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It’s My Party and I’ll Cry if I Want To

May 15, 2013

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You would cry too if this happened to you.

Nobody knows where my popularity’s gone, it seemed to be fun for a while.

But now the voters have woken up to my game, and I’m as popular as bile.

It’s my party, and I’ll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to.

You would cry too if this happened to you.

When I turfed Kev from the job me an Wayne thought this gig would be a blast.

But now the voters don’t want us no more, and our political careers are just a thing of the past.

It’s my party, and I’ll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to.

You would cry too if it happened to you.

So here I stand, wondering how it all went so horribly wrong. Was it a mistake to knife Kevin Rudd?

That’s one thing all of Australia agrees, I’ve just turned out to be a complete dud.

Oh it’s my party, and I’ll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to.

You would cry too if this happened to you.

 

Altogether now…

 

 

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  1. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:22 pm

    Can we have a poem as well ?

    Maybe a cooking recipe ?

  2. May 15, 2013 6:32 pm

    I was all right for a while, I could smile for a while.

    But then I saw the polls last night, and I stared in fright.

    As Kevin stopped to say “hello”.

    You wished me well, you couldn’t tell…

    That I’d been cry-i-i-i-ng over you, cry-i-i-i-ng over you..

    Then you said “it serves you right” and left me standing all alone..

    Alone and crying, crying, crying cry-i-ing…

    It’s hard for me to understand how you’re still much more popular than me…

    But the cheers from your fans, and the touch of your hand..

    Can start me crying..

    Crying, crying, crying cry-i-ing…

    I thought that I was over you but it’s tru-ue, so true

    I hate you even more than I did before but Kevin what can I do-o-o-o

    For you won’t vote for me, and so I’ll always be…

    Cry-i-i-i-ng over you, cry-i-i-i-ng over you..

    Yes, now I’m gone, and from this moment on

    I’ll be crying, crying, crying, cry-i-i-ing

    Yeah crying, crying, o-o-o-o-ver yooouuuuse!!

  3. May 15, 2013 6:39 pm

    I know all there is to know about the lying game
    I’ve had my share of the lying game

    First there are promises, then there are lies
    And then before you know where you are
    You’re sayin’ goodbye

    One day soon I’m gonna tell Kevin Rudd about the lying game
    And if he knows maybe he’ll explain

    Why there are heartaches, why there are tears
    And what to do to stop feeling blue
    When voters disappear

    I know all there is to know about the lying game
    I’ve had my share of the lying game

    First there are promises, then there are lies
    And then before you know where you are…

    You’re sayin’ goodbye…

  4. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:49 pm

    This just goes to show how totally Zombie like is the obsession with Rupert Murdoch
    **********************************************************************
    I just popped in at another Bucketful of Madness Blogsite and one of our favourite Bears (LOL) posted this little bit…………

    “TROUBLING TIMES DUE TO MURDOCH EMPIRE INFLUENCE OVER POLICE FORCES…AND LACK OF APPROPRIATE ACTION TO DEAL WITH THIS CORPORATE MENACE TO SOCIETY:

    Another problem was Lindy Chamberlain. The Herald Sun did a comprehensive job of planting the idea of that unfortunate woman’s guilt in my mother’s mind to the extent that she could never accept her acquittal and release from prison. Like the jury that put Lindy Chamberlain behind bars, my mother was not interested in the evidence heard in the court. It was enough that when her baby went missing Lindy wore nice clothes and didn’t cry for the cameras. Those are the telling details that establish guilt, and the Herald Sun was there for its readers reporting between the lines the truth they would never get from official sources. “

    Note his claim that the Evil Murdoch Empire influenced his Mum
    ******************************************************************************
    Then I checked Lindy Chamberlain on Wiki……….

    “By an indictment presented to the Supreme Court of the Northern Territory in September 1982, Lindy Chamberlain was charged with the murder of Azaria Chamberlain and Michael Chamberlain was charged with being an accessory after the fact. On 29 October 1982 the Chamberlains were both found guilty as charged.[9]”………..”

    So Lindy was jailed in 1982

    *****************************************************************************
    Then I checked News Limited on Wiki…………

    “News Limited expanded its newspaper holdings in 1987 when it acquired The Herald and Weekly Times, which published two newspapers in Melbourne (in 1990 these papers would be combined to form the Herald Sun) as well as large stakes in several other newspaper publishers. News Limited went on to acquire the remaining shares of Brisbane’s Queensland Newspapers (owner of The Courier-Mail), Adelaide’s Advertiser Newspapers (owner of The Advertiser) and Hobart’s Davies Brothers (owner of The Mercury).”

    Murdoch didn’t even own the fucking Herald Sun in 1982.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:50 pm

    Bloody hell, sreb!

    You can actually sing to those “lyrics” … well done, indeed! Impressed!

  6. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:50 pm

    Noice poem Reb

  7. May 15, 2013 6:52 pm

    I thank youse..

    Maybe you should do a recording TB…?

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 6:56 pm

    Bloody hell, Wally! You’re actually researching shit!

    I must check to see if the sky is still up there!

