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Julia Gillard: Pants on Fire!

November 22, 2012

The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, told her law firm partners she knew nothing about the mortgage on a Fitzroy property, bought partly with union money stolen by her former boyfriend, despite having been involved in the mortgage arrangements for the property two years earlier.

Document contradicts Gillard statement

A 1993 bank letter links Julia Gillard with a property bought with union money, contrary to her subsequent claims.

The bank letter confirms that Ms Gillard – then a salaried partner with law firm Slater & Gordon – received an insurance certificate of currency, which was required for approval of a $150,000 mortgage provided by the firm’s loan department.

Julia Gillard
[Julia Gillard … told her law firm partners she knew nothing about the mortgage on a Fitzroy property]

Ms Gillard denied knowledge of the mortgage when challenged by the firm’s managing partners in late 1995, after they first discovered her involvement in the work.

“I don’t, I don’t think I knew that at the time,” she told senior partner Peter Gordon, according to new details of the interview obtained by The Age.

A West Australian fraud squad investigation in 1996 found the rest of the purchase money – more than $100,000 – had been siphoned from a union association by Bruce Wilson, Ms Gillard’s then boyfriend and a senior Australian Workers Union official.

The unit in Kerr Street, Fitzroy, was bought in the name of Ralph Blewitt, a union crony of Mr Wilson who this week returned to Melbourne from his home in Malaysia to brief Victorian police, who are considering whether to reopen their investigation into the scandal.

In the newly-released details of her September 1995 meeting with Mr Gordon, Ms Gillard – after being questioned in detail about her work for Wilson and Blewitt – denies any knowledge of the Fitzroy mortgage.

Peter Gordon: “Were you aware at any time that the balance of the funds to make up the capital was to be provided by contributory mortgage of which Jonathan Rothfield (a Slater & Gordon partner) was trustee?”

Julia Gillard: “I don’t, I don’t think I knew that at the time, where the source of funds was. It’s subsequently been raised with me that that was done through the Slater & Gordon mortgage register but I didn’t have any recollection of that.”

The additional transcript material has been released by Nick Styant-Browne, another former equity partner in the firm, after he was contacted by The Age with questions about the mortgage. He said he was able to release it as it clearly did not involve any issues of lawyer-client confidentiality.

A spokesman for Ms Gillard told The Age she stood by her statements in the interview with Mr Gordon and had no recollection of seeing the bank correspondence.

A Commonwealth Bank letter sent to Ms Gillard on March 22, 1993, shows she was involved in the property’s insurance, a prerequisite for the mortgage.

Addressed “Attention: Julia Gillard” and headed “Certificate of Currency”, the letter from the bank’s insurance department confirms the Kerr Street unit had been insured in the name of Ralph E. Blewitt.

“In accordance with your request, we advise the building/s are insured for $200,000 with the Commonwealth Bank Insurance Scheme and the policy is renewed until 18th March 1994,” it says.

On the same day the letter was sent, a handwritten note in the file headed “Bruce Wilson” refers to the certificate of currency from the Commonwealth Bank and adds: “Ralph spoke to Julia Gillard”.

The 400-page conveyancing file also shows that Ms Gillard waived professional fees on the conveyancing and loan work, sought and received a detailed briefing on penalty interest provisions for the mortgage and forwarded a cheque from Mr Blewitt for costs associated with the purchase.

What the PM’s spokeperson said last night:

The conveyancing for the Kerr Street property was handled by Olive Brosnahan, a paralegal, under the oversight of Nick Styant-Browne, the relevant partner.

A note in Ms Brosnahan’s handwriting appears on the publicly available file dated 22 March 1993. It states that Ralph (Blewitt) was chasing up the Commonwealth Bank in relation to the Certificate of Currency.

It also records the making of a phone call to Ms Gillard which resulted in a message being left for Ms Gillard. The file contains no evidence of Ms Gillard returning this call.

What this entry on the file shows is that Mr Blewitt was personally attending to dealing with the Commonwealth Bank about the certificate of currency.

Ms Gillard has no recollection of seeing the correspondence from the Commonwealth Bank dated 23 March 1993.

Ms Gillard stands by her statements in the Slater and Gordon interview of 11 September 1995 as her best recollection of events two and a half years earlier.

There is no contradiction in anything you have put to us. In addition, contrary to previous claims by you and The Age, the Prime Minister did not run nor was in charge of the conveyancing file – and as such couldn’t be expected to have a detailed recollection of the transactions in the file two and a half years after they occurred.

In addition, the certificate of currency does not show that Ralph Blewitt was her “client” in relation to this conveyancing matter, as you allege, nor that the Commonwealth Bank was “her bank”, as you allege, nor that she personally sought confirmation of the insurance cover, as you allege.

Given your recent history of publishing unsupportable claims on this matter, and having afterwards to correct them, it’s a pity The Age is again considering publishing allegations you can’t substantiate.

 

 

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280 Comments leave one →
  1. November 23, 2012 7:52 am

    I’d like to know who’s paying for all the dirt dredging. Thus far a lot of smear and innuendo without anything concrete!

  2. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:13 am

    guffaw

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:18 am

    Where’s, ToM?

    (Sifting through, The Age’s, rubbish bins no doubt)

    Gaffaw indeed …

  4. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:31 am

    “Thus far a lot of smear and innuendo without anything concrete!”

    Guffaw indeedsome…………………

    Yes dated documents addressed ” Attention: Ms Julia Gillard ” (not opinions mind you but dated documents) hardly count as evidence do they ?

    I’m more inclined to believe Craig Thomson’s version of the Truth rather than Julia’s version of the Truth.

    Perhaps she should seek out his advice.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:51 am

    Nick Styant-Browne

    My working class upbringing and interest in historical events have led me to be very distrustful of, wannabe Robber Barons, with double barrelled names … just sayin’

  6. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:56 am

    Parker-Bowles

    You are a sexist

    Robber Baroness’

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:07 am

    Whatever … WGAF, anyway …

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:14 am

    Watergate brought down Nixon because he lied about it, not because of the break-in.

    Here’s the very best that can be said of Gillard – she has a history of deceiving people (eg Wilkie).

    Her involvement in the fraudulent AWU slush fund compounds her history of duplicity –

    • She set up a “slush fund” with a purpose that she knew was different to the advice she provided to the WA regulator. That’s dishonest.

    • She appears to have witnessed a power of attorney without the signatory being present. That’s also dishonest.

    • She said she didn’t know about the mortgage. That’s a lie.

    • She put the interests of her fraudulent boyfriend in front of her actual fee paying client. That’s deceitful.

    • She was pretty well shown the door from a labour law firm, her last non political job. That’s incompetence.

    • She claimed to be “young & naïve”. That’s a falsehood.

    Gillard deserves the scrutiny she’s getting. I’m hoping the pressure increases because she deserves it.

  9. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:27 am

    She said she didn’t know about the mortgage. That’s a lie.

    Ignoring all of the other failed dot points for now, where is the evidence for that?

  10. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:34 am

    • She appears to have witnessed a power of attorney without the signatory being present. That’s also dishonest.

    Sorry but that’s wrong

    Its actually a Criminal Offence

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s83a.html

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:38 am

    Correspondence was provided to her.

    Her name is all over the documentation.
    ========
    Fine, it’s criminal. I was going casy on Gilland.

  12. November 23, 2012 10:47 am

    “She was pretty well shown the door from a labour law firm, her last non political job. That’s incompetence.”

    I disagree.

    Basically she was sacked.

    Or should I say, “presented with the opportunity to resign”.

  13. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:48 am

    Her name is all over the documentation.

    Heard of para-legals yomm?

  14. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:51 am

    “Her name is all over the documentation.”

    That’s just a coincidence

  15. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:01 am

    “Heard of para-legals yomm? “

    “……….Generally paralegals are not admitted to practise law (except for those paralegals who have obtained a law degree). ……. Under the supervision of a senior lawyer they can run their own files and conduct work which may have otherwise been undertaken by a junior lawyer.”

    http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/1874/paralegals.aspx

    So they take instructions from a lawyer. Who could that have been ?

    Or are you arguing that the paralegals don’t actually take instructions from Lawyers

  16. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:05 am

    In simple conveyancing matters, it appears that they do not need to 2D

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:10 am

    Gillard was all over this, letters were specifically addressed to her. It was purchased by her mate for her boyfriend using the slush fund she’d helped them establish, with the S&G mortgage facility.

    When faced with a difficult decision, Gillard’s history has been to lie or distort the truth.

    In a 30 year old, people might overlook the trait, and accept a little charm and chat. At middle age it wears off.

    A male with her history wouldn’t get away with it, there’s no reason Gillard should get any special/soft treatment.

  18. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:20 am

    Gillard was all over this, letters were specifically addressed to her.

    He said, she said,. Like I said, show me the proof!

    The conveyancing for the Kerr Street property was handled by Olive Brosnahan, a paralegal, under the oversight of Nick Styant-Browne, the relevant partner.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/bank-letter-links-pm-to-house-mortgage-20121122-29ssd.html#ixzz2D0502Qfj

    So, looks like Styant-Browne was all over this, not necessarily Gillard.

  19. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:20 am

    “In simple conveyancing matters, it appears that they do not need to 2D”

    This one must have had extra-sensory powers if she knew that a mortgage would be required without the need to be told as much.

    Beggars belief

    I’d like the PM to give one of those “comprehensive statement” thingies to Parliament next week.

    They always clear things up

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:21 am

    She appears to have … Yawn …

    Let the cops investigate and the courts (if I gets there) decide …

    … laying the foundation for a smear election campaign … the LibNits just might get some shit sticking to them too …

    BTW, can I get anyone a, Godwin Greche with Ice … or a Utegate & Cream perhaps … 🙂

  21. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:22 am

    “So, looks like Styant-Browne was all over this, not necessarily Gillard.”

    So who told him a mortgage would be required ?

    Unless of course he had extra sensory powers as well.

    I mean seriously how can you possibly believe such rubbish.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:22 am

    I’d like the PM to give one of those “comprehensive statement” thingies to Parliament next week.

    And you are? Oh, that’s right …

  23. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:28 am

    ‘They always clear things up’

    😉

  24. November 23, 2012 11:53 am

    If the conveyancing was being handled by a para-legal then its entirely possible that Gillard didn’t see correspondence that was advisory and required no legal action by a solicitor. That’s the role of a para-legal, to handle all the stuff not requiring the attention of a solicitor, briefing up the solicitor on where the activity is at and, bringing to the solicitor’s attention anything that requires their professional skills. That’s why there are para-legals, personal assistants, and other forms of management support.
    That there were shonky dealings is not in dispute, just how much Gillard knew about it is. Brosnahan might be able to throw some illumination on the whole grubby business.
    I’d still like to know who’s paying for the dirt dredging.

  25. November 23, 2012 12:03 pm

    Perhaps deknarf.

    However it’s a matter of historical fact that her employers were not satisfied with Gillard’s explanation and decided to “let her go.”

    I can appreciate that an assistant or para-legal may have handled the details of the transaction however Gillard would have been aware of what was going on, in much the same way as my lawyer knows when I’m buying and selling property even though checking the contracts, arranging settlement etc is usually done by a junior employee.

    THE WHOLE THING STINKS….!!!

  26. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:06 pm

    however Gillard would have been aware of what was going on, in much the same way as my lawyer knows when I’m buying and selling property even though checking the contracts,

    Yea, cos it’s like, the whole ‘vibe’ thing, init 😉

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:16 pm

    Who to believe?

    *the former managing partner of S&G, with nothing to gain by going public,
    *who is apolitical,
    *who has expressed serious misgivings about Gillard and
    *who said she has not told the full story when interviewed
    *who has used documents to demonstrate his statements

    Or …a politician with a proven history of not telling the truth

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:20 pm

    A male with her history wouldn’t get away with it, there’s no reason Gillard should get any special/soft treatment.

    Bollocks tomM, male pollies have got away with it forever, no-one even bothers to check into their past history and jobs. – AWB [how many didn’t knows & can’t recalls was that? haneef, tampa – [they threw their kids in the water], grech [falsifying emails & made up lies], australians for honest politics slush fund, abbott’s – medicare safety net broken promise [all while in govt, not 17 yrs ago]

    Plenty of smear but still no accusation of any actual wrongdoing – why is that?

  29. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:26 pm

    Oh FFS

    She even attended the auction with Bruce Wilson but apparently still had no idea a mortgage would be required.

    Seriously

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:31 pm

    A male with her history wouldn’t get away with it, there’s no reason Gillard should get any special/soft treatment.

    A lot of sexist $#!t on this blog just lately …

    Why should anyone get away with shonky dealings …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s why there are para-legals, personal assistants, and other forms of management support.

    BUT, the manager (or lawyer) who is in control IS ultimately responsible …

    eg if I asked one of my staff to write a letter that would go under my name – I read and edited it, before signing … if one of my staff had responsibility to sign I ALWAYS got a copy … as a “supervisor” at any level in any free enterprise organisation the duty of care rests wth you not your subordinates …

    … in this case if the paralegal worked under Julia Gillard’s supervision she would be responsible … as would her supervisor … right to a Slater and a Gordon …

    … still …. none of us have seen ALL the documentation … so it’s really silly to make any comment at all …

    I don’t read Bolt’s chunder anymore but I bet there’s a few rabids snarling over there … reading some of the comments here … just thinkin’

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:33 pm

    Seriously

    Guffaw …

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:45 pm

    I accept that there may be some substance to the claims re impropriety, but probably unlikely to prove wrongdoing, her opponents, the liberal party are behind it and they just want the smear & damage he. That is an equally dishonest way to gain office IMO, and the libs do it time and time again, they lie, bribe and fabricate to gain office. If you can only get in by kneecapping your opponent rather than on merit you’re no good. No proof of whether she personally profited. Everyone has things in their past that they regret or would have done differently were they given the time over again.

