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When “The Left” Attempts to Silence Dissent.

March 11, 2013

Silencing-Dissent

It’s a peculiarity of contemporary political commentary that those who profess to represent the “right” or conservative side of politics maintain that the national broadcaster, the ABC has been held to ransom by “the left,” while those who lay claim to being from “the left” insist that commercial news media outlets are managed by those with a not so thinly veiled conservative agenda.

Almost everyone exaggerates the perceived power that “the media” supposedly wields.

While they may be high-profile “media personalities,” the odious broadcasters Ray Hadley, Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt hold little sway outside of their relatively small niche audiences. They are essentially preaching to the converted.

Similarly, the loss-making broadsheet The Australian with its declining circulation takes a predominantly conservative approach to political reporting although it did throw its support behind Kevin Rudd in the 2007 election.

At that time, Kevin Rudd swept to power with some 70% support from the Australian voting public. Since then however, Labor has been haemorrhaging voters with many Labor supporters abandoning the party after Julia Gillard’s political assassination of her former boss.

The reality is that many former Labor voters have never really accepted Julia Gillard as a legitimate leader of the party.

In recent years Ms Gillard has earned a reputation as someone who simply cannot be trusted and has lurched to the  conservative “right” of politics with extreme policies on asylum seekers that surpass even the brutality of the Howard years, as well as an archaic view on marriage equality that leaves Australia trailing the rest of the developed world in terms of ending discrimination.

In addition, Gillard has pandered to extreme right-wing religious groups including personal assurances to Jim Wallace, leader of the extreme Australian Christian Lobby, assuring him that religious groups will continue to enjoy the freedom to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

The PM’s position on these issues is completely out of step with “the rest of Australia” with polls consistently showing that the majority of Australians are in favour of marriage equality and for a more humane approach to asylum seekers.

It’s little wonder that today an overwhelming majority of Australians simply want Julia Gillard gone.

Those who profess to represent the “left” side of politics insist that it’s the “mainstream media” who are to blame for Gillard’s poor polling, with some even suggesting the quite ludicrous notion that the nation’s leading market research firms News Poll, Essential and Galaxy, are somehow involved in some sort of “orchestrated conspiracy,” secretly colluding with the mainstream media to bring about the demise of the PM.

That sort of logic is clearly bordering on the unhinged, however it remains a more palatable rationale for many “Gillard apologists” than facing up to the hard reality that most people simply hate Julia Gillard.

It’s easier for them to lay the blame at the feet of the media than to accept that the assassination of Kevin Rudd was a monumental mistake.

Earlier this year, a few bloggers who subscribe to the “hate media” and “fabricated polling” conspiracy theory established a new online forum as an “alternative voice” to the entrenched mainstream media which they believed to be “dishonest, sensationalist, gutless, unfair and unbalanced.”

The group argued that right-wing conservatives had hijacked Australia’s political media landscape with the likes of Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones censoring and sometimes banning any sort of commentary that might detract from their conservative agenda.

The “Australian Independent Media Network” quickly garnered a loyal following, including this writer, who recognised the potential for the forum to become a credible, alternative voice to the mainstream media.

However, in the space of a few short weeks, it became clear that many in the collective were only interested in prosecuting a case against Tony Abbott and the Coalition, while vehemently attacking and discrediting anyone who attempted to highlight legitimate areas of concern with regards to the incumbent Labor government.

It became apparent that any criticism of Julia Gillard would simply not be tolerated.   A number of contributors saw the signs early on, and self-selected out.

Others who attempted quite diplomatically to point this out to the administrators were simply told to “butt out”.

Many others, myself included, were subsequently banned without any notice or forewarning.

In a bizarre twist of fate, the so-called “Australian Independent Media Network” became an extraordinary parody of the right-wing conservative blogs and commentary they so vehemently condemn  – essentially adopting the same “zero tolerance” to alternative opinions and ideas that fail to adhere to its “pro-Gillard, anti-Abbott” mindset.

The blatant self-evident hypocrisy of adopting the same approach to censorship and partisan commentary they so despised in the mainstream media was clearly lost on the administrators. So much for that “independence.”

In its efforts to silence dissent, the “Australian Independent Media Network” is effectively emulating the same approach to censorship and stifling of debate it finds so objectionable in other political forums. It will no doubt be remembered as an interesting case-study in the way in which collective groupthink becomes self-affirming.

Supporting freedom of speech in its entirety, not merely claiming to appreciate all views but actually meaning it, means hearing the positions of groups or individuals with whom you may vehemently oppose.

Truly free speech should make us uncomfortable, confronted and offended.

 

 

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502 Comments leave one →
  1. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 3:41 pm

    Let me be the first to say its a strong editorial, which I happen to agree with, but couldn’t help notice not much attention was given to the people’s disgust of joolya’s delusional adoption of climate change theory.

    Mass propaganda through the ABC has literally brainwashed a generation of our young and I consider this a crime against humanity.

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 11, 2013 4:01 pm

    “Almost everyone exaggerates the perceived power that “the media” supposedly wields.”

    If the ABC were not government funded I would not care how biased it was. The issue isn’t that it is a left-wing voice but rather that it is a public resource which has been colonised by leftists. There is no conservative equivalent of Philip Adams or John Faine. There are no presenters on mainstream news shows who appear to have a conservative cast of mind. Quite the reverse. The issue here is theft of public resources.

    It is not as though there is a dearth of leftist media that is not government funded. One consequence of the ABC’s relentless leftism is that it cannibalises Fairfax’s audience which is one major factor behind Fairfax’s financial predicament. In fact it has never been easier for diverse voices to speak out. Of course if they publish nonsense their audience will be small. Which is why the Global Mail went down, Crikey is decidedly niche and Green/Left Weekly is never going to attract a large audience, much less one that is actually capable of thinking.

    The point about AIMN is that it should be free to be as biased as it pleases. People are smart enough to understand that it is a publication for politically paranoid slavish Laborites. It will have a demented hard core audience and everyone else will just feel sorry for the poor miserable fuckers wasting their lives on the hamster wheel of Labor sycophancy, running as hard as they can to see how far they can get their pointy little heads up the arse of the comrade hamster ahead of them on the wheel.

    The real attack on freedom of speech is where the politically paranoid try to stop other people setting up their own publication or stage from which to speak. That is where they transition from morons to fascists. Obviously Labor has crossed this line with its attempts to intimidate and censor the press.

    The frightening thing is that Labor is likely to appoint loyal but delusional idiots like the powers that be at AIMN to the proposed regulatory body. That is the way things work with Labor – sheer blind loyalty is preferenced over independence, impartiality and intelligence. At some point the AIMN lot must actually believe that their policies are fair and reasonable and so would have little trouble enforcing them on dissident publications given the power to do so.

    It seems to me conservatives and the libertarian left favour free speech whereas the stupid left, the ones who can’t bear to hear dissenting voices favour censorship and suppression of contrary views.

  3. March 11, 2013 5:19 pm

    Beware the zealots.

    They act like fucken zealots.

    ‘troll’, on politically aligned blogs, is the catchcry of arselickers who aren’t willing to even countenance that the ‘other side’ isn’t wrong 100% of the time.

    Even when you play by their rules, you still, ultimately, suffer them predetermining what you mean; they don’t bother to even interpret what you’re trying to say.
    Basically, their is little room for deviation.
    This is fine…& to be expected, but they needn’t pretend that they represent anything other than a chorus of sycophancy & subordination to perceived allegiance.

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    a.
    a group of persons singing in unison.

    The irrefutable proof of their true intent is to be found by contrasting the way that their mission statements are applied to those who sing out of tune…& those who stick to the chorus, but are free to abuse, go off topic & provoke with impunity. In house zealots are the only ones who you’ll ever hear clamouring for dissenters to be banned too.

  4. March 11, 2013 5:20 pm

    Nice post, btw, reb.

  5. March 11, 2013 5:24 pm

    “It seems to me conservatives and the libertarian left favour free speech whereas the stupid left, the ones who can’t bear to hear dissenting voices favour censorship and suppression of contrary views.”

    Sadly, I find myself in furious agreement.

    ALP crotchsniffers aren’t what I’d necessarily call ‘left’ though.

    Willfully stupid, definitely. As opposed to intrinsically stupid.

  6. March 11, 2013 5:30 pm

    Plenty of conservatives are also willfully stupid.

    I’m starting to see it all more as the difference between easily captivated adherents…& those who are virtuously cynical of ‘followers’.
    The actual ideology doesn’t seem to matter that much. All flavours have their drooling plague of nodding dumbasses.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 5:33 pm

    Good thread, sreb. (We need one on the Opposition, now) …

    My “beef” isn’t with the PM – its with the ALP itself … it is a mirror of the Liberal party now … both parties are “governed” (manipulated?) by shadowy figures in the background and both the PM and the LOTO are simply puppets …

    I was quite concerned that Tony Abbott would become PM … (I’m still concerned about a massive landslide and the subsequent consequences) … but now I’m thinking it may be a “good” thing for a number of reasons – that are probably obvious …

    1. The bloodbath in the ALP may take the survivors (and the ALP!) some time to recover from … but at least it may get rid of the “self centred cheats, liars and thieves) …

    2. Putting the LibNits back in power with Tony Abbott at the helm will, once and for all, dispel the stupid myth that he is Dog’s Chosen One … it won’t take long for the stumbling and bumbling to make a difference as the government – whereas now its just the Opposition fkn things up …

    3. They can’t stuff to many things up now … they won’t stop the NBN (too many people will fire up!), the MRRT is a dud anyway … and they would be very foolish to lower the tax threshold and pension concessions …

    4. The Carbon Tax will simply return in another guise.

    5. Governments and the RBA may think they control business success and/or failure in this country … but I have some really bad news for them … business (good ones) succeed or fail – despite – government intervention!

    5. It will give me (and others) something to write about when the “new” government takes office … and we will be watching every lie, stupid decision, backflip, waste of our money, snout in the trough deal, illegality and fillibuster they make …

    6. These days I’m relatively immune from the wankers that try to “run” the country … from collecting our water to harnessing power, from managing our income to growing home grown fruit and veggies … quite frankly I no longer give a flying fuck about Canberra or Brisbane … 🙂

    … I do enjoy pointing out the incompetence of nincompoops though … 😯

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2013 5:40 pm

    It’s dreadful to have to say – ‘I agree’

    It isn’t just the zealotry, it’s their insistence that challenge has to he interpreted as ‘pro Abbott’, or RWDB, or troll. The likes of Iain Hall are accepted because they are pro Abbott and allow crystallised discussion – Gillard/ALP is better than Abbott/Libs.

    Those that don’t provide any nuance in debate are straight forward and will prosper there. Those that don’t like either Abbott or Gillard are just too difficult to compartmentalise, so banning is the easy way out.

    They like free speech, as long as it is their speech.

  9. March 11, 2013 5:52 pm

    “I was quite concerned that Tony Abbott would become PM … (I’m still concerned about a massive landslide and the subsequent consequences) … but now I’m thinking it may be a “good” thing for a number of reasons – that are probably obvious …”

    My sentiments exactly, Ser Bee.

    “Those that don’t provide any nuance in debate are straight forward and will prosper there. Those that don’t like either Abbott or Gillard are just too difficult to compartmentalise, so banning is the easy way out.”

    My sentiments exactly, Dr Surf.

  10. March 11, 2013 5:53 pm

    Inane Hall is now the ‘token punchingbag’ for the slaverers.

  11. March 11, 2013 5:59 pm

    You know, they won’t learn anything from Labor getting its arse handed to it in September.

    They’ve already reinforced the barricades in their minds & paved the way to embrace dismal failure as the absolute fault of the Murdoch media + anyone who’s ever strayed from the Party line in a public forum.

    Sad cunts. Seriously.

  12. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 6:09 pm

    ‘The Carbon Tax will simply return in another guise.’

    I disagree, the game’s up.

  13. March 11, 2013 6:11 pm

    “They’ve already reinforced the barricades in their minds & paved the way to embrace dismal failure as the absolute fault of the Murdoch media + anyone who’s ever strayed from the Party line in a public forum.”

    Indeed.

    The funny thing is that they’re not even Labor loyalists. They’re “Gillard loyalists”.

    Andrew Wilkie was their “friend” when he helped Gillard get into government, but became the enemy almost overnight when Gillard reneged on her agreement with him, and he quite rightly pointed out Gillard’s self-evident dishonesty.

    Anyone who dares take issue with Gillard, questions her behaviour or her policies is immediately branded as “the enemy” and is set upon by the likes of Catching Up and “Joy” (a contradiction in terms if ever there was one).

    If they were really interested in the survival of the ALP then some ALP supporters might realise that the party is in need of complete reform if it is to survive into the next decade.

    But instead, the AIMN mob just fall into line with whatever condescending bullshit that Julia Gillard touts..

    Catching Up/Fed Up would have to be the most mind-numingly gullible of them all, but they all think she’s marvellous. Go figure.

  14. March 11, 2013 6:29 pm

    “They’re “Gillard loyalists”.”

    I agree, but I also think that they’d jump ship to whomever the ALP decided to install in her place, were they to do so, in an instant…& with no sense of irony.

    They strike me as a ‘My Team, Right Or Wrong’ crowd; rather than aligned specifically to Gillard, the individual.

    I loathe that mentality.

  15. March 11, 2013 6:32 pm

    “they’d jump ship to whomever the ALP decided to install in her place, were they to do so, in an instant…& with no sense of irony.”

    True.

    Unless it’s Kevin Rudd.

    They hate him.

    If Labor decides to go back to Rudd it’ll seriously fuck with their heads. LOL…

  16. March 11, 2013 6:35 pm

    “Andrew Wilkie was their “friend” when he helped Gillard get into government, but became the enemy almost overnight when Gillard reneged on her agreement with him”

    Yep.

    Also, add Crikey, Lindsay Tanner, formerly acceptable journalists & the ABC…among others.

    They’re like cultists.

    They forget that the interwebs records their ‘evolution’ in black & white.

    Anyone who’s been following these machinations for a few years, since pre-Howard deposement; is well aware of where all of the chips fall…& who thinks & who just falls into lockstep.

    Another interesting subject is Tim Dunlop…a messianic figure to some of them…strangely, but blatantly ignored once he began verbalising distaste for the contemporary ALP. Narry a mention.
    At least they aren’t pillorying him in their swarm attacks, I suppose; small courtesy to yesterday’s hero.

  17. March 11, 2013 6:37 pm

    If the ALP goes back to Rudd, the exploding heads will be visible from space. 😆

    * I don’t think the ALP will, btw. They’re presumably intelligent enough to recognise that that would be (rightly) perceived as the last great act of desperation.

  18. March 11, 2013 6:41 pm

    “At least they aren’t pillorying him in their swarm attacks, I suppose; small courtesy to yesterday’s hero.”

    True. They were all strangely silent when Tim Dunlop slammed the Gillard govt in July last year..

    I guess Tim must be part of the “hate media” now too.

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/tim-dunlop-lashes-out-at-dumb-gillard-government/

  19. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 6:45 pm

    ‘Noodle emails to say that Rudd is favourite to lead the ALP to the next federal election again. Centrebet has him equal with Gillard at $1.90 each while Sportsbet has him at $1.85 to Gillard’s $2.00.’

    Cattallaxy Files

  20. March 11, 2013 6:49 pm

    “I don’t think the ALP will, btw. They’re presumably intelligent enough to recognise that that would be (rightly) perceived as the last great act of desperation.”

    Agreed.

    It’d also be an admission of complete and utter failure.

    Hopefully Rudd will pick up the pieces when Gillard steps down after the election and is given the mandate to reform the party to the extent that it so desperately needs.

  21. March 11, 2013 6:50 pm

    The election is only six months away. Our “Australian Spring.”

  22. March 11, 2013 7:24 pm

    ” from “the left” insist that commercial news media outlets are managed by those with a not so thinly veiled conservative agenda.”(post)
    =
    Sorry reb, l largely disagree with this post, (not to be a pain in the arse mind you). Various research and studies have shown there is pro-teabag, `anti-left` bias in the embedded media, particularly Limited-News.
    =
    Primary reach and Secondary Reach (bottom_page) explains part of it. Will drop other links later.
    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/hirst-on-editorial-reach/

  23. March 11, 2013 7:31 pm

    “there is pro-teabag, `anti-left` bias in the embedded media, particularly Limited-News”.

    I don’t dispute that, however I think that the perceived influence of the msm is over-stated.

    The mainstream media has been in rapid decline for years, if it held the level of influence that the Gillard apologists insist, then Abbott’s personal satisfaction rating would be a lot higher than it is.

  24. March 11, 2013 7:32 pm

    I don’t doubt that News Ltd can display a general bias towards conservative politics.

    I see peril in assuming that this is the only reason that the ALP is eating itself though.

    It is nowhere near that simple a prospect.

    Also, the crotchsniffers use it as a catchall excuse for just about any poor publicity that the ALP gets…& that is logically retarded.

    They see media bias anywhere that criticism of the government exists; thus laying bare their own profound bias & confirmation sickness.

  25. March 11, 2013 7:33 pm

    I piss on rubbish like FoxNews & Bolt.

    Problem is, assignining all criticism into such baskets, especially when it’s warranted, serves to perpetuate the rot.

  26. Dianne permalink
    March 11, 2013 7:44 pm

    For goodness sake, why do people ‘hate’ Julia Gillard as you put it. Who is encouraging it if not the media in all its forms. Distortion, vitriol, unfair criticism, unbalanced coverage and ‘easy as you go’ on Tony Abbott. How else is the voting public receiving the message? That said I agree with you that critics of ‘old media’ are often as biased as those they attack.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2013 7:44 pm

    The Australian supported Rudd in 2007 and gave Gillard the nod in 2010.

    The simple fact is that the ALP nationally provides plenty of material for newspapers.

    Even Penny Wong is currently on TV telling us that the government that it is getting flack because it is talking about itself.

  28. March 11, 2013 7:47 pm

    ” mainstream media has been in rapid decline for years, if it held the level of influence”
    Yes, Absolutely true. The embedded media, politicians and used-car salesmen occupy the bottom level of trustworthiness and truthiness in research. lt does influence voting, but not in the way most claim. Because of the noise levels of nonsense, voters are not making informed decisions so much, but are voting like folks who pick stocks by throwing darts at the newspaper stock-market listing.

  29. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 7:48 pm

    ‘How else is the voting public receiving the message?’

    Welcome Dianne.

    Its not a concerted attack on Gillard because she’s a woman, its her failed policy which has brought the party undone.

  30. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2013 7:50 pm

    They see media bias anywhere that criticism of the government exists; thus laying bare their own profound bias & confirmation sickness.

    Exactly

  31. March 11, 2013 7:53 pm

    I don’t hate Julia Gillard, but she is seen by the greater community as having damaged the Labor brand. Irreparably apparently, for this electoral cycle at least.

    I’m also smart enough to know that one person, symbolic leader or not, doesn’t encompass the entirety of a political party; even though each side would have us believe that the opposing leader should be our focal point.
    This isn’t the fucking US & we aren’t voting for a President. Turning it into a personality contest only serves to further deflect scrutiny from actual policy & intent in our governments.

    I don’t understand why people think it’s all about media programmed hatred of Gillard; that’s really missing the point. Isn’t it possible that a majority can see through the spin, just like they ultimately did with the odious Howard?

    I well remember incredulity from the Coalition in the dying days of HowardCorp, as they bemoaned that anyone would want to vote out such a statistically successful government.

    People see it how they want to see it.

  32. March 11, 2013 7:53 pm

    “voters are not making informed decisions so much, but are voting like folks who pick stocks by throwing darts at the newspaper stock-market listing.”

