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Julie Bishop’s Career Defining Gamble

November 27, 2012

Julie Bishop has made serious allegations against the competence and integrity of a sitting Prime Minister. But does she have any proof to back up her claims?

The stakes are high as Deputy Opposition Leader Julia Bishop accuses the Prime Minister of “breaking the law” when she allegedly set up an unauthorised incorporated association to facilitate an elaborate fraud perpetrated by her then boyfriend Bruce Wilson and fellow AWU official, Ralph Blewitt.

It’s a courageous allegation, as Sir Humphrey Appleby might say, and one which the Deputy Opposition Leader will be required to substantiate fairly quickly with concrete evidence.

Former lawyer Julie Bishop has stated that when Julia Gillard was a partner with Slater & Gordon she established an unauthorised union association to enable Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt to access for the purposes of financial gain.

”The reason [Ms Gillard] didn’t open a file within Slater & Gordon … was because she and Wilson and Blewitt wanted to hide from the AWU the fact that an unauthorised entity was being set up…” Ms Bishop said.

”She created the stolen vehicle that the bank robbers took to the bank, to rob the bank.”

Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has been conspicuously silent on the matter allowing his deputy to lead the charge on the serious allegations.

However the Gillard Government is vehemently denying the Opposition’s claims.

The opposition says Ms Gillard was, at best, guilty of “gross and utter incompetence” as a lawyer, because she failed to ensure the AWU executive had approved the formation of the association.

Ms Bishop said she had met with Mr Blewitt in Melbourne for ten minutes last Friday but said this morning she found the man she described as a “self-confessed fraudster,” who has made allegations over the affair was “not credible.” Ms Bishop dismissed claims the Oppositions pursuit of the AWU affair was sexist.

“She is using the charge of sexism as a sword against her critics and as a shield against having to answer any questions,” she said.

Leader of the House Anthony Albanese condemned Ms Bishop’s meeting with Mr Blewitt and compared it to Malcolm Turnbull meeting former treasury official Godwin Grech at the height of the ‘Utegate’ saga in which emails were faked.

“Meeting with a scum bag to try and bring down a prime minister, this says a lot about Julie Bishop’s values, it says a lot about the Liberal Party,” he said.

Someone is going to end up with egg on their face, and it may well be Julie Bishop.

No wonder Abbott is keeping himself at a safe distance.

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348 Comments leave one →
  1. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:48 pm

    Peta Credlin is the ‘Queen of No’ and her brief words with the Bishop should arouse some interest amongst the working class.

  2. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 1:56 pm

    So

    If a self confessed fraudster sees Balinese prostitutes that makes him a scumbag does it.

    If a former member of the Labor Party under Police investigation sees prostitutes that makes him a Crossbencher.

  3. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 2:03 pm

    Bishop is no idiot.

    She’s slowly building up to something.

  4. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 2:03 pm

    The Labor backbench, facing electoral oblivion, have belatedly begun to flex their muscles on a relatively minor matter.

    ‘JULIA Gillard’s personal decision to have Australia vote against a United Nations motion to give Palestine observer status has been overturned by a backbench revolt.

    ‘On Monday night the Prime Minister told her Cabinet colleagues she had made the decision that Australia would vote against the motion and expected Cabinet support.’

    Dennis Shannahan in the Oz

    So is this the beginning of the revolt? Joolya is carry too much weight to win.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 2:08 pm

    Ms Bishop said she had met with Mr Blewitt in Melbourne for ten minutes last Friday but said this morning she found the man she described as a “self-confessed fraudster,” who has made allegations over the affair was “not credible.” Ms Bishop dismissed claims the Oppositions pursuit of the AWU affair was sexist.

    Is that a backtrack?

    Maybe Malcolm will be returned to the leadership of the Liberals under similar circumstances to his losing?

    How ironic …

  6. November 27, 2012 2:20 pm

    If she is so sure of her ground why doesn’t Julie Bishop make her claims outside of the House where there is no parliamentary privilege! Don’t you just love these political heroes!

  7. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 3:12 pm

    Mrs Blewitt said Ms Gillard should wash her mouth out “before she says something bad about my husband.”

    “He is very loving, caring, romantic person,” Mrs Blewitt said.

    “As the prime minister, she is not supposed to immerse herself to talk like this in front of people.

    “She has to answer the questions.”

    Hear hear…

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 3:31 pm

    Interesting point deknarf, and perhaps we could also discuss why Gillard declines to answer questions in parliament, when she provides a reply to questions outside parliament.

  9. November 27, 2012 4:21 pm

    Perhaps Julia is trying to draw the NO Coalition out of the parliament where she can sue them for slander? I think she can also justifiably say that she has answered any questions put to her in the public (rather than the parliamentary) domain. She’s subject to charges being laid in the public about what she says if they can be proved false.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 5:09 pm

    Gillard trying to avoid answering in parliament makes it look like she’s mainly concerned about being caught misleading it.

    What is it she’s concealing?

    We already know she was incompetent, that she created a conflict of interest for S&G, that she cost them their biggest client… on any measure she was a failure.

    That’s her legacy as a solicitor, now she is creating a similar one as PM.

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 27, 2012 5:44 pm

    Gillard looks completely flummoxed when answering questions because she doesn’t know what else may come out of the woodwork.

    If five grand showed up out of the blue in my bank account one day I’d certainly remember it even 20 years on and be able to give a direct answer about it.

  12. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 6:04 pm

    “Gillard trying to avoid answering in parliament makes it look like she’s mainly concerned about being caught misleading it.

    What is it she’s concealing? ……”

    RELATED TO

    “Gillard looks completely flummoxed when answering questions because she doesn’t know what else may come out of the woodwork.”

    She’s looking like her sneaky evasive self again.

    All Hail the Real Julia

    And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more embarrassing/cringeworthy spectacle of hysteria as was given at the Press Conference we saw yesterday.

    I don’t recall a former PM just losing it like that because ……….its all so unfair that she has questions to answer.

    She’s just full of hypocrisy with her venom and smear. She uses exactly the traits she castigates others for

    The woman is a disgrace

  13. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 6:21 pm

    As PMs go, Joolya is even worse than McMahon.

    Policy ineptness come to mind.

  14. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 27, 2012 6:41 pm

    She has the language down pat now the resident First Barber should give her a Mullett

    Then the Bogan would be complete

  15. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 6:58 pm

    Ha ha

  16. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:04 pm

    “As PMs go, Joolya is even worse than McMahon.”

    First the fuckers tried to foist Latham on us as PM, then they came up with someone half presentable in Rudd and won an election, but before his first term was out the Unionland chieftains asserted their dominance and installed Gillard. And now the sleaze is oozing out, disgracing the office of PM.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:13 pm

    Julie BIshop LIED! IN PARLIAMENT!

    WHO SHOULD GO!

    And now the sleaze is oozing out … OF THE LIBERAL PARTY!

    Hypocrites all …

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:18 pm

    HANG ON!

    That may have been a LIE in the PUBLIC FORUM … slander and defamation … look out Julie Bishop!

    I love to see lawyers who defended JH against asbestosis and mesothylioma, get karma!

    (Ignorant pricks!)

  19. November 27, 2012 7:22 pm

    Julie Bishop wears her best Star Wars costume to front the media…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-27/bishop-still-has-questions-for-pm/4395232

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:32 pm

    sreb, did you watch that link?

    Even the Meedjaya is now questioning the shit … because they have families and they vote … and hopefully some of them have integrity … AND they vote – hopefully some of our more intelligent journalists can suss out a con when they see AND say to their HIGHLY paid editors …. “mate, this is just shit!” … that’s what good journos do … this isn’t Watergate (I know you don’t remember – research ALL of it, FFS!) … if the government is feeding BS … get ’em … BUT if the Opposition is feeding BS .. FFS GET them too!

  21. November 27, 2012 7:48 pm

    Yes TB I watched it.

    Julie Bishop’s out on a limb.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:50 pm

    Just watched Bruce Wilson give an earnest defence of Julia.

    It’s a tough choice in the credibility stakes Bruce Wilson as the defender of her, or Ralph Blewitt as her accuser?

    Nice company she keeps.

  23. November 27, 2012 7:51 pm

    I like the way Julie Bishop describes her meeting with Ralph Blewitt to see whether he had any documentary evidence as a “chance meeting.”

    guffaw!

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:54 pm

    Nice company she keeps.

    Watch, sreb’s, link (and tonight’s news) and I reckon I’ll hear from you tomorrow (unless you just want to continue the rhetoric from Liberal Party HQ … egg, will miss you – OK and so will I … I actually miss, James … his wife seemed noice)

    I miss a lot of the “old posters” here (apart from two) would be noice to have a Christmas get together …

  25. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:57 pm

    The Daily Trash Xmas Party

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 7:58 pm

    well done, egg, got it in ONE!

  27. stupid nickname permalink
    November 27, 2012 8:09 pm

    The really distressing thing about all this is that the people who wrote the above comments are probably entitled to vote.

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2012 8:12 pm

    The really stupid nickname is that you said nothing … and you are probably NOT entitled to vote …

  29. November 27, 2012 8:19 pm

    Is stupid really stupid or just a different kind of smart?

    I’m thinking the former….

  30. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 8:31 pm

    ‘Gillard was working as an industrial lawyer in a dodgy Labor Law firm. It’s important to remember the title “industrial” because union operations were her specialty. Heart surgeons don’t operate on your brain.

    ‘She had two mates, Wilson and Blewitt. She was living with Wilson. She knew he was a crook because everyone else knew he was. His reputation in the West was monumental.’

    Larry Pickering

  31. el gordo permalink
    November 27, 2012 9:02 pm

  32. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:03 pm

    What kind of country do we live in? Kernohan had his career destroyed and was beaten up by union thugs for his troubles. Smith was sacked from his job for asking too many questions about Gillard’s role in all of this. Great fucking country when the PM can phone up the editor and get journos sacked.

    Now stand by for the smearing and vilification of Kernohan by the usual ALP arsewipes. Ain’t it grand to live in Unionland!

  33. Bullshit Won't Float My Boat permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:19 pm

    Money buried in the backyard and destroyed because they got wet. ?

    Polymer notes were first introduced here in 1992 and fully in circulation by 1996.

  34. Bullshit Won't Float My Boat permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:26 pm

    Julie Bishop is a misogynist

    Squawk Squawk !

  35. Bullshit Won't Float My Boat permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:33 pm

    The Gillard press conference practice tape

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&v=sh163n1lJ4M

  36. JAWS permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:36 pm

    Wow

    I like BWFMB

    Hehehehehehe !

  37. reb of KL permalink
    November 27, 2012 10:41 pm

    Welcome back Jaws. Egg missed you.

  38. JAWS permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:07 pm

    Just a guest appearance reb.

    Just egg ?

    I only turned up for the Christmas Reunion

    What sock puppets are people talk in’ about

    It a disgrace

  39. reb of KL permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:16 pm

    Ok I missed you a bit too (but not in a gay way)….

  40. JAWS permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:23 pm

    What the fuck are you doing in KL ?

    All that’s there are cheap shoe shops and Petronas Towers

    A Westfield on each corner .

    I hate the joint

  41. reb of KL permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:28 pm

    I fkn hate it too Jaws.

    Thankfully I’m sitting here at KLIA waiting to board a flight to Penang.

    The only reason I’m here is to slum it at the Sunway Lagoon and Resort where my better half is currently staying (he’s here for work)

    The Sunway Resort is like something out of brisvegas. There’s s fkn hotel in the shape of a pyramid. It’s the height of at tackiness…

  42. reb of KL permalink
    November 27, 2012 11:52 pm

    Much amusement that it takes a post about Jaws’ favourite sex kitten to bring him out of the woodwork …. 🙂

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 12:54 am

    Double standards & dishonesty? Some never get called to account for past misdeeds.

    The slush fund minister hoist with his own petard

    …Notice how quick Abbott was to say the slush fund was all his own work? That’s not good enough to absolve Howard, who needs to answer serious questions:

    Was he aware of the existence of the slush fund? Did he endorse its purpose? Was he aware of Abbott’s involvement, and, if so, what did he do after Abbott lied about it? If he was unaware, why did his closest ally in federal politics not inform him?

    What does Howard plan to do now that everyone knows Abbott lied to the Australian people? Who were the other members of the “honesty in politics” trust and how much did each donate?

    Was the donation in effect a donation to the Liberal Party or to Abbott’s campaign, and, if so, should it have been disclosed to the public by law?…

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 1:00 am

    Enforcing disclosure: AEC can make Abbott give sworn evidence on slush fund

    But it didn’t, it just took his lying word.

  45. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 2:48 am

    evasion keeps issue alive
    November 27, 2012
    Opinion
    Mark Baker

    Only one reason this Mark Baker article would appear under ‘opinion’, it would not be factual.

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/11/27/awu-scandal-unpacked

    The same Mark Baker who was Nick Styant-Brown’s best man – now where have I heard that name before?

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 3:04 am

    PM vs press gallery: anatomy of a tense encounter

    …But did you notice the goalpost-shifting in all that? Until yesterday, the Prime Minister had “questions to answer” about the issue. Yesterday she stood there and took question after question. For many members of the press gallery, that’s no longer sufficient. Now, the real test is whether the Prime Minister has “laid the issue to rest”. If the opposition are still asking questions about the issue at the end of the week, Gillard will thus, by that logic, have failed.

    For much of the press gallery, there’s always a new test for the Prime Minister, no matter how often she passes the ones they’ve previously set…

  47. November 28, 2012 6:03 am

    I notice that in her twenty minute address to the press, Julia Bishop has adopted the Tony Abbott style of referring to the Prime Minister as “she” rather than “the Prime Minister” or “Ms Gillard.”

    It’s not even barely concealed contempt.

  48. November 28, 2012 6:31 am

    Oh dear…..

    In the absence of any evidence to substantiate her allegations it appears Julie Bishop is now backtracking at a million miles an hour….

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/bishop-bluster-loses-wind-in-an-obvious-absence-of-evidence-20121127-2a5ud.html

  49. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 28, 2012 7:02 am

    I feel a bit confused with this topic, with no talk of “misogyny” and all from our favorite “pussy”….I just had to drop this…;)

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/foaming-feminists-need-a-good-hot-shower-with-007/story-e6frg7bo-1226525232299

    “Instead of whining that the latest Bond movie is sexist, spare a thought for the poor blokes who could air a bigger grievance. They can never hope to be Bond. Not in the 21st century, where revealing even the smallest hint of the alpha male is pounced on by puritanical feminists as a sign of uncontrolled machismo and sexism. Maybe women like me love 007 because he is the antithesis of the metrosexual men who surround us.

    In fact, if Bond is sexist and millions of modern, liberated women are still being seduced by the sexy spy, maybe the sisterhood should ask whether it is somehow to blame for making him so damn alluring.”

  50. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 8:51 am

    “There’s s fkn hotel in the shape of a pyramid. It’s the height of at tackiness…”

    You want tacky ?

    There’s a joint in Northern Africa just like that as well.

    The place is full of joints shaped like pyramids.

    From memory its called Cairo.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2012 9:00 am

    Trying to establish some criminal or misbehaviour was always going to be difficult, probably because there is none.

