BREAKING NEWS: GILLARD RUDD LEADERSHIP SPILL CURRENTLY UNDERWAY!
Parliament house has gone into meltdown this afternoon with now CONFIRMED REPORTS that a leadership spill is currently underway despite the Prime Minister Julia Gillard calling rumours that a ministerial delegation arrived at her office earlier today to discuss her leadership as “a load of rubbish.”
Kevin Rudd’s office has also denied the rumours, which can only mean one thing – it’s definitely on right now as we speak!
The dramatic move coincides with a new poll that proves that Labor will lose next year’s election in South Australia in a catastrophic landslide!
The shocking developments follow Labor’s absolute hammering in the recent WA election with many Labor MPs now wondering whether Federal Labor has any hope of surviving as a political force beyond 2013.
Earlier this week, Labor stalwarts had called for their colleagues to “stop talking about themselves” and instead focus on policy areas, however the leadership issue in the context of Labor’s absolute flogging at a State level simply refuses to go away.
Next we cross to David Speers at Sky News for his analysis on these dramatic developments as they unfold….
Stay tuned for further updates…!
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OMG!
Its on again and this time they are serious.
If we see white smoke coming out of parliament house, we’ll know they have chosen a rank outsider.
If it’s a rumour or “baselss media speculation”, it must be true.
I’ll take odds against @10:1 … 😆
This is a bit of a dud fred now but here’s a story about one of our regular “posters” (sort of) …
He-e-e-e-e-e-e-re’s Wally!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/wheres-wally-gif-ruins-it-for-everyone/story-e6frfro0-1226595472066
For the uninitiated Wally (short for Walrus) has posted/posts under a variety of nom de plumes – OK, sock puppets 0 including 2DT Shock Jock, I Am The Walrus, Evil Walrus …
There are others but they escape me at the mo …
Anyway I reckon he a collective, Wally CPA …
Rupert Wins Again!!! 😯
Rudd’s office suspiciously silent on “imminent” challenge speculation…
http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=854571&vId=
Gillard is toast, and I’m about to go out for a 2006 bin 389!!
Someone please let TB know that it isn’t available in a cask.
Rudd is a red herring.
The rumour is that Swan will be replaced as Treasurer.
I imagine the shovelheaded adherents must be caught up in a maelstrom of denial & media blaming.
Poor petals…
When is Australia going to fucking grow up and realise that 5 days a week Monday to Friday jobs only no longer are the only ones.
When will we accept that penalty rates should only be paid when people are working on day 6 and 7. That means after 38 hours. Some people prefer working weekends just to save on child care on Mondays to Fridays for 2 days.
Why why why?
I ask because a local restauranteur has decided he won’t do it anymore and 8 people will now be out of a job. He can’t be bothered by the penalties , power bills and poor attitudes of young staff.
So he’s tossing it all in
Looks like management failure to me. Failing to retain, well skilled and paid staff to run biz so owners can enjoy partial retirement. MANAGEMENT_FAILURE
Walrus is correct and 9.25 is ignorant of small business operation.
Back on topic…
‘The likely defeat of Julia Gillard’s controversial media law reforms next week is threatening to touch off a new round of leadership manoeuvring as Labor MPs again question the Prime Minister’s judgment.
‘There are now fears within the government that the bill’s embarrassing demise at the hands of disgruntled crossbench MPs could itself become a trigger for a leadership showdown next week, the final sitting week before the May budget.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/media-bill-threatens-leadership-20130314-2g3kj.html#ixzz2NXyPZnrT
“When will we accept that penalty rates should only be paid when people are working on day 6 and 7”
Interestingly I was told that penalty rates were introduced to stop people working. There was a moralistic reason for introducing them. The idea was that a husband should spend the weekend at home with his family and spend time with his kids. Otherwise he may start working 6 or 7 days a week. The weekend rates were put so high as to make it uneconomic to employ people on the weekends.
Shift workers who do antisocial hours deserve to be compensated with penalty rates.
Only someone who has never worked shifts for a protracted period would suggest otherwise.
Weekend work should also be sacred.
Shift workers need to be compensated for working 12 hour shifts night and day, but I’m not sure ‘dishies’ should get a special deal for working at night or on weekends.
The most popular restaurant in my town closed up at night because they couldn’t afford to pay staff.
The government is well and truly on the “chase the redneck vote” bandwagon. It meets all the criteria.
o More people shipped off to foreign hell holes than its predecessor
o Successfully demonises people who arrive here and seek our protection
o Locks up women and children
o Is now using this line – “they come over here, and take all our jobs…”
This government is a complete disgrace. It deserves to be thrown out.
Elimination of shift penalties shouldn’t simply be a method of cost saving, or wage reduction.
