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April 5, 2013

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The Washington Post’s Mensa Invitational once again invited readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition.

Here are the winners:

1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.

2. Ignoranus: A person who’s both stupid and an asshole.

3. Intaxicaton: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.

4. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

5. Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

6. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.

7. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high

8. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn’t get it.

9. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

11. Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.

12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

13. Glibido: All talk and no action.

14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.

16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

17. Caterpallor ( n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you’re eating.

The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words.

And the winners are: 

1. Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.

2. Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.

3. Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.

4. esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.

5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.

6. Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.

7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.

8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.

9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.

10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.

11. Testicle, n. A humorous question on an exam.

12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.

13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.

14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.

15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.

16. Circumvent, n. An opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Jewish men

 

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449 Comments leave one →
  1. April 5, 2013 6:02 pm

    Gina is having our cake & eating it too!

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2013 8:55 pm

    Tigers vs Saints. It’s a difficult choice in selection and a close game right now.

    But given that we’re apparently “all misogynists now”, St Kilda have to be preferred on the criteria determined by the PM.
    ===========
    Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.

    Funny and a daily event with some of the people I put up with.

  3. April 5, 2013 9:01 pm

    Go Tigers #itsanobrainer

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2013 9:30 pm

    Meanwhile, it’s great that Min & Scaper reminisce about old time here.

    Scaper of course, is always welcome at the cafe because he provides a yardstick by which others are able to assess their own grip on reality, and intelligence.

  5. el gordo permalink
    April 5, 2013 9:33 pm

    Scaper thinks we are ‘tools’. What does that mean?

  6. April 5, 2013 9:52 pm

    He’s a very influential fucktard. He has the ears of the movers & shakers. He has trouble keeping up with the details of his elaborately woven, but poorly constructed fantasies. In short, he desperately craves recognition from strangers across the blogosphere; and is want to have little tantys when he works out that they’re not taking him seriously.

  7. el gordo permalink
    April 5, 2013 10:08 pm

    This for the cafe dwellers lurking…

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2013 10:16 pm

    Where are all the people who condemned Howard for locking up asylum seekers??

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/get-children-and-families-off-manus-refugee-advocate-20130405-2hanq.html

    Mr Aristotle says these safeguards aren’t ”just for the hell of it”.

    He’s particularly concerned about the arbitrary detention of asylum seekers, especially children, on Manus Island.”

    Could it be that the Greens and ALP supporters were just using asylum seekers for political purposes when they condemned Howards policies??

  9. Bagz ` R ` Us permalink
    April 5, 2013 11:01 pm

    17. Peanuts,n. Very small green coloured testes.

  10. April 6, 2013 8:47 am

    Interesting read on the state of North Korea…

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/bomb-alaska-20130405-2hc7i.html

  11. el gordo permalink
    April 6, 2013 10:19 am

    Bombe Alaska … much amusement amongst the subs at smh.

  12. el gordo permalink
    April 6, 2013 10:34 am

    Developing an ear for truth …. Caleb Grace in a guest post at WUWT,

    ‘I am always seizing upon things people tell me, parking the statements in my memory, and only years later learning they are untrue. It is not merely urban myths, (such as the myth about crocodiles living in the sewers of New York,) which I must discard, but all sorts of tidbits of history and quotes by famous people.

    ‘Of course, until I stand corrected, I am a purveyor of misinformation. I hate to admit it. After all, I love Truth, and do my best to be honest. However there is no filter you can clamp on your brain, as you wander through life, which automatically screens the false from the True.

    ‘If you are eager to learn and ask many questions, your openness and honesty can also make you naïve and gullible, and you ingest all sorts of balderdash. After you have ingested this crud, the best (and sometimes only) way to be rid of it is through embarrassment.

    ‘It is rough on the old ego, but, having something you honor as “fact” publically proven to be claptrap, and cringing in the consequential embarrassment, is a way to the beauty of Truth.’

  13. el gordo permalink
    April 6, 2013 6:25 pm

    John Lord has a post up at AIMN, a woeful effort but the comments are robust.

    Just an observation… posts on climate change attract intelligent debate and many visitor numbers.

  14. April 7, 2013 3:14 am

    Teabageddon: the destruction of our planet caused by the practice of teabag theory.

  15. April 7, 2013 3:38 am

    Teabagification: The successful hijacking of, Deniers, Religions, and assorted idiots by Corporations to benefit the Corporations.

  16. April 7, 2013 3:41 am

    Foxification: The teabagification of the embedded media.

  17. April 7, 2013 3:53 am

    Teabag Theory: Any of the doctrines that place corporations and corporations interests above all other citizens and all other needs, no matter how unfair or idiotic the corporate interest is. Example, poisoning water that is needed by the many, for corporate profit for the few.

  18. April 7, 2013 4:09 am

    Teabags: The adoring congregation that worship with unquestioning faith any or all of the doctrines of teabag theory.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 10:08 am

    gobsession – compulsively running off at the mouth about teabags

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 10:35 am

    This is fascinating!!

    Gillard calls Abbott an “economic simpleton”, after Gillard used an analogy about debt, along the lines of “our debt is like someone who has $10,000 debt but an income of $100,000”

    In this single comment Gillard provided proof to everyone that she is an economic ignoramus. She’s a complete dill, and a worthy colleague of Swan on matters relating to the economy.

    JULIA Gillard has lashed out at the Opposition branding its positions on foreign investment and superannuation tax changes, crazy and dangerous and describing Tony Abbott as an “economic simpleton”.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-describes-abbott-as-an-economic-simpleton-20130406-2hdq0.html#ixzz2PjVt2KIp

  21. April 7, 2013 11:54 am

    Sure yomm ” This is fascinating!! “
    when teabags continually act as apologists for Mr-Rabbit when he continually talks down `our` AAA rated nation, especially when teabags are `sooo` concerned with finance. _ #teabag_derp

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2013 12:02 pm

    In this single comment Gillard provided proof to everyone that she is an economic ignoramus. She’s a complete dill, and a worthy colleague of Swan on matters relating to the economy.

    Could you expand on that, please, ToM … I know people with debts of $300,000 who are earning $80,000 pa …

  23. April 7, 2013 12:15 pm

    Tea Spooning: The almost sexual, love and devotion bestowed on a senior ranking Teabag by a lower ranking, or unranked Teabag.

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2013 12:33 pm

    Yes this statement is quite deceitful

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/article/16553380/gillard-says-australians-still-not-used-to-female-pm/

    “Ms Gillard also defended the level of government debt, saying it was the equivalent of someone earning $100,000 a year having a mortgage of $10,000
    .”

    If I was on $100,000/year I could pay off a $10,000 mortgage in a few months. However the rusted ons will believe anything she says.

    She has got to be the most deceitful PM in our nations history.

  25. April 7, 2013 12:49 pm

    Tea Guzzling: The unquestioned, rapid, swallowing of as many as possible doctrines of teabag theory, that a teabag can muster.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 12:52 pm

    Gillard got completely confused about GDP/debt.

    She used an income analogy, to establish the GDP/debt ratio. GDP is turnover, not income, and with the use of this analogy Gillard demonstrated that she is ignorant about economics.

    There are several ALP barrackers who repeat the analogy, they also demonstrate their economic ignorance.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 12:55 pm

    “spewrous argument” – repetition so lacking in logic and intelligence that is induces involuntary regurgitation*

    *refer 730 and Café Whispers for examples

  28. April 7, 2013 1:02 pm

    Tea Spouting: The rapid regurgitation of teabag squawking points or teabag theory.
    (may include bullet points)

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2013 1:10 pm

    Gillard got completely confused about GDP/debt.

    She used an income analogy, to establish the GDP/debt ratio”

    Actually it would not have been Gillard. She is too dumb to think of an analogy like that. It would have been one of her advisers. Somebody like Stephen Koukoulas. I personally think Koukoulas is insane.

  30. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 1:20 pm

    Neil we know Howard built the Darwin line and sold it for a song. Would you like to hazard a guess at what Abbott will do in terms of infrastructure?

    I would join you at the cafe, but alas…

  31. April 7, 2013 1:30 pm

    ” do in terms of infrastructure? “
    Mr-Rabbit will rip up the nbn and tear down a couple of desal plants under his policy of `No`

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2013 1:30 pm

    Don’t know but I hope he builds more dams. Not too sure however the role of the Commonwealth versus States. It was the State govts that built all those desalination plants. The Commonwealth had nothing to do with them. Most are now mothballed because it rained.

  33. April 7, 2013 1:52 pm

    ” but I hope he builds more dams.”
    me too, it is good that Mr-Rabbit wants to store the fracked water somewhere _ #4corners

  34. April 7, 2013 1:57 pm

    Teabagtopia: The state of nirvana lower ranked Teabags delude themselves will exist when high ranked Teabags have total control of everything.

  35. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 2:20 pm

    More dams would be good.

    The Feds are already involved with road building, but I’m thinking High Speed Rail (HSR) will be top of the Coalition election plank?

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2013 3:06 pm

    No it cannot be true. The ALP is going to get us to sell our kidneys to help balance the budget.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/organs-a-nice-earner-as-donors-to-get-wage/story-e6frg6n6-1226613961284

    AUSTRALIA will pay living organ donors a six-week wage of up to $3600 to donate a kidney in a bid to slash the waiting lists for surgery.”

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2013 3:06 pm

    She used an income analogy, to establish the GDP/debt ratio.

    ToM, I’m still trying to find where the PM did this … not in your original link …

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2013 3:10 pm

    No it cannot be true.

    if you “read” the link YOU supplied the only thing you got right is the quote above!

    Go and study trigonometry or something … obviously comprehension is beyond you and you panic at headlines from, The Oz, like a little schoolgirl!

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 3:13 pm

    Gillardined – a method of execution of a Prime Minister by their own side. Unlike a traditional guillotine, this form of execution relies on the blade being plunged into the back.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 3:16 pm

    TB – she said it during an interview on the 7.30 Report. It has been repeated several times, often by her equally economically illiterate supporters.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2013 3:41 pm

    Still can’t pinpoint the quote exactly …

    … this is probably more to the point …

    The facts of the budget show that the current government’s budgetary footprint on the economy is small, running at the lowest level in 35 years, writes Stephen Koukoulas.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4427680.html

    Or this …

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdp

    Noice graphs … and no hype …

    Found this tho …

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansardr%2F99d0f7c3-3aa4-4fae-bdd1-77a0cbf2e5c9%2F0081;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansardr%2F99d0f7c3-3aa4-4fae-bdd1-77a0cbf2e5c9%2F0000%22

    amusing, if fiction can be stranger than fact … I wonder which “big resource economies”, Mr Christianson is referring to? African countries? South American? Russian?

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 4:09 pm

    She is a true economic dill.

    Ms Gillard also defended the level of government debt, saying it was the equivalent of someone earning $100,000 a year having a mortgage of $10,000.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-04/australians-still-not-used-to-a-female-pm-gillard-says/4609954

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2013 4:23 pm

    ToM, they are ALL economic dills … and to single the PM out is a bit lopsided …

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 4:36 pm

    Probably TB, but I made the observation about Gillard today because she’d called Abbott and economic simpleton. Maybe he is, but Gillard is the last person who should question anyone’s economic credentials.

    Her own comments prove she is a complete dill.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2013 4:42 pm

    Her own comments prove she is a complete dill.”

    That is undisputed. But she would be saying things under advice. I made this comment earlier.

    It would be her advisers that are the dills. Stephen Koukoulas was her adviser once. It is Koukoulas that is the dill. The man is a total fool.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2013 4:56 pm

    Yes Neil, it’s interesting that the analogy has been made by Gillard on several occasions, and by others. But no journalist has picked her up on it, do they go easy on her?

    The fact that Gillard has made that comment several times just demonstrates that she has no comprehension of economics.

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2013 5:03 pm

    The fact that Gillard has made that comment several times just demonstrates that she has no comprehension of economics.”

    I guess you are right. But what would you do if you were the PM and your advisers who have PHD’s in economics tell you to say things like our govt debt is like a mortgage.

    I suspect that Stephen Koukamaniac told her that govt debt is like a mortgage. It would be hard if you were the PM and the adviser who had a PhD in economics told you to say things like that.

  48. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 8:33 pm

    Japan set to flood the world with yen…

    ‘The BoJ’s new team under governor Haruhiko Kuroda voted 8:1 for a double dose of “quantitative and qualitative monetary easing”, vowing to inject stimulus for “as long as it takes” to break the deflation psychology.

    “This will be recorded in economic history books as a watershed in central bank action. Investors should be shocked and awed,” said Stephen Jen from SLJ Macro Partners.’

    Ambrose Evans Pritchard

  49. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 8:39 pm

    Rudd gets more than a photo op, but nothing much on joolya.

    http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/epaper/2013-04/03/content_16373190.htm

  50. April 8, 2013 6:36 am

    Mr-Rabbit didn`t seem to do well on his #60min propaganda session. This is how things will play out from about Aug, to Sep-14.

    .
    from this post
    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/shellyhorton1-on-her-trending-tony-tweet/

  51. April 8, 2013 6:49 am

    as we get closer to sep-14, the voters will experience again, the 2010 “living_death” of the selection process, as all politicians out-break in Alzheimer’s

  52. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:56 am

    ‘But the company has been waiting 26 years for high-speed rail to come to Australia. It opened its Sydney office in 1988. For now its main line of business is exporting Australian wine and snacks such as beef jerky to Japan to be sold on the shinkansen.

    ”That way we can keep open this office without any income from high-speed rail projects,” Mr Okajima said.

    ‘The biggest sticking point remained the huge cost of building it, but the government ”should not be afraid to borrow” as Japan did in the 1950s to its ultimate benefit. ”The first stage should be some short distance, like Sydney to Canberra,” Mr Okajima said. ”Then we will realise how it can play a role in building the nation.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/bite-the-bullet-japan-keen-to-introduce-its-train-20130407-2hepk.html#ixzz2PoSvpImL

  53. April 8, 2013 6:58 am

    but as we all know, the wars between the Tea_Guzzlers and Frothy_Coffee_Sippers are really just `sideshows`, as most voters don`t like and don`t trust either side

  54. April 8, 2013 7:02 am

    where is the high speed rail meant to go gordo.?

  55. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 7:05 am

    Abbott plans to build Sydney/Canberra first, with the support of O’Farrell .

    In other nooze….

    ‘VOTER support for South Australia’s Labor government has sunk just a year out from an election in the party’s last-held mainland state.

    ‘As federal Labor heads towards an election set for September 14, primary support for the party’s South Australian branch has slumped to 33 per cent, according to the latest Newspoll survey conducted exclusively for The Australian over the past month.’

    Sarah Martin in the Oz

  56. April 8, 2013 7:19 am

    Sydney to Canberra huh, that means taxpayers won`t be providing comm-cars any more.? Can`t see that happening, probably wouldn`t be viable. Has Mr-Rabbit done a Cost-Benefit analysis.? _ The Syd-Melb and Syd-Bris runs aren`t suitable last l heard, Melb-Adel not viable, _ let`s see those cba`s.

  57. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 7:30 am

    The Sydney-Canberra run is cost effective when you consider Sydney’s second airport will be in Canberra.

    The cost to build at Badgery’s Creek will be around $9 billion, while Canberra is already up and running. The beauty of the scheme is that international travellers could fly into Canberra at 2am and be in downtown Sydney in 57 minutes.

    At the moment, because of the curfew, this is not possible.

  58. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 7:39 am

    ‘TRANSPORT magnate Lindsay Fox believes Australia is at risk of becoming a “Third World country” because of a persistent lack of investment in infrastructure and long-term planning by state and federal governments.

    ‘Mr Fox, the executive chairman of Australia’s second-largest transport company, Linfox, said traffic congestion on major city roads and interstate highways was a growing impediment to business in Australia.’

    Scott Murdoch in the Oz

  59. April 8, 2013 7:41 am

    Badgery’s Creek, (airport) it won`t ever get up gordo, the residents riot every time a bulldozer goes near the place, I think they also belted the Govt in court

  60. April 8, 2013 8:09 am

    hey gordo, are you still allowed to do your `talkabout` pages at coffee-1.? or are you just `blocked` at coffee-2.?

  61. April 8, 2013 8:20 am

    abc1 news, there is some pants-wetting over Korea and anti-China rhetoric this morning

  62. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:37 am

    I’m totally banned at the Cafe and AIMN, which is upsetting because I’m chaffing at the bit.

    ‘the residents riot every time a bulldozer goes near the place, I think they also belted the Govt in court’

    That’s good news for the Abbott camp, High Speed Rail will be a major part of their platform.

  63. April 8, 2013 9:43 am

    ” Abbott camp, High Speed Rail will be”
    l don`t know that `rail` will get traction with anybody gordo. For decades `unicorn` powered rail link `parramatta to epping` has been fibbed about by all kinds, KK and Joolya in 2010. How many decades did it take to get Syd-Melb using the same track `gauge`.?
    .
    Have you found another coffee-shop to hassel.? 🙂

  64. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 8, 2013 9:43 am

    “The beauty of the scheme is that international travellers could fly into Canberra at 2am and be in downtown Sydney in 57 minutes.”

    Not having a go at you El Gordo but this 24 hour argument in relation to a Second Airport always gets a chuckle from me.

    What is a foreign tourist going to do at 3am in the morning in Sydney. Will they join the queue at some Kings Cross Nightclub on a Tuesday morning ?

    Because they sure as hell wont be able to check into their hotel room unless they have paid for the night before. It might suit a local coming back from OS but people forget that 24 hour airports work best as transit points for ongoing travel connections like London, Paris , New York etc.

    Australia is at the “end of the line” for overseas travel

  65. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:06 am

    ‘Will they join the queue at some Kings Cross Nightclub on a Tuesday morning ?’

    Hmmm… the accommodation business is up to the task of 24 hour service.

    Its important to think outside the square 7.30, Abbott has refused to fund any new rail inside capital cities.

  66. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:10 am

    ‘Have you found another coffee-shop to hassel?’

    No.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:48 am

    Oh! The hypocrisy!

    Queensland has to reduce its spending says, Noddy Newman, as they sack thousands of public servants (three I know in my street – one with 43 years service) but we need a 43 storey government high rise …

    CONSTRUCTION of the Newman Government’s tower of power will uncover long-buried secrets from Brisbane’s past.
    An archeological report on 1 William St, site of the Government’s 43-level home from 2016, has revealed remnants of some of Brisbane’s earliest buildings.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/newman-governments-tower-of-power-dig-site-on-william-st-brisbane-a-gold-mine-of-historic-finds/story-fndo4ckr-1226614425041

    … wonder what’s in it for his in laws!

    LNP leader Campbell Newman must explain why a developer donated $72,000 to his council re-election fund under seven different names,says Anna Bligh.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/campbell-newman-must-explain-donations-by-developer-into-re-election-fund-says-anna-bligh/story-fnbt5t29-1226285856377

    Just sayin’ …

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2013 11:14 am

    “Fairfax Media has labelled the charging of three Age journalists as another attack on press freedom in Australia.

    The three – Royce Millar, Nick McKenzie and Ben Schneiders – have been charged with unauthorised access to restricted data and are to appear before the Melbourne Magistrates Court in May.

