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February 1, 2013

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Hello and good afternoon.

Welcome to another Rostrum – our open discussion thread where you can talk about anything you like…

It’s been quite a big week in politics.  Both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott addressed the Canberra Press Club. Julia resplendent in a new pair of chic “hipster” spectacles, while Mr Abbott instead opted for a bit of silver-blue eye shadow.

Personally I think he should gone for a monocle, just to complete that “raving nutter” persona that bubbles beneath a not-so-thin veneer of pancake foundation.  Someone needs to tell Tony that when it comes to wearing make-up, sometimes less is more.

Julia Gillard managed to surprise everyone by announcing the election date during her NPC presentation while Tony Abbott managed to surprise everyone by responding to questions.

The continuing saga of Craig “he’s innocent” Thomson entered a new phase, and is now facing some 150 charges for fraud. He is expected to appear in Court on Wednesday.

However the real comedy gold moment of the week has to go to Christopher Pyne, the Manager for Opposition Business.

Mr Pyne, renowned for interjecting with “Points of Order” whenever it suits him, together with Tony Abbott, who regularly suspends standing orders to raise a censure motion against the government almost every Thursday at 2:45pm, have both called the government’s handling of question time “a farce”.

‘What’s happened with the speakership over the last two years has been a farce under Julia Gillard where it’s been used as a shiny bauble in order to attract support as it was with Peter Slipper” said Mr Pyne earlier this week.

“This has been wrong. It’s reduced the role of speaker and also damaged the Parliament and it’s time to put an end to that.”

In his speech, Mr Pyne also says that he would strengthen standing orders to stop the government using question time to “sledge the opposition”.

For the record, Christopher Pyne was kicked out of parliament four times in the second half of last year for offences such as “continual abuse of standing orders” and “persistent interjection”.

He has also been pulled up by Speaker Anna Burke for interrupting, using a prop, not resuming his seat and ignoring her calls.

Tony Abbott has suspended standing orders on 72 occasions leading to a loss of some 409 questions in question time.

Have a lovely weekend.

reb

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416 Comments
  1. February 1, 2013 5:01 pm

    So, Christopher Pyne’s a lying, irritating little cunt.

    Who knew?!

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2013 5:06 pm

    Me … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Welcome to another Rostrum – our open discussion thread where you can talk about anything you like…

    Bugger! I thought we did that on any thread! 😯

  3. February 1, 2013 5:07 pm

    Don`t forget Mr-Rabbit and Mr-Poodle racing each other out of the Parliament too, that was fun!

  4. el gordo permalink
    February 1, 2013 5:09 pm

    ‘Who knew?!’

    Not me, he looks like a decent sort of chap.

  5. February 1, 2013 5:18 pm

    He gives gay people a bad name.

  6. el gordo permalink
    February 1, 2013 5:19 pm

    Since joolya announced the election date the people smugglers have stepped up a gear, encouraging wannabes with the comforting words ‘now is the best time to travel south’.

    Don’t worry about the monsoon in full swing or the leaky boats, go while the goings good.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2013 5:37 pm

    He gives gay people a bad name.

    Don’t quite get that, can I phone a friend?

    Don’t worry about the monsoon in full swing or the leaky boats, go while the goings good.

    That’s an odd statement to make, egg … we were in a Flight Centre this morning discussing our trip to Vietnam next year … monsoon season is generally May-September …

    … they’ve got a couple of months yet … 🙄

    Ya know a part of me says let Tony Abbott & The Acolytes into the Lodge so I can say – see, these Fuckwits™ are worse than the last lot they can’t deal with asylum seekers either … but that would be akin to finding your way out of a fireworks factory at night with a Zippo …

  8. February 1, 2013 6:30 pm

    Strunty…

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2013 7:02 pm

    A tram! How sophisticated!

    I’m off for some intensive red tasting.

  10. February 1, 2013 7:33 pm

    heads-up TB
    http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/02/01/friday-night-raffles/comment-page-1/#comment-13739
    nice rant in comments on cant-do and qld by bushfire-bill

  11. el gordo permalink
    February 1, 2013 7:44 pm

    TB you are correct about the dates of the monsoon season… on further reading I discovered that it may overlap a month either side because of global warming, but this is weird.

    Poor reporting, they must mean ‘despite cyclone weather’.

    ‘Despite monsoonal weather lashing much of Indonesia and the waters between the archipelago and Christmas Island, he and his friends have been told that now is the best time to leave.

    “We know they (people smugglers) are lying,” he said. “We know that the boat might sink.”

    ‘It’s unsurprising that at the nearby Cemerlang Sports Shop lifejackets are selling well.

    ‘The man behind the counter said that earlier in week he had sold four lifejackets to “illegal immigrants” and sold dozens each month.’

    AAP

  12. February 1, 2013 7:49 pm

    heads-up reb
    Family First was always a party of right-wing, gay-obsessed, porn-obsessed, God-bothering sadcases, but they at least used to pretend to be a serious party capable of holding elected office and even wielding the balance of power.
    http://flourishandbloggs.com/2013/01/28/meanwhile-in-tasmania/
    Jacob highlights the `family-first` phobes

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2013 7:59 pm

    730

    Thanks for the link!

    I read some of the other comments too … “beware what you wish for” – was my theme for both the Queensland and Egypt elections last year (at least Queenslanders are not violent over their occasional “mistakes” – ’tis a generational thing – say JBP to a 3o something and the stare is frightening), … guess what …
    What really pisses me off though, is HOW do these morons get through the fucking door … hate to do this but … because fucking morons let ’em!

    Being part of the 20% is really, really, fucking hard … ’cause the other 80% get to vote … (are forced to vote!)**

    And I must confess, I “think” that’s been, ToM’s, theme from day one … re unions … as a leap to the pig trough … maybe we should transfer the old nickname for cops to the pollise Whoah! that truly was a keyboard slip!

    … maybe we should transfer the old nicknme for the cops to the pollies … ie PIGS …

    Let’s face it they really are a bunch of pigs wallowing in their own shit and our money!

    **Disclaimer: I am a supporter of compulsory voting AND preferential voting BUT not one without the other … a fatal mistake when people advocate none compulsory voting … BEST ELECTORAL SYSTEM IN THE WORLD …

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2013 8:05 pm

    “We know they (people smugglers) are lying,” he said. “We know that the boat might sink.”

    D’ja know, egg, I was a boat people (more precisely a ship people) … but have you ever “sailed” the Indian Ocean? Cause I have, and it is a deadly place … I experienced the “edge” of a cyclone in 1961 in a 20,000 ton ship (tiny as ships go but monstrous as smuggler boats go) … anyone that can risk their lives to get here … deserves a chance … my only objection has been Afghani men of military age being given asylum when our men and women are fighting their war for freedom …

  15. February 1, 2013 8:09 pm

    …the Wonderpig…

  16. hummmph permalink
    February 1, 2013 9:47 pm

    Hello, you all sound like a fun intelligent bunch,may I join you? Did you hear Chris Evans just quit, gosh what a week 😛

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2013 10:34 pm

    you all sound like a fun intelligent bunch

    … only 20% of us hmp … we just put up with the 80% … stick around, we’ll figure out which team your on 🙂

  18. hummmph permalink
    February 1, 2013 10:52 pm

    Lets just say that maybe, just maybe I might be one of those swingers. I am just waiting to see which side offers me the biggest bribe, oops I mean lets hear all their policies first. Besides no bribes coming my way just yet 😁

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2013 10:54 pm

    Lets just say that maybe, just maybe I might be one of those swingers

    Great! The Blogmeaster will be pleased … 😉

  20. hummmph permalink
    February 1, 2013 11:03 pm

    Maybe, maybe not 😄

  21. February 1, 2013 11:47 pm

    Hello hummmph, good evening and welcome… 🙂

  22. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 1, 2013 11:55 pm

    “I’m off for some intensive red tasting.”

    I had/shared a 2006 Henscke Henry’s Seven tonight. Which is Shiraz Grenache Mourvèdre and Viognier blend.

    A Barossa wine. Rather nice.

  23. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 1, 2013 11:58 pm

    The monsoons are different all over Asia.

    From memory there are 3

    Indian subcontinent

    East Asian

    Indonesia Australian

    Take your pick about departures points

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2013 11:58 pm

    The wine of the evening was a 2008 Coriole Estate Grown Shiraz. I’m recommending this as an outstanding quaffer!

  25. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 2, 2013 1:01 am

    Sounds rather nice ToM

    At least with the poll now declared reb can plan a drinking game on sept 14

    “Gulp”

    “Skol”

    Etc

    We should start a comp now for the predicted ” phrase of the evening”

    The primary school down the road from me has lined up their butcher for the polling booth sausage sizzle alreay

  26. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 6:54 am

    THIS IS NOT A CC STORY

    ‘Like its northern hemisphere counterparts the region of northern Australia and nearby longitudes, and the area immediately to its north (primarily within Indonesia), experience a marked seasonal cycle in winds and precipitation characteristic of a monsoon’

    ‘At lower tropospheric levels, the mean winds shift from being easterly in austral winter, with correspondingly small rain totals, to westerly in summer, with much enhanced cumulonimbus convection and rainfall.

    ‘This monsoonal character of the region has long been recognized. Indeed, for both northern Australia and Indonesia, reference to this nature dates back at least as far as the early 19th century.’

  27. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 7:39 am

    Senator Chris Evans is quitting politics.

  28. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 7:55 am

    Along with ‘nanny’ Roxon.

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2013 10:00 am

    The primary school down the road from me has lined up their butcher for the polling booth sausage sizzle alreay

    There ya go, a major reason the election was called so early! Forward planning for businesses! 😆

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2013 10:53 am

    They’re bailing out.
    ======
    People will recall that I’ve been calling for a make over of Our PM for a few years. Finally she has heeded some sensible advice, and I think the results speak for themselves.

    Higher neck lines provide a regal look. The new glasses – intelligence.

    I’m now tipping an ALP win in Sept.

  31. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 11:06 am

    It’s Tony Abbotts fault.

  32. February 2, 2013 11:06 am

    “The new glasses – intelligence”

    Agreed. Also, the new hair colour, more aubergine than red makes her look less sassy – more government house.

  33. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 11:16 am

    Top marks to her stylist, he’s not just a pretty face.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2013 11:41 am

    I’m now tipping an ALP win in Sept.

    Chuckle … that’ll scare the pants off Wally … he don’t get sarc … 😆

  35. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 11:54 am

    Just finshed listening to PM and thought it was all a load of codswallop!

  36. February 2, 2013 2:15 pm

    Was thinking of comparing Pyne to pond slime, but didn’t wish to insult it. I’m much more comfortable comparing Pyne to cockroach excrement. That about sums up his value to Australia and modern politics!

  37. February 2, 2013 6:04 pm

    Australian Labor Party…

    Proud to commit political suicide…(and doing a fine job of heralding a new age, soiled by the ease of surrender to the Abbott scourge…)

  38. February 2, 2013 6:16 pm

    Mr-Rabbit won`t win 2013 dunny, but Joolya`s mob will do their best to implode, to give him an `even` chance. (225 days)

  39. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 6:24 pm

    ‘ALP vice-president Tony Sheldon has launched a ferocious attack on the political and moral crisis inside Labor and the toxicity of its most powerful faction, saying only a ground-up change of culture can restore its fortunes.

    ‘Speaking just days after Julia Gillard set September 14 as the election date and as Labor battles twin scandals in NSW, Mr Sheldon said the party faced a “catastrophic situation”, with its brand damaged by a failure to focus on what matters to members and supporters.’

    Peter van Onselen in the Oz

  40. February 2, 2013 6:28 pm

    Unfortunately, I don’t share that optimism.

    I think the ALP has defecated upon its chances of reelection (for the entire duration of this current term) and will be summarily put down.

    I think the voting arsehats will opt to vote for change (not Tony Abbott…big difference there)…and thus, the ALP will become a rump.

    Even today’s announcements come across as contrived & spun. Outwardly, it looks like disarray. A majority, even if they’re willing to forget the farcical nature of the ALP’s last few years, won’t be impressed by the lack of cohesion.
    Also, the selfish nature of humanity dictates that hip pocket relativity will bury the ALP.

    Let’s just hope that Pious Abbott only lasts one term… 😦

  41. February 2, 2013 6:29 pm

    more cherry picked shit gordo,? never a link, not full story, huh?

  42. February 2, 2013 6:43 pm

    Damage is done, I reckon, 730.

    Unfortunately, a goodly portion of it has been self inflicted.

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2013 6:47 pm

    There is no doubt Gillard is now in front!!

    *before

    *AFTER!!!!!!!

  44. February 2, 2013 6:50 pm

    l prefer to look at demographics to see whats happening dunny, not the hyperventilating of the embedded media following the Limited-News themes, which won`t change, and hasn`t changed since pre-2010. Roxon and Evan seats will be reviewed.

  45. February 2, 2013 6:50 pm

    “I think the ALP has defecated upon its chances of reelection (for the entire duration of this current term) and will be summarily put down.

    I fear you could be right boss…

    Julia’s tears today said it all…

  46. February 2, 2013 6:51 pm

    Remember Tanner resigned when it was clear that Bandt was more likely to win, was due to the demographic change of that seat.

  47. February 2, 2013 6:52 pm

    “l prefer to look at demographics to see whats happening dunny”

    True, but the polls have reflected a Coalition win consistently for some two years now..

    Unless Abbott accidentally eats a small child inadvertently it looks like the Coalition will win.

  48. February 2, 2013 6:54 pm

    GO TEAM !!!

    When youze win it will be superfun!…and if youze lose I will blame Uncle Rupe…thus, my cognitive dissonance will remain wholesome & unmolested.

  49. February 2, 2013 7:00 pm

    Don’t get me wrong.

    I loathe Abbott with an unrelenting distaste for all things religious & conservative (which, to me, he embodies).

    I just don’t believe in fairytales…& I think that Gillard retaining power is right up there with Cinderella.

    Rightminded people are subsumed by the short attention spanned masses when it comes to elections.

    ergo

    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6Y02pxleVRw&h=oAQG_xbAd

  50. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 7:03 pm

    7.30 you should know the first couple of pars usually tells the whole story, the rest is padding and detail.

  51. February 2, 2013 7:03 pm

    Noice 80% out-burst dunny. There is plenty of `noddy-ness` going on in qld and vic, Mr-global-warming-is-crap is going to have a real hard sell of his `cut-and-slash` to the burned-out and flooded out east coasters. Just as the Independents knew Mr-Rabbit is a dickhead in 2010, voters do too, or will find out in the next 225 days.

  52. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 7:05 pm

    Craig’s in strife again, why won’t hate media leave him alone?

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/craig-thomson-goes-from-one-drama-to-another/story-e6freuy9-1226567076507

  53. February 2, 2013 7:06 pm

    “voters do too, or will find out in the next 225 days”

    And if they don’t, and end up electing him PM, they’ll sure as hell find out shortly thereafter, and then he’ll simply be a one-term govt, just like Campbell Newman…

  54. February 2, 2013 7:06 pm

    Turn off the sound (u will hate it) & just read the words on that linkvid.

    That is why we’re fucked, primarily.

    The great disconnect.

    Played like dumbasses…by both sides.

    Fuck the duopoly.

  55. February 2, 2013 7:08 pm

    “or will find out in the next 225 days…”

    I can’t assume that the population is paying that much attention.

    Most of em decide based upon bribes flung at them in the last fortnight of the campaign.

  56. February 2, 2013 7:11 pm

    The sideshows of Thomson and Ashby should wake folks up to how large the distortion level is in the embedded media. Notice that Ashby, which hurts Mr-Rabbit is not megaphoned to the extent that Thomson is.?

  57. February 2, 2013 7:13 pm

    I definitely notice.

    It’s the saturation leveraged rest of the voting population that will make the difference though.

    They don’t do nuance & detail.

  58. February 2, 2013 7:19 pm

    “Notice that Ashby, which hurts Mr-Rabbit is not megaphoned to the extent that Thomson is.?”

    Yeah, to be honest I’m really blown away by that…

    It’s practically entering the realms of Illuminati conspiracy theories, but there we have it.

    The whole Ashby scandal disappeared overnight.

    Meanwhile the msm is all a flutter about Julia’s new glasses..

    But, fortunately, it does seem that many people see through all the bullshit despite the efforts of the msm, otherwise Abbott wouldn’t be so universally loathed.

  59. February 2, 2013 7:21 pm

    Also, many people now just look upon Alan Jones as the bitter old friendless queen that he is since the “died of shame” remark. I doubt he’ll ever recover from that.

    And Bolt’s already gagged himself.

    Once that crusty little cunt Murdoch snuffs it, the trifecta will be complete.

  60. February 2, 2013 7:25 pm

    You do realize that when these so-called polls crap on about one side or the other gaining X number of seats, at least half of those seats don`t happen. Take the current bullshit of Mr-Rabbit having 91 seats, from his current 73. Thats a gain of 18 seats, which l will say bullshit to with their standard error of 50%. Now prove 9 seats gain for Mr-Rabbit. They are not in SA, TAS or QLD. Where then.?

  61. February 2, 2013 7:26 pm

    Teds doing the Noddy in VIC, aint seeing it there yet/either. NSW such a mess so unsure.

  62. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 7:51 pm

    I don’t think polls are that reliable, twice pollers have rang our home number, but only wanted to speak to someone under 25′ and the last time they only wanted to speak to the oldest male in the house who politely told them to get lost. They never give stats on how often they are told to feck off.

  63. February 2, 2013 7:59 pm

    hummmph, it’s prolly cause they have enough responses from a certain demographic so are then qualifying who they get to speak to…

    Despite their apparent “random” nature, they are usually fairly reliable..

    Otherwise the paying client behind them wouldn’t bother paying for them.

