Ape? Give me a Break!

Some of us were ahead of the troop on this one.

It was outside the hands of the producers, the button pushers are young and reasonably ignorant on the socio political impact of someone being called an ape during a football match.

Footy has a drama a week these days.
The ratings must be low, and the media have nothing else to do.
Surely there is more important things the media could report on.
Does anyone really care what a 13 year old girl thinks and it’s really sad people are interested what Eddie thinks.
Goodes, Eddie and the girl need to have a group hug and move on.

“…there is a level of latent racism…”

I think someone referred to it as “casualised racism” in that attempts are made at making it “comedic” or “humourising” it

Fat Eddie Chockes Back Tears

About time this accepted racism in our society is being highlighted. It needs to be every single time. They are never ‘just jokes’ or a bit of fun, it badly hurts real people every single day. It needs to be called out for the hate that it is, every single time.

If fast eddie only gets a bit of education, he’s getting off lightly for what is racial vilification, we should be seeing him in court like bolt.

By making out it’s nothing and making excuses for the tolerance of this racism in society, you lot show that your own attitudes and beliefs are behind this problem, you can look in the mirror and feel proud to call yourselves racists.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-29/cassidy-collingwood-board-must-act-on-eddie-mcguire/4721236

…“To me Australia is very casual with racism. I would argue that many people in this country would not think what Eddie or the 13 year old girl said last Friday is ‘bad’. In my opinion race relations in this country is systematically a national disgrace and we have a long way to go to reach a more harmonious and empathetic society.”

“By making out it’s nothing and making excuses for the tolerance of this racism in society, you lot show that your own attitudes and beliefs are behind this problem, you can look in the mirror and feel proud to call yourselves racists.”

No, I will not be browbeaten into pretending I agree with somebody else’s version of racism. People are jumping at shadows and seeing racism where none exists.

“you lot”

I wonder if TB could trademark that for me 🙂

People are jumping at shadows and seeing racism where none exists.

Said as only a member of the dominant and privileged culture could.

BS, people are calling it what it is and saying it is unacceptable in a modern society.

Seems racism stems from religion:

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4722082.html

…When Europeans began exploring Africa in the mid-1400s, they developed justifications for European superiority over other races.
Early on was the concept of the Great Chain of Being, which was a theological hierarchical explanation for all of existence. God was on top, angels and demons next, then humans (men above women), then animals, plants and finally minerals. European scholars asserted that non-white people were lower on the Great Chain of Being, sitting somewhere between humans and animals…

I would argue that not much has changed since those early times, it is religious belief that is responsible for holding back the natural progression of society through the ages. Religion is an outdated, regressive and divisive force in modern society, it receives funding by the taxpayer [against our will] for performing the work of government – caring for those left behind in a capitalist/neoliberal society. Government props up religion as a way of exerting control over the masses.

…It is the year 2013 and it is about time that we say that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people – as well as all other racial and ethnic groups – have the right not to have to cop racial vilification because someone was ignorant. But let us take that ignorance and educate – and that is absolutely what Adam Goodes and others are advocating…

My experiences of most aboriginal people has been one of a generous, friendly, welcoming and tolerant people who show a much greater understanding and acceptance of white australians than is ever shown them in return. This includes members of the stolen generation.

I would love to see a national inclusion, acceptance and advancement of indigenous goals in my lifetime.

I would argue that not much has changed since those early times, it is religious belief that is responsible for holding back the natural progression of society through the ages. Religion is an outdated, regressive and divisive force in modern society, it receives funding by the taxpayer [against our will] for performing the work of government – caring for those left behind in a capitalist/neoliberal society. Government props up religion as a way of exerting control over the masses.

Utter bullshit, Kittylitter. Many races throughout history, religiously or otherwise motivated, have considered themselves superior to others. In some cases, like in the American Deep South, some have tried to make it into a religious thing but it simply comes down to a fear or mistrust of those unlike oneself.

Indeed, one of the most referred to stories in the New Testament is that of the Good Samaritan. Its message was clear.