    I also think that loads of lawyer pollies have done shonky legal stitch ups and deals for mates, themselves and the powerful/influential over the course of their careers, they just never have anyone busting a gut to tell tales on them or mount a political assassination.

  33. Seriously Guffaw permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:47 pm

    “BUT, the manager (or lawyer) who is in control IS ultimately responsible …”

    Who was the lawyer in charge of the conveyancing file? 😉

    “The conveyancing for the Kerr Street property was handled by Olive Brosnahan, a paralegal, under the oversight of Nick Styant-Browne, the relevant partner,”

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:48 pm

    A lot of sexist $#!t on this blog just lately …

    just lately?

  35. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:58 pm

    “Who was the lawyer in charge of the conveyancing file?”

    And who told him it needed a mortgage ?

  36. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 12:58 pm

    ‘Just lately?’

    Its a blokes thingy…I blame TB.

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:07 pm

    “just lately?”

    No. Its here all the time. The Labor lickspittles speak of little else. Their only talking point is character assassination.

    “The conveyancing for the Kerr Street property was handled by Olive Brosnahan, a paralegal, under the oversight of Nick Styant-Browne, the relevant partner,”

    And Styant-Browne said:

    “But what I can say is this: there is absolutely no doubt that Ms Gillard not only knew about the Slater & Gordon mortgage in March of 1993 but was specifically involved in taking steps to facilitate that mortgage” …

    And now the character assassination will turn to Styant-Browne. That’s the way of things in Unionland.

  38. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:14 pm

    I bet there are plenty of journos down at Births Deaths and Marriages today trying to find out if Olive Brosnahan’s name has changed or if she is still alive.

    Then they’ll be off to the AEC to check out the electoral roll for an address.

  39. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:16 pm

    “Then they’ll be off to the AEC to check out the electoral roll for an address.”

    I suspect Gillard is hoping she’s joined the Police Force or is a Criminal Lawyer or has some other exemption from appearing on the public roll

  40. November 23, 2012 1:21 pm

    Let me get this right, Julia and her then boyfriend were buying a house but she had no idea that they would need a mortgage?

    +++++++++++++++++++

    The voodoo shit is real

  41. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:27 pm

    ‘The voodoo shit is real’

    Thankfully you haven’t lost your sense of humour.

  42. November 23, 2012 1:29 pm

    What makes you think I’m joking. The voodoo shit IS real…!!

  43. Seriously Guffaw permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:32 pm

    “Let me get this right,”

    That would be a good start 😉

    “Julia and her then boyfriend were buying a house”

    Um, no.

    This voodoo shit IS real, and it’s found here and on other fact free sites 😉

  44. November 23, 2012 1:35 pm

    Nice to see the cafe patrons still drop by from time to time… :0)

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:37 pm

    Howard got the bullet because he was seen as shifty. Fair enough too.

    This is an issue Gillard should have fully explained when she first entered parliament, but she used the exclusively female defense in 2007. It’s a story that has never been examined or explained, that’s why it is under the microscope now.

    Other PMs (other than Hawke) have been career politicians, so there’s not much of a prior professional life to examine. Though Hawke’s relationship with Peter Ables got plenty of attention.

    Howard’s deviousness was always in the media, particularly during his last term.

    Gillard has nothing to complain about, it’s all been her own decisions that have placed her where she is.

    She’s dishonest and the evidence keeps mounting.

  46. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 1:44 pm

    “Let me get this right, Julia and her then boyfriend were buying a house but she had no idea that they would need a mortgage?”

    Yes

    And then it was put in someone else’s name.

    Nothing strange about that at all

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2012 2:14 pm

    Howard got the bullet because he was seen as shifty. Fair enough too.

    And you also manage to say he was devious too

    I note you never say – dishonest [which he is] that is exclusively used for gillard. Abbott, despite his outright lies [re pell, the slush fund, wall punching, climate change] is never called dishonest [ironically he appeals to some fools as honest]

    Just pointing out the obvious.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 2:46 pm

    I use ‘dishonest’ for Gillard because I think that represents her behaviour and character.

    Howard was more devious, sneaky.

    But I’m willing to use dishonest for him too.

  49. reb of KL permalink
    November 23, 2012 2:58 pm

    Howard was a nasty little fkn lying cnut of the first order. But that was then this is now.

  50. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 3:16 pm

    ‘[re pell, the slush fund, wall punching, climate change]’

    Needs fleshing out.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 3:39 pm

    When I said earlier Gillard was “dishonest”, I neglected to refer to her statement that the police investigation was underway when she found out about the fraud. In fact, the police investigation didn’t start for many months after. This provided her (ex) boyfriend with the opportunity to cover his tracks.
    ——————–
    http://www.news.com.au/national/awu-scandal-why-it-matters-and-what-you-need-to-know/story-fndo4eg9-1226522812935

    I realise this is from the dreaded News, but I think it is a reasonable summary.

    The issue is important because it goes to the honesty, conduct and character of Gillard.

  52. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 3:42 pm

    Now more evidence has emerged

    An internal memo from Olive Brosnahan addressed to Julia Gillard answering Julia’s enquiries in regard to how penalty interest on the mortgage was to be calculated.

    I suppose she hasn’t seen that either.

    Strange how all this stuff addressed to her never actually gets to her

  53. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 23, 2012 3:46 pm

    And why would Olive Brosnahan ask for the certificate of currency by fax but request that it be addressed to the attention of Julia when its meant for Olive’s attention in the conveyancing area.

    That’s just bizarre

  54. ceci n'est pas une pipedream permalink
    November 23, 2012 5:10 pm

    What makes you think I’m joking. The voodoo shit IS real…!!

    Of course it IS real…!!

  55. reb of KL permalink
    November 23, 2012 5:22 pm

    Funny how people are often so quick to ridicule something they’ve never experienced…

  56. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 5:55 pm

    Its a panacea reb, ignore the ratbags.

  57. Toot Toot Canberra permalink
    November 23, 2012 6:28 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know, would never buy real-estate in the name of a union crony

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 7:24 pm

    The interesting question is whether Gillard will say that Fairfax is full of “misogynists and nutcases”

    I suppose her former boss at S& G is a “misogynist & nutcase”.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 7:33 pm

    “BUT, the manager (or lawyer) who is in control IS ultimately responsible …”

    Who was the lawyer in charge of the conveyancing file?

    Er, that was my point … another member of the 70% I see … in fact I’m wearying of replying to so many frigging sock puppets … it’s like clay pigeon shooting … with a cannon …

    The Labor lickspittles … Ahhh … sp Farnham … 😛

    I see yer back with the Liberal Party approach to discussion again …

    … and I can assure you I’m no fkn lickspittle or any other kind of spittle …

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 7:37 pm

    So we’ve got, Tony Farnham, Wally Farnham, ToM Sock Puppet, and one I’m just about sure of … all hiding … like little kids … behing childish nom de plumes … at least Splatterbottom Lickspittle is honest about returning …

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 7:44 pm

    This is the only moniker I use TB.

    ***BEWARE OF IMITATIONS***

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 7:50 pm

    Have you really changed your ways – Tommy? (I do reacll the imitations – come to think of it …)

  63. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:03 pm

    First World Problems

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:13 pm

    So, egg, did you think that was:

    A) Amusing?

    B) Cynical?

    C) Satirical?

    D) True?

    E) A Reflection of Gen X?

    F) A reflection of GenY?

    G) A reflection of Baby Boomers?

    H) Just don’t know?

    (Don’t ask!!!!! I used to write {professional} multi choice questions and I have already broken the first rule – no more than four answers … and the second rule – only one best answer but the others must be plausible … third rule NEVER ask “all of the above” or “none of the above” )

  65. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:31 pm

    Satirical…

  66. Mom of Telbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:35 pm

    Did I mention Gillard is a liar ?

  67. Mom of Telbourne permalink
    November 23, 2012 8:38 pm

    And she is Australia’s greatest female PM

  68. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:22 pm

    Naked ambition has got her into this pickle and she should step aside over the Xmas break.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:26 pm

    Satirical…

    FMD! I’m truly impressed … a definite decision? Do you need more time?

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:31 pm

    … she should step aside over the Xmas break …

    Chuckle …

    … yeah, like, John Howard, did over the Patricks debacle and the AWB deception (can’t wait for the TV super series) and the Haneef monstrosity!

  71. You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    November 23, 2012 9:45 pm

    She won’t make it to Christmas

  72. el gordo permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:52 pm

    ‘Do you need more time?’

    Oh alright, I s’pose it was also mildly amusing.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 10:56 pm

    She won’t make it to Christmas

    Which one?

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2012 11:02 pm

    I suggest you all watch, An Empress and The Warriors, on SBS Two … it may be difficult for some posters here, especially those on the right side of politics … you have to read the subtitles …

    But if you watch it you may learn something about female determination … its not new … and the fragility of the male ego … that’s not new either …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The new car is great!

  75. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 7:28 am

    Caucus is terrified at the prospect of an alleged ‘crook’ leading Labor to defeat at the next election. The PM has to do the correct thing, stand aside for a couple of months and then quit parliament before the election.

    ———

    ‘JULIA Gillard is not changing her tactics in relation to the queries she faces about her involvement in the AWU slush fund affair – she’s stonewalling.

    ‘Despite widening demands from the media and the prospect of the final week of parliament being dominated by questions about the Prime Minister’s role in giving advice on setting up the fund, Gillard is sticking to the idea the best defence is offence.

    ‘Labor MPs, including ministers, believe the interests of the party and the wider labour movement would be best served by a comprehensive response from Gillard to the avalanche of questions about what she knew and the claimed contradictions in her statements as Prime Minister.’

    Dennis Shannahan in the Oz

  76. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 7:43 am

    If the final week of parliament becomes intolerable for caucus and the independents threaten to cross the floor, then we can expect joolya to go on sabbatical.

    Who then becomes PM?

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 10:41 am

    I think it’s particularly hilarious that the same people who said-

    • Union control of the ALP is “all a media beat-up”
    • The Thomson scandal is “all a media beat-up”
    • Rudd leaking is “all a media beat-up”
    • The Rudd challenge is “all a media beat-up”

    …are now saying Gillard’s role in the AWU slush fund scandal is “all a media beat-up”

    They have a great track record in identifying “a media beat-up”

  78. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 10:57 am

    I blame the yellow press for everything and thankfully they are doing their job.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 11:15 am

    True and if the ALP barrackers had their way there would have been restriction on the media reporting of each of these issues.

    Each was described as a “media beat-up” and each has been found to be factual.

    I recall so many of them urged everyone to wait for the FWA findings on Thomson before forming a view, they argued that Rudd wasn’t challenging – constantly pointing to his denials and demanding “evidence”, they maintained that Rudd wasn’t responsible for damaging leaks – right up until the ALP hacks said he was.

    It’s very funny that every time there is a factual report that is inconvenient to the government, they BLAME THE MEDIA

  80. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 11:36 am

    Yeah, they have a nasty habit of doing that. Of course when the Conservatives capture the Treasury Benches they will say its all the media’s fault.

  81. November 24, 2012 11:39 am

    • Union control of the ALP is “all a media beat-up”

    I think you might mean that union control of the ALP is not such a bad thing, not really a media anything, but, not the first time your memory has become warped.

    • The Thomson scandal is “all a media beat-up”

    It is.

    • Rudd leaking is “all a media beat-up”

    Yea, that one seems to be right, although, the media never said it was rudd, they just played patsy for him.

    • The Rudd challenge is “all a media beat-up”

    I think the first 4 hundred times it was 😯

    And this one is still all a media beatup.

    blogs.abc.net.au/victoria/2012/11/back-and-forth-on-gillard-allegations-continue-balcony-death-at-schoolies.html?site=melbourne&program=melbourne_mornings

  82. November 24, 2012 11:48 am

    “The Thomson scandal is “all a media beat-up”

    It is.

    Oh how we laughed…

  83. November 24, 2012 11:49 am

    And just for laffs…

    “Another boat another policy failure..”

  84. November 24, 2012 11:58 am

    What has Thom(P)son been charged with?

    I mean, they did have testimony from a hooker in NZ

    Whatever happened to that?

  85. November 24, 2012 12:11 pm

    I just find it hilarious that people still defend Thomson’s “innocence” when he is a proven liar.

    Thomson claimed that Fairfax “settled” the defamation case he launched against them. The reality is he dropped it.

    Thomson says that the NSW Police “cleared him”of any wrongdoing. The reality is that they didnt have the jurisdiction to prosecute him.

    Thomson said that he knows who mis-used his credit card and said that he would cooperate with the AFP.

    What ever happened to that…..??

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 12:12 pm

    Tom R –

    1. You and many others suggested that we should withhold judgment on Thomson until the FWA had completed their investigations.

    When almost 200 findings were made against him, this was quickly forgotten, and the attention turned to trying to blame the body that this government appointed, and the investigation that was supervised by a former union official, former ALP ministerial advisor, ALP appointee as a Commissioner.

    2. When the media didn’t tune into Gillard’s secret knifing of Rudd, they weren’t about to let this happen again, so with Rudd and his backers briefing them about the possibility of a challenge, and stirring the pot with damaging leaks, are they supposed to ignore this?