    The focus on criminality by Gillard is misdirected, just as the chant that “Thomson hasn’t been charged” is stupid. The issue comes down to the character we expect of leaders. We should expect leaders to show exemplary ethics, not simply be capable of avoiding criminal prosecution.

    That Thomson has so far avoided criminal charge is hardly an endorsement of his actions or character.

    That Gillard showed such poor judgment and ethics that she –
    • Created a serious conflict of interest for S&G.
    • Helped establish the slush fund that was used fraudulently
    • Didn’t keep track of her finances to the extent that she doesn’t know whether she got $5k from her boyfriend
    • Firstly can’t confirm that she didn’t get any benefit, then she categorically can say she didn’t
    • Hid her work from her employer
    • Cost her employer their biggest client
    • Got confused between her personal and professional interests to the detriment of her employer
    • Etc

    …well this shows a history of poor judgement, ethics and character that helps people form a view about her capacity to lead the country.

  52. el gordo permalink
    November 28, 2012 10:33 am

    Her boyfriend says she really was young and naive.

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 28, 2012 10:38 am

    Here is how it works:

    In almost all cases if union officials are putting together a campaign re-election fund they open a bank account in the name of one or more of them. Why would anyone go to the trouble of incorporating an association when it is easier to open a bank account?

    I doubt that there has ever been a union re-election fund structured as an incorporated association, much less an association that wrongfully appropriated the name of the union.

    Wilson’s problem was that if he tried to open an account with the AWU name in it, the bank would want to see appropriate resolutions from the AWU authorising the opening of the account. And for the scam to work WIlson needed to be able to tell companies to “donate” to an AWU account.

    However, if an entity with AWU in its name wanted to open an account the bank would just require a resolution of that entity, its constitution and certificate of incorporation. All Wilson and Blewitt had to do was to convince WA corporate affairs that the slush fund was legit. Gillard took care of that.

    This was a very deliberate scam indeed and any reputable lawyer would decline to incorporate an entity which uses the name of another entity and which is set up for the private purposes of individuals and not for the benefit of the other entity whose name is being appropriated.

    It appears that Gillard has broken two fundamental rules of legal practice: “Don’t sleep with your client” and “Don’t take instructions in the nude”.

  54. el gordo permalink
    November 28, 2012 10:59 am

    At the time of the alleged offence her boyfriend was mooted to be a future PM.

  55. November 28, 2012 11:04 am

    The comedy just keeps coming…!

    This morning Julie Bishop says she DID speak to Ralph Blewitt on the phone on Wednesday, but didn’t know it was was him she was speaking to…

    Bishop’s response seems to be – I *unknowingly* spoke with Ralph Blewitt last week.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 28, 2012 11:19 am

    I don’t get why Bishop is so evasive about admitting to speaking with Blewitt. He is obviously a material witness and may provide relevant information to her.

    Note that Gillard was asked whether anyone from her office contacted Wilson she hedged with “not to her knowledge” just like her acceptance speech being written two weeks before she knifed Rudd, but “not to her knowledge”.

  57. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 11:29 am

    So Wilson reckons Blewitt was withdrawing the money and Blewitt reckons he was only doing so based on Wilson’s instructions.

    So who was getting the bank statements and why did that person let Blewitt “steal” the money
    ?

    Or did he ?

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 12:34 pm

    How Abbott’s jobs plan jumps the gun:

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Tony-Abbott-jobs-MYEFO-budget-Gillard-pd20121128-2FVPR?OpenDocument&src=sph&src=rot

    …Tony Abbott’s plan to create one million jobs in five years doesn’t stack up. Either he will have to do it by overheating the economy, which will push inflation and interest rates higher, or there is something yet to be revealed in his industrial relations reforms that will help him meet his ambitious target…

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 12:36 pm

    Twist in a bitter feud: Alan Joyce pulls plug on $44m deal:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/twist-in-a-bitter-feud-alan-joyce-pulls-plug-on-44m-deal-20121128-2acsu.html#ixzz2DTdNZyJF

    …The country’s premier tourism body has become a casualty of the bitter feud between Qantas boss Alan Joyce and his former mentor Geoff Dixon after the airline withdrew its financial support for Tourism Australia.
    Parting of the ways for the sorcerer and his apprentice
    In suspending its 40-year partnership with Tourism Australia, Qantas has accused Mr Dixon – who is the tourism body’s chairman – of being part of a group of investors committed to “unravelling Qantas’s structure and direction”…

  60. el gordo permalink
    November 28, 2012 1:11 pm

    There must be an election in the air…Opposition party platform coming out.

    ‘He said it would be done by abolishing the carbon tax, which he said would add a cumulative $1 trillion to the GDP by 2050, and scrapping the mining tax, which he claimed would restore Australia’s reputation as a safe place to invest.

    ‘Mr Abbott will today spell out other promises to cut $1 billion from red tape for small business, restore the Australian Building and Construction Commission and establish a one-stop shop for environment approvals in a bid to boost jobs.

    “The next Coalition Government will create one million jobs in five years and two million jobs in 10 years,” he said. “This pledge is achievable given our record and policies.”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/tony-abbott-will-pledge-to-create-one-million-new-jobs-in-five-years-if-he-becomes-pm/story-e6frfm1i-1226525247387#ixzz2DTlEKue8

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2012 1:22 pm

    I thought Dixon did a fair job at Qantas, though there wasn’t much impetus for change.

    Teaming up with Harvey, Singleton and the pilots union has sullied his reputation.

    He left all the hard reform to his successor, and who would blame Joyce for wanting to get out of any business associations with him? Joyce took on decades of neglect and rorting – good on him.

  62. el gordo permalink
    November 28, 2012 1:52 pm

    ‘Either he will have to do it by overheating the economy, which will push inflation and interest rates higher’

    That won’t be a problem, the world is going into recession.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2012 2:52 pm

    Twist in a bitter feud: Alan Joyce pulls plug on $44m deal:

    Mmmm … I saw that the little Irish born bloke seems to blame everyone else for his troubles … whoever they are …

    (BTW, its a well known phenomenon that protégés often have a “troubled” split … but Joyce’s problem seems to be swollen ego …)

  64. el gordo permalink
    November 28, 2012 4:23 pm

    Poor judgement leads to poor policy outcomes, with enormous political ramifications for back benches in marginal seats.

    ‘Contrary to an overall impression of solidity of Gillard’s leadership and growing support for the ALP, there were Labor MPs yesterday prepared to suggest her judgment in advocating Australia vote against a United Nations’ observer status for Palestine was a threat to her leadership on the grounds of judgment, policy and political ramifications for MPs in particular seats.’

    Dennis Shanahan

  65. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 4:30 pm

    “its a well known phenomenon that protégés often have a “troubled” split ”

    Jesus and Judas

    Kevin and Julia

  66. November 28, 2012 4:50 pm

    reb .. ” it takes a post about Jaws’ favourite sex kitten “
    fascinating .. sex kitten doesn`t get bantered about the Libz too often

  67. November 28, 2012 5:02 pm

    I pretty much agree with Deknarf`s first comment.
    If there was anything in this, Bishop would be urging evidence-holders to go to the cops.
    This seems to indicate that Mr-Rabbit and Team-Teabag are hell bent on ending the year Looking stupid and being wrong.

    Next year is the national poll. It looks like Team-Teabag will be running a `policy-light` campaign again. (That`ll_Work)

  68. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 5:50 pm

    So we have Wayne Hem again on radio confirming that Bruce Wilson gave him exactly $5,000 (he counted it) plus Julia Gillard’s account name, account number and account bsb after a night at the Casino with another person present at the time who said “they did not have a good night” at the Casino.

    The money was then deposited into Julia’s account as instructed but Julia “cant recall” and Bruce Wilson is “not sure” but “it could have happened” but nevertheless he says he never stole any money from the slush fund as it was Ralph Blewitt that did all the stealing.

    Wilson at the time was earning approximatelty $40,000 p.a. from the AWU, living in Melbourne with girlfriend called Julia, with a wife and kids to support in Perth.

    So how could he have afforded the $5,000 if the Casino is now discounted as the source ?

    Ralph Blewitt claims he only withdrew cash on Wilson’s instructions and gave it all to him.

    It sounds like Ralph is more believable.

    Message to Julia.

    Don’t ask people to compare your credibility to a fraudster, imbecile or crook as you might not like the answer you get back.

  69. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 5:59 pm

    Julia got very angry and unsettled in Parliament today.

    She displayed wonderful arrogance and directed some very spiteful commentary towards a rather calm looking Tony Abbott.

    She thinks it makes her look “prime ministerial”.

    Well it does not because she does not have the “political capital” or “general likeability” for it to be successful.

    She just does not realize people actually despise her as well as distrust her.

    She just looks like one of the idiots that she thinks the electorate wholly comprises

    ALP polling in swinging seats is abysmal. They have picked up most of their votes in their safe seats.

    But that point is lost on her

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2012 6:22 pm

    I see the journos have quit following, Tony & The Thumbsuckers, and lead singer Julie B looks likely to be dropped from the line-up in the near future after her last single was flop …

    … they keep struggling for a hit but until they all sing in tune its not going to work for them … bearing in mind it’s all jam session work and no music or stage script to follow … very amatuerish … and while the, “I’ll listen to whatever they play, dedicated followers”, will listen to anything they present … the applause is hollow …

    … still, the final judging isn’t till next year … and give’s, The Thumbsucker’s, a few months to get their act together, have a few rehearsals and show all of us what they can really do, before the People’s Vote is in … maybe a new leader … and at the very least, music for a new album and at least one song that demonstrates real harmony … not just run of the mill dischord …

  71. November 28, 2012 6:33 pm

    TB .. [deputy] ” lead singer Julie B looks likely to be dropped from the line-up in the near future after her last single was flop “
    Nah, they`ll just relocate her to the Godwin Greche Golden Email Memorial Library.

  72. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 6:46 pm

    “…music for a new album and at least one song that demonstrates real harmony … not just run of the mill dischord …”

    Seems TB will be at the ARIA Awards tomorrow night.

    No one will be watching.

  73. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 28, 2012 6:52 pm

    “Tony and the Termites” did not need to create “music”

    They just needed to create enough noise so that people will associate Julia with bad vibes and a very shaky framework laid on poor foundations laid many years ago which no one seems to know who built or who paid for them.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2012 6:55 pm

    Wally, Wally, Wally … even the journos have given up …

  75. November 28, 2012 6:56 pm

    Are we all enjoying the `abstain` vote we will be casting at our UN meeting with the high price tag.?

    We could have done that and kept the cash.

    Joolya wanted to vote for Israel, the rest will role her if she did.

  76. November 28, 2012 7:10 pm

    sbs1-news is banging on about Lance Armstrong and the use of performance enhancing drugs, but really, who cares.? It is only bicycle riding, nothing important.

    On the other hand, I`m pretty damn certain performance enhancing drugs are not used in Canberra. Maybe they should be.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2012 7:20 pm

    More statesperson like comments from Our Prime Minister today – “En tha dipuddy loida o tha uppzshun as finyshtup uz tha wina a rid foicez”

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2012 10:18 pm

    “Would you trust Ralph or me?”

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2012 10:23 pm

    Her current squeeze looks far more honest than the old one.

  80. JAWS permalink
    November 28, 2012 10:54 pm

    Oh my God

    Julie Bishop spoke to Ralph Blewitt TWICE

    I have a confession to make

    I have spoken to and some I have worked for( in my past)

    Rodney Adler (jailed for fraud)

    Andrew Kalazich (jailed for murder)

    Brad Cooper (jailed for fraud)

    Dr Geoff Edelstein ( rightly jailed for bad taste)

    Ted Mulry ( should have been jailed for Jump in my Car)

    Liz Hayes ( oh god I wish I could share a jail cell with her)

    Jennifer Hawkins ( smoooookin hot)

    Tara Moss ( see immediately above)

    Paul Keating ( in a lift a month ago)

    Plus others

    But I didn’t hang out with the crims amongst them for 2, 3 or 4 years.

    I can judge character and

    Julia can’t and relies on I can’t recall and incompetence and naivety to plaster over her disgusting past.

    Lets see how the Boulder allegations regarding the Victims Fund go

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2012 11:21 pm

    … still, the final judging isn’t till next year … and give’s, The Thumbsucker’s, a few months to get their act together, have a few rehearsals and show all of us what they can really do, before the People’s Vote is in … maybe a new leader …

    Don’t forget that phonytony had a book launching in his party room this am, flogging off his new book of speeches. No time for policy, but he can manage to get a book out between his daily workplace skirmishes and his exercise program. The press were invited of course.

    “C’mon down and read all about it, it’s got my great big eared mug on the front” [as if we haven’t seen and heard enough from phonytony this year] just in time for Xmas.

    You should have seen smug phonytony as Warren Truss ‘introduced’ him [to his own party room and coalition colleagues], he had this arrogant, full of himself smirk, like he was a celebrity or something – positively lapped up the clapping & cheers. He really does think he is “god’s gift’.

    http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1151038/abbott-launches-collection-of-speeches/?cs=12

    …Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has launched a collection of his old speeches in what he has termed a ”landmark book”…

    …Mr Abbott told a crowd of Coalition MPs at Parliament House that he was very proud of the book. ”I represents a lot of intellectual toil,” he observed, noting that all his frontbenchers and the Coalition’s backbench committees had contributed.

    Perhaps that’s why the book does no specifically state who the author is (although a note on the back page states it is ”copyright Tony Abbott”).

    A Strong Australia is published by the Liberal Party, and will be available as a free e-book…

    *snort*

  82. JAWS permalink
    November 28, 2012 11:26 pm

    How did the PM work out recently that she definitely did pay for all her renovations but does not have the records indicating whether she received $5000.

    Same time period

    How does that work ?

  83. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 7:54 am

    Fairfax has joined hate media, its a disgrace. Why won’t they leave our joolya alone?

    ‘JULIA GILLARD enabled the incorporation of a union slush fund from which her then boyfriend later stole hundreds of thousands of dollars by formally denying to authorities that it was a trade union organisation.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/letter-contradicts-pm-20121128-2aegm.html#ixzz2DYKqjYUI

  84. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 8:46 am

    ‘Yesterday Abbott’s first question-time intervention this week related not to the AWU matter but to the internal Labor dispute over Palestine. Every Coalition question that followed was on the AWU saga, and each was asked by Bishop. The PM delighted in mocking Abbott and his question, especially as it concerned the portfolio preserve of the deputy leader.

    “Our tactics team should have thought that through a bit better,” one Liberal MP lamented.

    van onselen in the oz

  85. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 8:48 am

    But……………but………………….but………….she does not recall this and besides ………………….she’s trying her best and…………………………well this is all so unfair.

    She only wrote to the WA Corporate Affairs denying it was a trade union organisation and then when asked why she did not ask for a written resolution from the AWU to set up the organisation she replied that she was already dealing with the Union via Wilson and Blewitt who gave her the orders.

    Which of course means it was a trade union organisation on Monday but not today.

    Nothing at all inconsistent in that.

    Lets move along.

    Cant we talk about Gonski or the weather ?

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 8:51 am

    Fairfax continues to do its job in reporting on facts regarding the honesty and character of Gillard.

    She has a sleazy, unethical past, and this behaviour assists people bake judgments about her character and fitness to remain Prime Minister.