    BTW, Lindy C was guilty we all know that …

    And if you read the, Courier Mail**, stories (bottom of news.com.au) they don’t demsonstrate too much bias at all … in fact they’ve given, Noddy Newman & The Nincompoops, a bit of a pizzleing on more than one occasion!

    **(the only state rag now)

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:02 pm

    A photo of the band, singing a few of these numbers TB is bottom right.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:04 pm

    HEAVENS!! YOU MEAN NASKING IS WRONG!!

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:06 pm

    Maybe you should do a recording TB…?

    Not that bloody, Lying Game, the rendition in the film of the same name put me off it for life, ugh! (The film had a good plot though …)

    “Crying”, might have a look in … I’ve got the backing track for it!!! 😆

    Still, I’d need payment upfront to record and I wouldn’t settle for anything less than a C&W CD, in pristine condition (ie still in cellophane wrapper) and paid up front!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:06 pm

    That was in my serious days, ToM! 🙂

  13. May 15, 2013 7:13 pm

    I think I’ve lost the Country & Western CD, although I do think I have a more prestigious prize in mind for future competitions…

    Another quality product from Gutter Trash!

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:36 pm

    Excellent taste, sreb!!!

    Bewdiful … reminds me of the talking parrot we used to have for the kids …

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2013 7:40 pm

    Jesus Effing Christ, sreb! I just saw the bloody price! You’ll be putting TDT membership fees next!

  16. May 15, 2013 7:49 pm

    I can get them locally for 14 bucks a pop. Interested…?

  17. May 15, 2013 8:48 pm

    I’d cry if Labor was my Party too….

    (just quietly)..

  18. egg permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:18 am

    ‘OUTCAST MP Craig Thomson will contest the next election as a fully fledged independent after confirming he will resign from the Labor Party for good – making the controversial politician the first to stand for election with pending criminal charges against him.’

    Simon Benson in the Daily Terror

  19. egg permalink
    May 16, 2013 7:41 am

    Sheehan thinks Abbott should reject the whole budget.

    ‘Even promises of infrastructure funding for the states is qualified by micro-management. The $1.8 billion offered for expanding the M4 and M5 expressways come with the proviso that there be no tolls. Given that these projects are projected to cost $8 billion, how will the NSW government find the other $6.2 billion?’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/fantasy-figures-and-bungles-mean-election-gambit-must-be-rejected-20130515-2jmpj.html#ixzz2TOqukl00

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:03 am

    I think the question that should be asked is why is Treasury getting their predictions so wrong? We were supposed to have a $1.5B surplus and instead we get a $19B deficit.

    What has changed in the last 12 months?? Why do we pay people in Treasury any money??

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:19 am

    Kneel, that’s the most sensible post you have ever made!

    My understanding is that the same people run the Treasury now as they did during, Tip Custard’s reign … a conspiracy perhaps?

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:19 am

    Gillard has a heart of flint, she’s as cold, calculating and contrived as any politician.

    Choking up has more to do with being a failed leader listening to a failed Treasurer deliver his final budget. She might as well have blubbered – ‘how did it come to this?’

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:36 am

    Still kicking people, ToM …

    ===================================

    REVELATION 1

    Bringing up kids to believe they always win has created a generation of losers …

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:43 am

    “Choking up has more to do with being a failed leader listening to a failed Treasurer deliver his final budget.”

    You would cry too
    if it happened to you!

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:51 am

    Off to see the Star Trek movie …

  26. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:56 am

    “My understanding is that the same people run the Treasury now as they did during, Tip Custard’s reign … a conspiracy perhaps?”
    And that’s correct.
    However after a bit of investigating ( I rang a mortgage broker I deal with who worked there over 10 years ago) Treasury gives every single Treasurer a set of forecasts not just one. These cover both Revenues and KNOWN Expenditures.

    The Treasurer himself chooses which ones to adopt. He believes Swan takes the high range on the Revenue and a low range on Expenditure then fills the difference with new promises.

  27. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 16, 2013 9:57 am

    Tip Custard chose the Worse Case Revenue and a Moderate Case Expenditure.

    He was quite conservative apparently. Howard was the one who liked to spend it

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:01 am

    Not kicking TB, just focussing on the facts. ABC was taking a very sympathetic approach to ‘sookgate’

    Swan described Gillard as ‘tough as nails’, ie hard hearted.

    Gillard is under huge pressure due to her inadequate performance, she probably worked through the night finalising the budget, or had a sleepless night due to anxiety.

    The tears weren’t due to any kind heart.

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:09 am

    Yes, that’s as I understand it. Treasury might forecast growth of between (say) 1.5% and 3%.

    A conservative estimate might choose 2%. A reasonable estimate might be the mid point of 2.25%.

    If a Treasurer chose 2.75% they’re taking a punt, but within the range. If that’s what Swan did he should come clean.

    In any event, revenue was up 7% and he’s still claiming that there was a sledgehammer to revenue.

    Swan just spruiks crap.

  30. May 16, 2013 10:41 am

    “Off to see the Star Trek movie …”

    Can you give us a 60 second movie review?

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2013 10:55 am

    Spock gets laid (and it’s not Kirk).

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 3:48 pm

    Can you give us a 60 second movie review?

    I did? What happened to it?