    The blame the media mantra is hilarious!!

  87. November 24, 2012 12:26 pm

    this was quickly forgotten

    No, it was quickly exposed as bogus

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 12:35 pm

    …are now saying Gillard’s role in the AWU slush fund scandal is “all a media beat-up”
    They have a great track record in identifying “a media beat-up”

    I don’t think the media are beating it up, the media is just doing what the media always does in australia, support the liberal party and run with their agenda and campaigns.

    This is another Liberal Party manufactured ‘scandal’, same as all the others we’ve had since gillard took office.

    Not sure why an opposition that hasn’t put policy before the people should dominate the media, is there a day that goes past that we don’t see phoney tony’s mug all over the TV, saying the same thing over and over? Nothing useful, just rants and proposals to have enquiries and reviews into things eg childcare, not actual policy or commitments mind, just brain farts on things he might possibly do to appeal to those easily taken in by his dishonesty “I propose to propose… a working group. Now that’s real action.

    As I write, abbott can find a policy to shout about, how to stop ‘illegals’ coming here. That is the most important thing to the electorate.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:01 pm

    ” No, it was quickly exposed as bogus

    Are you serious??

    Please advise what has “been exposed as bogus”.

    Do you mean that maybe Nassios & Lawler were once seen sharing a lift together once? With Nassios making his way to his work station on level 3 while Lawler went on to his suite of chambers on level 13 (ie they were “sharing an office”).

    Or do you mean that the supervisor of the investigaion, (formerly union official and ALP ministerial advisor and now Commissioner Lee – thanks ALP!) allegedly allowed a 3 year investigation to drift towards a “bogus” finding?

    Got a link to prove “bogus”?

  90. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:07 pm

    ‘This is another Liberal Party manufactured ‘scandal’, same as all the others we’ve had since gillard took office.’

    Not sure about ‘manufactured’.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:09 pm

    This is another Liberal Party manufactured ‘scandal’, same as all the others we’ve had since gillard took office.

    This is no manufactured scandal. We have a Prime Minister who supported her boyfriend’s interests ahead of her actual clients interests to establish a slush fund that he defrauded.

    Gillard has plenty of baggage, and the media is doing its job by reporting on incompetence and questionable activities in the past of political leaders.

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:12 pm

    …and the attention turned to trying to blame the body that this government appointed,

    Let’s not forget the magnificent involvement of FWA vice president lawler.

    Has he found the time yet to appear before parliament to answer questions on conflict of interest and his actions?

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:14 pm

    This is no manufactured scandal. We have a Prime Minister who supported her boyfriend’s interests ahead of her actual clients interests to establish a slush fund that he defrauded.

    Do you have some evidence to support that tomM? That gillard knew and was complicit in the fraud?

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:21 pm

    Not sure about ‘manufactured’.

    As one tweeter twitted:

    “never before has so much been made of so little”

    What do you call a sustained and ongoing campaign that produces no accusations, just keeps adding support acts that lead nowhere? Put up or shut up, everything that doesn’t lead anywhere is just smear [lib party MO]

  95. November 24, 2012 1:24 pm

    The Labor Party are also pretty good at smear when it suits them. And Gillard is no novice, particularly when we reflect on the character assassination she launched against Kevin Rudd back in February.

    The reality is that both parties – the Libs and Labor – are both experts at grubby play when it suits them.

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:28 pm

    The reality is that both parties – the Libs and Labor – are both experts at grubby play when it suits them.

    That just about sums the whole sorry mess up for me …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    How’s the holiday “camp”, sreb?

    Is the net easy to get onto where you are?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, my new car is luvly … 😉

  97. November 24, 2012 1:36 pm

    Holiday is good thanks TB…

    At the moment I’m staying at the “Sunway Lagoon and Resort” which is like something out of brisvegas.

    Next door there’s a hotel in the shape of a pyramid, called unsurprisingly “The Pyramid Hotel.” Then there’s the shopping mall and the “Lagoon” water theme park.

    The whole thing smacks of complete tackiness, so I think you’d like it a lot.

    Glad to hear you’re enjoying the new car (even though it’s white)…

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:37 pm

    AO – ”That gillard knew and was complicit in the fraud?”

    I didn’t say Gillard was complicit. I said she set up the fund that her boyfriend defrauded.

    I don’t know whether she did this deliberately. But what I am entitled to say is that she put the interests of her boyfriend in front of her actual client, the AWU and her employer.

    The biggest union and highest fee payer, AWU, terminated their relationship with S&G. S&G told Gillard to go.

    This is all information of reasonable public interest; we’re entitled to know about the judgment and character of the people leading us.

    Now, if Abbott had –

    • helped someone (even unknowingly) defraud the concrete company he used to work for, or
    • set up a fund to attack a union rather than Pauline Hanson,

    …I think the press would be all over it, and fair enough too.
    —–
    But I really would like Tom R to explain exactly which part of the FWA report on Thomson was “bogus”

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:41 pm

    well done police commisioner

    http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/our-say/10930-chief-commissioner-ken-lay-speaks-at-the-royal-womens-hospial-white-ribbon-day-breakfast.html

    …The problem is every one of us who laughs at that revolting joke which severely degrades women – knowing we shouldn’t.

    It is those of us who verbally abuse and physically intimidate women in the way those young French women were abused on a Melbourne suburban bus a couple of weeks ago.

    It is every one of us who doesn’t say something when we start to suspect something isn’t right with our friends.

    We create the environment in which these people – who are 95% men – think it is ok to do what they do.

    Violence against women is not ok, it is not acceptable. It is a major issue for every police agency across Australia and internationally. It is also not just a policing problem – violence against women is a public health problem; it is an education problem. Police cannot stop family violence on our own.

    It is the responsibility of every man in this room to stop it…

    It’s all down to men.

    BTW, has tony abbott had anything to say on this huge and costly national problem? I would have thought he would jump at the chance to show his inner feminist?
    [chuck on a white ribbon, grab a disabled person to assist, charity/fundraising while he exercises?] .

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:48 pm

    The reality is that both parties – the Libs and Labor – are both experts at grubby play when it suits them.

    That’s the problem, the voters are fed up with it, that’s all we get. All grubby play, no decency. It’s a shame that real progress as a nation [child sex abuse inquiry] and the good things being achieved by lots of hardworking people are overshadowed by grubby politics.

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 1:52 pm

    I didn’t say Gillard was complicit. I said she set up the fund that her boyfriend defrauded.

    Oh, so how is she guilty of anything then? Guilt by association?

    If doing that was a crime, there’d be loads of lawyers in jail.

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 2:29 pm

    …set up a fund to attack a union rather than Pauline Hanson,

    Why was it ok for him to set up a slush fund to attack hanson, a political opponent? Why couldn’t he attack her in the political arena if he wants to change public opinion?

    These are the lengths that the liberal party will go to win office and they have been doing this type of stuff ever since they formed as a party. And it has been continuous since gillard came to office. They are like a mafia organisation, nothing is too low for them. The tentacles of their influence to corrupt are in every institution in the country.
    Says a lot about abbott’s character and integrity of himself and the libs in general.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 2:29 pm

    AO, we don’t choose our leaders on the basis of whether their past activities are criminal.

    A criminal history is an automatic disqualification, but the lack of a specific criminal history isn’t enough to say someone is suitable to be Prime Minister, or an MP.

    People are entitled to make comments and pass judgments about the character and demonstrated behaviour (over time) of politicians.

    Gillard has a history of dubious judgement and behaviour over several decades now, examples of her similar behaviour prior to her entering parliament assist to illustrate her character.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 2:32 pm

    sreb, that is cringy! Even the video is out of sync … makes my eyes water … how fkn awful for you …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s all down to men.

    Absolutely! My wife (and child) beating father, died a decade ago … I miss him not! But I’m glad I stopped him thumping my, Mum, 40 years ago!

  105. reb of KL permalink
    November 24, 2012 3:04 pm

    I think it’s clear that Gillard is being less than transparent with regards to the whole S&G affair and would prefer it all to just go away.

    Whether you accept her “explanation” which basically equates I the “Craig Thonson degfence” I didn’t do anything wrong (even though she was sacked) is one thing.

    The reality is that Gillard has form in attempting to silence criticism. Her lies over the knifing if Kevin Rudd continue to haunt her and rightly so.

  106. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 3:58 pm

    ‘It’s all down to men.’

    For reasons of survival they are naturally aggressive and we laughingly imagined it could be rooted out through education and law. There are lots of uncivilised males still roaming the streets, frustrated apes who get intoxicated and become beastly.

    The drunken fool in the Melbourne bus should be publicly shamed, even though his poor opinion of himself is plain to see.

  107. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 4:12 pm

    Bushfire Bill at Poll Bludger

    ‘a 30-something woman caught up in an affair with a larrkin and his spiv mate who bamboozled her into doing some legal work for them that turned out to be hiding a confidence racket they were running with Theiss.’

    Hmmm….

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 4:48 pm

    IT’S ALL IN THE TRENDS

    THE popularity of the Newman Government has been eroded by a range of nepotism and integrity scandals that have plagued the administration.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/galaxy-poll-shows-newman-government-scandals-hurting-lnp-popularity-but-campbell-newman-avoids-the-fallout/story-fndo4ckr-1226523128335

    The Gillard government may have problems with the LibNit phishing not quite hooking and landing the big one … BUT …

    Here in sunny Queensland, the Newman government’s “school” of cronies and nepotists are continually getting caught in a net of their own making!

    Captain Noddy is pretty safe (for the time being) but I suspect that with Clivey on the horizon a storm might be brewing and sink ’em all! 😛

  109. Toot Toot Canberra permalink
    November 24, 2012 5:23 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know, will always prefer carrier pigeon to NBNco brand email

  110. Toot Toot Canberra permalink
    November 24, 2012 5:36 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know, will always understand shit happens

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 5:39 pm

    Does anyone have a link (or any other evidence) to show that the FWA findings against Thomson were “bogus”?

    …I mean it’s all very well to imagine that Lawler went out of his way to “exchange favours” with Nassios, while they “shared an office”, but is this all there is to allege the “bogus” investigation?

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 6:30 pm

    Your repeating telling the story, ToM … 🙂

  113. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 6:44 pm

    Is Peter Wix a character known as wixxy?

    And did Joolya coerce her mum and dad into joining the Communist Party?

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 6:56 pm

    Is, egg, a Russian plant (or just a plant)?

  115. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 7:27 pm

    I’m attempting to join the dots.

    “If you’re skating on thin ice, you may as well tapdance.”

    Wayne Swan

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 7:44 pm

    “Attempting” being a key word … stop “following” and try being you … you NEVER make an independent comment you follow ToM, or James Farnham or the Liberal website .

  117. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 8:22 pm

    You want me to express an opinion?

    Well, on asylum seekers, I want a large concentration camp at Ord River where the inmates work for the dole as agricultural workers.

    Julia Gillard is probably the worst PM Australia has ever had and it has nothing to do with her gender.

    Joolya’s biggest and most expensive lie was her decision to call carbon dioxide a pollutant which creates global warming.

    How is that for starters?

  118. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 8:24 pm

    “Our previous prime minister Mr Rudd made, I believe, very, very substantial contribution to ensuring that our country didn’t go into recession,”

    Wayne Swan

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2012 8:28 pm

    Julia Gillard is probably the worst PM Australia has ever had and it has nothing to do with her gender.

    Why?

  120. November 24, 2012 8:30 pm

    Why?

    cos!

  121. November 24, 2012 8:33 pm

    Does anyone have a link (or any other evidence) to show that the FWA findings against Thomson were “bogus”?

    …………..
    A report issued by the AEC says most of the funds spent by Thomson’s campaign were within the reporting guidelines laid down in the Electoral Act.

    http://australianpolitics.com/2012/05/16/aec-clears-thomsons-election-spending.html

  122. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 8:53 pm

    ‘Why?”

    Whitlam, Hawke and Keating were Labor leaders we can be proud of. Rudd was also doing fine, working the public servants to death and getting on with the job of managing the country.

    When Julia knifed him I didn’t concern myself, that’s realpolitik. I was practically rusted on and then she stitched up a deal with the Greens to stay in power and bent over backwards to please them. The CO2 tax is unforgivable and then she went on telling lies and making deals.

    Pathological liars need professional help.

  123. Even Tide permalink
    November 24, 2012 9:37 pm

    So TB you’ve bought a Santa Fe. My son bought one for his wife a few weeks ago. it’s the ‘top of the range’ model and it is very impressive. Whistles and bells galore. But perhaps a little too expensive.

    The diesel motor is absolutely brilliant. First diesel I’ve encountered that doesn’t sound like one. And the power for such a small motor is mind blowing. Handling is very good and the ‘finish’ is exceptional. Will be a strong contender for “Car of the Year”.

    On the downside. Its towing capacity is very poor. Not due to a lack of power (there’s heaps of that) but a limit of 100 kg on the tow bar is rather disappointing. Second, the cost of a service (while capped) is still far too high.

    But overall, it’s a really classy vehicle. Competes very well with the best of the european models and at so many levels – power, price, finish and the like.

    Happy motoring.

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2012 9:39 pm

    Well, on asylum seekers, I want a large concentration camp at Ord River where the inmates work for the dole as agricultural workers.

    Why should they be limited to working for the dole? Why can’t they work for award wages? I would hope that you don’t expect them to be working for the dole to benefit a private company.