  64. February 2, 2013 8:01 pm

    hummmph seem to contain wisdom beyond his youthful appearance.

  65. February 2, 2013 8:02 pm

    So you’re interested in chicks then…?

  66. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 8:04 pm

    Oh,we’ll then, thanks for clearing that up for me Reb

  67. February 2, 2013 8:04 pm

    I think, often, we make the mistake of assuming that the rest of the world/country/state/city/town/street thinks in a congruent fashion to ourselves.

    This is arrogant a very human misperception…

  68. February 2, 2013 8:06 pm

    That’s ok hummmph.

    Of course, on the other hand, sometimes polls are just pure and complete utter unadulterated bullshit.*

    *I reserve the right not to be the font of all wisdom.

  69. February 2, 2013 8:10 pm

    “I think, often, we make the mistake of assuming that the rest of the world/country/state/city/town/street thinks in a congruent fashion to ourselves.”

    Very good point boss.

    Why, only today I discovered that “some people” drink wine that comes packaged in a “cardboard box..!”

    I kid you not!

  70. el gordo permalink
    February 2, 2013 8:10 pm

    Nooze Poll is pro Gillard

  71. February 2, 2013 8:13 pm

    I’m burning incense…

  72. February 2, 2013 8:15 pm

    Say, are any of you cunts planning on watching “Real Humans” on SBS tonight at 9:00pm …?

    It’s very good. It’s about robots that take over the world…

    So a bit like the Liberal Party..

  73. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 8:23 pm

    Personally, I prefer the term “mussels” 😜

  74. February 2, 2013 8:24 pm

    Gotta do nightshift. Precluded from watching Liberal Arsehatbots.

  75. February 2, 2013 8:26 pm

    l will probably stay on sbs1 for the rest of tonight reb, l`m enjoying bruce parry in the arctic circle at the moment

  76. February 2, 2013 8:26 pm

    I love how one side squeals that the meeja is pro-Liberal while, like clockwork, you can betcha balls that the other side sees it the polar opposite way.

    The power of willful self affirmation.

  77. February 2, 2013 8:27 pm

    Boss, you can catch up later on the interwebs “SBS on Demand”…

    If you have a cone beforehand it’ll blow your mind – although it might make the subtitles a bit hard to follow…

  78. February 2, 2013 8:35 pm

    oh damn, l must have the wrong night, l thought richard dawkins was on now, not foreign soapies

  79. February 2, 2013 8:46 pm

    actually hummmph, l`m surprised reb and dunny seem to capitulated fate to bolt and gordo based theories, with 225 days available for stuff-ups _ #egg-stunt #credlin

  80. February 2, 2013 8:48 pm

    The only thing I’ve capitulated to is another glass of red…

  81. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 9:02 pm

    Yes 730, and I’m looking forward to every single cringe worthy one of them, politics is just so amusing these days, when I hear the polices prattling on it makes me so happy I just want to sing. The song goes a little like this, spin me right round baby, right round, lalalalal.

    I was wondering Reb, what do sophisticated chaps such as yourself favor in the way of reds?

  82. February 2, 2013 9:06 pm

    True, but the polls have reflected a Coalition win consistently for some two years now
    Wot the 50% Limited-News owned noise-Poll that every fortnight calls Holt Street and the chaff-bag carrying 2gb `caller` list.?

  83. February 2, 2013 9:07 pm

    I’m a cab sav man myself man hummmph, but my budget is usually limited to bottles around the $15-$25 range.

    If you want to experience “real class” in the red wine circuit stick around for Tom of Melbourne’s recommendations.

    He clearly earns way much more than me … *sigh*

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2013 9:09 pm

    So a bit like the Liberal Party..

    Yep, bin watching … bit slow in spots … and you are awful … but your link to the Libs is very appropriate …

    The only thing I’ve capitulated to is another glass of red…

    Had a busy day (workwise) so treating myself to a WT&soda … beats $2:50 SSB hands down! 😛

    Watching Sanctum tonight (Premiere) ???

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pleased to see hmph , still here, then I read …

    I was wondering Reb, what do sophisticated chaps such as yourself favor in the way of reds?

    Here comes, ToM & Wally …

  85. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 9:16 pm

    I’m a Pinot girl my self, but silly me i don’t know the name of my favorite, only had it once though when on holiday in Tassie, it’s from a winery near Coles bay, owned by a strange Itlaian who gives wine tastings and when he gets fed up he tells all the guests to get lost.

  86. hummmph permalink
    February 2, 2013 9:26 pm

    Thanks TB, will look it up

  87. February 2, 2013 10:27 pm

    I’ve capitulated to nothing.

    I simply accept that just because I think that Abbott is a lowgrade piece of shit, that won’t stop the faceless horde from voting the ALP outski.

  88. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 2, 2013 11:17 pm

    “Also, many people now just look upon Alan Jones as the bitter old friendless queen that he is since the “died of shame” remark. I doubt he’ll ever recover from that.”

    What ?

    are you kidding ?

    His ratings went substantially up after that. Plus his adverts are back on.

    He’s back on air Monday.

    You can podcast his every show if you really need to.

    LOL

  89. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 2, 2013 11:21 pm

    “I simply accept that just because I think that Abbott is a lowgrade piece of shit, that won’t stop the faceless horde from voting the ALP outski”

    Give us all an alternative then

    And if your answer starts with “Christine” I swear I will walk to SA and hunt you down .

    LOL

  90. February 2, 2013 11:40 pm

    heads-up TB + arrmchair
    since Premier Baillieu took office; 85% of the funding cuts have been initiated by his government – not that you’d know that from the media coverage,
    http://tnipe.wordpress.com/2013/01/11/687-days-and-hospitals-are-feeling-the-strain/
    Vic noddy-ness seems to be growing TB, which state will win the noddy stakes

  91. February 2, 2013 11:43 pm

    As l said before, tas is no gain for Mr-Rabbit,
    sa, nt + wa will balance, no gain for Mr-Rabbit.
    .
    All action is on the mainland east-coast.

  92. public toilet permalink
    February 3, 2013 12:41 am

    There is no alternative …none of them have clean hands & all of them have compromised ideals.

  93. February 3, 2013 1:07 am

    applies to Abbott. It’s clear from polling that even those voters who don’t like Gillard don’t like Abbott much either – and the reason for that is that their gut tells them not to trust him.
    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/how-to-win-the-alp-needs-to-make-it-impossible-for-voters-not-to-notice-that-tony-abbott-is-trying-to-pull-a-fast-one/
    =
    mr-Lefty is hitting some nails on the head. Good to see he hasn`t capitulated and can see some reasons not to.

  94. public toilet permalink
    February 3, 2013 1:53 am

    I’d like nothing better than to see Abbott fall flat on his arse…I’m just dubious that that will happen.

    Also, I’m not so sure that the ALP deserves to be ‘rewarded’ with another term.
    I’m the opposite of a Boltsturbating lickspittle.

    I fail to see how anything I’ve stated makes me capitulant.

    I’m unaligned. Healthily.

  95. February 3, 2013 2:48 am

    Who`s talkin to you dunny 🙂

  96. public toilet permalink
    February 3, 2013 4:14 am

    😉

  97. el gordo permalink
    February 3, 2013 7:54 am

    ‘I’m just dubious that that will happen.’

    He has been warned not to speak his mind of the top of his head.

  98. el gordo permalink
    February 3, 2013 8:02 am

    …off the top of his head.

    Still, tabot is renown for putting foot in mouth and he carries a large ego, so anything could happen.

  99. February 3, 2013 8:59 am

    “a strange Itlaian who gives wine tastings and when he gets fed up he tells all the guests to get lost.

    Stefano Lubiana…??

  100. el gordo permalink
    February 3, 2013 9:15 am

    Joolya is on the money with this theory.

    ‘THE surge in asylum-seeker boats to Australia may have been quietly sanctioned at senior levels of the Sri Lankan government as a political payback for Australia’s attempts to make Colombo answer for alleged atrocities committed during its civil war.

    ‘The theory has been discussed by Gillard government officials.’

    Cameron Stewart and paul Maley in the Oz

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2013 10:35 am

    I just looked up the price of Bowler’s Run Shiraz, $2.85 a bottle.

    I can’t imagine how that stuff would taste, I’ve been to conference dinners where they serve cheap wine, and on such occasions I drink water.

    Penfolds Bin 128 and Jaraman Shiraz are my recommendations at the lower end of the price scale for popular, drinkable wine. They’re often around the $20 range!

    But hummmph, please do yourself a favour and ignore TB’s advice on wine, fashion and music.

  102. el gordo permalink
    February 3, 2013 10:44 am

    TB also thinks history repeats itself, but I’m sceptical.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 10:49 am

    I’m unaligned. Healthily.

    For the first time in my voting life, neither am I, Ser PeeTee …

    … it’s not comfortable but what you say is true … (not unusual that I agree with you though 😉 )

    I also realised recently that these days I really only worry about The Minister and me … and not much will affect us whoever gets in …

    … in the past I voted for what was good for the majority (eg the GST didn’t bother me, I had plenty of disposable income – but it affected my parents, on the pension, dramatically … and it was a Keating plan, oddly)

    … another eg but not political … we also withdrew all our cash from NAB when they started applying fees to accounts lower than $500 … didn’t affect us – as the bank told us – but we told them it affected our parents who also banked there … we were making a point) …

    Quite frankly, if I was a Liberal voter, I’d have a field day – as we did bumping, John Howard, off … but I do not feel the same passion to promote the ALP, this time around …

    … it seems like an era of politics has come to an end … we have become more like part the USA …

    … in the early days of Federation, Australia was more like the UK … into the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and it had it’s own unique character … since then we’ve become more like septic tanks – even the accent is changing with kids – if you listen closely (particularly sounding rrrr’s) …

    One thing I do know Abbott’s Mafia will do far more damage than the Gillard Mobsters …

    (As 730, KL and I have pointed out – just see what the LibNits are doing to the states they think they now OWN …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Power to people not pollies!

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 11:00 am

    But hummmph, please do yourself a favour and ignore TB’s advice on wine, fashion and music.

    See what I mean, hmph, 80%ers … ToM, won’t “risk” $2:85 to try a wine? Australia produces the best wine in the world … price is NOT an indicator of taste … fashion is an old joke around here I once told them I bought a $100 suit from Lowes and it got more … “noice suit” … than the two $600 wool suits I had tailored … different product same outcome – price ain’t everything …

    Music is another issue … fan of Beatle/Merseysound era (but I was listening to Whitesnake this morning), enjoy classical, brass bands, jazz – anything as long as its good …

    … but ToM & Co only seem to focus on what they consider to be negatives – typical Liberal supporters …

    Beware Ser Pee Tee’s “music” … awful dangerous stuff!

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 11:52 am

    LOL!

  106. hummmph permalink
    February 3, 2013 12:14 pm

    Ah ha, Reb, Stefano does ring a bell, have since checked out his Pinot range on his web site, will order a couple and see how they go.
    TB, I also checked out your suggestion and I know some things are way overpriced, but then some things are cheap for a reason, I don’t think I’ll go there, I was wondering if you we’re pulling my leg for a minute.
    Tom, we also indulge in the Penfolds as from SA, also Boston Bay Merlot is fine for every day type glass of red with dinner.
    music wise I am the biggest Annie Lennox fan on earth 😊

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 2:21 pm

    I am the biggest Annie Lennox fan on earth

    Good Grief – another, Jummy!

    The Minister, is a fan too!

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2013 2:25 pm

    I’ve been watching Insiders this am, thought I wouldn’t bother again but there’s not much else on Sundays. The opinion that I have formed of last week’s events is that Julia Gillard has completely got the establishment knickers in a twist. Maybe it’s partly because she’s female [new territory for them] but the fact that she has been prepared to do things differently and not ‘play their game’ has produced a great unhinging of the usual players and powermongers. I think the canberra press gallery are not coping at all well, they’ve spent years colluding with Australia’s ruling elite to direct Australians on how to think but the damned social media is ruining everything!

    They really are just making shit up!

    Don’t for one minute think that the smug, arrogant and phonyTony Abbott could ever have coped with what JG has in this minority govt situation, she’s had the kitchen sink hurled at her and is still standing, battered and bleeding sure, but Abbott would be curled up in a padded room by now or have completely opted out to run, swim and cycle.

    I am especially incensed at the continued abuse of the courts by the Liberals as a campaign strategy and hope this is to be addressed.

    Enjoyed Albo and David Marr, although Marr and Hendo didn’t give Lenore Taylor much chance to get a word in and managed to talk over her a number of times.

    Will we ever get the answers that are necessary? We will eventually on Craig Thomsen as he is at least having due process, I feel that the police have shown their hand to be very much in collusion with politicians and the media – where’s the separation of powers these days? We do need a Leveson style RC here. As if newsltd is only a criminal organisation overseas! I want answers on the Ashby conspiracy and can’t believe the media silence on one of our greatest political scandals which showcases the political skullduggery of the so-called party of values, character and honest conservatism. How can it be ignored?

    Pyne won’t go near the Ashby questions:

    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/i-can-see-clearly-now-pm/

    I welcome Margo Kingston back in citizen journalism, she is still showing the MSM how a journo should be, honest, fearless and uncompromising!

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2013 2:48 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3681711.htm

    From 8’0″ onwards

    I’m afraid that I can’t watch Pyne without continually wondering about the odd soft, square shaped indentation ?scarring of his ‘adam’s apple’ area. Remember when his voice went down a notch and became more ‘manly’ in speech – did he have surgery to do so?
    Seems very weird to me, would he really submit himself to surgery to appeal to voters? At least Kim Beazley used to brush off his detractors by saying “this is the voice that god gave me”.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2013 2:50 pm

    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/02/liberals-ashby-wall-of-silence-cracks/

    …DAVID BRADBURY: Tell us about the drink that you had had with Ashby that
    you didn’t have and the email that wasn’t sent, tell us about those things. I
    won’t be lectured by you, Christopher Pyne, someone who has been outed for
    having lied on that issue when it comes to questions of moral propriety. It is
    about time you answered a few questions on those issues. And frankly…

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well, you are sounding a little hysterical.
    (Pyne is projecting – he’s freaking out.)

    DAVID BRADBURY: … we have a Federal Court judgment that implicates Mr
    Brough. And you and Mr Abbott…

    CHRISTOPHER PYNE: Well, are you sounding a little hysterical.
    (Interrupting to soak up time…)…

  111. February 3, 2013 4:46 pm

    Pyne is just a junior Dolly Downer clone…

    They both have that perpetually appalled and disgusted act down pat.

    They’re both such a pair of bitter old queens.

  112. el gordo permalink
    February 3, 2013 8:20 pm

    Hooray!

    ‘A key aspect of the system which has entrenched the power of the NSW Labor party’s notorious Right faction will be banned in a major reform announced by the opposition leader, John Robertson.

    ‘The practice of factions “binding” their MPs, or forcing them to vote as a block on an issue, has been identified as one way the controversial powerbroker Eddie Obeid maintained his influence over the former Labor government.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-alp-to-ban-notorious-block-votes-by-factions-20130203-2ds61.html#ixzz2JpHLrHVQ

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 8:29 pm

    Then the next story on news.com.au

    http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/labor-woes-like-hitler-film-downfall-says-coalition-frontbencher-christopher-pyne/story-e6frfkp9-1226567604114

    Ya gotta read ALL of it to understand why we a re stuck with Fuckwits™ in OUR Parliament …

    “These immature and offensive comments have no place in Australian political debate,” Mr Dreyfus said.

    “There is no place in Australian political debate for a comparison of any Australian government with Hitler’s Third Reich.

    But wait for it!

    Mr Dreyfus said his own comments last year comparing Mr Abbott’s campaign on the carbon tax to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels was different.

    “That’s a quite different thing, it’s a very, very specific and targeted comment about the propaganda techniques.”

    These people are deranged or backward … why did we get rid of lunatic asylums!

    Payne is a wanker for saying what he did and Dreyfus is no better FFS – he did the same thing! And what is a “right thinking Australian” certainly not a left thinking Australian … Dickwit® …

    We’de be better with Centrelink selecting our politicians by ballot … and then the government by ballot … much cheaper and probably much more EFFECTIVE!

    SACK ALL YOUR ADVISORS YOU TURKEYS – LOOK AT ASHBY – WHAT A ROLE MODEL!

    LEAVE MY COUNTRY ALONE – OR PERMANENTLY!

  114. February 3, 2013 8:38 pm

    excessive mincing is `news-worthy` apparently
    http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/labor-woes-like-hitler-film-downfall-says-coalition-frontbencher-christopher-pyne/story-fndor8bb-1226567604114
    .
    Milne says a reshuffle is appropriate after ministers announce they will not seek re-election.
    the rest is just unhinged embedded-media derp TB

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 8:44 pm

    073 I’m talking about the hypocrisy of BOTH parties – I know a reshuffle is necessary …

    … and I know that resigning by responsible ministers and backbenchers once an election is called is the proper thing to do …

    … but the 80% don’t get that! And that obviously includes the Liberal Party – the home for hypocrites and morons …

  116. February 3, 2013 8:46 pm

    this smells like bullshit, sourced from the uk `sun`
    http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/starving-north-koreans-are-forced-to-eat-their-children/
    wot do you`lot reckon.?

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 8:46 pm

    BTW, LibNIts … I’ll point out the ALP BS too!

    This voter has had enough of both major parties …

    what is it 037 … 224 days?

  118. February 3, 2013 8:53 pm

    ” hypocrisy of BOTH parties
    .
    yes mate, fully agree (and realize that you realize)
    .
    l was more commenting on the 7-8 para`s of bullshit with `1` sentence of `fact` in it passing as `news` (2010_re-run)

  119. February 3, 2013 9:09 pm

    yeah TB, 224 more days of embedded media + duopoly bullshit to go

  120. el gordo permalink
    February 3, 2013 9:12 pm

    Rumour mill has it that Stephen Smith is going to quit and become the Premier of WA in due course.