    I give the voting public a bit more credit than that 730..

    I think many people, who aren’t across the intricacies of the relative merits of each party’s policies – and quite frankly who can blame them, each party will simply say and do anything to get over the line anyway – will simply vote on who they think is likeable, honest and trustworthy.

    The fact is that many see Gillard as an illegitimate leader and can’t quite reconcile why Kevin Rudd was deposed in the first place.

    He was the guy who enjoyed a staggering 70% support of the electorate.

    Gillard has never enjoyed anywhere near those numbers.

    She has a well-earned reputation as a traitor and a liar who will say and do anything to cling to power.

    The public can see that. Which is why she’ll be gone in six month’s time if not sooner.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 7:54 pm

    It is nowhere near that simple a prospect.

    I agree … but the plebs on BOTH sides are taken in … some of my family (ie kids) and their friends are … I’m bombarded by anti ALP email propaganda … I try to “reply” with fact and its “all over red rover” a la … NoS and his Young Liberal Instruction Sheet …

    Bearing in mind that the ALP is disintegrating internally – why should we support it … rats leave a sinking ship … not because they are rats … they a are just smarter than the fkn Captain and his/her crew!

    I’m reading The Storm of War right now (another “potted history” of WWII) and its interesting to remember that Germany was a Republic with a Parliament (Reichstag) before Herr Whatsisname took over … the “policies”may be similar … but the Queen will save us!

    … thank Christ its only a three year term (Queenslanders are saying that about Noddy Newman already … talk about the Dodgy Brothers!) …

  34. March 11, 2013 7:58 pm

    “People see it how they want to see it.”

    Exactly boss!

    People have stopped listening to Gillard in the same way they stopped listening to Howard in the lead up to the 2007 election.

    It’s all over for Gillard.

    There’s nothing she can say or do to turn around Labor’s election prospects other than stand aside for someone else.

    And that may already be too late..

    The same arrogance that dogged Howard in his last dying days also plagues Gillard.

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2013 7:58 pm

    I well remember incredulity from the Coalition in the dying days of HowardCorp, as they bemoaned that anyone would want to vote out such a statistically successful government.”

    Yep and I still do not get it. We threw out a successful govt in 2007.

  36. March 11, 2013 7:58 pm

    ” the ALP is eating itself “
    Yes Dunny, true. Joolya and friends have not sold their positives well or stopped internal stupidity either. After knifing Kevin07, they have continually handed zombie-media all the ammunition the zombies want, and that`s on the Alp.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:05 pm

    Just saw this and disagree, sort of …

    I don’t hate Julia Gillard, but she is seen by the greater community as having damaged the Labor brand

    I don’t hate the PM – just disagree with some of her management decisions (but as an ex line/staff manager and subsequently a management training consultant, I’ve been doing that for most of my working – and retired – life) …

    Julia Gillard has become the whipping post for the pricks that back her! I rarely use the word hate but Howes always spring to mind!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Dianne … welcome to the fray! We need more posters of the feminine persuasion!

    I can assure you (on behalf of the Blogmeaster … 🙂 ) you won’t be banned …

  38. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:07 pm

    ‘Isn’t it possible that a majority can see through the spin’

    True.

    What you can see with this universal desertion of the Gillard government, is a powerful undercurrent of discontent among Labor voters.

    With so many media platforms available, its easy for the electorate to see through the spin.

  39. March 11, 2013 8:07 pm

    “I rarely use the word hate but Howes always spring to mind!”

    I rarely use the word hate but Lowes always spring to mind!

  40. March 11, 2013 8:08 pm

    “Successful Government” is in the eye of the beholder, Neil.

    The ALP crotchsniffers are currently making similar murmurs.

    ie. they see the ALP as being a successful government.

    Lucky for moderation, elections are usually decided by the middle, not the zealots.

    So, I think you sound a big bit like a Coalition crotchsniffer when you utter; “I still do not get it. We threw out a successful govt in 2007.”

    People see it how they want to see it.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:10 pm

    Yep and I still do not get it. We threw out a successful govt in 2007.

    Do yer fkn homework! This must be Year 11 for you … don’t blow it …

  42. March 11, 2013 8:11 pm

    “I don’t hate the PM – just disagree with some of her management decisions…”

    Me too, teebee…but, I do still think that she is seen by the greater community as having damaged the Labor brand; most of them wouldn’t bother to make the distinction between her & her puppetmasters (rightly or wrongly).

  43. March 11, 2013 8:11 pm

    “What you can see with this universal desertion of the Gillard government, is a powerful undercurrent of discontent among Labor voters.”

    This is one of those rare occasions where I agree with you.

    Labor used to be a progressive party that championed the rights of the disenfranchised and the marginalised.

    Under Julia Gillard’s watch it has become Liberal-lite, and in some cases lurched further to the right that anything Howard did.

    That some “Gillard-supporters” maintain that they represent the “left” side of politics is simply laughable…

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:14 pm

    ‘Isn’t it possible that a majority can see through the spin’

    And that goes for the Liberal Party too … FFS!

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:16 pm

    Under Julia Gillard’s watch it has become Liberal-lite, and in some cases lurched further to the right that anything Howard did.

    I see we are in sync again sunshine!

    My “beef” isn’t with the PM – its with the ALP itself … it is a mirror of the Liberal party now … both parties are “governed” (manipulated?) by shadowy figures in the background and both the PM and the LOTO are simply puppets …

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:16 pm

    ““Successful Government” is in the eye of the beholder, Neil.”

    Well I think most ALP supporters have said that the Howard govt was successful but they do not give him any credit. He just got lucky to be in govt when conditions worldwide were improving.

    It would not matter how many surplus budget Costello would produce, ALP supporters would just say he got lucky. And it does not matter how many deficit budget Swan produces, ALP supporters say he was unlucky.

    People see it how they want to see it.

    But come on. Unemployment hit 4% under Howard, a level not seen since the 1970’s. And it was just dumb luck??

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:19 pm

    People don’t trust Gillard, and as Geoff Gallop said on Saturday evening you need trust before policies.

    Howard lost government because he lost trust. The same fate awaits Gillard.

    Rather than getting that through their heads, some just prefer to put a ban on the opinion.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:20 pm

    Well I think most ALP supporters have said that the Howard govt was successful but they do not give him any credit. He just got lucky to be in govt when conditions worldwide were improving.

    MOST ALP SUPPORTERS HAVE SAID! 😯

    HE JUST GOT LUCKY WHEN CONDITIONS … WERE IMPROVING! 😯

    Doy our fkn homework! Leave the politics to big people …

    Governments don’t “influence” business … they complicate the profit margin … business makes a profit NOT governments …

  49. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:25 pm

    ‘And that goes for the Liberal Party too … FFS!’

    All politicians are now transparent because of the communications revolution.

  50. March 11, 2013 8:32 pm

    “Rather than getting that through their heads, some just prefer to put a ban on the opinion.”

    Indeed Tom, come September 14 the Gillard cheer squad are going to be in for a rude awakening…They just don’t want to hear the news before then, so they ban those who confront them with the facts.

  51. March 11, 2013 8:41 pm

    ” give the voting public a bit more credit than that 730 “
    l do trust the voter and give them credit reb. lf zombie media clout had worked in 2010 Mr-Rabbit would have got those 79 seats noise-polls promised. But every now and then the voter can be fooled, John-W, Tampa.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:44 pm

    All politicians are now transparent because of the communications revolution

    If that were true, why is Tony Abbott the LOTO and Malcolm Turnbull struggles to say something against the NBN (’cause he knows the real value) … and why is Julia Gillard still PM … transparency my arse … obfuscation, elimination and titillation – none of them has any SUBSTANCE …

  53. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:45 pm

    A senior NSW minister says there will be a challenge over the next two weeks to change the PM.

    In other news… joolya said she didn’t reprimand Smith for speaking out of turn. Can’t believe anything you read these days.

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:46 pm

    A comment suitable for AIMN –

    • Gillard knifed a popular PM with the help of union hacks outside the caucus.
    • She dealt dishonestly with Wilkie.
    • She introduced a carbon/emissions policy that looked nothing like the one she took to the lection.
    • Incredibly she has proven to be more mean spirited than Howard in her treatment of asylum seekers
    • For some unfathomable reason she opposes marriage for some people
    • She has a history of policy failure

    is unpopular because of the media

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:48 pm

    l do trust the voter and give them credit reb.

    So did I but that fkn AMERICAN Murdoch is a sneaky arsehole trying to rule the world … he woke up to China’s, modus operandi (too late BTW) … control with capital … the Yanks are so dumb they just got rich on the backs of the poor folks (and keep making them poorer – what do the Chinese do?) … Robber Barons abound … its how they operate that matters …

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:55 pm

    … is unpopular because of the media

    She is unpopular because she is the “fall guy” for the hacks … read some more Roman history!

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    I was asked a couple of times why I didn’t go into politics (when I was young and virile, like you, ToM, 😉 )

    I always said it was because I could never toe the political line – I have principles …

    (I also confess that I always fought the “corporate” line – when it was wrong – James H was a classic case – one of the reasons I became a self employed consultant I could actually say what I meant, and was listened to …………… and the money was good!)

  57. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 8:55 pm

    ‘transparency my arse’

    Talcum struggles because he’s failing to communicate to the electorate. If he said the NBN is a waste of taxpayers money because the technology is already old, then they would understand.

    Tabot has been getting bad press for simply ever, but his minders have now got him on the right track.

    In two weeks we may have a new PM, the people are voting with their feet and the backbench are terrified of becoming irrelevant.

    To save the party from destruction we need a caucus revolt.

  58. March 11, 2013 9:06 pm

    ” same “zero tolerance” to alternative opinions and ideas that fail to adhere to its “pro-Gillard, anti-Abbott” mindset. _ The blatant self-evident hypocrisy of adopting the same” (post)
    This is a little bit bullshit reb. TB an l haven`t been `blocked` at coffee-2(which l warned about) and 5-estate. On some of the coffee-2 posts, with yomm and gordo and you on, it did look like a bit of a `troll-attack`. Now l know you`re NOT a troll reb but the other two do have the experience in this area. Having yomm and gordo spanking the regulars did you no justice reb. With fucu there is just on win.

  59. John Dewey. permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:09 pm

    Can’t believe the ALP’s ongoing death wish. Take ‘education’ policy as an example. There has been many positives. National Curriculum, BER and Gonski are all to be applauded. But they are at the level of generality and are not likely to win ‘hearts and minds’ at the voter level. They won’t be game changers re voters’ intentions.

    On the other hand, we’ve had ‘merit pay’, and the like which piss teachers off big time. And today we had the Minister for Education (Garrett) talking about ‘teacher training’ which demonstrates in spades how little he knows about the history of education in Australia, and elsewhere by the way. ‘Teacher training’ was confined to the historical dustbin decades ago. Even the ABC tonight couldn’t stomach that insult and referred to it as teacher ‘education’.

    His implied criticism of teachers (not up to the task amd all that) was politically dumb. As for ’emotional intelligence’. Please. Pseudo science at best. What next ‘intelligent design’?

    So ‘education’ which is an expensive exercise will be a net vote loser for Labor.

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:11 pm

    But every now and then the voter can be fooled,”

    Yep Kevin Rudd did that in 2007 and the ALP are the masters at fooling people. May even do it latter in the year. Rudd promised the ALP’s NBN would be finished in 5 years. Which means they should be completing it about now.

    Rudd lied to the electorate in 2007 about the NBN.

  61. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:12 pm

    ‘…but the other two do have the experience in this area.’

    joker

  62. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:15 pm

    ‘So ‘education’ which is an expensive exercise will be a net vote loser for Labor.’

    Along with asylum seekers and that fkn tax on a harmless trace gas.

  63. March 11, 2013 9:28 pm

    ” many people, who aren’t across the intricacies of the relative merits of each party’s policies “
    Absolutely reb. Ratings after ratings after ratings research shows that viewers ditch show with politicians on them, or soon after politicians start dodging and bullshitting. The average viewer/voter don`t even tune in to politics until 4 or 5 weeks before an election.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:31 pm

    Talcum struggles because he’s failing to communicate to the electorate. If he said the NBN is a waste of taxpayers money because the technology is already old, then they would understand.

    Mmmmm

    because the technology is already old,

    So what’s the latest technology, guru? The Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Ball … ??

    You do prattle nonsense, egg …

    Your knowledge of technology would fill a fkn egg cup!

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:39 pm

    Even the ABC tonight couldn’t stomach that insult and referred to it as teacher ‘education’.

    Well, with an extra eight weeks of paid leave, plus the “none pupil days” … the “personal development programs” don’t seem to be working much either … best have a Liberal Party ‘back to the ’50’s program” – having said that sarcastically … its probably a good idea … at least kids might be able to spell and write and read and do simple arithmetic again … maths just baffles some … history and geography is beyond the teachers as is biology and physics … they can’t even spell general knowledge …

    BTW, I agree that Garrett is a muppett and I’ve said that, since Rudd ’employed it him …

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:42 pm

    Ooops, apologies … John Dewey … meant to say … clever if somewhat obvious “blog name” … 😉

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2013 9:44 pm

    Actually “teachers” need meaningful trainiing in learning techniques not “teaching” stand up delivery … so 19th Century it hurts …

  68. March 11, 2013 9:46 pm

    The egg-cup of wisdom over-floweth

  69. March 11, 2013 9:49 pm

    Oilz aint Oilz

  70. March 11, 2013 10:07 pm

    Garret answers fully way more questions than Mr-Poodle, who mainly yaps `off-topic` teabag theory _ #qandaland (half-time)

  71. March 11, 2013 10:19 pm

    Mr-Poodle says he has 4 children and 2 of them have learning disabilities. A couple of future teabag party members for the future.?

  72. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 10:36 pm

    ‘Your knowledge of technology would fill a fkn egg cup!’

    The NBN is not my portfolio, so I’ll leave it to others to argue Talcum’s case. Personally I think the NBN is a great idea, hard wired to every home, its just an unnecessary waste of money according to my mate who knows about these things.

  73. March 11, 2013 11:18 pm

    Emma just rumbled Emmerson pretty good. _ #Latelineland

  74. Anton Makarenko permalink
    March 11, 2013 11:35 pm

    Just watched Q&A where Garrett was creamed. But he didn’t know it. More’s the pity. Dumb as dog excrement. As Pyne demonstrated, Garrett’s been sucked into playing on the Opposition’s playground of ‘teacher quality’.

    Effing hopeless.

    No ‘principles’. And politically, no idea.

  75. March 12, 2013 12:00 am

    seems teabags missed this

  76. March 12, 2013 12:02 am

  77. el gordo permalink
    March 12, 2013 6:47 am

    ”Pull out Digger, the dogs are pissing on your swag.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/tell-gillard-to-go-urge-rudd-backers-20130311-2fwdy.html#ixzz2NGK8Utwn

  78. March 12, 2013 7:41 am

    730

    Everyone who has been banned at AIMN all have one thing in common – we all made comments that were critical of the Gillard govt.

    No one who adheres to the “Gillard is great” mantra has been sanctioned or banned.

    I think that says it all really.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2013 9:20 am

    No one was even mildly rebuked at AIMN for the 4 word insults, as long as they insults directed to non Gillard contributors.

    For example, Jason could say what he wished, lie, reflect homophobic views, and would be excused. Some of his comments were among the worst I have seen on a blog.

    AIMN is now the Jennings display home of blogging – neat and fake, a facade that might appeal to bogans.
    =========
    As a matter of interest, has 730 ever made a contribution worth reading?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2013 9:24 am

    Newspoll is at it again – it’s a conspiracy!

    The latest poll shows Gillard with a big lead over Abbott as preferred PM, and ALP behind only 48/52 2PP.

    This is a conspiracy to get the ALP to cling to Gillard, or something.

  81. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 12, 2013 9:36 am

    “AIMN is now the Jennings display home of blogging………”

    Now let me get this correct.

    Given their previous record Minglo set up a new blog with the same followers and some of you thought it would live upto its claim of being “Independent”

    Now thats very very funny

  82. March 12, 2013 9:50 am

    “AIMN is now the Jennings display home of blogging………”

    🙂

  83. Catherine Donoghue permalink
    March 12, 2013 8:25 pm

    I found the AIMN via The Conversation and wonder why anyone would bother wasting their time.

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2013 8:46 pm

    You’re quite right Catherine, though some of the articles are well written. The site just doesn’t seek any debate or apply any reasonable or consistent standards.

  85. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    March 13, 2013 2:48 am

    Very good post Reb….Well said. It is a rather odd thing that the “left” is always on about being the paradigm of “free speech” but as your point out; only if they agree with said speech…How anyone on the “left” can not see this or recognize the obvious hypocrisy in it all is a bit troubling if not disturbing…

    Interestingly enough, it commonly tends to be “left” leaning blogs that ban comments at all or suggest as much. Almost entertaining that such a move falls right in line with the “stereotype of the “left” being all about “control”…LOL

  86. el gordo permalink
    March 13, 2013 7:58 am

    Its true Sparta, I’m only banned from left wing blogs, but I will draw your attention to the fact that they are really Greens in Labor clothing.

    They have insidiously rooned my party.

  87. el gordo permalink
    March 13, 2013 8:23 am

    This fellow Stokes is deluded, sprouting green/left mantra because he doesn’t understand the science is flawed.

    ‘For all Abbott’s protests, when the words ”carbon tax” are history, eventually Australia will have an emissions trading scheme. Abbott will delay it a few years.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/life-under-abbott-please-dont-panic-20130312-2fyet.html#ixzz2NMWTYzpG

  88. el gordo permalink
    March 13, 2013 10:35 am

    Taking a closer look at Essential polling, slightly more than a third of Green voters think Labor should not be reelected.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2013 2:17 pm

    Interestingly enough, it commonly tends to be “left” leaning blogs that ban comments at all or suggest as much.

    More fkn “right” propaganda … I’m banned from six, right leaning, blogs including Bolt’s and Akerman’s …

    It’s the “dedicated” supporters everywhere that have trouble with reason and logic …

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2013 2:18 pm

    And I’ve been banned from a left leaning blog too …

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2013 2:27 pm

    Some blogs exist to reinforce a particular set of beliefs (whether left, right or anything else) and will not tolerate dissent. Others are more interested in open discussion where you get to hear other points of view, and sometimes even modify your own view. The latter are much healthier than walled gardens and fever swamps of self-reinforcing prejudice. A vigorous argument is much more fun than watching a bunch of sycophants failing over themselves to more piously follow the party line.

  92. March 13, 2013 2:29 pm

    “A vigorous argument is much more fun than watching a bunch of sycophants failing over themselves to more piously follow the party line.”

    Agreed!

  93. el gordo permalink
    March 13, 2013 2:55 pm

    And this blog is a credit to the editor’s wit and tolerance.

  94. March 13, 2013 3:19 pm

    ” this blog is a credit to the editor’s wit and tolerance.”

    Yes it is isn’t it…

    How good am I…??

    If only we could get Catching Up to post here…

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 13, 2013 3:41 pm

    I’m banned from six, right leaning, blogs including Bolt’s and Akerman’s …

    I tried numerous times but never managed to get a comment published in either of planet janet or bolt’s sheltered workshops.

    …but I will draw your attention to the fact that they are really Greens in Labor clothing.

    cripes, you really do invent your own reality don’t you. Oh well, if delusion and denial makes you happy, who am I to burst your little fantasy bubble that surrounds and protects you from all that is unpleasant to your psyche. Your own little happy place!

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2013 4:42 pm

    And this blog is a credit to the editor’s wit and tolerance.

    Well it can’t be ’cause of the quality of posing** here …

    **(chuckle, thought I’d leave what I actually typed … sounds better without the “t” … definitely freudian :lol:)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I tried numerous times but never managed to get a comment published in either of planet janet or bolt’s sheltered workshops.