  125. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 10:01 pm

    Kitty

    This is a camp designed to help the newly arrived economic refugees merge into society as quickly as possible. The facilities would be the best in the world and cater for every need, but having knowingly jumped the line they need to be penalised.

    As soon as they pick up a useful skill inside this holiday camp, speak the language and play the sports, they can then be set free to fend for themselves in capital cities. They would have set up contacts and useful work with real wages.

    On a daily basis I meet people working for the dole, its an imposition but accepted as a practical solution to those who are long term unemployed.

    ‘…hope that you don’t expect them to be working for the dole to benefit a private company.’

    Particularly not Gina’s company….

  126. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 10:16 pm

    ‘Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison will introduce a private members bill re-establishing the visas that were abolished by the federal Labor government in 2008.

    ‘Mr Abbott said the temporary protection visas will only last until it is safe for people to go back to where they came from.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillard-will-be-grilled-says-abbott-20121124-29zsq.html#ixzz2D8Z5Z9bq

    I have no objection, but surely Sri Lanka is now safe to go home to? There are no wars, they have come for a better life. Weed out the criminal element and send them home, but let the others stay.

  127. el gordo permalink
    November 24, 2012 11:09 pm

    “They can go on a witch-hunt for as long as they like, and they will find nothing that will do her (Gillard) any harm.”

    “(She) knew absolutely, categorically nothing.”

    Bruce Wilson

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2012 11:14 pm

    That’s very funny Tom R!

    Thomson resolves 1 of the almost 200 findings of FWA, and it’s a “bogus” report. Very droll.

    (at least I presume that was humour, because you couldn’t be serious with that)

  129. Santa Claus permalink
    November 25, 2012 12:05 am

    Oh

    Are we supposed to take TomR seriously now

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2012 9:50 am

    Nice to hear from you, Even Tide, (clever, very clever 🙂 ) … I agree with your assessment of the Santa Fe … I’ve only seen one on the roads locally, since I ordered ours, a month ago … I’ll keep my eyes out for a Highlander on the Peninsula … 😉

    The towing ball weight is a big issue for caravan owners on the forums … I bought my Magna 12 years ago with a tow bar/ball fitted – never used it, so it were irrelevant we thought!

    With 28km on the clock it’s early days! But very comfortable to drive … we have the Elite mid-range model with all the “bells and whistles” apart from the sunroof and seat warmers … it is Qld after all … the H/lander has 19″ wheels the Elite 18″ … spent yesterday afternoon with the handbook … just “learning” the uses of the proximity switching is “different” …

    Simply can’t get away for a good drive with all the grandkid “visits” and stay overs, around here …

    As I said, noice to hear from you … 🙂

  131. November 25, 2012 9:52 am

    Are we supposed to take TomR seriously now

    No, why should I be treated any differently than anyone else here 😉

    yomm asked, I provided, yomms still not happy. Some things never change 😉

    Let us not forget, this ‘one’ point was the central one, and was shown to be inaccurate almost immediately. The KPMG report was also illuminating, and doesn’t auger well for the remainder of the claims, particularly after the central tenet has already been dismantled

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2012 9:53 am

    egg, you must love, Sparta’s, view of the world too … 😯

  133. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 10:05 am

    Spata’s view is uniquely American…in the really lucky country we don’t have to worry.

    Is there a particular point you would like to discuss?

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2012 10:12 am

    It’s funny when Tom R clutches at straws.

    The KPMG report specifically didn’t look at the findings, it was about process, it was an attempt to find out why it had taken so, so long. It reflected poorly on the bloke that supervised the report, you know the one the ALP appointed General Manager of the division…the former ALP ministerial advisor, former union official, ALP appointee as a FWA Commissioner.

    KPMG’s analysis was commenced to take the heat out of the questions bout why the handbrake had been applied to the investigation, why it had taken 3 years.

    Meanwhile, Thomson has resolved 1 (that’s ONE) of the almost 200 findings against him!

    Hilarious.

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2012 10:45 am

    Is there a particular point you would like to discuss?

    🙄

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 12:44 pm

    …you know the one the ALP appointed General Manager of the division…the former ALP ministerial advisor, former union official, ALP appointee as a FWA Commissioner.

    tomM’s tale of two FWA officials.

    Anyone that has been associated with labor or unions = BOO, nothing they have ever done or will ever do can be trusted.

    Anyone with liberal party connections, big business representations = fine upstanding citizen who should never be held under any scrutiny whatsoever, nothing they have done or will ever do can be wrong.

  137. November 25, 2012 12:46 pm

    Meanwhile, Thomson has resolved 1 (that’s ONE) of the almost 200 findings against him!

    I’m not sure if you have actually familiarised yourself with the report yomm, else you might not keep making this claim.

    The findings against Thom(P)son and his electoral use of funds was far more than one, and almost all of them were found to be wrong. The 200 findings you keep were not all against Thom(P)son either, there were a few other names involved, jackson being another.

    Re-check your math 😉

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 1:12 pm

    “Never, ever, will I attempt to say that as a man I have been the victim of powerful forces beyond my control and how dare any prime minister of Australia play the victim card.”

    Where do you start with this? The obvious

    As a man, he benefits from male privilege in a patriarchal society. As a white male even more so, being entrenched in all systems of power and influence. A white male who has come from wealth, has had the best education that money can buy, one that to this day, promotes future leadership and career gains as a given. A white male who believes and supports a religious doctrine of the superiority of men over women. A white male, who happens to be the opposition leader, there is only one person who holds more power and influence than him in all the land.

    No, guess you never will ‘play the victim card’ tony, being ably advantaged and privileged all your life by powerful forces, but you sure don’t mind being offensive about it.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2012 1:17 pm

    Fascinating!!

    There was no public debate about the use of union funds for his election, but now this is the key to dismissing the findings against Thomson.

    All those who said we should wait for the findings of FWA on Thomson simply move to blaming FWA. Did KPMG suggest he didn’t use union funds to pay for prostitutes, or take cash advances for personal use? Or take a credit card from a supplier for personal use?

    Does anyone believe that there isn’t a culture of sleazy petty corruption pervading the HSU? And that Thomson fitted into this dodgy culture without demur?

    Thomson is shady sleazy spiv and he’s not on his own.
    ————————–
    AO, I’m only pointing out who actually supervised the investigation, when, without any evidence, so many are chanting “LOOK AT LAWLER!”

  140. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 25, 2012 1:25 pm

    “As a man, he benefits from male privilege”

    What does that even mean?

    “white male who has come from wealth, has had the best education that money can buy”

    I would say given our recent election that applies to anybody of wealth nowadays and for some time.

    No offense Kitty, but it all is a bit of pre-feminist mumbo-jumbo…I don’t know if you have bothered to look around you but the world has changed…I know poor Tony suffers from “foot in mouth” disease but you too should evolve a bit…Again, take your flag and plant it where it is needed, middle east.

  141. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 1:33 pm

    There’s too much misandry on this thread.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 1:55 pm

    Does anyone believe that there isn’t a culture of sleazy petty corruption pervading the HSU? And that Thomson fitted into this dodgy culture without demur?

    Does anyone believe that there isn’t a culture of grand corruption pervading all of australia’s political elite?

    …I know poor Tony suffers from “foot in mouth” disease…

    Does he sparta? Or is it more dog whistling, the culture warrior, the spear carrier in john howards culture wars, wanting to garner a reaction such as yours? Pandering to the angry white males who think they are under siege, fighting progress, PC, female advancement and any perceived threat to their superiority and status.

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 2:00 pm

    There’s too much misandry on this thread.

    Because any female opinion is too much for some.
    I know, why not hate on gillard, labor and unions, that seems to be popular.

  144. Beep Beep Misandry permalink
    November 25, 2012 2:06 pm

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/how-to-spot-a-misogynist-20120430-1xueh.html

    How to spot a misogynist

    1. If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East.

    The problems here are threefold. First, it implies women in the west should be grateful for the benevolence of their natural overlords. Who cares if 1 in 3 of you will experience sexual assault in your lifetime, while also enjoying the privilege of lower pay than your male counterparts and the symbolic annihilation of yourselves in literature and film? In case you didn’t know, women in Afghanistan are being stoned to death. So why don’t you just go ahead and submit your complaint to the STFU file known as my PENIS?

    2. How can women expect us to respect them when they won’t respect themselves?

    3. Stop criticizing domestic servitude! Some women are proud to look after their families.

    4. It’s a science thing

    5. Men are oppressed too, therefore women aren’t! Or something.

  145. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 2:15 pm

    ‘Because any female opinion is too much for some.’

    With all due respect, I voted for Julia at the last election because she is a woman. I can see now that was a big mistake, because she’s a typical politician and not the charismatic leader I had hoped for.

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 2:26 pm

    Beep Beep Misandry
    November 25, 2012 2:06 pm

    exactly 😆

  147. November 25, 2012 2:33 pm

    There was no public debate about the use of union funds for his election

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 3:02 pm

    There was no public debate about the use of union funds for his election

    hehe

    😳 😳 😳 😳 😳 😳 😳

  149. November 25, 2012 3:30 pm

    grodo put up a small sample of a post by Bushfire Bill at PollBludger

    Here it is in its entirety

    Mark Baker never HAD a story, a real one that is.

    All he has – at best – are some minor mistakes made in a busy law office, a few i’s and t’s left respectively un-dotted and un-crossed – maybe – and a 30-something woman caught up in an affair with a larrkin and his spiv mate who bamboozled her into doing some legal work for them that turned out to be hiding a confidence racket they were running with Theiss, the major construction outfit that put up most of the cash.

    She found out about it. She got out of both the affair and – soon after – the law firm.

    Her recollections made to her partners two or three years after the main dishonesty event were not illegal, or even improper and did not require police attention.

    But they have sure attracted the attention of the great moralizing wowsers of the press, in droves.

    Their own lives wouldn’t bear much scrutiny, I suspect, but that hasn’t stopped them from making judgement upon the lives of others.

    What DID require police attention was granted it at the time, and the cops found nothing substantial to go on.

    Today, in 2012, people who live, breathe and sleep with the documents in question and in their possession go through them with a nitpicker’s comb, expecting her to be able to answer questions off-the-cuff about who said what to whom, wrote wrote which memo, whether it had one signature or two, how many nights she stayed in the house, and whether she was prepared to swear on a stack of bibles that all the renovation work done on her home was paid for properly and above board, out of her personal funds.

    Was that chippy who was there for half an hour helping his mate out paid for out of the slush fund, or was he doing a favour for a mate who was behind schedule?

    Who knows? Who CARES? It was all such a long time ago.

    But the slightest retraction, clarification or contradiction – whether admitted or not – will be pounced upon by them like a pack of ravenous dogs, driven mad by hunger, thrown a scrap from their master’s table.

    The standards applied to Julia Gillard, examining more than half her adult life time, are ticked and flicked when it comes to Tony Abbott. He’s given a free pass for just about everything he’s ever done- wall-punching, Bernie Banton, his foul temper, his own slush find used against Pauline Hanson, his “illegitimate” child that caused him to run away from his girlfriend, only to turn out to someone else’s baby.

    His smears, when made in parliament, and when they cross the line, are followed by an apology to the Speaker made when the press gallery have all gone home to write up their rubbish stories about “The Arena of politics”. They are never reported and never replayed.

    It’s been the story of Abbott’s life: the Golden Boy who can always just say “Sorry”, and then resume offending just about everyone who comes across his path.

    Meanwhile, Gillard, a woman, has her entire life put through the wringer, focused through the lens of misogynists and exploiters (some of them women, to my disgust), political urgers, spivs, and lurk merchants with personal, pride, self-esteem or money-making agendas.

    Mark Baker is up before the Press Council soon, after a complaint by Slater & Gordon about a false story, and is desperate to pin anything on Gillard that he can possibly pin on her.

    Callers to 2GB and similar stations remember once when they recalled a file note from an old case a few years back, and then extrapolate that recollection (supplied without context) to all people and all files ever created, especially any file the PM dealt with, no matter how long ago.

    At heart the allegation seems to be – again, at best – that Gillard and Wilson conspired to stitch-up Blewitt into a contract for the purchase of property without his knowledge, falsifying records, issuing fabricated powers of attorney, back-dating documents and generally behaving like a 1990s’ version of Bonny and Clyde on a merry theft and fraudulent dealing spree, so besotted were they with each other.

    This is the best they can dredge up after 20 years of poring over files, inventing legal rules that never were rules in the first place and egging each other on further and further, trying to out-do each other with “questions that must be answered”.

    Not allegations, but prurient, voyeuristic, irrelevant and, in many cases, unanswerable “questions”.

    And when she says she can’t recall exactly what happened, they call it, like the AFR does today, “an excuse”.

    I would like Mark Baker, or Mike Stutchbury or Mike Smith or anyone else to tell me what they had for lunch, or who they spoke to, or what was in a letter received not only in another office, but in another building, by fax, on the 4th of February 1993. If they could – which they can’t – their smears might have more weight.

    Hartcher, surely a joke among his peers (he certainly is among his dwindling coterie of readers), comes up with some far-fetched scenario whereby the government will fall next week, more likely than not, via the vote of the Independents, after the Coalition moves a “No Confidence” motion, presumably.

    Except that every motion of this type the Coalition has ever threatened to move – from plebiscites to No Confidence – has on every occasion failed to materialise, or (in the case of the dozens and dozens of SSO motions they have moved) been roundly defeated time and time again, without one success.