    Fairfax Media understands a fourth person, former Melbourne city councillor Fraser Brindley, faces a similar charge. “

    So there you have it – three Age journos and Greens operative! One rather suspects that if News journos had been involved, the main talking point would have been something other than “attack on press freedom in Australia”.

  69. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 11:27 am

    The odd thing is that Albo was in favour of fast rail, but for some inexplicable reason has turned his back on it.

    http://bze.org.au/media/releases/high-speed-rail-cheaper-albanese-thinks-130305

    I’m thinking of making transport my new portfolio, now that the science on climate change has finally been settled.

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2013 11:47 am

    The odd thing is that Albo was in favour of fast rail, but for some inexplicable reason has turned his back on it.”

    I suspect that there are not enough passengers to make a profit. I think a study showed this years ago. I think the politicians for political purposes say they are interested and then put it in the too hard basket.

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 12:11 pm

    NBN – reports confirm that it is behind schedule, low take up rates, higher costs.

    NBN is fighting with its own preferred contractors. ALP affiliated unions are criticising contractor rates. It’s turning into the disaster that was anticipated.

    The government is desperately trying to hold back the tide of bad news until after Sept, but it is all coming out.

  72. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 12:18 pm

    ‘I suspect that there are not enough passengers to make a profit.’

    I disagree, but will do some further research to clarify.

    At this early stage I can safely predict France, Germany and Japan will be the tenders … with Chinese construction teams the preferred option.

  73. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 1:54 pm

    It would cost $10 billion to build fast rail from Sydney to Canberra airport and $9 billion to build a new airport at Badgery’s Creek.

    The economics are straight forward, even 2D would agree, but the PM has no understanding of such matters.

    ”We’ve had Minister [Anthony] Albanese scope all of this out, through a feasibility study and the truth is it’s a lot of money for a fast train that will do not only the interconnection from Sydney to Canberra, but also the interconnection to Melbourne,” she said.

    ”I think it’s some time away, before you would see population density at a point where it would make it viable.”

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/fast-train-link-to-canberra-some-time-away-says-pm-20121009-27bok.html#ixzz2Pq9pURzP

  74. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 2:09 pm

    Yep, it will be viable.

    ‘The growing passenger numbers from Sydney’s overflow would make high-speed rail a viable solution for aviation capacity needs.

    ”It is only 15 years until KSA is at capacity according to the Joint Study on Aviation Capacity for the Sydney Region and if nothing is done the revenue forgone for NSW and Australia will be billions of dollars,” Mr Byron said.

    ‘The Canberra Airport study concludes that in 2030, the number of passengers overflowing from a capacity-constrained Sydney airport and using Canberra Airport and high-speed rail will be 2.5 million. This would boost the total number of high-speed rail passengers by 37 per cent to 9.3 million.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/sydneycanberra-flights-will-end-if-fast-rail-arrives-report-20121007-277p4.html#ixzz2PqEahnbC

  75. April 8, 2013 2:26 pm

    ” Yep, it will be viable.”
    that`s good to hear gordo, yomm must have approved the `cost_benefit_analysis`, we wouldn`t want to go into mindless teabag cheer-leading.? would we.?

  76. April 8, 2013 2:34 pm

    Mr-Talkbull says, with his cost benefit analysis on high speed rail, they can save 36% by doing high-speed rail to the outer suburbs, then horse and cart to the airports or city centers.

  77. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2013 2:54 pm

    And in 730retardland if the government owns it, it can decide which passengers it carries and which it filters out.

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 3:18 pm

    730 just wants the NBN, regardless of the cost. Because it will be really, really good, and everything.

    That we could connect every public hospital, school, university, public library…for about 1/10 of the cost doesn’t matter.

    It also doesn’t matter that it is behind installation schedule, higher construction costs, lower take up rates…because NBN is really good.

  79. April 8, 2013 3:52 pm

    ” 730 just wants the NBN “ knowing the idiocy of politicians, the nbn will probably be priced way beyond my budgets ability. However, as we live in the `digital_age` l realize that the nation will need a `digital_platform`. Unlike teabags, spouting `private` enterprise, l also realize that for more that a decade `private` enterprise, telstra, optus, vodaphone and the rest HAVE TOTALLY FAILED TO DELIVER. Teabags are also hypocrites, as they would champion the nbn if the teabag party had done the identical plan.

  80. Bagz ` R ` Us permalink
    April 8, 2013 4:30 pm

    #stoopidteabags never watched field_of _dreams, `build it, they will come`. size and cost not important if govt building public_good in national_interest, borrrowing for infrastructure no problem. #teabg_theory needs big enough demand for free_market to recognise need and build it, but only if `customer` likes price and `builder ` likes margin. #lalaland #teabagsdidntbuildsnowymountainscheme #don`tmentionthewww

  81. April 8, 2013 4:33 pm

    there`s no retardation, like teabag retardation splatter, if the John-W Teabag Regime had not sold off telstra in the first place, the nbn cost (which teabags moan about) WOULD be much lower

  82. April 8, 2013 4:57 pm

    #teabag_failure
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/holden-set-to-make-major-announcement-regarding-jobs-at-south-australian-and-victorian-plants/story-e6frea83-1226614971545
    #auto_industry_welfare
    Total $4.5
    Ford $1.1
    Toyota $1.2
    General Motors $2.2
    why aren`t our teabags moaning about this.?

  83. Bagz ` R ` Us permalink
    April 8, 2013 5:13 pm

    #baggers will claim it`s `protectionism`, big_govt saving union job`s with taxpayer money. #logicfail it`s big_biz taking taxpayer money to stay open. #teabagshateourjobs

  84. April 8, 2013 5:22 pm

    #teapartydefenderoSYwantstoknowwhyanyonewoulddefendtheleft

    #ironytransplant

  85. April 8, 2013 5:28 pm

    state and federal govts, both teabag and teabag-lite have given this corporate welfare claiming `free-trade` and `capitalism` and #don`t_respect_our_tax_dollars but are also too stoopid to demand a #shareholding_for_our_money which they could sell off later at a profit

  86. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 5:30 pm

    Yeah…. well as I was sayin’

    The Abbott team will keep quiet about fast rail until a couple of weeks out from the election.

  87. April 8, 2013 5:34 pm

    Fuck You…

  88. April 8, 2013 5:37 pm

    I’m thinking of putting the term “tea bags” etc into the spaminator…

    It’s becoming boring.

    In fact, I think I will.

  89. April 8, 2013 5:37 pm

    four_million_five_hundred_thousand_million_dollars #that`s_right_teabags

  90. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 5:47 pm

    No good abusing me toilet, water off a duck’s back after my time at the cafe.

  91. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:09 pm

    Okay I apologise for saying ‘you need a dose of WD40’ and ‘perhaps you should consider your future.’

    It was a veiled attempt at humour… which got no laughs.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:19 pm

    Tony Abbott confirmed again yesterday he plans to scrap the Low Income Superannuation Contribution worth up to $500 a year for people earning up to $37,000.

    Under Tony Abbott’s plan 3.6 million low income earners, including 2.1 million women, would pay $4 billion more tax while people with millions in their super accounts would pay no tax.

    Labor is the party of superannuation – we invented it, we have nurtured it and grown it, and we will always protect it.

    S’true …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And in 730retardland if the government owns it, it can decide which passengers it carries and which it filters out.

    How? With a granny filter – that worked … BTW so can the fascists you support … splatterbum … ’cause they won’t stop the roll out … just like the GST wasn’t stopped … all birds of a feather!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That we could connect every public hospital, school, university, public library…for about 1/10 of the cost doesn’t matter.

    CRAP! Prove it!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fuck You…

    Who? Oh! You’ve just awakened … I remember!

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:35 pm

    My comment is awaiting MODERATION!!! Because I said “t*a b*gs”

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:36 pm

    What??!! You’re finding “t*a b*gs” a bit boring???!!!

    I think the constant repetition of “t*a b*gs” etc is very subtle wit, erudite.

  95. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:36 pm

    Bob always had an unhealthy interest in American history….

    ‘Previously secret US embassy and consulate reports incorporated into a new searchable database unveiled by WikiLeaks on Monday reveal that Senator Carr was a source for US diplomats seeking information on the Whitlam government and the broader Labor movement in the mid-1970s.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/bob-carr-washingtons-man-in-australia-20130408-2hgut.html#ixzz2PrJ8vwJi

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:38 pm

    Shows how stupid the spaminator really is!

    Whatever happened to Kamahl?

    He was always reasonable …

    Although in your case ToM, I can think of so many words to whack into the spaminator you’d be keyboardtied … your comments are as orginal as teebag …

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:42 pm

    Senator Carr was a source for US diplomats …

    I vaguely remember, Beazley, setting up a a “sting” to gain computer software for FIII upgrades from the Yanks (they wouldn’t hand it over – what “allies”) … so I seriously doubt that nonsense …

  98. Bagz ` R ` Us permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:56 pm

    #brevity #repetition is the soul of wit #theregoesanothercharacter

  99. Bagz ` R ` Us permalink
    April 8, 2013 6:58 pm

    in_moderation_and_didn`t_even_say*******

  100. April 8, 2013 6:59 pm

    “My comment is awaiting MODERATION!!! Because I said “t*a b*gs”

    Let that be a lesson to all of youse!!!

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 7:19 pm

    #brevity #repetition is the soul of wit #theregoesanothercharacter

    Does anyone understand this $#!t .. ’cause I find it just clogs up an already painful digestive system …

    Let that be a lesson to all of youse!!!

    sreb, sounds more like a Catlik priest everyday …

  102. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 7:50 pm

    John Lord’s climate change post has racked up 309 comments. Extraordinary.

  103. April 8, 2013 8:00 pm

    ” sounds more like a Catlik priest everyday”
    Nah, _ coffee-shop owner

    *teeebgs

  104. April 8, 2013 8:06 pm

    ” John Lord’s climate change post “
    gee gordo, you must be breaking out in a cold-sweat, as you can only peer over the fence

  105. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:09 pm

    Yeah, I’m salivating.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:11 pm

    Nah, _ coffee-shop owner

    037 … like most “posters” here you also miss the “subleties” of the English language and “history” … “lessons” is a BIG clue to my original comment … priests traditionally “administered” lessons to their flock … no wonder the ABC is floundering … if its not the simplicity of News Ltd’s… “f**k this you stupid c**t” … no one seems to understand what you are talking about anymore … I blame splatterbum and its ilk … 🙄

  107. April 8, 2013 8:15 pm

    “no one seems to understand what you are talking about anymore ”

    Hear hear!!

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:58 pm

    I recall readin in the eighties that the government needed to direct its advertising at the comprehension level of an eleven year old …

    These days its more like an illiterate, foul mouthed, third world, 10 year old!

    And we are expected to pay illiterate teachers, with limited skills and questionable general and specialised knowledge more money …*

    * the real problem is the stupid, self centred, ignorant parents …. who don’t think its their responsibility to bring up their kids ’cause the education system told THEM about thier rights but forgot the RESPONSIBILITY to society bit!

  109. April 8, 2013 8:58 pm

    “lessons” is a BIG clue to my original comment …
    bullshit TB, reb@April 8, 2013 6:59 pm, started the mini-thread
    ******************************************************************************
    priests traditionally “administered” lessons to their flock … no wonder the ABC is floundering …
    730, reb and dunny seem to be atheists, do you really expect them to study fairy-tale history.?
    ******************************************************************************
    … “f**k this you stupid c**t” …
    bullshit. l have never said this to you or anybody on ANY blog, not even the `bags`
    ******************************************************************************
    no one seems to understand what you are talking about anymore … I blame splatterbum and its ilk
    WTF.? l`m not clear, but it`s somebody else`s fault.?

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:59 pm

    Please Note: Your comment is awaiting moderation.</I.

    Do I care, Warpie!

    😉

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:59 pm

    Would anyone seriously write an article about racism, and specifically name Bolt and Abbott, but neglect to even mention Gillard and her disgraceful policy on asylum seekers?

    Only an ALP apologist, such as Miglo.

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2013 9:01 pm

    730 is obviously demonstrating my point … or he’s pissed …

    Did I need a “sarc” … LOL!

    I have to go!!!! LOL!

    Can you explain, sreb … LOL! Oh! Dear!

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2013 9:20 pm

    “Only an ALP apologist, such as Miglo.”

    Politics has similarities to religion. People at the Cafe praise Gillard for certain things. If Howard had done the same things they would say they were a waste of time.

    Facts are irrelevant. I notice ALP supporters are saying why should be change govt since our economy is O.K. But it was better in 2007. Unemployment reached 4% under Howard. You have to go back a generation to the 1970’s to find a similar unemployment rate.

    I suspect that a lot of problems in our economy are being covered up because Swan has run deficits of $-27B, $-55B, $-48B, $-44B and who knows what this years will be. People say our debt is low but surely the rusted-on brain dead ALP supporters can see we cannot continue much longer to run deficits like that.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 9:43 pm

    WTF.? l`m not clear, but it`s somebody else`s fault.?

    I think you mean – “t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g t*ab*g… mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit mrrabbit”

    I can hardly understand what you’re on about when you use sentences.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2013 9:49 pm

    Yes, it is quite remarkable that a recycled undergraduate paper would specifically neglect to discuss (arguably) the most racist policy since the White Australia Policy.

    The political party which has specifically targeted the redneck vote is the ALP.

    But people like Miglo just gloss over it.

  116. April 8, 2013 10:02 pm

    abc1 news, Margaret Thatcher has died. (another `bag` bites the dust)

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:04 pm

    What gets me about ALP supporting blogs is that the focus never changes. It does not matter who is in govt the focus is always on the Coalition.

    Dunlops blog was always talking about Howard and the Coalition. Fare enough he was in govt. Now at the Cafe it is all about Abbott and the Coalition. And if Abbott wins in September the blogs focus will not change. It will be about Abbott and the Coalition.

  118. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:33 pm

    ‘And if Abbott wins in September the blogs focus will not change. It will be about Abbott and the Coalition.’

    Indeed… when Abbott wins they will become a voice crying in the wilderness, we wuz robbed by hate media. Truly the cafe of no consequence.

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:38 pm

    Yeah and watch how all the refugee groups will come out of their holes. If Abbott wins in September he will be faced with 6,000 asylum seekers locked up. Out they will come saying how mean and nasty Abbott is for keeping women and children locked up.

  120. Check out the Focus permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:38 pm

    What gets me about ALP supporting blogs is that the focus never changes.

    Been to a Bolt or Ackerman blog lately? Listened to Hadley or Jones any time in the last decade?

  121. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:41 pm

    Maggie Thatcher has died.

  122. April 8, 2013 10:42 pm

    Conroy says, 90$billion nbn price peddled by Limited-News is bullshit. Comment was not requested from Conroy`s office, pre-publishing. #Latelineland

  123. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:44 pm

    I had to confirm the report as another really really untrustworthy and totally unreliable source made the claim earlier here.

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 8, 2013 10:47 pm

    “Conroy says, 90$billion nbn price peddled by Limited-News is bullshit.

    Yes it most probably will be more like $120B. Can you imagine the rorting that will be going on if it is built with the ALP in power.

  125. April 8, 2013 10:51 pm

    ” confirm the report “ you will only have to wait 70mins and your `report` will be on the bolt_blog for your reading pleasure

  126. April 8, 2013 11:19 pm

    Emma really did a poor interview with Conroy tonight. https://mobile.twitter.com/730reportland/status/321249116187418624

  127. April 8, 2013 11:22 pm

    sorry folks, forgot to adjust the url

  128. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2013 6:41 am

    A devine solution to solve the asylum seeker problem …. a large cruise ship drifting between Cocos and Christmas islands offering four star accommodation.

    ”We will never have unions, particularly Australian unions, on those vessels because your price would triple,” he said. ”And hence the reason why I would be utilising Pacific island staff on crews … that’s what keeps the cost down.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/devine-intervention-plan-to-use-cruise-ships-to-patrol-ocean-20130408-2hhd1.html#ixzz2PuFLruyX

  129. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2013 6:55 am

    ‘A SCANDAL sheet making defamatory claims about a candidate’s sexual history and honesty while working for the Health Services Union has poisoned Labor’s attempts to run an orderly preselection ballot for the federal seat of Gellibrand.

    ‘Opponents of Katie Hall, former attorney-general Nicola Roxon’s candidate for the western Melbourne seat, have distributed a dirt sheet drawing on her past work for the HSU during the reign of disgraced former national secretary Craig Thomson.

    John Ferguson in the Oz

  130. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2013 7:06 am

    The Coalition’s NBN strategy has finally convinced me that we don’t need hard wire to every door in the country.

    ‘It will also cost only $29 billion to build – $15 billion cheaper than the Gillard government’s projected rollout cost, or more than $60 billion cheaper than what the Coalition claims the government’s policy will actually end up costing.’

    Simon Benson in the Daily Terror

  131. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:19 am

    This coffee house practices segregation and sends me and my family to the basement when we visit. This is racism. Help us Minipiglo.

  132. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:26 am

    I have even had to change my Surname.

  133. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:32 am

    That’s terrible news Joe.

    Why not suggest Miglo put up an open thread for heretics and lift the blanket ban on the Denialati?

  134. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:41 am

    On TV they say Thatcher has died and she was loved or loathed. Not much middle ground.

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2013 9:05 am

    Yes I met many English people who hated her guts. However this is standard for Conservative leaders.

    Nobody hates like “The Left”

    I thought Keating was a disaster. We got 30 months of double digit unemployment under keating. But I did not hate him.

  136. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 9, 2013 9:19 am

    It seems to me that the workforce and poor seem to hate Tories for making the wealthy and rich even more richer, while making the poor even poorer and their lives so much harder. When the Torie-opposites get in, the rich then hate and envy any break the poor get from government to reduce poverty and make life better. Reagan did the identical thing as Thatcher in the usa and so did Howard in australia. The Tory types really seem to want extravagance for themselves and friends and poverty and injustice for the rest. I think the attitude toward Asbestos poisoned Bernie Banton really highlighted this for me. While the company was allowed to scarper offshore to avoid court rulings against them.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 9:25 am

    So Margaret Thatcher is dead.

    How times have changed. 30 years ago Thatcher represented the very worst of conservative values, in my opinion. I couldn’t stand her. She sought to confront every cause I supported.

    Times change and Thatcher can still be criticised for her imperialist views and imperious manner, but her push for economic reform has provided to be her greatest legacy. Without the efforts and determination of Thatcher, the UK would look more like East Germany that a modern European country.

    Does anyone still think coal mining should be part of the English landscape? Or that the over manning in public transport should have been preserved? Or that public debt should be higher?

    There’s plenty of detail to disagree with Thatcher about, but on the broad sweep of economic policy, time has shown her direction to be the correct one.

  138. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 9, 2013 9:39 am

    ‘ Does anyone still think coal mining should be part of the English landscape? ‘
    Australia has a big chunk of it’s landscape devoted to coal and mining, why should the brits miss out?

    ‘Or that the over manning in public transport should have been preserved?’
    Unmanned public transport has been a bit of a failure in Sydney and Melbourne because of bashings and muggings, so many people won’t use it, in some areas, after dark, or at all. Now their is rail-cops being created. The brits will have similar problems.