    His office denies the rumour has any substance.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2013 9:42 pm

    egg, egg, egg

  122. February 3, 2013 10:35 pm

    here is TRANSCRIPT of mr-poodle,
    we can junk the Limited News links
    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/pynes-barking-at-gillard-fawning-for-brough/

  123. February 4, 2013 1:26 am

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/january-2013-hottest-month-on-record/
    Jan 2013 is hottest on record (not denier-junk)

  124. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 8:03 am

    ‘Conclusion: climate adaptation is now our first priority.’

    Undoubtedly, adaptation to cooling or warming has always been a priority with homo sapiens. That is how we have survived and multiplied over 150,000 years.

  125. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 8:25 am

    The rusted ons have already accepted their fate and are preparing for a decade in the wilderness.

    http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/02/04/1226569/657677-130204-aus-na-file-federal-newspoll.pdf

  126. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 8:47 am

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:35 am

    Well, contrary to my prediction, not even new glasses have given Gillard a bounce in the polls.

    What is it with the electorate? Don’t they understand all the trouble that a hairdresser and stylist have to go to create a professional image for a bogan Prime Minster? The electorate seem so ungrateful, and unforgiving.

    People seem to concentrate on every example of dishonesty, rather than seeing the perspective – that she tells the truth almost 9/10 times. 90% is a good mark.

  128. February 4, 2013 9:45 am

    keep klinging to ya polls knuckle-heads, they won`t make the distance

  129. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:53 am

    Newspoll is just all over the joint this year and last year. There must be something going on in their methodology. Every one of their polls seems to have the look of “rogue” about it

    Galaxy, Neilsen and to a lesser extent seem a bit more consistent in the trending.

    Anyway all that having been said I don’t think Julia has any chance of remaining as PM until September.

  130. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:54 am

    “…..and to a lesser extent Essential….”

    I meant to say

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2013 11:18 am

    Anyway all that having been said I don’t think Julia has any chance of remaining as PM until September.

    50%-50% Wally …

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2013 12:27 pm

    This is more to my way of thinking

    Labor’s crisis is about politics and policies, not personalities:

    http://enpassant.com.au/2013/02/03/labors-crisis-is-about-politics-not-personalities/

    …The task of the radical left today is to build an alternative to Labor. Such an alternative must, given the systemically rotten nature of the ALP, not replace ‘bad’ Labor with ‘good’ Labor but work towards the day when the mass of workers, the vast majority of society, overthrow the whole rotten system.

    This new society would be a thoroughgoing democratic system in which production is organised to satisfy human need, not to make a profit…

  133. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 4, 2013 1:50 pm

    So Julia reckons that Chris Evans told her he was going to retire some time ago and it was no real surprise.

    Which begs the question why did she jettison her sitting senator in NT to install a token aboriginal female when she could have done it in WA with far less furore ?

    The answer is that Julia is just a liar

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2013 3:01 pm

    I don’t think some form of new look socialism is going anywhere. The issue isn’t the market mechanism, it is simply that it is driven by rampant consumerism… when’s the next plasma TV coming?

    The “left” vs “right” notion doesn’t make sense to me. Where do people sit on the spectrum when they’re on the progressive side of social and humanitarian issues, and conservative in economic policy? Which is the party that represents this orientation?

    VOTE 1 – Informal

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2013 4:17 pm

    …The issue isn’t the market mechanism, it is simply that it is driven by rampant consumerism… when’s the next plasma TV coming?…

    ‘Rampant consumerism’ is the market mechanism. Market demands ever increasing productivity and consumerism for ever increasing profits.

    Why voters believe the economy is in trouble:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-voters-believe-the-economy-is-in-trouble-20130203-2dsgp.html#ixzz2Ju5vF2H7

    …With all the silly talk about ”the cautious consumer” and with punters blissfully unaware that retailing accounts for only about a third of consumer spending, all the highly publicised complaints of the Gerry Harveys helped convince the public not that the retailers have their own troubles but that the economy must be going down the tube…

    …Then there’s the contribution of the unending fuss about ”debt and deficit”, in which the government has been completely outfoxed by the Liberals.
    Although every economically literate person knows Australia doesn’t have a significant level of public debt, the opposition has had great success exploiting the public’s ignorance of public finance and of just how big the economy is ($1.5 trillion a year) by quoting seemingly mind-boggling levels of gross public debt.
    With much of this argy bargy being reported by political rather than economic journalists…

  136. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 4, 2013 5:37 pm

    “…………the opposition has had great success exploiting the public’s ignorance of public finance and of just how big the economy is ($1.5 trillion a year) by quoting seemingly mind-boggling levels of gross public debt…………..”

    That might be so but if we look at likely increases in Health Expenditure and Aged Welfare over the next 10 years plus an unfunded NDIS of $16Billion per year then the Public has every reason to feel increasingly nervous about this government’s out of control promises.

  137. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 5:43 pm

    ‘By now, the voters’ majority perception that the economy’s in bad shape and Labor isn’t good at managing it is deeply ingrained.’

    The Coalition is better at managing the economy and I offer the CO2 tax as proof that this guvmint couldn’t run a raffle successfully.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2013 5:50 pm

    if we look at likely increases in Health Expenditure and Aged Welfare over the next 10 years plus an unfunded NDIS of $16Billion per year then the Public has every reason to feel increasingly nervous about this government’s out of control promises.”

    Don’t worry. She’ll be right mate! Voters have no interest in seeing Australia become Greece, Cuba, Venezuela or any other leftist shithole.

  139. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 4, 2013 5:59 pm

    Gross Federal Government Debt

    A$ 58,284,000,000 as of 30 June 2007

    A$244,325,881,000 as of 31 August 2012

    Yeah nothing at all to worry about based on current trends

    LOL

  140. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 6:22 pm

    Tabot has allowed for a pair, so Craig can attend court in Melbourne.

    Good strategy.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:07 pm

    Is it just me? But WGAF about Superbowl?

  142. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:10 pm

    ‘…the PM said that marginal seat MPs would be the only ones to suffer from the continuous leaking.’

    A backbench revolt?

  143. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:13 pm

    And I note Stephen Smith’s seat is marginal.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-election_pendulum_for_the_Australian_federal_election,_2013

  144. hummmph permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:29 pm

    That’s Gillards problem, she is such a hypocrite, it suits her to “leak” before the budget or when it’s in her interest , but no one else can. I know, I know they all do it, but she seems to use the leaks as an excuse for all her woes, you know sometimes she should just shut up, it now sounds worse cause she’s whining, and some ones still leaking, she should just knife the culprits in some quiet corridor somewhere.

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2013 7:32 pm

    Jacksonville 40: Police lies and stitch ups:

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/jacksonville-40-police-lies-and-stitch-ups/

    The public should be very concerned and frightened about the abuse of the courts and police collusion with politicians in these political attacks. Separation of powers?

  146. el gordo permalink
    February 4, 2013 8:38 pm

    It will be a shame to lose Laura Smyth (Latrobe), a Belfast born beauty with brains. Good academic standing in science and law which would have been useful.

  147. February 4, 2013 9:02 pm

    Nanny Roxon is a known rat who will desert any ship she perceives to be sinking. We know this and so does the embedded-media.
    =
    Federal seat of Gellibrand. (VIC) Roxon seat.
    Mr-Rabbit and his Tea_Guzzlers will make no gain in Gellibrand, it is a strong working class, ALP seat and any dissidents are going Green, NOT LNP.
    .
    Federal seat Maribyrnong. (VIC) Shorten seat.
    Gellibrand borders Maribynong, with similar demographics teabags, and slightly higher Green Leaning. Another Tea-Free-Zone.
    .
    While our two rats will abandon a sinking ship, their perception of
    “is the ship sinking” has been proven very poor historically.
    TWO MORE SEATS, NOT FOR MR-RABBIT.

  148. February 4, 2013 9:38 pm

    Mr-Poodle is on QuandaLand, expect mincing

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2013 9:46 pm

    Yeah, right AO. Doesn’t Wicks have a great history of getting it right on Thomson, Lawler, and the like?!!

    Does the Victorian Police Commissioner “share an office” with Michael Lawler?

    His credibility doesn’t even reach zero.

  150. February 5, 2013 3:39 am

    I still say Vic & Qld (which weren’t polled in the latest Newspoll, I hear – not that I follow these things) will save this govt. NSW will be volatile but nobody in 2011 was as suspicious of O’Farrell as they/we are of Abbott today.
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/but-enough-about-you-lets-talk-about.html?showComment=1359977105190#c3771895392848465370
    .
    heads-up TEABAGS
    Looks like Andrew Elder is drawing similar conclusions

  151. February 5, 2013 3:46 am

    by the way TEA GUZZLERS,
    Elder doesn`t seem to be a fan of those Noise-Polls you worship

  152. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:24 am

    Drug law reform is coming to NSW.

    ‘The NSW upper house is considering legalising the medical use of cannabis. This reflects increasing recognition of the benefits of marijuana use in some cases, and comes after dramatic changes in the US where 18 states now allow it in certain circumstances – a milestone in undoing the catastrophic experiment known as drug prohibition.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/medical-marijuana-a-sensible-step-back-from-past-paranoia-20130204-2dudm.html#ixzz2JxpB7vQm

  153. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 8:58 am

    And the laughs keep coming…………………………..

    “Thomson told Fairfax Media he believed the ALP has delayed preselection in his NSW seat in part to allow him time to mount a legal defence, with a view that he may yet represent the party in this year’s federal election.

    ”I’m sure that’s part of it,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-shortterm-comeback-ruled-out-20130204-2duk2.html#ixzz2JyAttkjs

  154. February 5, 2013 9:07 am

    “_benefits of marijuana use_”
    With a bucket of Tea in one hand and a reefer in the other,
    gordo discovers global warming!

  155. February 5, 2013 9:13 am

    “_And the laughs keep coming_”
    in Maribynong and Gellibrand
    .
    l notice the Tea Guzzlers aren`t mounting much in the way of a defense for Mr-Rabbit nowadays.

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:46 am

    Elder doesn`t seem to be a fan of those Noise-Polls you worship

    No, newspoll would have to be a fiddle, nothing else that criminal organisation does is decent and above board. I’ve noticed that the coalition love to create some faux outrage or smear just before the polling period begins too, you can set your watch by it. Another in their bag of tricks to win by deceit.

    They can white wash, primp, perfume and tie a big pink ribbon around phony tony and ‘his girls’ to sell him, but he will still come across as menacing and too creepy dangerous. Libs think they can force him on us.

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:48 am

    To state the obvious, in order for the ALP to win government, it has to take seats from the coalition.

    Where is this likely to happen, given that the ALP is toxic in NSW?

    Gillard is unpopular, about as unpopular as Abbott. Gillard was touted as a “vote magnet” 2 years ago. Now she’s a vote anvil, and is deeply and legitimately mistrusted.

    Where is the ALP bounce going to come from? Rudd really is the only way towards any bounce.

  158. February 5, 2013 10:52 am

    A Rudd returnification seems like their only hope.

    Maybe that’s why Roxon threw in the towel. She hates Rudd, so perhaps she knows a come-back is on the cards with Gillard’s abysmal polling.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:56 am

    newspoll would have to be a fiddle

    I don’t believe that. The unpopularity of the government is deeply embedded in the psyche of the electorate. And the results are entirely consistent with my anecdotal experience – traditional ALP voters I know are very disappointed with the government, they’re annoyed and disillusioned. They might eventually return to the ALP as the “least worst” option, but right now they’d send a signal to the government and Gillard if asked by a pollster.

    People have turned on Gillard, in much the same way they turned on Howard. Howard was seen as dishonest, breaching trust. Gillard is now in the same position.

    Neither Howard nor Gillard are entitled to “blame the media” or pollsters.

  160. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:57 am

    “I still say Vic & Qld (which weren’t polled in the latest Newspoll, I hear – not that I follow these things) will save this govt.”

    So if you dont “follow these things” why do you give a running commentary ?

    Oh……….I forgot……………………..You give your predictions based on the general “Vibe”

    ……………LOL

    And it just goes to show how hopeless Elder is if he cant be bothered even perusing the actual polling result.

    What an idiot

    “These surveys were conducted on the telephone by trained interviewers in all states of Australia and in both city and country areas. Telephone numbers and the person within the household were selected at random. The data has been weighted to reflect the population distribution. The latest survey is based on 1163 interviews among voters. The maximum margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points. Copyright at all times
    remains with Newspoll. “

    More poll information available at http://www.newspoll.com.au

    http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/02/04/1226569/657677-130204-aus-na-file-federal-newspoll.pdf

    For what its worth I think Newspoll is becoming a running joke anyway. Every one of them seems to jump around violently when compared with the others which are “trending”

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:58 am

    Rudd would win a snap election, or at least save a dozen MPs who would otherwise be out of a job. That will focus some attention.

    Even I’d vote for the ALP if they returned Rudd.

  162. February 5, 2013 10:59 am

    To state the obvious, in order for the ALP to win government, it has to take seats from the coalition.
    .
    HEEEEE HAAWWW
    You teabag donkey`s don`t Learn do ya.
    2010 Mr-Rabbit 73 + Joolya 72
    Seats can stay identical as far as l`m concerned.
    The indies know Mr-Rabbit is a dick-head and won`t back him.

  163. February 5, 2013 11:01 am

    Wouldn’t it be nice if we could actually choose between Rudd and Talcum, you know – people that the public actually like, rather than two that are universally loathed….

  164. February 5, 2013 11:04 am

    “_the ALP as the “least worst” option,_”
    .
    now the penny is starting to drop

  165. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:05 am

    “Where is this likely to happen, given that the ALP is toxic in NSW?”

    “Toxic” ?

    Now that’s being very kind.

    The ALP will be slaughtered in the West of Sydney.

    And dont be at all surprised if ex Premier Morris Iemma fails to win the Robert McLelland vacated seat of Barton in Sydney’s South ( it is situated on the Southern side of Sydney Airport)

    Right beside Peter Garrett’s seat of Kingsford-Smith (the Eastern side of Sydney Airport) and in very close proximity to Marrickville which is Albanese’s seat on the Western side under Green threat.

  166. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:06 am

    [elder]
    …Unlike many public speakers Abbott didn’t, of course, start with a “welcome to country” (an acknowledgement of Aboriginal custodianship of the particular part of the country the speaker is in): nobody would expect him to…

    That annoys me, the Libs refuse to even allow this one small recognition that does so much to lift spirits and reconcile. This is the hypocrisy, they spruik how abbott does so much for ‘charity’ [aborigines = charity?] He spends a week in the noel pearson sheltered workshop for christian whiteys, playing at modern day missionary [as if they didn’t cause enough harm], but the words and deeds in practice and policy are cruel and demonise.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:09 am

    So just tell me 7.30, the likelihood is that the ALP will lose seats in NSW. Possibly many. Where will it pick up the equivalent number?

    People aren’t currently persuaded that the ALP is the “least worst”. Disillusionment seems to run very deep and it’s difficult to see the disaffected returning to the ALP.

  168. February 5, 2013 11:14 am

    “vibe” ? Jock Shock ?
    So you think Mr-Rabbit has a snow-balls in Gellibrand ?

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:17 am

    Where is this likely to happen, given that the ALP is toxic in NSW?

    Libs aren’t popular in qld and vic. Too much slash, burn & sell off, a precursor to the carnage that an abbott govt would wreak upon the population.

    And does anyone poll the youth of australia, including first time voters? You know, the ones the Libs keep trying to kick off the electoral roll? They are very environmentally aware and have first hand knowledge of how business treats their casual and naive young workforce.

  170. February 5, 2013 11:19 am

    ” So just tell me 7.30, ”
    yomm, l have been telling you teabags whats what.
    So far Jock Shock has conceded Tasmania and fled the rest, while you have fled them all. Gordo`s evaporated.
    Teabags are letting their deity down.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:20 am

    There are a dozen MPs who have a simple choice – between Rudd and unemployment.

    …and if we’re talking about the likelihood of the ALP holding Gellibrand, the ALP is finished.

  172. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:21 am

    “That annoys me, the Libs refuse to even allow this one small recognition that does so much to lift spirits and reconcile. ”

    Yes it does tend to “lift spirits and reconcile” once the organising party has passed on the cash to the indigenous “welcomer”.

    The standard charge for one government department in NSW is $120. That’s for Department of Community Services seminars. Cant vouch for the others.

    They refuse to do it without a fee so it seems only cash manages to sufficiently “lift the spirits” so to speak these days.

    As far as “reconciling” that’s best left to the beancounters.

  173. February 5, 2013 11:23 am

    Albanese’s seat on the Western side under Green threat.
    .
    thanks Jock Shock, l believe you,
    chalk up another seat NOT for Mr-Rabbit

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:26 am

    Disillusionment seems to run very deep and it’s difficult to see the disaffected returning to the ALP.

    But will they vote Lib? There are the Greens & Indies too. I still have hope of another minority govt sending the establishment into a maniacal frenzy of outraged apoplexy!

    I think there should be a big campaign on voting with some thought, voting ‘below the line’, not as dictated by the parties and their strategic alliances.

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:30 am

    Who knows about Victoria? I don’t get any sense that there is any positive sentiment towards the federal government, even though the state government is seen as overseeing a malaise in services.

    People are increasingly cynical of politicians and want to belt them with a baseball bat. They dislike the incumbents, whether they’re ALP or Liberal .

