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February 20, 2013
A Maori Hangi: It looks like shit and it tastes like it too.

A Maori Hangi: It looks like shit and it tastes like it too.

Kiaora Kiwis!

And Haere Mai!

I’ve just arrived back in Melbourne after a few days visiting my folks in New Zealand.

New Zealand is a strange place and so are New Zealanders.

During my stay, I had some exposure to what they like to call “Maori culture,” which, by all accounts, is one of the world’s cultures that is bereft of any real culture as such.  The Chinese, so it goes, invented fireworks, calligraphy and fine cooking. The Scots discovered the light bulb.  Meanwhile in New Zealand, they discovered the lost art of poking out your tongue.

Travel the world, and you’ll discover the joys of Spanish Paella, Italian pasta and French escargot.

Meanwhile, in New Zealand, haute cuisine involves what they call a “Hangi” (pronounced hung-ee).

To prepare a traditional Maori hangi, you must first dig a hole in the ground approx 1 metre by 1.5 metres and about two feet deep.

Add burning hot rocks to the pit, and then fill with wire crates containing any old concoction of root vegetables wrapped in tinfoil. Typically this involves pumpkin, kumara (sweet potato), carrots and potatoes.

Top this with large hunks of cheap, fatty cuts of meat such as beef brisket, pork and lamb all wrapped in tinfoil.

Once this is done, spread a couple of old hessian sacks on top and douse with a garden hose.

Grab a shovel and cover the hole up with dirt so that it looks like a recently covered short-statured person’s grave.

Three or four hours later, dig the whole lot up again, unwrap and serve with a handful or so of salt.

As you can imagine, the smell of the moist hessian permeates the food coupled with whatever fragrance the dirt had to offer.

It sounds like shit and it tastes like it too.

Needless to say it’s nice to be home.

 

 

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165 Comments leave one →
  1. February 20, 2013 7:19 pm

    The mind boggles at what they did before they had alfoil! ;-))

  2. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:45 pm

    Our cousins across the gap have some amusing qualities, the squeezed vowel is unique to that part of the world.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:57 pm

    Do you like anything, anwhere … traveller?

    I must say if you think a Kiwi hangi is bad, you should see … and taste a PNG hang – everything is grey and tastes like mudi!!!

    Almost as bad as Fiji kava … or that fkn beetle nut!

    I have been to a Kiwi hangi in Brissy and it was great … the guy that did it was a Kiwi but very pale! (And I might have been pissed by the time they dug it up!)

    BTW, we just booked 26 days in VN, Cambodia, Laos & Thailand, 12 days on the Mekong (upper & Lower) … would have included China but we have to watch the cents now we are pensioners … 😦 … We do get to the Golden Triangle so there may be a chance to negotiate a supplement our outlay with a package each into Brissy on our return … 😉

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:59 pm

    The mind boggles at what they did before they had alfoil!

    Human skin …

    If you go to a hungi — smile — and take a bottle of HP sauce a big bottle!

  5. February 20, 2013 8:06 pm

    “we just booked 26 days in VN, Cambodia, Laos & Thailand”

    That sounds wonderful TB, however it also sounds like you’re going to be rushing around!

    Laos is my favourite place in SE Asia – Luang Prabang specifically…

    We stayed at this place – allow yourself three or four nights, and just do a one night stopover in the capital Vientiane (there’s nothing to see there).

    http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Hotel_Review-g295415-d1377763-Reviews-Mekong_Riverview_Hotel-Luang_Prabang_Luang_Prabang_Province.html

  6. February 20, 2013 8:10 pm

    “I might have been pissed by the time they dug it up!”

    I think that’s the general idea.

  7. February 20, 2013 8:16 pm

    “Do you like anything, anwhere … traveller?”

    I’m yet to be disappointed by this place…

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2013 9:15 pm

    That sounds wonderful TB, however it also sounds like you’re going to be rushing around!

    Yes and no we can do our own thing or go on small tours … and 12 day on three fkn boats isn’t really rushing! (A night on a junk in Halong Bay … 162 passenger boat on the Lower Mekong and 45 passenger boat on the Upper Mekong …

    Laos is my favourite place in SE Asia – Luang Prabang specifically…

    Yep we spend two nights in Luang Prabang …

    We stayed at this place – allow yourself three or four nights, and just do a one night stopover in the capital Vientiane (there’s nothing to see there).

    Its a planned tour, sreb, so no wriggle time ufortunately … we did that on our UK trip in 1997 … we had two nights in Edinburgh but left the tour and drove up the East coast instead … fell in love with the place!

    I’m yet to be disappointed by this place…

    We’ll spend two nights in Bangkok … hope this place is OK … Sofitel Bangkok Sukhumvit

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2013 10:29 pm

    I recommend Uluwatu, note the access to surf via the lagoon, the cafes built into the cliffs, the views!

    This is the place for genuine relaxation!

  10. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2013 10:34 pm

    Ahhhh !

    Vietnam now that’s a decent place to holiday. 1 night in the Bay is enuf as it is the same landscape. But try and stay in Hanoi ( lots of roof top bars but watch out the climate can vary massively between north and south). More terrace houses than London .

    Saigon. Totally modern city. More rooftop bars. Thank god I don’t drink.

    Nha trang= paradise.

    Mekong = more magnifique French colonial architecture.

    I could go on and on and on

  11. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2013 10:56 pm

    I just thought of something.

    Yeah I know

    Reb

    Why can’t rostrums be political free and insult free.

    Ok the last bit is abut over the top.

    If someone breaches then blog master should edit or delete and say so

    We might even get some recipes ?

    Anyway if you don’t like the idea thats quite OK

    you can just FUCK OFF you LEFTWING CNUT

  12. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2013 11:01 pm

    Politics free as per Dunlop blog way back

  13. el gordo permalink
    February 21, 2013 8:14 am

    Can we talk about the weather?

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:00 am

    This is interesting…

    ” The stone circle, said to be older than Stonehenge, is an astronomical marker. Its two straighter sides point to where the sun rises on the shortest and longest days of the year. Stonehenge dates from about 2500 BC, and the earliest pyramid in Egypt was built from about 2630 BC, suggesting the local Aborigines could have been the world’s first astronomers.

    Known as Wurdi Youang, the site lies on Wathaurong Co-Operative land.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/holiday-ideas/tour-guides-beg-to-see-geelong-stonehenge-wurdi-youang/story-e6frfqd9-1226582368482#ixzz2LU1272G0

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:59 am

    Thank god I don’t drink. 😯 Humour from, Wally! 😆 (in itself funny!)

    OK – we’re going APT … ’cause we like cruisin’ and we’ve never visited Asia (I don’t think four hours in Singapore/Bankok Airports, count) …

    For your delectation … this is the trip we chose …

    http://www.aptouring.com.au/Trips/Asia/VEMRQTH26?travelstyle=105&destination=32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,31&refine=1&page=2&revert=1

    It began as a “maybe we could go to VN” … but I figured if we did that we may as well sample as many cultures as we could (a recce if you will) …

    … it would be like going to an EU country and not going anywhere else …

  16. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 21, 2013 12:14 pm

    From your itinerary TB

    HANOI
    “Later, enjoy premium seating at a water puppet show.”

    1) Make sure you take a pillow LOL

    HA LONG
    “Travel to Ha Long and board a luxurious wooden junk for your two-day cruise on World Heritage-listed Ha Long Bay. Enjoy time on Titop Island, then continue to the Bat Cave area and visit the bay’s largest floating fishing village.”

    2) It’s a reasonably long bus ride and beware it can be very very cold out on the Bay and in Hanoi . Whilst it maybe very warm in Saigon Vietnam is geographically very long hence the climate differences.

