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May 10, 2013

morals

Welcome to our end of the week open discussion thread!

The other day, I was thinking about how old fashioned and out of date the Bible is, and figured that it could do with some updating.  So I thought I’d lend a hand and write “The new NEW contemporary Bible for Modern Living -Archbishop reb Edition.”

Christians everywhere will be thrilled.  No don’t thank me..

THE BIBLE – BASED ON ACTUAL FACTS

One day there was a nice garden called Eden.

There was a lonely guy called Adam who lived there.  He was very lonely cos he was the only person who lived there and he was all by himself. No one knew how he got there, because there was no one else to know. Let alone himself.

Adam spent his days frolicking in the nud, checking Facebook and occasionally watching reality TV shows. But after a while this all became a bit boring and monotonous. One day he became exasperated at the futility of his situation and cried out in desperation “WTF am I meant to do now?”

All of a sudden a loud voice boomed from the sky “Adam, my son, what seems to be the problem?”

Well, Adam said to the Sky Fairy, “There’s not much to do around here. The garden is nice and everything, but sometimes I wish I had a flat screen, cable TV, and a root. I could really do with a root.”

Fear not, said the Sky Fairy, “I will sort out all that shit for you. But there is one condition, you will need to sacrifice a rib.”

Adam thought about this for a second, and then thought “Fuck it, why not..”

Suddenly there was a flash of lightning, and low before him appeared a 55” Samsung Plasma television, a magazine subscription and Rupert Murdoch.

Gasp! He said, “The old codger looks like a bit of a dud root, but you’ve certainly come through with the goods on the TV Front.”

Suddenly a talking snake wandered past and said to Adam, “you can watch any channel you like but if you are watch The Voice, your life will never be the same again. You will be forever blemished and will never be able to enjoy your life ever again.”

So after a few months of watching House Husbands, Packed to The Rafters and Home and Away, Adam began to wonder what he was really missing out on.

He remembered what the talking snake told him, but thought “fuck it” and tuned in to The Voice.

Almost as soon as Delta Goodrem flashed on the screen in front of him he screamed in agony “My Eyes! My Eyes!!” And once she began singing and dancing “My Ears! My Ears!”

Suddenly the snake appeared, and said “I warned you about this” and killed Adam instantly.

THE END

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477 Comments
  1. egg permalink
    May 10, 2013 4:51 pm

    Having a long run up to the election has been hugely beneficial, coupled with an economic slow down and a black hole the ‘government in waiting’ is having a debate over policy.

    This is novel.

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2013 5:03 pm

    “What if I told you….”

    I’d say you are completely mad. Morals are precisely the thing you use to judge other people. The last thing you do is to apply them to yourself!

  3. egg permalink
    May 10, 2013 6:28 pm

    The biblical flood was written up by scholars, after receiving it through oral history. The story originated around the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/12/12/archaeologist-claims-evidence-noahs-biblical-flood/#ixzz2SsNQ938L

    Anthropologists have also discovered it was a universal phenomenon.

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2013 6:43 pm

    I really like the idea of turning water into wine, though I wonder about the quality.

    I can’t imagine it being a good full bodied shiraz. It would probably just be riesling or rose.

    I’m about to turn wine (shiraz) into a mood enhancer.

  5. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 10, 2013 6:50 pm

    “I’m about to turn wine (shiraz) into a mood enhancer.”

    Seeing eye dogs only drink water

  6. Tom of Melobourne permalink
    May 10, 2013 10:31 pm

    Wayne Swan has vowed to return the federal budget to surplus within four years, with his government poised to announce further deep cuts to spending.

    How amusing! Swan promises a surplus in 4 years!!!!!

    He’ll also say – You can bleive me this time!

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/swan-talks-up-future-surplus-20130510-2jdoj.html#ixzz2StNMxZmy

  7. egg permalink
    May 11, 2013 12:13 pm

    Away from politics for a second….

    ‘He’s not aggressive at all, but it may be too much to expose them to each other in a year’s time.’ However, Rishi’s carers say he is already a whizz at the computer – so Emily hopes to keep in touch via webcam.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322801/Emily-Bland-6-best-friend-Rishi-orangutan-forced-say-goodbye.html#ixzz2Swi0UV7E
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  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2013 1:08 pm

    An article that TB might like from a favourite ex-journos [fearless truthseeker and won’t sell out for career/cash]

    http://australiansforhonestpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-liberal-partys-war-on-freedoms-my-reply-to-brandis/

  9. Tom of Melobourne permalink
    May 11, 2013 1:10 pm

    FORMER Parliamentary Speaker and ex-Liberal MP-turned independent Peter Slipper has joined billionaire Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party.
    Mr Palmer today confirmed Mr Slipper had applied to become a member of the Party – and his application had been accepted.

    Isn’t that entertaining!!

    All the Gillard barrackers who were defending this sleaze can now live with the fact that he’s a shyster who will align himself with any other shyster.

    Yet more evidence of Gillard’s standards and judgment.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/peter-slipper-joins-clive-palmers-united-australia-party/story-e6frfkp9-1226639861716#ixzz2SwwLBn1e

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2013 1:56 pm

    You’re being a bit disingenuous tomM. Not sure anyone was defending slipper on the basis of any proved wrongdoing/rorting or any proved sexual abuse allegations. I defend him on the basis of his right to privacy and the disgusting and sleazy, politically motivated use and abuse of the court system to attack political opponents.

    Do you defend ashby and his alleged entrapment?

    Who is funding ashby do you think?

    I would hate to see nothing done about brough’s receipt of stolen goods, allowing him to resume a career through illegal activities.

    Do you defend the libs/qld lnp actions in their conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected government through innuendo, sleaze and inducement?

    http://marshallchambers.weebly.com/1/post/2013/02/criminal-law-mal-brough-and-ashbygate.html

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2013 2:52 pm

    AO –

    • Ashby may have set Slipper up.

    • Gillard was counselled by her colleagues not to appoint Slipper, but she chose to do this as she needed the extra number after breaking her written word to Wilkie.

    • Ashby may be unethical but he isn’t in parliament.

    • Gillard has proven to be untrustworthy and she is Prime Minister.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2013 4:32 pm

    “How amusing! Swan promises a surplus in 4 years!!!!!”

    This time he is sincere – he is going to deliver it by losing the next election

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 4:35 pm

    Ashby may be unethical but he isn’t in parliament.

    And should be charged with conspiracy/trason … the little turd will soon spil the beans on Brough, Pwhine, Abbott & Co … then they should be charged and the lot left to rot …

    As for Slipper … Clivey may have made his second big political blunder …

    Off to read, KL’s link … I shall return …

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 4:37 pm

    Note: “Trason” is committed by someone who is not actually a parliamentarian but closely asssociated parliamentarians and others are charged with “treason” … 😉

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2013 4:47 pm

    “fearless truthseeker and won’t sell out for career/cash”

    That blathering mediocrity has failed to make it as a media superstar not because “the fundamentalist Zionist lobby controls politics and the media in the US and Australia” but rather because she publishes rubbish like that statement.

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2013 5:25 pm

    “And should be charged with conspiracy/trason … the little turd will soon spil the beans on Brough, Pwhine, Abbott & Co”

    I hope so.. But if it is proved that what you wish to be true is not true will you apologise ?? I doubt it.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:02 pm

    I doubt it.

    Little do you know me, Kneel …

    As for the link, KL, thanks … it seems the canker that has grown on the right side of the ALP … is even greater on the right side of the LibNits …

    had no idea Menzies was so “reasonable” … maybe is was his kow towing to The Firm … speaking of … I see The Republican Movement is reviving itself again … is it really almost 14 years since the Referendum?

    Question begs – why now a few weeks away from a critical Federal Election?

  18. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:11 pm

    conspiracy to overthrow a democratically elected government through innuendo, sleaze and inducement?

    I’m not sure the Government was actually elected based on the voters in Slipper’s electorate, so I’d suggest your characterisation of whatever went on might be a little extreme.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:33 pm

    … so I’d suggest your characterisation of whatever went on might be a little extreme.

    You miss the point … this government is a minority government reliant on numbers … Brough’s plan, assisted by Pyne and using Ashby’s insider knowledge was to eliminate his political rival now the the Speaker (who has the casting vote) in one hit …

    … and for your hero to deny any knowledge is laughable to say the least … if Abbott didn’t know then he is incompetent … if he did know then he is culpable …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pyne’s performance on, Lateline, last night should have embarrased any Liberal supporter … no better then he was/is … a member of, John Howard & The Private School Bullies …

    … as I have posted before, it fascinates me how people who lie, steal, cheat and even attempt to hijack current affairs programs accuse their victims of doing exactly what they are doing …

    The worst performance by, Emma Alberici, I’ve seen … obviously a covert “bluecoat” don’t tell me that the ABC is ALL ALP …

    http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/38548

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:34 pm

    CORRECTION

    … eliminate his political rival THEN the the Speaker

  21. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 11, 2013 6:41 pm

    Re – Kittylitter’s link……

    Ross Bowler is full of shit on three counts.

    1. Is the property “tainted”? Probably not. Ashby probably had free access to Slipper’s diary therefore pages copied from it are unlikely to be regarded as “stolen” or “tainted”.

    2. Receiving “tainted” property does not carry the meaning that Bowler suggests, otherwise there’d be perfectly innocent people being jailed for 7 years all the time. You do actually need to be complicit in some way with the theft. I wouldn’t be game to ever shop on Ebay if the law were as literal as that.

    3. Where Bowler accuses Brough of not answering a question, the question is not what Bowler represents. That is the background to the question. The question was whether his actions went beyond just giving advice. Brough’s answer was that his advice was to seek legal advice and to go to the police.

    If someone comes to me seeking advice re the commission of a crime, I’d certainly ask for all the facts before giving the advice. And that’s all he did, despite Rares J’s “inferences”.

    Oh, and Slipper has been charged with criminal offences over the use of the Cabcharges.

    The attempts to try to make out as though this is anything close to the ACTUAL fraud perpetrated by the ACTUAL Prime Minister is laughable.

  22. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 11, 2013 7:07 pm

    Alberici “covert Liberal”. GMAFB. It was a difficult interview for her but her only error was in not allowing for a response by Pyne to something Bradbury said.

    Pyne is certainly not charismatic, and I think he’s horrible on TV, but he made some good points.

    The thrust of it, as you have said many times, is that the can has been kicked down the road so many times and now the cliff is coming. And instead of a surplus budget which could have cushioned what will be an almighty fall, we have a massive deficit, which will be of crisis size if the mining boom stops any time soon.

    It’s your preferred party that have squandered the “good times”. And even Alberici is sick and tired of trying to defend them.

    Not sure when Pyne has “lied, stolen, or cheated” but his performance on that show was certainly pretty ordinary. I’m not sure how Alberici could have changed that. And he was no worse than Bradbury.

  23. egg permalink
    May 11, 2013 7:23 pm

    Emma lost control, but that’s no big deal when you are dealing with a couple of political bullies.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 7:36 pm

    It’s your preferred party that have squandered the “good times”. And even Alberici is sick and tired of trying to defend them.

    You obviously don’t read my post of late … didn’t know you knew, Emma ..

    As for Pyne … not only did he have the lion’s share of the opening, he constantly interrupted no only Bradbury AND Ms Alberici but insisted on making up his own questions FFS!

    Pyne came across as an arrogant toolfool … Bradbury as defending the indefensible … Alberici’s big mistake was allowing Pyne so much “room” at the beginning of the show … he then thought he had earned it … somehow …

    I didn’t accuse Pyne of lying, stealing or cheating – I’ve used the analogy before (although I suspect he’d be guilty of at least one) … I was making the point that he had been given the lion’s share of the opening two questions and then accused Bradbury of having more air time … what a dork …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Emma lost control, but that’s no big deal when you are dealing with a couple of political bullies.

    Sorry, egg, there was only one bully in that interview and he came across hard and strong …

    The proff is in the link … and in fact I like Emma Alberici as an interviewer its just that she came across (because of allowing Pyne so much time … forgive the rhyme 😆 )

    Pyne was not there to discuss anything, he was there to disrupt everything!

    Obvious to anyone with half a brain …

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2013 7:39 pm

    The attempts to try to make out as though this is anything close to the ACTUAL fraud perpetrated by the ACTUAL Prime Minister is laughable.

    And at the end of your post that sentence is laughable … and I have no time for any of ’em …

    You have proof of fraud? Does anyone?

  26. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 11, 2013 8:06 pm

    Bradbury spoke for 310 clear seconds and was interrupted by Pyne on 3 occasions.

    Pyne spoke for 300 clear seconds and was interrupted by Bradbury on 5 occasions.

    I didn’t count time they were speaking over the top of each other nor when Alberici was speaking.

    TB, your bias is shining through.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2013 1:08 am

    Gillard was counselled by her colleagues not to appoint Slipper, but she chose to do this as she needed the extra number after breaking her written word to Wilkie.

    so what? it’s all politics. Gillard didn’t know about the ashby allegations, so no point trying to lay blame on her for slipper. Slipper was already in parliament, it’s not as if she has recruited him, she used him for for her own political expediency – as abbott would have done in a heartbeat, after all, the libs knew all about him for years and kept on endorsing him. They didn’t mind the supposed sleazebag until they wanted to parachute brough into the electorate [another purely political move].

    …I’m not sure the Government was actually elected based on the voters in Slipper’s electorate, so I’d suggest your characterisation of whatever went on might be a little extreme…

    …You miss the point …

    …as always!
    A legal training is meant to create rational, logical thought processes and an enquiring mind with incisive reasoning. Dunno how james manages to get it so wrong, so weirdly out of balance and skewed!

    The attempts to try to make out as though this is anything close to the ACTUAL fraud perpetrated by the ACTUAL Prime Minister is laughable.

    What actual, proved fraud is that?

    Is the property “tainted”? Probably not. Ashby probably had free access to Slipper’s diary therefore pages copied from it are unlikely to be regarded as “stolen” or “tainted”.

    probably yes
    slipper gave no permission for the contents to be copied or given to anyone. Ashby would not have been allowed to even discuss the contents without permission. Ashby may have had access to the diary for work purposes, but he would not have been allowed to copy and/or disseminate the legally protected contents.

    Brough is on record as asking ashby to email the contents to him because he couldn’t read the pages already sent to him.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/alp-calls-police-on-mal-brough-scandal/story-e6freuy9-1226542407719

  28. egg permalink
    May 12, 2013 7:27 am

    ‘who howl for the ABC to be broken up and sold off. This is deeply stupid.’

    No, it makes good economic sense. I know for a fact that the Red Chinese are looking to buy into media here and the US.

  29. egg permalink
    May 12, 2013 7:38 am

    The stench…

    ‘On Saturday, the UAP, which was formed two weeks ago, released a statement announcing that Mr Slipper had joined the party ranks.

    ‘Less than five hours later the UAP published a one sentence statement on its website announcing that Mr Slipper’s membership had been revoked.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-denies-claims-he-got-the-boot-from-palmers-party-20130511-2jfam.html#ixzz2T1S5vuUr

  30. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 12, 2013 7:50 am

    Interesting that Kittylitter is linking a Mike Carlton piece today. I’ll assume she hasn’t heard.

  31. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 12, 2013 8:30 am

    What actual, proved fraud is that?

    Well, firstly it’s odd that the proof standard seems to be far higher when talking about the PM than when talking about “Ashbygate”.

    The AWUWRA was not a legitimate incorporated association. Fraud number 1.

    The members of the AWUWRA received money intended by the payers for other purposes. Fraud number 2.

    The deposit paid on a certain house was paid by AWUWRA but registered on the Slater & Gordon Trust Account ledger as being paid by R Blewitt. Fraud number 3.

    It was done under the authority of a Power of Attorney witnessed by Julia Gillard in the absence of its donor (according to the donor). Fraud number 4.

    It takes a special, almost insulting, absence of respect for Julia Gillard’s intelligence to accept that this all just happened around her and she didn’t know.

  32. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 12, 2013 8:58 am

    The Queensland legislation……

    What is the special protection given for public interest disclosures
    (Pt 5)?
    11.(1) Under Part 5, Division 2, a person is declared not to be liable,
    civilly, criminally or under an administrative process, for making a public
    interest disclosure.
    (2) Under Part 5, Divisions 3 to 5, causing or attempting or conspiring to
    cause “detriment” to any person because of a public interest disclosure is
    declared to be a “reprisal” and unlawful, both under the civil law of tort
    and the criminal law.
    s 12 11
    Whistleblowers Protection
    s 12
    No. 68, 1994
    (3) Under Part 5, Division 6—
    (a) public sector entities must establish reasonable procedures to
    protect their officers from reprisals; and
    (b) public officers with existing rights to appeal against, or to apply
    for a review of, disciplinary action, appointments, transfers or
    unfair treatment are permitted to use these rights against reprisals;
    and
    (c) officers of the public service and departmental employees are
    given the additional right to appeal to the Commissioner for
    Public Sector Equity to be relocated to remove the danger of
    reprisals.
    (4) Under Part 5, Division 7, the Industrial Commission, or, if the
    Industrial Commission does not have jurisdiction, the Supreme Court, may
    grant injunctions against reprisals.
    ˙General sections (Pt 6)
    12.(1) Part 6 provides for certain offences and the criminal proceedings
    about the offences.
    (2) The Part makes it an offence—
    (a) for a public officer to record or disclose certain confidential
    information gained through involvement in this Act’s
    administration other than under certain circumstances including,
    for example, the investigation under an Act of information
    disclosed under a public interest disclosure; and
    (b) for a person intentionally to give false or misleading information
    as a public interest disclosure or in subsequent inquiries into the
    person’s disclosure.
    (3) The Part also declares that a public officer who commits one of these
    offences or the offence of reprisal is guilty of misconduct under any Act
    under which the officer may be dismissed or disciplined for misconduct.

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2013 11:07 am

    Oh, so if anyone leaks anything politically motivated on behalf of the liberal party they are declared a whistleblower. If anyone leaks politically against the liberal party they are a criminal to be prosecuted in the courts – got it!

  34. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 12, 2013 1:12 pm

    No. If they leak information about misconduct of a public official they are protected.

    As they should be given the Left’s history of destroying those who leak against them.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2013 1:13 pm

    If anyone leaks politically against the liberal party they are a criminal to be prosecuted in the courts – got it!

    And I know whose bias is showing …*

    (desperation when you start counting seconds in a TV interview … and then ignore the talk over … LOL!)

    I’ll be watching both sides, James, dont you worry ’bout that … (to quote another lop sided right wing despot) …

  36. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 12, 2013 1:25 pm

    Your complaints were about the length of time available to each interviewee and the number of interruptions. I absolutely guarantee if I measure the “talkovers” Bradbury was far worse.

    I guess it is kind of desperate, but I have an assignment due so you must understand I’m doing everything in my power to find other tasks. Additionally, you made a statement which I knew to be false so I set out and proved it. YOU are the one demanding that I, as a “budding lawyer” substantiate what I write, something you never demand of others, especially Kittylitter who seems to be able to post any old conspiratorial bullshit without challenge. Yet when I do substantiate, you call me desperate. Make up your mind.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2013 2:01 pm

    I guess it is kind of desperate, but I have an assignment due so you must understand I’m doing everything in my power to find other tasks

    Counting seconds! Wow!

    But by your own admission you weren’t accurate … you didn’t account for Pyne’s trying to take control of the whol interview by talking over everyone – including himself …

    Even if you had been correct … by … 10 fkn seconds! 😯
    And by what method did you reach this conclusion … one hippopotamus, two hippopotamus, three …… 🙄

    … as for your comments re KL … when I disagree with KL, you’ll know about it (and it has happened) … why you expect me to support nonsense I’ve no idea … must be that blue blood mentality …

    … anyone watching the Lateline link I provided would have trouble saying what a noice gentleman Pyne must be to take home for dinner … but decide to defend the arrogant prick … not my concern …

    Better get on with the assignment … something I do sincerely empathise with BTW … 😉

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2013 2:05 pm

    BTW James … your obsession with the seconds is a classic “look over there” to my criticism of Pyne’s “performance” …

    People who accuse others of the things they do …

  39. egg permalink
    May 12, 2013 2:41 pm

    Pyne tried to re-direct the conversation away from Emma’s question, he’s a seasoned performer.

    I still don’t know the answer … politicians are pathetic.

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2013 2:49 pm

    Hear! Hear! egg …

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2013 3:28 pm

    With the budget about 2 weeks away the taxpayer funded Insiders on ABC this morning was all about the Opposition.

  42. egg permalink
    May 12, 2013 3:51 pm

    That’s alright Nils, they are the government in waiting. Let’s see what they intend doing.

  43. egg permalink
    May 12, 2013 5:07 pm

    The people have factored in a Coalition win and we are interested in what they have in mind.

    “Unprecedented” interest in the Coalition’s budget plan has forced an upcoming address by shadow treasurer Joe Hockey to be moved from the National Press Club of Australia to the Great Hall of Parliament House.’

    Fin Review

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2013 5:18 pm

    You know that is really strange. Swan is about to give his budget but no-one cares. But there is “unprecedented interest” in what Joe Hockey has to say.

    Are leftoid blogs covering Swans’ budget??

  45. egg permalink
    May 12, 2013 5:29 pm

    ‘Are leftoid blogs covering Swans’ budget??’

    Its a slash and burn budget, the rusted ons won’t be happy but they’ll put on a brave face.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2013 5:31 pm

    ALP barrackers prefer to excuse Swan for his stupid dishonesty. They then repeat the nonsense about “our debt being like someone with an income of $100000 and a $10,000 mortgage”.

    Watch the ignoramuses trot that our regularly over the nest few days.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2013 6:01 pm

    Watch the ignoramuses trot that our regularly over the nest few days.

    Wot are you drinking, ToM? 😆

    We also want to know (as, egg, rightly pointed out) what the incoming clowns are going to do … we've seen the comedy club … but we want a program for the circus before we pay up …

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2013 6:48 pm

    “We also want to know (as, egg, rightly pointed out) what the incoming clowns are going to do”

    Trouble is it has been like that for the last 5 years.

