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It’s All Over for The Tony Abbott I know

November 13, 2012

Despite a concerted effort by the Coalition PR machine to paint the Federal Opposition as a fun-loving, free-wheeling equal opportunity kinda guy Tony Abbott’s fortunes have headed further south with a new poll confirming his approval rating among voters has sunk to its lowest level ever.

A SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY

The shock results follow a campaign to improve Mr Abbott’s standing after polls suggested he was deeply unpopular amongst female voters. In an all out effort to improve his appeal amongst women voters, the Coalition deployed the steely-eyed Deputy Leader Julie Bishop, who according to rumour is a woman to front the media proudly declaring that the “Tony Abbott I know” once had a female acquaintance.

Manager for Opposition Business, part man but mostly part woman, Christopher Pyne also joined the happy throng declaring that the Labor Party had engaged in a “vile and disgusting smear campaign” to tarnish Mr Abbott’s “credentials” amongst women voters.

Even Abbott’s wife Margie was wheeled out in front of the media as supporting evidence that he is capable of holding down a relationship with someone from the opposite sex.  She then went home to finish the ironing.

NEWS FLASH: WIFE LOVES HUSBAND

Perhaps the most embarrassing exercise in “The Tony Abbott I know” campaign was the cringe worthy appearance on Coalition lackey Karl Stefanovic’s Today Show on Channel Nine where wife Margie gushed lyrical about what a top bloke Mr Abbott is while he sheepishly looked on from the sidelines no doubt wondering “how’s this all going down with the voters?”

Well the answer appears to be reflected in the latest poll which illustrates that people hate him even more than before, despite the extensive PR campaign.

With Labor and Gillard slowly and steadily gaining ground on the Coalition there must be some serious navel gazing going on amongst Coalition MPs and some serious doubts emerging as to whether Abbott can win the next election.

Speculation exists that Joe Hockey is ready to take on the leadership if Abbott is considered untenable.   Obviously he’s forgotten the unmitigated humiliation he suffered at the last leadership spill that saw Tony Abbott elected as leader in favour of Malcolm Turnbull by one vote.

With Turnbull now more popular as preferred leader by both Labor and Coalition voters, it’s only a matter of time before Abbott is ousted and Turnbull installed.

 

 

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  1. November 13, 2012 1:20 pm

    Ahhh Daily Trash. I wish I could be encouraged by your faith that Turnbull (or is that Turncoat) or Hockey (or is that Mr Eleventy) will soon replace Tony Abbot (aka Phoney Tony). I suspect it’s not going to happen and in not happening will provide the Labor party with its bestest chance of winning the next election, given that Phoney continues to smell like a foetid pie to the voters and advances in decay day by day.
    The loss of Phoney as leader of the NO Coalition will give the NC the bestest chance of winning the next election and for a lefty, latte sipping, chattering class person (as we are ascribed by the local ultra con fruit loops) like me, would be a complete disaster.
    So Phoney Tony for NO Coalition leader should be our mantra — that’s L,LS,CC people that is.
    PS: Can anyone confirm the rumour that a new dinosaur species called thuggasaurus mysogini has been discovered and that it’s popularly being called Tony?

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2012 4:05 pm

    I quite like Turnbull.

    I also prefer the overly wordy Rudd to the falsely worded Gillard. She’s “a piece of work”, and maybe 125% of a piece.

    I think Rudd is only about 33% of “a piece of work”, an incomplete “piece of work”,

    I haven’t quite decided about Turnbull, probably the same as Rudd, and maybe as low as 29% of “a piece of work”

    (I do hope use of the phrase “piece of work” doesn’t lead to claims that this site has plunged to new depths of personal insults)

  3. November 13, 2012 7:25 pm

    I find “a piece of work” far less offensive than “making an honest woman of her” which I find particularly misogynistic and deliberately insulting.

    Of course remarks are hardly complimentary and unnecessary personal insults.

    Interesting that they both emanate from the bloke who called for a “kinder and gentler” political discourse.

    He’s just a Fuckwit (unlimited).

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2012 7:34 pm

    He’s just a Fuckwit (unlimited).

    UNLIMITED! UNLIMITED! Fuckwit™

    Do you think I go to all the trouble of registering the word Fuckwit™ under the Berne Convention just so you can n play fkn Blogmasta with my words … expect a communication from my lawyers in Penang! Yes, nowhere is a haven when it come to intellectual property … Jummy! We even have your genomes covered!

    Ring me and I’ll give you my bank details (in fact they are the same as last time you paid up …)

    FMD! We do live in a capitalist society but no-one wants to play the game! 🙄

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2012 7:39 pm

    Abbott is “a piece of work” no doubt. Maybe even a double one, and that’s quite a large “piece of work”

  6. November 13, 2012 8:56 pm

    I honestly do not think the so called ALP campaign against Tony Abbott, the man, is to blame for his drop in the polls. I think that people are simply getting over the constant negativity and aggressiveness. The Carbon Tax didn’t end the world and people look to hope, not fear. In a crowd yu tend to gravitate to the happy people not the bitter cranky people. I am over his media stunts and the way he rus away as soon as the questions become a bit hard, his neck veins swell and he takes off, not a good look for someone aspiring to be our PM. I will vote for the coalition next election if Malcolm Turnbull is leader but never ever while Tony is leader.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2012 9:39 pm

    I will vote for the coalition next election if Malcolm Turnbull is leader but never ever while Tony is leader.

    G’day Shane,

    I too like Turnbull – he has the “look” and “demeanour” of a leader – and seems to have learnt the lessons of loose polotics with the Godwin Grech Affair … I like his reasonableness too … stifled a bit with the current front bench … and that’s where I draw pause …

    … even with Turnbull at the helm, have a good look at the front bench … and “possibilites” – sparse indeed …

    … the lot in government has let us True Believers down abysmally … and I dread that they get another three years and take the … “mandate from the people” bullshit up …

    … but the other lot (LibNits) I dread even more, watching the return of the Joh Bjelke cronyism and selfishness of the 1970’s return 40 years later … frightening stuff …

  8. el gordo permalink
    November 13, 2012 9:57 pm

    Talcum Labor Lite

    Remember the light bulb fiasco and Godwin debacle, Malcolm is not welcome.

  9. Tu vas avoir besoin d'un plus gros bateau permalink
    November 13, 2012 10:12 pm

    As the saying goes in Canberra those who feel they must maintain their dislike/ hate of Tony Abbott unknowingly rely heavily on avoiding meeting him.

  10. November 14, 2012 6:19 am

    And just how many people in canberra hva said that saying about Tomy Abbott. I have never heard it before and if I go down the strees will the people know this so called saying ? I have no desire to meet tha man if his public displays and Question Time antics (both now and while in government)are an indication of his personality.

  11. November 14, 2012 6:38 am

    Hi TB

    I agree Malcolm in my opinion displays leadership on a level neither of the current leaders can claim. Yes he has had a couple of hiccups and the rusted on extremists of the LNP regurgitate those 2 mistakes while seeking to sweep under the carpet the gaffes a plenty of Tony Abbott to keep their extreme leader at the helm. Much to the joy of religious nutters but I believe the actual detriment of the LNP much the same as the Republican Party in the USA.

    You only need to see the electoral results of the supposedly unstoppable and peoples voice Tea Party sector of the Republican Party. So much for the slient majority agreeing with the extremists of the Tea Party sector. It appears the true silent majority were actually revolted by the nasty, aggressive and hysterical ramblings of extremists.

    While aggressive, loud and obnoxious people win the media wars such as Alan Jones. When the silent majority actually enter a voting booth, the truth of their convictions shows through.

    If they think the swinging voter is leaving Tony Abbott because of the so called mysoginy garbage then they are as blind as they were when workchoices destroyed the “Levy For Everything” government in 2007.

  12. November 14, 2012 6:40 am

    el gordo

    Every day your comments reflect that you are definately not a swinging voter in any respect whatsoever.

  13. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 8:55 am

    Voted labor all my life shane, but fell out with the party over a single issue and this stinking cesspit of corruption and ignorance has probably lost me forever.

  14. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 14, 2012 9:58 am

    “I have no desire to meet tha man if his public displays and Question Time antics (both now and while in government)are an indication of his personality.”

    I think that was exactly the point of the “French” poster.

    Some of you are just so desperate to keep up the Hatred it actually becomes quite amusing to observe.

    Oh and by the way its quite a common saying. Just because you have not heard it before doesn’t mean its not.

  15. November 14, 2012 9:59 am

    el gordo is the scaper variety of so called “swinging voter”…

  16. November 14, 2012 10:02 am

    You mean Tony Abbott’s reputation is all just a “media beat up….?”

    Is that all the right wing nutjobs have got left, “blame the media?”

    LOL 🙂

  17. November 14, 2012 10:03 am

    I have as much desire to meet Tony Abbott as I have Eric Abetz or Scott Morrison.

    Three of the nastiest, vile politicians this country has ever endured.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:54 am

    More startling revelations about Gillard’s involvement in the fraudulent union slush fund!

    ® Did she obtain a financial benefit?
    ® What was the $5000 paid to her for?
    ® Has she misled parliament with her excuse that there was already a police investigation?

    That’s the problem with lying, there are always inconvenient details that don’t fit.

    A dishonest bogan Prime Minister, it’s a national humiliation.

  19. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 11:34 am

    ‘scaper variety of so called “swinging voter”…

    You’ve got a fkn nerve linking me to that nasty piece of work. WD40 isn’t expensive…get a life.

  20. November 14, 2012 11:46 am

    LOL…..

    I do apologise egg (sincerely) I didn’t mean to offend…

    I didn’t realise you two had history…

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 11:54 am

    I love the way he gives everyone the inside story…‘Gina told me…’ or
    ‘I have it on good authority that Fairfax is not going so well…’

    ‘Scoop’

  22. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 11:58 am

    Apology accepted.

    Over at the cafe I avoided scaper, his bitterness sours the party. Haven’t seen him lately, so I’m assuming he’s been shown the door. Treeman has also gone missing, so my worst fears are being realised.

    The gloves are coming off, this is a blog war.

  23. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:15 pm

    If I recall correctly the much loved Malcolm Turnbull had an even worse polling figure or at least equal to that of Abbott however the polling of the LNP was in the toilet as well.

    So beats me how people can still see him as some sort of LNP saviour.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:20 pm

    That’s the problem with lying, there are always inconvenient details that don’t fit.

    Wondered how long it would take you … 😆

    Almost posted this info this morning but got tied up … I see the news.com.au story is now MIA …

    You do know why there is a problem with “inconvenient details” of course? ‘Cause there aren’t any … WD40 4U, methinks, 2 …

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:21 pm

    It’s apparently 40 years since Gough Whitlam delivered his ‘It’s Time’ speech, in Blacktown.

    Of course I was a mere child at the time, but it was a period of high excitement and expectation. Pitting Whitlam against the witless McMahon was hardly fair. Recalling McMahon suggests that it’s not the Liberals who have suffered the talent decline.

    The stark comparison is to compare Gillard to Whitlam, or to Hawke or Keating, or even Rudd.

    Then compare the ministers – then and now.

