Julia Gillard: Pants on Fire!

She said she didn’t know about the mortgage. That’s a lie.

Ignoring all of the other failed dot points for now, where is the evidence for that?

Correspondence was provided to her.

Her name is all over the documentation.
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Fine, it’s criminal. I was going casy on Gilland.

Her name is all over the documentation.

Heard of para-legals yomm?

“Heard of para-legals yomm? “

“……….Generally paralegals are not admitted to practise law (except for those paralegals who have obtained a law degree). ……. Under the supervision of a senior lawyer they can run their own files and conduct work which may have otherwise been undertaken by a junior lawyer.”

http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/1874/paralegals.aspx

So they take instructions from a lawyer. Who could that have been ?

Or are you arguing that the paralegals don’t actually take instructions from Lawyers

Gillard was all over this, letters were specifically addressed to her. It was purchased by her mate for her boyfriend using the slush fund she’d helped them establish, with the S&G mortgage facility.

When faced with a difficult decision, Gillard’s history has been to lie or distort the truth.

In a 30 year old, people might overlook the trait, and accept a little charm and chat. At middle age it wears off.

A male with her history wouldn’t get away with it, there’s no reason Gillard should get any special/soft treatment.

“In simple conveyancing matters, it appears that they do not need to 2D”

This one must have had extra-sensory powers if she knew that a mortgage would be required without the need to be told as much.

Beggars belief

I’d like the PM to give one of those “comprehensive statement” thingies to Parliament next week.

They always clear things up

“So, looks like Styant-Browne was all over this, not necessarily Gillard.”

So who told him a mortgage would be required ?

Unless of course he had extra sensory powers as well.

I mean seriously how can you possibly believe such rubbish.

‘They always clear things up’

😉

Who to believe?

*the former managing partner of S&G, with nothing to gain by going public,
*who is apolitical,
*who has expressed serious misgivings about Gillard and
*who said she has not told the full story when interviewed
*who has used documents to demonstrate his statements

Or …a politician with a proven history of not telling the truth

Oh FFS

She even attended the auction with Bruce Wilson but apparently still had no idea a mortgage would be required.

Seriously

“BUT, the manager (or lawyer) who is in control IS ultimately responsible …”

Who was the lawyer in charge of the conveyancing file? 😉

“The conveyancing for the Kerr Street property was handled by Olive Brosnahan, a paralegal, under the oversight of Nick Styant-Browne, the relevant partner,”

“Who was the lawyer in charge of the conveyancing file?”

And who told him it needed a mortgage ?

“Then they’ll be off to the AEC to check out the electoral roll for an address.”

I suspect Gillard is hoping she’s joined the Police Force or is a Criminal Lawyer or has some other exemption from appearing on the public roll

‘The voodoo shit is real’

Thankfully you haven’t lost your sense of humour.

“Let me get this right,”

That would be a good start 😉

“Julia and her then boyfriend were buying a house”

Um, no.

This voodoo shit IS real, and it’s found here and on other fact free sites 😉

Howard got the bullet because he was seen as shifty. Fair enough too.

This is an issue Gillard should have fully explained when she first entered parliament, but she used the exclusively female defense in 2007. It’s a story that has never been examined or explained, that’s why it is under the microscope now.

Other PMs (other than Hawke) have been career politicians, so there’s not much of a prior professional life to examine. Though Hawke’s relationship with Peter Ables got plenty of attention.

Howard’s deviousness was always in the media, particularly during his last term.

Gillard has nothing to complain about, it’s all been her own decisions that have placed her where she is.

She’s dishonest and the evidence keeps mounting.

Howard got the bullet because he was seen as shifty. Fair enough too.

And you also manage to say he was devious too

I note you never say – dishonest [which he is] that is exclusively used for gillard. Abbott, despite his outright lies [re pell, the slush fund, wall punching, climate change] is never called dishonest [ironically he appeals to some fools as honest]

Just pointing out the obvious.

Howard was a nasty little fkn lying cnut of the first order. But that was then this is now.

When I said earlier Gillard was “dishonest”, I neglected to refer to her statement that the police investigation was underway when she found out about the fraud. In fact, the police investigation didn’t start for many months after. This provided her (ex) boyfriend with the opportunity to cover his tracks.
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http://www.news.com.au/national/awu-scandal-why-it-matters-and-what-you-need-to-know/story-fndo4eg9-1226522812935

I realise this is from the dreaded News, but I think it is a reasonable summary.

The issue is important because it goes to the honesty, conduct and character of Gillard.

And why would Olive Brosnahan ask for the certificate of currency by fax but request that it be addressed to the attention of Julia when its meant for Olive’s attention in the conveyancing area.

That’s just bizarre

Funny how people are often so quick to ridicule something they’ve never experienced…

The Tony Abbott I know, would never buy real-estate in the name of a union crony

This is the only moniker I use TB.

***BEWARE OF IMITATIONS***

First World Problems

Satirical…

And she is Australia’s greatest female PM

She won’t make it to Christmas

Caucus is terrified at the prospect of an alleged ‘crook’ leading Labor to defeat at the next election. The PM has to do the correct thing, stand aside for a couple of months and then quit parliament before the election.