    It was the same on Dunlops blog. Total scrutiny of the Howard govt but no information about what Rudd would be like even though there was evidence about what he was like from his time in Queensland where he was known as Dr Death.

    I think Labor supporters have a fascination about the Coalition.

  49. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 12, 2013 9:23 pm

    Could the reblogmaster possibly do a Special Budget night drinking game

    I nominate

    “The road to surplus”
    “Tough decisions”
    “Revenue writedown” ……..whatever that is
    “Efficiency dividend”

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 12, 2013 9:29 pm

    I think i will drink half a can of beer every time Labor loses a seat. Hopefully i will be drunk by 9.00PM.

  51. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 12, 2013 9:45 pm

    TB, you said this…..

    As for Pyne … not only did he have the lion’s share of the opening, he constantly interrupted no only Bradbury AND Ms Alberici but insisted on making up his own questions FFS!

    I simply showed you were wrong. He didn’t have the lion’s share of the opening, indeed Bradbury spoke for a full minute before Pyne did. He interrupted Bradbury three times, Bradbury interrupted Pyne five times. He didn’t make up his own questions, he insisted on rebutting a point made by Bradbury, which is standard in such an interview.

    You are wrong, TB, it’s as simple as that.

  52. May 13, 2013 12:44 am

    Sometimes, you are a captive to your prism, snacty. Not clinical at all…

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 8:47 am

    Is there a drinking game during the budget speech?

    *Surplus in 4 years
    *Sledgehammer to revenue
    *When the circumstances change..etc
    *It’s a budget for jobs

    Mind you, I always think Wayne has been playing a drinking game. He always sounds pissed.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:00 am

    Me I am waiting for election night. Hopefully the result will be known by 9.00PM.

    Poor old Swan has been wrong too many times. Even if he says some truth on budget night it will not matter. His reputation is in tatters.

  55. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:14 am

    Toilet, I simply measured the veracity of TB’s contention and found it false.

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:33 am

    I see walrus already proposed a drinking game. I’m typically slow off the mark.

    I blame mothers day, I’m such a fan of the mums around here.

  57. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:38 am

    “I see walrus already proposed a drinking game.”

    Yes ToM, I think Swanees budget speech should be treated with the seriousness and respect that he has earnt.

    I do hope he opens his speech with the words you suggested a few weks ago

    “I resign”

  58. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:43 am

    “Hopefully the result will be known by 9.00PM.”

    I give it until 7:00pm as NSW, Victoria and Queensland will still be in the same time zones until early October unlike 2007.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:57 am

    There are plenty of incompetent CEOs around. Big talkers, who don’t know how to deliver, it can take a board a few years to discover they’ve promoted a big talker rather than a real leader.

    That is where Swan is.

    He’s taken a strong economy and made it weaker, and on every major matter of economic forecast or judgement, he’s been wrong.

    Swan is clearly dumb and out of his depth, that’s been evident for years, but now there’s proof.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 10:28 am

    Toilet, I simply measured the veracity of TB’s contention and found it false.

    Mate, you sound desperate for some sort of “win” …

    My “contention” was …

    Pyne was a prat … period … anyone watching the link would tell you that … actually he came across as an arrogant, disruptive, Fuckwit™ … how many times he was a prat is quite irrelevant …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Big talkers, who don’t know how to deliver, it can take a board a few years to discover they’ve promoted a big talker rather than a real leader … That is where Swan is.

    That is a really good analogy, ToM … … … … … unusual for you 😉

    Swan simply gets cued by Treasury … like many Treasurers

    I said when he was promoted that he was a really nice bloke (I met him a few times at the club my mother was president of for a decade) but he’s certainly no Treasurer …

    But then neither was John Howard or Tip Custard .. *

    *Cue, Kneel …

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 10:59 am

    Actually, ToM, Swan isn’t even a “big talker” is he?

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:06 am

    Yes TB, but I have no idea what Swan is like on a personal basis. I can only judge him by what he does in public.

    On any reasonable assessment, Swan is arrogant, full of bluster, a bullshit artist of the highest order, inarticulate, dishonest, disloyal, a liar and incompetent.

    If the drinking game requires a sip each time Swan bullshits, I’ll be pissed 5 minutes into his speech.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:09 am

    Swan certainly is a big talker. Every time he opens his mouth it’s to promote himself.

    He’s the worst offender I’ve seen.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:18 am

    If the drinking game requires a sip each time Swan bullshits, I’ll be pissed 5 minutes into his speech.

    Judging from recent posts you’ll be pissed 5 minutes BEFORE his speech! 😆

    People on TV never appear to be the people they really are … but then they don’t at functions and parties too …I could be completely wrong about Swan being a nice bloke … still I like to think my sixth sense is reasonably well honed … in business at least …

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:43 am

    Swan certainly is a big talker. Every time he opens his mouth it’s to promote himself.
    He’s the worst offender I’ve seen.

    swan would be the least big-noting politician ever! he comes across as a mild and seriously hardworking public servant.Your total bias has tipped you over the edge, you’re just making stuff up now to try and sway people to your agenda [labor bad, libs good].

    Do you live in fantasy land or just so completely rusted on that you can’t be objective anymore? You obviously haven’t seen and heard any of abbott’s self promoting press conferences, media stunts or any coalition pollie on radio or TV – now there is some shameless, non-stop and very aggressive self promotion!

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:55 am

    Are you joking AO? The only interview and debating style Swan has is bluster. He’s never restrained, he overstates every point, he deserves to be called a bullshit artist.

    He promised a surplus a hundred times, without qualification. He’s proven to be a man of lots of words, and now endless excuses.

    His budget speech deserves to be accompanied by howls of laughter and non stop derision.
    ==========
    TB, I’m usually pretty restrained Sun-Tue or Wed, but I’ll make an exception tomorrow night.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2013 11:58 am

    he deserves to be called a bullshit artist.

    aren’t they all? that’s what all pollies are – professional BS artists.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2013 12:09 pm

    I wonder what Greens/ALP supporters would be saying if Peter Costello said something like this

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    In an uncertain and fast‑changing world, we walk tall — as a nation confidently living within its means.

    This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.

    It funds new cost of living relief for Australian families.

    It helps businesses invest, compete and adapt to an economy in transition.

    And it finances bold new policies to help Australians with a disability, the aged, and those who can’t afford dental care.”

    Greens/Labor supporters cannot judge fairly. Judgement as to whether something is right or wrong depends on who is delivering the speech.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 12:14 pm

    Sure, but with the benefit of hindsight, Rudd wasn’t as huge a bullshit artist as Gillard (or Swan).

    Brendan Nelson and Turnbull weren’t as bad as Abbott (particularly Nelson)

    But Swan and Gillard now have an undeniable track record of promising a surplus hundreds of times without giving themselves wriggle room. Unrelenting ridicule should accompany Swan from here to 14 Sept.

  70. egg permalink
    May 13, 2013 2:11 pm

    Channeling the Bolter

    ‘One can only marvel at the political capital Labor has squandered. The carbon tax is unravelling less than 12 months after implementation, a hugely expensive National Broadband Network relies on compulsion for take-up, a bitterly fought mining tax yields a fraction of projected revenue, an attack on the media is aborted and the Gonski recommendations, which weaken the universities that better educated school students will attend, have generated little public support…’

    Maurice Newman

  71. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 13, 2013 2:33 pm

    Good, honest, hard working blokes resign when it’s clear they are not up to the task.

    For Swan, thet point was December 2007.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 3:04 pm

    Gillard and Swan.

    How can it be that these people have inherited the ALP from- Hawke, Keating, Willis, Dawkins, Kerrin…

    In Hawke’s government Gillard may have got Education. Swan would have been on the backbench.

    Keating lost some talent, so Swan might have reached something like Assistant Minister for Veterans Affairs.

    But the ALP is so lacking in talent, so over burdened with recycled union hacks that those 2 are the best they’ve got.

  73. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 13, 2013 3:22 pm

    So Chris Hayes is to be the new Chief Whip. That’s nice. He’s the bloke who signed off on the Bruce Wilson redundancy cheque after it became known that Wilson had ripped off the AWU for nearly a million.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 4:05 pm

    For Swan, thet point was December 2007.

    Bloody hell, James! All that swotting has changed yer accent!

    That sentence reads like Malcolm Fraser … 🙂

    But the ALP is so lacking in talent, so over burdened with recycled union hacks that those 2 are the best they’ve got.

    Yep! Tru dat, ToM …

    I just can’t wait for the new Liberal frontbench on 15/09 … 🙄

    As I said earlier, like the Circus Clowns taking over from Komedy Hour …

  75. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 4:14 pm

    “His budget speech deserves to be accompanied by howls of laughter and non stop derision.”

    Yes Comedy Hour should be something to behold.

    He has got a good grasp of the Stand Up variety

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2013 4:28 pm

    But the ALP is so lacking in talent, so over burdened with recycled union hacks that those 2 are the best they’ve got.

    But what does that say about the Public Service?? If you have a talented PS do you really need politicians?? I remember reading Swan saying if worldwide trouble arose (which it did) he would hand over the running of the country to the bureaucrats in Treasury.

    Perhaps Ken Henry is stupid as well.

  77. egg permalink
    May 13, 2013 4:44 pm

    This referendum that Gillard has lumped into the election, will almost certainly be a resounding NO. Further embarrassment for this hopeless, misguided government.

    ‘Recognition of local government in the Australian Constitution has been rejected three times. The first was when the Constitution was drawn up, the second was at referendum under a Labor government in 1974 and the third was at a referendum under a Labor government in 1988. There is now an opportunity to appreciate the reasons for the three previous rejections, the reasons for now rejecting the proposal a fourth time and voting “No”.

    David Mitchell is a former Tasmanian barrister and was a Tasmanian delegate to the 1998 Australian Constitutional Convention.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 5:00 pm

    Yes, egg … I can see no valid reason for it at all … recognise the First Australians by all means … but councillors???

  79. egg permalink
    May 13, 2013 5:18 pm

    This government has no appreciation of history.

  80. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 5:39 pm

    Do you wonder where the Fat is in the Public Service.

    Do you want a job as a Storeman ?

    How about $94K a year working a SAP computer software system that will scream at you when you need to get off your arse because stock levels might be a tad low.

    It’s a fucking joke………….

    http://mycareer.com.au/jobs/details/8854335?utm_source=articlejobboxes&utm_medium=jobbox&utm_content=smhgeneric&utm_campaign=articlesmhgeneric

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 5:49 pm

    Do you want a job as a Storeman ?

    You should write headlines for News Ltd …

    … you did read the ad? And I bet you wouldn’t be qualified … are you looking for a job?

    BTW, do you really think that accounting is a productive job? Counting up other people’s money and telling them how to avoid tax?

    Shakes head …

  82. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 6:10 pm

    Yes I did read the Advert

    Apparently it requires someone who can read and write and gets along with their customer base ( i.e. their colleagues).

    Oh and they also need to keep safe custody of all the dangerous goods.i.e. hide the key.

    The toughest part of the job is probably keeping the Illy Coffee in stock and the $15,000 coffee machine clean.

    “Counting up other people’s money and telling them how to avoid tax?”

    Yes because they are always more efficient at spending it.

    Shakes head at the resident Bolshie………………..

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2013 6:27 pm

    Who (besides the taxpayer) can afford to pay out 17% employer funded super?

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 6:31 pm

    Do you want a job as a Storeman ?

    The job is for a Store Manager (obviously dealing with dangerous goods) … 🙄

    Why would I be a Bolshie? I was a small business owner for 16 years … in a capitalist society … bolsheviks were professionals, so you got that bit right … 🙄

    I haven’t checked the share market today … blue chip fell did they?

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 6:34 pm

    Who (besides the taxpayer) can afford to pay out 17% employer funded super?

    Yes, 17% is high … however its part of a package at its highest $94k … inis aren’t completely tax payer funded BTW … but you knew that …

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 6:35 pm

    inis = unis

  87. egg permalink
    May 13, 2013 6:50 pm

    Budget Forecast … Infrastructure.

    ‘7News has learnt the centrepiece will be a $100 billion nation building plan to unlock massive private investment and fund major road and rail upgrades, hinted at today by the Infrastructure Minister.

    “There will also be some major announcement as a result of the work we are doing having a considered approach to infrastructure investment,” Anthony Albanese said.

    ‘That announcement will offer big investors, such as super funds, guaranteed returns over 30 to 40 years.

    ‘Unlike previous Public Private Partnerships, the plan won’t rely on tolls or increased ticket prices …’

  88. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 12:53 pm

    The thin edge of the wedge in NSW…. drug law reform.

    ‘A NSW parliamentary committee has recommended the medical use of cannabis for people with terminal illness and AIDS.

    ‘If adopted by the government, the measure will allow patients to use up to 15 grams of dry cannabis or its equivalent in cannabis products.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cannabis-treatment-for-pain-wins-mps-approval-20130515-2jlur.html#ixzz2TKGYHpeJ

  89. May 17, 2013 5:35 pm

    I hate Star Trek…soooooo lame.

  90. May 17, 2013 5:36 pm

    I hate flags too…

  91. May 17, 2013 5:37 pm

    I also hate horses…

  92. IPA address permalink
    May 17, 2013 5:54 pm

    I hate haterz.

  93. egg permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:06 pm

    Star Trek is pathetic.

  94. May 17, 2013 6:07 pm

    PIA Undress…lick da bagz…

  95. May 17, 2013 6:20 pm

    “do you really think that accounting is a productive job? “

  96. May 17, 2013 6:20 pm

    I hate Bolt quoting his ‘readers’ about Prime Ministerial Speeches from Der Untermensch…

  97. May 17, 2013 6:22 pm

    “do you really think that accounting is a productive job”

    No, I dare say that, these days, you could have a piece of collation software performing the same role.

    Without the palm greasing.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:35 pm

    “do you really think that accounting is a productive job? “

    Giggle, giggle … oops … 15cents worth of wine just missed the keyboard … its not real powerful stuff!

    Without the palm greasing. Well they do have time to watch slow porn … wait till the NBN hits ’em … oh bugger!

  99. May 17, 2013 6:44 pm

    Apparently Julia has said that she’ll spend one hundred million dollars to reboot the Tasmanian economy over the next four years, but in the same sentence denies that this is “pork barreling.”

  100. IPA address permalink
    May 17, 2013 7:49 pm

    And the haterz keep on hatin’. 😯 😉

  101. IPA address permalink
    May 17, 2013 8:27 pm

  102. egg permalink
    May 17, 2013 8:28 pm

    The Aussie dollar is on a slippery slope, primarily because the markets have finally realised the mass printing of money around the globe didn’t produce inflation as expected.

    Central Banks have it under control and so we see a flight away from our dollar and gold, once considered a safe hedge in an uncertain world but no longer necessary.

  103. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 7:34 am

    Dog’s man on earth hates capitalists.

    ‘He said free market capitalism had created a ”tyranny” and that people were being judged purely by their ability to consume goods.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/pope-blames-tyranny-of-capitalism-for-making-people-miserable-20130517-2jru9.html#ixzz2TaWSrzI7

  104. May 18, 2013 12:18 pm

    ” Dog’s man on earth hates capitalists.”
    Wrong. He is leading the capitalists.
    Rumor is he will be Prime`Meddler.

  105. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 3:42 pm

    ‘Further to this…”I hate Bolt quoting his ‘readers’”…’

    They are his eyes and ears … the 5th Estate reporters. So I’m quoting Speedy from the Bolter’s blog … suck it up.

    ‘I am in SA at work at a paper mill 11:30pm and every single production line is currently shut down due to excessive spot market electricity prices. This is becoming a more regular practice, in the last week alone the machinery here has shut for approximately 10 hours solely because it is cheaper for the company to have the machinery idle and wear the loss than to actually run and make product.

    ‘The longer Australian governments fail to build coal fired electricity generation plants the longer this sort of practice will continue and more and more Australian manufacturing will go the way of the dinosaur.’

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 4:00 pm

    ‘He said free market capitalism had created a ”tyranny” and that people were being judged purely by their ability to consume goods.’

    Don’t tell me they’ve finally got someone in the hot seat (chuckle) who knows what’a happening in the world? Pity, ’cause according to Nostradamus – he’s the last of the Dog whistlers …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So I’m quoting Speedy from the Bolter’s blog … suck it up.

    That’s not our very own Toillette is it?

  107. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 4:13 pm

    Toilet hates the Bolter for ideological reasons.

    History is about to repeat itself, a beggar thy neighbour policy associated with the rapidly falling Yen. A catalyst which may force Germany and China into a deflationary spiral.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10062865/Japan-storms-back-on-weak-yen-but-Asia-trembles.html

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 6:03 pm

    A catalyst which may force Germany and China into a deflationary spiral.

    Über Kapitalism really has got us in a mess, egg … did I mention that the GFC is only half (at best) over?

    When the World reaches these types of crossroads events generally change the way we do things for a long time … we are watching a major event in history taking place … and I mean a major event … like watching a storm front build in front of you before the fury hits …

    Our piddly Federal election is a parasite on a mosquito compared to what is happening around us …

    And we have no one in politics capable of leading us out of the coming storm … yet!

  109. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 6:04 pm

    The gold price has fallen 5% in the past week as the US stock market zooms into life.

    http://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do

  110. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 6:07 pm

    ‘we are watching a major event in history taking place …’

    Perhaps.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 7:46 pm

    This just landed in my email inbox … and, I chose to pass it on.

    Salute the Danish Flag – it’s a Symbol of Western Freedom
    By Susan MacAllen

    In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark. But in 1978 – even in Copenhagen, one didn’t see Muslim immigrants.

    The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 – a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.

    The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

    Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies – it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets – all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?

    By the 1990’s the growing urban Muslim population was obvious – and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark ‘s liberal way of life, the Danes – once so welcoming – began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, equality for women, tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.

    An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted, accurately, that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

    ‘Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending..’

    ‘Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark’s 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.’

    ‘Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.’

    ‘Forced marriages – promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death – are one problem.’

    ‘Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark’s Muslim population grows large enough – a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.’

    It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws.

    An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and Canada: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden – before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa – who, as a teenager, had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers – and I wonder what she would say today.

    In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years – one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today, Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe . (Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of ‘racism’ by liberal media across Europe – even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)

    If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark’s history, culture, and a Danish language test.

    You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship.

    You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark , you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won’t find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you.

    You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen, although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark , they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren’t.

    In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government’s welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system, as it existed, was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. ‘We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration.’

    ‘The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,’ he said.

    A large thorn in the side of Denmark’s imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, ‘The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,’ Hvilshoj says, ‘There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.’ And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, ‘In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech.’

    Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family’s thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.
    The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time – in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.

    Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened. Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law.

    And meanwhile, Canadians clamour for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in Canada and Australians,look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history. We would do well to look to Denmark, and say a prayer for her future and for our own.

    If you agree this article has value, then please pass it on.

  112. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 8:10 pm

    So you think the article has value?

  113. May 18, 2013 8:43 pm

    Meanwhile down at teh cafe Scaper reckons he’s having lunch with Julie Bishop tomorrow.

    I wonder if he can squeeze in Barack Obama by Wednesday…

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2013 9:47 pm

    Julie Bishop will say – …that’s very interesting Mr Scaper…a mayor! How interesting…and where abouts is Crapperville?

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2013 9:59 pm

    “I wonder if he can squeeze in Barack Obama by Wednesday”

    I am meeting with Barack on Wednesday so Scaper will have to book a different time

  116. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:55 am

    Scaper is also having a long lunch with the Member for Forde, which is plausible.

  117. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 8:23 am

    “We have always said that whilst a joint sitting is not our preferred option, it remains a fallback and we will keep going until such time as the carbon tax is repealed,” Greg Hunt told ABC radio.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 12:09 pm

    I wonder why Julian Assange & Co at Wikileaks, have never hacked into the Catholic Church … they have done more far more damage in this world than any other organisation in the last 2000 years …

    The four men whose accusations of sexual misconduct led to the dramatic resignation of Britain’s leading Catholic cleric as archbishop have attacked a Vatican announcement last week that he will leave the country for a period of “prayer and penance”. The three priests and one ex-priest, whose complaints were first reported in the Observer in February, say Cardinal Keith O’Brien should have been sent for psychological treatment instead.

    One of the priests warns: “Keith is extremely manipulative and needs help to be challenged out of his denial. If he does not receive treatment, I believe he is still a danger to himself and to others.”

    The four men are demanding an investigation into O’Brien’s “predatory behaviour” and say that stripping him of his cardinal status should not be ruled out. Despite making statements to the papal nuncio three months ago, they have heard nothing about a formal investigation into the cardinal, who was a vociferous public opponent of homosexuality.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/18/cardinal-obrien-still-danger-say-accusers

  119. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 12:18 pm

    ‘…needs help to be challenged out of his denial.’

    He needs debriefing.

    ———–

    Back in the Coalition War Room they have decided to fly a big kite in the run up to the election…. if you don’t want a double D then give us a mandate to rule. Bewdiful stuff.

    This will save us all a lot of time and unnecessary expense.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 12:28 pm

    So you think the article has value?

    sadly … yes … based on my personal experiences as a child in the UK (we emigrated in 1960 – as mass immigration was taking place particularly from Pakistan)

    … and, later as an adult, visits to family in the North and South of UK in 1997 (& Egypt) and then UK and 2005 (relatives in Holland) and 2010, UK/Europe/Meditteranean …

    I must note that we have a lovely Muslim family living next door … from Bosnia …

    But just as China has infiltrated the West with China Towns … Islam is infiltrating the West with a long term plan … both extremes …

    The “happy medium” never seems to last long when it comes to human beings …

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 12:36 pm

    … if you don’t want a double D then give us a mandate to rule … This will save us all a lot of time and unnecessary expense.

    And create a virtual dictatorship … hate governments that own both houses … any government … way too powerful!

  122. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 1:09 pm

    ‘…way too powerful!’

    It will be fine, the Abbott team has no intention of being unpopular.

    On the other matter, I grew up in Lakemba and understand the meaning of ghetto. The catlicks were replaced by other god botherers from strange cultures, with wave upon wave of immigrants it’s the norm to cluster.

