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Ding Dong! The Bitch is Dead!

April 9, 2013

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Thousands of people around Britain are celebrating the death of the so-called “Baroness” Margaret Thatcher.

Shortly after her death was announced, a crowd of some three hundred revelers gathered in Glasgow’s George Square where many protests were held in response to Thatcher’s controversial poll tax.

Some wore party hats and launched streamers into the air while a bottle of champagne was opened with a toast to the demise of Baroness Thatcher.

Members of various organisations including the Anti-Bedroom Tax Federation, the Communist Party, the Socialist Party, the Socialist Working Party, the International Socialist Group, were joined by members of the public to mark the occasion.

Martin Chomsky, the lead singer of Chomsky Allstars, performed his song “So Long Margaret Thatcher” in George Square.

He said: “There are mixed emotions. I was never brought up to celebrate anyone’s death but the pain she brought to Latin America, Europe and around the world should be remembered.”

“I would rather that Thatcherism was dead because she is mostly to blame for what is going on today.”

“She is responsible, but not solely, for the massive gap between the rich and the poor.”

About 200 people gathered by St George’s Hall in Liverpool and a similar number met in Brixton, the scene of some of the worst rioting during Margaret Thatcher’s time as Prime Minister, to celebrate her demise.

Outside the Ritzy cinema, they played music and drank as a party atmosphere in the evening contrasted with the more respectful tone earlier in the day. They chanted: “Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, Dead, Dead, Dead”.

Saul Adamczewski, 24, from Camberwell, had a banner saying ‘the bitch is dead’. He said: “We are here for a celebration. I have never seen such a joyous atmosphere for someone’s death.

“She was so particularly evil and hated by everyone; there are 12-year-olds here. I wasn’t even alive to witness most of her reign but people are here because of the effects of it.

“It is the celebration of the end of a tyrant. And Brixton is the right place to do it.”

Jonny Middleton, 22, unemployed, from Essex, said: “No one is celebrating the death of a mother or a grandmother.

It is an opportunity to all get together and say ‘Maggie, you were an awful person’ and acknowledge that.”

 

 

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:26 am

    History will reflect positively on Thatcher, and is already.

    • Would Gorbachev have had the courage to reform without pressure from Thatcher (& Reagan)?
    • With heavily subsidised coal mining, what would the UK economy look like now?
    • With unions running the public instrumentalities, would the UK be more prosperous?

  2. April 9, 2013 10:40 am

    “History will reflect positively on Thatcher, and is already.”

    Clearly you didn’t grow úp in the UK in the 1970’s Tom..

    She was a fkn bitch. And will be remembered by many as such..

    No wonder people are celebrating.

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:43 am

    “She is responsible, but not solely, for the massive gap between the rich and the poor.”

    Yes. Without her there would be no gap. Everyone would be poor.

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:44 am

    Look at those misogynists out there with their “bitch” signs. Just waiting for an apoplectic explosion from the lefties. Might take a while.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:55 am

    I was in the UK few times in the 80s very regularly in her aftermath – during the 90s.

    I couldn’t stand Thatcher in those days, though I may have been misguided by my union/ALP orientation.

    I’m still not fond of her, I found her imperious manner very irritating, but if you reversed the range of economic reforms she introduced, the UK would be an even bigger basket case.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:57 am

    Yeah!!

    I suppose there will be the strongest condemnation of those “witch’ signs by all those ethical types at CW.

  7. April 9, 2013 11:00 am

    “I found her imperious manner very irritating,”

    Why do you have to drag Julia Gillard into every topic..!!

  8. April 9, 2013 11:48 am

    David Cameron: “I believe she’ll go down as the greatest British peacetime prime minister.”

    How can you say something like that when she went to war over the Falklands?

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 12:29 pm

    “How can you say something like that when she went to war over the Falklands?”

    Point taken. She was an excellent wartime leader as well!

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 1:35 pm

    My favourite is from Christopher Hitchens who gave Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell a great send-off when, at the time of his death, he said: “If you gave Falwell an enema he could be buried in a matchbox.”

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2013 1:51 pm

    Beats me why people from what is called “The left” are so full of hate. I don’t know much about Thatcher but since she gets the usual suspects upset she must have done something right.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 2:33 pm

    I’m still not fond of her, I found her imperious manner very irritating, but if you reversed the range of economic reforms she introduced, the UK would be an even bigger basket case.

    Prove it …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    David Cameron: “I believe she’ll go down as the greatest British peacetime prime minister.”

    The silver spoon must have got stuck somewhere …

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    I don’t know much about Thatcher … but …

    GMAFB!

    So keep you sticky hands of the keyboard and play your PS3 … look up poll tax – watch a movie – Brassed Off is a good start or The Full Monty … comedies but telling the story of a heartless government run by, Thatcher …

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 2:40 pm

    Not that Thatchers cutthroats had planned to incite any strikes of course …

    Ridley Plan

    The Ridley Plan (also known as the Ridley Report) was a 1974 report on the nationalised industries in the UK. The report was produced in the aftermath of the Heath government being brought down by the 1974 coal strike.

    It was drawn up by the right-wing Conservative MP Nicholas Ridley, a founding member of the Selsdon Group of free market Conservatives. In the report he proposed how the next Conservative government could fight, and defeat, a major strike in a nationalised industry.

    Ridley suggested contingency planning to defeat any challenge from trade unions:

    The government should if possible choose the field of battle.

    Industries were grouped by the likelihood of winning a strike; the coal industry was in
    the ‘middle’ of three groups of industries mentioned.

    Coal stocks should be built up at power stations.

    Plans should be made to import coal from non-union foreign ports.

    Non-union lorry drivers to be recruited by haulage companies.

    Dual coal-oil firing generators to be installed, at extra cost;

    ‘Cut off the money supply to the strikers and make the union finance them’.

    Train and equip a large, mobile squad of police, ready to employ riot tactics in order to uphold the law against violent picketing.

    These recommendations were leaked to The Economist and published on 27 May 1978.

    These tactics were successfully employed during the miners’ strike of 1984-85, when the National Union of Mineworkers was defeated by the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher was strongly influenced by other Selsdon Group members besides Ridley, such as Norman Tebbit and Alan Walters. The report had been leaked six years before by The Economist, the unions, especially the NUM, showed no interest in adapting or altering their own tactics in response.