    40 years ago the ALP was a broadly based progressive party, it stood up for the issues that concerned people- Vietnam War, access to university, medibank. Few of the ministers were union hacks, they were reformers.

    Whitlam set up his victory through vision and a desire to reform the moribund party.

    The contemporary ALP is bereft of any vision and any desire to reform itself. It deserves to be turfed out.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:24 pm

    So beats me how people can still see him as some sort of LNP saviour.

    So they do need saving then?

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:27 pm

    The contemporary ALP is bereft of any vision and any desire to reform itself. It deserves to be turfed out.

    And then what … the Federal Noddy Abbott … FMD round and round in ever decreasing circles we go …

  28. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:38 pm

    “So they do need saving then?”

    Apparently

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:46 pm

    In interviews with The Australian, Mr Hem described how Mr Wilson had visited the new casino in Melbourne and looked severely dishevelled at work the next day when he asked Mr Hem to deposit the cash.

    “He came into my office and then said to me, ‘Come down to my office in a minute’,” said Mr Hem, who left the AWU in 1997.

    “I went down and he handed me about five grand. He said, ‘There’s five grand there’, and I looked at it and said ‘Is this for me?’ He said ‘No, I want you to put it into a bank account.’ I said ‘OK’ then he said ‘Hang on, I’ll give you the bank -account name and number.’

    “I am still holding this wad of cash in my hand. By this stage Bill (Telikostoglou, aka ‘Bill the Greek’) had walked into the room and he said some strange Greek thing about how I must have had better luck than he did (at the casino) last night.

    “Then Bruce handed me a piece of paper with the account number and a name on it, and it was Julia’s name. He said, ‘Go put this in Julia’s account.’ I said OK.”

    Mr Hem said he had known Ms Gillard was in a relationship with Mr Wilson at that time and that she was a solicitor for Slater & Gordon.

    Interpretation: A bloke goes to the casino with his mates, one night. He has a big win and decides to surprise his girlfriend with $5000 in her account … OR … OR …

    … details, details, details, innuendo, muck raking, polls down, innocent until proven guilty, accusations are —- accusations …

  30. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 1:54 pm

    ‘Of course I was a mere child at the time’

    I was a little older and had the good fortune to shake hands with Jim Spigelman at the Randwick rally.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 2:01 pm

    There is no doubt (to me) that we need a broadly based progressive party. The ALP is nowhere near that criteria, it’s a corrupt, stinking dung heap.

    Successive ALP commissioned reports have highlighted the need for internal reform.

    So if the excuse is that -‘it’s not the right time just now’ – they’ll never reform.

    Turf them out and let them do some hard reform 12 weeks after losing office. They’d bounce back strongly.

    Or get rid of Gillard and reinstall Rudd, which would be a harsh signal to the hacks. Rudd would win an election, and would have the opportunity to lead reform early in his new term.

  32. November 14, 2012 2:03 pm

    Sorry el gordo I fail to believe you regarding your vote.

    2DT ShockJock (whoever you are as people now seem to enjoy being a multitude of names, which in my opinion shows their insecurities). I do not hate Tony Abbott I hate the way he acts and his personality, I would avoid anyone of any race of any political persuasion who acts the way he does, not just Tony Abbott. Your own political blindness does not allow you to see that fact.

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 2:12 pm

    Yeah, right TB.

    So in today’s $$, a crook, who is so flushed with his fraudulently obtained cash, is able to spend big time in a casino.

    He says – ‘I think I’ll give the girlfriend some of the proceeds- $10,000’ (approx in today’s terms).

    Right, no need to even think about whether Gillard might have thought this was payment for some of the help she had provided.

    I mean, who doesn’t have $10,000 turn up unexpectedly in their bank account in most weeks?

  34. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 2:45 pm

    ‘I fail to believe you regarding your vote.’

    I’ll stick with my comment at the cafe…

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 3:04 pm

    The most virulent critics of a political party are their former supporters- eg- me.

    The disaffected former supporters are the most severe and effective critics. It’s probably a little like a broken marriage.

  36. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 3:17 pm

    I agree ToM, but in good conscience how could we do otherwise than turn our backs on this ignorant and corrupt party.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 3:49 pm

    The disaffected former supporters are the most severe and effective critics. It’s probably a little like a broken marriage.

    AND

    I agree ToM, but in good conscience how could we do otherwise than turn our backs on this ignorant and corrupt party.

    That would be fine if you criticised BOTH parties but ya don’t …

    A few of us here are left leaning and we too are dismayed but we have a go at both lots …

    It’s your one sided arguments that lead to our disbelief …

    I’d reckon people here would know that, sreb and I, have long been left leaning but we (sorry, mate, speaking on your behalf – correct if wrong) really get pissed of with the present government AND Rudd’s and say so BUT we don’t let the boofheads on the Opposition benches have free rein … and we recognise if the government does something right … and the Opposition …

    BTW, ToM, Hawke was the President of the ACTU … probably as high as you could go in the UNION Boo! ranks … and Keating had a “real” working class background and involvement in unions if i recall … but then, you were a kid, in those days …

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 3:56 pm

    Meanwhile, in sunny Queensland, another LNP, Minister falls on his fkn sword over cronyism … it’s like watching a re-run of the 1970’s … these pricks cannot get their noses out of the trough for a day … no wonder they want to “tighten” the controls on the CMC …

    QUEENSLAND Housing Minister Bruce Flegg has resigned, amid allegations he misled parliament over contacts he had with his lobbyist son.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/ministers-rally-behind-embattled-flegg/story-e6frfku9-1226516696007

    What a Circus …

  39. November 14, 2012 4:27 pm

    “I do not hate Tony Abbott I hate the way he acts and his personality”

    Interesting…

    I’m not quite sure how you can separate “him” from his “personality.”

    I just despise the whole package…

    I really don’t think that Tony Abbott is really all that complicated…

    He’s just a dumb thug that’s managed to bully his way to the top.

    I don’t think there’s any undiscovered intellectual giant lurking beneath the surface.

    Although Id be delighted to be proven otherwise….

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 4:32 pm

    I don’t see myself as a Liberal supporter, so their policies aren’t of huge interest to me.

    They’re what they’ve always been, conservatives with an inability to attract much talent. Abbott isn’t much different to any of his predecessors.

    On the other hand, the ALP is in free fall in ethics, vision, talent, progressive policy. They’re now in worse condition than when Whitlam faced down the faceless men.

    I’m not a supporter of the ‘least worst’ decision – f**k ’em both is more appealing to me.
    ===========
    Hawke was never a hack. When he was ACTU President they had almost half the workforce. Keating didn’t use the unions to provide his career.

    Equally, I don’t regard Combet as a hack, he’s intelligent. But there are plenty in the ministry who qualify as hacks, and the backbench is crowded with them.

  41. November 14, 2012 4:36 pm

    I agree with you TB.

    We “authentic” left leaning lefties have plenty to be dismayed about with the current govt, but the LNP supporters never seem to think that “their side” can do any wrong.

  42. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 4:44 pm

    ‘It’s your one sided arguments that lead to our disbelief …’

    If Tabit doesn’t drop his Direct Action Plan I’ll write across the ballot paper ‘a pox on both your houses’. How’s that?

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 5:14 pm

    How’s that?

    WOW! I’m convinced …. 🙄

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 5:47 pm

    For rightwhingers … and egg and ToM … who aren’t rightwhingers but very disgruntled ex-ALP supporters …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/pm-julia-gillard-eats-victims-for-lunch-according-to-the-lodge-menu/story-fndo4eg9-1226516662829

  45. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 5:52 pm

    🙂

  46. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 6:31 pm

    Well, they would say that wouldn’t they?

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 6:50 pm

    Well, they would say that wouldn’t they?

    eggman, speak with forked tongue — who would say what … anyway … whiteman with yellow centre … 😛

  48. November 14, 2012 6:52 pm

    The new/old cowardly sockpuppets of the fled are quaint.

  49. November 14, 2012 7:12 pm

    Tony Abbott…less popular than being smacked in the nuts by a hockeyball; apparently.

    No surprises there.

    The only Abbottlickers left are sockpuppets; ghosts of rightards past.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 8:27 pm

    I quite like the sockpuppets.

  51. November 14, 2012 8:55 pm

    Interesting. Who, exactly, does that mean you are liking?

  52. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 9:02 pm

    The fab four are back together…

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 9:07 pm

    I like all of them, and if there were more of any political persuasion or complexion, I’d like them too.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2012 9:22 pm

    I like all of them, and if there were more of any political persuasion or complexion, I’d like them too.

    What you mean is sneaky little shits like all Catlick Liberals .., and yeah I’ve got history in my family and so called friends so I’m biased … but the trufe is the trufe …

  55. si sta andando a bisogno di una barca più grande permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:09 pm

    Julia says it didn’t happen

    It’s just a smear

    Next week in parliament she will answer any questions with ” it’s just a smear”

    Good luck with that Julia

  56. si sta andando a bisogno di una barca più grande permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:16 pm

    Julia needs to make one of those comprehensive statements to parliament.

    Those sort of things set aside all doubts when you think about it.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:26 pm

    คุณจะต้องเรือใหญ่ makes a lot of sense

  58. si sta andando a bisogno di una barca più grande permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:28 pm

    Oh

    $5000 bucks turned up in my account just now.

    Thank you someone.

    Happens all the time.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:40 pm

    Most Italians & Irish are Catholics. Plenty of French too. Argentineans seem nice. In fact most types are fine despite their religion.

  60. si sta andando a bisogno di una barca più grande permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:41 pm

    Not just that

    They have really good coffee

  61. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 14, 2012 10:45 pm

    Changes smelly socks

    Whoa

    Stopped for a coffee in Austria today

  62. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 14, 2012 11:12 pm

    “คุณจะต้องเรือใหญ่ makes a lot of sense”

    I’m tongue-thai-ed on that one

    LOL

  63. November 15, 2012 7:42 am

    Union official who first raised Julia Gillard renovation claims now doubts his own story

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/union-official-who-first-raised-julia-gillard-renovation-claims-now-doubts-his-own-story/story-fng5kxvh-1226516991591

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    😯 😯 😯 😯

  64. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 15, 2012 8:11 am

    ” I don’t see myself as a Liberal supporter,
    so their policies aren’t of huge interest to me.

    conservatives with an inability to attract much talent.
    Abbott isn’t much different to any of his predecessors.

    f**k ‘em both is more appealing to me. ”

    So, who didn’t guzzle their Tea today?

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2012 10:11 am

    Has Gillard specifically addressed the question about who paid for (all or part of) her renovations?

    Has she explained how and why her fraudster boyfriend happened to put $$$$$$$$$$$$$ into her bank account? Just at the same time he was stealing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the union via the slush fund that Gillard helped him establish?

    Gillard has a whiff about her that won’t go away.

  66. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2012 10:36 am

    Gillard also hasn’t revealed what she had for breakfast on the day 23 February, 1992.

    WE DEMAND ANSWERS!!!

    Gillard has a whiff about her that won’t go away.

