A Midweek Rostrum!
Hello!
Good afternoon and welcome to a Midweek Rostrum. This week coming to you live from Penang!
Although to be honest I’ll be flying to Kuala Lumpor this afternoon.
The weather here is predictably hot.
I’ve made a couple of new friends while I have been here for the last week or so. Including one guy from the UK who has been living here for fourteen years.
I was asking him how he copes with the heat and the way of life here.
He replied that eventually you become accustomed to the heat and don’t really notice it so much after a while.
He also mentioned that it’s best to just ignore the local politics in Malaysia as it would be too upsetting if you scratched the surface.
“Oh, so it’s a lot like Australia then…?” I replied.
I see that Malaysia’s Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim has asked Bob Carr to help ensure that Malaysia’s forthcoming elections are free from corruption.
That’ll be nice.
Hope you are all well back home…
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Noce to see you settling in, sreb … if you acclimatise there … maybe you’ll enjoy visting Queensland (the “real” QLD) sometime in the future … I could arrange a
meetingprotest march against Noddy Newman’s lot or we could just go up to Mt Cootha Lookout and watch as Brisbane slowly crumbles back to 1970 … we could have lunch there at the restaurant but at $50 a sandwich you’ll have to pay!Bob Carr has some experience in the NSW ALP, so he has democratic principles to cater for all tastes.
A prominent ALP member in Bob Carr overseeing an election ?
• ICAC in Sydney investigating corruption in the last ALP NSW government and allegations of threats against witnesses.
•Michael Williamson ex ALP Federal President now charged with corruption.
• Allegations of corruption in relation to the PM and her time as a solicitor for the AWU and a bogus AWU body she set up questions in relation to which she refuses to answer.
• Victorian Police have finished investigation and are said to be laying charges against ex ALP member Craig Thomson for corruption.
Yes a member of the ALP overseeing electoral corruption seems like an inspired choice.
Following on from the racist slurs heard on a Melbourne tram….
‘Hurling abuse wasn’t the problem for Petra Mills. But a court ruled that calling her New Zealand neighbour an Australian was racist and against the law.
‘Czech-born Mills, 31, has been found guilty of racially aggravated public disorder after a rant at her New Zealand-born neighbour in Macclesfield, south of Manchester.
She was trying to be offensive. I was really insulted.
‘Chelsea O’Reilly, who has dual British and New Zealand citizenship, said: “She called me a stupid fat Australian b****. Because of my accent there can be some confusion over my nationality. She knew I was from New Zealand.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/dont-call-me-an-australian-women-guilty-of-racism-over-verbal-attack-on-kiwi-neighbour-20121122-29r2z.html#ixzz2CtRVYWBS
Government Malaise
1. Punishment of the Innocent
In its latest act of outrageous hypocrisy the government has introduced restrictions on asylum seekers that are more draconian than the temporary protection visas they so despised.
Genuine asylum seekers will be released from detention without the right to work, they’ll be forced to exist on minimal welfare benefits for 5 years – punishment for being found to be genuine refugees.
This government just gets more inhumane at every opportunity.
2. Gillard’s Bagman is Back.
Some wizened old fellow, a friend of the Prime Minister has returned to Australia to provide evidence to the police about the misappropriation from a slush fund that Gillard established for her fraudulent boyfriend.
It’s interesting to see all this dismissed as a “smear”, when no one knows exactly what this former junior hack has to say.
However, scrutiny is appropriate, and maybe Gillard will tell the full story.
The End Game is finally upon us with Blewitt back in the country.
Did anyone else notice that journalist ex 2UE (sacked) commentator Michael Smith was lurking in the background of the TV coverage of Blewitt at the airport ?
Blewitt is likely to perhaps not give credible evidence ( after all it will be tainted by granting immunity) but I’d say he’s likely to give new direction (fill in some gaps) to the entire matter which will enable Julie Bishop to really hammer Gillard in the Parliament next week about giving a full statement to Parliament.
Gillard is not safely through to Christmas yet.
Not by a long shot
Blewitt, is such a reputable character, who is paying for his trip and expenses? I guess anyone who crawls out from under a rock and then spills his guts to avoid arrest and remain in the country, will be good enough for some who really really really want to believe him and can’t stand to have gillard as the PM.
http://www.vexnews.com/2012/11/ralph-blows-it-pms-accuser-admits-using-balinese-sex-workers/#comment-82085
…Kernohan has had a genuine beef about what Wilson did. Fair enough. Blaming his girlfriend at the time for it has always seemed an unreasonable stretch to me and I doubt anyone would have even thought of such an outrageous idea unless that then girlfriend became the Prime Minister of Australia. No-one disputes that’s why this is arising now. It’s all as limp as Ralph Blewitt before he reaches for his little blue pills…
Since tomM’s in the mood, 25th Oct, White Ribbon Day
http://www.whiteribbon.org.au/heymate
I swear
never to commit, excuse
or remain silent about
violence against women
this is my oath
Genuine asylum seekers will be released from detention without the right to work, they’ll be forced to exist on minimal welfare benefits for 5 years – punishment for being found to be genuine refugees.
This government just gets more inhumane at every opportunity.
