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December 7, 2012

Hi Trashers!

Welcome to another edition of Rostrum, an open discussion forum.

Well it’s been five weeks since my “Ibogaine Experiment” and since then I haven’t touched a drop of wine, beer or spirits.

Not that I would’ve considered myself an alcoholic by any stretch of the imagination – more of what I like to call a “red wine enthusiast.”

The main problem during the first few days was getting to sleep. Aside from the fact that alcohol (and most addictive substances) fuck up your brain into thinking that your dependant on them, the body also becomes accustomed to the unique mix of sugar and alcohol contained in red wine.

So sleeping tends to become problematic when these things are rapidly curtailed.

A lot of people, myself included, tend to drink after work as a means to “de-stress”.  Some use it as a “sleep aid.”

To most seasoned drinkers, “going to sleep” and “passing out” are essentially the same thing, so one of the refreshing things about not drinking is to actually “wake up” in the morning rather than “coming to.”

It’s also a nice change to wake up feeling refreshed and invigorated rather than that blurry-eyed sense of gradually coming into consciousness thinking “where am I?”

Or worse still, that creeping sense of self-loathing that comes with waking up next to someone thinking “who are you?”

Not that that’s ever happened to me of course *ahem*.   A friend told me what that is like.

So here we are approaching another weekend.

By the way, WTF has happened to News Limited?   I know that their web site news.com.au was always a bit of a parody of a “real” news and current affairs web site but in recent weeks it seems to have deteriorated into an online equivalent of a bogan’s Today Tonight.

There’s hardly any genuine insightful political discourse at all, and most of the content just seems to revolve around reality TV shows and stories about so called “celebrities” who these days don’t seem to have a surname, and I have no idea who they are anyway, and do I really care who they are sleeping with or cheating on, no I do not.

Anyway, have a lovely weekend…

reb.

 

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  1. December 7, 2012 1:25 pm

    BREAKING NEWS!!!

    “Brothels subpoenaed in FWA Thomson case”

    “Fair Work Australia is in the process of serving subpoenas on several brothels, and companies including Qantas Holidays and the publisher of the Yellow Pages, as part of its Federal Court action against Federal MP Craig Thomson.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-07/brothels-subpoenaed-in-fwa-thomson-case/4414980

  2. December 7, 2012 1:45 pm

    Insightful political discourse? News Limited? Surely the two are mutually incompatible?

    Re FWA: So we have this Federal Court action against Thomson and we haven’t yet got all our ducks lined up, or even know whether there is any lining in the ducks? Why do I get the feeling that this whole business is a Monty Python sketch gone badly wrong?

  3. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 7, 2012 1:52 pm

    “By the way, WTF has happened to News Limited?”

    Do you mean stuff like this which by the way contains a photo of you and your partner waking up in the morning…………..

    http://www.news.com.au/features/mayan-apocalypse-2012/some-think-the-world-will-end-in-fire-some-in-ice-but-many-believe-the-walking-dead-will-finish-us-off/story-fngjq0bi-1226531337614

  4. December 7, 2012 2:55 pm

    Today’s “headlines” from News Limited…

    “People Should go to the Beach”

    “Bird aviary fight led to murder”

    “Would you exercise for $3000”

    “Sneak peek into J-Lo’s bedroom”

    “The history of the Christmas Tree”

    Honestly is anyone remotely interested in all this shit….??

  5. December 7, 2012 3:12 pm

    Sewage Treatment Plant operators perhaps? 😉

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2012 3:24 pm

    FWA will investigate anyone but their own, they can also refuse to appear before a parliamentary inquiry, the only people who are empowered to question any of their actions.

    #auspol #TruckwitTony FROM CRIKEY.. #QUESTIONSTONYSHOULDANSWER http://pic.twitter.com/L0ALQWcT
    just JenRed@JustJen642 days agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    Is Tony Abbott claiming $349 “travel allowance” from taxpayers money for his trucker stunt? $439,768 wasted on Abbott stunts #auspol
    Judge ‘n Jury rocket@sprocket___2 days agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    Tomorrow all truck drivers get to play act as LOTO or prance around in speedos #TruckWitTony
    Milo_speaks@milo_speaks2 days agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    @BreakfastNews Only #TruckWitTony would waste diesel @ 2km 2 the litre hauling potholes & glider fuel. #Auspol #Sun7 #2GB #2UE #MSM #AGW
    Solomon Les Hunter@SolLesHuntera day agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    In the dying days of 2012 the PM & ALP give us NDIS & Abbott & LNP take us on another ride #TruckwitTony
    leisa@leisasmith22 days agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    Next trick for #TruckWitTony will be driving a garbage truck with Julie & Christopher on the back so they can sift PM’s garbage for evidence
    Philip Sjostrom@text_appeal2 days agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    @TonyAbbottMHR Took part in a big, fat truck stunt today #TruckWitTony
    Jude@Jude012 days agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    For the next publicity stunt @TonyAbbottMHR and the wife should try living on a combined income of $70,000 for a month. #TruckwitTony
    The 100 Bus@The100Busa day agoReplyRetweetFavorite

    And this is the man who accused Bernie Banton of pulling a publicity stunt. Truly a #TruckWitTony #auspol

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2012 3:32 pm

    just testing to see if i can put a picture in comment box!

  8. Toot Toot CIA permalink
    December 7, 2012 3:41 pm
  9. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 7, 2012 3:47 pm

    It is amusing to observe the pants wetting outrage of the Left whenever the name of that Budgie Wearing Grand Misogynist Tony Abbott is mentioned.

    He’s helped raise more money for women’s causes via things like the Pollie Pedal Charity than our disgusting PM has ever had pass through her bank account as cash deposits or contributed to any cause other than Pro Bono legal fees the matters surrounding which she can no longer recall

  10. Toot Toot CIA permalink
    December 7, 2012 3:52 pm

    img src used above and failed,
    now trying embed src kitty.

  11. Toot Toot CIA permalink
    December 7, 2012 3:54 pm

    nope to embed as well, this theme doesn’t seem to allow images kitty, have to stick to the image url’s

  12. Toot Toot Jock Strap permalink
    December 7, 2012 4:11 pm

    “observe the pants wetting outrage of the Left ”
    ————————————
    Really Means,
    “observe the pants wetting outrage of the NON-teabags ”
    ===
    as the rest of us are also shitted of with the tricks and stunts from abbott, who is after all, the ALTERNATIVE Govt.

    Offering up these continual teabagging stunts does not replace,
    1. vision and
    2. direction for the nation.
    3. Policy that is
    4. explained clearly

  13. Toot Toot Jock Strap permalink
    December 7, 2012 4:26 pm

    By the way, tax cuts for the rich, workchoice, keep digging, no-nbn and sell-off everything else, don’t really add up to nation building.

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2012 4:53 pm

    “Nation Building” should involve things like installing ceiling insulation, then removing it. Or building “mini amphitheatres” for Australia’s most expensive private schools.

    Or having broadband internet that is 6 times the next most expensive in the world.

    Let’s build Our nation!

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2012 5:19 pm

    SPECIAL REPORT

    Exclusively for, RosToM …

    Speaking after the conclusion of Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting in Canberra, Prime Minister Julia Gillard said all of the states had agreed to her energy market reforms.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/States-agree-to-federal-power-reforms-pd20121207-2R7HC?OpenDocument&src=hp1

    Now can you see, Tony & The Thumsukkers, even thinking of that? Let alone getting agreement?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Or having broadband internet that is 6 times the next most expensive in the world.

    What does that actually mean? “Six times the most expensive in the world” … compared to what? Where? Which?

    Australia happens to be the sixth largest in area in the world too … d’ja think that is important in the equation?

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2147rank.html?countryName=Australia&countryCode=as&regionCode=aus&rank=6#as

    Australia is also eighth in number of ISP’s

    The number of hosts is one indicator of the extent of Internet connectivity.

    Indicating how much a nation of 22 million people on the bottom of the world actually uses the interwebbywotsit …

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2184rank.html?countryName=Australia&countryCode=as&regionCode=aus&rank=8#as

    I guess “iggorrance is bliss” …..

  16. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 6:31 pm

    Ibogaine might help those with gambling addiction?

  17. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 6:37 pm

    Its manifestly unfair the way they keep chasing after Thommo, smearing his good name for base political motive.

    ‘FAIR Work Australia has served subpoenas on nine companies, including brothels and escort agencies, Qantas Holidays and Sensis, as part of its claim against federal independent MP Craig Thomson.

    ‘The industrial agency has accused Mr Thomson of using credit cards paid for by the
    Health Services Union while he was its national secretary to pay for brothels, travel for him and his partner and hotels.

    ‘Of the nine subpoenas, all but two are to brothels or escort agencies.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brothels-served-with-subpoenas-in-thomson-case-20121207-2b0bo.html#ixzz2ELiQ9EO0

  18. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 6:49 pm

    This is for Nils who lurks at the kaf…

    “It’s also why the future of our country is so closely intertwined with that of China and its neighbours. One of the reasons we dodged the bullet of the global financial crisis was our enormous resource trade, particularly with China. The other reason was, of course, the excellent fiscal condition in which the Coalition left the Australian economy in 2007.

    “By the year 2030, most of the middle-class people in the world will live in the Asia-Pacific region. This is an historic trend and it’s the greatest shift in the locus of economic power since the Industrial Revolution.”