If an employer can show that over the course of a cycle, it is on average, paying a rate (in total to its workforce) which compensates for weekend and shift work, that should be acceptable.
But to eliminate shift penalties and just have everyone work for the base award rate regardless of when it is worked, is quite wrong.
Though it is probably also beneficial to come up with a system that exempts full time students from the full shift/weekend penalty regime.
Tom,
Although I am of the opinion that Labor has done a complete stuff job since taking office lets be a bit more genuine when describing the plight of “economic refugees” from the real deal please. They do raise some legitimate questions…In regards to the 457 visa topic, I have no doubt it is being abused. Are H1B visa system is a complete sham that has been taking jobs away from American’s for the past 10-15 years. We can thank Globalization for that one as well…Ask any programmer older than 40! Wages have been stagnant and dropping in a field where people like Gates insists there is a shortage…it is a sham! Even now our lawmakers are pushing for more visas when we are in a recession…Australia is simply replicating our system.
‘Though it is probably also beneficial to come up with a system that exempts full time students from the full shift/weekend penalty regime.’
That could work.
Coincidently the impact of rising power bills (due to poles and wires) also had a debilitating effect on the restaurant’s night operation.
Sparta, the government is celebrating 72,000growth of jobs and tradesmen made redundant in (say) the Latrobe (or Hunter) Valley aren’t keen on moving the 5000kms to work in a mine.
Many will scratch around near their home, getting shutdown and casual work. The 457 visas are vital to keep the economy churning along.
That could work.
No it wouldn’t … its discrimination …
… quite simply anyone working over 38 hours in a seven day (not five days) time frame as agreed (Monday to Sunday) should be compensated … Public Holidays additional penalties for “missing out” …
Neil, potted post earlier is partly right in that penalty rates were to compensate for workers not being around on weekends and special occasions … funnily enough well run businesses function fine … poorly managed businesses generally falter … as pointed out aboive …
I’ll reiterate here, something I have said a number of times … most small businesses are run by experts in their skill field, ie chefs, electricians, accountants, lawyers, motor mechanics … very few are trained, knowledgable nor experienced in management and/or business processes …
That’s why it is estimated that over 70% of new start ups fail … it takes an average of seven years to become an “established” small business …
If a full time student is willing to work in a shop or café on Sunday and earn $18 an hours rather than the penalty rate of $36 an hour, I don’t see that as a problem.
Heavy industry doesn’t employ students to work the Sunday shift. There is no reason to pay a full time student, working part time, the full Sunday penalty.
‘No it wouldn’t … its discrimination …’
This is not the thin edge of the wedge, if students are prepared to do the work for $18 an hour then they should be given the opportunity.
My youngest does 12 hour day and night shifts, kitty and toilet are probably in the same boat, in their case penalty rates are justified and should not be touched.
‘That’s why it is estimated that over 70% of new start ups fail …’
That’s true, but those that survive are usually viable until external factors intercede.
… quite simply anyone working over 38 hours in a seven day (not five days) time frame as agreed (Monday to Sunday) should be compensated
Bit of advice … speed reading isn’t working for you … 🙄
That’s true, but those that survive are usually viable until external factors intercede.
And almost 100% of people in our community die from eating pickles!
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It’s interesting that the ALP supporters club is getting into a frenzy (only amongst themselves of course) about Workchoices!!!
The interesting thing is that it is now almost 8 years since the Workchoices legislation was introduced!! Yes, 8 years ago
This legislation probably should not have been a huge surprise-
• It was similar to the policy Howard had advocated when he was shadow IR minister.
• It was almost identical to the original legislation the Libs introduced following their election in 1996, which was significantly modified by the Democrats.
• Once they got control of the senate, they would always revert to their original model.
I’ve said in the past that Workchoices had 3 elements-
1. Removal of past safety net
2. Employees easier to dismiss
3. Restriction on some unethical union activity
I always argued against 1 & 2, there is no advantage in making your children (or anyone else) lose money and working conditions, and hands up all those who wish to be easier to dismiss from their employment.
However there is a legitimate public interest in enforcing the law in industrial relations, and eliminating the bullying and harassment that occurs on many industrial sites.
The Liberals would be wise to target union behaviour, and leave working conditions and job security as they are.
‘The Liberals would be wise to target union behaviour, and leave working conditions and job security as they are.’
Abbott has already mooted that will be his strategy.
A year ago there was a spat over the presidency of the Liberal Party and Abbott supported Stockdale over the other candidate who was backed by the Reith/Downer faction. It was a slap in the face for the Workchoices brigade.
So I expect Abbott to do as ToM suggested.
Abbott isn’t shrewd enough to do just that.
He will cross the line into #1 & #2.
