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Budget Night Bingo!

May 13, 2013

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Budget Night Bingo – the fun filled game for our resident alcoholics and red wine enthusiasts alike.

One thing is for sure, tomorrow night’s Budget will be a Budget like no other we’ve seen in living memory.

For some two years or more, the Gillard government has made much fanfare of delivering a budget surplus in 2013.  It has been a core commitment since the last election and one that was designed to cement the Gillard government’s economic credentials.  So much so, that only recently Julia Gillard declared that “failure is not an option” when it came to delivering upon this commitment.

In a matter of hours from now, the Government will officially reveal the 2013-2014 Federal Budget and confirm, by its own measure, its financial incompetence.

If, as Treasurer Wayne Swan would have us believe, the Australian economy is in tremendous shape, it makes his inability to achieve his own financial targets all the more glaringly obvious.

As a team Gillard and Swan are now beyond the realms of embarrassing, it’s shameful, and tomorrow night’s performance will be almost painstaking agonising to watch.

However, fortunately we have Budget Night Bingo to keep us entertained, and Tom and Evil Walrus have already got the ball rolling with Wayne’s talking points well in hand.

All we need to do now is stock up on the refreshment of your choice and wait for carnival of Canberra cadavers to take to the stage…

 

 

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221 Comments leave one →
  1. May 13, 2013 7:07 pm

    Personally I reckon that a DVD will be the best way to avoid sitting there watching the inevitable train-wreck and in the morning after I will try to be clever and witty in my gloating derision at Wayne’s Swan song.
    Cheers!!!!!!

  2. May 13, 2013 7:11 pm

    “The surplus years are here” ~ Wayne Swan 2012

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2013 7:52 pm

    FUCK! I only drink on Friday and Saturday night now!! (I’m literally wasting away!)

    The dopey bastards can’t even get the right fkn night right!

  4. IPA address permalink
    May 13, 2013 8:20 pm

    On ABC Radio’s “PM” tonight, former Gillard economic adviser Stephen Koukoulis agreed with some fuckwit from a leftoid “think” tank who agreed with the ABC’s Stephen Long that it is a crying shame the government has “lost” $150 Billion in revenue because of previous tax cuts and “loopholes”. Well you’ll excuse me if I don’t join in the mourning. Every dollar kept from the grubby paws of this (or any other) government is money well spent in my book. Listening to that item actually made my day.

  5. IPA address permalink
    May 13, 2013 8:25 pm

    ‘some fuckwit from a leftoid “think” tank’ was Richard Denniss from The Australia Institute, “the country’s most influential progressive think tank” according to their website.

    They don’t even pretend to offer a diversity of opinion on the ABC.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 8:55 pm

    This evening I’m getting 3 bottles of 2006 bin 28 out of the basement, I think Swan’s budget will need that type of investment.

  7. May 13, 2013 9:02 pm

    I’ve just had mine delivered.

  8. May 13, 2013 9:05 pm

    “Labor values” *sip*

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:23 pm

    “We’ve managed the tough times” (hic)

  10. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 9:59 pm

    I might have to hangout in a Pub tomorrow night. I just don’t have a big enough bar fridge .

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 13, 2013 10:04 pm

    ” that it is a crying shame the government has “lost” $150 Billion in revenue because of previous tax cuts and “loopholes”

    They are actually Wayne Swans tax cuts so i am not sure why Costello gets a mention.

    What gets me about lunatics like Koukamaniac is that they cannot blame Wayne Swan for the budget deficit. I mean Costello has been out of office for 6 years.

  12. public toilet permalink
    May 13, 2013 10:42 pm

    Fuck, I hate shiftwork at times.

    Like when it ensures that I miss out on a bit of hard drinking at budget night bingo.

    😦

  13. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2013 10:59 pm

    Ha ha you miss out on your $2 longnecks

  14. May 14, 2013 12:30 am

    GFYS… 😉

  15. May 14, 2013 12:33 am

    Unfortunately, a coworker introduced me to the sublime pleasure of neat, expensive scotch about 9 months ago.

    You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to decent whisky. Smooth as fuck.

    Makes a mess…quickly.

  16. May 14, 2013 12:35 am

    * ergo, no more $2 longnecks…after about 36 of them, the novelty wore off…& was replaced by the memory of the smell, the taste & the abject horror which the dawn of tomorrow brought.

    Still, I ploughed through them, like a BOSS. 😯

  17. May 14, 2013 12:39 am

    All of you Abbottlickers (you know who you are) will be busy fixating on what a fucktard Swan is…but failing to project your imaginations forward a couple of years into the reign of Abbott & Hockey.

    Teamplaying ideological golems.

  18. May 14, 2013 12:40 am

    toiletboss, WINS!

    F L A W L E S S…V I C T O R Y…

  19. May 14, 2013 7:24 am

    ABC Headlines this morning:

    “Wayne Swan to reveal Labor’s 10 year Budget Plan”

    10 years??? ROFLMAO!!

  20. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 8:26 am

    The surplus years are behind us, the deficit years are here.

    The sad thing is that this state of affairs is a cause of rejoicing among the economically illiterate.

  21. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 9:44 am

    ‘The Daily Telegraph has learned the government has confirmed in the past few days, in a series of recent high level briefings, that the revised forecast for the world carbon price in today’s Budget would be between $12 and $15 a tonne.’

    But…but… the European price is?

  22. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 9:49 am

    “………………..that the revised forecast for the world carbon price in today’s Budget would be between $12 and $15 a tonne.’……..”

    And that is another reason why nobody………………….absolutely nobody should believe Swan tonight when he claims the “Forwards” show a Surplus 5 to 10 years down the track.

  23. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 9:52 am

    How many times did we hear Swan say he will return to Surplus during the normal course of economic cycle.

    How loooooong is this f**king economic cycle ?

  24. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:06 am

    I find it hard to believe that Gillard persists with her media advisor the Mad Scotsman John McTernan.

    Him and Swan should have been fired ages ago.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/preparing-for-bday-and-hoping-that-the-other-bastard-dies-20130513-2ji65.html

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:11 am

    Peter Costello prepares Swans budget speech

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/nothing-adds-up-in-treasurer-wayne-swans-world/story-e6frfhqf-1226641521149

    Mr Speaker,

    I guess by now you have all figured out that I don’t know what I’m doing. That awful truth has finally dawned on me as well. I hadn’t been too good before, but last year’s Budget was the one where I totally blew myself up – you remember? It was May 8 last year. I thought I needed a dramatic opening to my Speech. So I began by saying, ‘The four years of surpluses I announce tonight . . .’………….In April, I said the revenue was down $7.5 billion. A week later Julia said it was down $12 billion. Then Penny went out last week to say it was down $17 billion. I leaked out a Treasury briefing on the weekend to say we were $26 billion down. How do you reconcile all these figures?

    Well, it beats me and I hope it beats all of you because that is the whole point – to try to cloud the issue.”

  26. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:17 am

    The EU ETS Futures Market doesn’t look nearly as rosy as the $12-$15 range currently being hyped.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:18 am

    “I find it hard to believe that Gillard persists with her media advisor the Mad Scotsman John McTernan.”

    We are talking about ‘Tin Ear’ Gillard here’. Not hard to believe at all.

  28. May 14, 2013 11:00 am

    Wayne Swan says that Labor will win the forthcoming election:

    “There will be a clear choice and in that choice we will win.”