  176. February 5, 2013 11:32 am

    “_and if we’re talking about the likelihood of the ALP holding Gellibrand, the ALP is finished._”
    .
    HEEEEE HAAWWW
    HEEEEE HAAWWW
    .
    you need to find reasons that support
    Mr-Rabbit getting 76 seats
    .
    alp and green swaps still keep Mr-Rabbit out yomm

  177. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:34 am

    David Bradbury (ALP) is a loser.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:39 am

    Yes it does tend to “lift spirits and reconcile” once the organising party has passed on the cash to the indigenous “welcomer”.
    The standard charge for one government department in NSW is $120. That’s for Department of Community Services seminars. Cant vouch for the others.

    $120. Wow, you would even resent that pissy amount? Politicians and government happily spend much more on their own wining, dining, big noting themselves and feting business guests/lobbyists. How miserly and uncharitable of you. Guess it depends on whether it is considered ‘worthy’ or ‘deserving’ by the downward envy bigots.

  179. February 5, 2013 11:45 am

    ” I still have hope of another minority govt sending the establishment into a maniacal frenzy of outraged apoplexy! “
    .
    Yeah l noticed the `whoo-hooo` on the afr link.
    Let`s face it, the duopoly AND embedded media totally unhinged,
    what`s not to like.

  180. February 5, 2013 11:48 am

    downward envy bigots.
    .
    damn that`s exactly what it is armchair, great phrase

  181. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:10 pm

    “$120. Wow, you would even resent that pissy amount?”

    I dont consider $120 for 8 minutes of BS tokenism to be “pissy”

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:11 pm

    Did you see this 730? Interesting discussion re lack of public donations.

    Queensland opens floodgates:

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/queensland-opens-floodgates-20130202-2drrc.html

    There’s the lot in comments.
    Compassion fatigue, qld exceptionalism – qld to us like texas is to the usa, why should I pay for people that won’t insure themselves [I do have some sympathy with that view], shouldn’t re-build on a floodplain after last flood, developers and councils at fault, the uninsured got a donated re-build and the insured got screwed over, angry ‘cos personally donated then feds forced a levy.

  183. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:17 pm

    Plus “Welcome to Country” has no historical roots/relevance anyway.

    As I said.

    Just tokenism

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/aboriginal-australia/ernie-dingo-claims-the-first-welcome/story-e6frgd9f-1225841577128

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:28 pm

    I dont consider $120 for 8 minutes of BS tokenism to be “pissy”

    Course not, what a waste of money just for indigenous people to feel good about themselves and the historical events that they have yet to recover from. Better to have millions in taxpayer $ go to more important things like tony abbott’s image makeover and voter stunts.

  185. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:33 pm

    Do they pay tax on the $120?

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:40 pm

    Plus “Welcome to Country” has no historical roots/relevance anyway.

    And the ANZAC legend has little resemblence to the historical truth, yet we spend millions on that myth creation. But that’s OK, that’s whitefella tokenism.

  187. February 5, 2013 12:41 pm

    Yeah armchair, donor fatigue etc.
    Also the stupid `State-Wars` that go on too, which chews up massive amounts of cash. l`m talking about Syd, Melb, and Bris all bidding against each other to host Olyp/Comm games. Gifting to Corps to setup head-office etc. The same goes on at coag, all trying to out-bid or out-beg for health, education, whatever, extras for one state over another. But none do any `preventing` to biz, eg don`t build on flood-plain, close insurance loopholes etc.

  188. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:43 pm

    “And the ANZAC legend has little resemblence to the historical truth”

    Care to elaborate or is that just another “look over there”

  189. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 12:46 pm

    “Do they pay tax on the $120?”

    Anyone’s guess I suppose but in relation to Dept of Comm Service NSW (DOCS) it must be paid in cash.

    So what do you think the chances might be ?

  190. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 1:00 pm

    Well, I’d be very happy to earn $120 cash foe 8 mins work, not that I begrudge them, but I am definitely in the wrong job.

  191. February 5, 2013 1:05 pm

    yeah hummmph, sounds good in theory, but like any other job with a good rate of pay, it is short-term or random or occasional

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 1:08 pm

    Care to elaborate or is that just another “look over there”

    Do I really need to? Is your disconnect so bad that you cannot even recognise the other side of your bias?

    Yeah armchair, donor fatigue etc.
    Also the stupid `State-Wars` that go on too…

    From one commenter:

    ConfusedLocationBrisbaneDate and timeFebruary 04, 2013, 2:20PM
    Hi there, I can give you another example of Queensland being a little too shall we say… petty; commandeering an attitude of “we are better than all the rest”. The Newman government has put out a memo to all government staff basically telling them to be hostile and uncooperative at COAG meetings and to keep in mind that Queensland is in competition with all other states. The memo commends Newman for his uncooperative behaviour at a recent COAG meeting (think it may have been the one where all governments tried to reach an agreement on disability funding), and encourages all staff to follow suit. This type of memo is something you’d expect from North Korea not an Australian state. We need to be cohesive, not hostile, petty and insecure!
    Commenter
    um
    Location
    Queensland
    Date and time
    February 04, 2013, 6:02PM

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/queensland-opens-floodgates-20130202-2drrc.html#ixzz2JzCwjjKv

  193. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 1:11 pm

    ‘short-term or random or occasional’

    And probably ‘on call’, which tends to lead to a sobering disposition.

  194. February 5, 2013 1:21 pm

    l didn`t even see that. Noddy may be more blatant and aggressive about it, but it`s not unique to qld, all the states do it and, both sides of duopoly do it

  195. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 1:30 pm

    “Do I really need to? Is your disconnect so bad that you cannot even recognise the other side of your bias?”

    So I’ll take that as confirmation that your have nothing to back it up

  196. February 5, 2013 1:40 pm

    ” confirmation that your have nothing to back it up”
    do the Teabags ever.?
    they seem to be fleeing today, Like Mr-Rabbit does

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 1:52 pm

    I have no problem with the welcome to country. If it’s being introduced as a symbol of reconciliation, without traditional roots – fine.

    It is a new tradition, and will become part of our culture. If someone makes pocket money out of it, that’s fair.
    =======
    The ‘least worse’ rationale doesn’t work. Gillard doesn’t deserve the job.

    My analogy is wine tasting. Start with a 2005 bin 389, work down to a Jaraman shiraz, but when asked to choose between the Bowlers Run (that someone has span in) and the Bowlers Run (that someone has pissed in)… I’ll choose to decline either. That’s the choice between the ALP and the Liberals.

  198. February 5, 2013 2:02 pm

    your tea-spouting has dried up yomm,
    what`s wrong.?
    did you prise them open this weekend.?
    by the way Mr-Rabbit doesn`t deserve the job

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 2:11 pm

    So I’ll take that as confirmation that your have nothing to back it up

    You can take it as confirmation of your idiocy.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-old/fury-at-anzac-day-centenary-divisive-fears/comments-e6frfkvr-1226309777159

    http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/anzac-day-not-for-faggots-and-towelheads/

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/historians-argue-the-anzac-legend-is-more-pork-pies-than-bully-beef-20120418-1x7pr.html

    …A former army officer and historian for the Department of Veterans Affairs, Graham Wilson, says one of the most persistent myths was of the great independent Aussie bushman instantly transformed into a fabled fighter.
    ”We were not a disciplined fighting force like the British, or even the New Zealanders, and had an appalling discipline record,” he said…
    …”In reality, most were urban and probably factory workers who didn’t know one end of a rifle from the other. In terms of fighting skill, the Turks we fought at Gallipoli were much better soldiers and it wasn’t until 1917 that the Australians became an effective fighting force.”…

  200. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 2:13 pm

    I agree Tom, if Gillard can’t lead her crew , how can she lead a nation ( even ifshe is keeping us safe) you don’t have to be popular to be a good leader, but it seems as if more of her own team are thinking that their captain is neither popular or a leader, so something has to give.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 3:15 pm

    So what are your thoughts on Tony Abbott, hmph?

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 3:23 pm

    What’s wrong with Anzac?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/nickbryant/2010/04/whats_wrong_with_anzac.html

    …”The myth of Anzac has become more significant in recent years, ubiquitous even, with what I have called the militarisation of Australian history, mightily subsidised by the Howard government in the 1990s and early years of this century.

    …The militarisation of history, it is argued, has created a mood of ultra-patriotism. The government money spent on promoting Anzac themes, the book also contends, was designed to “divert attention from the history of Aboriginal dispossession and frontier massacres by opening up a new front”…

    What we have seen is a rise in nationalism and white thuggery as a result of Howard’s ‘white blindfold’ re-writing of history. John Howard also funded his own mean spirited, divisive ‘culture wars’ and social engineering through policies such as the baby bonus and having poorer taxpayers fund the private health & education choices of the wealthy and ‘aspiring class.

    The ‘least worse’ rationale doesn’t work. Gillard doesn’t deserve the job.

    It works for me, why put someone in who is worse? Why would people take a “I want to be worse off than I am now” attitude? Goes against the instinct of self preservation.

    Abbott doesn’t deserve the job, three word slogans, daily stunts, running away from media questions and extremely vicious fabrications and character assassination of political opponents, just don’t cut it. He’s had his face and lies everywhere, we’re at abbott saturation point and people still aren’t buying what he’s selling.

  203. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 3:32 pm

    At this point in time I think he is in a better position as leader of his party than what Gillard is, as a PM, gee that’s a tough one. I will vote for libs, whoever their leader is, but I do think Abbott is improving with time, but still very much prone to foot in mouth disease. we don’t even have a labor or a greens candidate in the seat of Grey yet, or not that I have heard of or seen. Abbott as leader? If he allows his ministers to have a fair say in policies, then he may have a chance, I guess I just don’t have a problem with him.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 3:48 pm

    …”In reality, most were urban and probably factory workers who didn’t know one end of a rifle from the other. In terms of fighting skill, the Turks we fought at Gallipoli were much better soldiers and it wasn’t until 1917 that the Australians became an effective fighting force.”…

    And all volunteers looking for work and/or adventure … and a few to defend, The Motherland …

    However, Anzac Day isn’t JUST about WWI ANZACs … today its recognising those who have served and are serving, their our country — when directed by our government …

    I didn’t “get it” for over 30 years … as a Nasho it was just something I was forced to do … (and I remind you I wasn’t an Aussie when I served) … so Anzac Day was just another public holiday … my father was ex RN (and I’d not spoken to him for 8 yrears) asked my son to ask me to go to a dawn service … I did … a little girl – about nine years old, laid a tiny bunch of flowers at the Cenotaph … I’ve been to every local dawn service since …

    … I’ve marched a few times now with my son (he served for 12.5 years) with mixed reaction … we both served in the Corps so I don’t march with other Nashos … but last year I cam across two young blokes one wearing four medals (his mate was a civvie) … I noticed he’d served in Afghanistan … I asked hom how old he was … “eightteen” he replied … he served as an IT tech, I shook his hand, “Well done, son”!

    Then his mate said, “What’s that medal?” pointing to me … the young Digger said … “that’s a National Service Medal” … … … his mate, holding out his hand, said, “I’d like to thank you, that medal is as important as my mate’s!” …

    Anzac Day is about living people too … not just myths and legends

    I remind you that Diggers, Sea and Air personnel are not tye bad guys – governments are …

    The Battle of Long Tan was one of the most devastating battles the ADF has ever been involved in … 2000 North Vietnam regular army against a Company (100 men) of Australians … we lost 21 Diggers that day (NVN 245)… 11 of them urban and probably factory workers who didn’t know one end of a rifle from the other National Servicemen …

    A mate, who was in my section during training was blown up and killed on an APC in VN … a friend of mine lost his brother in VN … KIA …

    Anzac Day for most Australians is not about a Gallipoli landing (a feat in itself if you ever actually go there) …it’s for the living … the legend is a legend, we know that … there is no Father Christmas either but the Easter Bunny is on his way … 😉

  205. February 5, 2013 3:58 pm

    “My analogy is wine tasting.”

    And an excellent analogy it is too Tom.

    This election is like being offered a glass of Shiraz and having to choose between Taylors Promised Land and Cockatoo Ridge.

  206. February 5, 2013 3:59 pm

    Look at that, you start talking about cheap wine and look who shows up…

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:01 pm

    How can welcome to country even be seen as tokenism? Aborigines, our first people, fought and died for their country when it was invaded all those years ago. How does it become only a white australian version of history and an ongoing resentment of the first australians?

    It seems fitting somehow

    Dulce Et Decorum Est

    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

    GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!– An ecstasy of fumbling,
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
    And floundering like a man in fire or lime.–
    Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

    In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

    If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

    Wilfred Owen

    …but I do think Abbott is improving with time, but still very much prone to foot in mouth disease…

    No, stop giving him excuses and making out it’s just a silly mistake. It is abbott saying what he really thinks, no mistake at all. The public outcry after these statements/opinions show that what he thinks is not tolerated or shared by the population. Stop papering over the cracks in the man. You don’t give Gillard the same leeway.

  208. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:04 pm

    “You can take it as confirmation of your idiocy.”

    Yeah whatever ya like Bolshie.

    How about quoting his entire point of view not just the pieces convenient to you usual.

    “……….Wilson admits that some myths, which came from yarns spun by soldiers and embellished by historians such as Charles Bean, are harmless but, he argues, ….”

    “the real story is inspiring enough without the tall stories…………..”

    Lets repeat that bit JUST FOR YOU KITTY

    “the real story is inspiring enough without the tall stories…………..”

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/books/book-review-bully-beef-and-balderdash-by-graham-wilson/story-fna50uae-1226336861076#ixzz2JzsKAAgS

    “…………with what I have called the militarisation of Australian history, mightily subsidised by the Howard government in the 1990s and early years of this century…”

    Oh FFS where is the evidence of that ?

    Howard has been gone for almost 6 years now and he’s still getting “blamed” for increased attendances at ANZAC Day marches and trips to ANZAC Code.

  209. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:04 pm

    Code = Cove

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:08 pm

    Anzac Day for most Australians is not about a Gallipoli landing (a feat in itself if you ever actually go there) …it’s for the living … the legend is a legend, we know that … there is no Father Christmas either but the Easter Bunny is on his way …

    Try to tell that to the boozed & drugged up yobs who are thrusting the flag and a fist in people’s faces, the ones who grew up on Howard’s diet of jingoism and nationalist pride.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:13 pm

    I will vote for libs, whoever their leader is …

    But, but, you said you were a swinging voter a couple of days ago??

    Another one …

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:16 pm

    THE Opposition today confirmed it would add 15 per cent to the tax on superannuation paid by 3.6 million low wage earners if it wins government, but hinted at a replacement scheme for battlers.

    “hinted” at a replacement scheme … the present sc hem is a “sure” scheme and so Hockey attempst smoke and mirrors … good start Joe! 🙄

    http://www.news.com.au/money/superannuation/libs-superannuation-tax-plan-to-hit-low-income-earners/story-e6frfmdi-1226570841493

    Turkeys one and all …

  213. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:16 pm

    Abbott says what he really thinks, and Gillard says what she thinks is a good idea at the time.

  214. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:19 pm

    Yes TB, that was a couple of days ago,but the fact that labor appear to be intent on destroying one another has left me with no confidence in them at all.

  215. Jihad Jack permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:21 pm

    “the ones who grew up on Howard’s diet of jingoism and nationalist pride.”

    Thankyou for your support. You will be blessed in paradise

    And of course the Great Satan the infidel legions of America the Evil One and its cohort of dog asshole sniffers the English and French people who dare to challenge our divine right granted upon us by the most blessed one Allah to whom we are greatful to rule the world under one sharia law the most holy of laws granted by the blessed one.

    Allah Akbah

  216. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:26 pm

    “THE Opposition today confirmed it would add 15 per cent to the tax on superannuation paid by 3.6 million low wage earners if it wins government, but hinted at a replacement scheme for battlers.”

    When will both sides leave f***ing Super alone ?

    The current scheme is stupid for low income earners as few access it because they are low income and cant afford to. Its mainly accessed by the wives and children of the well off who have had their taxable income already reduced by negative gearing.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:27 pm

    Try to tell that to the boozed & drugged up yobs who are thrusting the flag and a fist in people’s faces

    Two points, KL,

    I’ve never personally seen what you describe but last year I did see a younb yobbo (civvie) hit a girl across the face … the first person there (from across the street, was my son, followed closely by two of our friends … I stayed with the two ladies in our party – wives of the blokes who followed … after my son “talked” the guy into disappearing he was immediately verbally abused by the young woman female …

    If the scenes you describe happen, then its a good bet its not ADF ex/serving members (they do take care of their own) and its in the “shady” part of town where its a regular occurrence most nights…

    … most of us know the BS about the flag too … so why lay it on the ADF … are you saying Anzac Day should be abandoned?

  218. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    “having to choose between Taylors Promised Land and Cockatoo Ridge”…and who would ever choose one over the other??!!

    Unless applied to chrome cleaning, unblocking drains, spraying at stray cats…or perhaps serving to dinner guests that have over stayed their welcome. Sensible people don’t voluntarily consume crap, and that applies to political parties too.

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    … already reduced by negative gearing.

    An awful tax break for the richeats and infamous that should be abolished forthwith and immediately made retrospective … along with Family Trusts …

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:31 pm

    Mmmm … don’t mind a Cockatoo Ridge PNC when its on speshul … Grenadin Brut with lunch though … dummy that I am … 🙂

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:35 pm

    Mock orange in bloom everywhere locally and the ants are really busy going UP … big rains coming in about three days, I reckon … 😯

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 4:49 pm

    Oh FFS where is the evidence of that ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/nickbryant/2010/04/whats_wrong_with_anzac.html
    …In this month’s edition of the Australian Literary Review, one of the country’s leading historians, Geoffrey Blainey, publishes a rejoinder. He accepts that the Howard government did, indeed, spend a lot of money promoting Anzac-related themes…

    and funding records

    Patriot act:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/patriot-act/story-e6frg8px-1111113633984

    …Yet only one month before his Anzac Day address in 2001, his Government funded a report, conducted by the RSL, aimed specifically at finding ways to involve younger Australians in the rituals and commemorations of Anzac Day. Through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, the Government has also funded the expansion of Anzac Day initiatives in schools, awarding cash prizes for Anzac-related activities in all primary and secondary schools.