    In Ridley’s view, trade union power in the UK was interfering with market forces, causing inflation, and therefore had to be checked to restore the “profitability” of the UK. He and others also saw it necessary to check union power in the aftermath of the fall of the Heath government in the face of the 1974 strikes.

    Break the unions, control the workers, control conditions and wages – make bigger and bigger profits at the expense of ordinary people – ROBBER BARONESS Thatcher …

    Beware what you wish for …

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 2:43 pm

    Neil, at the time she came to power the UK had been stuffed by union power, welfarism and inefficient nationalised industries. It was known at the time as “The British Disease”. The UK looked like it was completely trashed economically, not quite like Greece today, but not far off it either. Even the Tories were very ‘wet’ economically. Many countries had similar problems, but the pommies looked truly fucked-up.

    Thatcher presented as a proper Tory, was elected 3 times (so she can’t have been that widely hated) and either saved the country or destroyed the lives and livelihoods of many workers, depending on your point of view. To be fair, she probably did both. She had to be tough to smash the commie unions and that came at a great social cost. She was initially on board with global warming as an excuse to close the coal mines, bu eventually changed her mind on that.

    Interestingly, the same broad economic package of downsizing government, freeing up international trade and deregulating and privatising industries the government had no business being in was carried out by Regan in the US and by Labor parties in Australia (under Hawke and Keating) and in New Zealand (under David Lange and Roger Douglas). In essence the economic ideas drove the politics because they worked.

    The thing with Thatcher is that she was (and arguably needed to be) tough minded. The impact on coal workers and their families was tragic. There were riots when she replaced council rates with a poll tax. But there were a lot of riots then as the commies and other lefties lost a lot of power.

    Just as Labor here wants as many people on welfare as possible so that they will favour Labor, Thatcher tried to make as many people independent of government as possible. For example she sold a lot of public housing at low prices to the tenants.

    She also went to war to prevent the Falkland Islanders (who wanted to be ruled by Britain) from being taken over by the murderous Argentinian military junta of the time. This was fairly popular although a lot of people thought the Falklanders weren’t worth the cost. Given the recent discovery of oil in the area, it seems like a good decision on Thatcher’s part.

    Abbott was at Oxford at the time, and whereas Hawke distinguished himself with the Yard Glass, Abbott won a Blue for boxing and was seen leading pro-Thatcher marches.

    The reason the UK is as prosperous today as it is has a lot to do with Thatcher’s reforms. I guess others will say that they could have been done more humanely and with less social cost.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 3:12 pm

    So what TB? So Thatcher had a plan to win a dispute with the miners. Would it have been more sensible for not to have had a plan to continue to supply fuel?

    The coal mines were uneconomic and luddites like Arthur Scargill refused to contemplate a phase down, so it resulted in a crisis.

    All the hardship can be laid at the feet of Scargill, rather than Thatcher.

  16. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 3:23 pm

    In Australia we were lucky. Hawke had been president of the ACTU and was quite sane in understanding what had to be done to fix the economy. He negotiated an accord with the union movement to keep wage rates under control and lower inflation and implemented other reforms without the social dislocation the UK experienced. A few commo unions tried to oppose him but they had little public support.

    Unfortunately the Thatcher’s main union antagonist was the intellectually depraved moron and President of the National Union of Mineworkers, Arthur Scargill, who thought that the “ideas of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin” explain the “real world”. There was absolutely no prospect of any sane dealings with that vile idiot. He bears a lot more of the blame for the hardships inflicted on UK workers than does Thatcher.

    This also says a lot about the right/left distinction. Although constantly labeled by ignorant fools as extreme right wing, Thatcher was close to the centre unlike the idiot commo Scargill, who was way out there on the looney left. In Australia today he would no doubt be a Green, like Lee Rhiannon, or maybe an ALP left faction senator like Doogie Cameron.

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 3:31 pm

    Should those coal mines still be open?

    Arthur Scargill wouldn’t contemplate compromise or closure, he just demanded that the taxpayer keep kicking in funds to prop up coal mines that were a couple of decades past their use by dates

    Remember him saying – “they’re not our jobs, they’re the jobs of our children” Scargill would still have had youth of Britain still working in Yorkshire coal mines! That’s the mentality of the unions that were opposed to Thatcher.

    The nationalised coal mines relied on government subsidy for survival. Is subsidising an inefficient coal mine good use of government funds?

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 4:38 pm

    Just as Labor here wants as many people on welfare as possible so that they will favour Labor …

    Bollocks … 1950’s thinking … as many of your rants are … the ALP is as “commercially” oriented as the Liberals …

    He bears a lot more of the blame for the hardships inflicted on UK workers than does Thatcher. Equal …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Should those coal mines still be open?

    Nor, should Australia’s using the same criteria, (Thatcher, used cleaner, more reliable energy source (obviously nuclear waste wasn’t an issue – they planned to dump it in Australia at one stage) … wonder if Tony Abbott will shut ’em down … he’s a Thatcher fan …

    The nationalised coal mines relied on government subsidy for survival. Is subsidising an inefficient coal mine good use of government funds?

    I'd argue that too, some of the mines were profitable … but they were shut down as well … the aim was to build nuclear plants … and bust the unions of course …

    Scargill was a wanker – no doubt … the (IR) pendulum just continues to swing backwards and forwards … its all about sharing or not sharing the profits, greed, control, power on bth sides … its never changed …

    Thatcher's gone and Scargill won't be far behind … must be in his late 70's early 80's now (don't think he's dead – I stand to be corrected …)

    Era is dead, in the UK and gone … 'tis now the 21st Century … time to move on …

  19. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 9, 2013 5:50 pm

    “… the ALP is as “commercially” oriented as the Liberals … ”

    What……. a monopoly NBN

    Pink Batts in ceilings…………?

    Record government expenditure “crowding out” the private investment

    457 Visa overhaul despite Bowen claiming last year the system was working just dandy with the only instances of rorting by Australian entities now being 2 pizza cooks and a handful of security guards. But under the ALP all businesses now suffer so it can play the redneck card

    Draft proposals to populate the North using mainly private investment slammed by the ALP

    Rushing the original mining tax with NO consultation with the mining industry

    “Commercially orientated” ?………………..

    ……………………….Rubbish

    Who are you trying to kid ?

  20. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2013 6:01 pm

    “Commercially orientated” ? …….

    Of course it is – just ask Michael Williamson or John Maitland or Eddie Obeid (or his Left Testicle).