    3) Take your hiking boots as it’s a long way to the top of Titop Island (Titop was a Soviet cosmonaut by the way)

    4) Say hello to the lady in the row boat at the fishing village. She’ll come out to your boat so if you need anything replenished shes your “go to girl”. I didn’t buy anything because I don’t drink.

    SAIGON
    “Alternatively, visit the Cu Chi Tunnels.”

    5) Definitely worth a visit being the man made NVA tunnels. You can also hone your skills firing off a few live rounds from your weapon of choice an AK47 or an M16.

    6) The American War Museum in Saigon is also worth a couple of hours visit.

    7) Make sure you Google rooftop bars for Saigon and Hanoi before you go as there are quite a few especially in Saigon

  17. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 21, 2013 12:31 pm

    Oh

    And when you fly into Vietnam. Do make sure that you confirm with your Transfer which terminal you are going to meet them at.

    They have a tendency to assume so you might be waiting at Domestic (often used for flights from Bangkok) whilst they are at International having assumed you are coming straight from Australia.

  18. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 21, 2013 1:04 pm

    “7) Make sure you Google rooftop bars for Saigon and Hanoi before you go as there are quite a few especially in Saigon”

    Just a rumour I heard of course………………LOL

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2013 2:58 pm

    This is the place for genuine relaxation!

    That looks lovel, ToM … where is it exactly?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2013 4:26 pm

    TB, that photo is of Uluwatu, on the southern tip of Bali.

    It’s quite a spectacular place, a little like Sidari- http://sidari-corfu.co.uk/images/Sidari4.jpg – in Corfu, but with surf and nicer tourists.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2013 5:33 pm

    I remember the colour of the water in the Med … we visited Corfu* in 2010 and stayed on Samos Is in 2005 … the water was bloody freezing!

    Met one of Napoleon’s distant rellies (ther’s quite a few there I believe!) … in his nougat shop! 😆

  22. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 21, 2013 5:53 pm

    “TB, that photo is of Uluwatu, on the southern tip of Bali.

    It’s quite a spectacular place……….”

    Yes ToM……………….nature is spectacular

    In the same area look at what Mother Nature also carved into the rocky cliffs

    http://www.google.com/search?q=bali+the+rockbar&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=nMIlUf-IOsWXiQebkoGwDw&biw=919&bih=299&sei=tMMlUZrfCuzOmgWzq4C4DA#imgrc=_

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2013 7:09 pm

    It’s great to see Paul Howes with his noggin on TV so much. He’s a pleasure to listen to and watch.

    Come on media, let’s see more of this rising star!!

  24. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:00 pm

    Just reading a bit in the smh about the murder case in South Africa.

    The Pistorius defence case seems plausible at the moment.

    It seems to have enough legs to run with I’d say.

  25. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:03 pm

    Yes Howes is repairing a lot of damage .

    How long does this conference go for and what’s the budget ?

    Do you know ToM ?

    I’m sure they are all billeted in AWU members homes.

  26. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:23 pm

    Howes even spoke out against ” baseless leadership speculation” created by leaks within the ALP.

    But tomR reckons nothing is happening except for Media beat ups!

    Who should I believe ?

    So tough these days

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:31 pm

    “It seems to have enough legs to run with I’d say.”

    Hasn’t got a leg to stand on …

  28. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:44 pm

    I just found out it only lasts for 5 days and is held at Jupiter’s casino.

    That’s good………… You never see prostitutes in casinos up in Queensland.

    Yep ……..vote 1 ALP

  29. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2013 10:45 pm

    Boom boom TB

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2013 2:03 am

    The Pistorius defence case seems plausible at the moment.

    Oscar Pistorius case: lead investigator is facing attempted murder charges:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/20/oscar-pistorius-case-police-blunders

    …On Thursday further pressure was piled on South African police as they admitted Botha is himself charged with attempted murder.

    Police Brigadier Neville Malila told the Associated Press that the detective is scheduled to appear in court in May. Malila said Botha faced seven counts of attempted murder over what news reports called a drunken incident in which he and two other police officers were accused of firing shots from a state-owned vehicle while trying to stop a minivan…

    Enthralling stuff, who knows where all these twists and turns are going to lead us!

  31. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 7:26 am

    But tomR reckons nothing is happening except for Media beat ups!

    Well, that isn’t exactly what I said. But, getting things right isn’t really a strong point around here.

    Try reading (lol) this, and see if it gets any clearer for ya 😉

    http://thefailedestate.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/anonymice.html

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:02 am

    Yeah, right. An ALP politician backgrounds a journalist about concerns with Gillard because she is failing, and the polls are down, and the leadership can’t connect with the electorate…and the journalist should publish their name.

    That’s just stupid.

    I’d like to know which of the “media beatups” haven’t had a fair element of fact, when viewed in hindsight.

    • Rudd leaking to the press in 2010?
    • Thomson had a “case to answer”?
    • Rudd intended to challenge?

  33. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:12 am

    I’d like to know which of the “media beatups” haven’t had a fair element of fact, when viewed in hindsight.

    Who can forget the debacle the press created for themselves with the selection of Bob Carr. If they hadn’t ‘speculated’ so much, they may have got it right. But they were too busy trying to ‘outwit’ the PM, they fell for their own bullshit.

  34. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:14 am

    So much for no politics on ya thread reb 😉

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:26 am

    But Tom R you’ve been critical of “media beatups”.

    The media is always inconvenient for a damaged government, but was it in the public interest to report about Rudd leaking to the media or Rudd planning to challenge?

    A range of people have been critical of media reporting, and I’d like to know which of the stories should not have been reported.

  36. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:44 am

    but was it in the public interest to report about Rudd leaking to the media or Rudd planning to challenge?

    What, every day, all day, until people groan in disbelief that it is STILL going on?

    To hte point where, instead of talking policy, they get leadershit, ALL THE TIME

    To the point that, finally, once, they LOOK like they are right. Or, it just gets to the saturation point that Rudd goes FUCK IT I’LL CHALLENGE, maybe just to shut ’em up. Cos it was obvious to all he didn’t have a chance back then, or now.

    Public interest in it was dead before he challenged last time.

    Look at the Community Cabinets the Government has. It isn’t filled with questions of leadershit or ‘chaos’. It is questions on policy and platform. Why?

    Cos voters are asking, not armchair warriors calling themselves ‘journalist’

  37. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:56 am

    LOL @ TomR

    So Chief Grub Gillard lays it on the line and berates her caucus for leaking so much information to the Media and tells them to immediately stop leaking.

    And what happens…………how do we know all this…………….?

    Her tirade is leaked by a caucus member to the Media

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2013 11:28 am

    Tom R, I strongly prefer Rudd over Gillard, and would be quite pleased to see him back.

    It seems to be an opinion shared by an increasing number of MPs now. You might find it annoying and inconvenient that (as confirmed by Howes) MPs are backgrounding journalists, and journalists report this.

    But the fact is that the public prefers Rudd, and is interested in the efforts to put him back in the PMs job. I just can’t quite see why the media should not report about political activity that the public-
    • Is interested in, and
    • Have a right to know about

    It is simply that you find factual reporting gathered from political intelligence, very inconvenient.

    I find Gillard particularly inconvenient, and am grateful to read stories that an increasing number of ALP MPs share this view.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2013 1:34 pm

    (as confirmed by Howes)

    And Howes is an intelligent little prick (his language not mine) too — talking about pollies underminDing the PM … yep he said underminDing not once but twice in about 15 seconds … as bright and sharp as a fkn tin whistle … don’t they know he’s doing more damage to the ALP than Rudd, Gillard and Swan News Ltd and Fairfax put together …

  40. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 22, 2013 1:49 pm

    Another day…………………………….Another policy disaster

    So how are they (the ALP) going to explain this fuck up which has possibly resulted in the rape of a university student

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/asylum-seekers-housed-in-sydney-uni/story-e6freuy9-1226583268614

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2013 1:50 pm

    ‘underminDing’ – Fifi picked that up!

