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April 19, 2013

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Well it’s been a pretty eventful week; the Boston bombings, the exploding fertiliser factory in Texas.  Throatcutgate at the Abbott Farm and as I post this a police officer has been shot in Boston and a high speed chase is underway…

 

 

 

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  1. April 19, 2013 4:18 pm

    So it looks like Gillard has successfully deployed her remarkable negotiation skills at Coag today…

    Is there anything that she can’t stuff up?

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 4:29 pm

    Is there anything that she can’t stuff up?

    That’s a bit tuff, sreb … after listening to some of the tory premiers prattle on … especially fkn, Noddy (I’ll Never Lie) Newman …

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2013 4:38 pm

    “Is there anything that she can’t stuff up?”

    She is excellent at ALP machine politics. She knifed Rudd and saw off two challenges and survives in the job despite abysmal polling, much worse than what Rudd got rolled for.

    Maybe she doesn’t understand that this approach, while effective in Unionland, doesn’t wash in other places, like COAG. Perhaps she should have negotiated before giving her ultimatum. That same approach failed faction boss Underpants Conroy recently.

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2013 4:47 pm

    Gillard is leading the ALP away from where ever Rudd was taking them. It seems to be working a treat.

    Gillard can’t win the election, their only hope is that Abbott is found in the cot with Pell.

  5. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 4:52 pm

    Abbott demoted that staff member ‘for threatening the head of an indigenous education charity.’

    ‘Mr Abbott has announced his director of policy, Dr Mark Roberts, has been demoted following an investigation into his behaviour at a Sydney dinner on Thursday night.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-staffer-demoted-after-incident-at-sydney-party-20130419-2i46k.html#ixzz2QtDPWyvQ

  6. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 4:56 pm

    Notice that Rolf has has finally be named in the MSM a month after The Daily Trash got the scoop.

    Congrats to the ed.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 5:06 pm

    ‘Mr Abbott has announced his director of policy, Dr Mark Roberts, has been demoted following an investigation into his behaviour at a Sydney dinner on Thursday night.’

    You don’t demote someone at that level unless you want them on board for advice … given a different title and the same perks salary package …

    That kind of blunder (actually two!) at that level of responsibility is dangerous and Dr Roberts should have been dismissed on the spot … he would have been in business … pollies tend to have no different standards …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Never liked RH … he was a big star on kids shows when I was growing up in the UK …

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2013 5:19 pm

    “Is there anything that she can’t stuff up?”

    Time Gillard was gonski!

  9. April 19, 2013 5:36 pm

    I see that Noddy gave KFC a $40,000 cash handout courtesy of tax payers.

    That’s nice 😯

  10. April 19, 2013 5:56 pm

    “Never liked RH … he was a big star on kids shows when I was growing up in the UK …”

    Me neither. I always thought he was a bit creepy.

    You can’t trust people with beards.

  11. April 19, 2013 5:58 pm

    …or people with three legs.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:06 pm

    I see that Noddy gave KFC a $40,000 cash handout courtesy of tax payers.

    But, but, but Kweensland has no money!

    I always thought he was a bit creepy.

    Absolutely! I could never understand why he was such a big star … he was well in with, The Firm, too … wonder if The Duke has been investigated?

  13. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:11 pm

    The NSW Opposition leader also gives his support for gay marriage, so its almost a certainty to get the nod.

    ‘Mr Robertson has commended Mr O’Farrell for declaring his support for a change to the Marriage Act for the first time, following the New Zealand parliament’s vote to legalise same-sex marriage.

    ‘Mr Robertson, who has a gay son, says it is now important for federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to follow Mr O’Farrell’s lead.’

  14. April 19, 2013 6:16 pm

    Our Mayor in Melbourne is also a staunch supporter of marriage equality, and he was a former Liberal MP.

    Where is all the moral outrage on the left-wing blogs about Gillard’s staunch opposition to it?

    *crickets*

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:42 pm

    Where is all the moral outrage on the left-wing blogs about Gillard’s staunch opposition to it?

    Street marching in protest was for a generation who didn’t have mobile phones and a me, me , outlook … social networking my arse … anti-social, more like …

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:47 pm

    Gillard adopted a politically expedient position 5 years ago, she locked into the religious vote, and trashed her credibility as a result.

    She is unable to change her position without looking even more expedient.

    Yet another example of Gillard finding a new way to stuff things up.

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:47 pm

    I’m taking a big dose of medicinal red this evening.

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:50 pm

    Gillard adopted a politically expedient position 5 years ago, she locked into the religious vote, and trashed her credibility as a result.

    In other words the “religious lobby” bow controls both major parties … whoopee doo … back the ’90’s … 1590’s!

    Who stole my country!

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:50 pm

    bow … yep N is next to B … now …

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2013 7:00 pm

    Meanwhile over at “Banning Central” (AIMN) they have a post on support of “Gay Marriage”. There is only a single comment, there is no mention of the handbrake Gillard has applied to the question. there is no mention of Gillard being expedient, though religious stuff abounds.

    Miglo meanwhile chides anyone with a non ALP orientation.
    ——-
    Fortunately, I’m out for a while.

  21. April 19, 2013 7:09 pm

    “Street marching in protest was for a generation who didn’t have mobile phones and a me, me , outlook … social networking my arse … anti-social, more like …”

    I agree.

    The age of social networking has, in large part, circumvented face-to-face interactions. I’m starting to think that that is quite a profound eventuality, with negative implications.

    unholy fuck, I’m sounding like a conservative 😯

  22. April 19, 2013 7:13 pm

    On Gay Marriage…the Gillard government has further eroded its credibility by pandering to the types who would never support it anyway.

    Misplaced political epediency, if ever there was.

    The silence from the Gillard rusted-ons is telling…& entirely predictable. Like they’d be able to adopt any other contrary position & maintain their self deception.

  23. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 19, 2013 7:22 pm

    I must admit…I was thinking this was homegrown? White American Nationalists not “foreign” born but that is what reports are implying…

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2013 7:30 pm

    On Gay Marriage…

    Wonder Howe Piggy Howes feels about gay marriage … he’s the main poker and prodder methinks …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I must admit…I was thinking this was homegrown?

    Yeah, me too, Sparta … and condolences to your nation … while I bag septic tanks 😉 (rhyming slang, mate, look it up)… in these times its about “the family” … I’m sure you get that …

  25. April 19, 2013 7:33 pm

    It’s only speculatory on my part, Sparta, but if it was Islamic Extremists it seemed strange from the outset that responsibility hadn’t been claimed.

    The usual m.o. of those types is to rub the US’s nose in the blood.

    Noone, except rabid ideologues, likes to see innocent parties targetted.

    The motivations of the perps will be interesting to hear.

    Are they likely to ride the lightning? what do the state laws have in store for them?

  26. April 19, 2013 7:36 pm

    If that is the family of Sunil on the Youtube clip splatter posted on the other thread, then they sound pretty ‘American’ to me. No trace of ‘foreign’ accents at all.

  27. April 19, 2013 7:36 pm

    Yeah, the US has had a bad week, with Waco & the rest.

    Nasty stuff.

  28. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 7:46 pm

    Abbott said he will let the party room decide the gay marriage issue when they get into power. They will probably agree half way through their first term, in a quiet moment, we need a conscience vote.

    Obviously its not priority.

  29. April 19, 2013 8:01 pm

    “The silence from the Gillard rusted-ons is telling…”

    Isn’t it just.

    Confirming the fact that they’re just a pack of mindless Gillard apologist fucktards.

    Australia’s “Media Alternative” my arse.

  30. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 8:05 pm

    Dog Botherers ….

    ‘A Sicilian accused of murdering his parish priest allegedly told police he couldn’t stand to listen to any more of his sermons.

    ‘Michele di Stefano, the padre of a small hamlet in Western Sicily, used his homilies to comment on the abundant misdeeds of his parishioners, which he knew of from their confessions.

    ‘The elderly priest reportedly barely bothered to conceal the identity of the offenders, raising heckles among villagers in Ummari, near Trapani.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311063/Unemployed-Sicilian-man-murdered-parish-priest-bear-listen-sermons.html#ixzz2QtzdBp9y
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2013 9:43 pm

    So called progressives and so called left wingers who don’t give a crap about asylum seekers or basic human rights.

    So called independent.

  32. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 9:46 pm

    Rumour has it the perps are Chechnyan.

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:00 pm

    As long as they’re not Sagittarians.

  34. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:09 pm

    Apparently they’re called Chechens, not Chechnyan. 😳

  35. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:13 pm

    FBI PHOTO of Boston bombing suspect alongside photo of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev from his VKontakte page

  36. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:18 pm

    Greek Cypriot politicians to vote on the accord.

    ‘Attorney general Petros Clerides said the assembly must have a say on the accord, which will inflict huge losses on depositors at Laika and Bank of Cyprus. The Orthodox Church of Cyprus expects to lose €100m, crippling its charities.

    ‘It is unclear whether the government can muster a majority as popular fury erupts. The Communists and Socialists have been vehement critics of the deal.

    ‘Green MP George Perdikis told the Cyprus Mail that he would vote against it to uphold the “freedom” of his country. “It is a crime to deliver Cyprus into the hands of the troika and allow it to become a colony.”

    Ambrose Evans Pritchard

  37. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:18 pm

    ‘This image provided by the Boston Regional Intelligence Center shows Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, one of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings. Authorities say Tsarnaev is still at large after he and another suspect — both identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya — killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt in a long night of violence into the early hours of Friday, April 19, 2013. The second suspect, who has not yet been identified, was killed in a shootout with police. (AP Photo/Boston Regional Intelligence Center)’

    http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/boston-marathon-explosions-348

  38. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:26 pm

    ‘It is a bad idea to demonize your opponents with epithets such “shameful” and “lying,” given that the case was not made that proposed gun-control legislation would have prevented a Sandy Hook. To prevent these school-shooting horrors might require either armed guards in schools, or Draconian new laws about gratuitous screen and video-game violence, or more frequently incarcerating the mentally unstable, or, on the theory of reducing rapid rates of fire, confiscating millions of previously sold semi-automatic handguns and rifles. All those measures would have offended millions across the political spectrum in ways that demonizing the NRA apparently does not. In the end, it was not the “lying” “gun lobby” that persuaded enough senators to defeat the bill, but the president’s inability to make the argument that his proposals would help stop another Sandy Hook or Columbine.

    ‘Moreover, the current sophistry of using catastrophic current events to rush legislative agendas or build political capital is as natural as it is also dangerous — and can rebound in unexpected ways.’

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/346011/dangers-politically-inspired-moral-outrage%E2%80%94-sandy-hook-what-next

  39. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:56 pm

    Continuous coverage on Fox 25 live news stream. (Yes, Fox!) 😯

  40. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:59 pm

    Family fled Chechnya for USA in 2003, apparently.

  41. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 11:04 pm

    Swat team preparing to storm house in Camsridge, Mass. Suspect believed to be inside.

  42. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 11:05 pm

    #Cambridge

  43. IPA address permalink
    April 19, 2013 11:18 pm

    Suspect house actually in Watertown.

  44. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:16 am

    “You can’t trust people with beards.”

    Santa Claus and Abe Lincoln are a bit sus I reckon.

  45. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:23 am

    So on the radio Alan Jones said the Bombers are possibly

    Muslim……… I groan

    Students……..I groan

    Foreign……….I groan

    Left Wing……I groan

    So far

    Tick

    Tick

    Tick

    Leftie ???????????

    We will never hear the end of it if they are left wing but being Chechnyan it’s not looking good.

  46. public toilet permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:41 am

    I’d have thought that, being Chechens, they are likely Muslim. Beslan comes to mind, among other attacks.

    But I fail to see why ‘leftists’ are mentioned?

    So who was Sunil? *confusion

  47. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:42 am

    “The silence from the Gillard rusted-ons is telling…”

    Different context but just wait until Budget night.

    It will be full of Swan/Wong lies.

    Lord knows what our debt ceiling request will be.

  48. public toilet permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:42 am

    If I lived in Melbourne, I’d be going to watch Richmond spank the black & white scum tomorrow.

  49. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:47 am

    Nazi propaganda on suspect Facebook page according to Fox News.

    Yes Fox News

    Their newsroom seemed to fall silent.

    Surely not a Right Wing Nutter ?

    LOL

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:50 am

    It seems there is a slight Australian connection:

    On a Russian-language social media page, Dzhokhar features a drawing of a bomb under the heading “send a gift,” and just above links to sites about Islam. Tamerlan’s YouTube page features two videos by Sheikh Feiz Mohammed [an Australian]. According to a report published in The Australian in January 2007, in a video that came to the attention of authorities at the time, Mohammed “urges Muslims to kill the enemies of Islam and praises martyrs with a violent interpretation of jihad.”

  51. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:51 am

    Toilet

    Jones said it would be a Leftie student refugee type and implied Muslim

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:53 am

    And Tamerlan was a very religious young muslim.

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:01 am

    Sunil Tripathi was an Indian student who looked a bit like the younger brother, Dzhokhar. Sunil attended Brown University and had been missing for a while. His family and friends made a youtube video telling him they loved him and asking him to come home. Early reports suggested he was a suspect.

  54. public toilet permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:01 am

    So, it was in the name of a god then?
    Terrible that anyone can be hateful enough to do shit like that. And so young.

    I wonder if they realise how much damage it does to Islam globally.

  55. public toilet permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:02 am

    Ah, I get it now.

    Ta, splatter.

  56. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:03 am

    “if it was Islamic Extremists it seemed strange from the outset that responsibility hadn’t been claimed”

    Yeah, I am surprised…I felt with the Ricin letters to public officials (crazy from Mississippi), Texas thing and bombings on or near tax day; was thinking nationalist…I am waiting for the White House and every other expert now to tell us this isn’t a “Muslim” thing…Please, save your breath…At least unlike Major Hasam the White House can’t call this “work place violence”. Probably can expect “copy cat” crimes now…

    Just one more reason to ask, if a country is going to IMPORT people under whatever guise (legal immigrant, asylum seeker/refugee) in the name of political correctness, expect some rotten apples to get through. Just saying, in this day and age perhaps looking at our immigration systems vs. searching “grandma” at the airport should be weighed without worrying about “offending” people…

  57. public toilet permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:05 am

    Is it known if they were acting in isolation?

  58. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:08 am

    “Is it known if they were acting in isolation?”

    This far….I imagine if there was a cell it would be triggered already but who is to say…These guys aren’t following the usual M.O.

  59. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:16 am

    Fox News seems to be out of new news

    Back to CNBC for a dose of Squawk Box bad news for me

  60. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:28 am

    So much for financial news.

    The Uncle in USA describes bombers and family as “Losers”

    We really should cull a few people….

    Do we have the names of those over at a certain coffee shop ?

    LOL

  61. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 20, 2013 4:16 am

    LMAO OFF! So the “bombers” were given ASYLUM and allowed under TED KENNEDY’S championed immigration act of 1965, to bring ALL FAMILY OVER…Again, it is a bit moronic to suggest citizens do not have the right to determine who comes to this country…Feel good policies once again bite us in the “ass”….Both had free rides, well educated etc…I am sure their “asylum” story had nothing to do with that either…This whole story is so bloody pathetic on so many levels and very tragic…Two American Citizens killed, one Chinese national and countless others gravely wounded….

    Yes, I know…We can’t paint them all with a broad brush..blah, blah, blah….Fact is, had legitimate sensible policies been in place based on need, rule of law etc chances are this wouldn’t have happened so is it worth the risk that so many don’t go down such a path? I don’t think so…Especially in the name of “political correct” dogma…Utter garbage….

  62. April 20, 2013 7:26 am

    Craig Thomson struggling to get by on $190,000 a year…

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/thomson-has-60-in-bank-court-told-20130419-2i5fx.html

  63. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:55 am

    I’m being swayed by Sparta’s logic.

  64. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:34 am

    el gordo,

    I don’t know, you tell me…Does it make much sense to be importing from war torn lands that have conflict rooted in purported “Muslim” grievances?

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Reported+Russian+Caucasus+involvement+Boston+bombings+follow/8266198/story.html

    Makes me wonder when Australia will be getting a “thank you for taking us in/asylum seeker after we fled for our lives” bomber…All very frustrating…I really believe Australia is going to have some serious issues in the future due to its “feel good” policies…When it happens you will have the left on about how it is the Australian peoples fault…Drives me crazy..

  65. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 10:05 am

    Yep …

  66. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 10:10 am

    “Suspect 2” surrounded in a boat behind a house in Franklin St, Watertown. He’s sure to be caught, the only question is: dead or alive?

  67. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 10:48 am

    Sparta we can’t blame all refugees because of a few law breakers, most are good citizens and their children happily settled.

    I do know that many Lebanese children coming from that war zone were out of control in schools here, but they generally settle down when they have children of their own.

    We should keep things in perspective, lets not forget the Oklahoma Bomber.

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2013 11:49 am

    Craig Thomson struggling to get by on $190,000 a year…

    Who’s Craig Thomson?*

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:02 pm

    *Craig Thomson: – uni -> commerce/law -> union official -> union boss -> ALP pre-selection (despite media reports of misuse of funds) -> Federal MHR. A typical Unionland success story.

    Then it all went horribly wrong. Kathy Jackson broke the Unionland Omerta. The ALP spent nearly half a million on legal fees to prop him up. But it isn’t over. Who knows? Unionland rules might still be respected. A Labor appointed judge might yet let him off on a technicality.

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:14 pm

    “Who’s Craig Thomson?*

    Craig who? I can’t see a thing – I’m too busy looking ‘over there’.

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:16 pm

    Miglo has posted the following – ”I see that someone on reb’s blog has suggested that people here should be killed.
    Interesting.

    What’s that about?

    I realise that they’re entirely brain dead when it comes to any reasonable analysis of the government or Gillard or the corrupt structure of the ALP, but I haven’t seen anything that justifies this statement.

  72. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:16 pm

    ‘Mr O’Farrell made the announcement on Ms Bashir’s retirement yesterday after the Queen agreed to extend her tenure from February 2014 to September 26, 2014.