Just amazes me, genuine asylum seekers and they are not allowed to support themselves through working or contribute to the country that accepts them.
Seems we will do anything but the right thing on this issue – all because of the fearful redneck voters who demand their right to be white and superior to all others.
Vexnews is pro Gillard?
‘…all because of the fearful redneck voters who demand their right to be white and superior to all others.’
That’s a broad brush Kitty.
If they can’t work or receive government support, then they will probably turn to crime.
So tired of the gillard/blewitt crap.
Gillard is not safely through to Christmas yet.
Not by a long shot
Not as long as the liberal party, their media megaphones, chauvinistic supporters demand this be the nation’s headline news each and every day. Not as long as millions of miner’s dollars pour into the liberal party coffers to fund the whole tawdry exercise [business as usual for the lib/nats]. Who needs policy or to offer a genuine alternative choice to voters when you can smear your opponent and gain office, it’s so much easier and the preferred method of operations for conservatives.
If they can’t work or receive government support, then they will probably turn to crime.
Nice stereotyping el gordo, which just proves my point on bigoted australian attitudes to asylum seekers, migrants, the poor and welfare recipients in general.
The policy on asylum seekers is a disgrace. It entirely turns on its head every single criticism made of Howard.
The deterrence issue is just a convenient excuse to be a redneck, it has nothing to do with this.
These people are genuine refugees FFS, yet we want to starve them, when they have no where else to go.
They won’t turn to crime, they’re more likely to turn to suicide, and that will be on the head of the people who implement this policy.
Police surveillence? just how far do they need to go and why can’t they just let people who are not committing crimes be?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/21/met-police-spies-women-undercover
The policy on asylum seekers is a disgrace. It entirely turns on its head every single criticism made of Howard.
Why? All the wrongs still don’t make howard and the libs right until they stop vilifying and demonising asylum seekers for their own political gain.
Is the liberal party speaking out against it? Have they got a humane policy alternative where AS’s are not locked up, are processed in australia, permanent protection visas, not turning boats back, the AFP not actively sabotaging them and allowing family reunion?
I’m not advocating the Liberals policy. Their policy is abhorrent to me.
But the point should be made – those who were persuaded to vote ALP because they thought they were getting a more humane policy, can no understand that they were duped.
Those who advocated that others vote ALP because Howard’s policy was more draconian, can now put up with being bullsh*t artists.
Those who advocated that others vote ALP because Howard’s policy was more draconian, can now put up with being bullsh*t artists.
Oh BS yourself tomm, even you can’t possibly project on to labor supporters federal court decisions and the ever changing policies of the government.
Now they are meant to have crystal balls and know what the future holds before the actual events occur?
Simply unbelievable the trickiness and misrepresenting that you display and the extent that you will stoop to in vilifying your own political opponents!
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There’s now barely a difference in Labor and the Coalition’s asylum seeker policies, writes Phillip Coorey http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/boats-policy-comes-full-circle-20121122-29rgo.html …
[coorey]…It was 14 months ago that then Immigration Department secretary Andrew Metcalfe sounded a warning about relying on the Pacific Solution to once more stop the boats.
Metcalfe was an architect of the policy that John Howard implemented in response to the MV Tampa episode of 2001.
It was one of a suite of polices Labor unravelled when it came into government five years ago, leading to the situation today.
In September last year, after the High Court had put the sword to the Malaysia plan, Metcalfe argued strongly that Parliament needed to legislate to circumvent the court decision and implement the plan…
…The bridging visas are similar to the temporary protection visas the opposition insists must be brought back.
In short, there is barely a difference now between Labor and Coalition policy…
…The opposition continues to insist that only it can stop the boats, but it has little more to offer than the polices Labor has been dragged kicking and screaming to re-implement.
It maintains that temporary protection visas and turning back boats where possible will stop the problem, but these would be incremental changes at best to the current policy positions. Metcalfe said TPVs would no longer work.
The bridging visas Labor announced yesterday are hardly likely to deter someone living in Doomsville, Afghanistan.
At least they offer a meagre welfare payment and, eventually, permanent residence in Australia after a five-year wait.
Turning back the boats remains as impractical now as it was when Howard stopped doing it…
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What? Now it’s the fault of the Federal Court? How’s than?
The fact is that the ALP made political capital out of their more humanitarian approach, now they’ve had half a dozen policies – all more punishing than the previous one.
Does anyone still say – sending 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia is a good policy?
The ALP government is a genuine joke, but not a funny one.
So young, so extreme hard right, the poor don’t deserve a childhood:
Young Libs push even younger child labour laws
One of Cory Bernardi’s Tea Party-style websites, Menzies House, has started promoting child labour as the panacea to Australian welfare dependency. Dan Gulberry from Daily Derp reports.
Nice stereotyping el gordo….
Then the bleeding hearts will have to put a hat around to support them, otherwise they will starve.
I’ll look at the links later. Are they supporting ‘child labour’ or just the ability of school kids to earn some money by working in a shop after school?
I think the part time after school work restriction has been bizarre.