    John Howard at the Hasluck Lecture

  19. TeaSpoon of Boltsville permalink
    December 7, 2012 6:57 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know
    would never engage in ” Nation Building “

  20. TeaSpoon of Boltsville permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:02 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know supports handouts like
    building “mini amphitheatres”
    for Australia’s most expensive private schools

  21. TeaSpoon of Boltsville permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:07 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know doesn’t understand
    the digital age or
    having broadband internet

  22. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:18 pm

    Tony Abbott will engage in nation building, because China will help him. As Johnny Howard said…

    ————

    Congrats reb on ‘the cure’.

    And I was serious when I said ‘glad you haven’t lost your sense of humour’.

    ————-

    Important news break… our star is misbehaving as it approaches solar max, with barely a spot its looking like solar min. This is not good for the warminista.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:38 pm

    …nope to embed as well, this theme doesn’t seem to allow images kitty, have to stick to the image url’s

    thanks for trying toot – it’s weird you know, I have linked to a book title on amazon before and the image has magically appeared in the comment box, but when I actually try to put one in, it doesn’t work!

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:46 pm

    He’s helped raise more money for women’s causes via things like the Pollie Pedal Charity than our disgusting PM…

    Penance?

    He’s gotta arrange a charity or something so he can justify his taxpayer funded exercise regime and shirking when he should be working. I’d prefer to see him working on policy rather than flinging shit and ‘stunts r us’.

  25. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 7:55 pm

    Ha Ha

    Julia’s , the Carbon Tax Queen, Electricity Reforms ?

    As has already been said

    The Arsonist has suddenly become the Fireman

  26. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 8:02 pm

    Wait until the Mining Tax next year becomes not just the first tax in the history of man to raise no tax but because it reimburses mining companies for increases in state royalties it might just become the negative tax in the history of government.

    Swan & Gillards brainfart .

    F$$king idiots they are

  27. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 8:44 pm

    The Euro is tumbling and Spanish firms are going abroad to safe havens.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9728336/ECB-mulls-negative-rates-as-Europes-economic-crisis-deepens.html

    Growing Australia with economic migration could be achieved under Abbott’s watch….nation building, satellite cities and very fast trains.

  28. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 8:55 pm

    Negative Rates are The Economists nightmare LOL

    In theory they can’t exist say many.

    I believe and many others don’t believe that.

    Are you prepared to lose money whilst its safe ?

  29. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:16 pm

    There’s also talk of a triple dip recession in the UK.

  30. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:22 pm

    Negative interest rates is a blow to savers.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:33 pm

    Growing Australia with economic migration could be achieved under Abbott’s watch….nation building, satellite cities and very fast trains.

    Yep, that’s, egg …

    Tony & The Thumsukkers … have only one plan … sit in the green and red seats on the right of the speaker of the house and the president of the senate … then it’ll all come together …

    … here they are now …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I believe and many others don’t believe that.

    So, shouldn’t we believe the “many others” or are you cleverer, Wally?

  32. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:34 pm

    Europe is stuffed eg

    To much spending and in the middle of their boom they decided to go “green”

    They are pretty much SNAFU

    We are far more dumb. We go green in the midst of a GFC

    LOL

    So who is thicker than a dead dingo’ s sun swollen donga ?

    That would be us

  33. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:39 pm

    I don’t know who is cleverer TB but I think I’m worth more than most of them. LOL

    So I guess that makes me King Of Home Economics. LOL

    Perhaps the Professor of Palm Beach. LOL

    Mmmmmmmmm I like that

    New Sock puppet ?

  34. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:51 pm

    Too many economists rely on stats and mathematics for their theories. Economics is far more about psychology.

    That’s why Bill Evans and Chris James are more accurate.

    Negative rates gets the money into investment assets or consumption .

  35. JAWS permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:55 pm

    Bloody spellcheck

    I meant Craig James

  36. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 9:57 pm

    ‘New Sock puppet ?’

    Finance Editor/ The Daily Trash

  37. el gordo permalink
    December 7, 2012 10:05 pm

    ‘Negative rates gets the money into investment assets or consumption .’

    Or bonds?

  38. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 7, 2012 10:37 pm

    Bonds ?

    Not here anyway

    Why do that when you can buy shares in government guaranteed banks who lend savings to borrowers at a profit ?

    I can name 4 big ones

    LOL

  39. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 7, 2012 10:41 pm

    In Europe it depends on how accessible the bond market is to retail investors.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2012 11:33 pm

    I rather enjoy red, though not in a tropical climate. I’m not intending to give it up, unless I move to Uluwatu.
    ————————
    Tea Pot and Toot Toot make very original contributions, where do they get all the material?

  41. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 8, 2012 1:00 am

    I was not aware that Melbourne was tropical Tom .

    But if you say so

    LOL

    Where do they get their material?

    Drugs do really strange and creative things to the Mind.

    It’s all original I’d say.

    Even a Pravda journo would struggle with their stuff

  42. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 8, 2012 1:07 am

    A very strong job number out of the USA

    Confidence in your security and cheaper energy prices

    Europe is stuffed

    The world lived without China and India and the rest of Asia for most of last century.

    Economically Europe is now just a sideshow.

    The USA will still stay strong as they innovate . But pacific rim will thrive this century

  43. el gordo permalink
    December 8, 2012 7:10 am

    ‘But pacific rim will thrive this century’

    Yep, like Johnny Howard said.

  44. el gordo permalink
    December 8, 2012 1:23 pm

    ‘Washington and Colorado became the first two states to decriminalise and regulate the possession of cannabis in ballots held alongside the US presidential election on Nov 6. The Colorado law takes effect on Jan 5.

    ‘In Washington it is now legal for adults over the age of 21 to possess an ounce of the drug, or up to 16 ounces of cannabis-infused goods like brownies or cookies, or up to 72 ounces in liquid form.

    ‘Growers and processors of cannabis will be regulated and the drug will be sold in licensed shops.

    ‘It will be subject to a 25 per cent tax at each stage of that process. The move is expected to bring hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue for spending in areas including schools and health care. The establishment of the regulation and tax system will take another year.’

    UK Telegraph

  45. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 9, 2012 6:32 am

    “This reticence by richer countries annoys the recipient countries, which see it as avoiding responsibility for decades of uncontrolled emissions that now threaten the health of the planet.”

    I think this pretty much sums up why there is a purported “consensus” on “global warming aka climate change”…MONEY….

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/science/earth/money-issues-thwart-united-nations-climate-talks.html?hpw

  46. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 9, 2012 6:33 am

    Cont…Especially by those who assure us its “man made”….People just want “free shit”…end of story…

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2012 9:36 am

    I see that the nurse in London who was involved in the 2DayFM royal prank call has suicided.

    That’s very sad.

    But the attention has again turned on the media/pranksters, some people look for any opportunity to offload their responsibility on to the media.

    No one suicides over a prank. There’s more going on in this poor woman’s life that being on the receiving end of some humour at the expense of the royal family.

    Blaming the media demeans the clearly complicated state of mind of this poor woman.

  48. el gordo permalink
    December 9, 2012 10:43 am

    Recession Report

    Unemployment drops because people give up looking. A job came up in Canberra recently and a guest at my boutique ‘otel said she failed to get an interview because 300 people were on the short list.

  49. el gordo permalink
    December 9, 2012 10:46 am

    Sparta you should spend time at the cafe, a lot more laffs.

  50. el gordo permalink
    December 9, 2012 10:50 am

    Financial turmoil in the media saw my son retrenched on Thursday, along with ten others.

    His future is uncertain.

  51. el gordo permalink
    December 9, 2012 1:22 pm

    Smart move by Team Abbott

    ‘OPPOSITION Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison has vowed to dramatically ramp up regional deterrence measures by striking new bargains with Sri Lanka and Indonesia following Labor’s failure to stop the boats by reintroducing offshore processing.

    ‘Mr Morrison also said today that he was unconvinced the permanent facility planned for Nauru would suffice over the long term, particularly once refugee assessments had been conducted.’

    Joe Kelly in the Oz

  52. TeaTowel of Phoenix permalink
    December 9, 2012 1:49 pm

    ” Please, ladies and gentlemen,” the delegate from Nauru, a Pacific island nation, pleaded to the assembly, “show me on a map which countries you think are expendable.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/science/earth/money-issues-thwart-united-nations-climate-talks.html

  53. TeaTowel of Phoenix permalink
    December 9, 2012 1:58 pm

    FACT
    =======================
    The corner states of Arizona, Colorado, Utah and New-Mexico are on an ancient sea-bed. Is this sea-bed — 1. below sea level or, — 2. just above sea-level a little bit — Will we ever really know?

  54. TeaTowel of Phoenix permalink
    December 9, 2012 2:00 pm

    Parts of Nevada, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas are also on this ancient sea-bed.

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2012 4:29 pm

    No one suicides over a prank. There’s more going on in this poor woman’s life that being on the receiving end of some humour at the expense of the royal family.

    It’s not a prank for a nurse, it has serious consequences regarding professional performance.

    Depends how mentally stable she is and how well she can cope with pressure. Everyone is different. Can you imagine the fallout from the hospital and how well was it managed? Did the machinery of the royal ‘firm’ come down heavy or did the hospital management on their behalf?

    I think if that happened to me [giving out private info over the phone, which BTW is against every hospital policy] I would feel mortified. Even if it was just an ordinary citizen affected let alone the most powerful family in the land as well as an associated media shitstorm. Imagine the carry on and hysteria from everyone because it was a royal. Imagine the stress of thinking she might be sued or hounded by the press as well as any discipline coming her way? Losing her job in public disgrace?

    I always think of how my dad described suicide “an act of temporary insanity with a permanent outcome”, just not right in the head at that time.

    Perhaps if she had gone out & got drunk, spoken to friends, visited family or something, she might not have decided it be best to have a permanent sleep.