Abbott moots many things, but solidifies on nothing .
The electorate should be justifiably wary of any weaselwords which emanate from Abbott’s chameleon mouth.
Abbott & his Party are beholden to Big Employers.
At least as much as Labor is beholden to Big Unions; of which I am a member.
Destroying unionism is a very poor idea for anyone who doesn’t want to be trampled roughshod under the wheels of the business lobby.
A happy medium would be nice.
‘A happy medium would be nice.’
Abbott only wants to stop corruption, nothing more. Do not be afrayd.
That’s bullshit.
Abbott has his own agenda.
Don’t be so easily bought & sold.
“A happy medium would be nice.”
I agree
If I was young and stupid (rather than old and still stupid) I’d be happy to work for $10.00 per hour plus commission if I was in retail for the first 38 hours. I’d back myself to earn more than the person on $18.00.
But no one gets the option because the Unions imply I’m not capable.
I’m not saying its for everyone of for every industry. But it should be an option.
As for shift work if you know its part of the job then why should you get paid anymore unless its in excess of your usual 38 hours. If you got the job knowing that then so be it.
And yes I’ve done all nighters to meet deadline. Well over 100 when I was younger. Usually because of incompetent internal accounts staff who could not get their act together in the face of looming ASX Listing deadline. I was lucky to get some of it as time off in lieu. And no we were not all that well paid below manager level in the big CA firms of the 1980s.
Even today I work some very odd hours. But Yes at a comfortable hourly rate. But effectively it my own business now.
All I’m saying is that certain industries need greater flexibilty.
How the hell is Qantas International expected to compete with Southern China Airways when that airline is paying its staff crap ?
How can Myer or DJs compete against online USA when it must pay $18.00 plus ?
“As for shift work if you know its part of the job then why should you get paid anymore unless its in excess of your usual 38 hours.”
Because every other fucker in the country is at home in their fucking bed, next to their fucking partner, under the same roof as their fucking children while the shift worker toils. It is a considerable lifestyle sacrifice which deserves to be compensated.
Also, no weekends & no public holidays; for certain shiftworkers…like me.
“And yes I’ve done all nighters to meet deadline. Well over 100 when I was younger.”
Not even vaguely comparable to doing shiftwork, week after week, month after month, year after year.
Only people that do it, or have done it in the past get it . Hardly surprising.
Staying up late a few times isn’t the same fucking thing! .
“All I’m saying is that certain industries need greater flexibilty.”
That’s not how I read what you’re saying.
You’re coming at it from the perspective of a lifelong non-shiftworker.
I’m happy to concede that “certain industries need greater flexibilty.”
There is a gigantic distinction between working a few hours on a weekend to pay your way through TAFE/Uni…& doing it permanently, for a crust.
😯
😉
‘That’s bullshit.
‘Abbott has his own agenda.’
Abbott sees Work Choices policy as “dead buried and cremated”. Remember when he was on the Howard front bench he stood out against Work Choices.
Wandering around the usual left wing traps I sense they want to make this a fight at the election. I predict it won’t be an issue.
When will we accept that penalty rates should only be paid when people are working on day 6 and 7. That means after 38 hours. Some people prefer working weekends just to save on child care on Mondays to Fridays for 2 days.
When I can go into a bank or a business on week-ends and not have to pay a tradie extra rates for a week-end callout [if they make themselves available or even return the call].
I ask because a local restauranteur has decided he won’t do it anymore and 8 people will now be out of a job.
He pays a minimum wage now, treats the casual ‘wait by the phone to be called in with 2/24 notice’ staff like shit, only wants them in the busy periods for a couple of hours twice a day or something, yet resents any penalties ‘cos he sees it should be all profit for him.
He can’t be bothered by the penalties , power bills and poor attitudes of young staff.
Maybe the young staff can’t be bothered with him or his attitude.
Poor attitudes come from shit rosters, shit wages and working conditions, one way ‘flexibility’ and poor management who see staff as a liability not an investment. I suppose he expects that they are educated for the job at their own expense and run their arses off while he takes the tip money!.
Shift workers who do antisocial hours deserve to be compensated with penalty rates.
Exactly, their should be compensation for a shorter life expectation due to upset circadian rhythms and loss of family/social time. It’s not always a choice, some of us get little choice with rosters and budget constraints mean little rest/recuperation time between different shifts – all having an impact on health. We’d all work 8:30 – 4:30 M-F if we could.
If a full time student is willing to work in a shop or café on Sunday and earn $18 an hours rather than the penalty rate of $36 an hour, I don’t see that as a problem.
Yeah let’s exploit student labour for the profits of business. They are already paying for their own education, why not make them slaves for a business owner?
How long will it take before the hrly rate for everyone [willing or not] is $18.00.