    The department’s website instructs students to “observe tradition and include veterans in their activities”. It also sets out the appropriate order of service for Anzac Day including hymns, prayers, poems, flag-raising protocol and the singing of the national anthem. In case teachers are in any doubt concerning the meaning of tradition, the department obliges by providing a definition: “the continuing, from generation to generation, of beliefs, legends, customs, practices and symbols”.

    BTW

    Aussies forget the NZ in Anzac:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2355369/Aussies-forget-the-NZ-in-Anzac

    …Dr Crotty, a New Zealander who lectures Australian students, tells a story of one student who “thumped the table after I’d given a seminar and complained at having a New Zealander come and tell us about Anzac”.

    “He was genuinely shocked when I told him what the N and the Z stood for.”…

    “… most of us know the BS about the flag too … so why lay it on the ADF … are you saying Anzac Day should be abandoned?…”

    No, just put into perspective, a commemoration of a solemn event, not a rock concert. Truth in history, not australia’s history, self esteem and identity being re-invented as beginning in Gallipoli.

  223. February 5, 2013 4:50 pm

    “Grenadin Brut with lunch though”

    Let me guess, because it says “made in France” on the bottle…?

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:06 pm

    Jihad Jack
    February 5, 2013 4:21 pm

    Is that you cory? geert?

    …but hinted at a replacement scheme for battlers…

    They do a lot of that, hinting at things that might never become reality, just dangle a carrot to offset the pain they know they are going to inflict. No intention of following through. People will be told..”the books were worse than we thought, no money to be found” etc. Most of us know that it is only intended to hook the naive and gullible. If they were actually going to dot that, it would be policy, no hinting of a possibility required. If people vote for abbott on the strength of that, they deserve him!

    Abbott says what he really thinks,

    Occasionally, by mistake apparently, when he goes off script and leash and what he really thinks frightens people!

    and Gillard says what she thinks is a good idea at the time.

    What do you think abbott’s stunts and slogans are all about? Straight out of the focus groups and lib polling.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:10 pm

    But, but, you said you were a swinging voter a couple of days ago??
    Another one …

    hehe, the swingers have made up their minds before even hearing any policy or costings 🙂 sounds more like a ‘rusted on’.

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:22 pm

    *** Let me guess, because it says “made in France” on the bottle…? ****

    au contraire, mon ami …

    Not a big fan of French wines particularly their “fizz” … it was replacement for a bottle borrowed (a Cockatoo Ridge PNC as it turns out!) … I did have a rather nice pinot noir in London once it was sold as a still wine but had a trace of tiny bubbles, really nice … and I do have a bottle of Moët & Chandon on ice as I type … a gift this time from my daighter … M&C is a favourite of The Minister’s and mine for special occasions …

    The M&C came with its own cooler … the only photo I could find below … supposedly keeps the wine cool for up to three hours (maybe in France?)

    BTW, it IS pronounced mowett … the winery staff insisted! True!

    The umlaut is the secret …

    http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=moet+%26+chandon+in+cooler+can&start=224&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1582&bih=917&tbm=isch&tbnid=F70bakftPlV0bM:&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099196/Female-accountant-stole-30m-firm-spent-millions-lunch-break-properties-jewellery–tipping-sales-assistant-886-000.html&docid=twkXH7N0pw21bM&imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/10/article-0-07754A03000005DC-754_224x300.jpg&w=224&h=300&ei=YqIQUdm4EOmImQWJxIDwAg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:60,s:200,i:184&iact=rc&dur=1067&sig=109831238517025140387&page=7&tbnh=192&tbnw=143&ndsp=42&tx=31&ty=72

  227. February 5, 2013 5:34 pm

    “BTW, it IS pronounced mowett … the winery staff insisted! True!”

    Yes I know, darling… 🙄

    In much the same way as Bollinger is pronounced “Bollin-yer” with a soft “g” and not the “j” sound often mis-pronounced here.

    So Bollinger as in “ringer” not “ginger”

    🙂

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:40 pm

    sounds more like a ‘rusted on’.

    Just another wolf in sheep’s clothing come to worry the flock … in for a shock!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes I know, darling… 🙄

    You’d be surprised how many argue the point, sweetheart … 🙄

    Mostly folk who think they “know” …

    So Bollinger as in “ringer” not “ginger”

    I loike that, it explains it good … 🙂

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:43 pm

    Oh, BTW, sreb … “Grenadin Brut with lunch though” lunch was a tin of Heinz spag in extra cheese sauce with a toasted roll … bewdiful … The Minister was out to lunch with “the girls” … 😆

  230. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:50 pm

    KL

    For every quote I can find a counter.

    But for the really sickening gutless stuff we have to draw upon the ramblings of your Leftie mates

    “……….In the 1980s the ALP Hawke and Keating governments realised Anzac Day’s potential as a nationalist celebration, and began its current revival. As social spending was slashed, both Hawke and Keating put increased emphasis on Anzac Day as a nationalist event that blurred class distinctions. Hawke revived the Gallipoli pilgrimage, and later Keating invoked the sacrifice on the Kokoda Track.

    The insidiousness of Anzac Day is …, in which the horror of war is denigrated, but the sacrifice, valour and bravery of those who fought for their nation is promoted. The result is a sickening situation in which small children walk around wearing deceased relatives’ war medals on a day that marks the invasion of another country.

    In spite of conservative criticism to the contrary, there is something wrong with Anzac Day. Left-wing people should reject it for what it is, a conservative celebration of nationalism and militarism. They should stay at home on Anzac Day, and march instead on May Day, the international day of working class struggle. “

    http://www.sa.org.au/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=4716:anzac-day-is-a-celebration-of-war&Itemid=393&tmpl=component&print=1

  231. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:50 pm

    AO, you remind me of my mother, I really admire her absolute faith in all things labor, I don’t agree with everything libs say and I don’t disagree with everything labor say, so in a way I am a fence sitter, I imagine no matter what you have also made up your mind which way you will vote come hell or high water, yes I wish I had your faith.

  232. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:51 pm

    At Sports Bet you can still get 200/1 that Roxon will be the next Labor leader, ahead of Kate Ellis and Peter Garrett.

    Turnbull and Rudd are each getting 4/1 to lead their respective parties.

  233. February 5, 2013 5:53 pm

    “lunch was a tin of Heinz spag in extra cheese sauce with a toasted roll”

    LOL… 🙂

    You’re all class TB.. 🙂

    Luv it!

  234. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 5:58 pm

    “An awful tax break for the richeats and infamous that should be abolished forthwith and immediately made retrospective … along with Family Trusts”

    Negative Gearing

    1) In my experience its usually used by the average Joe Suburban for an investment unit or house to supplement his Super. Joe is far from “rich” or “infamous”. You Lefties do tend to overestimate the really rich. However it should not be completely abolished.

    2) Retrospective ay……………….yeah that would do our Sovereign Risk profile a real lot of good. The last Tax Law to be changed retrospectively was for Bottom of the Harbour Schemes. Everything else rightly has what are called “Grandfathering” clauses attached

    3) Family Trusts….. be they Discretionary or Unit Type ? I actually agree.

  235. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 5, 2013 6:15 pm

    Kitty

    And for the rather complete demolition job on the book you cite you can look here……..

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/books/we-werent-that-dumb/story-e6frg8nf-1225848127735

  236. February 5, 2013 6:45 pm

    “Family Trusts….. be they Discretionary or Unit Type ?”

    Eyes glazing over….

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:03 pm

    AO, you remind me of my mother, I really admire her absolute faith in all things labor,

    I have no faith in politics.

    I’m not a labor voter. I haven’t placed a vote for them since Keating’s days.

    I vote Greens, I’ll swing anywhere except liberal/national/fundie, I take a lot of care in voting below the line for the senate [and it’s not easy with the number of parties listed]. I make sure I have got my postal vote ahead of the election day so that I can relax with a wine or coffee/tea and take my time and even research the parties on offer. I had been planning to vote Labor in this election as my protest against the sexism, establishment hysteria/backlash and personal attacks upon Gillard, but I’m still not sure if I will be able to do so when it comes down to the crunch, depends on how things go.

    I’m guessing you swing between the liberals and the nationals 🙂

    I cannot understand fence sitters, people who can’t make a decision about anything.

    Kitty
    And for the rather complete demolition job on the book you cite you can look here…

    yeah, already saw those links you’ve cited 2dt, I remain resolute and my opinion unchanged!

    I think this debate is on an ANZAC frolic of it’s own, remember, we were initially debating the aboriginal welcome to country!

    The politics of memory:

    http://faculty.education.illinois.edu/westbury/jcs/Vol36/clark.htm

    The Howard government has refused to apologize for the Stolen Generations, expressing concern ‘that there is no reliable basis for what appears to be a generally accepted conclusion as to the supposed dimensions of the “stolen generation”‘. While conceding ‘that up to 10% of children were separated for a variety of reasons, both protective and otherwise, some forcibly and some not’, the government argued that this ‘does not constitute a “generation” of “stolen” children. The phrase “stolen generation” is rhetorical’ (Herron 2000).

    Back in Gallipoli, less than 10 percent of the Australian population enlisted in World War One, yet Howard praised the ‘remarkable legacy’ of that ‘great-hearted generation'</b?, the Anzacs (Howard 2000). While the unsavoury aspects of Australian history could be quietly forgotten, the inheritance from its founding heroes was unbroken. It was this history, these so-called 'facts', that formed the core of the subject that Howard advocated for Australian schools…

    In Howard’s eyes it was deny the history of aboriginal dispossession at the hands of white australians, they don’t matter. He could have given the apology, could have built bridges, refused to do so, and the same mentality is in the opposition to ‘welcome to country’.

  238. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:19 pm

    AO, are you sure your not my mother, remove labor, insert Greens, and I’d swear these words were straight out of my mothers mouth. Believe it or not last state election I, yes me, was very responsible, voted for the Greens in SA because of a particular issue, not just as a protest vote, that seems a little immature, I’m not really obsessed with politics it dosnt rule my day to day life, but I can tell you are passionate, have you considered entering politics? I’m sure you’d go a long way.

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:20 pm

    “lunch was a tin of Heinz spag in extra cheese sauce with a toasted roll”
    LOL…
    You’re all class TB..

    prefer baked beans myself, gourmet, with added grated cheese 😉

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:28 pm

    AO, are you sure your not my mother,

    I think I’d know if I misplaced a child! 🙂

    but I can tell you are passionate, have you considered entering politics? I’m sure you’d go a long way.

    I’m passionate about a lot of things, but not my ability to make any contribution to politics.

    I like your your mum, she sounds like a wonderful woman!

  241. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:46 pm

    ‘prefer baked beans myself, gourmet, with added grated cheese ‘

    Bolshie food…

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:57 pm

    ” have you considered entering politics? I’m sure you’d go a long way.

    Yet another who would wish ruination on the country!

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2013 7:58 pm

    Baked beans goes with intolerable, gag inducing wine.

  244. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 8:30 pm

    ‘Former NSW Labor minister and party historian Rodney Cavalier said:

    “People should not dismiss the escapades of Young Labor lightly. These are the people who will be occupying the opposition benches before the end of this decade and beyond.

    “They are apprentice members of the political class, trained in hatred and trickery. No one should doubt for a moment the values that motivate them.

    “All of them are seeking paid employment inside what used to be called the Labor movement, some have already cracked jobs on the staffs of unions and with ministers.

    “The moment they are employed, their life’s experiences come to an end. They will not mature beyond that moment.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/charlatan-young-labor-members-take-a-swing-at-faulkner-20130205-2dw38.html#ixzz2K10kq1aS

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 8:36 pm

    You’re all class TB.. Luv it!

    About time you recognised it … thanks for the support .. where is my fkn cheque! 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    1) In my experience its usually used by the average Joe Suburban

    These are the folk that can’t afford super you mentioned earlier? 🙄

    ITS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT DODGE TAX ‘CAUSE THEY EARN SO MUCH FKN MONEY! Do you really think we are all morons … shakes head …

    AND IT PUTS UP THE PRICE OF HOUSING! (I don’t need to explain that to you surely … you know that, I’ve read your posts before … but you try and BS how finance “works” …

    … we have a little saying in my family (well a few actually), “learn the system and use it to your advantage” … my son-in-law earns big six figures … they bought a duplex … do you want to know why? shakes head …

    Negative gearing is designed for the rich to get richer … and demosnstrates why the ALP is no longer the ALP!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … so in a way I am a fence sitter … … no your not… I will vote for libs, whoever their leader is, but I do think Abbott is improving with time

    You’ve already made up your mind …

    Did you think you could “play silly buggers here”? … tut tut … we have enough of the – I used to’s posting, your just another one … serious shit this politics … 🙂

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 8:40 pm

    … prefer baked beans myself, gourmet, with added grated cheese

    Fogot that detail … I had the grated parmesan from our shaker … spot on, KL!

  247. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 8:59 pm

    730, thanks for reminding me to read andrew elder, that is a blinder of a post!
    It should be on the front page of every newspaper or given as a remedial journalism lecture for the current lot who fail to deliver the slightest scrutiny of abbott.

    But enough about you, let’s talk about Tony:

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/but-enough-about-you-lets-talk-about.html

    …Why anyone would decide, as Abbott and Pyne have, that hooting like apes through Question Time constitutes service to the Australian people was not made clear by Abbott…

    …This guy has been a dilettante. As soon as things have gotten hard, he’s flitted away and left problems for others to clean up…

    …This man does nothing to foster voluntary community organisations. This man has spent his career sneering at “do-gooders”, the very people who hold those organisations – indeed, the very country – together. If experience as a journalist means anything, it should mean calling Abbott out on this crap. Abbott regards “people without a political agenda” as mugs, and treats them accordingly.

    “It’s why I’ve tried to be useful in remote communities as a teacher’s aide and builder’s assistant rather than just a glorified tourist from Canberra”

    So hammering in some nails for the camera makes you a poser “builder’s assistant”? There are people who do those jobs for a living and you have no insight into how or why or what they need to do their jobs better. We’re expected to vote for a man in his fifties to do work experience (while unemployed people of that age can’t even – oh, what’s the use)?

  248. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:11 pm

    Yeah, I’m seriously voting for libs, seriously 😗

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:15 pm

    but you try and BS how finance “works” …

    He puts his spin on it, can you imagine as the client, with your accountant spinning it that way, the client almost imagines they are doing the tax office and their country a favour. No way are they getting rich off other [poorer] taxpayers, they work so hard, they deserve it, and anyway >$150,000 is the new $35,000, they are almost struggle street!

  250. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:39 pm

    You know I didn’t mean to offend anybody with fence sitting remarks, I thought that’s what swinging voters did in a roun about way, we vote differently according to different issues.😔

  251. el gordo permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:43 pm

    You didn’t offend hum, a few of us here stand in the middle ground.

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:52 pm

    We know hummmph, don’t worry, it is pretty robust around here. I for one, think you have been very restrained under some provocation from myself. I enjoyed your input. You are right, that is what swingers do. The issue that turns into the decider is what interests me.

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:54 pm

    You know I didn’t mean to offend anybody with fence sitting remarks, I thought that’s what swinging voters did in a roun about way, we vote differently according to different issues.

    No-one is offended, hmph ..

    I will vote for libs, whoever their leader is … hmph

    Just amused …

    Oh, egg, I’ve got a post for – I’ll put it in your chambers … (Note: you might “think” its the “middle ground” … 🙄

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:01 pm

    You didn’t offend hum, a few of us here stand in the middle ground.

    *cough..choke..splutter*

  255. hummmph permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:11 pm

    Can anybody tell me if I can post a photo from iPhone or iPad onto this site?

  256. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:17 pm

    So I try and BS about how finance works at ?

    And your expertise so far extends to a massive depression all over the world the complete collapse in house prices blah blah blah

    And that was in 2007 and onwards. At the same time I recall saying you we’re WRONG

    My BS beats your total lack of knowledge anyway.

    “Negative gearing is designed for the rich to get richer … and demosnstrates why the ALP is no longer the ALP!”

    How far do you need to go back into ALP history. Curtin perhaps. Because it was Keating that reintroduced it.

    You really are full of it .

  257. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:22 pm

    “prefer baked beans myself, gourmet, with added grated cheese ‘”

    They are lucky to get a bowl of rice a day in your utopia of North Korea

  258. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:28 pm

    “And your expertise so far extends to a massive depression all over the world the complete collapse in house prices blah blah blah”

    And you included Australia. So don’t deny it. And because of china it never happened. But you kept repeating your monotone mantra.

    You have been proven comprehensively WRONG.

    And the next response will be

    “but but but………..what about Europe”

  259. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 5, 2013 10:34 pm

    “Do you really think we are all morons … shakes head …”

    Actually not quite all.

    I can think of one though.

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:32 pm

    Can anybody tell me if I can post a photo from iPhone or iPad onto this site?

    I’ve tried to insert pics in comment box before and can’t. I don’t know if it’s the wordpress settings or reb’s.

    “Negative gearing is designed for the rich to get richer … and demosnstrates why the ALP is no longer the ALP!”
    How far do you need to go back into ALP history. Curtin perhaps. Because it was Keating that reintroduced it.

    Whenever I read up on NG, I can never find out when it actually began. Keating was going to quarantine them from gearing across all income. I always get the impression that NG existed prior to Hawke/Keating’s reform wishes.

