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New Poll Spells Certain Election Annihilation for Julia Giddard!

February 18, 2013

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Tony Abbott is now the preferred prime minister over Julia Gillard for the first time in seven months, according to the Nielsen poll published in Fairfax newspapers today.

Mr Abbott’s approval rating has jumped nine points to 49 per cent, while Ms Gillard’s has dropped five points to 45 per cent.

The primary vote shows the Coalition at 47 per cent, the highest level it has been since just after the carbon tax was introduced in 2012.

Labor’s approval rating dipped to 30 per cent, five points lower than the last survey in December and only four points higher than its lowest recorded level.

On a two-party preferred basis, the Coalition has enjoyed a swing and now leads the Government 55-45.

Labor leadership rumblings are likely to continue despite Kevin Rudd repeatedly denying he wants the job.

The national poll of 1,400 voters found the gap between Ms Gillard and former prime minister Kevin Rudd has also grown, with Mr Rudd favoured by 61 per cent of respondents to just 35 per cent for her.

 

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  1. el gordo permalink
    February 18, 2013 7:31 am

    I don’t care if Rudd is reluctant, for the sake of the party he must become PM by Easter.

  2. el gordo permalink
    February 18, 2013 7:55 am

    Its unlikely Rudd can win the election, but it might reduce the carnage.

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2013 8:44 am

    Rudd would probably win an election.

    Put him in, and give him a month of making a few announcements. Then call an election.

    During the election campaign he’d be photographed being mobbed in shopping centres. Then a couple of debates with Abbott, Abbott stumbling, Rudd in his articulate, friendly mode. Rudd appealing to exactly the same emotions he plugged into so effectively in 2007, he’d look like the honest fresh politician. Abbott would look more like the remnants of Howard.

    Once a few backbenchers visualise the possibility of saving their careers, there might be a stampede.

  4. el gordo permalink
    February 18, 2013 9:08 am

    Still, if they don’t change policy they won’t get in.

  5. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 18, 2013 10:26 am

    Rudd cant save them.

    And following from this disaster of a Poll even if he wanted the PM’ship back he’d have to have his own doubts about electoral victory. There’s not enough time and there is nothing left in the Treasury coffers to promise.

    Gillard and Swan have squandered everything

  6. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 18, 2013 10:30 am

    Jokes doing the rounds in England at the moment

    *****************************************************************

    I went out for dinner last night. The waiter asked me what would I like on my steak
    I told him 5 pounds each way thanks

    *****************************************************************
    My doctor said I needed to watch what I eat.
    So I went to Royal Ascot for Race 1

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2013 12:09 pm

    Jokes doing the rounds in England at the moment

    Someone told you they were jokes, didn’t they, Wally?

  8. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 18, 2013 12:14 pm

    Where’s 730 today to talk about these Polls ?

    And where is TomR to talk about all this unbased media speculation about the ALP leadership ?

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2013 1:59 pm

    Communications Minister Stephen Conroy told reporters in Tasmania that there was ”a lot of careless chatter going on” last week within Labor ranks.
    This included ”muttering in corners” and backgrounding journalists.
    ”If you’re self-indulgent, the Australian people will mark you down,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/poll-a-wakeup-call-for-labor-20130218-2elwl.html#ixzz2LDIPZ1tO

    The polls are doing exactly what Conroy suggests, that when politicians background journalists, and journalists report this, the public “mark down” the government.

    It’s a simple solution…offload Gillard, install Rudd, go to a winnable election and take 3 years to turn the ALP into a decent progressive party, that isn’t controlled by union hacks and factional warlords.

  10. February 18, 2013 2:58 pm

    “It’s a simple solution…offload Gillard, install Rudd, go to a winnable election and take 3 years to turn the ALP into a decent progressive party, that isn’t controlled by union hacks and factional warlords.”

    Agreed…!