    That could be more to do with where your nose is than anything else 😉

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2012 12:05 pm

    Perhaps the relevant points about Gillard’s honesty are-

    *She’s used the ‘girly girl’ defense for her actions, then objects to sexism (completely redefining ‘misogyny in the process)
    *Gets a sling – equivalent to $10,000 now from her corrupt/thief boyfriend, but refuses to explain how/why
    *Says she didn’t have to tell the police about the theft from the union, because they already knew. This is a lie.
    *Got her house renovated, but isn’t sure she didn’t receive some benefit from the fraudulently obtained funds
    *Failed to protect the interests of her fee paying client, putting her personal relationship first
    *Neglected the interests of her employer, which had given her the opportunity to be a partner
    *Broken the trust of her employer to the extent that she was (in practice) dismissed from the last job she had outside politics
    *Caused her employer to lose their largest client
    *Obfuscated about the issue for 2 decades, and it’s finally catching up with her

    Actually, all that’s more than a whiff.

  68. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 15, 2012 12:07 pm

    “Gillard also hasn’t revealed what she had for breakfast on the day 23 February, 1992.”

    Well its not the whiff of burnt toast that lingers in the air

    It’s the smell of a Smoking Gun I’d say

    Its going to be a very rough 4 days for Julia in Parliament next week as just repeating her stupid “smear” line to answer questions about fresh evidence will not be enough

  69. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2012 12:15 pm

    It’s the smell of a Smoking Gun I’d say

    That guns fired that many blanks I’d be taking it to a doctor for a check up.

    Meanwhile, yomm ramps up the dot points of smear. which are fluctuating daily as the evidence appears tantalizingly close, only to disappear in a burst of reality

    YAAAAAWWN

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2012 12:26 pm

    Like it or not Tom R, I think all those dot asterisk points are facts, not smears.

    She got her experience in duplicity when she was ‘young and naive’, Wilke has been a recent recipient!

  71. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2012 12:37 pm

    Obfuscated about the issue for 2 decades

    Answering all questions for almost an hour is ‘Obfuscating’ is it?

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  72. November 15, 2012 1:14 pm

    reb

    I can separate Tony the person from Tony the policitian. The allegation was we have a hatred of Tony Abbott, well I genuinely do not hate him. I believe he is a wonderful father and husband, why should I think any different. What I do not like is his mannerisms and aggression, along with his personality when it comes to politics and his career. I would rather he stop whinging and being negative. I disliked his nasty aggressive attack dog style when the “levy for everything” govt was in power and I watched question time. It hasn’t been a dislike of Tony Abbotts personality all of a sudden when they lost office. It was a dislike from virtually day 1.

  73. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 2:27 pm

    ‘Answering all questions for almost an hour is ‘Obfuscating’ is it?’

    The Canberra journalists were ambushed by joolya’s office, good political strategy.

  74. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 2:31 pm

    And she obfuscated.

  75. BB's Fact Reality Check permalink
    November 15, 2012 2:56 pm

    The Austraian’s story is so byzantine and convoluted, … “Here’s all these detailed goings on – denials, assertions, fractured memories, diary entries, Dictaphone details, contextual rehashes, bits and pieces from everywhere, lots and lots of names and dates – and none of it points to anything at all.”

    Gillard was right: it’s a smear.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/12/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-2/?comment_page=49/#comment-1472736

    We do not have news outlets in this country, we have propaganda organs!

    The Australian is being quite unhinged, indeed obsessive.

    They are dragging sources, “witnesses”, documents and other “evidence” from everywhere in their quest to nail Gillard. The aim is to bombard the reader with so much “information” – names, dates, sources – that the conclusion is inevitably, “She must have done something wrong”.

    My gut feeling is that it’s too much. Too much obsessiveness, too much unanchored detail, too long ago, too complicated and outright boring.

    The public delivered their judgement after the press conference: they gave her a tick for guts and courage in facing this mob of hyenas, who’d rather talk “scandal” than do any hard work on policy. The public made up its mind and started listening to her again.

    I think they want good news from now on, not endless, repetitive, fevered speculation peppered with “There is no evidence at all that…” legalistic get-outs.

    If there’s no evidence, they why run the story?

    Why read it?

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/12/newspoll-51-49-to-coalition-2/?comment_page=50/#comment-1472759

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2012 3:12 pm

    Replies that are basically-
    *Take it up with this link
    *It was so long ago
    *What’s the allegation? (which comes straight after a list of some of the facts)

    …are very funny.

  77. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 3:13 pm

    Not exactly nooze…

    ‘Xi Jinping has become the leader of China.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/xi-jinping-becomes-china-leader-20121115-29e6l.html#ixzz2CGG6NXFO

  78. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 3:43 pm

    ‘What I do not like is his mannerisms’

    His swagger has been noticed by the Liberal Party machine and they will try to reform him.

  79. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 15, 2012 4:08 pm

    So because Bushfire Bill says it cant be so so it cant be so.
    That’s the end of that then LOL

  80. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 15, 2012 4:12 pm

    “I believe he is a wonderful father and husband”

    How can that be when he hates women or at least does not regard them as equals?

    How could that possibly make him “wonderful” ?

    Last I heard he was a misogynist

    Perhaps he’s not ?

  81. November 15, 2012 4:22 pm

    2DT Shock Jock

    How do you know he hates women. Has he told you personally ?. I just do not believe those things of him. I wont vote for him, but nor will I castigate him for things I simply do not believe.

  82. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 5:13 pm

    Hmmm….

  83. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 5:53 pm

    Kitty was right… its time for a revolution.

    ‘THE richest fifth of households receive nearly half of all the wages paid in Australia but also get about 12 per cent of all government handouts, new research by the Bureau of Statistics shows.

    ‘The findings not only highlight big income disparities across the community but raise questions about the scale of “middle-class welfare” flowing to well-off families.
    The richest fifth of households had nearly three-quarters of all savings.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/to-those-who-have-much-more-will-be-given-as-handouts-20121114-29cpv.html#ixzz2CGu4iG1o

  84. November 15, 2012 6:30 pm

    So because Bushfire Bill says it cant be so so it cant be so.

    Yes, stupid isn’t it

    Almost as stupid as believing it is so because some character who wants his record wiped clean says so

  85. November 15, 2012 6:57 pm

    We do not have news outlets in this country, we have propaganda organs!

    The Australian media is being quite extremely unhinged, indeed obsessive. Particularly the Murdoch Press and pro-Lib, pro-biz toots that are pushing hard their mis/dis information onto the public.

  86. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 7:11 pm

    The Australian Brainwashing Corporation propaganda is more effective than the Murdocracy.

  87. November 15, 2012 7:31 pm

    el gordo ABC propaganda is more effective than the Murdocracy.

    Not really. It’s the Murdoch Press crap, particularly ‘the oz’ that sets the daily ‘news’ talking points for most of the networks contents, both radio and TV.

    Papers hit the news stand between 4 and 5am.
    ABC breakfast, sunrise7, 10s and 9s shows go from 6am.
    All sourced from the papers.

  88. November 15, 2012 7:32 pm

    The papers start posting their web content just after midnight,
    if you hadn’t noticed.

  89. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 8:08 pm

    The tittle tattle of Rupert’s rags uncover a great deal of corruption, this is good journalism.

    The big issue at the moment is the BBC decision some years ago to strictly limit contrarian views on CC and this has filtered though to aunty.

    By comparison the Murdoch papers appear evenly balanced on the subject.

  90. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 8:13 pm

    ‘Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument.’

    I rest my case.

  91. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 15, 2012 10:17 pm

    “Not really. It’s the Murdoch Press crap, particularly ‘the oz’ that sets the daily ‘news’ talking points for most of the networks contents, both radio and TV.”

    What an excellent argument to sell off the ABC to get some balance.

  92. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 15, 2012 10:27 pm

    •How did Julia manage to witness a Power of Attorney when she was not in the same city as the guy giving away the power under signature?

    •Why did she receive $5000 in cash into her account ?

    •Why does her timeline as to why she did not contact Police not match up with the Police version?

    All this is has only just been uncovered yet her supporters and she claims its all a smear and she has answered all the questions when pretty obviously she has not.

  93. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 15, 2012 10:44 pm

    German coffee is very nice

    The waiters are pricks though

  94. el gordo permalink
    November 15, 2012 11:01 pm

    France, Greece and Spain are in depression, but Germany can expect modest growth.

  95. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 15, 2012 11:19 pm

    •Why did Julia say to Slater and Gordon partners 1995 that she could not be certain whether she had benefited unknowingly via corruption in the renovation of her home.

    •But now she categorically denies she did benefit

    Yet she claims she has had no contact with anyone jnvolved.

    What changed her opinion ?

    Is Julia a member of the Obeid family?

    If not they should adopt her . She could teach them a thing or two

  96. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 15, 2012 11:29 pm

    “France, Greece and Spain are in depression, but Germany can expect modest growth.”

    Based upon now and previous trips The bloke waiters dislike serving others outside their own race.

    But The fraus etc are delightful.

  97. November 16, 2012 1:23 am

    ” excellent argument to sell off the ABC to get some balance. “
    Yes, there is such a shortage of right wing propaganda in the Austalian Media. Actually, the right wing toot won’t get through without 100% media support, due to the poor quality of the message.

  98. November 16, 2012 1:35 am

    So Boaty, being ‘ rid ‘ of the ABC will restore ‘ balance ‘ in your mind. But what about ‘ choice ‘? You seem to demand a thousand choices of salty crackers at the supermarket. Then you demand no ‘ choice ‘ or variety in the propaganda you consume via the media.
    So did the Politburo

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 16, 2012 3:30 am

    I just despise the whole package…
    I really don’t think that Tony Abbott is really all that complicated…
    He’s just a dumb thug that’s managed to bully his way to the top.

    I think abbott is motivated by religion first and foremost. He wants to ensure his religious worldview be imposed upon the populace through politics. He has never had to work for anything in his life. Doors have been opened for him all along the way of his career, firstly with his father’s money [which kept him out of jail in his student politics days] then the old school tie network, the church influence and then influential liberal party connections eg john howard.

    If he were a student at his old college, St Johns, he’d be one of the out of control “traditionalists” criminals who believe that they rule the place and demand that they should receive no punishment for transgressions even when other young lives are at stake. Nothing should hinder the brilliant career, he was born to rule!

  100. November 16, 2012 3:59 am

    The Tony Abbott I know, has a brilliant career and knows he was born to rule, in his modest fashion, of course. Misogyny is not a character trait The Tony Abbott I know possesses. Instead, The Tony Abbott I know prefers to do the ironing in his spare time, The Tony Abbott I know finds ironing relaxing. The Tony Abbott I know feels strongly for the work-force, there is no hard-hat too hard, no fluro-vest too bright and, no fish too gutsy that will keep The Tony Abbott I know from his beloved workers.

    That’s The Tony Abbott I know.

  101. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 16, 2012 4:43 am

    This is interesting…There are similar polls suggesting that it isn’t women in general that supported BO over Romney in this election but that “SINGLE” women vs “Married”. It appears that single women prefer BO but married prefer Romney…Much speculation on this but some have implied it is a one issue thing aka ABORTION….