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard enabled the incorporation of a union slush fund from which her boyfriend later stole hundreds of thousands of dollars by formally denying to authorities that it was a trade union organisation.
    A newly released document confirms that a letter Ms Gillard wrote to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission in mid-1992 rejected the commission’s assertion that the Australian Workplace Reform Association was ineligible for incorporation because of its union links. The document also confirms that Ms Gillard, then a salaried partner with Slater & Gordon, drafted the rules for the association – without opening a formal file, without consulting the senior partners and without taking advice from expert lawyers within the firm.
    The revelations contradict Ms Gillard’s claims at media conferences and in Parliamentthat she played a limited role in the formation of the association, from which Mr Wilson and his crony, Ralph Blewitt, later misappropriated more than $400,000.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/document-contradicts-gillard-fund-claims-20121128-2aep3.html#ixzz2DYZAKfXH

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 8:52 am

    Beat me to it.

    Yet again there is proof that Gillard is a liar.

  88. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:19 am

    How exactly does this ‘revelation’ prove that Gillard is a ‘liar’

    A ‘limited’ role is a very undefined terminology, and she has never denied writing to commission on behalf of the association.

    Perhaps the actual place the alleged ‘lie’ took place can be pointed out for the rest of us?

  89. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:20 am

    May we please have a March election?

    Just to clear the air and settle the back bench.

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:25 am

    Gillard has repeatedly said she had a minor role – that’s a lie.

    She
    • drafted the rules
    • provided the legal advice
    • made representations to government regulators
    • wrote letter supporting the registration of the “association”

    ..the association only exists because of her activities and help. This isn’t a “minor” role, therefore she has lied…yet again.

  91. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:29 am

    This isn’t a “minor” role

    That’s all purely interpretive. To her (and probably most lawyers) the commission plays the major role, the lawyers merely provide the advice on it.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:46 am

    She did all the work to get the fund established.

    Without this help, it wouldn’t exist. There is no possible or rational definition that can describe this work as ‘minor’.

    Gillard has been caught ‘misspeaking’. The flaying defense of her is hilarious.

  93. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:54 am

    So much for her “I have done nothing wrong” line

    She’s told an outright lie to the WA Corporate Affairs

  94. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:57 am

    She’s told an outright lie to the WA Corporate Affairs

    You’ll have to elaborate?

  95. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:58 am

    She did all the work to get the fund established.

    First, it is the association, not the fund (try to remember that bit yomm, or your whoopee cushion will lose it’s air too quick)
    Do you have the evidence for that? She drafted the rules for the association, and clarified to the commission that it wasn’t a union. I’m sure more is involved in actually setting one up. In fact, the commission do most of the work from my understanding

    Gillard has been caught ‘misspeaking’

    And this is what it is all about, trying for a gotcha. Which is why the PM is being very careful in her language. You might not like the way she is hedging her language, but, due to the nature of the ‘questions’, one could hardly blame her.

    The opposition know they have nothing, their only hope is a slip of the tongue by Gillard. So far, the only ones slipping is the opposition (and many journos)

  96. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:04 am

    ‘You might not like the way she is hedging her language,’

    Stonewalling….

  97. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:07 am

    “You’ll have to elaborate?”

    You really do struggle to keep up .

    She has previously relied upon the excuse that she did not disclose to the AWU Head Office that she had set up the other organisation without a written resolution as she was already dealing with the Union through its 2 officials in Wilson and Blewitt.

    Now she’s written to the WA Corporate Affairs denying it was a trade union organisation.

    So if she is relying on the first excuse then the letter written to the WA CA is a lie.

  98. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:13 am

    Personally I hope Gillard sticks around

    Non answers are an appalling look.

    The Coalition advertising people will have so much material their biggest risk in the lead up to the election will be a trying to use too much of the stuff.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:17 am

    *Making the application
    *Liaising with the regulator
    *Drafting the rules
    *Dealing with the correspondence
    *Representing the ‘members’ of the association
    *Providing all the legal advice

    …what more is there to be done to get the association established?

    There is nothing more that had to be done, other than getting your boyfriend and mate to sign a form.

    If Gillard says this is a ‘minor’ role, she is lying.

  100. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:18 am

    I can’t wait to dismantle the klimatariat and Aunty, abolish the tax on carbon dioxide and grow the country.

    Sooner the better.

  101. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:23 am

    Yes 2DT, she was dealing with the Union through its 2 officials in Wilson and Blewitt.

    No, what they were setting up was not a union.

    In fact, what they were setting up was commonplace within unions, and not illegal, at the time.

    You’ll have to blow more air back in that ‘whoopee cushion’ 😉

    Stonewalling

    Answering questions with answers not to your liking is not ‘Stonewalling’, it is called ‘answering’.

    …what more is there to be done to get the association established?

    Aren’t you the (alleged) legal expert around unions, you should know.

  102. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:28 am

    Of course it’s not a minor role.

    By enabling the registration of the association and the issuance of its certificate of registration she has enabled the bank account to be set up by Wilson and Blewitt as that is still a requirement of all banks ( a must have) when dealing with all entities other individuals.

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:31 am

    ‘enabled’ appears to be the word of the day

    Someone should pass it on to ulman to add to his dicktionary 🙂

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:39 am

    No, re-election funds are common. The officials and their supporters contribute

    The differences here are-
    *Gillard helped establish a formal association, she played the major role in having it registered
    *She used the AWU name, without permission of the union
    *She specified objectives that she knew were contrary to the reality
    *The AWU name was used to allow the fraudsters to extort money from employers

    There is plenty in this to demonstrate that Gillard is shady, a proven liar.

  105. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:39 am

    “No, what they were setting up was not a union.”

    I did not say she was trying to set up a Union.

    Only you threw that red herring up

    The Commission rejected it as eligible for registration because of it “union links”.

    Then she wrote back saying it was not part of the Union.

    That one lie enabled the registration certificate to be issued and the bank account to be set up and the fraud to begin.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:41 am

    A Strong Australia is published by the Liberal Party, and will be available as a free e-book…

    My ereader would self destruct! 😯

    (A few, Tony & The Thumbsukkers, fans seem about to self destruct too … 😛 )

  107. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:49 am

    The Commission rejected it as eligible for registration because of it “union links”.

    You’ll have to provide the link for that. I have read that the commission asked if it was a union.

    A newly released document confirms that a letter Ms Gillard wrote to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission in mid-1992 rejected the commission’s assertion that the Australian Workplace Reform Association was ineligible for incorporation because it might be a trade union.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/document-contradicts-gillard-fund-claims-20121128-2aep3.html#ixzz2DZ39rYxA

    yomm goes on to make lots of unsubstantiated opinions to try and prove to himself that the PM is a ‘liar’

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:53 am

    It’s hilarious!

    Apparently the ALP had ‘lost its way’… and turned to Gillard. So she has fixed the ‘asylum seeker’ issue. By punishing the innocent and driving them to self harm*.

    Then she has restored integrity by proving herself a liar, on multiple occasions.

    (*does anyone still think sending 800 people to Malaysia will solve the ‘problem’?)

  109. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 11:02 am

    (*does anyone still think sending 800 people to Malaysia will solve the ‘problem’?)

    It certainly appears like the opposition think it will.

  110. November 29, 2012 11:34 am

    I though re-opening Nauru was meant to solve the problem (at least as far as the Opposition was concerned).

    Conclusion: Neither of them have a fkn clue what to do.

  111. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 11:38 am

    Conclusion: Neither of them have a fkn clue what to do.

    it’s becoming apparent, isn’t it:(

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 29, 2012 12:06 pm

    “In fact, what they were setting up was commonplace within unions, and not illegal, at the time.”

    Wrong Tom R. What was commonplace in unions was for officials to open up a bank account and pool their cash for election expenses. It was not commonplace to incorporate an association, especially one using the union’s name. The only reason this was done in this case was to enable Wilson to get employers to pay money into a bank account with a union sounding name. Without that the fraud could not have happened.

    “she was dealing with the Union through its 2 officials in Wilson and Blewitt.”

    Wrong again, Tom R. She was dealing with Wilson and Blewitt in their personal capacity, helping them set up an association purely for their personal advantage.

    She took no steps to alert the union to the existence of this association even after she knew Wilson was involved in other fraudulent activities.

    No lawyer with any sense of propriety would take instructions on behalf of an organisation from officers of that organisation in relation to a matter which was for the personal benefit of those officers and of no benefit to the union. That surely was a major reason why she was frog-marched out of S&G and did not practice law again.

  113. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 12:23 pm

    helping them set up an association for their re-election to that union, which was commonplace at the time.

    Fixed it for ya 😉

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 12:39 pm

    minor – slight, negligible, insequential, trivial, insignificant, unimportant, trifling, petty.

    Gillard is a liar, and it appears to be habitual.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 12:44 pm

    Where’s the evidence that this was ‘commonplace’? Re-election funds were common, ‘associations’ weren’t.

    Splatter nails the reason, very concisely.

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 12:46 pm

    small

    considering the commission does most of the work, and the client does most of the initial leg work, small could well describe it.

    If the worst you have is you don’t like the way Gillard had used an term, go and check the dicktionary for ‘Misogynist’ and come back with your argument then ROFL (sarc)

  117. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 12:46 pm

    splatter splattered, it all he does.

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 1:20 pm

    Just tell me, what more could have been done to extablish the slush fund/association?

    If you do everything associated with an activity, it isn’t a “minor” role using any definition.

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 29, 2012 1:49 pm

    splatter splattered nailed it, it’s all he does.

  120. reb of KL permalink
    November 29, 2012 2:00 pm

    “the client does most of the initial leg work”

    That’s what they pay their lawyers to do, or at the very least, to ensure that things are done legally.

    As someone else alluded, it seems as though Gillard took her client’s instructions while her legs were wrapped around her neck.

  121. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2012 3:09 pm

    or at the very least, to ensure that things are done legally.

    Thanks reb, so you agree 😉

    Who’s going to be the next opposition leader?

    You gonna get a sweep going? 😆

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 3:50 pm

    The election campaign should be fun. Gillard will constantly be reminded of all her lies and all the examples of her dishonesty.

    Will she get away with bulls**t bluster on tv?

  123. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 3:52 pm

    She told the WA Corporate Affairs that the Association was all about workplace safety. Now she claims it was a union election fund.

    Which was it ?

    And the other point is the manner in which she did all this work without any ethics.

    Imagine for a moment working for Company X and you form a relationship with one of its salaried partner lawyers and convince her to set up an association using the name of Company X in its title.

    And she does this on the quiet within her own partnership leading the principals of the law firm to conduct a detailed interview after which you leave the firm.

    And then we have the still unanswered question as to whether she was present when Blewitt signed the PoA.

  124. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:06 pm

    Gillard has just been asked again whether she was present when Blewitt signed the PoA.

    Yet again she dodges a “Yes” or “No” answer.

    Gillard :”In terms of the question before the chair, I have answered about how I witnessed documents as a lawyer – and there is the nature of sleaze and smear – that what you do is you come in and you just try and engage in these broad brush statements.

    As the Deputy Leader of the Opposition well knows, working as a lawyer, you witness hundreds and hundreds indeed thousands of documents across a legal career…………”

  125. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:07 pm

    Correction

    “…after which you leave the firm.”

    should be

    “…after which she leaves the firm”

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:09 pm

    Apparently ‘minor’ now means – crooked, sleazy, dishonest, unethical & incompetent.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:18 pm

    Did I tell you I had an ambulance ride to hospital on Wednesday night (seriously) … 😯

    … in a t 6:30pm out at 3am … they thought I may have suffered tia … CT scan and tests all clear … 🙂

    … then I told ’em about TDT and this thread … and they just pissed ’emselves laughing and sent me home … (just joking) 😆

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:25 pm

    Given the misappropriation of the AWU name, you can understand why WA Corporate Affairs thought it might be a union entity and therefore not eligible for registration under the Associations Incorporation Act.

    In a sense Gillard was right about the entity not being a union entity. The question is whether she told WA Corporate Affairs it was for the private benefit of Wilson and Blewitt or told them something else. I’m sure that when pressed on this issue she won’t be able to recall which explanation she gave.

  129. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:44 pm

    When you consider how many files have gone “missing” and the files kept under wraps by Slater & Gordon coupled with all Gillard’s non answers in Parliament and her constant shrieking and banshee like performance I’d say the Opposition has done as good a job on Gillard’s image as it could with what it has document wise.

    The whole week has been about Gillard’s trustworthiness and character.

    For her it has been nothing short of MONUMENTAL FAIL

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:57 pm

    Statement from a spokesperson for the Prime Minister:

    It’s time for the Liberals to give up their witch hunt and start talking about things that matter.
    The whole country is sick to death of Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop pursuing a discredited smear campaign against the Prime Minister, when we could be talking about jobs, health, and education.

    After months of speculation about a smoking gun, the Liberals have nothing.
    So, the Prime Minister wrote to the WA Commissioner? So what? She did what lawyers do. Act on instruction. Provide legal advice.

    So, the Prime Minister can’t remember writing one letter from 20 years ago. So what? Lawyers write thousands of letters in their careers.

    And what does the transcript show? That the PM said the association wasn’t a union. So what? It obviously wasn’t.

    In fact, the unredacted transcript backs up what the Prime Minister has been saying.

    The transcript supports the Prime Minister’s account that she had nothing to do with the Association once it was incorporated.

    The transcript also supports the Prime Minister’s account that she didn’t have anything to do with setting up bank accounts operated by the Association.

    The Opposition’s central claim goes to the Prime Minister’s knowledge of alleged fraud. The unredacted transcript shows those claims to be empty and false.

    It is worth restating that any correspondence in this matter would have been received or sent in Julia Gillard’s capacity as a lawyer acting on instructions. As the Prime Minister has noted, the application to incorporate the Association was lodged by its office bearer, Mr Ralph Blewitt. The decision to incorporate the Association was made by the WA Commissioner of Corporate Affairs.

    The Prime Minister has not done anything wrong.

    No evidence has been produced that she did anything wrong.

    The only misleading statements in this matter have been made by Julie Bishop when she denied multiple contact with Ralph Blewitt, and denied she’d made accusations against the Prime Minister she had made several hours earlier; and by Tony Abbott this morning.

    Tony Abbott this morning accused the Prime Minister of misleading the West Australian Corporate Affairs Commission, and of breaking the law. These assertions are completely unsupported by the evidence. The unredacted transcript says only that the Prime Minister stated that the Association was not a trade union – a fact that is clearly true.

    Tony Abbott needs to produce evidence to support his unsubstantiated claim, or follow his Deputy into a humiliating backdown.

    Today, Tony Abbott and Christopher Pyne made serious claims against the Prime Minister with no evidence. This is exactly the same thing that killed Malcolm Turnbull’s career

  131. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 4:58 pm

    ‘Who’s going to be the next opposition leader?’

    Wayne Swan.

  132. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    Knowing what we know of her professionalism and ethics now(how about conflict of interest by having the AWU as a client and Wilson as her BF just for starters) ………………would any of us hire Gillard as a lawyer ?

  133. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    “Wayne Swan.”

