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Gillard’s “Seasoned Soldiers.” What even is that…?

April 23, 2013

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Julia Gillard says a hard road is ahead to the election but her “troops” are ready with the determination of “seasoned soldiers.”

Five months out from the federal election, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has moved to rally her troops, declaring theirs is the determination of seasoned soldiers, not the enthusiasm of raw recruits.

In an address to the party faithful at the Victorian Labor state conference, the prime minister warned that all Labor’s achievements and plans for Australia’s future would be at risk under a Tony Abbott government.

She said the coalition only existed to try to stop Labor acting and then to reverse what Labor had done.

With five months until the election and polls showing Labor support at record lows, Ms Gillard acknowledged it would be hard.

“But I know you are ready for the campaign ahead,” she said.

“Ours is the determination of seasoned soldiers, not the enthusiasm of raw recruits. The knowledge of our achievements and plans will give us strength as we fight for government again.”

Ms Gillard branded the coalition “the blockers and stoppers of public life” with Opposition Leader Tony Abbott telling Victorians last week they would do some things that would hurt.

“You bet they would,” she said.

She said proposed Liberal cuts would slam the brakes on the economy.

“They will throw away wise investments for the nation’s future – they will throw Australians out of work at the same time,” she said.

“All our plans and all our achievements, everything we have done for Australia’s future, all this is what is at risk, all this is what our opponents want to take away.”

Ms Gillard also urged state premiers and territory chief ministers to “do the right thing” and get on board the government’s schools funding package.

And those who hadn’t already, should sign up to the rollout of the national disability insurance scheme, now officially named DisabilityCare.

Following her speech and under a fortnight since her successful visit to China, Ms Gillard took the opportunity to brief members of the Chinese media, saying Australia would keep working to achieve closer relations.

She defended the government’s crackdown on 457 work visas.

“We have a non-discriminatory immigration policy. It is not targeted at any one country. It is non-discriminatory and from time to time we change policy settings depending on economic needs,” she said.

She had been told many Chinese were worried about the training of US marines in the Northern Territory. But no such concerns had been raised by China’s president or premier during her visit, she said.

“There is no reason for concern,” Ms Gillard said.

She also reminded them that Labor’s woes are all Kevin Rudd’s fault and nothing to do with her leadership or Wayne Swan.

Also implicated in faultiness were Simon Crean and everyone else on the back bench.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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75 Comments leave one →
  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2013 10:32 am

    Funnily enough these turkeys seem to have been seasoned before they are butchered and basted.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 11:05 am

    Polls appear stuck at 55/45 2pp. The Newspoll in March that was heralded as the comeback for the ALP now looks like a statistical error.

  3. el gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 2:19 pm

    Barry O’Farrell saw five billion sitting on the table and put his hand up for Gonski. Smart move politically, even if the money is unreal.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 2:32 pm

    What a load of drivel … enthusiasm of fkn raw recruits? Ignorant woman … raw recruits generally think along the lines of, “WTF have i got into here!”

    Asfknstounding!

    No wonder the ALP is flatlining …

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:31 pm

    Politicians as neighbours (ctd)-

    *Did you hear that Julia’s Tim fell off his motor bike? I know… he’s too old, and what’s he doing on a motor bike anyway? As first lady, he’s got a commonwealth car.
    *I saw Wayne at the shops, I crossed the road. I didn’t have time to listen to him. He is so dull.
    *We had a nice family from somewhere or other move into our street. Yes, they’re dark skinned. But nice… before they they could unload their van, Brendan O’Connor had started a petition to tell them to move back to Broadmeadows. It wasn’t very nice.
    *Joe Hockey is very fat, did you see the side of lamb he ate at the barbeque?
    *That Julie Bishop is a piece of work, isn’t she? I’m sure she was flirting my Ted. She’s too old for those short skirts.

  6. April 23, 2013 4:49 pm

    Tom, Joe’s had gastric band surgery so he’s no longer the fat slob he once was..

    In some spooky twist of fate the new slimmer Joe is starting to look a lot like Talcum, albeit with poorer taste in suits.

    Hockey looks like he buys his suits from the same place as David Stratton – The Red Cross..