  56. TeaCup of Boltsville permalink
    December 9, 2012 5:00 pm

    ” Did the machinery of the royal ‘firm’ come down heavy or did the hospital management on their behalf? ”
    ===========================
    You can count on that Kitty.

  57. TeaCup of Boltsville permalink
    December 9, 2012 5:06 pm

    ” the stress of thinking she might be sued or”
    ” hounded by the press “ (definitely)
    “as well as any discipline coming her way? Losing her job in public disgrace? ”
    ============================
    This is right on the money too.
    The radio idiots are in hiding, under police protection and the radio station has 21,000 ‘ hate’ messages on the station facebook page.

  58. TeaCup of Boltsville permalink
    December 9, 2012 5:09 pm

    Sorry Kitty, I wasn’t clear.
    The hate messages are directed at the radio station/idiots, not the nurse.

  59. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 9, 2012 10:54 pm

    “But the attention has again turned on the media/pranksters,
    some people look for any opportunity to offload their responsibility
    on to the media.”

    Exactly ToM

    The “Royal” hospital at question priding itself on security no doubt in order to get the “Royal” designation gets its PR machine to do a “look over there” at those Aussie arseholes who proved our security actually sucks . Never mind the poor nurse that had to fill in answering phones at a “high security” location with the resources of the entire World Press outside the door hanging on every word coming out of the joint. And yet no one thought about telephone security

    Then we get people who grew up laughing at Candid Camera ( with its own Gotcha moments) or the later Chaser APEC stunt ( when security was police criticised) now condemning the same thing

    It is a tragedy but the hypocrisy is “way out there”

    That poor woman needed support well before last week.

    I suspect a few of the Left might agree

  60. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 9, 2012 11:21 pm

    “This is right on the money too.
    The radio idiots are in hiding, under police protection and the radio station has 21,000 ‘ hate’ messages on the station facebook page.”

    How amusing are some opinions .

  61. Toot Toot Ya Still Not Gonna Float permalink
    December 10, 2012 12:20 am

    Hey Palm Professor,
    The radio idiots are in hiding, under police protection and the radio station has 21,000 ‘ hate’ messages on the station facebook page.”
    10 News Flash (paraphrased)

  62. Toot Toot Ya Still Not Gonna Float permalink
    December 10, 2012 12:38 am

    In election year 2013 the trash, the kaf, and even bolts blog will provide endless entertainment for the public. Watch, as Tony slides into the abyss, the complete unhinging of teabags and the louder screeching of nonsense. Stay Tuned!

  63. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 10, 2012 1:17 am

    TeaTowel of Phoenix,

    Hmm…Does that mean that the sea had risen and regressed at some point without the influence of man? You get the impression there are factors involved we don’t quite understand and have absolutely no influence over….Hmm…..Figure that?

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2012 2:48 am

    The radio idiots are in hiding, under police protection and the radio station has 21,000 ‘ hate’ messages on the station facebook page.

    They deserve every one of them.

    The radio idiots would have been receiving [I can’t say earned] about 3-4 times her wage. I know who I think was doing the more valuable public service. She was probably flat chat with bedside care of patients, interrupted her work to answer the phone because there was no admin support and got caught. She would have thought she was doing the right thing because the hospital management had probably been drilling them about ensuring the royal family’s every request and need was pandered to. Normally she wouldn’t have seen hospital managers slumming it on the wards, but you can bet they were all over the place big noting themselves and grovelling.

    I can’t tell you how sad I feel about this, I was working night shift having my tea break when news of her death came on TV, I felt shocked and profoundly saddened that she was placed in such a position through performing her usual work. Such unwarranted stress placed upon her that she thought it best to end her own life.

    All because of unfunny stunts by radio idiots who I am sure are getting much more support in their ‘frail state’ than she ever got at her workplace.

  65. December 10, 2012 2:52 am

    “I suspect a few of the Left might agree”

    Count me in…

  66. December 10, 2012 2:56 am

    I blame conflated notions of the pervading royalty fetish.

    Suicide is awful & tragic; but personal & the ultimate full stop.

    I really like your father’s adage, KL…”suicide “an act of temporary insanity with a permanent outcome”, just not right in the head at that time
    Succint.

  67. Toot Toot Ya Still Not Gonna Float permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:20 am

    ” hospital management had probably been drilling them about ensuring the royal family’s every request and need was pandered to. Normally she wouldn’t have seen hospital managers slumming it on the wards, but you can bet they were all over the place big noting themselves and grovelling. “
    =======================
    Yes. I have seen this in Australian Hospitals, I have no doubt the UK hospitals are any different.

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:08 am

    That’s a fair definition of suicide.
    ———————-
    I agree that the cause of the suicide is the sense of forelock tugging that some have towards the royal family.

    Rather than blame a practical joke for the tragedy, people should have a look at the actual cause – the privilege demanded by the upper class, which imposed the sense of humiliation on the poor woman.

    It’s time to blame the anachronistic class system in the UK, rather than the harmless sense of humour among radio personalities.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:55 am

    I suspect a few of the Left might agree

    I’m inclined to agree …

    … a friend I’d known for over fifty years committed suicide last months … the “final straw” for him would be insignificant to most people … but he had suffered for many years, including the death of his wife two years ago …

    The “strange” feeling I had that someone I knew had committed suicide is difficult to describe … somehow responsible??

    The DJ’s only came under fire after the suicide … and the “hate mails” may include a lot of guilt from the senders …

    The real target should be the hospital management … it is after all the “hospital of choice” for The Firm …

    While most hospitals have a great deal of expertise under thier roofs … management skills are often poorly represented … that seems to be the case here …

    (Just as an example of protocols and how easy it is to set one up – during my stint at JH, any telephone queries referring to asbestos were not to be answered but immediately transferred to a dedicated number in Sydney.)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    the harmless sense of humour among radio personalities.

    Not sure its always harmless, ToM … but it’s certainly witless …

  70. el gordo permalink
    December 10, 2012 11:40 am

    ‘AUSTRALIA has backed a global climate change deal that offers poor countries financial aid for the “loss and damage” they suffer from extreme weather events, in a new step that could one day leave taxpayers with a $3 billion annual bill.

    ‘Developing nations acclaimed the deal for clearing the way for compensation claims against advanced economies as the summit failed to set new targets to cut greenhouse gas emissions, further delaying the crucial decisions until 2014.’

    David Crowe in the Oz

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 11:50 am

    CO² And You, egg, off you go … 🙂

  72. el gordo permalink
    December 10, 2012 12:06 pm

    Drat…I thought wally might be interested.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 12:58 pm

    I’m always amused by the tortuous semantics ALP barrackers engage in to ‘prove’ Gillard isn’t a ‘lair’

    Was her breach of her written agreement a ‘lie’? Or her ‘no carbon tax’ undertaking to the electorate?

    It is an exercise in semantics, because regardless of whether she ‘lied; the fact is that she is dishonest…and has a long record of this.

  74. December 10, 2012 1:13 pm

    Interesting to observe the posters here who speculate on the nurse’s state of mind and hypothesise that “she must’ve been unstable” rather than focus on the “ratings at any cost” mentality of the radio stations.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2012 2:42 pm

    Interesting to observe the posters here who speculate on the nurse’s state of mind and hypothesise that “she must’ve been unstable”

    in my defence reb, I think that to kill herself, she could not have been quite stable at that point, unless she thought death was the only way out of her [temporary] misery. I think that she had the worst day at work, could have been ripped into by the bosses for embarrassing the royals/hosp. Then sees herself on the global media, can’t turn on TV or radio or face anyone without the embarrassment played over and over. Feels a laughing stock on a global scale – how stable would anyone feel?

    I do blame the radio people for her death, she would ordinarily have done her days work and then gone home to rest, very routine stuff with which she was most competent at, then all of a sudden she is overloaded with stress beyond her expectations and the feeling that she has failed in her duty of care to a VIP pt. as a nurse. She would be terribly worried about repercussions and losing her job. It would have overwhelmed her.

    If they hadn’t pulled the prank, she would be alive today and working as usual.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 10, 2012 2:43 pm

    I’m always amused by the tortuous semantics ALP barrackers engage in to ‘prove’ Gillard isn’t a ‘lair’

    A lair? She’s not even flamboyant! 🙂

  77. el gordo permalink
    December 10, 2012 2:54 pm

    By and large The Daily Terror readers don’t blame the shock jocks.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/southern-cross-austereo-bosses-scramble-to-radio-fallout-shelter/story-e6freuy9-1226533219733

  78. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:00 pm

    ” people should have a look at the actual cause – the privilege demanded by the upper class,”
    **************************
    What! The stuff you teabags keep lobbying for yomm?

  79. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:08 pm

    ” harmless sense of humour among radio personalities.”
    ***************************
    Sounds like the chaff-bag defense.

  80. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:12 pm

    If you notice the teabags are only too willing to jump to the defense of corporate media no matter how many suicides it triggers, the number of phones hacked or quantity of citizens stalked.

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:13 pm

    “Flamboyant” Very funny AO. That’s what happens with technology! If only we were all exchanging post cards.

  82. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:30 pm

    ‘ tortuous semantics ALP barrackers engage ‘
    ********************************
    The Tony Abbott I know
    enjoys the tortuous semantics teabag barrackers engage in

  83. Tea_Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 10, 2012 3:52 pm

    ” Terror readers don’t blame the shock jocks.”
    ***********************************
    I don’t even need to click the link on this one el’gordo. The terror will be backing radio and hospital management and slamming the nurse.
    The usual Swamp Of Misogyny

  84. reb of Penang permalink
    December 10, 2012 4:11 pm

    “If only we were all exchanging post cards.”