    Meanwhile back in the real world, Tony Windsor concedes it’s Wayne’s Swan Song Budget..

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-14/windsor-says-its-swans-last-budget/4687868

  29. May 14, 2013 11:03 am

    I do hope Catching Up’s going to live blogging Wayne’s budget speech tonight…. 😆

  30. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 11:10 am

    Oakshott and the business community asked joolya to float the carbon price in this budget, but she refused, saying it would create a six billion dollar hole over night.

    The Forwards are flawed and I expect Hockey will raise the issue.

  31. May 14, 2013 11:18 am

    “The Forwards are flawed”

    Understatement of the decade!

    If Wayne can’t even get a 12 month prediction right (“the surplus years are here”) does he honestly think anyone will take some 10 year vision seriously at all..??

    No I didn’t think so either…..

  32. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 12:06 pm

    I think some of my Words of Wisdom from my Towering Intellect (LOL) have been caught in the Spam Machine this morning ???????????????????????

  33. May 14, 2013 12:34 pm

    Nothing in the spam filter Walrus…

  34. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 12:40 pm

    Oh dear……………then they are lost forever and Mankind is so much the poorer

    LOL

  35. May 14, 2013 12:47 pm

    I’m sure you’ll impart us with further words of wisdom to compensate for our loss…

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 1:28 pm

    ALP barrackers like Catching Up say –
    *it’s all the fault of Howard and Costello
    *Swan can’t be held responsible for the deficit
    *AbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbottAbbott

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 2:00 pm

    I can possibly cope with a drinking game involving platitudes and excuses from Swan.

    What I couldn’t keep up with is one involving a sip each time Catching Up posts a comment with a spelling error or blaming Howard & Costello, or Abbott.

    I’d be pissed at 6.30am.

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 2:15 pm

    I can’t stand the prospect of listening to Swan. I’ll turn off the sound and read the budget papers when they are up on the Treasury website at 7.30.

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2013 4:08 pm

    Am off today but think I’ll visit friends this evening, I’m sure I’ll hear all about it ad nauseum for the next few weeks & months, right up until the election. Not expecting any changes to the hysterical screeching commentary focus of this blog since the last election.

    libs=surplussurplussurplus, labor=deficitdeficitdeficit, swanswanswan =bad, gillardgillardgillard=worse, commiescommiescommies, abbottabbottabbott=good, great, wonderful & most importantly a man, labor=hopeless, mad, bad untrustworthy & wrong, liberal = purposely left blank to fill in your own fawning man-devotion-without-a-reason.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 🙄 🙄 🙄

  40. May 14, 2013 4:20 pm

    The wit and wisdom of Catching Up…

    “this government has been practising the greatest fiscal consolidation this nation has seen. Yes, it has been cutting back on spending, to find space for new spending…”

    “Cutting back on spending to find space for new spending?” Only a rusted-on Swan/Gillard mouthpiece could say that with a straight face and expect to be taken half-seriously…

    Catching Up should really do stand up. I’d pay….

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 4:29 pm

    “Not expecting any changes to the hysterical screeching commentary critical but sober and reasoned focus of this blog since the last election.”

    So you think Swan is going to serve up more of the same? More promises everyone knows will be broken, more unrealistic revenue estimates, more class warfare, more goodies for the unions and more waste. The only mildly interesting question is how Swan will weave a misogyny attack on Abbott into the speech.

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 4:33 pm

    Fucking Up sounds like a real hoot. Sounds like she has been cutting back on brain cells, but has yet to find space for new ones. Maybe she diets by cutting back on ice cream to make room for chocolate.

  43. May 14, 2013 4:54 pm

    Maybe someone should explain to CU…

    If you cut back on spending money you don’t have to arrive back at a zero balance, that doesn’t mean the same as suddenly having that money you saved to spend on something else…

    It’s not that difficult a concept to understand, or is it……? 😯

  44. May 14, 2013 5:18 pm

    Reb
    at one point I used to work for the now department chain store called “Waltons” this was at a time when the credit card was virtually unknown but they had literally thousands of people on credit accounts and a team of salesmen who used to go around and sell them stuff as soon as they had managed to pay off some of their debt the sales man would tell them that they now had “x” amount of dollars to spend. In essence these poor sods never cleared their debt and paid a usurious interest rate on the debt. Well the point of may anecdote is that Catching up would have been right at home with the Walton’s mindset.

    And no I was not a salesman I was employed to test blow up secondhand washing machines and fridges in the trade in department.

  45. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 5:37 pm

    Highlights from tonight’s trip into Fantasy Land will be

    * A new $25 Billion Road and Rail infrastructure program to be announced probably with incentives for Super Funds to invest.

    *Scrapping of the Baby Bonus and

    * the best joke of the night will be Surplus 2015/2016 year

    Oh…………….and there has been a few changes to the Thin Capitalisation Rules as well apparently.

    The first figure everyone should Zero in on though is the Government Debt Ceiling Figure. That’s the actual worse case scenario for Treasury.

    But really the only way Swan is going to get my attention is if he has something to add about Rolf Harris

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2013 5:44 pm

    He’d look a whole lot less ridiculous if he just stood up and sang:

    “Play your didgeridoo, Blue
    Play your didgeridoo
    Ah, like, keep playin’ ’til I shoot thru, Blue
    Play your didgeridoo”

    a few times and then sat down.

  47. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 6:04 pm

    Oh For Fucksake……………………………….The Baby Bonus will be scrapped but Family Benefit Part A will be INCREASED ……….!

    These idiots just cannot help themselves.

  48. May 14, 2013 6:09 pm

    I thought scrapping the baby bonus was a great idea, until I just read what Evil Walrus wrote above.

    “Family Benefit Part A,” what even is that…?

  49. May 14, 2013 6:16 pm

    If I was Wayne, I would abandon the tax-free status of religious institutions. Judging by the amount that Hillsong rakes in alone, that ought to result in a few extra billion in revenue.

    Also introduce means testing for everything, however the reality is that people earning over $180,000 only represent about 5% of the population…

    I guess that’s why “the new rich” are those earning $85,000 plus.

    Imagine if the Greens had their way, the new rich would be anyone who isn’t on Centrelink…

  50. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 6:30 pm

    ‘A new $25 Billion Road and Rail infrastructure program to be announced probably with incentives for Super Funds to invest.’

    Sydney to Canberra vft?

  51. May 14, 2013 6:32 pm

    BREAKING: Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan issues unconditional guarantee budget will return to surplus in 2058.

  52. May 14, 2013 6:38 pm

    Fascinating. When Tony Abbott said that Julia Gillard is “a piece of work” in question time, Gillard demanded that he retract that remark, which he did, yet Gillard thinks it’s ok to call Tony Abbott “pathetic” in QT today…

    Hypocrisy much….??

  53. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 6:45 pm

    “Also introduce means testing for everything, however the reality is that people earning over $180,000 only represent about 5% of the population…”

    I agree

    A “Family” on anything over $140K MUST NOT GET WELFARE. You cant do it straight away I grant you but you should be able to drop the limit by $10,000 per annum until you get down to around $120K.

    It just encourages bigger and bigger houses that ultimately the taxpayer is subsidising the mortgage for.

    Something must be done

    Maybe some help with Childcare but thats it.

    Then you can actually help pensioners properly and guess what Gillard you fucking idiot.