    “Professor Bashir has been one of this state’s most loved governors and it is with regret I accept her decision to stand down,” Mr O’Farrell said. “As a person of Lebanese descent, there is no better example of the success of our multicultural society than Prof Bashir, who had a very successful career in health and academia before being appointed governor.

    “NSW is a better place for Prof Bashir’s service.”

    The Daily Terror

  73. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:20 pm

    ‘What’s that about?’

    I did say I hope he burns in hell, but that’s only a manner of speaking. The sort of thing that CU comes up with.

  74. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:28 pm

    “Suspect 2” in custody.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:34 pm

    So Miglo is making it up, yet again. It’s his typical habit of fact free blogging combined with heavy handed censorship and nil standards.

  76. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 12:45 pm

    Sparta is being called a troll… seems a bit harsh.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:23 pm

    Meanwhile, Adrian of Nowra says he doesn’t read sites like this where Sparta comments.

    In that case he won’t object to being called a bullsh!t artist.

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 20, 2013 1:59 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/detention-contracts-worth-18b-20130419-2i5pd.html

    “Private security company Serco’s contracts with the government have blown out by $1.5 billion as the flow of asylum seekers has increased.

    Serco Australia provides immigration detention services and has two contracts with the federal government that have been active since 2009.

    But those contracts have ballooned from $323 million four years ago to a record $1.86 billion this year.

    Serco in its annual report has welcomed the increase in asylum seekers but says future profits in Australia will depend on the ”country conditions” in the Middle East and Asia.”

    Now does Serco welcome the increase in asylum seekers because they care for them or because they make more money from an increase in asylum seekers??

  79. gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:19 pm

    What’s the bet Abbott will put the boot into this rort?

  80. gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:28 pm

    Miglo, while yer there, when are you going to take the trash mob off your banned list at AIMN?

    Your traffic is woeful and my patience is being sorely tested.

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:34 pm

    Well, it is funny the way that mob self select out, they aren’t quite bright enough to keep up.

    It’s easier for them to argue with their intellectual equals.

    …such as Scaper.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:38 pm

    What’s that about? …. So Miglo is making it up, yet again

    Nup … Ask Wally @1:28am (!!!!) … he did use the word “cull” in reference to cafe dwellers … and in poor taste, methinks …

    … it would certainly have some people spitting fire if it were reversed … fkn blog wars …

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:43 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about it El Gordo.

    Here’s Miglo’s standards-

    • If you say his new site is good quality – he bans you
    • If you make a point that he doesn’t agree with – he bans you
    • If you point out that the government’s policy on asylum seekers is inhumane – he bans you
    • If you object to non stop insults – he bans you
    • If he has one of his regular moments of irrationality – he bans you

    Miglo lives in groundhog day.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:48 pm

    I hope some of you got to watch our very own Noddy, prattling on lateline last night … you’d think he was in the federal Opposition the way he verballed everyone he could on the government … an expert on Federal/State relations after half a year in the job … and blaming everyone except himself for politicising the future of kids in Queensland … the poncy little prat …

    Apparently education and major roads are 100% federal funding projects but ya can’t tip the golden trough over take state rights rights off the state premiers lot …

    … I know, get rid of state governments altogether and have federally funded regional councils …

    … abolish governor generals’ …

    … abolish any “after service” perks for politicians and SPS …

    … stop spending taxpayer money on unwanted wars and divert it to educating our nation …

    … longer between elections …

    And that’s just the start … you lot will have more I’m sure … about time we had people running the country who CARED about it!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:50 pm

    Fkn keyboard … 🙂

    Apparently education and major roads are 100% federal funding projects but ya can’t tip the golden trough over take state rights rights off the state premiers lot …

    Apparently education and major roads are 100% federal funding projects but ya can’t tip the golden trough over take state rights rights off the state premiers lot …

    … I know, get rid of state governments altogether and have federally funded regional councils …

    … abolish governor generals’ …

    … abolish any “after service” perks for politicians and SPS …

    … stop spending taxpayer money on unwanted wars and divert it to educating our nation …

    … longer between elections …

    And that’s just the start … you lot will have more I’m sure … about time we had people running the country who CARED about it!

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:51 pm

    And I’m sober!!!!!

    BTW, Hitler’s birthday today … and my daughter’s … she deals with …

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 3:54 pm

    TB, the exchanges with Miglo had been entirely respectful, orderly and reasonable until he decided to have his tantrum at his new site and ban several people that contribute here.

    He had no reason, no explanation, no excuse. His has resulted in some feedback, that’s hardly surprising.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 4:01 pm

    His This

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2013 4:49 pm

    ToM, Wally’s comment was bit OTT … I know how you would have reacted …

    Don’t know why you are so bothered …

  90. April 20, 2013 5:00 pm

    Miglo suffers from delusions of grandeur and paranoia, so I wouldn’t really take anything he says seriously. Who gives a rat’s arse? Certainly not me.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2013 5:28 pm

    True, but hypocritical c**ts deserve to be acknowledged as such!

  92. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 5:38 pm

    Its funny that most of trash are banned at the cafe and AIMN, yet those places remain on the blog roll. Seeing as TDT is not on theirs, is that ironic?

    I’m not too good on irony.

  93. April 20, 2013 5:49 pm

    I’m not sure that suggesting that some people could be culled from a blog is the same as suggesting that they ought to be killed.

    It could suggest that some simply ought to be banned. A topic that’s near and dear to the cafe mob’s heart.

    Or maybe Miglo is referring to a comment I made a while ago, with reference to Catching Up and an idea I had for mandatory euthanasia.

    Anyway, Who knows what he’s on about and frankly who cares…

  94. April 20, 2013 6:37 pm

    It will all be ok, as long as they keep their pet fucktard, scaper.

    For extra laffs, mouse over the dipshit’s gravatar. It says…”I despise lefties because they are pissants, especially the ones at cafe delusions”.

    Hilarious.

    Their good buddy. They treat him like a recalcitrant kindy kid. The village idiot. Easy to patronise. Walter Mitty.

  95. April 20, 2013 6:38 pm

    I should add, the smarter ones just ignore his self obsessed ranting & anecdotes about his rich, influential lifestyle (as a garden builder).

  96. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 6:40 pm

    Oops.

    “The FBI revealed on Friday that they had interviewed Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011, after a foreign government alerted officials that he had possible ties to extremists. Federal officials vetted Tamerlan Tsarnaev but their probe not produce any ‘derogatory’ information and the matter was put ‘to bed,’ a U.S. law enforcement source said.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311953/FBI-interviewed-Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspect-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-26-possible-extremist-ties-years-ago-incriminating-information.html

  97. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 6:41 pm

  98. April 20, 2013 6:47 pm

    Haha.

    Apparently CU thinks sparta is one of y’all trolling! 😆

    Thick as cement.

  99. April 20, 2013 6:50 pm

    IPA, I read somewhere today that the bombers, after ‘fleeing’ Chechnya, spent some time in Central Asia.
    I presume that they may have been ‘groomed’ at that time (?).

    Still pretty hard to sort fact from fiction regarding the attacks though; too much speculative clutter (like mine just now).

    What seems clear is that they were muslims.

  100. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 6:50 pm

    Statement of the Ambassador of the Czech Republic on the Boston terrorist attack

    ‘ … As more information on the origin of the alleged perpetrators is coming to light, I am concerned to note in the social media a most unfortunate misunderstanding in this respect. The Czech Republic and Chechnya are two very different entities – the Czech Republic is a Central European country; Chechnya is a part of the Russian Federation …’

  101. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 6:51 pm

  102. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 6:56 pm

    ‘I presume that they may have been ‘groomed’ at that time (?).’

    Dunno. There’s plenty of material on the internet for the so-inclined to brainwash themselves. Apparently they ‘liked’ on their facebook accounts videos of rants by various radical sheikhs, one of them ‘Australian’.

  103. April 20, 2013 7:04 pm

    Yeah, I saw that.

    I’m not under any illusions about why they appear to have done wht they did. But another anti-religion tirade from me at this point would be labouring it.

    I also agree that there’s plenty of material on the internet for brainwashing, confirmation bias & self justification. It can be a fantastic source of information, if you don’t only spend time on sites which reinforce your own worldview & condemn those of everyone else; a trap too many fall into.
    Horrid, when that leads to such hatred & bloodshed as a result.

  104. April 20, 2013 7:13 pm

    “Apparently CU thinks sparta is one of y’all trolling!”

    Oh, they’re always accusing us of “trolling” over there with “theories” that we must be going to internet cafes to bypass their banning protocols.

    Honestly, do they really think that people are that interested to bother?

    It’s all part of their “fighting the good fight for our Julia” paranoia.

    Some of them willing probably be contemplating suicide come September 15.

  105. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:18 pm

    I’ll tell you one thing that’ll happen after Sept 15th. A huge resurgance in left-wing blogs. They thrived under Howard but once Labor won they lost their reason foe existing. Look for a reversal.

  106. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:20 pm

    “y’all” 😆

  107. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:29 pm

    ‘BTW, Hitler’s birthday today’

    Hitler’s birthday is something Teh Right celebrates, apparently …

  108. April 20, 2013 7:34 pm

    ” one thing that’ll happen after Sept 15th. “
    yeah, a lot of Torie-kids in tears. Katter`s lot will take a few national seats, Barnaby will be defeated by Windsor. Enjoy the delusion until mid-August.

  109. April 20, 2013 7:38 pm

    Y’all got flogged by Collingwood. 😦

  110. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:44 pm

    “We really should cull a few people….

    Do we have the names of those over at a certain coffee shop ?
    LOL”

    I think Miglo was referring to my earlier post above. Except of course he conveniently substitutes “culled” with “killed”

    And he failed to include the “LOL”

    If it was in bad taste well I had a think about that………

    And decided I don’t give a flying fuck about whether it was or not.

    By the way……

    Why did Miglo take a photo of himself with a a turd and post it as his avatar ?

    Actually………it kinda suits.

    And I thought he NEVER visits here.

    Oh yeah……..just the usual bullshit he goes on with

  111. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:46 pm

    Oh and it was also a dig at Miglos habit of posting actual names of bloggers.

    He is such a lowlife cunt for doing that.

  112. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:46 pm

    ‘Y’all got flogged by Collingwood.’

    😯

  113. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:46 pm

    Whilst visiting TPS the other day I was called a troll…. this appears to be standard practice in left wing chat rooms.

  114. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:50 pm

    ‘yeah, a lot of Torie-kids in tears.’

    That’s right. Y’all can’t trust them there polls. They’ve been wrong just about … never. But carry on being a political mood change denier. It suits you.

  115. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:58 pm

    Terror Attack Ratings Prove Fox Is Now ‘The Most Trusted Name In News’

  116. April 20, 2013 8:00 pm

    “And I thought he NEVER visits here.”

    Yeah exactly. LOL!

  117. April 20, 2013 8:02 pm

    “If it was in bad taste well I had a think about that………

    And decided I don’t give a flying fuck about whether it was or not.”

    My sentiments exactly.

  118. April 20, 2013 8:13 pm

    ‘The Most Trusted Name In News’

    Glad you used inverted commas.

    That is a slogan. Not a statement of credibility.

    Most watched, I could accept. (so many dumbasses)

  119. April 20, 2013 8:14 pm

    ” They’ve been wrong just about _ never.”
    actually if you did some research on polls, you would find on a seat by seat basis, that they get it wrong 50-percent of the time or more. The 50-percent mark is considered good. Don`t you notice with all the poll-noise the embedded media make, there is no detail on which seats will be lost or gained by whatever party. They just crap on about some percentage swing coz 1000 people were phoned.

  120. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:14 pm

    ‘Friday morning’s naming of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing disappointed a wide variety of observers who had staked sociological claims around the attack … Shortly after Monday’s attack, before any suspects were named, Salon writer David Sirota published a widely ridiculed piece expressing the hope that the bomber would be a “white American.” Sirota based his logic on an academic discipline known as Critical Race Theory.’

  121. April 20, 2013 8:16 pm

    We all know that they read every word here.

    They’re just too precious to weigh in. Much easier to indulge in their confirmation bias & lurid political masturbations in a comfortable, unconfronting echochamber, with the odd token pet fucktard. Sans unhelpful contrarians, who are conveniently banned.

  122. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:17 pm

    ‘The Most Trusted name In News’ is CNN’s marketing slogan, hence the inverted commas when applying it ironically to Fox.

  123. April 20, 2013 8:17 pm

    Oh dear, Critical Race Theory sounds a bit Orwellian.

  124. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:18 pm

    ‘actually if you did some research on polls, you would find on a seat by seat basis, that they get it wrong 50-percent of the time or more. ‘

    You’d have a reference for that, then?

  125. April 20, 2013 8:20 pm

    What’s FOXNews’ slogan? I haven’t had payTV for a few years.

    I do remember their ridiculously slanted coverage of most things though. Factual distortion & editorialising the world through a socially conservative, US Exceptionalist, pro-christian, anti-Islam prism. Not exactly the source to go to for ‘just the facts’.

  126. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:24 pm

    Fox News is the Kaf of US cable news. They cater unashamedly to their base, around half of the US population – a demographic that had no TV ‘home’. Another example of Rupert’s undeniable business nous.

  127. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:29 pm

    I have it on good authority that tomorrow’s Bolt Report will be embarrassing for Greg Hunt.

    The Bolter has a deprogramming strategy in place.

  128. April 20, 2013 8:29 pm

    ” You’d have a reference for that, then?”
    that`s a google buddy, l read-up on the poll distortion years ago

  129. April 20, 2013 8:32 pm

    If I remember correctly Tim Dunlop didn’t ban people, he just moderated comments to make sure they weren’t offensive.

    Only Minglo have resorted to banning people simply for the reason that those who they ban have different political views.

    Dunlop invited political discourse.

    Whereas the cafe and AIMN seek to stifle the conversation to just pro-gillard propaganda.

  130. April 20, 2013 8:33 pm

    “Fox News is the Kaf of US cable news. They cater unashamedly to their base, around half of the US population – a demographic that had no TV ‘home’. Another example of Rupert’s undeniable business nous.”

    Seems like a pretty good appraisal to me. 😉

  131. IPA address permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:34 pm

    ‘that`s a google buddy’

    That’d be a “No, I don’t have a reference, but I’m trying to bluff you with unfounded assertions.” Thanks, that’s what I thought.

  132. April 20, 2013 8:35 pm

    “Whereas the cafe and AIMN seek to stifle it to just pro_gillard propaganda.”

    With a dash of token fucktard.

  133. April 20, 2013 8:41 pm

    ” They’ve been wrong just about _ never.””
    You’d have a reference for that, then?

  134. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 8:42 pm

    Seems a lot like me are home tonight.

    Bloody cold weather

  135. April 20, 2013 9:25 pm

    looks like ipadress has vacated the field, as the Torie-kids tend to do when thumped back

  136. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 20, 2013 9:41 pm

    Perhaps he’s doing more important things Mr Centre of the Universe.

    I mean its not like its Saturday night at ?

  137. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 9:54 pm

    ‘Bloody cold weather’

    Early snow, another good ski season ahead for those who can afford the luxury.

  138. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 1:30 am

    Toilet

    I think Fox used to say “we report you decide” or something like that.
    Watching it now .

    They Desperately looking for a Boston Bomber Left angle.

    And that’s not to say there isn’t one but its very obvious their “hunt”

    Amused

  139. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 21, 2013 3:04 am

    “If I remember correctly Tim Dunlop didn’t ban people, he just moderated comments to make sure they weren’t offensive.”

    Exactly and just like Tim who agreed with me very little about anything you at least understand the exchange of ideas concept…After a quick stop over at the “Cafe” I was quickly reminded of why I find it so boring and just plain “weird”? Kudos Reb, for putting up with all but especially those with whom you disagree with (like myself)…”Blogocracy” brought many different people together for its “diversity” of thought as much as the content…

    Anyhow, Grassly, a rep from Iowa I believe is being lambasted for daring to mention the obvious in the Boston Bombings; immigration policy is bigger than just the economy….

  140. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 8:23 am

    Much credit to the blogmasta for loads of tolerance and wit, if only he was running AIMN I’d be over the moon.

    Meanwhile…..

    ‘In a dramatic escalation of pre-poll tensions, the Opposition leader plans to directly raise his concerns over Australia’s head of state with Ms Gillard, amid fears Labor wants to lock-in a raft of “jobs for the boys”- style appointments.

    ‘An investigation by News Limited can reveal an unprecedented number of one-time Labor MPs and union officials have been appointed to key Commonwealth agencies and statutory bodies, often on lucrative salaries.’

    The Daily Terror

  141. April 21, 2013 8:34 am

    Thank youse.

  142. IPA address permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:41 am

    Female presenter on Meet The Press when referring to Boston bombing suspects refers to them as “these two young boys”. WTF? Young boys!? She’s implying they are somehow victims because of their “young” ages. Reality check: They are/were 19 and 26 years old! These were fully grown adult men who are completely and solely responsible for their own actions.

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 1:44 pm

    … immigration policy is bigger than just the economy….

    As are most things in life …

    My Gawd he’s got it! I thinks he’s got it! 😆

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Lot’s of fun here last night, I see … 🙂

    Lovely evening with just the family at an Italian restaurant …

    … had a dish of (very noice) bolognaise (wif a tomata on top!) $40 fkn dollars! … I could have fed all eleven of us, for $50 … few snags on the barby! $45! For a bottle fkn sav blanc … I can buy 15 bottles for that!

    … the karaoke at my daughter’s place, afterwards, was hilarious … my hopes of becoming Australia’s answer to the,Trapp Family, were well and truly extinguished!

    … really top night …

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2013 2:18 pm

    Yesterday TB said – ” Don’t know why you are so bothered …

    CW is full of dumb delusional, control freaks and hypocritical political cowards who I used to exchange orderly views with on Tim Dunlop’s site. The chief one is in charge. He bans reasonable contributors on a whim, without reason or rationale.

    Then he’ll complain about media bias and standards.

    I think it’s reasonable to point this out from time to time.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 3:52 pm

    I think it’s reasonable to point this out from time to time.