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2013 3:51 pm

    Oh … I just saw

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2013 5:33 pm

    I wish i had a better memory but i think Labor was against this when in Opposition

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/senate-passes-amendment-to-excise-mainland-from-migration-zone/story-fn9hm1gu-1226644448709

    THE Australian mainland will now be excised from the migration zone and all asylum-seekers who arrive anywhere in Australia will be eligible to be sent offshore, after a controversial amendment to the Migration Act passed the Senate.

    The legislation today passed the upper house 28 to 10, with Labor and the Coalition voting to allow the government to send all asylum-seekers to Manus Island or Nauru for ‘regional processing’, regardless of whether they reach Christmas Island or the mainland.”

    Labor has back flipped on so many things I have trouble keeping up.

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2013 9:23 am

    Apparently Bowen said in 2006 that excising the mainland would be a stain on our National character. Howard tried to get this legislation through Parliament but couldn’t.

    Now Labor has passed the legislation.

    It just confirms my belief that most Labor supporters just play politics.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2013 3:38 pm

    …and where’s 7.30? His theisis was that Gillard would be returned thanks to the support of Katter and Palmer.

    Yeah. Right.

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2013 3:40 pm

    thesis

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2013 5:05 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-17/uhlmann-labor-finds-itself-without-a-homeland-to-defend/4696656

    “What about border protection? The Pacific Solution was a totemic Howard Government policy. More than anything else in Labor’s wilderness years, it energised its base because it was seen by the faithful as immoral.

    In May 2003 Julia Gillard described it as “costly, unsustainable and wrong as a matter of principle”.

    It was dismantled with the best of intentions. No matter what is now claimed, that was done against the advice of the experts in government agencies. The then immigration minister would describe the end of offshore processing of asylum seekers as one of his proudest moments.

    “The Rudd Government pledged to dismantle the Pacific solution and we have moved quickly on that front,” Senator Chris Evans said. “The Pacific solution was a cynical, costly and ultimately unsuccessful exercise introduced on the eve of a Federal election by the Howard Government.”

    Then the boats came, in their hundreds, and the retreat began. Almost every brick in the Pacific Solution wall has been rebuilt. On Thursday, on the eve of a federal election, the Government’s bill excising Australia from its own migration zone passed.

    What does Labor believe in now? That’s been outsourced, as the Prime Minister explained on Wednesday:”

  39. May 18, 2013 11:59 am

    ROFL. Well said reb.
    l`m not buyin` Joolya`s Crocodile Tears either.

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 18, 2013 12:45 pm

    It just confirms my belief that most Labor supporters just play politics.

    It just confirms my belief that neither labor nor liberal are worth wasting a vote on.

  41. May 18, 2013 1:11 pm

    yomm__ ” and where’s 7.30? His theory is still not believing the Tory-media portrayed slam-dunk for Mr-Rabbit. Did you catch `birthday-cake`Hewson`s recent TV interview.?
    ***************************************
    armchair__ ” It just confirms my belief that neither labor nor liberal are worth wasting a vote on. ” Ditto. lt`s back to voting for the least `shit` options, as per usual. Nothing of `excellence` on offer. l`m putting Mr-Rabbit`s zombie last, Joolya`s zombie well down the list, and putting independents and minors at the top of the list. (Voting below the line.) Try and make another watermelon Govt and unhinge the embedded media again.

  42. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 1:31 pm

    ‘The problem for Gillard, however, is the view among many of her own MPs, the press gallery and the political class in general that no one is listening – the contest that is still 119 days away is already over, and the next generation of Labor leaders will be obliterated from the electoral map.

    ‘Convinced that the budget will provide the basis for a Labor fightback: The Prime Minister’s communications director John McTernan. Photo: Andrew Meares
    ”This is about the eradication of the Labor Party as we know it,” is how one MP describes it. ”That’s how angry people are.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-legacy-takes-on-the-dream-20130517-2jrzu.html#ixzz2TbxzTDbe

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 1:42 pm

    ”This is about the eradication of the Labor Party as we know it,” is how one MP describes it. ”That’s how angry people are.”

    But they are angry at BOTH major parties … and that could be the Liberal downfall … if Pyne is anything to go by they are feeling pretty arrogant at the moment … what comes before a fall again?

    Clivey’s disappointed me a bit … not sure I like the name Palmers Australia Party (what an awful acronym – doesn’t anybody ever check these things?) … much too despotic and certainly not “original” …

  44. May 18, 2013 1:48 pm

    ” But they are angry at BOTH major parties ” exactly TB. Both sides will have great fun with negative advertising during the campaign. Mr-Poodle and Mr-Rabbit racing for the exit will definitely feature.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2013 2:03 pm

    “It just confirms my belief that neither labor nor liberal are worth wasting a vote on.”

    Yes but at least the Coalition is consistent on border protection. Labor abused the crap out of Howards Pacific solution and basically all his policies on asylum seekers.

    They are now adopting Howards policies and have gone further than Howard did in some areas. Labor has just passed legislation excising the mainland. This is something Howard tried but could not get through parliament.

    Chris Bowen said such a policy would be a stain on our national character. Labor voted against this when in Opposition but voted for it when in govt.

  46. egg permalink
    May 18, 2013 2:41 pm

    That’s alright Nils, but on climate change the incoming government is clueless, political cowards from the top down.