How much are the chef, manager and owner paid per hour?
How can Myer or DJs compete against online USA when it must pay $18.00 plus ?
The same way it competed with Target and Big W and K Mart … the difference now is that online can match with quality, service and convenience … times change, Myers and DJ’s cant … Gerry is struggling to but not succesfully … Dick Smith and Officeworks have changed their business model in the last twelve months and are now easily competitive with online …
How the hell is Qantas International expected to compete with Southern China Airways when that airline is paying its staff crap ? See above …
Funny that … free market advocates hate competition … 🙄
BTW, the USA online fraternity doesn’t sell many things to Australia (and other countries) … try buying technology (camera, printer, ereader) and you’ll be told they can’t sell … particularly the BSers at Amazon … many UK sites are restricted too …
Even today I work some very odd hours. But Yes at a comfortable hourly rate. But effectively it my own business now. </i. So did I both for employers and myself – "but you'll never make money working for a boss", James Rohn …
And yes I’ve done all nighters to meet deadline. Well over 100 when I was younger.
WOW! A hundred! 🙄 … that’s like telling a Digger whose served a couple of tours in Afghanistan that you once spent a week in Kabul … (especially to people like KL and Ser Tee) … I regularly worked 15 hours a day on minesites … and always 12 hour shifts … and competency based training for the troops is often very hard work for them …
As for shift work if you know its part of the job then why should you get paid anymore unless its in excess of your usual 38 hours
More ignorance in the true sense of the word … see above
If you got the job knowing that then so be it.
Like to see you get takers for that … (my nightshift gave me – and my troops – a 30% loading and afternoon shift got 15% … and for good reason if you’ve ever worked it!
If I was young and stupid (rather than old and still stupid) I’d be happy to work for $10.00 per hour plus commission if I was in retail for the first 38 hours. I’d back myself to earn more than the person on $18.00.
I saved the best till last:
1. You wouldn’t last a day in retail, Wally, for anumber of reasons let alone your obvious superior attitude … lack of empathy … and a penchant to tell rather than ask …
2. I would hazard a guess that you’ve never sold a thing in your life. (that’s what retail does BTW)
3. As for your equation you would probably be offered $5 an hour plus commission … (to make you work ‘arder dontcha know? People on commission are often let down by the “support” system – or lack of it – by profit greedy employers … ever worked for commission or just spouting? if you have I’d love to compare our experiences?
Cause this is how modern Robber Barons work …
http://www.news.com.au/business/coal-baron-nathan-tinklers-taxable-income-9834-in-201011/story-e6frfm1i-1226598478485
I predict it won’t be an issue.
It won’t be an issue because he won’t be honest about any planned ‘reforms’. He’s using a small target strategy to gain office, but make no mistake IR reform is always no. 1 on the liberal party/business donor agenda.
The public bleatings for change from the IPA/HR nicholls type groups, the doctored ‘research’ to show a huge need for reform ‘cos business is suffering, and the public statements from all and sundry vested interests will start immediately upon taking office.
People really don’t want to pay $8 for their Sunday coffee because the uni student has to be paid $36 an hour, particularly when they’re willing to work for $18.
Full time students working part time should be exempt from penalties. No one will employ them at penalty rates in the industries where the working hours are available to suit their studies.
If anyone is serious about stopping students from getting ripped off, they would be pressing for the elimination of the loathsome HECS.
As for shift work if you know its part of the job then why should you get paid anymore unless its in excess of your usual 38 hours
Because, obviously, there are not enough staff employed at the organisation to perform the required work. Lots of people don’t want to work >38hrs, they are forced to because the employer won’t put on the extra staff required.
Don’t worry, they already try to minimise any O/T paid to P/Time workers, they force part timers to work above their ordinary hours at their normal rates [no O/Time for them], only up to a total of 38hrs mind ‘cos that’s when O/T rates cut in.
‘They are already paying for their own education, why not make them slaves for a business owner?’
If the restaurant manager was making a small profit he would stay in business, but if people stop coming and he can’t pay wages then he has to close.
I mentioned earlier the most popular cafe in town closed at night because of less customers and high power bills. The students working the night shift lost their jobs.
Wage slaves are everywhere, but the petit bourgeoise are not to blame. We all have choices and I have chosen full time quality of life.
If anyone is serious about stopping students from getting ripped off, they would be pressing for the elimination of the loathsome HECS.
More Liberal ignorance … why not drop ALL UNI FEES for people whose PARENTS are means tested … oh wait … that doesn’t work … my multi-millionaire sisters kids (my niece) got AUStudy … means testing doesn’t apply to Family Trusts 😯 … Robber Barons’ Government Assistance Scheme … if they get if for free someone has to pay!
