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Why Leadership Matters: Return to Rudd

February 23, 2013

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The following piece is a guest post from Tom of Melbourne…

The ALP Government is fractured, headed for defeat. This situation is a function of the current inept leadership of Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan.

If leaders of any organisation can’t build trust, confidence and a sense of alignment, they fail.  Leadership isn’t just about doing things, developing policy or making announcements – they’re activities. Leadership has more to do with creating trust, or offering a better, stable future. It’s “the vision thing” – the messages of leaders have to resonate.

Gillard can’t do it, and these days, no one listens anyway.

The choice isn’t between Gillard and Abbott isn’t a choice worth making. Vote 1 – Informal, is the most ethical selection at the moment.

With the ALP headed for electoral disaster, the choice is one for the ALP. They can choose Rudd.

A “Return to Rudd” (R2R) campaign would kick start an electoral comeback. With the range of ministerial hacks that would self-select out, a Rudd Government would look bright, young and fresh.

On the policy front, Rudd has proven to be more humane towards asylum seekers, less dogmatic about marriage equality. He would be more credible in reviewing carbon/emission policy; he is likely to be determined and capable of proving a point about the MRRT.

Rudd’s policy strengths put the harsh spotlight on Gillard’s weaknesses.

Rudd is capable of cutting through an allegedly belligerent press gallery, he can connect to the electorate – giving them a sense of optimism and building trust.

Returning to Rudd would stop the leak of votes to the Greens and claw back the middle ground. An ALP government under Rudd is likely to be more progressive than the current tired, moribund one.

Gillard has had her opportunity and she has failed. She deserves no more sympathy than she provided to her predecessor.

It’s time for Gillard to get out of the way and allow the electorate to return to the leadership they prefer – Rudd.

 

 

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  1. el gordo permalink
    February 23, 2013 6:16 pm

    ‘He would be more credible in reviewing carbon/emission policy;’

    Yes perhaps, but I want to see something in writing or he could say…

    “The head of the Klimatariat, a railway engineer from India, says global warming stopped 17 years ago. So we have decided to scrap the carbon tax.”

    Its the only way he’ll get my vote.

  2. February 23, 2013 6:26 pm

    “Gillard has had her opportunity and she has failed. She deserves no more sympathy than she provided to her predecessor.”

    I agree wholeheartedly…!

    Gillard has no chance of winning the next election. She’s finished…

    We’ve seen “real Julia,” “fake Julia,” and now “everyone hates Julia.”

    She’s beyond salvation. She has to go.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2013 7:48 pm

    Couple of things ToM … (remember I gave you my creds – and still nowt from you) …

    It’s time for Gillard to get out of the way and allow the electorate to return to the leadership they prefer – Rudd.

    You prefer Rudd and the loaded question polls prefer Rudd and the Liberal Party prefer Rudd and News Ltd prefer Rudd … BECAUSE if they stir up a challenge … well it needs no imagination to see what the bunch I listed a bove woud do …

    Mate, you’re no more a Labor supporter (ex or suffix) than Christine Milne … you ARE a cleverly disguised – well not so cleverly) Liberal supporter … not ONCE in the … mm … six years I’ve been “battling” with you have I seen a post criticising Abbott … not once …

    Let me break down this paragraph for you …

    If leaders of any organisation can’t build trust, confidence and a sense of alignment, they fail.

    I agree … that’s exactly what Hitler did …

    Leadership isn’t just about doing things, developing policy or making announcements – they’re activities.

    I agree BUT that’s what leaders are employed to do ACHIEVE! … you say – “isn’t just” – and once again I agree … but achievement of goals is why we elect politicians and appoint CEO’s … a leader who builds trust but doesn’t do anything is a fkn failure … Howard and Custard didn’t actually “do” anything they just collected the money rolling in (and thank goodness they did – in their ignorance … only a few of us predicted the GFC!)

    Leadership has more to do with creating trust, or offering a better, stable future. It’s “the vision thing” – the messages of leaders have to resonate.

    Have you ever watched and listened to Abbott, Hockey, Andrews, Hunt, Bishop … FMD! … and not ONCE ant criticism from you!

    The ALP needs to stop crip[pling itself with self imposed limits of advertising its successes and get a new bloody PR team. the one they employ now are wankers …

    At least the Libs have got you, ToMMy … 😉

    Apologies for typos … just enjoying the last of the Moet & Chandon … *clink*

    ToM … re your guest post … NYC … 🙂

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 7:51 pm

    Nice photo of Kev, it shows that he is a man of sophistication! The common touch.
    =======
    Rudd could move from the carbon tax to the market price, quickly. This would retain credibility and ease price pressure.

    The consequential revenue/tax shortfall can be blamed on Swan. Everyone’s a winner!

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2013 7:58 pm

    he is a man of sophistication! The common touch.

    LOL! Make yer mind up!

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 8:02 pm

    TB, I find it pointless to speculate about my motives for political orientation, or yours.

    A Rudd Government would clearly be different to the current shambolic one. It wouldn’t have Swan, for a start.

    The other benefit of Rudd is that he would take on the likes of Howes and the hacks. That’s something that just about every traditional ALP supporter would welcome. A new Rudd Government would be different, more coherent than the last one.

    As a matter of interest, I became friendly with one of Rudd’s principal advisors a while ago, he/she rejected the stories about Rudd’s behaviour and demands.

  7. February 23, 2013 8:15 pm

    “just enjoying the last of the Moet & Chandon”

    How long has the bottle been left open in the fridge…?

  8. February 23, 2013 8:23 pm

    “achievement of goals is why we elect politicians and appoint CEO’s … a leader who builds trust but doesn’t do anything is a fkn failure …”

    I agree a little bit TB, but when people vote, they’ll be voting for the person that “they like,” the person “they can trust.”

    A lot of people simply don’t like Gillard, and I suspect she’s never really gathered much of a following since she deposed Kevin Rudd.

    People also hate Tony Abbott, but the fact he is now in an election winning position, and has been for some two years now, it seems popular sentiment has moved into the realms of “anyone but Gillard” (ABG), and frankly who can blame them….

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2013 8:25 pm

    How long has the bottle been left open in the fridge…?

    sreb, do not everyone by your own antiquated standards … a good bubbly will sit in the fridge for at least three days … but these days youcan purchase champagne stoppers in stainless steel that work “magically” …

    Two days stoppered …

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2013 8:25 pm

    do not everyone

    Where the fk did “judge” go?

  11. el gordo permalink
    February 23, 2013 8:25 pm

    ‘Rudd could move from the carbon tax to the market price, quickly. This would retain credibility and ease price pressure.’

    That would be okay, but its still no good. As I mentioned before ToM, the theory that CO2 causes global warming has proved to be false and the null hypothesis is back in play.

    Our star was probably the cause of warming at the end of last century, so I won’t be voting for anyone who disagrees.

  12. February 23, 2013 8:28 pm

    Well I don’t know about you TB, but a good bubbly wouldn’t last three days in my fridge….! 🙂

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 8:49 pm

    I had a rather big night last night, but still a good 05 Coonawarra shiraz.