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‘JULIA Gillard is not changing her tactics in relation to the queries she faces about her involvement in the AWU slush fund affair – she’s stonewalling.

‘Despite widening demands from the media and the prospect of the final week of parliament being dominated by questions about the Prime Minister’s role in giving advice on setting up the fund, Gillard is sticking to the idea the best defence is offence.

‘Labor MPs, including ministers, believe the interests of the party and the wider labour movement would be best served by a comprehensive response from Gillard to the avalanche of questions about what she knew and the claimed contradictions in her statements as Prime Minister.’

Dennis Shannahan in the Oz

I think it’s particularly hilarious that the same people who said-

• Union control of the ALP is “all a media beat-up”
• The Thomson scandal is “all a media beat-up”
• Rudd leaking is “all a media beat-up”
• The Rudd challenge is “all a media beat-up”

…are now saying Gillard’s role in the AWU slush fund scandal is “all a media beat-up”

They have a great track record in identifying “a media beat-up”

True and if the ALP barrackers had their way there would have been restriction on the media reporting of each of these issues.

Each was described as a “media beat-up” and each has been found to be factual.

I recall so many of them urged everyone to wait for the FWA findings on Thomson before forming a view, they argued that Rudd wasn’t challenging – constantly pointing to his denials and demanding “evidence”, they maintained that Rudd wasn’t responsible for damaging leaks – right up until the ALP hacks said he was.

It’s very funny that every time there is a factual report that is inconvenient to the government, they BLAME THE MEDIA

• Union control of the ALP is “all a media beat-up”

I think you might mean that union control of the ALP is not such a bad thing, not really a media anything, but, not the first time your memory has become warped.

• The Thomson scandal is “all a media beat-up”

It is.

• Rudd leaking is “all a media beat-up”

Yea, that one seems to be right, although, the media never said it was rudd, they just played patsy for him.

• The Rudd challenge is “all a media beat-up”

I think the first 4 hundred times it was 😯

And this one is still all a media beatup.

blogs.abc.net.au/victoria/2012/11/back-and-forth-on-gillard-allegations-continue-balcony-death-at-schoolies.html?site=melbourne&program=melbourne_mornings

this was quickly forgotten

No, it was quickly exposed as bogus

” No, it was quickly exposed as bogus”

Are you serious??

Please advise what has “been exposed as bogus”.

Do you mean that maybe Nassios & Lawler were once seen sharing a lift together once? With Nassios making his way to his work station on level 3 while Lawler went on to his suite of chambers on level 13 (ie they were “sharing an office”).

Or do you mean that the supervisor of the investigaion, (formerly union official and ALP ministerial advisor and now Commissioner Lee – thanks ALP!) allegedly allowed a 3 year investigation to drift towards a “bogus” finding?

Got a link to prove “bogus”?

This is another Liberal Party manufactured ‘scandal’, same as all the others we’ve had since gillard took office.

This is no manufactured scandal. We have a Prime Minister who supported her boyfriend’s interests ahead of her actual clients interests to establish a slush fund that he defrauded.

Gillard has plenty of baggage, and the media is doing its job by reporting on incompetence and questionable activities in the past of political leaders.

This is no manufactured scandal. We have a Prime Minister who supported her boyfriend’s interests ahead of her actual clients interests to establish a slush fund that he defrauded.

Do you have some evidence to support that tomM? That gillard knew and was complicit in the fraud?

well done police commisioner

http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/our-say/10930-chief-commissioner-ken-lay-speaks-at-the-royal-womens-hospial-white-ribbon-day-breakfast.html

…The problem is every one of us who laughs at that revolting joke which severely degrades women – knowing we shouldn’t.

It is the responsibility of every man in this room to stop it…

It’s all down to men.

BTW, has tony abbott had anything to say on this huge and costly national problem? I would have thought he would jump at the chance to show his inner feminist?
[chuck on a white ribbon, grab a disabled person to assist, charity/fundraising while he exercises?] .

I didn’t say Gillard was complicit. I said she set up the fund that her boyfriend defrauded.

Oh, so how is she guilty of anything then? Guilt by association?

If doing that was a crime, there’d be loads of lawyers in jail.

AO, we don’t choose our leaders on the basis of whether their past activities are criminal.

A criminal history is an automatic disqualification, but the lack of a specific criminal history isn’t enough to say someone is suitable to be Prime Minister, or an MP.

People are entitled to make comments and pass judgments about the character and demonstrated behaviour (over time) of politicians.

Gillard has a history of dubious judgement and behaviour over several decades now, examples of her similar behaviour prior to her entering parliament assist to illustrate her character.

I think it’s clear that Gillard is being less than transparent with regards to the whole S&G affair and would prefer it all to just go away.

Whether you accept her “explanation” which basically equates I the “Craig Thonson degfence” I didn’t do anything wrong (even though she was sacked) is one thing.

The reality is that Gillard has form in attempting to silence criticism. Her lies over the knifing if Kevin Rudd continue to haunt her and rightly so.