    They might just vote for you

  54. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 7:00 pm

    More than three-quarters of SMH readers think we’ll be worse off after this budget.

  55. May 14, 2013 7:31 pm

    Julia dressed tonight by Servalan from Blakes 7

  56. May 14, 2013 7:40 pm

    Why Does Wayne sound so nervous, is it because he no longer believes his own bullshit?

    Probably.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 7:41 pm

    “revenue writedown”

    ++glug++

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 7:43 pm

    +++nodding agreement by the women MPs behind Wayne++
    ++Asian century++

    chugalug

  59. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 7:52 pm

    Over $120 million on a pilot program to coerce old empty nesters to give up their mansions and ‘downsize’.

    Seems excessive.

  60. May 14, 2013 7:52 pm

    “Turbo charging productivity for decades to come”

    *Topping up another glass..*

  61. May 14, 2013 7:53 pm

    “Infrastructure for the future”

    *big swig*

  62. May 14, 2013 7:57 pm

    Oh FFS, now it’s something about ANZACS… I guess Wayne considers himself an ANZAC now… 🙄

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 7:58 pm

    “Sustainability”

    That’s worth a bottle!

  64. May 14, 2013 7:59 pm

    “Proud Labor Tradition”

    BINGO!

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 7:59 pm

    Gillard appears to be wearing a Grouho Marx mask.

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 8:01 pm

    “BINGO”

    True, deficits are a proud Wayne Swan tradition

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 8:13 pm

    Typically Leigh Sales goes easy on Swan.

    She doesn’t ask why Swan didn’t qualify his promise of a surplus.

  68. May 14, 2013 8:15 pm

    The rumour on the street is that after tonight’s performance, Wayne will stand down as Treasurer cos he wants to spend more time with his family…

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2013 8:36 pm

    So Swan plans to provide a full decade of deficits, and he thinks this is good economic policy

  70. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 8:51 pm

    Swanny is deferring the renewable stuff until the climate is right, hoping he doesn’t lose the environment vote.

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2013 9:00 pm

    Just heard on the radio we are now paying $14B/year on interest on the debt Labor has racked up since 2007.

    It is a shame because we had no interest payments in 2007 because Costello had paid off all debt.

  72. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 9:34 pm

    Apparently over the past year we have given Europe $7 billion to prop up their economies.

  73. egg permalink
    May 14, 2013 9:54 pm

    “This year we face the second largest revenue write-down since the Great Depression,” Mr Swan said in his budget speech.

  74. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:05 pm

    Yaaaaaaawn

    I just dreamt about a stand up comedian called Swan . Then I woke up.

  75. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:15 pm

    Abolish Family Tax Benefit B

    No increase to Tax Benefit A

    No School Kid Bonus

    No Gonski

    Cut at least 20 000 jobs out of the Federal Public Service since it seems the laziest of those c*nts spend there days running a blog or complaining about how sick they are.

    Cut harder into University funding except medical and science and get stuck up fucking academics to do lectures rather than paid articles and speeches.

    Stop the ridiculous child care ratios that push up the cost of rebates .

    I could go on

  76. public toilet permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:18 pm

    Fiddlesticks!

  77. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:23 pm

    The major business changes seem to be

    * changes to Thin Capitalisation Rules

    * big business ( > $20m turnover )to pay PAYG income tax monthly

    * changes to mining exploration costs.

    So far I don’t see a lot for them to complain about. Most businesses with turnovers like that have an accountant.

    But it is more red tape but no incentives

  78. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:24 pm

    You should be working……..

  79. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:25 pm

    And extend the GST to food .

    But increase the pensions and dole as well

  80. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:32 pm

    public toilet PERMALINK
    May 14, 2013 10:18 pm

    “Fiddlesticks!

    So you are outraged by the changes to Thin Capitalisation Rules I take it .

    LOL

  81. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:35 pm

    How come forecast boat arrivals are 21,000 in one year and they drop the next year to 14,000 ?

    And that coincides with the forecast surplus.

  82. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:56 pm

    Emma A on Lateline is being a bit silly about asking Penny Wong whether changes to Thin Cap Rules will spark an Investment War

    How the F would anyone know ?

    Stupid question.

    The Thin Cap changes seem to be reasonable but I will get an update at .6am

    So stay tune d and come back here around 9:45am as I’ll have you snoring by 10

    LOL

  83. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2013 10:58 pm

    The other budget cut ?

    Cut the Ford Holden and Toyota free

  84. St George. permalink
    May 14, 2013 11:10 pm

    Evil Walrus

    Clearly you don’t have any children.

    Can’t understand why the impotent are so vocal. Perhaps it’s a genetic condition?

    Or perhaps the female of the species just keeps saying no. And, on the evidence available, for good reason.

  85. St George. permalink
    May 14, 2013 11:34 pm

    And i should add that the share market is doing rather rather well, even tonight. LOL.

    FFS.

    Oscar Wilde: “Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

    And the evidence is above.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:58 am

    When the politics gets a ltittle difficult, the snivellers pop in to get personal.

  87. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 8:10 am

    ‘How come forecast boat arrivals are 21,000 in one year and they drop the next year to 14,000 ?

    ‘And that coincides with the forecast surplus.’

    Well caught.

  88. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 8:50 am

    “…….the snivellers pop in to get personal.”

    Yes they are back and it’s quite obvious who it is.

    And yes ToM as usual all the “self-banned” can add to any discussion is sniping

    “Can’t understand why the impotent are so vocal. Perhaps it’s a genetic condition?”

    Is this referring to Julia ? LOL

    It must be very very very frustrating for a dedicated socialist like “St George” to come to the realisation that almost everything this putrid government has done will be blown asunder in September

    I’m laughing at you “St George”……………………it’s very funny reading the anguish and frustration in your posts……………………very funny indeed and very very very satisfying.

    It’s put a smile on my face for today I can assure you.

  89. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 9:05 am

    ‘Labor has pressed the button on big and iconic spending initiatives out to 2020, designed to warm ALP hearts in the coming wilderness. It is a dangerous step.’

    Paul Kelly in the Oz

  90. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 9:44 am

    Graham Richardson was on the Radio yesterday afternoon commenting that after the debacle of Whitlam it was Hawke and Keating who finally restored the ALPs credibility as economic managers.

    He said he was very distressed that Gillard and Swan had completely and utterly smashed that reputation and it would take many many years for the ALP to ever be trusted as economic managers ever again.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 9:48 am

    So no one noticed the Shadow Finance Minister, Andrew Robb’s, gaffe of the evening … too busy gloating and glugging …

    The man should be put down and quickly if LibNits expect to be seen as credible …

    Its like living in Zombie World …

    Wally, could you please explain to people that a budget is just a tool, used to track and plan income and outlay … and a good budget is one that is relatively flexible as times and circumstance change …

    If your outgo is greater than your income, then your upkeep will be your downfall.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On a personal note … we took our jewellery for an independent assessment yesterday (nominated by the insurance company) … first item … “… this is crap …”

    … however it turns out that this “independent” is the rival of the original supplier … “independent” … mmmmmmm … 32 items to go!

  92. May 15, 2013 9:52 am

    It’s hilarious to witness the chaos that’s going down at teh cafe…

    Catching Up’s still convinced that Gillard can win the election and it’s the “rest of Australia” that’s been duped by the misleading hate-filled media.