    …for a hard earned thirst

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 8:52 pm

    ‘but still quaffing a good 05 Coonawarra shiraz’

    It’s obviously already having the desired effect.

  15. February 23, 2013 8:53 pm

    LOL! 🙂

  16. February 23, 2013 9:15 pm

    Nice go at a post yomm,
    ” Returning to Rudd would stop the leak of votes to the Greens”
    .
    but l really doubt this, as l said elsewhere, many will be reverse voting, putting duopoly last and hoping to have Independents/Greens to vote for.
    .
    Returning Rudd won`t cut it for me. While l didn`t vote for Kevin07, l did want to vote for Kevin11, but Joolya and ALP took that away. Kevin13 or Joolya13 will stay near the bottom for me.

  17. February 23, 2013 9:27 pm

    ” If leaders of any organisation can’t build trust, confidence and a sense of alignment, they fail.”
    This would apply to the zombie-party too yomm
    .
    ” Leadership isn’t just about doing things, developing policy or making announcements – they’re activities. Leadership has more to do with creating trust, or offering a better, stable future. It’s “the vision thing” – the messages of leaders have to resonate.”
    and surely this would also apply to Mr-Rabbit, the puppet-master Credlin and the zombie-party. They are still offering zip too.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 9:32 pm

    Rudd would definitely lead the reform of the ALP if he won the election.

    If he loses it will be reformed under a different leader. If Gillard stays, it will be reformed, with lots of acrimony and off a very low level of representation.

    The best way to get reform is with Rudd.

    …and anyway Gillard is a proven liar.

    (I love red)

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 9:41 pm

    Like it or not 730, leaders create unity of purpose.

    That’s their job.

    Gillard has proved to be a failure…but I really don’t care that much. They’re welcome to stick with Gillarad.

    The ALP is welcome to follow her over the cliff.

  20. February 23, 2013 9:54 pm

    “The ALP is welcome to follow her over the cliff.”

    Hear hear…!

  21. February 23, 2013 10:01 pm

    so reb, are you drinking tea nowadays.?

  22. February 23, 2013 10:02 pm

    yomm, your complaints about Joolya are equally applicable to Mr-Rabbit

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2013 10:20 pm

    730 – Abbott isn’t in the same position, but he would be if his leadership was leading his party to likely defeat.

    At the moment, Abbott only has to point out the disconnection Gillard has with the electorate.

    That resonates.

  24. el gordo permalink
    February 23, 2013 11:09 pm

    ‘Rudd has proven to be more humane towards asylum seekers,’

    This maybe true, but it won’t help his chances of being reelected.

    The problem for Labor, no matter who leads the party at the next election, is that they will have to pinch some of Abbott’s platform and present it as their own.

    On asylum seekers Rudd could be forced to do something drastic if he’s serious about Labor being elected. Abbott may pay Indonesian and Sri Lankan authorities handsomely to stop boat people coming here. Will Rudd match him and steal his thunder?

  25. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 23, 2013 11:41 pm

    Rudd can save a lot of furniture. I don’t think he can win though. Queen slanders are not held in great esteem in Sydney / NSW.

    Wadya reckon eg?

    He was a very popular leader until it came out how much any climate change measures would cost the average household. I never thought it was about whether it was about his dropping his ets. It was when he was pressed on costs for a household.

    He went straight over a cliff when he uttered the $1200 per year figure .

    I suppose he/it can now be argued that Gillard “owns” that now.

    He could win I suppose but I doubt in NSW

    Labor is Bhopal Toxic here.

    And our ICAC continues soon.

  26. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 23, 2013 11:50 pm

    Labor Senator Matt Thistlewaite was on Skynews today admitting and condemning leaks from the ALP caucus about the leadership.

    What a fucking bullshit artist he is.

    TomR assures us constantly no such thing is happening and it’s a media beat
    up.

    Fucking unbelievable lies everywhere

  27. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 12:37 am

    ‘Queen slanders’

    LOL

    There is little chance that Western Sydney will be swayed by Rudd’s return, they want progress and Labor has nothing on offer.

  28. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 24, 2013 12:42 am

    Besides

    Queensland and north NSW are such a collection of hicks rednecks hasbeens of nothing and elderly whiners

    Who cares how they vote. They’ll still whinge.

    No one cares about them

  29. Evil Walrus permalink
    February 24, 2013 12:44 am

    Good to see you are up eg

    About to head off now

    I think ICAC starts again this week maybe next.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2013 10:24 am

    Well I don’t know about you TB, but a good bubbly wouldn’t last three days in my fridge….!

    Normally not in mine, either, sreb! But Moet needs to be “savoured” not “guzzled’!

    BTW, I watched 3/4 of, “Flight”, yeterday (thanks to my personal film distributor, KL, many ta’s again 🙂 ) … we will finish this arvo … (teppanyaki lunch today) …

    Anyhoo, we turned the thing off, out of boredom – its so fkn tedious … we’ll watch just to hope see if there’s a sting in the tail … I’m not expecting much … I’m still looking for the “moral” stand from the director too (if there is one) …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    yomm, your complaints about Joolya are equally applicable to Mr-Rabbit

    And, Abbott, was never effective in the ministries he held in fact very ineffective …

    Ya don’t suppose its ’cause Abbott walks about like a bloody gorilla and Gillard has boobs do you?

    Because Julia Gillard’s government has achieved a lot while in power … I agree there is a “disconnect” as ToM puts it but a lot of that is baggage piled high on personality by the LibNits … throwing mud is easier than wiping it off …

    My biggest bitch is the wankers like Paul Howes trying to run the show … they need to go and play in the sand pit and let the adults do some work …

    … and the ALP needs to re-establish itself with its original values (ie for people who aren’t creaming the country but trying to make a decent living) but redrawn for a modern Australia … eg make the Republic part of its platform … it is a national issue after all …

  31. February 24, 2013 11:15 am

    Won’t work either way. With Rudd it will be the anti-Rudd faction destabilising. With Gillard it will be the anti-Gillard faction doing the same. Fundamentally this is and ideological/factional schism. The factions and the unions still want to retain their influence and their is a real need for reform to make the party more representative of its supporters.
    Without some unity NOW, and a real desire to reform Labor is destined to lose this next election so badly that they will be relegated to a rump party for years.
    Given the Phoney Tony and the NO Coalition alternative this is a frightening scenario for Australia — 3/4 terms of a NO Coalition government.
    I’m hopeful that Labor will get its act together but fear that it is too far down the track of complete party chaos.
    This is one very disenchanted Union member, Labor voter who will vote Labor in September because the alternative is too frightening to contemplate (but probably a lost cause). Were there a viable alternative Labor would not get my vote as it currently stands!

  32. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 11:32 am

    ‘Without some unity NOW, and a real desire to reform Labor is destined to lose this next election so badly that they will be relegated to a rump party for years.’

    Agreed, that’s why I’m appealing for a compromise candidate.

