05 pm

    …and Fraser was a completely dishonest c*nt who ALP barrackers hated, then loved.

    They loved him because of his criticism of the Liberals over asylum seekers, so they’ll probably hate him again now.

    Interesting that the dishonest c*nt hasn’t had anything to say about asylum seekers lately.

    So just to balance the equation, I loathe Fraser more than any politician!

    (did I mention that he’s a dishonest c*nt?)

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 10:08 pm

    fairfax rag:

    Disclaimer: These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate.

    *Watching the redfern now show on abctv – compelling viewing.

  76. You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    November 1, 2012 10:32 pm

    “There was nothing unusual in the AWUWRA being registered for a range of workplace purposes but then raising funds for workplace elections. ”

    There is something unusual when as I understand it even the AWU didn’t know it existed.

    Don’t you think it’s unusual. How would you like it if someone set up a bank account using all your known personal details and you didn’t know about it

    It’s hot here in a Sicilian gym

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 10:49 pm

    …and Fraser was a completely dishonest c*nt who ALP barrackers hated, then loved…

    …They loved him because of his criticism of the Liberals over asylum seekers, so they’ll probably hate him again now…

    no, the criticisms are deserved, we loved him because of his criticisms of howard, abbott and current liberal party politics. We love john hewson too because he speaks out about the liberal tea party of hate and divide. Fraser and hewson are ‘true’ liberals, statesmen like turnbull and they are all critical of the hard right religious extremist takeover of the party.

    [wiki] …After 1996 Hewson became increasingly critical of Prime Minister John Howard. In 2003 he opposed Howard’s decision to take part in the Iraq War although in 2004 argued it would be electoral “suicide” for the Liberal Party to replace Howard with an alternate leader at the time.[citation needed] In July 2006, Hewson gave an interview to ABC’s Four Corners program in which he voiced concern at the growing influence of what he characterised as a “hardline right religious element” in the NSW branch of the Liberal Party.[14] This was in breach of a Liberal Party rule about speaking to the media and reports at the time claimed he could face expulsion from the party.[15]…,/i>

    oooh lookee here:

    …In 2011, he and former Liberal prime minister Malcolm Fraser were among 140 Australian community leaders who pledged support for an emissions trading scheme despite, the fact the Coalition and it’s leader Tony Abbott (Hewson’s former Press Secretary) oppose the Carbon tax.[16]…

    Could this be what bothers you the most?

    http://theconversation.edu.au/pages/malcolm-fraser

    or this

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/menzies-vision-lost-under-tony-abbott-malcolm-fraser/story-fn59niix-1226467462203

    Mr Fraser said the quality of politics was deteriorating, as more union officials and former political advisers took seats in parliament instead of “people who have achieved things in their own right before they became politicians”.

    Couldn’t agree more, both major parties have fckd us over.

    your veil really has slipped tomM!

  78. el gordo permalink
    November 1, 2012 10:59 pm

    ‘…reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate.’

    Fairfax is not ‘hate media’ and should be regarded as fairly balanced, although leaning to the left.

    So three-quarters of those who participated think joolya is not forthcoming with the truth and want her to be totally honest about the slush fund.

    And why did she conspire to knife Rudd and then deny her involvement, so it appeared as power thrust upon her which is a better look than plotting for months to bring Caesar down.

  79. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:11 pm

    You know if I was a chick and had that special gender based desire to see a chick do well in the top job, I’d be feeling very let down by my Joan of Arc.

  80. You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:19 pm

    Since Robert McClellan was also involved in the AWU in 1992 is it possible he is feeding the opposition bits and pieces in fact anything he can find to destroy her for his mate Rudd before it is far too late

    Lunch beckons with a touch of Red

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:32 pm

    There is something unusual when as I understand it even the AWU didn’t know it existed.

    And we know this…how?

    PM’s accuser denounced by former colleagues as untrustworthy, lying “sexist pig” #auspol

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/10/pms-accuser-denounced-by-former-colleagues-as-untrustworthy-lying-sexist-pig-auspol/

    BAD TO THE BONER: PM’s accuser is sleazy sex tourist, preying on vulnerable young Thai women:

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/08/bad-to-the-boner-pms-accuser-is-sleazy-sex-tourist-preying-on-vulnerable-young-thai-women/

    Then we have the likes of sexist, misogynist larry pickering, there’s michael smith who is waging a personal vendetta against gillard. There’s the journo mates of abbott in the oz, of course there’s no agenda to bring her down so sexist tony abbott can have a new election is there?

    Liberal dose of love for 2UE radio host Mike Smith:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/liberal-dose-of-love-for-2ue-radio-host-mike-smith/story-e6freuy9-1226218794080

    …Bypassing a best man, Smith, 49, left the tributes to close mates Senator Barnaby Joyce, who gave a rousing rendition of the poem Fair Dinkum Love and “twinkle-toes” shadow attorney-general, George Brandis, who will be remembered more for his moves on the dance floor than his bridal speech…

    …Brandis, who arrived with Joyce in the back of a stretch limo, was shocked when he got to John Singleton’s popular pub, according to Smith…

    Pickering accused of stalking
    http://www.4bc.com.au/blogs/4bc-blog/pickering-accused-of-stalking/20120823-24osw.html?page=1#.UJJqt8VEP78

    Pickering joins Gary Hardgrave, declaring that despite her insistent denial of wrongdoing, questions of her integrity as Prime Minister will not go away.</i.