    I did get around the Akerman ban for a few days posting as “The End Is Nigh” – took great delight in posting the day after the Rudd win as … “The End Is Here” … any attempt thereafter was/has been foiled …

    I sometimes get accepted on news.com.au but they are a bit biased if its a story (or political party) they are supporting … and you disagree with the “thrust” of the story …

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2013 4:52 pm

    Bolt’s blog is now a disaster. I cannot even post there. Ever since he was taken to court his blog is heavily moderated and he has no say on what is posted. He does read the postings and that is about it. They are hardly ever updated and postings are low and infrequent.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2013 6:47 pm

    HOw dull a “quality” site can become without some intelligent challenge.

  99. TPS permalink
    March 13, 2013 7:19 pm

    It’s really sad that Tom of Melbourne believes that he provides any sort of “intelligent challenge” to anyone on any blog.

  100. March 13, 2013 7:20 pm

    Indeed Tom.. AIMN in the space of a few short weeks has transformed itself from being a forum encouraging lively political debate to one which now shares poems and short stories with Catching Up providing the majority of rigorous political commentary and robust debate (mostly with herself, as she re-reads her own inane rants, reinterprets them and then posts another take)…

    It would be fkn hilarious if it wasn’t so, well, fkn hilarious…!

  101. March 13, 2013 7:23 pm

    Well TPS, Tom certainly provides a more well-considered opinion than those who simply adhere to the Gillard = good, Abbott = bad mantra.

    Life, oddly enough is a little more complicated than that, but I can understand and appreciate that the likes of the AIMN, Whispers and TPS mob might struggle with that concept…

  102. March 13, 2013 7:35 pm

    If only we could attract the likes of the intellectual heavyweight and self-appointed universal blog standards police enforcer “Catching Up/Fed Up” to grace us with her unique presence here perhaps things might be a whole lot better….?

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2013 7:35 pm

    Abbott = bad

    I do agree with this tho … 😉

  104. March 13, 2013 7:35 pm

    But I doubt it.

  105. March 13, 2013 7:38 pm

    Abbott has brushed up on his personal grooming, hair care and skin care lately. Heck he’s even taken to wearing eye shadow and makeup recently.

    He’s practically a drag queen..! If he “comes out” in support of marriage equality (his sister’s a dyke remember) it could spell the end for Gillard.

  106. March 13, 2013 7:50 pm

    How amusement!

    A cursory glance through the window at AIMN reveals that Minglo’s latest post is protesting against the fact that we have a free press in Australia..

    Apparently criticism of a “Labor” government minister “shouldn’t be allowed”.

    😯

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2013 8:35 pm

    I suppose Miglo has a well earned reputation for distaining reasonably expressed alternative views. So he’ll be right on board with very, very heavy handed regulation.

    Shortly well see a range of sock puppets new ALP aligned types pop into AIMN to offer their support.

  108. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2013 9:40 pm

    Larry Pickering comments

  109. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 13, 2013 10:37 pm

    Over 112 years of Federation and a lying scumbag of a PM decides we need some laws to control the Press.

    Gee., its ( the Press) got us to this point in our History .

    But I’m supped to believe her wisdom ?

    Bring on September.

    Goodbye you lying grub

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2013 11:09 pm

    I notice that one of the ALP barrackers (Catching UP) has used “Uncle Tom” to describe the new NT Chief Minister –

    Uncle Tom – A black man who will do anything to stay in good standing with “the white man” including betray his own people

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Uncle%20Tom

    But of course (according to Catching Up) it is fine to use any insult on any opponent or critic of the ALP.

  111. el gordo permalink
    March 13, 2013 11:13 pm

    It really is a disgrace.

  112. March 14, 2013 2:27 am

    ” never managed to get a comment published in either of planet janet or bolt’s sheltered workshops. ”
    That`s no surprise to me armchair, you definitely wouldn`t get past the Limited-News moderation policy if you where up to your usual form. Your usual form, of course, is being `factual`.

  113. March 14, 2013 2:34 am

    ” He’s practically a drag queen..! If he “comes out” in support of marriage equality (his sister’s a dyke remember) it could spell the end for Gillard.”
    reb, _A Newtown led, pink landslide for Mr-Rabbit.?

  114. el gordo permalink
    March 14, 2013 7:18 am

    Now that the queen has given her nod to gender equality its only a matter of time before Abbott, in an unwieldy political environment, allows for a conscience vote.

  115. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 14, 2013 8:47 am

    “I notice that one of the ALP barrackers (Catching UP) has used “Uncle Tom” to describe the new NT Chief Minister – ”

    Their should be a photo of Catching Up on the back of every single bottle of dangerous chemicals in the Nation.

    It seems all she’s good at is inducing vomiting

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 9:33 am

    Yes, it’s odd that they have a façade of supporting indigenous people, but in circumstances where one becomes leader they’re characterised as an “Uncle Tom” because they’ve chosen the wrong side.

    The same site also shows its lack of awareness by regularly talking about “half bloods” and “full bloods”

    Apparently they think they’re “left”, but the reason for this self image is beyond me.

  117. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    March 14, 2013 10:39 am

    “Uncle Tom – A black man who will do anything to stay in good standing with “the white man” including betray his own people”

    You guys really need to get your own “insults” man….That comes from “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” by Harriet Beecher Stowe. It is grounded in much history around the time of the civil war.

  118. el gordo permalink
    March 14, 2013 10:41 am

    Out in the antipodes we get these stories late.

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2013 10:48 am

    “You guys really need to get your own “insults” man”

    I assume that’s directed at Catching Up/Fed Up/Throwing Up.

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 10:59 am

    I think I was referring to the vernacular Sparta, I’m familiar with the origins.

    Calling an aboriginal an “Uncle Tom” is a deliberate insult, so rather than congratulating the NT Chief Minister for becoming the first indigenous leader of a state or territory, the insult is thrown by some of those of a ‘left” orientation.

    …because the NT Chief Minister happens to have chosen the wrong side (in the opinion of the barrackers)

    It is quite disgraceful.

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 11:34 am

    …and just to put paid to the nonsense that the criticism of Gillard (about her duplicity) is due to her gender, perhaps someone would nominate a more dishonest series of political decisions than her dealings with Wilkie and the aftermath with Slipper.

    I consider this the most outrageous example of political dishonesty I can recall.

    Though perhaps Kerr’s dishonest dealings and exchanges with Whitlam are up there.

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2013 12:10 pm

    “I consider this the most outrageous example of political dishonesty I can recall.”

    John Howard bailing out National Textiles of which his brother was a director, (in a way that meant that ASIC would not be required to investigate the conduct of the directors) and then announcing that in future there would be no such bailouts.

    Or John Howard putting a tariff on imported ethanol while a boatload of the stuff was already on the way to Australia so that the Australian importer lost money, but funnily enough this protected a large Lib donor, Manildra, from competition.

    This is more than political dishonesty, it is manipulating the system to the financial benefit of his mates and relatives.

    Lying rodent is an understatement.

  123. el gordo permalink
    March 14, 2013 12:16 pm

    Nils won’t like to hear that Johnny was a lying rodent, but the evidence is overwhelming.

    In other news…. the greens make themselves useful.

    ‘Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott are to be placed under renewed pressure to support gay marriage rights with the Greens intent on making the popular reform a key election issue.

    ‘The party also wants to test Mr Abbott’s assertion during a 60 Minutes interview last Sunday that he separates his Christian faith from his policy decisions.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/greens-to-push-gay-marriage-rights-20130314-2g1gq.html#ixzz2NTL9wStw

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 12:22 pm

    Deliberately deceiving an MP in order to become Prime Minister is not in the realms of normal dishonesty.

    I’m also happy to admit that Howard was dishonest, but Gillard’s actions need a new word for the heightened level – “very, very dishonest” doesn’t quite describe it.

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 2:40 pm

    By the way, this is the comment that apparently got me banned by by Miglo at AIMN –

    ”Just so that you know what I think…
    This is a site that has some thoughtful writers, and its objectives are laudable.
    But selective bannings and tolerance of the behaviour of the insults thrown by some of the ALP barrackers is making it into just another echo chamber.
    It’s your site Miglo, and I’ve said repeatedly that (on the basis of its objectives) it deserves success, but it needs some consistent standards of moderation and some proper explanation about why some are banned.”

  126. March 14, 2013 2:46 pm

    I got banned for making “snide remarks.”

    Apparently pointing out that Catching Up was factually incorrect in stating that the reason I was critical of the PM was because of the PM’s gender is a “snide remark.”

    Apparently you’re not meant to challenge someone making up lies about you.

    Others over there called me a “bitch:”and a “troll”, but that’s okay with Minglo coz the people making those remarks are Gillard apologists… 🙄

  127. March 14, 2013 2:49 pm

    Crash Skeptic was also banned for pointing out Minglo’s partisan approach to moderating comments, ToM.

    Which is a pity cos Crash Skeptic had a lot of interesting things to say…

    At any rate, it seems that AIMN has turned into just another playground for Catching Up.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 3:36 pm

    Yes, I struggle to think how I could have expressed a sentiment more politely.

    Given the mindless, provocative language used by several of them, eg Jason, it’s no wonder Miglo balks at providing a rationale for banning people.

  129. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 14, 2013 3:43 pm

    Multiple Sydney radio reports say Gillard being knifed by Rudd before daylight fades today.

    Any absent Canberra press are rushing back to Parliament House

  130. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 14, 2013 3:57 pm

    It was a false start……………………….both camps have now denied it.

    It started on Twitter apparently

  131. March 14, 2013 4:38 pm

    twitter lol jock shock

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2013 5:01 pm

    Ya, like a bunch of old washer women … gobble, garble, gobble … 😆

  133. el gordo permalink
    March 14, 2013 7:28 pm

    Off topic…. Pope is a Fascist.

    ‘The Pope has been accused of failing to stand up to the brutal military junta that slaughtered tens of thousands of Argentines in its so-called Dirty War.

    ‘Critics say Jorge Mario Bergoglio did little to help those who disappeared when the country was under right-wing military rule – and too much to criticise the left-wing opponents of the generals.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293032/Jorge-Mario-Bergoglio-Did-fail-stand-Argentinas-brutal-junta-Pope-accused-doing-little-help-disappeared-country-right-wing-military-rule.html#ixzz2NV63Lwc9
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  134. Disgruntled permalink
    March 14, 2013 7:48 pm

    * cue certain Victorians vomiting up some rubbish about rightwing military governments in South America.

  135. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 14, 2013 10:26 pm

    730reportland PERMALINK
    March 14, 2013 4:38 pm
    twitter lol jock shock

    Cue you of course having never referenced/linked Twitter yourself.

    Oh sorry I forgot………. . Wixxy is far more credible in your eyes

    You idiot .

  136. March 14, 2013 10:51 pm

    “Sydney radio reports say Gillard being knifed by Rudd before daylight fades today.
    .
    .
    .
    Any absent Canberra press are rushing back to Parliament

    .
    .
    .
    twitter, it`s still funny

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2013 10:59 pm

    Meanwhile, the natural order has been re-established at AIMN.

    Those with an IQ above 90 are all banned.

  138. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    March 15, 2013 4:31 am

    “Calling an aboriginal an “Uncle Tom” is a deliberate insult”

    Well I was just referring to the fact that it is not only insulting but completely inapplicable…Makes no sense and just inadvertently assumes anybody who is “non-white” and gets along with the “white fella” is a “derogatory” as a starter. It would be like somebody calling a “economic migrant” from Sri Lanka being held at Christmas Island is a “wet-back” when said derogatory reference was meant for “Mexicans who have recently crossed the Rio Grande”….I am a bit saddened to see so much “American” culture infiltrate Australia; now even our insults…Geesh…

  139. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2013 7:25 am

    I am a bit saddened to see so much “American” culture infiltrate Australia”

    I hope you do not quote Shakespeare.

    http://readingnow.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/we-quote-shakespeare-every-day-without-realising/

  140. el gordo permalink
    March 15, 2013 7:33 am

    Over the past hundred years mass communication has pretty much overwhelmed Australia with American culture.

    It hasn’t been all bad, although its a little disconcerting seeing our local indigenous lads walking and talking like African Americans from NY.

  141. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    March 15, 2013 9:47 am

    “although its a little disconcerting seeing our local indigenous lads walking and talking like African Americans from NY”

    Now that is a bit sad indeed…You almost get the impression the world is in complete revolt at the idea of emulating any institution or idea that might be seen as being “Caucasoid” in nature ..Oh wait, it is…

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2013 3:41 pm

    ” am a bit saddened to see so much “American” culture infiltrate Australia;”

    Perhaps you should read this

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/england.asp

    That it is the right of the subjects to petition the king, and all commitments and prosecutions for such petitioning are illegal;

    That the raising or keeping a standing army within the kingdom in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;

    That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

    That election of members of Parliament ought to be free;

    That the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;

    That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted;

    That jurors ought to be duly impanelled and returned, and jurors which pass upon men in trials for high treason ought to be freeholders;

    That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular persons before conviction are illegal and void;

    Most of the American Bill of Rights is a copy of the 1689 English Bill of Rights

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2013 4:50 pm

    The idea that we should reward a pack of lying, cheating politicians (led by the biggest lying cheat) because they are less noxious than the other lot is a pathetic excuse.

    Get rid of lying cheats, then if the next lot are lying cheats, get rid of them. Repeat the cycle until someone learns not to lie and cheat in office.

  144. Gonski permalink
    March 16, 2013 5:27 pm

    “Repeat the cycle until someone learns not to lie and cheat in office.”

    Perhaps you could provide a ‘link’ to this golden age?

    Surely a recipe for an ongoing revolution.

  145. toilettopower permalink
    March 16, 2013 5:51 pm

    Sounds nice, Tom.

    But, gonski, is correct.

    Just remaining jaded & nihilistic like me is the only credible answer. 🙂

  146. March 16, 2013 6:22 pm

    ” Repeat the cycle until someone learns”
    Oh yomm, that`s just wishful teabag thinking.
    The duopoly do copious amounts of `talk-festing` on every topic imaginable to guarantee that nobody learns anything. Teabags need to pay more attention.

  147. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 7:00 pm

    A recent study showed that humans are poorly wired and don’t learn from their mistakes, so Gonski is probably on the money.

    Nihilism is more fashionable amongst our youth than in my day, but I put that down to the education system lying about our earthly peril.

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2013 7:00 pm

    The lesson is punish politicians until they take some notice.

    (I’m off for a meal so no need to reply)

  149. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 7:22 pm

    Our justice system works effectively in snaring lying cheats, but the electorate demands still more from their politicians…. like straight forward honesty.

    Integrity is hard to find amongst the Labor ranks, so they’ll give the other side a shot.

  150. toilettopower permalink
    March 16, 2013 7:29 pm

    “The lesson is punish politicians until they take some notice.”

    In hindsight…I’m definitely down wit da YomM on this.

    As long as he includes informal electoral ballot abuse in his “lesson is punish politicians”.

    Honestly…there is not a single motherfucker in the whole country whom I would cast an affirmative ballot for.

    I feel at the mercy of the hordes of unwashed…&, indeed, brainwashed fucktards…adherents & there servility numerically trump sound thinking…I can’t see how it will ever change…

  151. March 16, 2013 7:44 pm

    l wish you`lot would punish me for 3-years, on 170K$_pa minimum

  152. toilettopower permalink
    March 16, 2013 7:58 pm

    I do ok, but I’m a long way off of $170k…not sure what you mean.

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 16, 2013 8:07 pm

    The lesson is punish politicians until they take some notice.

    “…l wish you`lot would punish me for 3-years, on 170K$_pa minimum…”

    Yeah, that’s some harsh ‘punishment’, plus giving them the power to do whatever they like to ‘reform’ our lives.

  154. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 8:27 pm

    ‘I can’t see how it will ever change…’

    The Westminster system of democracy appears to work reasonably well, its the adversarial model. Factions develop within parties, which is not a bad thing in itself, but unfortunately the MPs are then expected to follow the faction line without the opportunity to follow one’s conscience.

    This is how they begin to lose their integrity when they become professional politicians.

  155. March 16, 2013 8:37 pm

    ” MPs are then expected to follow the faction line_ follow one’s conscience.”
    and here l was thinking they were sent to parliament to represent the nation, and the electorate that sent them

  156. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 8:40 pm

    No, they become party animals.

  157. toilettopower permalink
    March 16, 2013 8:46 pm

    Zakly why I now spurn politics & politicians…

    Every electorate needs a gutsy, truly Independent INDEPENDENT.

    Given that no such things exist…I say, opt out, piss on the lot & do as your conscience tells you…

    😯

  158. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 9:20 pm

    I’m prepared to write across the ballot paper…. ‘a pox on both your houses’ ….if they don’t tell me what I want to hear. This probably won’t happen because I have it on good authority that the LNP will be a progressive government and hopefully Abbott will have the bottle to make Australia proud.

  159. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 9:55 pm

    Abbott will most likely follow the O’Farrell model …. let the infrastructure spending begin.

    ‘The largest release of housing lots in 20 years will bring home ownership within reach for thousands of young families, the state government says.

    ‘Up to 171,000 new homes will be built across 31 new and existing suburbs, alongside land for new jobs, shops, schools and transport.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/170000-new-homes-for-sydney-20130316-2g7b3.html#ixzz2NhNqf95o

  160. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:14 am

    On the Rollison thread over at AIMN there is a Dirk Rossey making life difficult for the rusted ons.

    Will he also disappear?

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 12:00 pm

    With the tour of Bruce Springsteen, it’s a timely reminder that we have another reason to consider him a talentless dud – he’s the inspiration for Our Treasurer.

    When most of us were going to pubs to support Australian bands, who wrote songs about the local culture, Swan is admiring a foreigner.

    It is typical of a gormless bogan. What a dull character Swan is, has there ever been such a huge gulf between the self-opinion of someone, and their actual capability. I’d like to buy Swan at my price and sell him at his.

    No wonder he is so admired by “the left” types that inhabit some blogs

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 12:16 pm

    It doesn’t take much to baffle them at AIMN gordo.

    They admire dull dishonest politician, and ban anyone who can offer a little (polite) challenge.

    Has Catching Up provided the last 30 successive comments?

  163. March 17, 2013 12:23 pm

    OH how I have enjoyed reading this thread!
    It makes me feel so much better about the way that I have been treated at the AIMN. At least its clear that I am not alone in being badly treated there.

    The way that the moderation is run there is utterly ridiculous, absolutely one-sided and clearly intended to drive all dissenting voices away. just as so many people here have shared, the experience of those here who have been banned from AMIN is a salutary lesson in how not to run a lively forum.

    I have had a great deal of fun there and I think that what it boils down to is that Michael Taylor is a fundamentally weak man who is too frightend to upset the small clique of regulars there (and at the cafe) by sticking to his claimed principles that he caves into their bullying in any thread there. CU/FU (Florence Hovarth) is as stupid as she is vociferous, Ricky J Ponnowitz is just as poisonous and stupid with it I love the way that he has claimed to be a “media industry insider” yet when you look deeper you find that he is in fact a “creative director” for an online advertiser! how he reconciles his hard left politics with that industry’s involvement with business and capitalism is beyond me!

    When Michael wrote a piece asking for a conservative to write for them I submitted a fully formatted piece with appropriate links and pictures and when nit was published the formatting was shot to hell the pictures changed and a long and derision preamble included from Taylor.

    Even so I submitted another post that was accepted and eventually published a week after I sent it to him again formatting stuffed up links removed and less that flattering preamble.

