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Live from Canberra: Election Oblivion The Musical!

June 6, 2013

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**** A GUTTER TRASH PRODUCTION****

Featuring the Smash Hit “The Final Countown” because it is The Final Countdown!

With just 100 days to go the forthcoming election Armageddon of the party we once called Labor, many pundits are now wondering what the once unelectable Tony Abbott will do in his first 100 days of office..

Despite the hysterical fear-mongering emanating from the likes of teh cafe and the so-called “Political Sword,”  the reality is that Mr Abbott will probably do very little.

Is this a reason to be alarmed? Hell Yes!

You see, Tony Abbott has become so risk-averse in recent times that unlike a “real leader” he will no doubt leave his ministers to make decisions over their respective portfolios, a dangerous precedent where rank amateurs will be allowed to run loose with important things “like running the economy.”

If you thought Peter Garrett couldn’t be trusted over Pink Batts, just wait ’til donut-deprived Joe Hockey gets his hands on the nation’s finances.

We’ll also have the ever-affable Scott Morrison, who pretty much hates EVERYONE as Minister for Immigration.

Joan of Arc herself, Julia Gillard, has apparently already committed to staying on in politics regardless of the election outcome, a commitment that she will no doubt renege on once she suffers the full extent of the complete and utter humiliation of Australia’s wrath.

In ever decreasing circles, there are some poor deluded individuals who are convinced that Labor can still claw back from its dire predicament, with one particular nutcase suggesting that undecided voters will fall into line behind Julia Gillard.

Such wishful thinking is parallel universe stuff.

History shows that undecided voters typically fall into line with whoever looks like having the best chance of winning.  No one really likes to back a loser.

Gillard’s only hope is to go for the sympathy vote.  That last bastion of pleading when all other tactics fail.

This is the same technique that John Howard adopted when he appeared on national television all quivering lower lip and teary-eyed, begging for Australians to vote for him for no other reason than some sense of self-perceived entitlement in the top job, and that looming sense of complete personal humiliation that must become all-consuming when you suddenly realise that “the whole country hates you” and that you’re completely fucked.

That same fate now awaits Julia Gillard.

But Gillard has effectively eliminated herself from even making that final desperate appeal.  She’s made it clear that she feels, quite incorrectly, that her poor polling is because Australians don’t like the idea of a female Prime Minister. Nothing could be further from the truth.

So if Gillard’s looking for sympathy, as David Sedaris once wrote, she’ll find it between shit and syphilis in the dictionary.

 

 

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349 Comments leave one →
  1. June 6, 2013 6:28 pm

    Yep.

    They’re utterly screwed.

    But, don’t despair!

    Slavethinkers have been laying the groundwork to plausibly ensure that it’s everyone elses fault. (like that’s gonna help with the rebuilding from the ashes)

  2. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:04 pm

    The electorate has already decided, leaving the monk and his fellow travellers to plan our future.

    There has been talk that Abbott may become a charismatic leader once in power, in the sense that he brings about revolutionary change.

    If he gets a mandate to rule, he might be deluded into thinking the whole things been a godsend.

  3. June 6, 2013 7:09 pm

    “There has been talk that Abbott may become a charismatic leader once in power”

    And there’s talk that Catching Up will be the next President of the United States.

  4. June 6, 2013 7:17 pm

    As YomM noted earlier, sensible people are largely underwhelmed by Abbott.

    He will be leader by default, not unlike Rudd walking into The Odious Howard’s rudely vacated throne.

    Except that, on the whole, at first glance, Abbott’s likely to be far less ‘socially benign’ than Rudd.

    I predict that, if he carries on with his retro-fucktard-conservative-bilge-with-biblical-overtones it won’t ‘gel’ with the average person.
    More of us are more averse to the moralising than most politicians think.

    Time will tell…

  5. June 6, 2013 7:18 pm

    Catching Up is fed up with taunts & scrutiny.

    It would do well to hitch its wagon to Julia Gillard’s 3rd term; a sure thing, if ever there was one.

    😯

  6. June 6, 2013 7:24 pm

    Just quietly, if ever a bloghost allowed a disparaging, defamatory comment through, the scaper fucktard was just permitted (& published) one about you & your partner, reb.

    If those simple fucks over there are ever threatening retribution, they need to take a good look in the mirror.

  7. June 6, 2013 7:26 pm

    Fuck You Miglo…& you reckon you docile fucks that don’t read here. 🙄

    Half baked partisan arsehat.

  8. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:29 pm

    I’m with Toilet, fuck you Migs.

  9. June 6, 2013 7:31 pm

    I noticed that Toliet and have recorded it. Migs seems quite happy to have allegations about me being a “sex tourist” published on his web site. Duly noted.

    Oddly enough, I’ve been in a relationship with my Malaysian partner (ie not Malayan according to the Marshall Arts expert) for 19 years, so I don’t really need to frequent Thailand as a sex tourist.

    I imagine that the only relationship that scaper’s had that’s lasted that long is with himself.

  10. June 6, 2013 7:34 pm

    As for ‘irrelevant’, you do understand what ‘preaching to the choir’ entails? because that is precisely the function of your knitting circle.

    Pissing into the wind with increasingly off target prognostications about the current government is ridiculous, myopic & beholden.
    I loathe Abbott too, but you & yours have your heads so far up your arses that you approach inevitability with your eyes wide shut. I know most of you are smarter than that, which leads me to conclude that you are stupidly, ideologically compromised.

    This blog has never had serious airs of influence or righteousness.

    You & your den of lockstepping useful idiots need to get a fucken grip.

    The worst part is, after the ALP gets its arse handed to it in September, you’ll all be blaming everything but the historical record. Political adherents are sad, wasted voters who are owned .

  11. June 6, 2013 7:35 pm

    I copied it too, reb.

    Beyond the fucking pale.

  12. June 6, 2013 7:36 pm

    Scaper is a numbskull. He has a very long, digitally recorded history of behaving like a numbskull.

    He is their pet.

  13. June 6, 2013 7:48 pm

    I think Michael Taylor’s latest outburst is just another indication of how hysterical they’ve become.

    They’ve blamed everyone else, except Julia Gillard herself for Labor’s woes…

    So it’s not too surprising that they’d launch a salvo in this blog’s direction for occasionally being critical of the Gillard govt. I mean, they are running out of people to blame aren’t they?

    It is surprising though, that Miglo would allow such a highly personal and defamatory insult to be published. But then he does have form in that regard.

  14. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:50 pm

    ‘which leads me to conclude that you are stupidly, ideologically compromised.’

    Brainwashed.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:56 pm

    It’s apparently 3 years since the site was kickstarted their blog with some procured email addresses.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:58 pm

    It’s apparently 3 years since the site was kickstarted their blog with some procured email addresses.

  17. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 8:19 pm

    There is talk that the ALP needs to be reformed after the election, Albo has suggested the rank and file should choose the leader … not the faction bullies.

  18. June 6, 2013 8:31 pm

    we don`t really need scrutiny

  19. IPSOYA permalink
    June 6, 2013 9:08 pm

    Blog Warz! 😯

  20. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:04 pm

    “I think Michael Taylor’s latest outburst is just another indication of how hysterical they’ve become.”

    Wow………wow……….wow

    I can’t believe what scraper posted and the blog master allowed it ?

    Wow

    Does someone over there need education on what constitutes a “carriage service” these days ?

    I hope someone enjoys lack of sleep. Because soon he’s likely to find himself on a park bench.

    Where the King of Cnuts deserves!

  21. June 6, 2013 10:07 pm

    Everyone knows that Darling Harbour is the new Thailand.

  22. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:10 pm

    ToM

    You have developed either a 2 minute stutter or you are proving that sometimes you tend to repeat things …LOL

  23. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:42 pm

    So there is ablogmaster that now has 2 wives that won’t talk to him.

    I think I recall he has two matching sons that won’t talk to him either

    RODLMAO

  24. Meta permalink
    June 7, 2013 12:02 am

    (Mmmm, I tend to accept N5’s and HD’s comprehensive assessments of Scaper’s contributions to general and particular discussions, and perhaps to broader society; and am happy to add my condemn to prior condemns of Scaper’s unconscionable, abysmal conduct on this occasion, and every other. Maybe a hearty “booooooo”, and a standing ovation, if only to take better aim with a virtual rotten tomato, are in order for the specific performance and performer.)

  25. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:24 am

    This is not a pot stirring remark but something to consider. Last weekend on the ABC I heard one of those articulate American academics talking about his book which aims to show why women find it difficult to achieve in the corporate world. This is just a memory stab at the figure he quoted but I am not far off. I think too but I am not certain that he was referring to an American survey. Anyway something like 75 per cent of men did not want to be bossed by a woman. Interestingly, for me anyway, the same number of women did not want a female boss. It stands to reason. We are set in our ways. We still live in a world where men by and large run things. Women live in that world too and are influenced. You don’t have to call it misogyny. I think JG feels that. I think her gender has made things harder for her. M Thatcher faced the same problem until the Falklands War turned her into Boadecia (forgive spelling, I am only a woman). Of course there have been some very enduring female leaders in unexpected places like India and Sri Lanka so it can’t be the full story.

  26. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 7:32 am

    In Sri Lanka it was a socialist woman, Bandranike (sic), who independently started a civil war….. unfknbelievable.

  27. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 7:39 am

    So Mrs Unspellable lit the fuse. Unbelievable indeed. Thanks morning Egg.