    Who can guess where this BS is coming from?

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 1, 2012 11:35 pm

    You know if I was a chick and had that special gender based desire to see a chick do well in the top job, I’d be feeling very let down by my Joan of Arc.

    But you’re not are you, so you wouldn’t know how the ‘chicks’ feel.

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2012 12:10 am

    And why did she conspire to knife Rudd and then deny her involvement, so it appeared as power thrust upon her which is a better look than plotting for months to bring Caesar down.

    Perhaps she didn’t conspire to knife rudd until the knives were already in his back.

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/we-need-to-talk-about-kevin-20120224-1ttxx.html

    As I say, I hardly know Julia Gillard. But from my own impressions and conversations with people who know her well and who have worked for her, I believe she is a decent person. She is warm, she is smart. She listens to people, treats them with respect. She has shown guts. Under relentless pressure, she has run a happy office.
    I have no idea of the precise moment at which she decided to challenge Rudd, but I am certain that she had been as loyal a deputy as he was likely to get. Through the hard months of early 2010, she had long talks with him to keep him on track. Of all the whisperings I heard against Rudd until the time I left Canberra in April 2010, none involved her. In fact, she protected him. As one of her advisers said, they were ”joined at the hip”…

    …This was not about ambition. Sure she might have wanted to be prime minister one day, but not under these circumstances, not with the consequences that were bound to follow. But in politics you don’t get to pick your moment, it picks you. Hers came. She took it…

    might be an interesting read

    Speechless: A Year In My Father’s Business by James Button [senator john button’s son and former speech writer for kevin rudd]

    http://www.randomhouse.com.au/books/james-button/speechless-a-year-in-my-fathers-business-9780522858587.aspx

  84. November 2, 2012 12:12 am

    Hi Armchair. I`m very sorry to hear about your brother, my condolences.

  85. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2012 7:49 am

    Sorry about your brother by the way. I missed that.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2012 10:14 am

    THE incoming head of Victoria’s biggest building union wants to resume hostilities with builder Grocon amid frustration that a blockade that brought central Melbourne to a standstill had petered out.
    John Setka, the incoming state secretary of the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, is ”furious” at the way the blockade ended in September and felt the union should have pressed on as it was close to breaking Grocon, union sources told The Age

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/building-union-eager-to-smash-grocon-20121101-28mvf.html#ixzz2B127CZL0

    That’s nice. Another example of unions stuffing up Victoria’s reputation as a place to do business.

    This union has no regard for lawful behaviour, and since the abolition of the ABCC they’ve been running rampant. With more to come.

    Congratulations to the Gillard government on their IR legislation.

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 2, 2012 11:23 am

    Peter Slipper: “It’s all about naked politics.”

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    November 2, 2012 12:39 pm

    You know if I was a chick and had that special gender based desire to see a chick do well in the top job, I’d be feeling very let down by my Joan of Arc.

    Shakes head ….

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Shhhh … don’t tell ToM but the Liberals have FACTIONS and FACELESS MEN running the SHOW!!! True!

    FORMER Prime Minister John Howard is being drawn into a savage Liberal Party brawl which is threatening Tony Abbott’s federal election chances.

    The internal row has already cost the party from $300,000 to $500,000 in legal fees and has delayed the selection of eight federal election candidates.

    At issue is a grassroots bid to win the right for local branches to select candidates rather than have them imposed by party headquarters.

    Mr Howard is not directly involved but his long-standing support for the selection of candidates by plebiscite is being raised ahead of a showdown on the issue at a NSW Liberal annual general meeting next week.

    He disappointed many of the grass-roots agitators when he told news.com.au he would not take part in any campaign and would not speak in the debate at the November 10 AGM.
    “All I’m doing is repeating my views. I am not going to lobby anybody, I’m not speaking at the meeting,” he said.

    But he added, “My views are well known and I don’t mind them being well known.”
    The scrap within the NSW Liberal branch has slowed preparations for the federal election expected late next year and has infuriated MPs worried about those preparations.

    “Personally I am angry that we have allowed ourselves to get to a point where hundreds of thousands in campaign money has been wasted in litigation,” Phillip Ruddock, the longest serving federal MP in Parliament, told news.com.au.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/former-pm-john-howard-drawn-into-savage-liberal-party-brawl/story-fndo4eg9-1226508890729

    Same brush, same tar, same feathers …

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2012 1:00 pm

    That’s nice. Another example of unions stuffing up Victoria’s reputation as a place to do business.
    This union has no regard for lawful behaviour, and since the abolition of the ABCC they’ve been running rampant. With more to come.

    What has changed?

    Could the industrial unrest have something to do with the new liberal party government?

    New workplace guidelines in force for Victorian construction industry
    Tuesday, 3 July 2012

    http://vic.liberal.org.au/News/MediaReleases.aspx?id=3882&title=New%20workplace%20guidelines%20in%20force%20for%20Victorian%20construction%20industry

    Why does a liberal party govt always seek to upset workers? Even victorian nurses were protesting in the streets and defying the state government.

    Same in Qld, it’s not the workers or the unions who are acting on behalf of workers, it is the liberal party and it’s anti-worker policies that are the problem. They just can’t help themselves.

    You might have noticed that all over the world, people are sick and tired of the way business conducts its business and the way governments bow to the demands of business, the only ones getting squeezed are workers.