To guard against exploitation and introduction of split shifts all that is required is a letter from the school advising that the child is a full time student.
http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2012/11/-repealing-the-child-labor-laws-work-will-set-you-free.html
The Tony Abbott I know, will always have
toughened his rhetoric against asylum seekers
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-called-on-illegal-slur-20121121-29qa8.html
The basic assumptions are wrong SYK … children are never “trapped” in schools … and knowledge has never “entrenched poverty” …
… “earning money” to reach “a better tomorrow” is a childish notion at best … certainly not based upon historical knowledge and data for centuries … even my own grandchildren quote, “give a fish to a family and they eat for a night, help them learn to fish and they will have food for life …”
… and I know many adults who have returned to school to enhance their own knowledge and incomes … statistically, in Australia, people with a higher education (ie degree or above) will earn more in a lifetime than those with lower education/qualifications …
If a poor child were able to work from the age of 8 to 16 years old, they would accumulate enough money to take a family out of poverty
Pure nonsense! It simply creates an automaton that can be used as factory and cannon fodder by Governments and Robber Barons …
it engenders a work ethic that has the potential to transform them into productive members of the workforce who contribute to society as opposed to the social outcasts they would have been had they remained at school
What balderdash …
Work ethics are developed in the home” … not at school nor at work … and who assumes that educated adults become “social outcasts” …
What’s more, the nurturing of the work ethic among the young poor can help nurture the leadership qualities in them necessary to be the entrepreneurs of the future which is so vital in today’s innovation economy.
Laughable …
The young (21) entreprenour who lives next door, decided he need to go to university because he needed more maths knowledge to improve his business …
The basic foundations of this article are couched in the rhetoric of 17th England … nine year old miners and chimney sweeps …
Julia’s about to lose her job
Rudd knows it, Shorten knows it, and Conroy knows it.
Her problem is going to revolve around the Power of Attorney granted by Ralph Blewitt to Bruce Wilson and supposedly “witnessed” by her which she refuses to answer questions about.
She’s going to need to prove that Blewitt was in Melbourne when she “witnessed” it when it is likely that he will be able to prove he was in Perth looking after the “territory” carved out by him and Wilson.
A solicitor creating a false instrument is a professional and political death sentence
This is really is a pressure cooker about to blow asunder.
Even the ABC is going at it now
Under the Convention they are refugees, but my business partner spoke to a woman who worked at Xmas Island and she suggested there is a strong ‘criminal element’ amongst them.
Just the sort of people you need to release into the community. Policy on the run is sowing the seeds of racial disharmony down the track.
And looking in that direction, The Ord Concentration Camp is looking sweeter by the minute, the Chinese are growing sugar.
It seems no one on the Left gives a flying F about porous borders any longer
That young individual is bizarre, the notion of an 8 year old working to get themselves out of poverty, and justifying this on the basis of entrepreneurs starting early is just dishonest, or stupid, or just bullsh*t.
Fine – allow them to work for a couple of hours in the hardware shop after school when they’re 13 or 14, but the not actually “working”.
Dumb, embarrassing, stupid. Where do these types come from?
And where exactly are these children who are in such poverty stricken families that they have to work at the age of 8 to provide support?
The only people who live in 3rd worlds like conditions are indigenous people in remote areas, and I doubt whether there’s much that demands the skills of an 8 year old in those parts.
There’s not much work for adults either.
It’s a stupid, pointless narrative from a stupid puffed up stupid individual who’s probably not seen much in the way of “work”
Dumb, embarrassing, stupid. Where do these types come from?
Did you read the full “article”, ToM and the reference to Work Sets You Free, FMD! And who’s face is plastered alongside Andrew Bolt.
You want to read the comments too … I didn’t read them until after my post … they mention chimney sweeps and 18th Century too! 😆
Really stupid post … and some are “defending” it as “satire” …
You don’t suppose, James Farnham, wrote it, do you?
If you’re gonna do sock puppets at least make ’em interesting and use an acrostic approach (as in poems) — ie Person In Silly Stupid Ending Day …
Yes TB.
Did I mention that the author of the article was stupid?
Er, sure, ToM … 🙄
” … they’re more likely to turn to suicide …”
Yep! It’s what happens when people have no jobs/work. Marx explained it in terms of the inability to externalise oneself. It’s why Rudd et al ought to be congratulated for keeping us out of recession. You may have noticed that Australia’s suicide rates haven’t risen in recent times unlike those in the US. But you only find what you are looking for.
The evidence is clear that suicide rates rise with unemployment rates. Nice that you now see the connection. The scales seem to have fallen. Or maybe not? Perhaps a slow learn… Or perhaps blinded by an ideological mist that comes and goes depending on the issue.
And it’s also why Gillard and Bowen ought to be castigated for not taking a moral stance and simply following Abbott down a populus path. Where is the leadership? Why wasn’t Metcalef’s advice listened to?
Not sure I’m qualified….
Not sure I’m qualified….
You owe me a new keyboard, egg! Mine’s full of coffee! And a cup of coffee … it was good coffee!
I’m honoured.
I missed 7.30 Report – they apparently had something about Gillard and examples of “questions to answer”.
The Age is also hopping into her, suggesting that she mislead her employer. That’s a habit that seems to be in her DNA.
She remains in strife over this, which is well deserved in my view.