  139. April 9, 2013 9:44 am

    “Help us Minipiglo.”

    Joe, you must understand that standards need to be maintained to allow productive and rational discourse to flow. This means that the persistently rude and unrefined trash-talking trolls that infest the blogosphere need to be suspended from time to time.

    Look at the sad little nest of vipers this place has become. It is just teebags and toerags talking past each other. Actually it is more like shouting insults at each other.

    But there is always hope for redemption both here and at the Cafe/AIMN. After the holy trinity that is MiniPiglo was rent asunder by the great Darling Harbour debauch, matters were testy for a while. But the triangulation was resolved in a reasonably amicable manner. Life is not without its bruises.

  140. April 9, 2013 9:51 am

    “Look at the sad little nest of vipers this place has become. It is just teebags and toerags talking past each other. Actually it is more like shouting insults at each other.”

    EXACTLY!

    Which is why I can’t be bothered commenting lately.

    If the main comment strings simply consist of teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!teabag…..!!

    Then why would anyone bother hanging around…

    Consider yourself on notice 730… Lift your game!!

  141. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 9, 2013 9:59 am

    “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

    — Margaret Thatcher

  142. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:01 am

    “I have even had to change my Surname.”

    Too bad.

  143. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:03 am

    “Australia has a big chunk of it’s landscape devoted to coal and mining, why should the brits miss out? ”

    My understanding was that it was heavily state subsidised as most of the mines were uneconomic.

    It also depends on whether its metallurgical or thermal coal and open cut versus shaft mined.

    Australia has both types of coal and I believe most mines here are the more economic open cut.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:04 am

    Does anyone still think coal mining should be part of the English landscape? Or that the over manning in public transport should have been preserved? Or that public debt should be higher?

    It wasn’t so much what she did, as how she went about it … callous disregard, is the kindest phrase I can think of …

    Close coal mines down? Sure … but plan alternative work and/or support for hundreds of thousands of miners and their families … many of which had already suffered job losses in the 1950’s/60’s when the wool and cotton mills closed down …

    (And for the record – and any newbies??? – I was born in Yorkshire – and became a boat people @ 12 — but I have rellies in Sussex too – my father’s family …)

  145. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:04 am

    To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.

    – Margaret Thatcher

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:06 am

    “And on Q&A; the reaction, by a celebrity ex prostitute called Brooke Magnanti: “And me without champagne “. No class. Disgusting.

    Bolt’s comment:

    “You’d think a woman who’s sold her body could at least afford to rent a brain.”

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:11 am

    It also depends on whether its metallurgical or thermal coal and open cut versus shaft mined.

    All shaft and black coal … used in gas works and homes and some power generators … of course big loss when the mills closed across the north …

    It really has changed the look of the place though … when I was kid everything had a layer of black on it! Now the place is “almost” pristine … love the WRiding where I grew up but wouldn’t want to live there … main industry now is tourism … and wobbly too … I grew up in villages like you see in Last Of the Summer Wine – shot just down ‘t road from where I lived …

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 11:29 am

    I’m not keen on the idea of the Coalition spending $30bn on broadband either.

  149. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:05 am

    ‘ Consider yourself on notice 730 …. Lift your game!! ‘

    ‘ If the main comment strings simply consist of ‘
    ” TxxBxG….TxxBxG….TxxBxG….TxxBxG….(etc) ‘

    reb, I think you are blaming the wrong person here.
    Petal of Melbourne has been doing the spam comments from what I can see.
    But Bxxs.R.US and 703.retardland have been egging on Petal too.
    It seems mainly the 703.retardland creature unhinges Petal with ‘beverage’ words, continually and often. It looks to me like Petal goes to water when he receives what he dishes out on the net.(cw,tps,aimn,etc) It also looks like 703.retardland thinks its clever because it makes some lucky guesses about things on your simon crean post, or digs up some obscure information or fact. This does not mean it has any wisdom, its just lucky. If I want wisdom, I will go to Piers Akermans site, not some ABC half-wit.

  150. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:33 am

    ‘ Joe, you must understand that standards need to be maintained to allow productive and rational discourse to flow. This means that the persistently rude and unrefined trash-talking trolls that infest the blogosphere need to be suspended from time to time.”
    .’
    Minipiglo, I agree fully with above, thanks for answering. I hope you turn up more often as I have always enjoyed your comments.
    c
    c
    c
    ‘ sad little nest of vipers this place has become. It is just tccbccgs and toerags talking past each other. Actually it is more like shouting insults at each other. ‘
    ,
    Minipiglo, I sort of disagree with this bit. WordPress is infested with leftie loons and weather wankers, but little in the way of conservative blogs that discuss the other stuff like tax and religion and government direction. reb should put more words in the spam filter to improve the discourse. I would suggest words that mock conservatives and religion a priority, such as, mrrabbit, noddy, mrtalksbull, skyfarey.

  151. April 10, 2013 7:36 am

    “reb, I think you are blaming the wrong person here.”

    Yes, well you would say that “Joe…”

    You do realise that “under the bonnet” I can tell that you’re posting from the same IP address as 730…

    Just saying.

  152. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:49 am

    realise that “under the bonnet”
    ,
    yep, of course 🙂
    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/rostrum-9/#comment-20230

  153. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:45 am

    “I can tell that you’re posting from the same IP address as 730…”

    Otherwise it means 730 perhaps has a wife who alos posts.

    Imagine being married to 730 ?

  154. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:59 am

    Nah, Jock Shock, its me. I thought I would give the `bags` something to chew on, but reb has undone that. Gordo hasn`t even shown up this morning. He`s 2/hours late from his usual start time.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:19 am

    Interesting that Joe can write complete sentences!

  156. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:49 am

    “Interesting that Joe can write complete sentences!”

    Yes but you need to read them backwards to make any sense of them

  157. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:55 am

    Sorry I’m late, weather wanking.

  158. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:00 am

    I was wondering why Telstra’s share price rose strongly early yesterday. Clearly someone knew something was up.

    I suspect today will be a rather beautiful day for any Telstra shareholders out there

    Like moi

    Looks like Talcum is going to buy its old copper network off them

    Telstra will be naming its price on that one

  159. IP address permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:01 am

    Resident wingnuts might be interested in The Evil Murdoch’s adress to the IPA on the theme “The morality of free markets”.

  160. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:35 am

    So what happens……………..Telstra falls in price

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:12 am

    So what happens……………..Telstra falls in price

    Well done Wally … I seem to be one of the few who actually sold Telstra and made a profit!

    Some years ago now though …

    … then it all got blown up by Metalstorm … that’s the way of the market …

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:28 am

    …and it is entertaining, watching Min, Miglo etc trying to figure out how to condemn Abbott on asylum seekers while excusing Gillard for her inhumane policy.

    It’s blame the High Court, or something… anything other than accepting responsibility for the low grade political appeal to the rednecks and racists.

  163. A CCC permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:34 am

    Sign me up for the Broadband/Voice/Foxtel bundle deal on Telstra’s HFC and NBN2’s knee-capped competition price policy, please.

  164. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:47 am

    Super fast Broadband is probably needed by hospitals etc, Universities and schools etc, and some businesses. The businesses can pay for their own. The institutions should get it funded. Homes, if they need it, should pay for their own.

    I’m studying online and what I have is perfectly fine. I can’t imagine a domestic use that makes superfast BB a “necessity” such that it needs to be taxpayer funded.

    Like all technology, those who “need” it will pay the higher costs for it and by the time the rest of us need it, the costs will have dropped.

  165. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:59 am

    Sancty makes sense.

  166. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:22 pm

    “Sorry I’m late, weather wanking.”

    Impossible. You must be Irish. Wethers are castrated. A Kiwi would know that.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:24 pm

    It’s going to be tough for the Libs to sell this policy. It looks like it’s about 2/3 the cost of the ALP’s and then you have to spend maybe thousands to get the super high speed.

    Some people are likely to think the ALP version is ‘free’

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:35 pm

    Life is never as simple as some folk think …

    Of course, polls showing that most of the public like the NBN helped, especially people in rural areas.

    But anyway, whether it was the polls or Malcolm’s silver tongue – there was Tony Abbott yesterday at a pay TV studio beside a hologram of a footballer as he launched the Coalition’s NBN policy and basked in the wonders of broadband communications as if he invented it. “We believe in a national broadband network and we will deliver a better (one).”

    Well, no it won’t be better, it will be worse – but this is politics, where you get to say anything you like. And it could have been a lot worse, instead of a little bit worse, as it is. All the satellite and fixed wireless parts of the NBN will be retained along with fibre to the premises in new estates. The difference is that the last mile of fibre will be made user pays and otherwise will remain copper.

    One interesting addition yesterday was that state and local governments or private investors could “co-fund” a fibre to the premises rollout to a particular area by paying 50 per cent of the cost. So NBN Co would have to set up partnerships with other organisations that would presumably buy equity in part of the NBN. Complicated.

    Structural separation of Telstra appears to have been compromised, and there are going to be some messy twists and turns along the way as some of the complications are ironed out, but it’s an NBN nevertheless and the NBN Co will remain intact (minus Mike Quigley presumably).

    Last August I wrote that the Coalition’s NBN policy was “madness” and would have to be dumped, mainly because a new deal would have to be negotiated with Telstra against the background of an election promise. Telstra, I believed, would have the Abbott government over a barrel.

    Turnbull has dealt with that problem – he hopes – by allowing Telstra to continue to operate its hybrid fibre-coaxial cable (HFC) network in competition with the NBN, as foreshadowed in Business Spectator last week (Coalition to end the NBN monopoly, April 2).

    But it’s messy. The idea is that Telstra will rent/sell the copper necessary for the proposed fibre to the node network for the same price as it’s currently getting to transfer customers to NBN Co, so the payments to Telstra won’t have to change.

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:36 pm

    People must have really wondered why the fk they wanted to string a wire across Australia from Adelaide to Darwin … too …

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:40 pm

    Oh and BTW, James/egg … have you ever heard of telecommuting and all those small businesses run from home … the NBN isn’t about TODAY and limited creative ability … it’s about setting up a national comms sytem for your grandchildren’s children …

    I bet if someone did a survey most LibNit whingers would have need glasses when they were young … ’cause they certainly have limited vision when they grow up … 😆

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:46 pm

    And speaking of big fat LIES … how’s this beauty …

    Earlier today, Tony Abbott denied that internet speeds would be slower under the coalition’s plan than under Labor’s more expensive plan.

    “The short answer is ‘no’,” he told the Australian Radio Network in Melbourne.

    “90 per cent of households will get 50 to 100 megabit downloads and they will get it for one third of the cost of Labor’s broadband.”

    The man’s a Fuckwit™ … probably wears slip on shoes … laces would be too high tech for him!

  172. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:51 pm

    When I built a small business at home and needed infrastructure, I paid for it, just like any person who puts his/her, (actually not “her”) nuts on the line does. That what you do when you set up a business. I prepared a budget and nominated my capital costs and ongoing expenses. When my savings were enough to meet my capital costs, and my projected revenues were enough to meet my expenses, I knew I was pretty close to being ready to start up.

    At no point did I ask for or expect the Government to meet those expenses, although I think I got some sort of tax benefit for most of them.

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:57 pm

    When was the last time you wrote a letter to friend or relative and posted it?

    When was the last time you watched a black and white film?

    When was the last time you turned your mobile phone off for a week?

    In 1992, I suggested to JH that every manager should have a computer on their desk … reply … hahahah, why?? I also predicted that the factories would be run using computer stations on the shop floor … same reaction.

    BTW, I still have my Super 8 film camera and projector … I prefer my HDD video camera tho … 😆

    The world is full of technophobes …

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:00 pm

    Thanks for the “lesson”, James … 🙄

  175. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:04 pm

    1. Last week. I walked to the Post Office.
    2. Last week. But I have 2 colour televisions which I paid for (well, I won one of them in a raffle).
    3. Never. But I am now on I think my 5th mobile telephone all of which I’ve paid for, as well as the wireless access that comes with it.
    4. Well aren’t you just Nostradamus.
    5. Great. You’re also Steptoe or his son.
    6. That may be, but it’s of no relevance when discussing whether the state should pay for gamers and porn addicts to indulge themselves in their loungerooms.

  176. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:05 pm

    Thanks for the “lesson”, James …

    Are you of all people seriously objecting to the inferred paternalism in my contribution?

  177. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:07 pm

    It is interesting that the anti-nbn cranks defend the idiotic `utility` supply ideas of Mr-Rabbit. When new areas are developed, buildings automatically get water, gas, phone sewer and electric connection points put on the `lot` or connected to the building, so the need to repeatedly dig up the road or bring in cranes. For some retarded reason the nbn `utility`connection point should not be installed, and each lot or building owner should dig up a chunk of the road or bring in a crane and crew to get access to the `node`.

  178. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:16 pm

    sorry folks,
    When new areas are developed, buildERS must automatically get water, gas, phone sewer and electric connection points put on the `lot` or connected to the building, so the need is NOT to repeatedly dig up the road or bring in cranes.

  179. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:27 pm

    Ah, Joe, when new areas are developed with LNP NBN, they’ll be getting fibre BB to the premises too.

  180. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:40 pm

    but existing towns and suburbs should be repeatedly dug up or cranes called in.?

  181. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 1:50 pm

    Well no, Joe. I’m not sure if you know this but once the first FO cable is laid, it will be in a duct to which the home will only need to connect. There won’t be in any circumstances a separate FO cable from each premises to the node.

  182. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:04 pm

    I understand that. The duct is located under the road, which will need to have hole chopped into it so the `techs` can do jointing. If the building being connected is on the `other` side of the street, then the road will be closed, traffic diverted away from your business, while trenching is cut across the road, the sub-section of FO installed, trench then backfilled, then road patched. In some areas FO will be over-head, crane called in for each connection.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:26 pm

    o37, just wasting yer time … someone people prefer to live in the 1950’s (’cause they weren’t there I supose?)

    I guess most voters won’t know the difference between 25Mbps an 100Mbps … they just see the cheaper price and two years less … and its funny ’cause the ones arcing up generally shop at DJ’s and Myers … you know … same product twice the price … amazing …

    Ah, Joe, when new areas are developed with LNP NBN, they’ll be getting fibre BB to the premises too.

    Discrimination never was a problem with Liberals …

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:28 pm

    The duct is located under the road

    Usually under the footpath … my Telstra cable is … alongside the power cables

  185. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:35 pm

    Yeah, you`re probably correct TB. But I really do think the `bags` should be shown that the Mr-Rabbit is NOT representing Aussie-Biz, but just Rupert. Mr-Rabbits nbn-deal is shit from the `tech` end and also shit from the `Aussie-Biz` end too.
    .
    BTW where has Armchair got to lately.? on holiday.?

  186. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:53 pm

    It’s not about living in the 50s, it’s about what is reasonable for the taxpayer to fund in terms of infrastructure.

    The possibilities for funding are infinite. The funding itself isn’t. And if it follows the line of cables under the footpath, there’s no digging up at all.

  187. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:54 pm

    ” Usually under the footpath”
    .
    Correct too. I have seen several layouts, all different. I think it depends on if the `zone` is residential or commercial/industrial and maybe States or Shires/Counties have something to do with it. Some areas electric is underground, older areas overhead and Telecom seemed to follow that. Some places have the sewer under a footpath with the gas-line under the other footpath. Some places have the main sewer running underneath the back-fence.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:57 pm

    There won’t be in any circumstances a separate FO cable from each premises to the node.

    But if one only person in a street wants to connect to the node in 2019 that will need an FO cable … do the rest of the street get it for free in 2020 if it runs past their home?

    The Libs “plan” is to the node, not the street … even b/band cable is run past homes …

    … ADSL is copper telephone line – past homes … that need constant maintenance …

    … FO is glass and won’t corrode like copper (which is replaced by alloy these days) and is far easier to maintain …

    …. as well as being futuresafe for bandwidth (as the population increase) and speed … FO 100Mbps is just a beginning …

    … 25Mbps on copper has limits that will be exposed as time goes by and may even cost the nation MORE than the proposed $14 billion “saved” … in wear and corrosion that have to be diagnosed,located and repaired … and commercial and domestic loss as old “copper” breaks down …

    False economy … like manufacturing a new car and fitting retreaded tyres …

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:07 pm

    It’s not about living in the 50s, it’s about what is reasonable for the taxpayer to fund in terms of infrastructure.

    Exactly, and this taxpayer says it is …

    This taxpayer says build the best we can NOW …

    … not patch it up piecemeal over the years … as we play catch up with our trading partners and lose business to competitors …

    … or can’t keep up with technology not even invented nor dreamed of yet, so that all our taxpayers enjoy up to the minute information and communication opportunities …

    So that our children and grandchidren have the world at thier fingertips (not just the ones that can afford to connect via FO) …

    Example

    The laser was invented (research cost a few bob BTW) and no-one knew what they could do with it … it was just … invented …

    Lasers are in every corner of our world and certainly revolutionised data storage, quality control and air safety … if nothing else …

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:11 pm

    Wow a recent post took me to one of TB’s great predictions

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/coalition-in-crisis-as-case-against-peter-slipper-crumbles/#comment-13709

    Read this yesterday evening … this is going to BLOW UP next year and rightly so …

    As a mentioned when, Judge Rares, brought down his findings … a century ago these buggers would be in jail awaiting trial … two centuries ago they’d be tortured … three centuries ago they’d be hanged …

    There is surely evidence of conspiracy (a criminal offence) by most if not all the people mentioned … a serious enough crime … but then the breaches of Crimes Act, 1914, and Criminal Code, 1995, mentioned in the letter to the AFP will only compound the Liberal National Party’s, conspiracy to bring down a legitimate government of Australia … ”

    I am not sure if your judgement is as good as it used to be.

  191. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:15 pm

    ” And if it follows the line of cables under the footpath, there’s no digging up at all.”

    Snacy, the `node` is NOT outside your business or house. The `node` you will be using is a `box` inside your local telephone exchange. That is where Mr-Rabbit will FO to. If your neighbor want `full-throttle` nbn, ie FO, then `works` will need to be restarted in your area. The likely-hood of `no-digging` as you claim will be rare. Water always seems to get into these underground ducts, and depending on age and other factors, there will be some digging. Any flooding in your area, that often fills up ducts.?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:21 pm

    False economy … like manufacturing a new car and fitting retreaded tyres …

    Actually its like fitting a new car with second hand tyres …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am not sure if your judgement is as good as it used to be.

    What year is this, Kneel?

  193. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:24 pm

    Do you know anything about copper, TB? Such that you can compare its corrosive qualities with the various fibreglass deficiencies?

  194. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:29 pm

    Snacty, do you know `anything` about `any` type of technology or engineering.? You sound like you don`t. Do yourself a favor, so you won`t sound as silly, and go google carbonaro
    .
    then google blue diamond

  195. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:37 pm

    Carbonaro gives me a bunch of people whose surnames are Carbonaro and their LinkedIn pages. Blue Diamond gives me some swank penthouse bar and a bunch of horse racing references.