As an aside my niece now has a Doctorate in Research Medicine … there really is no justice in the world … only rip offs on one side and struggle on t’other … and both major political parties in Australia always play to the money … oh, and the church … but that’s the same thing anyway, hey?
“Myers and DJ’s cant … “
The shopping experience at Myer has improved dramatically (at least in Melbourne CBD), staff are very friendly, offering genuine polite and not pushy service, but with subtle selling techniques that almost make it hard not to buy.
They’ve realised that the ambience of the shopping environment and their people is their key differentiator. They’ve also established a good online presence which means you can now buy items online during Sales periods without having to go to a physical store to purchase.
“Gerry is struggling to but not succesfully …”
That’s due to a number of reasons:
1. The shopping experience at HN stores is quite possibly the worst you’re likely to encounter anywhere. The staff are unknowledgeable, uninformed about the stuff they’re selling and just want to close a sale based on price.
2. As far as the furniture goes, it’s shit. (Although it might sell well in Queensland)..
3. His business model is broken and he doesn’t posses the smarts to fix it. Worse still, he doesn’t even have the smarts to recognise that he ought to employ someone more intelligent who would know how to fix it.
4. He thinks that whingeing about it will somehow garner public sympathy, and boost sales.
And lastly but most importantly:
5. He’s a complete and utter cunt.
I mentioned earlier the most popular cafe in town closed at night because of less customers and high power bills.
Egg, areyou familiar with the term “contradictory statement” … did other “cafes” stay open?
And earlier you referred to it as a restaurant (without checking) … there is a difference ..
‘It won’t be an issue because he won’t be honest about any planned ‘reforms’.
That is baseless scaremongering, Abbott will be el supremo after his election win and won’t have anything to do with Work Choices in his first term. Beyond that its impossible to know.
There is no conspiracy and he has no hidden agenda on this issue.
The shopping experience at Myer has improved dramatically …
And here’s me thinking you’d be a DJ’s “client” .. honky tonks … 😉
… actully you sound like a Myers shareholder 😉 … just for you, I bought my Sony PRST eReader and cover (with light) a couple of years ago from Myer ONLINE! The eReader is “magic” … since then I’ve been onto Myer Online occasionally … and immediately gone WTF … and bought elswhere …
2. As far as the furniture goes, it’s shit. (Although it might sell well in Queensland)..
i can assure you that the crap you see in Mexico actually melts in the Far North … (identifier question – are you now speaking as a resident of taswegia, mexico or part of asia?)
“honky tonks …”
🙂
I’m more of Harrods girl dahling… 😉
Its a cafe/restaurant in a country town, some have stayed open and I’m not sure how they are all fairing.
But more importantly, my business partner said the cafe/restaurant manager is organising groups to book the whole place at night, for special occasions. Predetermined bums on seats makes it viable, but conditions remain slow.
One of the things I like about this site, and it’s with thanks to youse all, is that we actually have “a sense of humour” which is something that one or two so-called “left leaning” sites seem to lack…
Just sayin’
If the restaurant manager was making a small profit he would stay in business, but if people stop coming and he can’t pay wages then he has to close.
You contradict yourself again, if it was the most popular in town, why did the people stop coming? Can’t have it both ways to suit your teabaggery.
As someone who has owned and operated a successful restaurant, I can assure you that it’s very difficult to make money from food. Most of the dosh flows from grog…
Was it a licenced place egg?
“teabaggery”
hee-hee … 🙂
That is baseless scaremongering, Abbott will be el supremo …
I used to vote Labor …. 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Sieg Heil! … 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
As I warned about the Egyptian uprising .. “be careful for what you wish!”
Egg, Abbott, will not save your business (or any small business) … only YOU can do that! Governments have little influence on personal expectations – dreams – (contrary to popular belief) … nothing much changes government to government because of the changing fortunes of the world and big business … small business relies on big business not government intervention …
… if it did then its not true capitalism … maybe you prefer a controlled capitalism like China is developing?
Do you see the Robber barons being bothered about the change of government? Nah not really … Gina and Twiggy and Tinkler and Clivey just play the game and get on with fleecing you and and the rest of us … learn the system and use it to you advantage … my kids learnt that before they were teenagers … they don’t earn enough to setup a Family Trust (the RULES forbid it) but they’re doing OK …
best way to move forward is to actually ignore (mmm … work with) the government of the day … but to YOUR standards …
Some other left wing blogs trumpet that they are satirical, which proves how witless they really are.
I’m more of Harrods girl dahling…
Whoooo … me too … but that bloody lo-o-o-o-o-o-ong cheese counter could not find my crumbly Cheshire! Everything BUT … the staff were lovely … most apologetic … bit like the Monty sketch …
‘Egg, Abbott, will not save your business (or any small business) … only YOU can do that!’