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 2, 2012 1:24 pm

    Thanks for your compassion trashers, it’s good to know that we can be butting heads over issues and politics, but still have a caring personal relationship.

    Now, back to the robust commentary 🙂

    Fairfax is not ‘hate media’ and should be regarded as fairly balanced, although leaning to the left.

    I’d have to say rubbish to that, there is no left leaning media or political party in australia, they run from centre right to [in the case of the oz and current liberal party] extreme right nutjobbery.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2012 3:17 pm

    It’s a year since the Qantas dispute. With the benefit of hindsight, it looks like Joyce’s decision to ground the airline was a good one.

    Sure Qantas has had a rough year, but without the decisive action the disputes would have dragged on and on… to Christmas. Maximising damage during the busiest and most profitable period.

    Qantas would have been in no position to withstand the onslaught of Virgin and their mates. The airline that employs over 30,000 people (including a thousand apprentices) would have been carved up.

    Remember too that the avaricious unions involved represent less than 25% of the Qantas workforce.
    ==========
    AO – the Grocon/CFMEU dispute was about union control of construction sites. It had nothing to do with politics or terms and conditions.

    This union considers itself above the law.
    ==========
    TB – I don’t know whether anyone has suggested that the Liberals are free of factions.

    The difference is that their factional leaders obtain their power from the people that join the party.

    The factions in the ALP are mainly controlled by unions, such as the CFMEU, who engage in the unlawful behavior I’ve mentioned above.

    Having full time union officials also organising their factional power in the ALP is poison, and more people are agreeing with this perspective these days.

  92. November 2, 2012 4:58 pm

    “With the benefit of hindsight, it looks like Joyce’s decision to ground the airline was a good one.”

    Yes, the shareholders must be particularly delighted.*

    Why, only five years ago Qantas was trading at $5, today it’s $1.30.

    Alan Joyce has taken a national icon and totally fucked it.

    I guess he’ll still get a performance bonus though, no doubt for cutting costs (ie sacking Australian workers and shifting jobs offshore), while single-handedly destroying the Qantas brand with Jetstar.

    It’s a brilliant case study in how not to run a business.

    *sarcasm alert

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 2, 2012 5:11 pm

    The difference is that their factional leaders obtain their power from the people that join the party.

    er … d’jawot …?

    Interests represented:

    Robert Menzies founded the Liberal Party to represent what he called ‘the forgotten people’: office workers, shopkeepers and small business owners who supported themselves and their families and did not look to governments for assistance. Today, the membership is drawn from a broad cross-section of the community and financial support is provided by party branches, professional and business people and business enterprises. Strongest electoral support comes from metropolitan residential suburbs and districts with high levels of income and property ownership. In more recent years the Liberal Party has successfully attracted broader support from a non-traditional constituency: wage earners in blue-collar occupations with more conservative views about society ….

    http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parties_lib.htm

    If members of the parliamentary Liberal Party are asked which faction they are aligned with, the moderates or conservatives, most will tell you with a straight face that there are no factions inside the liberal party. Some will insist ‘faction’ is the wrong terminology; tendencies, ideological clusters or personality groupings are better ways to identify how Liberal MPs choose to sub-group.

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/what-s-right-future-liberal-party-peter-van-onselen-3287

    The factions in the ALP are mainly controlled by unions, such as the CFMEU, who engage in the unlawful behavior I’ve mentioned above.

    Interests represented

    The party developed as an organisation to represent the interests of paid labour, that is, the workers. It has significant financial support and membership from trade unions. Its strongest electoral support typically comes from inner city and industrial suburbs with populations characterised by lower incomes and blue-collar occupations. Since the 1970s, the party has been attracting broader support from middle-class professional occupation groups.

    http://www.parliament.curriculum.edu.au/parties_alp.htm

    Labor-affiliated trade unions are also factionally aligned. The largest unions supporting the right are the Australian Workers Union (AWU), the National Union of Workers (NUW), the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association (SDA), and the Transport Worker’s Union (TWU). Important unions supporting the left include the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union (AMWU), the Liquor, Hospitality and Miscellaneous Union (LHMU), the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU), the Australian Services Union (ASU) and the Maritime Union of Australia (MUA). These affiliations are seldom unconditional or permanent. The AWU and the NUW, for example, are bitter rivals and the NUW sometimes aligns itself with the left. Moreover, in some cases different union branches may have different factional alignments.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party#Factions

    I’m afraid both political parties are so internally screwed up complex these days that they actually come out in the wash looking the same the SAME! Fkn power hungry …

    … to simply say that the ALP is run by unions is no different to me saying that the Liberal Party is run by Chambers of Commerce … oh, wait … (one of the reasons I wouldn’t work for them when they asked) …

    Here’s a suggestion … take away “big business” support from the LibNits and take the “union support” from the ALP …

    🙄

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    November 2, 2012 5:24 pm

    Alan Joyce has taken a national icon and totally fucked it.

    I blame the unions … *

    * the usual alert …

  95. el gordo permalink
    November 2, 2012 6:51 pm

    ‘Here’s a suggestion … take away “big business” support from the LibNits and take the “union support” from the ALP …’

    It’s the 20th century political dynamic, here and elsewhere. That maybe set to change, but I can’t see what would replace it.