  21. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2013 6:27 pm

    The idea of developing the north should become more attractive as time goes by, but I reckon the government has no vision and joolya is a total left brainer.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 6:34 pm

    I’ll start again! Just lost my reply and wasn’t going to bother but the BS just pisses me off!

    What……. a monopoly NBN

    And still a monopoly by the LibNits but YOU will PAY to connect node to the door …

    Pink Batts in ceilings…………?

    Meaning?

    Record government expenditure “crowding out” the private investment

    Meaning what no excessive profits at the expense of ordinary folk? Or the government propping up banks during the initial stages of the GFC with guarantees that the people would need to honour … while the Big Four greedily “acquired’ the last vestiges of real competition from the smaller banks and lenders … hypocrisy … Robber baron mentality supported by the dumb ALP government … and perpetrated by LibNit supporters like you …

    457 Visa overhaul despite Bowen claiming last year the system was working just dandy and it probably was LAST year until it was abused by companies … anyone with half a brain should know by now that Australia has some of the highest training and assessment standards in the world … despite LibNit attempts to water them down … third and second world countries are nowher near our standars … and at least one first world country … the USA!

    Draft proposals to populate the North using mainly private investment slammed by the ALP

    And I for one can’t understand WHAT the purpose is to draw Murdoch, Twiggy and Gina (sic) to the NT … what have they found that they can EXPLOIT!

    Rushing the original mining tax with NO consultation with the mining industry

    erm, that’s BS … it was BECAUSE of the CONSULTATION that and the Gillard coup that it was CHANGED to become a dud … and FYI … after paying taxes in this country for over 50 years NO-ONE EVER consulted me … nor was I consulted by the LIBERAL NATIONAL COALITION government in 1962 Menzies… when they first went to VN … 1970 Gorton Liberal when I was conscripted nor 1971 McMahon Liberal or 1972 Whitlam Labor when I was discharged …

    Governments should be for the country … not the fkn Robber Barons and their wannabes …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course it is – just ask Michael Williamson or John Maitland or Eddie Obeid (or his Left Testicle).

    Or Noddy Newman or Joh BP … the list is endless and biparfknpartisan … you drongos!

    And you lot just support the national pillage and rape … incredible!

  23. Wapping permalink
    April 9, 2013 6:43 pm

    Look over there.

  24. April 9, 2013 7:44 pm

    Talcum’s on the 730 report talking up the copper network..

    There’s gotta be votes in that… 🙄

  25. April 9, 2013 7:50 pm

    Talcum’s mounting a very good argument as to why Labor’s fibre plan, rather than copper, is a better alternative…

    Thanks for that Talcum.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 7:58 pm

    Talcum’s on the 730 report talking up the copper network..

    If he can sleep at night he must grind his teeth a lot … and mumble, “fkn Abbott … fkn Howard!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve been to Wapping … I couldn’t understand a word they said … 🙂

    BTW, Wap, most posters here don’t get sarcasm, satire or cynicism … seems its “below” them … apparently after 45 years in the workforce I should still be working ’cause I pick up a bit of MY (taxed for) pension … and no compensation for being picked for cannon fodder neither … what fkn ignorant morons we have to live with …

    Almost makes My Kitchen Rules palatable …

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:00 pm

    Turnbull vs Conroy

    Who would win the IQ test?

    I thought Turnbull did a reasonable job in explaining that the job of government is to provide infrastructure for the foreseeable future.

    Mind you, I’m not too keen on a $30bn price tag.

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:00 pm

    Talcum’s mounting a very good argument as to why Labor’s fibre plan, rather than copper, is a better alternative…

    And here’s me thinking only the ALP pollies had to toe the line … *sarc …

    He must be spewin’ …

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:02 pm

    Wapping – how contentious!! An archaic printing plant closed, and a new one opened – under a union agreement with high wages!

    A shocking outrage.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:07 pm

    Who would win the IQ test?

    Fair question … Conroy is a real twit … Turnbull really is PM material …

    Mind you, I’m not too keen on a $30bn price tag.

    Get over it … the project is 15-20 years! And if you’re going to do it, do it properly! FttH … not FttN … I’m trying to think of an analogy …

    OK … so the node is at the end of your street … so it means that you have to pay to get the road built to your house … ’cause if you don’t you can’t get your car to your home … so you have to walk but if other people don’t pay your buggered … and it SLOWS you down …

    I notice the wi-fi, 3G, 4G argument has disappeared too …

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:08 pm

    A shocking outrage.

    But for whom?

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:11 pm

    BTW, sreb, I think you were a bit harsh with 7:30 last night … you don’t do that to splatterbum for his constant raging (and foul language) about COMMUNISTS, or, ToM for his constant ranting about UNIONS BOO!

    Fair’s fair … 7:30 is one of the few who take on the right wing ranters here …

  33. April 9, 2013 8:12 pm

    “Wapping” what even is that…?

    Is it a “place?”

    Who lives there…?

    How long has this being going on?

    Why wasn’t I told…??

  34. April 9, 2013 8:19 pm

    “I think you were a bit harsh with 7:30 last night ”

    Fair comment…

    But you’ll forgive me if comments that simply consist of “teabag” “teabag” “teabag” repeated ad nauseum, become a bit tiresome after a while.

    I was getting to the point where I was just scrolling past 730’s comments because they no longer made any lucid sense (and I have a limited attention span at the best of times*), so I imagine it was becoming tiresome for others too…

    I have no issue with differing opinions, but if the best someone can do – on a painfully ongoing basis – is to just say “teabags” over and over again, then I’m (not) sorry that’s going to become a bit tiresome after a while..

    *What was the question again?

  35. outlander permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:22 pm

    God, help us, we were gonna get something new that was state of the art…ish and libs will give us something secondrate. That copper that’s in the ground must have paid for itself time and time again. Ripping it up doesnt acheive a great deal, leave it there, it might come in handy. The main downfall of fibre and wireless is unless a battery is running the show it fails with no power. Even if there is a battery it will go flat and someone will forget to get a new one. Copper is fine when the powers off. Those old socialist ways when the government owned the utillities had advantages, but we’re fucked now, governments can’t sell these things quick enough. My nana used to say, once they’ve sold of the utillities and the public assets the government will have nothing left to govern. If they do build the NBN as originally planned it will be worth shitloads, and worth selling. If they go cheap it’s not going to be worth much. Last years model car once driven out the showroom is worth less than half.