    But I do know, from my own experience, that copper is incredibly resilient to corrosion and that fibreglass can be incredibly brittle when handled.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:40 pm

    Such that you can compare its corrosive qualities with the various fibreglass deficiencies?

    Well I’d say so … didn’t I once post here that I spent 16 years in the automotive trade? Six of those as a mechanic and six at the end as a service engineer/zone service manager (looking after 36 dealerships) …

    I can assure tha fibre optics (and fibreglass they are a bit different) won’t corrode … copper will … and another titbit of information fibre optics doesn’t carry electricity …

    These are fun …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/twitterati-dismiss-oppositions-nbn-policy-with-witty-memes/story-e6frfro0-1226617308069

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:42 pm

    One thing that will be interesting is the IR approach under a coalition NBN.

    Under Howard there was a government purchasing policy that prevented bidders for construction from having restrictive union agreements. Many contractors now have some of these types of restrictive union agreements to perform the NBN work. Some of the current contractors may disqualify themselves. That would be quite funny.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:47 pm

    … incredibly resilient to corrosion and that fibreglass can be incredibly brittle when handled.

    FMD Here we go again …

    An optical fiber (or optical fibre) is a flexible, transparent fiber made of glass (silica) or plastic …

    There are many reasons why a phone line can go faulty, especially with the degrading quality of the outdated Australian copper network infrastructure. The older the property is, the worse the situation is likely to be, especially if a high standard of workmanship was not performed when it was first installed. This often sets a premise for future technicians and contractors to cut corners or simply make it impossible for them to uphold the cabling standards set by the ACMA (Australian Communications & Media Authority).

    If they made car radiators out of glass fibre and they cost 25% more than copper or brass … I know which would be better … for corrosion … and last longer …

  199. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:49 pm

    How do they protect the fibre from groundwater, TB?

  200. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:51 pm

    …..and could you link your quotes please? Otherwise I might wonder if you’re being selective.

  201. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:04 pm

    Well Labor gets my vote. Broadband is free under labor but you have to pay $5,000 if you vote for the Coalition.

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:16 pm

    How do they protect the fibre from groundwater, TB?

    Exactly the same way you do with your beer bottles, James …

    (clue fibre optics is non corrosive … copper is … )

    Here ya go …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_fiber

    http://www.telephonetechnicians.com.au/common-problems-with-phone-lines

  203. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:18 pm

    sorry snacty, here is a pretty tech heavy `diamond-semiconductor` link
    http://www.geek.com/chips/81ghz-diamond-semiconductor-created-551147/
    Long story short, diamond semiconductors are going to replace silicon, they have both N-type and p-type, that means `transistor` and integrated circuits are just transistors and diodes already `fixed` into a circuit.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:18 pm

    Well Labor gets my vote.

    You’d vote against it until you were told to vote ALP by the Young Libs … cut yer nose off to spite your face … (an olde Englishe saying – not meant to actually do it 🙄 )

  205. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:49 pm

    “fitting a new car with second hand tyres”
    .
    The pc is like a pump and the FO or copper is like the water pipe.
    .
    When pc was first made it was a 1-Lpm (litre-per-minute) pump and the copper is like a 20-Lpm pipe. With pc power increasing we now have 80-Lpm pumps only getting 1/4 of the benefit from the old 20-Lpm pipe.
    .
    FO to user will give us 5000-Lpm pipes, allowing us to get bigger pumps as they become available or invented.
    .
    The Torie-deal will leave us with a pipe system with 20-Lpm bottlenecks, that will definitely have to be removed somewhere in the future. Wifi should be considered a 40-Lpm pipe.
    .
    Once the diamond semiconductors kick off, our pumps are going to get much, much bigger.

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:56 pm

    Interesting TB:

    “The phrase is known to have been used in the 12th century. It may be associated with the numerous legends of pious women disfiguring themselves in order to protect their virginity. These cases include Saint Eusebia, Saint Ebba, Saint Oda of Hainault and Saint Margaret of Hungary.

    The most famous of these cases was that of Æbbe the Younger, the Mother Superior of the monastery of Coldingham. In 867 AD, Viking pirates from Zealand and Uppsala landed in Scotland. When news of the raid reached Saint Ebba, she gathered her nuns together and urged them to disfigure themselves, so that they might be unappealing to the Vikings. In this way, they hoped to protect their chastity. She demonstrated this by cutting off her nose and upper lip, and the nuns proceeded to do the same. The Viking raiders were so disgusted that they burned the entire building to the ground.”

  207. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 4:56 pm

    From your link, TB…..

    Modern cables come in a wide variety of sheathings and armor, designed for applications such as direct burial in trenches, high voltage isolation, dual use as power lines,[53][not in citation given] installation in conduit, lashing to aerial telephone poles, submarine installation, and insertion in paved streets.

    What is this sheath made of?

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 5:06 pm

    Very interesting, sb … I like that nstuff, gotta be careful using those phrases around the younger generations …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What is this sheath made of?

    How the FK would I know! Condoms? Research it … 😯

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    I haven’t finished all of this article yet but thought it interesting enough to include in this “debate” …

    http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2013/04/coalition-nbn-policy-six-things-to-think-about/

    Busy using Offliberty for some classical music … cajun blues next …

  209. Dan permalink
    April 10, 2013 5:10 pm

    Abbotts NBN is expensive and uses copper. Why would people vote for old and expensive internet.

  210. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 5:20 pm

    ‘ What is this sheath made of? ‘
    poly vinyl ?
    different kinds c,u _ basically a plastic, polymer

  211. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 5:23 pm

    ‘ Why would people vote for old and expensive”
    .
    l`ve wondered the same about Bronny Bishop me`self Dan.

  212. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 5:50 pm

    It’s copper.

  213. Dan permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:10 pm

    I don’t know. Bishop should retire to. Why should we spend so much on the old wsystem.

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:13 pm

    It’s copper.

    … of course it is …

    Now give me your details and link, James … and BTW if they sheathed the optic fibre in copper … which they don’t ’cause it costs so much they use alloy these days … the copper would eventually corrode BUT the optic fibre (glass/plastic) wouldn’t …

    If you could coat your boat’s bum with glass (not fibreglass) or copper which would you choose?

    Anyway your point is?

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:15 pm

    Ooops .. I forgot our friends from the right don’t get satire, sarcasm, cynicism or intellectual humour of most kinds …

    … of course it is … *sarc alert …

  216. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:34 pm

    Conroys plan saddles future generations with an inbuilt astronomical high cost fixed line service and it assumes technology will not progress past fibre optics yet is also assumes applications will be developed to use the damn thing INTO HOMES not just businesses.

    Currently the only thing I can see a home could use 100mps+ for is to download a 4K movie IF they have a 4K TV set ($25,000 pet set). Otherwise current movies to homes just need a bit more speed but not 100mps

    Lord knows how much it will cost in the end as NBN Co seemingly have a blank cheque and it was never subjected to proper scrutiny

    Turnbulls is lower cost and assumes technologies will continue to develop with demand

    Neither plan is perfect but Turnbull’s is less potentially financially catastrophic by a mile

  217. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:48 pm

    FFS, here we are back to the start with the same repetitive Torie-bag talking points that totally ignore all previous discussion. And l`m meant to be the boring and tiresome one coz l highlight this repetitive stupidity by using Torie-bag. (Whatever Jock Shock.)

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:56 pm

    Like I said the world is full of technophobes …

    Remember earlier I said I came from the West Riding of Yorkshire (not my fault I lived in the wrong country for 12 years – OK!) … but the village I lived in (not born in) before I emigrated was called Marsden (on the Moors) … I know all about Luddites and the their history … while I understand their stand then … it doesn’t gel now in MODERN Australia …

    Wally, you will lose NOTHING … why argue against something that will bring the future to your country … and millions of people AFTER your dead!

    And can you see the contradiction is these paragraphs …

    Conroys plan saddles future generations with an inbuilt astronomical high cost fixed line service and it assumes technology will not progress past fibre optics yet is also assumes applications will be developed to use the damn thing INTO HOMES not just businesses. .

    And of course you know better with all your technical expertise … wireless I suppose …?

    Currently the only thing I can see a home could use 100mps+ for is to download a 4K movie IF they have a 4K TV set ($25,000 pet set). Otherwise current movies to homes just need a bit more speed but not 100mps

    What’s a fkn 4K movie? and what TV costs 25 grand?

    I assume you mean 100Mbps … but bandwidth improves the quality of the movie if you want to just look at that …

    Home diagnosis is an area that is seriously being looked at for health issues by medical services … instead of transporting clients to hospitals, specialist can monitor, diagnose and discuss issues with them at home … any idea how many baby boomers are about to need health care AT HOME …?

    Do it now do it properly … and just because YOU can’t thimk (sic) of what may happen in the future (nor can I BTW) doesn’t mean MAGIC won’t … when I was a child TV was a green screen 6″ x 6″ with a BBC logo on it … or an hour a day

    Look at what I can do now … 😯

  219. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2013 6:58 pm

    No due diligence on NBN or AGW …. let the mocking begin.

  220. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:08 pm

    I’d coat my boat’s bum with copper actually. Sadly the greenies got it banned.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:08 pm

    FFS, here we are back to the start with the same repetitive Torie-bag talking

    Got it in one … 073

    One thing I’ve noticed over the last seven years is that even when you present a logical argument the tories never concede (Australian liberals are really Conservatives BTW – Menzies and all that)… no quarter no mercy … its really odd … no apologies, no thank yous* (for info) … just yer rong yer rong yer rong … I don’t know why but yer rong …

    * exception is, sb …

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:09 pm

    Sadly the greenies got it banned.

    And why was that oh tecchy one?

  223. April 10, 2013 7:10 pm

    The times may change, but the (s)tory remains the same…

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:10 pm

    No due diligence on NBN or AGW

    Are we talking Liberal “policies” here, egg … we’ve had one BACKFLIP!

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:12 pm

    The times may change, but the (s)tory remains the same…

    Aint that right, sunshine!

    It really becomes boring arguing tech fact against political BS … some folk just do not get it!

  226. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:43 pm

    Tech fact……. BWAHAHAHA!!!!

  227. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:57 pm

    Tech fact _ BWAHAHAHA
    .
    keep laughin torie-fool, that just shows you are happy to also give any new diamond semiconductor business and jobs to China or India, as we won`t have the network to develop and test the semiconductors on,

  228. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:02 pm

    Does the network need to be attached to every house?

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:06 pm

    Tech fact……. BWAHAHAHA!!!!

    Well that’s a logical and adult reply to my post …

    Does the network need to be attached to every house?

    It won’t, really, BUT it will go PAST every house … it still has to be connected … guess waht my internet provider has told me that I will be connected – for FREE …

    BTW did you complain about the baby bonus?

  230. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:21 pm

    Yes I did. And that question was directed at 730 and his “blue diamond” stuff.

  231. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:41 pm

    What makes you think a `utility` should not be installed properly ONCE and not continually messed about with indefinitely for some idiotic political ideal. Do the damn job once, and be done with it.

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:54 pm

    Do the damn job once, and be done with it.

    I think we’ve said that a number of time now …

    I’m glad you can afford to install from node to your home, James … many can’t, they’ll have to call an ambulance if something serious occurs … you’ll be able contact the hospital directly and with diagnostic equipment with the ambulance they will be a ble to immediately diagnose what’s up …

    Pity your fellow Australians on fixed and low incomes … who may suffer … very Christian …

    ITS NOT ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY!

  233. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:49 pm

    “What’s a fkn 4K movie? and what TV costs 25 grand?”

    LOL

    I rest my case

  234. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:53 pm

    “It won’t, really, BUT it will go PAST every house … it still has to be connected ”

    Are you sure about that.

    Otherwise a lot of people are going to be without phones until they pick a provider and it gets connected.

  235. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:54 pm

    Oh fuck off, TB. Seriously. Ambulances? Diagnostics on the home wifi ya reckon?

    They call that jumping the shark.

    It’s free access to fast porn and gaming.

  236. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:56 pm

    Porn at 4k resolution though

    LOL

  237. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:03 pm

    We will end up with cities divided . Some parts with the NBN some parts using something else that gets them the same result or they can pay for if

    All of Sydney is connected to electricity so people can heat and cook.
    Only some is connected to Gas and Electricity.

    I don’t see that as such a major talking point. After all its much better to cook with Gas.

    But being able to wank to ultra high resolution is apparently very important to the pro NBNers.

  238. outlander permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:28 pm

    Once real time video is available pay TV is toast.
    Murdock for example can see the writting on the wall and has got out of pay TV in NZ. Everyone watches downloaded TV and TV ratings are dropping cause everones on the net. Turnbull’s plan to go the cheap option seems odd cause he’s well versed in the internet and media.
    Wireless solutions aren’t gonna be much cop for real time video.
    Yeh, 4G is quick but once it’s conjested or you’ve got poor signal it sucks.
    This means pay TVs model is a little way off being broken.
    Hooray! says Kim Williams that gives us a few extra years to milk Foxtel, thanks for that Malcolm, you’ve saved our ass.

  239. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:34 pm

    “Once real time video is available pay TV is toast.”

    What crap !

    You are talking about a carriage vehicle

    You need to own the content be it live sport or movies.

  240. outlander permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:35 pm

    Things called dream boxes or alien boxes (plus others), have loads of content and a simple user interface. They can stream TV from all over the place. Content providers have little control over web TV. Have you never downloaded a movie? These will put pressure on the likes of pay TV. The main problem for them is the internet it slow and clunky. There maybe some content that will be tightly controlled and not easily available. Most top end TV’s have web TV/USB standard now, there isn’t much good (legal) content yet but it’s coming. Why do you think pay TV is forced to “fast track” content, everyones on the net, it’s not cause they are nice people.
    Once S/D H/D real time video is available pay TV as we know it is toast.

  241. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 12:36 am

    This artical is mainly about Murdock FTA TV that is being retransmitted, pay TV is next.
    Hackers everywhere are already doing it, open your eyes.
    It will be like gold cards all over again.
    Fast reliable internet will make it possible.
    Run by Kim.com based in North Korea?

    From http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/murdoch-diller-showdown-threatens-to-make-fox-cable-only-113041000037_1.html

  242. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 5:16 am

    ” A DOG toy called “Droolia Julia” with red hair and oversized breasts being sold in Adelaide shows we still can’t deal with female leaders, feminist and author Leslie Cannold says.

    The toy, a caricature of Prime Minister Julia Gillard, is being sold by Stepney store P & K Pets as a “momento” (sic) of Australia’s first female PM. “
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/pets-doll-droolia-julia-being-sold-in-adelaide/story-fncz7kyc-1226616272712
    .
    coffee shops all over the place will go into meltdown

  243. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:01 am

    ” I’d coat my boat’s bum with copper actually. Sadly the greenies got it banned.”
    .
    You would be better off coating your own bum with copper and removing the tinfoil hat.

  244. el gordo permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:56 am

    The big talking point now is the very fast train and the greens want to raid super…hmmm.

    The cost to build the VFT Canberra/Sydney is supposedly $20 billion, but I reckon the Chinese engineers could do it for half that.

  245. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:57 am

    “Hackers everywhere are already doing it, open your eyes.”

    Outlander obviously you dont get away from your keyboard much.

    The dominant programs on Pay TV and FTV are sport programs. Thats why TEN is f***ed.
    Everything else on PayTV is news content or reruns.

    As far as your article is concerned we’ll wait and see the court case first. I’d be surprised if the court allows piracy of content via public airwaves and anyway Congress would probably just twig the copyright laws anyway.

    Afterall if production companies have no income then there will be nothing to produce then nothing to broadcast.

    As usual Lefties like you think everything should come for free.

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:00 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/thatcher-never-hid-in-gillards-haven/story-fnahw9xv-1226617688471

    Gillard’s answer revealed she considered the reasons for her unpopularity, and knew exactly where to pin the blame: not on herself, but on us.
    She has concluded her standing has nothing to do with competence or trust or devotion to principles or character and everything to do with her sex.
    ————–
    India, Sri Lanka, Israel, The Philippines, Pakistan and Malta, to name but a few, have also been led by women, and you can’t say their societies were more egalitarian than ours, or more progressive than ours.
    None of them complained they were the victims of sexism and misogyny, even if they might have been justified given the nature of some of the societies over which they presided.
    ————-
    Gillard likes to talk tough, and there the similarity with Thatcher ends, because when it gets really tough, Gillard ends up hiding behind her own petticoat.

    That seems a pretty fair assessment of Gillard. She never accepts responsibility for her actions and deception, there is always an excuse, blame and spin.

    Finally, she blames the public for her lack of support. She’s no leader, just a hack.

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:24 am

    “Have you never downloaded a movie? “

    Do it while you can! Soon all your torrent are belong to Conroy.

    Once NBN Co controls all access to the internet Conroy’s filter will ensure that only expensive movies can be downloaded. Government control of NBN CO will give Underpants Conroy the ability to watch everything you do online. And you will pay massively for the privilege.

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:31 am

    If Gillard had told the Greens “This Lady’s not for turning” instead of doing a u-turn on her promises people might have some respect for her now. They might even think that Gillard has some principles other than “whatever it takes”. Time to send the nag to the knackery.

  249. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:36 am

    “………Gillard likes to talk tough, and there the similarity with Thatcher ends,………..”

    Oh…………I dunno………they both have/had reddish hair

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:38 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/why-the-coalitions-nbn-plan-makes-sense-20130410-2hkx2.html

    Building a fibre-to-the-premises network to 12 million discrete locations in a country the size of Australia is a really difficult, expensive and slow undertaking.

    The hardest part of building such a network is the last mile.

    The beauty of Malcolm Turnbull’s solution is that it pushes fibre out closer to the customer, within hundreds of metres in some cases, helping delivering higher speeds but at a much lower labour and cost requirement because it uses the existing copper in the street.

    It seems not all experts are wedded to the hugely expensive ALP version of NBN.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:09 am

    Oh fuck off, TB. Seriously. Ambulances? Diagnostics on the home wifi ya reckon?

    How far are you from a hospital? And how long before an ambulance can get there?

    BTW, were not talking about WiFi we’re discussing high speed optical fibre to the home … then you can connect your WiFi …

    You have a family now surely you can see the benefits with an emergency in the early morning … early diagnosis is the secret to effective medical treatment and/or first aid …

    These are just some of examples of possibilities being discussed by universities … the Poms have systems up and running …

    http://broadband.about.com/od/medical/a/Broadband-Spotlight-Telemedicine.htm

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=home%20medical%20diagnostics%20using%20broadband&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dbcde.gov.au%2F__data%2Fassets%2Fpdf_file%2F0009%2F145584%2FPotential-telehealth-benefits-of-high-speed-broadband.pdf&ei=hftlUbWgNY6ekQX37oD4BA&usg=AFQjCNEawkczsykBnxtPsuf8BaTkDHwwEw&bvm=bv.45107431,d.dGI&cad=rjt

    http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&gs_rn=8&gs_ri=psy-ab&pq=25000%20tv%20sony&cp=13&gs_id=82&xhr=t&q=Home%20medical%20diagnostics%20using%20broadband&es_nrs=true&pf=p&newwindow=1&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Home+medical+diagnostics+using+broadband&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45107431,d.dGI&fp=d3e18dbbdf82480d&biw=1628&bih=940

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks for the link, Wally, 🙄

    http://hometheater.about.com/od/hometheaterglossary/g/4k-Resolution.htm

    For those who, like me, refer to the next gen TV as Ultra HD … it was originally designated 4K (and I didn’t know that) … and Sony has developed an 84″ version – that would probably cost $33,000 here … very mainstream …

    http://www.cnet.com.au/sony-84-inch-4k-tv-to-cost-us25000-339341459.htm

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And this explains a lot … about the logic and level of debate …

    Wally, Currently the only thing I can see a home could use 100mps+ for is to download a 4K movie …

    James, It’s free access to fast porn and gaming.

    splatterbum Do it while you can! Soon all your torrent are belong to Conroy.