    And I repeat … sort of … WGAFF? 🙄

  146. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 5:33 pm

    Andrew Bolt made Greg Hunt look like a fkn idiot this morning. If they go to the people with their direction action I say a pox on both their houses.

    Greg Hunt is delusional and should be removed from his post.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 5:44 pm

    Greg Hunt is delusional and should be removed from his post.

    Well spotted, egg … theres’e a few more in the Abbott Funny Farm too …

    … and the Julia Gillard Home Home for Wayward Girls & Boys as well …

  148. April 21, 2013 5:54 pm

    Hello and good evening.

  149. April 21, 2013 5:55 pm

    I thought you supported the so-called “direct action” so-called “plan,” eg?

  150. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 5:58 pm

    No reb, I’m a purist denier like the Bolter.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 6:03 pm

    Ahhh … visitors … I’ve just been slumming (as you would call it) … I see scaper just “insulted” someone by calling them a “tory” … he obviously reads here … but just don’t “get it” … he’s made the extreme right backflip with full pike and calls someone else a tory … hilarious …

    No reb, I’m a purist denier like the Bolter.

    I guess that means nothing or all?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 6:17 pm

    Hello and good evening. This is the BBC Home Service … LOL!

  153. April 21, 2013 6:23 pm

    LOL… 🙂

  154. April 21, 2013 6:24 pm

    I’ve made a lovely tamarind fish curry and slow cooked pork neck in spiced suy sauce for dinner…

    What are you plebs having…?

  155. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 6:26 pm

    ‘I guess that means nothing or all?’

    It might mean nuthin’ to you, young fella, but the denialati take themselves seriously.

  156. April 21, 2013 6:27 pm

    I do recall that Catching Up once said at AIMN “we’re coming to get you”

    Is that not a death threat…….???

  157. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 6:29 pm

    I’m making a vegetable curry, gave up eating meat during the hard times last year and didn’t go back. I’ve become a vegan.

  158. April 21, 2013 6:43 pm

    Good for you egg.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2013 7:06 pm

    “slumming it”

    $3 a bottle wine and CW. TB’s got is right!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 7:26 pm

    +++ What are you plebs having…?+++

    Tacos …

    … not by design but by request … The Minister is really a wonderful cook as are all my family (including my 15 yo grandson – who wants to be a civil engineer ????) …

    … but my tastes are pretty simple … (as I’m sure you have all gathered by now)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    +++ but the denialati take themselves seriously.+++

    Silly buggers … 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    +++ Is that not a death threat…….???+++

    As I said to ToM … WGAFF?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    +++ gave up eating meat during the hard times last year +++

    Sounds like a Pakistani! LOL!

    Nearly prayed my wine then – but at $2.80 a bottle! I sucked in … 😯

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    +++ Good for you egg. +++

    I can understand that EGG!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    +++ TB’s got is right! +++

    Got is wot rite … ? Everyfing funkshoning fine … fanks …

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 7:32 pm

    +++ $3 a bottle wine and CW +++

    $2.85!

    With the pension we are sailing!

    BTW, seriously … anyone looking for a decent SUV the Hyundai Santa Fe (what a fkn stupid name!) Elite is fabulous and after spending 16 years in the auto trade I do not recommend cars lightly …

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 21, 2013 8:01 pm

    I can’t imagine what a $2.85 wine would taste like.

    It probably has a label that says – “Vintage – February”

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    April 21, 2013 8:11 pm

    Nah ToM … 2013 … nobody knows what fkn month it was squished (probably don’t care either … the labels are only two colour actually one … green on white … the $40 Marlborogh didn’t taste all that much different … considering mine has three grapes varieties not just two … 😉

  164. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 8:36 pm

    ‘but at $2.80 a bottle! I sucked in …’

    LOL

  165. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:07 pm

    HSR report….

    ‘In fact, the report pretty much shows that if a system like this were ever erected, the domestic airline industry would be gutted.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-a-very-fast-train-system-will-never-fly-20130419-2i5go.html#ixzz2R6BrwSPB

  166. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:09 pm

    Fuck a duck

    I just looked in here

    I didn’t know Catching Up was coming to get me

    Where’s the fucking mop

    Holy shit where can I get some clean undies ?

    I need a shovel as I quiver and shake in fear

  167. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:11 pm

    does Catching Up have Mad Cow Disease ?

  168. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:40 pm

    “What are you plebs having…”

    Bbqd 5 lamb cutlets each marinated in garlic, home grown rosemay and homegrown spring onions in virgin olive oil and pepper with a mushroom risotto served in an upside down BBQ portobello mushroom dressed in garlic and butter.

    Plus a real jammy bottle of Withering Hills Pinot Noir.

  169. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:47 pm

    “BTW, seriously … anyone looking for a decent SUV the Hyundai Santa Fe (what a fkn stupid name!) Elite is fabulous and after spending 16 years in the auto trade I do not recommend cars lightly …”

    Too small and a AWD

    The new Honda CRV is better in that bracket plus it has a 4wD version for 34 k and the top version at 42k.

    It has no competition .

    By the way KIA and Hyundai are the same company in South Korea.

  170. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:59 pm

    Brendon Nelson , a director of AWM , is doing fantastic stuff at the Australian War Museum.

    A closing ceremony every day featuring a little bit of a rundown on a single one of our 110,000 deaths every day. Including contacting surviving family members to be there.

    Plus thought of projecting pictures of all wars projected upon the outside walls every night.

    Sounds fabulous

    I think they should do it at opening.

    Apparently he was inspired by the way the French honour their war dead.

  171. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 11:03 pm

    TB

    This wine you talk about

    Do you get it at Bunnings ?

  172. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 21, 2013 11:41 pm

    By the way Sparta

    What Yankee Blogs should we annoy

  173. WOTIF permalink
    April 22, 2013 12:08 am

    The resident landscaper is again on the rampage tonight I see. ’tis a worry, given ou obesity problems. Lots of fat between the ears in his postings. But everyone knows that.

  174. public toilet permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:17 am

    😯

  175. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:25 am

    ‘Experts say deficit could reach $60b in 2023’

    guffaw …..thanx Wayne.

  176. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:27 am

    ‘What Yankee Blogs should we annoy’

    Good idea, we could go as a flash mob and cause a momentary riot.

  177. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:52 am

    The most feared concentration camp in Australia will now take in children.

    ‘PREPARATIONS are under way to hold children at the far north Curtin Immigration Detention Centre for the first time since John Howard was prime minister.

    ‘Since June 2010 when Labor reopened the notorious detention centre adjacent to the Curtin air base, Curtin Immigration Detention Centre has been used to detain only single adult males who have arrived by boat seeking asylum.’

    Paige in the Oz

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:42 am

    Most Australians prefer Labor’s faster yet pricier NBN plan to Opposition’s policy

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/most-australians-prefer-labors-faster-yet-pricier-nbn-plan-to-oppositions-policy/story-e6frfro0-1226625363889

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:48 am

    Min says – the thing which made Tim Dunlop’s blog so successful was that he insisted that everyone remain on topic, insisted on links to back up opinions and didn’t hesitate but delete anything which was defamatory.

    Tim Dunlop attracted a vast range of opinion. He participated in the discussion with rationality and even a preparedness to accept that sometimes he was wrong.

    He didn’t insist that people remain on topic, except at the very early stages to comment. Once the theme developed he allowed it to take its course.

    Dunlop didn’t ban people, he edited their comments from time to time. He sought to expose his own orientation to testing of others.

    When Blogocracy was running, I rarely provided links, I preferred to rely on argument and experience. Dunllop chided me on this occasionally, but didn’t block any comments as a result.

    Dunlop had his limitations, but-

    • His blog was NOTHING like CW
    • He didn’t ban contributors
    • He sought diversity

    Typically, Min is quite incorrect and the evidence is that I post this here, as I can’t on her site.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:49 am

    TB, I don’t think the Liberal’s NBN policy is too flash either.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:50 am

    The resident landscaper is again on the rampage tonight I see

    And still dont “get it” I see … 🙄

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:55 am

    Typically, Min is quite incorrect and the evidence is that I post this here, as I can’t on her site.

    You seem to have a convoluted reasoning for right or wrong and evidence … I confess it fascinates me … one of the reasons I keep posting here …

    Wally … the CRV’s specs don’t come up to scratch (I’ll post a link to to compare if you like) against the elite … and the Hyundai does have a central diff lock and steep hill control … not that I intend doing any serious 4WDing … I sold The Minister on the airbag safety! (And the Elite does have leather seats … 🙂 )

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:57 am

    +++TB, I don’t think the Liberal’s NBN policy is too flash either.+++

    Did you read the article, ToM? Quotes much of the reasons I have stated here over the last couple of years … I reckon the 43% undecided on costing means they don’t really care/understand the difference …

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 10:10 am

    Most Australians prefer Labor’s faster yet pricier NBN plan to Opposition’s policy

    And if you asked whether Australians would like a Ferrari they would also say yes. Would say yes also to a Very fast Train from Cairns to Perth. Since a VFT from Sydney to Melbourne would cost $114B a VFT from Cairns to Perth wold cost $2 Trillion dollars.

    I want broadband that doesn’t destroy my budget.

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 10:19 am

    Yes TB, I did read it earlier, which is why I included myself in the group that doesn’t like either.

    I don’t believe the ALP version will be built for anywhere near the estimated cost, and that’s its main problem (as well it’s way, way behind schedule). I haven’t heard about the viability of the Liberal’s estimation.
    —————————–
    My point is that Min neglects to adequately address the actual form of Blogocracy, but that won’t be challenged on her site because it is full of sycophants and dills.

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 10:32 am

    It is also reasonable to say that the current Liberal policy looks quite a lot like the one the ALP promised in 2007.

    The 2007 commitment was to have it finished by about now.

  187. IPA address permalink
    April 22, 2013 10:45 am

    Heh.

  188. April 22, 2013 10:55 am

    There’s no doubt that Tim Dunlop is from the centre-left side of politics, however he was perfectly open to hearing (and publishing) the opinions of those from all sides of political persuasions.

    The idea that he “insisted on links” is total nonsense but typical of those who’d seek to re-write history.

    He certainly didn’t ban those who had a different opinion to his own.

    In fact, it wasn’t all that long ago that he condemned the more recent so-called “left leaning blogs” for simply adopting the same tactics as their “arch enemies” like Bolt and Jones.

    That Min should somehow reference Tim’s conduct as a point of reference to their own blogging approach and standards is perfectly absurd.

    But not surprising.

  189. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 10:59 am

    We are happy with the NBN and we want the VFT, so the only answer is to give the contracts to China for a seamless and affordable run.

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:04 am

    It is also reasonable to say that the current Liberal policy looks quite a lot like the one the ALP promised in 2007.”

    I wonder what the Coalition would have done if the situation was different. i understand that contracts have been signed and it is almost impossible not to go ahead with the NBN.

    The NBN does appear to be a Labor party policy and that is my big worry. There is always some unforeseen stuff-up that occurs with Labor programs.

  191. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:05 am

    It is stupid for the government to create another monopoly. Howard sold Telstra as a monopoly so he could get more money for it. Then we all paid extra.

    Now Telstra has been paid $11bn to give up its monopoly and to destroy its existing system so it cannot compete with the NBN.

    A monopoly in the hands of the government is a bad thing at the best of times. In the hands of the power-crazed loon Underpants Conroy it would be very very bad indeed. Fortunately that arrogant idiot will be booted from government come September.
    If the government controls the internet in Australia it has a much greater ability to collect information and to institute censorship. It would not need legislation to implement the internet filter for example.

    The NBN process has been corrupt from the get go. Labor mates getting unadvertised $400k jobs. In order for the government to sell it for even a fraction of its cost it will have to be sold as a monopoly. Australians may well have faster internet than they need but they will also have the most expensive internet in the world.

    The Lib plan is not much better. It only differs in costing us slightly less money.
    The government should leave the cities to private enterprise and build rural infrastructure where the market won’t. I.E. where the cost is so high that the rural residents won’t pay enough to cover the costs. At least then we can measure the amount of the subsidy.

    I have a ADSL2+ close to an exchange so I get 24mbps and can do everything I want. I pay $70 per month for a land line, unlimited Australian calls and unlimited internet. To get that service on the NBN will cost vastly more. I won’t have the choice of keeping the arrangement I have.

  192. April 22, 2013 11:12 am

    So according to reports Julia Gillard will be sending asylum seeker children to one of our worst detention centres – Curtin IDC.

    When can we expect the palpable outrage from the cafe mob and AIMN….?

  193. IPA address permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:18 am

    “When can we expect the palpable outrage from the cafe mob and AIMN….?”

    *crickets*

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:30 am

    What is the point of speeds like this???

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/biztech/nbn-promises-1gbps-speeds-for-christmas/story-fn5lic6c-1226625678468

    THE NBN will deliver speeds of 1GB per second by the end of the year.

    The most popular Bigpond Internet plans give a download limit of 5, 50 or 200GB. If you have a 5GB plan you could download your monthly allowance in 5 seconds. What do you do then?? A lot of people do not want to pay extra money for a 200GB plan.

  195. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 1:09 pm

    The good news Nils, Abbott wants to make Johnny Howard the next GG. That’s why tabit is pissed-off with joolya’s effort to put in (presumably) a socialist leaning individual.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 1:47 pm

    I have a ADSL2+ close to an exchange so I get 24mbps and can do everything I want. I pay $70 per month for a land line, unlimited Australian calls and unlimited internet.

    This just buggered your whole concept of just what the NBN actually is/will deliver … and BTW its not just about YOUR needs …

    And Kneel, too … If you have a 5GB plan you could download your monthly allowance in 5 seconds.

    Would like to stop and “chat” but I’m researching for my stouch with the insurance company ..

  197. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 1:59 pm

    Pork ‘eating for GG.

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 2:01 pm

    So according to reports Julia Gillard will be sending asylum seeker children to one of our worst detention centres – Curtin IDC.”

    And of course there are lots of children in detention right now. If Howard was in power there would be mass demonstrations. There are 1,000 children in detention.

    http://www.chilout.org/

    I always believed that most if not all the Greens/ALP criticisms of John Howard were always politically motivated.

    Where are all the protesters now with 1,000 children locked up and a total of 6,000 asylum seekers in detention??

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 2:13 pm

    ALP barrackers don’t actually care about people, they care about the ALP winning*.

    That’s why you’ll see no analysis of the latest attack on asylum seekers.

    (*I don’t think Howard cared about people either)

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 22, 2013 2:28 pm

    ” … and BTW its not just about YOUR needs …”

    And it is not just about YOUR opinion….

    In case you didn’t notice I listed another half dozen criticisms of the NBN which had nothing to do with my ‘needs’. So clearly I already know that it is not JUST about my needs. But even if you were right on that point (and in fact you are grotesquely wrong) there is nothing wrong with someone opposing a scheme primarily on the basis of the effect of it on them where that scheme will at least double the cost of the services they receive. As I am not a lifelong ALP voter (or supporter of any other party), I don’t have to smile and pretend the policy turds they serve up taste delicious.

    In this case the ALP policy is ridiculous. Due in no small part to the wastrel economics of this rotten government we are in no position to afford the NBN. The economics of it is all smoke and mirrors. And as I said above the Coalition’s alternative is almost as bad, the only real difference being that it costs slightly less.

  201. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 2:32 pm

    ALP barrackers are political animals and impervious to criticism when they find themselves in a deep hole.

    Wayne Swan is a good example of the genre and joolya’s tin ear is renown.

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 3:18 pm

    “(*I don’t think Howard cared about people either)”

    Maybe so, but it was the ALP in Opposition proclaiming how immoral Howard was and now they have more kids in detention than Howard ever did. In fact after much criticism Howard did something about kids in detention

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_detention_in_Australia#National_Inquiry_into_Children_in_Immigration_Detention

    The key recommendations of the Inquiry were that children with their parents be released immediately into the community and that detention laws should be amended to comply with the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The Howard government released the children and introduced limited changes to Migration Act 1958 as a result of the report.

    After releasing children into community detention Howard also stopped the flow of boats so we only had 6 asylum seekers in detention in 2007. We did however still take our quota of 14,000 asylum seekers.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:17 pm

    Queensland LNP – the Noddy Newman, training ground for, Tony Abbott & The Acolytes

    LOL!

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/how-premier-campbell-newmans-media-managers-spin-the-issues/story-e6frfkp9-1226625425594

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:39 pm

    And it is not just about YOUR opinion….

    In case you didn’t notice I listed another half dozen criticisms of the NBN which had nothing to do with my ‘needs’.

    Criticisms too are “opinion” … but didn’t feel the need to address them all individually …

    (eg I voted against the GST when it raised its ugly head … not for me, I had plenty of disposable income but my parents and others who were on fixed incomes … )

    Did you read NBN the article I posted … I didn’t write it someone else did …

    The NBN is only a political football because, Tony Abbott, made it one … even his Minister looks uncomfortable when trying to explain the Liberal approach … and its more than obvious that Abbott’s understanding of technology doesn’t get much further than his pushbike …

    And of course the “alternative” Lib NBN only has one advantage … its cheaper to build … and one disadvantage … it will only peform to 60-70% of its ability … in fact the Liberal Party by “offering” thier alternative have negated any other criticisms of the ALP version …

    Obviously the Liberal Party has embraced the concept but gambled on their “economic management” image … and judging by the survey I posted, it didn’t work …

    Some people thought, Wilbur Wright, was a wanker …

    Now if John Howard hadn’t taken us to war in Iraq and Afghanistan … we’d probably have $30-40 billion spare change, hanging about …

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:48 pm

    A couple of decades ago, an ALP type told me that people vote for the politicians they’d prefer as neighbours-

    *‘Julia seems like a bogan, but apparently she’s bright. She’s a lawyer you know! No, I don’t think I’d trust her either. Tim looks after the house – what on earth does he do all day?!

    *Margie and the girls are very friendly. She’s so nice! How did she ever finish up with him?! He runs a concrete factory, I bet Margie’s happy when he’s travelling.

    Some choice.