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:58 pm

    *Joe Hockey has lost weight, but he’s still thick
    *I saw Julia in the butchers. She thinks some Nigerians have taken all the lamb cutlets.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 4:58 pm

    Problem with Hockey is that his brain has shrunk (even more) along with his body …

    ToM … DO NOT give up your day job …

  9. gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 5:07 pm

    They are funny lines ToM, you’re a wasted talent.

  10. gordo permalink
    April 23, 2013 5:08 pm

    Who is stealing my El? I feel half naked.

  11. April 23, 2013 5:59 pm

    The hijacking of martial language, by everyone from football commentators to the PM (apparently), & the overuse of terms like ‘heroes’ by same (when talking about athletes or politicians or sundry others who’ve never been under fire), around ANZAC Day each year shits me.

    So pathetic, trying to trade off of those unfortunate enough to have gone to war.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 6:28 pm

    So pathetic, trying to trade off of those unfortunate enough to have gone to war.

    Yep … and I promised not to mention the war! 🙄

  13. April 23, 2013 8:01 pm

    You left out that Joolya`s lot are floundering coz of the high dollar, which will cost jobs and the workforce will not get any pay rise and business will have to resort to replacing full-time employment with casual.
    ****************************************
    Fortunately, Mr-Rabbit`s lot will put in place an environment able to produce a low dollar, which will cost jobs and the workforce will not get any pay rise and business will have to resort to replacing full-time employment with casual. Just like John-W-Howard did.

  14. April 23, 2013 8:08 pm

    “You left out that Joolya`s lot are floundering coz of the high dollar, which will cost jobs and the workforce will not get any pay rise and business will have to resort to replacing full-time employment with casual.”

    Good to see you’re still watching your own show!

    Shorter 7:30.. There will be no jobs in Australia under a Juliar govt…

  15. April 23, 2013 8:22 pm

    ” Good to see you’re still watching your own show! ”
    LOL _ l rarely miss it.
    ******************************************
    ” Shorter 7:30.. There will be no jobs in Australia under a Juliar govt ”
    l Don`t think the Tories are any better tho, reb. Under John-W`s economic `boom` l know plenty of folks who went backwards or just treaded-water. While both sides retain the `free-trade` fetish, many Aussie workers and businesses will keep going backwards.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2013 8:49 pm

    Yeah right. What we should do is follow the advice of Flannery, and spend up all the cash the Reserve Bank has accumulated on buying foreign currency to reduce the dollar.

    That would fix our problems.

    Flannery is an economist who does climate change on the side.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2013 8:53 pm

    Government’s really don’t have the impact on business that some folk would like to think … it’s an easy excuse …

    … provide a good service or product and you will survive …

    … chase dollars and eventually you will be overwhelmed by your own greed and go under …

    … business is about servicing people’s needs …

    … being efficient and being effective and continuously improving by reducing the possibility of mistakes and preventing them happening again when they do occur …

    As for the dollar … we either live and work in a global market or we don’t … if we don’t … who’s gonna buy all that iron ore and coal?

  18. April 23, 2013 9:15 pm

    ” Government’s really don’t have the impact on business that some folk would like to think”
    maybe so TB, but Govt does set the rules on how biz can treat, workers, consumers and planet. People that make those type of statements TB, often exclude the external factors that helped them gain success, and delude themselves that they got there `all-by-themselves`, which is never true TB.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:29 am

    The Grattan Institute forecasts a decade of deficits.

    Swan and Gillard promised that they would be in surplus now. What a couple of dishonest dills. With economic growth and low unemployment – they still have endless deficits.

    Incompetent liars – how did we finish up here?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2013 1:03 pm

    Meanwhile the ALP proves (again) that it’s in the pocket of the grubbiest of unions.

    The CFMEU (Construction Div) has pressed the Vic ALP to pass anti Grocon resolutions. Never mind that the safety and industrial regulators have a job to do.

    Many CFMEU officials have too many criminal convictions to be eligible for parliament, but that doesn’t stop them from exercising their control.

  21. gordo permalink
    April 24, 2013 1:34 pm

    Labor staffers are being induced to stay until the election, naturally they have been looking for other work…. $6000 is the average bribe.