As I said previously, we were sailing nicely until that tax came into play. Abbott said he’ll rectify the problem and that’s why we’ll all be voting for the LNP.
As someone who has owned and operated a successful restaurant, I can assure you that it’s very difficult to make money from food. Most of the dosh flows from grog…
mate, I would love to discuss that with you (just for “curiosities” sake … restaurants and process, profits etc have always fascinated me because of the mix of “art/talent” and business – eg profit/self satisfaction) …
However, this ain’t the forum … how far is Mexico from Sunshine again?
Just send me an email with your questions TB… 🙂
As I said previously, we were sailing nicely until that tax came into play. Abbott said he’ll rectify the problem and that’s why we’ll all be voting for the LNP.
As a matter of interest …
☂ What do you do (your business)
☂ How much has your fixed cost increased because of the tax ; and
☂ Why has it increased
You never know the mob here may offer suggestions!
Just send me an email with your questions TB…
Let me think about that a bit … and I just might! (My hesitation is that I a can see a night “discussing” – y’know with a cask, mate!) 🙂
While on the subject 😉 regards to V …
Click! 🙄
armchair opinionator
March 15, 2013 9:06 pm
That is lovely! Makes me proud to be a dad and grandad … what a champion!
We don’t drink “cask” wine in this household TB (what even is that?)
And it’s fkn *clink* FFS…!
😉
That letter is soooo cool AO…!
🙂
TB we are in an accommodation group and they all said their winter power bills tripled and then people stopped coming.
” work in a shop or café on Sunday and earn $18 an hours rather than the penalty rate of $36 an hour, I don’t see that as a problem”
You teabags aren`t really that bright are you.?
With greater numbers of workers in `junk-employment` that has no conditions or certainty, in many cases employment meted out on a daily basis via agents. The only direction is for these rates is to go up by large amounts. lt`s another case of teabag theory backfiring on themselves again.
TEABAG STUPIDITY GOLD
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” All I’m saying is that certain industries need greater flexibilty.
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How the hell is Qantas International expected to compete with Southern China Airways when that airline is paying its staff crap ?
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How can Myer or DJs compete against online USA when it must pay $18.00 plus ?
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lt`s called poetic justice.
The monster retailers were the first to throw the Aussie consumer/worker to the wall in the textile industry. The airlines have done likewise with maintainance/cabin staff. Teabags getting all they could guzzle has resulted in larger numbers of `price-sensitive` consumers. TEABAG_FOOLS
I agree with a lot of what has been said to disagree with me.
But isn’t it great we can all discuss it ?
HERE.
1. You wouldn’t last a day in retail, Wally, for anumber of reasons let alone your obvious superior attitude … lack of empathy … and a penchant to tell rather than ask …
TB
You truly are a f !$$king idiot.
How about 3 Mercs, 1 BMW plus 2 vw in a caryard when I was 19 in 2 weeks. Plus a .datsun180
So just FUCK OFF
You really are boring with your guess about others lives
But “boring and guessing others early lives” is something you seem to be good at.
As ToM mentioned you really do approach this joint with a rather unfortunate turn of phrase more time than. I
By the way TB if you were sooooooo fucking successful in your business why as a self funded retiree do you need to go anywhere near Centrelink ?
I won’t
” go anywhere near Centrelink ? _ I won’t “
bullshit, a tea guzzler of your capacity will definitely engineer for himself a one-dollar pension so he can get all the benefits he has got for his North-Shore/Toorack mates.
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You have no hope in hell of over-coming your envy of the poor, or the envy of any perceived help or benefit the poor may obtain.
Green tea, anyone? Fairfax continues their push for drug law reform.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-drug-habits-of-highly-effective-people-20130315-2g5rk.html
Abbott told ABC radio he’s committed to a constitutional amendment to recognise the first settlers.
“I don’t think anyone who knows me would say I’m not fair dinkum in this area,” says Tony Abbott.
On immigration policy and the 457 visa system.
“We’re defending the system, the Prime Minister is attacking the system which she has been presiding over for the last five and a half years,” says Tony Abbott.
“Frankly the whole thing is a smokescreen to cover up the government’s border protection failures,” he says.
Frankly the whole thing is a smokescreen to cover up the government’s border protection failures,” he says.
Abbottt trying to spin himself into a humanitarian is a smokescreen.
How the hell is Qantas International expected to compete with Southern China Airways when that airline is paying its staff crap ?
The answer is paying australians less so that we too can have 3rd world wages and conditions? We expect out IR system to support decent wages and conditions. We pay more for products and services here knowing that it allows our better standard of living, getting ripped off is another thing entirely.