Bushfire Bill at Poll Bludger

‘a 30-something woman caught up in an affair with a larrkin and his spiv mate who bamboozled her into doing some legal work for them that turned out to be hiding a confidence racket they were running with Theiss.’

Hmmm….

The Tony Abbott I know, will always prefer carrier pigeon to NBNco brand email

Does anyone have a link (or any other evidence) to show that the FWA findings against Thomson were “bogus”?

…I mean it’s all very well to imagine that Lawler went out of his way to “exchange favours” with Nassios, while they “shared an office”, but is this all there is to allege the “bogus” investigation?

Is Peter Wix a character known as wixxy?

And did Joolya coerce her mum and dad into joining the Communist Party?

I’m attempting to join the dots.

“If you’re skating on thin ice, you may as well tapdance.”

Wayne Swan

You want me to express an opinion?

Well, on asylum seekers, I want a large concentration camp at Ord River where the inmates work for the dole as agricultural workers.

Julia Gillard is probably the worst PM Australia has ever had and it has nothing to do with her gender.

Joolya’s biggest and most expensive lie was her decision to call carbon dioxide a pollutant which creates global warming.

How is that for starters?

Does anyone have a link (or any other evidence) to show that the FWA findings against Thomson were “bogus”?

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A report issued by the AEC says most of the funds spent by Thomson’s campaign were within the reporting guidelines laid down in the Electoral Act.

http://australianpolitics.com/2012/05/16/aec-clears-thomsons-election-spending.html

So TB you’ve bought a Santa Fe. My son bought one for his wife a few weeks ago. it’s the ‘top of the range’ model and it is very impressive. Whistles and bells galore. But perhaps a little too expensive.

The diesel motor is absolutely brilliant. First diesel I’ve encountered that doesn’t sound like one. And the power for such a small motor is mind blowing. Handling is very good and the ‘finish’ is exceptional. Will be a strong contender for “Car of the Year”.

On the downside. Its towing capacity is very poor. Not due to a lack of power (there’s heaps of that) but a limit of 100 kg on the tow bar is rather disappointing. Second, the cost of a service (while capped) is still far too high.

But overall, it’s a really classy vehicle. Competes very well with the best of the european models and at so many levels – power, price, finish and the like.

Happy motoring.

Kitty

This is a camp designed to help the newly arrived economic refugees merge into society as quickly as possible. The facilities would be the best in the world and cater for every need, but having knowingly jumped the line they need to be penalised.

As soon as they pick up a useful skill inside this holiday camp, speak the language and play the sports, they can then be set free to fend for themselves in capital cities. They would have set up contacts and useful work with real wages.

On a daily basis I meet people working for the dole, its an imposition but accepted as a practical solution to those who are long term unemployed.

‘…hope that you don’t expect them to be working for the dole to benefit a private company.’

Particularly not Gina’s company….

“They can go on a witch-hunt for as long as they like, and they will find nothing that will do her (Gillard) any harm.”

“(She) knew absolutely, categorically nothing.”

Bruce Wilson

Oh

Are we supposed to take TomR seriously now

Are we supposed to take TomR seriously now

No, why should I be treated any differently than anyone else here 😉

yomm asked, I provided, yomms still not happy. Some things never change 😉

Let us not forget, this ‘one’ point was the central one, and was shown to be inaccurate almost immediately. The KPMG report was also illuminating, and doesn’t auger well for the remainder of the claims, particularly after the central tenet has already been dismantled

Spata’s view is uniquely American…in the really lucky country we don’t have to worry.

Is there a particular point you would like to discuss?

Meanwhile, Thomson has resolved 1 (that’s ONE) of the almost 200 findings against him!

I’m not sure if you have actually familiarised yourself with the report yomm, else you might not keep making this claim.

The findings against Thom(P)son and his electoral use of funds was far more than one, and almost all of them were found to be wrong. The 200 findings you keep were not all against Thom(P)son either, there were a few other names involved, jackson being another.

Re-check your math 😉

Fascinating!!

There was no public debate about the use of union funds for his election, but now this is the key to dismissing the findings against Thomson.

All those who said we should wait for the findings of FWA on Thomson simply move to blaming FWA. Did KPMG suggest he didn’t use union funds to pay for prostitutes, or take cash advances for personal use? Or take a credit card from a supplier for personal use?

Does anyone believe that there isn’t a culture of sleazy petty corruption pervading the HSU? And that Thomson fitted into this dodgy culture without demur?

Thomson is shady sleazy spiv and he’s not on his own.
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AO, I’m only pointing out who actually supervised the investigation, when, without any evidence, so many are chanting “LOOK AT LAWLER!”

There’s too much misandry on this thread.

There’s too much misandry on this thread.

Because any female opinion is too much for some.
I know, why not hate on gillard, labor and unions, that seems to be popular.

‘Because any female opinion is too much for some.’

With all due respect, I voted for Julia at the last election because she is a woman. I can see now that was a big mistake, because she’s a typical politician and not the charismatic leader I had hoped for.