  22. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 3:08 pm

    The hijacking of martial language, by everyone from football commentators to the PM (apparently), & the overuse of terms like ‘heroes’ by same (when talking about athletes or politicians or sundry others who’ve never been under fire), around ANZAC Day each year shits me.

    So pathetic, trying to trade off of those unfortunate enough to have gone to war.

    I AGREE.

  23. April 24, 2013 4:16 pm

    Yep, snacty.

    Maybe PIA Undress shoulda read my comment on this thread, made prior to his preemptive strawman assembly. 😉

    Believe it or not, I do sympathise with people sent into battle at the behest of the estranged decision makers. I extend that sympathy to most soldiers, not just Australian ones.

    I am very cynical about the way that ANZAC Day is marketed these days.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:29 pm

    I am very cynical life’ll do that to yer, toillette …

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2013 4:30 pm

    What is it about politicians and playing at/with schools, kids (of all ages) and the military …

  26. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 5:39 pm

    Pia Undress?

  27. IPA address permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:15 pm

    “Seasoned soldiers” is what a lot of diggers will be tomorrow afternoon after about their 20th beer.

  28. April 24, 2013 7:19 pm

    I’m going bush for 3 nights.

    I’ll be seasoned beyond cognition.

  29. April 24, 2013 7:19 pm

    When I was a boy of six or seven years of age my dad used to tell me that “poppy day” was to remember everyone who died in the war.

    He didn’t single any particular nationality out, he just said “everyone,” and while he hated the Japs and the Nazis, and “those Italian bastards who could never decide who’s side they were on,” I always thought it was nice that he realised the those on the “enemy” side were also casualties of war.

  30. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:19 pm

    Oh I geddit.

  31. April 24, 2013 7:19 pm

    $2 long necks?

  32. April 24, 2013 7:23 pm

    My sentiments exactly, reb.

    I read a book called ‘The Forgotten Soldier’ when I was young. It was a beaten old thing which belonged to my Dad. It concerned a German soldier on the Eastern Front. It may well have been the epiphany which lead me to view people as humans, rather than belongings of their States.
    Hence my dislike of Nationalist slantings on these things.

    I think your father made a great point.

    I’ve only really soured on it all as I’ve gotten older & recognised the jingoism infecting the memorial. Howard brought that shit on in spades.

  33. April 24, 2013 7:25 pm

    Haha, nope. No $2 longnecks.

    I’ve got 2 bottles of 15yo Dimple, a hip flask, a box of Boags Draught…& about 5 bottles of $15 longnecks. 😉

    [not all for me]

  34. April 24, 2013 7:30 pm

    “I’ve got 2 bottles of 15yo Dimple, a hip flask, a box of Boags Draught…& about 5 bottles of $15 longnecks”

    Fck me, are you sure you’ve got enough……?? 😉

  35. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 7:34 pm

    Watched an interesting and horrifying dock on History last night which drew attention to Russian losses in WW2. I knew the stats but not so much the detail. Geez they’re a nation that have tolerated a lot of violent death.

  36. April 24, 2013 8:20 pm

    I don’t think they had a whole lot of choice, snacty.

    Certainly, everyone thrown against the guns…& it was a war of attrition on the Eastern Front…was not a communist.

    The west, generally, has no comprehension of what Russia did (at Stalin’s behest) to pulverise Nazism.

    Read any book by Antony Beevor (not a leftist, a pure historian) on the Eastern Front to be confronted & amended. I mean that in the most humble of fashions. 🙂

  37. April 24, 2013 8:22 pm

    The losses were, as you highlight, disproportionate & astronomical.

    I assume you’ve watched the opening stanza to ‘Enemy At The Gates’? The whole campaign was pretty much along those lines.

    I’ve worked with a Tartar emmisary, in the past, who immigrated to South Aus. His whole family was forced into cannibalism to survive WW2 & its aftermath…

    Nasty business, no matter wht your politics.

  38. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:17 pm

    Is Enemy at the Gates the Stalingrad siege?

  39. April 24, 2013 9:22 pm

    Yep.

  40. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:24 pm

    As I said, I knew the stats, but this doco was quite graphic in its footage, as many on History are. Stats in a text don’t paint quite the picture as actual footage. History is great viewing at times (from an educational perspective).