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2013 2:42 pm

    730 hopes and hoped that Katter and Palmer would lead Gillard back to the lodge. But both odd balls have just attracted the usual disjointed rabble, and are in the process of falling apart.

    Gillard is a failure, a miserable and hypocritical leader, history won’t reflect kindly on her or those that installed her.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 3:01 pm

    Yes but at least the Coalition …

    Onshore assessment … yes buts don’t count …

    Actually I’m not “angry” at both parties, so much as fkn fed up with them …

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2013 3:20 pm

    “Actually I’m not “angry” at both parties, so much as fkn fed up with them”

    Only a Labor supporter would say something like that. Trying to make out his opinion is “independent”

    I was not fed up with Howard. It was a good govt who evil people told lies about.

    Thousand of refugees have been denied a place in Australia because of your vote in 2007. Only asylum seeker with $10,000 can get a place in Australia now.

    A man with a conscience would be ashamed.

  50. May 18, 2013 3:20 pm

    “what an awful acronym – doesn’t anybody ever check these things?”

    If you think that’s bad, how do you think Susan Boyle felt when her record label planned a new album launch party on twitter with this hashtag:

    #Susanalbumparty

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2013 3:54 pm

    Thousand of refugees have been denied a place in Australia because of your vote in 2007.

    Do you come from another country, Kneel? Or planet?

    I was not fed up with Howard. It was a good govt who evil people told lies about.

    Bully for you … most of the others voters were fed up with them … it was a stupid government that bullied people and told lies … you obviously believed the lies … and still do …

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2013 4:08 pm

    You do not care do you TB

    Thousands of refugees have been denied a place because of your vote in 2007.

    And you do not give a stuff.

    And the only party telling lies is the Labor Party.

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2013 8:56 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/boats-sinking-our-refugee-program/story-e6frgd0x-1226431207815

    “THE federal government will not admit it, but Australia’s entire humanitarian offshore refugee program is facing extinction without a steep fall in the number of asylum-seekers arriving by boat.

    The imminent death of this once-sacred cow will be a lasting stain on both sides of politics and a blight on Australia’s hard-earned post-war reputation as a generous resettler of refugees and displaced people from camps around the world………..As revealed by The Weekend Australian last week, this category fell from almost 9000 in 2003-04 to only about 700 last financial year and will be completely wiped out in the present financial year.

    It is a blow to people in the dusty camps of Africa who do not have access to people-smugglers and their boats, as well as to refugee families in Australia who have been waiting years to get their relatives out of the camps to join them in Australia.”

  54. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:31 am

    I agree Nils, the bleedin’ hearts have done a disservice to a once orderly and bi-partisan process.

    After the election it should all get back to normal fairly quickly and the electorate won’t vote federal Labor for at least a decade…if ever.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2013 1:10 pm

    I have relatives helping refugees from Burma. In particular they are helping him get a driving license.

    From what i have been told these sorts of refugees cannot get in because boat people are taking all the places.

    If that is true it is a crime. Selling our refugee places for $10,000.

  56. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 1:53 pm

    The government fails to get a bounce in the Galaxy polls, austerity becomes a level playing field.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/budget-fails-to-deliver-labor-a-boost-in-polls/story-e6frea6u-1226645940938

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 4:55 pm

    If that is true it is a crime. Selling our refugee places for $10,000.

    So what is your answer, Kneel?

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:26 pm

    A man with a conscience would be ashamed.

    Well you don’t seem to be kneel [ashamed] you obviously have no conscience. You keep spouting the same brainless liberal propaganda, obsessively and endlessly smearing some of the most impoverished, desperate and compassion deserving people to exist in the world today. You couldn’t care less about asylum seekers. If you did you would be welcoming the boat people that arrive here and not pretending that they are different from people in refugee camps. Neil tirelessly promoting the lib HQ messages, our very own liar-in-chief.

    Do observers – in the media and the public – simply not notice when Tony Abbott tells porkies because we are so used to it? Or does a double standard operate with regard to the political parties? Or with women in politics?

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-budget-reply-porkie-pies/

    I’d say all of the above.

    This blog has turned into a mirror image of the cafe, all that you complain of about them, operates in reverse here – where they are pro gillard, here it is shamelessly pro abbott blind to any scrutiny of him, his character, his politics his dirty, dishonest dealings and his easy ride in the media. Just a complete refusal to see any good in gillard or her government and a refusal to see any bad in abbott.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:31 pm

    Not all, KL, I complain about ALL of the self serving bastards!

  60. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:40 pm

    ‘This blog has turned into a mirror image of the cafe’

    That’s not true, the cafe has a fair number of dissenters who think the PM is a disgrace.

    Trash is finely balanced, but there is little doubt that the right are winning the debate on a whole range of issue.

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:51 pm

    AO, the BIG difference is that the café has a bitter, mean spirited mentality among the people who run the site.

    They ban people are willing to provide challenge, and history.

    That deserves trenchant criticism.

    At the opposite end of the freedom of experession is this one, where reb runs a blog that is open to all of those at the café, it’s simply that they can’t get away with defending the indefensible here, so they’ve self banned.
    ————
    egg, the only dissenters at the café are those Miglo tolerates until he bans them in a fit of pique.