    LOL

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 5:03 pm

    For her it has been nothing short of MONUMENTAL FAIL

    I think your talking about either Julie or Tony …

    The LibNits may try to trundle this across the Christmas break but they will eventually get told to fuck off! By the Australian electorate …

    I’m enjoying the shrillness of the blogs and shock jocks … especially when someone mentions “evidence” …

    Anyway I’m convinced Wally is just a shonky accountant ripping off pensioners and young families … its up to him to prove he’s even a chartered accuntant (oops) we’ve only got his say so … and ToM probably lives in a cardboard box somewhere …

  135. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 5:23 pm

    “I’m convinced Wally is just a shonky accountant ripping off pensioners and young families ”

    WRONG

    He does not discriminate

    LOL

  136. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 5:26 pm

    “……..its up to him to prove he’s even a chartered accountant”

    You really think volunteering that one is an accountant is easy………… or that it is something someone would make up ?

    LOL

  137. November 29, 2012 5:35 pm

    Apparently ‘minor’ now means – crooked, sleazy, dishonest, unethical & incompetent.

    Do you have a reference to where Gillard used the term ‘minor role’? I have only seen reference to her using the term ‘limited role’.

  138. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 5:59 pm

    * So she has knowingly set up an organisation in WA

    * This body is independent of the AWU

    * This body has the AWU as part of its name

    * She did not bother with a resolution from the AWU to set it up

    * She did not bother to tell her client the AWU her reasoning being she was given the orders by AWU officials one of whom she was f**king) so she did not require a seperate resolution as per the AWU rules which she gave seperate written advice on.

    How shonky is that ?

    Now wonder she’s never worked as a solicitor since then. She is an absolute disgrace to her profession.

    I wonder what the Supreme Court of Victoria would think of her conduct if she was ever to try and get her practicing certificate again.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 6:03 pm

    … crooked, sleazy, dishonest, unethical & incompetent …

    That describes an accuntant (oops did it again) precisely!

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 6:32 pm

    ‘limited’ role means – do everything to get your boyfriend’s slush fund set up, including making representations to regulators about its objectives, that you know are different to its real purpose.

    Hope that clears up any ambiguity about definitions.

  141. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 29, 2012 6:39 pm

    “limited role” means :

    Setting up an organisation the sole purpose of which is ‘limited” to defrauding building companies of funds for your boyfriend’s personal use and acting in a manner that “limits” the knowledge of its existence to your boyfriend, his buddy, and you.

  142. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 6:48 pm

    This splitting of hairs could go on forever.

    Did Wilson have a gambling problem?

  143. November 29, 2012 7:11 pm

    hmm, so, no ‘minor’. but ‘limited’, which kinda renders another day of posting nothing but rubbish from yomm. So unexpected

    ROFL

    No wonder tabot sounded so friggen pathetic for his 15 minutes when he got called out if that’s all you’ve got.

    Did Wilson have a gambling problem?

    No one knows! Let’s have a Royal Commission!

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 7:52 pm

    Julia Gillard, a leader for all occasions…

    Certain

    Inspirational!

    Friendly & confident

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 7:57 pm

    ToM, I think your slip is showing …. 😉

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 8:05 pm

    Don’t know what happened to friendly & confident, but I’m sure you get the idea!

  147. November 29, 2012 8:22 pm

    Heads up for yomm, before he makes even more of a bloody fool of hisself today

    Access Denied

    The owner of this website (www.dangerouscreation.com) does not allow hotlinking to that resource (/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/gillard.jpg). (Ref. 1011)

    Only a ‘minor’ problem 😉

  148. November 29, 2012 8:23 pm

    I think your slip is showing

    I thought he was sounding a little ‘shrill’ 😆

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2012 9:16 pm

    Access Denied

    I’m sure that’s a criminal offence in the Liberal Law Library of Innuendo…

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:43 pm

    OK, maybe let’s try intelligent …and… “sure footed”.

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:44 pm

    Well, maybe not so sure footed.

  152. JAWS permalink
    November 29, 2012 11:37 pm

    So multiple choice.

    Would you if you needed a squeaky by the book solicitor would you employ her as a solicitor

    If you wanted a really shady solicitor would you employ her?

  153. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 6:21 am

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    http://images.nationaltimes.com.au/file/2012/11/29/3848605/PM-letter-to-Hywood.pdf?rand=1354152740399

    😯

  154. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 6:22 am

    yomms still shrilling out his 404’s 😆

    ‘minor’ league stuff yomm 😉

  155. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 6:27 am

    http://twitpic.com/bhf9bb/full

  156. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 8:47 am

    TomR manages to produce a letter from Gillard to which one could say

    “So What ?”

    She still lied to the WA CA in relation to the objectives of the Organisation (Workplace Safety) when she later admitted it was a re-election slush fund.

    Even Shorten was appalled saying its existence was entirely “inappropriate”

    I was no particular fan of John Howard but this excuse for a PM is an absolute disgrace to the office.

    If this was Howard the howls from the Left would be deafening and rightly so

  157. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:09 am

    “So What ?”

    Yes, papers should be allowed to claim the PM has lied without any redress.

    The beauty is, tabot ran with the crap, and look at him now. Cowering in his mud pit.

  158. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:22 am

    ROFL

  159. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:27 am

    Julia Gillard in a nutshell:

    Monday 26 Nov:

    I don’t have the full transcript of my exit interview from Slater & Gordon.Monday 26 Nov:

    Thursday 29 Nov:

    She (Julie Bishop) referred to an interview as an exit interview. To what is she possibly referring? If she is referring to the interview of Slater & Gordon in 1995, why would she refer to it as an exit interview, other than to mislead people?

    Dumb, dishonest and sadly our Prime Minister.

  160. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:32 am

    splat went http://misc.heathenx.org/heathenx_splat_filter.png

    lol

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:38 am

    In the face of serious questions about her ethics and behaviour, all Gillard has left is her singular specialities – bluster & bulls**t.

    When it comes to bluster, Gillard has it in spades. “What’s the allegation?” she continually asks…ignoring the fact that there are many legitimate allegations as well as questions that she avoids answering.

    Gillard is a disgrace, she has proven to be dishonest, a routine (if not habitual) liar.

    She is unethical, and a bogan. Next election, I won’t simply put ALP and Liberals equal, near the bottom of the ballot – I’ll puke on it.

  162. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:44 am

    And then there is the matter of lying to the WA CA about the number of members the organisation to be formed had.

    She claimed it complied with the minimum of 5

    When it only had 2 (Wilson & Blewitt)

    But TomR cant defend any of that so he does not bother to reply.

    Much like the PM

  163. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:46 am

    But TomR cant defend any of that so he does not bother to reply

    yea, I’m just avoiding everything, aren’t I

    Even ‘minor’ details ROFL

  164. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 9:50 am

    Yep

    Like I said

    TomR just goes “So What?”

    I do hope she sticks around as its going to be death by a thousand cuts for the ALP.

  165. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:03 am

    “Did Wilson have a gambling problem?”

    Yes

    He kept losing

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:04 am

    ***Important Announcement***

    CORRECTION & RETRACTION

    During several posts yesterday< I used the word “minor” when the correct word was “limited”.

    Please note accordingly, and use “limited” on the occasions I have used “minor”.

    My list of synonyms does not suggest that a “limited role” means doing all the work required to get a slush fund registered as an association following objections from a government regulator.

    What exactly was the work required to obtain registration, that Gillard didn’t do?

  167. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:07 am

    yomm, “So What?”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  168. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:32 am

    Actually yomm, well done for acknowledging.

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:43 am

    Tom R, the fact is that on Thursday the PM, in her full “high dungeon” mode, castigated Bishop for using exactly the same terminology Gillard herself used on Monday. It is so pathetic you might almost feel sorry for Gillard if she wasn’t such a viciously dishonest dropkick.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2012 10:52 am

    … using exactly the same terminology Gillard herself used on Monday …

    So many words so much fog … what was exactly the same?

    (I’m a bit like Tony Windsor said last night … the mudslinging is not at the top of my “must do” list this week … but I have seen a lot of back-pedalling too …

  171. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:00 am

    what was exactly the same?

    Apparently Gillard called the interview with S&G an ‘exit’ interview in answering a journo’s question, and then castigated bishop for calling it the same.

    It’s huge. 😯

    Actually, it exposes what this is all about, trying on ‘gotcha’ on Gillard. The redknecks will be all over this for months now.

    Pathetic.

    Gillard spends most of the time correcting journo’s. She gets castigated when she does this,

    When she fails to correct, and repeats the crap, when getting things thrown at her left and right, they are all over it.

    She did it with the Carbon Price, where journo’s are now actually asking each other why she ever called it a tax in the first place (which she never has), and now this.

    Well, if that’s all you got, that is bloody hilarious, and deserves all the ridicule and disdain it receives.

    So many words so much fog

    BINGO! 😉

  172. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:03 am

    However, Gillard was correct to address the matter, and set the record straight.

  173. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:07 am

    “She did it with the Carbon Price”

    You must mean her pre-election commitment to “No Carbon Tax” which she admitted on Q&A to Tony Jones that she “walked away from”.

    The links to which have been provided to you before

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:08 am

    The fact is that Gillard is a dishonest bogan. There are a dozen legitimate issues about her performance and past that, they’ve been around for years and she first attempted to dishonestly dismiss them on the basis of her being “young & naïve” at the time. Liar.

    Then there are the other examples of ducking questions, answering questions for the press that she won’t repeat in parliament. Continually repeating “what’s the allegation”, when they have been specifically addressed to her.

    She’s a dishonest bogan. A disgrace.

  175. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:10 am

    The links to which have been provided to you before

    Yes, the one where she said WTTE “but we will try and bring in a Carbon Price”

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:18 am

    “Actually, it exposes what this is all about, trying on ‘gotcha’ on Gillard. The redknecks will be all over this for months now.”

    Actually it explains Gillard’s tactic of feigning outrage and getting all shouty over trivial matters. Like when she objected to the term “trust fund” and demanded an apology from News.

  177. November 30, 2012 11:32 am

    Molecules!

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2012 11:35 am

    Gillard would have spent the week berating anyone who used ‘minor’ role instead of ‘limited’

    She would have threatened litigation…it would have been used as an outrageous example of inaccuracy.

    But she still would neglect to answer any questions about her actual role in getting the slush fund set up.

  179. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2012 12:00 pm

    Gillard spends most of the time correcting journo’s. She gets castigated when she does this,

    the mouths of babes

    feigning outrage and getting all shouty over trivial matters. Like when she objected to the term “trust fund” and demanded an apology from News.

    sigh

    I would have thought, after the way partisan hacks latched on to a report that claimed Gillard had declared it was ‘like’ a Union as THE SMOKING GUN! only to find out that that is not what was said, accuracy might be a commodity they were looking for.

    Obviously not. As a wise man once said

    So many words so much fog ” especially when much of those words misrepresent the facts, the smog can get thick very quickly

  180. November 30, 2012 12:28 pm

    “Julie Bishop says Prime Minister Julia Gillard still needs to “prove her innocence” over her alleged involvement in the establishment of a legal entity set up by two union officials 20 years ago.”

    That’s interesting.

    I thought you were innocent until proven guilty.

    And so far Bishop hasn’t been able to furnish any evidence of wrongdoing whatsoever…

    And she calls herself a lawyer….?

    http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/bishop-keeps-heat-on-gillard-over-awu-20121130-2akpf.html

  181. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 12:50 pm

    “Abbott backs down from criminal allegations…”

    I dont think it really matters now

    The Opposition have cemented her image as an incompetent, untrustworthy and evasive liar.

    I doubt Shorten wants the poisoned chalice but Rudd will be manning the phones over Christmas.

    But dont discount the dark horse in the Senate

    Bob Carr

  182. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 1:19 pm

    But as I said I hope she stays put as the overwhelming stench of her slowly rotting political carcass will ensure the ejection of dopes like Swan and Combet from Parliament at the next election.

    Wait until the asylum seekers policy blows up when they start releasing them on $220 per week.

    The lower socio-economic suburbs of the capital cities will be in a frenzy of vengence come election day.

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2012 1:41 pm

    The ALP policy on asylum seekers (this week)-
    1. Punish the innocent
    2. Drive them to the point of self harm
    3. Deliberately create an underclass, who will take under award work in cash
    4. Figure out more punishment
    5. Repeat 1.
    6. ‘look over there!’
    7. Repeat 4.

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2012 2:01 pm

    Why is no-one bringing up abbott’s own slush fund past? And the controversy around the AEC not properly investigating it at the time – allowing him to get off.

    It’s the golden boy’s life story isn’t it. Let off all misdeeds and wrongdoing as if he were just a naughty boy. Never having to be accountable for his own actions, while subjecting others to a barrage of abuse, false allegations and smear. Flinging mud about with gay abandon whilst being completely protected from fallout by a compliant, campaigning media and conservative friends in high places.

    The Opposition have cemented her image as an incompetent, untrustworthy and evasive liar.

    And that is all it was ever about, fling shit simply to tarnish and defeat his opponent. he is undeserving of high office, his behaviour is reprehensible and an abdication of his official position and duties.
    Typical conservative agenda, lie and misrepresent to change public opinion through false means.

  185. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2012 2:03 pm

    Sorry, I quoted 2DT/jaws in the above post
    The Opposition have cemented her image as an incompetent, untrustworthy and evasive liar.

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2012 3:47 pm

    Abbott’s slush fund attacked Pauline Hanson, if it had been used to undermine a union, or to protect the Catholic hierarchy, it’s unlikely that he’d be leader.

    But if Abbott has baggage, I’m happy for it to be publicised, though teenager activities don’t represent much of a case.

    Gillard deserves this scrutiny, because she has earned her reputation for dishonesty. To me, the issue isn’t simply looking at this (pre political career) behaviour in isolation, it is that she has a history of dishonesty.

    When under pressure, Gillard will lie rather than be transparent.

    Bogans do that.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2012 4:14 pm

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  188. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    November 30, 2012 4:27 pm

    Seems there is a mosquito bothering TB

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2012 8:19 pm

    More than one ….. 🙄

  190. el gordo permalink
    December 1, 2012 12:02 pm

    A pinch and a punch for the first of he month.

    ‘You must mean her pre-election commitment to “No Carbon Tax” which she admitted on Q&A to Tony Jones that she “walked away from”.’

    Exactly, she’s an opportunist.

  191. December 1, 2012 12:16 pm

    “An allegation of criminality is the most serious charge that can be levelled against the Prime Minister and is not one that should be advanced lightly. That it was so readily exposed has left Tony Abbott’s position untenable.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4401340.html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2012 1:06 pm

    True reb. I find it best just to stick to calling Gillard a dishonest, racist, homophobic liar, who is unfit to hold the office of Prime Minister.

    I always prefer to use demonstrable facts when talking about Our Prime Minister.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2012 1:57 pm

    I always prefer to use demonstrable facts when talking about Our Prime Minister.

    You forgot the sarc alert ToM … 😉

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2012 2:38 pm

    You must mean her pre-election commitment to “No Carbon Tax” which she admitted on Q&A to Tony Jones that she “walked away from”.’

    She always said she “is determined to price carbon”
    I’m not happy with the outcome, think the big carbon emitters should not be compensated, esp as they have been goldplating at consumer expense for a long time now. Let off far too easy.

    True reb. I find it best just to stick to calling Gillard a dishonest, racist, homophobic liar, who is unfit to hold the office of Prime Minister.

    Goodness, I thought you were talking about tony abbott!