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 2, 2012 9:01 pm

    It’s a tough time in aviation, Joyce can either reform Qantas and give it a chance for success or he can let the unions put it out of its misery.
    ———————–
    You must be confused TB, there is no chamber of commerce or industry that sends voting delegates to any Liberal Party forum.

    On the other hand, unions are organised within the ALP and control 50% of every vote. Because they are so strongly organised, the actual members are disenfranchised.
    The control unions exercised is increasingly being acknowledged as a severe weakness in the ALP structure. It promotes undesirable behaviour within Party officials – look at the former President Williams, and Gillard.

  97. November 2, 2012 10:34 pm

    Tom-Melb UnFoxed .. It`s a tough time in aviation, Joyce can either reform Qantas MANAGEMENT and give it a chance for success or he can let the unions continued poor management put it out of its misery.

  98. November 2, 2012 10:54 pm

    Tom-Boltsville UnFoxed – part two
    ” You must be confused TB, ” Bullshit, he`s spot-on
    .
    ” there is no chamber of commerce or industry that sends voting delegates to any Liberal Party forum. ” Bullshit again, Industry Organizations inform the Libs of their wishes and fund the Libs. The Libs take cash from big tobacco, and get whacked in QT for taking their cash.

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 3, 2012 1:58 am

    [crikey]

    However in WA, mining company donations to the WA Liberal Party went from less than $100,000 in total in the mid-2000s to over $1.2 million in 2010 and 2011, forming around one dollar in five of the party’s revenue…

    …In Queensland, the ongoing support of Clive Palmer has been the primary mining contribution to the conservative cause, including a monster donation of $500,000 to the LNP by his Queensland Nickel. ..

    …The sheer scale of mining company generosity illustrates why Tony Abbott remains committed to repealing the carbon pricing package and the mining tax despite the difficulties he will face in securing Senate support…

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 3, 2012 2:47 am

    The difference is that their factional leaders obtain their power from the people that join the party.

    Except the people power at branch level get no choice in who gets parachuted into their electorate as their representative.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2012 12:53 pm

    AO & TB – It’s the difference between strong influence and a controlling interest.

    When all business groups can do is exercise a high level of influence, it’s seedy and undesirable.

    Within the ALP, union exercise more than that. It’s reasonable to call it a controlling interest. This is stuffing up the party, and more people are finally recognising this.

    THE ALP should become more of a social democrat party, and represent all progressive interests, not simply being in the pocket of the narrowly focussed unions.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2012 12:54 pm

    Off to the races for a day of watching drunk young people.

  103. el gordo permalink
    November 3, 2012 1:56 pm

    ‘The ALP should become more of a social democrat party, and represent all progressive interests, not simply being in the pocket of the narrowly focussed unions.’

    It would be a good start and I don’t even mind if they keep the Greens in a loose coalition, after they give up CAGW alarmism and return to their environmental roots.

  104. Gums permalink
    November 3, 2012 2:58 pm

    5 years ago Qantas was being subjected to a takeover by Alco Finance which subsequently went broke during the GFC.

    That’s the reason the price was so high. They were about to pay too much for it. But in the end everything else they bought sent them broke.

    Kinda like the Channel 9 debacle

  105. November 3, 2012 4:23 pm

    FMD.

    I was just in a bookshop an hour ago, and who should I see but none other than climate change denier, cigarette cancer skeptic and architect of WorkChoices Nick Fkn Minchin…!

    I nearly died.

    I had to do a double-take to remove any doubt, and then we there could be no mistake, I felt like poking him with my finger just to make sure he was real.

    I was surprised to see him out in public without a bodyguard.

    He’s not as tall as I imagined, maybe 5′ 6″…

  106. el gordo permalink
    November 3, 2012 9:19 pm

    Brush with fame…he’s tipped to be the next president of the Liberal Party and a major influence on Australia’s political economy.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 3, 2012 9:29 pm

    Derby Day is frivolous and being an expert in women’s fashion, I’m impressed with the latest in lycra skirts and tops.

    I happened to see several horses too.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 3, 2012 10:15 pm

    I was just in a bookshop an hour ago, and who should I see but none other than climate change denier, cigarette cancer skeptic and architect of WorkChoices Nick Fkn Minchin…!

    Did a shiver go down your spine knowing the evil overlord was in such close proximity? Did the room grow as cold as his dead black heart?

    I was surprised to see him out in public without a bodyguard.

    Because of his politics or because he no longer receives the perks of office?

  109. November 3, 2012 10:38 pm

    “Did a shiver go down your spine knowing the evil overlord was in such close proximity? Did the room grow as cold as his dead black heart?”

    It was a lot like that KL!

    I felt the blood drain out of my body and I just froze…

    It was like that flight or fight thing that the psych doctors talk about…

    “Because of his politics or because he no longer receives the perks of office?”

    More like because of who he is and everything he stands for.

    Once I realised who it was, my next thought was that this is going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity to do something.

    I almost felt myself fumbling around in my pockets for a weapon.

    And then you lot would be reading about me on the late news…

    “And in news just to hand, former senior Liberal Party figurehead Nick Minchin was today assaulted in an unprovoked attack in an inner-city bookshop in South Melbourne this afternoon.”

    “According to eyewitnesses, a small statured middle-aged man bearing a passing resemblance to Dudley Moore, apparently launched himself at Mr Minchin forcing him to collapse into a promotional display of two hundred and fifty copies of Fifty Shades of Grey.”