  41. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 24, 2013 9:26 pm

    I think we, and the Yanks, are perfectly entitled to get all Aussie about the Pacific. What they faced, and the consequences of losing, we’re enormous.

  42. Evil Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    April 24, 2013 11:21 pm

    “Watched an interesting and horrifying dock on History last night which drew attention to Russian losses in WW2”

    Sancty you should read Armageddon by Max Hastings and its details of the overwhelming slaughter on the eastern Front.

    On both sides.

    Eisenhower made the correct call in halting the western advance on Berlin. The slaughter was appalling there as well

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2013 9:24 am

    The government is supposed to govern, not simply make excuses.

    With a severe budgetary problem and deficits extending beyond the horizon, what is the actual plan of the government to rectify the problem they have overseen?

    Governments have to govern for all circumstances, not simply make excuses for their failures (‘a sledgehammer to revenue’). With low unemployment, economic growth and a resources boom, the government has no excuse.

    Maybe if the government wasn’t so profligate to start with, it wouldn’t be in such deep sh!t.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2013 1:30 pm

    Great! Just when we’re all looking for a reasonable choice in politics, when everyone’s sick of the LibLabs, along come Clive Palmer!

    Now offering us a political party that fell apart about 70 years ago…and he wants to be Prime Minister.

    Our worries are over.

  45. egg permalink
    April 26, 2013 1:46 pm

    Over three-quarters of SMH readers don’t think the new party will feature in the coming election.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2013 3:21 pm

    Clive Palmer is evidence being rich and powerful doesn’t mean you can purchase credibility.

    Clive could spend a billion on an election campaign and still poll about 2 or 3%

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    April 26, 2013 7:51 pm

    Clive could spend a billion on an election campaign and still poll about 2 or 3%

    Or 51% … wouldn’t that be interesting …

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:01 am

    Revenue up by 7%, with low unemployment, but this mob still can’t get a surplus. Not this year, or next or the one after.

    Gillard and Swan committed to a surplus without equivocation. They weren’t forced, they volunteered it 100+ times. They said a surplus was the best policy for the economy. Now they talk up the benefits of a deficit.

    Swan is a dumb bullsh!t artist, and Gillard isn’t quite as dumb.

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:04 am

    I wonder what ALP supporters would be saying if a Liberal Treasurer said something like this and it did not happen.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.

    This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time……………The deficit years of the global recession are behind us. The surplus years are here.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:40 am

    True Neil.

    There’s been no ‘sledgehammer to revenue’. That’s just more Swan bullsh!t.

    Revenue has grown strongly, the problem is that the government just leaks money. Now they don’t even have a plan for ‘living within their means’

    Swan’s budget speech should start with – ‘I resign’

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:49 am

    Exactly what LibNits supporters are saying … its politics … anyone who really thinks that governments have that much influence on business operations … should never consider a career in buusiness …

    Business P&L is cyclic … and now that we are in a “Global Market” we are affected by global events … the EU and the USA are in a world of economic pain right now and will be for some years … they have little means to purchase from China … therefore China has less need for Australia’s raw materials … the rest of the world are either developing or third world economies … often reliant on assistance from the very countries in trouble …

    … the GFC isn’t over … just like the Great Depression it will linger for a decade … let’s hope it doesn’t take WWIII to get us out of it … ’cause that’s what lifted the USA out …

    As for Australia in all this … a mere economic pimple … but whoever is in office on September 15 (or later?) will still need to squeeze it!

    A leading economic forecaster says the Howard, Rudd and Gillard governments have all contributed to a budget black hole that will bite hard when the commodity boom fades completely

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-26/costello-and-swan-both-responsible-for-budget-black-hole-says-e/4653824

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:50 am

    Exactly what LibNits supporters are saying … was in reply to …

    I wonder what ALP supporters would be saying if a Liberal Treasurer said something like this and it did not happen.

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2013 10:37 am

    Gonski and NDIS are appeals to the ALP loyalists. They’re costly policies shore up support in safe Labor seats.

    With federal revenue up 7% in a year, what possible reason does the government have for a deficit?

