Rooty Reconnaissance Delivers Poll Bounce for Gillard!

It’s a News Ltd conspiracy to keep Gillard in the job and therefore allow Abbott an easy run into the Lodge.

The only other explanation is that it is factual, and that can’t be true.

The poll bounce had nothing to do with the latest coalition ‘kick em in the guts’ hate-thought bubble on asylum seekers?

It’s good that one National MP has a sense of decency [mal washer too]. This teabagger influence over australian politics has to be condemned and thrown out of the country. The money poured into the bernardi led front groups who then run people around the country inciting hatred. The public incited to vicious sexism and misogyny, absolute hatred and contempt, we’ve never witnessed anything like this before. I blame the imported teabagger influence and the deliberately targeted abbott/newsltd [weekly strategy meetings remember?] campaign to ‘go her’ on personality and encourage the ongoing personal abuse. It has been an orchestrated campaign of personal vilification, a hallmark of liberal party politics.

Gillard’s public demeanor has been dignified and above reproach, the newsltd media have portrayed her in the worst possible light, magnifying all accidents and hysterically displaying the offensive sexism and chauvinism that has incited a modern day pillorying and public humiliation. All that while minimising all gaffes and the ugliness of abbott, trying to portray him as a statesman rather than the thug, bully and arrogant and privileged, sexist, that he is. Let’s not forget the huge media resources devoted to improving abbot’s public image with women, the ridiculous st.margie/daughters and credlin/ivf – don’t say newsltd isn’t running interference for abbott.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nationals-mp-darren-chester-says-critics-who-launch-personal-attacks-on-pm-should-lay-off/story-fn59niix-1226595389263

…Mr Chester said members of parliament must show the way, by focusing on policies not personalities.

She’s now rated as preferred PM by 42 per cent over voters to Tony Abbott’s 38 per cent.

Gillard’s public demeanor has been dignified and above reproach”

So? She has a façade, Gillard has proven to be dishonest and the electorate is smart enough to distain this. Abbott too.

the ridiculous st.margie/daughters and credlin/ivf”

Abbott seems to cop flack for some comments he made about his daughters. The comments seemed to me to be reasonable, coming from a father.

I have a daughter, I also come from a time when youths preyed on young women. I don’t want my daughter (or anyone else’s) competing for male popularity on the basis of sexual favours.

Yes SB, there is enough pressure on young people without them believing they should be lured into early sexual adventure. I recall the interview with Abbott where he made the comment.

He could have obfuscated, but he answered the question in a way that most fathers would. I didn’t find the answer to be evidence of misogyny or “icky” (as one blogger continually calls it) or anything other than a father having a sense of protection over teenage daughters, which is hardly inappropriate.
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And given the events of the weekend on Victoria’s coast, with a couple of drownings, I also hope that we’ve heard the last of the disparagement of those that wear surf lifesaving kits.

One of them involved people in my club.

I have no idea what you’re on about TB. I used AO’s comment to lead me to appoint about Abbott and the way some people have reflected on his comments about his daughters.

I also said I use my own youthful experience to try to guide my children, particularly my daughter, from being preyed on for sexual favours.

I’d find it odd if you have a problem with any of that.

I shall disagree with you SB about Gillard being the last ALP PM.

I believe that thankfully the Gods of Newspoll have smiled and the ALP have now taken the bait and Gillard will now lead them to an unprecedented disaster.

Don’t forget that if they don’t fuck her off in 2 weeks there won’t a challenge as it will be too late and the May Horror Budget will be delivered.

They will change structure and name before they ever are successful federally again .

‘Don’t forget that if they don’t fuck her off in 2 weeks there won’t be a challenge’

That makes sense, but I’m holding out for a backbench revolt for the sake of the party.

Has to be a clean skin to have any credibility and if he has revolutionary zeal they may even win.

Abbott seems to cop flack for some comments he made about his daughters. The comments seemed to me to be reasonable, coming from a father.

My remark about abbot’s daughters had nothing to do with a father’s concern for their welfare [they are adults these girls…right?] I meant them hanging off him at every staged event, one has even taken to appearing beside and behind him as if she was a staffer or something, is she looking for a career opportunity? or does she just like to see herself on telly, feeling important because her old man has power and influence?
Of course the whole staged abbott and girls/wife at every possible event is deliberately designed to show him as a ‘family man’ [even though he’s absent from the family and home most of the time] and try to highlight gillard as ‘living in sin’ and childless, the ’empty fruit bowl’. Male politicians almost never have their family contributions [or lack of] and personal relationships or career sacrifices and decisions seen as an impediment to their career or political advancement.
We vote for and elect the person not their family, I find it offensive to have the family paraded before us as if we are so stupid we can’t work out why they are there and also because taxpayers fund this entire self indulgent exercise.