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2013 11:52 am

    “With Rudd it will be the anti-Rudd faction destabilising.”

    Rudd would go to the polls quickly, he isn’t committed to a September election. The hacks wouldn’t have time to destabalise. A win would put Rudd in an unassailable position.

    A loss by either Rudd or Gillard would result in recriminations, but Rudd is likely to suffer a narrower loss than Gillard.

    Gillard has proved to be a failure on the 3 policies she nominated for herself as requiring correction – asylum seekers< MRRT, carbon/emissions)

    Gillard has had her chance, she’s had as long as she gave Rudd and she has the ALP in a far worse position. She deserves the same fate.

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2013 11:54 am

    Gillard’s government has achieved a lot while in power

    Really? and as I pointed out, Gillard has failed in the 3 policies she set herself.

    SCORE HER E-

  35. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 2:30 pm

    ‘A loss by either Rudd or Gillard would result in recriminations, but Rudd is likely to suffer a narrower loss than Gillard.’

    Yes, but the factional wars would resume anew… this must be avoided.

    Is there anyone else besides Gillard and Rudd that the backbench might accept as a compromise candidate?

    http://www.alp.org.au/federal-government/minister/

    The electorate has already ‘factored in’ that Labor will lose by a large margin, so we have nothing to lose by choosing a clean skin, a man without blemish, who can quickly put together a revolutionary platform.

    The Ruddster might do it, but if he lost by even a small margin ….the recriminations would begin again.

  36. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 4:15 pm

    They should retain Ferguson, Bowen, Smith, Crean and Carr from the front bench. Gray and Bradbury would be promoted.

    All the others could be disappeared and replaced with capable back benches, factional brawling would become old hat.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2013 4:30 pm

    Were there a viable alternative Labor would not get my vote as it currently stands!

    Hear! Hear! to all of dekafs post …

  38. February 24, 2013 5:08 pm

    The crusade will be formed in dennison and launch to sea early august. They will come ashore in gelibrand and unite with like-minded crusaders. Once united, they will charge north overwhelming all who stand before them.
    .
    From the north, the noddy battalions will charge south, clubbing all who oppose them with cane-toads. Canberrra will be surrounded, and Mr-Rabbit will be unanimously installed as king in boganville castle.
    .
    fairy tales and teabag-tails

  39. February 25, 2013 6:18 am

    Rudd’s policy strengths put the harsh spotlight on Gillard’s weaknesses.

    This is obviously a strong held belief by the author

    Either that, or is it concern trolling?

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2010 10:50 pm

    I find it hilarious that the ALP zealots flay around with excuses for the incompetence of the government.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20100614055632/http://guttertrash.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/weekend-gab-fest-37/#comment-29480

    Same story, different PM. Yea, right yomm, I believes ya. You’re all about ‘the Party’

    It’s a shame you deleted the whole site reb, imagine the pearlers we could have come up with if it was all available 😉

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 7:48 am

    You should try to relax Tom R. I doubt whether there is anyone one on this blog who is unaware of my years of criticism of the ALP. You’ve hardly pointed to an ‘exclusive’

    But in comparison to Gillard, Rudd was outstanding…and as I’ve pointed out, he has the advantage of a history of more compassion on asylum seekers and a more progressive approach on marriage…and he’d punish the hacks. That would represent some justice.

    But I’m really not particularly bothered, you’re welcome to walk over the cliff with Gillard, and spend a few years blaming the media.

  41. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 8:25 am

    I doubt whether there is anyone one on this blog who is unaware of my years of criticism of the ALP.

    Perhaps not, although, if that is the case, it does say a lot if they are taking this post seriously.

    I note TB was less than impressed 😉

    Personally, all it looks like to me is a desperate attempt to get grattans old gig. Same theme, different cadence.

  42. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 8:50 am

    ‘I note TB was less than impressed.’

    Yeah, but unlike you he’s not totally rusted on.

  43. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 8:53 am

    Yeah, but unlike you he’s not totally rusted on.

    More likely he is not taken in so easily.

    Although, I don’t think that you are that much of a sucker wither. More that you appreciate the concern trolling for what it is, as it mirrors your own efforts.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 8:55 am

    TB swings between grumpy and particularly grumpy.

    I blame the polyester underwear.

  45. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 9:03 am

    TB swings between grumpy and particularly grumpy.

    And you appear to swing between hating Labor and FUCKING hating Labor 😉

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 9:44 am

    That maybe a fact, I’m not fond of the ALP hack infested structure, which has been the consistent feature of my commentary.

    (and I don’t recall that I’ve used the term “Juliar”, as a correct to your allegation)

  47. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 9:58 am

    (and I don’t recall that I’ve used the term “Juliar”, as a correct to your allegation)

    😯

  48. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:05 am

    ‘More that you appreciate the concern trolling for what it is’

    Concerned Trolling is an honoured profession… as you will eventually recognise with my effort on CC.

  49. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:13 am

    as you will eventually recognise with my effort on CC.

    eventually? 😯

    It was pretty obvious from very early on grodo. Hence the years of ridicule.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:22 am

    Have I used the term “Juliar”? I’ve considered that to be hackneyed. But you have a history of making stuff up about my orientation.

    Tom R’s strategy for the government – http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Qrk_nXR7E3A/UHr11eyqKWI/AAAAAAAAHng/OMDPUB1kC98/s1600/fall-off-cliff.jpg

  51. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:31 am

    Have I used the term “Juliar”?

    Who said you did?

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:45 am

    I thought you had assigned the word to me, at AIMN.

    Apologies if you didn’t. You do tend to make up most stuff though.

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:47 am

    I thought you had assigned the word to me, at AIMN.

    😆

    You do tend to make up most stuff though.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  54. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:48 am

    Apology accepted 😉

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2013 10:54 am

    “And you appear to swing between hating Labor and FUCKING hating Labor”

    That attitude is strong evidence of sanity. Look a the behaviour of this federal government!

    What makes it worse is the incessant chattering of the troupe of trolls who can’t find any fault at all with the lunatic numbskulls running the country.

    I was reading about toad brains and how they have a reflex so that when something tasty flies by the tongue goes out. There is no higher level thought involved which is why the tongue moves so quickly. This skill is obviously Tom R’s default mode of political discourse.

    And if you live in NSW you have an even deeper appreciation of Unionland corruption.

    So to any sane person the two options above are the only possible rational responses to Gillard and the union fuckwits who keep her in power.

  56. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 11:13 am

    What makes it worse is the incessant chattering of the troupe of trolls who can’t find any fault at all with the lunatic numbskulls running the country.

    As I’ve said to others, you need to be more widely read 😉

    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/cafe-talk-ixx/#comment-138423

  57. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 11:14 am

    ‘It was pretty obvious from very early on grodo. Hence the years of ridicule.’

    That’s funny.

    When I first brought up my global cooling meme everyone laughed and it seemed I had discovered a natural talent. Obviously its all fallen flat since the world has failed to warm.

    Ridicule and abuse is now the cross I have to bare.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 11:26 am

    Tom R, it’s not much use pointing to a link where some of us are prevented from replying and testing your views.