  206. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:49 pm

    Apparently 4 percent of Americans believe ‘lizard people’ control politics…. that’s over 12 million people.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:51 pm

    Here ya go, sb … this’ll bring yer palpitations down a bit … ’cause if there’s no copper there’s no ADSL (a stop gap approach – but very clever at the time) … all your comms will travel via fibre …

    Whistleout is an independent source …

    http://www.whistleout.com.au/blog/nbn-pricing-analysis-vs-adsl-2

  208. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:53 pm

    in fact the Liberal Party by “offering” thier alternative have negated any other criticisms of the ALP version … ”

    We do not know what the Libs alternatives are. I think they are locked in to the NBN because contracts have been signed. You would have to bankrupt the country to break them.

    They did have a signed contract back in 2007 to bring broadband to regional Australia but Labor did break the contract. So i guess it is possible to break contracts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEL_Networks

    OPEL Networks Pty Limited was a telecommunications provider that was to establish wholesale broadband services in regional areas of Australia in the form of WiMAX and ADSL2+ via a network of DSLAMs…………..The funding agreement was signed on 2007-09-09, which was dependent upon further planning by OPEL and confirmation that it would reach the agreed levels of coverage.[6][7] The then federal opposition Communications spokesman stated that they would honour the agreement, a stance maintained after winning government two months later, despite their own competing National Broadband Network proposal.[8]”

    However Conroy broke the contract. The regional areas of Australia would have had broadband by now

    Now if John Howard hadn’t taken us to war in Iraq and Afghanistan … we’d probably have $30-40 billion spare change

    We would have more spare change if Swan was not Treasurer. How much did he waste on the stimulus package?? And perhaps you are telling porkies about how much we spent in Iraq.

    We have spent $6B more housing asylum seekers in the last 5 years than we should have.

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:55 pm

    “And of course the “alternative” Lib NBN only has one advantage … its cheaper to build … “

    We agree on that.

    “I voted against the GST when it raised its ugly head … “

    So did I. It is a regressive tax. Turned out not to be as bad as I thought though.

    “… but didn’t feel the need to address them all individually …”

    That wasn’t the point I was making. It was your use of the word ‘just’ that was clearly wrong.

    “The NBN is only a political football because, Tony Abbott, made it one … “

    Both the NBN and NBN Lite are bad policy.

    “Now if John Howard hadn’t taken us to war in Iraq and Afghanistan … we’d probably have $30-40 billion spare change, hanging about …”

    You mean that we would only be $270bn in debt?

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 4:55 pm

    ToM, you must have some strange neighbours … still so do I, one votes Labor ’cause her dad did but defends every Liberal “policy” – its really wierd …

    I must consfess my dear departed Mum, once told me she voted Liberal, because my Grandad, told her to vote, Labour (UK -for lurkers) … au contraire … like I say, dinner was always interesting at my place … my old man was a Labor voter …

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 5:01 pm

    You mean that we would only be $270bn in debt?

    You obviously know more than I do about the National Budget … 😯

    It was your use of the word ‘just’ that was clearly wrong.

    Obviously not to me … sorry if i hurt your feelings … 😦

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 5:09 pm

    Neighbours-

    • Kevin has a lot to say, he’s very intelligent, but sometimes I’ve heard him yelling at the TV. Therese is rich, made her money out of some Howard sell off. I really don’t know why Kevin bothers to work these days, apparently no one there likes him.

    • Malcolm is loaded, the whole family has money. She’s stuck up, he’s a bit pompous. I hope they don’t come to the barbeque.

    • Wayne is a dill, he wants to be treasurer of the PTA, but I wouldn’t trust him with the cheque book.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 5:29 pm

    Chuckle …

  214. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:04 pm

    Essential is out today and the Coalition is still travelling well.

    When the Coalition captures the treasury benches they won’t go near same sex marriage.

    http://essentialvision.com.au/same-sex-marriage-7

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:15 pm

    And I agree with the comment (somewhere) that there will be a resurgence in left wing blogs …

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:23 pm

    “there will be a resurgence in left wing blogs …”

    Has the government cut mental health funding?

  217. April 22, 2013 6:35 pm

    I virtually never posted links on Tim’s blog to support my rants. He never once pulled me up on it, in fact, all of my interactions with him were amicable.

    Min is talking shit at the bottom of a well, where noone can correct her, or those that could won’t, because it is contrary to their arse-about narrative.

    Nearly all of the smelly rightward contributors here herald from blogocracy too. The same ones banned or spurned at Cafe Slop.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:38 pm

    Has the government cut mental health funding?

    Well they let Bolt, Jones, Smith and Ackerman out … can’t be all that bad …

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:41 pm

    I virtually never posted links on Tim’s blog to support my rants

    Come to think of it, I don’t think I knew HOW … in 2005 … I remember how my first post reminded me of a first day (school, work) … and I used to fire up like, sb … chuckle

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:44 pm

    Hey. Ser T, you’ll be pleased to know I’m downloading the server files for Battlefield 4 (freeplay) … wouldn’t do it a fortnight ago for 64 bit …

    Its slow as $#!t … so I thought I play here for a bit …

    Did you just call, sreb and ToM, smelly? Or just ToM?

  221. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:51 pm

    Ooops….got that wrong.

    ‘Mr Abbott also repeated his statements from last week when he said he was prepared to consider giving Coalition MPs a conscience vote on the issue of gay marriage after the federal election.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-says-no-need-for-gonski-funding-reforms-20130421-2i7wy.html#ixzz2RBF2WRVM

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:58 pm

    Ooops….got that wrong.

    Well done, egg … that’s two of us that admit a mistake … pity about ‘tothers … w-a-a-a-a–i-t …

  223. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 6:59 pm

    Abbott’s after the Green vote, saying he’s ‘prepared to consider.’

    Good politicking.

  224. April 22, 2013 7:05 pm

    I object! I’m not a rightard..

    I’ve always been centre-left…

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:05 pm

    Good politicking.

    Hang on … when the ALP did that … you lot bagged ’em?

    Double standards are still double standards … power and CONTROL at any cost …

    FMD how hypocritical …

    Why would you vote for any of the Fuckwits™ … suck me, suck me, suck me … (now I sound like, sb …)

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:06 pm

    I’ve always been centre-left…

    Sorry, old fella, too much disrespect for the PM …

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:07 pm

    Actually, sreb, I’ve suspected for a long time that you are simply a right wing troll …

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:08 pm

    ” smelly rightward contributors

    Possibly, though I think it’s due to drinking very good red, garlic with the main course and wearing Paco Rabanne, rather than my political opinions.

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:08 pm

    FMD – this game controller thingy is STILL downloading … hope its worth it (which I doubt) – I got my money back for BF3 …

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:09 pm

    Roast diner on the way .. smells bewdiful … and the double doors into the office are CLOSED!

  231. April 22, 2013 7:12 pm

    “Sorry, old fella, too much disrespect for the PM …”

    How so..? Gillard isn’t leading a left-wing party..

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:12 pm

    Bloody hell! Just lost 5c worth of wine on the screen … sudden coughing fit …

    … what an odd term … I don’t feel fkn fit when I’m coughing!

    The temp is getting down here …!

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:13 pm

    How so..? Gillard isn’t leading a left-wing party..

    Gotta concede that … apologies … is there anyone in the ALP that can?

  234. April 22, 2013 7:21 pm

    I meant the likes of (some now occasional) contributors such as snacty, Neil, ipaosy, iatw, yomm etc.

    * I concede that rightward is a misnomer & generalisation for them

  235. April 22, 2013 7:21 pm

    Doug Cameron?

  236. April 22, 2013 7:24 pm

    I don’t think Yom is a rightward.

    He hates everyone with equal equanimity.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:46 pm

    My political orientation is the same as John Button, Peter Walsh, Paul Keating.

    Though Keating didn’t consider 2 blokes and a dachshund, sharing a house in Darlinghurst to be “a family”, which may be a little mean spirited.

  238. April 22, 2013 7:53 pm

    I think Paul’s probably changed his views since then Yom.

    Like everyone else except Julia Gillard.

    He was really fond of clocks after all.

    I said CLOCKS!

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 7:58 pm

    I said CLOCKS!

    Why do you always have to focus on YOU!

    Well my half hour downloda was a waste of fkn time … but dinner was (as predicted) bewdiful … I did have to demand a swap of the roast potatoes! Three tichy one on my plate and three fkn monster on The Ministers, and she laughed at me! I don’t mind she training at the moment … MKR is on … I have no idea what they say … particularly the Froggie that sreb likes …

  240. April 22, 2013 8:05 pm

    “particularly the Froggie that sreb likes …”

    It’s the accent. It’s soooo sexy!

  241. April 22, 2013 8:09 pm

    I don’t think YomM is rightward either.

    At times, over the years, he’s displayed a far more consistent social conscience than most of those on the ‘proudly left wing’ blog.

    They tend to confuse criticism of the ALP with default support of the conservative arsehats. More fool them. Useful idiots.

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:12 pm

    LOL! Ya reckon … 🙄

    I don’t think YomM is rightward either.

    Yes! I think there’s something not quite right about, ToM, too … 😉

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:14 pm

    LOL! Ya reckon … 🙄

    Apologies that was aimed at +++It’s the accent. It’s soooo sexy!+++ ROFL!

  244. April 22, 2013 8:21 pm

    Well it’s a bit more sexy than “Ay up lad”

    🙄

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:30 pm

    The most shameful thing I’ve done on a blog is quite recent – I complimented Miglo on the quality of AIMN.

    I repeated the compliment several times, – I’m ashamed of my stupidity.

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:32 pm

    “* I concede that rightward is a misnomer & generalisation for them”

    I am not sure what I am but I am definitely anti-Labor and anti-ALP supporters.

    I spent some time at the Cafe some time ago and someone for the one millionth time tried to convince me that the Howard govt altered the way the unemployment rate was measured.

    This time however it was slightly different. Tony Abbott apparently introduced the rule that you only have to work one hour/week to be considered employed and how evil was Abbott to alter the way unemployment was measured. Howard usually gets the blame for that.

    I had to inform the poster that working one hour/week is the international standard for being classified as employed. However the poster did not believe me.

    I see hundreds of falsehoods on left wing blogs. I assume ALP supporters are telling lies until proven otherwise.

  247. April 22, 2013 8:37 pm

    “I am not sure what I am but I am definitely anti-Labor and anti-ALP supporters.”

    Yes, yes you are. 😉

    “I assume ALP supporters are telling lies until proven otherwise.”

    A dangerous oversimplification.

    It makes you sound like the other side of the same coin, Neil.

  248. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:43 pm

    ‘Hang on … when the ALP did that … you lot bagged ‘em?’

    I know, can’t believe a word any of them say, anyway a promise to consider something is unlikely to attract the Green vote, unless he also seriously considers a VFT at the same time.

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:44 pm

    Well it’s a bit more sexy than “Ay up lad” 🙄

    You speak for yoursel’ … I say, “aye up, lass …” 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I assume ALP supporters are telling lies until proven otherwise.

    Well, Kneel, all I can say is, thank goodness Liberal politicians and supporters don’t tell lies …

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:45 pm

    I assume ALP supporters are telling lies until proven otherwise.

    Neil plays it safe with that standard. It’s a little like saying – “I’ll presume the member of Collingwood Cheer Club are irrational, unless proven otherwise”

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:46 pm

    +++ I know, can’t believe a word any of them say … +++

    I must say, egg, its all got a bit silly!

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2013 8:47 pm

    And that means absolutely nothing to me, ToM …

  253. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:07 pm

    I think I work for the law firm equivalent of Cafe Whispers/AIMN. For the last week every thread has been blocked for reasons ranging from “weapons” to “adult material”. I can just imagine the alarms going off in the eggheads’ office whenever I sneak a look.

  254. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:09 pm

    I prefer “correctward”.

  255. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:30 pm

    ‘I must say, egg, its all got a bit silly!’

    They are unaware we can see them displaying political cunning. Are there any politicians with integrity, or are they all self serving party hacks?

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:34 pm

    I think I work for the law firm equivalent of Cafe Whispers/AIMN.

    Wrong James, the people at your firm have “jobs”

  257. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 22, 2013 9:49 pm

    Hmmmm Tom, sometimes I wonder….

  258. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:02 pm

    “two poofs and a cocker spaniel does not a family make.”

    Sorry ToM

    No dachounds in keatings quote

  259. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:06 pm

    TB

    Put the sante fe link up.

    The rear area is very small and its not 4wd.

    I’m not talking so much about power to weight.

    Honda makes much better stuff. Albeit in Thailand due to the free trade agreement.

  260. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 22, 2013 11:57 pm

    el gordo,

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/31/immigration-as-a-natural-human-right/

    What did I tell you folks? The new mantra of the left…

  261. April 23, 2013 3:22 am

    A Good gay`marriage and Akerman rant
    The Creation Museum has it right! Dinosaurs and humans co-exist! The point was proven this weekend when Piers Ackerman gave his pre-historic views on same-sex marriage on the ABC TV’s Insiders.
    http://thatsmyphilosophy.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/piers-ackerman-dinosaur-extraordinaire/

  262. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 8:22 am

    ‘What did I tell you folks? The new mantra of the left…’

    All illegals could be hunted down and rounded up, too easy, what then?

  263. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 8:33 am

    Peter Cosgrove most likely lad to get the GG job.

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:28 am

    Some rusted-on ALP supporters have capacity for independent thought and enough decency to resign from the party:

    Mr Harrison warned Labor was controlled by a small cabal who were only interested in petty power struggles.

    A self-described “rusted on” Labor supporter, Mr Harrison was president of the Queensland Council of Unions for a decade until 2004 and AMWU secretary for 24 years.

    The former union boss said Labor needed to restrict the power of factions if it was to appeal to more voters, but warned this was only likely to happen if the party was wiped out at the federal election.

    “For change to happen, there has got to be a cataclysmic act like the severe flogging they received in Queensland,” he told The Courier-Mail.

    “The Labor Party will not be a party that attracts a broader group of people while the control mechanisms are in the hands of so few people and the power blocs aren’t challenged.
    “Frankly, reality says that the trade unions cannot continue to have the influence in a broader-based party that they have enjoyed for the last hundred years.”

    Mr Harrison said an AMWU official tried to convince him to renew his party membership, but the only reason offered was so he could vote in internal party ballots.

    “Is that what it’s all about? Getting the numbers?” he said. “That just speaks volumes for where the party has lost the plot.”

    These are the final days of a party so infested with careerist carpet-baggers that its traditional supporters are left gagging with gastric revulsion. This is now a party where power is everything and decency a devalued commodity, where “Labor Values” is just another Pavlovian slogan to be mouthed doggy-style when the spin-doctor rings his cunning bell. It is a party where decent and capable people are marginalised while dumb scum like Gillard and Swan hold the highest offices in the land, governing like misshapen marionettes, jerking and twitching to the rhythm of their pernicious puppeteers, the faction bosses at the top of the Unionland food chain.

  265. April 23, 2013 9:36 am

    Brilliantly put SB…! 🙂

    This is the last dying days of the Gillard govt and quite possibly the end of the Labor party altogether…

    Gillard’s blabbing on education reforms…blah blah blah, without any funding…As if anyone believes anything she says anymore…

    People have simply stopped listening, just as they did in the last dying days of Howard’s govt, and like Howard the fate that awaits her is a monumental landslide loss.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:49 am

    Now the ALP barrackers are making semantics the new differentiator in asylum seeker policy.

    Their new moral high ground comes from the word ‘illegal’.

    Forget locking up children, sending them to an offshore hell hole. Don’t worry about detaining enough people to fill decent sized towns.

    Semantics – the new ALP differentiator.

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:49 am

    Haven’t read the posts above but I think this article is VERY telling for the ALP) … and justifies what a lot of us have been saying …

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/former-union-leader-david-harrison-quits-labor-party-warning-it-has-lost-the-plot/story-fncynjr2-1226626207367

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:55 am

    Apologies, sb, just read your post …

    I agree with what you say BUT it is not restricted to the ALP … and that’s the REAL problem …

    Serving the country? What’s that?

    Uber Kapitalism is destroying any good in people … ’tis about making money and/or helping your mates to make money along the way …

    Even the greens go into politics with thier own secret agendas …

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:57 am

    Forget locking up children, sending them to an offshore hell hole. Don’t worry about detaining enough people to fill decent sized towns.

    But no-one comes up with a workable solution, ToM … even the Howard Pacific Solution wouldn’t deal with the current problem … and wasn’t that found to be legally flawed in some way?

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:07 am

    TB … Put the sante fe link up.

    Here ya go … Wally

    The Hyundai is in the first column the Honda the last … Boot capacity difference is approx 50 litres …

    Note I picked the top of the range Honda … the Hyundai Elite is the mid price only come in diesel and seven seats … enjoy

    http://au.hyundai.clientsites.carspecs.jato.com/au.hyundai/e_brochure.asp?guid=251499E56E414A039B1F6712DD188A65&screen=brochure&category=

    BTW, some mob in Brisbane is offering 10 year warranty and roadside assist for the Honda range … don’t know the “details” …

    I’ll be busy this morning completing our Financial Ombudsman Services dispute form … but I’ll pop back occasionally …

  271. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:11 am

    ” … even the Howard Pacific Solution wouldn’t deal with the current problem … “

    If the ALP hadn’t opened the floodgates and drowned a thousand people or more then this would not be an issue – there would be no current problem. Instead we would be looking at increasing the refugee intake in a controlled manner where we can plan adequately for new arrivals and prioritise them in accordance with UN evaluation of need instead of their ability to bribe people smugglers.

  272. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:18 am

    ‘But no-one comes up with a workable solution,’

    Sir..sir (hand goes up)

  273. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:20 am

    Yes Gordo, irrigate us with your far North-West agriculture plan.

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:00 am

    TB, I’m not sure it’s (asylum seekers) a problem of the magnitude politicians would have us believe.

    The Liberals have been consistently mean spirited, certainly since the ‘another boat, another policy failure’ statement.

    The ALP chose to make political capital out of the issue. They then chose to compete in the race to the bottom, and beyond anything reasonable people would contemplate.