    Either that, or it’s because Gillard’s a woman, and everyone in Australia hates women…

    (Although I don’t recall anyone complaining about the Attorney General).

    The lone dissenting voice is scaper, who so far, despite the odds, has escaped a random banning.

  93. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 10:22 am

    “(Although I don’t recall anyone complaining about the Attorney General).”

    Well faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark me…………..

    Is there is no end to this Government’s deception.

    So Mark Dreyfuss is a woman………….??????????????????????

  94. May 15, 2013 10:54 am

    I meant the other one Quentin Bryce…

  95. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 11:03 am

    Today even Laura Tingle ( not too unkind to the Government in the past) in the AFR
    has today seen through last night’s Budget and compares it to the “scorched earth” policies of the Soviet Union as it retreated from the German Army destroying everything it could and leaving only ruins behind for its political enemy.

    It’s going to be very interesting how the Opinion Polls see this Budget. I get the feeling that just like Laura Tingle plenty of voters will also see it as just downright economically malicious in its intent and judge the government accordingly.

    I don’t think the polls will narrow too much at all much like they never did in NSW , Queensland or WA. The voters have made up their mind.

    The recurring image I have is of a voter who now has the baseball bat well in hand …………………….who has now had a few practice swings (in NSW, Queensland and WA)………………. and now he or she stands poised ready with the bat raised behind their head just waiting………………just waiting………………….until September when the target finally comes into sight.

    Then WHACK…………………straight out of the Stadium

  96. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 11:55 am

    ‘last night’s Budget and compares it to the “scorched earth” policies of the Soviet Union’

    Yeah, it has that quality about it, but the Treasurer thinks its more like the Great Depression. It’s not our fault we didn’t see it coming.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 12:45 pm

    ”The lone dissenting voice is scaper, who so far, despite the odds, has escaped a random banning.”

    It’s hilarious!!

    The single most discredited, delusional, dumb contributor in the blogosphere is towelling up the cafe crowd without any effort. It says plenty about the overall level of intelligence.

    I think they’ll soon have to ban scpaer, as they hate to be defeated so regularly in a debate, but is it possible for them to find a dumber opponent?

    Perhaps Bacchus can invent another sockpuppet.

  98. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 1:03 pm

    Nils is a regular at the cafe and he’s no dill, as we all know. Tweed also turned up after a spell and is in good form.

  99. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 1:09 pm

    Did anyone else notice that the Oz has dropped its paywall today ?

  100. May 15, 2013 1:15 pm

    Yeah, I’m a regular reader of The Oz.

    *sarcasm alert

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 1:21 pm

    Neil doens’t even try, doesn’t raise a sweat, there’s no need. Neil just posts a factual comment, draws in a couple of dozen mindless types, and snots them.

    I don’t know the others, but if they’re smart, they’ll be banned soon.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 1:52 pm

    Swan’s legacy will be the Treasurer who clocked up the most debt, who had the greatest number of successive debts and who promised even more!

    Go Wayne.

  103. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 2:58 pm

    But what about global warming?

    ‘Ironically, the area where the government has attempted to sneakily take the heat out of their expenses spreadsheet is its climate change and renewable energies initiatives. Its pride and joy.

    ‘It has deferred its $3 billion Australian Renewable Energy Agency program by three years, “saving” $370 million in the forward estimates.

    ‘The agency will happen, apparently, just not this side of 2018.

    ‘It has moved $500 million worth of funding under its Carbon Capture and Storage Flagships Program into years outside the forward estimates, and, in the same sentence, once again, referred to that clear case of fudging as “savings”.

    Andrew Carswell in the Terror

  104. May 15, 2013 3:09 pm

    This is very funny 😆

  105. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 4:20 pm

    Hilarious.

    Parliament’s back and 4 ALP members miss a vote all because they are at lunch resulting in an Opposition amendment to a minor Superannuation Bill being voted on and passed.

    That’s what happens when you get rid of all your veteran whips after a leadership challenge .

    So now the Chief Grub cant even control her own MPs

    Chaos reigns supreme

  106. egg permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:13 pm

    ‘Market analysts are split on Federal Treasury’s revised forecasts for the carbon price, amid confusion about how the new set of figures were obtained.’

    Fin Review

    This has the potential to blow up. Did they get the forecasts from Treasury or Greenpeace?

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:16 pm

    Perhaps Gillard’s tears were the result of realisation that she’s going to be slaughtered in a few months, by a politician that people don’t even like or respect.

    She’s loaded up with an incompetent Treasurer/deputy and a particularly low grade ministry. She has more talent on the backbench than on the front.

    Anyone would cry.

  108. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:31 pm

    “This has the potential to blow up.”

    Yeah …………………but not yet. We will need to wait until after the election to see the real forecasts when they are based on real figures for the first and only time that the new government will allow.

    Only then will we see what Swan has moved sideways to massage or selectively understated (like new boat arrivals) to arrive at his 2016 Surplus

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:38 pm

    Not much to comment on here … just the usual … ToM, the PM’s tears were genuine according to journo’s … (lot of kick ’em when their down here ..)

    Accuse others of Groupthink and the signs are plain to see here …

    If the Gillard government is to fall … now is the time for you to be scrutinising the Coalition LibNits “government in waiting” … if you don’t they’ll go down quickly too …

    I just want someoen to step up to the plate who ahs some idea of running the bloody place!

    Flummery and hairy fairy promises (I see no-one picked up on Andrew Robb’s mumbling BS last night … too busy gorging on the ALP …)

    Clever Palmer seems to have a leg in … he’ll have 150 seats covered … apparently …

    I’m quite looking forward to a wide ranging group of pollies in the new Parliament …

  110. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:50 pm

    Further insight into the idiocy………………..or utter lunacy that is Wayne Swan

    Today he used a rugby league analogy and he uttered these immortal words………….

    “………’we’ve always been a country that runs the ball right up the middle on the fifth tackle.’ …….”

    Anyone who knows anything about NRL knows full well that that is the last thing you would actually do on the fifth tackle.

    Apparently a journalist from Channel 7 News or Today Tonight tore him apart on it which I imagine will be all over their news tonight.

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:52 pm

    Say whatever you like about Julia Gillard, she is far and away the best female Prime Minister this country has ever had!

  112. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 5:58 pm

    It’s quite hilarious.

    Gillard moving imaginary revenue here and there boosted by imaginary revenue from areas that have failed them in the past (Carbon and Mining taxes).

    Then she sets about moving expenditure back and forth moving a bit here then a bit over there until her fantasy is complete.

    Has anyone seen “Downfall” with the utter delusional Hitler moving imaginary German Divisions from “here to there” then back and forth moving a bit here then a bit over there until his fantasy is complete.

    She’s completely delusional

  113. May 15, 2013 6:23 pm

    “we’ve always been a country that runs the ball right up the middle on the fifth tackle.”

    I heard that and thought “I have no idea WTF he’s talking about…”

    Maybe he would’ve made more sense if he had just said something about molecules…

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:47 pm

    Has anyone seen “Downfall”

    LOL! I’m downloading it right now on uTorrent!!!!

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:48 pm

    “I have no idea WTF he’s talking about…”

    This is probably not an isolated moment though, sreb … 😉

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:55 pm

    I think Wayne is on his 7th or 8th tackle.

    He’s making as much sense as Tommy Raudonikis, though I hope that’s not too disrespectful to a League great who just seems to use words at random.

