BREAKING NEWS: NEW SURVEY FINDS WE HATE POLITICS!
A new survey by Melbourne university has confirmed the suspicions of many; Australians are turning away from political engagement in droves and are generally disgusted with the state of political discourse in Australia.
Despite the world’s longest election campaign, or in fact, as a consequence of it, Australians have simply switched off.
More than a third of us have little or no interest in September’s election, and the majority of us believe the quality of leadership and the tone of debate is worse than usual.
70 per cent lack confidence in the federal government, including almost half of Labor voters.
The results are part of a survey of 1000 voters undertaken by the university’s Centre for Advancing Journalism.
It reveals a deeper disengagement with politics than usual and presents a challenge for political parties vying for public attention. The centre’s senior research fellow, Dr Denis Muller, said the survey found that Australians were ”pretty appalled” at the standard of politics.
”We’re disgusted with the way they [politicians] talk to each other and we think there’s a lack of political leadership, so we’ll just switch off and vote when the day comes,” he said. The survey, undertaken in March and April, found:
■ 57 per cent of voters say the quality of political debate is ”noticeably worse” than the past, with little difference between Labor and Liberal voters.
■ 43 per cent say they usually take a ”good deal” of interest in politics, but just 36 per cent say they are now interested.
■ 36 per cent say they have little or no interest in this year’s federal election.
■ 58 per cent say the quality of federal leadership is ”noticeably worse” that it used to be. Liberals are far more likely to criticise federal leadership than Labor voters.
■ The media fare no better, with 73 per cent of voters having little or no confidence in the press and 71 per cent having little confidence in television.
The survey was undertaken as part of the centre’s ”Citizens’ Agenda” project, which will gauge whether social media can boost participation and engagement in politics. From Monday, voters in 10 key electorates will be able to post questions to their local candidates, and vote for other questions they want answered via social media website OurSay.org.- http://www.oursay.org/ca
The three most popular questions will be put to candidates at public meetings in August and September. Electorates include Melbourne and Corangamite in Victoria, Bradfield and Fowler (New South Wales) and Longman and Oxley (Queensland).
Dr Muller said it was a landmark project because nobody really knew whether social media, widely used by Australians, could boost political engagement. Some political experts argue sites such as Facebook and Twitter empower voters to get more active, but others suggest those involved are the same people who have always been interested – mostly educated men.
OurSay chief executive Eyal Halamish said it was possible that political parties could try to ”game” the results, particularly in marginal seats, by flooding the site with questions and votes posted by party apparatchiks. But a similar exercise in the inner-city seat of Melbourne in 2010 did not did not appear to have been hijacked and had raised substantial local issues.
The poll was undertaken by Australian Fieldwork Solutions and has a 3.2 per cent margin of error.
Citizens’ Agenda project leader Margaret Simons said the poll results were alarming.
‘These findings show how badly we need to re-engage voters and improve media coverage of politics,’ she said.
The poll surveyed 1000 voters across Australia in March and April.
theguttertrash.com 
Who’d have thought it?
Well I’ll be fkd … I’m only average, then? 😆
Shows what happens when the dominant mode of political discourse is spin-driven point scoring. What we need is someone who actually believes in something. A Thatcher would win in a landslide. Like any great bondage mistress she would know what we need and she would give it to us good and hard.
People don’t like politicians but we need a government and labor will look after normal people better. Ms Gillard gets lots of unfair reporting and should not be so unpopular. But you won’t agree with that.
Like any great bondage mistress she would know what we need and she would give it to us good and hard.
After tieing you up so you couldn’t escape!
’36 per cent say they have little or no interest in this year’s federal election.’
So a third of Australian voters have no interest in politics, how very unsurprising. Of greater concern, almost three-quarters have little confidence in the MSM.
“almost three-quarters have little confidence in the MSM.”
Which suggests that the prevailing mantra at the cafe, TPS and AIMN that Australians are somehow being brainwashed by the MSM doesn’t have any credibility whatsoever.
So Tony Abbott reckons that paid parental leave is a winner for women…
Funded by the employer, let’s just watch from the sidelines as businesses no longer employ young twenty to thirty something young females through fear of being slugged with the financial burden…
” being brainwashed by the MSM ”
reb, This would mainly apply to rural locations that only had one Limited-News rag and only gets a single TV station `Prime`. For the big towns and cities it`s not true. The embedded media as a whole suffer from herd-think, which tends to megaphone poor quality info and talk-points. You may have noticed my attitude to `gate-keeper` and `5-estate` previously.
Abbott’s parental leave scheme is generous by the past standards of Australia, and by those applicable in the USA, but it isn’t particularly out of line with those in many OECD countries.
It is though reasonable to discuss whether it is a big poirity now.
I’m confident he will shelve the PPL scheme, that’s why the team is flying kites before the election … to test the mood.
Clive Palmer thinks he can pick up 15 seats in Queensland, seems wildly optimistic but can’t be ruled out.
He is kicking Canberra public servants, saying they are overpaid fat cats. Nice one Clive.
At a recent gathering of UAP candidates the band enthusiastically played ‘True Blue, I Am Australian and Waltzing Matilda, in front of a huge mural of the Great Wall of China.’
“You may have noticed my attitude to `gate-keeper` and `5-estate` previously.”
Not really. When most of your comments (historically speaking) simply repeat “teabag” this and “teabag” that, you’ll forgive me for just scrolling on past…
(There’s a lesson in there somewhere…)
“they are overpaid fat cats.”
I would’ve used a different “c” word….
‘This would mainly apply to rural locations that only had one Limited-News rag and only gets a single TV station `Prime`.
Fairfax has the whole stable in rural NSW and we get half a dozen free to air stations now.
Do try and keep up 6.40.
l largely stopped using Tbag on request from the censorship board, didn`t fall in the spam-trap either.
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” Clive Palmer thinks he can pick up 15 seats in Queensland, seems wildly optimistic but can’t be ruled out. ”
egg, “wildly optimistic“ fully agree egg, got a link to crazy clive.?
Yeah, anything is possible, but can`t see clive even getting more than Katter myself.
” Fairfax has the whole stable in rural NSW “
maybe so egg, but outside nsw is a place called `the rest of australia` and single rag towns exist under both mast-heads
A small bounce in this poll, but to the Liberals.
http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport
If this poll is correct… Julia Gilllard has to attract 6000+ votes per day, every single day to get to 50%!! on 14 Sept.
That seems like a lot of votes to attract every day,
“That seems like a lot of votes to attract every day,
Maybe she could just do what they do in Malaysia and grant Taswegians a job on the mainland in exchange for a vote…..
” has to attract 6000+ votes per day “
yomm you use the word “ATTRACT“ which is why l think 2013 won`t go as `recommended` _ To me this will be about who “REPELS“ voters, and both sides are not `attractive`.
Not really. When most of your comments (historically speaking) simply repeat “teabag” this and “teabag” that, you’ll forgive me for just scrolling on past…
I think the teabag tag is quite relevant when the libs are singing from the same songbook as the teabaggers in the US. People have even noted the same US ‘primaries’ look of the abbott campaigns. You are really not taking much notice if you think that the libs are producing anything remotely ‘home grown’ it’s all imported teabaggery [besides, tom’s repetititions and dot points have been tolerated for years without scrolling]. 730 is just calling it [and some teabag comments] for what it is.
Right, so this week Abbott must have repelled every one of the Liberal voters in Bendigo. Next week he has to offload all the Liberals in Ballarat.
Abbott has to repell 45,000 voters each week until 14 Sep to get Gillard over the line!
Every single one of the voters he repells have to go to Gillard one way of the other.
” Every single one of the voters he repells have to go to Gillard one way of the other.”
WRONG. The votes can go anywhere yomm, and it looks like Katters-kids will pick-up a couple of Nats and an Alp seat. Crazy-clive.? got no idea, but hope egg turns up something.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/federal-election/clive-palmer-has-eyes-on-winning-15-seats-with-the-new-united-australia-party/story-fnho52jp-1226635979796
No, they can’t go to Katterbecause his candidates will ultimately provide support to the coalition. They are most unlikely to use any balance of power return Gillard. In a hung parliament a vte for Katter will most likely be be a vote for the coalition.
Gillard is 5 or 6% behind on 2PP, she needs 45,000 votes every week.
Palmer won’t support the ALP either.
egg, thanks for crazy clive
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/federal-election/clive-palmer-has-eyes-on-winning-15-seats-with-the-new-united-australia-party/story-fnho52jp-1226635979796
” named four candidates to run for federal seats in the upcoming election ”
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” A government’s there to provide a service, create an environment and create an opportunity, and we need to get our cake and make it bigger and bigger to create more wealth for the country.”
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it does`nt exactly look like clive will back Mr-Rabbit either yomm, and in this environment l wouldn`t be surprised if clives-kids got a couple of seats also, tho 15 is loopy
” In a hung parliament __ Katter ”
Katter is making ground in primary produce `seats`.
His speeches consist of things like (paraphrased)
“don`t blame the Alp or greens, it was Howard that stuffed us up“
You can find it on Katter Chatter (web-tv) yomm (i saw on tv)
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if Katter and a few shiny new Katter-kids face a hung Parliament decision, they will have two choices,
1. join Joolya in a proven and guaranteed `full` term, OR
2. Join Mr-Rabbit, who wouldn`t go full term as per Windsor/Oakeshott
Katter didn’t support Gillard in this parliament, when she looked as if she had a chance, why would be support her in the next one?
45,000 votes a week have to leave Abbott, and go to someone who will support Gillard. The bookies understand these numbers.
” 45,000 votes a week have to leave Abbott, and go to someone who will support Gillard.”
Nah, 14 million votes will go where they go in an 8-hour poll day.
” why would be support her in the next one? ” (re Katter)
lf Katter was so pro-Mr-Rabbit, he would have joined the tories, not go out and start his own party. Same goes for Clive.
Flying Kites
‘Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will be asked to defend, discard or modify his promised generous paid parental leave scheme in the Coalition party room next week, amid growing internal concerns that it is not affordable.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-faces-call-to-defend-paid-parental-leave-plan-20130506-2j3nt.html#ixzz2SYF6DtBW
Yep, all good stuff. Goodbye middle class welfare.