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2012 3:50 am

    Hehe
    There wouldn’t be a jury in the land who would convict you
    “I saw nuffin’ m’lud” 🙂

  111. public toilet permalink
    November 4, 2012 8:18 am

    Bit hard on Old Nick, there reb.

    Snacty already previously schooled us that Minchin isn’t a nicotine denier…he’s just been misunderstood & misrepresented by Teh Evil Left.
    Surely you can find it in your heart to blame GetUp?

  112. November 4, 2012 9:16 am

    GetUp made me do it…

    Or that other leftist anarchy group change.org.

  113. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 11:52 am

    There is a difference between active and passive smoking.

    I love how Lefties assert a falsehood, then point the finger of ridicule at those who correct the record.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 11:55 am

    There is a difference between active and passive smoking.

    Please explain?

  115. public toilet permalink
    November 4, 2012 1:03 pm

    🙄

    Yeah, Minchin is definitely not an advocate for Big Tobacco either. Stupid leftists.

    Unfknblvbl

    Nick Minchin is a prince among men.

  116. public toilet permalink
    November 4, 2012 1:05 pm

    “Lefties assert a falsehood…”

    *guffaw

    …because Minchin would never have asserted a falsehood. He’s his own better version of a surgeon general.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 1:23 pm

    There is a difference between active and passive smoking.

    Please explain?

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2012 2:09 pm

    AO & TB – It’s the difference between strong influence and a controlling interest.

    If the outcome is the same ie the party doing your bidding, then the only difference is semantics IMO [much the same as any difference between active, 2nd and 3rd hand smoking – all being toxic and harmful].

  119. el gordo permalink
    November 4, 2012 2:14 pm

    ‘Nick Minchin is a prince among men.’

    Minchin is The Prince of Realpolitik.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 2:37 pm

    There is a difference between active and passive smoking.

    Explanation, please?

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2012 2:46 pm

    How do you indulge in this kind of behaviour and then go on to uphold and value conservatism, respect for life and tradition?

    Culture of anarchy at a college in crisis:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/culture-of-anarchy-at-a-college-in-crisis-20121103-28qvh.html#ixzz2BDpZw8dd

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/culture-of-anarchy-at-a-college-in-crisis-20121103-28qvh.html

  122. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 2:58 pm

    If Minchin was as bad as you say, you’d have sufficient material without having to invent shit. Wouldn’t you?

  123. public toilet permalink
    November 4, 2012 3:01 pm

    I ‘invented’ passive smoking?

    Mum & Dad will be so proud when I tell them!

  124. November 4, 2012 3:20 pm

    So passive smoking doesn’t lead to lung cancer…?

    I knew we could rely on Snacty to champion the Libtards’ cause….

    Its just a pity he always does it like an overly-enthusiastic little lap dog. Particularly when “the facts’ get in the way…

    “Senator Minchin wishes to record his dissent from the committee’s statements that it believes cigarettes are addictive and that passive smoking causes a number of adverse health effects for non-smokers,” the committee’s minority report says.

    “Senator Minchin believes these claims (the harmful effects of passive smoking) are not yet conclusively proved. . . there is insufficient evidence to link passive smoking with a range of adverse health effects.”

    “Senator Minchin’s stance flew in the face of voluminous reports by the US Surgeon-General, the US Environmental Protection Agency and the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, documenting nicotine’s addictive hook and the serious health risks for people exposed to secondary cigarette smoke.”

    “Even the US and British tobacco companies acknowledged the health hazards from passive smoking in internal corporate research documents from the 1970s, obtained by the US congress and placed on the public record in 1995.”

    “Simon Chapman, professor of public health at Sydney University, who appeared before the Senate committee, yesterday recalled other witnesses reeling with disbelief at Senator Minchin’s “troglodyte” views.”

    “It was like going into a timewarp, because the case against the tobacco industry was so well-established by then,” Professor Chapman said. “Minchin represented the far end of antipathy towards any intervention in the tobacco industry.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/nick-minchin-was-a-sceptic-on-tobacco/story-e6frgczf-1225805535960

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 4:21 pm

    AO – “If the outcome is the same ie the party doing your bidding, then the only difference is semantics IMO”

    I don’t agree. In the ALP there is a sense of powerlessness among the rank & file membership and branches. The power is all concentrated in those who are making a career out of politics and power. Few come through the branch structure.

    Unions are so strongly organized, they exclude the branch membership.

    More and more people are acknowledging these facts about the ALP that I’ve pointed out for several years now.

  126. November 4, 2012 4:29 pm

    After the Snacty-Minchin Concordat, I now feel safe telling my other ‘alf that since smoking isn’t addictive I’ll just be taking her cigz off of her cold turkey.
    If she’s a little bent out of shape by that, I’ll reassure her that should she feel the ‘urge’ to keep smoking her unaddictive cigz at least she can now, in good conscience, spark up in the car with our daughter on board & the windows shut. After all, passive smoking isn’t harmful.

    Jolly good show!

  127. November 4, 2012 4:47 pm

    Also, it doesn’t make your clothes stink either, especially in a car with all the windows up.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 4:50 pm

    🙄 @ James & ToM (Tom & Jerry? 😛 )

  129. November 4, 2012 4:57 pm

    LOL!! 🙂

    More like “Itchy and Scratchy..”