  117. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:16 pm

    Since I couldn’t make it here on budget night, I’ll be playing my own game of Tony Abbott’s Budget-in-reply bingo tonight. Don’t mind me, just go about your business.

  118. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:32 pm

    “High Dollar”

    Slurp

  119. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:33 pm

    We’re a good people let down by a bad government.

    Hear, hear.

  120. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:33 pm

    “Margie and I”

    😉

  121. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:34 pm

    “No surprises and no excuses”

    Chugalug

  122. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:36 pm

    “Tax cuts funded by smaller government”

    Onya Tones.

  123. May 16, 2013 7:36 pm

    WTF is Margie? Margie from The Simpsons…??

  124. May 16, 2013 7:37 pm

    Abbott sounds just as condescending as Julia…

    Why is it that they both talk to us like we’re in pre-school…?

  125. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:38 pm

    Margy? I dunno. His missus.

  126. May 16, 2013 7:38 pm

    I guess everyone on the Coalition side got the memo: “wear something blue”.

  127. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:39 pm

    Gillard looks angry.

    😯

  128. May 16, 2013 7:42 pm

    I think Tony’s splashed out on a new suit and crisp white shirt for today’s performance…

    Or at the very least, the suit’s been dry-cleaned…

    (Just saying)

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:42 pm

    he talks as if he thinks a surplus is a bad thing

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:43 pm

    surplus deficit

  131. May 16, 2013 7:43 pm

    “During the Howard years”

    *sip*

  132. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:45 pm

    “We’ll have parliamentary sitting days dedicated to repealing laws”

    Hoofuckinray!

  133. May 16, 2013 7:45 pm

    As much as I hate him, he’s making some good points..

  134. May 16, 2013 7:46 pm

    “revitalise work for the dole”

    😯

  135. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:47 pm

    “Tough cop on the beat”

    Guzzle

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:48 pm

    Why is it that they both talk to us like we’re in pre-school…?

    Fuckwits all …

    Pension rates good!!

  137. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:48 pm

    “Foreign policy based on Jakarta, not Geneva”

    😯

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:49 pm

    He’ll STOP THE BOATS!

  139. May 16, 2013 7:49 pm

    “Stop the boats!”

    Drinking straight from the bottle…

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:49 pm

    CUT PS!

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:50 pm

    Leave super ALONE!

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:51 pm

    At least for a first term … lol!

  143. May 16, 2013 7:51 pm

    “You cant spend what you dont have”

    Tell that to Catching Up… 🙄

  144. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:51 pm

    “you can’t spend what you don’t have”

    Slogans ‘r’ us.

  145. May 16, 2013 7:51 pm

    Who stacked the public gallery with clapping suits….?

  146. May 16, 2013 7:52 pm

    Gillard’s doing a weird nodding thing.

  147. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:53 pm

    Budget Crisis.

    Skol.

  148. May 16, 2013 7:54 pm

    “my charity work (while still getting paid)”

    *glug*

  149. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:55 pm

    “A Grown-up Government”

    Nice.

  150. May 16, 2013 7:56 pm

    “a whitepaper”

    *sip*

  151. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:58 pm

    “The federal government employs six thousand health bureaucrats even though it doesn’t run a single hospital.”

    Gimmee another drink, FFS.

  152. May 16, 2013 7:59 pm

    “I’m offering what should be normal”

    Oh the irony…

  153. May 16, 2013 8:00 pm

    And the crowd erupts!

  154. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 8:00 pm

    Nice speech by our next prime minister.

  155. May 16, 2013 8:00 pm

    I wonder how Julia and Wayne feel now?

    Completely fucked over springs to mind…

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 8:02 pm

    Oh the hypocrisy!

    Let’s get rid of the old and the stupid …

    My vote will be going to Clivey at this stage … but I’ll remain open to bribes other options …

  157. May 16, 2013 8:02 pm

    I have to admit, despite how much I hate him, it was a really good speech…

    It’ll be an Abbott led govt in a landslide at the election.

    Gillard doesn’t deserve anything less.

  158. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 8:06 pm

    What did he say on superannuation? I must have missed it.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2013 8:14 pm

    ”What did he say on superannuation?

    According to ALP barrackers I predict he will have said-
    • No woman shall have an abortion
    • George Pell will be the next Governor General, followed by Sir Rupert Murdoch*
    • The tax on superannuation for low income earners will be 100%
    • People in the mining industry will be required to work for $2 per day
    • Gina Reinhart is tax exempt

    * did I mention that he intends to restore imperial honours?

  160. IPA address permalink
    May 16, 2013 8:24 pm

    Oh that’s all right then. I was afraid he might have said something radical and scared the horses. 😉

  161. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:19 pm

    “LOL! I’m downloading it right now on uTorrent!!!!”

    I think it’s one of the best ww2 movies ever. Not forgetting Das Boat .

  162. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:25 pm

    Abbott was surprisingly good.

    If I was a Canberra public servant I’d be afraid…….. Very afraid.

    And if I even lived there. Well your property price will fall .

    LOL

    PS it’s interesting to see a certain blogger from the blue rinse set was blogging from Canberra this week.

    I would have thought Darling Harbour was more halfway LOL

  163. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:30 pm

    “I have to admit, despite how much I hate him, it was a really good speech…”

    I’ve never really liked him since university . He kept shutting things down with his dumb protests.

    A mate of mine reminded me the other night that he got a Radio Birdman concert cancelled.

    But he was PM stuff tonight

  164. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:39 pm

    Christopher Pyne and Warren Ench , or however its spelt, looked like complete idiots today.

    All over a sick kid

    What were they thinking ?

    Stoooopid

    But it hardly reflects on Abbott

  165. Ol' Sancty permalink
    May 16, 2013 11:06 pm

    “Pathetic,” he said. s’ That’s what it is. Pathetic.”

    He turned and walked slowly down the stream for twenty yards, splashed across it, and walked slowly back on the other side. Then he looked at himself in the water again.

    “As I thought,” he said. “No better from this side. But nobody minds. Nobody cares. Pathetic, that’s what it is.”

  166. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 11:14 pm

    Sancty are you implying a Pooh Bear conspiracy ?

    Bad Bear…very Bad Bear

  167. egg permalink
    May 16, 2013 11:18 pm

    I missed the whole thing, but after reading the comments here it appears the Coalition will win the next election in a canter.

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2013 9:16 am

    I’ve listened to Bill Shorten on the radio this morning, he’s feigning apoplexy, seems to be near panic. Typically he over stated his case.

    Penny Wong was also full of contradictory comments. She’s proving to be a dill.

    But where were Gillard and Swan? They must have read the research that shows that people just don’t listen to them.

  169. egg permalink
    May 17, 2013 10:40 am

    The baby bonus dumping was a popular move… 93% of SMH readers support the idea.

  170. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 10:44 am

    One thing that has been little spoken about in Swan’s budget was the increase in income tax.

    The increase in the tax fee threshold to $19,400 previously announced to take effect in 2015/16 has been indefinitely deferred, however, the second marginal rate will still increase from 32.5% to 33% from 1 July 2015.

    So if you are on say $80,000 p.a. you will find yourself paying an additional $215 p.a.. OK not a lot but then you will also be paying the increase in the Medicare Levy as well which is another $400 p.a.

    So most will be around $12 per week worse off.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 12:14 pm

    Gillard doesn’t deserve anything less.