‘THE Coalition has vowed to enforce a new “culture of self-reliance” to bring welfare spending under control as it faces a renewed debate over its economic platform because of the generosity of its $4.3 billion paid parental leave scheme.
‘Opposition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey yesterday outlined plans to wind back “universal access to payments” as he declared that governments should offer no more than what people could not do for themselves.’
David Crowe and Sid Maher in the Oz
Bookies understand the difference between wishful thinking and probability.
Thinking that Gillard will get back because a rump of disgruntled Queensland rednecks will support her is ‘wishful thinking’
Understanding that Gillard needs to pick up over 6000 votes every day between now and 14 Sept is the reason bookies give Gillard about a 1 in 7 chance. That’s probably the odds of Abbott screwing up so badly that he loses 800,000 votes.
730 prefers wishful thinking to probability.
Pretty hard to argue that Joe is wrong
“…………..On Tuesday, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey tweeted that the federal budget, due to be handed down next Tuesday, was in ”chaos”………….”
”Wong says revenue write downs now $17bn. Last week Gillard said $12bn. Week before Swan said $7bn. Budget in complete chaos !!”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/federal-budget-takes-17-billion-hit-20130507-2j4ah.html#ixzz2SYeAIyvY
“I think the teabag tag is quite relevant when the libs are singing from the same songbook as the teabaggers in the US. “
Fair enough.. 🙂
.”..besides, tom’s repetititions and dot points have been tolerated for years without scrolling.”
True dat.
2DT That cannot be true. This is what Wayne Swan said in May last year
http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm
“The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.
In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.
This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time…………………….The deficit years of the global recession are behind us. The surplus years are here.”
Yes Neil,
This bit really tickles me…………
“This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time…………………….The deficit years of the global recession are behind us. The surplus years are here.”
And here’s something that will get 730 fired up quick smart
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/white-house-petition-calls-for-merger-of-united-states-australia-to-form-ameristralia/story-fncvk70o-1226636517210
I’d like to see Tony Abbott front an audience of smart young high school kids like Julia Gillard did last night on Q&A* … she perfomed well (ran off at the mouth abit but was quick to acknowledge Tony Jones’ mediation) …
I kept thinking … “Abbott would be stumbling, mumbling and bumbling with intelligent questioning like this … and they are kids … smart tho …”
Funny yarn 2D, got me laughing.
I’d be interested specifically in what Coalition policies are reflective of those of the Tea Party.
Well Wayne Swan will be happy. According to Sephen Koukamaniac we do not enough debt.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3751658.htm
“They’re AAA rated they’re as good as gold. The problem with the Australian level of gross debt now and this is the Basel three requirements for looking after banks in the post GFC world is we don’t have enough debt.”
Or course he was Julia Gillards economic advisor
The only one I can see is the relatively recent policy change to oppose emissions trading, which to me is simply common sense.
The Coalition have always been about less spending/lower taxing. The Coalition don’t appear to be advocating the dismantling of Medicare. Any other similarities, to the extent that they exist, have been part of Conservative policy for decades, so any claim that it’s merely channelling the Tea Party is simply false.
Katter didn’t support Gillard in this parliament, when she looked as if she had a chance, why would be support her in the next one?
Katter didn’t have to, he played it smart. Windsor and Oakeshott delivered the deal which allowed katter to pretend to support the coalition and keep his conservative support.
I had thought that Katter would act much like Hanson did – take votes from the Lib/Nats. Abbott and the Lib/Nats wouldn’t be happy about big Clive either. People who are fed up with the two majors might find clive a breath of fresh air from the corruption and collusion/lobbying that totally ignores the best interests of the voting public.
Was interesting that clive had a break-in at his head office immediately after going public with news about his new party. His head accountants computer the only thing stolen,sounds like typical Lib/Nat mafia operations? [just can’t help themselves, nothing like a sense of entitlement and ‘above the rules/laws’ mentality to kneecap and knock off your opponents].
sounds like typical Lib/Nat mafia operations
Typical suggests a pattern of behaviour. Any “other” instances of this sort of conduct by the Coalition? I mean, we know Bob Kernohan’s has the suitcase beaten out of him twice for blowing the whistle on Gillard……..
Wally … Kneel, has already signed up!
I see that a Canadian wants to join up with New Zealand … that would be Canz or New Zecan …
I’m going to sign the America petition.
Lets all get ourselves a gun…………..!
“People who are fed up with the two majors”
The polls would indicate that they are fed up with Labor much more than the Libs, and also fed up with the Greens. It will be a great day when Sarah Hanson-Dungheap is booted from the Senate.
I mean, we know Bob Kernohan’s has the suitcase beaten out of him twice for blowing the whistle on Gillard…
I find it astounding that a budding lawyer makes such assertions … I noticed “common sense” reared its ugly head earlier in the thread too …
I’m not au fait with the Kernohan case and a quick Google brings up Michael Smith ad nauseam …
Was the case ever investigated by poilce? If they did, what conclusion(s) did they reach?
Here ya go Wally … print yer own gun …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/d-printed-handgun-fires-successlly/story-e6frfro0-1226636444667
Bashing political opponents is standard operating procedure in Unionland – ask Peter Baldwin. Anyone who breaks the Unionland Omerta pays a heavy price.
As to Michael Smith – he had the guts to resign rather than be intimidated by Gillard’s attempted to suppress reporting of her role in the AWU scandal. In true Unionland style Gillard thought she could intimidate her critics to silence. Smith lost his job but kept his integrity, something Gillard would never understand given that the concept of integrity appears to be completely unkonown to her.
Given that the police are now investigating Gillard’s role in the AWU scandal, it is clear that Smith was right to attempt to report on the issue. That is something a real journalist would do, as opposed to the awkward silence of the craven mealy-mouthed lackeys that inhabit the ABC and Fairfax.
I am fed up with Greens/Labor supporters. They seem to be incapable of telling the truth.
‘I’m going to sign the America petition.’
Mexicans and Latinos welcome.
Have you read, TB, what I was responding to? I quoted it in my post.
You repeatedly assert that “as a budding lawyer” I should have a different standard of proof when posting opinions and assertions on this blog.
Indeed, I do apply a different standard, but certainly not to the level that would be required to achieve a finding in an Australian Court to a criminal or even a civil standard. Because this isn’t a court, it’s a blog, and a largely informal one at that. Is it your contention that a Law student, or even a practicing lawyer for that matter, should be excluded from participation in political discourse of this nature?
Don’t be so hard on the Greens, Neil. They are a small ragtag collection of pompous new-class windbags, tree-huggers and dissipated old commos. It is quite picturesque to have a few faeries at the bottom of the garden.
Still rumblings on the ground over the 457 visas.
http://www.accomnews.com.au/management/143-keeping-house/2806-visa-rorts-are-affecting-housekeepers
The Greens drive me nuts. They make me look like a rapid Coalition supporter. I try and say something nice about Greens/Labor and I cannot find much to be nice about. I just have nothing in common with them. But there is no excuse for factual inaccuracies.
When I arrived on Tim Dunlops blog everybody kept telling me that the evil John Howard manipulated the unemployment rate. He introduced a new rule that you only have to work one hour/week to be considered employed and hence unemployment fell from 8% to 4%.
Turns out it is an international standard (working one hour/week) and Howard had nothing to do with it. And i still keep seeing that rubbish with slight variations. Either JH, Abbott and now Amanda Vanstone have been accused of manipulating the unemployment rate when in power.
The Coalition don’t appear to be advocating the dismantling of Medicare.
The liberal party have wanted to destroy medicare ever since it was implemented.
The dismantling was done years ago, medicare is basically non-existent as the universal health system it used to be. Howard is responsible for the wrecking ball through it. Lots of hypocritical words spoken publicly about keeping it while the destruction was stealth from within. Medicare has been bastardised to the point of only existing as a safety net, same thing is happening to public schooling. Taxpayers are massively funding private choice.
A ‘fairer’ Medicare? Truth is Howard would rather have it put down:
His biographer David Barnett records that Howard promised in December 1986 that, in his new Coalition family policy, “bulk-billing under Medicare would go, except for those classified as disadvantaged, and there would be the option of belonging either to [the revamped] Medicare or to a private health fund”.
… so any claim that it’s merely channelling the Tea Party is simply false.
People have very short memories, the [aussie style] tea party kicked off with a call for a ‘people’s revolution’. There is a biased, campaigning press, shock jocks, militant industry activism, the continual anti union propaganda, right wing think tanks infiltrating everything including the previously independent ABC, The ‘below the radar’ bernardi activities of gutless corporate activism where anonymity ensures no risk of consumer backlash [same with the think tanks].
Call for a People’s Revolution:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/call-for-a-peoples-revolution-20110304-1bi1v.html#ixzz2SZ3ZGJDe
…In Australia, the first difference is that the conservative leader, Tony Abbott, has called for the “people’s revolt”. And Bernardi and other Liberals are promoting it. In the US, the Tea Party was ahead of the institutional opposition in its anger and organising. Here, the institutional opposition is actually leading the movement…
Abbott’s Tea Party on climate fears:
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/44982.html
…Abbott wants to mimic the rise of the powerful ‘Tea Party’ movement in the US which has helped undermine the presidency of Barack Obama. The Tea Party phenomenon had a big impact in recent US elections and it has spawned extremist fervour one consequence of which was the attempted assassination of the US Congresswomanx, Gabrielle Giffords. In Australia, this new politics also involves anonymous death threats and enormous personal pressure on the two independent MPs whose support is crucial for Labor…
Abbott locks in with Tea Party and a green army:
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/abbott-locks-in-with-tea-party-and-a-green-army-67668
This is going to be a very long year. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has kicked off the political calendar with a sort of mini-election launch in the western suburbs of Sydney. Some media types billed it as a presidential-style event, but the most striking and worrying similarity to the last US election campaign was not Abbott’s shirt sleeves nor his soapbox, but his grim determination to hang on to Tea Party politics and policies on climate and clean energy.