    You mean Tony Abbott’s Internet plan?

  85. TeaCup of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 4:31 pm

    LOL brilliant reb!

  86. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 10, 2012 6:42 pm

    Kitty, the nurse had kids.
    (from tv news yomm)
    The radio idiots aren’t finding it funny now.
    The woman (idiot) crying her eyes out.
    The man idiot is not looking too well either.
    Idiot radio station has stopped all ads.
    (not my opinion yomm)

  87. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 10, 2012 6:52 pm

    Idiot radio and the rest of the media will end up throwing these 2 -idiots to the wolves. The media (and-teabags) lobbied for no regulation at recent ‘inquiry’ and seem to have stalled it. Now watch them all (and-teabags) turn on the idiots, including their own station.
    (opinion – go for it yomm)

  88. TeaBag of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 7:05 pm

    Earlier at this blog, teabags tried to compare the ‘chaser’ stunt with idiot radio stunt. This is a false comparison.

    The ‘chaser’ boys put the chaser boys at risk, the cops had the guns, not chaser.

    The radio idiots did not, at any time, put themselves at any risk during their so-called prank. The idiots only put at risk, the hospital and its staff.

  89. TeaBag of Boltsville permalink
    December 10, 2012 7:07 pm

    and patients, maybe.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 7:41 pm

    Interesting to observe the posters here who speculate on the nurse’s state of mind and hypothesise that “she must’ve been unstable” rather than focus on the “ratings at any cost” mentality of the radio stations.

    So where are the outraged posts here … BEFORE this poor woman committed suicide … I’ve seen so much “hindsight” criticisms in my life its sickening … everyone is a bloody expert AFTER the event …

    The real culprits in this are the hospital management team who failed in their duty of care to their client (patient) in preventing a security breach (the “favoured” hospital of The Firm for goodness sake!) and then seemingly handled their duty of care to the nurse, very badly after the event …

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 7:46 pm

    The sockpuppets aren’t yet pulling their weight.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 7:51 pm

    The sockpuppets aren’t yet pulling their weight.

    repitition is just repitition is just repitition is just repitition is just repitition is just repitition …

    As you and your sock puppets know, ToM … 😉

  93. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 7:55 pm

    ” The real culprits in this are the hospital management team”
    ****************** **********
    Bullshit. The hospital had nothing to do with illegally recording, or broadcasting her error to the world.

    FACT
    NSW recording Laws have been broken by 2day

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:02 pm

    Bullshit. Yersel’

    The hospital management should have had protocols in place to PREVENT such an event happening … its referred to as RISK MANAGEMENT …

    The radio station call OR any call should have been monitored and controlled … the client would (should have) have been “defended” by a security agency SO14 … where were they?

    If the call hadn’t got through … would the nurse have committed suicide?

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:03 pm

    NSW recording Laws have been broken by 2day

    Link? (Laws are always open to interpretation)

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:04 pm

    ”FACT

    NSW recording Laws have been broken by 2day”

    That is indeed fascinating!

    Did you know that it is also a “FACT” that Craig Thomson broke the LAW?!!

    I think it is great when “assertions” and “allegations” become “FACT”

  97. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:09 pm

    The hospital management should have had protocols in place to PREVENT such an event happening … its referred to as RISK MANAGEMENT
    ***********************************
    That is Legal Step 2 TB.

    The 2day management should have had protocols in place to PREVENT illegal recordings happening … its referred to as RISK MANAGEMENT

    And should have enforced its own code of conduct, ACMA code, broadcast regs and NOT broadcast an illegal recording without consent of the ‘pranked’

    Thats Legal step 1

    Federal cops will also reveal that 2day ‘dialed’ the hospital, instigated.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:12 pm

    A practical joke was the cause of a suicide?

    I doubt it. More likely –

    • An unsupportive hospital administration
    • Possibly facing taunting by colleagues
    • The UK class system that requires immediate acquiescence, rather then probing about who is on the phone

  99. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:28 pm

    Link?
    http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/act+69+1984+FIRST+0+N

    that’s nsw, I guess I better spoon-feed you lot with the Federal link too, huh?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:31 pm

    I’m inclined to agree with this “scenario” … (and I’m old enough to remember Mandy Rice-Davies)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-lewis/royal-prank-nurse-suicide_b_2266447.html

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:37 pm

    TT

    Did you even read the “preamble” …

    Status Information

    Currency of version
    Current version for 6 December 2005 to date (accessed 10 December 2012 at 20:31).
    Legislation on this site is usually updated within 3 working days after a change to the legislation.

    Provisions in force
    The provisions displayed in this version of the legislation have all commenced. See Historical notes

    Does not include amendments by:
    Miscellaneous Acts (Local Court) Amendment Act 2007 No 94 (not commenced)

    Note:
    The Act was repealed by sec 62 of the Surveillance Devices Act 2007 No 64 with effect from 1.8.2008.

    Responsible Minister
    Attorney General

    Authorisation
    This version of the legislation is compiled and maintained in a database of legislation by the Parliamentary Counsel’s Office and published on the NSW legislation website, and is certified as the form of that legislation that is correct under section 45C of the Interpretation Act 1987.
    File last modified 1 August 2008.

    This was not a police or security surveillance exercise … the worst is a breach of privacy …

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 8:38 pm

    So we can all agree that when assertion is written “FACT” we can assume it’s illegal.

    Personally, I think that’s a great development in blogging. It makes discussing Craig much easier.

  103. Even Tide permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:13 pm

    UK class system

    So when it comes to analysing the power relationships within the population of the UK, the concept of ‘class’ is considered useful? Is it also useful in analysing the reality of what happens within Australian society? if not then why not? And I am not suggesting for a moment that the societies are the same, just whether or not ‘class’ is a useful concept or not when it comes to analysis..

    As for this ‘incident’, it seems to me that ‘management’ broadly defined to include the legal team that okayed the ‘broadcast’ must wear the most blame. Such blame must extend to employing these obviously immature DJs.

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:29 pm

    I recall Chaser dressing up and getting through a couple of levels of security in Sydney a few years ago (APEC I think), under false pretences.

    I suppose all those condemning this prank will turn on Chaser.
    ——————–
    The UK is riddled with forelock tuggers, all competing for a Fawner of the Year Award.

    That’s their class system.

  105. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:33 pm

    Sorry TB, I pulled it out of browser history and didn’t check it. My blue. It’s old, canceled.

  106. Even Tide permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:37 pm

    As always yom, you miss the point or (to be more charitable) you dodge the question. Is ‘conceptual analysis’ beyond your capabilities?.

    Yes I know it’s so much easier to simply repeat the Monk’s talking points

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 10, 2012 9:41 pm

    Fine then Even…

    So when it comes to analysing the power relationships within the population of the UK, the concept of ‘class’ is considered useful?”

    Yes

    ”Is it also useful in analysing the reality of what happens within Australian society? “

    Yes, but only as far as the “hack/warlord class” is concerned.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 10:01 pm

    Or Robber barons … of course … a centuries old “class” based upon wealth and power … unlike the poor “upper class” in the UK … oh wait …

  109. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 10:25 pm

    nsw
    http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/act+64+2007+whole+0+N
    note, it applies to police and media and citizens TB

  110. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 10, 2012 10:34 pm

    I do hope none of the stone throwers found the original Borat movie amusing. That was just one giant prank feat .

    I pissed myself laughing.

    I’m with TB . Why did the hospital not have a simple Royal Liaison password system.

    No password then just hang up.

  111. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 10, 2012 10:59 pm

    Perfect Storm

    • royal hospital so broke it can’t employ a receptionist at 5:30 in the morning.

    • Indian nurse answers phone and does not recognise really bad accents

    •perhaps she didn’t realise that she was even at the “filtering” point.

    • call put thru to another nurse who thinks call already “filtered”

    •young DJs pursue the conversation.

    • Indian nurse does not realise the English/Aussie send up comedy rivalry

    •English press pursue the embarrassment of the nurse and hospital.

    • 2day fm call 5 times to get permission to broadcast but do so anyway. They knew they were obligated by reason of 5 calls yet still went ahead. Breach of law.

    • Australian Media now chastised and lectured by English tabloids about ethics and responsibility

    Wow !

  112. Even Tide permalink
    December 10, 2012 11:16 pm

    Interesting ‘construction’ Professor. One of an almost infinite number of possibilities? Not sure myself.

  113. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 11:19 pm

    While Palm Professor and TB are putting good points to the hospital failures, which there are some, the point of both criminal and civil court cases in the future will come back to,

    Who Dialed the phone to who.

  114. Even Tide permalink
    December 10, 2012 11:33 pm

    “Who Dialed (sic) the phone to who (sic)”

    Don’t think you have that right Toot Toot. Given that the ‘law’ is very proper and conservative and therefore focussed on detail, I suspect that the question might be.

    “Who dialled the phone to whom?”

    But I suspect it will never come to that.

  115. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 10, 2012 11:56 pm

    ” the ‘law’ is very proper and conservative and therefore focussed on detail,”
    ********************
    Correct. That is why I would suspect the hospital will have

    1. requested phone records from AFP.
    2. Made complaints to ACMA for recording, and
    3. broadcasting without permission

    dialing = instigating

  116. Even Tide permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:21 am

    “suspect the hospital will have .. requested phone records from AFP”

    Well one can entertain that possibility, but again that would be further evidence of their ‘incompetence’. While such a request might receive a favourable response from a properly constituted inquiry (inquest?), it’s very unlikely that the AFP will hand over such records to such an organisation,

    Or at least I hope not.