  28. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 7:55 am

    Good morn Dianne, Mrs B was the first female PM in the world and a socialist (not that there is anything wrong with that) but she discriminated against the Tamils and planted the seeds of despair.

  29. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 8:13 am

    Terrible what happened over there. I always think of poor babies being born in the world’s hellholes. Did Mrs B predate Golda Meir? I know very little about female leaders but I am quietly fascinated by Angela Merkel and love the way the Germans call her Mutti. Very amusing. I am also v interested to learn more about Golda. Know too much about Thatcher.

  30. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 8:21 am

    Bandaranaike’s seeds of despair.

    ‘She led her party to win the July 1960 elections on the pledge to continue her husband’s policies, notably the Sinhala Only Act, and to proceed with repatriation of the estate Tamils to India. On 21 July 1960, as a Senator she became prime minister, thus becoming the first female prime minister in the world.’

    Wiki

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 8:45 am

    “Know too much about Thatcher.”

    Being a conservative, you are no doubt a Thatcher acolyte.

  32. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 8:50 am

    Interesting and now I have the spelling as well. If I had gone on Mullyonaire with Eddie I would have lost on the Mrs B question. Her Prime Ministership seems more recent than that. Memory plays tricks. On another topic. Do you think the Ruddster is making another move. WARNING!!!! Prediction coming up. I think JG will step down for him. The alternative is worse. Caveat: my predictions rarely come true. Now I am going to put a topside roast and veg in oven which will slow cook for 8 hours. Hungry hordes to feed. Delicious.

  33. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 8:55 am

    My kind of conservative is more in the Deakin/Menzies mold. What have I come to S bottom? BTW that icon of yours is a shocker. Always reminds me of my departing cat, alas now deceased. I would stick the Radical sticker on Morgret.

  34. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:07 am

    I have much to learn about the way people self-identify in political matters and the reasons which cause them to feel the need to do so.

  35. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:16 am

    Yep that is what makes life interesting and why I always like to talk to people who think differently from self. Not that many of you are so v different from me. I suspect I am among fellow contrarians.

  36. June 7, 2013 9:22 am

    Everyone, except for Neil. 🙂

  37. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:28 am

    I will take particular notice of Neil. tJ

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:40 am

    Rudd did quite well on 7.30 last night. He is a polished performer, and you can see how he’d put Abbott under pressure in a way that Gillard just can’t.

    Rudd is articulate, Gillard isn’t.

    Gillard’s supporters say he’s difficult to work with. Fair enough, but if they stick with Gillard, the won’t be working.

  39. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:42 am

    Certainly looks like it. Well put Tom.

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:45 am

    I think you are. I’ve been feeling sorry for Gillard lately and even thought about trying to argue her case but I really couldn’t see how any rational argument could be made. A quick perusal of CW confirmed this.

  41. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:45 am

    I’m a climate change contrarian.

  42. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 9:50 am

    SB until yesterday I was half convinced that JG would win. Something changed yesterday. A feeling! That is how I explain things to my husband who gets cross. I continue to have sympathy for her. I think she has had a rough ride. Those who have met her say she is warm, engaging, funny and very bright. I can see that. A lot cannot. Glad to hear you have been feeling some of that sympathy too.

  43. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 10:00 am

    Politics is a rough game, Thatcher had no trouble handling her mob. Gillard has been disingenuous and Labor stalwarts have deserted the party.

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 10:22 am

    At least the PM is getting strong support from some MPs who are at least showing a semblance of a spine. It is nice to see loyalty repaid like this.

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 10:26 am

    Gillard polarises people. Rudd demonstrated how to go on the attack without polarising.

    There is no way Gillard could have carried it off. She lapses into her own 3, 4, or 5 word slogans.

    Rudd articulates a position without needing the slogans. That’s why he’s popular, he doesn’t treat everyone as a dill.

  46. June 7, 2013 10:27 am

    SB…

    It makes sense to get behind someone if you’re planning to stab them in the back…

    Why would Kev want the job now….?

    Much more satisfying to watch her be completely humiliated at the next election and then waltz into the role after the blood letting…

  47. IPA address permalink
    June 7, 2013 10:27 am

    Mr Abbott has his fingers and toes crossed that Ms Gillard doesn’t surrender. She is his ticket to the lodge.

  48. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2013 10:53 am

    Labor could lose 28 seats…

    http://australianpolitics.com/2013/06/02/how-many-seats-will-labor-lose.html

  49. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:04 am

    “Much more satisfying to watch her be completely humiliated at the next election and then waltz into the role after the blood letting…”

    I agree.

    He owes the Victorian no favours. Why should he help those that overthrew him keep their seats. Seeing them get their numbers cut can only increase his own influence over what happens to the party post – election. Most of the NSW already support him even if they’ll cop a severe haircut in September as well.

    Plus then Swan, Emerson, Roxon will also be gone

  50. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:05 am

    And quite possibly Jason Clare and Tony Bourke from NSW

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:14 am

    McTernan making his plans for after Labor loses the election must be the last straw. In the words of one Labor MP he is one of the Titanic first class passengers “running around looking for a dress to put on”. Obviously he is more Benedict Arnold than General Patton.

    Election writs should be issued as soon as parliament rises. At that point there will be no more earth to scorch, so they might as well end the humiliation then.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:16 am

    Re: scaper’s comment on CW, which I can’t find now, but read last night …

    Not only was it false, homophobic, crass and inevitable but Migs & Co, (I suspect), hoped it (or something as crude and personal … he has form … I can assure you), would be posted eventually …

    They are playing with fire, for scaper is just as likely to turn on anyone at CW and become very, very personal … in fact his comments at CW are far worse than anything orginally posted by sreb or ToM …

    As one of the “Originals” I am aware of all the background nuances from the days after Blogocracy was closed by Tim Dunlop … a founding “member” of Blogocrats (a name I suggested) …

    I told Migs, that I would not post at CW if scaper did … I have on a few occasion but only because I thoroughly disagreed with some stupid threads (ie only men start wars???) and because I like to think I have some good friends at CW … Baccy, Adrian and a few others from the “old” days …

    I’ve avoided da blogwarz as much as possible … they are pointless, a waste of time and non-productive … and I know all the people involved …

    However, naming people and making shit up about people’s lives and allowing it to be published is not clever … in fact its done to deliberately hurt people …

    Migs, your using scaper as a hit man …

    If it doesn’t stop soon someone will be HURT … in the real world …

  53. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:23 am

    “Migs, your using scaper as a hit man … ”

    TB

    He never visits here ya know

    ROFLMAO

  54. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:25 am

    “Election writs should be issued as soon as parliament rises. At that point there will be no more earth to scorch, so they might as well end the humiliation then.”

    I think (?) we still have 8 weeks before “caretaker” mode

  55. Meta permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:38 am

    (It makes sense to get behind someone if you’re planning to stab them in the back.… – Reb

    At that point there will be no more earth to scorch, so they might as well end the humiliation then. – SB

    That’s an interesting thought or two, discounting the topical applicability of asbestos; if power corrupts, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely, whither a Howard Mark II Government, still harking back to the good ol’ days and with a (pre-)Howard era’s wealth of platinum-haired talent at its disposal? Especially, as it’s all there – economic and environmental and foreign affairs and education and health and ICT/telco and social policy – and ready for the long-promised ‘fix’. And all ably led by TAbbott & Co, a good Opposition which will be an even better Government, by definition.)

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:50 am

    Miglo should get along well with scaper.

    Miglo tries to start puerile arguments on other sites (eg TPS) that he bans on his own. He listed the locations I’d commented from and talked about his ability to use technology to identify me.

    He’s a tosser, and keeps appropriate company with his mate scaper.

  57. el gordo permalink
    June 7, 2013 12:04 pm

    The thing is Meta the world has moved on and Tabit & Co have their own agenda on nation building.

    Don’t be afrayd.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 12:58 pm

    Don’t be afrayd.

    I’m with M … be afraid … be very afraid …

  59. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:04 pm

    Egg I think that even Thatcher would have had trouble controlling people and events if dealt a hand like JG’s. Tony Abbott was lucky he lost negotiations with independents. People forget he would have done exactly the same deals as Julia. I don’t think his govt would have lasted the distance. I dont think she is disingenuous . Shrewd but up against it from the start.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:15 pm

    Gillard has no strategy, only failed tactics.

    Her last one is hoping that Abbott stumbles (about 6 times)

    Gillard isn’t shrewd, she’s incompetent and dishonest. So too is Abbott, which is why I’ll continue to put the ALP and Libs about equal 6th.

  61. Crazy Ivan permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:18 pm

    “However, naming people and making shit up about people’s lives and allowing it to be published is not clever … in fact its done to deliberately hurt people … Migs, your using scaper as a hit man … ”

    That blogmeister makes lots of stuff up from the “anecdotes” he “authors” to stuff he claims is his when its been written by someone else (remember the clear copyright breach/plagiarism a couple of years ago when he ripped off a Professor’s Uni paper and presented it as his own work) to the incessant claims of deathbed illnesses.

    Constantly on the prowl for greater attention and adoration from his green cordial loving sycophants. Clearly he determines when to be “ill” whenever his blog hit meter gets a bit low.

    Its all rubbish. Just look at his track record. Why would anyone trust that lowlife piece of human excrement ?

  62. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:24 pm

    I wouldn’t want to appeal to voterland Tom. Have you been watching Borgen?