WATERFORD: The Tony Abbott Tea Party:
Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/editorial/waterford-the-tony-abbott-tea-party-20110802-1wudv.html#ixzz2SZ8PyZLj
…Instead of providing stiff, but necessarily unavailing opposition, allowing the Government to govern while warning the electorate of the weakness and deficiencies of its approach, he is instead doing his level best to make all government more difficult, to sabotage Government action, even to try to talk down the economy or to invite some sort of strike by capital, designed to make the Government fall…
…Like the Tea Party his campaigning style has been focused on the extremes and on massive oversimplification. Those who watched him as a minister in the Howard government saw a man quite willing to make little compromises and deals – and someone not in the least unhappy about increasing taxes or the size of government…
massive oversimplification?
three word slogans, stunts, photo ops in blue collar jobs, outright lies and propaganda promotions, character assassination, abuse of courts for political purposes.
From the article: “However, it seems employers will not be forced to check if locals are available to fill jobs before they import foreigners, under the federal crackdown on temporary skilled visas.”
That is called the McTernan loophole.
It is poetic justice that, judging by the results, McTernan is an utter disaster as media adviser to Gillard. It is hard to imagine any worse case of ‘tin ear’.
“three word slogans, stunts, photo ops in blue collar jobs, outright lies and propaganda promotions, character assassination, abuse of courts for political purposes.”
Agreed. Gillard is an utter disgrace.
Given that the police are now investigating Gillard’s role in the AWU scandal, it is clear that Smith was right to attempt to report on the issue. That is something a real journalist would do, as opposed to the awkward silence of the craven mealy-mouthed lackeys that inhabit the ABC and Fairfax.
Funny how the police mafiosi and these integrity ridden
real journalistsliberal mouthpieces in the media have no appetite for investigating the political scandal of the decade, the ashby/slipper conspiracy.The silence is deafening.
Look over there! Look over there! Is that all you can do? Mock someone who has taken a principled stand. How pathetic.
No wonder political debate has become so debased. It is all about point-scoring isn’t it?
The liberal party have wanted to destroy medicare ever since it was implemented
Then it can hardly have been importing its ideas from the Tea Party now can it?
Call for a People’s Revolution
Hartcher describes a movement set up to counter the influence of the Get Ups and the Trade Unions. Big deal. Does it have policies reflective of the Tea Party?
I know of someone else who frequently calls for a “peoples’ revolution”. Do you?
The Tea Party phenomenon had a big impact in recent US elections and it has spawned extremist fervour one consequence of which was the attempted assassination of the US Congresswomanx, Gabrielle Giffords.
You, and the person you quote, should well know that Jared Lee Loughner had no political leanings whatsoever and was anti Government generally, as well as possibly anti-Semitic. Linking the Giffords shooting to the Tea Party is straight out irresponsible, but typical of the Left.
You have failed to point to a single policy that the Tea Party have inspired in the Coalition. All you’ve done is suggest that political activism from the Conservative side of politics is somehow a bad thing. I’m not sure I get why that would be.
“The liberal party have wanted to destroy medicare ever since it was implemented”
Yeah…Yeah……….just like they have wanted to destroy Government Schools.
But gee, when you consider how many times they have taken power and had the opportunity to do so they are not very good at carrying through with it are they ………..?
“McTernan is an utter disaster as media adviser to Gillard. It is hard to imagine any worse case of ‘tin ear’.”
I cant believe he still has the job…………….then again Swan is still treasurer so anything seems possible.
The McTernan Loophole
Maybe I could import someone to take my place.
But 2DT, he was a “Thinker in Residence”.
Who………………………..Swan…………………………?
ROFLMAO
If the LNP has always been so determined to destroy Medicare did they somehow not realise they could have done so when they had control of the Senate in 2004/07 ?
From alp.org.au
WANTED
Members of Parliament
Only fat, unintelligent, middle aged men, with 30 years service as a union hack need apply
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What did Gillard do today to pick up 6000 votes?
If the LNP has always been so determined to destroy Medicare did they somehow not realise they could have done so when they had control of the Senate in 2004/07 ?
No need to, the damage had already been done by then. Howard was quick off the blocks to tax and churn through medicare.
july 1996 – increased to fund the gun buy-back scheme, removed in july 1997…then immediately added a surcharge [july 1997] for high income earners who did not take out private health insurance plus a means tested rebate added at the same time.
1999 – howard proposed a levy increase on those earning >$50,000 to fund the east timor commitment and to protect the budget surplus! [this policy however was ditched just weeks before coming into existence] gillard would have been crucified for proposing something like that!
Then it can hardly have been importing its ideas from the Tea Party now can it?
You are the one who brought up medicare in the first place. Are you debating yourself now? Too tricky by half. Do you ever even try to have a genuine debate on any issue?
I haven’t raised any medicare vs tea party connections, didn’t know there was any. Our scheme is so longstanding that there is no relevance to Obamacare [if that is the issue you were arguing with yourself about]. I imagine the connection is that both republicans and liberals are ideologically opposed to any universal health care, they prefer that people are desperate, jailed and/or sent bankrupt for non payment of their medical bills.
WANTED
Intelligent, charismatic individual to lead the Labor party.
Former Prime Ministers who remain twice as popular as the incumbent need not apply.
I simply went down the list of Tea Party grievances and tried to make a relevant comparison.
Climate aside, I don’t think there’s a similar policy position. Certainly not one so recent to Conservative politics in Australia that it could be put down to channelling the Tea Party.
My point is that trying to pigeon hole the Coalition as being comparable to either the Tories or the Tea Party is a (probably deliberate) misunderstanding of all of those ideologies.
It’s great to see the ALP preselect
fat, old, lazy union hacksvibrant young people as the candidates for safe ALP seats.Welcome to Cesar Melham!
yomm ___ ” Bookies understand “
Bookies would not have had anything on katter or clive starting their own party until katter and clive TOLD the bookies, that`s a real straw-clutch yomm.
jock shock ___ ” get 730 fired up quick smart “
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/white-house-petition-calls-for-merger-of-united-states-australia-to-form-ameristralia/story-fncvk70o-1226636517210
Nah, our Canberra
LEADERSfollowers have goose-stepped after the yanks into every disaster since ww2, l have every faith that will continuesnacty __ ‘` I’d be interested specifically in what Coalition policies are reflective of those of the Tea Party. `’
under the Howard regime / Bush regime,
+ border fetishes began
+ patriot acts were enacted
+ middle-east invaded
+ NT euthanasia Laws trampled
+ dog-bothering anti-gay marriage views promoted
+ womens health/family planning meddled with
+ science denial / weather wanking
armchair ___ ” Katter didn’t have to, he played it smart. Windsor and Oakeshott delivered the deal which allowed katter__”
__allowed katter, oaksy and windsor to keep the numbers close. l largely agree with you armchair, but my thoughts are all three wanted to preserve their own power and not let either big-party think they could be pushed around. Katter hasn`t always backed Mr-Rabbits vote and Oaksy hasn`t always backed Joolyas vote. l`m thinking of welfare cuts on `misogyny` day.
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katter having a bunch of new kids in parliament, with an even small block of power, would not necessarily `default` to Mr-Rabbit as yomm (and his bookie) pretends, as l said above/earlier.
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Also ignored in the `recommended-noise` is that this political environment is good to launch new-parties and `fresh-faces` and l suspect there will be more independents and parties running this time around, T-bags better check their bookie.
7.30, the modern Tea Party emerged in 2009. After both Bush and Howard had left office. Basically, your conflation is lazy bullshit.
730 is obsessed with anything “tea party” as if it is the problem in the world…LOL
Arizona Arse Clowns should be more concerned about their home-state chewing thru 2_billion_$ tax-payer cash in their border fetish.
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snacty, LibNits, Tories, Repugs and T-bags all share the same level of delusion in their dog-bothering, women oppressing, gay-bashing, master race bigotry and the label is merely a label, and their content is largely the same. Whether the T-bag delusionals adopted their particular label in 2009 or 1909 is not much of an argument.
So really it’s about using expressions to inflame hatred and ridicule towards those who see the world differently to you. Nice.
7.30 is completely rusted on and WD40 will not alleviate the problem.
When 730 takes viagra he just grows taller
730 is rattled. He’s hoping for the return of Gillard, and each day her job of getting back into government gets harder. The ALP will be a rump in NSW, and ICAC just keeps the corruption in front of the public. The state government in Victoria is no longer quite on the nose.
Where is the ALP going to pick up the seats it loses? Clive Palmer apparently.
Now 730’s wishful thinking has reached a new level – he’s tipping that Gillard will be returned with the backing of Clive Palmer!
Hilarious!
snacty, you just so-called `researched` T-bags ya-self, and yet ya too dopey to realize they invented their own name T-bags/T-baggers. There is also nothing wrong with pointing out delusions of the delusional, for example, egg is rusted-on to his weather wanking delusion.
‘egg is rusted-on to his weather wanking delusion.’
Global cooling is coming.
yomm___ ” 730 is rattled.”
nope, not in the slightest
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yomm__ ” He’s hoping for the return of Gillard, ”
WRONG AGAIN.
l couldn`t care less if Joolya gets knifed before or just after the election.
l just don`t believe all this noise that`s going on, just like it did with,
+ tampa, babies over-board
+ hewson certainty
+ naked fake hansen photos
+ whyalla wipe-out
and all the other noise that didn`t happen, check ya bookie
‘FAMILIES in western Sydney will be among the biggest losers from Julia Gillard’s latest broken promise – the scrapping of a $600 boost to the family tax payment.’
Daily Terror
This is a slap in the face for the bogans, the red head will now lose all those seats.
What we need is another song from Craig Emerson – you know, just to boost Labor’s credibility stakes…
730, hoping for the return of Gillard based on some support from the likes of Clive Palmer is at the extreme end of hope.
But, you’re tipping Gillard and all she has to do is find support at the rate of 6000+ votes a day.
yomm___ ” But, you’re tipping Gillard ”
WRONG. you`re too quick to guzzle and don`t bother to read what is posted.
l am “tipping“ if that`s what you want, is this election could go “anywhere“ in this environment, including another minority Govt, which may be totally different to this one. l am just NOT buying the default white-noise of Mr-Rabbit is a “sure“ bet.
‘Could go anywhere’
…and the most likely outcome (apparenty) is that Palmer etc will help Gillard form a minority government!
That’s certainly not tea you’re guzzling.
KL – The liberal party have wanted to destroy medicare ever since it was implemented
James – Then it can hardly have been importing its ideas from the Tea Party now can it?