    I don’t think TB was arguing which political party [labor] he was saying the fact that it still exists and that Keating got lobbied out of the reforms [no actual evidence supported the fear about a rise in rentals] demonstrates why labor is no longer the party looking out for the interests of the poor and the working class. NG exists purely for the wealthy to shirk their tax liability.

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2012/10/saul-skewers-negative-gearing-again/

    Negative gearing is estimated to cost the Federal coffers up to $5 billion a year…

    …NG is biased towards the wealthy, deprives the government of precious tax revenue, pushes-up the cost of housing, and does little to increase the supply of dwellings or improve rental affordability…

    $5 billion is a lot of money, we could do with it in our national budget, that would really “grow the pie” [as we keep hearing over & over]. Think how far that $5 billion could go in health, education and services. No more screeching by pollies “where’s the money coming from?”. Think of the outright steal from taxpayers by the wealthy who should be paying more tax and are clearly only in it for wealth creation.

    NG is unfair.

  261. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2013 11:39 pm

    The opposition can be counted on to go straight to the gutter, they know no other way except grubby dirtbagging. I thought they were trying to be liked?

    A Dreyfus affair of Julie Bishop’s making

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/a-dreyfus-affair-of-julie-bishops-making-20130205-2dwhy.html

  262. February 6, 2013 2:00 am

    Chief Of Staff hummmph jumped off the fence into Mr-Rabbits yard to hock her eggs for Mr-Rabbit and inspect his wares.
    Not convinced, hummmph has fluttered back to the top of the fence to gather splinters.
    A big day for a little chook

  263. February 6, 2013 2:10 am

    photo from iPhone or iPad
    all the wordpress themes seem to work different hummph,
    l reckon the best way is just load your photos to any public accessible account you have, twitter, blogger, etc _ then just drop the .JPG url to whatever blog you want show it to

  264. February 6, 2013 2:18 am

    ” a few of us here stand in the middle ground. ”
    the middle ground between DenierLand and TeabagLand is FairyLand

  265. February 6, 2013 2:45 am

    Bolshie food ??
    really gordo.?
    you do realize `baked-beans` and other canned foods were invented for allied forces so the soldiers could carry a few rations which would help keep `moral` high, no thought not
    teabags can`t stop their stupidity,
    (1st baked beans were in molasses)

  266. February 6, 2013 2:57 am

    ” 730, thanks for reminding me to read andrew elder,”
    no worries armchair, l particularly enjoyed this,
    ” Turnbull’s scrappy policy has been hammered by the tech press to the point where he is no longer able to defend it; Abbott will have Buckley’s. ICT is one area (health is another) where people defer to experts; the Coalition has learned nothing from their debacle at the last election. “
    .
    l wonder who sparked that.? (comments)
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2013/01/clearing-dead-wood.html

  267. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 7:43 am

    This could be depressing for Oz.

    ‘Chinese warships have pointed missile radars at Japanese military targets and taken the two regional powers to the brink of “a dangerous situation”, say Japanese officials.

    ‘The news overnight marks a dangerous escalation of a four-month diplomatic and military stand-off between Australia’s two largest trading partners, involving disputed islets in the East China Sea.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-japan-on-the-brink-20130206-2dx25.html#ixzz2K3kB8VeM

  268. February 6, 2013 8:16 am

    abc1, over-night uk parliament passed gay-marriage,
    vote was 400 for, 175 against,
    sarah hanson young says,
    greens are going to try to re-introduce gm bill in canberra today and mr-rabbit and joolya should drag themselves out of the dark ages

  269. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 8:16 am

    Gay marriage in Britain a victory for commonsense (sic).

  270. February 6, 2013 8:33 am

    “My BS beats your total lack of knowledge anyway.”

    Well I’m glad we cleared that up.. 🙄

  271. February 6, 2013 8:33 am

    abc1, lndependent Tony Windsor confirms he we run for election 2013

  272. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 6, 2013 8:52 am

    “I thought they were trying to be liked?”

    As we know a sitting member of Parliament is excused from Court appearances if he is required to sit in Parliament on any given day.

    In the spirit of cooperation and as a great gesture of generosity Tony Abbott has granted Craig Thomson a pair so he can finally take those first steps in Court today to finally clear his name.

    LOL

  273. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 6, 2013 9:11 am

    “Whenever I read up on NG, I can never find out when it actually began. ”

    LOL

    Kitty

    You should be careful what you ask for

    Reb’s eyes are about to glaze over.

    *******************Income Tax Assessment Act 1997 (AKA ITAA 1997) **************************
    Section 8-1 — deductions for expenses incurred earning assessible income, this is the main section covering deductions.

    There is no specific section of the Act that says interest is deductible or repairs are deductible or agents commissions are deductible. This Section was designed originally to cover everything possible and not just for rental properties but all business deductions from Joe Suburban the electrician with a business with a rental property to BHP Billiton.

    ITAA 1997 replaced the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936. The new Section 8-1 replaced Section 51(1)

    So your answer is 1936.

    I’m surprised TB didn’t tell you. Him being the finance expert and everything

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_Tax_Assessment_Act_1997

  274. February 6, 2013 9:25 am

    I got as far as “Section 8-1”.

  275. February 6, 2013 9:29 am

    Looks Like some of the screeching l`ve been doing, is starting to catch on with some of the other Lefty`s armchair. Check out the image at the bottom of this post.
    http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/the-lefties-are-losing-the-will-to-live-by-penny-carter/
    (teabags needn`t bother, you won`t get it)

  276. February 6, 2013 9:35 am

    l wonder if Joolya has the brains to join with greens when they re-introduce marriage bill reb. lt could jump-start her election image with the embedded media, l doubt Joolya will do-so because it`s the “right-thing-to-do”, that`s just not her style.

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2013 9:49 am

    As the rest of the civilised world removes discrimination, Our Prime Minister doggedly sticks with her “traditional” view of marriage.

    So does Abbott, but what do you expect from the Liberals? Or Abbott, who anchors his views in traditional religion.

    Let’s hear Gillard’s excuse.

  278. February 6, 2013 10:26 am

    I doubt it 7:30…

    It was only recently that she met with Jim Wallace to assure him that she would protect “their right” to discriminate, so I can’t see it happening.

    Naturally I’d love to be proven wrong.

  279. February 6, 2013 10:37 am

    lt`s no good just blaming Joolya, yomm,
    Mr-Rabbit could have passed any bill he wanted if it was reasonable, but he just spent two years being anti-everything. With the uk tories passing the marriage bill, it leaves mr-rabbit looking like the sack of shit is, and you as his apologist.

  280. February 6, 2013 10:40 am

    looking like the sack of shit HE is, and you as his apologist.

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2013 10:59 am

    Really 730?

    I’m not sure what’s worse –

    • Someone who opposes gay and lesbian rights, when leading a(formerly) progressive political party, for no apparent philosophical, reason, … other than pandering to religious minorities for expedient political motives, or

    • Someone who leads a traditional conservative party (which includes religious minorities in its constituency and membership) and who opposes gay and lesbian rights because he shares those minority religious beliefs.

    But you’re the one who continually posts about “least worst” options.

    So just tell me – which leadership position is “least worst”?

  282. February 6, 2013 11:16 am

    both are crap yomm, no excellence on the horizon,
    but you can keep championing your sack of crap!
    .
    which won`t get up anyhoo

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2013 11:30 am

    But 730, you provide some support Gillard specifically because it is the “least worst” option. On the other hand I vote informal, because I choose not to consume any product or service I find abhorrent.

    So on this issue, which politician has the “least worst” rationale for explaining their position?

  284. February 6, 2013 11:35 am

    On the other hand I vote informal
    .
    more bullshit from our tea-spouter

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2013 11:44 am

    More ducking and weaving from someone who avoids addressing the total hypocrisy of Gillard against the stupidity of the religious conviction of Abbott.

  286. February 6, 2013 11:46 am

    ” But 730, you provide some support Gillard ”
    .
    WRONG. l just don`t swallow the crap that Mr-Rabbit will romp home to the lodge that the embedded media trumpet.
    .
    can`t see any gains for Mr-Rabbit actually

  287. February 6, 2013 11:55 am

    ” ducking and weaving ”
    bullshit
    .
    Mr-Rabbits stupidity Verses Joolyas stupidity
    are both what they are `stupidity`
    no explainer needed
    .
    ditto for hypocrisy
    .
    yomm, l really don`t mind if Joolya loses 5 seats to the greens

  288. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2013 1:10 pm

    Check out the image at the bottom of this post.

    haha, that’s true 730.

    l wonder if Joolya has the brains to join with greens when they re-introduce marriage bill reb

    I would not be surprised if on this question, the religious MPs of labor and the coalition would join forces to deny the will of the people. Has anyone thought that perhaps Gillard really does believe what she publicly states on gay marriage? JG has said whilst she herself is not a believer, she respects the views of those who are.

    This is one of the issues that really annoys me, the so-called ‘conscience’ of MPs, I don’t believe they should be allowed a conscience vote on anything. It’s obvious with the many rorts and unscrupulous deeds that their conscience doesn’t play a big part in their immoral and unethical behaviour, it is only used as an out for religious issues. Why is it that we have a predominance of religious affiliated MPs anyway? Has politics become the vehicle for religious activists to control the general population and ensure we live as dictated by them? How can the non religious counter that, considering we have no control of the selection process [nor do the branches] the parties now control the entire process by parachuting ‘their’ candidates into seats, by branch stacking etc.

    One author, marion maddox writes that John howard was not an overtly religious man, but he co-opted the christian vote to stay in power and that has changed our politics.

    God Under Howard
    http://www.allenandunwin.com/default.aspx?page=94&book=9781741145687

    At the very least, religion should not be a ‘hidden’ element in politics as it has always been. Every australian at election time should know where their ‘chosen-for-them’ candidate stands on religion and know exactly how they will vote on conscientious issues. We already know that the religious right control the coalition, it also controls the labor party. So religion is a dominant force in australian politics but it is entirely hidden from the scrutiny of voters eg The shoppies head joe debruyn doesn’t poll his membership on the questions but uses their strength of numbers to force his personal religious belief. Have you ever heard Conroy & Shorten [the short-con bloc] express religious views? It is hardly even reported in the media how individual MPs have voted when they express their ‘conscientious’ vote.

    God is back – but does it matter in Australia? [Kristina Keneally]
    http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2011/10/24/3346756.htm

    Recently someone said to me that it is a strange world in which we live where our atheist prime minister is opposed to same sex marriage and the Catholic former Premier of NSW supports it. This is my point. It is no longer enough to know if a politician is Catholic or Protestant or Muslim or Jewish or agnostic, it is now important to ask how their beliefs express themselves in their political views

    God under Gillard: Religion and politics in Australia
    http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2011/11/10/3360973.htm

    …Warhurst observes that the hardest part of conducting his research was the difficulty of finding reliable data about Australian leaders’ faith. Members’ and Senators’ religion is not a matter of official record…

    …Similarly, many nominal Christian or uncommitted parents sent their children to conservative Christian schools, seemingly undeterred by the fact that many such schools require their teachers to sign a statement of belief that asserts that non-Christians cannot be saved, while some actively promote the idea that God’s rule trumps the law of the land or the power of the state….

    On the other hand I vote informal
    So you won’t complain about the outcome then?

    More ducking and weaving from someone who avoids addressing the total hypocrisy of Gillard against the stupidity of the religious conviction of Abbott.

    I don’t think the religious conviction is stupid, he uses it to gain certain votes, I don’t think it causes any harm in a coalition voter base and may attract other votes. But I do note that you never assert the total hypocrisy and phonyness of abbott that is apparent in everything he says and does.

  289. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2013 1:20 pm

    We know gay marriage won’t get up, it will be defeated because Labor will allow a conscience vote and abbott won’t, correct me if I’m wrong but I can’t see it happening unless abbott gives his lot the ‘freedom’ of a conscience vote – and he won’t. Or, if labor denies the conscience vote and forces them all to vote for gay marriage [mutiny from the religious right?]
    What would the green/indies split be?

  290. February 6, 2013 1:35 pm

    ” Has anyone thought that perhaps Gillard really does believe what she publicly states on gay marriage? JG has said whilst she herself is not a believer, she respects the views of those who are. ”
    =====
    l get your point armchair but she could still,
    she respects the views of those who are.
    and allow gay-marriage, but not insist religions perform them.
    l suspect gays would prefer a legal/civil marriage over an institution of bigots, pedos, abet-ers, haters and liars anyhoo.
    (tho reb may kick me arse here)
    lnstead, Joolya groveled to the ACL

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2013 1:41 pm

    lnstead, Joolya groveled to the ACL

    For sure…she is desperate for every vote. Although I wonder how many votes would be lost on the issue. I think the ACL influence is over rated and some of the churches say CEO jimbo doesn’t represent them. That doesn’t mean that they are not all lobbying hard.

    She’s too scared to go for it, plus the revolt from within her own party could be politically damaging, you know how vicious the religious get!

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2013 1:50 pm

    This is for victoria, I wonder if there is one for all the states

    Where your MP stands on Marriage Equality

    http://www.australianmarriageequality.com/whereyourmpstands/electorates/Maribyrnong/

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2013 1:55 pm

    Great, Gillard might only be a sincere bigot, rather than a hypocrite without even the cloak of superstition/religion.
    =======
    People comment on the subjects that interest them.

    I’ve never been interested in the Liberal Party. I have been interested in the ALP, and have gone from being an active member to a critic. How they’ve fallen.

    Now I’m a member of the Democrats, not active. But from what I can see there aren’t any members in that category. However they do have principles broadly consistent with mine- socially progressive and reasonably economically conservative.

    Neither of the major parties reflect my orientation so I choose not to vote for them…but for someone with my background, it’s the ALP that represents the BIG disappointment.

  294. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2013 1:57 pm

    Gay marriage: does your MP agree with you?

    http://www.news.com.au/national-old/gay-marriage-data-interactive/story-e6frfkw0-1225961445853

    put in your postcode and see if your MP is supportive

    In my electorate:

    46%Yes, there should be full equality
    35%No, marriage is between a man and a woman
    19%I don’t care

    42% of people in the electorate are married

    and my MP is supportive of gay marriage

    Nice to know!

  295. February 6, 2013 2:00 pm

    ” some churches say CEO jimbo doesn’t represent them. ”
    .
    yep, l dropped flourish/jacobs link on uniting church,
    instead of groveling to acl, Joolya would have been better showing some backbone and garnering some support from `uniting`, which don`t seem to be phobes and whacking her party knuckle-heads into line. lnstead, she just chose to be another teabag, which is folly anyway as nobody will chose teabag-lite when full strength teabag is on offer

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2013 2:02 pm

    I’m surprised TB didn’t tell you. Him being the finance expert and everything

    One day you’ll actually comprehend posts here, Wally … your to quick to start screeching when challenged … in fact it wasn’t a challenge I just said NG is one reason the ALP has lost the plot – because its still on the books – you got hot under the collar about its introduction ..

    … as for the GFC … John McPhilbin and I took a lot of flak from 2005 on at Blogocracy for predicting a major financial collapse … I also predicted an increase in unemployment that may reach 10% … massive spending by the newly elected Rudd government contolled that to some degree (the USA topped 10% BTW) …

    As for being wrong? In what?

    A gladly accept that you have far more financial knowledge, experience and skill than I have …

    … I will only challenge your interpretation of financial management process … something I studied and practised from a business perspective as a corporate manager, consultant, small business owner and as a self funded retiree since 2005 – when I began posting …

    It is “funny” that, KL, picked up on the reason for my mention of the ALP and clearly summarised it for you … then you still continued you meltdown …

    You then decided to rant about the GFC predictions – largely true BTW … I don’t have a Liberal Party Cra’ked Krystal Ball … and you of all people must know that I’ll also gladly admit that I’m wrong if proven … pity others here don’t …

    … chill out, man … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    I shall now read the post below the one I replied to …

  297. February 6, 2013 2:10 pm

    abc1, breakfast news said this morning, that it was now a majority FOR gay-marriage, tho in some places very slim.
    .
    but l suspect it didn`t include the DON`T-CARE vote, which has always been quite high, if just the `phobe-anti` vote is just measured, it is definitely the losing/minority voice and should be treated as such
    ie-(not groveled to)

  298. February 6, 2013 2:19 pm

    it`s funny that tea guzzlers spout
    all things teabag as great and then claim they are `Left` `Democrates-yank` or `Labor`. Teabags must really think we are as dumb as they are, or as ashamed as shit of their deity.

  299. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 6, 2013 2:32 pm

    There is pressure on abbott for a conscience vote, I read that the young libs with a 2/3 majority, have voted and proposed for abbott to allow a conscience vote.

    I think that the libs have all power vested in the leader though, he has the power to decide all!

  300. hummmph permalink
    February 6, 2013 2:50 pm

    For what’s its worth, I have a feeling that the gay marriage be legalized sooner than later, I can’t see Abbott backing down, but if Gillard were to give the thumbs up, it would give her some extra votes and get it out of the media, it’s just another “problem” she can do without. In my own experience most people are either pro gay marriage rights or it just don’t care, it’s not a big deal to them.
    Where I used to work, we had a gay colleague who used to enjoy stirring one of the older , old fashioned staff members who could not tolerate alcoholics, young girls that ran around half naked, drug addicts, most foreigners, dole bludgers, and the list goes on, but gay colleague says I’m off for a ciggie and we knew she was biting her lip and when gay coll went outside she all but exploded because smoking was so disgusting. Some one started laughing and said to her, I thought you would complain about him being gay, not smoking, older staff member retorts, well who cares if he’s gay, half the blokes that work here are gay, but I just can’t stand smokers.that from one of the most prim and proper people I know. (She does actually have a heart of gold) It will be intersting to see if a gay marriage bill comes up again soon and if its handled any differently now that election date is known, because I believe it’s not a big issue to most people.
    My Sefano Lubiana Pinot has arrived, 🙂 I know what I’ll be doing after work, after shopping, after yoga, hope its my favorite.