  117. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:24 am

    Wow! ABC is running a teabag program.

  118. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:29 am

    ” it’s very unlikely that the AFP will hand over such records “
    Wrong! AFP are obliged to investigate.
    Even you are entitled to your inbound call list from your carrier, on request.

  119. Even Tide permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:36 am

    “Wrong! AFP are obliged to investigate.”

    Really? By whom? Are you seriously suggesting that any nutter can request phone records on incoming and outgoing calls made by any individual? Don’t think so. Or at least I hope not.

    Perhaps you have a credible link?

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:54 am

    I don’t know why the royals couldn’t have had one of their own ‘people’ answering and vetting the phone calls anyway. Haven’t they got the usual bodyguards and entourage of staffers and assistants, media managers? The Hospital management could have lent a hand or two with a high profile pt. whose media interest would naturally tax the existing resources [that they should be managing]. Too many chiefs and not enough indians?

    I think the tragedy reflects a failure in management all round – the royals, the hospital and the radio station. The radio show didn’t respect a pt’s privacy, their health/medical treatment and had no moral compass re taboo areas. The hospital management should have had a plan in place to ‘manage’ phone calls from the pts. own VIP family and media interest.

  121. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:54 am

    All police, state or afp, are obliged to take all complaints seriously and follow up.
    police.qld.gov.au

  122. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 12:58 am

    request phone records on incoming and outgoing

    on their OWN line

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2012 1:09 am

    royal hospital so broke it can’t employ a receptionist at 5:30 in the morning.

    Surprisingly, most hospital’s don’t, their business plans cover 8-4:30 [business hours] operations of admin and allied health staff. Hospitals don’t resource for the 24 hr service that they supposedly provide. Hospitals run on the goodwill and additional workloads of doctors and nurses after business hours. Haven’t you noticed that investigations, procedures and surgeries on sick people always get delayed until next day?

  124. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 1:13 am

    ” Hospitals don’t resource for the 24 hr service”
    ************************
    You know that, and I know that, but teabags are hell bent on delegating blame onto the hospital, instead of the instigators of this sorry sack of shit.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2012 1:30 am

    Some questions there that I’d like answered as well:

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/life/health/who-killed-jacintha-saldanha/

    You know that, and I know that, but teabags are hell bent on delegating blame onto the hospital, instead of the instigators of this sorry sack of shit.

    I don’t think the hospital is blameless, perhaps they could have foreseen or at the least prepared for such an event. After all, the pt was in their care.

  126. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 1:41 am

    Are you aware 2day is the mob that houses the morons Jackie and Vile Kyle. The current young idiots were another set of Jackie-Kyles producing bullshit.

    Hospitals and Nurses provide essential service to their community.

    2day doesn’t.

  127. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 1:53 am

    Nah, sorry Kitty, independentaustralia.net doesn’t sway me. The fact remains that 2day is a nest of misogyny, and all the australian media lobbied against regulation and the media inquiry, which may (or not) prevented 2days bullshit. The major failure is still with our media generally, and 2day specifically.

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2012 2:49 am

    The major failure is still with our media generally, and 2day specifically.

    I agree with that toot toot, if they had not performed the stunt and had’ve respected their own codes of practice and the privacy of people doing their jobs under pressure, a nurse and mother would be alive today.

    I still think that there was a failure in management of all three, the radio show, the royal family and the hospital. The phone call should not have been made to hospital staff in the first instance and the nurse should not have had to deal with the call.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 11:16 am

    The major failure is still with our media generally, and 2day specifically.

    While I agree with the sentiment of this comment, it is purely subjective …

    I still think that there was a failure in management of all three, the radio show, the royal family and the hospital.

    The comment above is far more objective …

    … but teabags are hell bent on delegating blame onto the hospital, instead of the instigators of this sorry sack of shit.

    The comment above is subjective and emotional … for a number of reasons

    a) I’m not a “teabag” … (I think?) … and I have commented from my first post on the subject that the hospital should have been far more vigilant … given the high profile of the patient in question …

    b) The hospital does have a number of serious security issues as discussed above

    c) The security unit (SO14) detailed to the royal family (The Firm) will be going through some serious reviews of protocols, policies and procedures … (and so should the hospital) … as for the radio station … they seem to have breached their own protocols and maybe civil laws (eg five attempted calls).

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 11, 2012 1:31 pm

    Just another 2c worth:

    The two DJ’s say that they just do the audio then send it up to management to perform the required checks and legalities, sounds about right to me, leaves them free to continue with the public entertainment. They both appeared genuinely remorseful and personally affected/shocked about the events. It sounds as if they are being very well supported – counselling, suicide watch, on leave [unsure if paid or not].

    The hospital had a duty of care to their patient but something that hospital management [and other employers] tend to forget is that they also have a duty of care to their employee. Where was the nurse’s counselling, debriefing and support? Left to go back to her squat on her own and do nothing but think about how badly she stuffed up with the most important people in the land? Couldn’t turn on TV or radio without her shame being re-played over and over. Could they not at the very least have given her some paid leave to go home to the support of her family? She might be alive today. The hospital boss has said she was not reprimanded, that is it – that is all they did to assist her at a time of enormous workplace stress?

    She didn’t need reprimanding, she was probably the hardest on herself.

    I know from my own experience that when things go wrong with pts. it is something that you dwell on for many weeks afterwards, it leaves you sleepless, reflective and insecure about your own professional performance. There is a blame and bullying culture in nursing [systemically oppressed under medical/hospital management]. I have many times said “you never hear feedback about what great work you have done considering workloads stress, budget restraints and lack of support from hospital management but you sure know immediately if you’ve done something wrong”.

  131. December 11, 2012 1:43 pm

    “teabags are hell bent on delegating blame onto the hospital, instead of the instigators of this sorry sack of shit.”

    My sentiments exactly……!

  132. December 11, 2012 1:47 pm

    “My problem with prank calls is that by definition they win trust in order to humiliate.”

    “The main aim is to have people laughing *at* someone.”

    ~ Paul Barratt via twitter

  133. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 3:16 pm

    ” b) The hospital does have a number of serious security issues “
    ******************************
    While I agree with the sentiment of this comment, it is purely subjective

    as no bomb, gun or other weapon was taken into the hospital. There was no real security threat.

    Somebody was ‘tricked’ on the phone to

    ” win trust in order to humiliate.”

    “The main aim is to have people laughing *at* someone.” (via reb)

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2012 3:23 pm

    I feel sorry for the woman and the family she has left behind.

    But it really doesn’t seem balanced to simply blame the prank or the radio station. I suspect TB would be an expert on “root cause analysis”, which provides tools to drill into the fundamental causes of tragedies.

    The prank is perhaps a catalyst, but there will always be far more factors involved than this final straw.

    Rather than suppress pranks, society would be better off if the “royal class” didn’t command such fear about giving offense, and if the forelock tuggers were less inclined to tug their forelocks.

    The compliance driven by their class structure is far more to blame for this tragedy, in my opinion.
    ——————
    I think the British press were equally outraged when Paul Keating placed a gentlemanly hand on the back of the Queen to show her through a door.

  135. Toot Toot Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 3:32 pm

    ” a) I’m not a “teabag” … (I think?) “
    ****************************************
    No, I really doubt you’re a teabag TB. You have merely slipped into the ‘useful-idiot-quicksand’ and you will pull yourself out soon.

    You may need to watch teabag-media circle the wagons for a little while longer over this, as both AU and UK teabag-media are fighting inquiries and regulation.

    Please keep in mind, all blame delegated at the hospital, will quickly be assigned to a dead nurse, who cannot defend herself.

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2012 3:39 pm

    I see the ALP 2PP vote is now 46, LNP 54.

    Gillard seems to be on the slide again. I think it’s her inherent dishonesty that repulses the electorate.

  137. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 11, 2012 4:07 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know
    really won’t enjoy the polls from March-2013 onwards.

  138. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 11, 2012 4:11 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know
    will have to watch ‘Gillard’ and
    ‘her inherent dishonesty’
    from the opposition bench in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2012 5:04 pm

    Gillard got the job because she is ‘a vote magnet’.

    It’s funny how the public turn away from politicians with a proven history of dishonesty.

  140. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 11, 2012 5:16 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know
    will watch the public turn toward
    ” politicians with a proven history of dishonesty.” in 2013

  141. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 11, 2012 5:20 pm

    The Tony Abbott I know
    will just have to watch in 2013, Gillard get
    the job because she is ‘a vote magnet’.

  142. TeaChest of Boltsville permalink
    December 11, 2012 5:25 pm

    Thomson is ‘a vote magnet’ when compared to
    The Tony Abbott I know

  143. el gordo permalink
    December 11, 2012 5:56 pm

    Christ all bloody mighty…its the silly season.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 6:13 pm

    I suspect TB would be an expert on “root cause analysis”,

    Correct, Tom, but I’m a supporter of “multiple causation” rather than “primary cause” ….

    You have merely slipped into the ‘useful-idiot-quicksand’ and you will pull yourself out soon.

    Quite the opposite, after a serious event (eg death, injury, business loss) my professional background and training mean that I tend to analyse the “system(s)” that people operate under (and how they are applied) rather than the people themselves … there is an old, Common Law, description (I’ll attempt to locate) brought down by one of the judges, Lord ??, in the UK and referred to today, that describes many of the human frailties we must guard against in the workplace.

    Simply using emotionally derogatory labels and “attacking” the player (ie teabag, idiot etc) rather than playing the ball get’s you nowhere …

    BTW … this is not a “political debate” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Christ all bloody mighty…its the silly season.