I don’t know why you want to inject a moral value into everything concerning abbott. It’s as if that is all you have for your defence of the stupid, faith based and sexist public statements he makes. I know it’s hard trying to defend the indefensible, the man is a ruthless thug who is arrogantly supreme in the knowledge that he will never have to answer for anything he says or does because his mates in the media seek to protect him from himself. Abbott knows he will never be criticised, never have to answer any tricky questions and his failings will never be made public by his ‘silent partner’, a campaigning press. Labor will never get a fair, balanced or impartial view from newsltd, they have to fight their opponent with one hand tied behind their back.

Thanks for that KL. I was getting depressed about the prospect of Abbott as PM but your unhinged ranting spite makes him look positively classy!

I’ve re-read my comment a number of times and don’t think it resembles a rant in any way, shape or form – unless any female voicing their opinion is perceived by you as a ‘rant’!

I have no idea what you’re on about TB. I used AO’s comment to lead me to appoint about Abbott and the way some people have reflected on his comments about his daughters.

You seek to distract from the real debate, that of the prolonged, abusive and viciously personal pillorying of a female PM, led by abbott. Something that this nation has never before witnessed and wouldn’t again if it were a male PM. Your point went off to an irrelevant tangent.

‘I find it offensive to have the family paraded before us’

It is a bit (amerikan style politics) but apart from that …. Abbott is just saying I have four members of my family who think the world of me and want me to become PM.

Kitty, just to clarify, do you think it would be better if Abbott stands aside and replaced by one of the Bishops?

The more and more that I think of it has me convinced that Gillard will be the ALPs last PM.

Firstly there is likely to be an election wipeout in September which will sweep away much of the ALPs younger talent (if there is any)

Secondly the ALP increasingly draws upon its Trade Union officials to be its future MPs. I don’t see any talent there at the moment. Although someone is bound to offer the side splitting name of Paul Howes.

Thirdly of the current talent in Parliament there’s no one of great talent there either. Bill Shorten keeps cropping up but the public have seen him and I’m not sure they have “warmed” to him anyway. Greg Combet is from the Left and after the experience with Gillard also of the Left I don’t see him as viable. The “Rest” will be swept away.
Basically there is no Whitlam, Hawke or Keating amongst anyone in the ALP at the moment who will lead them out of Opposition.

They will carry the “Gillard Odium” for many many years

They have to reform and become much broader than just a “Labor” movement. Much like the US Democrats and certain EU Social Democratic Parties

Mind you the LNP is not crash hot either but its got a wider membership base to draw upon. And the advantage of future incumbency.

‘Can’t see you voting for gillard or labor. You’ve been in denier/teabagger land for years!’

All my life I voted nothing but Labor, so what went wrong? That dismal tax has taken me away from my roots.

And I voted for joolya at the last election… that was my big mistake.

‘The more and more that I think of it has me convinced that Gillard will be the ALPs last PM.’

Just say Labor is throughly routed, but they fail to get both houses. Abbott then plans a Double D, sacks Flannery (Climate Commissioner) and replaces him with Bob Carter who tells the people the truth about climate change.

The Greens would be dead meat and with Labor only a rump, they maybe forced into a coalition.

I won’t comment on your feminist rant and this sentence indicates you have a stuck picture… Marx is dead in my book.

I don’t care about marx or your book, you can make yourself feel better by pronouncing everyone who opposes your ideological denial as a ‘communist’. You might even convince yourself that capitalism is helping society rather than destroying it.
You’d be better off fighting the inequalities of the oppressive capitalist system. There’s not many boats being floated or anything but piss trickling down upon the wage slaves, but there is a huge tsunami of profiteering from the ground up to the top, wiping out everything in the middle and beneath.

‘….piss trickling down upon the wage slaves, but there is a huge tsunami of profiteering from the ground up to the top’ in Communist China and elsewhere.

History will not forget the GFC, the catalyst was 9/11 and Greenspan’s folly sowed the seeds for the filthy greedy capitalists to thrive. Its a nasty bi-product of the free enterprise system, along with the boom and bust economic cycle.

‘…you can make yourself feel better by pronouncing everyone who opposes your ideological denial as a ‘communist’.

You may not be a card carrying member, but you are definitely a watermelon sprouting old world ideology that is no longer politically relevant.

Amen to that James (4.05PM). You beat me to it. However her lust for power is greater than her lust for married men.