  36. April 9, 2013 8:33 pm

    Yes, but thank god the bitch is dead…!

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:42 pm

    *What was the question again?

    LOL!

    Its just that others here become tiresome with constant BS rants that go on for ever and each sentence has to be challenged because of the BS … that;s fkn tiresome … the alternative is to let it go and junior twits like Kneel … go on to fkn QUOTE the BS!

    Yes, but thank god the bitch is dead…!

    Hear! Hear! Us Northern lads know whot ‘tothers only play with – unfortunately – can you imagine the furore in Oz … if the LibNits – when they gain power – suddenly decide that its not in the “national interest” to mine coal or iron ore, no more?

    The place would erupt! Unless you’ve been there you really don’t know … I remember the despair in my family as the woollen mills started closing …

    If they do build the NBN as originally planned it will be worth shitloads, and worth selling.

    Yer right OL, but lets hope they don’t !

    I wonder if all the right wihingers here play Monopoly? …

  38. outlander permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:47 pm

    Those Brixton riots over the poll tax were a complete beat up. My freinds in Brixton that were their said there was more trouble at chucking out time at the pub. That story that did the rounds about a bobbies head put on a stick was an urban myth. The current situation looks much the same, however the vat went ahead and now it’s 20%. Guess that’s where we’re headed after Sept 14.

  39. April 9, 2013 9:13 pm

    “Those Brixton riots over the poll tax were a complete beat up”

    This is true.

    In much the same way as these ones were all media beat-ups too…

  40. April 9, 2013 9:16 pm

    “My freinds(sic) in Brixton”

    Is that like, “outlander’s mates…?”

  41. April 9, 2013 9:33 pm

    If ever there was a manifestation of Orwell’s prediction that there would be a boot stamping on a human face “forever” it was embodied in “Thatcherism”. Thank god she’s dead. Good riddance.

  42. outlander permalink
    April 9, 2013 9:48 pm

    Reb I’ve spent a bit of time in Brixton in the 90’s, my freinds have since move on. It’s quite trendy these days. Tried to score some pot one day on Railton rd. (where the so called riots were)and that turned out to be lawn clippings…Yeh, that was good grass….tea total now.
    They were dead beats on Railton rd, they would have rioted if the pubs were shut.

  43. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:30 pm

    Gillard the fucking low life grub compared herself “as a woman leader ” to Thatcher today.

    What a fucking scum covered grub and a disgrace our PM is , that is the true comparison.

    Every time I see that filth of a PM we have I feel like projectile vomiting until my stomach turns inside out.

  44. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:41 pm

    TB as usual just throws up Robber barons into every post he makes.

    Tea bags come to mind

    That seems to be the only argument he has.

    The NBN was created by Labor. Don’t try and blame it on the LNP

    What 457 problems are you aware of then. You seem to be prepared to dismiss it. Why.

    Oh and how did people like me somehow facilitate the takeover of Bankwest and St George.

    Where did that brainfart accusation of yours come from.

    Swan approved it you nutcase.

    Did Dan Murphy have WT on special today ?

  45. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 9, 2013 10:45 pm

    That’s amusing

    I’m in moderation whilst others celebrate the death of another.

    How quaint of the Left

  46. outlander permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:22 am

    There was never a riot invovling the poll tax in Brixton.
    There was a demonstration in Brixton.
    It was a beat up. It’s not on wiki’s list of riots. It never happened.
    There was a poll tax riot in Central London that turned ugly.
    There have been a couple of riots over race and poverty in Brixton.
    Everyone associtates Brixton=Riot.
    200 people turn up in Brixton to celibrate Thatchers death, out of a population of 8 million, must be a riot.
    Those 3 in the picture look like the inteligencia you share a common bond of hatred with. I get it you hate the lady.
    Yeh, I know my spelling sucks, you don’t have to rub it in and make me feel (sic).

  47. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 7:28 am

    Thankfully I have never lived in the United Kingdom, so I have not had to experience Thatcherism directly, but I do sympathize with those that had to. For Australians, I suspect Thatcher and Reagan have really shown the path for the Palin Types that have dragged the conservative side of politics into lunacy, which leaves the central or ‘soft’ conservatives, of the Fraser style, with nobody to vote for or represent them.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:55 am

    If there is one thing “the left” can be relied on to do, it’s put a favourable gloss on Gillard’s racism and redneck appeal, while condemning Abbott for the same thing.

    Miglo, Min etc are hilarious – in condemning Abbott on asylum seekers, while remaining silent on Gillard. The contortions of logic are great entertainment.

  49. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:57 am

    “can you imagine the furore in Oz … if the LibNits – when they gain power – suddenly decide that its not in the “national interest” to mine coal or iron ore, no more?”

    That is virtually Greens policy ….. and Gillard would go along with it if it bought her another term …. and you would either applaud it or say “look over there” …. and Paul Howes would say OK but not one job can go … and sure enough he would not be able to see any job losses at all when the mines closed.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 8:58 am

    Fraser wasn’t central or soft. He was just self-seeking and dishonest. His attempts to rebuild his image since leaving office have me putting my fingers down my throat.

  51. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:10 am

    ” self-seeking and dishonest ”
    yomm, self-serving and dishonest describes most members of the duopoly, and politicians generally through the ages, but more of the voters would prefer a `Fraser-era` choice over the current-era looney choice, which is moving very close to fascism.

  52. April 10, 2013 9:19 am

    An interesting article on life under Thatcher…

    “Pensioners were the worst hit. The proportion living below the poverty line rose from 13% to 43%. Child poverty more than doubled. The former Tory minister, Sir Ian Gilmour, succinctly summed up the Thatcher/Major years: “The sacrifice imposed on the poor produced nothing miraculous except for the rich.” The rich saw their tax rates fall from 83% to 40%”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-policies-poor-society?CMP=twt_gu

  53. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:34 am

    l`ve read a similar story on Reagan ages ago reb. Big tax breaks for the rich, rights and benefits removed from the workers. The yanks didn`t have much in the of welfare, but there was a steady increase in crimes. This is pretty much the LNP template.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:45 am

    TB as usual just throws up Robber barons into every post he makes.

    Because The Robber Barons and wannabes are real and still making profit out of greed and corruption … some people want to help them along … me … I want the bastards in jail … make a profit but not at the expense of other people …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    An interesting article on life under Thatcher…

    And they’re doing so well now in the UK … well done, Maggie … and David of course … 🙄

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:46 am

    “This is pretty much the LNP template.”