    …An allegation of criminality is the most serious charge that can be levelled against the Prime Minister and is not one that should be advanced lightly. That it was so readily exposed has left Tony Abbott’s position untenable.”…

    Turnbull had a walk of shame to the backbench re grech, watch abbott get a free pass once again.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2012 2:41 pm

    Seems there is a mosquito bothering TB

    yeah, he gets tired of the “girls tell lies and make all the boys cry” line 😉

    And everyone knows you can’t trust a female ranga!

    DITCH THE WITCH!

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2012 3:39 pm

    sreb, I just read that link and believe it “says it all” and demonstrates that Tony & The Thumbsucker Acolytes … and I’ve pasted it in full below … some people don’t bother with links … most Liberal rusteds haven’t been trained …

    – including some who post here need to really get a life … instead playing at amateur fiction writers … if the Prime Minister does a stupid thing and its proven I’ll be the first to criticise … no matter which side of politics the current government is … if they do something exceptional thet will be praised for it … but simply bullying the person holding the highest office in the land is unspeakably arrogant … if the “faceless men” (sic) of the Liberal Party don’t remove Tony Abbott … and quickly then they will not win next years election … a week is a long time in politics …

    An allegation of criminality (yet alone one against a Prime Minister) should not be made lightly, but it’s now clear Tony Abbott was acting on a single erroneous news report, writes Jenny Hocking.

    As the parliamentary year ends, the Gillard Government is where few pundits predicted it would be two years ago. Not only is it still in office, but it’s presiding over a growing list of reforms – from carbon pricing and plain cigarette packaging, to paid parental leave and the National Broadband Network.

    This week saw four of the Gillard Government’s most significant reforms join that list – the first of the Gonski education bills, poker machine restrictions, the Murray Darling Basin plan, and an emblematic Labor reform, the National Disability Insurance Scheme. And although its reliance on the independents was expected to leave the Government vulnerable, even precarious, it is yet to lose a vote on the floor of the Parliament.

    Minority government was not meant to be this easy. And, for Tony Abbott, it has not been. The knife-edge election result of 2010 was difficult enough for Abbott to accept, but the independents’ protracted decision to support the minority Labor government has been almost unendurable. So close and still, two years later, so far.

    Abbott has shown extraordinary discipline in pursuing the single-minded, single-focused strategy that he believed would quickly deliver him government. Parliamentary chaos and unworkability would see a short-lived ‘Gillard experiment’, with independents crossing the floor, an election, and the return of government to the Coalition. It was a brash, politically intense strategy and it was expected to quickly succeed.

    The problem for Abbott and the Opposition is that it has not succeeded. Even more remarkable is that there is no plan B. The longer the Government has remained in office, with legislation passing and the once dire opinion polls shifting, the more intense the parliamentary destabilisation has become.

    The Opposition appears wedded to an increasingly unpopular negative campaign of denunciation and denigration that is now starting to play against them. The reluctance to focus on policy, even to engage in critical parliamentary debates, was nowhere more apparent than with Abbott’s absence from the House during the introduction of the National Disability Insurance Scheme. This long overdue critical social reform received an ovation from the public gallery, yet the Opposition saw fit to absent its senior leaders from the House. By handing to the crossbenches the crucial policy negotiations required of minority government, the Opposition is at risk of appearing irrelevant.

    This week we saw the remarkable spectacle of the Opposition devoting every Question Time not to any of these critical policy matters, but to revisiting 17-year-old claims against the Prime Minister. The basic and repeated errors in much of the media reporting of the key event at issue – the incorporation of an association for which Gillard gave legal advice to her then-boyfriend 20 years ago – has left the media as tarred by this episode as it has the Opposition.

    Once again, in question after question the Opposition demanded that Gillard prove her innocence of claims of increasingly Delphic obscurity, aided by media reports that at critical junctures proved incorrect. By the week’s end, with no smoking gun, much less proof of any wrongdoing, in sight, the Leader of the Opposition ramped up his claims dramatically, publicly accusing the Prime Minister of criminal behaviour.

    Speaking on national television, Abbott claimed that Gillard had made ‘false representations’ to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission in order to ensure the incorporation of the association. Abbott appeared to base his extravagant claim on an equally extravagant Fairfax report that morning that had all but accused the Prime Minister of fraudulent behaviour, a conclusion drawn by misquoting a document it had in its possession.

    How extraordinary that those same media that had repeatedly demanded that the Prime Minister explain actions and recall meetings from 20 years ago had been unable to correctly describe a document that was right there in front of them.

    By the time Abbott rose during the final Question Time to confront the Prime Minister yet again with recycled claims about her work as a lawyer 20 years earlier, the inaccurate Fairfax report had already been corrected. Given the opportunity to address the House for 15 minutes and substantiate his allegation that the Prime Minister had committed a crime, Abbott could not.

    Most significantly, in an uncharacteristically weak and hesitant performance, Abbott would not repeat in the Parliament what he had publicly stated outside it just hours earlier. The prospect of misleading the Parliament appeared to concern Abbott more than mere public denigration of the Prime Minister, and ‘conduct unbecoming’ was as close as he was prepared to go.

    In the end, it was clear that Abbott had declared Gillard’s behaviour criminal on the basis of nothing more than the single erroneous Fairfax report. For his preparedness to so readily claim criminality and yet fail to substantiate it when given the opportunity, serious questions must now be asked of Abbott’s position.

    This strategy not only traduces the Prime Minister’s reputation (and the Opposition has been quite open about that intention) but it also brings the Parliament and its processes into disrepute. Every member of Parliament should be deeply concerned about allowing this direction in parliamentary procedure to continue without sanction.

    It was a fitting end to an abject week in Australian politics in which the most extraordinary claims were made against the Prime Minister, with more apparent concern for their political impact than their veracity. In some ways, the disturbing events of this week were the inevitable culmination of escalating claims of impropriety from an Opposition with nowhere else to go strategically but, to coin a phrase, ‘up and up and up’.

    An allegation of criminality is the most serious charge that can be levelled against the Prime Minister and is not one that should be advanced lightly. That it was so readily exposed has left Tony Abbott’s position untenable.

    Professor Jenny Hocking is Head of the School of Journalism, Australian and Indigenous Studies at Monash University.

  197. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2012 4:48 pm

    You forgot the sarc alert ToM …

    On the interwebs, the moniker “Tom of Melbourne” has become a synonym for (sarc) TB 😉

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2012 6:15 pm

    Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour, and I an certainly competent in all forms of humour.

    By the same rationale that Gillard uses “misogynist” on Abbott, she is racist and homophobic.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2012 6:41 pm

    Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour

    For your edification, ToM … the phrase, is, “sarcasm is the lowest form of wit” … but then you’ve always been a bit wobbly on fact and actual events and turns of phrase … *

    * Tom of Melbourne (as above) 😛

  200. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2012 7:36 pm

    she is racist and homophobic.

    And of course, just like Gillard did when she declared tabot to be a misogynist, you will be able to provide the evidence to support your theory?

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2012 11:57 pm

    Much of the rational that Gillard used to describe Abbott as a misogynist was that he supported institutional discrimination against women.

    On this basis Gillard can be equally called a racist and a homophobe. All you have to do is examine the policies she supports on marriage and on asylum seekers. She advocates policies that institutionalise the discrimination.

    She seeks to marginalise them, deny them the rights that are available to the rest of the community, preserve institutional discrimination.

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2012 12:36 am

    On this basis Gillard can be equally called a racist and a homophobe … All you have to do is examine the policies she supports on marriage and on asylum seekers. She advocates policies that institutionalise the discrimination.

    er, ToM, these are the same policies supported by the LibNits … and one of the reasons many people on both sides of politics are feeling disenfranchised (those who actually think about it and form their own opinions – not the daily political room “viper attacks”) …

    … the did this little gem just come into your email inbox?

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 1:41 am

    Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop will be forever linked to Ralph Blewitt.

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/11/the-chilling-truth-ralph-blewitt-raped-his-sister/

    …Now his sister has spoken up with Mark Riley on the Seven Network, we have been released from this constraint and can report the sordid and disturbing truth claimed by his victim:

    …Ralph Blewitt raped his sister.
    Penelope Lennon has bravely spoken out about the trauma because she was so disgusted, outraged and horrified about her evil brother being considered a font of truth by one side of politics and some in the media.

    Blewitt has returned to Malaysia rather than face these new and chilling claims…

    …RILEY: You’re not doing this for money, you’re not doing it for exposure, so why are you doing it?

    LENNON: Because he couldn’t be punished for what he did to me when I was younger.]

    He needs to be punished for what he’s doing now, for what he did to the AWU, for what he did with all those worker’s money that they paid him, the companies that he defrauded.

    That would give me satisfaction in my life, if he were now to be charged with fraud, and some sort of imprisonment, and that’s all I want out of this…

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 1:47 am

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/11/besties-age-editor-fails-to-disclose-friendship-with-key-player-in-gillard-embezzlement-tale/

    …BESTIES: Age editor fails to disclose friendship with key player in Gillard embezzlement tale

    The senior journalist has not disclosed to readers his close personal association with Styant-Browne, now a Seattle based lawyer, long considered a foe of Gillard’s and her former mentor at the firm, now Federal Court judge, Bernard Murphy, so we’re doing it for him…

  205. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 8:43 am

    Much of the rational that Gillard used to describe Abbott as a misogynist was that he supported institutional discrimination against women.

    what a load of bullshit, she used his own words and actions to illustrate what he was. Something you cannot do with your claim.

    He has said, and I quote, in a discussion about women being under-represented in institutions of power in Australia, the interviewer was a man called Stavros. The Leader of the Opposition says “If it’s true, Stavros, that men have more power generally speaking than women, is that a bad thing?”

    And then a discussion ensues, and another person says “I want my daughter to have as much opportunity as my son.” To which the Leader of the Opposition says “Yeah, I completely agree, but what if men are by physiology or temperament, more adapted to exercise authority or to issue command?”

    Then ensues another discussion about women’s role in modern society, and the other person participating in the discussion says “I think it’s very hard to deny that there is an underrepresentation of women,” to which the Leader of the Opposition says, “But now, there’s an assumption that this is a bad thing.”

    This is the man from whom we’re supposed to take lectures about sexism. And then of course it goes on. I was very offended personally when the Leader of the Opposition, as Minister of Health, said, and I quote, “Abortion is the easy way out.” I was very personally offended by those comments. You said that in March 2004, I suggest you check the records.

    I was also very offended on behalf of the women of Australia when in the course of this carbon pricing campaign, the Leader of the Opposition said “What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing…” Thank you for that painting of women’s roles in modern Australia.

    And then of course, I was offended too by the sexism, by the misogyny of the Leader of the Opposition catcalling across this table at me as I sit here as Prime Minister, “If the Prime Minister wants to, politically speaking, make an honest woman of herself…”, something that would never have been said to any man sitting in this chair. I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition went outside in the front of Parliament and stood next to a sign that said “Ditch the witch.”

    I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition stood next to a sign that described me as a man’s bitch. I was offended by those things. Misogyny, sexism, every day from this Leader of the Opposition. Every day in every way, across the time the Leader of the Opposition has sat in that chair and I’ve sat in this chair, that is all we have heard from him.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/transcript-of-julia-gillards-speech-20121010-27c36.html#ixzz2Dq3m4xbU

  206. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 9:23 am

    The senior journalist has not disclosed to readers his close personal association with Styant-Browne

    Also purely co-incidental AO that this is the same journo who’s story tabot used to accuse the PM of criminality.

    Now I see this same journo is blaming ‘subbies’ for the ‘innacuracies’ in his story.

    ROFL

    No wonder they contracted them out. one more degree of separation.

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 11:36 am

    Now I see this same journo is blaming ‘subbies’ for the ‘innacuracies’ in his story.

    How pathetic. I don’t know how they get away with such blatant lying. A gross defamation and fraudulent allegations committed by abbott and his embedded media cronies and it is not challenged in any meaningful way?

    if Labor had done the same character assassination and guilt-by-association on abbott, there would be a mass hysteria across the land. All media – radio, tv and papers in a hysterical meltdown of outrage and accusation. A giant conspiracy and a manipulation of democracy!

    We urgently need an independent regulator in this country such as that the Leveson inquiry proposes is necessary to keep these filth peddlers honest.

    We also need to see some decent journalistic inquiry into the criminal operations of the Liberal Party Dirt Machine with their mafia like tentacles which reach into all institutions of power in this country. Plenty of union bashing but zip on rampant corruption and collusion between conservative politicians and their mates in high places.

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 11:57 am

    About time someone remembered abbott failing the character test. Why labor didn’t run with this months ago is beyond me.

    Abbott has his own slushy history

    …Soon after, Abbott denied to the ABC that funds had been offered to Sharples.

    Abbott, at the time a minister, then set up the Australians for Honest Politics Trust. He responded to the Australian Electoral Commission’s request for disclosure by writing: ”I spoke with one of Australia’s leading electoral lawyers who assured me that the trust would not be covered by disclosure provisions”. The commission accepted that.

    But later Abbott told Kingston he had only sought the legal advice after being queried by the AEC. When the discrepancy was put to him, he said he had had more than one conversation with the lawyer.

    Despite claiming he’d be happy to disclose donors if the AEC wanted him to do so, after the AEC took a new position in 2004, seeking the information, Abbott maintained he should not have to provide it after so long and did not give it over.

    In a 2003 interview with Kerry O’Brien, Abbott was confronted with a 1998 untruth, when he had told Tony Jones that he had not promised Sharples any money. His rationalisation was Jesuit-ical. ”There is a difference between telling someone he won’t be out of pocket and telling someone that you’re going to have to pay him money”. In an earlier newspaper interview. Abbott had said: ”Misleading the ABC is not quite the same as misleading the Parliament.”.

    Should we be surprised that Abbott calls on the PM to tell all, but was reticent himself? Not really. It’s that old story of the boot being on the other foot…

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 12:57 pm

    …margo kingston ‏@margokingston1
    Grattan dips a toe into Abbott’s slush at http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/politics/abbott-has-his-own-slushy-history-20121201-2anjy.html … Gutsy, Grats – first MSM mention?

    16h Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP
    @margokingston1 @geeksrulz I pursued Abbott over this but influential sections of mainstream media took exception and supported Abbott.

    margo kingston
    ‏@margokingston1
    @CraigEmersonMP @geeksrulz Craig, I remember them well. Kelly, Shanahan, Sheridan, Milne. Abbott a good source to press gallery heavies?

    16h Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP
    .@margokingston1 @geeksrulz That’s right. I don’t remember PKelly, but many others wanted Abbott left alone. So they turned on his pursuers.

    15h margo kingston ‏@margokingston1
    @CraigEmersonMP @geeksrulz Kelly was the one he turned for understanding in print after Kerry O’Brien destroyed him.

    14h margo kingston ‏@margokingston1
    @CraigEmersonMP @geeksrulz Tony got Paul Kelly to explain in print how misunderstood he was after Kerry O’Brien destroyed him on TV…

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 12:59 pm

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/tony-abbott-and-his-slushy-question-of-character/

    It’s ancient history now, Abbott’s slush fund ― but less ancient than the slush fund now in the news. And there’s many unanswered questions about it, and him.