AO – You know she is a good and decent person whatever the politics of the day”

I don’t agree that she is good and decent, I think Gillard is inclined to conceal rather be transparent, to prefer intrigue rather than co-operation, she blusters rather than honestly explains.

My opinion has nothing to do with her gender. I admired Joan Childs, Susan Ryan, Ros Kelly (off the top of my head), – because they were decent.

The type of duplicity Gillard exhibits has nothing to do with her being a female.

‘Ever heard of Gallipoli?’

Winston is to blame for the folly that was Gallipoli.

Read the other day that the man with the donkey was a deserter from the merchant navy (Brit) and essentially his heroism was a beat-up by a journalist from the yellow press.

Churchill may have saved Britain from the Nazi, but he was at the same time a self serving prick.

oops, here’s the rest of the 2nd para.

I can’t believe the double standard and the slut-shaming displayed in your post.

‘not at the rate you heartily guzzle from the teapot grodo’

Are you calling me a liar?

Not that I’m worried, my poor political judgement in voting for the redhead was unfortunate but not soul destroying.

Now I’m free to make a value judgement based on the content of my wallet and not theoretical ideas from a bygone era.

AO – Don’t believe everything I say – Tony Abbott

Arguably Abbott is owning up. That’s certainly more than Gillard seems capable of, she just drones on and on and on and on and on…

Gillard is has proven to be dishonest, but she just obfuscates, she can be caught committing the most dishonest act and blandly excuses herself.

Has there been a more dishonest act by a Prim Minister that Gillard’s actions in dealing with Wilkie?

Gillard-
• Made a clear, unequivocal commitment to win Wilkie’s support, and therefore formed government and moved into the Lodge.
• It was only this unequivocal, written commitment that allowed her to form government
• Gillard did not even deliver her own party to the commitment, she simply walked away from it. She did not test her commitment in parliament
• She then made the notorious deal with proven rorter Slipper to avoid the consequences of her breaking her word

I struggle to think of any behaviour by any PM that equals this in fundamental dishonesty. It is so inexcusable.

Arguably Abbott is owning up. That’s certainly more than Gillard seems capable of, she just drones on and on and on and on and on…

No, no points for “at least he’s being honest” If he was honest, he wouldn’t lie in the first place. He habitually lies to get himself out of a pickle. Remember the meeting with Pell that he didn’t have and the filthy look he gave kerry o’brien when it was pointed out that he did indeed meet pell. The lies roll off his tongue whenever he feels the need, now nobody can know when he’s lying and when he’s telling the truth, he’ll do whatever it takes. Hardly a beacon of honesty and truthiness.

Her poor taste in men reflects badly upon her judgement.

I say that about mrs abbott, at least she can take some comfort in that he’s hardly ever home so doesn’t upset her own life too much!

Fine AO, Abbott is dishonest, but admits it.

Gillard denies it, despite all the evidence.

Far be it from me to reflect on her choice in men, but there are plenty of examples of poor judgement in her personal and (pre parliamentary) professional life.

I’m not singling her out because of her gender, I simply cannot accept that a PM can act so dishonourably to another MP, in order to remain PM, and be excused for it.

I think she is shifty.

Yep, that’s how the electorate see her too.

‘democracy is just a bribe-paying competition, China need not follow our folly’

The hip pocket nerve is an important aspect of democracy, but we are also conscious that we need an armed force, hospitals and other stuff. The taxpayers are entrusting their hard earned dollars to government and hope they manage it well.

If they don’t and we aren’t happy … they are given time out.

As for China and state capitalism, the jury is still out on that too.

‘if people actually believe that’

The greater middle class is not stupid, when government squanders their taxpaying dollars they will become very angry and rout them.

Found this at the cafe …

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/365988/carbon-tax-sent-small-business-to-the-wall/

That’s ok.

‘the skay hasn’t fallen in …’

For very small business the sky fell in for around six months, but as I mentioned previously it picked up again as soon as joolya announced the election date.

Coincidence? I think not.

‘problem is it`s become the `only` aspect to so-called democracy’

No, the public service is the other important aspect and the expensive infrastructure that goes with it.

‘like slashing health and education.?’

Difficult choices have to be made, whilst cutting up the cake. Abbott will probably increase monies going to the armed forces and cut back on middle class welfare.

The expensive infrastructure might be state of the art fighter jets which are already out of date, or a monstrous green machine which achieves nothing.

Governments are judged on their competency.

Oh

How many of Beazleys submarines are in the water ?

And how’s that English support ship going etc etc et c

And after 6 years how many times has that lying grub of a PM had the chance to cancel the program ?

And how is the defence budget?