  11. February 18, 2013 2:59 pm

    I’ve been reading Catching Up’s comments over at AIMN…

    Sometimes it’s hard to know whether she’s taking the piss or not, but it is entertaining… 🙂

  12. February 18, 2013 3:33 pm

    Giddy Giddard…Love your work Reb! She’s sinking into a hole of her own making and Kev hasn’t looked happier in a long time!

  13. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    “Sometimes it’s hard to know whether she’s taking the piss or not, but it is entertaining…”

    Yes……………..same here. Some of them over there are rational Lefties (very few) but the majority others live in a different universe.

    It’s hilarious !

  14. February 18, 2013 3:57 pm

    “Love your work Reb”

    Why thank you Treeman and welcome.. 🙂

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2013 4:46 pm

    Loved this:

    Paul Howes: ‘’I regret that I was one of the people that used to engage in this constant useless chatter on various opinion and chat shows around the country. I am sick of it, I am not doing it any more.’’ He said this on a chat show.

  16. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 18, 2013 4:55 pm

    “I regret that I was one of the people that used to engage in this constant useless chatter on various opinion and chat shows around the country….”

    LOL

    That means he was a party to baseless media speculation

  17. February 18, 2013 5:25 pm

    “I regret that I was one of the people…”

    LOL!! 🙂 They’re already conceding defeat….

  18. el gordo permalink
    February 18, 2013 5:37 pm

    ‘It’s a simple solution…offload Gillard, install Rudd…’

    Wish life was that simple, this is not a celeb fest, the electorate want solid policy platforms before they decide how to cast their vote.

    Rudd says he’s sorry that his ETS didn’t get a run, which in my mind disqualifies him.

    Is there a seconder for Gary Gray?

  19. February 18, 2013 6:10 pm

    “Is there a seconder for Gary Gray?”

    He must have potential, the unions did try to oust him!

  20. el gordo permalink
    February 18, 2013 6:12 pm

    Gary will lose his seat unless something drastic is done.

  21. toiletdelingpolemicistofrightardmemes permalink
    February 18, 2013 6:13 pm

    Sadly, I think CU may be deadly serious…in a feverish, my Party-right-or-wrong kinda way.

    I wish you’d not made me look. It grates.

  22. toiletdelingpolemicistofrightardmemes permalink
    February 18, 2013 6:14 pm

    Treeman seems nice. 😯

  23. toiletdelingpolemicistofrightardmemes permalink
    February 18, 2013 6:18 pm

    I hate to say it, I really do. Not out of some misplaced devotion to the ALP (which I absolutely do not harbour)…but out of not wanting to see an electoral decimation which tips our (usually moderate) democracy too far the other way. But…the ALP has bound its own claws, gagged its slippery mouthparts, laid down & viirtually cut its own throat.

    The only thing left is the hope that the other ‘orrible lot aren’t gifted too much unfettered power. But, alas…I think we’re fucked; so to speak.

    It’s all cyclical, but skewing too far one way isn’t healthy for joe sixpack.

  24. el gordo permalink
    February 18, 2013 7:12 pm

    Looking at the bright side, after losing the election they might reform and cut their ties with the unions. Shoe horning these ratbags into power has got to stop.

    And I hope they break with the Greens, this marriage of convenience is over.

  25. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 19, 2013 1:04 pm

    The Julia Lovers at a few other places reckon the latest poll was bad because

    a) It’s the Media’s fault…………………..Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

    b) It’s Rudd’s fault

    c) Whose ever fault it is its just not fair anyway ………………..that’s from the chief Comedian at one site

    d) The sample of 1000 people was too small to get an accurate poll

  26. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 1:09 pm

    The snipping machine is out again at AIMN … extraordinary.

  27. February 19, 2013 1:17 pm

    Indeed it is. It’s snipping out your bullshit.

  28. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 1:24 pm

    All I said is that I agree with ToM and CU is out of her depth. Under blog rules this is not an offence.

    While yer there, why don’t you let Treeman have a guest post?

  29. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 1:41 pm

    Actually, I said it was sexist referring to me as a woman when she knows I’m a man.