    Mass migration will be beneficial for Australia, but its important that we quickly return to an orderly process.

    UKIP has garnered 19% in popularity polls, with Tories and Labor stalwarts deserting their parties.

  123. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 2:09 pm

    Sloppy journalism.

    ‘It also emerged that John Sullivan, a UKIP candidate in Gloucestershire, is alleged to have made the homophobic comments on Facebook.

    ‘He is said to have claimed that regular exercise ‘prevents’ children from ‘becoming’ gay.

    ‘He also suggested the Victorian method of physical exercise ‘released tension and thus avoided homosexuality’, but it was unclear whether these are Mr Sullivan’s views or whether he was just talking about Victorian attitudes to sport and homosexuality.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326728/Support-UKIP-reaches-record-19-party-steals-supporters-Labour-Tories.html#ixzz2ThyEI0Zi
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  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 4:58 pm

    … but it was unclear whether these are Mr Sullivan’s views or whether he was just talking about Victorian attitudes to sport and homosexuality.’

    He’s been to Melbourne then? 😉

  125. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:28 pm

    LOL TB

  126. May 20, 2013 9:14 am

    “That’s not our very own Toillette is it?”

    No, but given the dearth of Paper Mills in SA, combined with the fact that the quote from ‘speedy’ is absolutely correct (regarding the cost of operating at certain times in the spot market- very prohibitive in the last month or so…unusual, most of our curtailments occur during peak load in summer)…it’s fair to say that I know ‘speedy’.

    I’m not surprised. There are hordes of potential (and actual) Boltlickers working there. Some of the more easily misled ones even watch his poxy, unconvincing wank on CH10].
    Speedy is right about the downtime due to power curtailment (that’s what they call it). What he fails to mention is that the gasfired turbine is about to be connected to the grid. When this happens, the Mill will be much better insulated against the spot market; able to generate about 90% of its peak electricity requirements. The HRSG has been online since Xmas past.

    That whole Spot Price thing strikes me as extortion & manipulation. I am often witness to its wild fluctuations.

  127. IPA address permalink
    May 20, 2013 9:53 am

    Further to Evil Walrus’s observation that The Australian has dropped its paywall, the Herald Sun‘s appears to have gone as well. Is this a temporary ploy to hook in more readers or is it a more permanent admission that paywalls drive readers away?

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 10:03 am

    Is this a temporary ploy to hook in more readers or is it a more permanent admission that paywalls drive readers away?

    Mmmm … I’ve noticed a dearth of blacksmiths, cobblers and milkmen (sic) too, ToSY?

    And my new car doesn’t have a crank handle either!

    Something strange is happening to the world …

  129. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 10:10 am

    Abbott’s chief advisor Peta Credlin has been caught drink driving.

    Lets watch as

    *Tanya Plibersek turns that into an attack on Abbott

    * Shorten will probably link it to Workchoices

    *Combet will link it to the European Carbon Price

    * And the Cafe will just scream……………Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,Abbott,

  130. IPA address permalink
    May 20, 2013 11:11 am

    ABC’s AM today.

    TONY EASTLEY: Fewer Australians are taking up gambling, but when they do, odds are it’ll be online and the wager will be on a sports team or individual player.

    The latest research on gambling shows there’s been an explosion in the popularity of sports betting.

    Worryingly, the experts confirm it’s younger people who are parting with their cash.

    Here’s AM’S Simon Santow.

    SIMON SANTOW: “Nathan” is only in his mid twenties, but his sports gambling addiction has already cost him greatly.

    Anecdotal evidence from the pseudonymous “Nathan” is acceptable journalism at the ABC:

    NATHAN: I’ve lost over, probably, $1.5 million, and in terms of how much I’ve gambled, it’s probably been over three or four million – that’s including winnings and losings, if you know what I mean.

    SIMON SANTOW: So just in four years?

    NATHAN: In four years time, yes.

    SIMON SANTOW: He says he had the job and the assets, at first, to support his betting, but when the losses began to mount, that all changed.

    NATHAN: I’ve probably aged maybe eight years or nine years from what I am now; it’s an emotional challenge, especially stopping. It’s put a strain on my relationship with my wife – thank God she’s understanding – and my family and my friends.

    “Nathan”, we were told, is in his mid-twenties, but, according to him, he’s actually in his early- to mid-thirties, thanks to gambling.

    SIMON SANTOW: Nathan’s story is typical of the new breed of problem gamblers.

    SALLY GAINSBURY: Interactive gamblers tend to be male, they tend to be younger. They’re from a higher education, so they’re more likely to have university degrees. They certainly have access to the internet at their work, and at their home. And they might be from a higher socio-economic bracket.

    So “the new breed of problem gamblers” are old enough and educated enough to make their own decisions?

    SIMON SANTOW: Researcher Sally Gainsbury from Southern Cross University says sports betting has doubled in popularity and the take has grown by 15 per cent in just five years.

    Its “popularity” has doubled in five years but the “take” has grown by just 15 per cent? That means that twice as many people are gambling but the “take” per individual gambler has decreased by 42.5 per cent. And these wowsers think that’s an “explosion”?

    SALLY GAINSBURY: And this is largely attributed to the growth in online betting, which has definitely been fuelled by the advertising we’ve seen in relation to sports betting.

    Tom Waterhouse, anyone?

    SIMON SANTOW: And the social effects are only just becoming apparent.

    SALLY GAINSBURY: There is evidence that there are higher problem gambling rates among people who gamble online, and these internet gamblers are also more likely to gamble in a greater number of activities and also more frequently engage in gambling. And you can gamble from home, privately, without anyone knowing you’re doing it.

    They are gambling in the privacy of their own home? The horror!

    SIMON SANTOW: Dr Gainsbury surveyed 15,000 Australians. Late last year they revealed their gambling habits, and the results are both surprising and alarming.

    Sixty-four per cent of adults gambled in the past year, compared with a much higher figure of 82 per cent back in 1999.

    There’s that “explosion” again. A 22 per cent reduction in the number of adults who gambled.

    SALLY GAINSBURY: We have an ageing population with a different population make-up. We’ve also had economic conditions that have meant there’s less expenditure on discretionary items, and potentially a changing shift in what people are interested, in terms of the gambling activities.

    In other words, people have less money to gamble therefore they are gambling less.

    SIMON SANTOW: While there’s been plenty of recent discussion about how the odds have infiltrated TV sports coverage, Sally Gainsbury says there’s also a newish threat from simulated gaming, pushed through social media like Twitter and Facebook.

    SALLY GAINSBURY: The concern is particularly for children that again it’s normalising gambling, they’re enjoying it, and because it’s not regulated as a gambling game, the payout rates aren’t randomly determined.

    SIMON SANTOW: She says there’s a good chance that children will transfer the simulated gaming experience to the real thing with devastating consequences.

    These are the same arguments used against violent video games.

    TONY EASTLEY: Simon Santow.

    And tonight’s edition of 4 Corners on ABC1 at 8:30 will also investigate how children are being exposed to gambling.

    Can’t wait.

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2013 11:24 am

    If we don’t want the same problems we have with pokies amplified and repeated, then advertising online and mobile phone gambling should be banned now.

  132. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 11:44 am

    A lusty miner from further out and a whore up from Sydney made life awkward over the weekend. Basil Fawlty writ large.

    People send me stuff…

    http://www.accomnews.com.au/industry/154-news-in-brief/2872-win-for-motel-in-sex-worker-case

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 12:15 pm

    These are the same arguments used against violent video games.

    Children shouldn’t be playing violent “computer” games (and you only pay once to play anyway) … pong is old hat now ToSY .. 😉

    And the transfer of violence has always been a silly argument … based on types of people who play …

    … gambling transfers much more esily from “free” games using pretend “points” to using money in the same or similar games …

    I agree with, sb …

    If we don’t want the same problems we have with pokies amplified and repeated, then advertising online and mobile phone gambling should be banned now.

    I’ve experienced how a friend of ours lost $8,000 at the pokies in six months … she actually ran away from home she was so frightened of what here husband might say … her guilt and shame was palpable … she was in her 40’s at the time …

    Another female friend sits and watches TV (Bonanza! Would you believe) and plays the pokies on her iPad at the same time … conversation is nigh impossible … I refuse to go to my club with her and her hunband … she won’t leave the pokies (or her fkn smart phone) alone …

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 12:18 pm

    I chose never to stay in the Drovers Rest … always sounded so noisy as I drovered past … 🙂

  135. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 1:04 pm

    Über Kapitalism really has got us in a mess, egg … did I mention that the GFC is only half (at best) over?

    but still the zombies with the dead ideas are allowed to rule the world.

    He also suggested the Victorian method of physical exercise ‘released tension and thus avoided homosexuality’, but it was unclear whether these are Mr Sullivan’s views or whether he was just talking about Victorian attitudes to sport and homosexuality.’

    works for tony abbott 😆

    If we don’t want the same problems we have with pokies amplified and repeated, then advertising online and mobile phone gambling should be banned now.

    yes, i agree, but isn’t that in contradiction to your very ‘libertarian’ approach on government spending, business regulation and taxes?
    I am currently watching the ‘huge problem with illicit drugs ‘ playing out. Not a mention about why, the fact that they are illegal, therefore creating a black market. Also the hypocrisy of the enormous social and financial burden on the taxpaying community from the legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco never acknowledged.

    Which makes a neat segue into:

    Abbott’s chief advisor Peta Credlin has been caught drink driving.
    Lets watch as
    *Tanya Plibersek turns that into an attack on Abbott

    Oh, so wrongdoing by people in powerful and influential positions should be just whitewashed? IMO labor usually make no comment on these things whilst the libs will immediately rush some confected outrage or labor attack into their newsltd friendlies as damage control so that the headline disappears real quick.
    Isn’t it just politics anyway? If it was a labor advisor or staffer the libs and yourself would be all over it as another reason labor is unfit for office! Abbott’s grubby antics are OK but the other side are guilty of what – politics?

    don’t forget the other recent alcohol fueled headline:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-19/abbott-demotes-staffer-over-throat-cut-comment/4639972

    I wonder if the staffer is still acting in the same capacity as before and on the same wages, but just had a change of title.

    Have the libs a problem with alcohol, is it one big private school type binge outfit? 😉

  136. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2013 1:38 pm

    “isn’t that in contradiction to your very ‘libertarian’ approach on government spending, business regulation and taxes?”

    I am basically a pragmatist. I am a free speech fundamentalist, but for most other issues I’m happy to look at what works from a practical point of view. Gambling addiction is a very destructive disease. It impacts more people than the compulsive gambler. While in theory people should be allowed that choice, as a practical matter, the carnage is too great not to at least limit the opportunities for destruction. That doesn’t mean ban all gambling but it does mean we should try to limit the most destructive aspects of gambling – more of a nudge than a ban.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 1:59 pm

    For me, the most telling example of political hypocrisy is this photo:

    The coalition couldn’t care less about the ndis or the disabled, if so they would have done something when they were in office and had all so much money to splash around, instead it went to those who needed it least.

    nope, nothing in the media about it either.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 2:13 pm

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-features/disability-advocates-fury-at-tony-abbott/story-fn5ko0pw-1225899755964

    …He had said he would seek to change Parliament’s standing orders to reform Question Time, by moving the scheduling of “waffly ministerial statements on things like the accessibility of cinemas”.

    Blind Citizens Australia executive officer Robyn Gaile said Mr Abbott had missed the point and disrespected “the inherent dignity of people who are blind or vision-impaired, or deaf or hearing-impaired”.

    Deafness Forum of Australia chief executive Nicole Lawder was “extremely disappointed”.

    “Cinema access is … certainly not irrelevant or waffle,” Ms Lawder said.

    Australian Federation of Disability Organisations spokesman David Brant said the comments betrayed a lack of understanding of difficulties faced by disabled people…

    Last night, Mr Abbott said he had been “misinformed about that particular statement”…

    That was 2010, but you know, mr charity-dogooder-abbott has been re-born and apparently none of his past nastiness matters anymore.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 2:18 pm

    sure phoney tony, the picture tells the story of your BS though!

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 2:57 pm

    Theres’s something about the Liberal/National Party Coalition that reminds me of the history of NSDAP in the 1930’s and how they fooled a nation …

  141. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 3:56 pm

    “…nope, nothing in the media about it either.”

    Absolute rubbish.

    It got quite a bit of coverage but the ALP let it all run “dead” when it was pointed out that none of the Indies were present either and half the ALP obviously doe”nt care either as half the government benches were also deserted.

  142. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 3:59 pm

    In fact I count only around 35 government MPs

  143. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 4:01 pm

    ‘The coalition couldn’t care less about the ndis or the disabled, if so they would have done something when they were in office’

    That’s crazy talk, it took the political brilliance of a watermelon to bring the NDIS about. The Coalition is composed of pragmatists, but they are prepared to change in line with public sentiment.

    Another matter may soon come up to embarrass both jools and tone. I read somewhere that the gay marriage debate could erupt before the election, forcing those two clowns to allow for a conscience vote. The electorate would like to see more bipartisanship on this.

    Looking at the polls both leaders remain unpopular, so they need all the help they can get.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 4:05 pm

    The Coalition is composed of pragmatists, but they are prepared to change in line with public sentiment.

    i.e. Reactionary rather than progressive …

  145. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:01 pm

    The Greens are reactionary in the extreme and we have a conservative Liberal Party … the Americans find this mildly amusing.

    The left can’t put on the cloak of ‘progressives’ and claim it as their own.

    On his own admission Barnaby Joyce is an agrarian socialist, a true progressive.

  146. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:30 pm

    Tony Windsor only has one chance against Barnaby Joyce.

    A very big advertising campaign in his seat highlighting all the things he has “won” for his electorate and then wrong foot everybody by decapitating the government at the first opportunity and then claim “People’s Hero” status

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:50 pm

    On his own admission Barnaby Joyce is an agrarian socialist, a true progressive.

    He’s a 1940’s Country Party wanker … have you ever been to St George? If you haven’t you should it may give you an insight into his intellectual limitations …

  148. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:54 pm

    Barnaby grew up in Woolbrook (NSW) and graduated from Armidale University with a degree in commerce. He lives in red neck country, but he’s no dill.

  149. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:58 pm

    Kittylitter, it’s been well publicised that the Coalition didn’t know it was on for announcement/debate. Obviously, neither did the Indies or any ALP members or ministers except those seated immediately around the PM to give credence to her crocodile tears.

  150. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 6:03 pm

    Just read something very very funny.

    Catching Up is now an expert on the Government Bond market and lecturing someone on the Debt Ceiling and the need for liquidity within the Bond market.

    I must get her opinion on uses of bond futures and swap-note hedging and spread trading

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 6:23 pm

    I must get her opinion on uses of bond futures and swap-note hedging and spread trading

    I’d watch the foul language, Wally, you know how , sreb gets about that stuff …

  152. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 6:31 pm

    “People’s Hero”

    ‘NATIONALS Senator Barnaby Joyce’s decision to challenge Tony Windsor in the lower house seat of New England could backfire, according to recent polling that shows Mr Windsor holding a strong lead four months before the election.

    ‘A poll by the resources industry in the past fortnight shows Mr Windsor would win 49 per cent of the primary vote compared with 38 per cent for Senator Joyce, reports The Australian Financial Review.’

  153. IPA address permalink
    May 20, 2013 7:44 pm

    “Smack My Bitch Up” performed by The Beatles 😯

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 7:48 pm

    ggggg

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 7:48 pm

    ooops test …

  156. IPA address permalink
    May 20, 2013 8:33 pm

    A panel full of leftoid “writers” on Q&A tonight. Spare me. 🙄

  157. IPA address permalink
    May 20, 2013 9:19 pm

    Tonight’s Four Corners failed to make any accusation whatsoever of wrongdoing by gambling proponents. Supposed public discontent with ubiquitous gambling advertising is all they could come up with. Witness for the prosecution? None other than outspoken Tom Waterhouse critic Peter Fitzsimons.

    What. A. Fucking. Beat. Up.

  158. IPA address permalink
    May 20, 2013 9:34 pm

    “And tonight’s edition of 4 Corners on ABC1 at 8:30 will also investigate how children are being exposed to gambling.”

    Guffaw.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 11:03 pm

    A poll by the resources industry in the past fortnight shows Mr Windsor would win 49 per cent of the primary vote compared with 38 per cent for Senator Joyce, reports The Australian Financial Review.’

    Now why would the resources industry need to be be doing the libs polling for them?

    Oh that’s right, barnaby and gina are very close aren’t they? Barnaby runs interference by applying pressure on the kids who just want a bit of cash from dear old mum. Then they all entertain gina’s OS clients together. Then ther’s tony’s weekly ‘strategy’ meetings at rupert HQ, no collusion between big business and the libs is there?

    I did read something funny today, well it made me laugh anyway

    It appears likely that Abbott will get the top job next election, how long he keeps it is another story. Abbott’s conservatism is fairly obvious, someone who admires Santamaria and classes Pell as a mentor is not going to leave his conservatism behind. I give his strategists full credit for their management of Tony, no long speeches, interviews with a friendly media, they are aware of his ‘foot in mouth’ syndrome. While Tony likes to portray himself as a man of the people eg playing ‘dress up’ with the hardhats and other gear he represents the average worker as much as the Village People represent American indians. It won’t be until after the next election if the coalition gets in that we will see what school of conservatism Abbott follows.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/what-sort-of-prime-minister-will-this-man-be-20130519-2juhq.html#ixzz2TptMizhH

    A panel full of leftoid “writers” on Q&A tonight. Spare me.

    And heres me thinking it was the first decent Q&A I’d seen in ages. So sick of politicians arguing and shouting insults at each other. Nice to see people having a civilised conversation and me actually learning something from them. Perhaps we should petition Q&A to not invite any politicians, they lower the tone of the joint.

    What. A. Fucking. Beat. Up.

    Dunno about that, everyone I know can’t stand the toothy smarmysmiling tom waterhouse and can’t wait to see the back of him #fuckofftom

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2013 1:01 am

    Overwhelming majority of boat arrivals deemed to be refugees:

    More than 90 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat were found to be genuine refugees in the March quarter, figures to be released on Monday show. But those who arrived by plane – despite being eligible for release into the community and not having to face years of detention on Nauru or Manus Island – were almost twice as likely to be rejected as refugees…
    …All asylum seekers who arrive by boat will now be subject to the no-advantage rules, meaning they could face up to five years’ detention in Manus or Nauru and, if released into the community, would not be allowed to work for five years…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/overwhelming-majority-of-boat-arrivals-deemed-to-be-refugees-20130519-2juty.html#ixzz2TqSsvJof

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2013 1:56 am

    Tony Abbott’s legal team pro-bono in David Ettridge lawsuit:

    …TONY Abbott won’t be paying a cent to fight a $1.5 million lawsuit by One Nation co-founder David Ettridge with the Opposition Leader getting his high-powered legal team “pro-bono”.

    In a declaration to the parliament, Mr Abbott confirmed Queensland-based McCullough Robertson were donating their time free of charge to work on the case…

    …Asked yesterday why the free legal services were obtained, a spokesman for the Opposition Leader said: “An offer was made and it was accepted”.
    Brisbane-based McCullough Robertson is Queensland’s largest independent law firm. The firm denied News Limited’s request for comment when contacted on Friday.

    Mr Ettridge yesterday said it was a farce that Mr Abbott was not paying for his own legal costs.

    “This is just a case of the soldier ants rallying around the nest,” he said.

    “Mr Abbott doesn’t accept responsibility for his breaking of the law and it is clear that he can’t even accept the responsibility of paying his own way to defend this case.

    “I guess the question needs to be asked is what political favours are being created by that firm that will be called up upon if Mr Abbott is prime minister after the next election.”

    Last year Mr Abbott declared he was receiving pro bono legal services from Arnold Bloch Leibler in defending a defamation case brought against him by prominent unionist John Setka…

    The life of the totally indulged is – never having to be personally responsible for anything you do or say.

  162. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 7:31 am

    Just under half of aunty’s newsroom are watermelons and need to be purged from the organisation.

    ‘MORE than 40 per cent of ABC journalists who answered a survey question about their political attitudes are Greens supporters, four times the support the minor party enjoys in the wider population.

    ‘The journalism survey, the largest in 20 years, has found the profession is overwhelmingly left-leaning, with respondents from the ABC declaring double levels of support for the Greens compared with those from Fairfax Media and News Limited.’

    Pia Akerman in the Oz

  163. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 7:55 am

    The Coalition has a problem over the baby bonus and its easy to see why, Nationals wimmen live and work on the land, not the big end of town. So along with the mob camped down by the river, they are being encouraged to stop breedin’.

    ‘THE Coalition is divided over a decision by the leadership team not to support Labor’s pared-down Baby Bonus, after Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey revealed it would be completely axed by an Abbott government.

    ‘The Australian has spoken to many Nationals MPs who are angry that Tony Abbott and Mr Hockey are pursuing a generous paid parental leave scheme but abolishing any payment going to stay-at-home mothers.

    ‘One senior Nationals MP said the issue would be formally raised in the Coalition partyroom and would be strongly opposed.

    “This hasn’t been to the partyroom . . . it’s just outrageous,” the MP, who wouldn’t be named, said.

    “Stay-at-home mothers will get nothing under this proposal — we can’t support this.”

    Patricia Karvelas in the Oz

  164. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2013 8:52 am

    “I did read something funny today, well it made me laugh anyway

    It appears likely that Abbott will get the top job next election, how long he keeps it is another story” – Kittylitter

    Yes the funny thing about that is you assume the LNP has not learnt from the ALPs mistake in replacing a sitting PM

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2013 9:18 am

    AO- ‘he represents the average worker as much as the Village People represent American indians’

    That’s quite funny.

  166. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 21, 2013 10:35 am

    Kittylitter –

    someone who admires Santamaria

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. What, specifically, did you dislike about Santamaria? I’m not sure that too many of his particular philosophies were at odds with what you say yours are.

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2013 10:45 am

    Sanatamaria was an economically illiterate socialist. The only good thing about him was that he hated commos.