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:52 pm

    Not all, KL, I complain about ALL of the self serving bastards!

    you, always excepted TB!

    Trash is finely balanced, but there is little doubt that the right are winning the debate on a whole range of issue.

    mindless ranting, obsessive repetition/outright lies with glib one-liners asserting tea bag opinions, victory and theories grounded in no reality are not debate.

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 5:58 pm

    it’s simply that they can’t get away with defending the indefensible here..

    yet you lot do that on abbott’s behalf here. or simply ignore abbott and attack everything gillard [same as what you accuse them of].

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:07 pm

    No AO, people are entitled to focus on the issues they wish.

    I focus on (what I see as) the shocking dishonesty of the ALP, largely as a result of its corrupt structure. Others have a differnet orientation, which I have no objection to.

    What I do object to is the notion that political blogs ban contributions without any justification or rationale.

    That’s why the café and AIMN are entitled to a special place in the ranks of political hypocrites.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:14 pm

    This blog has turned into a mirror image of the cafe

    This has ben ponted out before …

    … what is amusing is the number of, “I used to vote for the ALP”, posters here … who have never criticised the Opposition … just lambasted unions (not just the dickheads but all unions) and the ALP …

    I confess to being very disillusioned with the Gillard government and the ALP generally … but I shudder to think what is in store for Australia after September 14 – whoever wins …

    Australia has never been so badly served politically in all the time I’ve lived here … and I include the VN war and National Service, that had such an impact on me and my family …

    Mean spirited, self-serving, incompetent twits all …

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:14 pm

    so they’ve self banned.

    no, perhaps they feel like me, think what’s the point, it’s like banging your head against a brick wall. It’s just hostile right wing ranting and a sheep like swallowing of the entire campaign for abbott. There is no debate on the two parties that are running for election here, just attacks on one of them.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:15 pm

    This has ben ponted out before … I can spell I just can’t type very well!

    This has been pointed out before …

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:16 pm

    what is amusing is the number of, “I used to vote for the ALP”, posters here …

    it used to be called trolling and astro turfing.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:30 pm

    Again no, I don’t think the people here are Abbott supporters (or mean spirited), most are simply cynical.

    I’m no fan of Abbott, and there are at least 5 other potential leaders that I’d have before him.
    1. Rudd
    2. Turnbull
    3. Bowen
    4. Crean
    5. Hockey

    But the ALP is moribund and dishonest, and don’t deserve to retain government until they reform, and take up the recommendations that were made over a decade ago.

    Miglo and crew won’t countenance that type of criticism and ban those that make the point.

    Here, people make a range of political observations and are generally treated with respect for doing so.

  70. May 19, 2013 6:37 pm

    “here it is shamelessly pro abbott”

    I think that’s a little unfair..

    I don’t think I’ve ever written anything pro-Abbott. I hate him to the core…

    Sure, I readily admit I’ve written plenty of posts that are critical of Gillard’s “management style” and that of Labor and how the talent within their ranks have been punished for their support of Kevin Rudd.

    Frankly there’s plenty to be pissed off with with Gillard and what’s she’s done to the Labor “brand”.

    – asylum seekers
    – marriage equality
    – pandering to religious nut jobs
    – walking away from pokies reform
    – lashing out at The Greens as “extremists”

    These are all things that left-leaning people like me don’t expect from Labor, but there you go, she’s managed to fuck over a party than once stood up for the marginalised and disenfranchised, a party that once gave a voice to those who the tories would seek to silence and control.

    The fact that Tony Abbott is now looking like winning in an election landslide is largely Gillard’s fault.

    Kevin Rudd remains hugely popular amongst Australians, if Gillard and the union hacks hadn’t deposed him in the first place I doubt we’d be sitting here talking about the prospect of an Abbott-led Coalition govt.

    It doesn’t give me any sense of satisfaction in the slightest that Tony Abbott is going to be our next PM, but this prognosis is largely Gillard’s fault.

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:46 pm

    “If you did you would be welcoming the boat people that arrive here and not pretending that they are different from people in refugee camps.”

    But they are different. They have $10,000. You don’t give a stuff about people in camps who have been denied a place. The people my relatives were helping out were the Karen people from Burma.

    And on $10,000 you could survive for a long time in Indonesia. What a shame all the people who have been denied a place.

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:47 pm

    But the ALP is moribund and dishonest, and don’t deserve to retain government until they reform, and take up the recommendations that were made over a decade ago.

    And you think the LibNits are any better? umm, ah, er, ………………………………….

    Kevin Rudd remains hugely popular amongst Australians

    Not sure that would apply so much now … after his Tip Custard masquerade …

    But I do agree with this …

    if Gillard and the union hacks hadn’t deposed him in the first place I doubt we’d be sitting here talking about the prospect of an Abbott-led Coalition govt.

  73. May 19, 2013 6:53 pm

    “after his Tip Custard masquerade …”

    Very true. Good point…

    He’s probably lost a lot of supporters for not having the guts to put his hat into the ring.

  74. May 19, 2013 6:55 pm

    “Here, people make a range of political observations and are generally treated with respect for doing so.”