    I think there are a range of less punitive options, but no silver bullet. I’ve outlined a few of them in the past-
    *A different form of family TPVs
    *On the ground education for young fishermen (in Java etc)
    *Electronic tracking (if tracking is needed)

    But the ALP’s only policy is increasing the punishment of the innocent. It wants ‘tough’ rather than ‘reasonable, effective and humanitarian’

  275. April 23, 2013 11:05 am

    “But the ALP’s only policy is increasing the punishment of the innocent. It wants ‘tough’ rather than ‘reasonable, effective and humanitarian”

    Exactly, and Gillard’s very public assurances to the great unwashed out in Western Sydney that under no circumstances would asylum seekers we allowed to find employment to support themselves was the depths of depravity.

  276. April 23, 2013 11:06 am

    “Yes Gordo, irrigate us with your far North-West agriculture plan”

    Don’t tell me Gordo’s a Crapperville advocate…?

  277. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:08 am

    The northern kibbutz is open for business, come one, come all.

    Agribusiness is the future.

  278. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:22 am

    “Yes Gordo, irrigate us”

    I was feeling like a roll in the trough this morning. :mrgreen

  279. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:22 am

    :mrgreen:

  280. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 12:03 pm

    Thinking back over Sparta’s WP link there is a tendency to forget what made the US great, cheap labour through waves of immigration.

    Most notable was the Irish after the potato blight and then the freed African slaves after the civil war, who undercut them.

    The migration problems they have in the US is unrelated to Australia’s circumstance in the 21st century.

  281. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 12:26 pm

    Open borders make sense if there is no welfare to attract immigrants. That is why the US prospered from 19th century immigration. Once you add significant welfare costs to immigration then the resources available to the state constrain the number of immigrants that can be taken in at any one time.

  282. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 1:30 pm

    Yep, that makes sense SB and its the argument Sparta has been making.

    ‘Don’t tell me Gordo’s a Crapperville advocate…?’

    It was before my time here, could someone enlighten me on this Crapperville?

    Scaper has always fancied himself as a projectionist and I would be curious to see how its panned out. I would ask him myself, but being banned….

  283. April 23, 2013 2:07 pm

    Crapperville was scaper’s arsehat idea to build a burgeoning metropolis in the middle of nowhere with transport links to other main centres…

    Sort of like some fly infested rat hole in the middle of the desert…

  284. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 2:16 pm

    He probably had in mind a city with all modern conveniences.

    It may have worked if they had got their VFT from Townsville to Port Hedland, with state of the art satellite towns dotted along the way.

    When I spoke to him last (in that den) Scaper told me the VFT is off, so obviously there will be no Crapperville anytime soon.

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 2:38 pm

    … there will be no Crapperville anytime soon.

    You’re really getting to the heart of quite a few things just lately, egg … well spotted (not you your comment … 🙂 )

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 2:47 pm

    The notion of Crapperville with Scaper as Mayor for Life is hilarious.

    He wanted a hub, a city in the desert, a vibrant busy metropolis!

    Great, but anyone would have to presume that he’s never been past Dubbo. The outback is ugly, dusty, hot and has blow flies the size of sparrows.

    There’s a reason that there are few people inland- it’s pretty well uninhabitable. Mining towns aren’t developed because people don’t like staying in those places any longer than they have to.

    The Mayor of Crapperville is hilarious and delusional.

    His company is appreciated by some sites.

  287. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 3:06 pm

    Eruptions I could understand, but…

    A senior Iranian cleric says women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes.

    Iran is one of the world’s most earthquake-prone countries, and the cleric’s unusual explanation for why the earth shakes follows a prediction by the president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that a quake is certain to hit Tehran and that many of its 12 million inhabitants should relocate.

    “Many women who do not dress modestly … lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which increases earthquakes,” Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying by Iranian media. Women in the Islamic Republic are required by law to cover from head to toe, but many, especially the young, ignore some of the more strict codes and wear tight coats and scarves pulled back that show much of the hair. “What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble?” Sedighi asked during a prayer sermon last week. “There is no other solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam’s moral codes.”

  288. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 3:17 pm

    The desert is also pristine and beautiful, its a matter of perspective.

    Air conditioned satellite towns, with solar and wind farms generating energy, should be viable if they had a commercial reason to exist.

    Of course if southerners don’t want the jobs we always have 457.

    Scaper makes a typical error, projecting in linear fashion instead of cyclic. What he envisages is someway off.

  289. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 3:20 pm

    “The desert is also pristine and beautiful, its a matter of perspective.”

    Yes, but if you take in too many immodest Iranian women you will have earthquakes.

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 3:24 pm

    Then South Yarra must have measured 9.8 on the Richter scale on Saturday night.

  291. April 23, 2013 3:40 pm

    “Air conditioned satellite towns,”

    😯

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 3:52 pm

    Mining towns aren’t developed because people don’t like staying in those places any longer than they have to.

    Not quite true, TOm … having spent many a blissful******** night in mining towns … its the mining companies that won’t build them … cheaper to FIFO … some mines have a 50 – 100 year life – often extended with surveys nearby … many families would prefer to be together …

    His company is appreciated by some sites.

    He doesn’t have one … 😉 😆

    Agree with the rest …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “There is no other solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam’s moral codes.”

    I can think of one …

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 3:58 pm

    “I can think of one …”

    Wanking?

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:08 pm

    Plenty of that around here and we have had no earthquakes!

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:29 pm

    +++Wanking?+++

    Similar … it does go off with a bang …

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:31 pm

    Plenty of that around here and we have had no earthquakes!

    So where are you wanking, sb? 🙄

  297. gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:33 pm

    They are seeking volunteers to go to Mars and stay there as a colony. So if a young hopeful spent a few years at a place that looked like Mars, it would add weight to their CV..

  298. April 23, 2013 4:42 pm

    “They are seeking volunteers to go to Mars”

    Maybe they could send Catching Up..

    She’s already off the planet, So it shouldn’t be too far to travel…

  299. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:43 pm

    I wasn’t referring to myself, obviously. But I can see why god gave me two hands when I consider the size of my …..

  300. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:47 pm

    ‘She’s already off the planet, So it shouldn’t be too far to travel…’

    CU is over 18, she would be a shoe-in.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/volunteers-mars-colonization-wanted-apply-today-video-1010076

  301. April 23, 2013 4:50 pm

    “when I consider the size of my …..”

    Ego…?

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:55 pm

    Fuck! Sreb …

  303. April 23, 2013 5:54 pm

    Y’all will be sorry, when The Mayor is finally vindicated & all of his hints at being a very powerful gardener with the ear of the influential prove to be true.

    When he ascends, he will initiate a pogrom against all unbelievers.

    He is a genuine mover & shaker. He is not a self obsessed, semi-literate, delusional, boastful, angry, plagiarising, wannabe-visionary, faux-millionaire who spends his time trying to convince strangers on obscure blogs of his importance at all. No sir.

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 5:55 pm

    Are you doing an, sreb … Ser T?

  305. April 23, 2013 6:03 pm

    Hilariuos, in the last hour, the scaper fucktard, has made bold claims that he recently spoke to ‘a few Coalition frontbenchers’ regarding who they are going to make the next GG! 😆

    Yes, he is really an inside man of tremendous gravity with our federal politicians.

  306. April 23, 2013 6:04 pm

    * hilarious

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 6:30 pm

    Ser T, didn’t you know it was … drumm roll … minutes silence … bugle calls … cannon fire … John WINSTON Howard!

  308. April 23, 2013 7:00 pm

    Miglo also claims that he’s landed a high paying job advising Julia Gillard on social media policy in large part due to the wide and varied public opinion he has access to via his blogs.

    snigger..

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 7:20 pm

    The Cafe Whispers editor!! …or maybe just The Mayor.

  310. April 23, 2013 7:21 pm

    LULZ… 🙂

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 7:28 pm

    It disappeared…

    Actually, this is the Mayor

  312. April 23, 2013 7:40 pm

    Too tall…although he may have bespoke cufflinks under the superman outfit.

    He’s at the bus stop, waiting for the 8:30 to Gina’s house. From there, he’ll fly in her private helicopter to lunch with the Coalition front bench.

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 7:50 pm

    Miglo also claims that he’s landed a high paying job advising Julia Gillard on social media policy

    Ahhh! That explains all the emails I keep getting from unknown people at LaborConnect …

    Kneel get’s his from LiberalCentral … only differnece is that he believes the BS …

    Abetz, even seemed sort of reasonable on 7;30 Report tonight … thank goodness for the ABC editing room … 😆

  314. April 23, 2013 8:06 pm

    “Abetz, even seemed sort of reasonable on 7;30 Report tonight ”

    Yes, although we all know he’s fkn head case.

    Whenever I see him I’m always reminded of some sort of humanoid robot..

    Is he real? How come he doesn’t seem to age?

    When did they replace him……..??

  315. April 23, 2013 8:22 pm

    On a completely different train of thought, why is it that the Jesus freaks (and others) always want today’s society to adhere to constructs that existed hundreds of years ago?

    Society (thankfully) is a much better place than it was even just fifty or sixty years ago, without any help from, and in fact, despite of, the talking snake advocates.

    Why can’t they all just fuck off?

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 8:56 pm

    Mmmm … said with feeling, sreb!

    Based on many many years of experience, I’d say … 🙂

  317. April 23, 2013 8:56 pm

    ” Why can’t they all just fuck off?”
    The dog-bothering industry is a mega-billion dollar profit machine. Why would you think they would or should `walk-away` from that, when you wouldn`t expect Mr-Rabbit`s friends to walk away or stop destroying people and planet for their profits.? Sbs1 has a doco on the oil-industry/mining coming up soon, which l have seen before. ln it you will hear former staff explain that their profit is all that counts, no matter what the consequences are for everybody else. l Highly Recommend it.

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 8:58 pm

    Gawd, fobid that, Tory Abbott, actually cracks it … is the world so twisted and bent … of course it is, we have JG palaying with the apron strings at the moment …

  319. April 23, 2013 9:10 pm

    In simplistic terms this election is about a choice between either a talking snake advocate or an unmarried atheist homophobe who’s beholden to the Union movement..

    How the fuck did we end up here….?? 😯

  320. IPA address permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:39 pm

    Can’t wait for Anzac day and all the usual criticism of “flagsturbating” Aussies honouring their dead soldiers. It’s not just “us” that do it, as anyone who’s visited places like Musee De L’Armee would attest. Most countries do the same. And rightly so, in my opinion.

  321. IPA address permalink
    April 23, 2013 9:49 pm

    I should have said “honouring their dead soldiers”

  322. April 23, 2013 9:53 pm

    The embedded media seem to prefer the talking snake advocate over the unmarried atheist phobe and are trying to convert the public to their delusion.

  323. April 23, 2013 10:36 pm

    sbs1 news, australia`s terrorism threat level/alert is `medium`, and hasn`t changed since 2001.

  324. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:38 pm

    TB

    Thanks for the link but you do realise that it’s the CRV with the bigger cargo space I trust.

    By 40 litres approx.

  325. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:44 pm

    ‘How the fuck did we end up here….??’

    Having a catlick as PM is not exactly novel, whereas joolya’s behaviour is unique and rather odd.

    She won’t allow same sex marriage because the god botherers might think her queer, as if being an ‘unmarried atheist homophobe’ is not queer enough.

    Even the Muslims will be voting for a catlick in September, which is better in their minds than voting for a dog less woman.

  326. April 23, 2013 11:08 pm

    When we compare the boston blast with the texas blast, we can now confirm american incompetence is still much a bigger threat than `terrorist` threats.

  327. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:16 pm

    “The desert is also pristine and beautiful, its a matter of perspective.”

    It is truly beautiful

    If you are a vulture or crow or blowfly

  328. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:20 pm

    So Miglo might end up manager of the National Tally Room ?

    When will the election result be “correct” enough to be released. ?

    Is Catching Up going to be the host for the ABC coverage ?

  329. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:27 pm

    I used to have a Ford ToSY.

    An old xe. But the workmanship is not there. Similar in quality to Chrysler and Jeep.

    I was considering buying an open roof Cherokee.
    Until I read a review site with very pissed off buyers.

    This nation should be able to build the worlds greatest affordable 4wd.

    But we don’t

  330. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 24, 2013 12:33 am

    “Open borders make sense if there is no welfare to attract immigrants. “

    Bingo…It is all about the “pull” factors folks, as many of you know…The welfare states in the EU are collapsing under the weight of providing welfare to the WORLD. One does not board a leaky boat or cross a scorching desert on a whim. People always wonder why I link asylum seekers with the illegal immigration problem here in the States. Well, the “legal technicalities” aside; one must look at the common denominator. We live a good life in the WEST and the 3rd world wants it…Unfortunately, you guys “Down Under” have no idea what it is to contend with an unarmed invasion bearing sob stories and hungry mouths instead of guns. Yes, that “sounds” harsh but it no less accurate. Do I fault them; hell no…I understand completely but like every other policy these days our current immigration systems in the West do not account for the economic or cultural demands of tomorrow. We are trying to apply 60 year old UN Charters and nostalgic notions of immigration past to a very, very different world.

    I do feel for people fleeing poverty and all that entails but current policy is doing nothing to alleviate the fall out of poverty here in the West; it is exacerbating it. Lost in all of Australia’s debates about “the poor refugee and their children” is the poor Australian/US Citizen and their children. It is very simple, we only have so many resources, saying that the overwhelming majority go to our own citizenry FIRST is hardly a controversial notion. If Government agencies have to struggle to find funds, housing etc for its own citizens due to the demands of the UN and special interest groups, it is a major problem. Our politicians are beholden to the citizens first and certainly not to the failed states and millions of people that are now trying to migrate to our shores under many different guises. Simply showing up is hardly a logical immigration system. We have given said 3rd world every incentive to do nothing to fix the system at home when it is much EASIER to just flee to the West. Looking at this from the stand point of a photo of some woman and her child on the deck of a boat or crossing the desert is to miss completely the BIG PICTURE.

    It is for our respective countries to determine who comes and goes; under what circumstances and who is to receive the assistance of the public dime; not the economic migrant, not their misguided advocates, and not the UN who consists MOSTLY of those same countries whose citizens flee to our shores (they are more than happy to export their poverty/responsibilities and then guilt us when we call them on it with cries of racism, xenophobia etc)…We need real leadership and hard choices must be made; feel good catch phrases, photos and outdated arguments need to give way to COMMON SENSE again or we will over time destroy our way of life and what made us the place all wish to live now.

  331. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2013 3:24 am

    Way to undertake some preemptive flagsturbatorial apologetics there, pia. 🙄

    Of course I realise most other countries indulge in flagstubation. Did you think I only have derision in mind for homegrown flagsturbators?
    I’m a bit more attuned to global jingobabbling than that.

    Nice strawman you built there.

  332. el gordo permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:25 am

    In the US at the moment there is a huge immigration debate and Sparta’s ‘common sense’ approach is what’s up for grabs.

    Europe and the US are in a real pickle but we don’t have to go down the same road, so that’s why I’m suggesting Crapperville Kibbutz. The heat and flies in the middle of a desert is where economic refugees (sic) need to chill out before being allowed to settle.

    Many of these illegals are actually gangsters who have flown in on false passports. It serves no useful purpose sending them home only to have them return at a later date with new dodgy papers.

    Five years spent at Crapperville doing hard labour will send a strong message and act as a deterrent.

    Genuine refugees are welcome to enter mainstream society on arrival, along with our normal intake of immigrants, its only those fleeing poverty that need to be given crap medicine.

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:37 am

    TB

    Thanks for the link but you do realise that it’s the CRV with the bigger cargo space I trust.

    By 40 litres approx.

    LOL!

    Wally, your attention to detail bothers me a bit … especially for your claimed profession …

    FYI from my post with the link …

    +++TB … Put the sante fe link up.

    Here ya go … Wally

    The Hyundai is in the first column the Honda the last … Boot capacity difference is approx 50 litres …+++

    … the CRV doesn’t compete in much else … and I can assure you the Santa Fe has plenty of room to transport luggage for two couples for a week on a houseboat … and plenty of power and torque to do it … did you compare ALL the specs/options I supplied … ?

    Most car reviews put the Honda in the middle of the pack …

    BTW did you know the Elite was voted best SUV over $40000 … after I bought one too …

    If you like the Honda … buy one … all about choice … and value for money …

  334. el gordo permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:42 am

    Scaper said he was in touch with Opposition frontbenchers over the weekend and Joy says he’s full of horse shit.

    Who to believe?

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:17 am

    Politicians know they have to deal with all types. They have to put up with calls from grumpy elderly people, politicised public servants and even delusional gardeners.

    Upon replacing the telephone receiver, the politician no doubt says to their staffer- ‘Bruce, could you try to screen out that delusional c**t from now on’

  336. April 24, 2013 10:21 am

    LOL.. 🙂

  337. gordo permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:44 am

    Much amusement, thanks ToM.

  338. April 24, 2013 10:55 am

    I hear a government spokesman on the wireless yesterday spruiking the Gonski reforms saying that the current education system was alright for the 1990’s but it is not appropriate for the two thousand and thirteens or the two thousand and fifteens.

    Now call me pedantic, but isn’t there only going to be one 2013 and one 2015?

    So the correct thing to say would’ve been:

    “the current education system was alright for the 1990’s but it is not appropriate for 2013 or 2015.”

    Just saying.

    Who needs this so-called “education reform” again…?

  339. April 24, 2013 2:20 pm

    BREAKING NEWS!!!

    Tony Abbott breaks his silence and will appear live – yes LIVE on the 730 Report tonight. Live in person – answering actual questions!!!*

    *disclaimer: Mr Abbott’s answers may not contain answers.

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2013 2:49 pm

    That’s a surprise!

    …unless the 7.30 Report has co-opted Julie Bishop as the interviewer.

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 2:57 pm

    I do hope ToRy Abbott digresses from the script … AND I do hope Ms Sales is the interrogator interviewer …

    Just sayin’ …

    @sreb, fkn “wireless” … I hope you say fils and not fkn movies too! … and footpath not sidewalk (Poms say pavement) … biscuits not cookies …

    But we have dollars … what happened to my Oz?