  301. February 6, 2013 3:05 pm

    “Has anyone thought that perhaps Gillard really does believe what she publicly states on gay marriage? JG has said whilst she herself is not a believer, she respects the views of those who are.”

    Sure, but the main point here is that she allows her “personal” view to affect her decision-making in terms of public policy.

    I can understand people who are apathetic about gay marriage.

    I can also understand people who are against gay marriage because of perceived notions of tradition, or because of religious reasons.

    What I can’t understand is why someone who is a self-confessed atheist is opposed to gay marriage for no other reason than “she’s against it” and then wishes to impose that unashamedly bigoted view on “the rest of Australia.”

    It just doesn’t make any sense..

    But then “Molecules” Gillard quite often doesn’t make any sense..

  302. February 6, 2013 3:06 pm

    Enjoy the Pinot humph. I’m sure you won’t be disappointed. Stefano’s wines are excellent.

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2013 5:18 pm

    Stefano’s wines are excellent.

    ha, but do you know the correct way to pronounce, Stefano’s, dahling 🙄

  304. February 6, 2013 5:19 pm

    don’t you dahling me DAHLING!

  305. February 6, 2013 5:20 pm

    Tony Abbott says that “Politics is no beauty contest…”

    If that’s the case, why is it these days he wears so much fkn makeup….??

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/abbott-says-politics-is-no-beauty-contest/story-e6frfku9-1226571945485

  306. February 6, 2013 5:20 pm

    chuckles…

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2013 5:23 pm

    … don’t you dahling me DAHLING!

    LOL! Wally will be frowning around about ………………………… now!

  308. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 5:40 pm

    ‘…all things teabag as great and then claim they are `Left` `Democrates-yank` or `Labor`.’

    Its unbelievable, voted Labor all my life, a strong supporter of the left faction and even voted for joolya at the last election, but its all over now.

    Never will I return to that squalid mess unless the PM recants on global warming.

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2013 5:45 pm

    Never will I return to that squalid mess unless the PM recants on global warming.

    Giggle … BTW, egg, did you the movie I posted for you? Really sensational video … serious stuff too … ice calving …

  310. February 6, 2013 6:01 pm

    Groan… Don’t you have your very own dedicated thread to play in…?

  311. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 6:04 pm

    Yeah, ok.

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2013 6:14 pm

    That’s where I put the video, egg …… ????????? How hard?

  313. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 6, 2013 6:36 pm

    “………..egg …… ????????? How hard?”

    That reminds me of a Liverpudlian accent a few years back.

    Young Female Waitress :”Your eggs ………..how would you like them today”

    60ish year old Customer : “3 minutes ……………..No more no less”

    “And could I have my fucking toast this morning without the black bits………..meaning before it gets fucking burnt…….”

    “And for fucksake why is there never any salt on these tables”
    *********************************************************************************

    I got the impression he was a regular

    As overheard in an upmarket B& B (GDP120 p/n) on the Isle of Wight off the southern coast of England in June 2005

    No wonder there are so many warning signs on the M25 around London which simply say

    “The North”

  314. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 6:44 pm

    ‘That’s where I put the video, egg …… ????????? How hard?’

    Thanks TB, wasn’t thinking, under a bit of stress.

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2013 6:59 pm

    Your welcome, egg, and it is impressive stuff (believer or denier – funny how that got twisted in the debate) …

  316. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 7:11 pm

    Indeed, its the crux of the matter.

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 11:07 am

    http://www.news.com.au/national/im-offering-you-nothing-julia-gillards-response-to-dumped-senator-trish-crossin/story-fndo4bst-1226572146614

    Retribution is the main source of motivation in the ALP. Gillard exacts retribution for Crossin supporting Rudd, Crossin attacks Gillard.

    I have no great problem with Peres being appointed to the number 1 position (by the hacks and warlords).

    The shame on the ALP is that actual activists and ALP stalwarts like Warren Mundine have been overlooked for a decade. Mundine could have made a genuine contribution to the intellect to the parliamentary party as well as representing a genuine indigenous perspective.

    It’s all just indicative of the malaise of the ALP.

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 11:31 am

    It’s all just indicative of the malaise of the ALP.

    And some people are calling it racism …

    There was a story on news.com.au this morning that’s now disappeared … you can find bits of it on other web sites … a major leak from the Liberal party of a discussion paper to transfer resources and assets to open the North of Australia … while some concepts may have merit … it struck me as a very national socialist idea …

  319. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:08 pm

    There was a story on news.com.au this morning that’s now disappeared … you can find bits of it on other web sites …

    Yeah, abbott’s been busy trying to hose it down. Very much the taxpayer funded mega profiteering that Gina Reinhart & co. have been asking for – a special economic zone for the top end and migrants brought in as slave labour with the benefit of easier residency after 4 yrs or so [dunno if there was anything about $2 day for pay]. A medical centre of excellence in Darwin for “medical tourism” not sure what that means, funded out of the foreign aid budget I think..

    All over the news now is the links between organised crime, doping across all sports with the involvement of pharmacists, coaches and sports scientists, match fixing.

    Guess Lance would have been quite at home here, maybe we can import him, oh we did, the tour down under!

  320. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:13 pm

    The shame on the ALP is that actual activists and ALP stalwarts like Warren Mundine have been overlooked for a decade.

    What has his activism entailed tomm, genuine inquiry? I don’t know his history.
    I think Snowdon couls have stood aside a long time ago and it is time for mcCrossin to go. I like Marion Scrymgour myself. I know her personally and believe she is passionate for advancement of her people. I think she’s been badly done by in politics.

  321. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:45 pm

    “…Guess Lance would have been quite at home here, maybe we can import him, oh we did, the tour down under!”

    A friend of mine ( a very very super fit road bike rider) used tune to SBS until all hours watching the Tour De France and specifically Lance. He’d actually sit on an exercise bike with a water bottle pedaling madly every now and then in front of the TV to compare his rate of speed over certain periods to the real riders and try an imitate the hill climbs by adjusting the resistance level on his exercise bike.

    He’s now shattered and really pissed off

  322. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:49 pm

    It may just be a coincidence, but business has picked up markedly since joolya announced the election date.

    She brings certainty and stability, three cheers for our PM.

  323. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:51 pm

    “There was a story on news.com.au this morning that’s now disappeared … you can find bits of it on other web sites …”

    Really …………………….?

    on news.com.au at 12:35pm

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/katter-backs-abbotts-northern-tax-plan/story-e6frfku9-1226572635900

  324. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:53 pm

    And its still on the Oz website in full view as well

  325. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:54 pm

    The shame on the ALP is that actual activists and ALP stalwarts like Warren Mundine have been overlooked for a decade.

    Actual activists? Are you saying Peris hasn’t been? She has never left Darwin, she is an inspiration, positive role model and active participant through her education and community projects. She hasn’t been sitting around doing nothing over the years, she has been engaged and right in there amongst it al.

    Believe me, the ‘real, actual’ aboriginal activists [the ones that ‘the establishment’ find too confronting/provocative], you wouldn’t be able to cope with tomM!

  326. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:56 pm

    I think Mundine was head of an aboriginal native title organisation in NSW, he has been awarded a prize for service to this community, and he’s had a long association with indigenous organisations.

    Mundine is articulate, intelligent and engaging (I’ve had a little to do with him over the years). He was National President of the ALP, and a lifelong member.

    He’s come from very humble beginnings to make become a genuine success, and if the ALP can’t find a place for people like him, but parachute in the likes of Peres (and Carr and Garrett etc), then they have genuinely lost the plot.

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:59 pm

    …in front of the TV to compare his rate of speed over certain periods to the real riders and try an imitate the hill climbs by adjusting the resistance level on his exercise bike.

    It’s all a lot easier now, my sister has one of these:
    http://news.discovery.com/tech/stationary-bike-simulates-le-tour-de-france-110707.htm

  328. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 12:59 pm

    “……….but business has picked up markedly since joolya announced the election date.”

    It’s the sense of relief that was felt when she comforted the entire population by reminding actually setting her own and party’s impending political execution date.

    People now have a firm date to look forward to and many “Goodbye” parties to plan

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:11 pm

    He’s come from very humble beginnings…
    Haven’t they all?

    …I think Mundine was head of an aboriginal native title organisation in NSW, he has been awarded a prize for service to this community, and he’s had a long association with indigenous organisations…

    Does sound good quality, surely we have room for him as well, does he want to be an MP? I can’t see why Labor couldn’t have a policy of advancing aboriginals [as they do for women with emily’s list] and have a certain number of places for aboriginal candidates. After all, we need a better representation of the population than we get now with the current lot of chair warmers.

    I would love to see both Patrick & Mick Dodson as MPs myself.

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:20 pm

    Mundine was to go into the senate vacancy, but Carr decided to make a comeback.

    Mundine has since resigned his membership of the ALP. He says they’re not serious about providing opportunity to their indigenous members.

    ‘Malaise’

  331. February 7, 2013 1:25 pm

    ” feeling that the gay marriage be legalized sooner than later ”
    for what it`s worth hummph, you`re right
    not only because it`s the correct thing to do,
    it is smart politics too.
    lt takes off the embedded media, a club used to beat politicians over the head with, much like Kevin07 did with `sorry`, but the Howard regime was too foolish to recognize.

  332. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:32 pm

    Senator Carr is very silent about his former minister Eddie Obeid.

    Perhaps he’s been out of the country and has not heard about the scurrilous accusations being leveled against Eddie and his family by a very pesky New South Wales ICAC .

    There are accusations that they fraudulently made $100M from inside knowledge passed on by another former Mines Minister Ian McDonald

    Former NSW Premier Morris Iemma, candidate for Federal Seat of Barton, is also being very quiet as well. And Eddie was a very close confidant apparently.

    Very strange.

    Dont they read the papers much ?

  333. February 7, 2013 1:34 pm

    ” retribution for Crossin supporting Rudd ”
    Joolya`s captains `pick` could back-fire
    they hate `southerners in NT and FNQ and if Crossin`s supporters decide to run an independent, my guess is they`d win
    .
    won`t do Mr-Rabbit any good tho yomm

  334. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:37 pm

    LOL

    Who would have thought…………………

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/its-official–money-makes-you-happier-20130207-2dzlz.html

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:44 pm

    I don’t know what the court case will reveal but I feel sure that the craig thomson saga is another of the liberal party targets to be used for political gain. If only the
    Libs were as creative with policy as they are with grubby, sinister dirtbagging of people. I firmly believe that tony abbott has shown himself to be the lowest of them all when it comes to doing ‘whatever it takes’ to destroy his threats and opponents. We saw it with the hanson slush fund and we have seen the same behaviour ever since from him. The man is not worthy of the position he holds now let alone becoming PM. He is like the mafia boss who gets everyone else to do his dirty work so that he can never be connected or convicted of the crimes himself. I think he should be in jail myself, he was a violent thug in his youth and he is still one, unfortunately he has a lot more power and influence now.
    Abbott is a malevolent force for evil and wrongdoing. No wonder he drowns himself in religion, he needs it to cleanse himself.

    Crucifying Craig Thomson

    Too many coincidences and inconsistencies. Why I think Craig #Thomson is innocent. #auspol:
    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kuur04

  336. February 7, 2013 1:46 pm

    “Crucifying Craig Thomson”

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  337. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:48 pm

    Mundine has since resigned his membership of the ALP. He says they’re not serious about providing opportunity to their indigenous members.
    ‘Malaise’

    And the Libs are? They are not even serious about women in the party!They have their token “urban” aboriginal who must find it really hard sitting there and hearing all the racist slurs from the rest of them..

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:55 pm

    True ABC bias [not the liberal party intimidation and faux outrage of any scrutiny]

    Words to flail and words to nail

    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/words-to-flail-and-words-to-nail/

  339. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:55 pm

    And the Libs are?

    Are you serious?? You asked whether Mundine was interested in being an MP, so I explained how he was set to take a senate spot.

    If the ALP can’t even find a place for a former National President, who is also indigenous, who has been active in their community, who is also an intelligent and articulate leader of an indigenous land title organisation…they’ve lost the plot. You might have too if you are unable to comprehend that.

  340. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:59 pm

    Thank Kitty

    Those 2 Links you put up are hilarious

    Could we have a few more…………..?

  341. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:59 pm

    The Thommo links I mean

  342. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 1:59 pm

    Abbott’s northern plan leaked to the Tele.

    Its just a draft and he’s hosed down speculation that there will be a separate tax system in the troppo zone.

    http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/02/06/1226572/178934-tony-abbott-troppo-plan.pdf

  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 2:04 pm

    You might have too if you are unable to comprehend that.

    I can comprehend that there are factional agreements for positions, Carr is from the left, is Mundine? My impression of him is that he is of the right, so why would they expect a left senator to give up his seat for a right faction member when the left is already heavily dominated by the right?

    disclosure: I disagree with Mundine’s advocacy for uranium mining.

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 2:12 pm

    Abbott’s northern plan leaked to the Tele.

    Bet everyone is looking sideways at turnbull right now, the professional leakers and their embedded journos being leaked against, oh the horror and outrage!
    Shut It Down Right Now! 🙂

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 2:23 pm

    Carr replaced Mark Arbib, who was of the right. Mundine was destined for the place.

    I don’t mind Carr and even voted for him a couple of times.

    Mundine is nominally in the right faction, but says this was only because they were the first to invite him to the pub at his fist national conference. Apparently the left had expected him, he says he has no idea why.

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 7, 2013 2:27 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/free-agent/story-e6frg8h6-1226506768441

    …Some thought his links to the union movement placed him on the Left, but in fact when he did become aligned it was to the NSW Right…

    …but in all seriousness, Mundine’s politics were always further Right than Left, which was something that former Labor powerbroker Mark Arbib was quick to spot. “I met Warren when I was President of Young Labor,” says Arbib, who now works for James Packer. “He was on the Dubbo council, so this would have been around 1995. We hit it off instantly…

    …The two men became friends and, in 2000, Arbib and Mundine worked closely to get Labor Party members to participate in the walk for Aboriginal reconciliation across the Sydney Harbour Bridge. “From my perspective, Warren has a big heart and a real social conscience, but he is also quite conservative on many issues…

    NSW right? Arbib? conservative?
    he wouldn’t get my vote, he would be seen as part of the problem of the current ALP malaise.

  347. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 2:39 pm

    ‘Shut It Down Right Now!’

    Not likely, its a useful leak to allow for discussion.

  348. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:05 pm

    “Not likely, its a useful leak to allow for discussion.”

    Exactly Eg

    What is wrong with discussing the idea of providing incentives to get people out of the big cities ?

    The problem with this proposal seems to be the Constitution. However as I have pointed out before Taxation rebates for certain remote areas already exist on a limited scale as per the ITAA. That’s the Income Tax Assessment Act 1997 if you all remember your lesson from yesterday

    Or do we all like living in our dirty overcrowded ghettos.

    There is so much water up North the question is to use it ……….do we bring it to us or do we go to it ?

    Or do we do nothing and watch envious neighbours to our North cast eyes over it ?

    I dont think anyone should be condemned for floating such ideas on either side of politics.

  349. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:18 pm

    ‘What is wrong with discussing the idea of providing incentives to get people out of the big cities ?’

    True.

    It gives the people a chance to talk about the draft plan, which is beneficial in a democracy, especially in an election year.

    I see satellite towns connected by very fast rail, put together by a consortium of Korean, Singaporean, Japan, Malaysia and China.

    Abbott hinted that there will be no forced migration out of the capital cities, in Pol Pot style, he also said they would probably offer tax incentives on a limited scale.

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:25 pm

    Really …………………….? on news.com.au at 12:35pm

    … this is just a “bit” of the original story that carried a link to the “discussion paper” …

    And its still on the Oz website in full view as well No it too is a “bit” …

    EGG, thanks for that its what I was looking for (the link) …

  351. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:32 pm

    I means………. it’s not like we have never created an artificial city filled with useless public servants before…………………………..Canberra

    Besides why have the vast bulk of the Department of Aboriginal Affairs in Canberra when the biggest problems it confronts are in NT, WA, Qld and Northern NSW.

    Why have the vast bulk Defence Department locked away in the nation’s South ?

    Are we expecting a surprise attack by Antarctic penguins perhaps ?

    If they are in the North at least in the event of hostilities we could impede an enemy advance by using the public servants as cannon fodder to delay them.

  352. February 7, 2013 4:39 pm

    “What is wrong with discussing the idea of providing incentives to get people out of the big cities ?”

    Well nothing really…

    Which is why it’s amusing that Tony Abbott’s so upset that people are discussing his “discussion paper..”

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:39 pm

    Here’s the story I saw this morning (S/H)

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/northern-exposure-as-tony-abbott-goes-troppo/story-fndo317g-1226572126324

    BTW , thanks for all your sarc, Wally 🙂 You obviously didn’t read this bit … while some concepts may have merit … from my, original post … again…

  354. February 7, 2013 4:41 pm

    “I means………. it’s not like we have never created an artificial city filled with useless public servants before……………”

    Priceless…!

    You know, when you’re not being an arrogant cnut, you’re actually quite funny!

    And I mean that in the nicest possible way of course…

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:48 pm

    If they are in the North at least in the event of hostilities we could impede an enemy advance by using the public servants as cannon fodder to delay them.

    Or the “enemy” could bomb the shit out of them … rather than have them “scattered” around the country (a continent!) and reduce that risk (I suggest you look up Pearl Harbour, 1942)

    Oh, and stick to accounting …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Which is why it’s amusing that Tony Abbott’s so upset that people are discussing his “discussion paper..”