  168. IPA address permalink
    May 21, 2013 11:20 am

    Chris Berg:

    Banning betting odds during broadcasts is the ultimate symbolic gesture – arbitrary feel-goodism masquerading as social policy. . . . By now, everybody who is not a first-year arts student has come to terms with the fact that sport involves money. An older debate along these lines – about whether sport should remain amateur or go professional – looks very quaint from the vantage of the 21st century.

    Sports betting is just the latest bogyman – yet another threat to that romantic vision. Yet betting on sport is as old as sport itself. One British sports historian, Wray Vamplew, says that much of the strict codification of the rules of sport in the 19th century was driven by the needs of gambling. Early punters found it hard to bet when the rules weren’t codified. . . . For the hyperbole and hand-wringing, sports betting is a tiny sliver of gambling in Australia. . . . just over 1.5 per cent of the total.

    Yet one academic proclaimed on The Conversation website last week that sports betting represented the steady ”gamblification” of everyday life – Tom Waterhouse is a sign that Australia is being buried by gambling.

    The evidence suggests quite the opposite. Total expenditure on gambling has remained steady over the past decade. And if we take population growth into account, then in recent years gambling has begun to decline. Nothing here screams ”impending social problem”.

    Instead, the Greens’ Richard Di Natale falls back on an old standard. ”It’s becoming increasingly hard for young kids to know where the sport ends and the gambling begins,” he said in a press release announcing his bill.

    That’s the think-of-the-children argument, a favourite of censors, wowsers and reactionaries for two centuries.

  169. IPA address permalink
    May 21, 2013 11:28 am

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2013 11:56 am

    IPA, obviously the ideologues (like the IPA) are going to politicise this issue and turn into a right/left thing. It isn’t. I’m not for banning betting as such. I am in favour taking steps to minimise the damage done by what is a highly addictive behaviour.

    Take cigarettes – people can smoke, but now far less people do so. This follows various measures involving banning smoking where it has most impact on non-smokers, banning tobacco advertising and increasing the cost of smoking through taxation. The end result is that people can smoke, so their freedom is not infringed, but far less people become addicted to tobacco which has huge economic and public health benefits.

    The same reasoning should be applied to gambling, particularly notoriously addictive forms of gambling.

  171. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 11:58 am

    I agree with splatter.

  172. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2013 12:34 pm

    Gambling already has plenty of caves in which it can dwell be it the pokie den in the local pub, the local TAB, the Crown Casino or the racecourse. I don’t care if its now spread to the mobile phone or internet and is instantly accessible at one’s discretion.

    I just don’t want it’s ugly fucking head beamed directly into my fucking living room.

  173. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2013 12:39 pm

    “Sports betting is just the latest bogyman – yet another threat to that romantic vision. Yet betting on sport is as old as sport itself.”

    Yeah……………..and so is Sex.

    But it doesn’t mean we have to watch a movie promo of porn star Ron Jeremy banging a Dallas Cowboys cheergirl during the live broadcast of the Superbowl

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2013 1:39 pm

    MORE than 40 per cent of ABC journalists who answered a survey question about their political attitudes are Greens supporters, four times the support the minor party enjoys in the wider population.</i.

    And I'm hoping that there will be a lot more greens supporters voting at the next election – enough for another minority government!

    IPA, obviously the ideologues (like the IPA) are going to politicise this issue and turn into a right/left thing. It isn’t. I’m not for banning betting as such. I am in favour taking steps to minimise the damage done by what is a highly addictive behaviour.

    IPA being one of those ideologues… complete and utter freedom for business to plunder as they see fit. He doesn’t mention the obvious problems with his extremism, like human rights, equality, equity and the competing rights of other individuals etc. I liked what jay weatherill said recently – that we don’t let kids drink alcohol, into pubs, gambling houses etc until they are 18yo so why would you let them be inundated with gambling while enjoying a footy game. I think there’s an argument about not being considered financially competent and responsible for financial transactions until 18 yrs as well.

    That’s quite funny.

    I thought so too!

    I agree with splatter.

    me too 😯

    The Coalition has a problem over the baby bonus and its easy to see why, Nationals wimmen live and work on the land, not the big end of town. So along with the mob camped down by the river, they are being encouraged to stop breedin’.

    I think it’s to do with the stay-at-home mums, they believe that they should get whatever a working mother gets, even though they are not in the paid workforce. Also the country wimmins that do some part-time work for financial independence or to augment the family income or to chat to someone other than sheep or cows – how many would be on $75,000?

    … if you don’t want a double D then give us a mandate to rule … This will save us all a lot of time and unnecessary expense.

    hang the expense, I love a DD!

    Kittylitter, it’s been well publicised that the Coalition didn’t know it was on for announcement/debate. Obviously, neither did the Indies or any ALP members or ministers except those seated immediately around the PM to give credence to her crocodile tears.

    can I have some evidence for that james, [not just the coalition damage control for a gullible public and the rusted ons]. Link?

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. What, specifically, did you dislike about </i.Santamaria? I’m not sure that too many of his particular philosophies were at odds with what you say yours are.

    I didn't say that at all, I messed up my quote [I usually italicise the quotes and posted in haste without checking].

    The whole para after

    "I did read something funny today, well it made me laugh anyway" is a quote from the article that I linked to beneath it.

    I realised my mistake after posting but couldn't be bothered to fix at the time [doing too many things at once].

    I'm sure that I would disagree with most of his philosophies.

    The big disagreements would be his exemption from military service in WW2 while the sons and fathers of ordinary people were forced to serve their country without exemptions. Religion, his fascism, social conservatism. The entrenched misogyny of his religion. His devious and unethical methods of bringing about his political aims rather than fighting the communist influence in open elections [the catholic mafia that has infiltrated and corrupted the public service and govt institutions that abbott still uses today for his own political ends].

    It is likely only his anti-capitalist stance that I am in agreement with but for totally different reasons, he didn't like it because it allowed women the freedom to break the chains that tied them to the kitchen sink and blamed it for 'a breakdown of the family unit' presumably because women allowed any personal and economic freedom is to blame for family breakdown.

    I don't like capitalism because it destroys the freedoms of both sexes and exists to serve the interests of the few wealthy.

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2013 1:40 pm

    Now I’ve messed up that whole comment, it’s all italicised!

    can’t you work it out for yourselves? 😉

  176. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 1:54 pm

    ‘And I’m hoping that there will be a lot more greens supporters voting at the next election – enough for another minority government!’

    Thankfully most of the brainwashed people are too young to vote, so you will be sorely disappointed.

  177. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 1:58 pm

    ‘hang the expense, I love a DD!’

    I have no objection, but some of the pollies might be terrified at the prospect.

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2013 2:16 pm

    “I don’t like capitalism because it destroys the freedoms of both sexes and exists to serve the interests of the few wealthy.”

    I like market economies because they have done far more for improving the lives of all citizens than socialist systems ever have.

    Last century there were a large number of socialist states. They were a disaster for their citizens. Between them they killed about 100 million people – that’s all they bring to the table: poverty, misery and death. The people who supported them – mostly leftist “intellectuals” of the era – are no better than Nazi supporters.

    The role of the state is to regulate the economy so that markets can work. That requires property rights, a system of enforcing contracts and also anti-monopoly and consumer protection rules. The state should also provide basic welfare services to citizens, but only to the extent that it doesn’t destroy private enterprise. Every cent the government spends comes from private enterprise. Ultimately it is a pragmatic question of what works.

    As to minority governments, you might like to consider the position in NSW where the Shooters Party holds the balance in the upper house so now we have hunters trotting about in national parks.

  179. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 2:59 pm

    ‘…now we have hunters trotting about in national parks.’

    That’s been stopped along with any suggestion of logging the parks. We need Abbott’s green army to kill the feral animals … not that I’m suggesting the Shooters Party deserves a say, but we could keep an open mind.

  180. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 21, 2013 3:52 pm

    Kittylitter –

    1. Do you know why Santamaria was exempted from war service?
    2. Do you hate all Catholics?
    3. On what basis do you declare him a fascist?
    4. Do you consider all those born in 1915 and before to be misogynists or merely a product of their generation? Do you apply the same standards to Muslims all over the world?
    5. What was devious/unethical about generating a more active union membership?
    6. Are you aware that each of his 5 daughters are University qualified and have been, to varying degrees, active participants in the workforce?

  181. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2013 3:56 pm

    “Between them they killed about 100 million people – that’s all they bring to the table: poverty, misery and death “

    Splatterbottom……………… are you from Venezuela ?

    I only ask because after all that about Socialist governments I was about to could you please pass the Kleenex but…………………..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22602331

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2013 4:14 pm

    Oh shit. Let them eat bidets!

  183. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 4:53 pm

    LOL splatter

  184. May 21, 2013 5:18 pm

    “That’s been stopped along with any suggestion of logging the parks.”

    😯

    “The shooting spree – the likes of which Victorian authorities have not seen since the early 1990s – could have been prevented. Days before the incident, government officials were tipped off by a concerned hunter with a warning.

    The shooters had ”shot the shit out of the joint, shot everything that moved”, the informant told the department. There was talk, the hunter added, that it would happen again.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/hunter-warned-of-bird-massacre-20130512-2jg5r.html#ixzz2TuR04Ms3

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2013 5:34 pm

    sb,

    I agree with your comments about dictatorship and pure communist dictators (ie Stalin and Hitler) …(China is hardly a dictatorship or pure communist as your history books portray) and I would say the 100 million is way off the mark … many, many more …

    I would argue that either market or command systems left to themselves are generally fucked up by ignorant and/or particularly greedy people …

    In either system there always seems to be the “elite” spewed out at the top … the nasty, scrabblers who want to rule the world or other people and don’t give a shit about ordinary people – a long ladder of them from the toilet cleaners to the top politicians … Russia was “set free” and embraced the market system … how much better that is now than thier version of communism is debatable – by ordinary Russian folk …

    I was only thinking this morning on my walk … that we really need a mix of both command and market … the market system works no question … I am a firm believer in free enterprise and a professed capitalist … and here’s the “but” … it’s a wasteful system … the rush to market new products (that are generally not much different to the last model) costs so much as each iteration is simply thrown away …

    A simplistic analogy – — we have a situation where I own three LCD TVs – two 40″ and a 46″ … some people are now trying to figure out how to deal with the analogue switch off … in a command/market system everyone would be entitled to a TV every five years … R&D would continue and if people wanted to they could purchase another TV at their own cost …

    This principle could be applied to many goods … easier to plan and control from design and manufacture to unnecessary marketing to pick up and recycle …

    As I’ve mentioned many times before there are some things that should never be part of a free market system … health, education, power, water … (Queensland’s power is tipped to rise by an approved 21% this year) …

    Business education and training institutions still advocate a 5-10% profit increase each year … and we just continue through boom and bust cycles …

    We really need a new approach …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For those who don’t know who Bob Santamaria was …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._A._Santamaria

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ba+santamaria&oq=BA+Santamaria&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0.1262.5207.0.7070.13.10.0.3.3.0.229.1804.1j0j8.9.0…0.0…1ac.1.11.youtube.ePW76Srhj2o

    Kittylitter –

    1. Do you know why Santamaria was exempted from war service?
    2. Do you hate all Catholics?
    3. On what basis do you declare him a fascist?
    4. Do you consider all those born in 1915 and before to be misogynists or merely a product of their generation? Do you apply the same standards to Muslims all over the world?
    5. What was devious/unethical about generating a more active union membership?
    6. Are you aware that each of his 5 daughters are University qualified and have been, to varying degrees, active participants in the workforce?

    I know this “little list” is aimed at KL … but I’m going to answer each question for you myself … ‘because I’m old enough to have been an adult when the Fuckwit™ ranted on my TV every week (Sunday if memory serves) …

    1. Because he was Italian … although he claimed a dislike for the Fascists

    2. Hates a strong word … but I do “hate” hypocrisy and most of it in my life seems to come from Catliks.

    3. He supported Mussolini … supposedly dislike Hitler … did you read my comment about hypocrisy? The Vatican supported Hitler … more hypocrisy …

    4. Mysoginists … most of them … and a lot after … no names, no pack drill … 😉 … and the Catlik Church IS a mysoginist organisation and will inargueably remain so until the first female priest is ordained …

    5. ????

    6. Quite frankly … what’s that got to do with anything … oh, that’s right if you have five daughters you can’t be a mysoginist in your eyes …

    BTW … most Labor Party members referred to the DLP as the Dirty Labor Party …

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2013 6:32 pm

    TB I think you grossly underestimate the inherent weaknesses in a command economy. There is no individual or committee smart enough to make better decisions than the market.

    If the old command economies were anything to go by, the products would be primitive and shoddy, there would be shortages and surpluses and the enterprises would be run for the benefit of the unions – slack work practices, nepotism and theft – much like the NSW railways. In short we would still be watching very badly made CRT TVs.

    The profit motive encourages innovation. That means a lot of failure, which is at the expense of the entrepreneur. No command economy can come close to the level of innovation that competition delivers.

    There is a political analogy – Europe was so successful in the 17th to the 19th century era because there were so many different states, and therefore different systems. If one was successful the others tried to imitate the good bits. That is why the EU is wrong. It will retard innovation, both economic and social. Without the stimulus to innovation, the Brits (and particularly the Scots) would not have kicked off the industrial revolution which really started the era of modern prosperity and improved the lives of all levels of society.

  187. egg permalink
    May 21, 2013 7:02 pm

    ‘The shooters had ”shot the shit out of the joint’

    Yeah, that was a complete disgrace.

    In NSW O’Farrell will keep the cowboys in check, not wanting to upset his mandate.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2013 7:06 pm

    can’t argue with most of that, sb … but the market system we have now was never around in the 17th 18th or even 19th centuries … the world was controlled by the “elite” I mentioned in my earlier post … communism, socialism, fascism … were the result of royalism, colonialism, imperialism … all systems that eventually broke … what I’m saying is that the Über Kapitalism that now exists is being used to milk the peasants – once again …

    With regard the EU … the Americans don’t like it … because it represents a challenge to their dollar and buying power … there is a saying, divide and conquer … should the EU be operated by people who can manage the process it may be … a success … either that or it’ll break up and the continent will be at war within a generation.

  189. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 21, 2013 8:52 pm

    TB –

    1. You’re wrong
    2. You’re bigoted
    3. He supported Mussolini until about 1936. Are the 10% odd that swing away from the ALP at this election coming to be regarded as “supporters of Gillard”?
    4. More bigotry
    5. Pretty simple question really, especially for a union man
    6. One who hates women and would like to keep them in the kitchen would hardly encourage such academic and professional achievement in his own daughters now, would he?

    People can hate/dislike/disagree with historical figures all they like. But at least know why you dislike them. Kittylitter (and TB it would appear) seem to hate/dislike Santamaria simply because their fellow lefty travellers tell them it’s the thing to do.

  190. egg permalink
    May 22, 2013 8:06 am

    Its Time….

    ‘Tony Abbott is facing internal pressure from Victorian Liberals to privatise the ABC and SBS if he wins the September 14 election amid claims both organisations are struggling to comply with their charters.

    ‘State Liberals have launched a push ahead of the election to sell the public broadcasters, arguing the funds raised should be used to pay off government debt.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/state-liberals-propose-privatising-abc-sbs-20130521-2jz5d.html#ixzz2Ty2GWHPj

  191. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2013 9:47 am

    Janet A writing in the Oz is not a fan of Abbott’s PPL………

    “Abbott will earn three big cheers if, as Liberal prime minister, he gets our bloated middle-class welfare nation looking as trim as he does in a pair of Speedos. And he can start kicking the middle-class welfare habit by ditching his ludicrously generous paid parental leave policy.”

    I agree.

    Since when did government welfare cease being a “safety net” and become an income replacement ?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 10:03 am

    One who hates women and would like to keep them in the kitchen would hardly encourage such academic and professional achievement in his own daughters now, would he?

    Who says he encouraged them? You?

    I’m certainly not a woman but when I announced that I had a place at uni (I was 40) my father told me I was “just doing for my ego” … give credit to Santamaria’s daughters for their own intellect … not the “permission” of their father …

    Bigot? No just a pragmatist … I’ve seen and suffered the bigotry of Catholics all my life … pot calling the kettle methinks … you can’t avoid the thrust of many of your posts here, James …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Since when did government welfare cease being a “safety net” and become an income replacement ?

    Hear! hear! … egg, well said …

  193. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2013 10:26 am

    “Hear! hear! … egg, well said …”

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………

    My cover is blown…………………..LOL

  194. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 22, 2013 11:20 am

    Who says he encouraged them? You?

    No. His daughters. And his sons for that matter.

    you can’t avoid the thrust of many of your posts here, James …

    What’s that thrust? Defence of the Catholic Church? Try labelling the entire gay community in the derogatory manner you do Catholics and you’ll get an equally vigorous defence. Yet I am sure there are many gay men worthy of similar criticism.

    I’m certainly not a woman but when I announced that I had a place at uni (I was 40) my father told me I was “just doing for my ego” … give credit to Santamaria’s daughters for their own intellect … not the “permission” of their father …

    So because your father was a prick about education it stands to reason that Santamaria’s daughters collectively rebelled against their father who wanted them to be homemakers and went off to Uni instead. Must have caused a great family “split”. Funny, though, the photo of him with his five daughters in his book doesn’t appear that way.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2013 1:54 pm

    I had spent a lot of time on answering all of james questions when I got home from work last night [home at 11;30pm] then fell asleep with computer on lap, woke up and stumbled off to bed. Completely forgot to save or post it before shutting down.

    I will start again, perhaps won’t get through them all before leaving for work again though [feel like I’ve been given homework!]

    meanwhile – i’m still waiting for you to provide the evidence that I asked you for:
    …Kittylitter, it’s been well publicised that the Coalition didn’t know it was on for announcement/debate. Obviously, neither did the Indies or any ALP members or ministers except those seated immediately around the PM to give credence to her crocodile tears…

    Kittylitter –
    1. Do you know why Santamaria was exempted from war service?

    political influence

    2. Do you hate all Catholics?

    not the people, just the religion

    3. On what basis do you declare him a fascist?

    His support for mussolini and his fascist, totalitarian dictatorship. His own methods used to bring about his aims and goals.

    4. Do you consider all those born in 1915 and before to be misogynists or merely a product of their generation?

    Misogynists are misogynists no matter when they were born. Some use the shelter and protection of misogynistic religion to excuse or exonerate them from criticism for their own personal behaviour [eg paedophile priests, controlling men]. Gough whitlam was born in 1916 the same generation, he managed to serve in the air force and allow his wife to be very outspoken and activist on female equality and abortion etc.

    Do you apply the same standards to Muslims all over the world?

    What ‘standards’ are you talking about. You ask me a question and then before I’ve answered it, you are asking me about some preconceived ‘standards’. Sounds like you have already decided what I think [which is why you wrote your little list of questions in the first place].

    I don’t know how many times over the years [others may also recall] that I have declared my atheism and my belief that ALL religion is the problem, doesn’t matter what brand, they are all man made to control others and to oppress women. You have fairly recently [since the 9/11 hysteria] turned yourself into a christian warrior champion, you have completely swallowed the notion that there is this huge worldwide muslim threat, it is christians vs islam. Same as the days of santamaria but instead of the big fear of communism, it is the fear of muslims that the big brave catholic warriors are again rallying and agitating about.

    5. What was devious/unethical about generating a more active union membership?

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/counterpoint/the-power-of-bob-santamaria/3428178#transcript

    …Bruce Duncan: Yes, I think this was a great shock for Bob Santamaria, that he genuinely believed that he came up with a new model of church political action, and despite many warnings from church officials in Rome and elsewhere he persisted with this project. It got to the stage that the Bishops were completely split; they couldn’t even meet together, and finally Cardinal Gilroy appealed to the Vatican to intervene. A number of letters went back and forwards, and finally it went to Pope Pius XII, who intervened decisively, saying that the Movement was to be dissolved and that the church was to break all connections with the Movement; this was an illegitimate form of Catholic church based political action, the church shouldn’t be so directly involved in politics…

    … and the DLP, influenced by Santamaria, was very strongly inclined to be a negative party-it’s main political aim seemed to be to stop the Labor Party getting into government rather than to achieve anything of its own…

    6. Are you aware that each of his 5 daughters are University qualified and have been, to varying degrees, active participants in the workforce?

    So what? that is completely irrelevant and a fallacy.

    The variation of the old “I can’t be a racist, some of my best friends are black”
    “I can’t be sexist and misogynist, I’m a father of 5 daughters who go to uni and out to work”
    Men can be fathers of women and treat their own very lovingly and decently, doesn’t mean they can’t be sexist and misogynistic in their attitudes, behaviour and belief [tony abbott].

  196. grodo permalink
    May 22, 2013 3:29 pm

    My cover is blown… sockpuppet alert.

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 3:58 pm

    Ooops … I somehow doubt it, egg …

    apologies, Wally … I still agree … strongly!

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 4:16 pm

    TB it would appear) seem to hate/dislike Santamaria simply because their fellow lefty travellers tell them it’s the thing to do.

    James, people have never been able to tell me what to think or do … a lot have tried, particularly godbotherers like Santamaria – just another rich catlk … and I certainly don’t accept your one eyed take on the world around you …

    You may not understand the following satire, James … but it makes the point far better than I could …

  199. egg permalink
    May 22, 2013 4:22 pm

    I regularly visit sceptic blogs, where we talk about the weather and stuff…. like the cause of the Younger Dryas cooling around 9000 years ago. It has always been my contention that it was caused by an extraterrestrial bombardment.

    My sceptic colleagues thought that most unlikely, but now it seems I maybe on the money after all.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/21/widespread-evidence-of-cosmic-impact-documented-likely-cause-of-the-younger-dryas-cool-climate-episode/

  200. IPA address permalink
    May 22, 2013 4:37 pm

    If you think you’re having a bad day, watch this video of a guy in China having trouble with his scooter. 😯

    (Via Tim Blair)

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 4:56 pm

    Poor bugger … I noticed everyone helped him too … if that happened here he’d have been king hit by road ragers … I guess if the big bloke wafting about upstairs has it in for you … you’re pretty well fkd! 😈

  202. May 22, 2013 5:01 pm

    I thought Santamaria was a boat…? (Just sayin)

  203. May 22, 2013 5:08 pm

    ” I noticed everyone helped him too ..”