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 2:58 pm

    Now there’s a thought … if we changed the name of the dollar, maybe the exchange rate would go down?

  343. April 24, 2013 3:36 pm

    Yes TB – it’s Leigh Sales.

  344. April 24, 2013 3:37 pm

    “footpath not sidewalk”

    Nope – “pavement”

  345. April 24, 2013 3:48 pm

    Apparently a few people are going to be playing #AbbottBingo on twitter tonight..

    I’d better get another bottle…

  346. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:08 pm

    “Uh, uh, that’s a very good question Leigh. But uh, uh, let’s be clear about, uh, this. We just, uh, don’t know how bad things are until, uh, uh, we’ve seen the figures, Leigh. So, uh, uh, I am not making any commitments uh, uh, such times as uh, we know how bad things are.

    As to the, uh, second part of your question Leigh, uh, uh I don’t lie, uh, uh, or when I do I, uh, I usually lose focus and say “uh” a few times until I get my story, uh, more or less, uh, straight. And, uh, yes, Leigh, uh, uh, I uh, I have sometimes told the truth when being interviewed.”

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:12 pm

    Sounds like, sb’s, having another happy hour with himself …

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:13 pm

    Ooops 🙂 😆

  349. April 24, 2013 4:19 pm

    I thought he channeled Abbott with aplomb.

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:25 pm

    What the fk would he do with a plumb!!!

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    On a serious not … Julia and ToRy have really got it wrong …

    France legalises gay marriage after intense national debate

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/france-legalises-gay-marriage-after-intense-national-debate/story-fnet09p2-1226628266250

  351. grodo permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:25 pm

    It was a good effort by SB, on a par with ToM’s joolya.

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:27 pm

    +++On a serious not+++ Its actually a serious yes!

    For the slower ones here “not” should read “note” … the keyboard just doesn’t keep up with my fingers!

  353. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2013 5:02 pm

    TB, I am sure an expert fingersmith such as yourself can master any keyboard and much else besides!

  354. April 24, 2013 5:26 pm

    Such dexterous articulation should see TB elevated to the status of Master Prostate Examiner.

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 5:36 pm

    Who’s Prostate? I generally stand up …

  356. April 24, 2013 6:23 pm

    pros·tate
    [pros-teyt] Show IPA Anatomy .

    adjective
    1.
    Also, pros·tat·ic [pro-stat-ik] Show IPA . of or pertaining to the prostate gland.

    noun
    2.
    prostate gland.

    pros·trate
    [pros-treyt] Show IPA verb, pros·trat·ed, pros·trat·ing, adjective

    verb (used with object)
    1.
    to cast (oneself) face down on the ground in humility, submission, or adoration.

    2.
    to lay flat, as on the ground.

    3.
    to throw down level with the ground.

    4.
    to overthrow, overcome, or reduce to helplessness.

    5.
    to reduce to physical weakness or exhaustion.

  357. April 24, 2013 6:24 pm

    Prostration wouldn’t become you at all, TB.

    Prostate examination though…well, someone’s gotta do it.

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 6:50 pm

    I hope you enjoy yours, toilette …

    I have so far avoided one … both my doctors (retired and present) use blood tests …

    I know most heteros shudder at the thought … but I’m curious, do gays take it in their stride (so to speak)? I should think that they would find it just as invasive …

    Just sayin’

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Taken three days and the Financial Ombudsman Service’s online dispute form is now complete – including nine attachments … I shall review, edit and submit on Friday!

    (I’ll be otherwise engaged tomorrow … 😉 )

  359. April 24, 2013 6:58 pm

    I am impervious to ailments…

  360. April 24, 2013 7:04 pm

    ctrl>alt>del…leftclick>prostate>invincibility>toiletboss>>>wins!

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:07 pm

    I am impervious to ailments…

    What bullshit! Toillette … you’re South Australian, you get Mexicanitis there all the time …

  362. April 24, 2013 7:10 pm

    I think Splatter’s Abbott impersonation is on the money…

    🙂

  363. April 24, 2013 7:15 pm

    No, I insist. I am impervious.

    Resolute cynicism protects both my bodily and mental functions.

    Perhaps I have evolved into a higher being? Several rungs…nay! several ladders higher up the chart of progress than Queenslanders…

  364. April 24, 2013 7:17 pm

    Me too, reb.

    I confess, I can’t watch Abbott on 730. It would be a terrible way to come down off of nightshift.

    I’ll wait until I see the pillock in the flesh in around a week. [evil guffaw]

  365. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:18 pm

    South Australians are not normal, I’ll give you that.

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:29 pm

    Several rungs…nay! several ladders higher up the chart of progress than Queenslanders…

    You fkn wish, sunshine crow eater …

    South Australians are not normal, I’ll give you that.

    Anyone south of the border is suspect in the Sunshine state, IPA (why did you pick fkn IPA?)

    About to line up for a taste of, ToRy Abbott … fresh chunky bread, Angus stew slow cooked … I hope he doesn’t taint it too much … or give me nightmares – I’ll need to be up at 5:00am tomorrow!

  367. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:31 pm

    It’s about time Abbott started talking about his plans for a new government, otherwise how can he claim any kind of mandate?

  368. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:37 pm

    ‘(why did you pick fkn IPA?)’

    Well reb was telling someone (one of 7:30reportland’s sock-puppets) he knew who they were because of their IP address, and it was about the time of the Abbott/Murdoch/Bolt IPA function, so I just combined the two. (I was already aware reb would know my identity from my previous handle.) 😉

  369. April 24, 2013 7:38 pm

    He’ s far too shrewd for that, PIA.

    In his defence. They all do it.

    The other lot have gifted him a walk up start. He is under no compulsion (aside from a moral one) to actually be honest with the electorate.

    If you let me know what you want me to ask him, I’ll write it on a brick and throw it at him put it to him as he peddles pedals through town next week. 😉

  370. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:43 pm

    (I actually have a WordPress blog on a topic completely unrelated to politics, and one where dailytrash-scum are not welcome most here would find uninteresting.)

  371. April 24, 2013 7:44 pm

    None of your ‘disguises’ have been that good.

    I’m pretty well convinced these days that individuals have recognisable ‘styles’ which don’t sneak by those who are familiar with them.
    That and the people who comments are directed towards are a bit of a giveaway.

    It would take deft wordsmithing to do otherwise.

  372. April 24, 2013 7:45 pm

    Politics licks the bags.

    Other stuff is a welcome distraction sometimes.

  373. April 24, 2013 7:50 pm

    Abbott is travelling quite well so far..

    Surprisingly.

  374. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:51 pm

    ‘individuals have recognisable ‘styles’’

    I’m aware of that, it’s called a writers “voice”.

    (Your giveaway is a fetish for the ampersand.) 😉

  375. April 24, 2013 7:52 pm

    ” As to the, uh, second part of your question Leigh, uh, uh I don’t lie, uh, uh, or when I do I, uh, I usually lose focus and say “uh” a few times until I get my story, uh, more or less, uh, straight. And, uh, yes, Leigh, uh, uh, I uh, I have sometimes told the truth when being interviewed.”
    ******************
    well predicted splatter, that`s exactly how it`s going down

  376. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:52 pm

    The Cafe crowd will now know Leigh Sales is a member of the Hate Media.

  377. vft permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:55 pm

    Leigh was very polite to the future PM.

  378. April 24, 2013 7:56 pm

    Abbott given a relatively free ride from Leigh Sales…

    Where’s Red Kerry when you need him..

  379. April 24, 2013 7:57 pm

    Abbott said that “this government” is “booby-trapping the future” ..

    Really…?

  380. April 24, 2013 7:58 pm

    Did everybody notice Sales tossed up the fact that our debt is low and not`out-of-control` but Mr-Rabbit clings to his slash and burn fetish.?

  381. April 24, 2013 8:05 pm

    ” Abbott given a relatively free ride from Leigh Sales”
    Yeah, l`d go along with that, she could have gone a lot harder, and should have. Sales didn`t really shake loose much in the way of `detail` as far as l`m concerned.

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:07 pm

    It would take deft wordsmithing to do otherwise.

    I agree, toilette, no-one has ever picked my sock puppets …

    Re: ToRy Abbott

    The man is frightening – it may be ’cause I’m reading, Churchill’s War (a man I have always detested – know thine enemy?) …

    But Abbott is not a Prime Minister’s bumhole …

    It tells you reams about the Party that both elected him and keep him there … PUPPET!

    And, yes, sb, your characterisation was bloody close! (He’s been to the same elocutory specialist as Pyne .. and reduced his uhs a bit …

    How wearying an interview … and why did I think that Ms Sales was following the script … she can do so much better than that …

    Imagine a bloody Boston Bomb crisis in this country … Obama can’t get much done (and that’s the Congress) but he can say the words … we have no-one …

    My mind flits back constantly to, Turnbull … whenever I watch Abbott, Gillard or t’other wannabe – Rudd – now a spent force …

    Such a fabulous country of 23,000,000 people and we don’t have a leader … or is it a case of a leader we deserve?

  383. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:07 pm

    Heads’ll be exploding in Kafland.

  384. April 24, 2013 8:13 pm

    Minipiglo, is one I have suspicions about, but can’t quite put my finger on.

    I do find it hilariously provocative.

    And it’s obviously a regular or a longterm lurker.

  385. April 24, 2013 8:19 pm

    “Minipiglo, is one I have suspicions about, but can’t quite put my finger on.”

    In a remarkable coincidence, whatever happened to Pip at the cafe…?

    She seemed to vanish almost overnight after the infamous Cafe Darling Harbour #ShaggerGate affair.

    And then Minpiglo just turned up here.

    Coincidence? I think not…!

  386. vft permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:23 pm

    I was under the impression Minipiglo is a triumvirate of sorts.

  387. April 24, 2013 8:24 pm

    Shaun MIcallef’s Mad As Hell is comedy gold tonight!

  388. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:26 pm

    “Did everybody notice Sales tossed up the fact that our debt is low and not`out-of-control`”

    And why is it not out of control?? You know I don’t think I have ever seen in my lifetime any Labor govt pay off debt. And you forget, we are a Federation. You have to include State govt as well as Federal govt debt. And look at what happened to Queensland

    http://www.qut.edu.au/about/news/news?news-id=40695

    Up to 2004 there were no problems with Queensland govt debt. But it exploded from 2004 just when the mining boom started. Have a look at the graph in the link. Looks like Queensland wasted all the proceeds of the mining boom.

  389. April 24, 2013 8:28 pm

    Even looking under the network bonnet, l have no idea who Minipigreblo is.

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:28 pm

    FK me … vft … LOL!

    Bugger I missed Micallef ,,, too busy playing here! The man is brilliant at political satire … not so sure about his MR & Mrs Murder crap show …

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:29 pm

    And don’t miss Qi, sreb …

    BTW have you been watching George Gently? Martin Shaw as good as ever!

  392. April 24, 2013 8:32 pm

    I have TB, but I missed last week’s episode so will have to catch up on iview..

    Strongly recommend you catch up on tonight’s episode of Mad As Hell on iview it’s priceless tonight…!

  393. vft permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:35 pm

    I’m now a lower case vft because of my vegan diet.

  394. April 24, 2013 8:37 pm

    OK so I’ll take the bait egg, what the fck is VFT…?

  395. April 24, 2013 8:37 pm

    Shaun MIcallef’s
    he must read the trash reb, last week he put one of my comments on his show

  396. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:39 pm

    Looks like Queensland wasted all the proceeds of the mining boom.

    By building all those train depots, lines, ports and associated infrastructure to make it easier for miners to rip OUR coal out of the ground as quickly and cheaply as possible … stuff Noddy Newman’s lot won’t have to do … until the next turn around and the Libs lose and infrastructure has to be renewed, rebuilt or restructured … and the cycle continues …

    As for the states … I’ve been saying for some time now that we get rid of state governments altogether and support local councils more … this is one nation … not six …

    … no more hasling over education, roads, health, aged care … state GG’s and beaurocracy the list goes on …

  397. April 24, 2013 8:40 pm

    Very Fcukin Torie, or Very Fast Train

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:41 pm

    Strongly recommend you catch up on tonight’s episode of Mad As Hell on iview it’s priceless tonight

    I will – a benefit of Smart TV!

  399. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:42 pm

    +++OK so I’ll take the bait egg, what the fck is VFT…?+++

    Vivacious Fkn Tart … nah … think trains, sreb …

  400. April 24, 2013 8:46 pm

    ” been saying for some time now that we get rid of state governments altogether”
    That won`t happen TB. Canberra/Federal exists because the States/Colonies created it to operate at their pleasure, not the other way around, as Republicans seem to believe.

  401. April 24, 2013 8:48 pm

    “he must read the trash reb, last week he put one of my comments on his show”

    Seriously..? You’re not doing a landscaper are you…?

  402. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:49 pm

    “By building all those train depots, lines, ports and associated infrastructure to make it easier for miners to rip OUR coal out of the ground as quickly and cheaply as possible ”

    Are you saying that Beattie did not start building these things until 2004 because that is when debt started to explode in Queensland. And it exploded during the biggest mining boom in Australian history. Why did Beattie wait so long to start building ports??

    And by the way Bob Carr did nothing in NSW and he was Labor. Carr appears to have been Premier of the most corrupt govt in Australian history

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:51 pm

    sreb, don’t you remember Dolly Downer … “we do live in a society its not just an economy” … in 2007 … I nearly fell off my chair … other poster saw it too …

    Maybe VFT is Very Frequent Troll?

  404. April 24, 2013 8:53 pm

    Did Dolly say that…? (seems to contradict normal Tory mantra)

  405. April 24, 2013 8:56 pm

    Stuffed birds.

    I quite like the idea of having stuffed birds in my home, but I think it’s not particularly good Feng Shui.

    And I think I’d probably get tired of looking at them after a while anyway.

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:56 pm

    Why did Beattie wait so long to start building ports??

    … increases in mining activity increase the need for more infrastructure …

    You did say once that you had been employed to advise the Howard government … do you feel responsible for its demise in 2007, or is it something deeper?

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 8:59 pm

    Did Dolly say that…? (seems to contradict normal Tory mantra)

    That’s what made it a hypocritical stand out … I’m disappointed you don’t remember … 😦

    ‘Scuse me – stuffed birds? but I think it’s not particularly good Feng Shui. Especially not for the birds, I’d say!

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:00 pm

    Gotta go … see you all on Friday …

    Lest We Forget

  409. vft permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:02 pm

    vft is the new me. In other news….modern warfare.

    ‘A group of Syrian hackers have claimed responsibility for tweeting a false report by the Associated Press of explosions at the White House which plunged the DOW Jones Industrial average more than 100 points and the Standard & Poor’s 500 to lose $136.5 billion.

    ‘Breaking: Two Explosions in the White House and Barack Obama is injured,’ the news agency Tweeted just after 1pm on Tuesday causing panic to some of their near 2 million followers.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313652/AP-Twitter-hackers-break-news-White-House-explosions-injured-Obama.html#ixzz2RNS4Y0dK
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  410. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:02 pm

    “You did say once that you had been employed to advise the Howard government”

    ???? Telling falsehoods is the characteristic of Labor supporters.

    And Queensland State debt went from $20B in 2004 to $80B in 2011. Sounds more like typical Labor govt mismanagement. You do know that Cain/Kirner almost bankrupted Victoria. Looks like Beattie/Bligh tried to do the same thing to Queensland.It also lost its credit rating like Victoria did.

    It always happens with Labor. Nothing ever changes. And the LIbs are elected to clean up the mess.

  411. April 24, 2013 9:03 pm

    Goodnight TB, and I agree with the sentiments “Lest We Forget”..

    I must confess my thinking has changed on this in recent months/years, especially in the context of RSL “clubs” Just becoming pokie and drinking dens in recent years…

  412. April 24, 2013 9:13 pm

    ” Seriously..? You’re not doing a landscaper are you.?”
    nah, it was my crack about Mr-Talkbull will save 33% on fast`rail` by taking the rail to the outer-suburbs, then horse and cart to the city center, Shaun did very similar on the show.

  413. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:14 pm

    TB

    That original link no longer works. However the sante fe website has

    516litres and Honda says 556.

    If you fold down the seats the sante fe wins if you put the kids in the Rhino box

  414. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:17 pm

    Nice day on the market, Evil Walrus. 😉

  415. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:24 pm

    “I will – a benefit of Smart TV!”

    I doubt there is a smart transvestite in Queensland.

    But interesting that you have one in your household.

  416. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:29 pm

    Yes IPA

    I have quite a few Woodside and smiled through yesterday and today.
    Santos once it has its act together might be the same.

    Sold out of QBE position as not doing enough at the moment. Rio and BHP are at nice levels and
    Newcrest is looking enticing.

  417. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 24, 2013 10:47 pm

    If anyone including that fuckwit Ross Garnaut appears on your TV saying the China story is over.

    Take heart and buy resource stocks.

    I have never heard a bigger fuckwit economist in my time.
    He has plenty of critics but keeps his position because of ALP links.

    I do wish someone would ask this great environmentalist fuckwit Garnaut about his role in the mass poisoning/pollution at Ok Tedi

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2013 11:39 pm

    Right, so Ross Garnaut wants an international market price for carbon, against a fixed international price of a $. That should make it fun for clever traders.

    A more reliable use of our international reserves would be to put the lot on black.

  419. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 24, 2013 11:50 pm

    Yes ToM

    Certain people are on a different planet.

    Let me at the Budget.

    I” ll show em how its done

    LOL

    ps Been busy of late. Has that “cull” started yet ?

    Should I do a head count at another place yet ?

    LOL

  420. vft permalink
    April 25, 2013 7:08 am

    Garnaut and Flannery should feel the rod against their backs when Tabit becomes master.

    They have both done a great disservice to this country.

  421. vft permalink
    April 25, 2013 7:36 am

    The dip shit who scrapped the register has pissed himself.