    If only.

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 9:56 am

    The UK was and remains a country where politics is largely driven by perceived ‘class’

    There is no similar sentiment in Australia, other than that currently pushed by Gillard and Swan, for their own political interests.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:51 am

    There is no similar sentiment in Australia …

    Don’t you believe it … according to quite a few here, the UNIONS BOO! are running the country – what right do thay have to do that? Should be down’t mines or drivin’t trucks where they belong! Leave politics to we private school Christian LADS

    Plenty people still have their heads up their arses in Oz, ToM, donchu worry ’bout that 😉

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:07 am

    No TB, unlike the UK there is very little tradition of ‘class’. The elite suburbs are mainly populated with real estate developers, retailers made good, legal or accounting partners. The social pages here are full of soapie stars and footballers.

    This is the Australian elite, and it has little to do with any traditional class structure.

    Any developing class structure is being encouraged by the ALP through-
    *The class war nonsense identified by Ferguson, Crean etc,
    *The shocking bipartisan commitment to the wealth favouring HECS
    *The creation of an underclass of asylum seekers for political expediency.

  59. Joe Toobad permalink
    April 10, 2013 12:27 pm

    ” very little tradition of ‘class’. The elite”
    Total bullshit as usual yomm. There is very few countries in the world that does not have an in-built class system within the tax system. Look at all the corporate welfare too. So many financial loop-holes, breaks, benefits and havens that only the wealthy can access, not the worker or poor. When wars are declared by the wealthy against another nation, it is the poor and workforce `drafted` to go do the dying and bleeding. The Bush-era USA senators only had ONE child in Iraq/Afghan out of the lot of them.

  60. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:31 pm

    Just imagine for a moment what would have happened to those celebrating and writing about how wonderful the death of Thatcher is if

    Nicola Roxon’s legislation banning “hurtful ” comments was in force in the UK.

    Everyone has the right to be an arsehole at times . Whether they are an arsehole depends on your pov.

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:06 am

    Gotta love it:

    Paul Bongiorno tweets:

    WHEN in strife invade the Falklands. Maybe Gillard could look for a target before September.

    JC tweets:

    YOU illiterate moron, Argentina invaded the Islands, not the UK. Christ, you’re a nitwit. No wonder Channel 10 is broke.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:14 am

    These days no one is seriously suggesting-
    *Reopening of Yorkshire coal mines
    *Returning to employment of typesetters, and printing presses
    *Handing citizens to another country against their will

    Coal miners, Wapping and the Falklands are the main reasons the left hate Thatcher, but they wouldn’t now reverse any of those policies (with the possible exception of the Falklands)

    People hate Thatcher for her manner, her disdain for alternatives. She didn’t seek to align interests, she sought to divide them.

    They’re also the reasons people can’t stand Gillard.

  63. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:20 am

    “……….the left hate Thatcher, but they wouldn’t now reverse any of those policies (with the possible exception of the Falklands)”

    Not sure about that ToM………

    http://rt.com/op-edge/falkland-islands-oil-argentina-101/

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:30 am

    By the way, those who prattle on about a class system here have obviously never ventured far beyond their suburb.

    Australia has a social hierarchy based on income/wealth, all of which are accessible to just about anyone who obtains the wealth/income.

    Social pages aren’t full of the granddaughters of a deceased duke, they’re full of photos of My Kitchen Rules contestants, footballers and cafe owners.

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 10:39 am

    …and I mean real cafes, ones where people drink coffee, not cloistered/sequestered ones that pretend they’re in a cellar, or something.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2013 2:10 pm

    A nice piece on the modern British Disease. It has some local resonance:

    Margaret Thatcher solved our chronic industrial relations problem by the simple expedient of getting rid of industry. This certainly worked, and perhaps was inevitable in the circumstances, but it was necessary to find some other way of making our way in the world. This we have not done.
    …….

    Although we spend four times as much on education per head as in 1950, the illiteracy rate has not gone down.
    ….

    The product of a pleasure-hating Scottish Presbyterian tradition, he [Gordon Brown] behaves as if taxation were a moral good in itself, regardless of the uses to which it is put; he is widely believed to have taken lessons in how to smile, though he has not been an apt pupil, for he now makes disconcertingly odd grimaces at inappropriate moments. He is the only leader known to me who combines dourness with frivolity.
    ………

    No words of mine can adequately convey the contempt in which the Conservatives are now, rightly, held by almost everyone. I do not recall meeting anyone who thinks that David Cameron, their leader, is anything other than a careerist in the mold of Tony Blair. The most that anyone allows himself to hope is that, beneath the thin veneer of opportunism, there beats a heart of oak. …. Not truth, but the latest poll, has guided him—at a time when only truth will serve. However, he will be truly representative as prime minister. Like his country, he is quite without substance.

  67. IP Address permalink
    April 11, 2013 2:22 pm

    Friedman on Thatcher …

    ‘France was suffering from the same ills when Mitterrand was elected president as Britain when Mrs. Thatcher became prime minister and the United States when Ronald Reagan became president—high and rising inflation, high unemployment and slow economic growth. Mitterrand’s attack on those ills was precisely the reverse of Mrs. Thatcher’s. On coming into office, Thatcher reduced taxes; Mitterrand increased them. Thatcher reduced controls over prices and wages; Mitterrand expanded them. Thatcher eliminated foreign-exchange controls; Mitterrand made them tighter. Thatcher moved to denationalize enterprises and reduce regulation, Mitterrand nationalized private banks and other enterprises and increased government intervention into the remaining private enterprise. Thatcher tried to hold down government spending, albeit with little success; Mitterrand went on a spending binge.

    ‘Had the Mitterrand policies succeeded, even if for only a year or so, Thatcher’s opposition in Britain would have been enormously strengthened. The Labor Party would have had a real alternative to offer—one that was consistent with its ideological propensities and that had worked on the other side of the Channel. The cry that Thatcher’s “monetarism” was a tragic failure could not have been dismissed as mere campaign rhetoric.

    ‘Instead, the Mitterrand policy was a clear failure. Inflation remained high. Unemployment went up. The government’s budget deficit soared. So did the deficit in the balance of payments. The franc had to be devalued three times in the past two years, despite massive government borrowing in a vain attempt to prop the franc up. Worst of all for Thatcher’s opposition, Mitterrand was forced to reverse course. The U-turn occurred across the Channel as the French government was driven to adopt the much-derided Thatcher policies.’

    http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/144256

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:19 pm

    Yes, that was during my youth. Booing Thatcher in the UK, cheering Mitterrand in France. PASOK won the election in Greece.