    Hartcher cries rivers of crocodile tears that such an achieving government can’t get its message out, because “the media” are too obsessed with Slatergate to care about historic regulation of the Murray, our survival of the GFC,and over four hundred pieces of legislation successfully passed, with only one or two defeats.

    It’s the ultimate cynicism, isn’t it? The “Political and International Editor” of the Sydney Morning Herald has got the blood-lust up, and cannot bring himself to do what he pompously criticises others for not doing.

    The excuse is always “the politics” of the situation. It’s the worst excuse you could dredge up, but it suffices to do for just about every occasion. There’s always “the politics”.

    People like Hartcher have it in their power to change the media’s modus operandi, but do not deign to, even as their newspapers go broke and their shareholders weep in despair at the junk status of their investment. It’s just too easy to join the pack and yell, like T.E. Lawrence, “NO PRISONERS!” as they go in to slaughter the “enemy”.

    I don’t know what Gillard has done to upset the likes of Hartcher, and along with him, Blewitt, Stayne-Browne, Abbott, Hartcher, Grattan, Coorey, Rudd, Shanahan, Murdoch, Mark Baker, Mike Smith, the Bishop Twins, Mirabella and the scores of callers to shock-jock radio, except, perhaps to succeed where they have failed.

    Her success must gall them to the bone. She may be famously prone to clumsiness in high heels, but she’s sure-footed enough to avoid the traps that the above bunch of clowns set for her.

    She is a woman in survival mode. She will do anything to preserve her precious Labor government so that it can continue to govern and set the nation on an even keel. And the spivs and shonks, the low achievers and the outright crazies lined up against her cannot stand it.

    While they obsess over their little pieces of paper, putting 2+2 together and coming out with 5, while they microscopically examine every shread of “evidence” – giving her the benefit of the doubt over none of it – she travels, meets world leaders, inspires millions of women in millions of himes and offices all over the world, and just plain gets things done.

    I am so proud of her, and so ashamed of so many of my fellow countrymen and women for the envy and hatred, the petty jealousies and the compensations for their own failures to achieve that they harbour so mercilessly against her.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/18/nielsen-53-47-to-coalition-3/?comment_page=96/#comment-1480383

    A very accurate rendition of the current state of the ‘debate’ imo

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2012 3:53 pm

    What a lot of words that don’t actually say anything.

    Self serving.

    By the way, if any of those journalists were interested in being subjected to the same scrutiny as Gillard, they would probably try to become politicians. But they don’t hold public office, so I’m not sure of the purpose of that rant.

  151. November 25, 2012 4:08 pm

    What a lot of words that don’t actually say anything.

    That description reminds me of dot points actually 🙂

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2012 4:55 pm

    Tom R, I tend to confine my comments to a hundred self indulgent words.

    That some one produces a couple of thousand repetitive, fact free words that represent only a stream of consciousness, without structured, demonstrates only that they prefer tautologies to logic.

  153. November 25, 2012 5:40 pm

    repetitive

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 6:08 pm

    Don’t forget the sexual assault, the public vandalism and the RU486 bushfire bill.

    Thanks for that post by BB TomR, it really does put into words the ‘scandal’ that is a huge to do about nothing, and would be treated as such were it any male politician involved or any male lawyering.

    It’s been the story of Abbott’s life: the Golden Boy who can always just say “Sorry”, and then resume offending just about everyone who comes across his path.

    It’s the catholic way, that’s what the confessional is all about, say you’re sorry then go forth and carry on as usual. You are now innocent of wrongdoing.

    Who would’ve thought that australia would have such a case of mass [male] establishment hysteria! Everyone knows that women can’t be trusted, they are dishonest, lie to men and cheat – right? Tony Abbott’s deeply wounded male ego must be avenged.

    Since tony abbott has told the nation in his latest speech that australia is being invaded “a form of friendly invasion” are we now going to see increased attacks on migrants and ‘foreigners’ will the men be taking to the streets with their fists of iron, baseball bats, aussie flags, tattooos and booze after that call to arms.

    Is no-one going to be safe from the rampaging macho aussie, women attacked on buses, in the streets, in their own homes. It’s all julia gillard’s fault, it’s a war!

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 6:27 pm

    Blewitt’s sister’s words say something.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-23/cassidy-no-match-for-the-bagman-and-the-bogeyman/4386866

    …Penny: “… Ralph Blewitt is my brother, he is my older brother. He is as crooked as they come. It wasn’t Julia Gillard that stole the money. She might have set up the fund, and Wilson and Blewitt, Ralph Blewitt, were the crooks, not Julia Gillard. Ralph is out to make whatever he can make out of this for himself.”

    Murray: “… he appeared on the front page of The Australian newspaper saying ‘I’ll tell my whole story as long as I don’t get prosecuted’.”

    Penny: “Yeah, well, he is crooked as they bloody come. Sorry, but he is my older brother and I am telling you now he is rotten to the core.”

    Jon Faine, the host of the morning show on ABC 774 in Melbourne, read out the transcript on Thursday and asked: “Why hasn’t that appeared on the front page of The Age or The Australian?…

  156. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 6:53 pm

    Our democracy is colourful… so many interesting characters.

    “(She) knew absolutely, categorically nothing.”

    “Yeah, well, he is crooked as they bloody come.”

    It couldn’t happen in America or China.

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 9:46 pm

    Union Blocks Domino’s Minimum Wage

    …Today Fair Work Australia will hold a preliminary hearing into several Domino’s casual delivery drivers’ applications to terminate their enterprise agreement, negotiated by the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association (SDA) and their employer.

    According to these workers the SDA has prevented drivers from receiving at least the national minimum wage for casuals of $19.63 an hour, or a higher amount under the Fast Food Award, by refusing to terminate the 11-year-old agreement with Domino’s…

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2012 9:54 pm

    Our Government Fosters Racism

    …When the political elite openly advocate cruelty as an admirable trait, when the government consciously seeks advice on how to make refugees suffer, should we really be surprised that bored commuters get their kicks from bullying a foreigner? Aren’t those thugs on the bus simply replicating, in their own crude fashion, the meanness that’s now the accepted consensus about asylum seekers?…

  159. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 10:22 pm

    ‘ANOTHER 33 would-be asylum seekers have drowned on their way to Christmas Island in a boat tragedy that would have gone unreported if one man had not survived.

    ‘Mr Habib Ullah, 22, has told Fairfax Media how he survived three days in the water while watching his shipmates, all ethnic Hazara men from Afghanistan and Pakistan, drown one by one.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/boat-tragedy-claims-33-asylum-seekers-20121124-2a0gx.html#ixzz2DETDBw2G

  160. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 10:30 pm

    The Hazara are genuine refugees.

    http://www.hazarapeople.com/2012/11/20/hazara-genocide-continues-unabatedly/

  161. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 25, 2012 11:58 pm

    “1. If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East.”

    “What a moron often fails to notice”

    Mentioning the Middle East and inequality might have something to do with women there not having the right to vote, speak, be seen…By law the right of a husband to beat you, kill you or whatever he deems necessary. It might have to do with not having any access to education, work, birth control etc…LOL…

    Watch out ladies, it is the new conspiracy of the “WHITE MALE AND POWER STRUCTURE” to mention the most powerful politician in Australia is a woman but still bemoan impediments to woman in said country…I think we should start an investigation as to why there aren’t as many men in teaching or nursing for instance…Has to be a female conspiracy to keep men out…

  162. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:17 am

    el Gordo,

    “That is what their movement into the community with working rights, housing, health, education for their children and taxpayer-funded financial support does. We are creating a special category of publicly funded resident non-citizens with indeterminate status but with rights and benefits denied others.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/right-to-work-will-encourage-even-more-boat-arrivals/story-fn558imw-1226523764869

    Hmm, its’ almost like a “de-facto” immigration system since the political will (will of the people) is not in line with our political elites, “thinks Labor, or is it Democrat”, all the same….

    “In this respect Abbott is right, but either way widespread community resentment is inevitable, and a stipend plus the chance to work is likely to encourage even more boat arrivals.”

    Hmm…widespread resentment which will be deemed closet “racism” by Labor and its supporters to stymie more debate as “more boat arrivals” arrive and oh yes, happen to be “NON-WHITE”, how politically convenient (Sorry TB, must be racism to point out the ploy and use of racial politics)…They will then have families while on bridging visas and a familiar argument will be made about the “innocent children” and the oppositions desire to rip their families apart when they are deemed to be “economic migrants” not refugees or really in need of refuge…

    Guys, wake up…I know Australia has many unique qualities and is its own country, but this really is the same playbook being exploited by both political parties here in the States at the expense of the American middle class and the “illegal”…Who wins? Leftwing social policies and Rightwing business interests…Nothing new, same underlying problems….So bizarre nobody can seem to connect the political dots between our mutual countries…

  163. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 7:52 am

    So we’ll have to discourage them.

    This is the wrong thread…my two bob’s worth is for one large concentration camp at Ord River for all ‘illegal’ refugees. They will stay there indefinitely until they learn to speak English, gain a useful trade and discover the delights of playing Aussie Rules.

  164. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 7:57 am

    And they’ll work for the Chinese as agricultural workers….working for the dole.

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:17 am

    Has Gillard answered this question – why didn’t she tell the AWU about the fund? So that they could take steps to recover the money.

  166. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:53 am

    Has Gillard answered this question – why didn’t she tell the AWU about the fund?

    Yes

    PM: These matters started to come to attention in 1995 when they became the subject of controversy within the AWU itself. That is the first time that they came to my attention

    ….

    On the other issues you’ve raised with me, obviously I acted as a lawyer on instructions from the people giving me those instructions. You do not, as a lawyer, take instructions from a client and then take it into your head to work out who you should be conveying those instructions to. That’s the way that lawyers work.

    I think all of the other questions (relevant to anything) were answered here

    http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/transcript-press-conference-canberra-30

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:08 am

    Really? I think you might find there were several funds involved, and that the union was investigating some frauds and but was not aware of some others, that Gillard had been involved with.

    Regardless of whether or not she was involved in fraud, and I’ve not suggested that, it is all part of the mounting evidence that she prefers concealing to transparency.

    Gillard fails the character test.

  168. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:15 am

    Regardless of whether or not she was involved in fraud, and I’ve not suggested that.

    Are you pulling a bolt there?

    I’m not saying …….

    😆

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 11:03 am

    ??

    You’ll have to provide a degree of latitude here, because in the past, simply saying “Thomson has a case to answer” caused apoplexy among ALP barrackers.

    So I’m ensuring that I’m talking about the proven dubious character of Gillard, rather than anything that people may regard as criminal or fraudulent.

    But on the question of her actions in supporting her fraudulent boyfriend, there was apparently some knowledge of the fraud within the AWU, but there were several funds involved. Gillard could have assisted AWU to find the funds that rightly belonged to them, but she didn’t. They didn’t discover one of the funds for months.

    Gillard’s silence benefitted her (former) boyfriend, rather than protecting the interests of her fee paying client – the AWU.

    It’s all about character – and Gillard has a dubious one.

  170. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2012 11:20 am

    Gillard could have assisted AWU to find the funds that rightly belonged to them, but she didn’t.

    You didn’t read the answer she gave, did you!

    “Thomson has a case to answer”

    Is it fair to say that you have Questions To Answer over that statement? Since there is currently no ‘case’, what ‘answer’ are you expecting?

  171. November 26, 2012 11:47 am

    “Since there is currently no ‘case’, what ‘answer’ are you expecting?”

    Currently no case? The police are still investigating and have indicated that further charges against other individuals are likely.

    How about Thomson just tell police who mis-used his credit card?

    That would be nice for starters..

    Oh and stop lying about how Fairfax “settled” his defamation case.

    And stop lying about how NSW Police “cleared him” of any charges.

  172. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2012 11:50 am

    How about Thomson just tell police who mis-used his credit card?

    So, you are assuming that he knows?

    Yes, the police are looking for a case, this doesn’t mean there is one.

    I am sure that, when/if there is, we will be hearing about it.

    Until then, the chooks are still being fed.

  173. November 26, 2012 11:58 am

    Tom, Craig has previously admitted that he knows who mis-used his credit card, but has so far refused to reveal that identity of that individual or individuals.

    It doesn’t exactly smack of someone who is being open, transparent and cooperating with police does it.

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:19 pm

    Reading egg and splutter is like visiting, Strawberry Fields, for an afternoon … 😯

    (Note: The use of the term “concentration camp” seems appropriate …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Craig has previously admitted that he knows who mis-used his credit card, but has so far refused to reveal that identity of that individual or individuals

    erm … that’s a criminal offence … something not quite right there …

    http://www.armstronglegal.com.au/web/page/hindering_an_investigation

  175. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:19 pm

    Thomson will be charged by Christmas as the Victorian Police have finished investigations and are currently liaising with NSW Police on the matter.

    NSW Police could not charge him with anything as that particular part of the HSU was formed in Victoria and therefore outside their jurisdiction. NSW Police simply handed their file to Victoria but are continuing to investigate secret commission allegations as per the recent charging of Williamson.

    I wonder if the Australian’s Hedley Thomas pops up in Julia’s press conference at 1pm. He’s actually based in Brisbane.

    Has the Oz flown him down just in case such a snap press conference was called

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:25 pm

    Julia Gillard is upset that it has come to this – having to do a presser re abbott’s sleaze, you can hear it in her voice.
    But feisty and in fight mode, she is at her best when pushed like this.
    You’d think abbott would have the grace to be ashamed of himself, considering his own past behaviours, but he won’t, he’s too much of a bully and full of entitlement where he knows he is and never will be held to account for his own shit like this, he gets a free pass. He can make a glib denial with smirk plastered all over his face and the press go away.