7.30, the modern Tea Party emerged in 2009
Tru dat but it had been simmering below the surface for years …
and health INSURANCE (as opposed to a National Health Service available to everyone) … IS a US REPUBLICAN concept … that John Howard & The Private school Bullies embraced … and the legacy continues with the Liberal Lite Party and Liberal Heavy (breathing) Party …
BTW, 730 is correct in that the name Teabag Party is not an insult to right wing supporters … in the same vein that The Rodent wasn’t to JWH … both named by their own …
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LOL! So really it’s about using expressions to inflame hatred and ridicule towards those who see the world differently to you. Nice. LOL!
You obviously don’t read most of, sb’s rants, James … do keep up … 😛
…l am “tipping“ if that`s what you want, is this election could go “anywhere“ in this environment, including another minority Govt, which may be totally different to this one…
That’s the outcome I’m still hopeful of seeing.
How many of our polls and pollsters tipped the last hung parliament?
“Could go anywhere…”
You are kidding right?
For two years the polls have consistently shown that Labor will be massacred…
To suggest that “it’s still anyone’s race” is parallel universe stuff…
“To suggest that “it’s still anyone’s race” is parallel universe stuff…”
Yep
As they say
What colour is the sky on your planet ?
armchair__ ” That’s the outcome I’m still hopeful of seeing.”
l won`t complain 🙂
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” How many of our polls and pollsters tipped the last hung parliament?”
Exactly Zero. They predicted Mr-Rabbit would get 79 seats in 2010, the records are on Crikey, outside paywall, l checked.
Give us the Link then.
But anyway plenty said it was going to be very close based on the opinion polls.
You are just ignoring them completely and choosing to go by your “vibe”
Which make me want to………………………………..ROFLMAO
Actually come to think of it I’m almost certain that the very last poll did consider a hung parliament as quite possible.
And what was the last poll ?
It was a Skynews polling booth exit poll from memory.
730 – polls are wrong. Voting intentions are wrong. Everyone is wrong.
Clive Palmer and his fellow Queensland redneck rumps will deliver government to Gillard.
Apparently.
and health INSURANCE (as opposed to a National Health Service available to everyone) … IS a US REPUBLICAN concept … that John Howard & The Private school Bullies embraced … and the legacy continues with the Liberal Lite Party and Liberal Heavy (breathing) Party …
TB, you just made that up.
In the past couple of weeks the CEOs of 2 of the companies building the NBN have been dismissed.
NBN is a disaster, it is behind schedule, over budget, low take up …now it is killing off the careers of the people responsible for building it.
The Poll Bludger predicted Gillard would get 79 seats, not Abbott, in 2010.
Newspoll had the TPP 50.2 v 49.8 for Labor two days before the election.
Polls aren’t predictions, they’re indicators of voters’ intentions at the time they are asked.
My recollection was that it was largely about 52/48 to Labor until the last week when it narrowed significantly.
Abbott will need to do a whole lot worse than say “calibre” to lose this one.
Click to access 100825%20Final%20Poll.pdf
How many polls predicted a landslide win for Rudd in 2007…??
Oh that’s right…
ALL OF THEM.
snacty, that`s interesting with the your poll info. l did see one somewhere that said Mr-Rabbit 79 seats as the prediction, as you realize polls aint my thing. Your poll prediction still shows the same error that l keep banging on about, as Joolya didn`t get the 79 seats either.
“………..as you realize polls aint my thing.”
Yeah……….seems you like reading tea leaves
It’s the Vibe
Students hurl abuse and throw sandwiches at PM Gillard as she arrives at Marsden High School for morning tea…
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/sandwich-thrown-as-students-mob-prime-minister-julia-gillard-at-marsden-high/story-e6frfkp9-1226637549328
Not quite the rock star welcome Kevin Rudd used to get is it…
reb__ ” predicted a landslide win for Rudd in 2007 ”
Yeah, l understand reb, but didn`t Kevin07 have a really high `personal` number say `57`, but most of the time both Mr-Rabbit and Joolya flounder with a low number say `25`.? l seem to remember Kevin07 was `Loved` while most of the time Mr-Rabbit and Joolya have been `Hated` since 2010.
I bet those little kiddies wont be invited onto Q&A next time the PM needs an audience
Your poll prediction still shows the same error that l keep banging on about, as Joolya didn`t get the 79 seats either.
No. But it wasn’t a poll, it was a prediction based on a reading of the polls. In reality, these poll “experts” (Possum, Poll Bludger) have not much idea, much like economic forecasters. There are simply too many factors that can swing a result and there’s little real analysis of that until you watch on election night and they start talking about booths and local issues etc.
51/49 you’re only starting to get an idea of the actual result (just ask Beazley). 52/48 it’s a fair bit clearer. 56/44 means it’s a flogging. When those numbers persist for a long time, as they have, it would take something pretty extraordinary to change it. I know the ALP types are desperately looking for a “Latham Moment” but there have been so many attempts now to confect one (including yesterday’s “calibre” fiasco) that even if such a moment were to occur (say a Shit Happens type thing) the effect would probably be lost.
And besides, Julia Gillard is not John Howard. The “risk” such as it is, is not in changing a Government but in persisting with one.
Tossin sandwiches huh.? Must be a brick shortage at Marsden.
The point I’m making 730 is that the polls were correct…a concept you seem to struggle with…
And that will be Labor’s mistake. They’ll campaign on a “don’t risk Abbott” type platform and the constituency will reply with “Are you fkn kidding??”
“When those numbers persist for a long time, as they have, it would take something pretty extraordinary to change it.”
Exactly Snacty…
“I know the ALP types are desperately looking for a “Latham Moment” but there have been so many attempts now to confect one..”
Indeed. Wasn’t Gillard meant to get some sort of bounce after last year’s budget….?
I think most people are just sick to death of Gillard and just want to see her off their TV screens for good.
” The “risk” such as it is, is not in changing a Government but in persisting with one.”
This is just total bullshit coming out of IPA/Limited-News/Torie Talk-points and megaphoned by the rest of the dead-beats.
Shorter 730: “teabags, teabags, teabags….”
reb, Keeping in mind Joolya is crap and we hate her. Once we move beyond that, what good reason do you have to vote for Mr-Rabbit.?
The ALP needs 2 terms in opposition.
Hawke and Wran made recommendations about structural reform over a decade ago. Fawkner, Bracks etc made secret recommendations after the 2010 debacle.
Both gather dust.
After this election they’ll get another report that recommends structural change… and it will be ignored.
Perhaps they’ll get around to implementing some of the one after the next.
The ALP is corrupt, decaying, moribund – without any ability to preselect non union hack candidates. It’s policies are dishonest and designed to appeal to rednecks and zealots. Its leader and deputy are proven liars. It doesn’t deserve to be in government.
…the public gets this, and that’s why the ALP is so far behind.
“……….what good reason do you have to vote for Mr-Rabbit.?”
Answer: He’s not Julia Gillard
“The ALP needs 2 terms in opposition. ”
The ALP in its current form will never be elected again.
All of it’s current crop of future leaders (Shorten, Combet, Clare) have already been subject to public examination and will now always be associated as having formed part of this rabble.
prediction based on a reading of the polls. In reality, these poll “experts” have not much idea, much like economic forecasters. There are simply too many factors that can swing a result and there’s little real analysis of that until you watch on election night
snacty, you do realize you just proved MY point
Not really.
What you are saying is that voting intentions expressed last Saturday are not necessarily what the actual vote will be on election day. That is certainly true. Where you have your head up your arse is that you think that the change between the two will be in the order of 6%. That it will be close.
For that to occur something absolutely unprecedented would have to occur. Yes, some say that Children Overboard saved Howard in 2001. It didn’t, but it helped him. The return in the polls was already apparent.
I can not think of a circumstance that would cause the majority of the public to support a Julia Gillard led Government again. The gap is simply too large. Maybe you can explain how it might get close?
“what good reason do you have to vote for Mr-Rabbit.?”
Walrus beat me to it…
… but there have been so many attempts now to confect one (including yesterday’s “calibre” fiasco)
sreb, didn’t copy all the sentence that, James, wrote … unfortunate … because the ALP didn’t “confect” a Latham Moment … this was a major gaffe by, Tony Abbott, the wannabe PM …
Get the boofhead on the World stage and what will he say if the puppet masters are not around!
I’m looking forward to Tones on Q&A … and the debates with Julia Gillard …
Most of all I’m looking for our Australian hero/heroine that will inspire me to vote for them on September 14 … ’cause at this stage no-one’s getting my tick!
“I can not think of a circumstance that would cause the majority of the public to support a Julia Gillard led Government again.”
I can:
– The FBI discovers that North Korea is planning an imminent nuclear attack on Australia to wipe out all main Australian capital cities and Julia decides to send in the troops and launch a pre-emptive strike.
– Cattle overboard. “What sort of cunt throws cattle overboard” decries Julia and bans all live cattle exports.
– Julia decides that mandatory monitoring of GPS wearing asylum seekers in the community doesn’t go far enough and issues new decree that we all must wear them so that everybody knows where everyone else is at any given point in time.
– Introduces mandatory euthanasia for elderly retirees who sit at home watching question time while blogging about it inanely.
(my previous)
snacty, you do realize you just proved MY point on noise-polls
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”cause the majority of the public to support a Julia Gillard led Govt again.”
l am yet to see what will cause the majority of the public to support Mr-Rabbit, not in the real and meaningful way, like l asked reb directly above.
Can you answer my question i asked reb.?
l have put it to the other Torie-kids, who dodged, weaved and gave idiotic answers. l have given pretty good explainers of my own circumstance before, scroll up and take a look.
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The gap is simply too large. Maybe you can explain how it might get close?
This too is well answered above snacty.
TB…..
http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/in-defence-of-tony-abbott/
The Mummy Bloggers don’t agree.
For there to be true equal opportunity at work, PPL must be in the same form as Annual Leave or Sick Leave, not a welfare payment. I’m not sure I necessarily agree with Abbott’s PPL right now, I tend to be a bit of an evolutionist rather than a revolutionist and this one’s a big leap, but maternity leave still tends to be viewed as a too long absence from work and can stifle careers. If this goes some way to changing that, then great.
Maybe you can explain how it might get close?
…about 900,000 people will change their minds in the polling booth on 14 Sept!
My predictions of Gillard falling on her sword and Smith in the big seat… came to nothing. It was my failure to read a woman’s mind, which is blatantly sexist but the troof cannot be ignored.