    Hindsight proves that frugal/ market economics pays dividends in the longer term.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2013 4:33 pm

    Hindsight proves that frugal/ market economics pays dividends in the longer term

    I’d agree with that – if it were actually practised by business and government …

    http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-09-25/commentary/34056601_1_dow-skyrockets-stock-market-djia

    … have you been on Earth for the last six years?

  70. IPAddress permalink
    April 11, 2013 7:34 pm

    Black on Thatcher …

    ‘When Margaret Thatcher was narrowly elected prime minister in 1979 over James Callaghan, the United Kingdom was on daily audit from the International Monetary Fund, currency controls prevented the removal of more than a few hundred pounds from the country, top corporate and personal income-tax rates were 80 and 98 percent, and those who had the temerity and persistence to enjoy a capital gain (which was hard to come by in Britain in that economic climate) were apt to enjoy the exaltation of soul generated by an effective tax rate of over 100 percent. The entire economy was in the hands of an intellectually corrupt, Luddite trade-union confederation, which chose most of the delegates to any conference of the governing Labour party, and whose shop stewards and craft-unit heads could shut down an entire industry in mid-contract for any reason, from an individual work grievance to the sour grapes generated by a poor round of darts in their local pub (on working hours).

    ‘In the year preceding the 1979 election, in what became known as “the winter of discontent,” almost every industry in the country had been shut down by capricious strikes, including the airports, trains, electric power, coal mines, garbage collection, and undertaking. The captains of industry and finance in the City, the style-setters in Mayfair and the West End, the doyennes of Bloomsbury and Knightsbridge, and the denizens of the chancelleries and ministries of Belgravia and Westminster huddled in the cold and dark, dead or alive. Government-owned operations, from the steel industry to the airports, were a cesspool of inefficiency and, in the private sector, large numbers of fictitious jobs were salaried and the proceeds went as sinecures to union favorites or into a pot to be divided at the pleasure of the union bosses. It fell to Margaret Thatcher to redeem Britain from the slough of despond and lassitude in which it had been totally immersed by overindulgence of the workers’ leaders in guilt over the inequalities of British life.’

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/345054/margaret-thatcher-1925-2013-conrad-black?pg=1

  71. April 12, 2013 9:41 am

    very funny! 🙂

  72. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 12, 2013 9:48 am

    “Clever grafitti”

    Yes but not very original.

    That saying is a takeoff of what was said of the Irish born Duke of Wellington when he died. He was largely seen as a traitor to the “Irish cause” as he had obviously enlisted in the not so popular English Army.

  73. April 12, 2013 10:01 am

    clever grafitti
    Yes, very Good. The article gets pretty good too, here is the excellent end,
    .
    “”Ideologically, the left has adequately countered the rationale for Thatcherism. (any_tbagism) But organisationally and strategically it has failed to establish the wherewithal to respond adequately to it and, electorally, it has failed to convince enough people of its alternatives.””

    ” The trouble isn’t just that some people can’t get over her agenda; it’s that many are still going through it and have yet to find a way to get round it.”
    **
    and this is what is stuffing it up for 40% or more of us
    (great find TB, thanks)

  74. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 12, 2013 10:10 am

    I forgot to mention the Duke of Wellington was known as the “Iron Duke”

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 10:37 am

    I forgot to mention the Duke of Wellington was known as the “Iron Duke”

    … and a hero of mine in my younger days … I’m also a big fan of the Sharpe series, starring Sean Bean – coincidentally a Yorkshireman too … a welder by trade, I believe …

    But did you notice you were the only grumpy, old miserable, post here – again, Wally …?

    And the share markets are doing so well …

  76. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 12, 2013 10:44 am

    “But did you notice you were the only grumpy, old miserable, post here – again, Wally …?”

    A hint of jealousy obviously

  77. IPA address permalink
    April 12, 2013 10:53 am

    Steyn on Thatcher …

    ‘Old British friends say to me, well, say what you like about the 1970s – nothing worked; if you wanted to buy a new car, it was as if post-war rationing was still in effect – but all the same life in the village seemed a lot more pleasant back then. There’s something to this: the benign side of oppressive statism is often a kind of public restraint. And more than a few folks seem to feel, with the benefit of hindsight, that it’s better to have unionised thugs nutting scabs on the picket line than freelance yobs in hideous leisurewear infesting ersatz-American high streets catering to their every frightful whim from one end to the other. For the modern liberal, this is a new dilemma: an underclass that’s too rich.’

    http://www.steynonline.com/42/the-nightmare-years

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2013 10:58 am

    Was that graffiti written by a New Zealander?

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:01 am

    Benign Stalinism seems like a nice lifestyle. What’s the red like?

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:16 am

    “Ideologically, the left has adequately countered the rationale for Thatcherism. “

    The left was the reason for Thatcherism. They had completely fucked the country. Britain had a terminal case of the British Disease and the people voted for a Thatcher government three times even while experiencing the hardships occasioned by her cure.

    The entire economy was in the hands of an intellectually corrupt, Luddite trade-union confederation, which chose most of the delegates to any conference of the governing Labour party, and whose shop stewards and craft-unit heads could shut down an entire industry in mid-contract for any reason, from an individual work grievance to the sour grapes generated by a poor round of darts in their local pub (on working hours).

    In the year preceding the 1979 election, in what became known as “the winter of discontent,” almost every industry in the country had been shut down by capricious strikes, including the airports, trains, electric power, coal mines, garbage collection, and undertaking. The captains of industry and finance in the City, the style-setters in Mayfair and the West End, the doyennes of Bloomsbury and Knightsbridge, and the denizens of the chancelleries and ministries of Belgravia and Westminster huddled in the cold and dark, dead or alive. Government-owned operations, from the steel industry to the airports, were a cesspool of inefficiency and, in the private sector, large numbers of fictitious jobs were salaried and the proceeds went as sinecures to union favorites or into a pot to be divided at the pleasure of the union bosses.