    Howes is very underminded – he’s a dill.

  42. Howes' That permalink
    February 22, 2013 1:52 pm

    At the end of The Leech Woman a detective shoots out the lock on the titular character’s bedroom door, which at least seems vaguely more plausible since a door handle’s locking mechanism probably isn’t anything near as sturdy as a combination lock. At any rate, it’s more plausible than everything else in the film.

  43. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 1:52 pm

    How loud is that whistle. The dogs are barkin’

    It is not known yet whether one of the 80 Sri Lankan asylum seekers is responsible for an indecent assault on a female student, but the attacker has been described as a “dark skinned male”.

    I wonder if there are reports of ‘children overboard’ ffs

  44. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 22, 2013 1:57 pm

    No……………..the point is TomR

    What the fuck are they doing on a Uni Campus ?

    With Newspoll being completed over the weekend this will be the end of Gillard

  45. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 2:07 pm

    What the fuck are they doing on a Uni Campus ?

    Um, living, it appears.

    And yes, it certainly reeks of a newspoll beatup. Especially if it’s got hadleys name to it.

    I wonder if you are aware that their are asylum seekers living everywhere, and have been for years, not causing anyone any harm. Even though there were screams of outrage from the hadleys of this world

  46. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 2:11 pm

    Meanwhile, for a bit of mutual speculation

  47. February 22, 2013 2:20 pm

    “I wonder if you are aware that their are asylum seekers living everywhere, and have been for years, not causing anyone any harm.”

    Who are these so-called “people” and how long has this being going on…???!!!!!

  48. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 3:10 pm

    ‘Say goodbye to CS and el gordo.’

    Miglo has again, apparently, kicked me out of AIMN. This time for talking about brown shirts and communists…. unfknbelievable.

    I also said CU fits the definition of a troll, which I’m sure my colleagues here would agree with.

  49. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 3:14 pm

    Miglo has again, apparently, kicked me out of AIMN.

    Is this like all those time you weren’t kicked out of Whispers ? 😯

  50. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 3:37 pm

    Held in moderation is an attempt to have me conform to groupthink and that’s unlikely.

    Don’t go to whispers anymore, not knowing if the door will be slammed in my face.

    Did you notice the head of the IPCC admits temperatures have not risen in 17 years and he’s asked for another 30 or 40 years to see if the AGW theory is real?

  51. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    February 22, 2013 3:49 pm

    “I also said CU fits the definition of a troll”

    A fine purveyor of most useless and pointless,droning comments on the blogosphere

  52. February 22, 2013 4:30 pm

    A lying troll at that.

    Although afforded great protection by Minglo.

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 4:31 pm

    greg hunt 😆 😆 😆 😆

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDl9s6aCAAAzq69.jpg:large

  54. February 22, 2013 4:47 pm

    “reb, come out from under the rock at last, I see.”

    CU made the above remark after I posted at AIMN after a couple of days of absence.

    Coincidentally she had been complaining about people who make sarcastic and insulting remarks.

    When I pointed out that she was guilty of doing exactly the same thing, she denied that the remark was directed at me, denied that she had mentioned any names, and insisted that she was talking in “generalities.”

    Then I get accused of “attacking her” for pointing out her dishonesty.

    It’s extraordinary.

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2013 5:06 pm

    Everything is trolling if it doesn’t comfortably fit it the latest government press release.

    I’ve decided to become a vociferous supporter of the ‘Return of Rudd’ campaign. Because I think that’s the best outcome for the country. It would allow the reform of the ALP without the interim step of requiring it to be a parliamentary rump for a couple of terms.

    Saying that is being a ‘troll’ and a Liberal propagandist.

    Funny

  56. February 22, 2013 5:11 pm

    “I’ve decided to become a vociferous supporter of the ‘Return of Rudd’ campaign. “

    Good for you Tom.

    Maybe you might like to write a post to promote your “campaign?” 😉

  57. February 22, 2013 6:00 pm

    Maybe you might like to write a post to promote your “campaign?”

    A dot point post ❓

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:02 pm

    Who are these so-called “people” and how long has this being going on…???!!!!!

    Just visit the Sydney Mardi Gras … they are everywhere!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve decided to become a vociferous supporter of the ‘Return of Rudd’ campaign.

    Gro-o-o-o-an .. more fkn bullet points repeated ad nauseum …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why don’t you barrack for – – – Its Turnbulls Time!

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:03 pm

    Two minutes behind ya, TomR …

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:23 pm

    • Return
    • To
    • Rudd

    Australia would be –
    • Best
    • served
    • by bringing back the
    • most successful
    • politician in
    • The parliament

    The
    • man preferred by the
    • majority of
    • the Australian electorate

    Thank you for your
    • atten
    • tion

    I’m off for some thirst quenching shiraz, so I’ll think up some more dot points while I’m ear bashing some poor friends testing my ideas.

  61. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:25 pm

    If reb was the editor of AIMN it would be a funny, exciting and robust place to visit. With guest posts from the two Toms, TB, Treeman and splatter it would provide balance and attract a wider audience.

    Miglo deserves credit for the idea and layout, but he lacks the editorial maturity to pull it off.

  62. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 22, 2013 6:34 pm

    😯

  63. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 7:04 pm

    In small country establishments a modest reporter gets the job of sub editor because of his layout skills, cutting copy to squeese in the ads. When the boss goes on holidays he gets the big seat for a few weeks and the he then jumps to a great metropolitan daily as a lowly reporter to begin the climb again.

    That’s the old media, of which I’m familiar, but in the 5th Estate (sic) which Migs is trying to create…. it cannot be done with a bunch of novices.

  64. February 22, 2013 7:37 pm

    So teabags, what`s Mr-Rabbits latest non-core promise.?

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2013 7:52 pm

    Australia would be –
    • Best
    • served
    • by bringing back the
    • most successful
    • politician in
    • The parliament

    What cock ..

  66. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 8:01 pm

    Is there a compromise candidate to win the unwinnable election?

  67. February 23, 2013 1:35 am

    ” Is there a compromise candidate to win the unwinnable election?”
    ls our resident teabag is claiming Mr-Rabbits `un-losable`.?

  68. February 23, 2013 1:49 am

    ” The Pistorius defence case seems plausible at the moment “
    From what l`v seen armchair, l think oscar`s stuffed. He won`t be able to get off the hook for being reckless as he didn`t check if reeva was still in the bed. lt seems he shot thru the door too. ln most places you aren`t allowed to shoot blind thru doors or walls unless you have already been fired upon. Wonder if that`s the same in SA

  69. Meta permalink
    February 23, 2013 1:58 am

    Yes, Mr-Rabbit’s core-promised to refuse the tainted vote of anyone who has failed to assimilate a strong Australian accent and who still insists on spelling Labo(u)r like a renegade Septic Tank. Just forget all about the fawning speech core-promising the Neo-Reaganites as large a slice of the Greater Northern Australasian Foodbowl as they might like, for any food fight or trickle down they might wish to start, once the Mittster is in position to see off the Indonesian-Kenyan-Islamo-President-Imposter-Elect.

  70. el gordo permalink
    February 23, 2013 7:17 am

    The Greater Northern Australasian Foodbowl (GNAF) will be useful in preventing mass starvation elsewhere on the planet and should be seen as visionary… regardless of its political origin.

  71. February 23, 2013 10:50 am

    They’ve gone into rampant banning and censorship mode over at AIMN…

    Apparently criticising the PM is now a threat to democracy.

    It’s also fascinating to watch how everyone falls in behind whatever Catching Up says.