    Since then I have sent two other pieces that have not been accepted and sent him several emails asking why he won’t give me the same chance as other authors to contribute and administer my own posts.

  164. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 1:01 pm

    Yep, Migs couldn’t run a raffle.

  165. Power down permalink
    March 17, 2013 1:17 pm

    ● Are you tired of the current government, but know the alternative won’t be any better?

    ● Are you annoyed that our political system is “giving them the power to do whatever they like to ‘reform’ our lives”?

    ● Do you “feel at the mercy of the hordes of unwashed…&, indeed, brainwashed fucktards” and think the “adherents & there servility numerically trump sound thinking”?

    ● Or maybe you “now spurn politics & politicians” and think you should “opt out, piss on the lot & do as your conscience tells you”?

    ● Perhaps you want to “punish politicians until they take some notice”?

    Well here’s some startling news for you.

    If you’re not actively resisting the pervasive intrusion of government control into every aspect of our lives, and protesting the ever-expanding centralisation of power to Canberra, you’re not part of the solution, YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

    More day to day decisions about how we live our lives should be left to us as individuals, without interference from a “benevolent” government imposing its idea of morality on the populace.

    To take just one example that seems important to many on this forum, gay marriage would not even be an issue of discussion if government kept its sticky nose out of our personal affairs.

    But it doesn’t stop with social matters. The voting populace is split roughly 50/50 between the two major parties and in any federal election half the electorate will have to submit to the will of the other half, whether they like it or not.

    Fewer decisions and control at the federal level, and more at the state, local, and, ideally, the individal level would restore power to where it should reside, with We The People.

  166. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 1:19 pm

    Unfortunately, Iain, this place is under surveilance…& your comment is likely to see you get banned elsewhere.

    I don’t generally agree with much of what I’ve seen you say online, but I certainly concur with the thrust of your comment above.

  167. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 1:22 pm

    Well here’s some startling news for you.

    My first reaction to being told “YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!” is to retort with “How about you go & fuck yourself”.

    Otherwise, I agree with most of the rest of your comment.

  168. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 1:24 pm

    * their servility

  169. March 17, 2013 1:28 pm

    toilettopower
    I am unconcerned about this site being under surveillance, I am well used to being minutely scrutinised in every thing that I say online.

    That said I think it irks them no end that I won’t give them an excuse to ban me no matter how much they try to provoke me.

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 1:30 pm

    Weakness might be one reason Iain, a complete inability to get over the past is another.

    Despite his protestations, it’s clear that Miglo is unable to cope with polite, non aligned challenge. He is only capable of accepting partisan opinion, pro or con.

    The only acceptable debate is ALP vs Liberal. Anyone who sees a little more nuance gets banned.

    Iain won’t be banned because he is specifically a defender of the Liberals.

  171. March 17, 2013 1:52 pm

    toilettopower

    well your prediction was right on the money !

    Just sent this to Michael:

    Michael
    This is to ask you just why you have banned me from the AIMN?

    Have I not scrupulously stayed within your commenting Guidelines?
    As far as I know there is no rule or condition requiring one to be nice about your site elsewhere.

    Anyway if you won’t change your mind I then want you to remove both pieces that I wrote at the AIMN as I revoke permission for them to be published at your site as is my right as author.

    Iain

  172. Ol' Sancty permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:01 pm

    So what did actually happen at Darling Harbour?

    Did we get to the bottom of it? (Not the bottom of the harbour……the bottom of what went down) (or who went d……. I’d better stop now).

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:04 pm

    That’s interesting Iain. So he is intent on banning anyone who has a different opinion and political orientation, and who might interrupt 30 or 40 successive comments from the intellectual powerhouse of the site – Catching Up.

    It’s actually quite fascinating to watch someone so willingly and deliberately remove themselves from their lofty stated objectives, published just a few weeks ago.

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:09 pm

    I feel like I’m in an episode of the “gossip girls”

    Fewer decisions and control at the federal level, and more at the state, local, and, ideally, the individal level would restore power to where it should reside, with We The People.

    Yes, I’ll be in that, but the people as a responsible collective who manage themselves, look after those who need it and take ownership of every workplace, not individual “I’m all right jack, bugger everyone else, greed.” Oh and we would need a bill of rights!

    …unfortunately the MPs are then expected to follow the faction line without the opportunity to follow one’s conscience.

    The party line has destroyed democracy. The libs talk about labor, make out they have individual choice but that is BS, when did anyone last cross the floor on anything? The line is just as rigid for them as it is for labor.
    I don’t want some religious zealot’s ‘conscience’ to be deciding anything that affects others either.

  175. March 17, 2013 2:09 pm

    “So he is intent on banning anyone who has a different opinion and political orientation”

    No it’s actually surpassed that. Now he’s banning anyone who “he thinks” doesn’t like them.

    That wouldn’t be “paranoia” would it….? 😯

  176. March 17, 2013 2:15 pm

    “So what did actually happen at Darling Harbour?”

    Well me might never get to the “bottom” of that one but the word on the street is that there were rampant accusations of all sorts of shagging going on…There were three main players and it spilled out on to the interwebs in the form of a hilarious “three way lovers’ tiff…”

    Just for old time’s sake, here’s the exchange that went on at the time at teh cafe (subsequently deleted of course) 🙂 …

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/under-destruction/

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:35 pm

    We must be on series 4, episode 5 of ‘the gossip girls’ by now. it’s a long running, slow moving aussie drama set in the interwebs and the imagination. Plenty of spite and little humour, someone oughta write a screenplay 😆

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:38 pm

    please take iain back michael

  179. March 17, 2013 2:45 pm

    “someone oughta write a screenplay”

    I want Joan Collins to play my role. Captain Peacock could be Tom of Melbourne (or Christopher Pyne)…

    Come to think of it, has anyone actually seen Tom of Melbourne and Christopher Pyne in the same room together at the same time…..? 😯

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:45 pm

    🙄

    hard to figure out the protagonist from the antagonists, KL … I’ve been in touch with HBO … Ser Tee and I could rewrite it as an episode of Game of Thrones … what say Set Tee?

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:46 pm

    I think it would be a great reality TV show. It would be hugely popular, as people seem to enjoy watching a battle between nice, diverse intelligent, thoughtful people (ie contributors here) and dull, arrogant, hypocritical bogans (ie the AIMN administrator/s and approved contributors).

    It’s a recipe that has proven to be successful on every reality show for 3 or 4 years.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:46 pm

    … has anyone actually seen Tom of Melbourne and Christopher Pyne in the same room together at the same time…..?

    No! But they both eat out a lot? mmmmmm … and they both claim to be hetero 🙄 😉

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:48 pm

    It’s a recipe that has proven to be successful on every reality show for 3 or 4 years.

    So how come this little side show has been on for fkn five!

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:51 pm

    Right. Just imagine Christopher Pyne if he looked like Brad Pitt, and spoke like Jack Thomson, and surfed like Mick Fanning.

    (speaking of which, the surf on the NSW coast is quite challenging today)

  185. March 17, 2013 2:53 pm

    “I think it would be a great reality TV show”

    I agree!

    We could those two judges from My Kitchen Rules! The French guy with the nice accent and the other guy “grinning skull” or whatever his name is..

  186. Power down permalink
    March 17, 2013 2:57 pm

    By the way, for those inclined to think Sen Conroy has a point in that the News Corporation papers could do with some restraining by a government appointed watchdog, never forget that the next appointee will likely be selected by (and beholden to) the other side of politics. A press critical of government, even unfairly, is preferable to the alternative.

  187. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 3:45 pm

    Strongly agree, Power down.

    Advocates are too bloody minded (apparently) to realise that the other side gets a go in government too.

    Such ‘restraining powers’ are liable to be abused by both sides, imo.

  188. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 3:47 pm

    “well your prediction was right on the money !”

    Well, I had a hunch…& then there is the well known established patterns of censorial behaviour at those adherent’s sites.

    Not pleased to be proven correct so quickly, but not surprised in the least either.

  189. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 3:47 pm

    It’s bizarre to read that Miglo has banned ‘snipers’.

    Personally, I don’t believe it was possible for me to have commented on that site more politely. Miglo even acknowledged that on several occasions, immediately before banning me.

    He succumbs to the ‘BAN HIM! AND HIM!!” lobbying very easily, and then shows his real character by trying to justify his odd decisions with invented rationale.

  190. March 17, 2013 4:06 pm

    ToM
    likewise I have been incredibly polite over there even when provoked by endless insults and personal attacks. His attitude is quite Bizarre. In correspondence today he is suggesting that I am going to be the cause of his next nervous breakdown 🙄 and chides me for outing Florence Hovarth (CU/FU) here.
    I responded by reminding him that political blogging is tough game ad that he should toughen up or stick to twitter.

  191. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 4:13 pm

    I told Miglo early in the piece ‘this concept could win the bloggies’, but he wasn’t interested in my suggestion.

    Since then its all gone downhill, even John Lord has become a conspiracist …. apparently Fairfax and the Murdocracy have ganged up against a legitimate guvmint.

  192. March 17, 2013 4:23 pm

    Yes El Gordo
    there is a great deal to recommend firstly a group blog about politics and modern life but like a good newspaper you have to have a variety of viewpoints, a good humoured attitude to the topics and most importantly some light and shade on the posting. When you make the whole thing just about domestic politics you exclude the participation of all but the politics tragics. Like a good news magazine it does not hurt to have some popular culture or even posts about cooking or even DIY. The non political pieces allow even those who are at odds politically to find common ground and then when they cross swords on politics Its easier to keep it civil.

  193. March 17, 2013 4:30 pm

    Some of John Lord’s posts are quite interesting. He does seem a bit odd though – he keeps re-posting the same comment over and over again about “pornography.”

    Catching Up on the other hand, clearly inhabits some sort of bizarre parallel universe completely devoid of any correlation to events unfolding in “the real world.”

    Her comment strings are like some of unhinged hallucinogenic trip. But Minglo think she’s just sensational. Maybe she’s got something on them? I can’t think of any other reason why she’s consistently allowed to dictate who should and shouldn’t be allowed to comment there.

    She’s like the Rupert Murdoch of Minglo and Ad Astra’s blogs (but without the incredible wealth of course)…

  194. March 17, 2013 4:38 pm

    Amazing hypocrisy rules over there Reb, shortly after getting all sanctimonious about me naming Florence Hovarth as CU/FU he then decides to name both you and El Gordo in the comments! His moral consistency must occupy the same part of his brain that has dictated the way that he moderates his comments.

  195. March 17, 2013 4:47 pm

    I noticed that Iain…

    The hypocrisy is astounding, but I’ve come to expect that from Minglo and the Gillard Cheer Club..

    But it kind of supports what I’ve been saying all along, they’ve simply adopted all the qualities and traits that they find so abhorrent in the msm and people like Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones.

    But it is hilarious to watch them all protest that that”s not what they’re doing at all… 🙂

  196. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 4:47 pm

    Thanks Iain, it would have been better not to have known. The man has committed a cardinal sin on the blogosphere and I hope he burns in hell.

  197. March 17, 2013 4:50 pm

    “The man has committed a cardinal sin on the blogosphere”

    Yep. Says a lot about him doesn’t it.

  198. March 17, 2013 4:53 pm

    And yet in the same breath he says the reason he is banning people is because they are nasty, apparently…Go figure..

  199. March 17, 2013 5:05 pm

    Reb
    I call them the “Gillard Glee Club” because it has a very nice ring to it 😉
    El Gordo
    You and I will have to agree to disagree about the morality of naming the anonymous but that said I see nothing in the things that you post that make either you or Reb deserve to be outed like that.

  200. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:10 pm

    The fact remains, those nutty ALP crotchsniffers were allowed to abuse & insult Iain & others, en masse; at will & without deterrent or rebuke. The evidence is there (& in the wayback machine) for all to see.

    I have no problem with inane abuse, people need to harden the fuck up…but, it’s pretty clear that the right to reply in kind simply doesn’t exist over there. If Iain/YomM/reb had made similar abusive comments to some of those I’ve read from the horde, they’d have been kicked instantaneously.
    So yes, a mirror image of the worst traits of Bolt’s blog.

    The common theme being, if you’re on the right side you can say whatever the fuck you please. If you’re ‘different’…not necessarily cheering for the enemy, but perhaps deriding the prevailing sentiment…then you’re barely tolerated.
    There was always a litany of calls there to prohibit dissenting voices. They’re not genuinely interested in discussion, or argument; they want dominance in an unchallenged environment.

    Removal of unhelpful contrarianism is the strategy de jour.

  201. March 17, 2013 5:24 pm

    toilettopower

    Sadly all that you say is right on the money now I may well be in the common parlance an “evil right winger” but at my own humble page I predominately get comments taking issue with my opinions but I work damn hard to ensure that I am fair and morally consistent in may moderation decisions, I know that I’m not perfect at it but even on a bad day I do better than Michael Taylor and co.

    Its all down to personal insecurity as far as I can see, and a dour lack of anything even faintly resembling a sense of humour. You see I personally look at politics as a game and all of the pollies, jurnos and opinionistas as the players. I take none of it too seriously and enjoy it in a way that footy fans enjoy it. Thus I think I have enough detachment not to get upset when things don’t go the way that I would prefer.

  202. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:30 pm

    Don’t think so Iain. You’re just a troll and a tool. Most people who encounter you reach that conclusion, most sooner, some later. Perhaps if you were capable of a bit of self reflection you might understand why. Until then, no chance.

  203. March 17, 2013 5:35 pm

    Care to put your name to that “Trendy”?

    Thought not ! 🙄

  204. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:39 pm

    Why, so you do what you usually do and google it? Then post links to my blog, pictures of me, info about where I work? Not a chance boyo.

  205. March 17, 2013 5:41 pm

    Why would I bother?

  206. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:43 pm

    I’ve encountered, Iain, around the traps many times.

    I often laugh my arse off at his worldview; so, errr, distant as it is from my own.

    But, he & others went to great pains to comment in a benign, almost neutered, fashion… contrary to the prevailing sentiment. For this, they were set upon by a cacophony of blog limpets & ideological arselickers; then, eventually banned.

    Having an opposing opinion isn’t reason enough to be classified as a bullseye for the myopic.

    Now they’re free to indulge their political frotteurism in a frenzy of confirmation bias & self convincing.

    Australian ALPlickers Clique Chamber, more like it.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:47 pm

    hoho … another Bear!

    I take none of it too seriously and enjoy it in a way that footy fans enjoy it.

    Ya certainly do, Iain, but I wish you wouldn’t throw full cans of grog at the players … they sometimes miss and hit other folk!

  208. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:47 pm

    Iain Hall’s politics have nothing to do with how others treat him. That’s down to his own despicable conduct.

  209. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:49 pm

    Anyway, if you guys want to have Iain as a regular on your blog, you’re welcome to him. It may keep him away from other blogs, if only for a while. Just don’t upset him or you will find yourself trolled, googled and blogged about by one of the web’s most pernicious characters.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:49 pm

    My sympathies to those outed … that is a big, NO, NO, in my book … akin to identity theft …

  211. March 17, 2013 5:52 pm

    Indeed TB…

    I could respond by publishing intimate details of Miglo’s personal affairs but I’m not going to stoop to his level.

  212. March 17, 2013 5:53 pm

    toilettopower

    As you suggest I’ve been around the traps for a long time and I do like to go into the “enemy trenches” because, well, I just like a good argument and I learnt a long time ago to be as pleasant and affable as possible when I’m arguing about anything I take as my mantra “he who first raises their voice is the loser of the argument”. It infuriates those who want their opposites politically to be just as their propaganda tells them they should be.

    I respect those I argue with if they can avoid personal attacks and I even feel some warmth for some of them who frequent my own blog. Blogging even about politics is supposed to be fun rather than a blood sport sadly too many think otherwise.

  213. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:56 pm

    Agreed, teebee.

    If people choose to out themselves, that’s different.

    I note that you, me, KL, 730 etc apparently aren’t a part of this blog, for all its pros & cons, in the eyes of those who’d prefer to see the world in monotones. You’re much more lively than a barman.

  214. toilettopower permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:58 pm

    “It infuriates those who want their opposites politically to be just as their propaganda tells them they should be. ”

    Unfortunately, most political blogging does indeed lapse into derivative partisan commentary.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 5:58 pm

    bear, (smartarse initials too)

    most posters here have a number of years commenting …

    … and many of us have tangled with Iain … and many others who turn up on this site who tend to piss off both left right and centre posters … yep, we’ve got ’em all …

    … one thing most of us really see red about is some “newbie/stranger” telling us what we should and shouldn’t do … I’ll leave it to one of my more well mannered colleagues to advise you where your advice should be placed …

    I’m sure you’ll be able to post whatever and whenever you like … the Blogmeaster is extremely tolerant … but do expect some sharp riposte, slashing replies and thrusting comments heading your way … 🙂

    I’m sure we’ll have fun … 😈

  216. March 17, 2013 6:01 pm

    “Trendy”
    You sound very like someone who has a whole blog devoted to attacking moi.
    The phrases you use are a dead give-away.
    Anyway I have never actually harmed any other blogger and I am well over the fights that earned me my err,, “reputation” that idiots like you work so very hard to perpetuate.

  217. March 17, 2013 6:09 pm

    toilettopower

    Its flat out tribalism as far as I can see and its what will undermine the idea of blogging raising in esteem enough to be taken seriously as a so called “fifth estate”. As long as a sizeable percentage of blog commentators act like idiots (and neither side of the spectrum are innocent of this) then that will be the public image of the medium. Grown ups who can argue with civility and without rancour is what we need to be taken seriously as apart of the national discussion on issues we care about.

  218. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 6:10 pm

    The newest example of self justification for abandoning blog principles is ‘repetition’!!

    How about repetition of ‘blame the media. Or ‘AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott’. Or ‘Craig is innocent’

    Dull ignoramus.

  219. March 17, 2013 6:14 pm

    Ok ToM
    I confess,
    Mea Culpa,
    I repeatedly pointed out the wrongness of their arguments and the clay like nature of the object of their adoration’s feet ….
    😆

  220. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 6:22 pm

    ‘You and I will have to agree to disagree about the morality of naming the anonymous’

    Yeah, well you’re just as guilty as him. A pox on both your houses.

    And anyway, typical of hate media (AIMN), their reporter got it wrong … its a ‘works’ computer and I’m a sensitive male.

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 6:28 pm

    The difference between this site and the ones Miglo runs is that reb allows debates to run their course.

    Miglo bans people, then allows his mates to hang around and beat their chests, and congratulate him on o brave banning decision.

    Miglo doesn’t ban people for abuse, he bans them for intelligence – they make points that the dolts find difficult.

    That’s why they’ve self selected out of this site too, the aren’t quite sharp enough.

  222. March 17, 2013 6:34 pm

    El Gordo
    I don’t care who anyone is when it comes to their blogging until they misuse their “cloak of invisibility” as a licence to act like an arsehole then they are fair game. You have not ever done anything to qualify as fair game in my book and the same goes for Reb even though he and I have had our fair share of stoushs on various issues.
    Anyway if you are interested you can always check out my posts on the subject: http://iainhall.wordpress.com/?s=anonymity&submit= and you will discover why I think the way that I do about it.

  223. March 17, 2013 6:38 pm

    ToM

    I already like the cut of Reb’s Jib here and as I suggested in my first comment here I find the attitude here most refreshing and the tone and atmosphere truly a breath of fresh air.

  224. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 7:11 pm

    I’m with Jason Wilson. Iain you are exhibiting the qualities of an agent provocateur by taking this blog war to a higher level.

    Have you given any thought to starting up a new blog, similar AIMN design but an entirely different attitude?

    I would write a post.