  59. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 11:43 am

    I agree with ToM.

  60. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 11:51 am

    it’s not much use pointing to a link where some of us are prevented from replying and testing your views.

    True, providing links with evidence is pointless amongst some.

    Obviously its all fallen flat since the world has failed to warm.

    Statistically insignificant warming, while still warming, is definitely not ‘cooling’

    Unfortunately, this latest failure to recognize such a simple point is a stark reminder of your attitude

  61. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 12:08 pm

    ‘Statistically insignificant warming, while still warming, is definitely not ‘cooling’.

    Tell that to a northern hemispherian, should get lots of laffs.

  62. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 12:12 pm

    Tell that to a northern hemispherian

    You really are beyond help, aren’t you?

    global cooling meme

  63. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2013 12:14 pm

    “Statistically insignificant warming, while still warming”

    Statistical insignificance means, in this case, that the results do not support a conclusion that warming is occurring. But don’t let pesky things like logic stop you. That has never happened with you before, so why start now, eh?

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 12:30 pm

    Asylum seeker policy on its own represents sufficient reason to dump Gillard.

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/hell-on-nauru-revealed-20130224-2ezox.html

    Gillard promised to fix asylum seeker policy – that was one of the 3 reasons she knifed Rudd. She has failed on the other 2 policies too, but they’re not driving people to suicide.

    She is dishonest and without conscience. Gillard will lose the election, hand government to Abbott and her followers will figure out how “to blame the media”

    (by the way, this article is typical of the swing to “the right” by Fairfax)

  65. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 12:40 pm

    Statistical insignificance means, in this case, that the results do not support a conclusion that warming is occurring.

    I’ll defer to the experts, again 😉

    When you read Phil Jones’ actual words, you see he’s saying there is a warming trend but it’s not statistically significant. He’s not talking about whether warming is actually happening. He’s discussing our ability to detect that warming trend in a noisy signal over a short period.

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=138

  66. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 12:47 pm

    For Christ’s sake Tommo, this is not the time or the thread but the head of the IPCC says its been flat and in the face of rising emissions.

    It stands to reason, if the warmista can’t conjure up an El Nino soon then the games up. The central Pacific shows no sign of El Nino, which may have given you more breathing space.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 1:33 pm

    If Gillard was so committed to a carbon tax/price, why did she spend the entire 2010 election trying to fudge the policy?

    She looked for every mechanism to duck it.

    She even advised Rudd to dump it. Just before she knifed him.

    I think Rudd would quickly nove to a market, and reduce the price to much closer to zero.

    Gillard chose to trash Rudd’s role and legacy as PM, I’d like to see him return the favour.

  68. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 1:45 pm

    ‘I think Rudd would quickly nove to a market, and reduce the price to much closer to zero.’

    Won’t be enough ToM, he would need to go one better than Abbott. I know its risky strategy, but Rudd really has to come clean on global warming.

  69. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 2:15 pm

    why did she spend the entire 2010 election trying to fudge the policy?

    The Fudge Factory

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 2:30 pm

    Tom R, you know I don’t really bother to argue endlessly about the “there will be no carbon tax…” commitment. There is nothing new to say about it.

    Her fudging was all those other bits of the policy that she used to neutralise the opposition. You know-
    • No change before 30 June 2013
    • Building the policy throughout this term of government
    • Having a representative community forum

    There were 4 planks to the carbon emissions policy, and she failed to deliver on each. The 3 listed above were clear fudges, she was stupid to make those commitments and deserves criticism for this… and the great news is that she can also be criticised for abandoning them.

    It all reflects on her ineptitude incompetence.

  71. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 2:47 pm

    she was stupid to make those commitments and deserves criticism for this

    I AGREE!

    But, considering that none of the ‘political debate’ within our msm has focused on this, it is irrelevant. They have stuck to the ‘she lied’ tag and ignored the minutiae. They could always do what you are trying to do I guess, and just say “I acknowledge she promised a Carbon Price, but she’s a liar, so let’s apply that tag those other commitments she hasn’t held to”

    But then that would be deceitful itself, wouldn’t it? 😉

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 3:14 pm

    I AGREE!

    That’s great! So you support the Return of Rudd too??

  73. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2013 3:34 pm

    So you support the Return of Rudd too??

    Don’t get ahead of yourself yomm 😉

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2013 3:48 pm

    That’s great! So you support the Return of Rudd too??

    Still plutting words in people’s mouths I see … while putting feet in yer own … tiresome stuff …

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2013 3:56 pm

    Try cotton underwear TB, you’ll notice the difference.

    The 100% polyester seems to be irritatiting you.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2013 5:37 pm

    Not my underdaks wot’s irritating … you might need to change yours though … I can smell BS across two state borders … 😉

  77. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 7:53 am

    If I were Kev I would sit on my hands.

    http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/02/26/1226585/561009-aus-na-file-federal-newspoll.pdf

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2013 8:11 am

    More manipulation from the media/polling conspiracy. Gillard remains deeply unpopular, ALP languishes.

    Why oh why don’t people understand?

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2013 8:47 am

    Actually the polls are now driving Prime Ministerial behaviour – she is going to blitz Western Sydney for five days. The reason being that if she does not improve the ALP’s standing in the polls, and pronto, she will be given the arse.

  80. February 26, 2013 9:24 am

    Splatterbottom

    February 25, 2013 10:54 am

    “That attitude is strong evidence of sanity. Look a the behaviour of this federal government!
    What makes it worse is the incessant chattering of the troupe of trolls who can’t find any fault at all with the lunatic numbskulls running the country”

    Great summary!

  81. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:54 am

    Always a pleasure to see you here Treeman.

  82. February 26, 2013 7:07 pm

    Simon Crean is already conceding defeat..


    Labor frontbencher Simon Crean has once again had blunt words to say about the latest opinion polls, telling reporters that Labor cannot win on their current primary vote.

    “You can’t win with a 31 per cent primary vote,” he said on Tuesday, before adding: “But that’s not where we expect to be in September.”

    While Labor is usually reserved when commenting on polls, Mr Crean conceded that if Labor did not focus on issues like the economy, it would “continue to go round in circles”.
    Last week, the Fairfax/Nielsen poll put the Opposition in front, 54 per cent to 46 per cent. At the time Mr Crean said the poll results were a “wake-up call”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pm-moves-into-western-sydney-in-burb-blitz-20130226-2f2n1.html#ixzz2LzSx72e8

  83. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 7:43 pm

    Crean was talking to the Rudd camp a couple of weeks ago and the outward impression is that he’s loyal to Gillard, but appearances can be deceiving and I suspect he has stitched up a deal with the other side just in case.

    He can bring numbers, presumably.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2013 7:55 pm

    Simon Crean is already conceding defeat..

    And someone here was “selecting” Crean a s a possible ALP leader again? FMD what a no-hoper the election is seven fkn months away!

    Wondered where you’d got to, Blogmaester! Noice ta see ya!