    Borne out by the last sentence on the discussion paper … 🙄

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 4:57 pm

    I could be corrected 🙂 but I think 5th Battalion RAR is based in Darwin … ??

  357. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 5:22 pm

    We need to defend the north with sophisticated state of the art technology and few foot soldiers…. unless Defence have plans in place for another Brisbane Line.

    I envisage a fleet of drones on constant surveillance.

  358. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 5:38 pm

    “And I mean that in the nicest possible way of course…”

    But of course………………….LOL

  359. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 7, 2013 5:39 pm

    “BTW , thanks for all your sarc, Wally………..”

    Sarcasm ?…………………….Where…………?

  360. Lady Gagagarinskya permalink
    February 7, 2013 5:49 pm

    I envisage a fleet of drones on constant surveillance.

    “You bourgeoisie tremble! You are screwed!”
    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2013/01/ap-russia-says-new-sub-enters-service-011013/

  361. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 6:07 pm

    I envisage a fleet of drones on constant surveillance to keep an eye on leaky boats, not submarines.

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 6:13 pm

    Lady G sounds noice …. welcome 🙂

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 7:20 pm

    I know you don’t get satire, humour, sarcasm, puns nor witticism, Wally but I don’t think its my job to point out YOUR sarc … to YOU ???????????

    Really …………………….? on news.com.au at 12:35pm

    Beancounters … Closed Process to Amusement (CPA) or in Wally’s case Controlled Pleasure (CP) …

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 7:45 pm

    The Bowlers Run’s out … *clink* 😛

  365. February 7, 2013 8:01 pm

    *clink * TB… 🙂

  366. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 7, 2013 8:14 pm

    How many fucking times do I have to point out I’m a CA not a pathetic CPA.

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 8:25 pm

    Oh, Catholic not Amused … apologies, Wally … beancounting accounting is so complex for us plebs …

    *clink* anyway … be careful you don’t spill it on your bib …or white tie … 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    *clink* sreb … 🙂

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2013 8:26 pm

    Version !!

    Oh, Catholic not Amused … apologies, Wally … beancounting accounting is so complex for us plebs …

    *clink* anyway … be careful you don’t spill it on your bib …or white tie …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    *clink* sreb …

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 9:11 pm

    Bowlers Run isn’t a drink that you should admit imbibing.

  370. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 7, 2013 9:17 pm

    “Bowlers Run isn’t a drink that you should admit imbibing.”

    Agreed

    Best decantered at all times.

    At its very best when decantered into a milk crate.

  371. February 7, 2013 10:01 pm

    just watching GASLAND doco on sbs2 for about the 3rd time. Josh Fox tells the story of how a so-called democracy consisting of a teabag party and a teabag-lite party, get away with poisoning its own citizens. Coming soon to a so-called democracy near you.

  372. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2013 10:05 pm

    I was at a function recently involving some people who think wine should taste like a raspberry cordial and vinegar cocktail. They offered a Bowlers Run shiraz and the more upmarket Whispers (oddly named for such a downmarket drop).

    Someone commented that both ripped the phlegm off the back of your throat. I suppose that’s useful.

  373. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 10:14 pm

    ‘I suppose that’s useful.’

    For domestic duties, scrubbing and cleaning perhaps, but it sounds like it might be injurious to health when swallowed.

  374. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 8, 2013 12:58 am

    Tropical tax zone plan destined to be a grand failure:

    Don’t worry, the federal Coalition’s dream of moving a lot of Australia’s population north of the Tropic of Capricorn ain’t gonna happen. It’s a crazy idea practically, politically and economically.
    Presumably, it’s a kite Tony Abbott is allowing to fly for a day or two to show how positive he is in his vision of our future. It’s an idea some in the National Party would dearly love, but most in the Liberal Party will be appalled by…

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/tropical-tax-zone-plan-destined-to-be-a-grand-failure-20130207-2e03z.html#ixzz2KDmxLMKb

  375. February 8, 2013 1:16 am

    l`m just chalking that up to another teabag stunt, the Howard regime was not a Visioned Nation Builder, the leftovers are still there in a `supposed` Mr-Rabbit regime, which won`t materialize anyhoo
    .
    just embedded media screeching

  376. February 8, 2013 1:23 am

    armchair, with stronger and more cyclone`s predicted due to global warming, in the tropical zone
    north of the Tropic of Capricorn ain’t gonna happen. It’s a crazy idea practically, politically and economically

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 8, 2013 2:02 am

    …It would win the Nationals a few votes in parts of northern Australia where they don’t need them, but lose the Liberals a lot of votes in the rest of the country. It would give Labor huge scope for scaremongering.
    It would not just give a few northern Australians big tax breaks the rest of us didn’t get, the rest of us would have to pay more to cover the cost of the scheme and endure infrastructure spending being diverted from where it was sorely needed to where it wasn’t.
    It would be the party of choice and free enterprise engaged in a massive exercise in social engineering…
    😆

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/tropical-tax-zone-plan-destined-to-be-a-grand-failure-20130207-2e03z.html#ixzz2KDtPBClA

    Now where have I seen it all before? Oh yeah:

    ANDEV

    What needs to be done?
    http://www.andev-project.org/about-us/whats-needed/

    Why Develop The North?

    …These opportunities don’t just exist in the mining and resources sector, but in agriculture, medicine, education, tourism, communications and across the full spectrum of human activity…

    mining – tick
    resources – tick
    agriculture – tick
    medicine – tick
    education – tick
    tourism – tick
    communications – tick
    and everything else – tick

    Tony’s doing Gina’s shopping, well I can understand, she is a busy woman and needs a gofer, guess Barnaby Joyce and Julie Bishop have repaid their favour.

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/gina-rinehart-flew-mps-to-india-for-lavish-wedding-20110616-1g5zf.html

  378. February 8, 2013 2:39 am

    for those wondering why l don`t swallow the bullshit of Noise-Polls or Mr-Rabbit will win,

    here is an excellent explainer of how bullshit our embedded media is and then you can understand what l rant about
    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/how-did-i-go-from-being-outdated-medias-biggest-fanboi-to-a-consumer-openly-advocating-against-a-medias-vile-product/

    teabags need not bother, this is beyond teabags ability`s

  379. February 8, 2013 2:59 am

    ” Never will I return to that squalid mess ”
    unless Mr-Rabbit cuts ya dole cheque

  380. February 8, 2013 5:24 am

    http://mike-stuchbery.com/2013/02/06/charlatans-classrooms/
    mike is a teacher,
    organizations such as Access Ministries and Scripture Union, attaching themselves leech-like, to public school systems across the country. From Queensland to Victoria
    Joolya has kept groveling here too,
    not much difference from Howard regime

  381. February 8, 2013 5:47 am

    not to be left-out,
    something for the teabags
    http://mike-stuchbery.com/2013/02/07/lets-play-bolt-bingo/

  382. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 6:50 am

    The ANDEV idea is going to require overseas investment capital and Tabot is happy to fly this kite until the money turns up.

  383. February 8, 2013 6:53 am

    mr-Lefty picked up on Joolya`s `feminista` bullshit too
    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/a-triumphdefeat/

  384. February 8, 2013 7:02 am

    ” happy to fly this kite until ”
    the votes are counted on sep-14 and will
    continue kite flying, vest wearing and other stunts until then.
    After sep-14 he do as he did after 2010 and believe
    that it is only an `accounting-error` and really the public
    want to return to workchoice and that
    global warming is crap!

  385. February 8, 2013 7:17 am

    ” ANDEV idea is going to require overseas investment ”
    Yes, it looks like a rent-seeking outfit,
    .
    too bad teabags don`t realize that if all aussies could earn enough to set aside some capital to invest, we wouldn`t need rent-seeking foreign investors to take away the lions share of project profits

  386. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 8:44 am

    Foreign investors are necessary to get the show on the road.

  387. February 8, 2013 8:58 am

    ” Foreign investors are necessary ”
    keep mindlessly chanting the teabag lines,
    you will only realize your error once your dole cheque is taken
    (teaparties only believe in corporate welfare)

  388. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:05 am

    Just when I thought the Gillard Government had well and truly f**ked up everything I could think of they turn their towards Australian Sport and proceed to carry out an indiscriminate mass hatchet job on every aspect of Australian Sport with basically no details and not a single party named.

    This disgraceful report is just filled with “maybes”……….”perhaps” and “possibles”.

    Now every sporting achievement for the last 10 years or so from the Olympics to World Cups to NRL and AFL premierships etc is now tainted with doubt because of this group of Leftie fuckwits in Government desperate to get Thomson, Rudd and Eddie Obeid off the front page.

  389. February 8, 2013 9:17 am

    WTF has
    ” mass hatchet job on every aspect of Australian Sport “
    nrl, soccer, afl got to do with Mr-Rabbit or Joolya.?

  390. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:18 am

    ‘BUSINESS leaders have demanded the government stop tinkering with the superannuation regime and warned that constant electioneering is undermining business confidence and consumer sentiment.

    ‘In an exclusive and wide-ranging roundtable with The Australian yesterday, the board of the Business Council of Australia warned that the push to cut superannuation tax breaks for top earners was damaging to a compulsory savings system that was crucial to dealing with the costs of an ageing population.’

    Hepworth and Kitney in the Oz

  391. February 8, 2013 9:36 am

    The BCA board is concerned that the political class has moved into “permanent campaign” mode, which Westpac chief executive Gail Kelly warned was contributing to recent low levels of confidence.
    http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/stop-tinkering-with-super-says-business-council-of-australia/story-e6frg12c-1226573057536
    .
    yes gordo, another rent-seeking pap from teabag media

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:43 am

    So Swan has broken yet another promise, this time it’s his commitment to provide details to the revenue from the MRRT each month.

    Swan is an incompetent nincompoop. He has every characteristic to be loathed in a politician, a hack, bombastic, a proven bullsh!tter, disloyal, duplicitous, a time server, dumb, inept.

    He’s Our Deputy Prime Minister – stand tall Australia!

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 10:41 am

    mr-Lefty picked up on Joolya`s `feminista` bullshit too

    I thoroughly enjoyed the EDITs … I thought it was just me found it offensive, for a while …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … they turn their towards Australian Sport and proceed to carry out an indiscriminate mass hatchet job on every aspect of Australian Sport with basically no details and not a single party named.

    I agree, Wally, after all, corruption of sport is part of the Über Kapitalist process … personally I preferred it when we just had capitalism …

    =====================================

    He’s Our Deputy Prime Minister – stand tall Australia!

    Too much lamb on Ostraya Day, ToM, you sound like that Wanker™ Kekovich … wasn’t he tied up with sport?

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 11:49 am

    Closer to home, the signatures of Prime Minister Julia Gillard and her predecessor Kevin Rudd are both reasonably compact.

    The man with his eyes on the prize, Tony Abbott, has a bit of an issue with a letter “T” which just doesn’t know when to quit.

    Just sayin’.

    http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/big-signatures-a-sure-sign-your-boss-is-an-egomaniac/story-e6frfm9r-1226573206269

    “Just sayin’ …” !? Does, Anthony Sharwood, read TDT????

  395. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 8, 2013 12:40 pm

    Just sayin’.
    heh, we didn’t need a sig to tell us that!

    WTF has
    ” mass hatchet job on every aspect of Australian Sport “
    nrl, soccer, afl got to do with Mr-Rabbit or Joolya.?

    Because they just wreck everything with all this nosing around! We don’t expose stuff in this country, it will ruin the economy and the betting industry. We prefer the toothless tiger approach of an investigative body that is not funded to do anything but have an office. Everyone knows our athletes and gym junkies are superhuman beings who need nothing more than some weet-bix and a sniff of vegemite to smash their opponents.

    20 years ago a pathologist friend of mine went to jail for ‘manufacturing’ in his lab. My tradie son is a bit of a gym junkie and I can tell you he is a walking pharmacopoeia on supplements, chemicals, body building, diet etc 🙄

    All these lance armstrong defences of “never had a positive drug test” don’t mean a thing, because where they are at with this stuff is too advanced for the testing [as was armstrong in his day].

    the Business Council of Australia warned that the push to cut superannuation tax breaks for top earners was damaging to a compulsory savings system that was crucial to dealing with the costs of an ageing population.’

    yeah, the wealthy having huge advantages courtesy of the taxpayer [wonder why the govt doesn’t get enough revenue?] so that they can fund their lifestyle and private choices without any sacrifices when they retire, no medicare and waiting list for them. I wish my poor pensioner parents could have had some of that. The boomers sure do look after themselves [at the expense of everyone else].

  396. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 1:11 pm

    The boomers sure do look after themselves [at the expense of everyone else].

    Some, BBs, KL, some … most won’t have much on retirement at all.

    And ’tis not the BB gen that are tight and selfish … 22 yo next door lives and WORKS at home (he does go to uni now tho)… $50 rent!!! His 18 yo bro … no rent and part time/casual … sleeps til midday … I know he’s awake whe he literally hits the drum kit … 😉

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 1:12 pm

    Correction!

    And ’tis not ONLY the BB gen that are tight and selfish

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 1:28 pm

    KL, you might find this article interesting – haven’t checked the comments yet …

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/01/baby-boomers-unprepared-for-retirement/

  399. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 8, 2013 2:00 pm

    Thanks for link TB, I’ll have a look. I probably seem a bit harsh on the BBs, I am talking about the well-off ones, not those who haven’t had the chance to make much money in life and still can’t. There has been a big push for BB to sock away as much as they can because of the tax advantage. They are told to put in large sums or even most of their wage, I don’t think that it’s people who are still supporting adult kids or still paying off their homes, they are people who are well established and have few commitments on their current wage. But, it is $ coming from the taxpayer to fund private wealth.

    I’ve been there myself with the kids [and their partners] living at home to save for their own house.

    here is an excellent explainer of how bullshit our embedded media is and then you can understand what l rant about

    Agree totally

    mr-Lefty picked up on Joolya`s `feminista` bullshit too
    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/a-triumphdefeat/

    My thoughts are more aligned with everyday keri [mr lefty’s wife]

    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/a-triumphdefeat/#comment-31376

    …Someone needed to stand up long ago. Julia cracked, and as a result, a lot of women actually felt like someone was defending them. Do you think every woman in Australia doesn’t cop the same kind of thing Julia does? We do. And it is heartening to see someone draw the line and say “enough”…
    ,,,It might not be important to you, but it IS important to 55% of the country who do NOT get the representation we deserve, and who know that every sexist attack against our PM could just as easily be levelled at them for no other reason than we don’t have a penis. But you know what’s telling? The fact that every person who’s saying it doesn’t matter is a white, middle-aged male.

    *note splatter in there with his usual one-eyed discombobulated rants!

  400. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 8, 2013 2:51 pm

    A lawyer’s opinion on journalists not smart enough or interested enough in doing their job:

    http://boeufblogginon.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/ashby-v-slipper-apeal-the-first-round/

    …To my very best new friends in the MSM: Today wasn’t exactly rocket science, and it helps to prepare and listen to what is being said in court instead of chatting, even if it is about the case. I don’t even want to think about what is not being taught in journalism degrees…

    …The focus of the Ashby-Slipper story will change as this appeal proceeds. It isn’t about Ashby anymore or, for that matter, Slipper. Well, maybe a bit. But they are now playing second fiddle to Michael Harmer. Make no mistake Harmer is now driving this engine. That is the story in my view. Appeals will be lodged all the way if necessary because at stake is Harmer’s professional reputation and career. If I was occupying Harmer’s shoes I would be doing the same…

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 4:08 pm

    I probably seem a bit harsh on the BBs, I am talking about the well-off ones, not those who haven’t had the chance to make much money in life and still can’t.

    You probably are … and there isn’t many “well-off ones” … and chances are generally made, not offerred …

    Why the BBs are crucified defies logic … most of them were born after a WORLD WAR 2 … many without fathers ’cause they had been killed … many of us grew up with our parents struggling to find work (yep, work!) (five years of war didn’t really develop many skille except military types … one of the reasons many parents of BBs emigrated from Europe to Australia, Canada and NZ …

    … the sixties were a break-out time for the BBs and anyone who wasn’t there doesn’t understand why and can’t (even I don’t really know…)

    … and there is a lot of BS written about the BBs … our parents were pretty strict … far more than parents of today … imagine what Gen X and the NOW gens are going to be like as adults …

    … in fact the generations coming after BBs are far more selfish … its a “me” society … I remember ration cards and not much food (till Australia – 1961) and I was born in 47 …

    … even for us life was good but tough … as a n example we couldn’t afford to buy our kids a bag of hot chips … The Minister used to make her own and wrap them in newspaper and we’d take them both down to the seafront … took us three years to get enough for a deposit on a home (the secret to “making it” is to buy a home – as compared to a house – and OWN it – the world is then your oyster) …

    The reason I told you all that … I’m reasonable well off as a BB (in the top 90%) but Im the exception … most of the “rich” folk I know are Gen Y … and the ones with umpteen houses don’t actually own them the bank does and soemone told them that renters would pay the mortgages off for them … instead of whinging about BBs look at the other generations … the BB Myth is just that … in fact its more than a myth its an excuse for other generations to blame their parents ’cause they won’t get off their arses …

  402. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 8, 2013 5:37 pm

    … even for us life was good but tough …

    Me too! With the leveling off of property prices, I’m thinking of going into debt for the first time in over a decade and upgrading our modest holiday shack!

  403. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 5:47 pm

    Latest betting.

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 6:21 pm

    … for the first time in over a decade and upgrading our modest holiday shack!

    I rest my case …

  405. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    February 8, 2013 8:27 pm

    When will channel 9 wheel out Bert Newton again to do the Top 20 most pathetic moments of the Gillard government.

    They could devote an entire series to Wayne swan himself.

  406. February 8, 2013 9:56 pm

    Rostrum is continued here…

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/rostrum-ii-son-of-rostrum/

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