  63. June 7, 2013 1:28 pm

    ‘` Abbott was lucky he lost negotiations with independents. People forget he would have done exactly the same deals as Julia.`.
    *
    Wrong Dianne.
    Windsor, Katter and Oakey spent 17 days after election-2010 working thru the shit.

    Oakey and Windsor sided with Joolya coz Mr-Rabbit was a short-term dickhead, who would NOT go full three years, but call another election as soon as Mr-Rabbit thought he could win outright.

  64. Meta permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:28 pm

    (Hvad er det Borgen, som du taler?)

  65. June 7, 2013 1:29 pm

    I agree with TB’s comment regarding Walter Mitty. To be honest, the rare occasions that I’ll look at cafe impotent are generally to have a chuckle as col5 puts him back in his box by reminding everyone of his longrunning embellishments & lack of self control.
    Apart from that, I look to see what the latest outrage of hypocrisy if over there, after it gets mentioned here.
    They like to paint themselves as victims & models of good manners, but anyone who’s followed the situation for years knows that they’re disingenuous, vindictive, deceitful & about as one-eyed as is possible.

    The best part is that you can rest assured that they do read here regularly. So if you want to send a barb their way, it ain’t hard.
    Skimming through the comments over there is an exercise in the mundane. It’s a backslapping society with airs of political influence (where the only influence exerted is lurid self affirmation through political conformity).

    Walter is their village idiot & TB is correct about their motivations for keeping it around.

  66. June 7, 2013 1:33 pm

    sind nærsynet er en højborg mod frie tanke…

  67. June 7, 2013 1:37 pm

    “I’m with M … be afraid … be very afraid …”

    I’m not afraid, but am VERY wary.

    It is inevitable that the repugnant Abbott will be our next PM. At which time, he will receive a short period of grace from me. I don’t hold high hopes for his regime. We’ve seen it all before. Hopefully there aren’t any wars for the fuckwits to involve us in this time.

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:37 pm

    Did you know that the Dutch and Danish people snipe at each other like we do with NZ?

  69. June 7, 2013 1:40 pm

    Great comment from Dianne @1:04.

  70. Crazy Ivan permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:43 pm

    “They like to paint themselves as victims & models of good manners, but anyone who’s followed the situation for years knows that they’re disingenuous, vindictive, deceitful & about as one-eyed as is possible.”

    From the Cafe

    “Privacy

    The owner of this blog do not share personal information with third-parties nor does the owner store information collected about your visit.

    The owner of this blog reserve the right to edit or delete any comments submitted to this blog without notice due to:

    1. Comments deemed to be spam or questionable spam
    2. Comments including profanity
    3. Comments containing language or concepts that could be deemed offensive
    4. Comments that attack a person individually”

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:44 pm

    I look in from time to time because it reminds me of why so many of them can’t hack the pace here – failed the IQ test.

  72. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:45 pm

    ‘People forget he would have done exactly the same deals as Julia.’

    Not sure about that, he wouldn’t have bent over backwards to put a tax on a beneficial trace gas.

  73. June 7, 2013 1:50 pm

    ” Hopefully there aren’t any wars for the fuckwits to involve us in this time.”
    Syria.? Don`t count on it Dunny. The `Tards will invade somewhere, given half a chance to cock-suck the yanks.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:55 pm

    The support of Oakeshott and Windsor had nothing to do with policies or Gillard’s negotiating skill. It had everything to do with self preservation.

    Abbott was entirely uncommitted to serving a full term, and in DD election campaigns, independents are sidelined. They could choose a salary for 3 years or for less than 1 year, it was about that simple.

    The rest was window dressing.

  75. June 7, 2013 1:58 pm

    ” I wouldn’t want to appeal to voterland ”
    lt`s okay Dianne.
    That`s a well worn philosophy in Canberra too.

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 1:58 pm

    Why? Does Syria have lots of oil?

  77. June 7, 2013 2:05 pm

    Oil.? Korea.? Vietnam.? Afghanistan.? Yomm.?

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 2:21 pm

    “if dealt a hand like JG’s”

    Gillard’s blood-soaked hand was her choice. She says she didn’t decide until that day, but her victory speech was prepared weeks before. Given her treatment of Rudd she can’t really complain about his disloyalty now.

    She chose to say, emphatically and just before polling day, that there would be no carbon tax. She also chose to impose one. Her incompetence and stupidity are entirely her fault. She chose to support and express confidence in Craig Thomson for a year after he should have been forced to explain himself to parliament. Then she said a line had been crossed and when asked what that line was she mumbled something about molecules. The crossed line was, of course, the grubby deal she did with Slipper. The list of her stupidity and prevarication is endless.

    People rightly hold her in contempt. And it is all of her own making. She is good at one thing – dirty backroom deals to gain power, a pre-requisite for advancement in Unionland. That is why she became PM and why she survived as PM notwithstanding her incompetence and unpopularity. The trouble is that the one thing she is good at is repulsive to voters. Everything else she touches turns to shit.

  79. June 7, 2013 2:28 pm

    I just go to read Catching Up’s comments (because they’re so fkn irrational)… genuinely hilarious and completely unhinged stuff… Sometimes I wonder whether she’s taking the piss…

    I particularly enjoy the bits where she complains about personal abuse but has no problem dishing out personal insults and snide remarks about those who disagree with her..

    The “live” question time commentary is always a laff too… 🙂

  80. June 7, 2013 2:30 pm

    l have actually been wondering if back in 2010, after just scraping in, if Joolya and the dullards decided to go `kamikazi`, treat it as a one-term, go all out, knowing there is no second term. Many of their actions seem to indicate this. Notice too, that some of Team-Joolya have had their `go` then quite, l`m thinking Nanny-Roxon.

  81. June 7, 2013 2:37 pm

    As it stands, I really don’t reckon the US is too keen to become involved in any more protracted engagements (currently). They’ve lost too much skin & gold, for little real gain & much tarnished prestige.
    Any upcoming conflicts are much more likely to be undertaken from range, or by proxy.

  82. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 2:58 pm

    Well I will never share many of your views on Julia or Kev for that matter. Most people think I am nuts. Tell me though if you all think Kevin is making another run and how would you rate his chances. I must admit I thought he was done for

  83. June 7, 2013 2:59 pm

    ” don’t reckon the US is too keen to become involved in any more ”
    Never under estimate the size or quantity of american delusions.

  84. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:01 pm

    Am I late with news that Latham is back in play with a blistering attack on Kev. Headline SMH

  85. June 7, 2013 3:01 pm

    “Tell me though if you all think Kevin is making another run and how would you rate his chances.”

    He’ll want it handed to him on a silver plate…Nothing less.

  86. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:04 pm

    ‘knowing there is no second term.’

    My guess is that if jools scrapped in she may have followed the script, social issues in the Whitlam mode…. gay and drug law reform for starters.

    Going to bed with the watermelons in an unholy alliance was her undoing, that’s primarily why the rank and file have deserted.

  87. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:06 pm

    Hmmmmmm……..

    Min

    June 6, 2013 @ 10:47 am

    TS, and Michael is the reason why I started writing too..not so much encouraging me but saying WTF stupid woman, just do it. I’m now approaching my 200th post.

    A special mention must go to Catching up and Pip whose help during the months that I suddenly had to take over as sole author/admin is immeasurable. The blog would not have survived had I not been assisted by these two wonderful ladies.

    Interesting……

  88. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:06 pm

    Have you read the Latham spray Reb. Agree about silver tray. How would you rate kR’s chances of electoral victory?

  89. IPA address permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:12 pm

    “Egg I think that even Thatcher would have had trouble controlling people and events if dealt a hand like JG’s.”

    So unless our “leaders” are dealt a good “hand” we shouldn’t expect too much from them, least of all good and competent government. 😐

  90. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:14 pm

    “I mean this guy is … a once-in-a-century egomaniac. You’ll never see his like again as long as we live in Australian politics.”

    Latham could be talking about himself. He should stick to breaking arms and smashing cameras.

  91. IPA address permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:23 pm

    When asked what was the greatest challenge for a statesman, British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan reportedly responded, “Events, my dear boy, events.”

    He wasn’t a card player, apparently.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:32 pm

    Kevin Kustard is Tip Custard’s cousin …

  93. Dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:33 pm

    She has done some good things not that you would have heard anything positive in the media. The same thing is happening to Cameron in the UK. Trad media is on its knees. So called citizen journalism is a pipe dream, online editions are dumbed down. An important part of our democracy is crumbling. It is a big problem and getting bigger. Who wants a huge win for any party particularly if the media supports one side so obviously. What if the Libs sell off the A BC? I can fully understand why people want to throw out the ALP but I can’t understand why many people will vote in a government whose agenda is not clear. It is the media’s role to ask questions and demand answers and the voter’s responsibility to know what they are voting for. How can anyone attack JG for reneging on carbon tax promise and then vote for Abbott who will probably never reveal what he really wants to do.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:41 pm

    I just listened to Latham … he really is a nutjob … have I emphasised over the years here how liars (etc) call others liars to hide their own lying … well here’s another example a nutjob calling someone else a nutjob … unfknbelievable … how does he get radio gigs anyway?