  177. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:26 pm

    ‘The use of the term “concentration camp” seems appropriate …’

    Appropriate in the sense that its better than the Malaysian concentration camps and has nothing to do with Hitler.

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:30 pm

    Thomson slotted neatly into the rort laden culture of the HSU. So far he’s addressed himself to the least contentious of the FWA findings.

    He may not have behaved any more corruptly than Williamson, or even Jackson, but Thomson is the one who put himself forward as a leader in the community.
    =========
    When I was involved with unions, I didn’t find solicitors around helping set up ‘slush funds’.

    There were reasonable governance and audit procedures, and officials were entrusted to look after the money members had entrusted.

    Gillard’s behaviour is dubious.

  179. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:35 pm

    “According to people know him, he has been described as a complete imbecile, an idiot a stooge, a sexist big, a liar and his sister has said he’s a crook and rotten to his core. His word against mine – make your mind up.”

    How did Gillard get sidetracked to speak about Rudd ?

  180. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:40 pm

    The Press Conference is just another dose of “I don’t remember” “I don’t recall” “Its all just smear and innuendo” and “Its got to stop because its all so unfair”.

    Just more stonewalling

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:48 pm

    Just more stonewalling

    Perhaps it’s the truth. Why should she be recalling mundane, routine stuff from 17 yrs ago, it’s not as if she was punching walls or physically and sexually assaulting people!

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:52 pm

    …and even entrusted!

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:52 pm

    Hope abbott and his dogpack don’t have the gall to be wearing white ribbons.

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 1:58 pm

    Fkn cowardly bullyboy abbott would never be brave enough to stand and deliver on any and all questions re past.
    We all know it.
    I know whose character is a big fail and it ain’t gillard.

  185. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 2:02 pm

    She is very unconvincing.

    Seems she might get caught out by Sid Maher’s question in relation to why she created the reform association without a valid resolution from the AWU rather than just rely on instructions from her boyfriend.

    She claims a resolution was not needed. That’s very unusual

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 2:17 pm

    Interesting that Gillard is avoiding answering questions in parliament by saying that she’s answered them in a press conference!! She’s avoiding answering questions to avoid being accused of misleading parliament.

    Bizarre and yet more evidence of her dishonesty. It’s a crooked tactic.

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 2:20 pm

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/team-abbott-should-chart-a-new-course-20121125-2a1fd.html#ixzz2DIMd95hS

    …The Maurice Blackburn principal does a lot of work with unions and proffered the following context: ”Some home truths re union officials re-election funds: 1. Such funds are a dime a dozen and have been around for donkey’s years. 2. Usually a group of like-minded union officials regularly contribute a portion of their wages to the fund. 3. Such funds are not funds of the union but belong to the group of officials. Authorisation by the union is not required. 4. Lawyers often assist in setting up the fund structure but do not usually have any further role in the operation or management.”
    You’d hope for the health and heart of the labour movement that not all funds are quite as ”colourful” as the Australian Workers Union’s, but Bornstein’s context might be useful for people outside the industrial relations club – a world replete with largely impenetrable custom and practice…

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 2:45 pm

    hehe

    liberal party dirt unit & liberal party policy unit

    Note that abbott hides behind julie bishop’s skirts to maintain his attacks on gillard. Brave man! But will it cause bishop’s career goal to end?

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-story-that-killed-story.html

    …Julie Bishop, the Shadow Foreign Minister, had carriage of this line of attack upon the Prime Minister. Bishop is an experienced lawyer; she’s had cases die on her before today. When she acted for CSR against Wittenoom victims, her central and apparently sole tactical maneuver seemed to be to wait for plaintiffs to die. She’s brought the same level of savvy to this high-stakes affair, going into a knife-fight armed with a plastic splayd.

    She is up an environmentally-unfriendly creek without means of propulsion, and has nobody to blame but herself for not having spoken with Wilson drectly. Her predecessor as Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, Peter Costello, would never have allowed himself to be caught out to the extent that Bishop has. She is no use to her leader at all. She is never going to get Mal Washer to shut up about asylum-seekers now, never going to stitch together any sort of deal on wheat or any other important domestic issue, and will never be regarded in Jakarta or Geneva or anywhere else as anything more than a punchline. She’s finished…

  189. November 26, 2012 2:46 pm

    From Julia’s press conference…

    “Let me remind you who Mr Blewitt is,” she said.

    “Mr Blewitt is a man who has publicly said he was involved in fraud. Mr Blewitt is a man who has sought immunity from prosecution. Mr Blewitt is a man who has fled Indonesia to avoid a police interview in relation to land fraud, although he denies wrongdoing in the case.

    “Mr Blewitt says he owes money on another Asian land deal. Mr Blewitt admits to using the services of prostitutes in Asia. Mr Blewitt has published lewd and degrading comments and accompanying photographs on his Facebook page.

    “Mr Blewitt, according to people who know him, has been described as a complete imbecile, an idiot, a stooge, a sexist pig, a liar and his sister has said he’s a crook, and rotten to the core.”

    Well I’m just glad she didn’t attack him personally then, I mean that would just amount to a smear campaign wouldn’t it…?*

    *Sarcasm alert.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 2:59 pm

    When I was involved with unions, I didn’t find solicitors around helping set up ‘slush funds’

    So you went looking for one then, ToM? I believe with all this high handed repetitious bleating you’re trying to cover up something you must be guilty of when you were in the union … which union was it BTW … your from Victoria aren’t you?

    Se how easy it is to throw suspicion on someone? However … now I think about your past posts?*

    * wot sreb said …

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:01 pm

    Well I’m just glad she didn’t attack him personally then,

    C’mon, sreb, if we were personally attacked here we would it the torch too …

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:02 pm

    Well I’m just glad she didn’t attack him personally then, I mean that would just amount to a smear campaign wouldn’t it…?*

    Well, if he is what they call their ‘smoking gun’ they will live and die on his reputation, they’ve paid a lot of money for it, what’s that saying again “lie down with dogs, get up with fleas”.

    I think that after all this time, this sustained campaign to bring her down through smear and innuendo rather than evidence and fact [‘cos there isn’t any] she has the right.

    The Canberra volcano: “Questions the PM must answer”

    …So far, the weight of testimony has been strongly in the PM’s favour. Most key players have backed her accounts. These include Peter Gordon from Slater & Gordon, current S&G managing director, Andrew Grech, and former boyfriend and ex-official with the AWU Bruce Wilson.

    Several of those still in the attack squad have major problems with their own credibility.

    Leading the The Herald Sun’s campaign is serial liar Andrew Bolt. He was found in the Eatock v Bolt matter last year to have concocted much of his “evidence”. Earlier, in the Popovic matter, he was found guilty of “serious defamation”.

    Ralph Blewitt has been described by his sister Penelope Lennon as a compulsive liar.

    “He is as crooked as they bloody come. He’s rotten to the core.”

    Unfortunately for the Liberal Party, most of their hopes rely on the dubious testimony of Blewitt…

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:02 pm

    oops “hit the torch” – ie flame the bastard! (for splutter, they have trouble with Oz slang across the Peaceful Ocean …

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:12 pm

    smug bastard is the untouchable, unaccountable abbott, do your own dirty work you cowardly grub – stop hiding behind bishop’s skirts.

    And they reckon labor and unions dishonest – after grech, ashby, slipper, fwa [lawler] and this awu fiasco, how can they possibly have a shred of credibility with the public. Should be seen as the political mafia that they are.

  195. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:22 pm

    Channeling the Bolter

    ‘Asks to be able to table a 1997 letter from the WA state crime squad stating Thiess donated to the slush fund believing it was an authorised union entity and would not have done so had it known otherwise.

    ‘Permission denied.’

    Damn good strategy by Gillard.

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:23 pm

    timdunlop ‏@timdunlop
    Wonder if that will be final episode of Julie Bishop CSI?…

    …chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    Quite cruel Speaker of the House ordering Julie Bishop to resume her seat. Julia Gillard PM has kicked her ass pretty hard. #auspol…

    …Bernard Keane ‏@BernardKeane
    Opposition questions have switched from trying to catch PM out on facts to asserting general wrongdoing and demanding she deny it #qt…

    A parliamentary apology and a possible RC into defence force sexual assault and one on the way re child sex abuse.

    Would this country have ever seen this under a liberal government? Would the victims have ever had their day in court, seen their abusers in the dock?

  197. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:50 pm

    So the gutless and cowardly PM refuses to answer questions and be held accountable to the Parliament preferring to give a Press Conference instead.

    I don’t remember voting for Laurie Oakes or Michelle Grattan to represent me in Canbera.

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 3:54 pm

    So the gutless and cowardly PM refuses to answer questions and be held accountable to the Parliament preferring to give a Press Conference instead.

    Isn’t that what abbott does on a daily basis?

  199. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:02 pm

    This matter will rightly dog Gillard right up until the Election. Plus once we get some criminal acts from Boaters from that other “policy failure” who cant support themselves on $220 per week the electorate will be absolutely livid at this carcass of a government

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:04 pm

    When the best excuse for the dishonest tactics of the Prime Minister is – well Abbott does it, Gillard is sunk.

    People expect Prime Ministers to lead standards, not to default to whatever the opposition is doing.

    But leadership and standards have never been Gillard’s strong points.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:20 pm

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:20 pm

    oops correction

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:21 pm

    People expect Prime Ministers to lead standards, not to default to whatever the opposition is doing.

    No tomM, people expect the same standards to be applied to both.

    People know that one female politician should not be subjected to a sustained attack on her past and personal relationships when male politicians do not have the same scrutiny applied.

  204. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:25 pm

    “People know that one female politician should not be subjected to a sustained attack on her past and personal relationships when male politicians do not have the same scrutiny applied.”

    Dont hookers count as personal relationships ?

  205. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:26 pm

    Plus once we get some criminal acts from Boaters from that other “policy failure” who cant support themselves on $220 per week the electorate will be absolutely livid at this carcass of a government

    Aren’t they the same people that the pollies are pandering to with their ‘stop the boats/punish them for coming’ policies?

    Why don’t they just donate some goods to the asylum seekers – how compassionate would that be?

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:41 pm

    The school one of my kids attends is having a huge fund raising activity for asylum seekers, and facilitating lots of classroom discussion.

    I think it is all very beneficial for children to question the political motives and ethics of all politicians.

    To TB I’d say…so much for ‘private school bullies’.

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 4:56 pm

    To TB I’d say…so much for ‘private school bullies’.

    Are your kids primary/secondary or tertiary age tomM, boarding at the school or live at home? makes a huge difference. Seems it is the uni age group that has the bullying culture an expectation of born-to-rule wealth & privilege and parents paying for a promised future career success, no matter how undeserving the student is.

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 5:03 pm

    To TB I’d say…so much for ‘private school bullies’.

    ToM, your’e beginning to post like, egg and splutter (shakes head) … in what context was that remark made? I think the school fund raiser and subsequent discussion is commendable …

    If you are referring to my use of, John Howard & The Private School Bullies … it has always been in reference to and in context with, thier behaviour as priveleged adult bullies behaving as private school bullies (in fact “public school” as it’s termed in the UK) as portrayed in many older movies … nothing remotely to do with your schoolchildren nor anyone else’s …

    Really don’t know what your attempting to …

    Ahhhh … did I hit a nerve with one of my previous posts concerning you’re involvement with the union … 😆

    An unusual, and not random attack from you, ToM … so it must have an underlying reason …

    You play chess I take it? Attack is always the best form of defence …

    S’alright I don’t plan to pursue the issue …

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 5:10 pm

    …An imaginary dog ‏@EnoTheWonderdog
    @ChrisMurphys Chris, do you reckon there’s anything to the stuff Lll’ Bish is spouting? Seems to be all procedural rather than a smoking gun

    6m chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    The only fraud has been extravagant meritless LIB vandalism of Parlt sittings costing at least $1.5m per day. @EnoTheWonderdog #auspol

    The Gillard Dirt File, got binders full of gillard.

    PHOTO: LOTO TonyAbbott’s COS Peta Credlin speaks with DeputyLOTO Julie Bishop at end of #qt #thepulselive #auspol twitter.com/ellinghausen/s…— Alex Ellinghausen (@ellinghausen) November 26, 2012

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 5:15 pm

    I’m in moderation, for my last post?

    …An imaginary dog ‏@EnoTheWonderdog
    @ChrisMurphys Chris, do you reckon there’s anything to the stuff Lll’ Bish is spouting? Seems to be all procedural rather than a smoking gun

    6m chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
    The only fraud has been extravagant meritless LIB vandalism of Parlt sittings costing at least $1.5m per day. @EnoTheWonderdog #auspol

    The Gillard Dirt File, got binders full of gillard.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8mbJdpCAAAtXLo.jpg:large

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 5:18 pm

    AO – the school has classes from prep to year 12. The program covers all ages, and the entire school is involved.

    It’s a good ethical activity and there are plenty of articulate young people who are turning into effective advocates for asylum seekers.

    I don’t get the sense that there is any born to rule or born to privilege attitude.
    =========
    It is a very well equiped school, and the $millions$$ spent on the performing arts centre is unnecessary. It looks like the interior of the Opera House.

    …but thanks anyway Wayne.

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 5:30 pm

    …but thanks anyway Wayne.

    I’m sure others [who are not quite so ideologically opposed to labor] like it and asked for it.

    I don’t get the sense that there is any born to rule or born to privilege attitude.