    And over here, we also have a sense of humour…

    Minglo used to have one of those..

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 6:59 pm

    What I do object to is the notion that political blogs ban contributions without any justification or rationale.

    There’s only so much repetition, nitpicking and mendacity that people are willing to tolerate. Why do some people think that there opinions are more important than those of others? Why would you want to comment on a blog that doesn’t want you there anyway?

    Blog owners are entitled to ban anyone they like, especially if they feel they are not genuine, that they are annoying everyone else who visits and are disrupting the blog/community. To his credit [and his detriment] reb doesn’t ban, but he is entitled to if he wants and I’d support him in his decision.

    You can’t force other people to do what you want.

    Your argument sounds to me like the spoiled and over indulged brat who has never had or accepted limits placed on his behaviour. Everyone around him can’t stand him and wants him to be disciplined but his parents insist that other adults must indulge him as they do. The result is tantrums if the kid doesn’t get his own way and an inability to control his own behaviour.

    No AO, people are entitled to focus on the issues they wish.

    Does that include AIMN and the cafe?

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:05 pm

    Here, people make a range of political observations and are generally treated with respect for doing so.”

    You seriously think so? you might like to do some research on that.

    And over here, we also have a sense of humour…

    as long as it’s anti gillard ‘humour’, yeah then it’s a real riot!

  77. May 19, 2013 7:10 pm

    I think banning someone for just being consistently abusive or revealing personal information about other bloggers that would be otherwise regarded as confidential are legitimate reasons for banning someone.

    Minglo ban people for simply disagreeing with them. I think that’s pretty lame.

    I also think it’s pretty pathetic when Miglo publishes the real-life identities of people he has banned on his blog too.

    Public naming and shaming is something that Miglo only resorted to after he resigned from the public service.

    I do recall he was incredibly anxious about having his real life identity revealed online while he was employed under the Howard government while he was actively blogging against his employer online.

    Now he has scant regard for those who may now be in similar circumstances and willingly publishes their identities on his blog as some sort of intimidation/retaliation.

    You’ll forgive me for not leaping to his defence when he employs those sorts of tactics.

    Isn’t that what The Australian did to Grog’s Gamut?

    Just saying.

  78. May 19, 2013 7:13 pm

    “as long as it’s anti gillard ‘humour’, yeah then it’s a real riot!”

    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/tony-abbott-reveals-new-improved-flexible-industrial-relations-policy/

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:16 pm

    It doesn’t give me any sense of satisfaction in the slightest that Tony Abbott is going to be our next PM, but this prognosis is largely Gillard’s fault.

    So that means that abbott should just coast into the lodge by default? Without any scrutiny on him, his policies, his character, his team? Just accept him at his word FFS.

    I can’t believe the “abbott did a great job with his his budget reply” all the man clapping and cheering for a speech that was full of crap and hubris. It’s like you are all wearing blinkers.

  80. May 19, 2013 7:24 pm

    “I can’t believe the “abbott did a great job with his his budget reply” all the man clapping and cheering for a speech that was full of crap and hubris.”

    I’d be happy to publish a post if you’d like to write one AO (sincere offer)..

    “It’s like you are all wearing blinkers.

    He’s a religious nut job. Without a doubt..

    So we can either choose between a lying religious nut job, or another liar who panders to them…

    This election is like a choice between the gravel infused excrement or the shit served with razor blades and mushrooms….

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:25 pm

    I also think it’s pretty pathetic when Miglo publishes the real-life identities of people he has banned on his blog too.
    Public naming and shaming is something that Miglo only resorted to after he resigned from the public service.

    And I don’t disagree with you on those issues, I think that is wrong. But I don’t visit the blog either, so really don’t care what they say or what goes on there. Why do you and tomm have to keep one eye on them all the time?

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:30 pm

    So we can either choose between a lying religious nut job, or another liar who panders to them…This election is like a choice between the gravel infused excrement or the shit served with razor blades and mushrooms….

    That’s the debate we should be having. No, we don’t have to choose abbott because we don’t like gillard. I know ‘the system’ ensures that one or the other gets in power, but we should be voting for anyone but the two majors, neither deserves it.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:35 pm

    <i … but we should be voting for anyone but the two majors, neither deserves it …

    … none of them deserve it … funny as it seems Clive Palmer is the only one who comes close … he's certainly not in it for the money!

    But imagine him on the world stage … shudder … although not as bad a s Abbott will look … and Gillard only scrapes through …

    … next please …

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2013 7:37 pm

    AO, it wasn’t repetition that had me banned at AIMN and the café. In the past year or 2 Miglo has banned me 3 times –

    1. Qantas dispute. The CW crew didn’t like hearing an alternative view of the dispute, particularly not an informed one. Stuff like the ALAEA not enjoying any support from the other engineering trade unions such as ETU, AMWU, AWU. They had no idea that the ALAEA is an elitist union that stymies the careers of other trades.

    They also have no idea of the competitive pressure facing the Australian aviation industry. If there is one thing they hate at CW, it is arguing with people who know what they’re talking about.

    2. Asylum seekers- Min and Miglo have routinely followed whatever position the government announces. When Min did this last June, I pointed it out. Banning immediately followed.