Political Sewerage seems to be a genius. The PoA not in play yet but he was right to say
Julia has been caught out lying yet again.
It’s not a matter of who said what when it’s not about opinions it’s now about DATED DOCUMENTS
She’s finished
LEIGH SALES: ‘What do you believe is the significance of the facts compared to the statements that Julia Gillard made in the interview?’
NICK STYANT-BROWNE: ‘Well, it’s a matter for others to make judgments about the credibility of Ms Gillard’s statements. What I can say is this: that there is absolutely no doubt that Ms Gillard not only knew of the Slater & Gordon mortgage in March of 1993, but was specifically involved in taking steps to facilitate that mortgage. Now, that’s a matter of documents; it’s not a matter of assertion or hearsay. Now, you then have a situation where two and a half years later in September of 1995 Ms Gillard is asserting that the first she heard it was a Slater & Gordon mortgage was in August of 1995. Now, it’s up to others to make the judgment about her credibility.’
Yom your view(s) keeps changing. Once upon a time, keeping people employed had no bearing on suicide rates. Now it does.
And the explanation of this changed view of the world is?
As for Gillard being ‘finished’. That predication keeps on and on and on. No doubt that fanciiful speculation eventually prove to be true.
ALL politicians have a use by date. I find it strange that all the local pundits haven’t noticed that. I recall that Gillard was supposedly gone’ days weeks, months and years ago.
Grasp your day job with both hands. No doubt, ‘taking yourself in hand’ is the norm, given the historical evidence.
Really? I don’t recall that discussion with you.
I recall that Gillard was supposedly gone’ days weeks, months and years ago.
Years? she’s only been in for 2.
I can assure you I am not Tom
Besides it would be 3DT Shock Jock
So now we end up with boat people on 220 per week and not allowed to work and let loose on our cities.
If that’s not a sign out policy out of control I don’t know what is.
Good luck with your next cab ride
Yom, can you please deal with ideas or concepts and the leave the personalities out of it. Or this beyond your modus operandi?
As for
:
Yes. Well spotted. .That’s why one uses a plural. You know a plual indicates ‘more than one. Have you an alternative?
I note also (again) that the main point of suicide rates being related to unemployment rates is ignored. No wonder the union movement gave you the push. Not up to their intellectual tasks..
No, lunlike Gillard, I don’t redefine the language.
But at what stage prior to November 2010 was Gillard gone?
…and mandatory detention has proven to be inimical to good health, leaving people capable of working without the right to seek employment is hardly beneficial to physical or mental wellbeing.
Which is the policy framework you support
“No wonder the union movement gave you the push. Not up to their intellectual tasks..”
One who rushes to the insult would seem to be the one actually grasping for the intellect angle.
Quite Pathetic !
Yom I think you have lost the plot completely. Now you can’t respond to any reasonable questions.
As for the ‘policy framework’ I support? Really. Desperate to change the subject. And miss the intellectual point.
Yom did you go to school with scaper?
2DT Shock Jock, I bow to your insight. And your intellectual credentials are?
Nothing to see her. Cleary a TAFE graduate. Almost!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/long-term-visas-are-a-bridge-too-far-states/story-fn9hm1gu-1226522337566
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/forced-returns-of-sham-refugees-as-sri-lankans-deported/story-fn9hm1gu-1226522377530
Does anybody bother to notice that Labor is using the same playbook as the liberal Democrats here in the US? It is simply this, import as many poor and welfare dependent NON-WHITE people as necessary to change the demographics and ultimately the vote….They are looking for a completely dependent electorate and hence will enact policies as such that can bring about such changes…Wake up Australia…Immigration is good but this smacks of something else entirely as we in American have come to find out!
http://www.examiner.com/article/demographics-is-destiny-really
I often had to listen to blow hearts like “Adrian” who refused to acknowledge the obvious and rather label me racist or nonsensical for tying in immigration (legal and illegal) with the refugee programs, demographics etc…So amusing to hear the silence from that group now…
It is simply this, import as many poor and welfare dependent NON-WHITE people as necessary to change the demographics and ultimately the vote….
You don’t suppose its ’cause the good ‘ole USofA tends to invade countries that have people with non white faces … and did you know that non-whites in the good ‘ole USofA vote both Dems and Reps … and did you know that your post in my country is considered racist, bigoted and ill informed … a trend that the Liberals here seem to have been regurgitating from the Republican Handbook of Smear for the last few years … maybe that is one book that should be burnt …
Deary me … just read your second post, Sparta, that really is bordering on racist paranoia and real Redneck ranting … rifles and burning crosses are still a favourite in Arizona then …
BTW … Adrian is far from being a “blow hard” (’tis not “heart”) … it amuses me when people who ARE, blame people who aren’t … (eg the liar calling the honest person a liar …)
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Seen on a local church nitice board – “Get in touch with God – use Faith Book” … now that’s clever …
TB,
Is that it, really? How pathetic…”I am rubber, your glue anything you say bounces off of me and sticks onto you”…LMAO…Hopefully your just a teenage poster, then it might explain your ignorance and imbecility otherwise, brother…LOL
It is simply this,
importcreate as many poor and welfare dependentNON-WHITEpeople as necessary to change thedemographicseconomics and ultimately thevoteminimum wageThe play-book both sides are currently using.