    I agree, sreb … but we don’t …

    And if I even lived there. Well your property price will fall .

    What an awful thought … living in Canberra … yuk!

    The delaying of the 12% compusory super “again” by the Liberals is a silly move … if the right are so “against” welfare … why help to create it in retirement? Unless its about control of folk?

    Like the “pairing” stupidity …

    I’m thinking Clivey might be the one … if he’s already a billionaire, he’s not doing it for the money and he isn’t a politician … that two points above any other wannabe PM …

    And he actually talks about Australia and Australians …

    And Clivey told, Noddy Newman, and The Noobs to go and get fkd … even if I vote UAP and nothing happens I’ve made a protest …

    As for tax, Wally, you can’t have your cake and eat it … if we want things to improve our living standards as a society you have to pay … if you don’t want to share your good fortune being a rich delet, delete, delete, then buy an island … 🙂

  172. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 12:19 pm

    “The delaying of the 12% compusory super “again” by the Liberals is a silly move …”

    It was supposed to be funded by giving companies a 1% tax cut remember. Plus you can guarantee that most federal pubic servants would have received a “flow thru” on top of the 17% super they already get.

  173. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 12:54 pm

    TB you can harp on all you want about the superannuation change but as an example of rising business costs Palm Beach will lose another of its Cafes on Sundays.

    An owner of 2 cafes where I sometimes get Sunday breakfast is closing up one shop on Sundays and laying off permanently 2 casual staff who are Uni and Tafe students . Needless to say they were in tears when told.

    He is also not going to open either shop at all on public holidays.

    The minimum rate for casuals according to him is $21.31 per hour and on a Sunday its $30.00 per hour which with super, payroll tax and workers comp becomes $34.30 according to him.

    If it’s a public holiday the rate after on costs becomes $48.00 per hour. Like he said he just cant sell enough cappucinnos or croissants to cover it anymore.

    And he’s not a well to do either . He drives a Toyota Hiace and his wife drives a 10 year old Holden and they live in the north west of Sydney at Hornsby.

    This nation has its head up its arse if it still thinks it can pay penalties like that fashioned from an era when things were only open Monday to Friday yet we all know it’s a Monday to Sunday world now.

    These are the job losses we dont hear about.

    Lord knows what the real rate of underemployment is if you only ned to work 1 hour per week to be counted as “employed”

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 1:29 pm

    This nation has its head up its arse if it still thinks it can pay penalties like that fashioned from an era when things were only open Monday to Friday yet we all know it’s a Monday to Sunday world now.

    Mmmmmm … think about that, Wally … let’s make money at the expense of family … oh that’s right you don’t have one … people are not the grist for your money machines …

    Owners and managers have always whinged about the cost of labour … for centuries …

    A true tale … I was once “given” a business along with the two consultants! After i did the sums (and checked out the consultants) I gave the bus iness back … we would have gained $20,000pa for the heartache of looking after these two unqualified “used car salesmen” flogging management training …

    The compulsory super has always been in lieu of a wage increase anyway …

    My family stopped going to my local tavern for a meal when we discovered the 10% surcharge wasn’t going to the staff … but into the owner’s pocket …

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2013 1:50 pm

    Students need work, in cafes and retail. They don’t need $40/hr on Sundays to earn some spending money.

  176. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 2:02 pm

    “Mmmmmm … think about that, Wally … let’s make money at the expense of family … oh that’s right you don’t have one …”

    Besides the weird snipe, a la N5 the relevance of which to my post could only be obvious to a c**t, it would appear that I’m quite correct as to you being one of those with head firmly planted up arse.
    So using your logic those 2 students were left in tears due to having to spend more time with their families.

    Not due to their need to work .

    Yeah…………..that’s so logical.

    Besides I didnt say no penalty rates I’m simply pointing out that they are punitive

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 2:31 pm

    And I was talking about owners wanting a USA system of $2 an hour plus tips … and expecting people to work seven days a week …

    And I apologise for the snipe … but I’ve actually employed hundreds of people in different jobs I’ve had … and most of my own immediate adult family have all been exploited at one time or another …

    Its not “punitive” its the cost of business … the cost of wanting a seven day working week … pushed for by the retailers association … not workers …

    You may not realise it, but traditionally, take away food businesses don’t open on Monday … because they always opened Saturday and Sunday … I only know because my parents owned a chippie … fish and chip shop … when I was a boy in the UK …

    … many of our local t/aways close on Mondays here …

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 2:33 pm

    and most of my own immediate adult family have all been exploited at one time or another …

    Not by me! 🙂

    Actually I have always had a policy of never employing friends or family … the one exception was, The Minister, working as the, Business Manager, in our own business …

  179. grodo permalink
    May 17, 2013 2:47 pm

    It now seems likely that a double D election won’t be necessary, as they are confident of winning both houses in a landslide.

    This is necessary if we are to dismantle that pernicious tax.

  180. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 3:42 pm

    Apology accepted.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 3:50 pm

    … as they are confident of winning both houses in a landslide.

    And Abbott will make the same “promise” as Howard no doubt … 🙄

  182. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 4:00 pm

    I just had a look at the Restaurant Award.

    What a quagmire. If anyone works between 10pm and 7am there’s even more penalties as a percentage on top of the existing penalties.

    “… many of our local t/aways close on Mondays here …”

    Not in Palm Beach

  183. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 4:02 pm

    “Its not “punitive” its the cost of business … the cost of wanting a seven day working week … pushed for by the retailers association … not workers …”

    I’m talking about food retail not merchandise.

    Most people I know tend to eat 7 days per week LOL

  184. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 4:15 pm

    I think Abbott has learnt from Howards Workchoices mistake. In fact he did’nt even like the full brew Workchoices according to most sources. Neither did Hockey.

    Why is it that the really radical shit from both parties seems to eminate from Victoria (Reith and Gillard)and SA (Minchin) ?

    Given the way Howard basically used Abbott as his chief attack dog and given that back then Abbott had Costello and Turnbull well ahead of him as likely leaders I find it hard to believe that Abbott even gave himself any realistic hope of becoming PM.

    For that reason alone I don’t think he would squander it so quickly once he gets there.

  185. May 17, 2013 5:45 pm

    I’m with you, TB.

    Only the ‘established’, those who have the fat wallet to expect ‘service’, call for the dismantling of awards &/or penalty rates.

    Easy from afar, when you aren’t the one working obscure, anti-social hours.

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:22 pm

    For that reason alone I don’t think he would squander it so quickly once he gets there.

    Oh yes he will, Workchoices II, here we come … you don’t really think Tony Abbott is bright enough to “run” the parliamentary wing of LIBERAL PARTY … do you …

    … that’s my main concern with the LibNits taking power … a sense of born to rule … and I must say, you breathe the same “sense” here, every day …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Easy from afar … Or , as in Wally’s, mind, methinks, from above …

    Crawling up that ladder is a bit more difficult than, Wally, would want or understands …

    One thing that struck me was that the TAFE (sob) students had to be put off because the owner couldn’t make a profit …

    If we live in a market society … many small businesses go broke every WEEK in Oz … always have …

    … and its not because they don’t provide good product, (service is usually a bit dodgy) but because the owners don’t know how to run a business … they gamble …

    … eg I knew it cost me $15k pa just to “be” a business ie open the doors) … my fixed and variable costs … I knew what my closest competitors charged … I developed a marketing plan … I had a website (and owned, .com .com.au, au.com etc) I had policies, procedures, Job and Task descriptions and we held a weekly meeting every Monday, or immediately after I came back from a field trip … and I ran a business from home with my wife!