    Yes, my son …

  145. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 6:34 pm

    I tend to analyse the “system(s)” that people operate under (and how they are applied) rather than the people themselves
    ************************
    1. Is not the LAW a system?
    2. Is not the act of 2day DIALING the ‘instigation’ of this mess?
    3. Did not the 2day ‘system’ failures occur BEFORE any other (royal-security OR hospital) ‘system’ failure?

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 6:46 pm

    Yer getting there … so why …

    Hey Palm Professor,
    The radio idiots are in hiding, under police protection and the radio station has 21,000 ‘ hate’ messages on the station facebook page.”

    BTW, did the nurse in question actually commit suicide?

  147. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 6:55 pm

    this is not a “political debate”
    *****************************
    This is a politicized event, involving teabag-media, who are fighting tooth and claw against any form of limitation on their OFTEN terrible behavior in BOTH countries, AU and UK. Teabag-media are NOT interested in democracy, citizen-rights or behaving ETHICALLY. The teabag-media have fought against these in both inquiries and are ONLY interested in their profits.

  148. el gordo permalink
    December 11, 2012 7:09 pm

    Italy may return to Lira.

    ‘The chorus in favour of EMU exit turned silent after Mr Draghi pledged salvation. Five months later it is clear that the deeper crisis is still festering. The voices are growing louder again. Mr Berlusconi plays mischievously with the theme, one day floating his “crazy idea” of telling the Banca d’Italia to print euros defiantly, the next saying “it’s not blasphemy to talk of leaving the euro”.

    ‘His language had a harder edge this week. “Italy is on the edge of the abyss. I can’t allow my country to plunge into an endless recessionary spiral.

    “The situation today is far worse than a year ago when I left the government. We have an extra million unemployed, the debt is rising, firms are closing, property is collapsing, and the car market is destroyed. We can’t keep going on like this.”

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

  149. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 7:23 pm

    ” Yer getting there … so why …
    **************************************
    LOL TB.
    (It was in answer to palm professor)
    if you bothered to copy one line more,
    the one in BOLD, which says
    10 News Flash (paraphrased)

    you know, television

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 7:39 pm

    TT go back and look at my italics … why, “LOL”, what’s funny 🙄

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 7:41 pm

    Italy may return to Lira.

    Cant afford to … and …

    India and China are rattling sabres … over the China Sea …

  152. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 7:58 pm

    why, “LOL”, what’s funny
    *******************
    you seemed to taken the conversation from out of sequence and/or misunderstood

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    December 11, 2012 8:39 pm

    you seemed to taken the conversation from out of sequence and/or misunderstood

    Just quoting you … didn’t matter who it was “aimed” at …

  154. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 8:44 pm

    time-line not important, series of events not important, context not important,

    teabag theory sounds a lot like
    systems “root cause analysis”,

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2012 8:46 pm

    Toot toot seems to have swallowed a thesaurus.

  156. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 8:56 pm

    hit yomm, nice to see another systems analysist on the thread

  157. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 9:08 pm

    *not hit*
    hi yomm,
    nice to see another systems analysist on the thread

  158. el gordo permalink
    December 11, 2012 9:51 pm

    I see Paul Howes is keen on very fast rail…

    “In most other developed countries, fast rail is being built to link major cities and to provide relief from our crowded skies,” said Mr Howes, comparing Australia’s inaction to China – which has the largest high-speed rail network in the world. The United States and United Kingdom governments were also working hard on plans for high-speed rail investment.

    “And yet where are we on this issue after all of our government papers, studies and consultations?”

    Mr Howes said he had flown to Canberra to speak at the conference instead of taking the 287-kilometre train trip. “The fact that it takes over four hours to travel between our nation’s capital and our largest city is quite frankly ridiculous,” he said. “Comparative trips in Asia, North America and Europe would take less than half the time.”

    The fast-rail project was a “once-in-a-generation nation-building projects that deserves the full support and commitment of both the Federal and state governments”, Mr Howes said.

    Clay Lucas

  159. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 11, 2012 10:20 pm

    I don’t think requiring a friggin password requires toomany hospital staff.

    I mean how many Royals Re inside that hospital at any one time .

    Does Julia Gillards “Mayan End of World Speech” count as a prank or her only hope of avoiding questions over a budget deficit?

  160. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 11, 2012 10:23 pm

    I don’t see how Teabaggers are even remotely at odds with the Left on this.

    That’s bizarre !

    The usual pants wet by the Left.

  161. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 11, 2012 10:30 pm

    Eg

    Fast rail is too logical for Australia. We only just got rid of different rail gauges.

    Don’t rush at Dreams !

    I’d love to jump on a train and be in Melbourne in 3 hours

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 11, 2012 10:34 pm

    I think Toot toot is ruining the good reputation of sock puppets!

  163. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 11, 2012 11:03 pm

    I don’t buy into this 10 year worldwide depression/recession bullshit at all unless you are talking about those overpaid lazy pricks in Europe.

    The USA is about to find its miracle. It was never Obama or Mitt.

    It was cheap cheap very cheap energy and they Ayer about to almost drown in the stuff.

    So much for carbon emission policy LOL

  164. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 11, 2012 11:08 pm

    Yes

    Toot Toot seems obsessed with Tea Bags

    It tends to find divisive discussion points even when there is concensus.

    Quite bizarro

  165. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 11, 2012 11:58 pm

    FACT = 2day broke AU radio codes
    **********
    2day were not allowed to broadcast ‘hoax’ recording WITHOUT CONSENT of the ‘pranked’
    http://www.commercialradio.com.au/files/uploaded/file/Codes/a%20-%20Commercial%20Radio%20Codes%20of%20Practice%20&%20Guidelines%20June%202010.pdf

  166. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:01 am

    were not allowed to broadcast ‘hoax’ recording WITHOUT CONSENT of the ‘pranked’
    SAME as UK
    http://http//stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/privacy/

  167. Toot Toot Quicksand permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:10 am

    FACT = from the code
    ***********
    “material should not be broadcast without the consent of those involved.”
    AND
    “does not amount to a significant infringement of privacy such as to cause significant annoyance, distress or embarrassment.”

  168. Toot Toot Palm Professor permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:32 am

    ” Fast rail is too logical for Australia.”

    The Tony Abbott I know
    will never approve of a so-called ‘fast-rail’.

    He knows riding unicorns is much faster.

  169. Toot Toot Palm Professor permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:48 am

    ” find divisive discussion points”
    x
    1. What divisive discussion points” ?
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    ” even when there is concensus.”
    x
    2. What or Who’s ‘ consensus ‘?

  170. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 12, 2012 3:07 am

    Twattle Toot,

    Having a conversation with imaginary teabags when none are to be found…Priceless! LOL

  171. Toot Toot yomm permalink
    December 12, 2012 4:08 am

    ” swallowed a thesaurus.”
    ******************************
    Nah, I haven’t swallowed the teabag handbook either.

  172. el gordo permalink
    December 12, 2012 6:44 am

    ‘Don’t rush at Dreams !’

    There’s nothing else left.

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 9:51 am

    It is a characteristic of followers – they use terms like “troll”, “tea bagger”, RWDB…or anything, to avoid discussing actual political issues and clear policy failures by this government.

    While I think people are entitled to participate on political blogs through whatever mechanism satisfies them, the sock puppets here could lift their game! The inane commentary is giving sock puppetry a bad name.

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 10:05 am

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard’s goal of Australia having one of the top five schooling systems in the world by 2025 has been thrown into doubt after the nation received disastrous results in the latest international reading, maths and science tests.
    Australian children were beaten by students from 26 countries in year four reading in the 2011 Progress in International Reading Literacy Study.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/australias-disaster-in-education-20121211-2b7y8.html#ixzz2EmrbDBfo

    Gillard will be a dozen years out of office by the time this commitment is proved to be yet another policy failure and broken promise.

    She is driven by political press releases with an end date for implementation that means she cannot be held to account.

    I liked Bob Hawke, but he was ridiculed at the time for his “no child shall live in poverty” commitment. It was widely seen as politically inspired.

    The press were on to Hawke, but now they go easy on Gillard. She is a dishonest bogan.

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 10:24 am

    …and the Slipper case has been thrown out.

    Regardless of this, people are entitled to expect better behaviour from the most senior person in the House of Representatives. He simply wasn’t fit to hold the position of Speaker. He only landed the job because Gillard broke her written commitment to Wilkie.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 10:57 am

    …and the Slipper case has been thrown out.

    Regardless of this … (etc) 😯 🙄

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:05 am

    TB, he used a publically funded mobile to send sexually explicit texts. If a company executive, in a position of trust, did this they may face some consequences.

    There were serious and unresolved questions about his travel allowance claims and expenses. He’s a serial rorter.

    …and he only got the job because Gillard broke her written commitment to Wilkie.

    His character and behaviour made him an unsuitable Speaker.

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:19 am

    ToM, I don’t like the man …

    Judge Steven Rares this morning ordered that the application contains “scandalous” allegations and to continue the case would be “manifestly unfair” to Mr Slipper and that some of the claims were done to “injure” his reputation.

    Orchestrated by a few LibNits and particularly Brough … dirty politics at its worst … should we all stand for the Star Spangled Banner?

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:20 am

    LOL! Correction the last bit is mine …

    Orchestrated by a few LibNits and particularly Brough … dirty politics at its worst … should we all stand for the Star Spangled Banner?

  180. el gordo permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:26 am

    I agree some of the sock puppets are inane.