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 10:50 am

    “Business P&L is cyclic …”

    Who knew? The point is that government revenues have been rising – it’s just that Labor can’t help itself when it comes to spending. That is why every time they leave office government debt is higher than when the took office. It is why Whitlam was booted and why Keating was booted and why Gillard will be booted.

    Not only has this cretinous government driven us deeply into debt, it is now running a scorched earth policy entrenching its spendthrift policies as deeply as possible. As Rudd said: ” I am saying loud and clear that this sort of reckless spending must stop.” The sad thing is that he was lying, cynically trying to convince the electorate that he was different and that under him, Labor would not recklessly piss money against the wall.

    anyone who really thinks that governments have that much influence on business operations ……. has broken free of ALP excuses for why sooner or later they always fuck the economy.

    The simple fact is that if you dramatically increase the cost of doing business – regulation, expensive electricity and letting the unions off the leash – less business is done. Do you really think that mongrel Ludwig had no effect on the live cattle trade?

    “Swan is a dumb bullsh!t artist, and Gillard isn’t quite as dumb.”

    That is a close call. Gillard is deeply stupid but she is more skilled in Unionland power games.

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 10:54 am

    “With federal revenue up 7% in a year, what possible reason does the government have for a deficit?”

    Exactly, ToM. The increasing debt and deficits we have had under Labor are due only to their economic irresponsibility. Kids in a candy store, loving the sugar hit, wanking on about their “visionary” initiatives, and not a clue how to pay for it. It has always been thus with Labor.

  56. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 11:22 am

    Pascoe on the black hole…

    ‘Debt per se is not a bad thing, as any businessperson should be able to explain. It’s a question of what it’s used for and whether it can be comfortably serviced. On-going debt to pay pensions, teachers’ salaries and medical tests is a bad thing. Sustained government debt equivalent to about 20 per of GDP for building and subsequently privatising necessary infrastructure would be a very good thing – but don’t try to explain that to our politicians or expect that they would be capable of explaining it to the electorate.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/debt-its-not-how-big-it-is-its-what-you-do-with-it-20130429-2inmj.html#ixzz2RoLL8aWM

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2013 11:58 am

    I don’t care what the surplus is, if we need to run one to ensure we have the first world services that we expect as a wealthy nation then so be it. We are still doing better than any others. Our treasurer and government should be congratulated for shepherding us through a GFC without too much pain.

    Where is the condemnation of the financial practices that caused the GFC and why should the public, the taxpayers, suffer austerity to pay for the greed of the already wealthy. Let them all go under, including the governments and politicians who are under their control.

    How about people paying more tax? It’s time an education campaign was run on public expectations of government – they can’t expect to have their private aspirational choices and wealth creating investments [negative gearing, family trusts] all funded by poorer taxpayers who don’t get to have these same choices in life. People can’t expect to keep getting more tax back than they pay out each year yet demand ever increasing services.

    What about singles and childless couples, are they getting a fair share from all their tax contributions?

    If we were really serious about the budget, we’d fund the fkn thing and not have huge meltdowns over national progress eg the disability scheme, NBN, education funding – these are essential services for this day and age. Fund the things that people want and need then tell the rent seekers to piss off.

    Why must we do everything on the cheap just to please idiots who like to suggest that a complex national budget is the same as sitting around your kitchen table with the monthly bills.

    The budget and the economy should be supporting our society and our progress as a nation, not stunting it because people who can’t afford their lifestyle want it paid for by others.

    How much money would be saved from the budget by not funding religion, private health and education choices, and rent seeking private enterprise. What about treating tradies as the employees that they really are, stop pretending that they are self-employed. Stop funding private enterprise. Stop shifting public debt to private debt. No wonder everyone in this country wants to own their own business, the taxpayer support is wonderful.

    No one wants to put their hand in their pocket but they are real quick to stick it out.

    I would rather a deficit where everyone is looked after fairly than a surplus designed to drip feed profits to a wealthy few.

    I’m sick of this ridiculous budget obsession and the bleating of ideologues trying to tell us that we never had it so bad when most are actually very well off.

    The simple fact is that if you dramatically increase the cost of doing business – regulation, expensive electricity and letting the unions off the leash – less business is done.

    The simple fact is that public funded and owned utilities are always cheaper for consumers. Why should we sell off assets that we already own so that private enterprise can suck off profits from a hostage consumer? It’s business that’s off the leash and making us pay more and more to keep it profitable.