    The Chinese are like that. At least they are in China anyway..

    I was pleasantly surprised when one time buying a tea set in a small street-side shop in Beijing (as you do), a small group of bystanders gathered to watch the transaction take place and then all helped to carefully wrap the cups and teapot, find a suitable box to put them in and then crafted some carry handles with string.. There were about six of them all pitching in to help. Afterwards they wished us well with hand gestures and smiles and then they all just went their separate ways.

    It was a weird experience and quite at odds with the preconceived idea I had in my head that the Chinese would somehow be cold and calculating. They are in fact some of the most kindhearted people around. They get a bum rap from Western media.

  204. May 22, 2013 5:33 pm

    Pyne predicts Rudd will challenge…

    http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=874156&vId=

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 5:37 pm

    sreb, maybe its because they live, work and play in a society rather than survive in an economy?

    Should I read that link, sreb .. or not … that is the question … Pain was once just a shrill noise … now he’s just a shrill twat …

  206. May 22, 2013 5:40 pm

    “JULIA Gillard doesn’t get to lecture anyone on misogyny any more. Not with any credibility.”

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/opinion/pm-please-stop-hanging-with-kyle/story-fnh4jt5z-1226648426819

  207. May 22, 2013 5:42 pm

    “now he’s just a shrill twat …”

    That’s a bit unfair…

    I would’ve called him a snotty-nosed, condescending, shrill twat..

    A Rudd challenge is Labor’s only hope..

  208. IPA address permalink
    May 22, 2013 5:49 pm

    “A Rudd challenge is Labor’s only hope..”

    How come everyone in the known universe realises that except Gillard supporters? Or do they know but would prefer to go down with the stinking hulk than give their sworn enemy Rudd the satisfaction?

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 6:04 pm

    Kevin Kustard, nup … done his dash too … the Emperor has no clothes …

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2013 6:09 pm

    And just how would Penny Wong know what Kevvie’s up to? Or Polly Pyne for that matter …

    … one big gaffe from, Tony Abbott, a distinct possibility … and Turnbull, slips into the Libs driver seat and its goodbye, Gillard government, I’m afraid …

    In fact I’d be comfortable with that …

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2013 6:15 pm

    Statement from Spokesperson for the Hon Kevin Rudd MP:

    Mr Rudd has said consistently over the last 12 months that he would not challenge for the Labor leadership and that he would contest the next election as a local member of Parliament at the next election. That position has not changed.

    Furthermore, Mr Rudd wishes to make 100 per cent clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including his own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which he will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future.

  212. egg permalink
    May 22, 2013 6:37 pm

    Splatter that was in March and its still possible the backbench will demand he become PM… by acclimation.

    There was a betting plunge on Kev last month, but you can still get 4/1 that he will lead Labor to the election.

  213. May 22, 2013 7:31 pm

    I see that the so-called “Australian Independent Media” site now carries advertising..

    I wonder if the various authors and commentators will share in the site’s advertising revenues (after all it’s those people who put the effort in to keeping the site alive), or will Minglo Incorporated simply sit back and pocket the cash…..?

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2013 7:33 pm

    I’d still like to see Kev make a comeback. It would be the biggest setback for the hacks in 40 years.

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2013 7:38 pm

    The AIMN news cycle-

    • Monday – Abbott
    • Tuesday – Abbott and Howard
    • Wednesday – Murdoch, and how he owns Abbott
    • Thursday- Hockey likely to challenge Abbott
    • Friday – Howard
    • Saturday – Abbott
    • Sunday – some light relief (Abbott & Murdoch)

  216. IPA address permalink
    May 22, 2013 7:51 pm

    “Would it not be easier
    In that case for the government
    To dissolve the people
    And elect another?”
    ~ Bertolt Brecht

  217. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2013 9:55 pm

    “I see that the so-called “Australian Independent Media” site now carries advertising..”

    Mmmmmmmmm………

    I assume you are referring to the Writers Centre?

    Would that be correct reb ?

    I wonder if the Writers Centre values any grants from Barry or incoming Tony ?

  218. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2013 11:08 pm

    I trust no one of our regulars owns Apple shares.

    They now have a big tax problem

    They as a consequence have a “hip” and “caring” problem

    They also appear to be falling well behind in the techno space

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2013 1:09 am

    People can hate/dislike/disagree with historical figures all they like. But at least know why you dislike them. Kittylitter (and TB it would appear) seem to hate/dislike Santamaria simply because their fellow lefty travellers tell them it’s the thing to do.

    Can you let us own our own thoughts please? You set a series of stupid little questions after a santamaria reference was made by a commenter in a newspaper blog [note, not by TB or myself, I just quoted it].

    Then when we have the decency to give you our opinion, you disparage it as ‘just copying it from the lefties’ FFS. Don’t even bother asking for a comment from me in future, you just rattle off your boltisms in the same sneering tone and manner as him. Your arguments are just as ridiculously simplified as his – thelefttheleftthelefttheleft, same tired old culture wars which are an old fashioned leftover from the 1950’s mccarthyist/santamaria hysteria that is not even relevant to people these days.

    Most of your ‘arguments/attacks’ don’t even make sense, they are so illogical and clearly not well thought through, just a hodge-podge of ridicule, ignorance, bad manners and lacking in any grounded reality.

  220. Meta permalink
    May 23, 2013 1:32 am

    [Hi. [And, g’day [g’night/g’morning?]]]

  221. public toilet permalink
    May 23, 2013 2:45 am

    Guten tag!

  222. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 7:28 am

    ‘I’d love to live in a world where there’s an old couple giggling on the bus, dialled off their nuts and it would be safe for them to do it.

    ‘It’d surely give us something to look forward to because I know the prospect of golf, sing-a-longs and doctor’s appointments are not filling me with anticipation.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/culture/blogs/all-men-are-liars/senior-moments-20130522-2k01g.html#ixzz2U3izXZdM

  223. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 8:55 am

    just another rich Catholic

    Rich? What, born into wealth or Turnbull type rich?

  224. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 9:13 am

    Kittylitter, the Coalition have said they didn’t know it was up. That is supported by your picture which shows the Indies, the Green, and most of Labor absent too. Do you have an alternative explanation? One that makes logical sense?

  225. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 9:22 am

    Rumour has it that Ford’s a Goer.

  226. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 9:24 am

    ‘Most of your ‘arguments/attacks’ don’t even make sense’

    That’s a bit rich coming from you.

  227. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2013 9:27 am

    I think you mean a “goner”.

    From the Oz………………

    “FORD will abandon its Australian operations in 2016 in a massive blow to the nation’s manufacturing industry.

    The company will announce at 11am today that it will close its Broadmeadows and Geelong plants, in Victoria.”

    And that will be the end of our car industry as local suppliers to Ford will now need to cut back on their production/staff resulting in the loss of scale forcing up their prices to Holden and Toyota if they also supply to them or they’ll just shutdown.

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 9:54 am

    just another rich Catholic

    Rich? What, born into wealth or Turnbull type rich?

    If your going to quote me do it properly … just another rich catlk (sic)

    BTW … I haven’t seen a comment from you on Australia’s New Stolen generation?

    here’s a couple of questions for you

    1. What are your thoughts on gay marriage?

    2 Are you happy with the concept of gay parenting?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s a bit rich coming from you.

    Many of your “discussion” points are far more scrambled, egg …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Re Ford … its my understanding that Australia has more automotive marques available to purchasers than any other country in the world … with a population of 23 million there’s not a lot to go around …

    When I sold cars for 12 months in the 1970’s Nissan was happy with a 13% market share in Quuensland … I doubt they would be anywhere near that now …

  229. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 10:20 am

    ‘Many of your “discussion” points are far more scrambled, egg …’

    Very amusing, but I’ll need convincing.

  230. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 10:44 am

    A media release from Barnaby Joyce says ‘850 billion litres of water purchased through Federal Government buybacks has not been used according to an Australian Audit Office report, Commonwealth Environmental Watering Activities, released today.’

    ‘This is despite the Federal Government not expecting to acquire even half the Murray Darling Basin water it has deemed necessary for environmental watering purposes.

    ‘The Australian Government has bought an asset with borrowed money that the government does not know what to do with. This is a business plan very similar to that of the NBN. We are borrowing money from overseas to put people out of business, to make it harder to repay the money that Labor has borrowed.’

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 10:47 am

    A couple of muslims behead and dismember a British soldier in a London street shouting “Allahu Akbar” and stating “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you. The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

    In the interests of informative news the ABC manages to report the incident without mentioning “islam” or “muslims”. I suppose it is quite improper to discuss their vile primitive religious beliefs. That could not possibly help us understand their motives.

  232. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2013 10:53 am

    Yep Eg

    It seems pretty clear now that virtually the entire ALP can see a very bloody end coming in September and they are actively pursuing an agenda to wreck this Nation’s future as their final gesture of “up yours” to the electorate whilst content in the knowledge that they can simply waltz off on their lifelong indexed pensions pretty much cocooned from whatever the financial future brings.

    There simply is no other explanation for their contemptible conduct.

  233. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 10:56 am

    This government is delusional.

  234. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 11:33 am

    So, TB, that rich “Catlik” thing……

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 12:15 pm

    So, TB, that rich “Catlik” thing……

    Answer my questions for a change …

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2013 12:43 pm

    That’s a bit rich coming from you.

    Yours are even less so, the laughable CO2 ‘alternative theory’ and obsessive compulsion to litter these pages with the crap, credibility = zero

    james
    how many opposition members are in the photo? The picture tells the story no matter how much you try to defend the indefensible. besides, you don’t thin the disability sector have only been arguing their case for a couple of years do you? The coalition could have instigated a plan at any time while in office and it would have been genuinely welcomed by all – but it doesn’t fit with their ideology is it?

  237. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 12:48 pm

    I have, TB. See the other topic.

    Now about that rich Catlik thing.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2013 1:14 pm

    I suppose it is quite improper to discuss their vile primitive religious beliefs. That could not possibly help us understand their motives.

    As long as both sides of the story are told [remember that ‘balance’ thing] where muslim grievances are acknowledged and the vile truth is also told about western primitive religious belief and their own terrorising.

    Didn’t the instigator say it was all in the name of religion? [and you only have to read james christian vs islam] to know that, once again, it’s another case of religious turf wars.

    Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq:
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm

    …President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden’s stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians…

    …Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: “I’m driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, ‘George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.’ And I did, and then God would tell me, ‘George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,’ and I did.”

    And “now again”, Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, “I feel God’s words coming to me: ‘Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.’ And by God, I’m gonna do it.”…

    Sounds to me like the gods who both these sides claim they act in the name of, are very much the same, deliver the same amount of human misery. I’d prefer a ‘war on god,’ get rid of religion and the fight for superiority ‘my god is better than yours’ and we might see a better world for all people.

  239. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2013 1:14 pm

    “The picture tells the story no matter how much you try to defend the indefensible.”

    Utter Utter Crap

    This tells the story……………..

    http://ausvotes2013.com/2013/05/21/if-you-dont-know-how-parliament-works-dont-tweet-photos-of-it/comment-page-1/

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2013 1:51 pm

    And so does this comment [from the link you gave]

    …This was historic legislation – particularly for disabled people, their families and their carers. Some went to parliament especially to witness the introduction and the end – funding is important too. Whatever you say, to others this looks as though LNP didn’t care and for this ‘appearance’ alone they should have been there – if ‘only’ half of them.
    Your attitude and lack of understanding only reinforces the general feeling that this was of less importance to LNP than to left-wing parties and supporters, aided by the ‘if we can afford it’ utterances at various times…

  241. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2013 2:10 pm

    “Your attitude and lack of understanding only reinforces the general feeling that this was of less importance to LNP than to left-wing parties and supporters”

    KL

    The 3rd party comment you posted gets stuck into the LNP but conveniently neglects to mention No Adam Brandt and no Indies

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 2:17 pm

    “Your attitude and lack of understanding only reinforces the general feeling that this was of less importance to LNP than to left-wing parties and supporters”

    The said “general feeling” was that felt by lefty fingers playing with their genitalia as they spew highly emotional and completely illogical insults. How sad that grotesque moral exhibitionism trumps sanity in some quarters.

  243. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 2:27 pm

    Yours are even less so, the laughable CO2 ‘alternative theory’ and obsessive compulsion to litter these pages with the crap, credibility = zero

    If you had even bothered to come to my lectures its abundantly clear that CO2 does not cause global warming, its the other way round.

    This has profound philosophical and political implications for the whole planet.

  244. May 23, 2013 2:32 pm

    Go to your room egg!

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 2:47 pm

    Now about that rich Catlik thing. (catlik)

    Judging by this a lot of assistance from other “rich” catliks …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._A._Santamaria

    It seems to bother you …

  246. May 23, 2013 2:56 pm

    The Santamaria dude sounds like a real piece of work..

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 3:02 pm

    “‘The shooters had ”shot the shit out of the joint’

    Egg: Yeah, that was a complete disgrace.
    In NSW O’Farrell will keep the cowboys in check, not wanting to upset his mandate.”

    Looks like O’Barrell has his hands full:

    Police are looking for two men who bailed up a farmer at gunpoint and fired a warning shot near Orange after he caught them illegally hunting on his land.
    The 43-year-old property owner was working on his farm when he heard shots and then saw two men chasing kangaroos.

    This sort of inane ill-considered idiocy is the stuff of minority governments. No one voted to let gun nuts off the leash. No one wants it. Just like the Carbon Tax.

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 3:21 pm

    I don’t like hunters much. I don’t get the idea of killing animals for fun. I don’t even like recreational fishing. Maybe they could have well organised and regulated culling of pests, but this law seems hasty and ill-considered and will probably be repealed after enough people are killed.

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 3:32 pm

    The said “general feeling” was that felt by lefty fingers playing with their genitalia as they spew highly emotional and completely illogical insults. How sad that grotesque moral exhibitionism trumps sanity in some quarters.

    So which room are you in, sb? 😯

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This sort of inane ill-considered idiocy is the stuff of minority governments. No one voted to let gun nuts off the leash

    I agree …

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 3:34 pm

    But I forgot to say that the shooters were illegally hunting on his land

    So no fault of the government …

  251. grodo permalink
    May 23, 2013 3:49 pm

    Barry does have his hands full, nevertheless the people have confidence in him. As I mentioned before, we need tones Green Army to plan and execute the cull. Cowboys need not apply.

  252. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:10 pm

    The Rubber Room, TB.

    They may have been hunting illegally on his land, but they likely would not have been there or in the adjacent state forest without the change in law.

    Egg, I think only cowboys would apply. Although if you told Greenies that they were killing CO2 emitters, they would probably sign up. It would be more effective than any of their other stupid schemes.

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:16 pm

    … but they likely would not have been there or in the adjacent state forest without the change in law.

    Who knows, sb, it is 2013 …

    Note: I take it that link is a beer label?

  254. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:18 pm

    The reason I question the anti-Santamaria venom, Reb, is that many of his views are shared by many on the Left. Especially his overriding concerns about free market capitalism.

    Yet he is so utterly detested by the Left. Why? Because he is blamed for the Split in the ALP. Was he responsible? Perhaps in part. But really, it was Evatt, who suffered from a form of paranoia, who expelled the Groupers, which in turn handed back ALP influence to Communist sympathisers. It’s an ongoing struggle.

  255. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:20 pm

    There were some better images when I searched google for ‘rubber room’, but even I have standards.

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:24 pm

    “The reason I question the anti-Santamaria venom, Reb, is that many of his views are shared by many on the Left. Especially his overriding concerns about free market capitalism.”

    That is precisely the problem with Santamaria – he was a socialist.

    What he did really well was to take the fight to the commos who were infiltrating the ALP and unions. That was a fight worth having and he should be lauded for his efforts in that regard. All to often the left condemns those who stand for freedom and democracy and makes heroes of apologists for totalitarian regimes.

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:45 pm

    All to often the left condemns those who stand for freedom and democracy and makes heroes of apologists for totalitarian regimes.

    … he was a tub thumping Fuckwit™ … with his own agenda(s) … strange that he was such a fkn left wing hero that right wing rusteds are trying to protect his tarnished memory …

    GMAFB!

  258. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 4:58 pm

    So what was “his own agenda”?

    Would you have preferred he failed to defeat the Commies?

  259. IPA address permalink
    May 23, 2013 5:12 pm

    Bit of a bloodbath on the market today, Walrus. 🙄

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 5:17 pm

    “strange that he was such a fkn left wing hero”

    Of course he is not a left wing hero! He stood against communist dictatorships. The left will always hate you for that!

    OTOH if you are a recipient of the Order of Lenin like Manning Clark, or if you go to Stalin’s Russia and come home and write a book lauding it called “Journey Into the Future” like Frank Hardy or if you are fuckwit socialite like Jessie Street who falls for the communist myth then of course the left will love you. And if you are a commo you won’t be out of place in Whitlam’s cabinet.

    But if you had the guts to stand against the communists and support democracy then the left will hate and vilify you. That is what Santamaria got. He deserves respect for that at least even if he was an economic illiterate.

  261. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 5:19 pm

    Graham Bradley AM is replacing a couple of jerks at Infrastructure NSW. He’s well respected in the financial world, which will be a big plus.

  262. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2013 5:23 pm

    I wonder what the politics behind that was, egg?

  263. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 5:47 pm

    Not sure splatter … my guess it has something to do with Barry’s grand plan to build a bullet train to Canberra

  264. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 23, 2013 5:50 pm

    “Bit of a bloodbath on the market today, Walrus.”

    Yep IPA

    I’m still ahead 15% over the year but fast diminishing. I think it was oversold today especially Telstra. All based on Bernanke’s remarks on QE and the China PMI’s.

    If the $AUD is on its way down it will take a month for the market to settle as OS investors dump their stocks.

    Then everybody will suddenly realize……. “Hey…………..this lower $AUD is actually good for miners since they sell in $USD”

    So up we go again.

    My dumbest play was about 3 weeks ago when I started buying Newcrest in the low $16s. I sure got that wrong LOL

  265. egg permalink
    May 23, 2013 6:07 pm

    A few months ago we struck a deal with the Chinese, let’s recognise each other’s currencies and leave the us dollar out of the equation…. and this was Bradley’s thinking at the time. The ‘partnership agreements’ is why Barry is grooming him for iNSW.

    ‘HSBC Australian and Stockland chairman Graham Bradley said the deal could help exporters outside of the mining sector to increase trade to China.

    “The economies of Australia and China are going to become more integrated and not just in terms of commodities, but hopefully in areas like the sale of services,” Mr Bradley said.

    “I don’t think we are getting the full benefits out of the China boom that we could be at the moment. It is still relatively early days and there is a long way to go,” he said.

    “It is the situation where every sector of the Australian economy has an opportunity in China, be that in direct trade or investment or through partnership agreements.”

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2013 6:43 pm

    Would you have preferred he failed to defeat the Commies?

    Don’t start making comment on my behalf, James … a habit you have that constantly fails …

    Maybe Santamaria should have promoted women’s rights in the catlik church …

    Really WGAF! I don’t …

    Here’s your hero in action …

  267. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 23, 2013 7:31 pm

    Nice video, TB, not sure I get your point.

  268. IPA address permalink
    May 23, 2013 11:09 pm

    Unsurprisingly, global warming climate change activist Tony Jones on Lateline interviews global warming climate change activist Bill McKibben who is soon to grace Australia with his presence to warn investors of the perils – both economic and moral – of investing in companies involved in fossil fuels. Thank Christ everybody’s stopped listening to these morons now the decadally stable temperature has taken the “heat” out of the “debate”.

  269. IPA address permalink
    May 23, 2013 11:29 pm

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 1:59 am

    All to often the left condemns those who stand for freedom and democracy and makes heroes of apologists for totalitarian regimes.

    santamaria was the apologist for mussolini’s totalitarian fascism.

    And santamaria was in no way advocating for freedom and democracy, his was an autocratic, manipulative and controlling leadership which even his own followers eventually turned against. If he did, [stand for freedom & democracy], he would have allowed the communists to be defeated at the ballot box, not creating a secret, catholic mafiosa organisation to destroy the party he tried to control. If he was advocating freedom and democracy he would have started his own political party and offer that up to the electorate.

    And nothing has changed since, the catholic mafia is still operating in the political parties, embedded in the public service and in every institution in the country. The general public would be shocked to know the amount of political religious activism there is in this country. It is still kept secret, otherwise the religious affiliations of all politicians would be disclosed to the public so that we may make a more informed choice in elections. Don’t think the catholic mafia isn’t right now protecting tony abbott’s back from any possible blip in their never ending quest for the power to control how people live their lives.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/how-tony-abbott-laboured-over-choice-of-party/story-fn59niix-1226494801586

    …In it, Abbott confessed he was sick of the NCC criticising unwelcome social and political trends from the sidelines. He wanted to change society by working from within. This meant sharing the fears and concerns of the “common herd”. It was crucial to “make the compromises that life requires, be wrong, get blood on one’s hands – but at least be in it”.

    For “vigorous, self-starting people” such as himself, the real issue was to secure a direct parliamentary presence. NCC people needed to “coalesce around leading individuals in the major parties”…

    “…The reason I question the anti-Santamaria venom, Reb, is that many one of his views are shared by many some on the Left. Especially his overriding concerns about free market capitalism…”

    The left may share his anti capitalist view but for entirely different reasons, unequal share of the rewards, depleting natural resources etc vs santamaria’s breakdown of the family unit because women work and people not godbothering on the sabbath etc. santamaria was against female equality and social progress.

  271. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:58 am

    ‘Thank Christ everybody’s stopped listening to these morons now the decadally stable temperature has taken the “heat” out of the “debate”.

    Nice line ToSY.

  272. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:37 am

    The Oz reporting what Costello will say tonight at a gala dinner.