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:07 pm

    I’ll reassure her that should she feel the ‘urge’ to keep smoking her unaddictive cigz at least she can now, in good conscience, spark up in the car with our daughter on board & the windows shut. After all, passive smoking isn’t harmful.

    Dunno why they would make that illegal – does minchin know?

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:23 pm

    I don’t agree. In the ALP there is a sense of powerlessness among the rank & file membership and branches. The power is all concentrated in those who are making a career out of politics and power.

    And you don’t think the same sense of powerlessness is reflected in the rank & file membership of the liberal party?

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4339558.html

    [Peter Reith] …The practice of letting the federal leader choose a candidate predates Abbott but is a relatively new practice…

    …A basic democratic tenet of the Liberal Party is that the members should decide who they want as their local representative. This principle is vital to the future of the Liberal Party. If the party continues to let leaders trample on the rights of the party, then very soon the party will be overrun by unaccountable, faceless warlords – just like the Labor Party. And in turn, this would further alienate the party from the rank and file who are the guardians of Liberal values that have made the Liberal Party the most successful political party in Australia since its inception…

    …The faction system will not be easy to change but a good start would be, firstly, to stop parliamentary leaders from denying the rights of the membership and, secondly, to reform pre-selections by making it more difficult for factional warlords to choose candidates and to give more power to rank and file members…

    Sounds extremely similar to the arguments made against the labor party to me.

  132. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:30 pm

    I never said passive smoking doesn’t lead to lung cancer. I say that Minchin didn’t say smoking didn’t lead to lung cancer. It was passive smoking. Perhaps someone can explain why that leads to such ridicule?

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:34 pm

    There is a difference between active and passive smoking.

    Explanation, please?

    I say that Minchin didn’t say smoking didn’t lead to lung cancer.</i.

    Please explain?

  134. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:39 pm

    Geez you guys are good when you run in packs. Juvenile, TB. And very Albanese. Might have got an embarrassed laugh the first time.

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:44 pm

    James, you can’t explain your statements … the first is just wrong … and the second is a double negative that says the opposite to what Minchin has said … see sreb’s post at 3:20 today …

    As for “run in packs” … I think we might be deliberately giving you a taste of what you and the “rightwhinge pack” have done in the past to those of us who don’t froth at the mouth at everything the LibNits burble …

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 5:44 pm

    And yes, we are good … 😉

    Karma …

  137. November 4, 2012 5:48 pm

    Snacty, did you even bother to read what I posted at 3.20….?

  138. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 7:25 pm

    Yeah I did, when forced you retreated to “passive smoking” like always. Yet next time you’ll repeat, again, the lie. And it’s a lie. My point now is the pack attack, admitted to by TB, on being called on the lie.

    And don’t bullshit, TB. The same pack attack occurs many times and has done for years when someone exposes lefty bullshit.

  139. November 4, 2012 7:31 pm

    Ok so let’s apply Snacty’s logic then:

    “PASSIVE SMOKING DOES NOT CAUSE LUNG CANCER”

    any takers anyone….?

    Apparently “the experts” are not convinced…

    “Even the US and British tobacco companies acknowledged the health hazards from passive smoking in internal corporate research documents from the 1970s, obtained by the US congress and placed on the public record in 1995.”*

    *Sorry for repeating what has already been posted previously. It appears that some are “comprehension challenged”…

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 7:47 pm

    My point now is the pack attack, admitted to by TB, on being called on the lie.

    You really have to be joking, James …. WTF are you rambling about now … how can “I think we might be deliberately giving you a taste” become fact … FMD … and what fkn lie am I guilty of? … your posts make less sense every day …

    … you were called out … on your original statement …

    There is a difference between active and passive smoking. JAMES!

    And I’m still waiting for you to explain it or simply admit … you were wrong …

    D’ya really think, sreb, and I get on the phone or something and say “let’s get, Jerry?” Big “pack”, hey?

  141. James of North Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2012 7:51 pm

    TB, if I have to explain to you the difference between active and passive smoking you are dumber than I thought. And that’s pretty fin dumb.

  142. November 4, 2012 7:53 pm

    How come you don’t call anymore TB….? Was it something I said…..??

  143. November 4, 2012 8:04 pm

    * stacks on, snacty! 😯

  144. November 4, 2012 8:07 pm

    Hairsplitting & obfuscation…the last refuge of the enthusiastic devotee.

  145. November 4, 2012 8:08 pm

    So let me get this right….

    If there are two passengers sitting in the back seat of a car…

    One of them is a non-smoker …..

    And the other is a smoker who doesn’t happen to be smoking….

    And the driver is a smoker….

    Does that make the non-smoking smoking back seat passenger any more of an active non-smoking passive smoker than the the non-smoking non-smoking passive back seat passenger..?

    Bear with me, I’m just trying to understand “SnactyLogic”…

  146. November 4, 2012 8:12 pm

    You obviously didn’t get the Snacty-Minchin Concordat Proclamation…

  147. November 4, 2012 8:15 pm

    Clearly I did not….

    I wonder what that says about me………? 😯

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 8:24 pm

    How come you don’t call anymore TB….? Was it something I said…..??

    LOL! I don’t like to be seen running with the pack …. 😆

    TB, if I have to explain to you the difference between active and passive smoking you are dumber than I thought. And that’s pretty fin dumb.

    Standard reply … I guess you must think everyone here is “pretty fkn dumb” then … oh wait!