    ‘ALCOHOL-RELATED emergency admissions to Alice Springs hospital have almost doubled since the Northern Territory scrapped its Banned Drinker Register, amid claims the government tried to prevent the damaging figures becoming public.

    ‘Data obtained by The Australian show hospital admissions in which alcohol was a factor rose from about 10 per cent in August, just before the register was scrapped by the incoming Country Liberal Party government, to 20 per cent at the end of January.’

    Aikman and Schliebs in the Oz

  422. vft permalink
    April 25, 2013 7:49 am

    His name is Terry Mills (Liberal Country) and he’s clearly in the pocket of big alcohol.

  423. April 25, 2013 8:20 am

    VFT.? _ Vanquished Fragile Troll.?

  424. April 25, 2013 8:26 am

    LOL.. 🙂

  425. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 10:09 am

    Yes…

  426. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 3:38 pm

    “As the Ambassador here in Australia, it was especially troubling to find out that Australian fans were some of the worst offenders with among the highest piracy rates of Game of Thrones in the world.”

    Daily Terror

  427. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 4:50 pm

    I agree with Fitz, its insidious.

  428. April 25, 2013 5:11 pm

    waterhouse
    Good rant by Fitz. Holmes/mediawatch had a rant along similar lines a couple of weeks back. l rarely watch sport, but it does seem that kids are being over-exposed to gambling, which is probably intentional, advertisers don`t pay big-buck$ without doing the market research and demographics first.

  429. IPA address permalink
    April 25, 2013 5:32 pm

    Wowsers. 😉

  430. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 5:44 pm

    chuckle

  431. public toilet permalink
    April 25, 2013 8:48 pm

    Well seasoned.

    You know civilisation has encroached too far when I’m in range, even way the fuck out here.

    * I have a cheap machete. (True)

    ** I have access to innumerable firearms.

  432. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 25, 2013 11:59 pm

    http://www.euronews.com/2013/04/25/switzerland-angers-brussels-over-immigration-quotas/

    Well at least the Swiss get it…LOL

  433. IPA address permalink
    April 26, 2013 9:13 am

    Kathryn Robinson, presenter of Ten’s Meet The Press, refers to the Boston bombing suspects last Sunday as “two disenfranchised, radicalised teenagers” and “two young boys – allegedly – and a backpack, disenfranchised youths”. This was well after the suspects had been caught/killed and their identities and ages were well known.

  434. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2013 10:32 am

    26 certainly isn’t a ‘boy’ or a teenager.

    When white, university educated, sporting participant males start using disaffection as an excuse for killing people …what will the genuinely marginalised do?

  435. egg permalink
    April 26, 2013 11:01 am

    Then there is this….

    ‘Reddit general manager Erik Martin this week apologised in a blog post for the “dangerous speculation” that “spiraled into very negative consequences for innocent parties”, and apologised publicly to Tripathi’s family “for all the pain they had to endure”.

    Daily Terror

  436. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 26, 2013 12:40 pm

    The media like our president here refuse to address the underlying issue…Until you can at least admit what the problem is you will never be able to begin trying to solve it…What a moronic bunch the left is….

  437. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 26, 2013 12:58 pm

    Clearly this is a problem of disaffected youths. Maybe it is because of the racist nature of American society.

    Any examination of the reasons given by terrorists for their actions is obviously racist Islamophobia. Islam is a Religion of Peace™.

    Anyone who says Islam encourages is violence is a greasy Islamophobe. Come to think of it that would make the perpetrators of 90% of the world’s terrorist attacks Islamophobes, wouldn’t it?

  438. TB Queensland permalink
    April 26, 2013 6:44 pm

    l rarely watch sport, but it does seem that kids are being over-exposed to gambling, which is probably intentional,

    If you can’t flog ’em cigs … ?????

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    April 26, 2013 6:51 pm

    Anyone who says Islam encourages is violence is a greasy Islamophobe. Agree

    Islam is a Religion of Peace Agree

    Anyone who says that the word of the Jesus Christ encourages violence is a greasy … insert insult here…

  440. egg permalink
    April 26, 2013 7:44 pm

    ‘Even now, I think, in the journalistic mainstream, the view remains that “climate change” is a scientific debate about man’s influence on global warming. And it so isn’t. What it really is is just another proxy conflict in the culture wars: between those who believe in limited government, low taxation, minimal regulation, personal responsibility, free markets and liberty on the one hand; and on the other those who believe in an ever-enlarging state (perhaps even to the point of One World Government), high tax, more regulation, and rule by an elite of technocrats and “experts” on the other. I argue this, as those of you who have read it will know, in Watermelons.’

    James Delingpole

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    April 26, 2013 7:49 pm

    I shall be very interested in what Clivey Palmer has to say about his revival of the UAP!

  442. egg permalink
    April 26, 2013 8:04 pm

    “There’s a whole new audience out there, and it’s never been easier to sell [one’s art],” Banksy has maintained. “You don’t have to go to college, drag ’round a portfolio, mail off transparencies to snooty galleries or sleep with someone powerful, all you need now is a few ideas and a broadband connection. This is the first time the essentially bourgeois world of art has belonged to the people. We need to make it count.”

  443. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 26, 2013 8:08 pm

    and on the other those who believe in an ever-enlarging state (perhaps even to the point of One World Government), high tax, more regulation, and rule by an elite of technocrats and “experts” on the other

    Yep, that explains the ALP/Greens perfectly. They are natural totalitarians.

    Even with something like the NBN, they go for a monopoly and something which in theory could be totally controlled by the govt in power. They cannot help themselves.

  444. April 26, 2013 8:33 pm

    So apparently “teh left” are upset that Leigh Sales didn’t go hard enough against Tony Abbott in the interview the other night.

    I didn’t realise it was Leigh Sales’ job to salvage what’s left of Julia Gillard’s rotten govt..

  445. egg permalink
    April 26, 2013 9:39 pm

    Somebody said it was a ‘hollow dance’ and that Leigh ‘dropped the ball’ and it was ‘very disappointing’.

    The rusted ons are also concerned that the newsroom has collapsed under social pressure.

  446. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2013 11:04 pm

    Leigh Sales is a sellout to the Murdoch conspiracy. She and he fascist mates are determined to establish a dictatorship of the privileged and starve the population of their rights.

    …apparently.

  447. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2013 11:12 pm

    ‘her’ fascist mates.

    …and that piece of work would have plenty of them.

    I’ve had a sensational 2002 cab sav this evening.

    It’s quite good for quaffing!

  448. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 27, 2013 12:55 am

    “Anyone who says that the word of the Jesus Christ encourages violence is a greasy … insert insult here…”

    I love moral equivocation TB, especially when it is devoid of “reality” or REAL violence…Tell you what, you find me a Christian terrorist ( a real one, not the tired tactic of peddling McVeigh) and I will match it with a Muslim terrorist…Let do this for 10 min and see who comes out ahead…Get real man…

  449. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:43 am

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/if-people-could-immigrate-anywhere-would-poverty-be-eliminated/275332/#disqus_thread

    Have to love the Left…Predictable if anything else….

  450. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 7:02 am

    ‘Britain should be ready to accept more immigrants from the rest of Europe because it has a lower level of unemployment, Brussels said today.

    ‘The European Commission claimed there was no evidence that migrant workers take jobs from British nationals, and vowed to make it easier for jobseekers to move around the continent.

    ‘The move was held up as proof that the government has ‘lost control of our borders’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315362/Britain-welcome-migrant-workers-countries-unemployment-soaring-Brussels-insists.html#ixzz2Rbb6TpqG
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  451. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 7:16 am

    Muslims should be told in no uncertain terms… what it means to be Australian. If they refuse to play the game, then they get the fck out.

    ‘LABOR and the Coalition yesterday condemned Melbourne University for allowing gender segregation at campus Islamic events, with Tony Abbott branding the practice “a leap back into the dark ages”.

    ‘The Opposition Leader said it was un-Australian, criticising Melbourne University for refusing to condemn the practice.’

    Karvelas and Packham in te Oz

  452. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 10:49 am

    I love moral equivocation TB,

    So do I …

    I despise ALL organised religion equally …

    … if there is a deity, I suspect it does too – by the way most of the “good” people conduct their affairs …

    … “terrorism” isn’t just related to physical violence … most of my early childhood and certainly in my teenage years, I was bible bashed at every opportunity … now its my turn … 🙂

    … they seem to think that non-believers are somehow unclean, have low moral standards and are only tolerated by those who “know” …

  453. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 11:30 am

    Muslims should be told in no uncertain terms… what it means to be Australian

    Who defines what it means to be australian?
    I thought you lot were all about the ‘individual’ 😉

    I heard the ACL blathering on ABC24 this am about how terrible it would be for christians to be forced to pay taxes which would fund RU486 on the PBS. This rank hypocrisy astounded me for a minute. What about non-believers and secular taxpayers being forced to fund private religion since the beginning of government in australia?

    Yes ACL, lets have an open debate about public attitudes toward taxpayer funding of organised religion, bring it on!

    Tony Abbott’s shaky campaign – beginning of the end?
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-shaky-campaign/

  454. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 11:35 am

    I love moral equivocation TB, especially when it is devoid of “reality” or REAL violence…Tell you what, you find me a Christian terrorist ( a real one, not the tired tactic of peddling McVeigh) and I will match it with a Muslim terrorist…Let do this for 10 min and see who comes out ahead…Get real man…

    Insert “religious” terrorist and you’ll knock yourself out.

    The problem is religion, not the brand.

  455. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 11:42 am

    ‘Who defines what it means to be australian?’

    Good question, worth a post, meanwhile…..

    ‘Fair Work Australia has ‘withdrawn’ from its pursuit of Craig Thomson and its 154 civil charges against him. It is not the end, but it means that should the 154 identical criminal charges fail, and they will, he is a free man and free to sue Abbott, Pyne, Brandis, McClymont, Lewis, Oakes and Murdoch for a quarter of a million each if they do not apologize to him and his wife and make some reparation for the suicidal misery they have put him in.’

    Bob Ellis

  456. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 11:48 am

    he is a free man and free to sue Abbott, Pyne, Brandis, McClymont, Lewis, Oakes and Murdoch for a quarter of a million each if they do not apologize to him”

    Well I hope he does. And I would think there are a lot of people who would bet a quarter of a million dollars that Thompson is as guilty as hell.

  457. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 12:20 pm

    Another who might sue abbott & co? They’ll be so busy in the courts they won’t have time to run the country. What was that he said about others standing down while being investigated etc. Could it be anything to do with abbott/libs politics criminal conspiracies of misrepresentation, unlawful collusion between media/police/politicians/public servants, fabrication and outright lies?

    Don’t give up on an Ashby either, despite the failure of the media to pursue the biggest scandal in australian politics since the dismissal.

    The Ashbygate Trust:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/ashbygate/the-ashbygate-trust/

  458. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 12:55 pm

    Well I hope he does. And I would think there are a lot of people who would bet a quarter of a million dollars that Thompson is as guilty as hell.

    I’ll hold your money for you if you’d like to commit money to mouth.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/jacksonville-46-one-step-closer/

    The criminal case against Thomson has been dealt a massive blow by this court action today, as the civil proceedings run to a vastly lower standard of proof than the criminal proceedings…

    … The chances of Thomson being found guilty of any of these charges in a criminal court can now best be described as remote as there appears to not be enough evidence to even support a civil case.

    Thomson’s Barrister, Chris McArdle who attended court today claimed that today’s news

    “…further vindicated his client”

    and was

    “another step towards the total exoneration of Craig Thomson”.

    I asked Mr McArdle if this meant a greater chance of defamation cases against Kathy Jackson and some of her Coalition friends, to which he responded: “Absolutely”…

    Coalition chickens coming home to roost?

    But will the slimey FWA version of godwin grech, michael lawler, ever see his day in court, ever be held accountable?

  459. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:03 pm

    “Coalition chickens coming home to roost?”

    It was not the Coalition attacking Craig Thompson at the beginning. It has been established that thousands of dollars have been spent on things that were not Union things. You do not seem to care about the waste of Union members money.

    People who are not paid much have had their Union contributions used for immoral things.

    And as usual you do not care.

  460. April 27, 2013 1:07 pm

    Nice to see you back Kittylitter… 🙂

  461. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:14 pm

    Nothing immoral about fabricated and unlawful conspiracies to overthrow an elected government? and fabricated, defamatory, slanderous claims of criminal activity or private, scandalous behaviour to slander your targets and topple an elected government?

  462. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:19 pm

    ?????

    What has this got to do with your comments about Craig Thompson?? Looks like whoever spent the thousands of dollars of Union members contributions on hookers has got away unpunished.

    Do you care about this??

  463. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:19 pm

    Nice to see you back Kittylitter…

    Why thank you reb, and hello to you too!

  464. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:20 pm

    Fairfax went after Craig first, then he tried to sue them but eventually withdrew, so Fairfax went after him with a vengeance.

    Hate media.

  465. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:23 pm

    What has this got to do with your comments about Craig Thompson??

    talk about dense…or failure to think outside of the liberal party propaganda machinery.

    called ‘rusted on’ for a reason!

  466. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:24 pm

    Next thing Kittylitter will be saying is that it was Tony Abbott who stole the Union members money.

    Can you believe it?? Thousands of dollars of Union money was spent on prostitutes and she calls it a Coalition conspiracy.

  467. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:40 pm

    Well, why don’t we wait for the court case[s] to determine on facts and evidence?
    You are very fond of spouting that the Howard govt [abbott was a member of that govt remember?] was cleared of any AWB wrongdoing because their selective and limited inquiry ‘proved’ it to be so. Let’s see what a real court decides on evidence before we rush to declare overwhelming guilt or innocence.

    Tony Abbott’s slush fund conspiracy for jailing hanson/getting rid of a political rival was very dodgy too – oh wait, that’s another court case isn’t it? Where are we at with the barbara ramjan one, does anyone know? Of course she is suing kroger, but abbott has lied and denied about that all over the place.

  468. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 1:41 pm

    Next thing Kittylitter will be saying is that it was Tony Abbott who stole the Union members money.

    tony abbott steals taxpayers money

  469. April 27, 2013 1:42 pm

    and so do teh Christians…

  470. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2013 2:07 pm

    Mr Turnbull decries plans for national railway:

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/mr-turnbull-decries-plans-for-national-railway-20130426-2ijsf.html

  471. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 2:09 pm

    Here’s the upshot…

    ‘Federal MP Craig Thomson must still fight part of a civil case against him while he battles fraud-related criminal charges.

    ‘Federal Court Justice Christopher Jessup has ordered the Fair Work Commission’s civil case against Mr Thomson should proceed, except for sections that overlap with his criminal charges. Those sections, relating to the alleged purchase of escort services on Health Services Union credit cards and a cash withdrawal of more than $100,000, were postponed until his criminal charges are resolved.’

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/mp-thomson-granted-partial-stay-in-civil-case-20130426-2ikfd.html#ixzz2RdKfk7YD

  472. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 2:43 pm

    “Well, why don’t we wait for the court case[s] to determine on facts and evidence?

    Well the evidence is in. Somebody used Union members money for prostitutes. Are you saying this did not happen as well?? Not even Craig Thomson has denied this. His claim is that it was not him but somebody else. Not too sure what Abbott has to do with this.

    You are very fond of spouting that the Howard govt [abbott was a member of that govt remember?] was cleared of any AWB wrongdoing because their selective and limited inquiry ‘proved’ it to be so.”

    I do not recall saying this. I am not sure why the Howard govt is even involved. Some company allegedly bribed someone to get the business. As if that has never happened before. And I am not sure it was possible to bribe Sadaam. Iraq was under sanctions. You would have had to bribe the person who was in charge of the UN Oil-for-Food program to make sure we got the wheat sale.

  473. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:42 pm

    ‘Who defines what it means to be australian?’

    A century ago it was not unusual to see a group of men and women (predominantly of christian heritage) standing at different ends of a dance hall.

    Half a century later christian nuns were still in the habit of wearing the equivalent of a burka.

    A majority of Australians don’t take religion too seriously.

  474. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:42 pm

    LOL!!!

    G’day, KL … get stuck in … luv it!

    Back pedal, back peda,l back pedal… LOL!

    “Well the evidence is in” … so why a court case at all? You really should go to court one day … they CONSIDER the “evidence” …

    “Somebody”

    “Not sure what Abbott has to do with this”

    “I do not recall saying this”

    “… not sure why the Howard” blah blah

    “As if it as never happened before”

    You would have had to bribe the person etc” ITS ABOUT THEM BEING INCOMPETENT IF THEY DIDN”T KNOW OR COMPLICIT IF THEY DID!

    Kneel, Kneel, Kneel …

  475. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:49 pm

    Not sure what Abbott has to do with this

    Yep. What has Tony Abbott got to do with someone using Craig Thompsons credit card for prostitutes?? Thomson has confirmed that his card was used but it was not him who used it.

    Please inform me??

  476. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:52 pm

    Half a century later christian nuns were still in the habit of wearing the equivalent of a burka.

    That’s a very clever sentence, egg!

    … we had a group (varied from three to six, as they came and went) live across the road for about twelve years … no “uniforms” … always got on well (after we helped them after a severe storm) … think I mentioned we still get visits from them to say hello if they are in Brisbane …
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    REVISION OF AN EARLIER COMMENT

    SOME “believers”… … seem to think that non-believers are somehow unclean, have low moral standards and are only tolerated by those who “know” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, KL, you omitted that we secular taxpayers FUND indoctrination religious education both overtly, ie private schools – and covertly, ie chaplains in state schools …

    … the hypocrisy abounds …

  477. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:56 pm

    Please inform me??

    Why?

    It goes in one ear and out the other … and from past experience whenever you’re “informed” you choose to misunderstand or malform the information to meet the standards of, The Young Liberals Misinformation & Muckraking Centre, …

    Personally I ignore their emails … just as I do the ALP’s …

  478. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 5:00 pm

    It goes in one ear and out the other

    Nope, Kittlitter at 12.55PM made a lot of statements about the Craig Thompson affair and finished off by saying “Coalition chickens coming home to roost?”