  225. March 17, 2013 7:26 pm

    El Gordo
    I don’t get the Jason Wilson reference to be honest, I like the good doctor even though I have on occasion take the piss out of him but he has taken it as the good natured jibe I intended it to be. That said I am well and truly over the “blog war” thing I have had nearly eight years of it now and I am so bored with it all.
    As for your suggestion my own blog already has three other guest authors who post with varying frequency and all have rather different political perspectives, heck one is even a dyed in the wool Labor man! If you want to write for me you will be more than welcome to submit copy to my email (link at my blog) neither the topic or your approach will be dictated by me as long as you properly cite any references and make sure that you don’t defame anyone.

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2013 7:41 pm

    Thank goodness I run, Kaspersky …

  227. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 8:01 pm

    Thanx, but no. It would have to be a fresh blog, structurally the same as AIMN.

  228. March 17, 2013 9:23 pm

    El Gordo I would be more than happy to start a “fresh blog” however I would need the commitment of more potential authors than just you and I as for the format that could be discussed privately with anyone interested in being involved. but I don’t particularly like the design of AIMN its rather too dour and minimalist for may taste.

  229. Alan permalink
    March 17, 2013 9:33 pm

    It’s a damn sight better than the cesspit, or this one…….http://splaterverse.wordpress.com/
    Besides you already have 7698 blogs Mr Hall.

  230. March 17, 2013 9:44 pm

    Oh alan how predictable that you should follow me here.

  231. paul permalink
    March 17, 2013 9:51 pm

    Yes Hall, how many blogs does one have, how many locked, how many deleted, the biggest pest on the internet, you are a joke

  232. Alan permalink
    March 17, 2013 9:51 pm

    As I have said you are impossible to avoid.

    Just like you I sit in front of a computer all day every day, but unlike you I am actually earning my living at the same time.

    Never mind, reading this site the people seem reasonable enough to me, so it won’t take long before they are wishing you gone, I shouldn’t imagine.

    Your latest at splatersville or whatever it is called, is ridiculous.
    A guy has a job earning a wage or running a business, and you can see something wrong with that.

  233. March 17, 2013 9:54 pm

    @ how incredibly predictable you have the wrong Admax media… 🙂

  234. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 9:58 pm

    Iain has a strange collection of friends.

  235. March 17, 2013 10:01 pm

    Sorry Reb but my fan club have followed me here I won’t respond to their crap here

  236. March 17, 2013 10:03 pm

    Yes el gordo and they wonder why I am so disdainful with them, as the follow me around the internet.

  237. paul permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:05 pm

    what’s the matter Hall, afraid what people may find out about you, especially what u say on twitter

  238. Power down permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:07 pm

    😯

  239. Alan permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:08 pm

    The problem Mr Hall, is that you bring it all upon yourself.
    Your fan club consists of one person….yourself.

  240. Alan permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:14 pm

    And the reason I came here(I can’t speak for the others), is because I heard you were banned at that site for something that you wrote here.
    So naturally, I came looking for it, to see what you said that got you banned back there.

    This site is different, but it appears to be frequented by reasonable people, so you will sooner or later be found out for what you are.

  241. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:50 pm

    “And the reason I came here……. is because I heard you were banned at that site for something that you wrote here.
    So naturally, I came looking for it, to see what you said that got you banned back there….”

    LOL

    Ok ………………. I think I now understand .

    But I might not because if I did understand I probably would be misunderstanding my original understanding and therefore my understanding.

    Yes it makes sense.

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2013 10:59 pm

    Identifying bloggers against their wishes is about the lowest act I can imagine in blogging. It shows the weakest of character. Catching Up previously posted under her own name.
    ——————-
    Welcome to others, you’ll find this a challenging and diverse site.

  243. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 17, 2013 11:24 pm

    Nielsen survey is 56 to 44

    Abbott won’t be happy. He needs Julia

  244. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:13 am

    Identifying bloggers against their wishes is about the lowest act I can imagine in blogging.

    And it’s what Iain Hall is best known for.

  245. March 18, 2013 7:38 am

    And that’s what Miglo is now known for.

  246. March 18, 2013 7:44 am

    Welcome newcomers….

    It seems that more and more people are waking up to the farce that the lofty “Australian Independent Media Network” has become … including this latest comment from Dirk Rossey which will no doubt be deleted….

    This AUSTRALIAN INDEPENDENT MEDIA NETWORK is like most things related to labor one big spinning lie…. it’s totally not independent, and that’s fine…

    And your ‘research origins’ are laughable…. ‘Roosevelt Institutes’ – ‘citizens journalism’ are all similar labels covering left wing ignorants who tax the wealth out of an economy. Sad really, but you get what you deserve… just look at Europe and USA.

    At least I’m not putting bills into parliament to stop this spin-lie from continuing because I belief in free speech. Keep at it, without me, I’ve seen enough….”

    I guess Dirk will be joining the growing list of “the banned”…… 😯

  247. March 18, 2013 7:47 am

    “Catching Up previously posted under her own name.”

    Indeed. And when she did so here and then requested that I change her real name back to “Catching Up” I did so without any fuss in order to respect her confidentiality.

  248. March 18, 2013 7:47 am

    I suppose that we should be thankful that Micheal’s “flash mob” have paid us a visit here to show us just the sort of bully boy tactics are employed to stifle any voices outside their own narrow ideological conception of virtue. Especially as it utterly validates the point that Reb is making in his post here.

  249. March 18, 2013 7:52 am

    Dirk seems like an alright guy to me Reb and I suspect that you are right that he will join the banned sooner or later. because he is already getting the same treatment as the rest of us.

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:42 am

    Catching Up used to post under her own name, sometimes put her email address as her name and used a photograph of herself. Catching Up never sought to be an anonymous blogger, and never was.

    On the other hand, people are entitled to blog without identifying themselves if that is what they choose.

    Miglo has yet again dishonestly used the confidential information he obtains through blogging, he has plenty of history in doing that.

  251. March 18, 2013 8:59 am

    ToM

    On the other hand, people are entitled to blog without identifying themselves if that is what they choose.

    I tend to agree however I always add the caveat that suggests that such an entitlement ends when they use their anonymity to act like and A/hole, and by that I don’t just mean having a different political mindset or view I mean constantly abusing people and personally attacking them , especially of those being attacked are using their real names.

  252. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:08 am

    No, I don’t think that’s right Iain.

    Some people choose to use their real names, and that is a matter for them. If you decide to use your real name, that’s a matter for you, it has nothing to do with the people you have exchanges with.

    In this case, Miglo has befriended people, and then, in his typical fit of pique used their misplaced trust against them. I think that is a particularly low act.

  253. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:14 am

    What have I got to do with that site Mr Hall?
    Absolutely nothing is what, so take your nonsense and shove it where it hurts.

    I read it is all I do, and one contributor there is, (unlike you Mr Hall) an excellent writer, that articulates himself very well.

    It is certainly wrong to identify people, and by far the main offender on the net, is one Mr Hall.
    I know nothing of that Miglo guy, so if he does it, he is wrong too, but that in no way exonerates Hall.

    As for your….”narrow ideological conception of virtue”, I don’t have any, so cut the bullshit Hall.
    I despise the whole lot of them, but not as much as I do you.

  254. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:21 am

    I agree with ToM, we are looking at a ‘typical fit of pique’.

  255. March 18, 2013 9:24 am

    Miglo has befriended people, and then, in his typical fit of pique used their misplaced trust against them. I think that is a particularly low act.”

    It is a low act, but it doesn’t surprise me…

  256. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:25 am

    AIMN Disclaimer reads……………….

    “Privacy

    The owner of this blog do not share personal information with third-parties nor does the owner store information collected about your visit. The owner is not responsible for the republishing of the content found on this blog on other Web sites or media without permission.

    Blog Comments

    The owner, the administrators or authors of this blog reserve the right to edit or delete any comments submitted to this blog without notice due to:

    1. Comments deemed to be spam or questionable spam
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    Terms and Conditions

    All content provided on this blog is for informational purposes only. The owner of this blog make no representations as to the accuracy or completeness of any information on this site or found by following any link on this site. The owner will not be liable for any errors or omissions in this information nor for the availability of this information. The owner will not be liable for any losses, injuries, or damages from the display or use of this information.

    This policy is subject to change at any time.”

    There is already a case before the Courts where someone was named on a blog by the Owner of the site.

    Not a fellow Blogger but the Owner

    Miglo might find himself at the end of some very very expensive legal action. LOL

  257. March 18, 2013 10:03 am

    “The owner of this blog do not share personal information with third-parties”

    So Miglo can’t even adhere to his own guidelines.

  258. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:05 am

    QUOTING Hall:
    “I suppose that WE should be thankful that Micheal’s “flash mob” have paid US a visit here to show US just the sort of bully boy tactics are employed to stifle any voices outside their own narrow ideological conception of virtue. Especially as it utterly validates the point that Reb is making in his post here.”

    Didn’t take long to ingratiate yourself, did it Hall.
    It’s already ‘we’ and ‘us’

    One of the boys now are you?
    Now that is funny.

  259. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:15 am

    Stick around Alan, I like your style.

  260. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:20 am

    ‘Miglo might find himself at the end of some very very expensive legal action. LOL’

    As he’s close to a nervous breakdown because of Iain, he could plead temporary insanity.

  261. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:27 am

    el gordo,

    You may need to take a vote to make sure all of the ‘we’s’ agree.
    There will be one dissenting voice at least, provided of course, that he has been given full voting rights, as he seems to think he has.

    Assuming I am now one the we’s, I vote, um, what are ‘we’ voting on!

  262. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:31 am

    On 14 September 2011 the Australian Government established an independent inquiry into the Australian media. The inquiry was led by former Justice of the Federal Court of Australia, Mr Ray Finkelstein QC. The inquiry reported to government on 28 February 2012.”

    Now I wonder what people would be saying if it was the Howard govt that set up this inquiry??

  263. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:33 am

    Iain: “I tend to agree however I always add the caveat that suggests that such an entitlement ends when they use their anonymity to act like and A/hole, and by that I don’t just mean having a different political mindset or view I mean constantly abusing people and personally attacking them , especially of those being attacked are using their real names.”

    And who gets to decide if someone is acting like an A/hole? People say that about me all the time. Does that make me fair game? By assuming that power to yourself as judge, jury and executioner you are showing yourself to be a narcissist par excellence, not to mention an utter, utter C*nt. Maybe that means I’m fair game now? How about if I add, that you are terminally stupid, notwithstanding that your heart is often in the right place?

    The fact that you have reserved to yourself the right to reveal the identity of people who have chosen to remain anonymous, even if it means they may be punished at work or lose their job over it, is ample support for all of the above statements (except the one about your heart being in the right place which, come to think of it, is probably just me being too nice to you).

  264. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:44 am

    ‘You may need to take a vote to make sure all of the ‘we’s’ agree.’

    This is not a chat room.

  265. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:49 am

    I don’t comment on things I don’t know anything about.

    So for starters…………….

  266. March 18, 2013 10:52 am

    Not interested in Bullies,..but if your remotely interested in the Media reform debate without the hysteria you can stream it here

    http://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Events/Watch_Parliament

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:59 am

    Ricky, one of the things that people notice here is attention to grammar and spelling!! Other than that, it’s all pretty friendly.

    “but if your you’re remotely interested in the Media reform”

  268. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:01 am

    Correct answer Alan, welcome.

    But if you ever feel the urge to learn more … there is a shed out the back called ‘CO2 and You’.

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:03 am

    Now with regard to the media…

    Just about everyone, other than Murdoch and Fairfax, would like to see more diversity, but I’d like a specific domestic example of reporting that would have been subjected to the new scrutiny. If there isn’t a specific example, then it looks a little like a self-interested political response.

  270. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:10 am

    So how did you make your question disappear?
    Handy trick to have, just in case Tom was ready to pounce on my grammatical errors!

  271. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:14 am

    The blogmasta finds such discussions offensive and has used his editorial powers effectively.

  272. Fed up permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:15 am

    Iain,you have my name wrong. I am sure that ToM could give you the right information. It has never been a great secret.

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:26 am

    Hello Catching Up, you’ll notice that you’re not banned! Congratulations for participating on an open and accessible site!

    You might also note the following-

    1. Miglo became highly agitated a year or so ago when an oblique observation was made about his public sector employment, and blogging while a public servant.
    2. He was also particularly agitated when Grogs Gamut was identified.
    3. He’s now specifically named people who choose to blog anonymously, this is in breach of his own policy
    4. You Catching Up/Fed Up used your own name in the past, provided an email address and photograph
    5. Therefore Miglo has yet again proven to be a dishonest hypocrite.

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:26 am

    but I’d like a specific domestic example of reporting that would have been subjected to the new scrutiny

    Forget the media how about ALP politicians eg. Conroy

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/question-to-stephen-conroy-who-has-made-up-stories-minister/story-fn8qlm5e-1226598517536

    No journalist could consider Conroy’s period as minister without focusing on his commitment to high-quality broadband. He outlined his plans on the ABC’s Inside Business on February 10, 2008.

    What we have said is that we won’t contribute more than $4.7 billion, whether it’s a fibre-to-the-node or fibre-to-the-home proposal,” he told Alan Kohler. “So fibre to the home has some wonderful potential but it is more costly and people have got to build the business case; they can’t expect the government’s going to give more than $4.7bn.”

    No doubt many took Conroy at his word, especially some of the more, shall we say, regulated media. Yet we now know he went for a National Broadband Network based on a fibre-to-the-home model and rendering that $4.7bn pledge redundant.

    On Lateline on September 29, 2010, Conroy said: “The government will only need to put in $27bn at most.” Fair enough; time for the media to adjust numbers – by 600 per cent”

  275. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:38 am

    And who gets to decide if someone is acting like an A/hole? People say that about me all the time. Does that make me fair game? By assuming that power to yourself as judge, jury and executioner you are showing yourself to be a narcissist par excellence, not to mention an utter, utter C*nt… The fact that you have reserved to yourself the right to reveal the identity of people who have chosen to remain anonymous, even if it means they may be punished at work or lose their job over it, is ample support for all of the above statements

    Great comment, splatterbottom, and very appropriate given Iain Hall’s shonky attitude towards anonymity and his regular attempts to ‘out’ people on the internet. Which if I recall started with him posting under a pseudonym while trying to expose someone else using a pseudonym.

  276. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:42 am

    NoS: “Now I wonder what people would be saying if it was the Howard govt that set up this inquiry??”

    Of course they would be having a fit! We are all familiar with the stinking unprincipled hypocrisy of the left. This is the very reason contemptible leftists journalists are welcoming this assault on freedom of the press. Mind you, I would be having a fit as well. The difference is that my guiding principle in this area is freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Their guiding principle is the insertion of their warm wet slavering tongues as far as possible into the anuses of leftist politicians.

  277. March 18, 2013 11:48 am

    “Great comment, splatterbottom, and very appropriate given Iain Hall’s shonky attitude towards anonymity and his regular attempts to ‘out’ people on the internet.”

    So rather than just criticise Iain Hall for this, can we expect you to similarly criticise Miglo for doing exactly the same thing….??

  278. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:23 pm

    If that’s what he did, then yes. I didn’t come here via Miglo’s site though, so I’m not fully informed about the goings on there.

  279. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:24 pm

    Quick question though. Has Miglo ever sent someone a bottle of scotch in exchange for the ID of an anonymous blogger, so he could out them online?

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:31 pm

    “sent someone a bottle of scotch in exchange for the ID of an anonymous blogger”

    Did Iain do that? What a contemptible thing to do!

  281. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:39 pm

    Whereas Miglo has simply befriended people, the, in his typical 16 year old girl* style tantrum, used the personal information they trusted him with.

    (*Sincere apologies to any 16 year old girls who may read this)

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:40 pm

    then, in his typical…”

  283. toilettopower permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:53 pm

    There is some wiki site somewhere which I’ve been shown, a few years back, which details the infamous scotchgate incident; not to mention Iain’s other notorious blog escapades. Can’t remember the name of the joint, or I’d link it for you, splatter.

    You’re probably already aware that he is also a nemesis of Jeremy Sear.

    Quite a (dis)honor roll…depending upon your particular frame of reference & which sources you’re inclined to trust (or not).

  284. toilettopower permalink
    March 18, 2013 12:56 pm

    Ooooooh, lookee above!

    Despite airs of being above it all, some erstwhile minion has decided to slum it over here. Probably to satisfy their penchant for always getting the last (garbled) word in.

    😯

  285. Wicki Watch permalink
    March 18, 2013 1:25 pm

    Odd that someone would go to this much trouble, but it is quite amusing in a listening-to-the-neighbours-arguing kind of way.

    https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Iain_Hall

  286. March 18, 2013 1:42 pm

    Splatterbottom 10:33 am

    Iain: “I tend to agree however I always add the caveat that suggests that such an entitlement ends when they use their anonymity to act like and A/hole, and by that I don’t just mean having a different political mindset or view I mean constantly abusing people and personally attacking them , especially of those being attacked are using their real names.

    And who gets to decide if someone is acting like an A/hole? People say that about me all the time. Does that make me fair game? By assuming that power to yourself as judge, jury and executioner you are showing yourself to be a narcissist par excellence, not to mention an utter, utter C*nt. Maybe that means I’m fair game now? How about if I add, that you are terminally stupid, notwithstanding that your heart is often in the right place?

    Hi there SB its been ages since you and I crossed swords eh? Now you may not agree with my opinion on this subject as is your right but my position has evolved after many years spent considering the matter in much detail and a long time dealing with individuals who gave me very good cause to take away their anonymity. Please read the posts at my blog that I linked to in the comment above.

    The fact that you have reserved to yourself the right to reveal the identity of people who have chosen to remain anonymous, even if it means they may be punished at work or lose their job over it, is ample support for all of the above statements (except the one about your heart being in the right place which, come to think of it, is probably just me being too nice to you).

    We all use the currency that we have when we are attacked and you must realise how I have been relentlessly attacked. In any event I think you may notice that anonymity on on-line political forums is increasingly losing the respect of many users. I have read your commentary over the years and think that you behave in a most respectable manner and probably would have absolutely nothing to fear even if you posted under your own name. Thus it would be easy to respect your choice to post under a screen name.
    Trendy Bear 11:38 am

    Great comment, splatterbottom, and very appropriate given Iain Hall’s shonky attitude towards anonymity and his regular attempts to ‘out’ people on the internet. Which if I recall started with him posting under a pseudonym while trying to expose someone else using a pseudonym. Trendy Bear

    Dear oh dear Trendy You reveal so much here…

    Splatterbottom 12:31 pm


    “sent someone a bottle of scotch in exchange for the ID of an anonymous blogger”

    Did Iain do that? What a contemptible thing to do!

    What “Trendy” fails to mention is that the name I was seeking was one of the crew who hacked my blogs and email accounts. rather than just some “innocent” blogger I disagreed with

  287. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 2:06 pm

    What “Trendy” fails to mention is that the name I was seeking was one of the crew who hacked my blogs and email accounts. rather than just some “innocent” blogger I disagreed with

    No, you were after his name because of disagreements. You weren’t responding to any hacking. Here is the timeline:

    Here you are in November 2007 offering “a bottle of scotch for the real name of the scrote who posts as “The Happy Revolutionary”.

    When was your email hacked? May 2008

    And many might say that by sending off booze in exchange for info about someone, you were asking to be hacked.

  288. March 18, 2013 2:14 pm

    Trendy

    The offer was certainly made before I was hacked however as the comment thread you link to at my blog demonstrates it was very clearly a piss take that I never expected would go any further. So who took it further and tried to claim the bounty I offered?