    Businesses go broke because the owners don’t know how to manage them … not because they have to pay wages and service conditions … they don’t do the homework … and then whinge to their rich customers … whose main concern is where to get a coffee if they close …

  187. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:22 pm

    “Only the ‘established’, those who have the fat wallet to expect ‘service’, call for the dismantling of awards &/or penalty rates.
    Easy from afar, when you aren’t the one working obscure, anti-social hours.”

    That’s strange. I never realized that in the 21st century Saturdays and Sundays are so obscure and anti-social.

    I must try and keep up with the times.

    Anyway I don’t give a “rats” whether they get abolished or not since I can go and get Sunday breakfast somewhere else. More commonly these days from a family operation where the sons and daughters work for ordinary or perhaps time and a half at best on a Saturday or Sunday.

    Oh and never mind that those types of operations make it even more difficult for the café owner I’m talking about to compete under the Award.

    Those 2 Uni/TAFE students I’d imagine are quite happy now to not even have jobs . A huge relief I’d imagine.

    I’m sure they’ll enjoy their extra leisure time on the weekend whilst living in abject squalor.

    Better to have no job at all and live in poverty rather than be exploited by being paid anything less than double time.

    Yep………………….us oldies sure know better about what’s good for them.

  188. May 17, 2013 6:31 pm

    “Anyway I don’t give a “rats” whether they get abolished or not since I can go and get Sunday breakfast somewhere else.”

    I love it when your “compassionate side” comes out… 😯

  189. May 17, 2013 6:32 pm

    “I never realized that in the 21st century Saturdays and Sundays are so obscure and anti-social.”

    That hardly surprises me.

    While the rest of the country knocks off on Friday afternoon, returning to work on Monday, it’s those getting penalty rates who ‘miss out’ on that same, common (to non obscure hour working) leisure time.

    “………………….us oldies sure know better about what’s good for them.”

    Bullshit. Some do, others are so far removed from ‘how the other half live’ that they will always struggle to comprehend their subsistence existences.

  190. May 17, 2013 6:34 pm

    Awards & Penalty Rates should be protected at all costs …coz once the Upper Percentile strip them away they will never come back.

    Like a lot of the Enterprise Bargaining ‘Agreements’ I’ve been involved in, it’s an incremental process of erosion of conditions of employment.

  191. May 17, 2013 6:36 pm

    Easy to advocate taking a little off of some poor bastard, working antisocial hours, who is on crumbs anyway…but usually only easy if the perspective is from On High.

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:38 pm

    us oldies sure know better about what’s good for them.

    I think that was an obscure dig at me, Toillette …

    Awards & Penalty Rates should be protected at all costs

    And conditions, T, public holidays, annual leave, long service leave … these days worker comp is at risk!

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:39 pm

    … but usually only easy if the perspective is from On High.

    And on individual contracts …

  194. May 17, 2013 6:40 pm

    “others are so far removed from ‘how the other half live’ that they will always struggle to comprehend their subsistence existences.

    Very fkn true!

  195. May 17, 2013 6:44 pm

    “And conditions, T, public holidays, annual leave, long service leave … these days worker comp is at risk!”

    Afknmen…and I mean that in the most unreligious way that I can possibly convey the sentiment.

  196. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:47 pm

    “I think that was an obscure dig at me, Toillette … ”

    Actually no.

    It was a general comment on the situation facing unskilled workers.i.e. especially students who can only work weekends perhaps 6 or 7 hours.

    I’m sure they’d prefer to have some income at 1.5 times rather than nothing on 2 and 2.5 times.

    And then the cafe might remain open.

    At the moment the husband and wife plus the students lose.

  197. May 17, 2013 6:50 pm

    The fuckers would prefer a whole workforce comprised of Labour Hire Agency workers. Expendable, no need for annual leave, sick leave etc.

    What a Glorious New World under the unconstrained Freemarketeers.

    It’s hard to get a leg up when the shiny shoes of the monopoly entitled are on your fucken head.

  198. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 17, 2013 6:50 pm

    “One thing that struck me was that the TAFE (sob) students had to be put off because the owner couldn’t make a profit … ”

    Yes……………strange that…………………fancy needing to make a profit. Much better to rack up losses.

    As for “………..but because the owners don’t know how to run a business … they gamble …”

    Yeah………………….after 15 years running 2 shops what the fuck would he know LOL

    *******************************Shakes Head *****************************

  199. May 17, 2013 6:52 pm

    I don’t necessarily see your stance as vindictive, Evil One.

    I can see sense in what you are saying…but, I am predisposed to strongly resist the targeting of conditions of employment. They tend to be removed, but rarely reinstated.

  200. May 17, 2013 7:00 pm

    I think what the Evil one is trying to say, (if I’m not mistaken), is that it’s hard to run a business that sells sandwiches and coffee, and pay two or three staff members $25 an hour, and expect to be able to make a profit.

    Having run a restaurant myself, I can attest that it’s very hard to make money from food.

    Rather than investing $250,000 in starting up a restaurant, you’d actually be better off just sticking that money in a bank deposit with a fixed interest return.

    You’d make more money and you wouldn’t have all the headaches of running a business that barely breaks even..

    Anyone else noticed lately that an increasing number of Sydney’s so-called “top” restaurants are closing cos they can’t even generate a return….?

    If the “best” restaurants with well-established reputations and high prices cant even make a profit, what does that tell you about the whole industry….

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2013 7:02 pm

    It is possible to arrange penalties that promote small business, for example, retail or hospitality business that are sole proprietors and employ (say) less than 15 people, can employ full time students on weekends at the base casual rate.

    What’s the problem with this?

    (other than speculation about thin ends of wedges)
    ——
    I’m now off for plenty of red, and some food.

  202. May 17, 2013 7:04 pm

    I sympathise, but, you can’t expect people to work for spit while every other cnut is relaxing on the weekend.

    Like it or not, it is a disadvantage to work weekends, afternoons(really late evenings), nights or public holidays.

    Those who’ve never had to do it are generally oblivious to the things they take for granted…like being able to catch up with family or friends at the end of the week/end of the working day.

  203. May 17, 2013 7:09 pm

    “What’s the problem with this?”

    Well, not everyone who works weekends is a student, for a start.

    And, did I mention “it’s an incremental process of erosion of conditions of employment.”?

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 7:14 pm

    I’m sure they’d prefer to have some income at 1.5 times rather than nothing on 2 and 2.5 times.

  205. May 17, 2013 7:20 pm

    did I mention “it’s an incremental process of erosion of conditions of employment.”?

    Or better known under its euphemism “workplace flexibility”…

  206. May 17, 2013 7:27 pm

    The Slippery Slope argument is far more relevant to IR than the rest of the Right’s fetish phobias, YomM.

    ie. gay marriage= no threat to anyone…eroding employment conditions for the marginal= they may as well not bother to work at all.

    People have pride…even those who aren’t established enough to be nonchalant about a few hours of paid work by others, here and there.

  207. May 17, 2013 7:29 pm

    One sided flexibility, reb, sold under the guise of ‘options’ to the employee. Not in this Labour market though.

    More like the ‘flexibility’ to cut Labour costs (warranted or therwise, it places all Labour in the crosshairs; particularly young & unskilled).