  30. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 19, 2013 1:54 pm

    I see Paul Howes resurrected the old “its not a Carbon Tax ……….it’s a Carbon Price” debate again last night.

    That’ll help cement the Left in the eyes of the Public as just being outright deceptive in the lead up to the election.

    Does the Public have to consult a dictionary everytime Gillard makes a promise yet again.

    Keep it up Paul………………..not that the LNP really needs your help.

  31. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 19, 2013 2:41 pm

    I hate to say it, I really do. Not out of some misplaced devotion to the ALP (which I absolutely do not harbour)…but out of not wanting to see an electoral decimation which tips our (usually moderate) democracy too far the other way. But…the ALP has bound its own claws, gagged its slippery mouthparts, laid down & viirtually cut its own throat.

    I AGREE!! And I hate to point it out but when Rudd got knifed, as he should have, I did say that the ALP were on a path to such destruction that it really was about saving the furniture. They should have gone with Crean at that point. Sure, he’s not popular but at least the electorate largely respects him and he has respect for democracy.

    Like Latham before her, those that installed Gillard (and Swan and Rudd for that matter) knew bloody well their histories and their idiosyncracies. There were those on the Conservative side that said when Rudd was elected that it was simply a matter of tme before Gillard knifed him. I thought that was a stretch but I was wrong.

    Tanner, Beazley, Crean, it’s not as though Labor haven’t had people at least worthy of respect who could lead. I might not agree with their politics but I do at least believe they have the nation’s interests at heart. Instead we’ve had Rudd, Gillard and Swan. They give a fck about nothing but their own power.

    And they don’t even fkn pretend. Only a few days ago we had Shorten up talking about bullying. Then today we have a photo of Gillard with Bill Ludwig in a display of triumph. Is there a bigger bully in the country than fkn Bill Ludwig? Is there a bigger example of a “faceless man”? Makes me want to fkn puke.

    And I even get the concern about Abbott. I don’t agree with it but I understand it. But at least he’ll be on some form of democratic leash. If he’s not, the Coalition will go the same way and we’ll have a parliament full of Indies, which at the very least will give us a lot to talk about.

  32. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 3:31 pm

    ‘Instead we’ve had Rudd, Gillard and Swan. They give a fck about nothing but their own power.’

    I agree entirely, that’s why I’m spruking for a new generation on the front bench after Easter… its the only way to save the party.

  33. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 19, 2013 3:38 pm

    Nice boat Sancty

    Oh and congrats with the new kiddie

  34. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 19, 2013 3:48 pm

    “The only thing left is the hope that the other ‘orrible lot aren’t gifted too much unfettered power.”

    The half Senate election cannot be held before the end of July. Therefore if the HoR election occurs before that i.e. Rudd goes early and loses then Abbott will be stuck with the same Senate we have now. Personally I think Rudd would go in November if the ALP lets him. Therefore anything is possible with the Senate

    Imagine how much shit will be flying about once Rudd gets back. Gillard and Swan will white ant and leak at every opportunity.

    Then we’ll have the LNP adverts of ex ALP ministers calling Rudd a psychopath

    More fun in store……………………Don’t change channels

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2013 4:46 pm

    All it needs is for a LibNit to nick a car or raid a bank or somefing … and the polls will hurtlr the other way!

    Parliament is just full of fkn drones … both chambers …

    BTW, egg, the Greens have split with Labor …

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/christine-milne-says-labor-has-walked-away-from-agreement-with-greens/story-fncynkc6-1226581081454

  36. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 4:58 pm

    Fantastic news TB!

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2013 5:03 pm

    And why is that, egg?

  38. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 5:10 pm

    The Greens seemed harmless enough, but they are full of radical ideas which the electorate is not happy with.

    Anyway, the watermelons don’t want to be tied to a rotting carcass going into an election.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 19, 2013 5:18 pm

    Now just move to Kev, call an election, win an unwinnable election, use authority to reform party.

    It’s all quite simple, and only requies the ALP MPs to act in thier own interests.