Rich getting massively richer,
Poor getting much poorer.
Mmmm … someone upset, Sparta … fancy telling him he’s wrong …
BTW, Sparta, I can prove that wars caused by the USA create refugees in my country … refugees with a different skin colour to mine and, I strongly suspect, yours …
… many of the refugees I refer too, are voting, contributing members of our society … most are small business owners and vote both right and left of politics …
… accusing me of being a “teenager” does nothing for your argument … it is 2012 not 1912 … we live on a global stage – primarily created by your nation … emulating nations of Europe of the 16th to 19th Centuries … very badly actually …
THE United Nations High Commissioner for refugees has sharply criticised the government’s decision to refuse to allow refugees on its new bridging visas to work, saying it breaches their rights under the international convention.
The UNHCR said people found to be refugees should be given basic human rights and rights to which the UN refugee convention entitled them — ”including family reunion, work and freedom of movement”.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/un-slams-refugee-work-move-on-human-rights-20121123-29yyg.html#ixzz2D3088v4f
“it is 2012 not 1912 … we live on a global stage – primarily created by your nation … emulating nations of Europe of the 16th to 19th Centuries … very badly actually …”
Spray coffee over keyboard
Vomit
Perhaps just Guffaw would suffice
Amusement always around here
“primarily created by your nation”
Will you get over it already TB…Look, I get it, you have real disdain for American policy fine but do you really know what it is your upset about, honestly? I will never understand why my country catches so much flack when one only has to look to history to see we are a blip! You and your buddy Adrian are obsessed with the last 50 years and the politics of…You had Britain conquer the globe and give birth to both of our nations through conquest etc, a country your country still pays homage to by the way (what does that make you enlightened one, oh yes, guilt ridden as you lay by the beach and grieve for the world). Before Britain it was the Ottoman Empire, Persians, Greeks, Romans blah, blah…Get a fucking education and perhaps you may actually get some perspective.
Now back to reality, in the case I was making; what does America and our policies have to do with the charge that economic migrants from Sri Lanka or anywhere else are being used as pawns by Labor in Australia to change demographics and eventually the vote? I am sorry you find the reference “non-white” racist but in the world I live in, it is common terminology which confronts me when I apply for a job, enroll in college, medical school etc…Get use to it, it is what happens when a country stops judging by the “content of one’s character” and starts using “the color of their skin” to change through mandate what can’t be done on its own. Australia, for all its uniqueness tends to parody our politics here and the party tactics as you know (Julia and Obama are quite close as was Howard and GW)…There is a desire to “change the demographics” in Australia too and Labor is trying to do so by using the curtain of “humanity”, UN treaties that have no authority and shutting down debate with crap like “racism, bigot” etc when they are challenged…You are no different…Either complicit or just ignorant…Probably both…Angry, no but unlike yourself, informed and not oblivious to history…Myopic visionary. humanitarian extraordinaire….
Tom of Melbourne,
I can appreciate the UN’s position here but their policies are hypocritical…How many times have you heard them lambaste or address “Refugees” and their apparent country shopping or poor being able to come up with 14,000.00 US for transport? The UN is just a mouthpiece for the developing world and their only strategy is to export poverty and dysfunction to the West in some moronic view that it will change the conditions from which these people flee all the while sending food which increases the birth rate and just keeps this insane cycle going…If countries had any care in the world about their own citizens they would remove themselves from the dictates of the idiotic…It all stems from the same world view that many here cling to despite evidence and history..Imperialism is to blame…Had it not been for that these respective countries and their leaders would have evolved…Utter garbage…
And who took a huge part in redrawing the borders after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire after WWI ?
That would be one Winston Churchill.
And where was he from ?
And what wars are USA and Oz plus many others now in.?
Yep wars over territory basically
Snowy white Poms and Satanic yanks
Yeah right
“And who took a huge part in redrawing the borders after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire after WWI ?”
Very true but why do you think the modern worldview of the “Left” is seen only through the lens of Western dominance as an explanation for certain cultures or countries inability to modernize or improve? We have had held dominance for how long? The Ottoman Empire shaped their respective region for 600 years…I simply think it ridiculous to discount such history in trying to theorize the shortcomings of others…Blaming the West is simply laughable and by doing so disregards much. It is also a form of Western chauvinism that one can lay blame on the West as if said cultures or peoples influenced by it are just to stupid to know what is good for them or able to decide their own fate…Ironically it is this type of mindset that some here like TB perpetuate while purportedly condemning it and speak in the name of the “idiotic”…As if they need such pity…
Does anyone seriously still believe that if we’d sent 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia earlier this year, our refugee “problem” would be over?
Such is the stupidity of this government*
*…and the opposition.
“If it’s right for young Australians to do work for the dole, it’s all the more important to have people who have come uninvited to this country pulling their weight,” Tony Abbott said.