    If the left hadn’t been so stupid and so rotten, if they had some sense of responsibility to the rest of society, or some basic understanding that you have to generate wealth in order to be able to spend it then there would have been no need to elect someone so polarising as Thatcher. But the winter of discontent that preceded Thatcher’s election, and the helplessness of the Labour government in the face of greedy parasitical unions, made it clear that strong leadership was required. The people had had enough. They did not want the economy reduced to a 3 day work week and live in garbage-ridden streets and they wanted to be able to bury their dead. They didn’t like seeing their country as a destitute basket case.

    This is an argument for moderation. It shows what happens when the balance swings too far in one direction. If anyone is to blame for Thatcher’s rise to power it is the leftists who fucked up the country in the first place. In particular, the miners have no one but themselves to blame. They elected a Stalin-worshiping communist as their leader and followed him to their bitter defeat.

  81. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:17 am

    Was that graffiti written by a New Zealander?

    Nup. It would have been had it said “piss”.

  82. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:21 am

    Isn’t it funny the way constituents keep electing Governments that the Left label as cruel and racist.

  83. IPA address permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:44 am

    Williamson on Thatcher …

    ‘And she seemed to be having so much fun. That, I think, is what they never forgave her for. Thatcher laughed at them, mocked them, outwitted and out-debated them. That infuriated the Left: Conservatives aren’t supposed to mock, they are supposed to be mocked. They might be allowed to win a few elections, but they could never be allowed to win the argument, much less to scoff at liberals’ public pieties.’

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/344979/thatcher-was-right-left-was-wrong-kevin-d-williamson

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 11:46 am

    A hint of jealousy obviously

    LOL! Something I don’t experience these days, I can definitely assure you!

    I see the packs gangs all here with repetition ad nausem al la 1930 …

    You lot must move on … into the 21st Century … LG!

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2013 12:01 pm

    Thatcher forced the British Labour Party to reform itself. It is now a more broadly based organisation than our version.

  86. April 12, 2013 12:24 pm
  87. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2013 1:41 pm

    How do they determine No 1’s these days … it used to be on single record sales and then surveys as people purchased CD’s … must be on downloads now?

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2013 7:04 pm

    Can you blame them … ? She would have got a state funeral with a Labour government too … the people DO have to make a fkn stand eventually …

  89. April 13, 2013 7:10 pm

    “Can you blame them “

    Not at all. In fact I’d be joining them.

    Never could stand her. David Cameron is out of the same mould..

  90. April 13, 2013 9:05 pm

    ” Protesters plan to line the streets by St Paul’s Cathedral on Wednesday so they can “turn their backs” on Baroness Thatcher’s casket, it can be revealed.”
    .
    The protesters wish to “get their money’s worth” from the funeral, which will be paid for in part by the state.
    .
    But should this openness to public criticism be extended to her mourners?

    “Yes, if they chose to make her funeral a public hagiographic affair, exempt of all criticism, funded from the public purse.”
    .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9987976/Margaret-Thatcher-funeral-protesters-plan-to-line-streets-and-turn-their-backs-on-casket.html
    .
    great link reb, the Tories haven`t buried a mistake this big since Reagan bit the dust

  91. IPA address permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:33 pm

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2013 9:45 pm

    Maggie was magnificent.

  93. outlander permalink
    April 14, 2013 12:12 am

    And so it goes, the poor say how hard things are.
    The working class fighting for better pay and conditions.
    The middle class capitalising on their good fortune.
    and TB’s robber barrons planing how to make more money with less effort.
    On Sept 14 who are the winners will it be A…B…C…or D.
    The pendulum swings, A,B,C and D shuffle around a bit.
    Instead of one lot ranting and raving it will the next lot ranting and raving and so on.
    And us lot dissolutioned with this bitch think ahhh lets give the other clown a shot. Stop me if it gets too complicated.

    Reb…you’ve changed earlier in the week you hated her with bells on and now is just you can’t stand her.

  94. April 14, 2013 1:28 am

    It’s nothing, compared to the vigh velocity champagne corks in my house the day that Howard is biologically prohibited from stealing oxygen.

  95. April 14, 2013 8:50 am

    Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others.

    Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the Ivory Trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own Cabinet booted her out.

    She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone – and was sailing AWAY from the islands! When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs up sign for the British press.

    Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women’s movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a Prime Minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.

    Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity.

    MORRISSEY.

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/morrissey-margaret-thatcher-was-barbaric-20130408#ixzz2QO1iQpDT

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 9:09 am

    she destroyed the British manufacturing industry,

    I think the same thing happened here under Hawke/Keating. They got rid of the tariffs and that was the end of most of our manufacturing.

    I think most Western countries lost manufacturing to China during this time.

  97. IPA address permalink
    April 14, 2013 9:30 am

    “The sorrow of the IRA Brighton bombing is that Thatcher escaped unscathed.”

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/morrisseys-15-most-outrageous-quotes-20130306#ixzz2QOBA8P5R

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 1:19 pm

    And you know all this because, Kneel?

  99. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 2:04 pm

    Am I wrong?? I thought it was well known that our manufacturing disappeared under Hawke/Keating. I guess we could not compete with lower wage countries. And the reduction of the tariff barrier helped reduce our manufacturing base??

    I remember when we used to make everything in Australia. Washing machines, fridges, TV’s toaster, ovens.

    And you seem to have trouble spelling my name.

  100. el gordo permalink
    April 14, 2013 5:04 pm

    Nils is right,we have short memories.

    The tariff walls came down and our market was opened up, this has been good for the economy. We have to let car manufacturing stand on its own feet, without government assistance.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 5:44 pm

    Nils is right,we have short memories.

    Kneel, might have a short memory …

    I was in the auto industry when John Button introduced his Plan … quite frankly many of us argued that other countries were not going to play the “level playing field” game … and they didn’t … but it did improve the quality of Australian vehicles … and some manufacturers left the league … including Nissan … the marque I was employed under …

    John Howard signed an FTA with the USA, a la President Bush … try buying articles from Amazon … particularly technology … Sierra Trading … many items are “only sipped to USA” … and the list goes on .. ’tis still a farce …

    I tried to buy a camera 5 years ago from a US mob … no trade with Oz … I emailed them … we have an FTA … happy when we support you in your wars but not in trade? My reply was an apology … checked a few months ago (looking at a new camera) same BS … no to Oz …

    All Australian governments get shafted … well, our society gets shafted by the incompetents running piddling around with our country lives …

    You still don’t get it … none of the Fuckwits™ you elect will be able to run the country the way you expect … whatever the politics … they are NOT qualified … NOT ONE!