Abbott should win comfortably, we know what we are getting.
” Most of all I’m looking for our Australian hero/heroine that will inspire me to vote for them on September 14 ”
You`re over-reaching there TB,
but it is refreshing that you will look at all the options that will be available to you when your ballot info is available, (unless yomms bookie has has a tip)
Abbott should win comfortably, we know what we are getting.
Indeedy yes …
… on the positive side I will be able to have fun throwing custard pies around here at some of the silly ‘beliefs” when the Liberal hit top (or is that low?) gear next year … and bleating that Labor made us do it will be no excuse! Take on a run down business you take on the shit too!
She’ll be right TB, don’t you worry about that.
The Mummy Bloggers don’t agree.
You obviously didn’t read all the comments … my guess? Just the headline …
Do you know how many degrees. Mia has BTW? 🙄
… but it is refreshing that you will look at all the options that will be available to you
And at this stage (and has been for some time … a big red CROSS from corner to corner of the ballot paper!
“- Introduces mandatory euthanasia for elderly retirees who sit at home watching question time while blogging about it inanely.”
LOL……………sorry no………………………Pissing Myself Laughing
Even I’d be swayed towards her……………………………………Ummmmm
Actually………….not really
I read the article and the first few comments. I didn’t read all 250 odd. But if there were genuine offence, it would have been found in the writings of Mia Freedman.
I don’t know how many degrees she has. I don’t often agree with her. But I think she is a woman of high calibre.
Is that sexist?
Obviously Eva Cox was carted off to a Right Wing Brainwashing Camp sometime as well.
Well known known as a Traitor to the Sisterhood now I’d say
http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/opinions/eva-cox-let-s-acknowledge-that-abbott-s-paid-parental-leave-policy-is-better/201305082109
Carbon tax chaos has arrived, it seems. Combet says it won’t cost so much to get rid of pollution now that we are coming into line with the European price.
Bet our power bills won’t go down.
Oh Looky, Demographics Mr-Rabbit won`t win
+ female vote
+ gen-y vote
+ poor vote
+ tech vote
+ gay vote
No revisiting gay marriage: Abbott
Published: May 4, 2013 – 3:00AM
Advertisement
Tony Abbott has doused expectations of any change on same-sex unions in the next Parliament, predicting that a significant majority of Coalition MPs will share his strong opposition to gay marriage.
Mr Abbott has dismissed speculation that he would call a conscience vote in the Coalition party room after the September election, telling Fairfax Media he did not anticipate ”much enthusiasm” to revisit the issue. ”I don’t think anyone should expect that this is necessarily going to come up in the next Parliament,” Mr Abbott said in an exclusive interview.
”It will ultimately be a matter for the post-election party room if it comes up, but I am strongly opposed to any change and I imagine that a strong majority in the Coalition party room will remain opposed to any change.”
http://www.theage.com.au/action/printArticle?id=4243711
*matches info l dropped off saturday*
That’s the problem with the ALP Egg
The ALP should have stuck with the simple formula of helping the middle to lower middle classes and the poorest of society.
Ever since it got caught up in the politics of environmentalism and politically correct immigration it’s found itself introducing policies which are in complete conflict with helping the middle to lower middle classes and the poorest of society.
One might say…………….”It’s lost its way”
And meanwhile the boats still come.
I can see the LNP advert blitz right now with a picture of a asylum seeker boat with the simple caption…..
“Each Boat Costs You the Taxpayer $12 Million to Process “
l heard on TV Mr-Rabbits Gold Parent Plan is going to cost $5_billion.
ls that per year.? or the next term/3-years.?
+ gen-y vote
I disagree..
Many young professionals are small “L” Liberals and can’t see the relevance of Unions in the 21st century.
In fact most of my friends are small “L”Liberals which does cause me some grief – especially when most of them hate asylum seekers etc…
They lost their way because of Gillard, history will reveal she was a closet red in green. Her old comrades laughed over their great success, from those early days in the debating club to gain ultimate political power and perhaps change the world.
Such folly in the modern age needs restifying.
…rectifying…
I don’t know how many degrees she has
She has three (so she will be of extremely high calibre)… and I found that out reading the first 20 or so … I then went on … ya see, James … the Devil (‘scuse the pun!) is in the detail … you saud … The Mummy Bloggers don’t agree. … and after reading at least 50% of the comments …………… you’re statement is wrong …
BTW, do you often visit Mia’s blog … it IS just a blog (to quote you again) …
To extend, Abbott’s, gaffe further … do the same standards apply to men? ie Those with higher education are of a higher calibre than those without? Or is it just women?
Is that sexist?
Not in that sense “woman” simply describes her gender … but … it is elitist in an egalitarian society …
Now I know that subtlety is not one of your strong points but …
Actually, I think more women are voting for Abbott than Gillard nowadays….
Must be the chest hair.
In fact most of my friends are small “L”Liberals which does cause me some grief – especially when most of them hate asylum seekers etc…
Me too, sreb, and my family’s friends … its actually quite embarassing … as I’ve never hidden my political views (that goes for now BTW … although – as here – once you have a reputation?????)
I’m looking forward to the Liberals taking power!
small “L”Liberals are the type that l know too reb,
most of them have said Howard `went nuts` or left them behind, the older ones anyway. The younger small L`s seem to be on the green side as well, hybrids. lt is a shame that some are swallowing the phobe shit tho, buying into hate folk who have done nothing to them is stupid.
Does gen y prefer dishonesty? Because regardless of whether people like technology, or taxes etc, they usually don’t like voting for liars.
That’s Gillard’s reputation, and she’s earned it.
jock shock
“Each Boat Costs You the Taxpayer $12 Million to Process “
coz the duopoly despots demand paying ten times the amount to torture poor bastards off-shore whose misfortune is to be driven from their homeland
” they usually don’t like voting for liars.”
Mr-Rabbit`s gay-marriage promise couldn`t even last a week,
bookie says truthiness won`t even get a look-in from either side
You need to stop the boats first before you can even consider on shore processing.
TPVs and no family reunions for queue jumpers
That’s Gillard’s reputation, and she’s earned it.
Agree! Equally so, Tony Abbott … shall I bring up the Youtube files again?
And I must say Julia Gillard’s lies are no more, nor worse than many politicians before her …
But
yourThe Liberal Party Monotonous Repitition Plan has obviously worked … on some … in fact on many usually rational people …+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You need to stop the boats first … </i.
Well I'm sure Morrisons twin portfolio will work there … Minister for Immigration & Defence … 😉
Actually, I think more women are voting for Gillard than Abbott nowadays … 🙄
lt is more of a political problem than anything. Neglecting National and Regional interests in favor of adventure invading midde-east with yanks, creating push factors instead of using resources in region.
“……….yanks, creating push factors instead of using resources in region.”
I didn’t realise the US Marines in Darwin were conducting landings on the beaches of Sri Lanka and Indonesia.
Perhaps a Link and I’ll forward it on to Pennsylvania Avenue
Afterall someone should tell Obama
” forward it on to Pennsylvania Avenue ”
sloppy answer, no location you cited is in middle-east
invading midde-east with yanks
Is Abbott planning that? Or do you wish to discuss the politics of 3 or 4 terms ago.
My God 730 you really are living fucking proof that one does not need a long neck to be a fucking goose.
How many boats have sailed directly from the Middle East you village idiot ?
There’s talk that Labor could lose 30 seats.
‘Actually, I think more women are voting for Gillard than Abbott nowadays … ‘
Funny you should say that, there’s is no definitive answer.
Sandwichgate:
Best comments I’ve heard are
About the video of the incident ” our version of zepreuder”
About the kid who threw the sandwich that missed” he’s no Lee Harvey Oswald”
About the Australian federal police
” not one of them were willing to put their lives on the line and take a sandwich in the guts for Gillard”
Gillard was actually attending a morning tea party at the school but instead of a cup brought a mug………referring to Craig Emerson
Oh and Julia referred to the “Carbon Price ” as the “Carbon Tax” today.
Did anyone notice ?
TomR ?
Nah ……. Too gutless to show yourself these days.
He Wont turn up here because we told him there would be a budget shortfall
On the Carbon Tax which he refuted.
Did she remain on her feet during sandwichgate?
Julia Gillard ducking the samousa-
Julia Gillard ducking the buffet desert –
Julia on her way to the barbeque-
(samosa)
Rewriting history before the fat lady sings.
‘Gillard’s position on same-sex marriage aside, there is a case to be made that her social reform record might rival Whitlam’s and that her economic reforms rank with those of the Hawke/Keating and Howard periods.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/gillards-fine-reforms-slip-between-the-gap-20130508-2j7vb.html#ixzz2Sjrf3vRp
http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/women-voters-turning-from-gillard-20130302-2fd24.html
Chicks hate Gillard.
Egg,
Has Mark Kenny subcontracted his journalism out to John McTernan ?
Amongst all that bullshit was the standout that she has “built the NBN”
Really…..Is it now finished……………..?
I can now add Mark Kenny to my list of people not to trust. He has been added to John Quiggen, Peter Martin, Stephen Koukouklis and Bernard Keane.
Meanwhile over at the blue rinse Blog Ricky has accused another blogger Wayne of having sex with underage bar girls in Thailand . And the intellectually challenged Min has supported him on it.
Ricky originally mis-named Wayne as Greg but later corrected himself………
First Post was this one
Ricky (Tory Torcher)
May 6, 2013 @ 4:32 pm
“Congradulations Greg, moronic , judgemental, stereotyping and no compassion all in one post. You get dickhead of the day award hands down. Ps and fuckwit that has a disabled person doing their concreting wants flogging. Oh and Greg how are those underage bar girls you exploit on your obvious sex tours of Thialand ?”
Second post was this
Ricky (Tory Torcher)
May 6, 2013 @ 5:34 pm
“sorry i meant wayne…the language? interesting…. just as genius wayne makes an assumption that people on welfare are frauds, i will go with his reasoning and make an assumption that someone who has been to Thailand 15 times is a sex tourist who exploits the underage poor enslaved to prostitution. offensive isn’t it… :roll:”
Funny you should say that, there’s is no definitive answer.
Noice a see ya getting my “humour”, egg …
Neil,
Stephen Koukouklis is a funny guy…………….he was advocating on Lateline the other night that we need more government debt in order to retain our AAA rating because the liquidity of the bond market was too low..