There was no public debate about the use of union funds for his election

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

grodo put up a small sample of a post by Bushfire Bill at PollBludger

Here it is in its entirety

Mark Baker never HAD a story, a real one that is.

All he has – at best – are some minor mistakes made in a busy law office, a few i’s and t’s left respectively un-dotted and un-crossed – maybe – and a 30-something woman caught up in an affair with a larrkin and his spiv mate who bamboozled her into doing some legal work for them that turned out to be hiding a confidence racket they were running with Theiss, the major construction outfit that put up most of the cash.

She found out about it. She got out of both the affair and – soon after – the law firm.

Her recollections made to her partners two or three years after the main dishonesty event were not illegal, or even improper and did not require police attention.

But they have sure attracted the attention of the great moralizing wowsers of the press, in droves.

Their own lives wouldn’t bear much scrutiny, I suspect, but that hasn’t stopped them from making judgement upon the lives of others.

What DID require police attention was granted it at the time, and the cops found nothing substantial to go on.

Today, in 2012, people who live, breathe and sleep with the documents in question and in their possession go through them with a nitpicker’s comb, expecting her to be able to answer questions off-the-cuff about who said what to whom, wrote wrote which memo, whether it had one signature or two, how many nights she stayed in the house, and whether she was prepared to swear on a stack of bibles that all the renovation work done on her home was paid for properly and above board, out of her personal funds.

Was that chippy who was there for half an hour helping his mate out paid for out of the slush fund, or was he doing a favour for a mate who was behind schedule?

Who knows? Who CARES? It was all such a long time ago.

But the slightest retraction, clarification or contradiction – whether admitted or not – will be pounced upon by them like a pack of ravenous dogs, driven mad by hunger, thrown a scrap from their master’s table.

The standards applied to Julia Gillard, examining more than half her adult life time, are ticked and flicked when it comes to Tony Abbott. He’s given a free pass for just about everything he’s ever done- wall-punching, Bernie Banton, his foul temper, his own slush find used against Pauline Hanson, his “illegitimate” child that caused him to run away from his girlfriend, only to turn out to someone else’s baby.

His smears, when made in parliament, and when they cross the line, are followed by an apology to the Speaker made when the press gallery have all gone home to write up their rubbish stories about “The Arena of politics”. They are never reported and never replayed.

It’s been the story of Abbott’s life: the Golden Boy who can always just say “Sorry”, and then resume offending just about everyone who comes across his path.

Meanwhile, Gillard, a woman, has her entire life put through the wringer, focused through the lens of misogynists and exploiters (some of them women, to my disgust), political urgers, spivs, and lurk merchants with personal, pride, self-esteem or money-making agendas.

Mark Baker is up before the Press Council soon, after a complaint by Slater & Gordon about a false story, and is desperate to pin anything on Gillard that he can possibly pin on her.

Callers to 2GB and similar stations remember once when they recalled a file note from an old case a few years back, and then extrapolate that recollection (supplied without context) to all people and all files ever created, especially any file the PM dealt with, no matter how long ago.

At heart the allegation seems to be – again, at best – that Gillard and Wilson conspired to stitch-up Blewitt into a contract for the purchase of property without his knowledge, falsifying records, issuing fabricated powers of attorney, back-dating documents and generally behaving like a 1990s’ version of Bonny and Clyde on a merry theft and fraudulent dealing spree, so besotted were they with each other.

This is the best they can dredge up after 20 years of poring over files, inventing legal rules that never were rules in the first place and egging each other on further and further, trying to out-do each other with “questions that must be answered”.

Not allegations, but prurient, voyeuristic, irrelevant and, in many cases, unanswerable “questions”.

And when she says she can’t recall exactly what happened, they call it, like the AFR does today, “an excuse”.

I would like Mark Baker, or Mike Stutchbury or Mike Smith or anyone else to tell me what they had for lunch, or who they spoke to, or what was in a letter received not only in another office, but in another building, by fax, on the 4th of February 1993. If they could – which they can’t – their smears might have more weight.

Hartcher, surely a joke among his peers (he certainly is among his dwindling coterie of readers), comes up with some far-fetched scenario whereby the government will fall next week, more likely than not, via the vote of the Independents, after the Coalition moves a “No Confidence” motion, presumably.

Except that every motion of this type the Coalition has ever threatened to move – from plebiscites to No Confidence – has on every occasion failed to materialise, or (in the case of the dozens and dozens of SSO motions they have moved) been roundly defeated time and time again, without one success.

Hartcher cries rivers of crocodile tears that such an achieving government can’t get its message out, because “the media” are too obsessed with Slatergate to care about historic regulation of the Murray, our survival of the GFC,and over four hundred pieces of legislation successfully passed, with only one or two defeats.

It’s the ultimate cynicism, isn’t it? The “Political and International Editor” of the Sydney Morning Herald has got the blood-lust up, and cannot bring himself to do what he pompously criticises others for not doing.

The excuse is always “the politics” of the situation. It’s the worst excuse you could dredge up, but it suffices to do for just about every occasion. There’s always “the politics”.