    She’s permitted to make pointed insults and sarcastic remarks about other bloggers but god help you if you have the gaul to fire back.

    Then she plays the old “persecuted pensioner” card…

    I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that she’s the most vociferous supporter of Julia Gillard. So despite CU’s blatant lies and dishonesty they’ve sided with her and banned me.

    So much for that whole “independent” media thing.

    Dragonista had them sussed from day one. It’s just another Cafe.

  72. el gordo permalink
    February 23, 2013 12:29 pm

    Its just another cafe and I’ll be putting this banning on my CV.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 1:06 pm

    I think there is some good quality threads there and even a number of thoughtful contributors.

    There are several that have migrated from other group think sites, who have no purpose other than to disparage people with an independent political orientation, and they don’t even bother to do it with intelligence, wit or subtlety. They are simply there to inflame.

    The administrators need to advise these mindless, dishonest types that their comments are unwelcome, and put them into moderation.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 1:09 pm

    I think there are

    Just to ensure that this site remains the benchmark of spelling and grammar!

  75. February 23, 2013 1:23 pm

    l`m wondering if certain coffee-wars are involving
    http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents.php?categoryID=200120

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2013 1:43 pm

    From what l`v seen armchair, l think oscar`s stuffed. He won`t be able to get off the hook for being reckless as he didn`t check if reeva was still in the bed.

    Yeah, there could be circumstances that come out in the court case, but I just can’t get past the thought that someone racing to confront a suspected intruder wouldn’t shake their partner awake saying “get up, get-up there’s an intruder in the house” and point out a safety escape or something. Just firing blind a number of times, to me, seems totally irresponsible. The pre-trial trial, was pretty riveting.

    Also riveting was seeing michael kirby on ch.9’s the bottom line just now, what a marvellous mind, humanitarian and thoroughly decent person. He would be my option for australia’s first president!

  77. February 23, 2013 2:23 pm

    ” option for australia’s first president! “
    lf you are saying that meaning `republic` armchair, l really doubt that will happen in our lifetime.

  78. February 23, 2013 2:30 pm

    ” Just firing blind a number of times, to me, seems totally irresponsible. The pre-trial trial, was pretty riveting.”
    Yes the pre-trial has been interesting, l`ve watched on sbs1/french-news which seems to have covered this stage pretty well. French/sbs1 said that even `if` it was an intruder, oscar would still be facing `murder` type charges because he seems to have fired blind. SA seems to have `excessive` force laws like we do.

  79. February 23, 2013 2:35 pm

    oh yeah armchair, oscar seems to be a bit of a gun-nut too, which probably won`t help him either, oscar posted stuff online (facebook?) about gun shooting/targets according to french/sbs1

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2013 2:50 pm

    oh yeah armchair, oscar seems to be a bit of a gun-nut too, which probably won`t help him either, oscar posted stuff online (facebook?) about gun shooting/targets according to french/sbs1

    The macho cowboy culture.

    We now want to let gun totin’ nuts into our national parks. yeeehaa!

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 4:11 pm

    What’s wrong with horse meat anyway?

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 4:26 pm

    Given that I’ve decided to vociferously support the ALP if they return to Rudd, I’ve penned this, to briefly explain my rationale –

    Why Leadership Matters – Return to Rudd

    The ALP Government is fractured, headed for defeat. This situation is a function of the current inept leadership of Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan.

    If leaders of any organisation can’t build trust, confidence and a sense of alignment, they fail. Leadership isn’t just about doing things, developing policy or making announcements – they’re activities. Leadership has more to do with creating trust, or offering a better, stable future. It’s “the vision thing” – the messages of leaders have to resonate.

    Gillard can’t do it, and these days, no one listens anyway.

    The choice isn’t between Gillard and Abbott, that’s not a choice worth making. Vote 1 – Informal, is the most ethical selection at the moment.

    With the ALP headed for electoral disaster, the choice is one for the ALP. They can choose Rudd.

    A “Return to Rudd” (R2R) campaign would kick start an electoral comeback. With the range of ministerial hacks that would self-select out, a Rudd Government would look bright, young and fresh.

    On the policy front, Rudd has proven to be more humane towards asylum seekers, less dogmatic about marriage equality. He would be more credible in reviewing carbon/emission policy; he is likely to be determined and capable of proving a point about the MRRT.

    Rudd’s policy strengths put the harsh spotlight on Gillard’s weaknesses.

    Rudd is capable of cutting through an allegedly belligerent press gallery, he can connect to the electorate – giving them a sense of optimism and building trust.

    Returning to Rudd would stop the leak of votes to the Greens and claw back the middle ground. An ALP government under Rudd is likely to be more progressive than the current tired, moribund one.

    Gillard has had her opportunity and she has failed. She deserves no more sympathy than she provided to her predecessor.

    It’s time for Gillard to get out of the way and allow the electorate to return to the leadership they prefer – Rudd.

  83. February 23, 2013 4:37 pm

    Actually yomm, after 3 years of continual Lobbying by zombie-media for the zombie-party, there is still only justification to `number` Mr-Rabbits candidate Last on the ballot.

  84. February 23, 2013 4:47 pm

    Many of us are looking at `reverse` voting yomm.
    That means we will find Mr-Rabbits candidate and number him 99.

    Then look for zombie-Lib shills for number 98, Nationals.
    Then Joolya`s candidate gets 97.
    then Joolya`s shills 96.

    then if we have indies, greens, k-kids sort them

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 4:53 pm

    Gillard and Swan don’t even deserve that 730.

  86. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 24, 2013 12:05 am

    The Oscar P murder/accidental/ manslaughter case looks interesting.

    Unless there is a really damning piece of evidence it will be very divisive.

    Money….. Success……good looking woman….

    Looks like South Africa’s OJ Simpson trial.

    Does the glove……. I mean bat fit I suppose.

  87. Meta permalink
    February 24, 2013 3:21 am

    (Probably not the Bill of Rights which a fairness (?) advocate like Kirby had in mind, but Deane wasn’t too shabby back in the day, either, as I seem to recall.)

  88. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 9:03 am

    Fairfax continues to press for drug law reform.

    ”The only thing that competes with the black market is a free market,” he says. ”If you ain’t got a free market, you ain’t going to solve the problem – I don’t care if it’s marijuana or peanut butter.

    ”Goddammit, Nick, if I outlawed peanut butter tomorrow, there’s going to be a f—ing black-market in peanut butter three days later.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/legalised-pot-takes-on-state-of-the-union-20130223-2ey64.html#ixzz2LlK0pPrP

  89. Meta permalink
    February 26, 2013 3:06 am

    (“I’m not f . . ing doing this for you, Kirby. I’m doing this for everyone in this f . . . ing situation. You’ve gotta vote.” ~ Mary Gaudron, quoted in The Australian.)

  90. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 7:18 am

    Couple of good reads Meta, informative and uplifting.

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:31 am

    meta, thanks so much for that interesting piece about mary gaudron. I knew nothing of her, but she is someone to admire as much as michael kirby.

    I loved the article and I now want to read the book about her, is it just me or did others get a strong feeling that the description of her attitude and character could be that of oneself?

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2013 10:27 am

    If you know anyone who loves red wine you should get them one of these.

    I assume it only works when you start out with reasonable quality wine. Does it help with $5 bottles or do you have to up the standard of wine to get the benefit?

  93. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 8:06 am

    “I’m against having internet on the ship,” Clive Palmer said.

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 5:52 pm

    “When you ram ships, hurl glass containers of acid, drag metal-reinforced ropes in the water to damage propellers and rudders, launch smoke bombs and flares with hooks; and point high-powered lasers at other ships, you are, without a doubt, a pirate,” he said.

    This was true “no matter how high-minded you believe your purpose to be,” the judge added, in a ruling that dubbed Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson “eccentric.”