    What the hell has the Coalition got to do with the misuse of Craig Thompsons credit card??

  479. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 5:15 pm

    ‘What the hell has the Coalition got to do with the misuse of Craig Thompsons credit card??’

    Apparently its a conspiracy.

  480. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 5:48 pm

    There’s a few to go around no-one mentioned Brough or Pyne … and Abbott’s, “Iknow nuffin'” …

    Try that with the CEO of a company with fraudulent sales and marketing managers … 🙄

  481. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2013 5:51 pm

    Egg

    And you wonder why i am such a strong Coalition. ALP/Greens supporters are insane so I have nowhere to go.

    Anything that goes wrong, it Abbots fault.

    I see the Greens are finally starting to condemn Gillards asylum seeker policy. And it is about time. But who also gets a blast?? Yep you got it.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/tony-abbott-heckled-in-perth-about-illegal-arrivals/story-fncynjr2-1226625996801

    “REFUGEE rights advocates have heckled Tony Abbott as he held a media conference in Perth denouncing the federal government’s track record with asylum seekers.

    The opposition leader was admonished by a school teacher, Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Mark Goudkamp, over his use of the term ‘illegal” arrivals.

    It is not Abbott who has 6,000 asylum seekers locked up. But just wait. If Abbot wins in September out they will come and start chaining themselves to detention center fences after being quiet for the last 6 years.

  482. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 6:06 pm

    If you want to get a hint about what is wrong with the world today … read this story …

    1. They will apologise IF the police ask them to … ASK THEM TO?

    2. Their bosses say they didn’t anything wrong (after calling out five police officers – who must just hang a round all day) … that’s why the lady in the WRONG house called the fk police!

    3. Their bosses don’t need to counsel the football team because – wait for it …

    Asked whether Geelong players would be spoken to about pranks, he said: “We think our players are a mature group of people and will take out of it what they like.”

    Why do football players get paid $500,000+ …

    Aussie Rules … what fkn rules?

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-players-billie-smedts-and-josh-caddys-burglary-prank-a-case-of-dumb-and-dumber/story-fndv8haf-1226629932629

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Then try this …

    Itz about one of my favourite topicz … zocial networking (ie anti zocial networking) … zmartfone zombies …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/hughesy-goes-on-smartphone-detox/story-e6frfro0-1226630215467

  483. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 6:35 pm

    Nils

    The US msm refer to illegals as illegals, but in Australia we call illegals…. ‘asylum seekers’. Political correctness gone mad.

    Call it what you will, we still put them behind barbed wire.

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    April 27, 2013 7:04 pm

    … but in Australia we call illegals…. ‘asylum seekers’. …

    There are illegal entries (most come by plane and overstay their visa), refugees and asylum seekers (most come by leaky boat) …

    In the USA most illegal entries attempt border crossing between Mexico and the USA … some (many more than in Oz) get through …

    No wonder the discourse on the subject in Australia is so disjointed …

    FYI, I have always favoured onshore processing … the Howard, Rudd and Gillard governments’ solutions have been/are way to disjointed and messy …

    What would you suggest should happen (BTW the Howard solution would not work under present circumstances either) …

  485. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 7:41 pm

    ‘refugees and asylum seekers (most come by leaky boat) …’

    According to Bob Carr most of them are economic refugees and we fly them home.

  486. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 7:51 pm

    ‘What would you suggest should happen …’

    Genuine refugees are free to settle in Australia, while those fleeing poverty should be given the choice of a plane trip home or crapperville in the desert, where they can learn a trade, language and culture.

  487. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 28, 2013 6:25 am

    Kittylitter, I’d caution you against getting your info from Independant Australia or Peter Wicks.

  488. egg permalink
    April 28, 2013 8:32 am

    ‘Elements of the left thought it just fine to describe Sales in abusive and sexist terms because her grilling of Abbott did not meet their expectations.

    ‘It’s not OK, yet the debate rolled on for most of the week sending mixed messages about what the left is up to right now. Have they resorted to antics more often employed by the far right?’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/now-the-mud-sticks-to-both-sides-20130427-2ilar.html#ixzz2RhoG0lKD

  489. April 28, 2013 9:18 am

    Following on from Tom’s recent addition “people who build things in their garage” entry to our growing list of undesirable characteristics, I have two more to add:

    1. People who buy exercise equipment from home shopping TV.

    2. People who have deep fryers in their own home.

  490. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2013 11:13 am

    Kittylitter, I’d caution you against getting your info from Independant Australia or Peter Wicks.

    I’d caution you against getting your info from Bolt, newsltd and abbott media stunts!

  491. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2013 11:25 am

    It is not Abbott who has 6,000 asylum seekers locked up.

    No, if he had his way, genuine asylum seekers will never arrive here at all, unless of course they are the right colour, religion and hold the same racist views eg Sth African/Zimbabwean farmers or christians from anywhere. Of course anyone coming by plane can overstay their visa forever and never worry about a thing.

    Back to the glory days of the AFP over in Indonesia, paying people to sabotage boats – who will be the new coalition patsy now that keelty has retired in shame.

    “bigots in marginal seats and coalition racists will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come”

  492. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 28, 2013 1:14 pm

    Fair enough, KL. you want to consciously repeat falsehoods. Good luck. Ask Tom about Wicks.

    Notice an eery silence re Melbourne Uni subjugation of women.

  493. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 28, 2013 1:15 pm

    Oh and if I resource Bolt, I state it, and it’s not often.

  494. egg permalink
    April 28, 2013 1:23 pm

    ‘Notice an eery silence re Melbourne Uni subjugation of women.’

    Abbott and Gillard came out strongly to condemn it, we are as one on this. Women are born equal in modern Australia.

  495. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2013 1:56 pm

    our growing list of undesirable characteristics

    3. People who repair their own kitchen appliances.
    4. People who think pinot noir is a red wine

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2013 2:18 pm

    4. People who think pinot noir is a red wine

    snob … 🙄

  497. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2013 2:49 pm

    ”snob …

    5. People who think wine comes in boxes or bags
    6. People who drink their wine within a week of purchasing it

  498. egg permalink
    April 28, 2013 2:51 pm

    ‘As Nick Cater sees it, there’s a powerful new commentariat, dominant in the media, academia and public administration, that is every bit as condescending as the aristocracy he left behind in Britain. In contemporary Australia, the worst snobbery is not directed towards people of lower status, he says, but towards people of different opinions. He thinks that this ‘my opinion must be better than yours’ conceit is putting at risk the egalitarianism that’s at the heart of Australians’ sense of self.’

    Tony Abbott in the Spectator

    (channeling the Bolter)

  499. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2013 4:06 pm

    5. People who think wine comes in boxes or bags
    6. People who drink their wine within a week of purchasing it

    Surfer snob …

  500. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2013 5:34 pm

    TB, I tend to ride shortboards, but I think you seem the type that should have a longboard or 2, and being in Brisbane you’d be able to pop up to the longboard Mecca in Noosa!

    Here’s my recommendation – MacTavish and they’re just down the road in Byron Bay!

    Don’t thank me, but you seem like the type who could site out past the break entertaining everyone by singing a few tunes.

    http://www.mctavish.com.au/surfboards/traditional

  501. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2013 6:16 pm

    LOL! ToM … deserves a tale from the past …

    When I was 18/19 I was the drummer/singer in a four piece band … we played Friday and Saturday nights at The Scene and The Bowl (dance halls) … generally got home (in those days!) about 1 or 2 am … and headed for Cabarita … slept in the cars and … woke up got brekkie and hit the road … my mates took their guitars and I took my drum sticks … we drove up the coast and entered every “talent quest” we saw … we generally made enough for the trip and a bit more … and usually “won” at least one …

    … opened up the SLC’s for us … travel was the problem from Brissy then tho’ …

    Moral of the story … musos don’t surf … they’re too busy entertainin’ the surfers … and drummers were the blokes wot hung out with musos … 😉

  502. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2013 6:22 pm

    egg, (BTW no acknowledgement of inspiration for your new nom de plume 😦 )

    I actually read the Spectator article you didn’t link …

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-books/8898051/progress-and-its-critics/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=progress-and-its-critics

    IF Tony Abbott wrote that article … its a pity that he doesn’t walk the talk …

    I agree with a lot of what is said … but bear in mind it is a review of someone else’s work … not his own … so typical … and such a shame …

  503. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2013 7:32 pm

    … musos don’t surf … they’re too busy entertainin’ the surfers …

    Entertaining surfers is very community minded TB, but now that you’re retired – you need a longboard.

  504. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2013 7:39 pm

    Yeah! To match my beard! Pity it don’t grow on my fkn head! 🙂

  505. egg permalink
    April 28, 2013 8:06 pm

    Abbott doesn’t have much time to write, he’ll be PM in September, so we’ll have to wait for his memoirs in 2020.

    I used to go to the Bowl.

  506. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 28, 2013 9:40 pm

    Also noticed an eery silence on these gender based abortions. Apparently it’s not sexist to kill unborn children just because they are female. But it IS sexist to question that. Go figure.

  507. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2013 9:41 pm

    Sorry to hit & run but had to go to work. Back now and enjoying the first sips of a relaxing wine while I reflect on the blog. There was a great big, almost full moon out tonight, it made a bewitching drive home. BTW, am off interstate for a week this tues [in case you miss me & think it is more hit & run!].

    The US msm refer to illegals as illegals, but in Australia we call illegals…. ‘asylum seekers’. Political correctness gone mad.

    Some call asylum seekers, “illegals”, it is an irrational and xenophobic fear that has no basis in evidence or reality. Some politicians like to create fear and hatred rather than lend a compassionate hand to desperate people who have already seen terrible suffering in life.

    Fair enough, KL. you want to consciously repeat falsehoods. Good luck. Ask Tom about Wicks.

    Do tell, what falsehoods would they be?
    I’ve seen tom’s ‘case’ against wicks in previous posts, I do note that they are very subjective and a lot of tom’s forensic and investigative examinations can be seen by an unbiased observer as biased entrapment seeking a ‘gotcha’ moment.

    Notice an eery silence re Melbourne Uni subjugation of women.

    From me? Could you point me to the post and discussion of that?
    Is there some reason that I must make a comment on every subject or issue that you think I should? Is it a gender thing? It might make things easier if you made a list or something, I’m not a mind reader.
    Ohhh…
    Do YOU want to make a comment?? Feel free then, or is it more of the usual – you looking to pick a shitfight? I’m not really interested in playing your silly buggers.

    BTW, what’s an eerie silence like, is it the same as what a normal silence would be when the subject hasn’t even been raised?

    Oh and if I resource Bolt, I state it, and it’s not often.

    Abbott declares (cultural) war: Andrew Bolt APRIL 27 2013 (5:39pm)

    Is Tony Abbott now feeling confident enough to fight some cultural wars?

    Yesterday he attacked Melbourne University for allowing gender segregation at halls hired out by Muslim groups.

    yeah, sure.

    You two must be identical twins, sharing the same thoughts, you even make the same misrepresentations, fabrications and distortions arguments/attacks about the same invented outrages and culture wars.

  508. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2013 9:51 pm

    oops

    You two must be identical twins, sharing the same thoughts, you even make the same misrepresentations, fabrications and distortions arguments/attacks about the same invented outrages and culture wars.

  509. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2013 10:06 pm

    Correction – I’ve seen tom’s ‘case’ against wicks in previous posts, I do note that they are very subjective and a lot of tom’s forensic and investigative examinations can be seen by an unbiased observer as biased entrapment seeking a ‘gotcha’ moment the evidence of Wick’s hopeless analysis is compelling, and his so called evidence against Lawler is non existent

  510. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 28, 2013 10:07 pm

    No. Not just you. Generally. I can imagine if the chicks were made to sit down the back at some Catholic Uni thing it would be like a nuclear bomb going off.

  511. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2013 10:38 pm

    Also noticed an eery silence on these gender based abortions. Apparently it’s not sexist to kill unborn children just because they are female. But it IS sexist to question that. Go figure.

    A lot of eeriness about it seems, must be that big full moon I saw on the way home.

    Killing girls; by Andrew Bolt
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/

    If it’s a cultural practice from another country, it should be seen by all as completely unnecessary here, perhaps a public education campaign. What about the designer babies, where couples are

    How did this very private concern between a doctor and his patients become public knowledge?

    Their life, their choice. Why must people be forced to live by the beliefs of others? Drs have no more right than any other person to interfere with the lives of people. They ply a trade, a service, which they sell on the market.

    If a doctor has a moral objection to any abortion he has to refer the pt to another doctor, one who will treat her without prejudice, judgement or pious, sanctimonious godbothering. No-one is forcing him to perform the abortion.

    What about IVF? It is by it’s very nature, the designing of babies and genetic engineering.

    …Victoria’s Abortion Law Reform Act 2008 specifies the obligations of registered health practitioners who have a “conscientious objection” to abortion.
    Under the Act, if a woman requests a doctor to advise on a proposed abortion and the practitioner has a conscientious objection, he or she must refer the woman to a practitioner who does not conscientiously object…

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/melbourne-doctors-abortion-stance-may-be-punished/story-fnet08ck-1226631128438#ixzz2Rl8qBDXy

  512. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2013 10:49 pm

    No. Not just you. Generally. I can imagine if the chicks were made to sit down the back at some Catholic Uni thing it would be like a nuclear bomb going off.

    I don’t even understand that comment, what does it mean?
    Haven’t heard the term ‘chicks’ for years, bit of the old private school sexism eh?

    I imagine forcing them to drink a toxic cocktail and the near death experience is enough of a bomb for the ‘chicks’.

  513. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 6:57 am

    ‘Some call asylum seekers, “illegals”, it is an irrational and xenophobic fear that has no basis in evidence or reality.’

    We, the Australian people, welcome legal immigrants from all over the world to come here. Your political bias is showing, you want to open our borders to all no matter what the consequences…. a majority of us don’t want that.

    For the most part the people who come on fishing boats are illegal economic migrants and we send them home by plane.

  514. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 7:19 am

    ‘TONY Abbott faces two terrible challenges to his honesty after September 14 if he becomes prime minister.

    ‘And here’s what it’s likely to mean: a second election, soon after the first, and the country weaker than it should be.’

    Andrew Bolt behind a paywall….he’s probably talking about a double D over CC.

  515. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 7:37 am

    NBN Gouging…..

    ‘MAJOR contractors handling the rollout of the National Broadband Network are charging the federal government up to 2 1/2 times the amount they are passing on to subcontractors who perform the work.

    ‘The failure of those major contractors – or “tier-one” contractors – to pass on the benefits of the scheme has meant many subcontractors are refusing to sign up to the NBN, while the ones that do are often far less experienced.’

    Anthony Klan in Oz

  516. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2013 7:57 am

    I used to go to the Bowl.

    In south Brissy, egg?

  517. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:27 am

    No, the Bowl in Sydney, TB.

  518. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2013 9:20 am

    The Minister is a fan of Revenge … so I had the “pleasure” of watching The Celebrity Slash as it inconsiderately ran over time 🙄 …

    What a knockout show!

  519. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2013 9:21 am

    Ooops Splash … 😳

  520. April 30, 2013 10:12 am

    It’s good to see all those left wing blogs ramp up the moral outrage over the Gillard govt’s horrendous treatment of asylum seekers as exposed on 4 Corners last night…

    *crickets*

  521. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    April 30, 2013 10:54 am

    “No, the Bowl in Sydney, TB.”

    Mmmmmmmm…………is that the old Sydney Stadium at Rushcutters Bay or something else Egg ?

    The bowling alley that used to be there next to the stadium perhaps

  522. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 11:07 am

    The Bowl was up town, Pitt street or Castlereigh (memory fails) and it was an underground dance spot like the Cavern.

  523. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 11:11 am

    The leftoid blogs have the ability to turn a blind eye when the going gets rough. Had a look around and ‘crickets’ is apt.

  524. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 2:08 pm

    Mops and buckets at the ready….

    ‘AUSTRALIA could be on the cusp of an influx of startup investors from China after a group with at least $30 million to spare hit local shores in the hunt for new prospects.

    ‘The prospect of achieving a 700 per cent return on investment in three years has whet their appetite when compared with traditional ventures such as real estate, which promises about 30 per cent over that time frame.’

    Fran Foo in the Oz

  525. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 2:42 pm

    Perhaps the Chinese investors heard the PM’s talk of Hyperbowl and want to invest in that? After all the Australian voters did, much to their remorse.

  526. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 6:21 pm

    ” the latest Roy Morgan March unemployment estimate shows a very high 2.31 million (18.2%) Australians are either unemployed or under-employed.”

    Can this be right?

  527. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 6:37 pm

    ‘Can this be right?’

    The under-employed, commonly known as the working poor, are everywhere. So yes, those numbers appear accurate.

  528. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 6:50 pm

    That is a lot of people who can’t be very happy. And sadly, this government doesn’t seem to be doing anything to create more jobs. Their focus is more welfare and more tax. That is not going to give us an economy conducive to the expansion of businesses and jobs.

  529. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2013 6:57 pm

    Can this be right?

    Dunno … without a link we can’t determine what variables the figures are actually based upon … how they were derived and how the “estimate” was arrived at …

    eg I’m unemployed by choice … my Teutonic mate is unemployed but not by choice …

  530. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 7:08 pm

    Got it from here. Not much about methodology. The large number surprised me.

  531. May 1, 2013 2:48 am

    2.31 million (18.2%) Australians are either unemployed or under-employed.
    My bet is these will be the confirmed Low-end.
    l do know that 40% of the `work-force` is under-employed, but unsure of what the percentage of `population` make up work-force, a large quantity of `boomers` are going into retirement.
    .
    The 18.2% number will be `soft` or Low-end, as l am pretty certain ponzi-jobs or ponzi-employment will not have been included.
    .
    FYI Ponzi-jobs are not `real` jobs, but are corporate-welfare/schemes to take-on workers from the dole-office to reduce `unemployment` numbers. These are not real jobs that have been publicly advertised or available, but only available to dole-receivers, which they MUST accept, or get kicked off the dole. Once the Govt stops paying the corporate-money, the jobs evaporate.

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