I think he was on with Liz Sloane from the Oz.
He was effectively saying we should borrow more and more and more (much like an individual applying for and maxing out as many credit cards as possible) so the ratings agencies had a clearer idea as to when we were likely to go broke.
That was his logic.
It was unfucking believable and Sloane was incredulous towards him
AND A SPESHUL POST FOR WALLY & FRIENDS!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/how-fast-is-the-nbn-compared-to-the-coalitions-internet-plan/story-e6frfro0-1226637554402
And here’s the calculator, Wally, you’ll be able to follow up your share market portfolio in a tenth of the time …
http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/
So for a two thirds of the cost you’ll get 1/10 of the speed … brilliant!
Next time you buy a car I suggest you look at one of these instead …
Although you probably drive one now … 😆
I’m shocked that Fairfax have the audacity to say that women prefer the monk over our jools.
Not much of a golfer TB
Fishing is more my thing.
Will the NBN make my share portfolio rise 10 times faster ?
Afterall……….Time is money.
Who needs the faster upload speeds by the way ?
Teenagers on Facebook ?
or businesses perhaps ?
In which case the business can still get it faster just by agreeing to pay for it to be connected to their office.
Ricky does seem to rant.
But he’s hardly the worst. Does blue hair rinse seep into the brain?
Will the NBN make my share portfolio rise 10 times faster ?
Probably …
… apart from digging up the country and selling it overseas** … Australia has a number of other competencies (skills and knowledge) that the rest of the world are interested in buying … administration, adult learning, management, farming, IT programming, medical research … to name a few … all of these professions/industries enjoy a quiet but nationally prosperous reputation overseas … and all will benefit from faster broadband speeds …
The other point I should make, is that many of these businesses are run from home … a $5000 connection fee is a big slug … plus the maintenance of copper from node to premises would exceed the cost of FTTP in a few years … FTTN is a false economy that the experts in economic management should be able to work out … (I suspect Turnbull already knows this!)
**a pastime that may become redundant until the EU and the USA get off their arses and start buying stuff from China …
“The other point I should make, is that many of these businesses are run from home … a $5000 connection fee is a big slug…….”
So you advocate that the Taxpayer should subsidise business ?
“adult learning” ?…………………………….Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………is that faster porn downloads ?
I bet your own business is actually subsidised by the Taxpayer …
Yes,……………..Most of my clients are Taxpayers with the very noble aim of becoming Non Taxpayers 🙂
What do you mean “your own business”?
As Obama said: “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” C’mon, get with the program here. 😉
NAB made a huge unseemly profit.
So now the banks have finally realised its time to pass on the full cut.
“NAB made a huge unseemly profit.”
I’m not sure it’s that great Egg since the shareprice went backwards this morning.
If you bought a share in NAB right now it would cost you around $32.94 and if it paid the same dividend over the next 12 months you’d receive $1.83. That’s a return of 5.55% but then we apply franking credits ($1.83 divided by .7 for Australian residents only) it becomes a return of equivalent to 7.93%.
Not bad but not stellar.
Certainly better than a term deposit but your initial capital is always at risk of share price fluctuation.
Egg, then there is Telstra (a stock I said to watch months and months ago when it was around $3.80 which TB duly ignored as he prefers arms manufacturers :))
Well right at this moment its at $5.07 and pays a fully franked dividend of 28c. So $0.28/5.07 divided by .7 = 7.89%.
Again your capital is at risk. But they have flagged the likelihood of a dividend increase yo 30c soon which would be a gross return of 8.45%.
Yeah…
Looking at the big picture it now appears that China won’t be the dominant economic super power this century, as previously thought.
‘China’s Development Research Council (DRC) expects growth to drop to 6pc by 2020. It could be much lower. The US Conference Board says it will average 3.7pc from 2019-2025 as the ageing crisis hits. Michael Pettis from Beijing University thinks it is likely to slow to 3pc to 4pc over the next decade, deeming this entirely desirable if it comes from taming the runaway state enterprises.’
I disagree..
Many young professionals are small “L” Liberals and can’t see the relevance of Unions in the 21st century.
They’ve never had to because they’ve always received the award wages that union members paid and fought for.
yes, but how many will vote greens rather than liberal or labor?
In fact most of my friends are small “L”Liberals which does cause me some grief – especially when most of them hate asylum seekers etc…
Why is that reb?
Does anyone know if abbott’s PPL is available for both parents eg is abbott and co. going to allow the highest earner in the household to take the PPL, whether male or female?
What eva cox misses is that abbott is not likely to introduce his PPL. There is no agreement in the party room for it. The religious fundies and traditionalists won’t have it, but you all think that is OK, this ongoing deception. You are all full of gillard’s dishonesty and blaming her for everything, even the things that are not her fault, but you have two tin ears and a blind eye to any faults and dishonesty from abbott. The PPL was always a bribe to get wimmins on side. Abbott has a habit of putting up numerous [uncosted and untested] policies that the opposition ‘could’ or ‘might’ do at some future time and almost never gets called on this deception. In fact you all start cheering him for ‘trying’ and ‘putting it out there for discussion’ as if he’s a wonderful visionary. Such hypocrisy, bias and cognitive disconnect.
Same for teh gay marriage, as 730 notes, it’s not going to be opposition policy [religious fundies control the party] but only recently abbott was saying that there ‘might’ be a change of policy from them in the future. Why would he say that unless he’s trying to sway more votes on a ‘maybe one day, future policy’. Wow, why wouldn’t people support that?? “they might change their mind one day” FFS it’s deliberately done as a phony promise, one that gets him off the hook because he never really offered any commitment. It’s their own fault if voters believe any of abbotts snake oil salesman guff.
BTW, PPL is for working women to have equality in the workforce, it is not a social welfare benefit [as the baby bonus is].
Chicks hate Gillard.
Unthinking chicks who can’t differentiate the real tony from the phony tony that has been packaged in spin and sold to them. The man for all people, I’ll do and say whatever you want, different things to different folks – sell my arse everyday and every way. “Bend me, shape me anyway you want me, long as you love me it’s all right”
I don’t think abbott should continue to be excused by so many here for the clumsy, idiotic and offensive
brainfartspublic statements that he regularly makes. These ‘mere male’ *chuckle chuckle, wink wink* excuses are OK for a joke, but it shows he really is not PM material. He spends so much time thinking before he speaks with his arrhs, errrs, umms, lipsmacking and long silences, yet still comes up with the howlers. Do we have to wait a month for him to reflect, get across the detail and then get back to us on any questions he gets asked as PM? [after his PR dept puts it through the spin cycle].So, KL, in the event that Abbott actually gets his PPL through, you’ll say you were wrong about him all along?
“Why is that reb?”
I have no idea KL…
But several people I know on good terms really hate the fact that asylum seekers are coming to Australia, and reckon that they all ought to be shipped back home.
Unsurprisingly, one couple I know who subscribe to this belief also voted for Howard when he came out with the “interest rates will always be lower under a Coalition govt” nonsense.
Fortunately, I have other friends who are very sympathetic towards the plight of asylum seekers and introduced me to some who I was able to help with donations of clothing and furniture. At one point I gave them a box of food too cos I was just gobsmacked with how little they could afford and how absolutely ruthless the government is in dumping them into the community with no support for finding accommodation or anything.
Many of them can’t even speak English.
And those who do want to work to support themselves are forbidden to find employment..
The PPL was not meant to get wimmen onside, in the cynical mnner you ascribe Kitty, but a heartfelt feeling that upper middle class women should also be subsidised so they don’t fall behind in the race to be rich.
The PPL scheme is middle class welfare and we can’t afford it.
We should also scrap the baby bonus, to limit unnecessary breeding.
Castration is probably the cheapest option, egg … and I think its a bit quicker than hysterectomy … think of all the fabulous Cathedral choirs we could enjoy … start with Catlik blokes I reckon … hey? 🙂
KL: ““Chicks hate Gillard.
Unthinking chicks who can’t differentiate the real tony from the phony tony that has been packaged in spin and sold to them.”
That isn’t a reason for not disliking Gillard. Even if Abbott is a dissembling semi-literate charlatan, that is no reason to give Gillard a pass.
It seems that you assume that if Abbott is bad Gillard must be good?? Either that or the “AbbottAbbottAbbott” response is so ingrained that you can no longer see the absurdity of it.
Most of the ‘progressive’ OECD countries have a PPL that looks more like Abbott’s than Gillard’s.
It’s true to characterise one as welfare and the other as paid leave.
I’m not sure about Abbott’s timing for implementation, but it is in the community interest to encourage highly paid professionals to have families.
Taxpayers are more likely to breed taxpayers, welfare recipients breed welfare recipients.
” it is in the community interest to encourage highly paid professionals to have families.”
If they are highly paid, why give the fuckers money?
It seems that you assume that if Abbott is bad Gillard must be good??
That actually works in reverse in some of the posts here, sb …
BTW, KL, is far smarter than to draw that bow … you’re interpretation is just that … 😉
In the end it will be who would make the best Australian PM … as I said earlier … I’d like to see Tony Abbott field similar questions on Q&A as well as Julia Gillard earlier this week … and …
The inevitable debates between Abbott, Gillard and the Worm …
In off the cuff performances Gillard still wallops Abbott’s stumbling, mumbling and grumbling replies …
There are as many people saying, AbbotAbbottAbbott, as there are, GillardGillardGillard …
… in fact I get some pretty dreadful cartoons of the PM … and … come to think of it none of Abbott (I admit to seeing some tho’) …
Disclaimer: I would prefer someone OTHER than either the current PM or LotO …
Because they’re time is worth more… It all makes sense if you think about.
Taxpayers are more likely to breed taxpayers, welfare recipients breed welfare recipients.
What a fkn stupid statement …
What happens to the poor little buggers after six months and Mum goes back to work? Childcare I suppose … supported by who?
Sorry … supported by whoM?
Tennis players are more likely to breed tennis players …
OR
Gays are more likely to breed gays … oh wait … 🙄
I can’t believe you actually wrote that, ToM …
That’s the harsh reality TB. Intergenerational welfare, kids that have never experienced a working parent.
…and high income earners have kids that are more likely to follow in their footsteps.
This place needs more people paying tax …for generations.