    He’s a nobody with “nasty issues” (reminds me of Walter)

    http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-times/lathams-verbal-attack-on-rudd-4472142.html

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:43 pm

    Oh dear … D might be the voice of reason … that’ll bother, Kneel … and a couple of others I know … 😆

  96. June 7, 2013 3:46 pm

    ”I take Kevin at his word,” Senator Wong told the ABC. ”That’s what we all need to do, to get out and campaign for the Labor Party.”

    Senior caucus member Anthony Albanese said in Hobart on Friday morning: ”Kevin Rudd will be successful as the candidate for Griffith – that’s what he’s focused on.”

    Workplace relations minister and key Labor numbers man Bill Shorten said on Friday that he saw no issue with Mr Rudd’s interview on Thursday.

    ”[He] is campaigning for Labor like we all are,” he told Melbourne radio station 3AW on Friday morning. ”The fact that he’s campaigning for Labor is an asset for us.”
    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/rudd-steps-up-against-abbott-20130606-2nt5a.html
    *
    Seems there are some willing to carry that silver platter for Kevin07

  97. June 7, 2013 3:50 pm

    I haven’t listened to Latham’s spray, but I found this written version…

    http://www.liverpoolchampion.com.au/story/1557276/mark-latham-lays-into-once-in-a-century-egomaniac-kevin-rudd/?cs=12

  98. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 3:57 pm

    ‘How can anyone attack JG for reneging on carbon tax promise and then vote for Abbott who will probably never reveal what he really wants to do.’

    Too easy, he wants to dismantle the lot.

    Its quite clear the PM has failed on policy alone… asylum seekers and that tax … otherwise she would be riding high.

  99. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:02 pm

    “I just go to read Catching Up’s comments (because they’re so fkn irrational)…”

    Yeah they are very funny. Especially when she puts on her finance guru hat. A little while back she started blathering on about the bond market. She must have read something and taken it in and was trying to verbally vomit it back up

    Quite amusing

    Other than that the comments are just a collection of words thrown together to create somewhat meaningless rambling sentences where the reader is not quite sure if a question is being asked or a conclusion is being drawn which are then all thrown together into one indecipherable paragraph.

    And QT is a real hoot

    Her posts are sorta like listening to someone talking in their sleep. You can make out a sentence but the sentence following seems to bear no relationship to the previous one.

  100. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:03 pm

    D might be a fifth columnist.

  101. June 7, 2013 4:04 pm

    Looney Latham is joining in with the ALP circus, Knifing Kevin07 is the gift that just keeps giving, _ to Mr-Rabbit.

  102. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:05 pm

    “Oh dear … D might be the voice of reason … ”

    D seems quite nice for a “Leftie”.

    And rather calmer than the irrationals inhabiting a certain Cafe

  103. Meta permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:08 pm

    Yes, it‘s a worry.)

  104. dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:23 pm

    dear dear. just a scrubber from the ‘burbs’

  105. dianne permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:32 pm

    thanks Walrus.actually you fellows? are performing a social service. i am surrounded by people who think Abbott is hot stuff. i am outnumbered. you provide my venting opportunity otherwise i might explode. it is volatile out there.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:32 pm

    M ..

    features a soldier who constantly embellishes his accomplishments while his slave Artotrogus, in asides, claims the stories are untrue and he is only backing them up to get fed.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    dear dear. just a scrubber from the ‘burbs’

    Aren’t we all … 😉

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 4:33 pm

    er ,,, D … most of the scrubbers here are actually Abbott barrackers …

  108. June 7, 2013 4:35 pm

    “Aren’t we all …”

    Speak for yourself Queenlander…!

  109. June 7, 2013 4:35 pm

    just a scrubber from the ‘burbs’

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  110. June 7, 2013 4:44 pm

    Strolling past the nursing home cafeteria ….

    Miglo:

    ” thank you to everybody who has made CW a success”

    Erin:

    “What exactly is the measure of success here ? Is it to inform and ultimately influence people to identify with the Gillard Labor government ? Because in the past three years her public standing appears to have gone from bad to worse ?????”

    LOL!

  111. June 7, 2013 4:46 pm

    “Aren’t we all ”

    Some of us are from the Sticks…& arguably detest Abbott more.

    I don’t think we really have anyone actively cheering for Abbott, even the rightards. But we have no shortage of people kicking the government.
    Neil is more of a Howard-booster than an Abbottlicker, and snacty, bless his sincerity, probably qualifies as the only one who ever makes positive comments about Abbott; even then, they’re not arselicking Abbott-boosting, imo.

  112. June 7, 2013 4:59 pm

    ‘Erin’ is being accused, in a sideways fashion, of being, YomM. 🙄

    They really just don’t get that other people might have differing stances on things which they’ve welded their positions to.

  113. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:06 pm

    ‘Some of us are from the Sticks…& arguably detest Abbott more.’

    I’m also from the bush and we vote for the Nats … and we don’t detest Tabit.

  114. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:12 pm

    How can anyone attack JG for reneging on carbon tax promise and then vote for Abbott who will probably never reveal what he really wants to do.

    Abbott is to Climate Change what Gillard was to Fabian Socialism (or perhaps the opposite?).

    Everyone knows where he stands personally on the issue. But there isn’t a politician in the world who would be electable if they didn’t moderate their stance on certain issues. Yes, political expediency. But necessarily so. Gillard won’t be booted out of office because of her socialism. It will be because of her incompetence and dishonesty. Not the dishonesty of the political variety. Her straight out deceit of the Australian public. Over and over again.

    You can expect that Abbott will kind of get his green army going, but it will be among the first of the areas to suffer cuts when cuts have to be suffered. And rightly so. It’s a load of Bolshevik shit.

    The worry with Abbott is that he’ll be so fkn surprised at how the PMship was presented to him, that he’ll do anything not to fck it up. And we might find ourselves with a Baillieu situation, where everyone just gets so restless at the inaction he gets moved on. Turnbull isn’t there to be Communications Minister for the next 10 years. I’d actually have Turnbull in Foreign Affairs. Bishop as Attorney General.

  115. June 7, 2013 5:23 pm

    ” Bishop as Attorney General.”

    Bronwyn Bushop would make a great AG… She’s got the hair and the outfits.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:23 pm

    TJ – ”‘Erin’ is being accused, in a sideways fashion, of being, YomM.”

    Really!!???

    I’ll have to look!

    But let the record show that I haven’t bothered there since Miglo initiated his more recent ban, about this time last year I think.

    They probably think anyone who is able to articulate a reasonable alternative view is me.

  117. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:25 pm

    Well said Sancty, can’t fault it. Except that I have more faith in the Green Army.

  118. June 7, 2013 5:27 pm

    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the so called self professed left-leaning blogs use the disparaging term troll on an increasing basis to deride anyone who doesn’t subscribe to a mindless admiration of Gillard?

    I used to see it now and then, but they seem to use it all the time these days..

  119. June 7, 2013 5:28 pm

    I was speaking for myself, el gordo, and stating my locality.

    I certainly wouldn’t presume to speak for everyone in the Sticks. In fact, the majority around here have their noses firmly planted in Abbott’s date; all of those who aren’t put off by his overt religiosity, that is (it’s surprising how many people that unnerves).

  120. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:29 pm

    “……….i am surrounded by people who think Abbott is hot stuff.”

    Hang around “D” as you might met Kittylitter/Armchair Opionator soon. She really thinks Mr Abbott in his Speedos is a sight to behold.

    Her blood really runs hot when she sees him……………………she positively mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmelts

    LOL

  121. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:35 pm

    ‘I was speaking for myself’

    Me too… the situation is that rural and regional electorates have all gone over to the conservatives. That’s where the green army comes in, its useful Bolshevik shit for Barnaby to run.

  122. June 7, 2013 5:41 pm

    Mr-Rabbit is a chick magnet. 🙂

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:42 pm

    Yes, I see – it’s Tom R.

    He’ll read this, so I am able to assure him that Erin is not me.

    Tom R proves yet again he’s more suited to a blog where the entry requirement is a double digit IQ.

  124. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:42 pm

    “….‘Erin’ is being accused, in a sideways fashion, of being, YomM…………”

    Yeah

    She’s had a few things to say about “small businesses” struggling at the moment and all and sundry like that genius Adrian and their very own version of Warren Buffet (aka Catching Up) et al weighing into her with the usual bizarre frenzied accusations of “troll”

    Its like a Zombie spotting excercise over there except they are the Zombies.

    I wonder if they had a bit of a peek at the number of small business bankruptcies last year. It would show them up as the bullshit artists they truly are.

    Anyway the Cafe has taken on a certain “seige mentality” as the panic reaches a frenzy in the countdown to September.

  125. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:49 pm

    Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    It seems I am also banned over there as well.

    Which is interesting since I have around 6 IP addresses and 8 other email addresses that I have yet to use at any of the “Technology King’s” blogs.

    LOL

  126. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:56 pm

    ‘…at least you guys don’t just ban or block anyone who has a different opinion.’

    Erin has a sarcastic tone.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 5:57 pm

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

    Yeah I sometimes click that button and go … bugger … not as often as you tho’ …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This is oh so funny … like a Monty Python script …

    Everyone knows where he stands personally on the issue.

    No we don’t – first he believes then he don’t … does he believe now?

    But there isn’t a politician in the world who would be electable if they didn’t moderate their stance on certain issues. Yes, political expediency. But necessarily so.

    You mean LIE … like PM Gillard? So its Ok for Tones but not for Jools? 🙄

    Shall I do a review of Abbott’s Youtube lying again?