  85. February 26, 2013 8:07 pm

    Thanks TB. I’ve started a new job this week, so been a bit busy…

    Would you believe I’m now working in Psychology…?

    Plenty of case study material around these parts…. 😉

  86. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 8:48 pm

    The watermelons declare themselves a rump.

    ‘The Greens have moved to distance themselves from the major parties after the poll.

    ‘Greens Leader Christine Milne said Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has damaged Labor’s support by travelling around the country making “wild claims” about carbon pricing.’

    From Mather and Keen in the Fin

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:00 pm

    Would you believe I’m now working in Psychology…?

    Not part of a study – I hope – you may develop something!

    If not – I agree …

    Plenty of case study material around these parts….

    Yep – paranoia, anxiety, schizophrenia, delusional, alcoholism, exhibitionism (where is Wally?) , ALL the phobias are here …. they just don’t know it … :lol;

    I see a lifetime (and beyond) of employment here for you!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:18 pm

    All joking aside, very pleased for you, sreb (bet I know who is is too!) …

    … myTeutonic friend is still looking for work … and he’s very experienced/ qualified/talented … c’est la vie .. its 2013 …

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:22 pm

    Psychology!! That’s handy.
    ——–
    I think Simon might just be presenting himself to be drafted! He would salvage a few seats, stop a collapse, no one would feel the need to punish him. A respectable end to his career.

    …but I PREFER RUDD

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:33 pm

    Oh, dear! ToM’s got a Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Ball out! Snigger! 🙄

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, whatever happened to the high school kid from Sydenee .. wot woz ‘is name again …

  91. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:43 pm

    Nils was his name and he lives at Menzies House.

  92. February 26, 2013 9:52 pm

    “Not part of a study – I hope”

    No, but I’ve heard that one can earn some extra cash on the side particiapting in trials of experimental drugs.

    I guess that explains Catching Up’s posts..

  93. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2013 10:12 pm

    “Nils was his name and he lives at Menzies House.

    What is Menzies House???

  94. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 26, 2013 10:18 pm

    OMFG! The Kneel..it lives!!!

    😯

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 26, 2013 10:24 pm

    Yes I am still alive.

    I must admit I am loving watching the ALP self implode.

    It is beautiful in its ugliness.

  96. February 26, 2013 10:48 pm

    I must admit I am loving watching Teabags watching the ALP self implode. The unhinging of both is beautiful.

  97. February 26, 2013 10:54 pm

    l noticed the Noddy of Victoria is making a dick-head out of himself over something or other on TV, didn`t get the full story, but he`s pissing folks off too. He`s following Queensland Noddy and helping Mr-Rabbits imagined `lead` melt away. Have fun until August teabags.

  98. February 26, 2013 10:59 pm

    Joolya`s ruffin it in the sydneee westeerrn subuurbs this week. Out an about showing the `workin-claarse` how a humble Lawyer earning 450K is so much like them, and provide crocodile tears for those whose welfare she just slashed.

  99. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 11:05 pm

    Down at the cafe this media conspiracy against the government is being discussed. They have already thrown in the towel and are bunkering down for a decade of fringe dwelling….we wuz robbed because of a biased msm.

  100. public toilet permalink
    February 26, 2013 11:11 pm

    It shits me that the biased meeja is going to be blamed.
    That won’t help Labor going forward at all.

    That’s exactly how the dismal, impending capitulation will be spun. Sure as defecation.

  101. February 26, 2013 11:21 pm

    l think you`ll find it will ultimately backfire dunny.

  102. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 7:55 am

    “It’s quite interesting from a sort pathological point of view, that the hatred for Rudd among some quarters in the Labor Party is greater than the natural human instinct for survival,” Malcolm Turnbull quipped.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2013 9:16 am

    Reports suggest that while Rudd will attract votes from the Liberals, a similar number will desert the ALP on a return.

    Really?

    Presumably this reporting is another media beat up, intended to keep Gillard in the job. No doubt the media doesn’t want Rudd to come back, they know that Abbott is finished if that happens!

  104. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 10:09 am

    ‘…they know that Abbott is finished if that happens!’

    It wouldn’t be the long anticipated rout, but Abbott has policy so he’ll have the Ruddster for dinner.

  105. February 27, 2013 10:13 am

    Goodness me..! The Gillard Cheer Club Blogs have certainly gone into a state of frenzied hysteria. It all amounts to a frenzied chatter of:

    1. How it’s all the media’s fault
    2. How it’s all Tony Abbott’s fault
    3. Repetition of the above two points ad nauseum

    Heaven forbid that Gillard could actually be responsible for her own sorry predicament… 🙄

  106. February 27, 2013 10:14 am

    Ditch the dud: Switch to Rudd!

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2013 10:58 am

    Oh dear, I’d stopped looking over there for weeks. It has been quite a relief.

    It is still all senseless “blame the media’ for the woes of the government when we have-
    • The “real Julia” now, rather than the fake one
    • Men, women and children arriving here and seeking our protection being sent to a hell hole
    • Many of the above attempting suicide
    • A few hundred unequivocal commitments to deliver a budget surplus
    • Bland excuses for not delivering a budget surplus
    • A mining tax that was forecast to deliver $2bn
    • It delivers about 10% of forecast
    • A mining tax that was a political fix, rather than the one recommended by the Henry Report
    • Each of the 4 planks of the carbon emissions election commitments specifically broken
    • A Prime Minister who has a history of policy incompetence
    • A Prime Minister who has a well-earned reputation for duplicity
    • A Prime Minister who appointed a proven sleazy rorter as Speaker
    • A Prime Minister who can’t even be trusted to deliver on her written agreements that put her into the lodge

    I’d like to know which of the above the press shouldn’t have reported.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:09 am

    This is like a slow motion train wreck. You want to look away but can’t. It doesn’t matter whose fault it is*, the sooner the locomotive grinds to a halt and labor starts cleaning up the mess the sooner they will regain a measure of respect. Sadly this is not about to happen – Gillard is fighting for her political life and the Unionland bosses who installed her will be seen as impotent if not irrelevant if they allow her to fall.

    So we will be treated to a circus of ever more desperate and bizarre stunts and, sooner or later, a bitter frothing meltdown of epic proportions. Then a smiling moon-faced dweeb will step forward to serve his party at the invitation of his grateful colleagues.

    *(although it is obvious that Gillard derailed the train when she executed Rudd and she has utterly failed to get it back on track)

  109. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:14 am

    ‘Ms Gillard will trade her Sydney digs – Harbourside Kirribilli House – for the Novotel at Rooty Hill RSL after a rally in Parramatta on Sunday night.’

    You have to admire the dud, her determination to win the un-winnable election… Gillard’s new glasses are a knock out.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:22 am

    Campaigning in western Sydney isn’t a strategy to win, it’s a strategy to retain enough seats to be regarded as a political party.

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:33 am

    Ditch the dud: Switch to Rudd! Nice double rhyme – very euphonious reb.

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2013 11:37 am

    No doubt the media doesn’t want Rudd to come back, they know that Abbott is finished if that happens!