People like Hartcher have it in their power to change the media’s modus operandi, but do not deign to, even as their newspapers go broke and their shareholders weep in despair at the junk status of their investment. It’s just too easy to join the pack and yell, like T.E. Lawrence, “NO PRISONERS!” as they go in to slaughter the “enemy”.

I don’t know what Gillard has done to upset the likes of Hartcher, and along with him, Blewitt, Stayne-Browne, Abbott, Hartcher, Grattan, Coorey, Rudd, Shanahan, Murdoch, Mark Baker, Mike Smith, the Bishop Twins, Mirabella and the scores of callers to shock-jock radio, except, perhaps to succeed where they have failed.

Her success must gall them to the bone. She may be famously prone to clumsiness in high heels, but she’s sure-footed enough to avoid the traps that the above bunch of clowns set for her.

She is a woman in survival mode. She will do anything to preserve her precious Labor government so that it can continue to govern and set the nation on an even keel. And the spivs and shonks, the low achievers and the outright crazies lined up against her cannot stand it.

While they obsess over their little pieces of paper, putting 2+2 together and coming out with 5, while they microscopically examine every shread of “evidence” – giving her the benefit of the doubt over none of it – she travels, meets world leaders, inspires millions of women in millions of himes and offices all over the world, and just plain gets things done.

I am so proud of her, and so ashamed of so many of my fellow countrymen and women for the envy and hatred, the petty jealousies and the compensations for their own failures to achieve that they harbour so mercilessly against her.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/11/18/nielsen-53-47-to-coalition-3/?comment_page=96/#comment-1480383

A very accurate rendition of the current state of the ‘debate’ imo

What a lot of words that don’t actually say anything.

That description reminds me of dot points actually 🙂

repetitive

Blewitt’s sister’s words say something.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-23/cassidy-no-match-for-the-bagman-and-the-bogeyman/4386866

…Penny: “… Ralph Blewitt is my brother, he is my older brother. He is as crooked as they come. It wasn’t Julia Gillard that stole the money. She might have set up the fund, and Wilson and Blewitt, Ralph Blewitt, were the crooks, not Julia Gillard. Ralph is out to make whatever he can make out of this for himself.”

Jon Faine, the host of the morning show on ABC 774 in Melbourne, read out the transcript on Thursday and asked: “Why hasn’t that appeared on the front page of The Age or The Australian?…

Union Blocks Domino’s Minimum Wage

…Today Fair Work Australia will hold a preliminary hearing into several Domino’s casual delivery drivers’ applications to terminate their enterprise agreement, negotiated by the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association (SDA) and their employer.

According to these workers the SDA has prevented drivers from receiving at least the national minimum wage for casuals of $19.63 an hour, or a higher amount under the Fast Food Award, by refusing to terminate the 11-year-old agreement with Domino’s…

‘ANOTHER 33 would-be asylum seekers have drowned on their way to Christmas Island in a boat tragedy that would have gone unreported if one man had not survived.

‘Mr Habib Ullah, 22, has told Fairfax Media how he survived three days in the water while watching his shipmates, all ethnic Hazara men from Afghanistan and Pakistan, drown one by one.’

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/boat-tragedy-claims-33-asylum-seekers-20121124-2a0gx.html#ixzz2DETDBw2G

“1. If you want to see real oppression, go to the Middle East.”

“What a moron often fails to notice”

Mentioning the Middle East and inequality might have something to do with women there not having the right to vote, speak, be seen…By law the right of a husband to beat you, kill you or whatever he deems necessary. It might have to do with not having any access to education, work, birth control etc…LOL…

Watch out ladies, it is the new conspiracy of the “WHITE MALE AND POWER STRUCTURE” to mention the most powerful politician in Australia is a woman but still bemoan impediments to woman in said country…I think we should start an investigation as to why there aren’t as many men in teaching or nursing for instance…Has to be a female conspiracy to keep men out…

So we’ll have to discourage them.

This is the wrong thread…my two bob’s worth is for one large concentration camp at Ord River for all ‘illegal’ refugees. They will stay there indefinitely until they learn to speak English, gain a useful trade and discover the delights of playing Aussie Rules.

Has Gillard answered this question – why didn’t she tell the AWU about the fund? So that they could take steps to recover the money.

Really? I think you might find there were several funds involved, and that the union was investigating some frauds and but was not aware of some others, that Gillard had been involved with.

Regardless of whether or not she was involved in fraud, and I’ve not suggested that, it is all part of the mounting evidence that she prefers concealing to transparency.

Gillard fails the character test.

??

You’ll have to provide a degree of latitude here, because in the past, simply saying “Thomson has a case to answer” caused apoplexy among ALP barrackers.

So I’m ensuring that I’m talking about the proven dubious character of Gillard, rather than anything that people may regard as criminal or fraudulent.

But on the question of her actions in supporting her fraudulent boyfriend, there was apparently some knowledge of the fraud within the AWU, but there were several funds involved. Gillard could have assisted AWU to find the funds that rightly belonged to them, but she didn’t. They didn’t discover one of the funds for months.