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:15 am

    It seems not all experts are wedded to the hugely expensive ALP version of NBN.

    But the essence of the argument is this!

    The hardest part of building such a network is the last mile.

    Typical … don’t do the hard stuff – just pretend to …

    Then I read the comments … I think you should to … 🙄

  253. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:42 am

    You`re right TB, some of the comments are great, like this,
    Imagine this bunch of clowns planning the Snowy River Project….

    “We can deliver the project at half the cost and quicker. We propose we put a tap on the river bed. If you then want the water to run down to a hydro-power station, you can run your own pipes, with your own power station….”

    And, this is the solution Liberal apologists think is the FUTURE for our nation? You then, are just as stupid as Abbott.
    Commenter__ TommyP __ April 10, 2013, 2:51PM __ #stoopid_bags
    .
    but l did notice yomm left out
    The Coalition’s alternative broadband network is under siege as opponents insist the speed promised in the government’s plan is worth the extra money and the wait.
    which was under the first photo, an those `opponents` they talk about, isthe rest of the telco/tech industry that aint a shill

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:46 am

    No, they just aren’t running cable along every street in the country, which was always a mammoth exercise.

    The ALP version of NBN is behind schedule, over budget, low take up. They’ve structured the rollout so that the work strongly ramps up after Sept. All the problems will get worse, not better.

  255. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:49 am

    I love all the false analogies being put about by the barrackers.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:05 am

    This is what we get from the barrackers about NBN-
    *We really need it
    *Don’t talk about cost because we really need it

    There is now no doubt that NBN is over budget, behind schedule.

    Is it still ‘really needed’ at $60br, or $70bn…?

    Infrastructure isn’t worthy any price without restriction.

  257. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:16 am

    the barrackers.
    speaking of barrackers, one of neighbors, a Torie, who has two teenage kids told me about his political discussion with his kids, and how they are going to vote in sep-14. He usually votes Liberal, but is finding it harder to find reasons to stick with them. He is not a web-user but his kids are. When he asked his kids what they thought of Abbott, his kids told him `fool` and `idiot`. When asked why the daughter said we need to show you stuff on the internet, and you guessed it, the kids know a shit load more about the `tech` stuff than the dad. Between the son and the daughter, they convinced `him` to look harder at Abbott and find somebody better to vote for. The stuff the kids showed my neighbor was on the internet, nbn and Liberal ignorance and arrogance toward the nations technology and future. Now, if Abbott can`t convince the kids, but the kids can convince the parents, what makes think Abbott will win in sep-14, and how are they going to maintain their own party.?

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:22 am

    Gets harder when you have to deal with policies not personality and profile destruction …

  259. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:42 am

    2DT In my 20 years in Radio Broadcasting and 13 years in TV and Radio Communications I have never been away from my keyboard.
    I don’t suport the hacking of pay TV.
    However my customers are always showing me cool gadgets that circumvent copy write…… It’s called market forces, and in my humble opinion it’s getting much worse. The Chinese have been streaming Chinese pay TV in Sydney until they were stopped last year.
    I bet those Chinese people would love high speed NBN. Since there is no internet filtering and governments can’t keep up with technology.
    For your information the ethnic TV market in Australia is trending towards web TV, they don’t care were it comes from as long as their favorite shows are on, the restriction is the slow clunky internet.
    Australia is going to be 10 years behind the developed world again.
    Fax machines and satellite TV are two classic examples of how backwards we are in Australia and slow to adopt the technology.

  260. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:52 am

    BWAHAHAHAHA………..

    33 years in media apparently at the coal face but can’t distinguish between copywrite and copyright. Hint: You “write” copy(verb) and you have a “copyright” (noun).

    Is your name Adrian?

  261. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:55 am

    Legal content is not a problem `outlander`, ages ago l heard youtube has enough content to run a network for years, (12 years l think), then there is facebook, wordpress and the rest. Sick of my abc, then go to Al-Jazeera-english, pbs or bbc1,2,3,4. The problem is definitely the `delivery`.

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 12:20 pm

    Isn’t the Libs policy quite a lot like the one first proposed by the ALP in 2007?

    So why is it being criticised now, given that it was so vociferously supported then?

  263. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 12:28 pm

    Isn’t the Libs policy quite
    policy on what.? yomm.?

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 12:41 pm

    “I’m thinking High Speed Rail (HSR) will be top of the Coalition election plank”

    Albanese is just talking up $114bn for Melbourne to Brisbane high-speed rail. That is insane. It is not visionary so much as delusional. This government sure knows how to spend!

  265. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 12:54 pm

    Ol’Sancty, I’m a tech, who can’t spell.
    I have sucessfully applied for a FM radio broadcast licence have you?
    (and met fit and proper person as it was in the old days)
    Built a radio station, and kept it on air most of that 20 years.
    I’ve signed more Apra and Amcos agreements than you have.
    I’ve even spent a bit of time on air, I’m not a media magnate.
    Now I run a sucessful business in radio communications and TV.
    I have never found spelling to be a major impediment.

    But, we still need fast internet, to watch streamed TV.
    People want variety, and to be able to do it wright/right/rite now.

  266. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:01 pm

    Nothing wrong with your spelling. It’s the distinction between two quite separate words that has me wondering.

  267. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:23 pm

    Having left school at 16 (I was caned on my last day)
    I took up an apprenticeship, having heard FM radio in the city I was determined to have my own radio station. By age 24 I acheived this goal.
    I’m guessing during this period of your life you were at uni learning how to spell and criticize the distinction of nouns and verbs.

    And we need fast internet so porn addicts to indulge themselves in their loungerooms in H/D as you so eloquently put it.

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:28 pm

    Outlander is James Packer.

  269. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:32 pm

    “But, we still need fast internet, to watch streamed TV.”

    And that is exactly what is wrong with the NBN proposal.

    Streamed fucking TV!!??? What kind of fuck-knuckle country, deeply in debt and looking at deficits for years to come, thinks it is a good idea to spend tens of billions of dollars to watch streamed TV? FMD!!! Would someone please jam a shotgun up my arse and let me have both barrels – I just want to get out of this depraved madhouse.

  270. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:34 pm

    high speed rail
    l`ve heard so much crap over the years on the `rail` and public transport theme that l reckon neither side of the duopoly can be believed. In years gone by, the two major parties would negotiate to a middle ground that would give commitment to the `project` no matter how many times the governments changed. Nowadays, all the pollies are interested in is one-up-manship and other political games, which makes big, long-term projects near impossible to get under-way. Look at the stupid games being run by the LibNits and Limited-News over the nbn, and how willing the foolish are to believe them.

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:38 pm

    Yeah! I want to spend $60bn+ on more TV options.

    What’s the problem? We need more TV shows, particularly the ‘reality’ ones.

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:42 pm

    And how good is Albo! He’s grabbed headlines by saying he’s had a BRAINFART

    Apparently he’s thinking about something to do with rail, and if he gets started right now, it will be finished a decade or 2 after he’ll have died of old age.

  273. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:53 pm

    Scorched earth.

  274. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 1:59 pm

    Yes, the same fuck-knuckle country that wanted pay TV, and fax machine.
    High speed rail, is just another example of how far behind the rest of the world we are. Having travelled through europe on most of the high speed railway networks, it’s quite something, much better than planes and airports. They take you to the centre of the city, no more cabbing it from the airport.
    Ahhh first class travel on ICE/Thalis/TGV/Eurostar sipping champagne at 300Kms/hour…..I could do it full time, and second class isn’t bad either. I’m not James Packer but I have spoilt myself once or twice.

  275. April 11, 2013 2:26 pm

    I did the first class train trip on Thalis from Paris to Amsterdam…

    It’s a great way to travel – no hanging around at airports and all that nonsense.

    It makes a lot of sense and as outlander says you go straight from city centre to city centre.

  276. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 2:28 pm

    “Yes, the same fuck-knuckle country that wanted pay TV, and fax machine.”

    And how many billions did pay TV and fax machines cost the public purse?

  277. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 2:48 pm

    “It makes a lot of sense and as outlander says you go straight from city centre to city centre.”

    Does it make $114bn of sense? There is a bit more to see along the way in Europe and a massively larger population. Shorter journeys, more destinations and many more passengers makes more sense.

  278. IP Address permalink
    April 11, 2013 2:52 pm

    High-speed rail is a nice way of getting around Europe, with all the benefits mentioned above. We should always say a silent thank you to the European taxpayer when travelling this way. After all, it is she who is paying most of the cost o our ticket. High-speed rail is not commercially viable and the Australian government should not be building one just so the latte leftists who spend their winters in rural France can have a more ‘civilised’ way of getting to Canberra.

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 2:56 pm

    $114,000,000,000 is quite a lot of money.

    You’d probably buy about 1,200 new Boeing 737 jets for that price- just to provide some perspective about transport costs.

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:13 pm

    “$114,000,000,000 is quite a lot of money.

    It is also a shame that some consultancy firm got paid $20M to produce the report. How do i get into the consultancy business??

    Anyway it doesn’t matter. This $20M taxpayer funded report will stimulate the economy and we will just borrow more money if we need more stimulus.

  281. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:23 pm

    I love how we are always comparing ourselves to South Korea, Japan, or a Europe that would fit a couple of times into one of our states when it comes to infrastructure.

    Why do we need high speed rail when we’ll already be able to hologram ourselves to places with our FTTP Broadband?

    Far more sensible would be a decent sort of regional rail link, especially in Victoria using my own experience, where people can actually reasonably commute to the City for work.

    What possible reasonable purpose could a high speed rail serve that justifies $114 billion?

  282. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:29 pm

    Pay Tv was privately funded but a bank (from memory)picked up the massive debt left by the cockhead who started galaxy. Fax machines were a regulatory issue that was finally approved after years, that didn’t cost much.
    However NBN is public money, and as all investments go, with any luck it will be worth shitloads one day, and then some future government will sell it off. That’s what investments are taking a chance, with the hope that things will work in your favour.
    Haven’t you ever taken fiance on a car/house/holiday.

    And you can stream video of your bottom being splatted by that 12 guage you could call it Madhouse TV.

  283. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:30 pm

    What possible reasonable purpose could a high speed rail serve that justifies $114 billion?”

    It gives a consultancy firm some taxpayer funded work.

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:34 pm

    … especially in Victoria using my own experience

    Yep, fk everybody else’s …

    BTW, sb, I can get my hands on a shotgun quite easily, does it have to be double barrelled?

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:36 pm

    It gives a consultancy firm some taxpayer funded work.

    And what did you claim to be when you popped up on our radar, Kneel … advisor to the Howard government or sumfink … 😯

  286. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:41 pm

    Oh well, lets not do anything, lets not stay on top of the game.
    It’s obviously out of touch with reality to have aspirations.
    When I was nineteen and wanted a radio station, I tore through all the bullshit and nay sayers and just did it. I took me five years, they all said I was an idiot.

  287. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:46 pm

    Yep, fk everybody else’s …

    Sorry, you want us all to pay a bunch more tax so you can have a nice train ride?

    I mentioned Victoria because a stupid Liberal Government who inherited a bankrupt state from a stupid Labor Government shut down much of the regional rail infrastructure. There are many small towns within 100km of Melbourne who are dying for population and there are many young families dying to live somewhere where they can spread out a bit.

    Sorry for not having more rail experience. I took a train from Brisbane to Gladstone once. Fck it was slow. Literally took all day. Get Campbell to build you a faster one.

  288. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 11, 2013 3:48 pm

    Oh well, lets not do anything, lets not stay on top of the game.
    It’s obviously out of touch with reality to have aspirations.
    When I was nineteen and wanted a radio station, I tore through all the bullshit and nay sayers and just did it. I took me five years, they all said I was an idiot.

    Good for you. You obviously identified a need and a customer base willing to pay for it to be fulfilled. Isn’t private enterprise great. Now if we could just ease the tax and industrial relations burden on our private industry we might get some more stuff built around here.

  289. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:06 pm

    ” ease the tax and industrial relations burden on our private industry we might get some more stuff built around here.”
    Wot. Like Telstra did.? Sacked a shitload of workers, privatized and no nbn.

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:07 pm

    Now if we could just ease the tax and industrial relations burden on our private industry

    Jesus Fkn Christ … you lot don’t pay any tax now …

    And those of us who have started and run successful business just get it done instead of whinging about how other people should change the rules so you can be successful …

    What are the bank rates now? For small business and mortgage … credit rates, interest free loans periods … new housing and first home assistance, baby bonus … income tax support for children …

    Ask, Kneel, to compare them to the Hawke Keating years and before … and taxes … and as a small business owner in the 1990’s – how’s about paying tax BEFORE you’ve earnt anything – “estimated” by the government, heard of provisional tax?

    Ease the tax burden? … and ease what IR burden … pay what you like and hire and fire at will … no holidays in year one, a week in year two, three in year four and thereafter … survive on tips … rely on work for health insurance …?

    Go and live in America … ’cause it is slowly crumbling and overwhelmingly populated by the poor and needy …

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:09 pm

    Get Campbell to build you a faster one.

    He’s too busy spending it on his new 43 storey government building … that we didn’t need … apparently his father in law isn’t into trains …

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:13 pm

    ‘you lot don’t pay any tax now

    I pay more in tax than I ever thought I’d earn. It’s annoying to watch the government spend it on installing, then removing ceiling insulation.

  293. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:39 pm

    I pay more in tax than I ever thought I’d earn.
    Lucky you. Too bad it`s not a problem that everybody could have. Instead, many are now having our full-time employment degraded to casual, part-time or labor-hire employment, where they will never be able to `save` a bit of cash for a deposit for their own business, house or even a car in some cases.

  294. el gordo permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:41 pm

    Upto 90% of SMH readers have voted for a VFT, its going to be a political reality. Albo said we should have a public debate and for once I agree with him.

    There will be due diligence on this project and it would be in the government’s interest if they called for expressions of interest to bukd Sydney/Canberra. It could be done for less than $23 billion with the right consortium.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 5:03 pm

    It’s annoying to watch the government spend it on installing, then removing ceiling insulation.

    Its even more annoying watching taxes go down the barrel of a fkn rifle or mortar and being simply blown up by the hand grenade you just learnt to throw!

    Got talking to a young bloke in a shop today … mid twenties and walking cane in his hand … he would be in a wheelchair within four years, he said – his motor skills were slowly getting worse – his face had been rebuilt and he had a titanium “skull” on the left of his face – couldn’t tell … he showed me the two battery packs he wore to keep “the juices and pain killers flowing” … his left leg had been shattered … victim of an IED in Afghanistan …

    Yep, our taxes could be better spent … but I made sure I shook hands and thanked, Ned, as he left the shop …

    And like you, ToM, I’ve always said, I don’t mind paying taxes … its the way the bastards spend them that bothers me …

    But don’t try to convince me that ANY politician or political party is better than the other … thieves, liars, self-centred charlatans the lot of them …

  296. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2013 5:07 pm

    But don’t try to convince me that ANY politician or political party is better than the other”

    But you try and convince us that Labor is better than the Coalition.

  297. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 5:15 pm

    Whenever I’ve wanted something I’ve worked hard and saved, I wasn’t born with sivler cutlery set in my mouth. You have to work hard, two jobs if necessary to get ahead, and make compromises chating on this blog and whinging isn’t going to help.
    I’m glad you pay lots of Tax ToM, someones got to fund all the social welfare.
    I bet your like me….never got a baby bonus, family allowance part a b c d etc, Kiddy going to school money, maternity leave, blah blah.
    I just shut up and pay the tax.

    Then we can move ahead and have high speed internet…and I do agree the train thing is a bit unrealistic, but it doesn’t hurt to plan ahead.
    We don’t have any regional train services in SA at all.
    But, all you folks in the East think it’s all about you, when WA brings in the bacon and SA is next to boom.

  298. Joe Toriebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 5:17 pm

    Nobody is going to convince paid shills or morons that `anything` is better than the Tories Neil. The only way you folks would learn or understand our experiences is to have Mr-Rabbit in power, in an unstoppable position, where he could strip all opportunity off your family and give it to the billionaires. Until then, you Tories will have to remain stupid.

  299. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:02 pm

    “The only way you folks would learn or understand our experiences…….”

    “Until then, you Tories will have to remain stupid.”

    Someone get me a fucking violin !

    Poor old Joe pines for a bigger welfare state to look after him and his fellow other “eaters, drinkers,sleepers and breeders”

  300. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:04 pm

    “Albo said we should have a public debate and for once I agree with him.”

    Oh dear ………………Poor Eg

    I think he’s become a victim of Stockholm Syndrome

  301. IP Address permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:17 pm

    Looks like “Tories” is the new “T**bags”.

  302. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:23 pm

    Sure Does

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:24 pm

    Until then, you Tories will have to remain stupid.

    Even the experience doesn’t change them … 073

    Like outlander, I left school early, 14 1/2 … no high school but I did finsish an apprenticeship (last of the five year) … I graduated, in Adelaide @ 45, in 1992 and started my own small business at home with my wife (The Minister for War, Water, Finance, Power and Fun) … BUT I had brought up two children and owned everything by 1990 … and done two years as a Nasho … we retired officially in 2005 … actually finished working in 2007 …

    I have worked as a tradie, supervisor, staff/line manager, internal/external consultant in quite a few “industry/professions” … service/sales/production/training/assessment/OH&S/IR …

    I lean left (from centre) because I’ve seen how hard some people struggle and work and still don’t make it … and I’ve seen others who have simply had the world laid at their feet and thought they’d earned or deserved it … bizarre …

    I’m not wealthy (in dollar terms) but I do try to assist people where I can … not that its always appreciated … and successes are often forgotten (not all) …

    But the tory belief that “anyone can do it if they just get off their arses” is not only annoying its insulting …

    If society can’t survive without an economy … then equally an economy can’t survive without a society …

    But tories only see people – cannon and factory fodder – not familes and laughter and enjoying life … they see that some people are born to suffer and serve …

    And my politics were born in the workplace!

    As a someone who worked on the shop floor and took the shit and a supervisor who made sure his workteam was the best trained, equipped, defended from management BS and motivated and not put down by some smartarsed young manager (I was once accused of “over motivating” my team and others couldn’t keep up!) as a manager making sure that ALL my troops were kept informed at least once a week on progress and setback (honestly! ) by me not handed down by my supervisors … as a consultant it was simple … tell it the way it really was not what they wanted to hear … once cost me a contract worth $17,000 (I KNOCKED BACK) that’s when I knew I was really my own boss … the company no longer exists!