    The trouble seems to come from the adult students [as TB says] the ones whose wealthy parents have paid for a guaranteed successful career through the old boy/old school tie network.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 6:09 pm

    I don’t get the sense that there is any born to rule or born to privilege attitude.

    If your “in” you wouldn’t … try visiting a state school for comparison … one particular Catholic school near me looks like a palace …

    Your “complaint” is that the government spent too much on private schools – and as you know I agree wholeheartedly — unfortunately, if the money had ONLY been available to state schools (and/or means tested private schools) … there would have been a hue and cry about the “unfairness” by the very parents you rub shoulders with every day (you do actually go into the school?) … rock ‘n’ hard place AND the decision HAD to be made quickly …

  214. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 6:27 pm

    ‘ToM, your’e beginning to post like, egg and splutter’

    Without dot points?

  215. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 6:36 pm

    Blewett is a ”sexist pig”, ”imbecile” and ”crook”, said joolya.

    Hmmm…..

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 7:25 pm

    Hmmm…..

    Ring a bell, egg? 🙄

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 7:47 pm

    Apologies for the length of quote, the article deserves a read in full. Scroll past if bored with it all.

    The mechanics of how a smear campaign was legitimised

    …What began as a smear campaign against the Prime Minister became a major media story only a few days ago, when it stopped being merely a News Ltd smear campaign…

    …What was intriguing about the campaign at this stage was that it was strongly gender-based. The campaign was being run entirely by older white conservative males. The Australian is staffed and run almost entirely by such people. The shock jocks giving constant airtime to it are the same. The bloggers and net trolls obsessing about it online, too, are the same demographic. That, of course, is the same demographic and the same media figures that drove the anti-carbon price and climate denialist protests, as well as the debacle of the “convoy of no consequence” campaign.

    Indeed there are strong themes running through all of these campaigns: Gillard is an illegitimate Prime Minister, she has no morality, and her lack of morality and incompetence is somehow linked to her gender — it’s an easy segue from “Bob Brown’s b-tch” to Bruce Wilson’s dupe, although of course her enemies have been anxious to suggest that Gillard may well have been even worse than a simple dupe…

    …But much of the Gallery spectacularly missed the significance of the Prime Minister’s misogyny speech, partly because they were doing their day job of analysing the tactical battle on the floor of Parliament, but also, one suspects, because they failed to understand how much it would resonate with women who routinely put up with s-xism in their working lives. Tribal behaviour is at work here on this story as well and that can’t be understood without reference to gender….

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2012 7:55 pm

    This ALP government MUST be the worst in the last 100 years … with the economy going downhill I couldn’t understand all those wankers at Bunnings on the weekend either!

    http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/workers-now-happiest-they-have-been-in-ages-finds-study/story-e6frfm9r-1226523667481

    FMD! Who to believe? Tony (I never tell a a lie) — or Julia (Liberals keep calling me a liar)

    Just leave my bit of fkn pension alone!

  219. November 26, 2012 7:59 pm

    “Just leave my bit of fkn pension alone!”

    Typical fkn baby boomer….

    Only ever thinking about temselves……

    😉

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:01 pm

    I honestly don’t believe the reporting about GIllard’s dubious past is gender based.

    If Abbott has somehow participated in fraud, via his partner, of the concrete plant he once ran, it would be a legitimate story. If he’d set up as slush fund to attack a union, rather than Hanson, he’d cop plenty of analysis.

    Gillard has shown incompetence, poor judgement and maybe has (inadvertently) facilitated fraud.

    To me, that’s worth knowing about, and it’s in the public interest to provide an insight into the character and background of politicians.

  221. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:16 pm

    ‘it’s in the public interest to provide an insight into the character and background of politicians.’

    Maybe, the Amerikans do it with great seriousness, but I hanker for the good old days of attacking party platform and not characters.

    Still, its worth thinking about.

  222. maggie atlas permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:25 pm

    I think they protest too much with nothing to take to court and believe they are grabbing anything to ensure nothing of real importance to the voting public get’s and airing. They have to ensure that Mr Abbott’s interviews are staged and he is not challenged. Oh for an ABC of the past assume Howard neutered the ABC along with the unions.

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:32 pm

    If he’d set up as slush fund to attack a union, rather than Hanson, he’d cop plenty of analysis.

    No he wouldn’t, look at all he’s done this year, ashby/slipper, thomsen, lawler/jackson, he certainly hasn’t copped any fall out from it.
    I don’t believe this constant stream of ‘union corruption mongering’ isn’t a strategy from abbott and his backers. They are union bashing as a political strategy to attack the government – guilt by association. I think that you are incapable of being objective about it tomM. The same tea party type hatreds were used on obama, the racism etc. In gillard’s case they have used the entrenched sexism of aussie males, the anti-feminist and anti-PC haters who blame women for their own failings.

    Gillard has shown incompetence, poor judgement and maybe has (inadvertently) facilitated fraud.

    Abbott has shown the same with his foot-in-mouth disease, his repeated sexism and chauvinism, his rolling campaigns of lies, smears and manufactured scandal.
    The public have been turned off and want him no longer heard.

    You can only see gillard as painted by abbott, you don’t think there is a reason that he wants to demonise and destroy her?

    I dunno, perhaps it’s a male thing, perhaps you just can’t see what women can, after all we see it every single day of our working lives.

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:46 pm

    Gillard has shown incompetence, poor judgement and maybe has (inadvertently) facilitated fraud.

    No she hasn’t, she did what lawyers do, she has no control over what the client does. Using your same logic, julie bishop must be responsible for the asbestos deaths when she acted for her clients.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:57 pm

    I think they protest too much with nothing to take to court and believe they are grabbing anything to ensure nothing of real importance to the voting public get’s and airing.

    That’s right maggie, if the govt is so busy defending rubbish, manufactured ‘scandals’ the public doesn’t get to know the good work they’ve done, the many achievements and the coalition doesn’t get scrutiny of their bare policy cupboard, extremist economics [IPA, CIS, HR Nicholls] and their silly teabagger social retardism.

    * I note that steven smith and bill shorten took full advantage of the media spotlight today, to ensure we know how progressive they’ve been in changing the entrenched sexism of defence and workplace bullying.

  226. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 9:59 pm

    ‘you don’t think there is a reason that he wants to demonise and destroy her?’

    His comments have been well measured and its the Opposition’s job in a democracy to bring the government down.

    ‘I dunno, perhaps it’s a male thing, perhaps you just can’t see what women can, after all we see it every single day of our working lives.’

    Feminist misandry… men are not all the same and I for one take offence at being lumped together.

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:02 pm

    No, the incompetence was in not creating a file that could be monitored by the equity partners. This way Gillard exposed S&G to considerable damage – financially and reputation. They lost their client – the biggest union in the country. Their reputation was seriously damaged.

    Gillard’s actions were incompetent, to put it in its most favourable light.

    Poor judgment was letting her boyfriend get her to do work – which ultimately proved damaging to her career, the interests of her employer and to their fee paying client.

    ” ashby/slipper, thomsen, lawler/jackson, he certainly hasn’t copped any fall out from it.

    Why should those issues reflect on anyone other than the very shady dealings of Gillard and her cohorts?

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:26 pm

    His comments have been well measured and its the Opposition’s job in a democracy to bring the government down.

    C’mon be serious. His comments get him in trouble every time he utters them, he offends whenever he opens his mouth.
    The opposition’s job is to offer an alternative government for the people to choose from, not to bring the government down through any means possible.

    [bernard keane] Indeed there are strong themes running through all of these campaigns: Gillard is an illegitimate Prime Minister, she has no morality, and her lack of morality and incompetence is somehow linked to her gender…

    The psychology behind it, the deep rooted fear, belief and insecurity of males that “women can’t be trusted”, played out in public and on a grand scale. Aiming for the vote of the men who will never accept women as equals. I’m pleased abbott’s been called on it. It took her a long time though, gillard was not going to dignify it, wanted to show she could be a winner in the male dominated arena, but even she didn’t think they’d be as vicious, lowdown and brutal.

    The gender card was played hard and early by abbott, it has now swallowed him up. I have no sympathy at all, couldn’t happen to a nastier person. If he spent the rest of his life exercising for charity, assisting the disabled and muttering hail mary’s – he still couldn’t make up for his political and personal thuggery, corruption & bribery behind the scenes to gain office and offensive attitudes.

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:32 pm

    Feminist misandry… men are not all the same and I for one take offence at being lumped together.

    Well I do take note of your comments here el gordo and you haven’t come across as a supporter of female equality to me in the way that TB and toiletboss manage to do.

    comments like ‘feminist misandry’ certainly don’t help your case either.

  230. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:49 pm

    ‘The opposition’s job is to offer an alternative government’ when the election is called.

    ‘you haven’t come across as a supporter of female equality to me’

    That’s not true, I was one of the few males to attend Bev Kingston’s history lectures. I’ve been a supporter from the get go.

  231. Santa Claus permalink
    November 26, 2012 10:54 pm

    “…But much of the Gallery spectacularly missed the significance of the Prime Minister’s misogyny speech, ”

    Exactly

    It was an extraordinary speech to make to defend Peter Slipper’s perverted views on women.

  232. el gordo permalink
    November 26, 2012 11:33 pm

    “If you are so certain, Mr Wilson, that she has nothing to answer then you should immediately release Nick Styant-Browne, Slater & Gordon and another law firm Maurice Blackburn of client privilege confidentiality,” Mr Blewitt said.

    “Notify them that you wish to allow them to release any documents or files that they have.”

  233. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:03 am

    ‘The opposition’s job is to offer an alternative government’ when the election is called.

    Nothing effective about an expensive waste of public funds in tying up parliament business with ridiculous personal smears [with no accusation] from 17 yrs ago. For an opposition that screams “where will the money come from” at every opportunity, they should be ashamed about the $ they are wasting each day.

    “Notify them that you wish to allow them to release any documents or files that they have.”

    Why should she give them the satisfaction? No-one else ever has to do so to defend what are slurs. The privacy and privilege afforded to any other individual in the land is not to be granted to julia gillard?
    It’s like obama being asked to present his birth certificate because the teabaggers have accused him of not being american.

    If she has done nothing wrong, she shouldn’t need to ‘prove’ so to their satisfaction. They’ll then keep on throwing up any fabricated shit they can find and keep asking her to prove her innocence – ridiculous stuff!

  234. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 8:28 am

    ‘If she has done nothing wrong,’

    Release the files… we will accept the truth.

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 8:55 am

    You’re right AO – Gillard doesn’t have to prove anything, she can choose to stick with her current tactics and accept all the flack that goes with it.

    Gillard has a chequered history when it comes to the transparency of her actions, and people are interested in her character.

    Simply repeating “I’ve done nothing wrong” isn’t good enough. Her behaviour and actions were very questionable, and Slater & Gordon confirmed this morning that there was a conflict of interest.

    This conflict of interest cost S&G their biggest client, their reputation, it cost Gillard her legal career… and a company doesn’t lose its biggest client without suffering some other job cuts.

    I recall that the AWU was almost insolvent at that time, in part because the union had been plundered by Gillard’s boyfriend, using slush funds that she had helped set up.
    ————————-
    Apparently providing advice on how to establish a slush fund, liaising with government regulators on its compliance isn’t “helping” establish it!!

    The blinkers are remarkably effective!

  236. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 8:59 am

    Gillard doesn’t have to prove anything

    Finally, yomm gets it.

    When there is nothing to prove, you don’t need to prove anything

    Slow, but getting there yomm 😉

    I wonder when ulman will catch up, provided he is given the opportunity to?

  237. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 9:36 am

    Quite clearly her performance yesterday was quite pathetic especially that bullshit about not being in a position to report something to Police because at the time there was nothing to report.

    The AWU had already shown Wilson the door after it found out about the Victorian slush fund he was running.

    For her and Slater & Gordon not to mention to the AWU of the existence of a separate WA slush fund he had set up after all that is extraordinary .

    Fits nicely with

    *all the missing files,

    *the question still unanswered whether she signed the PoA in Blewitts presence,

    *the ignoring of Union rules in relation to setting up bank accounts (which she had given written advice about),

    *the lies she told the WA Corporate Affairs about the funds purpose.

    *the $5,000 she cant recall.

    *all the correspondence addressed to her that she claims she never saw

    She really shouldn’t ask people to decide on who to believe between her and Blewitt.

    It’s a pretty simple question to answer.

  238. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 9:40 am

    “If she has done nothing wrong, she shouldn’t need to ‘prove’ so to their satisfaction. ……It’s like obama being asked to present his birth certificate because the teabaggers have accused him of not being american. ”

    Which he did.

    Which basically contradicts your whole argument about her not having to release anything

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 9:44 am

    I don’t know about you Tom R, but I prefer Prime Ministers who are answerable to parliament rather than to the press conference.

    But what do you think…did she “help” establish the slush fund?

  240. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 9:52 am

    did she “help” establish the slush fund?

    No. She did legal work on the association.

    I thought you were a lawyery type ❓

    And now, she should release her birth-certificate 😯
    (sarc..for people who think it is exactly the same thing)

    ROFL

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:17 am

    She provided legal advice and she liaised with government authorities, now you’re saying that her actions weren’t helpful to the establishment of the slush fund?

    Interesting to note also that Slater & Gordon identified conflict of interest as the reason for the loss of their biggest client.

    I wonder how many S&G employees lost their jobs at that time.

  242. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:22 am

    weren’t helpful to the establishment of the slush fund?