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/09/single-women-voted-favour-obama

    I would be curious to see if this is the trend in Australia as well….I guess you could say then by deduction that the key to winning “single” women is to say lets cater to the abortion topic which is to say, to hell with the other numerous issues facing this country…All about “me” I guess….What say you Kitty?

  102. Toot Toot Sparta permalink
    November 16, 2012 6:20 am

    ” one issue thing aka ABORTION ”

    ” if this is the trend in Australia “

    Teapot culture hasn’t really taken off in Australia Sparta.
    Even most of our churchy types don’t really believe that priests should be deciding folks medical treatment. They just reckon their priests shouldn’t be fiddling with children. It is only the idiot class, which is quite small thankfully, that need to yell outlaw ABORTION.

    Instead of peddling bullshit, which is rare, they have decided to have a royal commission, which is a really big investigation, into the priests that fiddle with children. This is going to be more entertaining than watching a mexican proof fence!

  103. November 16, 2012 6:36 am

    Sparta

    If you were a single mother and one of the candidates for presidency was secretly filmed stating he doesn’t care about 47% of the country which includes single mothers who could be on benefits.

    This single mother is on benefits because her ex left her in the lurch and just pissed off leaving her to care for the kids. Her number one priority would be to feed her family the only way she knows how and that is welfare, especially given the current employment situation in the US.

    I call that survival, not all about “me”. People who earn millions of dollars and pay less tax than middle class workers are all about “me”. Tax rules which actually tax passive income far less than labour income are all about “me”. I can think of many more “me” moments.

    Of course she would vote for the candidate that actually still cares about the 47% of the poor. But also the single mothers parents and siblings may have changed their vote as well being horrified at the total disregard for those unable to look after themselves. Those votes cannot be isolated.

    The demographics of the single mothers in your post, 40% of African American and 30% of Latino. I think your answer is there and not the abortion excuse.

    In addition lumped into single mothers is many who are Divorced, Separated, Widowed or never married. In this country Divorced, Widowed and Separated are separate marital status from Single.

    In addition what percentage of the “single mothers” are truly single and not separated, divorced or widowed.

  104. Toot Toot Sparta permalink
    November 16, 2012 6:52 am

    ShaneInQld raises some great points too Sparta.
    How many War Widows/Widowers, 911 survivors, who/family are now suffering financially and healthwise would want Romney.

  105. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 16, 2012 9:47 am

    I cant recall the last time I saw a “Right to Life” or “Festival of Light” protest about Abortion in Australia.

    It is now such a Non Issue compared to the 1960s to 1980s.

    Perhaps its still an issue in the USA because the pollies there must appeal to so many fringe groups to get them motivated to vote.

    Which of course is another reason why Compulsory Voting (Getting Name Ticked off at Ballot Box each election) is a good thing as it means you dont have to talk about fringe issues every election.

  106. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:06 am

    SJ is correct about compulsory voting, it doesn’t take loads of money to woo groups and the issues of most concern to the electorate are aired…then judged.

  107. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:21 am

    And before people argue against compulsory voting as being by its very nature “undemocratic” but I don’t believe Australia as a Democracy is too diminished by it.

    In fact I’d argue that being required to vote on a bloody Tuesday (workday for most) at a single polling booth ( the one closest to you) using all manner of different contraptions to count your vote is much more Un-Democratic than Compulsory Voting

  108. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:38 am

    Hear hear

  109. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:52 am

    And disgruntled ex-Labor voters can invalidate.

  110. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 12:14 pm

    Quote of the week…

    ‘In a September 15, 1995, diary entry, Australian Workers Union head Ian Cambridge described the concealment to a union official as “a bit like the Watergate scandal whereby the attempt to cover up the original crime was now far worse perhaps than the original crime, although given some recent revelations the original crimes were taking on an entirely new dimension as well”.

    Hedley Thomas in the Oz

  111. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 1:23 pm

    ‘I think abbott is motivated by religion first and foremost. He wants to ensure his religious worldview be imposed upon the populace through politics.’

    That’s crap Kitty, the man has a catholic conscience and that’s all.

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 16, 2012 2:23 pm

    I guess you could say then by deduction that the key to winning “single” women is to say lets cater to the abortion topic which is to say, to hell with the other numerous issues facing this country…All about “me” I guess….What say you Kitty?

    It is not a singles issue, it is a female issue, we are half of the population. It becomes an issue only because some fools try to make it one and deliberately set out to restrict and control female fertility. Of course women will object and vote accordingly. I suggest that the teapot party lost a lot of votes because of the way they view females.

    shaneinqld has covered most issues in his post.
    Firstly, abortion is something that australian women will demand and they get pretty angry when men [and their female enablers] want to legislate to control or restrict their lives, bodies and choices. Married women demand choice in abortion for themselves as well as for other women, married, single or inbetween, no-one knows what personal circumstances they may face and what hard decisions they will need to make in life. Why would any sane person wish us to return to the days of backyard abortions and certain death? As shane said, ‘single’ women is not really apt as many women are cohabiting with life partners but choose to remain unmarried. Then there are the divorced, widowed and actual singles. One thing they have in common is the belief that they own and control their own bodies.

    I do think that the teapots in the US [who seem to control the republican party] were carrying out a war on women, trying to pander to the angry, old, conservative, white male. To some extent, Abbott’s party have tried the same here [the influence of all those US teapots imported as staffers for him combined with his own personal worldview] the sexism and chauvinistic remarks started as soon as gillard became PM. Finally, she had enough and called him out on it with that memorable speech. Australians rejoiced. Luckily, the angry white male view has become a minority, society has progressed and there is no going back.
    Religion is seen here as something that should be personal and non intrusive, live and let live, nothing annoys us more than someone proselytising and hypocritically not living up to their own preachings, values and dictates.

    Nash Column: Radical right too extreme to govern nation

    …It’s long been clear to those who aren’t fixated on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh that the Republican Party is out of step with the majority of Americans, but the Republicans refused to see it. They made up their own reality, they ignored the polls and refused to take off their blinders. Now that the truth is known they’re confused, dismayed and rationalizing their heads off…

    After the US election results, I think abbott will try to hide the teapots and fundies in his party, only trouble is, abbott is one of them and women know it.

    The angry white men still have their megaphones in the australian newspaper and on radio, but people have tired of their constant vitriol and their fake debates.

    The big media fantasy complex is open for business

    …The media more generally continues to treat Abbott’s “direct action” propositions as a legitimate alternative to a carbon price rather than the unworkable, bloated, expensive figleaf that it is, and we all pretend that Prime Minister Abbott will, one, exist, and two, repeal the pricing legislation…

    …The media fills up daily with business groups and representatives and spokespeople who insist that we are on the edge of doom thanks to the Fair Work Act and that it is making us a high-cost, low-productivity economy.

    All evidence to the contrary…

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 16, 2012 2:29 pm

    That’s crap Kitty, the man has a catholic conscience and that’s all.

    If the religious were not political cowards they would put their religious values and allegiences up front to their electorates and see how far it gets them. It tells all that australian politicians hide their religious affiliations from the public and hide behind ‘conscience’ votes in parliament.

    That goes for both labor and liberal.

  114. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 2:32 pm

    So you want Barnaby and the monk to ‘come out’ and admit they believe in fairy tales?

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 16, 2012 3:07 pm

    No I want them to admit their affiliations with religious lobbies and groups, I
    want them to state publicly where they stand on controversial social issues and how they would vote.

    You know, the courage of their convictions eg kevin andrews

    [wilki]

    …Andrews made a speech to the Endeavour Forum on 9 April 2003[34] a group focusing on women’s issues, opposing abortion, equal opportunity and affirmative action.[35]

    He has also spoken at the Family Council of Victoria,[36] an organisation which regards homosexuality as the manifestation of a psychiatric disorder.[37] The Family Council of Victoria also opposes sex-education and anti-homophobia policies in public schools, which it claims is “pro-homosexual indoctrination” of students.[38]…

    …In 2011, as a Liberal Shadow Cabinet frontbencher Andrews published a critique of the Greens policy agenda for Quadrant Magazine in which he wrote that the Australian Greens’ “objective involves a radical transformation of the culture that underpins Western civilisation” and that their agenda would threaten the “Judeo-Christian/Enlightenment synthesis that upholds the individual” as well as “the economic system that has resulted in the creation of wealth and prosperity for the most people in human history.”[40]…

    gotta go to work now.

  116. el gordo permalink
    November 16, 2012 4:08 pm

    ‘would threaten the “Judeo-Christian/Enlightenment synthesis’

    He’s prone to exaggeration. Wonder what his views are on the virgin birth?

  117. 2DT Shock Jock (666) permalink
    November 16, 2012 4:10 pm

    “the economic system that has resulted in the creation of wealth and prosperity for the most people in human history.”

    Kevin Andrews must be Satan Incarnate for supporting that sort of thing.

  118. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:19 pm

    Shane,

    “If you were a single mother and one of the candidates for presidency was secretly filmed stating he doesn’t care about 47% of the country which includes single mothers who could be on benefits.”

    I am not trying to defend the millionaire but let’s be honest, he did have a point. Nobody is going to vote somebody into office that may in theory “take away” your source of income…He was just stating a painful reality and it bit him in the ass…Regardless of who makes up that 47% and why he was referring to income taxes and that they don’t pay any…He is factually correct. Income tax is one of our government’s largest sources of revenue. We simply cannot keep raising the tax rate on a shrinking upper class with an ever growing lower class. It is common sense and one only need look to Europe to see this…

    “I call that survival, not all about “me”

    Well, I do want to get into a discussion on taxes but we both know “rate” and whole dollar amount are not the same, agreed? I just don’t see how double taxing anybody is good governance…Also, in this country you are entitled to more in monthly benefits with child vs. without…We have incentivized out of wed lock births. It is a “paycheck” to many or a pathway to citizenship or both. Neither motivation is compatible with a philosophy which advocates independence and self sustainability…

    “The demographics of the single mothers in your post, 40% of African American and 30% of Latino. I think your answer is there and not the abortion excuse.”

    Well yes, I can’t disagree with that as those two groups make up the largest portion of the “out of wedlock” births and nationally those numbers are even higher… The point being that many women desire to have the option of “abortion” more so when single vs. married is all. In regards to demographics, marriage and the vote; I am not sure that was taken into consideration but I wouldn’t be surprised if it played a role…Illegal immigration and poverty are big winners for the Democrats, sadly that is a fact (I think your Labor sees much of the same advantages). Again, with contraception and abortion being so readily available it is hard to see it as simply survival. Ultimately, each woman “chose” to have unprotected sex, out of wed lock. Prior to abortion on demand, birth control and degraded culture, these numbers were not seen. The concept of “single mother’ was rare.

  119. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:46 pm

    Kitty,

    “they get pretty angry when men [and their female enablers] want to legislate to control or restrict their lives, bodies and choices”

    Well I don’t want to “control” anybody, especially women, that is the desire of the Left…I do have objection however to my tax dollars going to the killing of the unborn and as such I do have a say, sorry….I submit women simply want to have their cake and eat it too…Nothing more..

    “Why would any sane person wish us to return to the days of backyard abortions and certain death?”