  40. el gordo permalink
    February 19, 2013 5:29 pm

    Gary Gray for PM

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2013 5:29 pm

    sometimes I wonder why I post here with so much political nouse on display … everthing is so simple … even Tony Abbott is simple …

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 19, 2013 7:17 pm

    The ABC news leads with a story about Gillard losing support!

    Go Kev! Get square with the union hacks, faceless men, and power brokers!!

  43. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 19, 2013 7:34 pm

    Thanks for all the wishes. She’s a lovely boat, I mean, kid…….

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:35 am

    Well, I’m just having breakfast at the local cafe and the bloke serving wants to talk about Gillard/Rudd.

    He says – ‘I liked Rudd 5 years ago, I’d vote for him again. I don’t like Gillard, she’s told too many lies.’

    I think that nails it for me!

  45. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:41 am

    The editorial in the Oz is hinting there might be someone else besides joolya and kev to lead the party away from total destruction.

    They mention Shorten … but that won’t wash with me.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:10 am

    Shorten should be attracted to a leadership change- to Rudd, with him as deputy and treasurer.

    An election win would see him in a very strong position.

    A respectable loss would see him take over as opposition leader, with enough representation to mount a genuine challenge in the 2016 election.

    Sticking with Gillard will also see Shorten as opposition leader in 7 months, but with far fewer MPs.

    It’s in Shorten’s personal interest to switch to Rudd. It’s only pride that’s in the way.

  47. February 20, 2013 8:18 am

    Even the Greens don’t want to have anything to do with Labor anymore…

    Everyone’s fleeing the sinking ship!

    And then Tony Burke’s on the telly saying that The Greens parting ways with Labor “is political…”

    Well of course it’s fucking political. They’re political parties FFS….!

    Honestly, is the guy a moron or what….?

  48. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:51 am

    The seperation with the Greens would have been agreed upon by both of them weeks ago. It looks better for both electorally.

    Nothing is what it seems on the surface with this government and that lying grub of a PM

    Besides what else was Milne going to take to the National Press Club yesterday ?

  49. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 9:53 am

    From Today’s Oz

    ********************************************************************

    Swing suggests up to two dozen Labor MPs will lose seats

    by: Christian Kerr
    From: The Australian
    February 20, 2013 12:00AM

    LABOR risks losing its next generation of leaders and some of its wiliest veterans as perilous polling points to a massacre at the next election.

    Newspoll puts the ALP’s two-party-preferred vote at 44 per cent, down six points on the 2010 results.

    A uniform swing of this size would see Wayne Swan and as many as two dozen other Labor MPs lose their seats.

    Trade Minister Craig Emerson would lose his Brisbane electorate, as would Peter Garrett in Sydney, Stephen Smith in Perth, one-time ALP national secretary Gary Gray south of the city, Warren Snowdon in the Northern Territory and southern NSW MP Mike Kelly.

    Such a swing would also end the parliamentary careers of rising stars Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury and freshly minted parliamentary secretary Melissa Parke.

    Former caucus chairman Daryl Melham would also lose his Sydney seat.

    A uniform swing of this size would cost Labor 25 seats nation-wide. But double-digit swings against the party in internal polling of the Sydney suburbs show a whole generation of potential future leaders and high-profile members of the NSW Right could also be defeated, adding to the toll of talent.

    Ministers Chris Bowen, Tony Burke and Jason Clare are all at risk. So is another rising NSW star, Ed Husic.

    NSW members Michelle Rowland, Deborah O’Neil, John Murphy, Laurie Ferguson, Chris Hayes and Julie Owens would also be under threat.

    Suspended Labor member Craig Thomson could lose his NSW central coast seat of Dobell.

    Barton, being vacated by former attorney-general Robert McClelland, is also vulnerable.

    Veteran electoral analyst Malcolm Mackerras noted that the lack of a Liberal Party infrastructure in many of these electorates could aid the ALP.

    But he added that this had not counted against the Coalition at last year’s NSW local government elections, where the Liberals even won positions in blue-collar strongholds such as Wollongong.