    Abbott lies more than a King’s Cross prostitute …

    Gillard won’t be booted out of office because of her socialism. It will be because of her incompetence and dishonesty.

    WTF did socialism come from … how has she been incompetent?

    I know she can’t get the message across … Abbott just freezes …

    Not the dishonesty of the political variety. Her straight out deceit of the Australian public. Over and over again.

    Wha-a-a-a-a-t does that mean??

    From my observations Abbott would be far more decietful than Gillard … from Lateline and Tony Jones … “your meeting with bishop pell” Abbott “I haven’t seen bishop pell for months” … Jones “you were with him two days ago … Tuesday” … Abbott “oh, that meeting” … FMD!

    So what you are doing is saying that its OK for Abbott to lie as a politician but not Gillard? 😯

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:00 pm

    I wonder if they had a bit of a peek at the number of small business bankruptcies last year. It would show them up as the bullshit artists they truly are.

    And you should, as a CPA* … that there is always a massive number of bankruptcies every year …

    sic 😛

  129. June 7, 2013 6:02 pm

    “their very own version of Warren Buffet (aka Catching Up)”

    LOL.. 🙂

  130. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:03 pm

    “And you should, as a CPA*”

    I’m not a lowlife CPA………….I’m a CA for the 1 millionth f**kin’ time

    I know you just do that to annoy me LOL

  131. "That Scumbag Walrus" permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:04 pm

    “Abbott lies more than a King’s Cross prostitute … ”

    Were you shortchanged a few times ???????????

  132. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:07 pm

    ‘No we don’t – first he believes then he don’t … does he believe now?’

    Its crap and he knows it, but with so many brainwashed people he has decided to err on the side of caution. Abbott has no backbone.

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:12 pm

    I know you just do that to annoy me LOL

    LOL! You must stop skim reading and actually comprehend … check my last word …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Its crap and he knows it, but with so many brainwashed people he has decided to err on the side of caution. Abbott has no backbone.

    Bit like, eggs, I suppose, egg? 😕

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:15 pm

    Its crap and he knows it, but with so many brainwashed people he has decided to err on the side of caution. Abbott has no backbone.

    And another example of how its OK for Abbott to lie …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Were you shortchanged a few times ???????????

    Typical … metaphors just slide right past ya, Wally … 😉

  135. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:30 pm

    FMD!”

    Get with the times! FMD is archaic – try MMV.

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:40 pm

    Won’t work for me I’m afraid, sb …

  137. June 7, 2013 6:44 pm

    Didn’t the hapless Queenslanders get MMV’d the other night? 😆

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2013 6:59 pm

    I never understood how you could stage manage a football game until Wednesday night, Toilette … unfknbelievable … just to keep the NSW fans coming …

    If ever you wanted proof that we a now stuck in an economy thought bubble that was it … really quite sad that people don’t get it …

    Well, Wally, does, he prays to the $$$ deity every night obviously … 😉

  139. egg permalink
    June 7, 2013 8:36 pm

    ‘And another example of how its OK for Abbott to lie …’

    Its despicable but….. that’s politics.

  140. June 7, 2013 8:39 pm

    “MMV”

    Someone should let Catching Up know….

    LOL 🙂

  141. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2013 10:58 pm

    “Well, Wally, does, he prays to the $$$ deity every night obviously … ”

    Well I wish he’d start sitting up straight and fucking well listen for a change.

    Have you tracked the ASX since February .

    LOL

  142. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:07 pm

    “Miglo tries to start puerile arguments on other sites (eg TPS) that he bans on his own. He listed the locations I’d commented from and talked about his ability to use technology to identify me.”

    ToM 11:30am

    Miglo is hopeless at technology and physics. Remember all those times he threatened you guys would “have blood on your hands”

    Doh……Gravity works

  143. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:27 pm

    Rudd clearly on a campaign to see if he can get the ALP a lift in the Polls.

    Next Newspoll in 2 weeks I think whilst all MPs in Canberra .

    He has also changed his language to “I can’t see the circumstances” or something like that of being leader again. So he’s gone to March 2012 language.

    If he moves that poll by 3 its on.

    I thought he’d just allow History to show Gillard as the destroyer of the ALP.

    He wants to be the martyr

  144. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 7, 2013 11:28 pm

    Actually moving a poll by 3 will be put down to “error”
    He needs to move it by 4 or 5

  145. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:40 am

    “with the exception of a few rusted-on Gillard apologist blogs”

    LMAO! Yes, one blog certainly does come to mind! Such a powerhouse of ideas and logic/reasoning…They contribute much these days; reminiscent of rotten milk, spoiled wine and a padded room….

  146. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:56 am

    Good morning Sparta

    Im In the Nation’z dead beat capital

    A place where reality is too scared to venture into but whose parents try always to push.

  147. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:00 am

    But the hotel is extremely expensive and quite nice.

    And getting paid for by the Feds

    Accounting does pay LOL.

  148. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:09 am

    By the way if someone else is watching I will be on the extreme north side of the Lake at precisely 3pm today.

    Look for the bloke who is 4 foot 7 with blue eyes and a scar along his right hand cheek.

    Then call out “sausage dog”

    I’ll find you ……….LOL

    But I won’t be 4 foot 7

    ROFLMAO

  149. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:14 am

    The Duck reaches for a respirator!

    Don’t worry Duck
    .
    I’m here for money only

  150. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:41 am

    Can’t sleep

    Are there any fish in the big fucking Lake here ?

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 9:58 am

    We should never leave Wally alone at night … obviously … 😛

  152. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 10:10 am

    Re: Despicable lying being only politics
    Egg – Wouldn’t it be nice la la …… if we all said enuf already. We can’t take it anymore. Stop the lying!!!! People really have all the power in a functioning democracy.

  153. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 10:26 am

    Trouble is we don’t have a charismatic leader who can inspire, so we’ll have to wait on that one. In the meantime, our democracy is running well.

  154. June 8, 2013 10:53 am

    Liberal may not have the perfect team for running an economy but a mob of turkeys could do a better job than labor. As long as labor remains on a tax creation crusade and panders to unions, I cannot ever vote for them.

  155. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 10:53 am

    Yes but Obama is meant to be inspirational and I just feel uncomfortable because he seems so self aware. Don’t know if I want charisma. I want Truth and blunt Truth.

  156. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 11:10 am

    The blunt truth is that 100 asylum seekers are arriving every day and our winter power bills are phenomenal.

    Politicians are only human and the factions keep the backbench in line. In the case of the ALP the lemmings have strict orders and cannot act independently.

    When I mention charismatic leadership it has nothing to do with good looks and a vibrant personality … its a revolutionary individual who will tell the electorate how things are.

  157. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 11:26 am

    Meetings cancelled by the Feds.

    No reason other than “scheduling problems”

    Wait until they get our invoices.

    Your taxes hard at work.

    So back to Sydney we go.

    I don’t know how anyone can live in this joint. It’s horrible.

  158. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 11:43 am

    Absolutely Egg I want the truth about power bills going up which cannot all be shovel led home to carbon tax. I want a rational discussion about refugees. Truth is charismatic. You are right Egg. Unadorned facts, context, history, problems outlined instead of three word slogans, character assassination, pretence, direct lies, lies by omission …. People would respect courage because it means that type of leader we yearn for has respect for us.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:06 pm

    Rudd gets the star treatment in Geelong. No one threw a sandwich at him! His interview on 7.30 proves he is the single ALP figure able to connect with the voters.

    There must be about 50+ MPs now wishing they could figure out how to get Gillard to go without a fuss.

  160. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:09 pm

    ‘More than 32 sitting Labor MPs and candidates who fear losing their seats have asked for Mr Rudd to campaign in their electorates.

    ‘However, Rudd-backers yesterday revealed the tour was about testing the waters for a final push to retake the leadership by proving that he alone had the popularity to win in September.’

    Simon Benson in the Daily Tele

  161. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:14 pm

    ‘…which cannot all be shovel led home to carbon tax.’

    I beg to differ … if you would care to step out the back (CO2 and You) we can discuss it further.

  162. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:36 pm

    Hi guys, haven’t said much for a while, but you lot continue to amuse me and keep me up to date on the important issues.
    I must say, I nearly chocked when I heard Rudd on tv saying he was simply out there helping Gillard. Surely with those “not campaigning” together , labor are in dire straights.
    Obama does have a certain charisma, and can deliver a damm good, stirring speech, but I have watched him and I think that he has a little speaker in his ear, and some other guy, or girl, is actually telling him what to say, I think that’s why he has such frequent pauses.
    I’m getting a little holiday paid for by the boss too, off to SOL, can’t wait 🙂

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:59 pm

    I don’t know how anyone can live in this joint. It’s horrible.

    Yeah, I agree, Wally, the first time I drove into the ACT (we’d just come up from Wagga and my son’s march out) I said, “No wonder politicians don’t make decisions fro Australia – its like driving into Europe … it is not REAL … the very air says FALSEFALSE FALSE …

    Disclaimer: I can stand Sydney for a maximum of three days and then get I claustraphobia – must get out!

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 12:59 pm

    claustrophobia

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:00 pm

    er, SOL … please explain … 🙂

  166. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:03 pm

    No Egg I can’t discuss carbon further. I have just limped back inside after a lot of hot air came my way from a couple of Jehovahs. They had me cornered in the garden as I was working the hoe. Anyway they were nice so I let them have a go. Bad mistake. They want to come back!!!!