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2013 7:31 pm

    Ignore last post! Tech glitch …

    I can see sense in what you are saying…but, I am predisposed to strongly resist the targeting of conditions of employment. They tend to be removed, but rarely reinstated.

    And its not as if they are new … FFS!

    Yeah………………….after 15 years running 2 shops what the fuck would he know LOL

    So what’s happened?

    Anyone else noticed lately that an increasing number of Sydney’s so-called “top” restaurants are closing cos they can’t even generate a return….?

    Here’s a clue … $40 dollars + for a main meal as small as an entree delivered late, cold, uncooked, overcooked, ad hoc and just plonked down infront of you … bottle of imported beer $9 … glass of ordinary wine for $8 (bottle $45) … cup of coffee $8 …

    How much are wages again? Locals are not tourists … COMPETITION?

    If the “best” restaurants with well-established reputations and high prices cant even make a profit, what does that tell you about the whole industry….

    Too many trying too fleece too many … welcome to the free market economy … eventually (intelligent) people wake up and have family occasions at home …

    BTW, my family enjoy a good night out at a a restaurant … and there is eleven of us … but you only fk with us once!

  209. May 17, 2013 7:36 pm

    Conditions were hard fought; something that non-Labour employees are often ignorant of.

    They are much easier to coerce, cajole, extricate & remove. Enterprise bargaining is a double edged sword; particularly if a majority of the bottom end of the Enterprise is uninformed.
    At least there is strength in numbers; something which the employees of small business are bereft of; hence the ease of targeting them.

  210. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:00 am

    “I think what the Evil one is trying to say, (if I’m not mistaken), is that it’s hard to run a business that sells sandwiches and coffee, and pay two or three staff members $25 an hour, and expect to be able to make a profit.”

    That’s right reb

    I agree there should be penalties upto a certain percentage say 150 to 175%. But 250. % on a public holiday plus a penalty % on top of that after 10pm and before 7am whether its a public holiday or not ?

    How can a small joint do that. Especially competing with a family setup.

    No chance.

  211. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:28 am

    While we are at it lets go to big business.

    Lets assume you all are in favour of keeping Holden and Ford here.

    If Holden and Ford receive taxpayers money shouldn’t they go under a “quarantine” from general IR laws.

    If you and I are paying for uneconomic vehicles why should ANYONE get penalties or any salary increase

    That might be a bit abrupt the way I have phrased it but I chunk you can see where I’m coming from.

  212. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:30 am

    Chunk = think

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 10:13 am

    Lets assume you all are in favour of keeping Holden and Ford here.

    Chuckle …

    What about market forces? Nissan didn’t get help … Mitsubishi didn’t …

    If Holden and Ford receive taxpayers money shouldn’t they go under a “quarantine” from general IR laws.

    Like most Liberal rusteds you don’t want any IR restrictions on labour use … at all … the companies shouldn’t be given taxpayers money … it should be loaned … or not at all …

    I still shuder when I think of the million dollars given to Kodak to keep their Melbourne film processing plant operational … when it was obvious to anyone intersted in film or photography that digital was sweeping the industry/profession … Kodak STILL fumble with digital imagery … sometimes businesses should die …

    If you and I are paying for uneconomic vehicles why should ANYONE get penalties or any salary increase

    Because it is part their employment CONTRACT. The workers you are talking about don’t get any say in how the business is run (as they do in Germany) … Australian business in general and particularly big business, has never embraced industrial democracy … therefore if you simply “buy” labour, rather than include real team members in the soft and hard decisions … then you pay.

    Involving the troops and their ideas, from the ground, up works … pity most managers don’t know how (ignorance) or won’t give it a try (ego) …

    Either we live in a market economy or we don’t … and if we do, then wages and conditions are part of how you do business …

    What’s really amusing is that wages and conditions are easily calculated as a fixed cost … and yet its the first area that incompetent managers want to “play” with …

    Back to small business … the big crunch for most is the rent … a property generally owned by a Robber Baron type … so the owner won’t tackle him/her … to renogotiate … or simply move to a cheaper location … much easier and quicker to terminate the employment of TAFE students … which reduces quality of service … which turns away customers … spiral …

  214. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 10:23 am

    ‘Back to small business … the big crunch for most is the rent …’

    Agree.

  215. outlander permalink
    May 18, 2013 11:23 am

    Meanwhile here in SA. Car companies shafted the SA gov.
    Mitsubishi did get help, then pulled the pin, after the 380 flopped.
    Holden is likely to do the same judging by their latest stunt after being given squillions.
    Yeh, don’t hold your hopes to high on the libs helping small business.
    I don’t remember getting any help from them when I started up in small business in 2000.
    When GST goes up we will just be collecting more tax for them.
    Rent is a problem, it is becoming a growing trend for business people buying their business premises as a super investment, then renting back to yourself……If you can afford it.

  216. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 11:40 am

    ‘… buying their business premises as a super investment, then renting back to yourself……If you can afford it.’

    The initial outlay is heavy, but allows for greater flexibility.

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:33 pm

    Too many trying too fleece too many … welcome to the free market economy … eventually (intelligent) people wake up and have family occasions at home …

    Exactly, australian ‘battlers’ have decided that they hate working for anybody, can’t take orders from anyone, they all know best and why shouldn’t they just grab the customers and profits themselves. Lots of great tax incentives too, courtesy of our trickle up economic system. They expect employees to dangle on the end of the phone for the 1 or 2 hrs of work they throw their way. They whinge about paying any tax, no-one else works as hard as they do, and dole bludgers and the poor are just lazy shits who have never tried or wanted to better themselves, whip them or force them into the army to sort them out.

    Oh, and the government should give them every assistance and make their employees work for next to nothing, no right to refuse any and every demand made of them [duty related or not] while imposing no obligations on the business owner. Workers should never whinge about anything because they have the magical saviour of superannuation [taxed more for the poor] for a future time when they are too sick and defeated to ever enjoy it.

    *sniff*

  218. May 18, 2013 12:55 pm

    *sniff*
    not to mention the under-employed, that have had their better paying industries sent off-shore and now work at jobs that only pay a fraction of the `skilled` rate, or don`t have `continual` work, thus, they only earn a fraction of potential, and the superannuation too.

    Both sides of Govt have created the future pensioners that superannuation was meant to reduce. T-bag theory in action.

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 1:36 pm

    Mitsubishi did get help, then pulled the pin, after the 380 flopped.

    Yes, ol, they did …

    … what I should have said is that other foreign car companies were allowed to follow, John Button’s, plan …

    … some people seem to think that GMH and Ford are Australian … chuckle … and should be propped up as their sales plummet …

    What Australia needs to do is identify what we are good at … and it ain’t competing in vehicle manufacturing … (having said that we MUST maintain our ability as a nation to produce goods …)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Both sides of Govt have created the future pensioners that superannuation was meant to reduce. T-bag theory in action.

    Yep! Talk about a “false economy” … and “where’s the CBA and ROI?” …

    Hypocrites all … I simply turned Lateline off last night … as I shook my head …

    BTW, 007, make sure when you next visit the ABC boardroom that you tell them …

    “TB, says – BRING BACK, MICALLEF, or I’ll be MAD AS HELL!

  220. outlander permalink
    May 18, 2013 1:50 pm

    What brand of car would the PM drive if there was no Holden?

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