    Labor looks likely to win back the seat of Melbourne from the Greens, but a swing of 6 per cent would see it lose the Victorian seats of Corangamite, La Trobe, and Deakin. At least two Tasmanian seats, Bass and Braddon, are under threat and there is speculation at least one more, Lyons, could fall.

    A string of Queensland MPs would also be vulnerable with a 6 per cent swing, including Bernie Ripoll, Shayne Neuman and Yvette D’Ath.

    Another Labor seat, Capricornia, being vacated by Kirsten Livermore, looks likely to fall to the LNP, although Katter’s Australia Party preferences will be a wild card.

    A defeat of the magnitude would rewrite the political science textbooks.

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    I’d say they’re fucked !

  50. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 9:58 am

    Again from the Oz
    *******************************************************************************************
    JULIA Gillard and Wayne Swan are being pressured and implored to explain how they intend to solve Labor’s dire position only seven months from the election – apart from blaming Kevin Rudd.

    Bill Shorten – the crucial factional and union pivot for any change in the leadership team – is likewise facing internal demands to take action, any action, in the long-term interests of the Labor Party.

    While all the expectations of “doing something” have been about Rudd launching a challenge around the politically dramatic ides of March, the onus has turned back on the Prime Minister, her deputy and Treasurer and the Workplace Relations Minister to “do something”.

    Labor MPs, frontbenchers and backbenchers, are despairing and despondent. They want something to happen as soon as possible to get them back “on the front foot”, to restore stability and reverse the loss of momentum.
    Digital Pass $1 for first 28 Days

    A year ago, Rudd was preparing a March offensive on the leadership. It ended disastrously.

    He’s not doing that now and his supporters vow and declare “we can wait until June” and let Gillard and Swan truly “own” the debacle of the mining tax and burden of the budget deficit.

    Rudd is not “counting the numbers” because he doesn’t have to while there is an inexorable shift to him through a sense of survival and loss of faith in Gillard and Swan.

    In the meantime, Gillard and Swan have to consider what they can do to provide a political circuit-breaker and correct the polls, which so many ministers publicly concede are a disaster.

    Gillard’s basic position is to “govern through” this latest slump in polling and morale in partnership with Swan, hoping the polls improve and she can put pressure on Tony Abbott.

    Given Gillard is losing ground to the Opposition Leader as preferred prime minister, a wait-and-see option is untenable as Labor slips into panic.

    Another option is for Swan to resign as Treasurer, try to take the odium of the mining tax failure and budget deficit with him and put Shorten as a fresh face in Treasury. This can happen only on Swan’s initiative and seems unlikely.

    Shorten could go along with a shift to treasurer and work with Gillard through to the election or just cut the Gordian knot and opt for Rudd.

    The one certainty is that the uncertainty will continue.

    ***********************************************************************************************

    So will Labor begin to negotiate with a “Terrorist” ?

    His name being Rudd

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2013 10:14 am

    The public don’t listen to Gillard, they don’t trust her, they believe she is dishonest. The public show good judgment.

    Gillard was installed by union hacks and power brokers, the very same ones she is now relying on for her continued occupancy of the Lodge.

    Paul Howes intends to mount a campaign for her, that’s great, he’s the most “in your face” of the faceless men. As if the public need reminding of his grubby and underhanded tactics.

    Visibility of Howes = win for Abbott. Someone should tell Howes to keep his mouth shut – though he’ll be in parliament in within 5 or 6 years.

    It’s time to offload Gillard, and do some heavy duty restricting of the ALP.

  52. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 11:00 am

    Honestly, is the guy a moron or what….?

    reb, are you aware of the context in which Burke made that statement?

    Maybe the moron was elsewhere?

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 11:06 am

    he’s the most “in your face” of the faceless men.