  167. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:14 pm

    SOL, small place on Kangaroo Island.
    Hmmm, we had a gang of JW, or Mormons in our area too, saw them coming and avoided them, I’m a bit soft and if cornered, I let them go on and on for ages, thing is with my hummmmphy look they must realize I’m bored shitless, but ,hey, if it makes them feel better.
    Did buy some soup mugs from the RSPCA 1/2 hour ago, must learn to ignore phone numbers I don’t recognize , someone has to help the poor critters though.

  168. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:18 pm

    ‘….they had me cornered in the garden’

    Where’s toiletjesus when you need him?

    ‘I can’t discuss carbon further.’

    The offer remains open, I have some interesting graphs.

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:25 pm

    “His interview on 7.30 proves he is the single ALP figure able to connect with the voters.”

    It looks like ALP supporters go for the charismatic leader. They behave like schoolgirls at a rock concert when Rudd turns up.

    But is he any good at policy?? Can he lead. Looks like people do not care.

  170. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:38 pm

    Huuuuuuumph you sound sweet. Egg I am too stoopid for graphs, besides I would have to hunt for a pie chart to hurl at you. Neil I cannot understand Kevin’s appeal. What is it exactly?

  171. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 8, 2013 1:48 pm

    “its like driving into Europe … it is not REAL … the very air says FALSEFALSE FALSE …”

    ROFLMAO

    That’s it TB

    You’ve nailed it.

    I was asked late yesterday to accompany 2 tax lawyers to a meeting on behalf of the CA Institute because the guy who was supposed to go was ill.

    And the Feds cancel. Unbelievable. $8 k just for the lawyers.

    Anyway had a nice lunch. Waiting for a flight.

    Sydney gives me the shots too. That’s why I live at Palm Beach. Well away from the crap.

  172. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 2:11 pm

    Why did they cancel? Was the meeting any thing to do with super? I vaguely remember my FP saying something about super changes and governments and legislation will never happen, haha, snigger, snigger, but oops, I wasn’t paying much attention.
    Thank you D, I can be nice most of the time. You sound nice too 🙂

  173. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 2:41 pm

    Yes I am nice enough to prefer your sweet little chicken rather than that unmentionable s bottom places before us. When I first encountered it I reeled back from the screen.

  174. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 8, 2013 2:49 pm

    Tell me something, TB…….do you believe Kevin Rudd is a religious type?

    Do you believe Julia Gillard really gives a shit about marriage being the exclusive domain of heterosexual couples?

    Abbott espouses the Climate Change line because politically he has to. He can’t afford for that issue to drown out his broader political message. That’s politics.

    And please don’t compare Abbott to Gillard in terms of deceit. There’s political expedience and outright deception. Any follower of politics knows the difference.

  175. Dan permalink
    June 8, 2013 2:54 pm

    Mr Abbott isn’t the person to lead this country, he is to agressive and is on the side of big business. Even if Ms Gillard has made some mistakes I would not prefer Mr Abbott.

  176. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:03 pm

    From what I’ve read in the papers, I think a majority of voters would prefer a dead dog to Gillard though.

  177. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:10 pm

    Ol’ Sancty – apologies for butting in but I would like to contibute to distinction you made in Abbott’s favourably on the matter of political expediency and deceit. I assume you are referring primarily to her reneging on carbon tax issue. I think political expediency rather than deceit covers that. She was dealing with the Greens to attain power. Overturning promises about that tax was a means to an end i.e. expedient. She was not concealing or distorting the truth or setting out to mislead at any stage I.e. deceiving. Abbott would have done the same thing.

  178. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:41 pm

    ‘She was not concealing or distorting the truth or setting out to mislead at any stage I.e. deceiving. Abbott would have done the same thing.’

    crap

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:43 pm

    “She was dealing with the Greens to attain power. ”

    Yeah right. So if the Greens did not get what they wanted from Gillard they would have sided with Abbott?? Right??

    Gillard lied to win the election. She lied to everybody.

    I remember well the so-called core and non-core promises which ALP supporters used time and time again against Howard. Not too sure what these core and non-core promises were. But the moment Gilarrd changes her policies out come the excuses from ALP supporters.

    ALP supporters have no principle. They will support Gillard no matter how corrupt she is.

  180. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:52 pm

    Egg – why crap? I don’t think Tony Windsor was lying when he said Abbott told him he would do anything to achieve power. Remember how he promised Andrew, billions for a hospital. The only point I am making is that you cannot make a subtle distinction to excuse one. Neil I don’t know what the Greens would have done. Again it is not the point.

  181. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:53 pm

    Andrew Wilkie

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 3:55 pm

    “Neil I don’t know what the Greens would have done.”

    I do. They never would have sided with Abbott.

  183. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:06 pm

    No way in this world would the Greens have gone with Abbott, neither would Windsor. Windsor is being eaten alive with hatred of Abbott. IMHO Oakeshott wouldn’t support Abbott, so Gillard payed a very high price to remain as “leader”.

  184. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:07 pm

    I think you are right there but I am sure given his own admission to Windsor he would have offered them a carbon tax if they had sided with him. Ol S said himself that Abbott has taken the line on climate change that he has because it is politically expedient. I agree. Why is that not a concealment or distortion of truth for the purposes of misleading i.e. deceit.

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:32 pm

    “Windsor is being eaten alive with hatred of Abbott”

    Absolutely. It is good to see that ALP supporters can tell the truth from time to time. In fact i would say that hatred against the Coalition is the main driving force of Tony Windsor. How anybody can support this traitor to Australia is beyond me.

    Tony Windsor is a total waste of space and a traitor to Australia.

  186. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:42 pm

    On global warming Tony Abbott said “the argument is absolute crap.”

    This makes him a closet member of the Denialati.

  187. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:50 pm

    ‘…for the purposes of misleading i.e. deceit.’

    The population has been brainwashed, with Fairfax and the ABC propaganda wings of this deceitful government.

    Fairfax is on its last legs, but aunty will need to be purged. Abbott needs to wait, frustrating as it is, until the masses are told the truth by our publicly funded organ.

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:54 pm

    Well here is people who support the ALP. Bob Ellis is speech writer to Bob Carr, Foreign Minister of Australia

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/06/07/curse-you-john-faulkner-an-agonising-reappraisal/

    “All this is delusional anyway. Abbott’s character flaws, and his connection with pederasts, and his habit of fucking girls while dressed as a priest, will do for him I think, and bring back the Undecideds”

    And you wonder why I am anti the ALP. A totally and corrupt and immoral political party

  189. Dianne permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:54 pm

    Canberra Times Aug 17 2012:
    Report of statement to Parliament by Tony Windsor who accused TA of secretly promising to introduce a carbon tax if crossbenchers supported his bid to be PM.

    Windsor said Abbott begged them to make him PM saying: ‘the only thing I wouldn’t do is sell my arse’ It is a serious matter to mislead Parliament. Windsor has never been accused of doing so. I am not surprised that Abbott wanted to deal. I am not surprised that Gillard did. I just believe one should not be judged more harshly for the same action.

  190. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:56 pm

    Ellis is off on another bender, methinks.

  191. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 4:58 pm

    Windsor makes shit up in parliament, like accusing Barnaby of getting a leg up from Gina, he really should lay off the turps.

  192. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:07 pm

    IMO, Windsor is so full of hatred for the opposition, he is now a powder keg waiting to go off. He admitted the Gina donation thing was a rumor, blah, blah. I also think that he is one of Gillards advisers these days, sad thing is I think she actually listens to him.

  193. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:20 pm

    ‘Abbott has taken the line on climate change that he has because it is politically expedient.’

    No, being of a conservative bent, they see it as expensive folly and will abolish the CEFC.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/coalition-clean-energy-finance-corporation

  194. Dan permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:21 pm

    I don’t think the PM will be so unpopular when people think when the election happens.mr Abbott doesn’t have all the answers and many people will decide to stay with the PM.

  195. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:29 pm

    What I’d like to know is, with the carbon pricing collapsed overseas, why is the carbon tax increasing here on 1 st July? Any idea anyone?

  196. June 8, 2013 5:29 pm

    ” Oakeshott wouldn’t support Abbott, so Gillard payed a very high price to remain as “leader”.
    *
    Sorry Hummmph. That`s what Mr-Rabbit thought. Too.
    *
    The reality is one of them needed to `deal`.
    lf there was `no-deal` with the others, Joolya or Mr-Rabbit would have been installed as a Lame-Duck. That means they would have been PM in name only, and have all of their bills knocked down, and get nothing they wanted done either. Mr-Rabbit would be better in the Lame-Duck scene-rio, l reckon.

  197. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:35 pm

    Fair enough 7.30, but I have heard Gillard is a lame duck PM regardless.

  198. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:35 pm

    ‘The reality is one of them needed to `deal`.

    When it comes to realpolitik our jools is a nasty piece of work.

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:41 pm

    I do find it odd that so many ALP supporters fawn over Windsor and ignore that he’s one of the few MPs who supports capital punishment and relaxation of gun control.

  200. June 8, 2013 5:41 pm

    Hummph, a true Lame-Duck would not be able to get passed 400-500 bills passed. Her media wranglers and image strategists are lame-Ducks tho for sure.
    *
    Egg, Just as nasty as Mr-Rabbit.

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:49 pm

    Windsor & Oakeshott did whatever they had to, to avoid an early election.

    It’s as simple as that.