TB, the bit I quoted was classic AbbotAbbottAbbott. It made no sense – chicks hate Gillard because AbbotAbbottAbbott?????
My wife had a better answer – “women hate bitches!”
So yer wife doesn’t like Abbott, then …?
She likes him more than I do. I’m the lefty in the family.
ToM is essentially correct and its probably better not to encourage a race of bogons with cash handouts, it will come to no good.
Taxpayers are more likely to breed taxpayers, welfare recipients breed welfare recipients.
“What a fkn stupid statement …”
No it’s not.
We now have a situation whereby with the tax free threshold at close enough to $20K (basically supported by a Carbon Tax paid by those on Middle to High incomes) and a multitude of handouts on offer to all those certainly below $35K that we effectively hundreds of thousands of people/families on “gross negative taxation”
i.e. they pay zero or no tax yet drawdown on the Tax Office the balance of their week to week income stream via Centrelink. They have “no skin in the game”
Next time you visit Sydney I suggest you take a trip out to Lakemba.
P.S. Don’t take your own car
“She likes him more than I do. I’m the lefty in the family.”
Is her name Sarah and your surname Palin by any chance……..?
🙂
One of my sons brought home a young lady wearing a Sarah Palin T-shirt, which I took as a good sign, but it didn’t work out. He’s never been very good at shooting moose!
“That’s the harsh reality TB. Intergenerational welfare, kids that have never experienced a working parent.”
I’m inclined to agree.
I’ve seen plenty of evidence of intergenerational welfare when I lived in Tasmania.
These are not people who are actively looking for work. They are people who understand the welfare system intrinsically and know how to rort it.
And they exchange this information between family members to make sure they’re all getting every last dollar they can.
It’s a tragedy on so many levels, but Australia’s welfare society encourages it.
And one of the things that really shits me, is that I’ve met young Afghani asylum seekers in Hobart who are desperate to find work packing supermarket shelves, cleaning, or labouring but are forbidden to do so, while there are white trash Australians sitting on their arses refusing to do that sort of work while moaning about all these foreigners taking “their jobs.”
“……..while there are white trash Australians sitting on their arses refusing to do that sort of work while moaning about all these foreigners taking “their jobs.””
In betwen blogging at the Cafe and AIMN
I’m the lefty in the family.
😯
LOL @ TB… 🙂
We now have a situation whereby with the tax free threshold at close enough to $20K (basically supported by a Carbon Tax paid by those on Middle to High incomes) and a multitude of handouts on offer to all those certainly below $35K that we effectively hundreds of thousands of people/families on “gross negative taxation”
Ah … those no calibre bastards without higher education … now I see … I think …
… just one question, how do middle to high income earners pay Carbon Tax? (And why do you use upper case M & H for middle and high … are they speshul? Just askin’)
Eric Abetz or some sort of humanoid robot will be on the 7:30 report tonight.
It’s spelt jerbs….
If you review this list you’ll notice that the PPL scheme Abbott proposes isn’t at the top of the range
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave
I’ve listened to a range of informed women’s rights advocates speak in favour of it, an I have no doubt the ALP barrackers at the cafe and AIMN would vociferously support it if Gillard had proposed it.
Personally, I’ve decided that it is too generous to kick off with, and a modest start would be sensible. Perhaps 6 weeks at 100%, with the balance at the minimum wage. In 2 years increase it to 10 weeks etc.
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A range of OECD (and other) countries have determined that a generous PPL is in the national interest.
Increasing the balance of the population towards welfare recipients is not in the national interest.
And those who do want to work to support themselves are forbidden to find employment.
I know, that just seems stupid to me, the whole AS ‘solution’ is stupid and costly.
It seems that you assume that if Abbott is bad Gillard must be good??
Don’t know how you arrive at that. I don’t like either of them, but I am amused at the complete disconnect shown where gillard is pilloried for every single thing while abbott’s failings and dishonesty are completely overlooked.
Mal and Dennis have back up… luv it.
‘Tony Abbott is facing growing discontent among his colleagues about his $3.2 billion Direct Action plan to combat climate change.
‘Liberal MPs Mal Washer and Dennis Jensen say the Coalition should review or consider abandoning parts of the policy in the light of “dire economic circumstances”.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/lib-discontent-grows-20130509-2jau3.html#ixzz2Spl2qyNX
These people should not be given rent assistance … rental accommodation in Bourke is well within their means.
THE number of welfare recipients living in housing stress has surged by almost 10 per cent in two years.
A report to be released today by the National Welfare Rights Network also reveals that more than 157,000 people who receive government rent assistance pay more than 50 per cent of their income in rent, and that one in four unemployed people on the Newstart Allowance are in the same position.
Patricia Karvelas in the Oz
Graham Richardson makes an interesting prediction behind the paywall of the Australian
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“….When the true horror of our financial position is revealed next week, it is to be hoped that some impetus is provided to enable Abbott to walk away from his parental leave policy.
A good idea it may be, but it is not responsible to outlay billions on every good idea. Australia can’t afford it and this budget will provide the Opposition Leader the perfect opportunity to ditch a policy he knows he can’t afford.
The Gillard government got itself into all sorts of trouble by trying to pay for policies it couldn’t afford and that failure is one of the main reasons the Coalition will sweep into office.
Back with the shambles, ……… September can’t come soon enough. The election will see carnage on a scale not seen in most slaughterhouses. This week the PM conceded she had moments when she doubted herself.
At last, she shares something with most Australians…………”
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And ain’t that the Truth
Richo is gaining a lot of respect for his forthright views.
Billions saved on ditching the PPL and Direct Action … bewdiful stuff.
We can afford stuff, just depends on priorities. plenty of fat in the system. Stop worrying about the miserable sods on centrelink benefits, no-one gets rich off centrelink. Look at where the real money is going, billions in welfare for the wealthy.
off the top of my head:
tax the banking/finance sector for super profits, claw more back from the miners and stop giving them rebates.
negative gearing
baby bonus
family trusts
superannuation
first home owners grant
school kids bonus
business ‘incentives’ – plenty given out there.
andrew elder has made a good list here:
While I was reading elder, I saw that he has made many points that I agree with and have been trying to make in comments:
Playing the clown:
http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/playing-clown.html
…He’s improved since then – he is more polished and calm, less stuttery and fighty.
Perhaps, but he’s no more across the actual job of being in government, and nor is he offering any substantial alternative. Journalists should point that out, and are failing in their duty to readers/listeners/viewers in their refusal/incapacity to do so. Journalists should ask him questions, and make a Big Deal of the fact that he literally walks away from hard questions. Say what you like about Brendan Nelson, he took the job more seriously than this clown…
…Abbott talks about hopes and aspirations, and when asked about concrete policy plans, refers to his policy tome (booklet, actually – it’s 50 pages), the one he brandishes at his breast in media conferences like a medieval shield.
Our Plan: Real Solutions for All Australians contains almost nothing that qualifies as an objectively measurable promise in a year’s time, should the Coalition win government…
…For a start, every opposition that wins office inherits the conditions before it from its opponents and predecessors…
…Abbott is seeking to make excuses for not following through on his promises. An old hand like Laurie Oakes would have pointed that out,..
…Don’t give us this crap…
…The ultimate in ‘letting Tony be Tony’ comes from this clown:
Tony Abbott is … feeling pretty chuffed about putting in a decent performance on the ABC’s 7.30 program last Wednesday. He was on message, disciplined and, as usual, pretty light with details…
…Fancy a journalist actually praising a politician for being “on message” and “light with details”.
This is a shit article and Preston Towers dispatches it admirably
“……….claw more back from the miners and stop giving them rebates.”
Yes………..Yes………………Let’s make this an even more expensive place to operate in.
Olympic Dam………….BHP………………….Gone
Browse Basin……………Woodside……….Gone
There’s plenty more
Yes………..Yes………………Let’s make this an even more expensive place to operate in.
Poor hard done by miners, they just aren’t getting enough profits are they? They so need more assistance from generous taxpayers!
KL: tax the banking/finance sector for super profits, claw more back from the miners and stop giving them rebates.
negative gearing
baby bonus
family trusts
superannuation
first home owners grant
school kids bonus
business ‘incentives’ – plenty given out there.
We should definitely look at the banks. The big four form an oligopoly and they are hugely profitable. The way it works at the moment is that customers pay fees and interest well above the cost to the banks. Bank executives are among the highest paid in the country. Bank shareholders receive large franked dividends. The losers are people who need to borrow and the winners are bank executives and those who have sufficient capital to invest in bank shares. Given that most super funds are heavily invested in bank shares, many workers will ultimately benefit from bank super profits after the fund mangers have taken their cut (- fund managers being the most vile, greedy and avaricious parasites on the planet. They should definitely be subject to a personal super profits tax, or at the very least, should only be eligible for bonuses based on performance over the long term, say ten years.)
One of the roles of government is to ensure an efficient market. The bank oligopoly means that that market is neither a free nor fair market. Governments have tried unsuccessfully to promote more competition in the banking sector. Sadly they have also allowed the takeover of smaller banks by the big four.
There is plenty of room for a super profits tax on banks.
Negative gearing coupled with discount CGT is poison for home-owners. Normally a government would be too scared of the electoral consequences to change this. But given Labor knows it is doomed, it might summon the courage to address this issue amongst all the other scorched-earth policies it is implementing.
The baby bonus is unnecessary if there is a PPL scheme.
Family trusts are another tax lurk for the well-advised and should be taxed as companies.
Superannuation should be beneficial up to a point, but the tax benefits should only apply to sufficient income to fund an adequate but not lavish retirement.
First home-owners grant is worthwhile.
School kids bonus is wasteful and should go.
Business incentives should be looked at on a case by case basis and with a jaundiced eye. If some are to be retained, there may be a case for repayment if the business is successful.
Well said SB
And if our kids have to pay back a HECS debt for the hope of gaining a career, why shouldn’t sporting stars pay back the govt assistance given for years of elite training once they have made millions from their craft and their spruiking for sponsors?
“Poor hard done by miners, they just aren’t getting enough profits are they? ”
Not to justify the risk. That’s why massive projects are being shelved here. There are plenty of sources of copper and iron ore and bauxite etc in the World not to mention gas.
And perhaps if you took your blinkers off for a change you’d realise that not all mining profits are derived from Australia. BHP and Rio are international companies with interests all over the world.