Gillard’s silence benefitted her (former) boyfriend, rather than protecting the interests of her fee paying client – the AWU.

It’s all about character – and Gillard has a dubious one.

Thomson will be charged by Christmas as the Victorian Police have finished investigations and are currently liaising with NSW Police on the matter.

NSW Police could not charge him with anything as that particular part of the HSU was formed in Victoria and therefore outside their jurisdiction. NSW Police simply handed their file to Victoria but are continuing to investigate secret commission allegations as per the recent charging of Williamson.

I wonder if the Australian’s Hedley Thomas pops up in Julia’s press conference at 1pm. He’s actually based in Brisbane.

Has the Oz flown him down just in case such a snap press conference was called

‘The use of the term “concentration camp” seems appropriate …’

Appropriate in the sense that its better than the Malaysian concentration camps and has nothing to do with Hitler.

“According to people know him, he has been described as a complete imbecile, an idiot a stooge, a sexist big, a liar and his sister has said he’s a crook and rotten to his core. His word against mine – make your mind up.”

How did Gillard get sidetracked to speak about Rudd ?

Just more stonewalling

Perhaps it’s the truth. Why should she be recalling mundane, routine stuff from 17 yrs ago, it’s not as if she was punching walls or physically and sexually assaulting people!

Hope abbott and his dogpack don’t have the gall to be wearing white ribbons.

She is very unconvincing.

Seems she might get caught out by Sid Maher’s question in relation to why she created the reform association without a valid resolution from the AWU rather than just rely on instructions from her boyfriend.

She claims a resolution was not needed. That’s very unusual

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/team-abbott-should-chart-a-new-course-20121125-2a1fd.html#ixzz2DIMd95hS

…The Maurice Blackburn principal does a lot of work with unions and proffered the following context: ”Some home truths re union officials re-election funds: 1. Such funds are a dime a dozen and have been around for donkey’s years. 2. Usually a group of like-minded union officials regularly contribute a portion of their wages to the fund. 3. Such funds are not funds of the union but belong to the group of officials. Authorisation by the union is not required. 4. Lawyers often assist in setting up the fund structure but do not usually have any further role in the operation or management.”
You’d hope for the health and heart of the labour movement that not all funds are quite as ”colourful” as the Australian Workers Union’s, but Bornstein’s context might be useful for people outside the industrial relations club – a world replete with largely impenetrable custom and practice…

Channeling the Bolter

‘Asks to be able to table a 1997 letter from the WA state crime squad stating Thiess donated to the slush fund believing it was an authorised union entity and would not have done so had it known otherwise.

‘Permission denied.’

Damn good strategy by Gillard.

So the gutless and cowardly PM refuses to answer questions and be held accountable to the Parliament preferring to give a Press Conference instead.

I don’t remember voting for Laurie Oakes or Michelle Grattan to represent me in Canbera.

This matter will rightly dog Gillard right up until the Election. Plus once we get some criminal acts from Boaters from that other “policy failure” who cant support themselves on $220 per week the electorate will be absolutely livid at this carcass of a government

People expect Prime Ministers to lead standards, not to default to whatever the opposition is doing.

No tomM, people expect the same standards to be applied to both.

People know that one female politician should not be subjected to a sustained attack on her past and personal relationships when male politicians do not have the same scrutiny applied.

Plus once we get some criminal acts from Boaters from that other “policy failure” who cant support themselves on $220 per week the electorate will be absolutely livid at this carcass of a government

Aren’t they the same people that the pollies are pandering to with their ‘stop the boats/punish them for coming’ policies?

Why don’t they just donate some goods to the asylum seekers – how compassionate would that be?

To TB I’d say…so much for ‘private school bullies’.

Are your kids primary/secondary or tertiary age tomM, boarding at the school or live at home? makes a huge difference. Seems it is the uni age group that has the bullying culture an expectation of born-to-rule wealth & privilege and parents paying for a promised future career success, no matter how undeserving the student is.

…An imaginary dog ‏@EnoTheWonderdog
@ChrisMurphys Chris, do you reckon there’s anything to the stuff Lll’ Bish is spouting? Seems to be all procedural rather than a smoking gun

6m chris murphy ‏@chrismurphys
The only fraud has been extravagant meritless LIB vandalism of Parlt sittings costing at least $1.5m per day. @EnoTheWonderdog #auspol

The Gillard Dirt File, got binders full of gillard.

PHOTO: LOTO TonyAbbott’s COS Peta Credlin speaks with DeputyLOTO Julie Bishop at end of #qt #thepulselive #auspol twitter.com/ellinghausen/s…— Alex Ellinghausen (@ellinghausen) November 26, 2012

AO – the school has classes from prep to year 12. The program covers all ages, and the entire school is involved.

It’s a good ethical activity and there are plenty of articulate young people who are turning into effective advocates for asylum seekers.

I don’t get the sense that there is any born to rule or born to privilege attitude.
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It is a very well equiped school, and the $millions$$ spent on the performing arts centre is unnecessary. It looks like the interior of the Opera House.

…but thanks anyway Wayne.

Blewett is a ”sexist pig”, ”imbecile” and ”crook”, said joolya.