You had Britain conquer the globe and give birth to both of our nations through conquest etc, a country your country still pays homage to by the way (what does that make you enlightened one, oh yes, guilt ridden as you lay by the beach and grieve for the world). Before Britain it was the Ottoman Empire, Persians, Greeks, Romans blah, blah…Get a fucking education and perhaps you may actually get some perspective.
1. I didn’t have anyone conquer anyone … I disbelieve in invading someone elses country … to do them a favour.
2. My country may pay homage to The Firm in Buckingham Palace but I never have and never will.
3. Justifying the American Empire building because others have “always done it” is a pathetic redneck argument …
4. As for education, your posts indicate a little knowledge is dangerous – it was your first post that said … import as many poor and welfare dependent NON-WHITE people as necessary to change the demographics and ultimately the vote …. the ignorance in that sentence alone, shows a lack of morals, intelligence and if you have any education a limited understanding to say the least of the subject under discussion … being “non-white” doesn’t make you unintelligent or indeed uneducated, as your first post implies … being non-white may have an influence on your education level … having lived in a third world country for 12 months I can assure that educated bigots abound in all shades of skin colour …
… and as for perspective … I have a limited personal perspective on the USA’s ability to wage war — in 1967 – I was 20 … you’re so smart go figure.
And reading your racist twaddle – it’s no wonder you have difficulty attempting to browbeat, Adrian, one of the most articulate political posters I know.
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Really enjoying my new Hyundai Santa Fe … the manual is 50mm thick …!
“I didn’t have anyone conquer anyone … I disbelieve in invading someone elses country … to do them a favour”
Nope, you just enjoy the spoils…Oh the guilt…
“My country may pay homage to The Firm in Buckingham Palace but I never have and never will.”
If you live in said country and enjoy the benefits of you are paying homage or worse, a hypocrite…Anybody can mock from the comfort of the West, it is protected speech. You have a right even to hate or disdain your own history and leaders simply because of the institutions and history that has delivered you here…Mock away…
“Justifying the American Empire building because others have “always done it” is a pathetic redneck argument …”
Well I don’t buy into the concept of American Empire; that is the “lefts” view of the world (Chomskyite) formulated over the last 40 years or so as I mentioned…History in a vacuum.
“import as many poor and welfare dependent NON-WHITE people as necessary to change the demographics and ultimately the vote”
Dear lord, must you quibble over words…I love being called racist, my future wife (who is not WHITE) finds it amusing as well old chum but she is educated and understands my puns…The point being, it is another “leftwing” tenant that not only is Western imperialism to blame for the worlds ills but the WHITE POWER structure as well…Hence, the need to bring in anything but and change it from within. This is a flawed concept though, it is has nothing to do with “color” and everything to do with “culture”. It is absurdity as you have demonstrated this need to predicate every last comment with a defense…I will have nothing of it…Fine, I will fess up to something, I am a culturalist and do believe in the idea that some cultures are simply more advanced than others. Not popular to say but the evidence abounds.
As for your love of anything Adrian “articulate” you say…Perhaps, but most of the best blow hearts are…We have a whole mess of them here, its’ called Congress….Doesn’t mean they really know what they are talking about and he is no different; ever wonder why so many politicians are lawyers? Do you think it rule of law or their training that makes them good “car salesman”? But they always seem to get enough “morons” to vote for them no matter how incompetent.
“having lived in a third world country for 12 months I can assure that educated bigots abound in all shades of skin colour”
Great, as have I on more than one continent…Common ground…lol
“And reading your racist twaddle – it’s no wonder you have difficulty attempting to browbeat, Adrian”
Oh dear, there you go again…Well, browbeat no but I did enjoy dismantling his world view on many occasions…Adrian loves the echo chamber and especially fawning by the likes of some but I must admit I do miss his “theories”, very entertaining…. Oh have you ever heard the statement “cultures are not equal, people are”… Ayaan Hirsi ring a bell? Calm down, she is NOT WHITE but clearly “racist”…LOL
The Teabag nonsense copy and paste from the republican talking-point hand-book is just gibberish. Do some proof-reading before you click the button to post. Don’t they teach you how to write a coherent paragraph of text at Teabag School.
What a strange twisted post, Sparta, … and view of the world … I’m supposed to grateful to the British Empire FFS …
So this sentence …
… “import as many poor and welfare dependent NON-WHITE people as necessary to change the demographics and ultimately the vote” …
… Is now a joke … that I was supposed to “get” FMD! Talk about wigglin’ ‘n’ wrigglin’ …
You do think that non-whites will vote for the left … your assumption being that they will vote for welfare … not work … astoundingly simplistic view of the world … do you have any idea where Australia actually IS?
A little knowledge is obviously dangerous … as for “education” … it’s the detail that always let’s folk down … the term is blow-hard (for the second time) and its “leftwing” tenet … not “leftwing” tenant … as you wrote …
The misuse of context, phrases and phrasing demonstrates that someone has “misheard” or “misunderstood” someone using the terms and is simply repeating them not knowing their true meaning …
And FYI … I’ve lived in three countries during my lifetime and worked in four … including yours …
I see you didn’t bother with the political/military history problem I left you …
Our racist american friend doesn’t want Mexicans as neighbors, just as border crossing, under minimum-wage slaves. They are alright to pick oranges and then go back home, but not loiter about disrupting the bed-sheet wearers meetings and pilgrimage to Vidor.