    Oh, the irony 😆

  54. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 20, 2013 11:30 am

    An anonymous Twitter entity, who just so happens to get a lot right, suggests Rudd was heard to say “I won’t be back, they left it too late. They did it to themselves. I gave them the chance. They thought I was bad, she proved a lot worse. Of course this is all off the record.”

  55. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:10 pm

    An anonymous Twitter entity

    Does he go snorkeling?

  56. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:15 pm

    It must be the company he keeps as TomR’s posts seem to be taking on the same characteristics as those of Catching Up.

    No real point to them.

    In fact full of nothing much in particular at all

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:21 pm

    The polls remain stubbornly low for Gillard. She and Swan look more out of their depth by the day, and it won’t get any better for them. There’s too much baggage and too many more inconvenient questions for them to answer. Their only hope is for a serious stumble by Abbott, and that isn’t any political recovery strategy. That’s just hoping for something.

    Rudd will give the ALP a decent chance, there will be a range of backbenchers, and frontbenchers, who enjoy being MPs – they should because they aren’t skilled for anything else.

    Once the dismal future with Gillard sinks in, with the “humble pie” option being a return to Rudd, I think income and survival will make the taste of humble pie quite appealing.

    (my poll at breakfast today confirms that Rudd will win at least 2 extra votes in Melbourne!!)

  58. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:22 pm

    No real point to them.

    Trying to keep with the theme of the site 😉

  59. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:37 pm

    Does he go snorkeling?

    I wouldn’t know. SHE is anonymous.

    Interesting you raise that though. Those reefs of yours dead yet? CO2 emmissions are still heading North. Surely those pesky reefs should have turned up their toes by now. It’s got to be another 3 years since I mentioned that the reefs weren’t dying.

    Here’s a video for you, TomR. It’s kind of my point but in reverse.

  60. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:50 pm

    SHE is anonymous.

    ROFL 😯

  61. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 12:55 pm

    Those reefs of yours dead yet?

    You really can’t wait for it, can you? Sorry, a few decades to go yet, assuming we don’t change our ways. Sorry to say though, that, since the introduction of the Carbon Price, our countries emissions have actually gone down (hunt disagrees, he must be using hockeys calculator), so it might just be that they won’t.

    I’m optimistic at the moment 😉

  62. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 1:23 pm

    “…….Sorry to say though, that, since the introduction of the Carbon Price, our countries emissions have actually gone down…………..”

    Just like the EC that might have something to do with out of control labour costs and the ALP/Greens shutting down as much manufacturing as possible

  63. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 1:25 pm

    What’s the projected Carbon Tax………..sorry Price………….. to be once the ETS starts ?

    And how is that going to fed into the Budget bottom line ?

  64. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 1:37 pm

    One always gets a laugh from TomR and his deceptive statements. Of course he neglects to mention that CO2 emissions plunged by 3% in December 2008, and 2% in September 2007.

    As usual just do a little Googling and his statements turn out to be nothing but the misleading BS that he often sprouts

  65. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 20, 2013 1:40 pm

    Sorry to say though, that, since the introduction of the Carbon Price, our countries emissions have actually gone down (hunt disagrees, he must be using hockeys calculator), so it might just be that they won’t.

    Oh cool. So what was “Global Warming” is now “Global minus Australia Warming”. Geez, Gillard/Swan/Combet/Wong are fkn geniuses!!

  66. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 1:59 pm

    “hunt disagrees, he must be using hockeys calculator”

    Nah

    Looks like he’s actually using Combet’s own Climate Department website as it shows the claim of a Carbon Tax link for any fall as just bullshit when compared to previous years.

  67. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 20, 2013 2:35 pm

    Here’s the Great Barrier Reef (as depicted by Peter Sellers) in the movie The Party.

  68. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 3:03 pm

    it shows the claim of a Carbon Tax link for any fall as just bullshit when compared to previous years.

    Perhaps you have a link to back it up 2d?

    http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/carbon-tax-contributes-to-emissions-drop-20121017-27rl6.html

  69. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 3:33 pm

    More bad news for the locals

  70. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 3:41 pm

    “Perhaps you have a link to back it up 2d?”