Will alan joyce accept the pay of a chinese ceo?
How about 3 Mercs, 1 BMW plus 2 vw in a caryard when I was 19 in 2 weeks. Plus a .datsun180
Your parents were very generous 😉
Did you receive a free tertiary education and parental assistance for startup?
No need to brag though. Hope you are happy in your life, obviously $ means a lot to you. I would think that being so well off you could find it in yourself to have some compassion for those less fortunate, those for whom life circumstances, globalisation or neoliberal zombie economics have failed. I don’t measure success and worth of people in dollar terms and economics doesn’t measure the things that count. Remember, you haven’t managed to achieve all that wealth on your own efforts, there has been a lot of assistance from the working poor, their tax contributions have become your wealth creation and tax evasion. They haven’t had the extra money to invest, to hide income or create family trusts etc. to avoid tax responsibility.
You seem to go by the creed of austerity and taxes for others [the mugs, the losers] will protect and create more wealth and privilege for the few.
http://dbp.idebate.org/en/index.php/Argument:_In_capitalism%2C_profit_is_made_through_exploitation
Counting what really counts:
http://crookedtimber.org/2012/03/26/counting-what-really-counts/
oops didn’t know that the link would turn into a huge pic – sorry!
perhaps reb could find the time to fix at some stage.
IN response to my comment that full time students could work in a café on a Sunday for $18, rather than $36, 730 said –
”You teabags aren`t really that bright are you.?
With greater numbers of workers in `junk-employment` that has no conditions or certainty, in many cases employment meted out on a daily basis via agents.”
730 proves he is a genuine f**kwit.
• Are full time students supposed to have certainty in their Sunday work?
• How much certainty should a full time student who works as a waitress on Sundays have?
• Are you serious, or just a complete f**kwit?
you are always so quick to guzzle yomm, if you did your due diligence, and actually READ what l wrote, you would have noticed `student` was not quoted nor mentioned by me. Teabag quality assurance aint what it used to be.
You took the specific example of a casual student that I had used, and labelled if “teabag”.
A f**kwit, but typically and obfuscating one.
Aussie businesses that dumped their valuable, skilled, and trained workforce that had experience in their specific biz, just to steal the holiday pay and conditions off their workers have really arse-fcuked themselves in many cases. They gave away their workforce to `agents` who now hire back to them, their own workforce at 3 to 5 times what the actual worker gets. Teabags moaning about `over-time` rates and such, are just so far behind the times, their horse-drawn carriage will never catch up.
730 is dead right about the Labour Hire Agencies I am familiar with (but don’t, thankfully, work for).
Dunny, l suspect most of the 457-visa moaning by teabags, is suckered in smaller biz don`t like being at the mercy of the `agents`.
Does 730 suggest that a student working 8 hours per week (on a Sunday) is getting “overtime”?
Not suggest, just state _
Teabags moaning about `over-time` rates and such, are just so far behind the times, their horse-drawn carriage will never catch up.
Teabags always follow inferior theories that nickel and dime, assets, services and programs that have considerable value and benefits beyond the cost-benefit-analysis in the building or maintaining of a nation. The yanks never learned this, as they have always had a `private-profit` is always more important than `community-building` which has locked large chunks of their own society into poverty, crime, drugs, guns, and misery. Our Teabags addicted to failed american ideas, will not be thanked by their own children or grandchildren in the future and will record them in history as the fools they are.
How about 3 Mercs, 1 BMW plus 2 vw in a caryard when I was 19 in 2 weeks. Plus a .datsun180
What on earth does any of that mean?
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We don’t drink “cask” wine in this household TB (what even is that?)
And it’s fkn *clink* FFS…!
I know honky tonks! 😆
Phone hacking: Rupert Murdoch hit by 600 fresh claims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/15/phone-hacking-murdoch-news-world
all the more reason to have a `fit and proper` test on mega-media owners and managers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/mar/15/phone-hacking-murdoch-news-world
good find armchair
Well TB, the ‘meanings’ are always ‘up for grabs’. Both in the intended sense and the ones that are given. For the ‘evil walrus’ he hopes, in my opinion, that the meaning you give is that he’s rich and powerful and at the same time he hopes you will give the meaning that you, TB, are not.
But did you expect anything else? Just askin …
NatureABGonskiBA5
toilettopower. Is it just possible that ‘blogs’ can deal with ‘ideas’ and/or ‘concepts’ and reduce the personalities to an inconsequential level? Yes they do overlap and are difficult to tease out. But I suggest we try.
We are but ships in the night and we should operate that way. While the ‘concepts’ are enduring.
“What on earth does any of that mean?”
It means don’t project your guesses of someone’s personality and earlier life
I already worked in Retail you moron
No wonder you retired early with a “successful business” with not enough to retire on.