” do you have any idea where Australia actually IS? “
Canadians Do …. and they all think it’s the planets finest location.
Canadians Do
You obviously haven’t read any of the Farnham Bear’s rantings … or conveniently forgotten them …
…. however, I do recall a couple of Canadians in Atlanta who had come down for one of my training courses … guffawing at some of my “off the cuff” remarks and then having to explain why they were laughing and giggling … in fact every Canuck I’ve met seems to have the same sense of humour and outlook on the world (and Yanks) as Aussies do …
DISCLAIMER … my working visit to the USA was wonderful … and so were the people I met … in fact I have half a twenty dollar note in my study … the other half is with the newspaper director who tore it in two and said it was my “shout” when I came back … he paid for the last round (I’d been invited to have a drink with him and his colleagues over the last four nights) …
Ironically we have a Yanqui dictionary, I see … humor … yep … Septic Tank … 😆
Dear god…It is much like trying to keep the attention of a child…Is it really wise to start correcting each other’s grammar on a flipping blog? I don’t proof read, not looking for a winning paper dude. Nobody here is beyond reproach I am afraid. I don’t need to point out your numerous mistakes to include your first post here either. It is still evident you are having difficulty following…I do apologize though, I was under the impression you had more to give then throwing accusations of “racism” out there to stymie discussion…
In regards to your blather on about “war”…It really depends on what you see as the problem…You like many of your ilk are fine to sit around, bitch, complain about the “inhumanity” of the world and do NOTHING…Call for more UN sanctions (that never work) or try to find every grievance possible. So when we do go in to stop the bleeding and the unfortunate happens like death of civilians you bemoan the war and complain of all the innocents that died but really, you don’t care…In surgery we realize there will be blood loss, sometimes lots depending on the procedure but that doesn’t mean we don’t perform it if it can possibly save the life of our patient. You and others like you would spend years “whining” while many more die (or the patient), just as long as it doesn’t happen during a war?…Ridiculous lack of logic…War, is no light thing and like surgery, things can go wrong. However, the alternative is let the patient die slowly, less dramatically or get in and try to be proactive. You can bitch about the reasons why we went in, doesn’t really matter if the ends justifies the means …I have found as a result of our efforts in the Gulf and Afghanistan, their cultures are simply not advanced enough. I, like many who supported such efforts, believed the “leftwing” idea of all cultures being equal but different. I was sorely mistaken….Yet knowing this, we continue to import people from said cultures and proclaim “we” should understand them? Ridiculous, insane…God forbid we ask them to dig in and “work” for their futures, much easier to just ask another country to do it for you. Those coming as “refugees” with 14,000.00 in hand also happen to be the same types we need to stay and rebuild but we take their finest from them…Make any sense to you? Then we will turn around and wonder why?
Oh and yes…One can look at their life as “unique” but only the ignorant would fail to grasp how it came to be as you do…If not for those “imperialist Brits” and their “warring ways” you would not be where you are now and nor would I. You know nothing of life if you can’t even grasp history. You have been on the planet 60 plus years and you have not been able to figure this out…Doubt, you ever will….
“Do some proof-reading before you click the button to post. Don’t they teach you how to write a coherent paragraph of text at Teabag School.”
Umm, it’s a BLOG…You do understand that right? We are posting “comments”…Take a look at your own before you start “playing head master” you twit or shall I say “fragment king”.
“Our racist american friend doesn’t want Mexicans as neighbors, just as border crossing, under minimum-wage slaves. They are alright to pick oranges and then go back home, but not loiter about disrupting the bed-sheet wearers meetings and pilgrimage to Vidor.”
Yes, controlling one’s borders and enforcing immigration law makes me a racist you moron…If Mexican’s where “WHITE” I would be of the same opinion but since their not you must point this out, not me as if it means anything but highlights my point about importing “non-whites” aka anything except of European descent. You believe like most idiots on the left that racism underlies everything when it comes to issues involving “NON-WHITES”, typical…Neighbors are fine but uninvited guests are not. Our illegal immigrant problem is estimated to be possibly as high as Australia’s entire population so please, find something you do know anything about before you post…We have idiots who paint “law enforcement” as racists (you) and idiots who believe it (illegal immigrants) and the result is, a new Democratic electorate…Again, labor is doing the same…Releasing 8,000 people into the community to what? Have children so we can then listen to your lot complain about how the Liberals are treating “non-white” children? How they are failing to integrate because of lack of funding or racist communities? The horror…Yes, I am not on to anything here, nothing at all….
How long did you serve in the military, Sparta?
“How long did you serve in the military, Sparta?”
Sigh…3 years. Why do you ask?
You two have something in common then.
Just curious … wondering what vets say when you bring up your ideas …
TB,
I would say watch the film/docu drama “The World without Us” based on a fictional account of the world after the US withdraws from it with commentary from various intellectuals and critics from around the world…..
‘Our illegal immigrant problem is estimated to be possibly as high as Australia’s entire population ‘
Yeah, that’s a fair comparison.