    And I agree with outlander … I took on every hour of overtime offered to me in those early days (I was a dad within months of becoming a tradie @ 21) I’d win contracts and tell The Minister – I’m buggered if i know how we can do it – but we did … as a manager I sit up in bed (apparently) and say things like – we can fix that with a ????

    No I don’t like the tories – with plums in their moths who think they “just know” — ’cause I can assure they don’t … my baby girl slept in a drawer for six months (out of a chest of drawers … The Minister and I lived off half eaten army ration packs for two weeks that I’d brought home from training exercises …

    And I’ve met the current GG and her predecessor … very noice smiles … but oh, so, tory … like colonial clammy aura …

    Most of my friends are tories these days … and just can,t wait to get back the mantle of power and control

    and that’s the problem for me … the ALP cronies also see it as a mantle of control and power …

    None see it as an opportunity to help our country progess and become the great nation that it is …

    Maybe we should ask Turnbull and Rudd to set up a REAL political party!

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 6:25 pm

    Looks like “Tories” is the new “T**bags”.

    Ya mean, all the good guys’ll be banned?

  305. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:03 pm

    And while we’re at it let’s ask, sreb, to ban anyone who uses these terms:

    lefties

    Bolshies

    commos communists

    socialists socialism

    turd licker

    juliar

    I’ll stop now … see how the TORIES try to control free speech … and often surreptitiously … by “blaming” the other side …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you really think about logically and geographically … the Falklands are part of Argentina …

    Imagine if the Argentinians had a colony on the Faroe Islands …

  306. IPAddress permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:06 pm

    ‘But tories only see people – cannon and factory fodder – not familes and laughter and enjoying life … they see that some people are born to suffer and serve … ‘

    Hey, guess which ideology is responsible for the most of the misery in the world in the last hundred years? Here’s a hint, its not one the Tories subscribe to.

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:10 pm

    On that basis I don’t know any “tories”

  308. Joe Teeebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:14 pm

    ” Joe pines for a bigger welfare state to look after him”
    Hey dopey, you do realize that `workchoice` type employment guarantees a future pension need. As 40% of the workforce is now `under-employed`, and the vast majority of those want and need full-time employment, also means they are not getting full `superannuation`, therefore, they MUST become pensioners. Workchoice and Joolya`s barely different system, is keeping so many of the workforce `out` of full-earning-potential. do a cost benefit on that Tories

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:15 pm

    How about this TB: The people well understand that the two centrist parties lean one towards workers, welfare and spending, the other towards business, investment and generating wealth. They alternate when Labor has spent too much and the mess needs cleaning up or when they’ve had enough austerity from the Coalition and they think we should tilt back towards more welfare, like better hospitals or schools.

    By now it is fairly clear that Labor has spent way too much and we need a bit of economic rectitude.

    Add to the mix, that Labor is increasingly seen as party for upper and middle class do-gooders and has grown more distant from its traditional worker base. One reason for this is that unions are now run by ambitious careerists rather than workers who have taken union positions and it is these careerists who are become Labor politicians. Fewer voters relate to them or have any sympathy for them. This problem has been compounded by the cynical way the unions knifed Rudd and installed Gillard.

    What the people want now is change – they want a government that actually stands for something. They don’t want Labor-lite. A Baillieu style wet won’t cut it and neither will Turnbull for much the same reason. Baillieu only snuck into power because he finally said no preference deals with the Greens.

    Abbott will do well if he makes a serious attempt to get business going again, reign in the unions and start repaying the national debt. He will only confuse people by making expensive promises and isn’t tough enough on the unions.

    A Rudd – Turnbull party would be a joke. Rudd could not work with anyone as an equal let alone someone who has such a high estimation of his own self-worth as Malcolm.

  310. IPAddress permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:26 pm

    I prefer the term wingnuts to tories or t**bags, but that’s just me.

  311. Joe Teeebag permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:34 pm

    l prefer teeebags coz it better represents the true political position of `nuts` hijacking a major parties policy direction, like John-W adopting phobe ideas from Hanson. Unfortunately it unhinged yomm, and reb got sick of it, and its HIS blog.

  312. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:37 pm

    Tb I started to read your post and then fell asleep half way down. Should make them shorter.

  313. IPAddress permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:43 pm

    The great triumph in 7.30reportland/Joe Teebag/Torie’s use of the term t**bags was in the way he/she subtly and almost imperceptibly managed to continually repeat the term to the point that everyone was utterly sick of and at the point of physically throwing up their meat and three veg while the unsuspecting reader barely even noticed it.

  314. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:02 pm

    “Abbott will do well if he makes a serious attempt to get business going” well I can’t see him lowering business tax, Interest rates are super low, he can’t make them lower, I don’t recall any policy statements about getting business going, Aussie dollar is super high so everythings cheap, what else does business need. Manufacturing is fucked, exports are harder, our mineral exports I’m sad to say is the immediate future. If he lets the mining companys have their way he will be selling us all short.
    Make my teabag Tobys Estate Earl Grey.

  315. April 11, 2013 8:07 pm

    Whatever happened to “plain brands” at supermarkets…?

    Not that I ever bought them of course, but they do seem to have just gradually disappeared…

  316. hummmph permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:11 pm

    Now that Gillard is best freinds with the chinese, maybe she should hand over a few million 457 visas and they could build the super fast train thing in 5 or 10 minutes. They would all have to join the union first though.

  317. April 11, 2013 8:19 pm

    hummmph makes a lot of sense (seriously)…

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:28 pm

    I prefer the term wingnuts to tories or t**bags, but that’s just me.

    WGAF what you prefer in terminology … I listed a few that I find offensive but didn’t offer alternatives … FMD! Talk about control freaks …

    By now it is fairly clear that Labor has spent way too much and we need a bit of economic rectitude.

    By whose standards … yours? The Liberal Party? Kneel?

    Labor is increasingly seen as party for upper and middle class do-gooders and has grown more distant from its traditional worker base

    … you, like many, don’t get it … nearly all the managers I worked with were Labor supporters … modern Labor wasn’t just a “workers party” shows you misunderstanding of the ALP for the last 40 years … and theirs too apparently … remember this is a hung parliament and not all ALP voters are unionists (20%???)

    now run by ambitious careerists rather than workers who have taken union positions</i.

    While I agree … that applies equally to the other mob!

    This problem has been compounded by the cynical way the unions knifed Rudd and installed Gillard.</i.

    No doubt! Agree!

    Abbott will do well if he makes a serious attempt to get business going again, reign in the unions and start repaying the national debt. He will only confuse people by making expensive promises and isn’t tough enough on the unions.

    This is a tricky Dicky para …

    Abbott is seriously a moron and really no match for Gillard intellectually (not that that matters now) … Australia will be a laughing stock if he (gorilla) walks the world stage!

    Business is GOING well … the economy is trundling along nicely … Balanced super is at 13% … employment is at 94.4% .. bank loans are at an historically national low … less than my first offer in 1964 @ 7.25 FFS … taxes are low … the ASX just cracked 5000 … businesses put off people, shift, fail, restart, have bumnper profts … that’s business life … but our economy is doing nicely …

    The unions don’t need reining in (only as far as control of politics) … they are an essential part of the IR balance … I’ve always believed that unions are the product of poor management …

    The national debt is not an issue … it really is tiny in the scheme of things (and if you are as street smart as I think you are – you really know that) …

    Only the tories think the unions are a problem they have been nurtured on the milk of hate for the unions since birth … and the plan has always been to eliminate them … I was born into a real working class background so different perspective … (although one of my grandmothers was a millionaire – long story and I don’t want to bore, Kneel) … some businesses/management need to be reigned in too (as APIA and Phenix (sic) Jewellery are about to find out!) … as do some very senior union officials …

    That fkn IR pendulum never sits in one spot!

    Abbott confuses himself … and you’re right, he will end up like Gillard if he can’t express himself … and we know he can’t, unless coached … or writing it down …

    … it really is pathetic, all of this, isn’t it?

    A Rudd – Turnbull party would be a joke. Rudd could not work with anyone as an equal let alone someone who has such a high estimation of his own self-worth as Malcolm.

    You may be right, sb … but I reckon both may have discovered a bit of humility …

    BTW … I like it when we can debate like this … thanks …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tb I started to read your post and then fell asleep half way down

    Its all that running around on holidays …

    Anyway, thanks for the feedback, Kneel, my post wasn’t really aimed at you … I know you have a short, Young Libs, attention span … it was aimed at the adults here …

  319. IPAddress permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:32 pm

    You’d probably be better off having the whole thing built in China, then shipped here completely-knocked-down. That way you could avoid the whole “you’re taking advantage of poor yellow people you should be paying them the same as local workers so local wages won’t be undermined” thing.

  320. hummmph permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:38 pm

    IP, it would be much cheaper to do it that way, but how would they get the tunnels here?

  321. IPAddress permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:45 pm

    The tunnells? Easy. They could dig them out of Chinese mountains and float them over on barges.

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2013 8:53 pm

    but our economy is doing nicely

    Then why is Swan running $40B budget deficits during the biggest mining boom in history and the best terms of trade for 100 years??

    “The national debt is not an issue”

    Why not?? People in Europe got into problems because they said things like you said. And it is low because Costello spent 11 years paying off the debt Labor created last time in power. I don’t think i have ever seen a Labor govt either State or Federal pay off any debt.

    And we are a Federation. Britain is not. For a fair comparison you would have to compare our State and Federal debt with British govt debt. I believe our Federal and State debt is 25% of GDP.

  323. Hummmph permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:11 pm

    I will email Albonese with your suggestion.

  324. IPA dress permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:18 pm

    Speaking of China (and digging) …

    ‘BHP Billiton Ltd. (BHP), the world’s biggest mining company, sees China growth “trending down” toward 6 percent after about 7 percent to 8 percent in the next couple of years, Chief Financial Officer Graham Kerr said today at the Bloomberg Economic Summit in Sydney, indicating prospects in its largest customer present its main risk.’

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-10/china-export-gains-miss-forecasts-for-first-time-in-four-months.html

  325. Hummmph permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:24 pm

    Oh no, we are doomed then, quick give the car manufactures another few $ billion.

  326. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:28 pm

    TB – ” … Australia will be a laughing stock if he (gorilla) walks the world stage!

    Equally, imagine dining at one of London’s top restaurants with some English friends, Tim & Julia walk in with a few of their hangers on.

    My reactions would be-
    • I hope they don’t hear me and introduce themselves
    • How embarrassing to have them representing us.
    • I’ll have to go to better restaurants
    • I’m not telling my friends that bogan is Our Prime Minister

    Gillard is an embarrassment.

  327. IPA dress permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:55 pm

    We could save the local car industry overnight. Just reverse the Button plan and re-erect the tarriff and quota walls. The price of imported cars would rise and local production-line workers would continue to be paid like solicitors. Everyone would win. Except the consumer, of course.

  328. IPA dress permalink
    April 11, 2013 9:58 pm

    “[The Button plan] in turn would theoretically expose the local industry to increased competition from imported products, fostering improvement in local vehicles and creating the basis for a competitive export industry.”

    Oops. 😯

  329. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:13 pm

    “If you really think about logically and geographically … the Falklands are part of Argentina …”

    On that pearl of wisdom..zzzz

    So when are we invading New Zealand ?

    Perhaps the French won’t notice if we sneak into New Caledonia

  330. IPA des permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:17 pm

    Hehe. I’m sure the USA wouldn’t mind if Japan invaded Hawaii.

    Oh, wait

  331. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:18 pm

    “. Workchoice and Joolya`s barely different system, is keeping so many of the workforce `out` of full-earning-potential. do a cost benefit on that Tories”

    Stop your whinging and get over yourself . Only you can make yourself stand out from a crowd of unemployed .

    Go get a taxi licence and go drive one.

    Oh………..of course that’s below you.

    You’ve got nothing to complain about. So enjoy your self inflicted poverty

  332. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:24 pm

    By the way Joe.

    Ever heard of volunteering for work ?

    When unemployed Some call it slave labouring.

    I call it networking for paid work.

    Oh……………of course that would interfere with reruns of ” I Love Lucy” downloaded at the speed of light via the NBN

  333. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:35 pm

    I’m not sure what’s the bigger joke

    The NBN of a Fast Train.

    Why don’t we just bite the bullet and invite a Chinese delegation of VFT engineers out here and tell them they can have the job to build it and they can import as many Chinese workers as they want.

    At least it gets built and the country enjoys the economic benefits for generations. Otherwise it won’t be built.

    Then if they do it Melbourne to Canberra to Sydney to Brisbane on time on budget we can turn around to them and say

    “By the way we also have this highway between Sydney and Brisbane that we tarred in 1957 but we forgot to make it multiple lanes each way………”

    But we won’t

    Well just keep talking about if.

  334. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:53 pm

    Does anyone see a problem in the level of outrage by the Lefties about Bob Carr’s comments about a recently deceased Maggie Thatcher being a rascist ( the outrage did not exist) and that of a Sydney Radio Shock Jock making comment about a recently deceased person dying of shame?

    Oh the hypocrisy !

  335. outlander permalink
    April 11, 2013 11:33 pm

    You’d better pop bob into a chaff bag.
    I didn’t realise how sensitive cock jocks were.
    That defies logic that a politician would say what he thinks?

  336. April 12, 2013 8:15 am

    ” while the unsuspecting reader barely even noticed it.”
    @ipdress, suck it up princess, rebs blog, rebs rules
    ***********************************************************
    anyway, l thought this was interesting,
    ***
    A Chinese Air Force officer on Saturday accused the U.S. government of creating the new strain of bird flu now afflicting parts of China as a biological warfare attack. People’s Liberation Army Sr. Col. Dai Xu said the United States released the H7N9 bird flu virus into China in an act of biological warfare, according to a posting on his blog on Saturday. The charge was first reported in the state-run Guangzhou newspaper Southern Metropolis Daily and then picked up by several news outlets in Asia. State Department spokesman Jason Rebholz dismissed the claim.
    http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/chinese-colonel-says-latest-h7n9-bird-flu-virus-is-u-s-biological-weapon/
    .
    wonder if this is just a crank, the warning canary-in-coal-mine, or bullshit to heighten `war` tensions in the area

  337. April 12, 2013 8:25 am

    ” Whatever happened to “plain brands” at supermarkets ?””
    coles and woolies are copying Aldi reb, the `house` brands are still there, but disguised in unique packaging, no longer using the blue/white or red/white `generic` packaging.
    **
    you must have been watching the chaser-lads new `consumer` show on the milk-war

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2013 8:54 am

    ” while the unsuspecting reader barely even noticed it.”

    Yes, it was remarkable subtlety. It’s always a pleasure to read something well written, that gets the point across without labouring it.

    Speaking of which…did you know that Gillard is an exceptionally dishonest politician?

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 8:55 am

    Mmmm …

    Nothing old, nothing new, nothing ventured …

    I’ll pop back later, maybe …

  340. April 12, 2013 9:03 am

    “you must have been watching the chaser-lads new `consumer` show on the milk-war”

    Indeed I was !

    It’s much more interesting than the Gruen Transfer I reckon..

  341. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 12, 2013 9:03 am

    Oh Dear Oh Dear………………and this is from Fairfax of all outlets?

    “………….The Asian operator executives I spoke to in Hong Kong – people who have already built their own FTTH networks – go ashen faced when asked to consider the possibility of deploying similar networks in Australia…………………..Indeed, these operators call standalone residential dwellings “non-standard” connections because of the cost and complexity of running fibre all the way to the customers’ premises. To them the NBN in Australia represents one big non-standard connection………….”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/broadband-utopia-is-a-pipedream-analyst-20130411-2hnl8.html#ixzz2QCNPdCqW

  342. April 12, 2013 9:27 am

    milk-war
    lt was very interesting that both of the major suppliers/packagers are foreign owned, and the supermarkets, farmers and news-orgs are not telling the public this. Or, the packagers are the mob that set the price the farmers receive.
    **********************
    gruen
    Yeah, agree `consumer/chaser` is better, l think that`s coz it relates more directly to most of us. Gruen seems to be more specialised tho sometimes is a bit boring, but usually l have enjoyed it too.

  343. April 12, 2013 9:40 am

    Gruen appeals to those who either work in advertising or want to, and those sorts of people are usually self-adulating wankers anyway.

    Except for me of course.

  344. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 9:44 am

    Because of the popularity of the VFT they should call for tenders now and let the people decide if its worth it.

    When the incoming government abandons the tax on CO2 and begins the dismantling of the green machine and klimatariat, it should give us an opportunity to see our way clear to get a start on the VFT.

  345. April 12, 2013 10:08 am

    sorry to deflate your `rail` bubble gordo, this mornings abc1 news had Albo on saying the rail `was not going to be party policy` at sep-14, while rail is a good idea, my bet is the airlines will lobby like crap agin it.

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:07 am

    You could own enough aircraft to have about 10x Qantas (ie 1200x737s) for the price of the line from Melb to Bris.

    At $114,000,000,000 even the ALP isn’t profligate enough to propose building it.

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:42 am

    And Wally et al, wonder why many of my posts disparage THE ROBBER BARONS …

    Strip me of my knighthood … what fkn nonsense – as if that means anything in the 21st Century! And 30% of his ANNUAL pension of $855,000 … FMD! He could start his own fkn bank from the one he robbed!

    THE ex-chief executive of failed British bank HBOS wants to be stripped of his knighthood after a scathing report.
    James Crosby says he’ll also give up 30 per cent of his 580,000 pound ($855,000) annual pension after lawmakers blamed executives’ “toxic” decisions for the bank’s downfall.

    Last week legislators accused Mr Crosby and two other executives of failures in judgment that led the bank to the brink of collapse.

    Mr Crosby says he’s deeply sorry for what happened at HBOS and that it’s right to take steps to remove the knighthood.

    Lloyds Banking Group agreed to buy HBOS in 2008 to save it from collapse. The British government spent 20.5 billion pounds bailing out the combined bank, which is still about 40 per cent owned by British taxpayers.

    http://www.news.com.au/business/strip-me-of-my-knighthood-ex-ceo/story-e6frfm1i-1226616905640

  348. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 12:13 pm

    ToM I’m confident O’Farrell and Abbott will make fast rail part of their platforms.

  349. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 12:39 pm

    But its scandalous that joolya spent $20 million on half a dozen consultants to placate the greens…. everything is overpriced and a foreign consortium will reduce the cost markedly.

    Acquisition of property along the route maybe a major component in the blowout, so they will probably go along the central tablelands to join Melbourne to Brisbane.

    In the meantime, the Sydney/Canberra route could go beneath the sandstone curtain… just sayin’.

  350. IPA address permalink
    April 12, 2013 1:20 pm

    Hi el gordo. The advantage air travel has over rail or any other land-based transportation is, besides airports at departure and destination, no infrastructure needs to be built. On economic grounds VFT fails dismally.

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2013 1:30 pm

    “On economic grounds VFT fails dismally.”

    Won’t somebody please think of the unions!

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 1:44 pm

    People seem to be obsessed with unions so I thought I’d re-post this again ….