    The Japanese should just torpedo the fuckers.

  95. February 27, 2013 7:10 pm

    Spoken like a true environmentalist…

  96. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 27, 2013 7:31 pm

    Fuck the Japanese.

    Rape their own corner of the world & then claim the right to rape the Southern hemisphere too.

    Fuck them.

  97. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 7:39 pm

    Watson declared a pirate by US court. Does that make Brown a pirate too?

  98. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 8:03 pm

    When people say their cause warrants resort to attacks on other people they set a precedent for all who believe in the righteousness of their own particular cause.

    So if you don’t like Wilders then it is OK to beat up people you’ve never met just because they want to hear him speak.

    What is it about civilisation that fanatics just don’t get?

    But if you attend a rally where someone else holds up a nasty sign about the PM then you are a completely uncivilised and unsavoury person. And a posse of frothing zombies will round on you. But they won’t say a bad word about violent protesters who actually bash people.

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2013 8:31 pm

    Fuck the Japanese.

    Rape their own corner of the world & then claim the right to rape the Southern hemisphere too.

    Fuck them.

    For once I agree with you, Ser Tee! 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When people say their cause warrants resort to attacks on other people they set a precedent for all who believe in the righteousness of their own particular cause.

    Then the Liberal Party and Tony Abbott (or whoever becomes the LOTO in the next six months) needs to be aware of the precedence they have set during Julia Gillard’s time as PM ….

    What is it about civilisation that fanatics just don’t get?

    … read some of your own posts …

    … your cohorts here call me grumpy … but KL and I are the only ones that challenge your use of the English language … and really heavy rants … I know other webmeasters do but sreb, has the most extreme acceptance policy I know … sticks and stones won’t hurt me … but if you want to engage … ???

    But they won’t say a bad word about violent protesters who actually bash people.

    Hyperbole … we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE!

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 10:16 pm

    Then the Liberal Party and Tony Abbott (or whoever becomes the LOTO in the next six months) needs to be aware of the precedence they have set during Julia Gillard’s time as PM ….

    Yeah. Yeah I’m looking over there. But what is your point about people resorting to violence?

    That is my point, and the one which you ignore – that there is clear line that is crossed when fanatics of whatever stripe think that they are entitled to resort to violence.

    “… read some of your own posts …”

    I can think of one where I did use some some strong words (which seemed to displease you) in condemnation of those who would kill apostates and blasphemers. Who’s worse, the wannabe killers or the person who condemns them?

    But I’m not the one who says it takes two to tango when some leftist thug snatches tickets out of an old lady’s hand, am I?

    “we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE!”

    And of course you have nothing to say about people who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!

  101. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:13 pm

    “I assume it only works when you start out with reasonable quality wine. Does it help with $5 bottles or do you have to up the standard of wine to get the benefit?”

    Sp it works with every red.

    You can find it online or they sell it at Dan Murphys. Buy a cheap carafe (for home consuming) as well. Believe me you WILL be converted.

    I take it out with me when I go to a byo( fits in wife’s handbag)

    It’s fantastic.

  102. Meta permalink
    February 28, 2013 3:44 am

    (The earliest known map is a matter of some debate, both because the definition of “map” is not sharp and because some artifacts speculated to be maps might actually be something else.)

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:53 am

    What is it about civilisation that fanatics just don’t get?

    Hatemongering and racism is called ‘civilisation’? Must be another example of right wing disconnect.

    And of course you have nothing to say about people who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!

    No, still can’t. I’m not TB either, so no need to use my words to attack him.

    The extreme right are so civilised they invited the skinheads and white supremacists to come along to the wilders gig ‘looking for a fight’. They wanted one, it looked good for the tv cameras, it was another of abbott’s stunts. He did condemn them didn’t he? I would’ve thought there was no need to if they were such a decent and civilised lot.

    http://andrewzammit.org/

  104. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 8:15 am

    Barry has lost weight and is planning a purge.

    ‘Under-performing senior public servants will no longer be allowed to languish on five year contracts, but be forced to meet tougher standards under a purge of the NSW public service that is expected to save $65 million in three years.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/purge-of-nsw-public-servants-to-save-65-million-20130227-2f676.html#ixzz2M8VovZ66

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 8:39 am

    “Hatemongering and racism is called ‘civilisation’? Must be another example of right wing disconnect.”

    I did not say that. You comment makes no sense in the context in which it is used.

    “No, still can’t. “

    That is far more disgusting and offensive than anything I have said here. I support free speech and condemn violence, which is the opposite of your position.

    “I’m not TB either, so no need to use my words to attack him.”

    It was TB who brought your name into this discussion.

    “The extreme right are so civilised they invited the skinheads and white supremacists to come along to the wilders gig ‘looking for a fight’. They wanted one, it looked good for the tv cameras, it was another of abbott’s stunts. He did condemn them didn’t he? I would’ve thought there was no need to if they were such a decent and civilised lot.”

    This is just garbled delusional fantasy. The funny thing is that given your attitude to free speech and mob violence, you seem to have a lot more in common with Neonazis than you think. Maybe the extreme right and the extreme left are more alike than people realise?

  106. Meta permalink
    February 28, 2013 10:11 am

    (Maybe. Maybe not.)

  107. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 10:21 am

    Middle class welfare targeted by our fearless leader.

    ‘ROLLING back family tax benefits extended to mostly single-income families could save the federal budget $2 billion a year, new economic modelling has shown.

    ‘As the Gillard government considers a range of deep budget cuts to pay for its multi-billion-dollar disability insurance and school funding reforms, the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling has identified massive savings from tightening eligibility for Family Tax Benefit Part B.’

    Pat Karvelas in the Oz

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 10:26 am

    Middle link doesn’t work, Meta.

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 1:18 pm

    “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”

    When and where did I ever say that?

    Ahhhh …

    It was TB who brought your name into this discussion.

    That’s a fkn long stretch … I said …

    … but KL and I are the only ones that challenge your use of the English language …

    Well guess what I challenge it again … especially after I’d said …

    Hyperbole … we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE

    Maybe an apology is in order, sp … of all people you should know I keep my own counsel and so does, KL … sure we often agree … but I often agree with every regular here – including you … passion is fine but decietfulness crosses the line …

    And trying to playing slippery sam with my thoughts is not on …

    I really am getting fed up of people putting their own words into my posts …

    Grumpy doesn’t even come close! 👿

  110. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 1:38 pm

    ‘I really am getting fed up of people putting their own words into my posts …’

    Yeah.

    After ToM’s successful guest post, you could be the next cab off the rank.

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2013 1:55 pm

    Generally civilisation means that the majority culture respects minority or dispossessed cultures. That’s why all the argument about “if the aboriginal/Muslim/Jewish/black asylum seekers can get away with it…why can’t the rest of us white people…” is crap.

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 1:55 pm

    TB: “When and where did I ever say that?

    Where and when did I ever say that you said that?

    “And trying to playing slippery sam with my thoughts is not on …”

    I didn’t do that, did I? What I did do was suggest that you are being selective in your outrage.

    I said: “And of course you have nothing to say about people who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!” and

    “I’m not the one who says it takes two to tango when some leftist thug snatches tickets out of an old lady’s hand, am I?”

    I am not attributing those statements to you, but rather pointing out the selectivity of your outrage. Isn’t it funny – you hammer me, essentially for supporting free speech and opposing violence, but don’t say anything about people who put the opposite view, which is far more offensive than my “heavy rants”.

    Is calling someone deceitful a “heavy rant”? The funny thing with you is that you toss about vague accusations without saying exactly what it is you want me to apologise for. I am happy to apologise if I have misrepresented you but you are going to have to be a bit more specific about exactly what it is I’ve got wrong. I didn’t say that you refused to condemn the violent leftist thugs. I did point out your selective outrage but that is accurate, not deceitful.