Hmmm…..

Apologies for the length of quote, the article deserves a read in full. Scroll past if bored with it all.

The mechanics of how a smear campaign was legitimised

…What began as a smear campaign against the Prime Minister became a major media story only a few days ago, when it stopped being merely a News Ltd smear campaign…

…But much of the Gallery spectacularly missed the significance of the Prime Minister’s misogyny speech, partly because they were doing their day job of analysing the tactical battle on the floor of Parliament, but also, one suspects, because they failed to understand how much it would resonate with women who routinely put up with s-xism in their working lives. Tribal behaviour is at work here on this story as well and that can’t be understood without reference to gender….

‘it’s in the public interest to provide an insight into the character and background of politicians.’

Maybe, the Amerikans do it with great seriousness, but I hanker for the good old days of attacking party platform and not characters.

Still, its worth thinking about.

If he’d set up as slush fund to attack a union, rather than Hanson, he’d cop plenty of analysis.

No he wouldn’t, look at all he’s done this year, ashby/slipper, thomsen, lawler/jackson, he certainly hasn’t copped any fall out from it.
I don’t believe this constant stream of ‘union corruption mongering’ isn’t a strategy from abbott and his backers. They are union bashing as a political strategy to attack the government – guilt by association. I think that you are incapable of being objective about it tomM. The same tea party type hatreds were used on obama, the racism etc. In gillard’s case they have used the entrenched sexism of aussie males, the anti-feminist and anti-PC haters who blame women for their own failings.

Gillard has shown incompetence, poor judgement and maybe has (inadvertently) facilitated fraud.

Abbott has shown the same with his foot-in-mouth disease, his repeated sexism and chauvinism, his rolling campaigns of lies, smears and manufactured scandal.
The public have been turned off and want him no longer heard.

You can only see gillard as painted by abbott, you don’t think there is a reason that he wants to demonise and destroy her?

I dunno, perhaps it’s a male thing, perhaps you just can’t see what women can, after all we see it every single day of our working lives.

I think they protest too much with nothing to take to court and believe they are grabbing anything to ensure nothing of real importance to the voting public get’s and airing.

That’s right maggie, if the govt is so busy defending rubbish, manufactured ‘scandals’ the public doesn’t get to know the good work they’ve done, the many achievements and the coalition doesn’t get scrutiny of their bare policy cupboard, extremist economics [IPA, CIS, HR Nicholls] and their silly teabagger social retardism.

* I note that steven smith and bill shorten took full advantage of the media spotlight today, to ensure we know how progressive they’ve been in changing the entrenched sexism of defence and workplace bullying.

No, the incompetence was in not creating a file that could be monitored by the equity partners. This way Gillard exposed S&G to considerable damage – financially and reputation. They lost their client – the biggest union in the country. Their reputation was seriously damaged.

Gillard’s actions were incompetent, to put it in its most favourable light.

Poor judgment was letting her boyfriend get her to do work – which ultimately proved damaging to her career, the interests of her employer and to their fee paying client.

” ashby/slipper, thomsen, lawler/jackson, he certainly hasn’t copped any fall out from it.”

Why should those issues reflect on anyone other than the very shady dealings of Gillard and her cohorts?

Feminist misandry… men are not all the same and I for one take offence at being lumped together.

Well I do take note of your comments here el gordo and you haven’t come across as a supporter of female equality to me in the way that TB and toiletboss manage to do.

comments like ‘feminist misandry’ certainly don’t help your case either.

“…But much of the Gallery spectacularly missed the significance of the Prime Minister’s misogyny speech, ”

Exactly

It was an extraordinary speech to make to defend Peter Slipper’s perverted views on women.

‘The opposition’s job is to offer an alternative government’ when the election is called.

Nothing effective about an expensive waste of public funds in tying up parliament business with ridiculous personal smears [with no accusation] from 17 yrs ago. For an opposition that screams “where will the money come from” at every opportunity, they should be ashamed about the $ they are wasting each day.

“Notify them that you wish to allow them to release any documents or files that they have.”

Why should she give them the satisfaction? No-one else ever has to do so to defend what are slurs. The privacy and privilege afforded to any other individual in the land is not to be granted to julia gillard?
It’s like obama being asked to present his birth certificate because the teabaggers have accused him of not being american.

If she has done nothing wrong, she shouldn’t need to ‘prove’ so to their satisfaction. They’ll then keep on throwing up any fabricated shit they can find and keep asking her to prove her innocence – ridiculous stuff!

You’re right AO – Gillard doesn’t have to prove anything, she can choose to stick with her current tactics and accept all the flack that goes with it.

Gillard has a chequered history when it comes to the transparency of her actions, and people are interested in her character.

Simply repeating “I’ve done nothing wrong” isn’t good enough. Her behaviour and actions were very questionable, and Slater & Gordon confirmed this morning that there was a conflict of interest.

This conflict of interest cost S&G their biggest client, their reputation, it cost Gillard her legal career… and a company doesn’t lose its biggest client without suffering some other job cuts.