After the hurricane they built tent cities…
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
Policy on the run, goes from bad to worse and will not deter boat arrivals. Burke is softening up caucus in advance, but it won’t wash.
‘LABOR frontbencher Tony Burke concedes his government’s decision to revoke asylum seekers’ work rights is “very harsh”, but will help deter would-be boat arrivals from risking their lives.
‘Immigration Minister Chris Bowen’s decision to place thousands of asylum seekers who arrived after Labor revived offshore processing on bridging visas is expected to be a key topic of debate at Tuesday’s caucus meeting.’
Jared Owens in the Oz
… watch the film/docu drama “The World without Us” based on a fictional account of the world
FMD!
You’d probably love, “Putin the Next Messiah” … 🙄
… after Labor revived offshore processing on bridging visas is expected to be a key topic of debate at Tuesday’s caucus meeting.’
Given two choices …
1. Chasing the Prime Minister with innuendo and smears; or
2. Serious debate about asylum seekers/refugees …
… I wonder which one Tony Abbott and the Thumbsuckers will choose?
I guess its a given … one you can make up … the other one needs some really serious thought and debate …
‘one you can make up …’
A caucus revolt, a PM thrown over ….and caucus choose an outsider to replace her so they have a chance of winning the election.
Smith apologises to victims of abuse….this is good news.
‘THE Gillard government has announced a judicial inquiry into allegations of sexual and other abuse in the Australian Defence Force.
‘The probe will be headed up by former judge Len Roberts-Smith, the father of Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith.’
Vasek and Nicholson in the Oz
2. Serious debate about asylum seekers/refugees …
It is not in their interests to seriously debate that issue. School children show more compassion and rational thinkng.
Why Labor will lose the election.
‘Take western Sydney, for example. The inner-city types who adopt the laudable approach of sympathising with asylum seekers mostly do not live among them. Many asylum seekers who become accepted as refugees live in western Sydney. Here they compete with less well-off Australians for access to public housing and preferred medical care and education facilities. They also take up slots in Australian refugee and humanitarian intake quotas.
‘Labor’s policy, announced in 2007 by Kevin Rudd and supported by the present Prime Minister, to abandon the Howard government’s successful hardline approach to people smugglers has been badly received in western Sydney. This primarily explains the current haste to dismantle the policy which Labor took to the 2007 election.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-polls-mislead–people-living-in-suburbia-will-decide-next-federal-election-20121126-2a3j9.html#ixzz2DNvXIqUz
Continuing the serious debate on asylum seekers….its the perfect place for a large satellite township catering to the uninvited.
No need for fences or razor wire.
Lucky we’re on the security council – to abstain!
Very decisive!
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay !
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/23/news/midcoast/cushing-man-gets-jail-for-striking-estranged-wife-with-genitalia/
There’s 650,000 Australians unemployed and getting benefits.
Abbott said he will create a million jobs in five years.
The unemployment rate is unlikely to alter all that much over half a decade, for many reasons to complex to consider here.
So he must be planning mass immigration to grow the country.
This story is not remarkable but the quote ‘I thought something was unusual because she’s no good at ironing’ …..is sort of funny.
‘A Belgian husband has spoken of his ‘horror’ after learning his wife of 19 years used to be a man.
‘The duped 64-year-old – named only as Jan – said he had ‘no clue’ his bride had been born a boy.
‘The shocking revelation only emerged after almost two decades of marriage when a cousin from his wife’s native Indonesia finally exposed the truth.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238663/Belgian-husband-leaves-wife-19-years-discovering-man-says-knows-good-ironing.html#ixzz2DU67z5Z0
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If the Coalition intends to grow Australia we should consider their four point plan.
Click to access Infrastructure%20Policy.pdf
Tourism Australia needs to decide if Geoff Dixon is worth costing them $40 million a year for a project that will only enrich himself.
Qantas has to decide what is best for its shareholders
‘The underlying message from my discussion with this MP was that modern politicians are assuming journalistic functions. Or at least they have the ability to do so, and increasingly will take advantage of it. In the process they will reduce their reliance on, and the relevance of, those of us in the media who report on politics. A former political staffer puts it this way:
”Every politician is now a media entrepreneur.” And: ”A political party is a media company.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/polly-press-gang-spreads-the-word-20121130-2amfa.html#ixzz2DqzOfNBR
‘BERNARD McGRATH, the Australian paedophile wanted by a NSW court on more than 250 child sex charges, has again escaped law enforcement agencies, fleeing Sri Lanka this week.
‘McGrath, wanted since June, was reportedly living on a tea plantation in the highlands of Sri Lanka, having skipped out of New Zealand ahead of an order for his extradition to Australia.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/mcgrath-escapes-the-net-yet-again-20121202-2ap1p.html#ixzz2DtodHZzC
Reporting from the front line…. recession is here. Our boutique ‘otel sits empty (unfknbelievable) and my tradie mates say over the past six months its got progressively worse.
‘THE Reserve Bank is considered certain to cut interest rates after a last-minute deluge of data showed spending had stalled, profits had collapsed, the job market had shrunk and inflation had turned negative./
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/rate-cut-stands-out-amid-a-sea-of-gloom-20121203-2ar6i.html#ixzz2E14vK6eq