  289. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 2:31 pm

    Nobody “tried to claim the bounty”, Iain Hall, they did. They sent you a false name. And you put a bottle of scotch in the post. In other words, you spent money to find out the name of a blogger with whom you had had a tiff. All so you could expose them on your blog. I think that is utterly despicable and so will most people here, I am sure.

  290. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 2:41 pm

    Poor Mr Hall, it’s just not going how he planned it.

    He would come here, and together, ‘we’ could all kick the shit out of those idiot ‘latte sipping lefties’ from AIMN, or wherever.

    Instead he is finding that he is not too well received by some here either.

    So now he finds the need to stuff this forum with self justification tripe.

    A polite note to AIMN boss, asking them to reconsider Hall’s banning, might be a way out!

    .

  291. March 18, 2013 2:48 pm

    Alan seems nice.

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 2:48 pm

    That’s interesting. So a few years ago Iain apparently behaved as dishonourably as Miglo did just yesterday. As far as I know reb is tolerant of people’s history and doesn’t ban them.

    But to me this illustrates people should –
    • Be careful about the blogs they participate on
    • Not trust Miglo if he tries to befriend them

  293. March 18, 2013 2:59 pm

    Really, who honestly cares what people did “years ago?”

    I mean Miglo once had a sense of humour a few years ago, but no one seems bothered about that now.

  294. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:00 pm

    No reb, I’m a real bastard.

    Opinionated too, just not politically at this point in time, because we have a choice between shithouse and shithouse.

    What choice is that?

    TOM,
    I am not sure that it’s a few years ago, or, more an ongoing thing.

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:15 pm

    Alan, I went to AIMN and congratulated Miglo on setting up a new quality site. I did this on 3 or 4 occasions.

    Yet he banned me about a week ago, for politely questioning his policy on moderation and banning! Yesterday he named anonymous bloggers.

    I think that’s about as low as a blog owner can go, but hardly surprising given his past behavour.

    Iain doesn’t have much history here, and reb usually allows debates to continue without heavy handed intervention. So it tends to be up to individuals to decide whether they can put up with the scrutiny of other contributors.

    As you might have noticed, most here are particular cynical about politicians and political parties. Those who mindlessly support one side over the other don’t enjoy the scrutiny.

  296. Trickle permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:16 pm

    I don’t visit Miglo’s site, so I don’t have any interest in what he does. However I do visit sites that Iain Hall also frequents, and I am here to tell you that I would trust him about as far as I could toss him. He’s got a track record of poor online behaviour that’s longer than the queue at the Caboolture Centrelink. Trying to “out” anonymous bloggers/commenters (there have been several) ranks among some of the worst stuff he has pulled.

    Welcoming Iain Hall to your blog is like shoving a python down your undies. Sure it will be warm and cozy for a while, until you annoy him and he takes a chomp of your man jewels.

  297. March 18, 2013 3:33 pm

    “Welcoming Iain Hall to your blog…”

    I don’t think any special welcomes have been extended to Iain.

    I have crossed swords with Iain in the past, and I think I did ban him in the past when I think he just gave me the shits.

    I’m a little more tolerant these days, and besides, I think Iain’s “debating style”(for want of a better description) has become a lot more diplomatic these days…

    He certainly hasn’t done anything to warrant being banned from AIMN, however that goes for pretty much everyone else who’s been banned from that site.

  298. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:42 pm

    My view, reb, is that you have a blog then you’re entitled to ban anyone who irritates you or your friends/regulars. This is particularly true if they do it regularly. People are entitled to freedom of speech, but that doesn’t mean you have to put up with people like Iain setting up camp in your online space and pissing all over the walls. He’s not welcome at a lot of sites, not just because he’s dangerous, but also because he is persistently annoying.

  299. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:42 pm

    ‘…you may notice that anonymity on on-line political forums is increasingly losing the respect of many users.’

    Only in your mind Iain, we value anonymity here.

  300. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:44 pm

    Tom,

    I don’t know anything about AIMN, or Miglo, despite what Hall may say, nor anything about Miglo’s history.

    My interest in that site (when I found it), was reading articles by John Lord, which for some reason, struck a chord with me.

    My interests lay in a completely different field to politics, although I would prefer Labor over Liberal in general terms.
    The problem is that those old loyalties stopped being valid a good while back, for both parties.

    I guess that means that sites that are politically inspired will not usually be my cup of tea.

    It probably would make no difference to me who is in power, so I am for the one that is for the greater good, but I have no idea which one that presently is, to be honest.

    So why am I here?
    And how did I go off on a tangent!
    Sorry!

  301. March 18, 2013 3:45 pm

    ToM
    I am more than happy to agree to disagree about the issue of online anonymity with all of the good folk here even though it is a topic I have enjoyed exploring many times elsewhere .
    On my past sins, well I’m not perfect and I have sometimes done things in the past that I would do differently with the benefits of hindsight. However I can’t change the past all that I can do is try to move on and learn from my experiences.

    The flash mob that he descended here in the last day are actually a rather sad bunch who seem to spend an inordinate amount of time playing internet vigilantes to “warn” the world about my “evil ways” while being shit scared they will be exposed by me for their eternal harassment.

  302. March 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    El Gordo

    What I said to ToM about online anonymity applies to you as well BTW

  303. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    ‘…he is persistently annoying.’

    Perhaps…. but its still not a banning offence.

  304. March 18, 2013 3:50 pm

    Reb

    I like to argue about almost any topic and I appreciate that this is your playground and therefore your rules of engagement.
    Cheers

  305. March 18, 2013 3:59 pm

    Just to understand the flash mob better can I suggest that those who are interested take a look at where they are coming from, namely a blog entirely devoted to telling teh world what and “evil” man I am Note the latest post which is all about one snarky tweet that I made, http://thisismysandpit.wordpress.com/, its all weirdly obsessive in the way that they attack even the most innocuous things that I say online and obsess about my spelling.

  306. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:00 pm

    Perhaps…. but its still not a banning offence.

    It can be at a privately run blog. If someone came into your home and started annoying or insulting your family or friends, you’d turf them out. The same rule should apply to blogs. ‘Freedom of speech’ is often just a convenient excuse for people to behave like wankers.

  307. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:02 pm

    Yes, perhaps start by reading this post, which is about Iain telling someone with a heart condition and dead parents that it was down to “karma”:

    http://thisismysandpit.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/unrepentant-splater-brain-sic/

  308. March 18, 2013 4:04 pm

    Tendy
    If i told you that I have cancer what would you say?

  309. March 18, 2013 4:07 pm

    I believe in radical honesty “Trendy” http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/radical-honesty-or-strapped-for-tact/

  310. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:10 pm

    Hall,

    As far as I know, there is no ‘flash mob’.

    I have no idea if any of those others know each other, but in my case, I know nothing of any of those guys.

    We probably have one thing in common……ourself, or somebody that we love, has been targeted by you, so have a deep seated loathing of you.

    As far as spelling goes, is there not somebody addressing me as ‘lower case alan’.
    That gave me a chuckle.
    I won’t do it here, I promise; too scared!

  311. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:13 pm

    If i told you that I have cancer what would you say?

    If I was feeling generous, I’d say that I wish you well and hope you recover.
    If not, I’d say nothing. Which is what you should have done.

  312. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:15 pm

    I think your banning policy may need reviewing!

    Hall & ‘lower case alan’ would be a good start in reclaiming your blog!

  313. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:15 pm

    Press freedom is, though, the right – nay, the duty – to publicly demand answers to rude, awkward, demanding, inconvenient questions that those in power really don’t want aired. That’s why an unsavoury alliance of celebrities, politicians and lawyers are desperately trying to con you into giving it up.

    They call for legally-controlled ‘statutory regulation’ of the media, while claiming that somehow the press can still remain ‘independent’.

    It is, simply, a lie. The words ‘state-control’ and ‘free press’ simply can’t live in same sentence. And make no mistake, ‘statutory regulation’ means STATE regulation.

    If it happens, politicians will get the press they want, rather than the press they deserve. One which, aided by greedy “ambulance-chasing” lawyers, they can control.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/neil-wallis/in-defence-of-selfregulat_b_2092351.html

  314. March 18, 2013 4:20 pm

    Alan
    Do you even know what a “flash mob ” is?
    Frankly that term suits you and your pals to a tee.

    You turned up uninvited to my blog on 2012/04/26 at 8:05 am and unless you have been using another identity in the time before that there was no reason for your animosity at all.

  315. March 18, 2013 4:23 pm

    “Trendy”
    thus you prove that elsewhere you post as “Peter Wellard” because that was his line almost word for word. Its amazing that you lack the courage to use the same false name in more than one place! 😆

  316. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:23 pm

    They are NOT my pals, so you are wrong to begin with.

    Not too bright are you, but then again, you have attacked so many, you would have lost track.

    For your info, I am the same as I have always been, that then leaves somebody that I love.

  317. March 18, 2013 4:25 pm

    Good quote Power Down. especially this sentence:
    It is, simply, a lie. The words ‘state-control’ and ‘free press’ simply can’t live in same sentence. And make no mistake, ‘statutory regulation’ means STATE regulation.

  318. Trendy Bear permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:26 pm

    thus you prove that elsewhere you post as “Peter Wellard” because that was his line almost word for word.

    What, the fact that I think the same as someone else means that I am that person? Your logic needs a serious re-think, Iain Hall. I am not Peter Wellard.

  319. March 18, 2013 4:28 pm

    Alan,
    you hang out with them and share and cheer on their efforts to harass me that makes you all toerags cut from the same cloth in may book but just to be nicer in the way that I say that I describe you lot as pals.

  320. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:28 pm

    So I Googled ‘flash mob’ and still you are wrong.
    I don’t use mobile phones.
    I don’t frequent social media sites.
    I don’t know the e-mail address of any of those guys.
    In other words, I have NO contact with any of them.

  321. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:34 pm

    Iain: “its been ages since you and I crossed swords eh?”

    The interesting thing is that you and I often agree on matters. But that is not the point. I am not personally vindictive, even to my harshest critics. I don’t mind a good war of words, especially if packed with colourful language. That is all grist for the mill in blogland. A bit of emotion stirs the debate. But this issue is not the mere crossing of swords. What you did to Jeremy was rotten and wrong!

    “Now you may not agree with my opinion on this subject “

    Iain, what I disagree with is your despicable actions. And I can’t believe you tried to out Happ.

    “We all use the currency that we have when we are attacked”

    That is the excuse of every terrorist, every assassin, every psychopath. It is no excuse at all. Some people are capable of understanding that sometimes the ends do not justify the means, that there are limits, in war or in a war of words. It is a large step from invective to taking actions which may jeopardise someone’s job. That is inexcusable.

    You sir are a disgrace.

  322. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:40 pm

    It’s interesting to observe the blog war of someone else. There I was thinking that we were special!

    But it seems that everyone considers the naming of anonymous bloggers to be a complete disgrace, except for Iain and Miglo.

    Iain, that’s bad company you’re keeping.

  323. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:41 pm

    Learn something new every day, this from wiki.

    ‘A flash mob is a group of people who assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual and seemingly pointless act for a brief time, then quickly disperse, often for the purposes of entertainment, satire, and artistic expression.

    ‘Flash mobs are organized via telecommunications, social media, or viral emails.’

  324. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:44 pm

    ‘You sir are a disgrace.’

    Hear hear!

  325. March 18, 2013 4:44 pm

    Well this “flash mob”has been going on for about 4 or 5 years now….

    Will it ever end…?

  326. Alan permalink
    March 18, 2013 4:50 pm

    “Well this “flash mob”has been going on for about 4 or 5 years now….”

    Not with me it hasn’t.
    I know nothing whatsoever of that; my interest is strictly on a personal level, and is much more recent.

  327. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:09 pm

    ‘Will it ever end…?’

    🙂

  328. March 18, 2013 5:10 pm

    ToM
    Yes blog wars are such fun (not).
    As for “naming anonymous Bloggers ” over the years I have been condemned for outing Sear, when he was much like “catching up” here already long and repeatedly outed by others before I named him, Others I could have outed , and had good reason to do so but I didn’t. we all mellow as we get on and I am no different all of the real protagonists in my blog war have moved on yet a small minded clique of secondary players in the drama can’t let it go which is why they keep following me around.

    Reb
    I too ask when it will ever end,and FYI its been nearly eight years now

    SB
    When you have stood in my shoes and experienced what I have experienced then your judgement will be meaningful as it is all that you know is a very tiny part of the story told by those who have an axe to grind.

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:11 pm

    I just had to double check I was on TDT! 😯

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:14 pm

    When times are tough, a flash mob can lift the spirits.

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:14 pm

    Alan, you might think Iain is troublesome, but you should experience Miglo!

    1. He tolerated a range of ugly insults directed at some of us who contribute here, including homophobic commentary.
    2. Then he banned a couple of them for giving back about 10% of the treatment they’d received
    3. Then he banned me for either politely questioning his moderation policy, or politely commenting that Gillard had broken her written word to Andrew Wilkie
    4. Then he allowed his mates to continue the abusive commentary without the right of reply
    5. Then he personally named a couple of people who he’d previously befriended

    I’m not sure, but surely Iain’s behaviour can’t compete with that for dishonesty in blogging.

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:25 pm

    Bloody hell … at the moment its like TWO fkn gramaphone records playiing different songs …

    And for The Flash Mob (luv it) … I’ll reiterate … most regulars here have crossed words with, Iain Hall, before … in fact, sb, your “revelation” was a surprise to me … 😉

  333. March 18, 2013 5:26 pm

    armchair opinionator
    love that clip!
    this one too:

  334. March 18, 2013 5:28 pm

    TB
    its a surprise fro a couple of reasons it was ages ago and I have been trying to move on from those events ever since.

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:43 pm

    Don’t be so, coy, Iain … you of all people should know what lo-o-o-o-ong memories we posters have … 🙂

  336. March 18, 2013 5:52 pm

    Yes I get that TB even though I am not blessed with the greatest memory which Is what they invented hard drives and why I don’t delete or throw anything away.

  337. March 18, 2013 5:53 pm

    Try that again:
    Yes I get that TB, even though I am not blessed with the greatest memory myself which Is what they invented hard drives for and why I don’t delete or throw anything away.

  338. Wherever I Go, There IR permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:53 pm

    ‘I’ seems to be having an outing. Maybe ‘I’ recalls being ‘banned’ from TGT and is testing boundaries for ‘I’ and I’s shennanigans, again.

  339. March 18, 2013 5:57 pm

    Wherever I Go, There IR

    ??????
    I and I Rasta Jah Bless 😮

  340. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 5:57 pm

    IR seems familiar.

  341. March 18, 2013 6:02 pm

    a protagonist in your blog war rather than mine el Gordo?

  342. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 6:12 pm

    A free press can be good or bad, but, most certainly, without freedom a press will never be anything but bad. ~Albert Camus

    I am thankful for all the complaining I hear about our government because it means we have freedom of speech. ~Nancie J. Carmody

  343. March 18, 2013 6:14 pm

    I think one of the key differences between people who congregate on this site as opposed to the Gillard apologists who gather at sites like AIMN, Cafe Whispers and The Political Sword is that we’re actually interested in discussing events unfolding in “the real world.”

    For one thing, discussion about Gillard’s failures on asylum seekers, marriage equality and pandering to religious nut jobs, actually represents areas for Gillard to approve upon and potentially win back voters who are haemorrhaging to the Greens and the Libs…

    Whereas the Gillard apologists insist that we should all “just keep quiet” about those things, or as Catching Up puts it, discussion about those things is “not sensible” because it’s an unnecessary distraction.

    Their prevailing mindset, which is self-evident with their approach to censorship and relentless pro-Gillard/anti-Abbott posts, is that we should all just join in and sing along with with the String Quartet on the Titanic than actually voice our opinions about how things are just going so dreadfully bad under Gillard.

    That sort of logic, is just well, kind of fucked.

    Just saying.

  344. March 18, 2013 6:34 pm

    How typical…

    Miglo is now attempting to blame me, for the fact that he revealed my identity on his web site…

    Meanwhile some clown by the name of “khtagh” says

    “They hate to be know for who they actually are!! ”

    And of course, Catching Up/ Fed Up always wants to chime in with the last word with:

    “I do not want to carry on with blog wars, but…”

    Honestly, do these people have any idea just how completely idiotic they look…?

  345. March 18, 2013 6:41 pm

    No matter what your political sensibility may be we can all judge the way that each side play the game and how.good humoured they are I loved this clip form Anthony Ackroyd especially for the reaction of the real pollies:

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2013 6:42 pm

    I enjoyed the hallelujah flash mob, what a great thing to do for people. I’d love to see lots more people spreading infectious happiness.

    I just had to double check I was on TDT!

    All we need is a fat story and a rip off merchant being chased by a camera crew, our tackiness would be complete. Why do I feel like a voyeur?

    “…Wherever I Go, There IR…”

    heehee, tickles my funnybone!

    Why can’t you all meet up and sort yourselves out once and for all?

    for toM…we need media regulation because self regulation simply does not work and someone has to protect the public from collusion between powerful bodies/interests. It is obvious that many gullible people still believe everything they read in the papers. The media can change public opinion to a desired outcome based on lies, smear and ‘opinions’ eg climate change. It can act as it’s own judge and jury to slander and destroy innocent people and their lives [the UK newscorp scandals]. Do you seriously believe that a proven criminal organisation will operate above reproach and law only when in australia?

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/investigation-of-political-favours-against-news-ltd-20111122-1nszb.html

    And let’s not forget simon overland’s victimisation.

  347. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2013 6:43 pm

    “Honestly, do these people have any idea just how completely idiotic they look…?”

    Unsurprisingly these turd-worshipers share their pathetic lack of self-awareness with their idol Gillard.

  348. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 6:51 pm

    ‘The media can change public opinion to a desired outcome based on lies, smear and ‘opinions’ eg climate change.’

    Exactly my thinking, well said.

  349. March 18, 2013 6:51 pm

    “Why can’t you all meet up and sort yourselves out once and for all?”

    I tried once, but when I got there they were all too busy rehearsing their lines from the Gillard Little Golden Book of Condescending Flippant Remarks.

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2013 6:52 pm

    “It is obvious that many gullible people still believe everything they read in the papers.”

    This arrogant assumption is behind most attacks on freedom of the press. When proto-totalitarians fail to understand that reasonable people may disagree with them, they then blame the press and seek to muzzle it.

    It is the truly gullible who believe that governments can be trusted with the power to censor the media.

  351. March 18, 2013 7:04 pm

    The worst thing about the whole affair began by Conroy is that the odds of it getting up get longer every day but none of the crew over there seem to think that the process matters, and yet they think they are knowledgeable about politics.

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:11 pm

    for toM…we need media regulation because self regulation simply does not work

    You always nail it, KL!

    This arrogant assumption is behind most attacks on freedom of the press.

    Its not arrogant its true … how many Rudd v Gillard was there last month?

    I got fkn emails telling me the BS news ! I’m still getting emails about Anzac Day being “changed” … I still get … 🙄

    Its misleading and false … if they were advertisers they would have to withdraw, recant and pay a fkn FINE! The “news” is an INDUSTRY with LOTS of POWER! Self reg has NEVER worked …**

    What reporting did we get on Ashby, Pyne, Brough Conspiracy – these buggers tried to bring down an elected government and should be charged … no matter that (like Alan) its shithouse on either side … although I I must advise you that you DO lean to the RIGHT despite denials to the contraire …

    ** I come from a H&S bacground … and self reg has always been BS … money, money, money!

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:15 pm

    .. and yet they think they are knowledgeable about politics.

    Funny, I thought we all were … yet we never seem to agree?

  354. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:23 pm

    AO – It seems to me that the lack of judicial oversight and appeal is a genuine problem with the proposed regulations.