    Do you really think that mongrel Ludwig had no effect on the live cattle trade?

    Do you really think that animal abuse, torment and suffering is the hallmark of a humane society and should just be ignored? When humans treat animals sadistically like that, they are usually called psychopaths. If you are a responsible farmer wouldn’t you be concerned about how the product you fed and watered ended up? These are living breathing sentient beings, not simply mindless commodities.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2013 12:23 pm

    AO, the government has no plan to build a surplus.

    Now you might not be bothered about endless deficits, but put run them for a decade or so and watch a flight of capital, lack of investment, diminishing public confidence.

    Watch the sense of hopelessness as the youth realise that their parents’ generation spent their money.

    Swan was lucky to inherit a good economy and strong budget position. He’s in the process of p!55ing that against the wall.

    If Swan wants higher tax – run that as part of a re-election bid. But personally, I think I pay quite enough tax and see no reason to kick in more.

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2013 12:54 pm

    We are still doing better than any others.”

    One reason for this is that Howard/Costello got rid of all the debt Labor created last time in power. We hit the GFC with zero Federal govt debt.

    If Labor was not thrown out in 1996 we would have hit the GFC with debt at 80% of GDP and who knows where we would be now.

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 12:55 pm

    “I don’t care what the surplus deficit is, if we need to run one to ensure we have the first world services that we expect as a wealthy nation then so be it.

    That is the attitude of the Greeks, and sundry other failing economies. I care what the deficit is. I care if we are spending now so that our children must repay the debt we run up. I care that eventually a country gets to the point where it can’t even service its debt.

    Every cent the government spends comes from private enterprise. Every cent.

    The role of government is, first and foremost, to set up a system where people can provide for themselves. We’ve already seen what happens when governments take over the economy – the result is poverty, misery and death for their citizens on an unprecedented scale.

    On the other hand it is quite legitimate for governments to step into the breach and provide services to people in dire need or to provide public services such as roads schools and hospitals. But there are limits.

    Sadly there are people who think that there are not very real practical limits to the amount governments can spend. It is disastrous for society not to care about deficits.

    Leftism as an attitude fails because it doesn’t know when to stop. Once leftists fought battles that needed to be fought – workers’ rights, public schools and hospitals and welfare benefits. The trouble is that they have no idea when to stop. Eventually the point is reached where private enterprise can’t earn enough for the government to spend. A rational person might be a leftist at one time and still understand the limits to government spending. Only a depraved fantasist believes that governments can increase their spending forever.

    While there may be nothing wrong with having a small deficit and reasonable government debt which can be paid off in the short term if circumstances warrant it, it is immoral to run perpetual deficits that have to be paid off by future generations. Especially when you get to the situation of Greece, where the ponzi scheme can’t go on. Then the whole country goes down the gurgler even as those addicted to their perks and welfare riot in the streets.

    Sadly we have too many doe-eyed leftists filled with endless dreams and schemes to spend other peoples’ money while at the same time being economically innocent of all notions of paying for their largess.

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2013 12:57 pm

    Flannery is an economist who does climate change on the side.

    Yeah, what would he know about market mechanisms to stop harmful business practice. Bolt, jones, newsltd journos and rinehart mouthpieces are so much better qualified.

    All we need is a slogan, yeah that will fix everything.

    💡 “carrots aren’t sticks”

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:03 pm

    “Do you really think that animal abuse, torment and suffering is the hallmark of a humane society and should just be ignored? “

    No. Dumb trite insults like that only demonstrate your irrationality.

    I don’t want a knee-jerk over-the-top reaction that destroys and industry. Ludwig was incompetent precisely because he did what the mewling fools demanded without regard to dealing with the matter in a way that did not destroy the industry. His measures were extreme and satisfied the extremist loons who would like to shut down that industry.

    If you want to understand the real effect of leftist idiocy just look at the thousand or so people Labor has drowned by winding back the Pacific Solution. It is precisely because they decide matters on what feels good in their little lefty bleeding hearts and without regard to rationality that they can think they are somehow morally superior to the rest of us even while murdering all those people. All for the sake of them feeling good about themselves.