    She may have provided legal help in setting up the association the fund was set up through, but she did not provide any help in setting up the fund itself.

    They are different things.

    Do you deny this?

    For ulman to have been correct (A big call I acknowledge), he should have said she helped setting up the vehicle which was used to set up the fund.

    He got it wrong, after being warned very specifically that very day to get it right.

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:25 am

    … and people are interested in her character.

    No, ToM, people like you are interested in destroying it (you are just a tiny cog in the LibNits machine ) … a big difference … in fact if you read back over your posts for the last two years you already “know” the Prime Minister’s character … you just want to clone everyone to be like you …

    I thought you were a lawyery type

    You have to be fkn joking! 😯

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:29 am

    So she helped set up the slush fund that became the slush fund.

    …and that’s not being helpful in getting the slush fund started?

    Meanwhile, the AWU was being sent (almost) into insolvency, and Gillard didn’t assist her fee paying client (the AWU) recover the funds that she knew had been misappropriated by her (by now) former boyfriend.

  245. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:29 am

    You have to be fkn joking!

    it fits with the tone of this whole ‘debate’ 😉

  246. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:34 am

    So she helped set up the slush fund that became the slush fund.

    lol, yomm cums in to prove he’s only joking too 🙂

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:34 am

    I noticed the news reports, 7:30 Report and Lateline all struggled to make it a story but you could see the wind dropping out of the sails … (apologies to Leigh 🙂 )

    This is a last stand by Abbott & The Thumbsuckers … and all Julie Bishops poncing around play-acting her lawyer role in Parliament won’t help either … the punters are running out of patience, methinks … with the Opposition …

    Did anyone really think that Blewitt was a credible person after watching his shifty, cross eyed, responses last night? I wouldn’t buy a push bike off the bastard let alone his story … talk about a fully paid up, fall guy … the LibNits really have become bottom feeders …

    And the Prime Minister’s response to choose between her and Blewitt was really unnecessary …

  248. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:41 am

    ‘You have to be fkn joking!’

    I blame you for the absence of James.

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:41 am

    Maybe it’s in the ALP’s best interests to let the LibNits continue atacking the Prime Minister and let the other Ministers get on with doing what we pay them for … nothing will come of the Opposition’s BS and the punters will eventually see through it (many are now) …

    Come election the LibNits will look like even bigger fools and the government will finally be able to tell the public just what has been going in … the economy is functioning well … the sky is still up there … pig’s have not taken to the air … and while the LibNits have been formulating to bring down the Prime Minister … they have not been formulating the policies to offer the people … good journalist will have a ball — both of them …

  250. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:42 am

    If a boyfriend owed a girl $5,000 for something or rather and repaid the debt I think most women would recall the circumstances of the debt 17 years later and whether it was repaid and what it was specifically for.

    No one is asking for the date the amount was forwarded or repaid just the circumstances as to why the transaction occurred.

    Perhaps she should call Bruce Wilson and ask him to refresh her very poor memory.

  251. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:44 am

    “Did anyone really think that Blewitt was a credible person after watching his shifty, cross eyed, responses last night? I wouldn’t buy a push bike off the bastard let alone his story ”

    Yes,

    They say you can tell alot about the character of a person by the company they keep

  252. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:50 am

    Joolya’s stone walling is reasonably good strategy on the last sitting week before the break, considering the weight she’s carrying, but the PM is trumped by Bishop, a female lawyer of similar age.

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:55 am

    I blame you for the absence of James.

    Knowing how post abstractedly, egg, I assume you mean me?

    James Farnham, fucked off to play with the Bolt Boors … nothing to do with me … he’s a big boy … and he actually said he would “never” leave TDT … he and I have been sparring on various blogsfor over six years … I’ll email him if you miss him so much …

    The issue that you refer to was his comment that there was a difference between “active” and “passive” smoking (a ridiculous assertion) … he was taken to task (and not just by me) … he simply couldn’t bring himself to say he was wrong … unlike those who took him to task … some of whom have happily apologised to Trashers over the years for mistakes, or inconsistencies, or a change of belief …

    And, yes, as a lawyer in training he need to be taken to task over some of his statements …

  254. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:58 am

    I blame you for the absence of James.

    We owe you a debt we cannot repay TB 🙂

    Joolya’s stone walling

    Yea, another hour long press conference answering all questions and it’s still ‘Joolya’s stone walling ‘

    ROFL

    what a joke

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:12 am

    Which basically contradicts your whole argument about her not having to release anything

    Rubbish, obama did so, against the wishes of most who felt he should not be demeaning himself by giving credence to the birther nutjobs.

    If lawyer/client confidentiality is not respected for the PM then it is not reliable for any citizen of the land. May as well do away with the profession.

    I blame you for the absence of James.

    james was always going to go out in solidarity with tony. Apparently it’s OK when the ‘usuals’ [and I include el gordo in that since he feels a need to be part of a pack mentality] are shouting down and abusing/ganging up on any ‘lefties’ in the place but if they happen to find themselves on the opposite side of majority opinion, they can’t hack it and spit the dummy.

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:15 am

    You do a lot of blaming and accusing don’t you el gordo.

    You don’t think grown up people are responsible for their own actions and decisions?

    I remember you on a number of occasions trying to blow the bugle to ‘rally the troops’ and incite a gang-up yourself.

  257. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:19 am

    “Yea, another hour long press conference answering all questions and it’s still ‘Joolya’s stone walling ‘”

    Did she answer truthfully ?

    In which case she should have no problem answering to Parliament.

    But strangely she’s reluctant to.

    That says it all. She’s a liar

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:20 am

    I think it is interesting that Gillard is willing to say stuff to the press that she declines to say in parliament.

    Dodginess seems to be in her DNA.

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:26 am

    …and let the other Ministers get on with doing what we pay them for … nothing will come of the Opposition’s BS and the punters will eventually see through it (many are now)

    yes TB, I know, we’ve got the court of public opinion to go yet.
    Wait til we have julie bishop attacked [since abbott is hiding behind her] and the fight for the moral high ground. Slater & Gordon fought for asbestosis/mesothelioma victims and julie bishop and her firm acted for the company and used the strategy of ‘let’s just stall til they die off’ to avoid payouts.

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:27 am

    There are plenty who have self selected out – and it is generally a pity.

    Some just can’t take the level of scrutiny that is applied political arguments here.

    Others just got proved wrong too many times, and this was used in evidence against them. A few just ran out of things to say.

    Generally it’s a pity.

  261. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:37 am

    Others just got proved wrong too many times, and this was used in evidence against them. A few just ran out of things to say

    Those that fit the above criteria and stayed were reduced to dot points 🙂

  262. November 27, 2012 11:39 am

    “james was always going to go out in solidarity with tony…..if they happen to find themselves on the opposite side of majority opinion, they can’t hack it and spit the dummy.

    Agreed. Apparently I was guilt of goading Tony…

    In other words, asking him to explain his point of view.

    One thing I always found interesting was the way in which James and Tony had an intense hatred of N5 often accusing him of just sniping from the sidelines without holding an opinion, when in fact Tony was regularly guilty of the same conduct..

    Anyway, who cares….

  263. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:41 am

    “Julie bishop and her firm acted for the company and used the strategy of ‘let’s just stall til they die off’ to avoid payouts.”

    Bishop has agreed to answer all questions put to her as she claims she has nothing to hide. All Albasleazy has is a newspaper opinion/article

    In Gillards case other internal documents have surfaced

    Time for the Gillard to do the same

  264. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:05 pm

    James always offered good legal advice….

  265. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:08 pm

    ‘I’ll email him if you miss him so much …’

    His opinion would be appreciated.

  266. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:15 pm

    His opinion would be appreciated.

    Yea, yomms jokes are getting stale

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:20 pm

    I can’t be certain, but I’m not sure N5 is completely out. A comment made to me recently had a familiar content and tone.

    I’d be entirely happy for the comments to continue, it’s one of the reasons I don’t object to sock puppets.

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:41 pm

    One thing I always found interesting was the way in which James and Tony had an intense hatred of N5 often accusing him of just sniping from the sidelines without holding an opinion, when in fact Tony was regularly guilty of the same conduct.

    I just couldn’t ‘get’ the disconnect of james when you accused tony of sniping without opinion and james said it was OK because “he understood where he was coming from.” So it appeared to me that it is quite OK if it comes from the same ideological side as yourself, but not to be tolerated if from the ‘other’ side!

    Besides, what did tony have to hide anyway? It wasn’t as if he was being asked to identify himself, his workplace or his private business just offer a personal opinion and perhaps give the industry/experience he has rather than mocking those of others.

    Anyway, it all became very personal and nasty, it was a shame because N5 was knowledgeable and I for one found him witty and informative [maybe that was the problem].

    tony and james never had a problem with ‘lefties’ being driven off the site because of their sustained ridicule/personal abuse [btw, I don’t recall tony being personally abusive, more ridiculing/mocking and ‘setting the scene’ for others like james and walrus in all his disguises – ratty/2dt shockjock etc].

    They probably like it better over at bolt’s sheltered workshop, can be as mendacious and abusive as they like, it is positively encouraged and the numbers are stacked by the mods.

    I didn’t hate them, or wish them to leave, but perhaps I don’t take it all personally [unless attacked on a personal level].

    I can’t be certain, but I’m not sure N5 is completely out. A comment made to me recently had a familiar content and tone.

    hope so!

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:48 pm

    Slater & Gordon fought for asbestosis/mesothelioma victims

    You may recall, I spent a frustrating couple of years with JH, KL … in a senior H&S position … I highly recommend “Devil Dust” gives a glimpse only of the mindset of JH execs but does it well!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    James always offered good legal advice….

    At the risk of repeating myself … ‘You have to be fkn joking!’ 🙄

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I confess I to having a couple of stoushes early with ABBA/N5 (re education and training) but came to respect and value his knowledge and insight … particularly with regard to past Queensland governments – this one must make him shudder!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    His opinion would be appreciated.

    Oh fk! Not again … ‘You have to be fkn joking!’ 🙄

  270. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 12:50 pm

    ‘You have to be fkn joking!’

    Its hard to tell without a smiley face…Poe’s Law.

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:04 pm

    You may recall, I spent a frustrating couple of years with JH, KL … in a senior H&S position … I highly recommend “Devil Dust” gives a glimpse only of the mindset of JH execs but does it well!

    I watched it TB and thought it great, it will be fresh in the public’s mind if julie bishop’s past is put under the microscope]. Feel the ABC has had some excellent shows recently while the other channels are offering up rubbish. I highly recommend ‘Dangerous Remedy’ [battle of anti abortion campaigner bertie wainer], ‘Redfern Now’ [compelling viewing’] and I like the broody, almost depressed detective ‘Wallender’ [kenneth branagh brilliant acting, I can ‘feel’ his emotions]

  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:08 pm

    sorry should explain:

    battle of anti abortion campaigner = battle of anti backyard abortion campaigner

    he wasn’t anti abortion, he was for safe abortion [if the choice was necessary]

  273. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:26 pm

    “………and walrus in all his disguises – ratty/2dt shockjock etc].”

    I must say I do miss JAWS

  274. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:41 pm

    Gillards ex Bruce Wilson is to give a TV interview. This might actually make it worse for her rather than better

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:41 pm

    LOL! LOL! LOL! Wally, Wally Wally ….

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, watched Dangerous Remedy … and agree … sad ending though for the women “helping”, those who needed abortions … bit like the stupidity in Ireland right now … the religions but more particularly the Mick lot .. have a lot to answer for, with their dabbling in and wrecking human lives …

    Wallander – a big fan of Brannagh in this … (The Minister thinks he’s a sook I think) but he is brillant at demonstrating how human drama impacts on a person and his/her work … (didn’t like the original Danish series so much) …

    I have avoided Redfern … like I avoided The Slap … no reason ….

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:42 pm

    This might actually make it worse for her rather than better

    I love positive thinking … 😉

  277. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2012 2:07 pm

    I have avoided Redfern … like I avoided The Slap … no reason ….

    I watched both, liked The Slap too, I like dramas with lots of characters and emotions. Sounds a bit like the movie Once Were Warriors for me, some are very difficult to watch.

    I would have to disagree with the minister this time, I really really like branagh in wallender, the eyes so expressive, the way his work makes him broody and depressed, so human and feeling [except perhaps to those who live with him].

  278. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 27, 2012 5:03 pm

    “Gillards ex Bruce Wilson is to give a TV interview.”

    I wonder if Gillard will attack him as forthrightly as she did Blewitt? Or maybe Bruce is more credible than Blewitt in Gillard’s gimlet eyes?

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:01 pm

    Just to break up the silliness …

    Just arrived in my inbox …

    An elderly man was stopped by the police around 2 am and was asked where he was going at that time of night.

    The man replied, “I’m on my way to a lecture about alcohol abuse and the effects it has on the human body, as well as smoking and staying out too late!

    The officer then asked, “Really? Who’s giving that lecture at this time of night?”

    The man replied, “That would be my wife.”

    😛 guilty 😛

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:07 pm

    Welcome to da Queensland Diktatorship …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/brisbane-mp-carl-judge-will-decide-by-the-end-of-the-week-whether-to-leave-the-lnp/story-fndo4ckr-1226524524710

    Seig!

    How the Liberals (the National Party is now a spent force – they know it its time the punters know it too!) view democracy … need a brownshirt or armband? I’ll put you in contact with a Jewish tailor I know! How fkn stupid are these people?

    Shades of a New Federal Liberal Government!

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