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 2:03 pm

    “Generally civilisation means that the majority culture respects minority or dispossessed cultures. “

    Where did you get definition from ToM? It sounds like like something straight out of a course outline from the Faculty of Victim studies. There might just be a bit more to it than that, and perhaps some qualifications.

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2013 2:11 pm

    I did not say that. You comment makes no sense in the context in which it is used.

    It’s the only context that it can be used, you defend the right of people to incite fear, hatred and racism, [where real people actually do get hurt, bashed and abused, most recently the ABC newsreader Jeremy Fernandez] But the people who protest at that uncivil attitude must be beyond reproach and their manners always impeccable.

    I’m afraid I am not one of those ghandi types. Neither do I suspect are you judging by the inflammatory and inciteful language that you use in comments. You are another of those who want protesters constrained by appeals to non violence and civility against all aggression from state forces and corporates as the only tool for accepted protest by our ‘rulers’ [who act and use force on behalf of the corporates against aussie citizens] . I have come to believe that sometimes violence is necessary to defend and continue protest. Civil disobedience against unfair and unjust laws is necessary. I support sea shepherd over greenpeace because holding up placards and ‘witnessing’ crimes/events does not bring about any change, it just reinforces the status quo. Being prepared to frustrate your opponent from carrying out their uncivil activities, civil disobedience and self-defence against aggressors is all part of legitimate protest. As I write this, japan has called off it’s annual whale hunt – good! You can’t tell me that japan has not acted violently toward sea shepherd.

    Besides, the corporate organisersof geert wilders [cory bernardi and co] wanted a controversy, wanted another tampa moment to assist abbott’s campaign, it was just another stunt from the ‘stunts r us’ coalition.

    Why would they hold the meeting in an area heavily populated by muslims? Were the people you speak of, the ones who got knocked down or had a ticket ripped from their hand, just quietly trying to slip in the door or were they ‘having their say’ up close and in the faces of protesters?

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 2:23 pm

    TB, I forgot the emoticons so you can gauge my mood: 😯 and 😕 But if you show me exactly what I did that is so wrong I’ll definitely give you a 😳

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 2:35 pm

    KL: “you defend the right of people to incite fear, hatred and racism, [where real people actually do get hurt, bashed and abused, most recently the ABC newsreader Jeremy Fernandez] “

    Wrong again. You don’t have to lie to make your point. Actually given how wrong your point is, lying is probably the only option.

    “But the people who protest at that uncivil attitude must be beyond reproach and their manners always impeccable.”

    I’ve long given up on expecting civility from lefty rent-a-crowds. My point is that they shouldn’t resort to violence.

    “I’m afraid I am not one of those ghandi types. Neither do I suspect are you judging by the inflammatory and inciteful language that you use in comments. “

    You and I both like to put things starkly. Usually I read something I find outrageous and get it out of my system with a few choice words. The difference is that I draw the line at violence.

    “You are another of those who want protesters constrained by appeals to non violence and civility against all aggression from state forces and corporates as the only tool for accepted protest by our ‘rulers’ [who act and use force on behalf of the corporates against aussie citizens] .”

    Back in my uni days there were all manner of commos preaching revolution. They were wrong then and you are wrong now.

    “Why would they hold the meeting in an area heavily populated by muslims? “

    They had great difficulty finding a venue because the violent rabble likely to try to disrupt their meeting intimidated venues from taking their booking.

    And it was the violent leftist protesters who traveled 40km to beat up people they didn’t even know. Those animals could have protested anywhere. The reason they went to the venue was not to protest but to intimidate and to deny others the right to free speech. The “anti-racists” and the Neo-Nazis have a lot in common.

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2013 2:52 pm

    Where did you get definition from ToM?</i<

    That’s my definiton.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 3:05 pm

    sp …

    Maybe you don’t “get” protocols on blogs? But if you quote me …

    “we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE!”

    And then reply …

    “And of course you have nothing to say about people who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!”

    Everyone believes you WERE answering me … my mention of KL, earlier doesn’t then allow you to imprint her something she said on me …

    … don’t you understand what you wrote? Why use a quote from someone else in your reply to me? Not even implying that I said it but actually saying I said it … if you don’t understand the difference then you have a problem …

    If you are curious as to why I am angry … its because other people read this blog and they don’t all read all of the posts (to establish context in later posts) … having words attributed to me out of context may not harm you but can come back to haunt me …

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:50 pm

    TB here’s where I don’t get it:

    You said: “Not even implying that I said it but actually saying I said it”.

    Now I can’t find anywhere that I actually said that. Can you? If that is the basis of your anger then you are stone cold wrong. I did not actually say that.

    What happened is as follows:

    First I made the (fairly obvious) point that the hypocrites who condemned so loudly the (allegedly) unseemly behaviour at the carbon tax rally were strangely silent about a demo where people were assaulted by leftist thugs.

    Your response was to state that my statement was hyperbole and that 99% of Australians frown on violence.

    Now that answer of yours was an attempted deflection of my point. In fact your answer is barely relevant to my point. My response to your statement was to quote a comment from KL which was at odds with your assertion, and then to note wryly that the person who made the comment must be a “one percenter”. In that sentence I refer to you and your attitude to people who can’t bring themselves to criticise violent thugs. Clearly I did not say that you can’t bring yourself to criticise the violent thugs.

    There is no other rational reading of my words, is there? If there is tell me.

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:57 pm

    “That’s my definition.”

    I don’t think it has much to do with civilisation at all.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 5:38 pm

    OK, sp, one last try … so hopefully it won’t happen again …

    … this is the objectionable section … @ February 27, 2013 10:16 pm … and you are, in fact replying TO ME by quoting to my previous post … in bits … TO ME … not in general … not to KL … TO ME …

    But I’m not the one who says it takes two to tango when some leftist thug snatches tickets out of an old lady’s hand, am I?

    “we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE!”

    And of course you have nothing to say about people who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!

    And I quote … look for the asterisks …

    And of course you have nothing to say about people who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence* and instead say: … “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”**

    * … well in fact I did … earlier … and you quote me … and then ignore it … 🙄

    “we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE!”

    ** I didn’t write the sentence you quoted and attribute to me (remember you are replying to me – not KL …

    … you lifted a quote from KL and popped it into your reply to me … not on …

  122. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 28, 2013 5:58 pm

    Fuck Japan…

    Click the red ‘donate’ button, get yourself a Sea Shepherd beanie…

    http://www.seashepherd.org.au/

  123. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:16 pm

    Got your Season 2 Blurays yet, TB?

    Mine arrived a coupla days ago.

    Rewatching S2 before S3 (A Storm of Swords) begins on March 31…

    Here is an interesting take on pirating thrones, from a director of Thrones…

    http://winteriscoming.net/2013/02/thrones-director-illegal-downloads-dont-matter/

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:56 pm

    Ser Tee

    No! Pre – ordered mine from Mighty Ape given a March expected …

    … I’ll read your link …

  125. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:20 pm

    TB here is how the sentence reads:

    “And of course you [i.e. you TB] have nothing to say about people [i.e. people who are not you] who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!”

    What I am attributing to you is clearly “having nothing to say about people”. That is all. The rest of it is describing those people (who are not you) about whom you have nothing to say. It is they who can’t bring themselves to criticise mob violence and instead say: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”

    When you say “well in fact I did” [have something to say about people who…] and then quote this statement of yours: “we live in Australia … 99% of citizens frown on violence from ANYONE!”, what exactly is it you are saying about such people – that you condemn them, that you don’t, that you approve or disapprove. of them. In fact, in that statement, you are saying nothing at all about them, are you?

    “you lifted a quote from KL and popped it into your reply to me”

    Yes. I quoted KL in a reply to you. Big deal.