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2012 1:12 pm

    Open letter to ABC managing director Mark Scott

    Dear Mark Scott,

    About this “balance” thing…

    I thought the ABC was about presenting good and accurate information. Your view seems to be that if you have someone telling the truth, it must be balanced by a lie; a fact balanced by an opinion; history balanced by rewritten history; science balanced by ignorance or religion; objective data balanced by vested interest; conservative opinion balanced by neoconservative opinion.

    The IPA is infesting every ABC outlet with its Libertarian Free Market ideology in the service of secret Business business. What are they providing “balance” for? Have there been Marxist economists daily on the ABC I have somehow missed? Even Keynesian economists? Er…no. Professor Sloan is on every week instead. Who is she “balancing”?

    What about the appearance of Peter Reith every week? A full essay on The Drum plus other live appearances. Who is he balancing? Gerard Henderson, Piers Akerman, Nikki Sava? Has there been a rash of appearances by Trotskyists, Socialist Alliance, Left Wing unionists who have escaped my notice?…

  212. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 3:45 pm

    but less ancient than the slush fund now in the news.

    And, it occurred whilst he was an MP, not as a private citizen.

  213. el gordo permalink
    December 2, 2012 5:55 pm

    ‘I thought the ABC was about presenting good and accurate information.’

    On climate change they have shown a bias towards the utterings of real scientists feathering their nests and not a word on global cooling.

  214. el gordo permalink
    December 2, 2012 6:41 pm

    Abbott is going to continue his relentless assault on a young naive woman.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/julia-gillard-braced-for-tony-abbott-campaign-on-awu-scandal/story-fng5kxvh-1226528312480

  215. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 7:39 pm

    they have shown a bias towards the utterings of real scientists

    err, putting forward the accepted scientific consensus is not bias, it is informing.

  216. el gordo permalink
    December 2, 2012 8:45 pm

    The accepted scientific consensus is badly flawed (CO2 doesn’t cause global warming) and the Australian Brainwashing Corporation is spreading dangerous propaganda.

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2012 9:27 pm

    ” And, it occurred whilst he was an MP, not as a private citizen.

    Fine, press him on the subject.

    Did he establish the fund to allow his lover to rip off the funds that rightfully belonged to union members?

    Did he claim to do it because he was young & naïve?

    If he’d done this to anyone other than Pauline Hanson, there would be plenty of activity and analysis. But like it or not, there isn’t much sympathy for her.
    ——
    TB, I really don’t care that the same terms would apply to Abbott, be probably qualifies.

    But the it seems that by her won standards, Gillard is a homophobic, racist liar. It seems appropriate to point this out too.

  218. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 9:57 pm

    It seems appropriate to point this out too.

    it seems appropriate to also point out that this is your opinion based on nothing but an apparent hatred of the PM.

  219. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 10:20 pm

    lol @ REB. i just noticed that you updated your sites by-line.

    Me like 🙂

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2012 10:24 pm

    I’m not of the view that Gillard deserves anything other than pressure, she certainly doesn’t warrant admiration.

    She is a dishonest bogan.

  221. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2012 10:38 pm

    yomm said

    ….

    Ah, who really cares anymore. Ramblings of irrelevance

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 9:10 am

    Don’t blame me if Gillard was being so innovative with the development of a word which can’t withstand examination.

    Perhaps Gillard overstretched.

  223. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 9:41 am

    Don’t blame me

    I’m not, I’m simply asking you to provide evidence for your claims.

    But instead, you play the victim card

    ROFL

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 10:33 am

    Tom R, the evidence that Gillard is a homophobic racist, has exactly the same weight that she has used to redefine the word “misogynist”.

    According to Gillard, a misogynist is one who supports institutional discrimination against women.

    Since she supports institutional discrimination against homosexuals and asylum seekers, she can legitimately be so labelled.

    **This is an assertion, just as Gillard’s lengthy diatribe was an assertion***

  225. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 10:47 am

    According to Gillard, a misogynist is one who supports institutional discrimination against women.

    No, according to Gillard, a misogynist is one who says and does the kinds of things tabot has said and done, all on the public record. I provided a comprehensive list of them above courtesy of Gillard and the public record.

    I was against same sex marriage, until reb put forward so many valid arguments that it changed my mind. I wasn’t homophobic though, I just had a fairly old fashioned view of marriage and what it means.

    You are going to need to supply some evidence of actual homophobia in order to make your case, not try and draw a link where one quite obviously does not exist.

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 11:06 am

    Standing near a sign is evidence of misogyny??

    I suppose Abbtt could also say – “I wasn’t homophobic a misogynist though, I just had a fairly old fashioned view of marriage and what it means to be a woman.”

    …and Gillard could say “I wasn’t homophobic a racist though, I just had a fairly old fashioned view of marriage and what it means to arrive here unannounced and seek protection”

  227. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 3, 2012 11:11 am

    Julia has received a great deal of praise this morning which I’m sure she must have welcomed and I bet she’ll be holding up this particular newspaper article for the cameras in the usual 3 minute grab for the various 6pm bulletin tonight.

    It’s a real vote grabber for her and her positive policies

    http://www.news.com.au/national/party-time-as-pm-called-a-hero-over-asylum-seeker-detention-policies/story-fncynjr2-1226528431205

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2012 11:36 am

    Since she supports institutional discrimination against homosexuals and asylum seekers, she can legitimately be so labelled.

    …and she wanted the no vote at the UN, so she must hate palestinians. She won’t raise pensions, so she hates poor people, she’s got the NDS up, she must hate healthy, able bodied people, got the dental scheme – she hates dentists.

    she is a dishonest bogan.

    bogan – in tomM’s eyes, I think that is her worst crime – fancy a PM coming from the wrong side of the tracks, it has de-valued all that the wealthy strive for in life. Old school tie networking, white male elites in charge of everything. She slipped through the cracks of exclusiveness. Now what is a paid, protected, guaranteed career of the indulged, idiot offspring of australia’s boadroom supremos worth?.

    She’s just a ranga from nowheresville, a swot who became PM [illegitimately, because the indies didn’t like abbott/lib/nats]. And tomM doesn’t like how she dresses either, hates her hair, how she speaks, just hates everything about her.

    Abbott = good ‘cos even though he might lie, cheat, bribe, steal and dirty as they come, he knows how to be elitist and privileged, doesn’t talk like he comes from common stock.

  229. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 3, 2012 11:45 am

    “….she’s got the NDS up, she must hate healthy, able bodied people, ”

    Really ?

    That’s News to the Economic fraternity.

    She’s declared it to be a good thing

    Much like declaring that Aston Martin’s are a good car.

    Declaring it does not get you one.

    In fact all she has done is very cynically and cruelly raised people’s expectations to lift her political stock.

    She’s quite disgusting in her pursuit of votes with her lies. Look what she did to Wilkie. Then she supported Slipper the day he resigned despite his disgusting observations in relation to Women.

  230. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 11:47 am

    Standing near a sign is evidence of misogyny??

    Standing near a sign with a sexist slogan and egging on those carrying it in isolation, perhaps not. Couple that with all of the other examples, and a clear pattern emerges. There is no clear pattern of homophobic behavior you can attribute to Gillard. She has explained her reasoning for her same sex stance. You may not agree with it, but that doesn’t make it homophobic.

    tabot can not explain all of his examples of sexism, it is just who is is.

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2012 12:10 pm

    I suppose Abbtt could also say – “I wasn’t homophobic a misogynist though, I just had a fairly old fashioned view of marriage and what it means to be a woman.”

    Women have a fairly modern view of themselves and abbott’s old fashioned views on them, it’s called get real and get fkd!

  232. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 3, 2012 12:22 pm

    “Women have a fairly modern view of themselves…”

    Yet another sweeping generalisation.

    Plenty of women agree with Abbott’s view of marriage and abortion.

    Are they misogynists as well ?

  233. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 12:23 pm

    Oh noes, tabot spoke again

    Tony Abbott apologised last night after offending the disabled by describing as ”waffle” parliamentary statements on cinema access.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/abbott-should-try-earmuffs-for-a-day-20100801-111f8.html#ixzz2Dwotljor

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 12:35 pm

    I have no problem agreeing that Abbott is a sexist, I don’t align myself with his political orientation anyway – so criticise away.

    But if (as Gillard contends) institutional sexism is now misogyny, it is reasonable to describe support for other forms of institutional discrimination in more extreme terms than has traditionally been applied.

    Gillard isn’t “from the wrong side of the tracks”, I have no idea what Unley is like, but it is on the edge of the city, and unlikely to be a place of huge hardship.

    Gillard has had plenty of privilege and opportunity, and, like me, much of it is courtesy of the tertiary education reforms of Whitlam.

    She deliberately speaks bogan, and that isn’t due to any side of the tracks – it is her affectation.

    Gillard has deliberately chosen to go down market on asylum seekers and homosexual rights. She did this because she wanted to neutralise the political issues. She put her personal (in this case, political) interests in front of her principles.

    History will judge her harshly for being on the wrong side of these issues.

    Bogans do that.

    ———-
    …and what is it with her on the Palestinian vote – is she smitten with Obama?

  235. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 12:54 pm

    But if (as Gillard contends) institutional sexism is now misogyny

    But she doesn’t.

    That was your construct

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2012 1:14 pm

    Plenty of women agree with Abbott’s view of marriage and abortion.

    Plenty of geriatrics and the fundie religious – abbott’s rusted ons.

    Going by the polls, I’d say there’s not a lot of support for abbot from women anywhere.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 1:52 pm

    in a discussion about women being under-represented in institutions of power in Australia, the interviewer was a man called Stavros. The Leader of the Opposition says “If it’s true, Stavros, that men have more power generally speaking than women, is that a bad thing?

    That is, Gillard is pointing out institutional discrimination as justification for misogyny.

    “I want my daughter to have as much opportunity as my son.” To which the Leader of the Opposition says “Yeah, I completely agree, but what if men are by physiology or temperament, more adapted to exercise authority or to issue command?”

    That is, Gillard is pointing out institutional discrimination as justification for misogyny.

    Then ensues another discussion about women’s role in modern society, and the other person participating in the discussion says “I think it’s very hard to deny that there is an underrepresentation of women,” to which the Leader of the Opposition says, “But now, there’s an assumption that this is a bad thing.”

    That is, Gillard is pointing out institutional discrimination as justification for misogyny.

    What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing…” Thank you for that painting of women’s roles in modern Australia.

    That is, Gillard is pointing out that holding traditional views about women is misogyny.

    I could go on, but the point is that Abbott obviously holds a traditional view of the role of women. Gillard describes this as misogyny – she used extreme language to describe sexist.

    So if she holds traditional views about marriage to the detriment of the rights of minority groups, she is equally entitled to be described as homophobic. If she holds traditional/redneck views about the treatment of asylum seekers to the elimination of their rights and to the detriment of their health, she is entitled to be called a racist.

  238. ToM = Two Short Planks permalink
    December 3, 2012 1:52 pm

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/rostrum-completely-appalled-and-disgusted-edition/#comment-10051

    Senator Hillary Clinton used a word recently that has been changing its meaning.

    When I looked up the word she chose in the Oxford English Dictionary online, however, I noted that the meaning of misogynist had changed slightly but significantly. In 1989, the definition was “hatred of women”; in the 2002 revision, the definition was broadened to “hatred or dislike of, or prejudice against women.”

    Thus, sexist and misogynist are now in some respects synonymous. Because sexist has been so widely used, apparently misogynist — in the same sense of “prejudice” rather than “hatred” — now carries more force with those who are familiar with the word. Presumably that was the feminist audience that Senator Clinton intended to reach.

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/10/12/rostrum-completely-appalled-and-disgusted-edition/#comment-10384

    The OED updated its definition 9 years ago to reflect the changing usage of ‘misogyny’

  239. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 3, 2012 2:04 pm

    “No, according to Gillard, a misogynist is one who says and does the kinds of things tabot has said and done”

    This is undoubtedly right. There is no rhyme or reason to Gillard’s use of the term other than the character assassination of Abbott. She seems to have no trouble barking names at Abbott while trying to keep Slipper, who said some fairly shitty things about women, in office.

  240. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 2:09 pm

    That is, Gillard is pointing out institutional discrimination as justification for misogyny.

    Whoevers supplying your coffee yomm, check the contents.

    You’ve left the reservation.

    It is not ‘institutional discrimination’ to say ‘that men have more power generally speaking than women, is that a bad thing?’

    The ‘institutional discrimination’ is that men have more power, the sexism is saying “is that a bad thing?”

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 2:27 pm

    I’m not defending sexism, simply looking at the justification Gillard applied for use of “misogynist”.

    • Deliberately removing rights from asylum seekers, incarcerating and punishing them for no crime, pushing them to the point of self harm, applying policies that have proven to be detrimental to their physical and mental health… that seems to fit in with a reasonable view of racism.

    • Supporting a traditional and politically motivated view of marriage, which prevents minority groups from participating in the institutions of mainstream society, marginalises the minority group to the extent that it has the highest suicide rates among youth… that seems to fit with a reasonable definition of homophobia.

  242. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 2:32 pm

    that seems to fit in with a reasonable view of racism.

    While I dismay at what the ALP has done with asylum seekers, what ‘race’ are they targeting?

    dodge and weave and try to misrepresent all you want. tabot has behaved in a sexist and misogynistic fashion. Gillard has not acted in a racist or homophobic manner.

    tabot has been tried in the court of public opinion, and found to guilty. Your ‘case’ wouldn’t convince bolt, who probably already believes it.

    Supporting a traditional and politically motivated view of marriage,

    Are you calling me homophobic?

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 3:01 pm

    Gillard has targeted only boat arrivals – which is the only means of seeking asylum for ‘those of middle eastern appearance’.

    There is no way Gillard would be so inhumane if boats full of Swedish backpackers were turning up.

    She has sold out to the racist redneck vote… and if you craft your policy to appease racist rednecks, you can reasonably called ‘racist’
    =========
    If you craft your policy to appease those who wish to continue to discriminate against a minority group and so prevent them from participating in mainstream institutions, and therefore maintain their marginalisation, which is a cause of the high rates of suicide…you can reasonably said to be homophobic.
    ======
    If a politician chooses to appease racists and homophobes to the point that their policies have proven to be inimical to the wellbeing of minority groups, they deserve plenty of criticism.

    Particularly one with such a history of personal and political dishonesty.

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 3:21 pm

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny

    hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

    We’ve been through this shit time and time again!

    You only need to “hate”, OR “dislike” OR “mistust” women to be a mysoginist … Tony Abbot has demonstrated at one time or another …

    trotting out all the BS that has been put to bed astounds me … over and fkn over … not a creative bone in any of your posts.

    In fact, ToM, you demonstrate that you too are a misogynist with many of your posts about the Prime Minister …

    Build a bridge, sunshine, the Prime Minister, of Australia, is a woman of female disposition …

    And despite all your rantings … I’d lay money that, Tony Abbott, will not lead the Liberals into the next election …

  245. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 3, 2012 3:47 pm

    “Gillard has targeted only boat arrivals – which is the only means of seeking asylum for ‘those of middle eastern appearance’.”

    Yep

    Who could forget the images from the last election when the Member for the Western Sydney seat of Lindsay was seen floating around on a naval patrol boat by the side of Gillard in the middle of Darwin Harbour.

    What the Hell was a member from Sydney’s Lower Socio Economic Western Suburbs doing in Darwin during an election ?