  202. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 5:53 pm

    7.30, I have heard that she has passed loads of bill, don’t know what they are, only hear of the bigger bills that are opposed ( for the most part anyway) so not being an expert, I’d say that they don’t effect me enough to be aware of them, but must be a hell of a lot of paperwork for someone, also, I’m sure governments in the past have passed mountains of bills without your average person taking any notice. Which, sort of makes me think that part of Gillard/ labors problem is that are trying to change/ introduce too much at once.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:20 pm

    … he’s one of the few MPs who supports capital punishment and relaxation of gun control.

    So what’s wrong with that?

    One bill that became law (ie an Act) that affects us all – including you, Hmmph, is the Competition & Consumer Act 2010 … incorporates the ols Trade Practices Act and all the state consumer laws … it gives us consumers massive right to protection from shoky goods and services … Schedule 2 is wher you look …

    eg YOU have the right to decide whether you get a REFUND, replacement or repair … not the retailer …

    AND this is where the Gillard Government FAILS badly … they do not know how to market their product!

    Kneel, is constantly prattling Young Liberal nonsense here and most of it is innuendo and deception that the people who aren’t interested in politics like us lot believe …

    ToM, peddles the repeat it often enough bullet points it must be true line …

    Gillard and the Union Factions have destroyed the ALP … and unless it is completely cleansed of blood and offal is doomed to stay DEAD!Personally I have no time for either major party

    BUT I get pissed off when people make out that Abbott & The Acolytes are the Second Fkn Cumming!

    Tell the truth yourselves …

    They are the Devil Incarnate … all of them …

  204. June 8, 2013 6:31 pm

    Hummmph , l`m sure you are correct ,
    governments in the past have passed mountains of bills,
    don’t know what they are,
    but we keep getting nonsense and noise from the embedded media.
    Mr-Rabbit and Joolya are irritants like grains of sand in my arse-crack, they have been so since 2010. The embedded media have really tried hard to sink the watermelon govt and promote Mr-Rabbit. l think it has back-fired tho, non-aligned voters are hating what is served up as `political` news coverage.

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:34 pm

    “Kneel, is constantly prattling Young Liberal nonsense here and most of it is innuendo and deception that the people who aren’t interested in politics like us lot believe …”

    Not really but i do post stuff like this

    Can you believe it?? During the biggest mining boom in Australian history Queensland lost its credit rating and the boom took place in Queensland.

    If this had happened if a Coalition govt was in power deadbeats like TB would be going troppo. But since Tb’s loyality is to the ALP rather than Australia he does not care

  206. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:45 pm

    ‘Just as nasty as Mr-Rabbit.’

    Nah, she takes the cake.

  207. June 8, 2013 6:47 pm

    Kneel prattles `again` about our glorified dirt delivery service that only employs 1.2%-of the workforce. Kneel of course doesn`t understand the facts behind what he spouts.

  208. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:49 pm

    As far as the media goes, if I see, read, watch something I don’t agree with I just say hummmph, if I see or watch or read something I don’t like, but know is probably correct, I just say hummmph.
    TB, thanks for enlightening me on at least one new bill, next time some “group” shall we say try to replace some dud new thingy with a dodgy refurb, I just tell them to f&;k off, I’m entitled to a new one : )

  209. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:51 pm

    ‘They are the Devil Incarnate … all of them …’

    You can drop the religiosity, Abbott and his merry band intend to reign in useless waste, which is what the taxpayers expect them to do after the election.

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 6:54 pm

    “they do not know how to market their product!”

    What product?? We have locked up in detention more people than Howard has done?? We have locked up more asylum seeker children than Howard did.

    In fact by encourging asylum seekers to come here by boat we have killed more people than anybody.

    Well done Tb, because of your vote in 2007 more than 1,000 people have drowned.

    I hope you rote in hell Tb. At least fourty thousand asylum seekers in camps have lost places in Australia because of your vote in 2007. My aged father used to help the Karen people from Burma get drivers licences in Australia. Not any more he doesn’t. Karen people cannot get into Australia any more because of your vote in 2007

  211. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:02 pm

    Ummm, I think another boat sank of Christmas Island today , haven’t heard if anybody drowned.

  212. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:02 pm

    ‘many people will decide to stay with the PM.’

    Around 23% of the population, many rusted ons but mostly millions of brainwashed people.

  213. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:03 pm

    Actually, labor has made things so tough for asylum seekers, soon they won’t want to come.

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:09 pm

    “Actually, labor has made things so tough for asylum seekers, soon they won’t want to come.”

    Another deluded ALP supporter. The ALP has mad it so attractive that we are getting at least 40,000 boat people/year.

    Like i said before my aged father used to help the Karen people from Burma get drivers licences. Not any more however.

    Because evil humans like TB voted for Rudd in 2007 the Karen people from Burma cannot get into Australia.

    Only asylum seekers with $$$$$10,000 can get into Australia.

    I hope everybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 rot in hell.

  215. June 8, 2013 7:11 pm

    ” Abbott and his merry band intend to reign in useless waste, which is what the taxpayers expect them to do after the election. ”’
    *
    He will have a mandate.
    And he can start with trace-gas-trolls pensions, who collect off the workers back, then cheer-lead against same workers.

  216. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:15 pm

    Just hang on there Neil, don’t you call me an ALP supporter , I got caned by TB when I posted here a while ago because I voted for Libs.
    As for Gillard making it tough for asylum seekers, that was tongue in cheek. I read P Kelly’s article in the Oz today, certainly puts the whole “boat people” thing into perspective .
    why do they throw their pass ports away anyway?

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:17 pm

    But since Tb’s loyality is to the ALP rather than Australia he does not care

    You really need to wash yo mouf out, Kneel …

    You claim to have been posting since Blogocracy and still don’t see that I criticise BOTH parties … you however promote the Liberal Party Daily Shite … FFS grow some balls and think for yourself …

    I hope you rote in hell Tb

    Chuckle … seem to have hit a note in “rote” … erm, one vote doesn’t make ME responsible to arrogant little twat … I had no idea I had so much POWER!

    BTW hell don’t exist, Kneel, wrong again … I will rote in the ground tho … 😈

  218. June 8, 2013 7:24 pm

    ” article in the Oz today, certainly puts the whole “boat people” thing into perspective .”
    yeah right Hummmph ,
    the `oz` just over-flows with “perspective“
    *
    more perspective
    https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/co2-and-you-ii/

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:25 pm

    Because evil humans like TB voted for Rudd in 2007 the Karen people from Burma cannot get into Australia … I hope everybody who voted for Rudd in 2007 rot in hell.

    WTF are you ON, Kneel … its people like you and the above comments who give the Liberal Party a bad name … and obvious association with the National Socialist Party …

    You were previously obsessed with Russian immigration now its Kayin … I’ve got news for you, Scott Morrison won’t GAFF about the Kayin issue even if he becomes the minister for immigration … nowt ta do wi’ me, lad …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_people

  220. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:30 pm

    7.30, you can’t deny that Gillard/ labor current policy is at a stand still, people keep coming, they are not being processed, if the same number say, 20000 come, in 3 years time that will be 60000 not being processed, not working, just living on handouts, when will there be enough living like this, that it will be a problem? What do we do then?

  221. June 8, 2013 7:40 pm

    boat-people keep coming Hummmph ,
    under the John-W/Joolya/Mr-Rabbit policy ,
    and hysteria has reigned because politicians preferred to play politics with le-miserable`s lives, and the embedded media preferred to join in the disgrace instead of do their job and hold power to account.

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:42 pm

    “WTF are you ON, Kneel”

    ?? I said it as I saw it. We used to take 14,000 refugees from camps around the world.

    Because of your vote in 2007 we only take asylum seekers with $$$$$$$$$10,000.

    And you agree with this of course.

  223. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 7:42 pm

    I agree, policies not working, people still miserable, what’s the solution?

  224. June 8, 2013 7:55 pm

    what’s the solution?
    l`ve never pretended to have solution on boat-people Hummph.
    *
    However, l am consistent on saying our country should behave ethically, live-up to our UN/human-rights contracts we signed for the benefit of international grand-standing and not wallow in the cesspit of hypocrisy like the yanks do. l have this basic position on everything whether, boat-people, or invading and torturing lraq/Afghan prisoners.

  225. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 8:12 pm

    That’s the thing 7.30, it dosnt seem that there is a solution that suits everyone, probably never will be.

  226. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 8:14 pm

    ‘not working, just living on handouts, when will there be enough living like this, that it will be a problem? What do we do then?’

    Have you read my thesis on the Ord Concentration Camp?

  227. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 8:19 pm

    No razor wire, lots of fresh air, three star accommodation and work for all…. albeit guest worker rates.

  228. Hummmph permalink
    June 8, 2013 8:20 pm

    DR egg (?) no I haven’t read it, give us a summary please

  229. June 8, 2013 8:27 pm

    Actually Hummph ,
    there are solutions to most things in the world.
    lt is just the mega-rich don`t want to solve them.
    And obstruct those that do.

  230. egg permalink
    June 8, 2013 8:37 pm

    Essentially, all illegal guest workers will be retained there until they learn a spattering of English, gain a trade and understand our sports. This cultural education will help them adapt in the outside world.

    At the moment we are sowing the seeds of an underclass and this must stop.

  231. June 8, 2013 8:40 pm

    Let them all come.

    That’s my answer.