    So you blame the meedja for manipulation too?

    Tick Turnbull’s Ticket!

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2013 1:23 pm

    *(although it is obvious that Gillard derailed the train when she executed Rudd and she has utterly failed to get it back on track)

    I don’t really blame gillard as the instigator of rudd’s downfall. I think that the job was offered to her and she took her chance, as any would.

    You downplay the might & power of the Labor right wing unions in the rudd coup. Make no mistake it was them who brought about rudd’s defeat and if gillard had not accepted they would have installed someone else. That’s why shorten, conroy and the others would rather see labor lose the election than have rudd return, it is unthinkable to them. Gillard is copping all the flak but it is ‘the background boys’ who deserve it. I note that shorten is pretty quiet these days. I think Howes has publicly regretted his substantial role in the affair too, the AWU as one of the largest would have had considerable influence. Remember Howes beaming face and early appearances on TV to inform the public of the victory?

    The reason Howes said to JG “we’ve got your back” is because he and the other plotters are locked in, they are riding the train to oblivion rather than go back to rudd and certain reform/revenge.

    Depends now if MPs get so scared that they will accept rudd rather than election loss.

    I am still hopeful of the good sense of voters to elect another hung parliament! Abbott should not be rewarded for “wrecking the joint” for the worst kind of underhand, ugly, gutter politics we’ve seen, bringing the whole place into disrepute. It would be an immoral and unethical victory like declaring mike tyson the winner after biting holyfield.

  114. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 1:34 pm

    Kitty makes a valid argument on the power brokers and I think Gillard might still reinvent herself and win another term.

    She will need to be revolutionary, which is entirely possible, whereas Rudd is a bureaucrat without revolutionary zeal.

  115. February 27, 2013 1:37 pm

    The reason Howes said to JG “we’ve got your back” is because he and the other plotters are locked in, they are riding the train to oblivion rather than go back to rudd and certain reform/revenge.

    Agreed!

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 1:59 pm

    “You downplay the might & power of the Labor right wing unions in the rudd coup.”

    No. See my comment: “the Unionland bosses who installed her will be seen as impotent if not irrelevant if they allow her to fall”. I agree with you that the ALP should try to free itself from union domination.

    “Depends now if MPs get so scared that they will accept rudd rather than election loss.”

    I don’t think they are alternatives. As Chris Kenny noted, that issue is only really about whether Thelma or Louise gets to drive the car over the cliff.

    “Abbott should not be rewarded for “wrecking the joint” for the worst kind of underhand, ugly, gutter politics we’ve seen, bringing the whole place into disrepute. It would be an immoral and unethical victory like declaring mike tyson the winner after biting holyfield.”

    You seem a tad one-eyed here, Armie. In terms of gutter politics you might add Gillard’s desperate support for the grub Thomson for at least a year longer than necessary and then pissing in our faces with a bullshit excuse about a line being crossed, which line Gillard was incapable of identifying when asked. Or you could look a the shameful treatment of Wilkie’s pokie reform which was downgraded to a trial and then the trial was deferred until after the election. Or maybe the sacking of Harry Evans, a decent man, and his replacement by the very grubby Slipper. Power trumps decency every time with these feckless fuckwits. But in your universe obviously none of this matters as it is all about AbbottAbbottAbbott. If you think a campaign of gutless character assassination will help, think again. Hypocritically calling Abbott a misogynist as cover for your own defence of a misogynist won’t cut much ice especially with women voters. As one female colleague succinctly observed: “Women hate bitches”.

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 2:14 pm

    BTW, before you all beat up on me, I wouldn’t have phrased it that way myself, but then I’m not a woman.

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2013 2:20 pm

    I’d like to know which of the above the press shouldn’t have reported.

    – ashby entrapment of slipper
    -brough illegal actions in ashby/slipper
    -qld liberals involvement and inducement in ashby/slipper
    -involvement of pyne, hockey, abbott & lewis
    -who is funding ashby
    -personal sms messages in public arena, is anyone’s privacy safe?
    -FWA and VP lawler role/interference re jackson vs thomsen
    -who is funding kathy jackson
    -collusion and conspiracy between liberals, police & press

    I’d like to know which of the above the press should have investigated and reported

    And that’s why I prefer the greens these days, they don’t just go along with everything the US and corporate australia dictate. They won’t just throw aussie citizens to the wolves [eg hicks, assange] and they have remained consistent on gay rights and asylum seekers.

    U.S. ambassador lies about Assange on Q&A, Carr stays quiet

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2013 2:34 pm

    I don’t think they are alternatives. As Chris Kenny noted, that issue is only really about whether Thelma or Louise gets to drive the car over the cliff.

    Chris kenny is hardly an unbiased observer. The omission in his thelma and louise analogy is the unpunished actions of all the men in the events that led to thelma and louise’s desperate circumstances.

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 2:40 pm

    Yes. Men should be punished. Men should be punished. Men should be punished. AbbottAbbottAbbott.

    And who do you think qualify as objective observers? (apart from you and me, of course :lol:)

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2013 3:01 pm

    Gillard’s desperate support for the grub Thomson for at least a year longer than necessary and then pissing in our faces with a bullshit excuse about a line being crossed, which line Gillard was incapable of identifying when asked. Or you could look a the shameful treatment of Wilkie’s pokie reform which was downgraded to a trial and then the trial was deferred until after the election. Or maybe the sacking of Harry Evans, a decent man, and his replacement by the very grubby Slipper.

    But that’s just politics, this is where the double standards come in. You need to open your one eye a little wider, or perhaps it is a case of collective memory loss where all of australia was meant to forget abbott’s past when he declared himself confessed, born again and forgiven for all past sins [as only the catholics can do so well] as LOTO.
    Remember Mal Colston? The libs agreement with Brian Harradine which for decades denied the right of australian women to a safe medical abortion? Remember abbott lying pre election re medicare safety net and going back on it straight after the election, remember his excuse – he was not in control of things, just as gillard hasn’t been due to minority government. Remember how abbott gets away with all his two faced crap while gillard is lambasted for any. The misogyny is real and it is not just from abbott, the entire coalition is full of it, there is also plenty of it in the right wing unions.

    What character assassination? Abbott is a hypercritical grub who is prepared to use and abuse others and to apply underhand, shady, shonky and illegal acts to gain personal political power. I could say the same re his character assassination of gillard, where she has been pilloried for behaving in the exact same way that male politicians do, all the time.

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2013 3:07 pm

    Yes. Men should be punished. Men should be punished. Men should be punished. AbbottAbbottAbbott.
    And who do you think qualify as objective observers? (apart from you and me, of course )

    Oh, get off your soapbox, you are the one who brought it up, were we to forget the entire story of the movie for a neat political [and sexist] skewering? 🙄

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 3:15 pm

    “But that’s just politics, this is where the double standards come in.”

    Then it is just politics both ways, no? That is precisely where the double standards come in!

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 3:33 pm

    In terms of the movie, do think Rudd is Thelma or Louise?

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2013 3:41 pm

    But that’s just politics, this is where the double standards come in.