    And they don’t give a flying fuck about you trying to support them (GAFF) they will only make decisions that will bring them, their families or immediate friends gratification, power, money and long term survival … not necessarily in that order!

    NONE OF THEM CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY!

    Its like businesses that only care about $$$$$$$$$$$$$ not service … they do not deserve your support!

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 5:58 pm

    I am sure both sides agreed to the dropping of the tariff wall protecting our local industry but it was the Hawke/Keating govt who did it.

    I think the logic was we could build a television in Australia for $5,000 or import it for $500. So we import the TV and do something else with our labor

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawke-Keating_Government

    Economic reform included the floating of the Australian dollar, deregulation of the financial system, dismantling of the tariff system, privatised state sector industries, ended subsidisation of loss-making industries, and the sale of the state-owned Commonwealth Bank of Australia.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2013 7:44 pm

    The hypocrisy just reeks from the tories in this story … remember – power, control, $$$$$ … ROBBER BARONS at work …

    http://www.news.com.au/world-news/police-allow-protests-and-say-they-are-not-there-to-uphold-respect-for-margaret-thatcher/story-fndir2ev-1226620154074

    Full marks to the police commander …

  104. April 14, 2013 7:56 pm

    “Full marks to the police commander …”

    AGREED!

    I think there’s going to be trouble…

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2013 8:29 pm

    “The hypocrisy just reeks from the tories in this story

    Really?? Ding dong the witch is dead.

    I wonder what you lot would be saying if Conservatives said the same thing about Gillard??

  106. April 15, 2013 8:28 pm

    Sorry Kneel, give it a bit more time. _ lt will happen for Howard.
    *************************************
    the rest of you lot might like
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

  107. April 15, 2013 10:56 pm

    Get Gillard out!!

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2013 9:21 am

    Sovereign is rather cryptic …

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2013 9:45 am

    I think he is channeling Crean and Rudd.

  110. el gordo permalink
    April 16, 2013 11:11 am

    That’s funny.

  111. April 17, 2013 6:20 pm

    So, will we all be tuning in to the live telecast of the old dragon’s funeral…..?

  112. April 17, 2013 6:23 pm

    Only if you can guarantee me that I’ll get to see Howard tip over & shuffle off in High Def.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2013 6:26 pm

    I double bunger? Toilette! 🙂

  114. April 17, 2013 6:29 pm

    He’ll cark it one day.

    Then he will rot.

    A fitting end to a stunted, mendacious little flagwanking arsehole.

  115. April 17, 2013 6:32 pm

    His legacy will be that footage of him trying to bowl in East Timor.

    They should do a montage of that & him falling over & stuff for his State Funeral.

    I’ll be home pissing on an effigy.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2013 6:34 pm

    So, toilette, what do you think of John Howard’s reign … and secondly, his protégé taking over … if Howard carks it won’t Abbott flounder even more?

  117. April 17, 2013 6:44 pm

    I’m going to tell, Abbott, what I think of him, and Howard’s reign, when he pedals/peddles through town at the end of this month. 😉

  118. IPA address permalink
    April 17, 2013 7:06 pm

    The Brits should be thanking Thatcher tonight. It’s because of her they aren’t tied to the (mis)fortunes of the Euro.

  119. April 17, 2013 7:07 pm

    “if Howard carks it won’t Abbott flounder even more?”

    Nah it’ll just elevate the lying rodent to Messiah status.

    Although the wailing from the Libs will probably surpass the mourning of King Jong Il..

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2013 7:20 pm

    Although the wailing from the Libs will probably surpass the mourning of King Jong Il..

    Gold! Gold! Gold!

    About to enjoy a home grown Cornish pastie … to drool over!

  121. April 17, 2013 7:23 pm

    How was Oblivion TB…?

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2013 8:17 pm

    Ah! Glad you asked, sreb …

    In keeping with our in depth film revues …

    The Minister gave it ★★★★

    I’m agnostic so I gave it ★★★

    Story a mix of Mad Max, Star Wars and Star Trek … a couple of nice twists and easily understood if you get sci-fi (I’ve been a fan for over 50 {FMD!} years) … but it seemed that bit were too short and characters weren’t developed enough … everyone succumbed to the hero … great graphics … loved the “destroyed moon” …

    Non sci-fi listeners may struggle with the concepts …

    Personally a noice lunch with my lady love … cuvee with Pekin’ Duck Pancakes and the Fries Trilogy … lovely … and then a massive storm on the way home … just had another one … did you know the climate is changing!

    And contrary to rumour God does not do a cameo …

  123. IPA address permalink
    April 17, 2013 8:34 pm

    Thatcher was influenced by “The Road to Serfdom”, according to the archbishop.

  124. IPA address permalink
    April 17, 2013 8:41 pm

    Hehe. Howie’s the only one in the room wearing a ribboned medal round his neck. Embarrassing. Meanwhile the sheik behind him is staring at the ceiling while hymns are sung.

  125. el gordo permalink
    April 17, 2013 9:27 pm

    The sheik was admiring the architecture.

  126. IPA address permalink
    April 17, 2013 10:03 pm

    “In [Thatcher’s] 1980 budget, fiscal fine tuning was replaced by a medium-term financial strategy: a world first. Tax cuts, privatisation, financial deregulation and industrial relations reform followed. Each step was savaged by Keynesian economists, but received the accolade of widespread international imitation, most often by relatively young finance ministers (such as Paul Keating) in left-leaning governments.”

    Maggie showed Keating the way

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2013 10:13 pm

    Baroness Thatcher’s funeral was very moving. The music, the architecture, the ceremony – the Brits do this stuff well.

  128. April 18, 2013 6:13 pm

    There didn`t seem to be the trouble we suspected. Liz turning up probably helped l guess. There does seem to be some empire fetish remaining.
    ********************************************************************************
    What l find amusing with our Torie-kids is Reaganism and Thatcherism were created by people whose mental capacity depleted during their life, one while still in office, but our Torie-kids don`t even pause to reflect on this, or the ideas imposed.

  129. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 4:07 pm

    ‘The doomsters’ favourite subject today is climate change. This has a number of attractions for them. First, the science is extremely obscure so they cannot easily be proved wrong. Second, we all have ideas about the weather: traditionally, the English on first acquaintance talk about little else. Third, since no plan to alter climate could be considered on anything but a global scale, it provides a marvellous excuse for worldwide, supra-national socialism.’

    Margaret Thatcher

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