    Kitty this is such a lame argument and it is completely unfounded…Based on what exactly? It is pure speculation and scaremongering. Did it go on, yes but to what extent nobody knows. Get rid of the ease of which women can be rid of their “bad decision” aka abortion and you will get more responsible behavior…If men could get pregnant I am sure you would see much the same change in their behavior…As I mentioned to Shane, we have simply incentivized bad and reckless behavior by making it so readily available and even legitimizing it…The fact that advocates fight against even allowing a woman to see an ultrasound of a baby she is about to abort aka kill says much I think…

    “Luckily, the angry white male view has become a minority, society has progressed and there is no going back.”

    Oh dear Kitty…you are like a liberal cliché…White this and that, abortion, religion…sigh…Look, I say import as many “non-white” males/views as you can, Islamic preferably and change the “white power structure” as fast as you can…Then you can see what a wonderful world you have or you can just look to the middle east, or Asia and get a sense of the utopia you “think” you are building. Yes, the “white” man is a becoming a collector’s item to be sure but to what end? Do you really believe that will change the world for the better? Last time I checked the only bastions of reasons, to include your own, were spawned from “angry white men”. I am sorry, but the world you want to usher in is and will never be progress. If you were as avid a student of history as you are “abortion” you would know this.

  120. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 16, 2012 10:49 pm

    My apologies for the grammatical errors…Late for work!

  121. November 16, 2012 11:20 pm

    ” I am not trying to defend the millionaire but let’s be honest, “
    (Yes You Are) ” he did have a point. Nobody is going to vote somebody into office that may in theory “take away” your source of income “

    ” He was just stating a painful reality and it bit him in the ass “

    Romney got a lot of wealth by ” debt loading ” companies he owned.

    Those small-biz and pension-funds he ripped off by debt loading would also be a ghost past, coming back to haunt him.

  122. November 16, 2012 11:36 pm

    ” with contraception and abortion being so readily available “
    (only a dim-wit wants other-wise)

    ” each woman “chose” to have unprotected sex, out of wed lock.”
    (for a couple of hundred thousand years, it’s been the norm)

    ” Prior to abortion on demand, birth control and degraded culture, these numbers were not seen”
    (only Teabag dim wits ‘care’ about these numbers)

    ” The concept of “single mother’ was rare. “
    (this is delusional, even with the 1950s mantra you toot on about)

  123. Sie benötigen ein größeres Boot permalink
    November 17, 2012 12:05 am

    • Julia is disgusted that some people have averted their eyes to a crime and she believes rightly that a crime confessed in a Confessional must be reported to Police.

    • Julia knew about a crime of fraud in 1995 but never reported it to the Police. There was an 8 month gap between her leaving S&G knowing about the criminal actuvity of her boyfriend and when the Police ( no help from her) began investigating in 1996.

    Julia has a very peculiar set of values

  124. el gordo permalink
    November 17, 2012 8:42 am

    The western world is not too far off from having a pill for men to prevent pregnancy in women and viagra for women so that can enjoy sex like men do.

    The population will drop dramatically, while sex and anything related to it will not become a political football and the battle of the sexes will become a thing of the past as humanity discovers heaven on earth.

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2012 9:33 am

    • The Prime Minister’s old boyfriend stole from his union. The Prime Minister set up the organisations to enable the theft.
    • Former ALP National President charged with stealing from his union, HSU to sue him to recover the money.
    • The bloke the government relies on to remain in office knocked off cash from the union he ran.

    no, nothing at all of interest here.

  126. el gordo permalink
    November 17, 2012 9:44 am

    Nooze Poll

    ‘A TURBULENT period in national affairs has left Australians disillusioned with their federal system and increasingly cynical about the national tier of government.

    ‘Fully two-thirds of Australians do not believe federal and state governments are working well together, while confidence in the federal government as the most effective of the three levels at doing its job has plummeted from 50 per cent in 2008 to 29 per cent today.’

    Salusinszky in the Oz

    Its all Labor’s fault it seems.

  127. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 17, 2012 10:03 am

    “Romney got a lot of wealth by ” debt loading ” companies he owned.”

    Well yes, that is what venture capitalist do, by failing companies dude…

    “(only a dim-wit wants other-wise)”

    Contraception yes but not abortion used as such…

    “(for a couple of hundred thousand years, it’s been the norm)”

    Huh? That says what exactly? Now you sound like a fundamentalist trying to make fun of such…

    “(only Teabag dim wits ‘care’ about these numbers)”

    I doubt you have any idea what I am talking about…Of course I care, single mothers don’t exactly have a great track record in certain communities…Doesn’t actually lend itself to anything but propagated poverty…Do you know the numbers or just rambling on for the heck of it?

    “(this is delusional, even with the 1950s mantra you toot on about)”

    My god…Ok, you find numbers comparing the 1950’s to 2012…prove me wrong…

  128. November 17, 2012 11:20 am

    blah blah …. abortion …. blah blah …. abortion …. blah blah …. abortion …. blah blah …. abortion …. blah blah …. abortion ….

    Too bad at Tea-Bag school they don’t teach you guys how to write a coherent paragraph of text, instead of the disjointed toot you spam Australian blogs with. You may want to find out what proof reading is too. Happy republican, anti-abortion, tea-bag trolling Sparta.

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 17, 2012 1:28 pm

    The western world is not too far off from having a pill for men to prevent pregnancy in women…

    The male pill for men sounds great, I have to wonder about the uptake – how many men would take it [fear of a reduction in their ‘masculinity’] and could women trust them to do so? Time will tell.

    and viagra for women so that can enjoy sex like men do.

    Who is that supposed to benefit, men or women? 🙂

    sparta

    Much of my initial thoughts on response have been answered by toot toot.

    …I do have objection however to my tax dollars going to the killing of the unborn and as such I do have a say, sorry…

    I don’t see how you can kill what doesn’t exist.

    ….I submit women simply want to have their cake and eat it too…Nothing more..

    Why shouldn’t they? The means are there for them to do so and after all, it is their body and their lives, their decisions to make. It is of no concern to others what they may choose to do. males who have always enjoyed ordering, eating and decorating their ‘cake’ seem to think that they should decide the flavour of a females cake. Women will choose their own cake thanks.

    Get rid of the ease of which women can be rid of their “bad decision” aka abortion and you will get more responsible behavior…

    I don’t think a man gets to call any woman’s decision over her own body as ‘bad’, your judgement and values are your own to live by. What is bad for you might be good for someone else, stop concerning yourself with other people’s personal business.

    You keep forgetting that there are two people involved in pregnancy and abortion. Why is it only the woman who is irresponsible in your eyes, is it an immaculate conception? I can never see it as a bad decision, I don’t walk in their shoes or live their life, I will support a woman’s choice in what is necessary for themselves under extremely difficult circumstances.

    I am sorry, but the world you want to usher in is and will never be progress.

    You’ve got no idea of what kind of world I would like to usher in, you have only described a ‘fear’ of muslims and asians and other foreign male types. Perhaps the future should be one where women lead, maybe we would see better diplomacy, less war, less fear and xenophobia, more ‘getting along’.

    Now that would be progress!

  130. el gordo permalink
    November 17, 2012 3:14 pm

    ‘Who is that supposed to benefit, men or women?’

    Female sexual disfunction is common place and a little testosterone will make a world of difference for all concerned.

    And its my understanding the pill for men is harmless and won’t effect virility. There is nothing stopping women continuing to take the birth control pill if they like being unnaturally fat and lacking libido.

  131. November 18, 2012 6:52 am

    Dear Armchair,
    For your enjoyment I am FedX-ing you a fresh package of Arse-Clown`s to demolish. Since the recent election and magic undies failure, there seems to be a surplus of unhinged 11th-century morality Arse-Clown`s. FedX tells me the Arse-Clown`s will arrive soon from their main distribution warehouse in Arizona.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2012 1:00 pm

    We simply cannot keep raising the tax rate on a shrinking upper class with an ever growing lower class. It is common sense and one only need look to Europe to see this…

    You haven’t seen or heard the ‘latest’ news sparta, apparently the austerity policies that were forced upon european countries have made their economies worse not better.

  133. November 18, 2012 1:37 pm

    Armchair “..the austerity policies that were forced upon european countries have made their economies worse not better.”
    From what I`ve seen on pbs newshour/sbs news, the austerity measures have not only made their economies worse, but also destroying the working class and poor. There has been several suicide`s when folks have had their pension cancelled/reduced and had their homes taken by the banks. The rich still seem to be okay.

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2012 3:32 pm

    Debt kills the prospects of the next generation. Austerity is the outcome of excessive debt, and it isn’t the fault of those currently having to suffer the consequences.

    Those that advocate growth through debt are either ignorant, avaricious or irresponsible.
    ———-
    …and when NBN turns into a white elephant that fails to meet its business targets and finishes up with a cost overrun of 25%, but still paying its executives a few million in bonuses, while having to be bailed out by taxpayers, remember the lesson of excessive debt and reliance on government.

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2012 6:46 pm

    …and when NBN turns into a white elephant that fails to meet its business targets and finishes up with a cost overrun of 25%, but still paying its executives a few million in bonuses, while having to be bailed out by taxpayers, remember the lesson of excessive debt and reliance on government.

    Like the GFC and government [taxpayers] buffering us through a global economic meltdown? thank goodness for government reliability.

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2012 8:54 pm

    20 years ago a range of OECD countries has public sector debt of about 20% of GDP, including Australia.

    Most simply allowed their debt to mount, look where it’s got them. Most would prefer to rewind the clock, and get their debt under control.

    Australia has had a healthy aversion to public debt. That has been a significant net benefit to a strong economy. The notion that debt creates a strong economy is nonsense.
    ——-
    Meanwhile with a NBN that is 4 or 5 times the next most expensive in the world, will not be on time or on budget.

    Is the NBN still good value at 6 times the next most expensive? is it worthwhile at $3000 per capita? At what point is it reasonable to question the cost?

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 18, 2012 11:36 pm

    “…Meanwhile with a NBN that is 4 or 5 times the next most expensive in the world, will not be on time or on budget…”

    “…Australia has had a healthy aversion to public debt.”

    Not for something that benefits all of us, something that improves our daily lives and allows for equal participation in a modern, competitive and progressive society. I welcome that investment in the future of the nation.

    I’d rather the NBN than the billions spent on maintaining wars, locking up asylum seekers, subsidising miners, private health, education and negative gearing.

  138. el gordo permalink
    November 19, 2012 6:59 am

    ‘I welcome that investment in the future of the nation.’

    Hear hear…

  139. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 8:33 am

    LOL Tom.
    El gordo just proved he is the smarter right wing troll.
    Unlike you Tom, gordo realizes the NBN will provide him with the ability to troll at the speed of light.
    You better return to carrier pigeon!

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2012 8:48 am

    For 10% of the NBN cost we could hook up every public library, hospital, school, university.

    Just about every argument I hear tells us about the advancement we’re going to make in health and education, fine.

    But that’s 1/10 of the cost.

    The other $40,000,000,000 is running wit past every house in the country.

    At 5 times the cost of the next most expense in the world, at what point does it become questionable?