I bet Goodes wished he never opened that can of worms immediately he saw the age of the person he was dealing with. And I think he did well to redirect the offence away from the girl to a more environmental issue. I have no doubt that the “ape” reference was made somewhat more quietly by the grandmother and then repeated at top voice by the girl. Certainly the grandmother did nothing in the footage to pull her up. I remember when Dad would mutter stuff like “you bastard” at the footy and I’d yell the exact same thing out and get a clip over the ear. Kids repeat what they hear. Nowadays I get a kick out of calling out nonsensical statements and hearing kids repeat them.

In some respects, perhaps victims should harden up a bit but there’s a broad community push to stamp out racism, that’s a good thing, so I don’t really mind the issue being thrashed out. It would be nice if the meeja got on board a bit rather than trying to get the scoop on the kid.

… the only people that gave them the shits was the softly, softly goody two shoes from the state government who funded the project treating adults like kids …

that still happens, It is the way management of both government and corporate operates here [authoritarian & oppressive/adversarial] and it is offensive to all workers, black and white.

The other thing I’ve noticed is a strange shift in the Australian character … no-one can laugh at themselves anymore …

blame the way that people are pitted against each other by political parties and corporate culture. The need for the media to constantly create a drama or controversy. people are over worked, time poor and stressed/anxious about their jobs and family duties.

We can have humour without racist overtones, don’t you think minorities and aboriginals are totally sick of this ‘just a joke’ racist humour, will it ever end? They live with racism every day of their lives, why do they need to laugh ‘at’ themselves along with whitey?

In some respects, perhaps victims should harden up a bit but there’s a broad community push to stamp out racism, that’s a good thing, so I don’t really mind the issue being thrashed out.

I don’t see why they need to harden up at all, that is the same as asking them to tolerate and accept it IMO. They should call it out each and every time. But I do agree with the issue being highlighted and thrashed out and a community push to change racist attitudes. Finally we might be growing up as a society, let’s go with it and not allow others to try and stomp it out or excuse racism due to fear of progress, change or over sympathising with older generational ignorance and bigotry.

Do you mean the rescued generation? The evidence is that the vast majority of those removed from their families were removed for welfare reasons, just like today.

What evidence is that?

“……. but the Aboriginal community is now “taking ownership” of words that most of us would never use in a racist way anyway … nor realise that (some) Aboriginals do …”

I disagree

I’ve got a mate called Spud. He’s brown on the outside but very white on the inside. His aunty called him that when he was growing up. He’s a gigantic Torres Strait Islander lad.

He’s said to me a few times being called black or nigger does not bother him at all but what really gets him angry to the edge of violent retaliation is when anyone refers to him as “a black monkey”. Any reference to “primates” is a reference to a “missing link”

The term “Ape” would also be one of those I’d imagine.

Until he mentioned it I’d never thought about it that way or how some of our dark skinned natives felt about certain words.

I suppose it would be a little like one of us visiting a Harlem New York coffee shop and sitting down and asking the waitress not

” Could I have a coffee no cream”

but instead……….

“Could I have a short black”.

Different strokes for different folks

Actually Andrew Symonds was called a “monkey” in India was he not ?

…this little spat wherein Manne is unable to present even 10 children who have been ‘stolen’.

you are joking, you offer up the the sophistry and misrepresentation of andrew bolt as evidence, you’ve been well and truly ‘bolted’!

“Name Ten”: The journalism of Andrew Bolt
By ROBERT MANNE
Monday, 17th October 2011

http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/robert-manne/2011/10/24/1319413522/name-ten-journalism-andrew-bolt

…Bolt claimed on a dozen occasions or more that I had been challenged but had failed to name even ten “stolen” children. Usually he failed to mention that I had sent him some 260 names. He never mentioned that I had asked him to supply a definition of what counted for him as a stolen child and that he had refused. On one rare occasion when he did acknowledge that I had sent him more than 200 names, Bolt claimed that the names I had sent him all came from Queensland. They did not. He claimed that in these cases neglect had been proven at court. In fact, as I had already made clear to him, having Aboriginal blood was itself sufficient proof of neglect under Queensland’s 1865 Industrial Schools and Reformatory Act. Bolt also claimed that the children in the “half-caste” homes in interwar Darwin and Alice Springs were sent there because of neglect. As the documentary collection shows beyond ambiguity, they were not. The policy set out in 1934 was explicit: “It is the policy of the Administration to collect all half-castes from the native camps at an early age and transfer them to the Government Institutions at Darwin and Alice Springs.”…

And don’t forget Eddie is a bit too loose with his tongue on occasions.