    Gawd strewth …. “Unfknblvble …”

    For your edification … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking … but you already knew that didn’t you …

    And what “lie” were you talking about? 🙄

  149. November 4, 2012 8:52 pm

    “And what “lie” were you talking about?”

    The sad thing in all of this, is that I like to invariably give people the benefit of the doubt…

    You know, like when ordinary intelligent people realised that John Howard was full of shit when he insisted that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD simply because his favourite suppository receptacle George Bush had told him so.

    I readily admit that I’ve changed my mind on a whole host of issues…

    On the other hand we have people like Snacty and ToSY (dog pless his sole) who just stick unwaveringly to whatever the right wing nutjob prpoganda PR dept tells them.

    Honestly…

    IT IS PATHETIC!

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2012 8:59 pm

    Personally I am astounded that you could say that active and passive smoking are different … I suppose one person “actively” holds the bloody thing … but they both breathe it in … and I didn’t know that was LibNit Policy … “unfknblvble” …

  151. November 4, 2012 9:13 pm

    Well TB, ican only assume that an “active smoker” is one who rushes up to folks saying “can I have a drag on whatever you’re smoking…?” whereas a passive smoker just cops it in the breeze….

    Know what I mean….?

  152. November 4, 2012 9:22 pm

    An active participant is one who defends Minchin…the rest are part of generational attrition & they are generally pissed off, uneducated white sacks of shit. The educated ones think that ‘uni’ is some kind of leftist elitist construct.

  153. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 7:14 am

    Smokers are pariahs, thanx to the Greens. Will they be taking on the alcohol lobby next?

    I have no objection to clean skins.

    A stauch Labor mate has quit voting for the Party saying his favourite pipe tobacco is no longer available here because of plain packaging rules. The Dutch company which exports to Oz says we are too small a market and you can go and get fucked.

    I suggested he buy on line, which he will, but Labor has lost his vote forever.

  154. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 7:37 am

    Very small business is doing it tough, because the people have closed their wallets.

    ‘Even more dismaying is the genuine disconnect between the antics inside the Parliament, the personal politics from the government, the feuds and distractions from the pressing issues that face the country.

    ‘First among these is the growing cost burden on small business, especially energy costs, which are largely driven by government impositions.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/no-end-in-sight-in-race-to-trample-leaders-20121104-28rzy.html#ixzz2BHtyIBJW

    Did I mention that our power bills were three times higher than the year before? And there is no way to pass it on to the consumer because they have already deserted us.

    We are refusing to haggle and run the risk of going belly up.

  155. Simple Snacky of North Boltsville permalink
    November 5, 2012 4:40 pm

    Union leaders get promoted into Parliament.

  156. Simple Snacky of North Boltsville permalink
    November 5, 2012 4:52 pm

    I used to be a gay Irish Setter.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2012 5:31 pm

    The question is should I feed the troll … aw fk it!

    I used to be a gay Irish Setter. Sounds like you still are, sweetie … 🙄

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 5, 2012 6:35 pm

    SSNB seems quite nice

  159. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 6:42 pm

    Yes, that’s all very well, but we still have no finance editor.

    China’s bloodless coup.

    ‘The hardliners seem poised to snatch control of the seven-man Committee, tying the hands of incoming president Xi Xinping and premier Li Keqiang. If confirmed, long-term investors may have to rethink their core assumption about the future course of China.’

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
    UL Telegraph

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2012 6:51 pm

    SSNB seems quite nice

    We-e-e-ll, There’s a slim chance that I’m wrong but I reckon its a sock puppet, playing troll, from Nth Melb … just sayin’ … sad really … 😦

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What’s with all this login $#!t again?

  161. November 5, 2012 6:56 pm

    Cheer up, Newman`s in charge.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2012 7:06 pm

    Or maybe a coupla sock puppets … but they eventually give ’emselves away …. or just go away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    China’s bloodless coup.

    Yer certainly a glass half full, egg … y’ull enjoi this article …

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/11/02/uk-russia-putin-idUKBRE8A01H820121102

    Them fkn Commies … ya just can’t trust ’em to be like good capitalists … send in Goldman Sachs I reckon …. bleed ’em to death … worked in Greece and Spain and Italy and Ireland and France … or just go to war that worked in Iraq and Afghanistan … what a bunch of no-hopers them Commies really are …

    … people in glass houses etc …

  163. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 7:27 pm

    A third of city dwellers in Russia want to emigrate and who can blame them. The totalitarian thing is bad…

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2012 7:30 pm

    LOL!

  165. November 6, 2012 12:47 am

    why did she conspire to knife Rudd and then deny

  166. November 6, 2012 1:01 am

    Russia want to emigrate, stop the boats

  167. el gordo permalink
    November 6, 2012 7:12 am

    ‘why did she conspire to knife Rudd and then deny’

    Not out of modesty, to be honest she was proud, but the electorate wasn’t too happy on hearing the news so she decided to keep it ‘in house’.

    She lied and was found out.

  168. November 6, 2012 3:00 pm

    dolphins engage in gang bangs

  169. el gordo permalink
    November 6, 2012 3:28 pm

    Is this a low level blog war?

  170. el gordo permalink
    November 6, 2012 3:32 pm

    No…..it feels like I’m getting the ToSY treatment.

    Just sayin…

  171. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 6, 2012 4:46 pm

    The usual Climate Predicters on the payroll of the Greeen Environmental Lobby have dismissed this very practical idea completely out of hand.