    “not on “ – You mean I can’t quote someone else when I reply to you? Wow!

    😕

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:35 pm

    toelette

    Re the link … thin edge of the wedge … happened with music … they eventually woke up!

    TV and film are next …

    … DLNA, NAS, WI-FI are all making it come together … the Smart TV’s are a great concept but after reading the tech forums, I’m not the only one who just use their STV as the window into my network system.

    I’m currently dealing with a lack of codec support from Samsung … I’ve got a lot of AVI stuff and I’m simply converting to MP4 … all my personal 300+ Digital 8 tapes are now digitised … and a few VHS tapes (old training films I produced and some hilarious PNG TV adverts) … how times have changed … 🙂

    … I actually have a Certificate in 16mm & 8mm Cinematography – and still have my Sankyo Super 8 sound camera and projector! And a few reels of film to digitise too I just remembered! 😦

    A super eight cartridge held three minutes of film and had to sent to Kodak in Melbourne for processing … those were the days – not! 🙄

  127. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:47 pm

    Here’s the thing, TB.

    Hypothetically speaking…*cough

    I’m not ever gonna shell out for payTV because I want to watch just one show.

    If I was to download said, highly anticipated series, the day after it airs in the slimy US as each episode is released weekly for the duration of the season…then I may not do so if I didn’t have to wait a fucken whole year! for it to be released ‘officially’ on bluray/dvd.
    I see no shame/guilt/crime in the downloading, given that (if I’d hypothetically downloaded the series as it was aired) I still bought the hard copy a year later; kinda like try before u buy.

  128. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:50 pm

    Would be more than happy to part with a few dollars per episode on air day, to download ‘officially’…but the stupid, greedy cnuts running Big Media Corps have a broken, cynical & exploitative business model.
    They need to get with the fucking times…or continue to suffer a loss of disproportionate revenue for diproportionate overpricing & manipulation.

    Same goes for music.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:55 pm

    Yes. I quoted KL in a reply to you. Big deal.

    Now your gettin slippery with my words again…

    WHAT YOU WROTE COUPLED WITH THE QUOTE APPEARS AS IF I SAID IT …!

    There is no reference to, KL, and the whole post is directed at me.

    … reading your “defence” I think you meant to ask me what I thought of KL’s comment …

    I suspect this is what you meant to say …

    “And of course you [i.e. you TB] have nothing to say about [KL] who can’t bring [herself] to criticise mob violence and instead [ said]: “yep, and for the record, I don’t condemn it.”. [and this aimed at me] Not much of a frown is it – must be a one percenter!”

    Now I’m not one to assume, presume or speculate therefore I’ll let you have your say … and it may end here …

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 7:58 pm

    Same goes for music.

    Well music has loosened up on the DRM over the last coupla years and lo and behold they just made the best profit (equal to) 1999 … thats a tough lesson for them to learn …

    I use DVDFab …

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 8:17 pm

    “… and it may end here …”

    Agreed. 🙂

    Have a good weekend. I’ve been fasting today in preparation for being ‘scoped tomorrow. Now for some more Picoprep!

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 9:05 pm

    Have a good weekend.

    And you, sp …

    I shall be away from Monday …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is priceless!

    The Bloody Onion … they just got lambasted for calling a nine year old girl a c***t … noice folk … 🙄

    As for gay teenagers and the religion story … reminds me of the joke I heard on the radio, in Atlanta, (apologies I’ve posted it here before) …

    “Gays aren’t born that way they just get sucked into the lifestyle” …

    … I guess you could say that this kid is being sucked into the church! 😯

  133. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 9:14 pm

    They have some funny yarns, here’s one on horse meat.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/culinary-world-stunned-as-horse-meat-found-at-3sta,31451/

    The onion would look good on TDT blog roll, just sayin’.

  134. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 10:02 pm

    ‘In an act of colonialism much more oppressive and widespread than anything the British Empire was accused of, China is subjugating vast tracts of the globe to its economic dominance, and giving virtually nothing back.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285676/How-China-enslaving-world-Beijings-ruthless-leaders-subjugate-armies-foreign-workers-opium-plunder-resources-globe–theyve-got-Britain-sights.html#ixzz2MBs7syzL
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  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2013 11:10 pm

    An outstanding red accompanied by a very ordinary meal.

    Fortunately, I enjoy wine more than food.

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2013 1:29 am

    … don’t you understand what you wrote?

    Yes. I quoted KL in a reply to you. Big deal.
    Now your gettin slippery with my words again…
    WHAT YOU WROTE COUPLED WITH THE QUOTE APPEARS AS IF I SAID IT …!

    It seemed weird the way that sb chose not to identify me in the comments, I don’t really know why, but suspect he was looking for a gotcha moment. Entrapment of some kind? I do find that sb will pluck anything from anywhere to support his attacks on his opponent’s arguments, but will completely ignore the more difficult responses that are required of him. This is typical of right wing debate in general though, create a flurry of diversions to keep their opponents busy with silly rubbish and their weak or indefensible main argument gets ignored.

    In that sentence I refer to you and your attitude to people who can’t bring themselves to criticise violent thugs. Clearly I did not say that you can’t bring yourself to criticise the violent thugs.

    You created the ‘attitude’ from TB in your own head sb, it is a total fiction. The only other possibility is that the pre-op fasting and cleanout has caused you to lose the plot! 😆

    Anyway, I do hope all goes well for you with the procedure tomorrow and the recovery is speedy with no bad news.

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 1, 2013 3:11 am

    Thanks KL.

  138. el gordo permalink
    March 1, 2013 6:52 am

    Rebuilding the Labor Party after the right wing union hacks are purged.

    ‘Only by being a truly democratic organisation, where every member’s vote is equal and all MPs – from leader down to backbencher – are required to face a regular ballot of all party members to keep their endorsements, can Labor restore its ethical base. Only through such a transparent process will Labor again attract people of strong character.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-must-get-to-the-heart-of-the-rot-and-its-not-all-about-obeid-20130228-2f956.html#ixzz2ME0lZxXc

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2013 10:53 am

    I see you saw what I did, KL … but under the circumstances let it ride …

    I guess my anger came from being the son of a wife beater (and I didn’t get off scott free as a child – thretened to kill him if he ever did it again when I was 22 – and he never did)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    egg, re China (and your link) … China has been slently nibbling away for decades … surely you’ve read my posts re China Towns in every capital city? China is “invading” the world commercially … and its Western greed that has allowed it to happen … ironic … hey?

    I also saw the Chinese in action in business … I had “two” Chinese clients … the first signed a contract – literally – and then cancelled when someone offered him $100 less (a $10000 contract!) … the second we assisted to become a Recognised Training Organisation here in Oz … the plan was that we were then to go to China and set up Training/Assessment Centres … all above board and governmnet OK’d (both) … I then found out he was using my name, quailifications and contact details on his web and advertising materials … never agreed to and certainly not what I wanted at the time … he agreed to pay me $1000 per month … after ten months with no payment I told him to remove my details … I set the dogs on him and recieved an $8000 payment (you can’t chase less than $2000 … no point – clever) … six months later his colleague rang to see if I would help him with some work … you can guess the answer …

    The other thing that annoyed me was his constant “in China friends help each other – no pay” … and we did a few freebies, I liked him but it was business … pity I would have liked to visit China* … much more to the story … but be wary … Chinese in business have no scruples …

    Tell your grandchildren that they will have to make a choice one day … China or Islam … I know which one I’d pick …

    (I was told that “when we go to China you say nothing unless I ask you a question” … that gives you some idea of modus operandi…)

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2013 10:54 am

    thretened!!!