  355. The Colour Which Must Be Destroyed permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:24 pm

    It is the truly gullible who believe that governments can be trusted with the power to censor the media.

    Yes; it’s terrible that media-conglomerates, some of them MNCs, might be made subject to stronger self-regulation, encouraged to produce more local content, expected to assume some basic responsibility for adherence to factual and/or reasonable arguments when presenting news, etc, in Australian markets. On the other hand, proto-totalitarians might be proven to have it all wrong, I guess, with only a little more discussion of freedom.

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:26 pm

    ” “I do not want to carry on with blog wars, but…”

    that’s right, just ban people, then allow your mates to congratulate you for the brave decision. Then they can continue the abusive language, without providing a reply. Then they can whinge about being on the receiving end of a “blog war”

    Really, Miglo and Catching Up use odd thinking.

  357. March 18, 2013 7:30 pm

    From Miglo at AIMN….

    I would of course reply with a pertinent correction of “the facts” but naturally I’m banned from doing so…

    They don’t like their own medicine, do they?

    It was probably wrong of me to name people, but I was only returning the serve.

    From what I remember, Iain Hall was blocked at reb’s site (where ToM hangs out) so the comment of his that outed Fed Up and was abusive to myself and Ricky would have been seen by reb before clearing it. Either way, he let it happen.

    I was furious, so I responded accordingly. It may have been an over reaction, I admit.

    But I’m surprised they even saw my comment. Apparently this site is horrible, according to them, and not worth visiting. Obviously they still visit.

    I’ve been offline all day and haven’t seen what’s been happening. I note that in my absence the comment was deleted by one of the other admins. I won’t be bothering to go to reb’s site to see if he has deleted Iain Hall’s comment. It’s a place worth staying away from.

    I guess it’s much easier to inhabit your own version of “reality” when you ban anyone who might beg to differ….

    So much for “Australia’s Independent Media Network…”

    🙄

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:42 pm

    Its like watching a fkn Cold War movie … “we good” … “they bad” …

    In fact it reminds me of the choices about politics … ALP – nil … LibNits – nil …

    Absolutelybloodyastounding!

    (How to attract more viruses posters …)

  359. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:42 pm

    Miglo – Apparently this site is horrible, according to them, and not worth visiting.

    Now that is a very odd comment by Miglo. The last comment I made on his site before I was banned was –

    Just so that you know what I think…
    This is a site that has some thoughtful writers, and its objectives are laudable.
    But selective bannings and tolerance of the behaviour of the insults thrown by some of the ALP barrackers is making it into just another echo chamber.
    It’s your site Miglo, and I’ve said repeatedly that (on the basis of its objectives) it deserves success), but it needs some consistent standards of moderation and some proper explanation about why some are banned.

    ……
    The problem with AIMN is Miglo – his approach to moderation, and his actions in publishing the personal details of people he has befriended.

    It does have some good writers, such as John Lord, but anyone who now writes or contributes there would be risking any credibility they have.

  360. Gravel permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:45 pm

    I’m usually just a lurker, but I find it disturbing that Miglo has decided to reveal the identities of other bloggers who use a pseudonym. I don’t know how I would feel about someone revealing my identity online but it constitutes a gross invasion of privacy. I thought only The Australian did that sort of thing as a vendetta against bloggers.

  361. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:49 pm

    ‘It may have been an over reaction, I admit.’

    Yes, an apology would be a good start. I’ll be waiting.

  362. el gordo permalink
    March 18, 2013 7:52 pm

    ‘The problem with AIMN is Miglo’

    Yep, baccy would do a better job.

  363. March 18, 2013 8:04 pm

    “It was probably wrong of me to name people, but I was only returning the serve.”

    From where I’m standing it was Iain Hall who mentioned the already widely known identity of Catching Up…

    I fail to see what “returning the serve” means or how it justifies Miglo revealing my identity and the identity of el gordo…

    But that’s the sort of individual we’re dealing with here.

    If only he had been successful in the first attempt none of this would be happening.

    I really have no patience for LIARS and their accomplices.

  364. March 18, 2013 8:08 pm

    Gravel – Miglo has just become a sad reflection of all the tactics that he hates in the mainstream media – lies, bullshit, personal smears, and if he’s not making the personal smears he’s cheering on those that do.

    I once held some respect for him, but he’s now just become the embodiment of everything he once despised.

    Pity really.

  365. Dan permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:27 pm

    I lurk here to and its wrong to post peoples names.

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:48 pm

    Gravel and Dan … thanks for your comments!

    Always noice to see lurkers making a stand! Really …

    I remember my hesitance with my first post (and assuming that you don’t post much) … keep ’em coming, please … 🙂

  367. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:50 pm

    A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize; it is the most dangerous foe of tyranny. Where men have the habit of liberty, the press will continue to be the vigilant guardian of the rights of the ordinary citizen. ~Sir Winston Churchill

  368. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:51 pm

    Well there’s a lesson for about participating on blog sites run by oddballs.

    I also recall that it isn’t necessary to be politically opposed to Miglo to get the treatment. Nasking was knifed, Min & Miglo had the huge public spat, so did Pip.

    But this must rank as the most shocking example of bad form and bad temper. Anyone who exhibits this level of inconsistent/irrational behaviour isn’t suitable to be in charge of a blog.

  369. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:55 pm

    The organization of our press has truly been a success. Our law concerning the press is such that divergences of opinion between members of the government are no longer an occasion for public exhibitions, which are not the newspapers’ business. We’ve eliminated that conception of political freedom which holds that everybody has the right to say whatever comes into his head. ~Adolf Hitler

  370. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2013 8:58 pm

    AO – It seems to me that the lack of judicial oversight and appeal is a genuine problem with the proposed regulations.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the new body would be the oversight for the already existing ones [ACMA / PressCouncil] and step in when something is referred on to them or not dealt with properly or appropriately.

    You want the oversighter to be oversighted? What purpose would that serve?

  371. March 18, 2013 8:59 pm

    “this must rank as the most shocking example of bad form and bad temper. “

    Well surely “outing” of the personal confidential identity of your (perceived) “political opponent” on the blogosphere is a gross betrayal of trust and confidential information.

    I could return the favour by waxing lyrical about the intimate personal details I know of Miglo, his true identity his relationships and deeply personal issues, but my sense of “ethics and integrity” prevent me from doing so…

    I guess he doesn’t share the same sense of ethics and integrity, and that’s clearly a matter for him to deal with.

  372. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:01 pm

    Why should freedom of speech and freedom of the press be allowed? Why should a government which is doing what it believes to be right allow itself to be criticized? It would not allow opposition by lethal weapons. Ideas are much more fatal things than guns. Why should any man be allowed to buy a printing press and disseminate pernicious opinion calculated to embarrass the government? ~Vladimir (Nikolai) Lenin

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:04 pm

    Well AO, as I understand it, the body that regulates electronic media can be appealed through the courts. But not this new public advocate.

    I think any publicly funded administrative authority has to be subject to easy access to review and legal appeal.

    But the parliament only has a few days to consider this, which is in itself an outrage. It is in the public interest to have a vigorous public debate.

    Conroy has tried to be too clever by trying to take a short cut, to avoid any media campaign.

    He deserves to fail on this expedient tactic alone.

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:05 pm

    A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize;

    Only its not a “free press” … meaning independent and – bi-partisan … in Oz … or around the Westerrn world! Its fkn OWNED – generally by The Robber Barons!

    it is the most dangerous foe of tyranny.

    Unless it is the tyrrany itself … as directed by The Robber Barons …

    Where men have the habit of liberty, the press will continue to be the vigilant guardian of the rights of the ordinary citizen … Sir Winston Churchill

    What a load of fkn poppycock! Have you ever visited Blenheim Castle … the place that Churchill was born and grew up … landed and lauded gentry …(I went via the “back gate – thanks to my cousin …and avoided the £20 entry fee) … I wouldn’t give the prick the time of day … read more WWI, WWII history …

    Churchill was born into an aristocratic family as the grandson of the 7th Duke of Marlborough. His father, Lord Randolph Churchill, was a charismatic politician who served as Chancellor of the Exchequer; his mother, Jennie Jerome, was an American socialite

    What a man of the People … 🙄

    Don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers …

  375. March 18, 2013 9:06 pm

    And for the record, in all my history of blogging, I’ve always respected the confidentiality of my fellow bloggers irrespective of their political persuasions.

    However it’s quite clear that Miglo intended to cause me some damage by revealing my identity online in the hope that it might conflict with my job and that in all seriousness is a truly vindictive thing to do.

    Fortunately I work in other circles where that sort of thing doesn’t matter, but Miglo clearly intended to destroy my career by naming me publicly in this public forum.

    What does that tell you about (the now retired public servant) has nothing left to lose….?

  376. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:09 pm

    Freedom of conscience, of education, of speech, of assembly are among the very fundamentals of democracy and all of them would be nullified should freedom of the press ever be successfully challenged. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:10 pm

    Nasking was knifed

    Well thanks, ToM ! I was “banned ” from CW by the Farnham Bear (with the owners’ agreement) before it ever got up and running … and I was accused of being a RIGHT wing troll by the FB long before your “abuse” …

  378. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:10 pm

    My first blog comment ever, was in tim dunlop’s blogocracy. I remember feeling very new and timid, If I wasn’t allowed to be anonymous, I probably would not have commented, I would have remained a lurker.

  379. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:13 pm

    I agree reb. Remember how he did the HUGE whinge when someone alluded to him working as a public servant?

    All sorts of histrionics and drama, then almost everyone sympathised with him.

    Now he’s simply out of control, exhibiting the very worst behaviour in his one-sided moderation, banning for absolutely no reason, then publishing people’s names to cause them damage.

    All that on top of his previous questionable record of integrity. People should only participate on his sites with great care.

  380. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:13 pm

    Freedom of conscience, of education, of speech, of assembly are among the very fundamentals of democracy and all of them would be nullified should freedom of the press ever be successfully challenged. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

    FFS! Its 2013 … and your quoting the biggest political hypocrites in my life … Churchill and Hilter … and Lenin?

    Why should the fkn Bible be printed!

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:18 pm

    TOm … your obsessed too … get over it!

    If I wasn’t allowed to be anonymous, I probably would not have commented,

    Agree, KL, and NOW … ’cause its not just me … but my family …

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:23 pm

    Me too AO. I certainly wouldn’t comment if it wasn’t anonymous, clearly there are plenty of nutcases around.

    Do you remember when I observed that a former prominent union official commented at CW, and no one there realised who it was? You were interested to know.

    At the time, for the sake of harmony, I didn’t tell you.

    But I don’t feel that need now.

    It was Irene Bolger, former leader of the Nurses Federation, the only nurse’s union official to lead an industrial campaign and strike strike, to support decent pay and conditions.

    You have probably heard of her.
    ————————-

    Well excuse me TB. I only recall Nasking being hounded out of the place.
    —–
    Miglo made approaches to me to meet in Canberra a while ago, as I travel there quite regularly.

    I’m glad I didn’t take up the offer.

  383. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:23 pm

    Until 1694, England had an elaborate system of licensing. No publication was allowed without the accompaniment of a government-granted license … One form of speech that was widely restricted in England was seditious libel, and laws were in place that made criticizing the government a crime. The King was above public criticism and statements critical of the government were forbidden, according to the English Court of the Star Chamber. Truth was not a defense to seditious libel because the goal was to prevent and punish all condemnation of the government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England

  384. March 18, 2013 9:24 pm

    The news on the street is that Miglo’s name is JUST FILTH in revealing confidential information about other posters on the interwebs and rightly so.

    Christ knows why I stood by him for so long….

  385. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:33 pm

    Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. ~Napoleon

  386. March 18, 2013 9:37 pm

    ‘Miglo made approaches to me to meet in Canberra a while ago, as I travel there quite regularly.”

    Not you too…?

    He approached me too – suggesting that a meeting in Melbourne “could be arranged…”

    Two-timing slut…!

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:37 pm

    Power Down … you should … the bill won’t pass, the Robber Barons have already won – the state (ie control of the country) … you sound like one of ToM’s sock puppets … s’OK I know you aren’t … he doesn’t research historical quotes …

    But you do sound like a member of the Young Liberals studying Sociology … its obviously not going too well …

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:38 pm

    Two-timing slut…!

    Fkn hell! GMAFB! 😆

  389. March 18, 2013 9:40 pm

    Maybe he’s just prepared to sleep with who ever’s prepared to pay for dinner and the mini-bar bill…!

    I’ve met those sorts of guys before, and they’re more common than you might think…:)

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:49 pm

    Suspended Labor MP Craig Thomson, however, is believed to have told Mr Conroy he would not change his mind to oppose the legislation.

    What an arshole … **

    (** sarc alert)

    Chuckle … I’ve met those sorts of guys before, and they’re more common than you might think…:)

    Really? … 😯

  391. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:54 pm

    A democracy ceases to be a democracy if its citizens do not participate in its governance. To participate intelligently, they must know what their government has done, is doing and plans to do in their name. Whenever any hindrance, no matter what its name, is placed in the way of this information, a democracy is weakened, and its future endangered. This is the meaning of freedom of press. It is not just important to democracy; it is democracy. ~Walter Cronkite

  392. Bacchus permalink
    March 18, 2013 9:56 pm

    reb, to be fair, I have been aware of your identity for a couple of years, just from things posted online. Likewise el gordo while I didn’t know your name, if I’d wanted to, I could easily have tracked you down from information you’d supplied online.

    With TB, a certain scumbag let information free some years back that would have given me all I needed to find you, should I be so inclined. Same with our Toiletdude – same source too 😉

    I’d worked out who Min, Miglo and Nasking were too, before names were revealed on the blogs.

    While I have no interest in knowing any of this information, perhaps some need to be a bit more careful with what they post online, IF they wish to maintain their anonymity – there are some less than “nice” people out in blogland – Mr Hall’s history should demonstrate that…

    That having been said, I do agree Migs was wrong to post the names he did, as he’s admitted himself…

    These crazy “blog wars” have been going on for far too long, sucking the life out of what could otherwise be good blogs, fuelled by “certain elements” with nefarious intent 😉

  393. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:11 pm

    Freedom of the media and the press is among the oldest and most valued freedoms for which people the world over have fought. The ANC has extended its solidarity and shall continue to support journalists, editors, writers and other media people who face persecution because they seek to exercise this right. Those of us who experienced the oppressive measures that the apartheid government took against the media were relieved that we are, at last, heading towards a dispensation that protects citizens’ right to information. ~Nelson Madela

  394. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:23 pm

    Freedom of the press is a precious privilege that no country can forego. ~Mahatma Ghandi

    http://archive.org/stream/MahatmaGandhiTheJournalist/TXT/00000174.txt

  395. March 18, 2013 10:31 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/730reportland/status/313613150991818753
    With all their bleating on media regulation, none had the brain to say this on #qandaland

  396. March 18, 2013 10:35 pm

    try again!

  397. March 18, 2013 10:40 pm

    try using https

  398. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:48 pm

    In my opinion, the newspapers are equal to the courts – and sometimes ahead of the courts in our system – in protecting the people’s fundamental rights. ~U.S. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy

  399. Power down permalink
    March 18, 2013 10:52 pm

    If the press is not free, if speech is not independent and untrammeled, if the mind is shackled or made impotent through fear, it makes no difference under what form of government you live, you are a subject and not a citizen. ~U.S. Sen. William E. Borah

  400. March 18, 2013 10:57 pm

    now l`m giving #Latelineland a serve

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:00 pm

    In reply to Bacchus, I’ll only say that I can’t imagine how I could have been any more polite or more complimentary to Miglo, right up until be banned me.

    So you might explain who “the elements” are.
    ————
    Lulu wanted to turn up to the Canberra rendezvous, but she has particularly poor taste in men.

  402. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:02 pm

    I can’t find where Miglo named reb and el gordo on his site now.

    Has he taken it down ?

    Oh well. It don’t matter if he did. I took a good ” photo” of it like when they had a spat between themselves awhile back.

    So I have the evidence and Miglo has 7 years of sleepless nights awaiting him.

    What will reb and eg do ?

    Let him stew for a while as I hear this part of the Law is fast developing.

    Eg you might never need to go near Centrelink in a few years. Miglo might be about to fund you with his bullying tactics.

    LOL.

    Much amused I must say

  403. March 18, 2013 11:08 pm

    emma is grilling tony windsor on #Latelineland

  404. Cornholio permalink
    March 18, 2013 11:32 pm

    It sure is developing fast, Walrus. Have you accounted for joinder and/or countersuit?

  405. March 19, 2013 12:04 am

    “_ the new body would be the oversight for the already existing ones [ACMA / PressCouncil] and _”
    armchair, the proposed `News_Media_Council` was to be a merging of ackma and apc which would deal with all embedded media stupidity, with more beefed-up regulation and penalty rules and mandatory (not_optional) funding.
    .
    zombie media threw a tantrum over the NMC recommendations from Finkelstein and engaged in running muck-stories about the inquiry.

  406. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 19, 2013 12:54 am

    zombie media threw a tantrum over the NMC recommendations from Finkelstein and engaged in running muck-stories about the inquiry.

    Yeah, once again guilty of misrepresenting the facts, making out it’s a free speech issue, when it is one of responsibility and accountability. Let’s face it, if they had’ve acted with some level of decency in the first place and not been running rogue for so long, it would not have come to this [tiny regulation]. They refuse to have any controls at all, think they are a law unto themselves and refuse to self-regulate and abide by their own codes.

    They can still spout as much crap as they like, that won’t change, but they may have to publicly account for it sometimes when they cross the line and harm real people. Every other organisation has some kind of regulation [except politicians]. The criminal activities of newscorp in the UK and the GFC show just what unregulated industries are capable of.

  407. March 19, 2013 1:25 am

    “_ making out it’s a free speech issue, _”
    actually the Finkelstein recommendations were really quite modest and measured, the screeching of `free-speech` is total bullshit and the `press_shield/freedom` stuff was also protected in most part too, but the zombies moaned otherwise.
    .
    the irony is, their own behavior of news-zombies, is driving ratings and circulation numbers south, which zombies then believe they need to be more zombie-like, which then drives down ratings and circulation numbers again (continually_circular)
    .
    if the embedded news media had actually beefed-up their regs 25-30_years ago, they might not be in the death-spiral that they are in today

  408. March 19, 2013 1:34 am

    when massola outed grogsgamut

    l agree with gibbot, of course

  409. March 19, 2013 7:35 am

    Bacchus,

    I don’t have a problem with people knowing who I am…

    I communicate with a number of people on this blog using my real name via email…I trust them to respect my confidentiality in the same way that I respect theirs.

    What I do find questionable is Miglo’s decision to publish my name and egg’s on his blog.

    It was a spiteful thing to do designed to embarrass and humiliate.

    I think that says a lot about Miglo’s character..

  410. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 8:35 am

    Its hard to believe Miglo once had a sense of humour.

    I want an apology and un-fetted access to AIMN for my colleagues and moi for simply ever.

  411. March 19, 2013 8:40 am

    el gordo
    Considering how poisonous that cup of Kool-aid has become do you really want to drink there again?

  412. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 19, 2013 8:48 am

    “I want an apology……………………….”

    Yes Eg

    I think both you and reb are owed one as a minimum.

    Fellow bloggers outing others is one thing but the actual site owner after enticing comment from people on the basis of a strong promise of confidentiality is a completely different aspect.

  413. March 19, 2013 9:10 am

    Apology! I should think damages and a picture of the three of us daisy-chaining is in order.

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 19, 2013 9:17 am

    He did have a sense of humour.

    I honestly thought he would be able to put all the past acrimony behind him, and participated at AIMN with this objective.