And if you cant get your head around that bit consider this. BHP’s share price (somewhat down for quite some time now) at this very moment is $34.88. It paid a fully franked cash dividend of $1.10 in the last 12 months equating to 4.5% if you own a share. Its after tax earnings before dividends paid was $3.15 for the full year.
The total profit is in the billions but not that great when you actually break it down. People buy BHP for growth. You’d be an idiot to buy it for a good dividend yield today.
“Its after tax earnings before dividends paid was $3.15 for the full year.”
Meaning on a per share basis
“There is plenty of room for a super profits tax on banks.”
I disagree and I posted on that exact subject yesterday in response to a comment made by Egg
I think the Banks need restructuring as well. I’ve been harping on this for sometime that they need to separate themselves from their investment divisions where they take on the risk.
Most people hate the Banks because they confuse the Bank profit with the obscene size of executive bonuses.
gag, retch
http://support.ipa.org.au/
Are gina, bernardi’s mobsters and australia’s finest failing in their duty to fund the right wing propaganda machine? Where’s rupert when you need him?
that’s our tones, every which way but loose!
One day he says this, the next that, but not a word from anyone in criticism of his inconsistencies, backdowns and runaways!
https://twitter.com/awelder/status/332683875081916417
‘Climate Change Minister Greg Combet told National Times Breaking Politics on Friday that Liberal MPs ”know as well as anyone else knows that the Coalition’s so-called Direct Action policy won’t work”.
”The policy is a joke,” Mr Combet said. ”It’s just a figleaf for Tony Abbott to say he’s got a policy.”
Hear Hear ….
UK MP hits out at ‘Australian huckster’ Crosby:
“I put it to the House that it is no coincidence that a man who made his money fighting plain packaging in Australia, for considerable sums of money, he turns up as the Conservative Party’s chief political strategist and suddenly they drop their commitment to plain packaging,” she said…
…”Lynton Crosby comes in as chief political adviser and the commitment to minimum price for alcohol disappears again to the detriment of the health of thousands of our people going forward…
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/uk-mp-hits-out-at-australian-huckster-crosby-20130510-2jbg2.html#ixzz2SrGdrGQb
“I think the Banks need restructuring as well. I’ve been harping on this for sometime that they need to separate themselves from their investment divisions where they take on the risk.
Most people hate the Banks because they confuse the Bank profit with the obscene size of executive bonuses.”
I’m less concerned about the executive bonuses and more about the obscene profits made by the banks.
I agree about the structural separation.
I don’t have a problem with taxing super profits generated by monopolistic behaviour. It would be better if the oligopoly did not exist, but not much can be done about that. I would like to see the criminalisation of anti-competitive behaviour, with directors of monopolists facing gaol time. Short of that a tax on super-profits seems fair. After all those super profits represent what is in effect a tax imposed by oligopolists rather than efficient business practices.
So what is the definition of a Super Profit…………………anything with more than 2 commas ?
I see, Wally’s, out and about “protecting” his investment portfolio, guffaw! 🙂
If you got out of your ivory tower once in a while you’d know that China’s demand has dropped for our dirt … the EU is one step away from stepping over the precipice into a depression … the USA is struggling away … and guess what, Australia plays in the Global Economic Sandpit …
Nothing changes in politics … one thing I noticed in my travels is that what was being “brought” in by pollies in the USA or Europe or the UK was being attempted here! There IS a PLAN … but its coming from any Western governments!
http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/38582
but its NOT coming from any Western governments!
Bunch of puppets … I’d like to know just who the puppet masters are …
‘China’s demand has dropped for our dirt …’
The boom is over and the sooner we move away from a two tier economy the better. It was distorting the market.
The Japanese are printing money and spending it ‘offshore’, like China Inc. across the way…whose new CEO is encouraging the locals to spend abroad. Spread the wealth or risk a bubble.
“If you got out of your ivory tower once in a while you’d know that China’s demand has dropped for our dirt … the EU is one step away from stepping over the precipice into a depression … the USA is struggling away………..”
China is a temporary slowdown induced by a self imposed credit squeeze last year to rein in property prices………………..the EU has been fucked for years..(someone simply got off their fat arse and finally collected some stats and read them and became depressed about it )………….and the USA will struggle slowly out of its problems.
In Australia we have a fiscal and monetary crisis self imposed by the grubbiest and most incompetent and corupt bunch of morons in the history of our Federation.
The conservatives used to hold up Whitlam as their example of Labor incompetence but now there is a new kid on the block.
I give you Prime Minister Julia Lying Grub Gillard
I’m not defending anyone.
It’s just that the figures do not support the claim that the Banks make Super Profits (whatever that magical figure is)
So what’s a Super Profit ?
“The boom is over and the sooner we move away from a two tier economy the better. It was distorting the market.”
Who told you that. It sounds like your playing cover for the ALP trying to give an excuse for the budget deficits. Commodity prices are still high. Much higher than when Costello was in power.
http://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/frequency/commodity-prices/2013/icp-0413.html
Over at the Cafe they tell me from 2004-2007 rivers of gold flowed into Costello’s coffers. However in 2008 miners started purchasing large amounts of equipment which they could depreciate meaning that from 2008 the govt was not getting the revenue that Costello was getting.
Whatever.
It should be noted one more time that the boom started in 2004. Costello was balancing budgets well before the boom started.
Nice graph Nils and this…
‘The largest contributors to the decline in April were falls in the prices of gold, crude oil and thermal coal. The prices of base metals and many rural commodities also declined, while the price of iron ore increased in the month.’
It has a deflationary feel about it, but are you saying the boom is not over?
‘Who told you that. It sounds like your playing cover for the ALP trying to give an excuse for the budget deficits.’
I can’t remember a more incompetent government, spending money as if the boom would go on forever.
Much higher than when Costello was in power.
And Tip Custard was frightened of his own shadow …
Yeah, nice graph, Kneel, I’ll show my son in law (he works in the industry BTW) the he was telling me today that 10,000 mining engineering specialists are now out of work, they’ll be pleased to know that … should his project engineering company stop laying of staff too? And put him back on to five days a week?
The mining boom is not over … its just waiting for the Chinese dragon to awake … and for the Europeans to figure out how to get the money back off the Robber Barons … best of luck with that …
in fact the more I read and the more I hear … I’m beginning to seriously think that our banks are the ones holding back this economy … after watching what the rest of the world are doing …
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After hours studying the Australian Consumer Laws today … I stumble over the paragraph that exempts insurance contracts from the ACL (they come under the Insurance Contracts Act 1984! And it looks like courts can’t challenge contracts!) … the Federal government has been considering a change since April 2010!!!
No wonder the pricks have been so cocky! I start on the Insurance Act on Sunday!
I just hope the Financial Ombudsman Service has some balls!
Transitioning ….. but with a high Australian dollar this won’t be an easy task.
‘The RBA has now cut interest rates seven times since late 2011 to spur growth in areas of the economy outside of mining like manufacturing, retail activity and housing construction. It said the process of transitioning the economy away from its heavy reliance on mining was still underway but many uncertainties surround it. Mining alone contributes close to 20 per cent of Australia’s national output.’
Adam Creighton in the Oz
‘its just waiting for the Chinese dragon to awake …’
They have also been caught short with the boom and bust cycle of international capitalism and its clearly illustrated with the behaviour of China Railway. They are in deep trouble and are issuing bonds for the first time … what a novel idea.
“The company has too many projects going, and they all need money, and now it’s the second month of the second quarter, but the company has not taken any financing measures,” an insider said. “If we don’t issue the bonds immediately, cash flow will soon be depleted.”
China Daily
Terms of Trade are still much higher than when Costello was in power.
http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/images/15-commodity-prices/15br-tot-small.gif?accessed=2013-05-10-20-18-45
People at the Cafe say that Labor is not getting the revenue from mining that Costello got because all a a sudden from 2008 companies started claiming depreciation costs for the equipment they were purchasing.
And after the drought broke I don’t know, make something up. Commodity prices are still high, terms of trade are better than for a long time but Swan is not getting any money from this according to the Cafe.
The RBA agrees with you Nils.
‘The boom in Australia’s mining investment is near its peak, though it will remain at very high levels for the next year or so.’
AAP
Swan has no excuse, its his mismanagement which has created a black hole.
“I’m just waiting for the Chinese Drag Queen to awake..”
Although I probably shouldn’t refer to my partner like that….
Neil – ”People at the Café say…”
Any sentence with starts with that, might as well continue with …” Abbott Abbott Abbott Abbott… bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit, HOWARDCOSTELLO HOWARDCOSTELLO HOWARDCOSTELLO HOWARDCOSTELLO HOWARDCOSTELLO HOWARDCOSTELLO HOWARDCOSTELLO bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit”
“in fact the more I read and the more I hear … I’m beginning to seriously think that our banks are the ones holding back this economy … after watching what the rest of the world are doing …”
I agree
Credit for small business is ridiculously hard to obtain. And if they can its not cheap.
“People at the Cafe say that Labor is not getting the revenue from mining that Costello got because all a a sudden from 2008 companies started claiming depreciation costs for the equipment they were purchasing.”
Absolute fucking bullshit from the usual brain dead oedipus complex obsessed and blue rinse warm Leftoid corpses that inhabit the joint.
The big 3 being BHP. Rio and Xstrata were allowed to revalue decade old assets like ports and railways etc and then depreciate them again for the purposes of reducing their liability. That’s Wayne’s idea by the way. That was after the Rudd overthrow.
Seriously they are just such total brain dead fuckwits over there I don’t know why anyone bothers to comment . Look in but don’t feed the festering parasites.
They are good for comedy that’s all.
Do any of that cluster of intellectual cow patties have jobs ?
I’m now pretty sure Richo is right.
Christopher Pyne on Lateline tonight fudged PPL by talking about ” next Tuesday we have a Budget” blah blah blah
Abbott will walk away from it.
‘Credit for small business is ridiculously hard to obtain. And if they can its not cheap.’
I’ll vouch for that.
‘Four months from polling day, Labor MPs fear the ALP is losing rusted-on migrant voters, with the opposition to spend a record sum of money targeting ethnic media and specific migrant communities.’
Steve Lewis in the Daily Terror
The RBA says household debt is responsible for our malaise, not the government. I don’t understand.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3756875.htm