And now you have to use Centrelink.
The correct outlook would be to work your arse off if you can and aim to never go near Centrelink.
I’m well past that point .
But not you. You retired early so you could bludge.
Centrelink is there for those who could never acquire enough to retire without some help.
You are just a bludger .
You could have kept going but obviously didn’t save enough.
Others don’t have that opportunity.
You claim you were soooooo successful but you squibbed it.
Really? No ‘projection’ here? Shakes head.
No ‘projection’ or ‘meaning’ given here either. Just an obvious truth apparently.
Not sure that all would give the same ‘meaning’ to his circumstances. But then I’m not the victim of the ‘training’ given to accountants.. Thankfully.
“……that the meaning you give is that he’s rich and powerful”
Oh and the N5 sticks its gutless head up.
So what’s your definition of “Rich”
And “Powerful” .? ….what’s your definition and .where have I claimed so whilst you are at it.
Re your questions.
You know, I think the scales are falling, albeit somewhat slowly. Are you suggesting that people actually give ‘meanings’ or ‘definitions’ to ‘concepts’ and that such attributions aren’t universal? If so, you are making progress, limited as that may be. Perhaps I should send you a bill, given that economic relationships seem to be the only ones that interest you.
But seriously, I suspected you would be comatose by now.
Not that I’m into personal descriptions.
‘AUSTRALIA is holding its lead as the top destination for Chinese direct investment with $49 billion invested, helped by a surge in gas investments, but the rest of the world is catching up fast.
‘In a joint report published yesterday, KPMG and Sydney University’s China Studies Centre said Australia has 13.2 per cent of China’s total foreign direct investments, just ahead of the US’s 13.1 per cent.’
Rowan Callick in the Oz
Those are the questions to answer …
… rich? rich in what and to whom … values so often shift … for many reasons … I’m rich in that my family lives so close and I can spend time with them (my work used to entail a lot of time away from home) …
Powerful … to whom? Yourself, others, …. what for to assist others? or yourself at others’ expense…? For me, the latter is the concept of Robber Barons …
Tinkler is a wobber baron.
How about 3 Mercs, 1 BMW plus 2 vw in a caryard when I was 19 in 2 weeks. Plus a .datsun180
I must say that’s an impressive “bag”, Wally …. selling cars is something we actually have in common …
… did I tell you I sold new cars for 12 months as part of my “corporate development program”?
My target was set at 13 per month I usually cracked between 16-20 but I did have a 90% retention rate … highest out of my team of five – others went for turnover and low retention rate … I’m assuming you worked on base salary and commission so you’d understand that …
Sold a car on my first day … and they all sang “happy birhsale to you, happy birhsale to you etc”, that afternoon … hardest part was flogging the trades in those days we had to hawk ’em around the used car yards … as well as sell the new ones … I resigned after 12 months (too much BS) … went back to service advisor …
Here’s a special question for Wally …
How long should a person work for in a lifetime*?
*Expectancy is early eighties these days for my ilk …
And for you general edification …
why as a self funded retiree do you need to go anywhere near Centrelink ?
Because part of my plan was to recoup (in my retirement) that part of my higher taxes I paid from 1964 to 1992 (and later) that was supposedly to pay for my pension … its mine, I paid for it!
Learn the system and use it to your advantage … and here I was thinking that you were clever with other people’s money? 🙄
I paid my taxes and therefore I’m entitled to a pension is the greatest argument for non deficit governrnmrnt budgets I have ever heard.
Thanks TB
So Gonski (N5 ) has a problem with definition of Rich and Powerful.
Why don’t we start really slowly for you dickhead and just link where you reckon I claimed to be powerful.
Don’t fuck around with your usual bizarre inner meanings and inflections .
You made the accusation towards me
Link one single comment from here where i claimed to be powerful and another to where i was rich you dickhead.
Lets start with powerful first.
I’ll wait .
”I mean, when you have the Leader of the Opposition talking about a peaceful invasion, what are those words meant to imply to people? It’s not meant to imply it’s a good thing. Being invaded by definition is the most dreadful thing that can happen to a country,” said Julia Gillard.
Its a peaceful takeover of the island, which the Australian people accept with some reservation. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate, remember the Brisbane Line.
Latest poll in Fairfax shows no bounce for Gillard, 2PP 44/56.
People have stopped listening to Gillard, there is nothing that she can say that will change people’s opinion of her. Even the unliked Abbott is preferred as PM.
The only political strategy of the government is to hope for an Abbott blunder, which isn’t a strategy, it’s a wish.
This is a government that deserves a genuine hiding from the electorate, its only hope is to give Gillard the treatment they gave Rudd.