  246. el gordo permalink
    December 3, 2012 4:16 pm

    ‘And despite all your rantings … I’d lay money that, Tony Abbott, will not lead the Liberals into the next election …’

    The punters are banking on Tabit coming home first…can’t see the Coalition changing jocks at this point.

    There is an outside chance that Gillard will fall on her sword, replaced by a Labor leader we can all be proud of.

    Which would bring on a leadership crisis in Opposition ranks.

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 4:50 pm

    TB, I’ve already said that I don’t particularly care if Abbott is called a misogynist…as long as the same rationale can be applied to Gillard.

    I do object to being called a misogynist though. I don’t hate, mistrust or dislike women. Quite the contrary. So I think you’ll have to go easier on the WT.

    My comments about Gillard are specifically related to her and her behaviour.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 6:49 pm

    So I think you’ll have to go easier on the WT.

    I haven’t touched WT for some time now … and at the moment I’m in the middle of medical tests so no Bowlers Run SSV … but calling me inebriated or my comments alcohol induced doesn’t say a thing … only describes a Liberal inclination to tackle the player not the ball …

    … but I do believe you are a mysoginist … I’ve been reading your posts for a long time now and it’s pretty obvious to me (and I suspect other regulars) that there is plenty of evidence … I don’t know how you could disprove it after all these years …

  249. el gordo permalink
    December 3, 2012 6:56 pm

    ‘(and I suspect other regulars)’

    I say ToM is not a mysoginist anymore than me…oh wait, you have already called me a mysoginist too.

  250. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 6:59 pm

    as long as the same rationale can be applied to Gillard.

    Then apply the same rationale, instead of trying to create another one.

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:09 pm

    I think I have already provided an entirely plausible set of reasons to describe Gillard as a racist and a homophobe.

    Gillard certainly walks like a duck and looks like a duck.
    ——–
    There is no reason to get all tetchy TB.

    But if you start throwing insults about, you shouldn’t get all bothered about getting some minor return of service.

    In my opinion, being labeled a misogynist, or a racist or a homophobe is pretty severe and requires justification. Otherwise it’s just a lazy bulls**t insult.

  252. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:13 pm

    Otherwise it’s just a lazy bulls**t insult.

    Sounds remarkably like your ‘evidence’ ROFL

  253. el gordo permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:34 pm

    ‘Gillard certainly walks like a duck and looks like a duck.’

    Visually brilliant, now if we could just have a line from the bogon collection of voice overs to match the waddle.

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:35 pm

    Voters are indifferent to the AWU scandal, but still think the Prime Minister is too soft on asylum seekers:

    Voters are indifferent to claims about Julia Gillard’s involvement in the AWU scandal 20 years ago and rate her handling of it far ahead of the opposition and the media, new polling from Essential Research finds.

    crikey [subscription]

    “… but I do believe you are a mysoginist … I’ve been reading your posts for a long time now and it’s pretty obvious to me (and I suspect other regulars) that there is plenty of evidence …”

    “…My comments about Gillard are specifically related to her and her behaviour…”

    Wot? hehe, you must have an extremely short memory.

    I was always willing to give the benefit of the doubt re fifi, lulu & trixibelle over the years as humour [still sexist though] but Julia Gillard becoming PM seems to have tipped tomM over the edge to unhinged, he has judged and criticised her speech, her hair, her earlobes, her clothes, her decollette, what is in his opinion, suitable attire for her age etc [tomm cannot find anythiing acceptable about Gillard in any way].

    There does seem to be a peculiar snobbery about tomM.

    BTW, I think she is a natural redhead as her earlier school photos show, perhaps she dyes the greys now, who cares? she’s got a hairdresser on hand FGS! And how do you know that her pronunciation is ‘affected’?

    if Abbott is called a misogynist…as long as the same rationale can be applied to Gillard.

    What rationale is that again?
    Where has she offered public statements and opinions that offend females as Abbott has?

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:38 pm

    There is no reason to get all tetchy TB.

    I’m not tetchy … I’m stating a fact … you are a mysoginist … you chose to insult me … and you of all people should know I’m not bothered at all …

    Otherwise it’s just a lazy bulls**t insult.

    But I have evidence to prove it and you know it … simply denying it is not an answer

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:43 pm

    BTW, isn’t “tetchy” associated with older people? Ageist too …

  257. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:46 pm

    Ageist too

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:48 pm

    And so are you TomR if you think its funny …

  259. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2012 7:50 pm

    I’ve been called pretty much every ‘ist’ under the sun

    one more carnt hurt.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 8:21 pm

    hehe …

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2012 8:22 pm

    where’s ToM … sulking?

  262. el gordo permalink
    December 3, 2012 9:16 pm

    ‘I’ve been called pretty much every ‘ist’ under the sun’

    Bet you haven’t been called a methodist?

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2012 9:44 pm

    All my comments about Gillard are far from offensive. All are reasonable assertions and judgements.

    Gillard has a range of serious deficiencies that render her unsuitable for the office of Prime Minister.

    She’s a former crooked solicitor, who has smarmed and lied her way into the top job.

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2012 11:52 pm

    She’s a former crooked solicitor, who has smarmed and lied her way into the top job.

    Simply repeating yourself over and over won’t make it true tomM. but if it makes you feel better.

    All my comments about Gillard are far from offensive. All are reasonable assertions and judgements.

    *snort*

    So you say, also doesn’t make that true either. You stopped seeing reason a year or two ago, about the time Gillard negotiated her way into the top job.

    Gillard has a range of serious deficiencies that render her unsuitable for the office of Prime Minister.

    I’d rather her deficiencies than tony abbott’s, he’s just plain crook. I couldn’t consider that thug suitable for high office. I think we’ve had more than a gutful of him already.

    Gillard certainly walks like a duck and looks like a duck.

    Now you make fun of her pigeon toed waddle! You need to take a cold shower, you are obsessed with Gillard!

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2012 12:03 am

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/03/kroger-defo-case-revives-stories-of-abbotts-uni-past/

    Kroger defo case revives stories of Abbott’s uni past:

    …Kroger then made statements to The Australian newspaper implying she was lying, and to Alan Jones on his 2GB breakfast program. Jones was contacted by mutual friends after the broadcast, pointing out Ramjan has a PhD, works tirelessly for the underprivileged in her capacity as a social worker and is married to one of the country’s most distinguished lawyers, Greg James QC…

    Jones’ apology the next day, unprompted by legal threats, was comprehensive…

    Barbara Ramjan’s defamation case has been adjourned until friday, we all know who the liar is don’t we?

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2012 1:27 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/specials/abbottaffair/

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2012 1:43 am

    Another lie [can this man ever tell the truth?]

    Abbott Tries To Rewrite History On Twitter:

    This article was copied form The Daily Derp on 3 December, 2012 at 14:39. You can read the original article here: http://thedailyderp.net/2012/11/18/abbott-tries-to-rewrite-history-on-twitter/

  268. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2012 5:57 am

    Bet you haven’t been called a methodist?

    that’s a terrible thing to say to a baptist 😉

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2012 9:34 am

    Did I happen to mention that I’m not particularly fond of Our Prime Minister?

  270. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 4, 2012 9:59 am

    I watched Mark Latham’s usual 9pm weekly stint on Skynews last night and I have come to the conclusion that he must be feeling incredibly guilty about his conduct when he ambushed Gillard as part of his 60 Minutes appearance during the last election.

    He is now just an apologist for Gillard defending her over everything. Up until 3 months ago it was the opposite. He must now feel that he has had a hand in the poor standing of the ALP.

    It’s quite bizarre to watch the turnaround

  271. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2012 10:05 am

    The other thing you can get from it is, if a crazy like Latham is questioning WTF is going on with this story, perhaps those still pushing it should take a step back and reassess their own states of mind.

  272. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 4, 2012 10:12 am

    So we finally have an admission from TomR that his views are supported by Crazy people.

    Better late than never

  273. el gordo permalink
    December 4, 2012 10:37 am

    Its odd behaviour by Latham, he must have a political agenda in mind.

  274. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2012 10:37 am

    You never complained when he argued the other side I note 😉

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2012 1:02 pm

    Latham has a screw loose. He’s a hater, not a builder, there are plenty of them in the ALP.

  276. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2012 2:53 pm

    there are plenty of them in the ALP.

    And some of youse have left 😆

  277. el gordo permalink
    December 4, 2012 3:23 pm

    I’m lapsed.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2012 5:52 pm

    And some of youse have left

    chuckle … 😆

  279. el gordo permalink
    December 4, 2012 7:00 pm

    ‘DISGRACED former Labor MP Craig Thomson has denied in the Federal Court that he spent union funds on prostitutes and urged that proceedings against him be dropped because the time limit has expired.’

    The Daily Telegraph

    I demand a Royal Commission!

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2012 7:25 pm

    I believe, ToM, has also denied being a mysoginist … he needs to provide proof that he’s not …

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2012 7:43 pm

    It simply isn’t possible for me to be a misogynist, here’s a photo of me, with some supporting evidence.

  282. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2012 8:14 pm

    … he needs to provide proof that he’s not …

    He at least has questions to answer, if not a case 😉

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2012 8:57 pm

    Trying to make a joke about being a mysoginist, ToM, only makes you appear to be one … in fact I believe your attempt at humour (see link) paints you as either a homophobe, anti-gay, a mysoginist, or all three …

    You really are digging a deeper hole … you need to prove that you aren’t a mysoginist and anti gay …

  284. You're Gunna Need a Bigger Boat permalink
    December 4, 2012 10:34 pm

    Anna Bligh was appointed to the Board of Medibank Private today.

    They better sell it off before she gets started.

  285. Teacup of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 1:02 am

    The Tony Abbott I know has a range of serious deficiencies that render him unsuitable for the office of Prime Minister.

  286. Teacup of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 1:08 am

    The Tony Abbott I know is a former so-called journalist, who has fear mongered and lied his way to the top of the opposition.

  287. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 9:16 am

    WORRIES about the future of the mining boom and concerns about the global economy has left Australian workers the most insecure about their jobs in the Asia-Pacific, a survey says.
    A report from recruitment firm Randstad entitled “World of Work” found 33 per cent of local workers felt less secure in their job compared with a year ago.

    It was the highest figure in the Asia-Pacific, ahead of countries such as Malaysia (21 per cent) and China (25 per cent). The figure was well above last year’s result of 20 per cent.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/aussie-workers-the-most-insecure/story-e6frfm9r-1226530143945#ixzz2E7k1hOTz

    It seems that people feel threatened by high cost of living and job insecurity.

    I recall many pointing to mining as a small employer, and suggesting that it was not particularly important to the economy. They ignored the fact that mining supports a base load of work in many of the engineering and construction companies along St Kilda Rd or north Sydney. Banking and finance is strongly driven by mining activity.

    The resources boom has created much of the current prosperity, and with its end, the sense of prosperity and job security also ends.

    Swan hasn’t helped.

  288. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 9:44 am

    Yep

    No sense of Job Security= No Confidence + rising taxes with more to come due to constant leaks coming from Swan = No Consumer Spending= Flatlining Economy

    Swan is an idiot who conducts the Treasury Role to the tune of the Political Cycle

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:04 am

    Still waiting for ToM to prove he’s not a mysoginist …

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:27 am

    It’s quite remarkable that the people who talked down the importance of the mining and resources sector in the strength of the economy are now blaming Abbott for talking down the economy!

    It’s a bizarre mindset they have.

    But look at Swan, when the economy was growing strongly due to the mining sector, he was still using the stimulus. He continued to spend, spend, spend while the RB was increasing interest rates to prevent overheating.

    Then, because he’s completely politicised stimulus and economic policy, he’s locked into a contractionary fiscal policy while the RB is seeking to stimulate activity by an expansionary monetary policy.

    Swan has a history of acting contrary to the settings that the RB is trying to put in place.

    That’s because he is-
    • Stupid
    • Blustering
    • Has a TAFE certificate in public service supervision
    • Incompetent
    —————-
    That’s becoming really fascinating TB!

  291. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 11:41 am

    Channel Ten have gone into a trading halt as they do yet another capital raising to save themselves.

    It looks like Gina, Lachlan and James have done their money. What with there being effectively 4 non government channels ( counting Foxtel/Optus as one channel) all sharing the same revenue one of them had to fall over eventually.

    Australia does not have the advertising market for 3 free to air channels anymore. The revenue is now spread too far in an economy being driven over a cliff by Swan and Gillard.

  292. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 12:04 pm

    Swan is one real live dumb f**k

    “………………Mr Swan has rejected warnings by former Reserve Bank governor Bernie Fraser that Australia is suffering from the ‘‘stupidity of government’’ by looking for a budget surplus while monetary policy is going the other way.

    ‘‘It’s just plain dumb,’’ Mr Fraser told The Australian Financial Review.

    Mr Swan dismissed Mr Fraser’s warnings.

    ‘‘No, I don’t believe he is correct,’’ he said…….”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/just-plain-dumb-swan-rejects-fiscal-stupidity-warning-20121205-2au3j.html#ixzz2E8PJtTc6

  293. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 12:11 pm

    Three cheers….

    ‘ONE of Labor’s most respected figures has dared the ALP to abolish its factional system, declaring that it concentrates power within “the stunted perspectives of just a few”, isolates the party from the broader community and allows corruption to flourish.

    ‘ALP elder John Faulkner drew a direct link between the allegations against senior party figures emerging daily from anti-corruption hearings in Sydney and the party’s adherence to “inherently undemocratic” voting rules that enabled a “tiny minority” of MPs to hold sway over all major decisions.’

    Le Grand and Rout in the Oz

  294. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 12:42 pm

    And don’t forget every commentator in the land was screaming at Swan and ridiculing his budget surplus forecasts.

    And he didn’t believe them either.

    If he gets his surplus it will just be a smoke and mirrors exercise where he defers expenditure to the next year and brings forward revenue where needed.

    It’ll be a con job

  295. reb of KL permalink
    December 5, 2012 1:29 pm

    “It’ll be a con job”

    Is it always, regardless of who’s in government?

  296. reb of KL permalink
    December 5, 2012 1:30 pm

    “Isn’t it…”

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 1:50 pm

    The difference with Swan is that he’s more of a bombastic bulls*t artist than any of his predecessors.

    His forecasts have proved to be inaccurate, he regularly has policy settings that are sending the economy in the opposite direction to the RB.

    Swan is a stupid c*nt, but that’s just my opinion.

  298. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 1:59 pm

    “Isn’t it…”

    One off surpluses usually are.

    But if you string surpluses together like Costello then its hard to argue the entire series is a con job.

    So for all the Howard Government’s faults (of which there are plenty) its a bit harder to argue the con job line.

  299. Teabag of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 2:13 pm

    The Tony Abbott I Know will make sure that people feel threatened by high cost of living and job insecurity.

  300. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2012 2:13 pm

    It’s quite remarkable that the people who talked down the importance of the mining and resources sector in the strength of the economy are now blaming Abbott for talking down the economy!

    Good, it’s about time all that ‘frighten the shit out of them’ politicking from the conservatives came back to bite them with Abbotonomics. Joes’s out there right now talking everything down, mass fearonomics +++

    Channel Ten have gone into a trading halt as they do yet another capital raising to save themselves.
    It looks like Gina, Lachlan and James have done their money.