  141. Toot Toot Sparta permalink
    November 19, 2012 8:52 am

    Religious Conservatives are played for fools by the Corporate Conservatives. Abortion and Sexuality is used to manipulate them for the Religious vote and don’t supply any benefit to the Religious voter once Conservatives are in power. Religious Conservatives don’t hold the power in the Congress, Senate or Whitehouse under Conservative Governments. It is the Corporate Conservatives that hold the power in Republican Governments.

  142. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 9:01 am

    $$ NBN verses $$ Middle-East bullshit Wars ??

  143. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 9:04 am

    Too bad teh Liberals sold Telstra, could have saved $$ if they hadn’t.
    No vision and clueless.

  144. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 9:09 am

    $$ Middle-East bullshit Wars ??
    Will never create Govt income,
    never ending liability and
    rebuild costs for Govt.

  145. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 9:12 am

    But $$ NBN,
    Govt already gets small income.
    Once built and paid for, will
    not be an open-ended liability
    to Govt.

    Your bleating has
    no merit.

  146. Teabag of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 9:59 am

    Debt kills the prospects of the next generation of rich

    Austerity kills the prospects of Today’s Poor

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2012 11:47 am

    Sock puppets are fun, but they hate being specific.

    The burden of public debt is simply transferred to the next generation. Al the school halls won’t be paid for by the people that got the questionable benefit from the stimulus.

    The cost of the failed home insulation (that was installed, found to be causing fire, and then removed) will be around long after many of the homes have been demolished/redeveloped.

    When the NBN cost becomes $50,000,000,000 and a debt burden that retards necessary infrastructure spending, will anyone say what a wise (political) decision it was?

  148. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 19, 2012 11:55 am

    Hey

    The NBN is going to allow things that have not been developed/invented yet to run faster .

    Even 95 year old pensioners are going to get the benefit of waiting patiently for a few years for things to be developed/invented.

  149. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 12:35 pm

    Tea Trolls are fun, but they hate the truth.
    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2012/11/15/Abbott-and-Hockey-are-endangering-Australian-business.aspx

    “..failed home insulation (that was installed, found to be causing fire,

    Is the perfect example of business NOT regulated to safety standards at the STATE level, of most states. Business must be regulated much stricter to ensure this does not happen again. Deaths have already occurred, Fire Hazards are waiting.

  150. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 12:47 pm

    “Al the school halls won’t be paid for by the people that got the questionable benefit from the stimulus. “

    WTF does this/you mean??
    Be clear, not gibberish.

  151. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 12:55 pm

    “..retards necessary infrastructure spending,”

    The Howard regime was a pretty big retard to infrastructure spending, in-fact, I doubt we will have any bigger retard to infrastructure spending in the future.

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2012 1:53 pm

    1. It means that the people who obtained the jobs from the “stimulus” will be long retired before the debt that funded their jobs will be paid off.

    2. The best point barrackers can make these days – “…but, but, but…look at Howard”. It’s their answer to everything… “Howard came back from being this unpopular”, “Howard didn’t spend on infrastructure, “Howard was dishonest too”, “When Howard had off shore processing, he was really mean about it”

  153. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 19, 2012 1:56 pm

    “Business must be regulated much stricter to ensure this does not happen again”

    Why ?

    Are they going to inflict Home Insulation Mark II upon us some time soon

  154. el gordo permalink
    November 19, 2012 2:04 pm

    Reporting from the front line, there is recession in my town. The laundry has large inventory sitting on shelves and the man said “we’ve never known it so bad.”

    Its time for some middle class welfare? Or a stimulus of some kind?

  155. Tea Chest of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 2:43 pm

    @1. So Tom, you object to,
    A* people having jobs,
    B* people retiring,
    C* debt being paid off,
    D* “stimulus”
    E* things being funded

    Is there anything you don’t object to?

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 19, 2012 2:49 pm

    It is the Corporate Conservatives that hold the power in Republican Governments.

    Aren’t they the same ones who don’t like paying any tax and want small government, no regulation? The teabaggers must be crazy stupid to vote against their own best interests.

    And the teabaggers fall in line, much like the national party here, conveniently forgetting that they are supposed to be against predatory corporate practise. Austerity does nothing for the poor and the unemployed, just makes the suicide rates higher. Of course farmers aren’t lazy bludgers like those on social welfare, the government invites them in for their big handouts, time and time and time and time again.

    It means that the people who obtained the jobs from the “stimulus” will be long retired before the debt that funded their jobs will be paid off.

    Much like climate change deniers will be long dead when future generations have to pay for their non-action today [and that will be a much greater financial burden than paying off a stimulus].

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 19, 2012 2:51 pm

    Is there anything you don’t object to?

    the lib/nats and big business 🙂

  158. Tea Chest of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 2:52 pm

    @2. The best point Tea-Bags can make is ..but ..but ..but ..look at the cost ..look at the cost ..the debt ..the debt ..the debt ..aaahhhh like screaming mad-men.

    It’s their answer to everything.

    Tea-Bags make total fools of themselves screaming about NBN cost/debt.
    Visionless Tea-Bags sold Telstra, adding to NBN cost, suck it up princess.

  159. Toot Toot Canberra permalink
    November 19, 2012 3:35 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know,
    would never iron his shirt if there was a woman around.

  160. el gordo permalink
    November 19, 2012 4:04 pm

    My father calls it division of labour.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2012 4:36 pm

    the lib/nats and big business

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2012 4:54 pm

    AO – I don’t object to a carbon tax or trading.

    My objection is to Gillard’s proven dishonesty on the issue.

    But I’d add the caveat that when the government starts to implement restraints on its own use of fuel, I’ll believe they’re serious.
    =======
    It’s funny when the sock puppets try to make political points. They never get past stuff like ‘…but, but, but… Howard was really mean, and anyone who says the government is not sensational is a tea bag. And anyone who says Thommo has a case to answer is a misogynist troll’

  163. Toot Toot Canberra permalink
    November 19, 2012 9:48 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know,
    would never want a job that involves a hard-hat or fluoro-vest.

  164. Tea Plantation of Boltsville permalink
    November 19, 2012 10:24 pm

    Its funny when Tea Bags try to make political points on the NBN. They can never really get past stuff like their own sides 11-1/2 year history in power. That government was not sensational, with its 1870s vision, and Tea-Bag theory on privatization. Fancy selling the Telstra network when the world is entering the digital century!

  165. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 20, 2012 2:59 am

    “You haven’t seen or heard the ‘latest’ news sparta, apparently the austerity policies that were forced upon european countries have made their economies worse not better”

    This is just ignorance of anything economic…Try looking at the big picture Kitty and not as a snap shot in time…Their economies were already failing because of spending on the entitlement state and bad economic management…Only a complete imbecile would try to make a chicken before the egg argument in this case…Please, even the European leaders themselves are making my argument for me…Its called a “correction” Kitty….

    It is like a family spending way beyond its means for some time, getting use to that lifestyle and then finding themselves in such debt they have to stop spending..Sure, it will take a bit before they get use to living within their means again but it is necessary..The solution is not to go out and get another credit cards so you don’t have to “adjust”…Wake up….

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2012 9:02 am

    Unions

    1. Unions are pressing the construction industry superannuation fund to stop investing in Grollo projects. This is part of their get square attitude. Union officials sit on the board of the fund, and are misusing their power to seek to influence the investment strategy of the fund. Whatever happened to the fiduciary duty of superannuation board members.

    These union officials really have no idea.

    2. Unions involved in secret talks with John Singleton to roll Allan Joyce out of Qantas. What a joke! The man that brought us Allan Jones now wants to get the help of some chain dragging unions to help run an airline!

    The joint is stuffed.

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 20, 2012 2:21 pm

    My objection is to Gillard’s proven dishonesty on the issue.

    Cant believe you can think like that when you must know that most male politicians are just as dishonest but never get caned for it like gillard has, never becomes a problem for them.

    It is like a family spending way beyond its means for some time, getting use to that lifestyle and then finding themselves in such debt they have to stop spending..

    Only trouble with you argument sparta is that it is not the families who have been overspending and reckless, it is the financiers, the banks, that is what the the austerity was addressing the failure of the financial system, same as in the US. It’s the poor and the public servants who are suffering for something not of their making, same as in the US. The high flyers haven’t had to make any sacrifices have they? They get bailed out and continue on as they did previously.

    The joint is stuffed.

    Yes and the answer is not labor or liberal. A good cleanout of the corruption and collusion that is the two party duopoly is necessary, get rid of the lot of them and start again.

  168. el gordo permalink
    November 20, 2012 3:42 pm

    ‘…get rid of the lot of them and start again.’

    The electorate is clearly disappointed, its a pox on both their houses.

    I have no idea how the problem can be remedied in the short term, nevertheless two loose coalitions Lib/Nats and Lab/Grn is not a bad foundation for renewal.

    We demand grass roots input into all parties, no more union hacks or handpicked celebrities please.

    Malcolm Turnbull for President

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2012 4:00 pm

    AO –

    • Gillard is demonstrably dishonest.

    • Rudd was simply verbose and enjoyed overcomplicating things. I don’t believe he was dishonest.

    • I think devious is a reasonable description of Howard.

    • Keating wasn’t dishonest, he was politically clever, and the inertia caused by union hacks killed off his government.

    • Hawke may have had some personally questionable ethics in his private life, but politically he was direct and took great pains to take the public with him.

    • Fraser was a dishonest c**t.

  170. reb of Penang permalink
    November 20, 2012 4:10 pm

    I’m not so convinced that the joint us stuffed.

    The share market mid making modest by steady gains.

    Unemployment is still low in Australia, interest rates are low and may well drop again. Inflation is under control.

    If there’s anything we should be moaning about its how we continue to pay to dollar for imported goods when the Aussie dollar is do strong.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2012 5:43 pm

    I meant “it’s stuffed” in a narrow sense – Qantas & construction – given the help they’re getting from the unions.

    But I don’t believe we’re travelling as well as we should be. The growth of public debt is a legitimate concern, and before anyone says “but look at Europe or japan, or USA…” I’ll add that we’ve escalated from having no debt to having considerable debt in a few years.

    It’s a bad trend, and with an economy that is more likely to struggle than succeed, and with a highly politicised sentiment towards “stimulus”, we’re not in the positon we could and should be.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2012 7:27 pm

    Apologise for the Farnhan post but I have been away … enjoying the storm fronts on Stradbroke Island! 😯 (no interwebbything) and no I don’t own an idiot smart phone

    And I’m still trying to figure out who the sock puppets really are – only a matter of posts – and time … noice to see the webmasta posting too … g’day ol’ mate …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Their economies were already failing because of spending on the entitlement state and bad economic management

    Advised by the greedy AMERICAN pirates … Goldman Sachs … who are still sailing their fkn galleons around the world with no-one from the USA on their fkn tail …

    … and who made the Septic Tanks the “monitors” of Uber Kapitalism anyway … they can’t even manage their own fkn pocket money …

    REMEMBER THIS, Sparta, the GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS (GFC) was simply the American Commercial banks playing Robber Barons … France had a solution in 1790 … I for one would recommend it … I’ll hire you my guillotine for 1% of your country’s banks’ profits from European countries over the last decade … and I will give it BACK … to Europe …

    Sparta, your country IS corrupt … and has been since you thought you won the War for Independence … in other words … your lot is fkd, shagged Europe to death and we will not open our legs … we will cut your fkn dicks off … if you want an “alliance” fkn work for it … don’t expect it! Australia is far more “independent” than your lot realise!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But I don’t believe we’re travelling as well as we should be

    Anyone, and usually it is has said that as long as I’ve been old enough to have to pay bills and support a fkn family!