    And despite your examples, I can’t think of a politician (Howard excepted) who has the history of double standards and duplicity of Gillard.

  126. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 4:02 pm

    Forgetting personalities for a second, the scrapping of the NCCARF and soon the demolition of the MDB Plan, Gillard might still get in.

  127. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 5:37 pm

    The two festering sores for the government are asylum seekers and the CO2 tax, the leader who tells the electorate the truth on these issues should win office.

    Assuming they have a plan in place to tackle these two problems.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2013 5:51 pm

    And despite your examples, I can’t think of a politician (Howard excepted) who has the history of double standards and duplicity of Gillard.

    Menzies (many times – old Pig Iron Bob) , Frazer (waiting in the wings as Whitlam was assasinated), spring to mind … Keating L-A-W, Hawke (no child will live in poverty – I confess to a personal “guffaw” watching it), Howard (never ending story) … history is ful of them …

    I’m sad to say that, KL, has you to rights … Gillard has only done what Abbott attempted to do with a hung Parliament … and at least half the voters therefore would have been pissed off!

    Throw enough BS around (ie – she lies – she lies) – and the 80% don’t take long to fall in line … it worked for centuries even before Goebbels made it an art form …

    Throw enough crap and it will stick – even if wiped away and the next lot, and the next lot … until it covers the sybject so deeply you can’t see the real person/issue anymore … just crap …

    Read yer bible and the trial and crucifion of JC … it worked then and it works now … was he guilty? Or was the crowd convinced by repitition, innuendo, false, accusations and crowd manipulation … the Jews didn’t bump JC off the Romans did … … by throwing crap …

    As our guide in Egypt said … nothing is new … what has really changed with human nature/relations in the last 2000 years?

    And sheep are sheep … why haven’t Catholic women taken up the issue of equality with “their” church and the men who run it? They certainly aren’t as oppressed as the Islamic women seem to be … although thier children are … blind faith – —- only men are capable of being in charge and running the show …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Began watching, Argo, the movie at lunch … but this is g/kid week so will have to finish it later …

  129. February 27, 2013 7:13 pm

    Began watching, Argo, the movie at lunch … but this is g/kid week so will have to finish it later …

    Apparently Labor factions are going to release a director’s cut – “Agro.”

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2013 7:29 pm

    TB, I don’t have any time for Fraser, as I’ve said on many occasions. He was completely dishonest, so you’re right.

    The point about Gillard is that she is so unashamedly dishonest, she doesn’t bat an eyelid when confronted with her history.

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2013 8:06 pm

    The point about Gillard is that she is so unashamedly dishonest, she doesn’t bat an eyelid when confronted with her history.

    Pretty much the same as most folk, ToM …

    I’m beginning to think you may be more like, Ser Tee and me than I realised …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apparently Labor factions are going to release a director’s cut – “Agro.”

    I hope they know that Agro is trademarked … 😉 and he comes from Brissy!

    https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1490&bih=917&q=agro&oq=agro&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.2456.4054.0.6027.4.4.0.0.0.0.183.722.0j4.4.0…0.0…1ac.1.4.img.2eZ_wjQkDzo#imgrc=Y8kYde7KNPSggM%3A%3BAq7ns28zvyM0DM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fustralian.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F05%252Fagro.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fustralian.com%252Fthrowback-thursday-agro%252F%3B336%3B445

  132. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 1:26 pm

    Sheridan agrees with ToM.

    ‘THE best chance for reviving the Australian Defence Force may lie in the return of Kevin Rudd to the prime ministership.

    ‘All the commentary on changing from Julia Gillard to Rudd has understandably focused on the politics, but the policy implications are substantial. Rudd is to Gillard what Bob Hawke was to Bill Hayden, a more popular figure with wider appeal who would give Labor a better chance of victory. But he is also different in policy terms.’

  133. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 3:49 pm

    Joolya intends stealing the Opposition’s ideas so that she becomes a small target.

    ‘OPPOSITION frontbencher Barnaby Joyce is claiming credit for an expected federal government announcement about flood mitigation works.

    ‘Prime Minister Julia Gillard will announce funding later on Thursday of up to $50 million a year to help pay for works such as raising the level of Sydney’s Warragamba Dam by 23 metres.

    ‘When completed, more than 50,000 homes in western Sydney could be removed from the flood risk zone in what is now classed by insurers as one of the highest economic disaster risks in the country,’

    – See more at: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/pms-flood-works-plan-is-mine-joyce-says/story-e6freuy9-1226587466664#sthash.KJjGupGi.dpuf

  134. February 28, 2013 4:34 pm

    what l find interesting is both sides of the duopoly have incinerated a better leader to replace with a dud, tho l doubt reversing this would help either now

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:40 pm

    1. Rudd becomes leader in early June
    2. Immediate 3% bounce in polls
    3. Libs panic
    4. Libs agitate against Abbott
    5. Turnbull challenges on the day Rudd announces the election for 13 July
    6. Everyone is happy with the result, either way

  136. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:43 pm

    Against the odds I’m thinking Joolya could fend the Ruddsters off with skills learned in the SF…. Realpolitik. Vern Hughes was there.

    ‘Over the years, a tension developed within the forum between those interested in working within Labor governments and those who weren’t.

    ‘Hughes said the role Gillard played was instructive.

    “She positioned herself in the centre of a spectrum of views,” he said. “She tried to hold the various views together. She tried to get people to work together. It was always about holding an organisation together, preserving an organisation, rather than having a particular social or political agenda. I would think there is complete continuity in the way she operated in the forum to the way she operated in the Labor Party and now the way she operates in cabinet and government.”

  137. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:53 pm

    1. Joolya hangs onto the leadership

    2. Big promises on infrastructure spending sees her bounce in the polls

    3. Libs panic

    4. Abbott tells Australians the world hasn’t warmed in 17 years.

    5. And the Talcum Push throw in the towel.

    6. Its another hung parliament and only Kitty is happy.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2013 4:54 pm

    Brilliant scenario ToM!

    ************

    “I would think there is complete continuity in the way she operated in the forum to the way she operated in the Labor Party and now the way she operates in cabinet and government.”

    Did she stage a coup, stab her leader and grab the top job at the SF?

  139. February 28, 2013 5:32 pm

    1. Juliar refuses to go. Rudd declines to challenge.

    2. Abbott becomes PM..

    3. Rudd becomes Opposition Leader

    4. Rudd wins 2016 election in a landslide after 3 years of slash n ‘ burn from the Abbott govt

  140. February 28, 2013 5:33 pm

    5. Talcum becomes Opposition Leader

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 5:43 pm

    5. Talcum becomes Opposition Leader

    FMD! sreb, I’ll be dust in a little jar by then!

    I suspect you might be very close … although if Abbott cracks it this year … business will take off and they’ll be wallowing in tax and start the “see we told you we were better at money mangement” … as all the infrastructure comes to fruition and they tell everyone that it was too hard to dismantle … remember Kim Beasley and the Labor will dismantle GST?