I recall that the AWU was almost insolvent at that time, in part because the union had been plundered by Gillard’s boyfriend, using slush funds that she had helped set up.
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Apparently providing advice on how to establish a slush fund, liaising with government regulators on its compliance isn’t “helping” establish it!!

The blinkers are remarkably effective!

Quite clearly her performance yesterday was quite pathetic especially that bullshit about not being in a position to report something to Police because at the time there was nothing to report.

The AWU had already shown Wilson the door after it found out about the Victorian slush fund he was running.

For her and Slater & Gordon not to mention to the AWU of the existence of a separate WA slush fund he had set up after all that is extraordinary .

Fits nicely with

*all the missing files,

*the question still unanswered whether she signed the PoA in Blewitts presence,

*the ignoring of Union rules in relation to setting up bank accounts (which she had given written advice about),

*the lies she told the WA Corporate Affairs about the funds purpose.

*the $5,000 she cant recall.

*all the correspondence addressed to her that she claims she never saw

She really shouldn’t ask people to decide on who to believe between her and Blewitt.

It’s a pretty simple question to answer.

I don’t know about you Tom R, but I prefer Prime Ministers who are answerable to parliament rather than to the press conference.

But what do you think…did she “help” establish the slush fund?

She provided legal advice and she liaised with government authorities, now you’re saying that her actions weren’t helpful to the establishment of the slush fund?

Interesting to note also that Slater & Gordon identified conflict of interest as the reason for the loss of their biggest client.

I wonder how many S&G employees lost their jobs at that time.

You have to be fkn joking!

it fits with the tone of this whole ‘debate’ 😉

“Did anyone really think that Blewitt was a credible person after watching his shifty, cross eyed, responses last night? I wouldn’t buy a push bike off the bastard let alone his story ”

Yes,

They say you can tell alot about the character of a person by the company they keep

Which basically contradicts your whole argument about her not having to release anything

Rubbish, obama did so, against the wishes of most who felt he should not be demeaning himself by giving credence to the birther nutjobs.

If lawyer/client confidentiality is not respected for the PM then it is not reliable for any citizen of the land. May as well do away with the profession.

I blame you for the absence of James.

james was always going to go out in solidarity with tony. Apparently it’s OK when the ‘usuals’ [and I include el gordo in that since he feels a need to be part of a pack mentality] are shouting down and abusing/ganging up on any ‘lefties’ in the place but if they happen to find themselves on the opposite side of majority opinion, they can’t hack it and spit the dummy.

“Yea, another hour long press conference answering all questions and it’s still ‘Joolya’s stone walling ‘”

Did she answer truthfully ?

In which case she should have no problem answering to Parliament.

But strangely she’s reluctant to.

That says it all. She’s a liar

…and let the other Ministers get on with doing what we pay them for … nothing will come of the Opposition’s BS and the punters will eventually see through it (many are now)

yes TB, I know, we’ve got the court of public opinion to go yet.
Wait til we have julie bishop attacked [since abbott is hiding behind her] and the fight for the moral high ground. Slater & Gordon fought for asbestosis/mesothelioma victims and julie bishop and her firm acted for the company and used the strategy of ‘let’s just stall til they die off’ to avoid payouts.

Others just got proved wrong too many times, and this was used in evidence against them. A few just ran out of things to say

Those that fit the above criteria and stayed were reduced to dot points 🙂

“Julie bishop and her firm acted for the company and used the strategy of ‘let’s just stall til they die off’ to avoid payouts.”

Bishop has agreed to answer all questions put to her as she claims she has nothing to hide. All Albasleazy has is a newspaper opinion/article

In Gillards case other internal documents have surfaced

Time for the Gillard to do the same

‘I’ll email him if you miss him so much …’

His opinion would be appreciated.

I can’t be certain, but I’m not sure N5 is completely out. A comment made to me recently had a familiar content and tone.

I’d be entirely happy for the comments to continue, it’s one of the reasons I don’t object to sock puppets.

You may recall, I spent a frustrating couple of years with JH, KL … in a senior H&S position … I highly recommend “Devil Dust” gives a glimpse only of the mindset of JH execs but does it well!

I watched it TB and thought it great, it will be fresh in the public’s mind if julie bishop’s past is put under the microscope]. Feel the ABC has had some excellent shows recently while the other channels are offering up rubbish. I highly recommend ‘Dangerous Remedy’ [battle of anti abortion campaigner bertie wainer], ‘Redfern Now’ [compelling viewing’] and I like the broody, almost depressed detective ‘Wallender’ [kenneth branagh brilliant acting, I can ‘feel’ his emotions]

“………and walrus in all his disguises – ratty/2dt shockjock etc].”

I must say I do miss JAWS

I have avoided Redfern … like I avoided The Slap … no reason ….

I watched both, liked The Slap too, I like dramas with lots of characters and emotions. Sounds a bit like the movie Once Were Warriors for me, some are very difficult to watch.

I would have to disagree with the minister this time, I really really like branagh in wallender, the eyes so expressive, the way his work makes him broody and depressed, so human and feeling [except perhaps to those who live with him].