    ‘Mr Costello is expected to tell the gathering the Coalition will find itself, if it is elected, in a situation “very similar to the circumstances the last Coalition government inherited in 1996”.

    “The incoming government in 1996 faced a budget deficit forecast at 1.5 per cent of GDP and net debt around 19 per cent of GDP,” Mr Costello will say.

    “Wayne Swan’s budget of last week shows a budget deficit forecast for next year at 1.1 per cent of GDP and net debt at 11 per cent of GDP.

    “It took the last Coalition government a decade to clear Labor debt and set up the Future Fund which is now holding $85 billion.”

  273. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:44 am

    ‘And nothing has changed since, the catholic mafia is still operating in the political parties, embedded in the public service and in every institution in the country.’

    Compared to the jihadists the so called catlick mafia is benign…. get a life.

  274. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 24, 2013 9:10 am

    “Lateline interviews global warming climate change activist Bill McKibben who is soon to grace Australia with his presence to warn investors of the perils – both economic and moral – of investing in companies involved in fossil fuels……..”

    IPA

    I’ll put my Santos and Woodside money on the table and see your foreign lunatic and raise you a 100% homegrown lunatic.

    I present to you Christine Milne and her plan to slash electricity prices by creating a new $400M government agency with lunatic policies…………

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/greens-promise-electricity-prices-to-drop-under-proposed-review/story-fnho52ip-1226649500714

  275. May 24, 2013 9:33 am

    I start 5 weeks holidays this morning, having just finished my last N/S…so, I’m gonna be able to intrude into this space & make a nuisance of myself a bit more often. Woe be unto the Boltlickers, Pantswetters, Jingosturbators & Krauthumpers!

    I’m going to see, Cattle Decapitation, when they tour Australia for the first time in a few weeks. Anyone else going? or are y’all too limp? 😆

    Now, time for a few hours sleep, before arising this arvo for a bender, 18 months in the making! 😯

    And, for your edification, CATTLE DECAPITATION…

  276. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 9:45 am

    ‘…or are y’all too limp?’

    That’s a bit below the belt. Young people these days have no respect.

  277. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 9:55 am

    santamaria was the apologist for mussolini’s totalitarian fascism.

    Breathtaking in its ignorance of Mussolini, Italian political history, and Santamaria’s view on both. Kittylitter, if you knew anything of the subject, then you would come to a shock realisation that you are in fact a far bigger apologist for Mussolini’s various policies and actions than Santamaria ever was.

    And santamaria was in no way advocating for freedom and democracy, his was an autocratic, manipulative and controlling leadership which even his own followers eventually turned against. If he did, [stand for freedom & democracy], he would have allowed the communists to be defeated at the ballot box, not creating a secret, catholic mafiosa organisation to destroy the party he tried to control. If he was advocating freedom and democracy he would have started his own political party and offer that up to the electorate.

    So it’s ok for the Communists to take over the trade union movement and the ALP by stealth, but not ok for their opponents to oppose such a thing in the same manner. The point at that time, Kittylitter, was that a Communist controlled union movement and ALP was unelectable. As was proven in the ensuing years when they’d booted out their opponents. They were defeated at the ballot box. Santamaria at that point was fighting for an electable ALP that represented workers, as opposed to an ALP that represented a dangerous political idealogy.

    And nothing has changed since, the catholic mafia is still operating in the political parties, embedded in the public service and in every institution in the country. The general public would be shocked to know the amount of political religious activism there is in this country. It is still kept secret, otherwise the religious affiliations of all politicians would be disclosed to the public so that we may make a more informed choice in elections. Don’t think the catholic mafia isn’t right now protecting tony abbott’s back from any possible blip in their never ending quest for the power to control how people live their lives.

    CATHOLIC!!!!! MAFIA!!!!! HATE HATE HATE!!!!! If your so called “Catholic Mafia” were so powerful, do you think the abortion laws would be as they are? Government funded abortion on demand right up until birth? Do you reckon “no fault divorce” would be law? If they were so in control and so misogynist, do you think we’d have that utterly incompetent female atheist running the show right now?

    Honestly, read up on some political history. Start by reading this to get a bit of background on the bloke.

    http://www.australianbiography.gov.au/subjects/santamaria/interview2.html

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 10:32 am

    Compared to the jihadists the so called catlick mafia is benign…. get a life.

    No, just more sophisticated … a bit like the gung ho USA imperialism… compared to the covert commercialism of China …

    Both seek power and control over the masses …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Living isn’t in books and knowledge always has two sides …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m really getting pissed of with this school (CHRISTIAN) chaplaincy shit in state schools!

    Nothing more than missionaries … wandering around in purple shirts with chaplain embroided all over them and why TWO at my g/kids local state primary school is beyond me …

    Employ counsellors by all means but the schools should remain secular …

    My youngest g/son a nine year old believes in angels and devils, heaven and hell … the rest of my immediate family (10 of us) just tell him it isn’t real … but HOW does he get this knowledge … well I have a copy of the New Testament given to me by an older g/son who attened the same school …

    This morning a small, silver SUV sponsored by Black & White cabs drove past a chequered purple and yellow band around it and Chaplaincy writ large and the same two “chaplains” in the front …

  279. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 24, 2013 10:49 am

    Dont you just hate it when the morning newspapers are late arriving on your doorstep.

    Now waiting for the Missus to finish ironing the creases out of them.

    I was going to say something about mysogny but I just forgot what it was……….

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 11:32 am

    KL the distinction is quite clear – Santamaria supported democracy. The extreme left supported totalitarian forms of government. Take Lee Rhiannon. When the Soviets sent the tanks into Czechoslovakia she left the CPA for the hardline pro-Soviet SPA over that issue. It is no surprise that she has found a home with the Greens.

    Communism in all its manifestations represented a jackboot on the face of humanity. Sanatamaria to his credit vigorously opposed the communists. He had plenty of other faults, but he is infinitely superior to the communists he opposed. Totalitarians of all stripes deserve our undying contempt. Santamaria at least was not one of those.

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 11:42 am

    Whya are Tories so obsessed with Communism … once again WGAF!

    No-one here supports communism … its just a look over there constantly applied in any argument …

    Santamaria is dead, he’s carked it, gone to the faeries in the sky, deceased, gone … and the world has moved on …

    Totalitarians of all stripes deserve our undying contempt.

    So you won’t be voting for, Tony Abbott, then …

    Communism in all its manifestations represented a jackboot on the face of humanity.

    I suggest you read more about the British Empire … and also a book by Max Hastings, Winston Churchill’s War … particularly the bit about India … Churchill was a Tory I believe …

    (Disclaimer: This is not intended to support communism … I happen to be Australian … I prefer democratic government … if it ever happens here again …)

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 12:39 pm

    I start 5 weeks holidays this morning, having just finished my last N/S…so, I’m gonna be able to intrude into this space & make a nuisance of myself a bit more often.

    Thank goodness for that!

    I was going to say something about mysogny but I just forgot what it was……….

    I think you are confusing misogyny with dementia.

    Kittylitter, if you knew anything of the subject, then you would come to a shock realisation that you are in fact a far bigger apologist for Mussolini’s various policies and actions than Santamaria ever was.

    Stop telling me what I think, you’re never right.

    CATHOLIC!!!!! MAFIA!!!!! HATE HATE HATE!!!!! If your so called “Catholic Mafia” were so powerful, do you think the abortion laws would be as they are? Government funded abortion on demand right up until birth? Do you reckon “no fault divorce” would be law? If they were so in control and so misogynist, do you think we’d have that utterly incompetent female atheist running the show right now?

    Oh, they’d love to have it, they just know the public would not tolerate it for a minute.

    Snacty just proves my case, the prosecution rests while the defence rants.

  283. IPA address permalink
    May 24, 2013 12:43 pm

    Fox News boss Roger Ailes responds to FBI’s seizure at the Justice Department’s request of the phone and email records of Fox News employees.

  284. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 12:45 pm

    I know what you think, KL. you write it on here. But do you know what Mussolini thought? Or Santamaria? I linked something above for you. It’s just a start.

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 12:52 pm

    Whya are Tories so obsessed with Communism … once again WGAF!

    I know, but if you read between the bedwetting, it’s all about fearmongering and propaganda as organised campaign for governmental control. That is what the right does, that is ALL they do, their whole election campaign and strategy is built around fear. They have to scare the public into voting for them. If they actually came clean and told the public what they plan to do when in office, they would never be voted in.
    Terrorists = communists, ‘teh left’ = communists, anti capitalism = communist, anti liberal party = communist, anti religion = communist, climate change = communism, feminism = communism, equality = communism.

    The whole world is one giant communist plot against good god fearing christian people who must be ever vigilant against this tremendous threat to global corporate exploitation and profiteering – “praise the lord and pass the ammo.”

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 1:03 pm

    I know what you think, KL. you write it on here. I linked something above for you. It’s just a start.

    It’s what you think that is frightening!

    But do you know what Mussolini thought? Or Santamaria?

    You know what? I don’t even care what they thought. You’re the one that as been trying to make a big argument for st. santamaria who was basically a religious nutter who set out to have catholic rule over the australian public via devious political means.

    He was no friend of the left or females as you try to make out and that is patently obvious by the body of work he left behind. Don’t know why you bother.

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 1:27 pm

    KL the distinction is quite clear – Santamaria supported democracy. The extreme left supported totalitarian forms of government.

    Funny how history proves differently, you cannot claim that santamaria had in any way supported democracy when his actions and methods say the opposite. He appears to have supported fascism and used fascist methods to gain power and control.

    If you take the defining features of fascism:

    http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

    I would argue that we live under fascist rule now. The democracy that you so admire is just an illusion, democracy has been so bastardised by the politicians and the wealthy that we are governed by a fascist plutocracy.

  288. grodo permalink
    May 24, 2013 1:28 pm

    Santamaria feared and loathed the Commos… and as things have panned out, he was correct. Its just a coincidence he was also a catlick.

  289. grodo permalink
    May 24, 2013 1:35 pm

    Kitty that last par is … thought provoking and I like the link. Give us something to debate.

  290. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 1:40 pm

    “I would argue that we live under fascist rule now. The democracy that you so admire is just an illusion, democracy has been so bastardised by the politicians and the wealthy that we are governed by a fascist plutocracy.”

    OK. I give up. I cannot possibly win this argument. By the way, what colour is the sky in your world?

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 2:29 pm

    OK. I give up. I cannot possibly win this argument.

    Not an argument of our making … ask, James, why he brought it up?

    He also thinks, Tony Abbott, has to open his arse to change the colour of the sky … and Winston Churchil was a demi-god and John Winston superman, and Joh Bjelke Peterson delivered Queensland from its sins … but hey WGAF?

    Nonsense questions, deserve nonsense answers …

    And as our guide in Egypt constantly told us … nothing is new …

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 2:45 pm

    “Nonsense questions, deserve nonsense answers …”

    Didn’t ask any nonsense questions but I got nonsense answers in spades.

    “Just read after the obvious </i."

    It doesn’t make it any better!

  293. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 2:50 pm

    TB if you go to Kitty’s ‘Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism’ you will agree that none of them are related to Australia.

    Which begs the question…

  294. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:00 pm

    TB if you go to Kitty’s ‘Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism’ you will agree that none of them are related to Australia.

    You must live in a different country to me. I can’t think of one of those that doesn’t apply to australia, even more so when a conservative government is in power.

  295. May 24, 2013 3:04 pm

    Gee thanks Julia… 🙄

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:08 pm

    OK. I give up. I cannot possibly win this argument. By the way, what colour is the sky in your world?

    grey with storm clouds gathering.

    http://theconversation.com/edl-uses-an-old-playbook-to-spread-message-of-hate-14611

    …As I wrote a few years ago, fear and anxiety quickly feed each other thereby creating the disposition to speculate and exaggerate about ever greater fears and threats that seem to be lurking just around the corner.

    With today’s newspapers carrying the headline, “You people will never be safe”, it becomes very easy for people who are scared and anxious to consume this as an unquestionable reality.

    For the EDL – whose Facebook page has seen its supporters increase threefold overnight to more than 75,000 – that indeed is an unquestionable reality. In echoing the rhetoric of Norway’s Anders Breivik, not only will “we” never be safe from Islam and Muslims, but we need to “wake up” to this…

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:20 pm

    “The Labor Government has more than doubled Federal spending from $132 to $269 per person. TeamJG”

    Is this a pitch for the welfare vote?

  298. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:25 pm

    Just so you know, Kittylitter, there is no such person as Dr Lawrence Britt, Political Scientist.

    There is a Laurence Britt (not doctor), novelist, who wrote that list as part of an article he wrote for some secular humanist magazine. Ace.

    What he left off that list conveniently, was that one single fundamental thing that gives cause to facism, economic chaos.

    Now back to Santamaria. You raised him. You quoted (although I didn’t know it at the time) a piece that linked Abbott to Santamaria as part of an argument as to why Abbott is no good. Then you gave support to this by saying that Santamaria was a Mussolini apologist.

    Then you wished the pantswetters would shut up about their ancient history.

    As had already occurred in Spain, the alternative to Mussolini’s facism was Stalinist Communism. The facists under Franco won, as did the facists under Mussolini. The unspeakable horrors committed by both sides in Spain were largely avoided. Had the Commies won in Spain and Italy, the result would have been catastrophic for all of Europe, not just Eastern Europe as we saw. To prefer Mussolini and Franco over their Communist alternatives is not to apologise for them, but to acknowledge that it was going to be one or the other. Citizens were starving in Italy when Mussolini took power. He restored a sense of social order which meant the economy could reasonably tick over and people could get fed.

    Santamaria’s support (to the extent you can call it that) of Mussolini ended the day Mussolini decided to support Hitler. Mussolini’s support of Hitler ended Santamaria’s “support”. Again, Santamaria was right, because that alliance facilitated the wholesale slaughter of WW2.

  299. May 24, 2013 3:35 pm

    Don’t forget, snacty, is also an apologist for Pinochet; with much the same kind of rationale as that immediately above.

  300. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:41 pm

    What he left off that list conveniently, was that one single fundamental thing that gives cause to facism, economic chaos.

    Economic chaos caused by the greed of the wealthy, it eventually destroys all and collapses upon itself. Then the fearful wealthy seek to plunder the state for more to feed its ravenous and insatiable addictions. The wealthy and the government collude to control any popular peoples uprising due to the imposed austerity measures and socialised re-funding of wealth by fascist means.

  301. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:42 pm

    KL here is what you said:

    “I would argue that we live under fascist rule now.”

    I sort of get this point about the current Unionland government. It is shameful that we have a grubby PM currently under police investigation. And it is shameful that that grubby PM supported for so long the grub from Dobell. And it is shameful that a former president of the ALP is up on criminal charges. And it is shameful that Cameron and Albanese had to front ICAC to explain why they kept the corrupt McDonald in parliament with their dirty factional deals. “Realpolitik” Albanese called it.

    But that is more business-as-usual Unionland corruption than fascism. Underpants Conroy took a few steps in the fascist direction with his internet filter and his attempt to censor the press. But in the end he failed in his proto-fascist coup.

    I also understand that the minority partners in this government, the Greens, are of a totalitarian bent. That is hardly surprising given that the Greens are populated by old commos like Rhiannon and Bandt. But that is a slightly different form of fascism. I wouldn’t take Clive Hamilton’s musings on the need to suspend democracy too seriously – he, like the rest of his party, is a useless fuckwit.

    And I guess you can see a few storm clouds forming when union thugs get into bed with criminal bike gangs as seems to be happening now with the CFMEU and the Comancheros.

    But even despite this we are still a long way from fascism. So cheer up. It is not so bad. Soon Abbott will make good on his promise to start draining the Unionland sewer.

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:45 pm

    TB if you go to Kitty’s ‘Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism’

    I’m inclined to agree with KL, that those points (in varying degrees) could easily apply to our present “democracy” …

  303. grodo permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:50 pm

    I can’t see that TB.

  304. IPA address permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:52 pm

    “The Labor Government has more than doubled Federal spending from $132 to $269 per person. TeamJG”

    That’s got to be satire, doesn’t it? You can’t tell me the prime minister of Australia actually thinks that’s a positive, and boasts about it on twitter? God save us!

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:53 pm

    Splatterbottom
    May 24, 2013 3:42 pm

    Oh, I forgot, unions = communist.

    So you went away, had a little think and that is the best you could come up with?

    I woulda stuck with

    OK. I give up 🙂

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:56 pm

    Again, Santamaria was right, because that alliance facilitated the wholesale slaughter of WW2.

    And you need to read a bit more WWII history … before you get to far ahead of yourself … FYI, Mussolini’s involvement in WWII was a spit in the ocean …

    Soon Abbott will make good on his promise to start draining the Unionland sewer

    Yep, they’ve made a start up here in España Queensland … I suspect we’ll see a further expansion as Deutschland Australia changes Federal government … 😛

  307. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:57 pm

    Don’t forget, snacty, is also an apologist for Pinochet; with much the same kind of rationale as that immediately above.

    If understanding a political circumstance in the context of surrounding political circumstances is apologistic, then I am an apologist. For Mussolini, for Franco, for Pinochet, for the US as a whole. Mussolini, Franco, and Pinochet were all cnts, but unfortunately the alternatives to them were all bigger cnts. I’ll take the lesser cnt every time. The US may be an ogre of a regime/world power, but I’ll take them over Communist Russia, Communist China, Imperial Japan or any other alternative you care to name. What I am not is an absolutist. Kittylitter is. “Santamaria preferred the Franco and Mussolini regimes over the alternatives, therefore he was a fascist”. It’s false, it’s intellectually barren, and it’s straight out of Green Left Weekly.

  308. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:57 pm

    “As had already occurred in Spain, the alternative to Mussolini’s fascism was Stalinist Communism.”

    I get that Franco may have been the best of a bad bunch. He was certainly better than the Stalinists, and as a consequence Spain had it better than the Eastern Bloc countries. But there were other choices.

    Orwell (hardly a Stalinist) fought with the POUM (basically Trots) and was fired on by both the fascists and the Stalinists.

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:58 pm

    I can’t see that TB.

    Keep trying, egg … 😆

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 3:59 pm

    Don’t forget, snacty, is also an apologist for Pinochet; with much the same kind of rationale as that immediately above.

    cons love a good totalitarian fascist regime.

    fascism = good, democratic socialism = communist = bad

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:00 pm

    “So you went away, had a little think and that is the best you could come up with?”

    I was just trying to cheer you up. 😀

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:02 pm

    Orwell (hardly a Stalinist) fought with the POUM (basically Trots) and was fired on by both the fascists and the Stalinists.

    That’s the problem with civil wars …

    (Should I have put a sarc alert on my post @ 3:56 … for the pseudo intellectuals amongst us?)

  313. May 24, 2013 4:04 pm

    Stop adding nuance to snacty’s black & white apologetics, splatter. You’ll give him a headache & blur the lines of ‘Teh Good Fight’.

  314. May 24, 2013 4:05 pm

    l mostly agree with armchairs points.
    Teabagism, which is being played out across the world, is stopping `just-short` of fascism in many aspects. While employers are not allowed to beat or shoot workers, like in days past, we do have the dismantling of `systems` and the fire-sale of Govt owned infrastructure, that is not to the greater/public/future-Govt good.

  315. May 24, 2013 4:07 pm

    “If understanding a political circumstance in the context of surrounding political circumstances is apologistic, then I am an apologist. ”

    I’m not sure that that’s how I’d describe your ‘alignment’.

    Easy (for all of us) to sermonise & advocate from afar (in distance & time) when we didn’t have to live under Franco or Pinochet.

  316. May 24, 2013 4:08 pm

    “While employers are not allowed to beat or shoot workers”

    You say that like it was a bad thing.

  317. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:08 pm

    And you need to read a bit more WWII history … before you get to far ahead of yourself … FYI, Mussolini’s involvement in WWII was a spit in the ocean …

    Yeah of course, TB. The Africa campaign was meaningless. /sarc

    But I was more referring to the diplomatic manouverings leading up to the conflict.

    Maybe you should do some more reading.

  318. May 24, 2013 4:13 pm

    “‘…or are y’all too limp?’

    That’s a bit below the belt. Young people these days have no respect.

    I meant it, tongue in cheek, not to be insulting.

    I considered using ‘cowardly’ instead of ‘limp’, but thought the latter was less offensive. *shrug…[sleep deprived]

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:16 pm

    But I was more referring to the diplomatic manouverings leading up to the conflict.

    Hitler thought Mussolini was a Fuckwit™ (maybe ’cause Bob supported him 🙄 ) … and Mussolini declared war to win a bit of land, against Hitler’s wishes …

    … as for “diplomatic manouverings” Mussolini couldn’t drive a fkn nail let alone manouvre anything …

    I recommend Max Hastings’ books to you too … someone else has read his books here, Wally, I think …

  320. May 24, 2013 4:18 pm

    ‘ You say that like it was a bad thing. `
    the `unions-boo` club think we should work for 2-bucks a day and be grateful, so that poor gina can make 900-bucks a second, she is really struggling on 600-bucks a second and had to raid her kids trust-fund

  321. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:20 pm

    Orwell is one of the giants whose shoulders we stand upon today.

    [wiki]
    In Part 2 of The Road to Wigan Pier, published by the Left Book Club, Orwell stated: “a real Socialist is one who wishes – not merely conceives it as desirable, but actively wishes – to see tyranny overthrown.”

    yep, somehow I can never see that as a bad thing.

    …the other crucial dimension to Orwell’s socialism was his recognition that the Soviet Union was not socialist. Unlike many on the left, instead of abandoning socialism once he discovered the full horror of Stalinist rule in the Soviet Union, Orwell abandoned the Soviet Union and instead remained a socialist—indeed he became more committed to the socialist cause than ever.”[58]

    That is a real thinker.

  322. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:20 pm

    Orwell’s Spain experience shaped much of his thinking. He fought with the Socialists (as he thought) against the Fascists only to find he was under attack for not being left enough.