  142. February 28, 2013 5:52 pm

    1. Rudd declines to challenge.
    2. Joolya stuck with the job.
    3. Mr-Rabbit remains a dud.
    4. Embedded media propaganda fails again.
    5. More Independents gain seats.
    6. Joolya cobbles together 2nd watermelon govt.
    7. Talcum becomes Opposition Leader

  143. February 28, 2013 6:01 pm

    lt`s going to be fun seeing Joolya trolling in the western sydney burbs this week. l hope the tv-news cover it better than they usually cover stuff. l reckon there could be lots of `comedy` sent Joolya`s way.

  144. Antony permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:05 pm

    Section 13 of the Constitution prevents writs for a half-Senate election being issued before 1 July 2013. With the minimum 33 day election campaign, this means the first possible date for a House and half-Senate election is Saturday 3 August 2013. The election can be announced before 1 July but the writ cannot be issued before 1 July.

    Any election held before 3 August would be for the House of Representatives only.

    http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2012/12/2013-federal-election-calender.html

  145. toiletcatchingupwithblinkeredlunacy permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:08 pm

    1. toiletentity becomes disillusioned with the political wankery

    2. toiletentity begins to notice, more & more, the blinkered political partisanship of aligned political blog commentators

    3. toiletentity feels the hair on the back of his neck rise in disgust

    4. toiletentity remains uncompromised by the hard sell, the propaganda & the illogical rubbish spouted by political cheerleaders

    5. toiletentity resolves to, for the first time, stay home on election day/write “fuck you all” on his ballot paper…(most likely the former)

    6. toiletentity refuses to pay any punitive measures for not voting for non-choices

    7. toiletentity fills out another electoral enrolment form with calculated abuse & is permanently struck off of the electoral roll, just like his brother

    8. toiletentity lives happily ever after, sneering at government & being generally noncompliant

  146. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:44 pm

    ‘Did she stage a coup, stab her leader and grab the top job at the SF?’

    🙂

    It was a case of power thrust upon her by the right, which is ironic, but there was nothing unusual in her behaviour. Don’t forget Gillard is inclusive and Rudd is exclusive.

  147. February 28, 2013 6:44 pm

    tolietentity makes a lot of sense.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:48 pm

    Whew! Spoken like a true knight, Ser Tee!

  149. el gordo permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:52 pm

    ‘write “fuck you all” on his ballot paper…’

    If no charismatic revolutionaries turn up on the hustings, then I will join you.

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:55 pm

    Finally, people are seeing the sense of informal voting when it’s a choice between spew and bile.

    (I’m off for a meal, and an outstanding bottle of 2004 bin 389…celebrating Thursday)

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2013 6:56 pm

    …no, it’s 2005.

  152. February 28, 2013 7:10 pm

    Doug Cameron for PM…!

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2013 8:05 pm

    (I’m off for a meal, and an outstanding bottle of 2004 bin 389…celebrating Thursday)

    … second day of a head cold … forced alchol free day …

  154. el gordo permalink
    March 1, 2013 7:04 am

    ‘Despite the monsoon season, more than 1000 asylum-seekers have arrived so far this year. The government has no alternative but to stick to the “no advantage” principle to ensure they gain no ground over applicants seeking to resettle in Australia through official channels. Confronted with a growing underclass, it should deport trouble-makers. It needs to better manage the problem or face the expensive prospect of resorting to ever-larger detention centres.’

    Oz Editorial

    A huge detention centre at Ord, to take all illegals including Englishmen who have overstayed their visas, would be expensive but worthwhile.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 1, 2013 9:53 am

    Doug Cameron for PM…!

    He’s certainly spruced himself up since his union hack days. Maybe he’d be better as immigration minister.

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 1, 2013 10:59 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dean-mighell-unplugs-his-leadership-20130301-2f9z4.html

    Dean Mighell – ETU hack – departs, that’s good.

    Will he stand for Katter’s party? Despite his denial, rumours are strong, and he has aligned with just about every other splinter party.

  157. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 7:19 am

    This supports ToM’s thesis that the Ruddster could bring the party back from the brink.

    ‘FEDERAL Labor faces annihilation in western Sydney, losing seats previously considered safe unless the party switches back to Kevin Rudd, a poll has found.

    ‘It raises the prospect of double-digit swings in NSW, sending even MPs on margins of 12
    per cent to the jobless queues.

    ‘The devastating snapshot of voter sentiment comes before a five-day swing through marginal western Sydney electorates by the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, from Sunday and suggests life-long Labor voters in traditional ALP strongholds are prepared to dispatch her government.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/wipeout-in-the-west-voters-want-rudd-20130301-2fbru.html#ixzz2MJyE5BA1

  158. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 8:56 am

    ‘THEY struggle with power bills and cost of living pressures and overwhelmingly they rank Julia Gillard’s week-long Rooty Hill sleepout an election “stunt”.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydneys-west-rates-julia-gillards-efforts-terrible-rooty-hill-visit-is-just-a-stunt/story-e6freuy9-1226588785559#sthash.S72wzArs.dpuf

  159. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 11:08 am

    Western Sydney

    ”It’s an economy the size of Melbourne,” says the Labor member for Parramatta, Julie Owens, suppressing a sigh. ”It’s got 2 million people west of Parramatta. It’s bigger than Brisbane and the economy is bigger than South Australia … it’s as complex as any large city.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/can-the-west-be-won-20130301-2fbq2.html#ixzz2MKuBjNnm

  160. March 2, 2013 7:32 pm

    “The hatred for Kevin Rudd from within the Labor party is greater than the natural human instinct to survive”..

    ~ Malcolm Turnbull on Q&A 🙂

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2013 8:14 pm

    Western Sydney

    Where do I start, is Julie another 20 something whizz kid pollie? Or just the ignorant run of the mill pollie, Dickwit™ or Dollywit™? The following is without even looking anything up!

    1. Does Melbourne have an economy?

    2. BRISBANE is the BIGGEST city in the Commonwealth of Australia!

    3. Brisbane’s population is 22 million …

    Well done. egg … I wait for your next post on a local Liberal Dick or Dollywit™ … I think you’ve found your Independent Media niche …

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2013 8:18 pm

    OOOPS! Thank Christ its not!

    Brisbane’s population is 22 million …

    Brisbane’s population is 2.2 million (.) makes all the difference … (this figure is from Wikipedia BTW)

  163. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 8:22 pm

    There is much fun to be had in this election.

    From memory…Brisbane is the biggest city in land area.

  164. March 2, 2013 8:27 pm

    ” Turnbull on Q&A “
    Didn`t realize you are a qandaland viewer reb.
    We had the usual political `pantswetters` in from uts, all lovey dovey for Mr-Talkbull as usual. Tho studio 22 may have turned into a bit of a blood-bath if TJ had of asked the nbn questions he had, but time ran out. Saved by the bell,l guess.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2013 9:36 pm

    From memory…Brisbane is the biggest city in land area. My point egg …

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2013 9:37 pm

    TICK FOR TURNBULL!

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