    But I think Miglo was unwilling to get over the past, and looked for every opportunity to restart the bitterness. When he didn’t find any reason to have an argument, he just banned people without reason.

    And even after that he sunk to new depths in aberrant behaviour with his publication of people’s names.

  415. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 9:25 am

    Let’s assume he still has a sense of humour, but for one reason and another he has misplaced it.

    What I demand as compensation, for injuries caused, is a robust environment at AIMN.

  416. March 19, 2013 9:33 am

    A lot of nonsense is put forward in the name of free speech and a free press. These are nice ideas in theory, but in practice they make a mockery of our democratic system. Once a government has been democratically elected what right have people got to criticise it?

    Just look at how political standards have fallen away due to the distraction the government faces, every day having to answer its critics. The people have spoken. A government has been elected and the naysayers should be deprived of oxygen so our elected leaders can get on with the business of implementing the platform they were elected to deliver. Or, in some cases, the compromise platform forced upon them in order to be able to form government, even if it means breaking a few key promises.

    Stephen Conroy is a secular saint. A decent hardworking Australian who has neither sought nor savoured power, but rather a humble man who has had responsibility thrust upon him by grateful voters eager for him to regulate the inevitable chaos freedom brings. Look at the disastrous consequences of not having an internet filter and the total destruction of civil political discourse caused by free speech and a free press.

    Everyone knows that you can’t trust people to decide things for themselves. People need to be guided to the truth by Big Brother. I call on the government to celebrate Stephen Conroy’s contribution to the emergence of true democracy by declaring a national holiday – Big Brother Day – a day on which the entire population is required to show their love for Big Brother Conroy by wearing red underpants on their heads.

  417. March 19, 2013 9:33 am

    I want a poem.

    Recited by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, dressed as elves, serving mojitos.

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 19, 2013 9:58 am

    Don’t accept an apology…or a poem. Go for damages, take everything he owns!!

    I believe that’s a 1972 Holden Torana and a near new cask of fruity lexia.

  419. Ol' Sancty permalink
    March 19, 2013 10:55 am

    I still don’t know what occurred at Darling Harbour……

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2013 11:06 am

    I believe that’s a 1972 Holden Torana and a near new cask of fruity lexia.

    He’s certainly well off!

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2013 11:09 am

    I still don’t know what occurred at Darling Harbour……

    Someone obviously tried to steer their boat into the wrong harbour … how many kids do you have now, James? 😉

    Is that new avatar? Closer shot? Looks better …

  422. Ol' Sancty permalink
    March 19, 2013 11:18 am

    2. A 2yo monster (on Sunday) and a 6 week old angel.

    Yep, that’s my “other woman”. In better times. She’s a faded relic on the nature strip at the moment and sometimes I grab a cold one and sneak out to polish a foot or two.

  423. toiletcontents permalink
    March 19, 2013 11:22 am

    Did a stiff offshore breeze blow the terrytowelling hat off of your head?

  424. Ol' Sancty permalink
    March 19, 2013 11:40 am

    Stiff…….heehee…..

    No, I can be barely seen in this pic. A tiny corner of yellow above the knee of the chap sitting on the side.

  425. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 11:48 am

    ‘A government has been elected and the naysayers should be deprived of oxygen so our elected leaders can get on with the business of implementing the platform they were elected to deliver.’

    Its a minority guvmint, hastily formed, which we didn’t vote for. The polls tell politicians of the people’s discontent, giving us more clout to change leaders and policy before the election.

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2013 12:09 pm

    egg, your arguing agin a “sarc” post … have another look … 🙄

    BTW … Its a minority guvmint, hastily formed, which we didn’t vote for … weren’t you advocating the virtues of the Westminster System a couple of days ago …

    … the Gillard Government is legitemately elected … had the other lot got in there would have been just as many whiners …

  427. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 19, 2013 12:21 pm

    “… the Gillard Government is legitimately elected …”

    The members of parliament were legitimately elected and the government was legitimately (i.e. in accordance with the constitution) formed by the elected members of parliament.

  428. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 12:35 pm

    ‘have another look …’

    Uh, yeah.

  429. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 12:54 pm

    Thanx TB, the little pig is as dry as ToM.

  430. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 1:14 pm

    This thread has done extremely well, picking up over 430 comments. Many thanks to our unusual guests for their lively conversation.

    On a more serious note there is talk of a ‘public interest test’, with the ABC being eyeballed for the ridicule received by Piers Ackerman on the Insiders.

    Just gossip …

  431. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 19, 2013 2:18 pm

    ‘public interest test’

    The overriding public interest in all of this is to keep the government out of media regulation. A free press is a hallmark of democracy.

    If governments start slicing into basic democratic freedoms then we really need to entrench second amendment rights.

  432. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 19, 2013 2:20 pm

    “Thanx TB, the little pig is as dry as ToM.”

    The first part of the little pig’s post was indistinguishable from the tripe served up by those crying out for their freedoms to be truncated.

  433. March 19, 2013 4:32 pm

    ” Its a minority guvmint, hastily formed, which we didn’t vote for.”
    the mindless tea-guzzling just doesn`t stop with you, does it gordo, hastily_formed.? (17_days), didn`t_vote_for.? bullshit, and you wouldn`t be whining if Mr-Rabbit was not perceived as a dickhead by his independent colleagues and they sided with Mr-Rabbit

  434. March 19, 2013 9:22 pm

    So now that Miglo (Michael Taylor of ACT Canberra) feels that it’s perfectly ok to reveal my personal details online, I’m sure that he’ll have no qualms about me revealing his residential street address to anyone that might be interested…

  435. March 20, 2013 6:01 pm

    “` looking for sympathy over on an “anti-Miglo” blog called “The Daily Trash”.“`
    http://thisismysandpit.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/looking-for-love-in-all-the-wrong-places/
    .
    fan-boys, gossip-girls, quackery

  436. March 20, 2013 6:10 pm

    7.30
    I have had years of it mate…

  437. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2013 7:11 pm

    Thanks for reminding me.

    I don’t think I’ve posted today that Miglo has proved himself unfit to run a blog.

    His record in about the past 2 weeks-
    • Complete disregard for his own rules on commentary by those politically aligned with him
    • Personally participate in the insulting language in contravention of his own rules
    • Allows homophobic insults on his blog, without even chiding
    • Bans polite contributors without a semblance of rationale or reason
    • Names anonymous bloggers

    With ethics like that, it’s no wonder he so admires Julia Gillard.

  438. el gordo permalink
    March 20, 2013 7:15 pm

    I still haven’t received a public apology.

  439. March 20, 2013 7:30 pm

    ” I still haven’t received a public apology.”
    l`m sorry you`re a mindless teabag.
    (apology received)

  440. el gordo permalink
    March 20, 2013 7:35 pm

    If you care to look over there at the latest from John Lord … Geckoes joins Dick to enjoy the death of a blog.

  441. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2013 7:48 pm

    730 –

    teabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabagteabag

    Fascinating as always.

  442. el gordo permalink
    March 20, 2013 8:22 pm

    Correction: Geckoes joins Dirk in an amusing discussion. I’ll being keeping an eye on these two.

  443. el gordo permalink
    March 20, 2013 8:26 pm

    *sigh* … I’ll be keeping a watchful eye on them and wondered how we might throw them a line?

  444. March 20, 2013 8:36 pm

    “With ethics like that, it’s no wonder he so admires Julia Gillard.’

    Indeed… 🙂

  445. March 20, 2013 8:37 pm

    “I still haven’t received a public apology.”

    No poem on the horizon for me either…

    Maybe he’s having trouble recruiting elves….?

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2013 8:58 pm

    If you care to look over there at the latest from John Lord … Geckoes joins Dick to enjoy the death of a blog.

    Far from it, egg, I enjoyed reading JL and the comments thereafter … adult and educated …

    (I note your following comments)

  447. March 20, 2013 9:06 pm

    I must say it’s nice of Miglo to keep dropping by on almost a half-hourly basis to monitor the conversation here despite previously declaring on his own blog that he seldom visits…

    I guess when you’re retired and useless you’ve really got fuck all else to do to occupy your time….

    Aside from pretend that you’re one of Julia Gillard’s “inner circle” of advisers I suppose…

    I wonder how he’s gonna feel come Sept 14…?

    Another suicide attempt maybe….?

  448. el gordo permalink
    March 20, 2013 9:07 pm

    The cafe has become a wholesome chatroom, the usual tribe without trolls.

  449. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2013 9:23 pm

    I guess when you’re retired and useless you’ve really got fuck all else to do to occupy your time….

    Oi!!!! I’ll still be posting here when you’re retired, honky tonks! 🙄

    Another suicide attempt maybe….? Poor taste, mate …

  450. March 20, 2013 9:23 pm

    Of course, the saddest thing in all of this, is that Miglo once used to be a really funny and friendly guy…

    I don’t know whether it’s to do with Gillard’s misfortunes, of which he is a keen loyalist (not that there’s anything wrong with that), or a gradual realisation that Gillard’s support base was rapidly deteriorating had an influence on his behaviour, or his relationship issues or whatever….

    But it’s clear he’s no longer the very entertaining and fun-filled guy he once was.

    I can only hope that he finds the help he needs…

  451. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2013 9:25 pm

    I can only hope that he finds the help he needs… Nicely said, mate …

  452. March 20, 2013 9:34 pm

    TB, despite what some people might think about me I’m actually a very humble individual with my own “troubles”. I have little sense of ego, and I’m acutely aware of human frailty..

    I’m very fortunate that in my new job I’m able to help people in this regard…

  453. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2013 9:34 pm

    What is it about irrational psycho nutcases?

    When I was a union official, it was necessary to mix with a lot of psycho nutcases, I left that occupation. In business I notice that many are run by psycho nutcases, though they usually wear cuff links.

    Now that I spend time on blogs, I run into some psycho nutcases!

    Are they that common???

  454. March 20, 2013 9:40 pm

    No Tom.

    Hint: Public servants wear cardigans not cufflinks. (Do they even know what cufflinks are?)

    Anyone who wears “comfortable” footwear in an office environment like Hush Puppies or cheap “price compromised” footwear like the Kingsford Smith label with extra “cushioning” around the ankle area must be put to death instantly.

  455. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2013 9:48 pm

    There was an occasion where I had a role that required lots of liaison with some public servants.

    They tended to wear short sleeved polyester shirts with polyester ties, polyester trousers and suede shoes. I don’t think there was ever any progress in any of the meetings I attended, but left over sandwiches (alfalfa and tuna) would quickly be carted off to the lunch room.

  456. March 20, 2013 9:55 pm

    “alfalfa and tuna”

    Nice…. 😯

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2013 10:10 pm

    I’m humble too. Even though I have no need to be.

  458. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 20, 2013 10:26 pm

    “Hint: Public servants wear cardigans not cufflinks. (Do they even know what cufflinks are”

    Well fuck you

    How dare you compare me with a public servant
    .

    In the words of ToSY who most of us miss dearly

    YOU HAVE PUSHED TOO FAR REB THIS TIME

    I’m leaving for good

    A good couple of minutes that is

  459. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 20, 2013 10:33 pm

    Anyway I’m moving to the West of Sydney soon.

    Julia spent a week there and obviously the message she picked up was the cries and pleadings for Media Reform. Obviously overwhelming ground support for it.
    .
    They are clearly living the Dream

    I’m selling and moving to Ville Noir.

    I plan to run for mayor and change the name of Blacktown to Ville Noir.

  460. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 20, 2013 10:35 pm

    That’s French for you inner city types.

  461. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    March 20, 2013 11:51 pm

    Reb,

    What ever happen to Joni? I agreed with that dude on just about nothing but he was always a good sport? He was always contemplating banning me…LOL

  462. Power down permalink
    March 21, 2013 5:14 am

    Bent British newspaper hacks are indeed a curse. Nobody anywhere in the world thinks Britain’s tabloid press does a good job. But the slimiest, most gin-sodden Fleet Street hack who ever lived isn’t as dangerous to Britain as the bland, responsible, respectable people who decided to set up a government-backed press board.

  463. March 21, 2013 7:35 am

    Joni moved to Europe Sparta… He’s seldom been seen on the blogosphere since..

  464. el gordo permalink
    March 21, 2013 8:05 am

    ‘Europe’s present distress is our future. Everyone knows that part of Europe’s problem is excessive welfare. As Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel has remarked, Europe has 7 per cent of the world’s population, 25 per cent of global gross domestic product and 50 per cent of the world’s welfare payments.’

    Greg Sheridan in the Oz

  465. el gordo permalink
    March 21, 2013 8:15 am

    Sparta, while you’re there, found this the other day and thought you might be interested.

    There was a gangster shooting in Greenacre, the place where I grew up. Vaguely remember the author of this story, lived on the next block and was in the same class at school.

    ‘Wilbur Street, Greenacre? I remember it well. I remember riding my bike around Wilbur Street, and when I ran away from home at 10 I hid in the corner telephone box. I used to catch the bus to Lakemba when I missed the one from Roberts Road. Never a soul to be seen.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/a-suburb-that-i-used-to-know-20130318-2g9w1.html#ixzz2O7HSDZHe

  466. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 21, 2013 10:51 am

    Ville Noir is nice. I popped out that way recently, a real mecca of architecture and café culture.

    It’s a little like Ville de François (Frankston).

  467. March 21, 2013 10:58 am

    Ville Noir… 🙂

    Ville de François 🙂

    Is that near Le Meadows du Broad….?

  468. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:11 am

    Oui !

    The Ville-ification of Blacktown and Frankston is but the beginning.

  469. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:14 am

    The Ville-ification of Blacktown and Frankston is but the beginning …of the end …

  470. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:19 am

    Le Colline de Boite (Box Hill) is a little more upmarket

  471. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:45 am

    AIMN has become a forum for odd people with little blogs to post links to their blogs.

    Essentially there is no challenge, and if there is FU/CU buries it with about 20 successive posts.

    Great job by Miglo, he’s transformed a blog with the potential to be an intelligent, diverse and engaging site into one that is dull, which targets the dull.

    That’s what public servants do with things.

  472. March 21, 2013 11:50 am

    ToM
    its very much a case of the dissonance between a good idea and the reality of delivery , Which has also so often been the case with the Labor party that the blog so vociferously adores

  473. el gordo permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:58 am

    They are all rusted on.

  474. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 21, 2013 12:03 pm

    The approach Miglo takes to moderation and silencing of dissenters/critics reflects the mindless desire of some in the ALP to control debate.

    This is reflected in their current media legislation, which is probably just a more intelligent version of Miglo’s heavy handed banning policy.

  475. March 21, 2013 12:04 pm

    No El Gordo they are actually WELDED on and further secured by their chains of fear about the inevitable Abbott Government that will be the consequence of the Labor defeat.

    It will be interesting to see what they say if, as pundits have suggested, today will be a Gillardageddon, if it is watch them all do somersaults, . with pike, so they can switch to endorsing Rudd.

  476. March 21, 2013 12:13 pm

    Yeah Tom if he had been more even handed and reigned in those on his side who behaved badly by any standard he would have had a better debate and more respect instead of scorn and derision. Further in correspondence after I was banned he claimed to have 1600 hundred unread emails in his in-box as an excuse for ignoring my correspondence, you just can’t run a fair blog if you can’t (or won’t) attend to issues about the blog in a timely manner when people complain, in fact I would say that for a project like that you should have a dedicated email account that is checked daily and that any complaint or correspondence should never wait more than 24 hours for at the very least acknowledgement of the message being received.
    Is it any wonder that so many public servants are lousy at business?

  477. Alan permalink
    March 21, 2013 12:28 pm

    Why don’t you worry about the cesspit, and stop telling others how to do their job?

  478. el gordo permalink
    March 21, 2013 3:25 pm

    Over at AIMN the editor has snipped Geckoes and presumably Dirk on Lord’s thread. Miglo has no sense of humour and I suspect he’s also a lying rodent.

  479. March 21, 2013 7:59 pm

    Oh Alan you are being a total bore, no surprise there! 🙄

  480. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2013 8:12 pm

    Oh Iain you are being a total bore, no surprise there! 🙄

    Life is like a box of chocolates … some soft some hard …

  481. Alan permalink
    March 21, 2013 9:04 pm

    QUOTING cesspit blog owner, that want to turn this one into a cesspit too:

    “Sorry Reb but my fan club have followed me here I won’t respond to their crap here”

    …………….

    Of course you won’t, will you?

  482. March 21, 2013 9:05 pm

    TB I don’t picture you looking like Tom Hanks… 😉

  483. March 21, 2013 9:55 pm

    Did everybody have fun.? Today was full of action. We had a fun filled day which started off with plenty of Lefty-panic which gave the Teabags hope and thrills early on. The embedded media drank deeply from the red-cordial bottle and interviewed themselves continuously in a marathon leadership speculation spectacular. When all was said and little was done, we ended our journey in the same place known as our departure point, with a little less Lefty-panic and less Teabag thrills. The journey was completed, and the embedded media managed to guarantee they didn`t learn anything despite interviewing themselves continuously. It was such fun. Can we do it all again tomorrow.?

  484. Anal-ize dis permalink
    March 21, 2013 10:08 pm

    I think the baggerz had more fun than the leftoidz today. As the sun goes down on an extraordinary Kanberra day, the Labor party is a(n even more) demoralised rabble that can’t stop looking up its own fundamental orifice, whereas the odds of a baggerz win are unbackably short. Happy daze.

  485. Anal-ize dis permalink
    March 21, 2013 10:31 pm

    Odds …

    http://www.sportingbet.com.au/#Sports/2062830

  486. March 21, 2013 11:04 pm

  487. Evil Walrus permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:13 pm

    So Albo stays but Crean goes ?

  488. March 21, 2013 11:59 pm

  489. el gordo permalink
    March 22, 2013 7:36 am

    Geckoes and Dirk have almost certainly been banned from that den of iniquity.

    So much talent going to waste.

  490. Alan permalink
    March 22, 2013 3:09 pm

    QUOTING Anal-ize dis ……

    Odds …

    http://www.sportingbet.com.au/#Sports/2062830

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And what a bunch of crooks Sportingbet are.
    Quick glimpse of markets for ALP seats won, gives an over round of 20%.
    Seats won Coalition has an over round of about 18%
    Other markets are probably similar.

  491. el gordo permalink
    March 22, 2013 3:58 pm

    The punters think only one independent will still standing after the election.

    Astute.

  492. Alan permalink
    March 22, 2013 4:07 pm

    If you’re looking at Sprtingbet prices, then prices for that cohort are even more ridiculous than the others I mentioned.

    Not much opportunity to make some dollars, when they are so piss weak at framing markets.

    Anyway, who will be the one left standing?

  493. el gordo permalink
    March 22, 2013 4:17 pm

    ‘Anyway, who will be the one left standing?’

    Probably Wilkie.

  494. March 22, 2013 4:31 pm

    I think that Katter is more likely to survive than the others who will all be tainted for doing a deal with the devil (Gillard)

  495. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2013 5:24 pm

    In fact today has been far more informative, interesting and fun than yesterday … like beachcombing after a tsunami …

  496. March 22, 2013 8:21 pm

    Yesterday`s fun with Joolya continues, you won`t find this at sandtrap-2, have fun teabags.
    http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2013/03/22/another-day-in-labor/

  497. Free Art Classes permalink
    June 28, 2013 9:22 pm

    Art and design is a different level of art class. Students are taught how aspects of using computer Similarly, contour, volume and pencils, markers and paint. Also this course will focus on the basis for the design similar to the composition.

  498. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 28, 2013 9:59 pm

    Do you have knitting classes?

  499. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:58 pm

    MARCH???? 😯

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