    3. Most recently at AIMN, I could not have been more polite to Miglo, but he banned me for what? I think he just felt like doing something without rationality or justification.

    Now I agree that he can ban people, there is clear evidence of that. But I’ve always taken the view that if I’m on the receiving end of something I consider to be arbitrary, I’ll provide my own criticism about it.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2013 8:08 pm

    Few people are excited by the prospect of Abbott PM, or the reality of Gillard PM. Abbott remains very unpopular, it’s simply that most people block their ears when Gillard speaks.

    But (to me) Gillard has simply trashed the office each day since she was installed by the hacks. Remember the hacks said she was called a “vote magnet”, the hacks didn’t identify her other attributes.

    The ALP disserves a stint in opposition, and during the first 6 months should focus entirely on its internal and structural issues, implement changes during the next 6 months, and spend 2 years being a credible opposition which might attract plenty of support in 2016.

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 8:12 pm

    I’ll provide my own criticism about it.

    ● ad nausem

    ● ad jective

    ● ad break

    ● ad lib

    ● ad infinitum

    And bugger anybody elses … 🙂

  87. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 8:23 pm

    ‘it used to be called trolling and astro turfing.’

    Excuse me, I have mentioned that Abbott and Hunt are mindless dills on climate change.

  88. egg permalink
    May 19, 2013 8:34 pm

    ‘I’d be happy to publish a post if you’d like to write one AO (sincere offer)..’

    I second the blogmasta on that…

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2013 9:31 pm

    To be fair, a lot of us criticise Abbott. His biggest problem is he is not a proper conservative:

    He is a wimp on IR. He should be promising a return to Workchoices and then some.

    After the Royal Commission into Unionland corruption he should ban unions and dissolve the ALP.

    PPL is just middle class welfare, a political ploy to outflank the femonazis. He should drop it and all other middle class welfare, especially susbsidising child care. If you can afford to have a kid then you should not rely on the government to pay for it. It’s your choice.

    The dole should be unavailable after three months of payments.

    He should scrap NDIS and all disability benefits.

    He should move to a voucher system to fund education.

    All public servants should have the word “bludger” branded into their forehead.

    He should get out of the NBN business altogether.

    He needs to abolish all green energy subsidies and mandated green energy targets and build more dams and coal-fired power stations.

    He needs to live up to his “gobal warming is crap” statement and not spend another cent on climate change policies. He should jail Combet for ripping off the nation with his crap carbon policies, Swan for utter incompetence and Wong for being an annoying incoherent fuckwit.

    He should promise Australia’s withdrawal from all refugee conventions and from the UN.

    He needs to abolish HREOC. He should stop funding university arts and humanities schools and any other faculty where leftists predominate.

    He should scrap the income tax entirely, raise the GST and impose a land tax.

    He should promise to privatise the ABC or at least put Keith Windschuttle in charge with unlimited power to reform the place.

    In fact Abbott is barely better than that bleeding heart git Talcum.

    See – I’m completely even handed, happy to attack Abbott as well as Gillard.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2013 9:35 pm

    No sarc alert, sb … ?? Wonder why? 😛

  91. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 7:50 am

    Yeah, Abbott has no balls.

    ‘He needs to live up to his “gobal warming is crap” statement and not spend another cent on climate change policies.’

    Amen to that.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2013 8:48 am

    ‘we should be voting for anyone but the two majors, neither deserves it’

    I agree. Neither party is credible, and Abbott is making the same political capital from disaffection as Rudd in 2007.

    The breach of commitment and trust are the reasons people have so savagely turned on Gillard. The public will be equally savage with Abbott if he breaks his own commitments.

  93. May 20, 2013 8:55 am

    Just to qualify, I am in no way shamelessly pro abbott.

    I utterly loathe the chameleon.

    I’m pretty much just anti-political, nowadays. But I still reserve a special space in my malice gland for Abbott.

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 11:57 am

    Just to qualify, I am in no way shamelessly pro abbott.

    I know, another obvious exception to the rule [and 730 too], your precise ‘skewerings’ of the opinions and issues are like a beacon of light shining through the quagmire of obfuscation!

    I saw this the other day tb and wondered if you and big TB had seen it too [the predators fix the game again].

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/blunt-instrument/freetard-freeforall-just-cause-foxtel-wont-compete-20130513-2jie1.html#

    I’m pretty much just anti-political, nowadays. But I still reserve a special space in my malice gland for Abbott.

    yeah, the behaviour of some politicians since minority govt was formed has disgusted many of us, just shows that some have a willingness to accept and overlook major character flaws and bad behaviour in our supposed ‘leaders’ when it suits their political leanings. The fact that abbott is even accepted and tolerated as a LOTO and future PM says much.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 12:34 pm

    … if you and big TB …

    Oi, KL! I’ve just lost eight kilos! Can’t find the bastards anywhere!

    Just read your link … I have always hated Foxtel … ad free, my arse … I’m on very sharp learning curve with bit torrents (and attendant malware!) at the moment and I know I’m going to have to return to my 50Gb (shifted down to 25Gb about six months ago) soon …

    The NBN would stop all this nonsense and allow a bit off progression in Australia’s tech … but no the back to the fifties mentality looks like its going to prevail!