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:05 pm

    I care if we are spending now so that our children must repay the debt we run up. I care that eventually a country gets to the point where it can’t even service its debt.

    Spare me, what a load of self serving BS

    Do you care that generations of children will be paying the enormous debt left to them by this generation due to their non-action on climate change? This current generation couldn’t care less about their children’s future!

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:07 pm

    “Flannery is an economist”

    Flannery’s PhD was in paleontology. He has no relevant qualifications in climate change, which is obvious from the delusional ignorance of his prognostications in that field.

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:09 pm

    “Do you care that generations of children will be paying the enormous debt left to them by this generation due to their non-action on climate change? “

    I care that they will be paying an enormous debt left to them by ignorant lefty wankers imposing a ridiculous tax which will have absolutely zero (correct to three decimal places) effect on global carbon emissions. All for the sake of allowing the denizens of the Lower North Shore to feel good about themselves.

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:19 pm

    The role of government is, first and foremost, to set up a system where people can provide for themselves.

    haha, where is that written? must be in the neoliberal handbook.

    I’d like to see how ‘the system’ would go when the people provide for themselves by taking over operations and ownership of their workplaces!

    The role of government is to provide services to benefit all of the people.

    We’ve already seen what happens when governments take over the economy – the result is poverty, misery and death for their citizens on an unprecedented scale.

    No that is when corporations and governments collude against the people.

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:21 pm

    “I’d like to see how ‘the system’ would go when the people provide for themselves by taking over operations and ownership of their workplaces!”

    We have seen that. They tried it last century – 100 million dead, the rest in gulags or dire poverty.

  68. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:37 pm

    ‘Our treasurer and government should be congratulated for shepherding us through a GFC’

    They over spent on useless items and Dan Murphy did well out of it.

  69. egg permalink
    April 29, 2013 1:59 pm

    ‘Why should we sell off assets that we already own so that private enterprise can suck off profits from a hostage consumer?’

    Auspost could be sold in lots, with online shopping its a healthy business. The ABC and SBS should also be broken up in similar fashion, worth a pretty penny on the open market.

    Pascoe would not object.

  70. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 29, 2013 2:57 pm

    The role of government is to provide services to benefit all of the people.

    Since fkn when? That there is the problem.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2013 4:38 pm

    We have seen that. They tried it last century – 100 million dead, the rest in gulags or dire poverty.

    Modern industrial democracy has travelled a long way since Stalin’s Russia …

    Europe in particular … in Germany in particular … (my own research was for a uni assignment in the early 1990’s) … very impressive – the boards of public companies run by a mix of appointed directors and elected workers … a far cry from Australia’s confrontation approach … still used by many companies in the US and Oz …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Since fkn when? That there is the problem.

    So just what IS the role of government, James?

    We’ve seen how well privatisation of our power and water works … especially for those on fixed incomes …

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2013 7:05 pm

    I think it’s great to see “Col” channeling both Scaper and Catching Up – ”Yes I was surprised. ‘For all intensive purposes’, I thought he had the ‘crutch of the matter’ well under control. ‘In lame man’s terms’, ‘he gave give up the goat’ and became ‘a damp squid’. I suppose I will just have to ‘grin and bare it’. Or maybe I should be ‘internally grateful’. ‘Little lone …

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2013 7:43 pm

    ‘Scuse, ToM … WTF is “Col”? I’m assuming this is to do with CW … WGAF … yer obsessed …

  74. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 29, 2013 9:27 pm

    So just what IS the role of government, James?

    To govern. To defend. To make laws for the free and fair operation of society.

    Sometimes, in rare circumstances, that may mean providing a service. But those circumstances are rare. And only when private enterprise is unwilling and/or unable to provide that service and when that service is absolutely necessary.

  75. May 1, 2013 3:10 am

    its`s good to see you spouting the the same tired americanism`s snacy, americanism`s that have even failed the yanks. Why don`t teeebags like yourself spout about the excessive taxation that a `surplus` is, how Howard/Costello stole more dollars off taxpayers than they actually needed to run the country, and bleat that Mr-Rabbit wants to do the same.?
    .
    of course snacy, you will have to ignore that private-enterprise didn`t build Australia, but Govt projects in did.

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