    Toilet, I’d hate to live under either type of regime (I fkn LOVE how Kittylitter describes Australia as fascist. If so, bring on fascism every day of the week!!!!). I just get tired of the populist leftie Allende good/Pinochet bad that covers so much of the discourse. Allende was a mongrel who had sent Chile on a path to economic destruction.

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:23 pm

    The Africa campaign was meaningless. /sarc

    You almost got that right but then did /sarc 🙄

    So what did Mussolinin achieve?

    as for the Allies – In the scheme of WWII the African Campaign was “meaningless”, it was a political strategy for morale consumption because the Allies did not have the resources to land in Europe …

  324. May 24, 2013 4:25 pm

    Allende tried to nationalise resources, stupidly placing them outside of the control of the far more deserving US corporate interests who were entitled to them via Manifest Destiny. Naughty Allende.
    That was a huge mistake. He should have known, based upon other similar events in South America, that such attempts at autonomy would never be tolerated. Got his self killed, him did. Benevolent General Pinochet rode in on a white CIA horse to save the people from themselves.

    Yeah, populist leftism….[cough].

  325. May 24, 2013 4:27 pm

    It was Kissinger (from memory) who ordered his machinators to “make their economy scream”…& scream they made it. Allende’s fault, of course.

  326. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:27 pm

    …and had to raid her kids trust-fund

    LMAO

    don’t know why she’s not up for neglect and abuse 🙂

    but the tories love her…don’t they notice that she’s a bad bad mother?
    Guess all that money shines so bright it dazzles and blinds them to her strange little ways.

  327. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:28 pm

    Kittylitter…….

    Orwell good, Santamaria bad…….

    Oh dear deity………they were fighting the same battle ffs.

  328. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:31 pm

    Allende tried to nationalise resources

    So did Stalin…….if you want to play that game.

    And did the same to those who resisted as Stalin.

    Great bloke that Allende.

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:34 pm

    Oh dear deity………they were fighting the same battle ffs.

    Is every soldier who goes to war a clone of each other?

    ffs, they are two completely different people, would hardly call fkn santamaria a fkn socialist eh?

  330. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:35 pm

    “Orwell is one of the giants whose shoulders we stand upon today.”

    I heartily agree with this!

    Underpants Conroy needs to re-read 1984, but this time not as a manual.

    He was one of the few leftists prepared to stand up against totalitarianism in all its forms.

    He also had good advice on writing:

    • Never use a metaphor, simile or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
    • Never use a long word where a short one will do.
    • If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
    • Never use the passive where you can use the active.
    • Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
    • Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous

  331. May 24, 2013 4:37 pm

    snacty want to have it all ways.
    Spain had a civil war already going, before ww2 started.
    While they formed an axis, hitler and mussolini were despots, but did NOT have exact ideology. Hitler was all about `master-race`. Mussolini was fascist. Spain`s leader turned out to be a despot too, but different ideology to Hitler, tho he did get some bombing done on his behalf from the Luftwaffe.

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:41 pm

    snacty want to have it all ways

    snacty fights like a whirling dervish, then he knocks himself out.

  333. May 24, 2013 4:48 pm

    snacty, comparing ww2 europe to anything in south-america is quite bullshit really. Most of the despots in south-america have been installed/deposed by the yanks, or groups the yanks created, armed or stirred up.

  334. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:49 pm

    ‘I meant it, tongue in cheek, not to be insulting.’

    That’s how I took it … I was trying to enlarge upon it, without a smiley face.

  335. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 24, 2013 4:52 pm

    So the WW2 campaigns in North Africa were meaningless ay……………….

    I wonder if the poor bastards from both sides laying in graves trying to get to and defending the Suez Canal were aware of that ?

    And if the Suez Canal was meaningless during a war how did it possibly become so important in the early 1950s peacetime that the Poms and French tried to occupy it ?

  336. May 24, 2013 4:57 pm

    actually snacty, the yank colonial power has been stuffing up democratic countries and sponsoring despots in the middle-east and south-america , which does make them responsible to some degree , and impoverishes any message of `peace` `justice` or `democracy` the yanks try to spout.

  337. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:10 pm

    ffs, they are two completely different people, would hardly call fkn santamaria a fkn socialist eh?

    You wouldn’t know. You’ve never bothered to find out anything about him.

  338. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:13 pm

    730, read the argument before getting involved in it. From what you’ve written, you have no idea what we’re arguing about.

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:20 pm

    I wonder if the poor bastards from both sides laying in graves trying to get to and defending the Suez Canal were aware of that ?</i.

    Yes, Wally, it did cross my mind that word was incorrect … my point (don't what, James meant) was that Mussolinin entering WWII was not a "deciding factor" – it was well underway …

    Most of the "action" in Africa was fought because Russia "expected" a sSecond front from Britain and the US … Britain and US couldn't land in Europe – lack of resources …

    In fact Britain's early years in the war were a disaster for the army … it was the Australians that held on to Tobruk and the Afrika Corps eventually simply bypassed them …

    But I do take your point re fallen soldiers on both sides …

    … but decisions that were made were for political reasons rather than strategic, particularly by the British (not that objectives like Suez and even Cairo at one stage were not strategic)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Vietnam was another colonial/imperialist US stuff up …

  340. May 24, 2013 5:22 pm

    snacty, l have followed the thread, and l understand you are making comparisons that are a little bit bullshit. Perron, Pinochet and a pile of other despots were yank backed/installed, more similar to Iraq and Iran, and not really anything like Germany, Spain or Italy pre-ww2 , which is a little bit bullshit on your behalf.

  341. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:28 pm

    “so that poor gina can make 900-bucks a second, she is really struggling on 600-bucks a second and had to raid her kids trust-fund”

    Actually you are wrong. She was trying to prevent it “vesting”.

    I’d try and explain that to you but that would be in vain I suspect. LOL

  342. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:35 pm

    She actually ended up vesting it.

  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:36 pm

    You wouldn’t know. You’ve never bothered to find out anything about him.

    …Oh dear deity………they were fighting the same battle ffs…

    You actually just said that orwell and santamaria were on the same side, they were fighting the same battle.

    for starters, orwell actually went to spain, did santamaria?

    orwell supported the republicans and santamaria supported the nationalists, he supported both fascists franco and mussolini.

    orwell is a commited socialist while santamaria spends his life opposing socialism, communism and anything socially progressive like equality of people.

    yeah, I can see how they are just one and the same.

  344. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:43 pm

    Yes SP

    I meant in the early stages.

    She certainly did not “raid” it

    If I’d put the full story in front of 730 its brain would have exploded.

    Mind you given its demonstrated size it would have had the explosive effect of a fart from a camel’s flea I suspect

  345. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:49 pm

    “santamaria spends his life opposing socialism, communism and anything socially progressive like equality of people.”

    Santamaria was in fact a socialist. That is where he went wrong.

    Opposing communism is a very good thing indeed. It is supporters of communism who are truly disgusting. I’ve never seen suggestion that Santamaria opposed equality of people.

    Santamaria was a catholic, but there is nothing wrong with that, especially compared with supporting totalitarian regimes which killed 100 million people which is what commos did.

  346. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:51 pm

    As I said, TB, I was more talking about the strategic stuff not whether the little Ities were good soldiers. WW2 might have looked a little different had the Allies been able to launch their ops from Northern Spain and Italy. That Mussolini sided with Hitler and Spain stayed “neutral” gave a huge advantage to Hitler.

    Italy was very relevant.

  347. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:57 pm

    I’ve never seen suggestion that Santamaria opposed equality of people.

    he opposed feminism and homosexuality

    are women and gays not people?

    Santamaria was in fact a socialist. That is where he went wrong.

    I say rubbish to that, santamaria opposed free market ideology, that doesn’t make him a socialist. All the rest of his activism suggests extreme right totalitarian ideology.

  348. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:57 pm

    The Spanish Civil War was complex, with the Russian Communists mischief making it was clear that Orwell was having a change of heart.

    Animal Farm is indicative of this new reality and if he had lived longer Orwell would have stopped calling himself a socialist.

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:58 pm

    Santamaria was a catholic, but there is nothing wrong with that, especially compared with supporting totalitarian regimes which killed 100 million people which is what commos did.

    That’s what totalitarian fascist dictators did too.

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2013 5:59 pm

    “I say rubbish to that”

    Well good for you. Have a fun weekend!

  351. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:00 pm

    The social justice fight was what i was referring to but it’s inconvenient for Kittylitter to see that.

    730, Toilet raised Pinochet. It’s a side battle that’s been going for years. And I don’t think Peron was exactly a US puppet but I’ll stand corrected (I’m being sarcastic here, 730, you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about).

  352. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:00 pm

    Oh for fucksake your taxpayers dollars wasted yet again.

    Apparently all he said was something like “sometimes its difficult to spot some people in Darwin after dark”

    OK………..bad taste

    But would not a sincere on-air apology do ?

    But no…………….we have to go through bullshit like this……….

    “……’Mr Morrow has agreed to work with the NRL Indigenous Council on a program of cultural awareness, and to undertake further ABC training in the areas of discrimination and appropriate workplace behaviour. Mr Morrow will continue to stay off air until this training is complete.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/broadcaster-banned-from-marquee-events-but-wont-be-sacked-for-remarks-20130523-2k43j.html#ixzz2UC8CdChI

  353. May 24, 2013 6:25 pm

    snacty, l didn`t claim X was/was-not yank puppet , just pointing out the yanks have been destabilizing south-america and arming others to over-throw elected Govts, that means THE YANKS ARE AN EXTERNAL interference in south-american countries.

    NOT A GOOD COMPARISON with germany, italy and spain BECAUSE they all had INTERNAL fighting within their own countries pre-ww2. Black-shirts fighting Brown-shirts (and_others) all german , approx 1929-1935 before hitler had power and the olympic games 1936

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:28 pm

    The Spanish Civil War was complex, with the Russian Communists mischief making it was clear that Orwell was having a change of heart.

    Orwell changed on the russians, the totalinarianism, but became even more firmly committed to socialism.

    Animal Farm is indicative of this new reality and if he had lived longer Orwell would have stopped calling himself a socialist.

    You just make shit up.

    He went as far right as to become democratic socialist

    According to Newsinger, although Orwell “was always critical of the 1945–51 Labour government’s moderation, his support for it began to pull him to the right politically. This did not lead him to embrace conservatism, imperialism or reaction, but to defend, albeit critically, Labour reformism.”

    You cannot be opposed to tyranny and support conservatives and orwell was very honest and principled, no hypocrisy.

    The social justice fight was what i was referring to but it’s inconvenient for Kittylitter to see that.

    good grief, telling me again what I think. Do you even know what social justice means?

    I still say the same, how can you be a supposed supporter of social justice yet oppose and be outspoken and activist on issues of human equality?

    Think about it.

    You would have to believe that some humans are superior to others.

    Suddenly and abruptly faced with your own cognitive dissonance?

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:31 pm

    Santamaria was a catholic, but there is nothing wrong with that

    Guffaw!

    As I said, TB, I was more talking about the strategic stuff not whether the little Ities were good soldiers.

    More guffaw … you have no idea what your burbling about … I’ve just been reading, Inferno, by the aforesaid Max Hastings … from page 510 … and it blows that little bit of nonsense out of the blog …

    Churchill … minuted his chiefs of staff in March 1943: “Everywhere the British and Americans are overloading their operational plans with so many factors of safety that they are ceasing to be capable of making any form of aggressive war. For six or eight months to come, Great Britain and the United States will be playing about with half a dozen German divisions [in North Africa and Sicily]. That is the position to which we are reduced, and which you should labour sedulously to correct.”

    Italy was a non-runner … even Tom Waterhouse wouldn’t have bet on its influence … do you have some Italian relationship?

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:34 pm

    THE YANKS ARE AN EXTERNAL interference in south-american countries.

    based on their history in south east asian countries …. not a good record …

    Now they fart around in the middle east …

  357. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:34 pm

    Kittylitter, has Australia ever had a great leader? I’d be interested to know. If you can’t recognise that mainstream opinion of previous generations shouldn’t be measured against contemporary standards then you truly are a complete waste of time.

  358. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:36 pm

    Once again, TB, your response bears absolutely no relationship to what I wrote.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:37 pm

    This did not lead him to embrace conservatism, imperialism or reaction, but to defend, albeit critically, Labour reformism.”

    A social centrist … my term but I’ve just become aware of my political/societal position …

    Thanks KL …

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:38 pm

    Once again, TB, your response bears absolutely no relationship to what I wrote.

    no-one understands what you write … in future I’ll just tell you what you are thinking …

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:43 pm

    Kittylitter, has Australia ever had a great leader?

    There you go again … you’re all over this blog like, a mad woman’s shit!

    Your choice will be different to mine … or KL’s … I suspect … so it’s obvious you’re just spoliing’ for a fight …

    Still, if its not here …

  362. May 24, 2013 6:46 pm

    “no-one understands what you write …”

    True that.

  363. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:48 pm

    ‘You just make shit up.’

    Actually, no. I read it it a peer reviewed paper (2004).

  364. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:50 pm

    no-one understands what you write … in future I’ll just tell you what you are thinking …

    me too, we are all mind readers now.

    And if you have it wrong, never never admit your argument is complete crap [santamaria = orwell], those goalposts just can’t be shifted around anymore, just tell them they’ve all got no idea about anything, they’re all clueless and deliberately not arguing how you want them to.

  365. May 24, 2013 6:51 pm

    “snacty fights like a whirling dervish, then he knocks himself out.”

    😆

    I’d love to retort to our last exchange but…IT HAS BEGUN>>> … and, believe it or not, I’d prefer to be coherent if I’m gonna have a stimulating argument (and I think James is very intelligent & worthy of having one with in a semi-civilised mutually pseudo-respectful fashion) …so I’ll get back to it.

    As for tonight. Go The mfkn Swans/Bloods…

  366. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:55 pm

    Wilful ignorance from both Kittylitter and TB. And all to defend their hatred for Santamaria. Why? Because he’s a Catholic who MSE life difficult for Labor. Rather than address the problems of Labor, and there were/are many…. HATE THE SPLITTERS!!!

  367. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:56 pm

    Kittylitter, has Australia ever had a great leader?

    So many assumptions in that questions isn’t there? I’m not playing this time james, got some stuff to do.

    I’ll happily hand that over to anybody else…

    round and round we go, where it ends no-one knows!

  368. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:58 pm

    730……

    “Perron (sic)……was Yank backed”

    Does that mean something other than what it says?

  369. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:59 pm

    Noice to see the troupe back in form.

  370. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 6:59 pm

    Kittylitter, name one. I dare ya.

  371. May 24, 2013 7:09 pm

    snacty ” was Yank backed/installed ” including but not limited to, did not claim `puppet` _ but keep missing the INTERNAL/EXTERNAL component of my point and fighting a low knowledge base

  372. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:09 pm

    Chifley? Curtin?

  373. May 24, 2013 7:11 pm

    Chiffon curtains…?

  374. May 24, 2013 7:12 pm

    ” has Australia ever had a great leader? “
    not recently, and not in the foreseeable future 🙂

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:12 pm

    Wilful ignorance from both Kittylitter and TB.

    And here I was thinking you were studying law, James …

    … just what is … wilful fkn ignorance …

    … have a good night all …

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pseudo-intellectuals

  376. May 24, 2013 7:22 pm

    ” Wilful ignorance from “
    snacty, you`re going all pot kettle black there, mate.
    l seem to recall not so long ago the same thing was happening on the nbn thread, and no matter how much science was shown, teabags preferred to chant Mr-Rabbits bullshit they parroted off the bolt blog.

  377. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:37 pm

    And Perron (sic)???

  378. IPA address permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:51 pm

    Snacty wins the internets! (And the footy, hopefully.)

  379. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 7:54 pm

    Thanks IPA. It’s similar to wearing a Che Guevara tshirt. Spouting crap without ever having bothered to suss out the truth of what’s behind Saadi crap.

  380. May 24, 2013 8:04 pm

    No snacty, Peron didn`t build an nbn either.

  381. May 24, 2013 9:16 pm

    DON’T CRY FOR ME….ARGENTINA…the TRUTH is the fucktards don’t get it…

  382. May 24, 2013 9:17 pm

    I remember poosnactyofshitterror instigating a tipping comp a few years back…when there wasn’t quite so much malice…I wish he’d do it again, so I could shit on the pseudotipperz & gamblelickerz with mad tipping skillz (again)…

  383. May 24, 2013 9:20 pm

    Ha…interesting fact (or not, depending upon your threshold of interest for interest’s sake)…I am going to see Jesus Christ Superstar in Adelaide in a few weeks…

    Will I wear my Jesus Is A Cunt T-shirt?…it’s the question on a thousand lips.

    Looking forward to it, either way. I like how they made it seem like teh jeebus was shacked up wit da prostitute…

    And Judas was BOSS…

  384. May 24, 2013 9:27 pm

    “Will I wear my Jesus Is A Cunt T-shirt?”

    I think it has legs….. I’d run with it….

  385. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 9:34 pm

    BLOODS!!!! Come on!!

  386. May 24, 2013 9:38 pm

    I don’t understand why Judas is given such a bad rap.

    He was the first one to realise that the bejebus was a cunt.

    He deserves an award, not punishment (in the fiery pits of hell an all that..)

  387. egg permalink
    May 24, 2013 9:51 pm

    Judas was horrified by what was on the menu at the last supper and reported the lot of them to the authorities.

    Maybe JC was only joking when he said ‘this is my body, this is my blood’. Anyway, it all went downhill from there (the dill) not that he should have been crucified for this minor indiscretion.

  388. May 24, 2013 9:53 pm

    GO YOU FKN BLOODS!

  389. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 24, 2013 10:22 pm

    Bloods. That’s all.

  390. May 24, 2013 10:24 pm

    Yessssssss, collingwood cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunts!!!

  391. May 24, 2013 10:25 pm

    “I think it has legs….. I’d run with it….”

    Now I feel like I’ve been officially endorsed!

  392. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2013 2:30 am

    Well it looks like Labor needs to take some responsibility for this

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/spared-slaughter-overseas-only-to-meet-cruel-death-in-a-parched-land/story-e6frg6nf-1226650217008#

    He struggles to say how many head of stock he has had to shoot since the summer rains failed – 50, 60 maybe – but his lonely battle is far from an isolated one …………………Embittered producers say it began brewing in 2011 when the federal government suspended live cattle exports to Indonesia for five weeks over revelations of cruelty in its abattoirs. The trade, crucial to the north Australian beef industry, is yet to recover. This year, 267,000 head will go to Indonesia, down from about 400,000 two years ago, according to the Australian Live Export Council.”

  393. IPA address permalink
    May 25, 2013 2:43 am

    “The great enemies of free enterprise are businessmen and intellectuals: businessmen because they want socialism for themselves and free enterprise for everyone else; intellectuals, because they want free enterprise for themselves and socialism for everyone else.”
    ~ Milton Friedman

  394. IPA address permalink
    May 25, 2013 3:04 am

    Quotations on Nazi socialism and fascism [Appendix 2: Nietzsche and the Nazis]

  395. May 25, 2013 3:49 am

  396. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:57 am

    ‘Some of Australia’s most high flying business leaders were feted in China by an ”influence” platform of the People’s Liberation Army, a Fairfax investigation has revealed.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/chinese-military-woos-big-business-20130524-2k6r1.html#ixzz2UFTFVrqo

    This is no big deal, the PLA have war plans in the bottom draw. Its no surprise if you believe history repeats itself, but if there are any doubters out there you need look no further for evidence than China’s CTL (coal to liquid) enterprise which allows them the opportunity to survive a western oil embargo.

  397. IPA address permalink
    May 25, 2013 11:39 am

    There’s saturation coverage on TV at the moment over the “racism row” resulting from last night’s game at the MCG. In front of the cameras Sydney’s Adam Goodes pointed out a girl who had apparently yelled a racial slur at him. Goodes and AFL boss Andrew Dimitriou have both been on this morning condemning her racist actions. Here’s the thing, though: The girl is a 13 year old child! I’m more worried about what effect this might have on her than what offence she might have caused the adult Goodes.

  398. IPA address permalink
    May 25, 2013 11:41 am

    Apparently the girl called Goodes an ape.

  399. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 2:05 pm

    Adam Goodes ‘gutted’ after 13-year-old girl’s racial slur

    That was pretty ugly and not unusual, feel for adam goodes. I have heard him speaking about it and he has certainly shown that himself to be a role model for all footballers, indigenous or not. But what will change from this?
    Also shows that words are not harmless [bolters refuse to hear this] they can wound to the core, by all accounts he was visibly affected by the slur, almost in tears. How to ruin a man’s day/work/life.
    So, the girl has apologised now and goodes asks for her to be supported, shows a level of human compassion and understanding that the girl obviously hasn’t been taught.

    This, to me, is the worst of the howard legacy to the nation, that ugly australians feel it is quite OK to be openly racist and abusive to others simply because of their race or skin colour.

    This is the attitude to take:

  400. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 2:08 pm

    I’m in moderation?

  401. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 2:17 pm

    Embittered producers say it began brewing in 2011 when the federal government suspended live cattle exports to Indonesia for five weeks over revelations of cruelty in its abattoirs.

    Defending the indefensible? Do $ over ride all humanity in your eyes?

    Cry me a river. How hard is it to properly regulate the industry? A lot of money goes into pockets while people look the other way. If we can’t ensure animals are not cruelly treated, then people should be out of the business altogether.

  402. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 2:44 pm

    Oh for fucksake your taxpayers dollars wasted yet again.
    Apparently all he said was something like “sometimes its difficult to spot some people in Darwin after dark”

    Just the harmless kind of racism eh? Why are dark skinned people ssooo sssensitive?
    Aussies are good at that ‘harmless’ racism, they get all super sensitive and offended when their racism is pointed out to them.

    As you lot keep saying, it’s OK for the private murdoch media to be biased, prejudiced and full of lying propaganda but it’s not OK for the public broadcaster on public funding.

    When ray hadley publicly pleads for his ‘good friend’ and his job, you can feel sure it was wrong.

    #censorship #freespeech# #supportboltandtheipa

  403. grodo permalink
    May 25, 2013 3:19 pm

    Its not alright for the ABC and SBS to put out propaganda, because it’s our taxes paying for them.