    I’ll add that we’ve escalated from having no debt to having considerable debt in a few years.

    Why do rightwhingers always forget the GFC … and blame the bloodt ALP for it! FMD! Turnbull (y’know the comercial banking genious “forgot” last nigh on Q&A … ingrained hypocrisy.

    It’s a bad trend, and with an economy that is more likely to struggle than succeed,

    WTF! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! You should get out more, sunshine ….

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If there’s anything we should be moaning about its how we continue to pay to dollar for imported goods when the Aussie dollar is do strong.

    Ma-a-a–ate, are you becoming “native” … how you speak Engwish to Nashnels?

    But I do agree with your post – absolutely …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just got a phone call – our new car delivered on Friday ….

    … anyone want a 2000 TH V6 LImited Edition 3.5 V6 second owner, Magna Wagon, (logbooks and maintenance records available) for $4500 let – the Blogmasta know … I hope you don’y mind, sreb, but we have loved our Magna for 12 years … and it’s a gud’ un … 146,800 kl on the clock … colour – Riversand (metallic bronze)

    =======================================

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2012 8:08 pm

    Yet again we (allegedly) have another convicted offender/murderer reoffending and (apparently) murdering a young, vulnerable woman.

    Consider the (alleged) murder of Jill Meagher by a convicted rapist. Peter Dupas, who butchered a young woman by her grandmother’s grave, which was the final murder in a spree, he had a long list of convictions for violence against women.

    Then there were the 2 sisters from the country, murdered in their flat by a felon with convictions for rape and violence against women.

    Safety from these c**ts needs to be a high government priority.

    The best answer is to require anyone convicted of violence against women or children, to be required to wear a tracking device for 10 years after their release, with strict curfew conditions.

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2012 10:00 pm

    The best answer is to require … is for anyone who sets them free to be equally responsible for their actions … ’tis the “goody two shoes” who need curbing!

    Oh … and they should be tracked … what about my idea of injecting them with a “colour”? Serious crims with a flouro so they would be seen at night!

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2012 10:08 pm

    I see Click Frenzy turned out like an Opposition “policy” … lotsa bells and whistles, a great deal of support from some of the biggest Robber Barons in the country … and it was big … flop! LOL!

    After ten minutes? I thought Davy Jones’ mob had lost the plot …

    Maybe we need to boost our broadband ability for the next attempt … oh, wait! 😆

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2012 10:22 pm

    Hi TB, I’m inclined towards castration too…and yes those who release them or impose inadequate sentences should be held accountable.

    How is it possible for anyone to murder a woman, serve their time, then get out and murder a young woman again?

    The “justice” system is putting the public at risk.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2012 10:32 pm

    The “justice” system is putting the public at risk.

    I’d suggest hanging them the second time (at least) along with the parole board … it is costly though – wages in particular – (but I am still reading The Game of Thrones books and that probably colours my thinking at the moment – 😛 ) …

    … the Chinese have a quaint (but effective) way of dealing with these “types” of crim … a .22 in the back of the head … and an invoice sent to the family for the round … simple and cost effective … works for me …

  178. Toot Toot Boot Boot Root Root Poop Poop permalink
    November 20, 2012 10:48 pm

    “REMEMBER THIS, Sparta, the GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS (GFC) was simply the American Commercial banks playing Robber Barons … ”

    What utter Crap !

    • Greece: Greek banks borrowed year after year after year in Euros from Greeks and Other nations in Europe and then elsewhere to purchase Greek government bonds to enable the Greek government to allow it to pay pensions to 50 year old Greeks. Even the Greeks are blaming the Germans. I don’t see any chants from the Left of “USA USA who is paying our pension today”
    • Spain: Spanish banks borrowed year after year after year from others to finance an internal property boom.
    • France : French government expenditure as a percentage of GDP has been near or over 50% of GDP for many many many years . For France spending today to sort out tomorrow has hit a snag. Tomorrow has come and it wants its money today.
    • UK . The original post war welfare /bludge state has finally been introduced to its End Game.

    The USA will sort out its Fiscal problem . It will first stabilise its debt by an agreement by 12/31/12 then it will work to pay it down by cuts and printing presses.

    The USA created its own problems . Don’t blame it for all of those of others. The USA is addressing its problems.

    The EU and the UK are just full of cultures that think they are owed a living.

    Well guess what the rest of us no longer wish to lend to the chronically lazy.

    You can protest all you want . It won’t incline us to lend anymore to your family of bludgers

  179. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 20, 2012 11:20 pm

    “Only trouble with you argument sparta is that it is not the families who have been overspending and reckless, it is the financiers, the banks, that is what the the austerity was addressing the failure of the financial system, same as in the US.”

    Kitty, this just simply isn’t true…Yes, the banks and Wall Street got busy, that is what they do; always have and always will, that’s why it is up to our “regulators aka SEC here” to keep an eye on them. They did NOTHING and actually perpetuated the problem via different mechanisms! Let’s not act like the average buyer was not complicit in this…Taking out a mortgage with no proof of income or running up credit card accounts with plasma TV’s, cars etc is no better…Had there been no individual homebuyer getting into houses they couldn’t afford there would have been NO GFC! The banks dangled loans in front of them and they took them. Fine, call the bankers evil but what does that make the homebuyer? I love how we give such omniscience to the Wall Street crew and treat the average buyer like imbeciles…

    “ The high flyers haven’t had to make any sacrifices have they? They get bailed out and continue on as they did previously.”

    I agree, it was utter bullshit but the alternative was a major meltdown however I sometimes question if that would have been such a bad thing…I feel on some level a “correction” was necessary. It was the last draw for me with the Republicans; I would expect as much from Democrats.

    “A good cleanout of the corruption and collusion that is the two party duopoly is necessary, get rid of the lot of them and start again.”

    Hilarious Kitty, you sound like a Tea Party person now….LOL. You will never get rid of corruption, it is ingrained in the human DNA…We can only accept it as part of the human element and act accordingly by deterring it with strong enforcement….The problem is not lack of laws or regulation, our ancestors have written plenty of those it is and always has been ENFORCEMENT of said laws and regulation which takes courage! Something most politicians lack….

  180. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 20, 2012 11:33 pm

    TB,

    Well, I see where you’re coming from but I would refer to Toot, toot (blah, blah, blah) who must find another screen name. I can agree with some parts of his/her statement but to really understand the problem you have to watch this documentary from PBS…One of the best and most comprehensive on it…I remember when Tim did a contest promoting some book and we all entered our opinion to be judged ect. John McPhil won and my theory was ignored…Ironically, my theory is laid out in this Documentary…It is long but interesting…If you guys get the chance, take a peek…

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/

    Simply put, greedy WallStreet and greedy citizens + Left & Right ideological pursuits + deregulation/lack of = GFC

  181. November 20, 2012 11:44 pm

    :it is ingrained in the human DNA … can only accept it as part of the human of element ”

    Says heaps re your ‘world view’/’view of human nature” or whatever. As though human behaviour is somehow free from sociological/historical forces. FGS, the way anyone ‘sees’ the world is never free from a particular historical location and the like.

    To suggest that ‘humans’ can’t choose to be ‘corrupt’ or not without looming or threatened penalities is simply ‘cynically’, in the most perjorative use of the term.

    If it’s in the DNA then surely ALL will be corrupt including thou.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 9:58 am

    .. greedy WallStreet and greedy citizens

    Is the prime cause, Sparta …

    Just reading the episode titles from Frontline will give you enough of a clue for the “real” reasons and, surprise, surprise, they are still “at it” … greed is NOT good!

    As for Goldman Sachs … take your pick …

    http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&cp=15&gs_id=1p&xhr=t&q=greece+goldman+sachs&pf=p&newwindow=1&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Greece+Gold+man&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=584b092946b3f909&bpcl=38897761&biw=1609&bih=888

    I actually predicted the USA “experts” would blame the EU for what they had caused …

    Take your pick …

    http://www.globalissues.org/article/768/global-financial-crisis

  183. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 21, 2012 10:38 am

    “If it’s in the DNA then surely ALL will be corrupt including thou”

    Well as much as I like to think I would rise above it who is to say…Given the right circumstances and environment any of us are susceptible in my opinion…Uncomfortable as it may seem….

  184. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 21, 2012 10:41 am

    TB,

    I can’t imagine anybody taking any critic serious that blames the GFC on the EU…Anyhow, if you have the time do check out the PBS summary…Very well done..

  185. el gordo permalink
    November 21, 2012 11:55 am

    ‘FOREIGN investors will be offered Spanish residency rights in an attempt to dispose of some 750,000 unsold properties abandoned since the 2008 market collapse.’

    Chinese and Russian buyers are highlighted.

  186. el gordo permalink
    November 21, 2012 12:10 pm

    Oi Oi Oi

    ‘Bus passengers ganged up on some French tourists, even threatening to kill them, on an Australian bus after they started singing a French song.

    ‘A shocked passenger caught the racist outburst as several people hurled verbal abuse at four French girls on a bus in Melbourne on Sunday at 10.30pm.

    ‘As they sung, a female passenger started chanting ‘Aussie, Aussie, Aussie’. Appearing to misunderstand the chants as playful, one of the French girls sings louder.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235817/Bus-passengers-gang-threaten-kill-French-tourists-Australian-bus-dont-speak-English.html#ixzz2Cob5Q6PB
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  187. November 21, 2012 12:19 pm

    “as much as I like to think I would rise above it”

    But you can’t can you? After all you believe it’s in your DNA.

    “any of us are susceptible”

    Possibly so, given our individual ‘history’ including the sociological forces that impact, then and now. Which all goes to ‘prove’ it’s not in our DNA because then there would be no doubt.

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 21, 2012 1:24 pm

    …We can only accept it as part of the human element…

    As part of some people’s human element, but we should never accept it as normal.

    …and act accordingly by deterring it with strong enforcement….

    Like getting bailed out? yeah, that’s real strong enforcement! Self regulation doesn’t work and the authorities don’t like to look at or fund investigation of white collar crime. The cops are all over the little people though, the ones who don’t get such advantage in life, like a student tasered to death for stealing a couple packets of cheap biscuits.

    To suggest that ‘humans’ can’t choose to be ‘corrupt’ or not without looming or threatened penalities is simply ‘cynically’, in the most perjorative use of the term.
    If it’s in the DNA then surely ALL will be corrupt including thou.

    I agree. To me, that DNA theory on humanity is simply another godbotherer worldview where everyone is viewed as being inherently flawed unless you choose to accept the skylord and his doctrines. The skylord also keeps people ‘good’ by threat of eternal punishment, not sure where he is when all this greed and corruption is going on.