  181. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:11 pm

    It appears that slipper does not have a case to answer

    One down 😉

    Maybe there will be a new one with a ‘case’ to answer 😆

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:49 pm

    Chuckle …

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 12:53 pm

    Scapegoat anyone???

    A DAM engineer who has pleaded guilty to unlawfully working while unregistered during Queensland’s disastrous 2011 floods will be sentenced.

  184. December 12, 2012 12:56 pm

    Verily…

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 1:04 pm

    I don’t know what you do for a crust Tom R, but if you used your employer’s mobile to send sexually explicit texts to a subordinate, do you think it would be ignored?

    Should it be ignored?

  186. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 12, 2012 1:47 pm

    ‘ some of the sock puppets are inane.’
    *********************************
    nearly as bad as the ‘ talkabout ‘ thread

  187. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2012 2:01 pm

    I have a subordinate 😯

    I don’t give a flying fuck what a lib does on his mobile.

    What I do care about is vexatious claims like ashby ran all in order to just run more smear. And how the rest of the gutter dwelling libs and their media mates had proclaimed a sentence on a guy which turned out to be quite wrong.

    And it just proved, Gillards Misogyny speech was right in more than just the aspect of tabots misogyny

    Not that he deserves it, but Slipper is quite well positioned to make an absolute fortune out of his previous team mates and their mouthing off imo. 🙂

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 12, 2012 2:08 pm

    Regardless of this, people are entitled to expect better behaviour from the most senior person in the House of Representatives.

    Are you serious tomM? I think you have become totally incapacitated to think in a bipartisan manner. I have to ponder your Lib Party credentials, the way you just go with whatever coalition meme is being flogged.

    …but if you used your employer’s mobile to send sexually explicit texts to a subordinate, do you think it would be ignored?…

    The subordinate was sending sexually suggestive texts to a trusting boss, a case of entrapment. Ashby was playing Slipper, reeling him in, creating a case that was planned in advance. Slipper is guilty of thinking Ashby was a trusted friend.

    These were private messages that the public would never have got to hear about.

    It was a political character assassination in every way. Probably another scheme thought up by Abbott [who is good at this kind of devious plotting] to bring the govenment down with the added benefit of getting Brough in.

    You just can’t beat the liberals for this ‘mafia’ style of plotting and scheming to bring about their wishes, it is an evil society where absolutely anything goes to get what they want [the ends justifies the means], even if it has to be fabrications and lies. Such a privileged boys club mindset.

  189. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 12, 2012 2:13 pm

    Ditto TomR, our teabags tried to rerun the Ken Starr thing the american teabags did years ago. The gay version with mobile phones.

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 12, 2012 2:19 pm

    If a company executive, in a position of trust, did this they may face some consequences.

    And if a company executive spent his whole time plotting, deceiving and fabricating schemes against others to gain personal enrichment and power, bringing the company’s name into disrepute, they would face consequences like being shown the door.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 5:24 pm

    Conroy has dropped the silly internet “security” … now we have Roxon doing a similar thing with everyday talking … its like watching a fkn tennis match with the Gillard government – as soon as they get ahead in the game (eg Slipper) … they double fault … ludicrous!

    And the story embedded in the one below about “mate” is stupid … I call everyone “mate” … saves remembering names … hey, Mate!

    HAVE you ever called the Prime Minister ‘Juliar’? Or called a mate a dopey bastard? New laws could put a stop to name calling.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/no-more-sledging-at-the-cricket-or-name-calling-under-proposed-laws/story-fndo4eg9-1226535227751

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 8:02 pm

    Is history repeating itself? As Putin heads for diktatorship …

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/putin-rejects-foreign-advice-on-democracy/story-e6frfkui-1226535769647

  193. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 8:15 pm

    Its not a real democracy, so we shouldn’t be surprised if they slip back into old ways.

    This most corrupt nation on earth will retain the semblance of democracy…dictatorships are not popular at the moment,

  194. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:18 pm

    Further reading…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_recurrence

  195. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:48 pm

    Alan Jones has to apologise again… this time a thoughtfully scripted effort.

  196. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:36 pm

    ‘The satellite that North Korea claimed was the reason for its defiant rocket launch yesterday appears to be ‘tumbling out of control’ as it orbits the Earth.

    ‘According to U.S. defense officials, the object which was launched at 7.49 p.m. ET on Wednesday in opposition of international opinion has adopted an unstable trajectory and could crash land to the surface with potentially dangerous consequences.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247301/North-Korean-satellite-tumbling-control-fears-grow-crash-land-Earth.html#ixzz2Ew1RsulD
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  197. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 14, 2012 12:07 am

    ‘ Its not a real democracy,’
    **************************
    Are any of them really ?

  198. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 14, 2012 12:15 am

    ‘unstable trajectory and could crash ‘
    *******************************
    must be bouncing of everybody else’s space-junk

  199. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 6:50 am

    ‘Are any of them really ?’

    Our system is robust and colourful, that’s the best we can hope for.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 9:58 am

    Alan Jones has to apologise again… this time a thoughtfully scripted effort.

    You conveniently forgot to say … not scripted by, AJ, egg …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Our system is robust and colourful, that’s the best we can hope for.

    But seriously put at risk by the present Liberal party Opposition …

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 10:11 am

    egg, from your link above … (researching is a wonderful pursuit don’t agree … ?)

    G.W. Trompf, in his book The Idea of Historical Recurrence in Western Thought, traces historically recurring patterns of political thought and behavior in the west since antiquity.[7] If history has lessons to impart, they are to be found par excellence in such recurring patterns.

    While, ” The Idea of Historical Recurrence in Western Thought”, is based upon Western society (because of the time frame that it was written in) … it easily translates globally into the 21st Century … add a dash of the five stages of Group Dynamics (Forming, Storming, Norming, Performing and Adjourning) …

    Europe is a classic case … after nations formed, they warred for years in the storming stage, they eventually settled down via standards, protocols, policies (norming), in the biggest crisis in Europe since WWII (the GFC) … the EU is at the “performing” stage – in earlier years they would have gone to war with each other … only one stage to go???

    Keep an eye on nationalism for the next global threat …

    … I rest my case … history repeats itself …

  202. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 10:38 am

    Berlusconi is making a comeback.

    Nationalism might become popular again, it depends on whether the UN flounders.

  203. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 12:16 pm

    Recession is biting, competition is under cutting. Might have to turn our boutique ‘otel into an old persons home just to survive.

  204. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 2:23 pm

    Nurse mentions DJ in her suicide note.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2012 7:12 pm

    My favourite sci-fi story … it is easy to read and is about the end of the world … enjoy …

    The Nine Billion Names of God – Arthur C. Clarke

    “This is a slightly unusual request,” said Dr. Wagner, with what he hoped was commendable restraint. “As far as I know, it’s the first time anyone’s been asked to supply a Tibetan monastery with an Automatic Sequence Computer. I don’t wish to be inquisitive, but I should hardly have thought that your — ah — establishment had much use for such a machine. Could you explain just what you intend to do with it?”

    “Gladly,” replied the lama, readjusting his silk robes and carefully putting away the slide rule he had been using for currency conversions. “Your Mark V Computer can carry out any routine mathematical operation involving up to ten digits. However, for our work we are interested in letters, not numbers. As we wish you to modify the output circuits, the machine will be printing words, not columns of figures.”

    “I don’t quite understand….”

    “This is a project on which we have been working for the last three centuries — since the lamasery was founded, in fact. It is somewhat alien to your way of thought, so I hope you will listen with an open mind while I explain it.”

    “Naturally.”

    “It is really quite simple. We have been compiling a list which shall contain all the possible names of God.”

    “I beg your pardon?”

    “We have reason to believe,” continued the lama imperturbably, “that all such names can be written with not more than nine letters in an alphabet we have devised.”

    “And you have been doing this for three centuries?”

    “Yes: we expected it would take us about fifteen thousand years to complete the task.”

    “Oh,” Dr. Wagner looked a little dazed. “Now I see why you wanted to hire one of our machines. But exactly what is the purpose of this project?”

    The lama hesitated for a fraction of a second, and Wagner wondered if he had offended him. If so, there was no trace of annoyance in the reply.

    “Call it ritual, if you like, but it’s a fundamental part of our belief. All the many names of the Supreme Being — God, Jehovah, Allah, and so on — they are only man-made labels. There is a philosophical problem of some difficulty here, which I do not propose to discuss, but somewhere among all the possible combinations of letters that can occur are what one may call the real names of God. By systematic permutation of letters, we have been trying to list them all.”

    “I see. You’ve been starting at AAAAAAA… and working up to ZZZZZZZZ….”

    “Exactly — though we use a special alphabet of our own. Modifying the electromatic typewriters to deal with this is, of course, trivial. A rather more interesting problem is that of devising suitable circuits to eliminate ridiculous combinations. For example, no letter must occur more than three times in succession.”

    “Three? Surely you mean two.”

    “Three is correct: I am afraid it would take too long to explain why, even if you understood our language.”

    “I’m sure it would,” said Wagner hastily. “Go on.”

    “Luckily, it will be a simple matter to adapt your Automatic Sequence Computer for this work, since once it has been programmed properly it will permute each letter in turn and print the result. What would have taken us fifteen thousand years it will be able to do in a hundred days.”

    Dr. Wagner was scarcely conscious of the faint sounds from the Manhattan streets far below. He was in a different world, a world of natural, not man-made, mountains. High up in their remote aeries these monks had been patiently at work, generation after generation, compiling their lists of meaningless words. Was there any limit to the follies of mankind? Still, he must give no hint of his inner thoughts. The customer was always right….