So he should be “boned”.

And don’t forget his Western Sydney “falafel” moment showed up what he knew about Sydney’s geography

http://johnquiggin.com/2013/04/11/counting-to-three/

…It’s truly bizarre to see self-satisfied climate “sceptics” who can’t even calculate a standard error, but have convinced themselves they are smarter than professional scientists. Stranger still to see someone like Bolt, who’s incapable of basic arithmetic, treated as an expert by his readers. But surely even the editor of a literary magazine ought to be able to count to three.

Of course, Windschuttle’s problems with the integers are trivial. His real offence was to attack scholars like Henry Reynolds on the basis of promised evidence he has been unable to deliver. It’s more than a decade since Windschuttle started this stuff and, to the best of my knowledge, he hasn’t published anything since then showing a single error in Reynolds’ work on the Queensland frontier, or that of the other historians he accused of fabrication. It’s pretty clear who is spinning the fabrications here…

Eddie’s appology kinda reminded me of Alan Jones appology.
Just made himself look a bigger cock.
I thought kids where allowed to behave badly: it’s called expressing themselves.
Since when has society been allowed to take punitive action against little kids?
Doesn’t the United Nations have rules about that.
I bet the kid that threw the sandwich won’t get punished, you just can’t do that these day.

ape girl shown the door
sandwich boy suspended
eddie the cock……..nothing
this is a f@*ked up world

…and deliberately seeks out people of lower (shall we say) social abilities for the sole purpose of vilifying, ridiculing and humiliating them.

Does he vilify them because of their race/skin colour?

Even white people of ‘lower’ class are not subjected to racial hatred, they still belong to the dominant ‘superior’ culture and have a status above that of all aboriginals, even those who have higher socio-economic status [in racist hierarchy].

Sam newman, is he still on the TV! I don’t know why anyone has to be personally mocked and humiliated as entertainment. Why do you watch the show?

Egg…………………is this it ?

“………..I’ve got a mate called Spud. He’s brown on the outside but very white on the inside. His aunty called him that when he was growing up. He’s a gigantic Torres Strait Islander lad.

He’s said to me a few times being called black or nigger does not bother him at all but what really gets him angry to the edge of violent retaliation is when anyone refers to him as “a black monkey”. Any reference to “primates” is a reference to a “missing link”

The term “Ape” would also be one of those I’d imagine.

Until he mentioned it I’d never thought about it that way or how some of our dark skinned natives felt about certain words.

I suppose it would be a little like one of us visiting a Harlem New York coffee shop and sitting down and asking the waitress not

” Could I have a coffee no cream”

but instead……….

“Could I have a short black”……………….”

‘you are sceptical because your research/knowledge is way more credible than the experts in the field?’

Did you know 97% of scientists believe in AGW? Stick your answer up in the back room, so we don’t offend the blogmasta.

Did you know 97% of scientists believe in AGW? Stick your answer up in the back room, so we don’t offend the blogmasta.

I think that was my point

Not sure I even understand the question and it’s inference, but feel no wish to go into the basement where the crazy man runs amok, scrawling all over the walls with his own faeces. Not interested in any of your pseudo science or gish gallop research/opinion from the conspiracy theorists.

Who are these racists? How do you know what they think?

dunno about you, but I meet them often, they feel a need to tell me what they think about different people as if there is an automatic agreement due to sharing the same white skin colour and when challenged there is usually offence taken as if they have just been victimised or it’s the ‘just joking’ excuses.

I’m also not going to chase down silly red herrings sb, where I have to know what each and every individual racist thinks.

if you want definitions and info, google is your friend!

or info

Click to access NationalLevelFindingsV1.pdf

http://www.uws.edu.au/ssap/school_of_social_sciences_and_psychology/research/challenging_racism/findings_by_region

‘In the wake of Eddie McGuire’s comments about Adam Goodes, Fairfax Media had a huge response on Thursday to its story ‘Are you a casual racist?’.

‘A number of readers had questions or comments about what they did and didn’t see as racism.

‘Professor Shane Houston, who was quoted in the story, has responded to some of these questions and comments below.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/is-it-racist-to–your-racism-questions-answered-20130531-2ngcy.html#ixzz2Ur856xkl