    BTW, Toillette, I’ve just got my GoT Series 1, back from my Teutonic friend*, we re-start the “journey” today … then onto a much anticipated Series 2 …

    * (We were discussing the plot and his 15 yo son who watched it too, piped up, “You know a beheading is coming when the bonking stops” … very astute young man … 🙂 )

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2013 1:13 pm

    Oi, KL! I’ve just lost eight kilos! Can’t find the bastards anywhere!

    well done TB that’s great, have you been trying to lose weight? You’re only capital letters ‘big TB!’

    … but no the back to the fifties mentality looks like its going to prevail!

    can’t allow the consumers to have any options other than forced payment to the predators in their free market.

  97. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 1:26 pm

    ‘…your precise ‘skewerings’ of the opinions and issues are like a beacon of light shining through the quagmire of obfuscation!’

    ha ha

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 2:46 pm

    Yes, KL and …

    I agree with, eggs, observation … ha ha but more along the lines of brilliant phrasing … described, Toillete’s, posts precisely …

  99. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 3:34 pm

    All three of you are prolific and amusing …and despise Abbott more than the rest of us. Your main fear is his god bothering, but I don’t think he even goes to church on Sunday anymore, which, as you all know, is a mortal sin.

    If by chance the abbott should fall under a tram he would most certainly go to hell.

  100. May 20, 2013 4:05 pm

    “more than the rest of us”

    Sorry egg but I certainly won’t allow you to speak on my behalf 👿

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 4:07 pm

    Anyone else having trouble posting?

  102. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 4:10 pm

    “After the Royal Commission into Unionland corruption he should ban unions and dissolve the ALP.”

    That’s not far enough.

    He should invite the Queen to visit then burn down the Parliament and announce himself as Emergency Chancellor after quickly having GG Quentin Bryce killed by an asp awaiting in one of her hats.

    Then take the Queen hostage and ransom her via a note demanding the head of the Archbishop of Canterbury be delivered via DHL on a platter to the Pope in the Vatican.

    That should satisfy me that’s he not one of the swarmy small “l” liberal types

  103. May 20, 2013 4:19 pm

    its working ok for me TB…

  104. Dan permalink
    May 20, 2013 4:29 pm

    He shouldn’t have posted peoples names it is wrong to do that. But Abbott should never be prime minister he has rich friends and he will favour them. Gillard won’t favour them.

  105. Evil Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2013 4:40 pm

    “Now he has scant regard for those who may now be in similar circumstances and willingly publishes their identities on his blog as some sort of intimidation/retaliation.”

    He’s really asking for trouble when he does that. Especially with false promises within his disclaimer of not revealing information to Third Parties.

    Playing with fire.

    I do hope he continues……………LOL

  106. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:05 pm

    ‘Sorry egg but I certainly won’t allow you to speak on my behalf ‘

    Apology, you didn’t cross my mind at the time.

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:43 pm

    its working ok for me TB…

    Thanks, sreb … right now the font in this text box is a wierd serif and my gravatar is inside with the “You are commenting etc …”

    I might go back to IE 10 I uninstalled it last night after some dramas with a malware attack …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:45 pm

    Now back to the Ariel font … no its not … its just shifted again … bloody strange …

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 5:47 pm

    its working ok for me TB…

    Its working for me after reading Wacko Wally’s post! LOL! 🙂

  110. May 20, 2013 6:22 pm

    I’m using google chrome.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 6:26 pm

    I’ll give it a try …

  112. May 20, 2013 6:30 pm

    VUZE, for the win, TB!

    FLAWLESS VICTORY!

  113. May 20, 2013 6:36 pm

    I hate Foxtel too.

    They make it impossible to pay for only the few channels you want. Instead, forcing you to pay more for ‘packages’ of channels you don’t want which are teeming with utter shit in the form of plastic US reality TV.

    Got rid of PayTV a few years ago.

    Circumvented the leeches with their broken business model. There’s fuck all they can do against VUZE. You do have to be a little discreet & careful about what to & what not to DL though.
    Never had a problem with it.

    I have a 200gb monthly DL limit.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 6:42 pm

    Toillette, better than uT?

  115. egg permalink
    May 20, 2013 8:36 pm

    First it was Benedict (speaking for dog) who blamed capitalists for everything wrong in the world and now Francis.

    ‘The pope – who has sought to make himself the tribune of the poor, disabled and disadvantaged – appeared to put uncaring capitalism in the same category as the armed conflicts …’

    They are channeling Kitty.

    ‘…can’t allow the consumers to have any options other than forced payment to the predators in their free market.’

  116. Bacchus permalink
    May 20, 2013 9:22 pm

    Playing bit torrent TB? Make sure you’ve got good anti-virus 😉 btw, good doesn’t necessarily mean expensive – free Avast or AVG work as well as better than the Norton’s of the world…

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2013 9:36 pm

    G’day Baccy …

    I use Kaspersky but I’ve just cleaned out bloody Delta search.com … after three days of farting about (Malwarebytes and CCleaner ,,, etc) I resorted to a system restore … just doing a full K scan right now …

    Everything seems to be OK …

  118. May 20, 2013 10:21 pm

    I use AVAST. Free.

    And COMODO. Also Free.

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