    And Wally et al, wonder why many of my posts disparage THE ROBBER BARONS …

    Strip me of my knighthood … what fkn nonsense – as if that means anything in the 21st Century! And 30% of his ANNUAL pension of $855,000 … FMD! He could start his own fkn bank from the one he robbed!

    THE ex-chief executive of failed British bank HBOS wants to be stripped of his knighthood after a scathing report.
    James Crosby says he’ll also give up 30 per cent of his 580,000 pound ($855,000) annual pension after lawmakers blamed executives’ “toxic” decisions for the bank’s downfall.

    Last week legislators accused Mr Crosby and two other executives of failures in judgment that led the bank to the brink of collapse.

    Mr Crosby says he’s deeply sorry for what happened at HBOS and that it’s right to take steps to remove the knighthood.

    Lloyds Banking Group agreed to buy HBOS in 2008 to save it from collapse. The British government spent 20.5 billion pounds bailing out the combined bank, which is still about 40 per cent owned by British taxpayers.

    http://www.news.com.au/business/strip-me-of-my-knighthood-ex-ceo/story-e6frfm1i-1226616905640

    … maybe this is acceptable behaviour to tories? 😯

  353. April 12, 2013 1:52 pm

    it`s the usual mindless crap from the tories TB, l bet if added up all the corporate thieves and criminals and warlords, it would make the unions stuff look like pretty little

  354. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 12, 2013 2:23 pm

    When businessmen break the law, as opposed to being simply incompetent, they go to jail.

    When Union leaders do the same, they are punished with a seat in Parliament. If the crime’s a really good one, they’ll get a Ministry. The best get to be PM.

  355. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 2:27 pm

    The Sydney/Canbera run is viable.

  356. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2013 2:33 pm

    “… maybe this is acceptable behaviour to tories?”

    Not being a Tory I wouldn’t know. And you really need to understand that “look over there” is not a rational answer to anything. It usually means that you don’t have one.

    I would add that in this case the bloke is giving back money he hasn’t stolen and isn’t required to return any money. So yes, that is acceptable behaviour.

    A problem with the bail-outs is that the market is prevented from working properly. This results in many of the executives who made the mess keeping their jobs when they should never work in financial services again, which is what would have happened if their company was liquidated as insolvent.

    “l bet if added up all the corporate thieves and criminals and warlords, it would make the unions stuff look like pretty little”

    Looks like the people of NSW have been shorn of over $100m by Unionland crooks recently. Obviously small change in retardland. I wonder how much they will give back voluntarily? Also, maybe the ALP could have paid $400k to the HSU instead of paying Thomson’s lawyers. That would have been acceptable behaviour.

  357. April 12, 2013 3:49 pm

    when we say bizland is killing people again, we have wailing from the tories that
    .
    it was only hardie, not every other biz on the planet
    .
    but yeah, unionland is ok to smear all unions, even the ones that have nothing to do with the Alp, or well run and honest unions that cop it too,

  358. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 3:52 pm

    IPA there is general agreement that Australia is going to double its population by mid century.

    Our capital cities on the east coast are under tremendous strain and decentralisation is the only answer. Can you imagine watermelons voting for the Abbott team? This is how they will do it, along with his green army.

    Our greatly reverred former leader Gough Whitlam chose a spot half way between Bathurst and Orange for a major city. Its a white elephant now, but the land remains in federal government hands and would make a perfect satellite town if connected by fast rail.

  359. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2013 3:56 pm

    Most differentiate between union hacks, union thugs and other unions.

    The first 2 gravitiate towards construction, mining and manufacturing.

  360. April 12, 2013 4:01 pm

    “When businessmen break the law, as opposed to being simply incompetent, they go to jail.””
    go to jail.? that`s rare
    being simply incompetent.? the dog ate my homework
    .
    if `incompetent`, then they have taken a job as director under fraudulent claims, their tens of million$ salary, back-dated shares and options, and any other wealth taken from the company should be returned to the company/creditors

  361. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2013 4:07 pm

    the dog ate my homework stole my credit card and mobile phone and had a wild night on the town and then put them back again without me knowing.

  362. April 12, 2013 4:09 pm

    The first 2 gravitiate towards construction, mining and manufacturing.
    more fact free bullshit yomm
    .
    bandt was backed by the electric union, which ditched their association with Joolya

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 6:12 pm

    Not being a Tory I wouldn’t know. And you really need to understand that “look over there” is not a rational answer to anything. It usually means that you don’t have one.

    Coupla things, sb …

    I “really need to understand” – talk about pontificate! This site prides iteself on shifting sands …

    Nor am I leftie, commie, bolshevik or socialist – words you and others here throw around with reckless abandon … I do believe in democratic socialism (ie helping those less fortunate) …

    ie Fairness, balance and justice …

    But I suspect YOU know that …your younger “followers” don’t and its played … educate them … but truthfully …

    I had nothing to “answer rationally” I just get sick of the union bashing … you and ToM, talk about unions as being the “problem” … its not its arsehole wannabe Robber Barons … people who make sickening profit at the expense of others … like John Howard receiving a Peace Medal as young men died for a war he committed Australia to …

    That’s not “look over there” that’s what is happening … obviously the bits you want to ignore …

    As for rational answer – check out the things you post … rational? You don’t know the meaning of the word …

    James Crosby is a thief with obviously no skills/knowledge of the job he was in … probably with “good contacts” from public school and nothing else …

    Give back 30% of $850,000 a YEAR pension … and you call that a look over there … how rational is that to the average punter with less than $300,000 for a lifetime!

    That doesn’t mean I defend the Obied Clan … shit its even worse! BUT the pricks aren’t just union affiliated …

    You obviously avoidedmissed my point … ’cause I’m a bolshie probably and why bother – and you accuse me of look over there … Jesus F Christ!

  364. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2013 6:42 pm

    TB: “Nor am I … socialist – words you and others here throw around with reckless abandon … I do believe in democratic socialism “

    What does that all mean then?

    “(ie helping those less fortunate) …”

    Oh, I see. But everyone around here believes in that. We must all be democratic socialists. Glad we sorted that out.

    Look, if you are still going to vote for Gillard in Spetemeber, you probably always vote Labor. If you lived in NSW would you have voted Labor last election? Be honest with us now. I doubt even you could bear the stench. And in Queensland, were you one of the loyal few who voted Labor last time? Do you think the state would really be better of if Anna Blight was still running the show?

    Sometimes Labor is good and sometimes they are shite. This Federal government is at the stinky end of that scale. I doubt I’ll vote for them, but Abbott gives me no confidence at all. It’s just that given how bad Gillard is, he is worth a shot.

  365. April 12, 2013 6:45 pm

    Well said TB, but don`t upset yourself over what the torie-kids and shills say. They have not yet obtained much in the way of wisdom, and most likely never will. lf they were not living such a cocooned life, they would realize some of the torie stuff they spout on about is pure nonsense.

  366. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 6:50 pm

    Have confidence in Abbott, ignore the propaganda, he has the potential to be a populist and remain in power for a decade or more.

  367. IPA address permalink
    April 12, 2013 6:58 pm

    Thanks for that lesson in blog etiquette, Grumpy of Queensland.

    The terms “leftie, commie, bolshevik or socialist” are bad.

    However the terms “torie”, “teabag”, “wingnut” etc are OK.

    Got it.

  368. el gordo permalink
    April 12, 2013 8:01 pm

    The O’Farrell government is going to lease a couple of ports for 99 years and rake in $4 billion for infrastructure in NSW.

    And the Chinese government is emcouraging its people to buy property in foreign lands.

  369. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 13, 2013 12:45 am

    So Woodside has finally canned on-shore processing.

    Thanks to the AWU, CFMEU and MUA greed the entire construction phase now goes offshore to the construction of a floating LNG train.

    Barnett is pissed off because its now a federal royalty. But so are the aboriginals in the knmberly who miss out on jobs.

    And Howes continues to sound like an out of tune violin.

    And Slimebag Milne does a hairy chest beat about her “victory”.

    It has nothing to do with the greens

    For those who don’t hold shares in WPL the Browse Basin has a resource of around 13 trillion cubic metres of LNG.

    Yes Trillion.

  370. April 13, 2013 1:23 am

    IPA doesn’t like it when people mock religion, either, TB.

    But he left that off his list.

  371. April 13, 2013 1:25 am

    * correction…he’s appeared comfortable, over the years, with putting the boot into the moosies, but doesn’t like it when the equally deluded jesusfreaks get a bit of a serve.

    #religiousconfirmationbias

  372. April 13, 2013 1:26 am

    #theyheartmarksteyn

  373. April 13, 2013 8:51 am

    ” Have confidence in Abbott, “
    he will reduce the nbn to an impoverished utility that will reduce our nations ability to develop and compete internationally in the tech arena
    .
    ignore his propaganda,
    on platinum child care and fast-rail, and any other `big-spend`. Mr-Rabbit will service his `surplus` fetish.
    .
    Don`t expect any movement on the `personal-Liberty` front either. No voluntary euthanasia, gay marriage or womens health will improve under him. Abbott is addicted to his dog-bothering.
    .
    Abbott will return to the slash and burn of services and fire-sale of assets that occurred under Howard. Expect under-employment, homelessness, poverty and general unfairness to increase under Abbott, just as it did under the Howard regime. If we are really unlucky, Abbott will also follow the yanks into the next war disaster too.

  374. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:03 am

    Abbott will return to the slash and burn of services and fire-sale of assets that occurred under Howard.

    Well if we can’t afford it we can’t afford it.

    Actually it was Hawke/Keating who started asset sales. They flogged off Commonwealth Bank. Qantas, CSL. However unlike Costello, Keating used the money obtained from the sales for recurrent spending.

    That is why Costello removed the revenue he received from Telstra from the budget as revenue.

  375. April 13, 2013 9:22 am

    ” Well if we can’t afford it we can’t afford it.”
    Fine Kneel.
    Let`s stop the 4.5_billion$ welfare to the auto-makers, and wasting billions$ on persecuting boat-people.
    .
    ” Well if we can’t afford it we can’t afford it.”
    which would also make,
    if we can afford it, we can afford it
    equally true, so Mr-Rabbit should stop hindering those `personal-Liberty` topics l mentioned above and stop objecting to, voluntary euthanasia, gay marriage and womens health choices.

  376. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:34 am

    Let`s stop the 4.5_billion$ welfare to the auto-makers, and wasting billions$ on persecuting boat-people.

    You would have to get rid of the ALP to do that.

  377. April 13, 2013 9:49 am

    Gee Kneel what a great reply, you torie-kids fail totally to grasp that the libs and alp at both the state and federal level have been pouring the tax-payers cash into the auto-makers pockets, well done for avoiding the meat and potatoes of the comment.

  378. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:58 am

    Simon says joolya has a tin ear.

  379. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2013 10:06 am

    Abbott is also keen to destroy corrupt and overbearing unions.

  380. April 13, 2013 10:53 am

    more torie-kids clap-trap gordo, unions are a drop in the ocean compared to corrupt and overbearing employer/industry organizations and groups, that cause way more damage to people and planet

  381. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2013 11:42 am

    Some unions are not well regulated, compared to business generally. Criminal activity must be rooted out where ever it shows itself, business or unions.

    In NSW we see corrupt practice in unions and the old ALP government, this is the heart of the matter and the people are not happy.

  382. el gordo permalink
    April 13, 2013 11:45 am

    …’damage to people and planet.’

    I’ll let that go through to the keeper.

  383. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2013 12:05 pm

    ” more torie-kids clap-trap gordo, unions are a drop in the ocean compared to corrupt and overbearing employer/industry organizations and groups, that cause way more damage to people and planet fact free nonsense”

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 12:33 pm

    IPA

    The terms “leftie, commie, bolshevik or socialist” are bad.

    However the terms “torie”, “teabag”, “wingnut” etc are OK.

    Got it.

    You never did get …

    You just highlighted my point 🙄

    If you don’t like being called tories … don’t lump other people with disparaging names …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    egg

    Criminal activity must be rooted out where ever it shows itself, business or unions.

    Hear Hear! egg,

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sb

    Look, if you are still going to vote for Gillard in Spetemeber, you probably always vote Labor.

    Every tory that posts here and there’s now more than those of us in the middle … never seem to comprehend my posts …

    Have you read that I think this government is terrible but Abbott & The Acolytes will be as bad or worse …? Or do you just glance at the bist where I say that I agree with a government statement … FYI I doubt that David Cameron in the UK will last much longer given recent polls and the opinions of my own contacts in the North and South of the country …

    Draconian is a word they often use … idealogue (eg increasing uni fees …)

    I did vote for Anna bLie (as ihave called her for a number of years) but for one reason only … I hate landslide elections … they are worse than hung parliaments … as Noddy Newman’s Neos are proving … I don’t follow NSW politics … all Mexican to me …

    And yes I’ve never voted tory … but I certainly won’t be voting for the ALP … AS I HAVE SAID on numerous occasions …

    Historically this was a politically a left site … most the people who voted ALP BUT are disillusioned stayed … the rusted are at CWI and CWII …

    Right whingers get a good run here because of generosity of our Webmeaster, we ALL get a good run!

    But the tories here are no better than the CW’s … as I keep saying my aim is to keep some balance … corrupt union officials are arsholes but the union movement itself has a checkered(ie I would never strike on the docks when supplying troops) but proud history – all the conditions at today’s workplace have been won by working class FAMILIES struggling against the arseholes in business … destroy the unions as the tories since Churchills day have wanted and we go back to the days of Dickens … quickly …

    As I said, my politics were honed in the workplace and at a dinner table with bread a dripping and a cup of tea … or huddled in a hutchie over a hexamine stove … not in university talkfests …

    Luckily (and I do consider it luck!) I live in Oz and whoever takes power can’t affect me too much … my one fear is that the tories talke power in every state and federally … the GST will be raised almost immediately … the UK is now at 20% … and pensioners and folk on fixed are (as usual) suffering the most … while pollies and Robber Barons recieve massive payouts, priviledges and pensions for life – and it doesn’t matter WHICH party you favour …

    At this time in my life I favour NONE of the Fuckwits™ … not a single one … zilch, zero, صفر, զրո, нулевой, 零, 제로 ….

    Do you understand yet that if I think something is wrong with EITHER major party (or any pollie) I’ll say so …

    Problem you have, sb, is that you don’t know my history on these blogs … what’s funny is that I was accused by a particular rampant, Farnham Bear, a few years ago of being a right wing spy, ’cause I challenged the, Rudd and later, Gillard governments so much …

    And after watching, Tip Custard, wobble all over questions and then start asking, Emma Alberici, questions last night on, Lateline, I’m surprised that that dopey prick is still around …

    just sayin’ …

    Off to research my new 3D printer …

  385. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2013 12:59 pm

    “And after watching, Tip Custard, wobble all over questions and then start asking, Emma Alberici, questions last night on, Lateline, I’m surprised that that dopey prick is still around … ”

    That is all the evidence I need that Costello was a great Treasurer. Your judgement is pathetic.

  386. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2013 3:25 pm

    Well this is interesting for a Party that claims to be for education. Taking money from Tertiary education and giving it to Secondary

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/university-sector-to-be-hit-in-gonski-reforms-20130413-2hry2.html

    The federal government has announced more than $2.5 billion worth of cuts to the university sector in order to free up funds for its Gonski school reforms.

    In Canberra on Saturday, Minister for Tertiary Education Craig Emerson said that three “substantial savings” had been identified to support school funding………………Dr Emerson said the university sector would be be hit with an efficiency dividend of 2 per cent and 1.25 per cent in the coming two years, saving about $900 million. A further $230 million would be saved by cutting the ten per cent discount students and parents currently enjoy if they pay their university fees up front.

    Dr Emerson said that $1.2 billion would be saved by requiring students on start up scholarships to pay the money back, when they had hit an earning threshold.

    This followed an announcement from Treasurer Wayne Swan on Saturday that the government would save a further $520 million by cracking down on tax deductions for self-education expenses.

  387. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2013 4:10 pm

    TB, I agree with some of you post, but this isn’t true – ” But the tories here are no better than the CW’s …

    I’m not sure who you’re referring to, but I’ll presume you’re including me.

    Unlike the CW’s-
    • No one here chants for the banning of any contributor
    • People generally debate the political issues in good spirit, even if you find some of it tiresome
    • Contributors generally are entirely willing to admit to a range of personal and political failings on both sides of the political divide
    • I haven’t noticed anyone being personally and routinely insulted on the basis of their political orientation

    “Tories” and contributors her generally are more tolerant, and cynical of political motives than the crowd at CW.

  388. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2013 4:10 pm

    “contributors here”

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 4:55 pm

    Well this is interesting for a Party that claims to be for education. Taking money from Tertiary education and giving it to Secondary

    Yep I just saw this, Kneel …

    And that is absolutely DUMB! And the reason that I no longer have any faith in the ALP and its policies that is straight out of David Cameron’s Tory Handbook …

    When I studied at UniSa I paid up front (I was not eligible for HECS) and got the 10% discount that helped my family of two young teenagers and a wife to survive … and me to improve my knowledge and quals and eventually start my own business – not only did I earn more – I paid more taxes!

    Absolutely dumb!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Noice bullet points, ToM! 😉

  390. April 13, 2013 6:10 pm

    Just watched the movie The Seven Psychopaths on DVD.

    Highly recommended!! I think you’d like it TB.

    Including a very fine performance from one of my favourite and often underrated actors Christopher Walken…

    Four stars from me. 🙂

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 6:18 pm

    Never heard of it, sreb, I’ll check it out …

    We’ve booked for Oblivion on Tuesday … Gold Class (and $100 to spend!) gifts from our kids – they reckon that’s cheap bikkies to pick their kids up every second week from school and babysit through the year (their words not mine!) … actually we got a total of three GC and a bottle of Moët & Chandon (our fave bubbles) and the $100 from both our kids … not bad we reckon ..

    Will do the usual Marg and Dave .. 😉

  392. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 6:19 pm

    Just installed IE10 … seems a lot faster (and security is better)

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2013 6:35 pm

    I no longer have any faith in the ALP and its policies that is straight out of David Cameron’s Tory Handbook

    Just want to comment on this. I am not sure what a Tory is but I have been called one.

    My experience in Australia has been that Labor Parties get in on a wave of promises and expectation only to find those expectations, well not expected.

    After Labor trashes the budget the Tories (whatever they are) are elected to clean up the mess. This usually involves cutting everything to get the budget under control.

    For the ALP to be cutting Tertiary education like this can only mean the finances are in worse shape than Swan is telling us.

  394. April 13, 2013 6:36 pm

    Oblivion.

    Is that about the Labor party…?

  395. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 6:44 pm

    “I am not sure what a Tory is”

    Don’t worry Neil, neither do those using the term, evidently. Although this might give you an idea why they’re using it …

    In Australia, “Tory” is used as a pejorative term by members of the Australian Labor Party to refer to members of the conservative coalition Liberal and National parties.

  396. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 6:47 pm

    “Four stars from me.”

    That’s nice. Here’s my favourite Walken performance …

  397. April 13, 2013 6:56 pm

    Nice one, thanks for that IPA! 🙂

  398. April 13, 2013 7:03 pm

  399. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:12 pm

    ***Oblivion.

    Is that about the Labor party…?***

    Would seem ..