    I already told you where to find it.

    The government’s own propaganda machine website on the FRONT FUCKING PAGE.

    Use your own eyes and check the graph in 2008 and 2007

  71. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 3:58 pm

    Use your own eyes and check the graph in 2008 and 2007

    err, it’s 2013 2d, not sure what 2008 has to do with it?

    Perhaps a link, there are a lot of propaganda sites out there.

    btw, your comments bove must have been stuck in spam or something, but for the record, I am not talking about 2008 or 2007, I am talking about since the Carbon Price was implemented.

    That would have ben a bit over 6 months ago.

    Mind you, I’m interested in these ones now, so, if you have a link?

  72. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:02 pm

    “err, it’s 2013 2d, not sure what 2008 has to do with it?”

    Those are the years with much larger falls……….but not the only one like you imply 2012 as…………….and I will put my point to you very very very simply……………are you ready

    THERE WAS NO FUCKING CARBON TAX

  73. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:04 pm

    ‘Sorry, a few decades to go yet, assuming we don’t change our ways. Sorry to say though….’

    Uh Oh, TomR has the ‘sorry gene’.

    We have changed our ways and now temperatures are falling, hope you and joolya are happy because there are a lot of northern hemisphere dwellers who aren’t.

  74. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:12 pm

    So 2d, are ready to admit that emissions (from power production) have fallen since the introduction of the carbon price, and that hunt is FOS and lied on national television?

    I mean, that was my claim, before you went of on a little tanty

  75. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:13 pm

    We have changed our ways and now temperatures are falling, hope you and joolya are happy because there are a lot of northern hemisphere dwellers who aren’t.

    WE ROCK! 🙂

    Your kids will thank you, no matter how little you personally deserve it 🙂

  76. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:13 pm

    and now temperatures are falling</i

    Have you got a link to back that up? Or are you making shit up again?

  77. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:15 pm

    Perhaps grodo is looking for a new job. Here’s a thought for ya, ya seem eminently qualified

  78. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:25 pm

    “……….are ready to admit that emissions (from power production) have fallen since the introduction of the carbon price……..”

    Not if you are saying the Carbon Tax was the cause of it which is clearly what you try to imply with your very polluting verbal emissions.

    Look at the EU. Emissions are falling there because they are sending their manufacturing overseas.

  79. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 4:44 pm

    Not if you are saying the Carbon Tax was the cause of it which is clearly what you try to imply with your very polluting verbal emissions.

    So, you admit, emissions have fallen since the introduction of the carbon price. And, according to those within the industry, the carbon price played a part in that

    Thanks 2d for having a rant and hissy about totally irrelevant crap again. hunt didn’t get his figures from anywhere, he just made them up. In fact, I don’t think he even had figures, just a bullshit statement that was factually incorrect.

  80. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:05 pm

    ‘Have you got a link to back that up? Or are you making shit up again?’

    I got it from the UK Met.

  81. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:07 pm

    So, do you have a link for that grodo? I didn’t ask where you got it, generally, I asked for a link.

    let me guess “I saw it on the internets” lol

  82. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:16 pm

    “So, you admit………..”

    No I dont. Precisely how much of it was due to the Carbon Tax

    Just within a few thousand tonnes will do.

    I’ll wait whilst you fetch

    Alternatively go ahead…………………..just verbal people as usual

  83. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:18 pm

    TomR this is not the thread for that sort of link. If you would like to step out to the back room and ask me again….

  84. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:21 pm

    Precisely how much of it was due to the Carbon Tax

    lol so, you get proven wrong again, and start asking for specifics that probably can’t even be measured yet ROFL.

    Did you read the link 2d? Do you disagree with the experts assessment?

  85. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:24 pm

    TomR this is not the thread for that sort of link.

    Well, put it there then, but I’ll carry the discussion on here, because it is related to what you are claiming here

  86. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:40 pm

    “and start asking for specifics that probably can’t even be measured yet ”

    ROFLMA at that one……………..one of your classic “2 Feet in Mouth”

    Thanks for that admission……………..what were you saying about the Carbon Tax’s impact on Emissions then.