    We don’t have to read the Murdocracy and I refuse to go behind his paywall, but I resent having to pay for propaganda from our public funded broadcasters.

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 3:28 pm

    UPDATE: SWANS champion Adam Goodes says he is “gutted” and couldn’t celebrate Sydney’s win last night after a 13-year-old girl called him an ape.

    At a press conference this morning Goodes said the comment in the final quarter had left him devastated after Sydney’s 47-point win over Collingwood.

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-gutted-after-13-year-old-girls-racial-slur-who-called-the-sydney-champion-today-to-apologise/comments-fndv8ujy-1226650256245

    What a fkn precious petal! Suck it up princess … Aussie phutball … what a wanker …

    What a nation of soft thickheads we are becoming …

    13! I feel for the poor little bugger … check the boofhead Goodes having ago at a little girl … harrassment, bullying and possible assault … she’s a paying fan … treat her like one …

    The “footballers” in all codes need to climb down off their pedestals a bit … being given making a lot of money as never made anyone smarter …

  405. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 3:35 pm

    ‘Police were seriously considering charges against a 13-year-old for calling a man an “ape”? Are we insane?

    ‘I do not defend for an instant the insult. But I suspect the person who will be most scarred by the incident is a 13-year-old girl so publicly identfied and vilified.’

    Andrew Bolt

  406. May 25, 2013 4:05 pm

    as far as l`m concerned the politicians and embedded media are promoting racism with all the boat-people hate that continually bombards the public ,

    egg , bolt is a hypocrite and arse-clown that has no credibility , he is a racist , l`m saying it , and so is a judge

    TB , agree , suck it up princess

  407. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:22 pm

    ‘I do not defend for an instant the insult. But I suspect the person who will be most scarred by the incident is a 13-year-old girl so publicly identfied and vilified.’
    Andrew Bolt

    Bolt once again defending racism and racists.

    We don’t have to read the Murdocracy and I refuse to go behind his paywall, but I resent having to pay for propaganda from our public funded broadcasters.

    Except it wasn’t propaganda, it was his own racist comment.

    At least be resentful for the right reasons.

  408. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:23 pm

    TB – it’s disgraceful that a 13 year old would think this is suitable behaviour at a football game, or anywhere else.

    The language is racist, the girl will feel humiliated and this might provide her with a sense of what many indigenous people feel throughout much of their lives.

    AO – Racist bogans abound, and I don’t think Howard can be blamed for it.

  409. May 25, 2013 4:33 pm

    ” the Murdocracy and I refuse to go behind his paywall, ”
    good for you egg , same here ,
    ***
    ” but I resent having to pay for propaganda from our public funded broadcasters.”
    so do l egg , but be angry for the correct reason , most of the propaganda sneaks onto my abc and sbs under the `fake`balance` excuse , and originates from Limited-News , ipa or Libz pressers

  410. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:38 pm

    The “footballers” in all codes need to climb down off their pedestals a bit … being given making a lot of money as never made anyone smarter …

    I disagree TB. As a professional footballer, sure, he should accept fans screeching about his performance or team barracking etc, but there should be zero tolerance for racism, he’s not there to be abused or taunted about his colour or race, there’s no amount of performance enhancing from him that can change that!

  411. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:49 pm

    ‘most of the propaganda sneaks onto my abc and sbs under the `fake`balance` excuse’

    The left and right think they are biased, but a recent paper suggested their newsrooms are full of watermelons.

  412. May 25, 2013 4:49 pm

    yomm_ ” Racist bogans abound, and I don’t think Howard can be blamed for it.`

    “we shall decide who comes to our country , and the circumstance in they will enter“ (paraphrased)

    Ya can`t stop guzzlin` and be big enough to say both sides are racist shits, can ya teabag

  413. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:53 pm

    AO – Racist bogans abound, and I don’t think Howard can be blamed for it.

    before Howard there was some amount of public shame in racist attitudes. Howard came along with his divisive culture wars, the anti-PC warriors, the ‘black armband’ statements, the re-writing of black history by his favoured authors and megaphones to deny that there wasn’t a generation of aboriginal children stolen from their parents. The racist NT legislation where the anti-discrimination law had to be rescinded [is Labor’s shame that it has not been removed].

    The tolerance and public suport of racist behaviour by white bullies and rednecks at public events.

    The dog whistling to racism by the leaders of the nation [and I include gillard labor with asylum seekers] has the effect that people feel it is acceptable to be openly racist, after all, the PMs say there is nothing wrong with it.

  414. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:54 pm

    I was merely replying to this comment – “This, to me, is the worst of the howard legacy to the nation”

    Not all bogan behaviour is due to Howard, or even Gillard for that matter.

  415. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2013 4:58 pm

    Arguably it is Gillard who has created a more pervasive bogan redneck culture.

    Bogan rednecks are a natural part of the Liberal/national constituency, but the ALP (particularly Gillard) has made their attitudes bipartisan.

  416. May 25, 2013 5:00 pm

    “Not all bogan behaviour is due to Howard, or even Gillard for that matter.”

    This is true.

    A lot of it has to do with being from Queensland.

    Or the Shire.

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:01 pm

    The language is racist/ I disagree TB.

    No its not … its being made out to be … its a football game … Goodes must have really been concentrating on the game to hear it …

    But to say … he is “gutted” and couldn’t celebrate Sydney’s win last night … is just a beat up …

    I could just imagine a football game with a silent crowd … fmd … talk about pc police …

    The Minister calls one of the RL players “the horse” … is that racist? Animalist? Or horseist?

    Next you’ll be telling me that you should be 18 before you can go to a game … 🙄

    Is being a brown-arse racist?

    Everyone here will have differing points of view … I’ve stated mine … I’ll say no more on the matter …

  418. May 25, 2013 5:04 pm

    egg_ ” newsrooms are full of watermelons. “
    yeah egg , l heard that but have read the detail yet ,

    l doubt it will be much use knowing who they vote for tho , remember , they are networks , that go beyond TV derp , there is radio too , which is vital during floods and bushfires , and the `private`media can`t fill this space or service if the abc/sbs was switched off

  419. May 25, 2013 5:06 pm

    DOH_ yeah egg , l heard that but have NOT read the detail yet ,

  420. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:08 pm

    “we shall decide who comes to our country , and the circumstance in they will enter“ (paraphrased)

    classic howard

    And let us never forget the reconciliation convention with Howard shouting at the audience, banging his fist on the lecturn, his audience then turn their backs on him.
    Nor half the coalition MPs turning their backs or absenting themselves when ‘the apology’ was made. Refusing to attend the bridge reconciliation walks. In 2007 ordering his delegates at the UN to vote against the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

  421. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:12 pm

    ‘there is radio too , which is vital during floods and bushfires’

    Aunty can keep a radio station, but the rest should be sold off.

    Racism in eastern Australia has been on the increase over the past decade and its a universal problem, not just the rednecks in the bush.

    Multiculturalism has its drawbacks.

  422. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:19 pm

    Goodes must have really been concentrating on the game to hear it …

    Doesn’t matter how he heard it, he didn’t look to be too far away from the stand.
    He shouldn’t just ignore it. He and the other players should name and shame every single time it happens and so should the other fans in earshot of the behaviour. It is the only way to show that racism won’t be tolerated by decent and civilised people who just want to see football played as a sport not a lesson in personal humiliation .

    But to say … he is “gutted” and couldn’t celebrate Sydney’s win last night … is just a beat up …

    Agree

  423. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:21 pm

    Is being a brown-arse racist?

    depends on who you say it to and the context of the comment!

  424. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:29 pm

    I prefer the terms suckhole or arselicker myself 🙂

  425. May 25, 2013 5:36 pm

    egg_ ” keep a radio station, but the rest should be sold off. ”
    Do you have any real reason of your own for this belief egg , or are you just parroting the usual Tory-Story.?

  426. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:43 pm

    …most of the propaganda sneaks onto my abc and sbs under the `fake`balance` excuse , and originates from Limited-News , ipa or Libz pressers…

    true

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/its-easy-being-green-at-the-abc-survey-finds/story-fn59niix-1226647246897

    …ABC radio presenter Mark Colvin described the result as “absolutely meaningless”.

    “Only a tiny proportion of ABC journalists were prepared to reveal their voting intentions,” he said. “You don’t know anything about the much larger percentage of ABC journalists who weren’t prepared to reveal their voting intentions . . . it’s absolutely ridiculous to draw conclusions from this survey on that subject.”…

    …Former Fairfax editor Michael Gawenda said the survey results mirrored his experience in journalism but could not be used as evidence of any bias in reporting…

    Also, what about professionalism? Reporters are allowed to vote for any party they like, in fact they are required to vote, it would only be of any use to the research if political bias was detected in the reporting of those who declared their voting intent.

    Luckily the murdochracy hacks don’t have to worry about any of it – professional standards, fair and balanced reporting.

  427. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:46 pm

    The use of propaganda by those broadcasters, primarily on CC, is regrettable and they need to be dismantled.

    I think for myself, being a free finker.

  428. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2013 5:54 pm

    Rather than actually selling the ABC, I’d prefer to see it listed as a public company. Then give every voter an ABC share that they can sell if they wish. Alternatively they can vote for the board they want.

  429. May 25, 2013 6:03 pm

    “ the 34 ABC journalists who agreed to declare their voting intention, “
    http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/its-easy-being-green-at-the-abc-survey-finds/story-e6frg12c-1226647246897
    (no paywall)
    + “ The survey of 605 journalists from around Australia “
    + “ University of the Sunshine Coast senior journalism lecturer Folker Hanusch, who led the study, said the figures revealed a trend despite the small sample size. “
    ***
    what a lot of bullshit , this is just `churn` to fill column inches and justify one`s existence on the university coin

  430. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:08 pm

    depends on who you say it to and the context of the comment!

    … and I think that applies to the Goodes beat up … that little girl might suffer the effects of the bullying by ADULTS … for the rest of her life …

    Yeah I know what I said earlier … but I have a little girl almost that age in my family (and I admit she probably wouldn’t shout something like that – but a 13 yo? Anything’s possible) …

    … my little girl sat for her exam into Academic Achievers for high school (she goes next year) … I half hope she doesn’t pass … her brother is two years in now and the first year was “dramatic” to say the least … funny, neither of them have been to a footy game, nor are they interested …

    As for me – I haven’t watched a game this season … I seem to be losing interest in most of my “interests” just lately …??

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … or are you just parroting the usual Tory-Story.?

    Chuckle … definitely a “keeper” … luv it, 007 …

  431. May 25, 2013 6:13 pm

    “Do you have any real reason of your own for this belief egg , or are you just parroting the usual Tory-Story.?”

    Chuckle… 🙂

  432. May 25, 2013 6:19 pm

    ‘ I think for myself, being a free finker. ‘
    ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL 🙂
    of course you are, it is pure coincidence you spend half ya time sounding like Sophie-Mirrabella and other half sounding like bolt.

  433. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:20 pm

    ‘I seem to be losing interest in most of my “interests” just lately …??’

    You need a job.

  434. Meta permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:24 pm

    (Erm, apparently, humans definitely aren’t apes, or any kind of animal, really; and name-calling and finger-pointing probably both is harmless and meaningless.)

  435. May 25, 2013 6:25 pm

    “it is pure coincidence you spend half ya time sounding like Sophie-Mirrabella”

    LOL… 🙂

    You’re on fire tonight 730… 🙂

  436. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:29 pm

    The Bolter has some strong views on race issues, which I don’t necessarily endorse.

  437. May 25, 2013 6:33 pm

    ‘ on fire tonight 730 ‘ why thank-you reb, and good evening,

    sbs1 news just started , opening story , 13yo and `ape` FFS

  438. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:41 pm

    Really 730??

    When a 13 year old starts using racially offensive terms, that’s worth reporting.

    The girl deserves to fell some shame, so do her parents.

    If society considers that this is acceptable (particularly during a round that is specifically promoted to advance indigenous interests), then society has lost the plot.

    Racists should be shunned and shamed at every opportunity.

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:47 pm

    ‘Tis a sick world, 007, and its gonna get worse …

    As for,sreb’s, insulting intrusion I expect an apopletic email within the hour … or I resign!

    As a reminder …

    A lot of it has to do with being from Queensland.

    I am utterly gutted and I simply can’t enjoy my Bowler’s Run Semillon Sauvignon Blanc … I only get a taste on Friday’s and Saturdays and now I simply can’t cope … go to your room …

  440. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:54 pm

    As a reminder …
    A lot of it has to do with being from Queensland.

    suck it up princess 😉

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:55 pm

    When a 13 year old starts using racially offensive terms, that’s worth reporting. Racists should be shunned and shamed at every opportunity.

    Grow up! I've been called worse than that as an immigrant … Goodes is wimp! This girl is being villified by the media (and you) … Goodes earns a packet and points the girl out on national TV? What does that say about him as a bully!

    Quite frankly if it was one of mine I'd sue the arse off him and his football club and the AFL …

    Get off your high horse … for once! (How old are your children?)

    As for the media … surely there are better things to "report" … as the world sinks into a morass of recession and possible depression, culminating in confrontation … maybe that might be a good thing … people might realise what is really important in the world as they try to survive rather than support their "footy career" on the bullying of a 13 yo girl … GMAFB!

    I have defended against racism all my adult life but this just a bullying of a little girl!

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 6:57 pm

    suck it up princess 😉

    I always have, KL … but it does make a point!

  443. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:09 pm

    Grow up! I’ve been called worse than that as an immigrant …

    And that was wrong too.

    Goodes is wimp! This girl is being villified by the media (and you) …

    A racist taunt is not considered vilification due to the age of the offender? I didn’t realise that children are exempted from charges of racism – wonder what they would say if she said that about a fellow student.

    And the victim now becomes the vilifier? Huh, that’s arse about TB

    Goodes earns a packet and points the girl out on national TV? What does that say about him as a bully!

    Money doesn’t make you immune to personally demeaning and humiliating insults.

    Quite frankly if it was one of mine I’d sue the arse off him and his football club and the AFL …

    Whatever grounds could you possibly have for that? he is the victim! you might be able to make something out of the media show, but they also appeared to be going softly, softly due to her age.

    At 13 years of age you have some idea about hurt feelings and right from wrong [if you have had some proper parenting]

  444. May 25, 2013 7:10 pm

    `ape`
    yomm, l still agree with TB @ 3.28pm
    on the `news-worthiness` scale, this doesn`t even rate 1/10 for me, FFS, it`s a 13yo kid,

    sbs1 had a 2nd `ape` story on, pc police crapping on about `educating` the bogan`s, it`s enough to send me all `Andrew-Bolt` and roam the streets with a dulux color chart to find people to yell `ape` at

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:18 pm

    he is the victim!

    … he’s (supposed to be) an adult! … gawd struth … sticks and stones stuff!

    Get on with life!

    You are really being manipulated here …

  446. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:21 pm

    on the `news-worthiness` scale, this doesn`t even rate 1/10 for me, FFS, it`s a 13yo kid,

    Completely agree that there is no need to carry it on for days or weeks, maybe then TB might have a case for suing for mental harm of a minor or something.

  447. egg permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:24 pm

    Goodes has a brand new ad on TV against racial vilification in sport.

    Amazing coincidence.

  448. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:27 pm

    he is the victim!
    … he’s (supposed to be) an adult! … gawd struth … sticks and stones stuff!
    Get on with life!
    You are really being manipulated here …

    Adults are also victims of racism, that one word hurled out of a crowd and he is instantly taken back to a childhood and every hurtful racist taunt and prejudiced behaviour he’s ever endured every day of his life.

    I don’t know why you can’t see how much this stuff injures people mentally.

    Some things are not to be tolerated, in any way shape or form and racism is one of those.

  449. IPA address permalink
    May 25, 2013 7:40 pm

    #gotiges

    😉

  450. May 25, 2013 8:27 pm

    it is quite funny that cranks like hadley get dedicated puff
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/now-for-the-real-story-the-uncensored-version-20130524-2k6e7.html
    from my abc , but the tory-kids mindlessly chant `close_the_abc` , the free-to-air networks don`t provide anywhere near the amount of business coverage either , but hey ,
    who says teabags actually know what they talk about.?

  451. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 25, 2013 11:15 pm

    “This, to me, is the worst of the howard legacy to the nation, that ugly australians feel it is quite OK to be openly racist and abusive to others simply because of their race or skin colour.”

    The kid was 13 you idiot

    He was voted out 6 years ago which would have made her?

    I reckon you’d struggle on that question

  452. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 25, 2013 11:24 pm

    I keep asking Kitty to provide proof that Abbott meets with News Limited *etc (*insert all other ALP hate groups) on a weekly basis

    She never does.

    Her style is to link her usual commo radical left sites then attack the right then make broad statements then when asked for links just disappear for a “comfortable period”

  453. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2013 12:12 am

    Actually kitty is so totally unhinged I’m beginning to think Kitty had a part as a nurse of course in “One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest”

    So much hatred …

  454. egg permalink
    May 26, 2013 7:47 am

    Kitty would fit in well at the cafe, there’s a lot of hate down there…. and fear.

  455. egg permalink
    May 26, 2013 8:18 am

    Abbott conveniently avoids embarrassment.

    ‘THE Victorian Liberal Party today dumped moves to debate the privatisation of the ABC and SBS.

    ‘A motion calling for the review of public broadcasting in Australia with the view of either partial or total privatisation was quietly shelved before the 156th State Council began.

    ‘The party said the mover of the motion was overseas and the motion would be deferred to the next conference.’

    John Ferguson in the Oz

  456. May 26, 2013 8:20 am

    “Kitty would fit in well at the cafe, there’s a lot of hate down there…. and fear.”

    Says the climate change crack head.

  457. IPA address permalink
    May 26, 2013 9:43 am

    Front page of today’s Sunday Herald Sun: I’M SORRY FOR BEING RACIST. Exclusive: Girl apologises in letter to Goodes

    ‘…She told the Sunday Herald Sun she is sorry and will now “think twice”, as she did not realise her denigrating comment was a racist slur.’

    Calling someone an ape is not a racist slur in itself. Presumably it’s a racist slur in this case because Goodes is aboriginal. Why? Do those wishing to be offended think aborigines are somehow closer to apes than non-aborigines? What is the context here? If it has to be explained in academic terms of sociology and anthropology before the average person understands – particularly a 13 year-old child – then it’s not racist.

    #mytwocents

  458. May 26, 2013 9:46 am

    People say that Tony Abbott walks like an ape…

    Is that racist….?

    #mytwocents*

    (*copyright IPA address)

  459. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2013 10:01 am

    I had just finisished a post … and it disappeared! WTF!

  460. egg permalink
    May 26, 2013 10:07 am

    ‘Says the climate change crack head.’

    For christ’s sake, you know there’s only luv in my heart.

  461. egg permalink
    May 26, 2013 11:26 am

    Wandering past that hateful cafe I spotted a newcomer ….Anti Ju-LIAR has depth.

  462. May 26, 2013 12:02 pm

    “Anti Ju-LIAR has depth.”

    Well she/he certainly put forward a coherently constructed criticism of Gillard.

    No wonder that the chief pack dog immediately pounced to silence the dissent. 🙄

  463. egg permalink
    May 26, 2013 12:56 pm

    All is not lost, Pat has a poem up as a distraction.

  464. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2013 1:23 pm

    The kid was 13 you idiot
    He was voted out 6 years ago which would have made her?
    I reckon you’d struggle on that question

    How to completely miss the whole point – fkn simple minded eejut. I’m torn between the two, you just grasping for any excuse [even one that makes you look like a fool] just to let loose a barrage of abuse or you are simply ‘defending the legacy’ in another of your many personas – the hadley/jones perpetually outraged and angry at anything in opposition to your whitebread worldview.

    Who said howard personally taught the girl to be racist, DH? 🙄

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2013 1:36 pm

    LOL!

  466. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2013 2:50 pm

    Why? Do those wishing to be offended think aborigines are somehow closer to apes than non-aborigines?

    He didn’t wish to be offended, he obviously was offended. You can’t define racism as a ‘choice’ in life. What personal choice is there in being born to a particular race of people or your skin colour?

    There is a deliberate choice that people make to speak about others based on race and colour though [I certainly don’t suggest that a 13 yo had the maturity to know what she was parroting]. People like bolt who are professional proven racists, who wish to offend for no reason other than personal profit? Easy pickings when the targets don’t have the same power and resources to fight back and you are sheltered and protected from ever coming face to face with the consequences of your own choices.

    And I’m sure you well know, ape has long been a racial slur, along with rock-ape and spider-monkey etc Meaning that aborigines have not evolved to that supposed higher form of supreme being – white people. There’s even been racists spruiking ‘research’ about their brains being smaller ‘proving’ they are not as smart as whites.

  467. IPA address permalink
    May 26, 2013 3:53 pm

    “And I’m sure you well know, ape has long been a racial slur, along with rock-ape and spider-monkey etc”

    I did not know that, and I grew up in a rural area close to an ex-missionary aboriginal settlement, in an era when inter-racial antagonism was not unknown, and I had not heard ape used in that way.

    So, as I do in any case where I’m unsure of the facts, I look for a reference, in this case the Wikipedia List of ethnic slurs, and, sure enough, there it is (albeit with the qualifier “US”, which may explain my ignorance on the matter). So I stand corrected.

    I WAS WRONG!

  468. IPA address permalink
    May 26, 2013 4:14 pm

    By the way, according to that list the word Ocker is an ethnic slur, so I’m putting everyone on notice that I shall take the requisite degree of offence if anyone has the temerity to call me that. Same goes for dogan, Goy, goyim, goyum, Gringo, gub, gubba, Haole, honky, honkie, honkey, Mack, Mick, Mickey, Mickey Finn, Redneck, Shkutzim, Skip, Skippy, or Whitey.

    Youse have been warned!

  469. IPA address permalink
    May 26, 2013 4:16 pm

    (This thread seems to be taking forever to load. Just sayin’.)

  470. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2013 4:20 pm

    I just thought “gringo” meant nice, handsome man not from around here, in South America.

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