    All those squillionaires on the board, manipulating everything, hoping to profiteer and change/shape public opinion toward their views [politically and socially] and they just have no idea what the people want, out of touch much?

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2012 2:21 pm

    ‘ALP elder John Faulkner drew a direct link between the allegations against senior party figures emerging daily from anti-corruption hearings in Sydney and the party’s adherence to “inherently undemocratic” voting rules that enabled a “tiny minority” of MPs to hold sway over all major decisions.’

    Yep, everyone has been saying it for years, but the MP’s and unions wielding the power won’t give it up, it’ll have to be taken from them.

    No more joe de bruyn, farrell shorten/conroy etc brand of democracy where the members don’t get a say or a vote on things.

    Labor must change or face government in coalition with the greens or very lengthy opposition.

    The factions need to be addressed in the lib/nats too. The tea party of abbott is out of step with community views.

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 2:50 pm

    Look at the Treasurers during the Hawke/Keating governments too.

    Keating, Willis, Dawkins – all head & shoulders above Swan. All had an intellect and bearing.

    There were 10 ministers in the Hawke Government who would have made better leaders than Gillard…and just about any of them would have been better Treasurers than Swan.
    =======
    Yes, it’s great to see John Faulkner getting stuck into the corrupt ALP culture.

    I told you so!

  303. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 2:56 pm

    Yes you did ToM.

  304. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:05 pm

    I told you so!

    You haven’t told us anything that we didn’t already know 😉

    You also haven’t told us much on how to reform the lib/nats though, we know they are beholden to business interests [no rights for workers, individuals bartering for their pay], IR, anti-union legislation, religious fundamentalism, lib party staffers/executive parachuted into electorates bypassing membership/branch democracy or branch stacking.

  305. Tea Chest of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:13 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know has a screw loose. He’s a hater, not a builder.

  306. Tea Chest of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:18 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know is a racist and a homophobe.

  307. Tea Plantation of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:26 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know is more of a bombastic bullshit artist than any of his predecessors.

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:29 pm

    But if you string surpluses together like Costello then its hard to argue the entire series is a con job.

    How quickly we forget … Tip Custard – the only Australian Treasurer to misplace $10 BILLION … as national infrastructure decayed around the Howard government – inluding hundreds of ships waiting to be loaded at coal and iron terminals … Tip Custard who “predicted” the global financial tsunami after it hit …

    John Howard, who “saved” East Timor from the wicked Indonesians and then stripped 90% of the LNG off the new Timorese government … Little Johnny who took Australia to war in the Middle East – not once, not twice, not three times but FOUR times … how much has that cost the country …

    FMD, I get sick of the tit for tat shit …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Even, ToM, won’t put up about being a misogynist … he just giggles and changes the subject … because he knows his posts have demonstrated his sexism and mysogyny … and that’s why he desperately defends the biggest mysoginistic role model in the country – Tony Abbott …

  309. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:35 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know
    is suffering from the “stupidity of opposition”

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:38 pm

    The LibNats don’t interest me.

    I just think a few people that I won’t name (but they lurk here and post as sock puppets) should pop in and eat some tasty humble pie. When I used to discuss the insidious union hack/factional warlord control, it was always ‘prove it’.

    I’d reply – ‘time will tell’

    Now that we have a series of reports recommending structural reform in the ALP (gathering dust) and a range of ALP diehards identifying the serious deficiencies, and the self interested hacks doing nothing…those people who are interested in the ALP should insist on some severe reform.

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:45 pm

    That remains a most fascinating subjet TB.

    Though you’re starting to sound a little like my 3rd wife.

  312. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:49 pm

    Why do I get the feeling that Toot Toot and Teapot have a great deal in common and seem to drink a lot ?

    “…….as national infrastructure decayed”

    What exactly decayed ?

    School Halls and Assemblies I assume

  313. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:49 pm

    Oh I forgot

    And people’s ceiling insulation needed replacing too

  314. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 3:56 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know will never support the series of reports recommending structural reform in the AWB
    (now gathering dust)

  315. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 4:10 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know wants to build a Green Army.

  316. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 4:11 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know will not discuss the insidious _wheat_bribes_ under Howards warlord control,
    it was always “prove it”.

  317. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 4:16 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know wants to build a Green Army.
    It will hunt down the ‘ Greens ‘

  318. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 4:23 pm

    Tony Abbott’s speech to the Institute a couple of years ago and cane toads come to mind.

    ‘I will be talking to organisations such as Conservation Volunteers Australia and Greening Australia about the potential for a much larger and more capable national conservation corps. I have in mind a standing environmental workforce, perhaps 15,000-strong, capable of supplying the skilled, motivated and sustained attention that large-scale environmental remediation needs.

    ‘It would be a standing green army, if you like, that would be available on an ongoing basis and supplemented by volunteers to tackle the environmental priorities most urgently in need of sustained labour.

    ‘This new conservation corps would be Australia’s first deployment of large numbers of people on behalf of the environment, and the first time that we have approached environmental remediation with the same seriousness that we have dealt with bushfires or other emergencies.

    ‘At, say, an average cost per place of $50,000 a year, a 15,000-strong conservation corps would be expensive. It would be an order of magnitude altogether greater than previous spending on green jobs and indicate a new willingness to tackle environmental problems that have festered for generations.

    ‘For at least a generation, a large percentage of Australians have ranked the environment as an important issue – so important that the Green vote is now about 10 per cent. It’s time to give more Australians the chance to make this a career, a vocation, a mission.

    ‘A concern to protect the environment should mean much more than voting Green or joining Greenpeace. It should mean preferring those who try to do good, rather than those who merely try to look good on this issue.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/protecting-the-planet-needs-to-begin-in-our-backyard-20100114-ma09.html#ixzz2E9Sky5ss

  319. Teapot of Boltsville permalink
    December 5, 2012 4:35 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know would cut any so-called funding to this so-called ” green ” program at the firsth sign of
    ” needing a surplus ”
    This is not at all believable, el gordo.

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 5:18 pm

    “…….as national infrastructure decayed”

    Where have I heard that before?

    It sounds like Gillard’s response to higher electricity prices, when we have a reliable, but apparently “gold plated” system. Gillard proposes to ensure we spend less on power infrastructure to save a few dollars a week.

    • About 150 people in Victoria died in bushfires only 2 years ago due to decaying power distribution infrastructure.
    • Dozens of elderly people die each year due to illness caused by power failure and lack of cooling.

    But Gillard proposes to reduce spending on distribution infrastructure. I think it is fair that she provides a commitment that there won’t be any fatalities as a consequence.

  321. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 5:26 pm

    ” needing a surplus ”

    No need to worry about a surplus in the down wave and besides the political popularity of killing cane toads will outweigh the cost.

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2012 5:48 pm

    What exactly decayed ?

    Read all my post and you may get a clue … fkn … jock alright

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have in mind a standing environmental workforce, perhaps 15,000-strong, capable of supplying the skilled, motivated and sustained attention that large-scale environmental remediation needs.

    Sounds like something out of Mein Kampf!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But Gillard proposes to reduce spending on distribution infrastructure

    That’s the trouble with you and your minions, ToM, let you off the chain for a day and you just shit everywhere … get your jurisdictions right … power grids and distribution infrastructure are still state responsibilities … but then JH & The Private School Bullies did spend a billion on a hospital in Tassie once … just before an election I think … (health is still state responsibility but hopefully soon a national system, thanks to work by the Gillard government) … health also contains vast amounts of (expensive) infrastructure, jock … 😯

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 6:19 pm

    Don’t bother to blame me for Gilalrd’s intervention into this then TB. She just applies the scatter gun approach to policy (yet again)

    JULIA Gillard has unveiled a plan to reform the electricity sector, vowing to save households up to $250 a year on their power bills.
    Ms Gillard said under the current system there was a “perverse incentive” for electricity companies to keep “gold-plating” or overinvesting in poles and wires in the system and keep passing on the full cost to consumers.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-unveils-plan-to-cut-household-electricity-bills/story-fn59niix-1226528252709

  324. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 6:27 pm

    “Read all my post and you may get a clue … fkn … jock alright”

    That’s interesting TB.

    I didn’t know that companies like Asciano Limited were John Howard’s responsibility.

    I don’t think he knew it either.

    You might like to read the business description very carefully. You might actually note that the word “ownership” is used in relation to ports.

    http://au.finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=AIO.AX

    Why not try again and answer my question rather than rattle off rubbish and insults ?

  325. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 5, 2012 6:42 pm

    “…….as national infrastructure decayed”

    Actually there are very few ports that coped during the early 2000s.

    The Chinese couldn’t unload the ships anyway and the Brazillians and Canadians had the same problems we did.

    Care to try again with something more sensible than something subjected to a sudden upward slope in a demand curve.

    Besides given your outlook of gloom and doom the money would have been wasted since the world is about to hit economic armageddon.

    Which reminds me.

    We are all going to be dead in just over 2 weeks time according to the Mayan calendar.

    Time to drink up and be merry whilst we still can

  326. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 7:10 pm

    ‘…the world is about to hit economic armageddon.’

    Or possibly another great depression? I blame the yanks again.

  327. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 7:19 pm

    French car manufacturers are in deep shit and the industry employs 400,000 workers.

    ‘Eric Dor from the IESEG School of Business in Lille said France has clung too long to a high-tax dirigiste model – with state spending near 56pc of GDP – but has also made a hash of globalisation. “The Germans make top quality cars that export well to China and the BRICS while French cars are not fit for that market at all.

    “There has been a huge difference in strategy. The Germans outsourced the low value-added parts to Eastern Europe, but continued to assemble the cars in Germany itself. When the French relocate to emerging markets, they shift the whole production, losing all the value-added and the jobs,” he said.’

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2012 7:34 pm

    Don’t bother to blame me for Gilalrd’s intervention into this then TB

    Why blame you for that … its a national grid and should be controlled nationally via state governments … it NEEDS intervention …

    Besides given your outlook of gloom and doom the money would have been wasted since the world is about to hit economic armageddon.

    Something I’ve been saying since 2006 – that’s right 2006! On this blog and the ones that came before … and FYI, calling it as it, IS, is never doom and gloom* … history is repeating 1929 …

    And my outlook is far rosier than most … as it was in 2007 … but people want iit to be “good” all the time … virtually impossible in our Über Kapitalist world …
    _____________________________________

    Prosperity with Integrity!

    I prefer to thrive in a society,
    Not just survive in an economy!

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2012 9:04 pm

    I just want to live with a good supply of red.

    *posted from my phone at a nice restaurant*

  330. JAWS permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:22 pm

    The Yanks are going to be saved by being drowned in a sea of shale oil and gas. The Arabs should be concerned. Peak Oil is hundreds of years away.

    Cheap energy will be the Viagra of the US economy and it manufacturing.

    Old Europe and the UK have run their race and are destined for a new Dark Age

  331. JAWS permalink
    December 5, 2012 11:11 pm

    And how come Ports are classed as “Infrastructure” yet an unproven NBN is classed as an “Investment” and not included as part of the Budget deficit

    Another example of hypocrisy by the TB and his desperate Left ?

    Like was said

    Smoke and Mirrors economics by the ALP

  332. JAWS permalink
    December 5, 2012 11:15 pm

    •••••••••••NEWS FLASH••••••••••

    TB is “Toot Toot”

    Indecipherable !

  333. el gordo permalink
    December 6, 2012 8:17 am

    Toot Toot Exposed as Comrade TB

  334. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2012 8:52 am

    I doubt it.

    More likely to be a self banned lurker. But they’re welcome anyway, in my opinion.

  335. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 6, 2012 9:36 am

    Yeah

    That’s true TB cant keep his eyes open past 7:45pm.

    And besides I dont think TB hits the keyboard whilst on a bad acid trip at 1am in the morning

  336. el gordo permalink
    December 6, 2012 10:37 am

    Good detective work 2D… these new insights narrow the field. My guess its 7.30

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2012 12:29 pm

    I see Bill Kelty is now critical of the CFMEU for intervening in the investment strategy of the construction industry super fund.

    These unions will do anything to advance their get square agenda with Grollo, even undermine confidence in superannuation. It’s another topic for a judicial inquiry.

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2012 1:35 pm

    Toot Toot Exposed as Comrade TB

    No, he is too honest, all his comments would be under his own name and he would happily argue his point.

  339. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2012 1:37 pm

    More likely to be a self banned lurker. But they’re welcome anyway, in my opinion.

    mine too

  340. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2012 2:04 pm

    It’s another topic for a judicial inquiry.

    After the inquiries into abbot & lawler/jackson, abbott & ashby/brough/pyne, abbott & nick styant-browne +mark baker/michael smith/blewitt, abbott & AHP slush fund,

    Abbott’s opposition might as well be wearing white sheets and pointy hoods in parliament, all they are looking for is the nearest lynching tree.

    Qld gets Newmanned

  341. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2012 2:12 pm

    Qld’s effect on the national unemployment rate

    http://twitpic.com/bjfnr7

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2012 2:47 pm

    Twitter today:

    Stephen Mayne ‏@MayneReport
    Lachlan blocked Gina from answering questions about her woeful attendance record and 90k fee. AGM now done.

    Bernard Keane ‏@BernardKeane
    why isn’t the Prime Minister out driving a truck for photo opps rather than this NDIS rubbish? why does she hate truckies?

    Ross Bowler ‏@BowlerBarrister
    The AWU Scandal Unpacked ♦ @beneltham ♦ @newmatilda ♦ http://newmatilda.comhttp://twy.la/THyepd

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  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 6, 2012 2:49 pm

    shouldn’t tony be home spending some time with “the family he hardly knows”?

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2012 9:41 pm

    After the inquiries into abbot & lawler/jackson, abbott & ashby/brough/pyne, abbott & nick styant-browne +mark baker/michael smith/blewitt, abbott & AHP slush fund,

    I always struggle with the Lawler/Jackson conspiracy. If either was intent on preselection, I’d get interested.

    I realize that many like to shoot the messenger, and that explains much of the focus on Jackson.

    She should be treated like any other union official or business person how has allegedly ripped off their employer.

    Thomson though is different – he’s in parliament, and we’re entitled to expect more of parliamentarians than – “he has managed to avoid prosecution…so far”

  345. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:58 pm

    we’re entitled to expect more of parliamentarians than – “he has managed to avoid prosecution…so far”

    Funny, I think the same whenever tony abbott’s name is mentioned.

  346. TeaBag of Boltsville permalink
    December 7, 2012 8:24 pm

    ” he’s in parliament, ”
    “and we’re entitled to expect more of parliamentarians”
    =====================
    And so is she [bishop]
    Policy Lite, bishop, abbot, hockey, pyne

    This stunt, like the rest of the last 2+ years has failed.
    It has been left too late now for teabags to,
    1. change leader and promote new leader and
    2. create good policy and promote

    Too Late To Flick The Switch
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/flick-switch.html

  347. TeaBag of Boltsville permalink
    December 7, 2012 8:33 pm

    If you lot had noticed, particularly the teabags, the media have been describing Tony as ” subdued ” and other similar descriptions. The reason is Tony and his teabags have done some number crunching. They now are becoming aware that victory will so highly unlikely be theirs in 2013. The no policy idea has failed. More info when I know more.

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