    I see my spelling’s improved 🙄

  141. March 1, 2013 12:12 pm

    LOL, agree. lt shows who the cranks are. 🙂
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/gay-teen-worried-he-might-be-christian,2888/

  142. el gordo permalink
    March 1, 2013 1:03 pm

    Thanx TB, always nice to have the inside story from our reporters on the ground

    Between China and Islam, between a rock and a hard place, there is no third way.

  143. el gordo permalink
    March 1, 2013 1:09 pm

    ‘The meteorite that crashed on Russia was hit by an unidentified flying object causing it to explode and shatter over the Urals, it has been claimed.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286035/Did-UFO-shoot-Russian-meteorite-blasting-smithereens-Now-conspiracy-theorists-launch-extraordinary-claims-new-footage-emerges.html#ixzz2MFYOiYNc
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  144. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2013 5:01 pm

    A BRAVE NEW NODDY NEWMAN WORLD

    Sell! Sell! Sell!

    BIG business has welcomed a report calling for mass asset sales and outsourcing of services in Queensland, but critics are outraged and the opposition says the state is up for sale.
    The executive summary of the Commission of Audit, headed by former federal treasurer Peter Costello, was released on Friday.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/industry-group-supports-qld-asset-sales/story-e6frfku9-1226588285691

    The primary reason for Anna bLie’s exit was her asset sales!

    If Tony Abbott & The Acolytes pull on the jackboots – expect more … NATIONALLY …

    … they don’t need to selll the people’s, OUR, assets they need to employ qualified managers!

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 1, 2013 5:45 pm

    “… they don’t need to selll the people’s, OUR, assets they need to employ qualified managers!”

    You know it would be a big help if the ALP did not trash the budget every time they are in power. In case you have forgotten Beatty/Bligh racked up a mountain of debt and QLD lost its credit rating during the biggest mining boom in Australian history.

    So much for those who said Costello only paid off debt because of the mining boom. Qld only racked it up during this boom.

  146. March 1, 2013 5:49 pm

    Exactly, Govts too stupid or too corrupt just fire-sale everything. lf they had a tenth of the `management` or `leadership` skills they claim they have, the Govt assets would have just had the `dead-wood-management` removed and replaced with proper viable management.

  147. March 1, 2013 5:54 pm

    ” big help if the ALP did not trash the budget every time”
    l hear ya neil. The problem is usually the other lot starve and run-down the system or infrastructure, instead of keeping things maintained or expanded as needed.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2013 6:41 pm

    So much for those who said Costello only paid off debt because of the mining boom. Qld only racked it up during this boom.

    Costello and Howard sold off the farm too … remember telstra used to be owned by the people?

    In case you have forgotten Beatty/Bligh racked up a mountain of debt and QLD lost its credit rating during the biggest mining boom in Australian history.

    Please COMPREHEND my posts, neil

    “””The primary reason for Anna bLie’s exit was her asset sales!””” in my post above yours …

  149. March 1, 2013 7:07 pm

    Didn`t captain blie sell of the power stations.?

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2013 7:36 pm

    Didn`t captain blie sell of the power stations.?

    Nup … just opened the door to “retailers” another tier of profiteers … no wonder power prices have risen 99% in five years …

    Energex and Ergon (the two energy suppliers) are still Queensland government owned …

    IMO there are certain core/essential services that should be government owned … power is one of them … however, public servants, generally, make lousy managers … and many managers – in all government and private industries are simply not trained in management … they often reach their managers role under Peter’s Principle … promoted to their level of incompetence (usually by other incompetents) …

    Governments all over the world have abrogated their responsibility to provide power, water, health & medical services, communication infrastructure – in Australia the ADF have private security guards at the gates of army bases????

    Incompetence and Uber Kapitalism run wild …

  151. March 1, 2013 8:25 pm

    Putt’s Law:

    “Technology is dominated by two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage and those who manage what they do not understand.”
    .
    “First Corollary to Putt’s Law”:

    “Every technical hierarchy, in time, develops a competence inversion.”
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putt%27s_Law

  152. March 1, 2013 8:42 pm

    The Dilbert principle, by contrast, assumes that hierarchy just serves as a means for removing the incompetent to “higher” positions where they will be unable to cause damage to the workflow, assuming that the upper echelons of an organization have little relevance to its actual production, and that the majority of real, productive work in a company is done by people lower in the power ladder.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dilbert_Principle
    .
    this one is true, l`ve seen it used

  153. Tom of Meobourne permalink
    March 4, 2013 11:05 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/former-qantas-chief-strong-dies-20130304-2ff3b.html

    Former Qantas chief Strong dies

    That’s quite big news. James Strong was certainly a polarising figure, his public image of a bow tie wearing pretty face belied his thoroughly tough nature.

    I thought he did a pretty good job during his 8 year tenure as CEO, and changed Qantas from an offshoot of the public service into something that looked a little more like an airline.

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2013 11:06 am

    Blame the typos

  155. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 4, 2013 11:20 am

    Looks like the Lying Rodent may yet hold high office again.

  156. el gordo permalink
    March 5, 2013 3:53 pm

    In this day and age….

    “And frankly adults should be able to choose. They’re not going in blind. I don’t know why this day in age something like this, a film that’s using sex not for titillation but to talk about being human is being banned.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/franco-slams-australias-embarrassing-gay-film-ban-20130305-2fhrq.html#ixzz2MdbJV2nr

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2013 4:04 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/jill-meagher-was-raped-three-times-before-murder-court-hears-20130305-2fhwt.html

    Jill Meagher was raped three times before murder, court hears

    As I may have commented before, anyone convicted of a violent sexual crime should be required to wear a tracking device for a decade beyond nay prison term, probation or other penalty.

    I’m at a loss as to why politicians don’t use some technology to protect the vulnerable in society.

  158. el gordo permalink
    March 8, 2013 7:07 am

    ‘THE good news is red wine can cure cancer. The bad news is you’d need to drink 100 glasses a day.

    ‘While David Sinclair doesn’t recommend that, his work has shown that red wine can have health benefits after all. And if things go to plan, they’ll be available in a `red wine pill’.

    John Ross in the Oz

  159. el gordo permalink
    March 8, 2013 7:45 am

    ‘Squeezed incomes: British workers have seen their wages plummet further than any other developed country, according to the TUC

    ‘Meanwhile wages in Australia and Canada grew by 6.9 per cent and 5.4 per cent respectively.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-2289551/TUC-UK-workers-suffer-sharpest-wage-fall-developed-country.html#ixzz2MtAKveCP
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  160. March 8, 2013 8:59 am

    “THE good news is red wine can cure cancer. The bad news is you’d need to drink 100 glasses a day.”

    That’s not bad news. That’s a target!

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2013 11:47 am

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/thousands-of-sharks-spotted-near-shore/story-e6frfq80-1226592980540

    Thousands of sharks swarm beaches

    I know its Florida, but I’m not fond of sharing water with thousands of sharks.

    On that subject, I think WA is full of strange, narrow minded people, and the best thing about Perth is that it is so far away that they don’t really both to visit the civilised parts of the country. Shark attacks are becoming quite common in the WA waters. I’m not particularly bothered about that.
    ———————
    100 glasses of red is a stretch!

    I’ll just continue with the medicinal level of consumption for prevention.

  162. el gordo permalink
    March 10, 2013 8:36 am

    ‘In the past 12 months, 400 Romanians and Bulgarians have moved into the block of 46 flats in Rheinhausen, a once-respectable suburb of the German city of Duisburg. Local officials claim they have migrated here en masse in anticipation of the social welfare they will be entitled to next year.

    ‘From January 2014, all 29 million citizens of Romania and Bulgaria will gain full rights to live, work and claim benefits here under EU ‘freedom of movement’ rules.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290480/Romanian-migrants-blamed-rise-crime-German-town-Duisburg.html#ixzz2N54MP2CR
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