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 21, 2012 1:32 pm

    Oi Oi Oi

    el gordo, what an awful story. This is how people have become since john howard made it OK to be proud and loud haters and racists.

    And tomM wonders why women are not safe from abduction and killing!

    I see the story comes from the uk press, has it had a run in australia?

  190. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 21, 2012 1:36 pm

    I blame John Howard for the crucifixion.

    In fact he’s basically responsible for every one of the World’s ills.

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 21, 2012 1:39 pm

    Fine, call the bankers evil but what does that make the homebuyer? I love how we give such omniscience to the Wall Street crew and treat the average buyer like imbeciles…

    Compared to the predatory greed and avarice of wall st, the average buyers are imbeciles, they are innocents, not even knowing what they don’t know.

  192. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 21, 2012 1:56 pm

    “This is how people have become since john howard made it OK to be proud and loud haters and racists. ”

    Yup

    “Two Wongs dont make a White”

    – Arthur Calwell (Former Leader of the Opposition Australian Labor Party 1960-1967)

  193. November 21, 2012 2:03 pm

    “Oi Oi Oi”

    The catchcry of ignorant, nationalist fuckheads. Perfectly illustrated as the narrow worldview that it is by the angry, uncomposed flagsturbators on that bus.

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 21, 2012 2:04 pm

    I blame John Howard for the crucifixion.
    In fact he’s basically responsible for every one of the World’s ills.

    It’s not all down to howard, both labor and liberal pander to the racists, but howard deliberately started a resurgence of racism with his ‘culture wars’ in 1996 upon taking office. Howard’s culture warriors are still out there megaphoning their master’s voice, the likes of bolt, jones, albrechtsen, akerman, most of the journo’s from the australian etc.

    Howard was disgusting the way he refused to condemn the people involved in racist attacks like the cronulla riots, the australia day thugs at the music festival, the gallipoli trashing, the attacks on migrant uni students. Howard openly demonised aboriginals, muslims and asylum seekers.

    Who is to blame for racism in Australia?

    The only thing stopping politicians from doing the ethically right thing for refugees is the fear of losing the votes of the rednecks.
    – Letter to The Age, 19 May 2011.

  195. November 21, 2012 2:11 pm

    I wonder precisely what it was about four females singing in French on a bus that triggered such ugly hatred from the jingowankers?
    I mean, seriously, are they so paranoid that when they hear another language, even in song, that they assume the words are about them?
    Or was it because their horizons are so narrow that they can’t abide the fact that a fairly large proportion of the global population speaks a language other than English?

    unfknblvbl

    IMO, that whole OI, OI, OI ! chant is lcd caveman chestbeating. Thickheaded morons.

  196. November 21, 2012 2:16 pm

    People aren’t born as nationalists. They get programmed that way when they take on board too much syrupy, exceptionalist jingo-babble.

    Noone gets to choose where they are born. It is a default. So preening about the virtues of ‘my country, oi! oi! oi!’ is devoid of sense. Confected tribalism.

  197. el gordo permalink
    November 21, 2012 3:22 pm

    ‘…has it had a run in australia?’

    Haven’t seen it in the Age, which is surprising considering they are so fair and balanced.

  198. el gordo permalink
    November 21, 2012 3:30 pm

    Ah…its only alcohol abuse. Ugly Australians like are not uncommon.

  199. November 21, 2012 3:50 pm

    Yeah, but not all drunk Australians are chestbeating, female threatening, flag loving, insular, ignorant nationalist fuckheads.

    Take me, for example.

    Yer can’t blame alcohol for an overarching thickheaded worldview. The ugliness is inherent long after the alcohol has dried up.

  200. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 21, 2012 3:57 pm

    “Or was it because their horizons are so narrow that they can’t abide the fact that a fairly large proportion of the global population speaks a language other than English?”

    Have you never been to Melbourne ?

  201. November 21, 2012 4:16 pm

    Touche! 😉 😆

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2012 4:43 pm

    Those people should be castrated.
    ——————————
    Incidentally, I’m trying to get a little momentum going on having felons convicted of violence against women wear tracking devices, and observe curfews. It’s a question of public safety rather than punishment.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 5:07 pm

    …. women wear tracking devices, and observe curfews …

    What a great idea, ToM … every home should have one, from the age of four …

    You could make ear-rings or necklaces … hair clips wouold work … brilliant!

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2012 5:21 pm

    Heavens TB, you are very technical. I just use a long lead.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 5:36 pm

    Lether or chain (chokers work very well … when your out) …

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 5:36 pm

    Fkn “leather” … dolt! 😛

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 5:40 pm

    Fkn “you’re” … fool! 🙄

    (Note – to self: Must improve editing techniques)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    hey, Ser Tee, Jon Snow, is about to be sent over the Wall, to assasinate, Mance Ryder … so many twists, turns and deaths its hard to keep up! (Or put down!)

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 6:04 pm

    Just arrived in my in-box

    I have a little Satnav
    It sits there in my car

    A Satnav is a driver’s friend
    It tells you where you are

    I have a little Satnav
    I’ve had it all my life
    It’s better than the normal ones
    My Satnav is my wife

    It gives me full instructions
    Especially how to drive
    “It’s thirty miles an hour”, it says
    “You’re doing thirty five”

    It tells me when to stop and start
    And when to use the brake
    And tells me that it’s never ever
    Safe to overtake

    It tells me when a light is red
    And when it goes to green
    It seems to know instinctively
    Just when to intervene

    It lists the vehicles just in front
    And all those to the rear
    And taking this into account
    It specifies my gear.

    I’m sure no other driver
    Has so helpful a device
    For when we leave and lock the car
    It still gives its advice

    It fills me up with counselling
    Each journey’s pretty fraught
    So why don’t I exchange it
    And get a quieter sort?

    Ah well, you see, it cleans the house,
    Makes sure I’m properly fed,
    It washes all my shirts and things
    And – keeps me warm in bed!

    Despite all these advantages
    And my tendency to scoff,
    I do wish that once in a while
    I could turn the damned thing off

    (A pox on your house if you tell, The Minister, I posted this!) 🙂

  209. el gordo permalink
    November 21, 2012 6:27 pm

    Very naughty and politically incorrect….

  210. November 21, 2012 6:42 pm

    Let me know, TB, when you’ve finished the final* book & I’ll post a link for you to the online community (too many spoilers otherwise).

    While I don’t consider myself a geek…& have never been considered to be one…I did go & buy limited edition steel replicas of Longclaw & Needle very early this year.

    The convoluted twists & turns of character debauchery & plot thickening are obsessive.

    So, can we discuss, The Red Wedding, yet?

    * with two more yet to be written.

  211. November 21, 2012 6:47 pm

    There are a couple of excellent versions of ‘The Bear & The Maiden Fair’ on Youtube…fan generated, the books have a cultlike following- long before HBO made it into a(n excellent) series…

    The Dornishman’s Wife is out there too.

    Don’t be afraid, it’s the opposite of death metal, in fact I was intrigued to have read the words so many times & then come across a realworld interpretation of the material.

  212. November 21, 2012 6:49 pm

    Haha…wrong link…

    Try this one…

  213. November 21, 2012 6:50 pm

    wtf?! just google it, maybe…

    My PC is fritzed, new one by Friday.

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 7:01 pm

    Yer cursed, Ser T, Ser T, Ser T ….

    I did go & buy limited edition steel replicas of Longclaw & Needle very early this year.

    Didn’t know you could do that! I like the idea of Ice (Ned’s) and Oathbreaker (Jaime’s made from Ice)

    +++

    Yep The Red Wedding is fine … Sansa is now with Littlefinger and he has married ?? Cat’s sister from the Eyrie and The Imp is in a black cell – so I don’t know his fate, yet ….

    The wildlings have just been attacked by Stannis and Jon Snow is … “bewildered” … Della is whelping as I type!

    Bloody hell it’s like a book club … and I dislike ’em with a vengeance!

  215. November 21, 2012 7:08 pm

    You can buy Ice from the same site…& The Hound’s helmet!

    Ice is a beast of a sword, particularly the Damascus steel version.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 7:11 pm

    Correction: Oathkeeper … bloody Lannisters and their lying!

  217. November 21, 2012 7:12 pm

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 7:26 pm

    Ice is a beast of a sword, particularly the Damascus steel version.

    Yeah, I saw fkn $700!!! worth! I like the look of the $20 letter opener!

    My $40k + Santa Fe will be ready for pick-up on Friday … no “spare” cash in this pensioner’s account!

    Exciting – ’cause its our second brand new car (my first was 44 years ago – a $1600, 360cc, two cylinder, Honda Scamp … we sold it seven years later for $100 …)

    Sad, for two reasons … our Mitsubishi Magna Wagon has served us well – for 12 years and is in A1 condition … could go on for another 12 years easily … but the Santa Fe will also be our last car … and I figured, The Minister, (and me) had earned a bit of comfort …

    … apologies if that sounds a bit maudlin … ’cause life is really good at the moment … we currently have number five g/son (nine yo) living with us for two weeks … mum and dad are off in Thailand, enjoying a well earned holiday after the Saudi project … (and we talked ’em out of taking the little bloke!)

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 7:26 pm

    Ser Tee – should I watch that?

  220. November 21, 2012 7:45 pm

    Yep, only goes for about 30 secs & is purely a graphical teaser!

    Here’s the one for S2…

    S3 comprises bits of A Clash of Kings & A Storm of Swords. I believe the Red Wedding features at the end of S3 HBO…this will, no doubt, fuck with the heads of non-readers! 😯

    Can’t fkn wait. Apparently they actually do sew Rob’s head onto Greywind in the series! Merciless storytelling…

  221. November 21, 2012 7:47 pm

    Enjoy the new vehicle btw, TB.

    I’ve never bought a brand newy, myself.

    Also, I worked in the automotive parts manufacturing industry for 18 months..so I’m a bit of a cynic.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 8:06 pm

    Also, I worked in the automotive parts manufacturing industry for 18 months..so I’m a bit of a cynic.

    LOL! I spent 16 YEARS in the industry – apprentice to zone service manager (36 dealerships) … I understand “cynic” … but this is a last “fling” with the best on the Oz market today!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That season two tickler seems to cover what I’ve been reading … amazingly!

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 8:41 pm

    More evidence that lotsa money doesn’t make you smart …

    http://www.news.com.au/business/executive-lounge/palmers-dinosaurs-bizarre-and-tacky/story-fng3e17m-1226521390465

  224. November 21, 2012 8:49 pm

    Can’t wait for his, Titanic, v1.2

    Ya have em all in Nunuland, dontcha!

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2012 9:29 pm

    “Ya have em all in Nunuland, dontcha!”

    Robber Barons at work! (eg Lannisters)

    Deep North … astounding that Fuckwits™ like this either try and destroy my state or help to elect people who actually DO destroy my state! (And country!) BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY!

    What’s more frightening is that they think they are doing me and mine GOOD … just like JBP … alleluja!

    Funny … I watched Q&A this week (rare cause it bothers me that I want to throw things at MY TV) … but Rudd and Turnbull (and the audience) reminded me so much of … Game of Thrones! It never ends!

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