    I see IPA trotting out the old BS … so it must be true …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Don’t worry Neil, neither do those using the term, evidently. Although this might give you an idea why they’re using it …

    You STILL don’t get that’s WHY I used the term … bolshie, commie, socialist are also pejorative name calling … that I took offence too … NOW do you “get it” …

    Here’s a clue – let it go and I will …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why is it that tories are so thick when it come to sarcasm, satire and humour in general … the thought processes are so shallow … and even when offered an olive branch they will come back all guns blazing ’cause they think they’ve won a round …

  400. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:17 pm

    Why is it that leftie commie bolshevik socialists are always so grumpy?

  401. April 13, 2013 7:24 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Labor is making funding cuts to higher education…

    Shall we await the palpable outrage from the Gillard cheer squads…??

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:27 pm

    YEP I like Walken – didn’t place him … an actors actor! (ie very professional)

    I was privileged enough to be asked to develop an Advanced Diploma in Performing Arts … the graduates needed to be competent in acting, singing, comedy, business and —– circus …

    (I also developed a Diploma in Stage and Screen Acting … highlight – having Bill Hunter, who was a member of the required “committee” wrap an arm around me at lunch and say, “What ya havin’, TB” … Liddy Clark was on the same committee … )

    The only person I spoke to that didn’t believe you could develop a “competency” in performing arts was a university prof … convinced him in a week … luckily I can sing … as for all the other skills I’m dumb, dumb, dumb … watch people like Hugh Jackman … absolutely talented … in all areas – most have strengths in one and can “cope” with tothers …

    These people really are exceptional …

  403. April 13, 2013 7:29 pm

    The Federal Government has announced a $2 billion dollars cut to the university sector to help pay for Gonski.

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:29 pm

    Why is it that leftie commie bolshevik socialists are always so grumpy?

    HUMOUR! 😯

  405. April 13, 2013 7:30 pm

    The government will also scrap the 10 per cent discount given to students who pay their university fees upfront, saving $230 million.

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:30 pm

    The Federal Government has announced a $2 billion dollars cut to the university sector to help pay for Gonski.

    er, I know yer a busy little fiend but Kneel and I have covered it fer ya … earlier … 🙂

  407. April 13, 2013 7:39 pm

    oh ok… sorry…

  408. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:51 pm

    The admirable-sounding goal of more “kids” going to university is hard to disagree with. But are these “kids” getting value for money? Many of today’s uni courses, which incur HECS debts all the same, give no real advantage in the employment market.

    The tertiary education paradox

  409. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:55 pm

    For Neil: Pictures of Tories.

  410. April 13, 2013 8:04 pm

    ” saving $230 million.”
    Yeah a bit gob-smacked when l heard `that` on the news me`self reb. Joolya`s lot must be coming down with a dose of `surplus` panic, or feels the need to give some more welfare to the auto-makers. Joolya seems to lobbying for Mr-Rabbit these days.

  411. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 8:14 pm

    “The consensus, however, from the law enforcement and anti-doping and sporting community is that the federal government pushed the ACC to go too early and too hard.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/game-changer-20130412-2hr82.html#ixzz2QKxPPgbK

  412. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:05 pm
  413. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:09 pm

    Molly …

  414. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 12:29 am

    If you are going to Gold Class TB just remember you will be eating your snacks in the dark. Enjoy the nacos that you will end up wearinv and the bega cheese they charge $25 for.

    Personally I’d smuggle sandwiches and a better bottle of wine into the joint than the crap they serve up.

  415. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 12:34 am

    Ok

    Who of you knows how much extra salt I should put into Zataar to make manoush ?

    Australian pizza and bread is completely different to OS

    Internet recipes are all divided.

  416. April 14, 2013 1:08 am

    I agree with IPA @ 9:05 pm

  417. April 14, 2013 1:24 am

    Exploding head at the end of molly is explosive.

  418. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2013 9:32 am

    Pell to become advisor to the top catlick… dog’s man on earth.

  419. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2013 10:41 am

    So the government has decided to herd people into the HECS system by cutting the discount for paying fees.

    This government is a complete crock.

  420. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2013 11:50 am

    Barnaby chosen to win New England.

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 12:19 pm

    Many of today’s uni courses, which incur HECS debts all the same, give no real advantage in the employment market.

    I tend to agree, IPA, my own was an in-service degree (ie you had to be already working in the profession) …

    For some years now I have advocated that high school leavers be enrolled in a Commonwealth Service (similar to NS but not necessarily military – it could still be one option) … wildlife services, SES, bush fire service, eco projects, simple labouring jobs … to give them a breathing space and a chance to experience some work skills before deciding what direction to take … might give a sense of belonging to a community too …

    … as a reward for “serving the nation” study fees (in nationally recognised courses) could be waived for two years or discounted …

    … I also think that the age for apprenticeships should be lowered (again) … the search for higher education at a developing age may be a nice intellectual goal but it is not practical in the real world …

    Having said that … the statistics will also furnish you with evidence that the group with degree educations will, generally, over a lifetime earn more than those without …

  422. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 2:15 pm

    Can’t understand why Labor is cutting University Education. Traditionally Labor parties all around the world do not care about debt. They put spending on the credit card.

    We are sovereign in our own currency and if we need more money we can just print more or so leftoids keep telling me.

  423. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 2:46 pm

    A SPECIAL EDUCATIONAL PRESENTATION FOR KNEEL AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE A BIT SHORT OF DOSH

    And Be Careful What You Wish For

    AUSTRALIANS could be sitting on a $300 billion sovereign wealth fund to rival the oil-rich nation of Kuwait if we had banked the budget windfall of the now deflating mining boom.

    Instead, exclusive modelling for News Limited reveals successive federal governments have squandered the lot – and then some – in tax cuts, handouts and stimulus spending.

    Most economists are tipping Labor’s fifth budget will reveal a budget still deep in deficit – by as much as $10 billion in 2013-14 – as revenues continue to disappoint.

    This is despite the mining boom delivering a $290 billion boost to the budget bottom line between 2003/4 to 2016/17, according to modelling by Canberra-based forecasting group Macroeconomics.

    The figure represents the difference between actual revenues and the revenues that would have been raised if there had been no commodity price boom.

    “That’s money that could have been banked,” according to Stephen Anthony, a former Treasury official now head of budget forecasting at Macroeconomics.

    Both sides of politics are to blame for the dire state of the budget today, Mr Anthony said.

    “First you have the Howard government which was fiscally a very good government until its final five years when it became the blue ribbon profligate government. It really set a new record for fiscal irresponsibility.”

    In its last five years, the Howard government spent $250 billion, including $133 billion in new spending and $117 billion in tax cuts.

    The Rudd/Gillard government has drained the budget of a further $81 billion, including $153 billion in new spending ($70 billion during the GFC) offset by tax increases of $72 billion.

    Veteran budget forecaster and director of Deloitte Access Economics, Chris Richardson, said the global financial crisis had blown a hole in government revenues, but Australia’s budget crisis had been a decade in the making.

    “During the good times we spent up big and then during the bad times we spent up big,” Mr Richardson said. “The budget is worse than people think it is and sadly for Australia it’s worse than the politicians think it is.”

    The chief economist at HSBC, Paul Bloxham, said “best practice globally” would have been to set up a sovereign wealth fund to stash the temporary revenue boost, like Chile did in 2007 with its copper revenue and Australia advised East Timor to do with its oil and gas.

    “We could have had better management of this very large gift of rising commodity prices we received from the rest of the world,” Mr Bloxham said, adding this year’s budget was likely to look “nasty”.

    The managing director of Market Economics and former economic adviser to the Prime Minister Julia Gillard, Stephen Koukoulas, expects the budget will reveal several years of deficits.

    “There’s just not the revenue coming through. We gave too much away, both sides. To build surpluses from here, things have got to be cut or taxes have got to be increased.”

    Mr Koukoulas is tipping a deficit of $10 billion in 2013-14 and about $5 billion the following year.

    Norway has the world’s biggest sovereign wealth fund, with $716 billion raised since 1990 from the country’s rich oil reserves.

    The Kuwait Investment Fund, established in 1953, is the world’s seventh largest at $342 billion.

    Australia’s Future Fund ranks 13th at $83 billion. Combined with the $290 billion from the mining boom, we could have bumped Kuwait for seventh place.

    http://m.news.com.au/TopStories/pg/0/fi1902200.htm

  424. IPA address permalink
    April 14, 2013 3:26 pm

    “successive federal governments have squandered the lot – and then some – in tax cuts, handouts and stimulus spending.”

    I knew before I hit the link that this article was written by economic ignoramus Jessica Irvine. Although I agree with her that stimulus spending was money squandered, for her to say the same about tax cuts – which, in effect, allow people to keep more of their own money – money they earned – to spend on their own prorities – is a product of the kind of leftist groupthink she imbibed during her time at Fairfax. Why the powers that be at News Ltd went after her beats the hell out of me.

  425. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 3:31 pm

    Costello did his bit. He was handed govt debt at 18% of GDP ($96B) and paid it all off. Furthermore he also put $80B in the Future Fund. The mining boom started in 2004 and in Costello’s last three budget he ran surplus budgets of $16B, $17B and $20B.

    Under Costello all the money from the mining boom was banked.

    Now Wayne Swan is a different matter. He has spent all the proceeds of the mining boom and then some

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 3:58 pm

    Chuckle … and I knew the apologists of the tories would pounce as quickly as they could …

    IPA, the article may be written by Irvine ,,, but the quotes are by others … all saying the same thing … why pick on the author? Look over there?

    Then this gem …

    Although I agree with her that stimulus spending was money squandered, for her to say the same about tax cuts

    And you obviously don’t understand tax, economic stimulus, porkbarrelling and fiscal budgets … or if you do you are making very odd comments …

    Kneel, under Costello all the money from the mining boom was banked, you really are a one eyed little monster, with obviously limited comprehension skills …

    “First you have the Howard government which was fiscally a very good government until its final five years when it became the blue ribbon profligate government. It really set a new record for fiscal irresponsibility.”

    In its last five years, the Howard government spent $250 billion, including $133 billion in new spending and $117 billion in tax cuts.

    The Rudd/Gillard government has drained the budget of a further $81 billion, including $153 billion in new spending ($70 billion during the GFC) offset by tax increases of $72 billion.>/i>

    Like I keep on saying … a pox on both their grubby, greedy little houses …

  427. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 4:00 pm

    My comment …

    Like I keep on saying … a pox on both their grubby, greedy little houses …

  428. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 4:02 pm

    You know it would really help if people could tell the truth. Someone is telling falsehoods

    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/homepage-speeches-articles/budget-in-reply-speech-labor-wasting-the-boom/

    According to the Treasury’s central case the resources boom delivered a revenue windfall of about $25 billion over the last three budgets delivered by Peter Costello. Those three budgets were in surplus by $53 billion so all of the income from the boom and more was banked, although Treasury’s central case estimate suggests the budget was in a small structural deficit in 2007-08. So much for claims that the Howard government blew the boom! While its last term could have been more disciplined, as my colleague Joe Hockey acknowledged on 18 May, there was nothing like the thoughtless orgy of frenzied spending and borrowing that we have seen under Labor

    I think this was a speech delivered to the House when Turnbull was Opposition leader. People would say he mislead the House if what he was saying is wrong.

  429. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 4:26 pm

    Someone is telling falsehoods

    😯

    Is this a breakthrough?

  430. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 4:30 pm

    Well Turnbull says this “so all of the income from the boom and more was banked,”

    You know I think it is possible to support one side of politics but not tell lies about the other side.

    Obviously for a lot of people this is not possible.

    I believe what Turnbull says and not the people in the article you posted.

  431. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2013 5:38 pm

    TB:I did vote for Anna bLie (as ihave called her for a number of years) but for one reason only … I hate landslide elections …

    Mmmmm? You didn’t answer my question, which was: “If you lived in NSW would you have voted Labor last election? Be honest with us now.” I just wonder if you would ever not vote Labor? Your excuse for voting for Blight is creative, I’ll give you that. Still I found a a way to justify voting Greens a couple of times, something I won’t do again.

    I reckon I have a much more diverse voting record. That is because when I say a “pox on both houses” I mean it and where I think they are both bad, I vote for the one not in power because I know already what the ones in power will do, whereas with then other lot there is always hope that they will be better.

    I hear your incessant “Robber Barons” catchcry, and I well recall Howard doing favours for Manildra and the company his brother was a director of, but I can’t recall anything on the scale of the NSW Labor/union mining rort – $100m. Educate me here!

    I think this government has done serious damage to the economy. I’m not sure Hockey is of the same calibre as Keating or Costello (in fact I’m sure he is not) so I don’t know if the Libs will fix it. But I hope at least that they will do less damage than Swan.

  432. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 6:05 pm

    Mmmmm? You didn’t answer my question, which was: “If you lived in NSW would you have voted Labor last election? Be honest with us now.”

    I don’t live in NSW … I don’t care about Mexican politics … didn’t I say that?

    Your excuse for voting for Blight is creative

    Its not an excuse … its the reason … therefore NOT creative … mind reading skills …

    I reckon I have a much more diverse voting record.

    erm …

    I vote for the one not in power because I know already what the ones in power will do, whereas with then other lot there is always hope that they will be better.

    Do you gamble much? … I’ve spent a lifetime watching the quality of governments of both sides deteriorate into personal gratification and aggrandisement … you stick to your plan …

    I’ll stick to bucketing the lot of them …

    BTW I look forward to you assessment of Abbott & The Acolytes … should be fun …

    I hear your incessant “Robber Barons” catchcry. Educate me here!

    For the last time (and its incessant ’cause they are) … Robber Barons have been around for centuries … anyone who takes advantage of ordinary hardworking people, without thought for their actions but power, control, or $$$$$$$$$$$$ … and you know who the worst of those were in history … charlatans still live in our society … they need to brought down … capitalism allowed me to retire early … but the capitalism I see now is built on cheating, deception and arrogance …

    Hope all you want … its not going to change much …

    Just sayin’ …

  433. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 7:00 pm

    “I’ll stick to bucketing the lot of them …

    That is not what you said in 2007. I remember you motto “Prosperity with Integrity”

    The implication I got was that while we may have had prosperity with Howard/Costello we did not have integrity.

    We could only get integrity with an ALP govt according to you. You were very evangelical trying to convert people to vote ALP.

    You are now saying they are both as bad as each other. Perhaps you could make up your mind.

  434. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2013 8:58 pm

    “I’ll stick to bucketing the lot of them …”

    And always vote Labor?

    “Robber Barons have been around for centuries … anyone who takes advantage of ordinary hardworking people, without thought for their actions but power, control, or $$$$$$$$$$$$ “

    I knew it! We agree. The Robber Barons these days have names like Craig and Eddie and Eddie’s Left Testicle, and Rooter Wilson and Bill Ludwig and Michael Williamson and John Maitland. But I was hoping you could give me a few examples to top the NSW Labor ratpack’s $100m scam.

    “BTW I look forward to you assessment of Abbott & The Acolytes … should be fun …”

    I can guarantee that it will be both barrels where warranted and will not be qualified by a “look over there the other lot is just as bad” BS. I hated Howard, and still think that he is much worse than Gillard, and that is saying something. I know ‘hate’ is a strong term, but what he did in children overboard was utter bastardry – dehumanising people who would never get a chance to tell their side of the story.

  435. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 10:28 pm

    Neilsen Poll is out via the Ghost that Votes

    Primary is

    ALP 29
    Lnp49

    2pp

    ALP 43
    LNP 57

    PReferred PM

    Gillard 42

    Abbott 50

  436. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 10:33 pm

    Get your choctops and pop corn now because we are watching a political disaster

  437. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 10:38 pm

    So 43% of the population think this repulsive govt is worth voting for.

    This means that if a mad dictator was in charge of the Labor party, 43% of the Australian population would vote ALP.

  438. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 10:53 pm

    LOL

    Neil you seem suicicidal even if its good news for your side.

    Sorry I voted for Rudd in 07 and I was wrong.

    And you were right.

  439. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 11:08 pm

    People say the polls will narrow

    They didn’t in NSW or Qld or WA state elections

  440. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 14, 2013 11:23 pm

    Just watching Agenda on Skynews and Tony Sheldon cant be bothered to even shave before he goes to air.

    Obviously he has not shaved for quite a few days

    He just looks untidy

    Bizarre!

  441. el gordo permalink
    April 15, 2013 7:59 am

    ‘CONFIDENTIAL Liberal Party polling has exposed diving support for federal Labor in key Victorian seats with once unwinnable electorates for Tony Abbott turning against the ALP as voters reject Julia Gillard.

    ‘The polling shows the Liberal primary vote has surged to 48 per cent in the Melbourne seats of Chisholm and Bruce, with the two-party-preferred result in both seats at 56-44 per cent in favour of the Liberal Party.’

    John Ferguson in the Oz

  442. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2013 9:37 am

    That’s the bounce that Gillard has enjoyed snce getting the leadership settled. People now know they’re stuck with her as PM and they’ve turned further away from the ALP.

  443. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2013 9:45 am

    Reb, is that picture at the top of the post Gina & Ginia Rinehart?

  444. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2013 9:50 am

    ” if a mad dictator was in charge of the Labor party”

    You mean Bill.

  445. el gordo permalink
    April 15, 2013 10:54 am

    🙂 splatter

  446. el gordo permalink
    April 17, 2013 5:28 pm

    Why is the Fairfax stable going to the dogs?

    It prints propaganda on CC is one reason.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/04/17/budget-in-a-parallel-universe/

  447. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2013 7:34 am

    ‘The New Zealand Parliament voted to legalise same-sex marriage on Wednesday night, a move Australian campaigners said would encourage gay and lesbian couples to travel overseas to formalise their relationships.

    ‘The national director of Australian Marriage Equality, Rodney Croome, said as many as 1000 couples had indicated to his organisation they were prepared to travel to New Zealand to marry.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gay-marriage-becomes-legal-in-new-zealand-20130417-2i0xz.html#ixzz2Ql6UL8Cx

  448. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2013 9:05 am

    The other day I mentioned that four workmen in Agribusiness will be staying ay my place for three months early next year…. its now clear to see why.

    ‘Mr Pratt will say that feeding “a hungry world” will be Australia’s “greatest responsibility and opportunity in the 21st century”.

    “We can quadruple our exports to feed 200 million people,” he will tell today’s forum. “We can bring together rich natural resources, innovative research and development, smart investors and risk-taking farming and manufacturing entrepreneurs.”

    ‘Mr Pratt will argue that transitioning from a “mining boom” to a “dining boom” will require changes in competition laws to allow consolidation among rural companies….’

    Damon Kitney in the Oz

  449. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2013 11:04 am

    Jeff Goldstein: ‘The right-leaning blogosphere tends to be far more self-critical. It runs as a kind of far-flung debating society — or at least, it did. Lately there’s been pressure to coalesce around a given set of political narratives, to “rebrand,” which would follow the left-leaning model, under which messages are disseminated using a top down, “talking points” model.

    Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/apr/15/jeff-goldstein-difference-between-leftish-and-righ/#ixzz2Qlx3RbDk
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