    “There’s no doubt,” replied the doctor, “that we can modify the Mark V to print lists of this nature. I’m much more worried about the problem of installation and maintenance. Getting out to Tibet, in these days, is not going to be easy.”

    “We can arrange that. The components are small enough to travel by air — that is one reason why we chose your machine. If you can get them to India, we will provide transport from there.”

    “And you want to hire two of our engineers?”

    “Yes, for the three months that the project should occupy.”

    “I’ve no doubt that Personnel can manage that.” Dr. Wagner scribbled a note on his desk pad. “There are just two other points —”

    Before he could finish the sentence the lama had produced a small slip of paper.

    “This is my certified credit balance at the Asiatic Bank.”

    “Thank you. It appears to be — ah — adequate. The second matter is so trivial that I hesitate to mention it — but it’s surprising how often the obvious gets overlooked. What source of electrical energy have you?”

    “A diesel generator providing fifty kilowatts at a hundred and ten volts. It was installed about five years ago and is quite reliable. It’s made life at the lamasery much more comfortable, but of course it was really installed to provide power for the motors driving the prayer wheels.”

    “Of course,” echoed Dr. Wagner. “I should have thought of that.”

    ——————————————————————————–

    The view from the parapet was vertiginous, but in time one gets used to anything. After three months, George Hanley was not impressed by the two-thousand-foot swoop into the abyss or the remote checkerboard of fields in the valley below. He was leaning against the wind-smoothed stones and staring morosely at the distant mountains whose names he had never bothered to discover.

    This, thought George, was the craziest thing that had ever happened to him. “Project Shangri-La,” some wit back at the labs had christened it. For weeks now the Mark V had been churning out acres of sheets covered with gibberish. Patiently, inexorably, the computer had been rearranging letters in all their possible combinations, exhausting each class before going on to the next. As the sheets had emerged from the electromatic typewriters, the monks had carefully cut them up and pasted them into enormous books.

    In another week, heaven be praised, they would have finished. Just what obscure calculations had convinced the monks that they needn’t bother to go on to words of ten, twenty, or a hundred letters, George didn’t know. One of his recurring nightmares was that there would be some change of plan, and that the high lama (whom they’d naturally called Sam Jaffe, though he didn’t look a bit like him) would suddenly announce that the project would be extended to approximately A.D. 2060. They were quite capable of it.

    George heard the heavy wooden door slam in the wind as Chuck came out onto the parapet beside him. As usual, Chuck was smoking one of the cigars that made him so popular with the monks — who, it seemed, were quite willing to embrace all the minor and most of the major pleasures of life. That was one thing in their favor: they might be crazy, but they weren’t bluenoses. Those frequent trips they took down to the village, for instance…

    “Listen, George,” said Chuck urgently. “I’ve learned something that means trouble.”

    “What’s wrong? Isn’t the machine behaving?” That was the worst contingency George could imagine. It might delay his return, and nothing could be more horrible. The way he felt now, even the sight of a TV commercial would seem like manna from heaven. At least it would be some link with home.

    “No — it’s nothing like that.” Chuck settled himself on the parapet, which was unusual because normally he was scared of the drop. “I’ve just found what all this is about.”

    What d’ya mean? I thought we knew.”

    “Sure — we know what the monks are trying to do. But we didn’t know why. It’s the craziest thing—”

    “Tell me something new,” growled George.

    “— but old Sam’s just come clean with me. You know the way he drops in every afternoon to watch the sheets roll out. Well, this time he seemed rather excited, or at least as near as he’ll ever get to it. When I told him that we were on the last cycle he asked me, in that cute English accent of his, if I’d ever wondered what they were trying to do. I said, ‘Sure’ — and he told me.”

    “Go on: I’ll buy it.”

    “Well, they believe that when they have listed all His names — and they reckon that there are about nine billion of them — God’s purpose will be achieved. The human race will have finished what it was created to do, and there won’t be any point in carrying on. Indeed, the very idea is something like blasphemy.”

    “Then what do they expect us to do? Commit suicide?”

    “There’s no need for that. When the list’s completed, God steps in and simply winds things up… bingo!”

    “Oh, I get it. When we finish our job, it will be the end of the world.”

    Chuck gave a nervous little laugh.

    “That’s just what I said to Sam. And do you know what happened? He looked at me in a very queer way, like I’d been stupid in class, and said, ’It’s nothing as trivial as that.’ ”

    George thought this over a moment.

    “That’s what I call taking the Wide View,” he said presently. “But what d’you suppose we should do about it? I don’t see that it makes the slightest difference to us. After all, we already knew that they were crazy.”

    “Yes — but don’t you see what may happen? When the list’s complete and the Last Trump doesn’t blow — or whatever it is they expect — we may get the blame. It’s our machine they’ve been using. I don’t like the situation one little bit.”

    “I see,” said George slowly. “You’ve got a point there. But this sort of thing’s happened before, you know. When I was a kid down in Louisiana we had a crackpot preacher who once said the world was going to end next Sunday. Hundreds of people believed him — even sold their homes. Yet when nothing happened, they didn’t turn nasty, as you’d expect. They just decided that he’d made a mistake in his calculations and went right on believing. I guess some of them still do.”

    “Well, this isn’t Louisiana, in case you hadn’t noticed. There are just two of us and hundreds of these monks. I like them, and I’ll be sorry for old Sam when his lifework backfires on him. But all the same, I wish I was somewhere else.”

    “I’ve been wishing that for weeks. But there’s nothing we can do until the contract’s finished and the transport arrives to fly us out.

    “Of course,” said Chuck thoughtfully, “we could always try a bit of sabotage.”

    “Like hell we could! That would make things worse.”

    “Not the way I meant. Look at it like this. The machine will finish its run four days from now, on the present twenty-hours-a-day basis. The transport calls in a week. O.K. — then all we need to do is to find something that needs replacing during one of the overhaul periods — something that will hold up the works for a couple of days. We’ll fix it, of course, but not too quickly. If we time matters properly, we can be down at the airfield when the last name pops out of the register. They won’t be able to catch us then.”

    “I don’t like it,” said George. “It will be the first time I ever walked out on a job. Besides, it ’would make them suspicious. No, I’ll sit tight and take what comes.”

    ——————————————————————————–

    “I still don’t like it,” he said, seven days later, as the tough little mountain ponies carried them down the winding road. “And don’t you think I’m running away because I’m afraid. I’m just sorry for those poor old guys up there, and I don’t want to be around when they find what suckers they’ve been. Wonder how Sam will take it?” “It’s funny,” replied Chuck, “but when I said good-by I got the idea he knew we were walking out on him — and that he didn’t care because he knew the machine was running smoothly and that the job would soon be finished. After that — well, of course, for him there just isn’t any After That….”

    George turned in his saddle and stared back up the mountain road. This was the last place from which one could get a clear view of the lamasery. The squat, angular buildings were silhouetted against the afterglow of the sunset: here and there, lights gleamed like portholes in the side of an ocean liner. Electric lights, of course, sharing the same circuit as the Mark V. How much longer would they share it? wondered George. Would the monks smash up the computer in their rage and disappointment? Or would they just sit down quietly and begin their calculations all over again?”

    He knew exactly what was happening up on the mountain at this very moment. The high lama and his assistants would be sitting in their silk robes, inspecting the sheets as the junior monks carried them away from the typewriters and pasted them into the great volumes. No one would be saying anything. The only sound would be the incessant patter, the never-ending rainstorm of the keys hitting the paper, for the Mark V itself was utterly silent as it flashed through its thousands of calculations a second. Three months of this, thought George, was enough to start anyone climbing up the wall.

    “There she is!” called Chuck, pointing down into the valley. “Ain’t she beautiful!”

    She certainly was, thought George. The battered old DC3 lay at the end of the runway like a tiny silver cross. In two hours she would be bearing them away to freedom and sanity. It was a thought worth savoring like a fine liqueur. George let it roll round his mind as the pony trudged patiently down the slope.

    The swift night of the high Himalayas was now almost upon them. Fortunately, the road was very good, as roads went in that region, and they were both carrying torches. There was not the slightest danger, only a certain discomfort from the bitter cold. The sky overhead was perfectly clear, and ablaze with the familiar, friendly stars. At least there would be no risk, thought George, of the pilot being unable to take off because of weather conditions. That had been his only remaining worry.

    He began to sing, but gave it up after a while. This vast arena of mountains, gleaming like whitely hooded ghosts on every side, did not encourage such ebullience. Presently George glanced at his watch.

    “Should be there in an hour,” he called back over his shoulder to Chuck. Then he added, in an afterthought: “Wonder if the computer’s finished its run. It was due about now.”

    Chuck didn’t reply, so George swung round in his saddle. He could just see Chuck’s face, a white oval turned toward the sky.

    “Look,” whispered Chuck, and George lifted his eyes to heaven. (There is always a last time for everything.)

    Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.

  206. el gordo permalink
    December 22, 2012 11:37 pm

    Gay Defence Force personal to march in uniform at mardi gras.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-22/soldiers-to-march-in-uniform-at-mardi-gras/4441054

  207. el gordo permalink
    December 23, 2012 6:59 am

    ”But the time has come when I must man up to a situation where I feel that I have been treated unfairly and that what little personality I had has been stripped from me.”

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  208. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2012 10:18 am

    “Rake” is way over the top for me (I suspect more crap than fact) … Waterstreet really looks like a womaniser (not) … still each to his/her own tastes …

    As for the “deal” … a good demonstration of, Robber Baron, “stealing” … using others creations/property and ignoring the work and dedication to make it work and offering a mere token for the privilege of making lots of money … probably works for, Toad of Toad Hall …

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