  87. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 5:49 pm

    what were you saying about the Carbon Tax’s impact on Emissions then.

    er, that since it has been introduced, emissions have gone down, not up, like hunt tried to claim, and, actually, who knows what you tried to claim, you were back in 2008.

    And, according to experts in the field, some of that drop can be attributed to the Carbon Price.

    Measuring the amount, as you seem to want me to run off and do, probably can’t even be done yet, even by these experts. yet you claim this lack of specific data I’m not going to chase around for you somehow invalidates it 😯

    Tell you what, since I have cited experts in the field who claim that it has had an impact, perhaps you could cite an expert in the field who disagrees?

    But none of this changes my initial point, Since the introduction of the Carbon Price, emissions have gone down, and hunt lied about it. And you tried to support his lie with … an alleged graph (which I don’t dispute, but have not yet seen) from 2008

  88. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:10 pm

    ‘Well, put it there then, but I’ll carry the discussion on here, because it is related to what you are claiming here.’

    No that’s alright, you’ll have to take my word for it.

  89. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:13 pm

    you’ll have to take my word for it.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    (not since 2008 grodo 😉 )

  90. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:16 pm

    I could show you the UK Mail expose, but I assumed that wouldn’t do.

  91. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:18 pm

    Well, things haven’t changed around here have they

    I drop back in for an arbo, and we have one clown claiming that a chart from 2008 supports hunts lie about emission not dropping since the introduction of the Carbon Price, even though they clearly have, and another one claiming that temperatures have fallen, and runs like a scared rabbit when asked for his source. Then reckons the UK mail will trump this unsourced source

    aptly named site reb 😉

  92. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:24 pm

    “Well, things haven’t changed around here have they…….”

    That’s right……………………..you drop by and try to verbal everyone.

    Nothing different in that.

  93. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:30 pm

    “…………perhaps you could cite an expert in the field who disagrees?”

    I already have……………….you’re just too lazy to look at your own sides (Department of Climate Change*) propaganda which clearly shows that increases and decreases in CO2 emissions happen every single fucking month.

    Trying to pin a punitive tax as causing one or two quarters is just the biggest load of bullshit you’ve yet come up with.

    * I do hope Abbott follows thru and sacks every single one of those useless cnuts once he gets into Office.

  94. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 6:31 pm

    Blog protocol is in place and we shouldn’t discuss CO2 or weather on this thread.

  95. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:23 pm

    clearly shows that increases and decreases in CO2 emissions happen every single fucking month.

    See, you changed it again. That isn’t what was said, or implied, actually, its got bugger all to do with the point I raised. I’m sure usage varies month by month.

    But I’m not talking about fluctuations month by month. I’m not talking about what happened back in 2008. I’m talking about what has happened since the introduction of the Carbon Price, which is a period of over 6 months, a period that has seen a marked decrease in the use of carbon based energy production.

    Your ‘experts’ don’t dispute this at all. Your ‘experts’ aren’t even talking of the same thing.

    While you are back looking for ‘experts’ that support your limp defense of hunts lie that emissions haven’t dropped, try and point out where I have ‘verballed’ you. You could also try and explain why you disagree with the experts in the linked article, who are not speaking of monthly fluctuations, and are not talking about what happened back in 2008. Try and address the point, instead of making your own up.

    Then we have grodo, doing his best interpretation of Bold Sir Robin

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:02 pm

    Blog protocol is in place and we shouldn’t discuss CO2 or weather on this thread.

    That ‘s the only most intelligent thing you;ve ever said here, egg …

  97. February 22, 2013 5:38 pm

    ” Where’s 730 today to talk about these Polls ? “
    🙂 polls are your thing
    🙂 l don`t listen to/care about polls

  98. February 22, 2013 5:41 pm

    tho Jock Shock, l did notice juliana dullard got her tweet on qanda ..

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