    This is a very very good idea from Joe Public and should not be dismissed out of hand.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/technology/us-weather-agency-noaa-responds-to-demands-to-nuke-hurricanes/story-fn7bsi21-1226511235368

  172. November 6, 2012 4:49 pm

    “it feels like I’m getting the ToSY treatment.”

    Oh FFS. 🙄

    What exactly, pray tell is the so-called “ToSY Treatment…?”

    I’m already regretting asking…

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2012 5:10 pm

    Heheheheheh …… I’m already regretting asking … it won’t make sense anyway! LOL!

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2012 6:28 pm

    EG, sock puppets can be entertaining. I had one that would reply to every comment with a different blog name.

    Take it as a vote of confidence – if you’re bothering the mindless, you’re making some headway.

  175. el gordo permalink
    November 6, 2012 7:30 pm

    Thanx ToM, it was becoming unsettling.

    ‘What exactly, pray tell is the so-called “ToSY Treatment…?’

    Baiting…although I hasten to add it has nothing to do with the blogmasta on this occasion…methinks its Migs.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2012 7:36 pm

    Baiting! FMD! If you think ToSY was … baited … I’d like you to show me where …

    And speaking of Cafe Whispers … I was recently asked why I don’t post at CW anymore … in a word … scaper … and apart from personal history … he is “dangerous” to anyone who posts at CW … just be warned … nasty is nasty and never changes … evil exists where good people do nowt!

  177. November 6, 2012 7:45 pm

    ToSY was “baited…..???”

    What even is that……..?

    Could it be, that he was just called to explain himself…..?

    In much the same way that Tony Abbott is called to “explain himself” but the Libtards interpret that as a “malicious character assassination….?”

    Honestly I’m getting really tired of playing around in the shallow end of the swimming pool…..

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2012 7:56 pm

    Wise choice TB, it’s not exactly like watching the battle of the titans.

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2012 8:29 pm

    Could it be, that he was just called to explain himself…..?

    That seems to be a pattern around here … dummy spits are becoming a regular occurrence … usually from the right … but not exclusively …

    James was called out for a silly statement and instead of saying “yeah that was a bit silly” he chose to defend it! Then when challenged did a Farnham — somethinghe vowed he wouldn’t do … but then his hero is you know who —- AA …

  180. el gordo permalink
    November 6, 2012 9:02 pm

    Scaper is a nasty piece of work, but we have nothing in common and never speak.

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 6, 2012 9:02 pm

    …and El Gordo has a serious blog stalker.

    I’ve found it funny when one followed me around for a while. It’s funny that anyone can actually be bothered going to all the trouble.

    Though I doubt whether taxpayers have the time.

  182. el gordo permalink
    November 6, 2012 9:23 pm

    ‘Though I doubt whether taxpayers have the time.’

    Exactly what I was thinking, most probably a retired male public servant who has just returned from the States.

  183. The Mentalist permalink
    November 6, 2012 10:22 pm

    I suppose they put “Cats in a Cradle” on a Muzak loop at LA customs.

  184. Ya Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    November 6, 2012 11:24 pm

    So why did Missy Gillard say it was ok for Treasury to release Coalition policy costings but an FOI application to have Missy Milnes policy costings released was refused ?

    Aren’t they in coalition with the ALP therefore their policies are even more relevant in a hung parliament.

  185. Ya Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    November 6, 2012 11:31 pm

    “Honestly I’m getting really tired of playing around in the shallow end of the swimming pool…..”

    I can only offer a bigger boat so i suggest

    Get a fucking canoe .

  186. November 7, 2012 7:44 am

    “but then his hero is you know who —- AA ”

    Ad Astra…?? 😯

  187. el gordo permalink
    November 7, 2012 8:25 am

    There is rumour down at the kaf that the Bolt Report has fallen under a Bondi Tram.

  188. November 7, 2012 8:35 am

    Speaking of the Bolt Report, guess who I saw at Southbank yesterday? Andrew fkn Bolt..

    That makes two right wing nutjobs in as many weeks…

    If I run into Scott Morrison or Tony Abbott next week that’ll make the trifecta.

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2012 10:10 am

    “but then his hero is you know who —- AA ”

    Anthony Abbott … 😉

    If I run into Scott Morrison or Tony Abbott next week that’ll make the trifecta. </i.

    Take a sling shot with ya!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Get a fucking canoe .

    Get one with a paddle, but … in case you go up that creek again … I think our James is still stuck up there … 😉

  190. Who Could It Be Now ? permalink
    November 7, 2012 10:17 am

    I would like to take the opportunity to confirm that suspicions on a certain Leftie blog that a poster called Treeman is in fact JAWS/Walrus operating under a new guise are completely false.

    Treeman appears to be considerably older than the JAWS/Walrus that I know and appears to be a wearer of unfashionable baseball style caps which JAWS/Walrus would not be caught dead in.

    Just sayin’

  191. Who Could It Be Now ? permalink
    November 7, 2012 10:37 am

    “… he is “dangerous” to anyone who posts at CW … just be warned … nasty is nasty and never changes … evil exists where good people do nowt!”

    Well he did go to school with Rodney Adler, Jodie Rich, Warwick (I lost the family fortune) Fairfax.

  192. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 7, 2012 8:09 pm

    SSNB seems quite nice, so is his mates, reb should get them all out of TDT spam trap

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