  232. June 8, 2013 9:41 pm

    ” Let them all come. ”
    .?.? That`s not in the Hand-Book. 🙂

  233. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 7:46 am

    ‘If elected, our first day will begin with instigating the carbon repeal process. The second job will be to talk to the navy about new instructions for our naval forces in the seas to our north,” Mr Abbott said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-maps-out-first-day-in-pms-office-20130608-2nwvc.html#ixzz2VfCnHzag

  234. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:13 am

    ‘IT is predictable that the collapse in Australia’s border security and the arrival of more than 43,000 boatpeople since Labor came to power has become the suffocating electoral issue in Western Sydney.

    ‘The warning this week from Gillard supporter Laurie Ferguson, Labor MP for Werriwa, known for his ties to ethnic communities, that “we are dead” on this issue follows the ominous alert issued a few weeks earlier by John Howard.’

    Paul Kelly in the Oz

  235. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:52 am

    “Let them all come.”

    Interesting notion…Perhaps once every country is a third world toilet we can do away with the UN Charter? I think then and only then will some be happy…Honestly though, if “Western” guilt is too much for some then LEAVE it behind and slam down a warm glass of cholera water to celebrate…Build it, and they will come…by the billions! LOL

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 9:39 am

    The Age is running a story about a poll that shows a 7% jump in the ALP’s 2pp vote if Rudd takes the leadership.

    1. The Age is part of the hate media
    2. I think it would be very entertaining if the ALP could give the Libs a huge scare by returning to Rudd.

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 9:54 am

    I think it would be very entertaining if the ALP could give the Libs a huge scare by returning to Rudd.

    So do I, ToM … pity the outcome would be same no competent people to run our country …

    Poor governance is not entertaining though … its bloody dangerous …

  238. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 10:11 am

    The Ruddster should stay put, until he has power thrust upon him.

    Over at AIMN they are discussing a politician pissing in someone’s shoe, Sunday Funny.

  239. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:12 pm

    Heh.

    ‘A LOT of the so-called “commentators” in the hate media are trying to spread the lie that the Gillard government is in some kind of trouble.

    ‘Fortunately, in yet another extraordinary exclusive, I have unearthed a transcript of this week’s caucus meeting that shows federal Labor has never been stronger’

  240. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:17 pm

    “Of all the night’s topics [on Q&A], Aboriginal mourning practices were the most interesting and, worringly, the greatest challenge to pallid comprehension. It seems that when an Aborigine passes away, tradition demands his friends and family utter not his name nor view his image. That second traditional prohibition, while not explained, must surely have become the standard when the northern tribes adopted the Box Brownie as a totem, but let us leave the topic of pre-European portraiture for another day and a fresh set of ARC grants.”

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:22 pm

    egg, re AIMN, I see that Wiz (?) got whizzed by Migs … at the request of others … 🙄

    And the thread has obviously been “edited” ’cause I can’t find the “original” posts for a couple of quotes/comments being answered by others … doesn’t make much sense to me … purely speculative …

    And anyone that seems to disagree and calls it a beat up, is a “troll’ … ah well …

  242. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:27 pm

    Daily Kos: “. . . Now, those who have been paying attention for the last seven years are not surprised by the fact that our government appears to have grossly abused what, in The Patriot Act, was already a troubling response to 9/11. And hints of such abuse, coming from concerned politicians and targeted whistleblowers, have been swirling for years. That the Obama administration has expanded the Bush administration’s surveillance establishment is nothing new, if you’ve been watching things closely.

    “However, not everyone has been paying attention.

    “Now that they are, Americans are realizing that, when it comes to matters of national security, President Obama appears to be embodying precisely what they had originally rejected in President Bush. . .”

    Americans Are Outraged Because in Voting for Obama, They Thought They Were Rejecting Bush

  243. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:33 pm

    abc: “I am sorry that, as a United States senator and presidential candidate, I was critical of you about so many things I now, myself, am doing. . . . You can take heart that, even though I am a Democrat, I decided to keep going nearly all your vision and plans on national security and even take it to all-new levels.”

    An Imagined Letter From One President to Another

  244. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:39 pm

    TURKEY: Everyday I’m Çapuling!

  245. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:42 pm

    Did I read it right? The AGE poll, only looked a a few safe seats, wonder why that was? Just curious. In the tele today, says Gillard is going to launch a fund raiser, women for Gillard, using her misogyny speech, but wasn’t that same speech used to protect her Slippery Pete , being a woman my self, I have a feeling it may backfire. Just saying.

  246. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:47 pm

    ‘I see that Wiz (?) got whizzed by Migs … at the request of others …’

    Yeah…

    Over at the cafe I’m channeling scaper … and before you all start jumping up and down (him being a nasty piece of work) he’s a CC sceptic. Which shows a modicum of intelligence.

  247. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 12:59 pm

    ‘I have a feeling it may backfire. Just saying.’

    They are completely out of touch with the mood of the electorate.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:12 pm

    ToSY, love Stevie! Hilarious … you should drop it in at AIMN …

    And I confess Ive always wondered nay, commented at family gatherings of our clan, about the concept of … nor view his image … non of us could do that until the mid 1800’s and even then only a few Robber Barons …

    My parents didn’t own a camera until the late 1950’s …

    I treat aboriginals the same as I treat anyone else

  249. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:27 pm

    Yeah, I know TB. The only supernaturalism approved by the PC police is Dreamtime and its associated taboos and legends.

  250. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:41 pm

    TB, I thought you would have liked Doug!!

  251. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:42 pm

    ……and the rumours grow ever louder…….

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:50 pm

    TB, I thought you would have liked Doug!!

    Nae! Tha’s nae a real Scoats accen’ … as’ Jummy ‘eer …

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:52 pm

    ……and the rumours grow ever louder…….

    And as I keep trying to point out … six a one, an’ arf dozen o’ tother!

  254. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 9, 2013 1:57 pm

    Love this…..

    KEVIN: Framed it

    …..and this…..

    DOUG: Er, is it nae possible Prahm Meenista thaht it maht also hae a wee bit ta doo wit everthan we e’en look at sidewees turnin’ to shite ahnd the wee fahct that the hool country just fooken hates us?

    Whatever the accent accuracy……

  255. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 9, 2013 2:29 pm

    “Obama does have a certain charisma, and can deliver a damm good, stirring speech”

    When Obama’s teleprompter ‘takes the fifth’ he isn’t quite so eloquent.

  256. IPAddress permalink
    June 9, 2013 2:57 pm

    One can’t help but marvel, during the AFL’s annual celebration of the virtues of a particular race, “Dreamtime at the G”, at the acient traditional naming of the elder who gets slung somewhere from a monkey to a gorilla for performing a welcome-to-country (while three Uncles in possum skin coats look on): “Aunty” Joy Murphy, to be sure

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 3:55 pm

    TB – ” … six a one, an’ arf dozen o’ tother!

    I presume that’s about Rudd or Gillard. Maybe in general policy terms, though Rudd has differentiated himself on marriage and asylum seekers.

    The big difference is that Rudd can leave the ALP as a viable opposition, one that is capable of mounting a challenge in a term. He is also capable of insisting on some fundamental organizational reform.

    Gillard is a lame duck PM. She is incapable of cutting through with a message about government, and she represents the very worst in outcomes determined by warlords/hacks.

    Rudd would send the Libs into a panic, and that wouldn’t bother me at all.

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 4:07 pm

    The proof is in. Miglo simply cannot stand rational intelligent challenge, he bans it.

    He prefers the type of challenge provided by scaper, dull, pointless, delusional – the type of challenge that provides a target for easy ridicule.

    AIMN has fallen from its lofty objectives to just another club for ALP apologists.

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 4:12 pm

    I presume that’s about Rudd or Gillard.

    No, ToM, I was referring to the immaculate conception of rumour and innuendo at AIMN … something that I abhor … as you should well be aware of by now, methinks …

    I do agree with the comments/logic that followed the above though … I also fully concur with your last sentence …

    James, as I commented earlier, Stevie’s, thought dribbles were the highlight for me …

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 4:14 pm

    Now your rambling, ToSY … maybe stick to c&p or, less wine … just what do you drink anyway?

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2013 4:15 pm

    your = you’re … I know, I know …

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 7:10 pm

    I missed Barry Cassidy this morning, so I hadn’t quite caught up on how stridently he said Gillard was finished.

    I do hope he’s right. Gillard deserves it.

  263. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 7:19 pm

    Barrie believes the Ruddster will be in the big seat before September.

  264. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:03 pm

    Things must be grim if Barry Cassid is saying rudd will be back. Can’t see him as PM again though, if labor won at the election, I predict shortman as PM and Rudd as foreign minister. That way Rudd out of the country being very important and the whole world is his stage, shortman with union backing gets to run the country, rest of the labor party can unite, everyone happy, except us conservatives of course.

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:06 pm

    He also pointed out that 14 Sep is only Gillard’s date, and Rudd could call the election as early as 10 August.

    Crean for treasurer, Swan to backbench.

  266. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:12 pm

    I’d be happy with earlier election just so it’s over and done. Wonder what Gillard would do? Education minister, or minister of defense, no, it would have to be minister of women’s business, can’t actually remember what that portfolio is called. I love the word portfolio.

  267. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:18 pm

    The best Labor can hope for under his leadership, is slightly less than carnage. Let’s not forget their open borders policy and that odious tax, Rudd can’t do anything about that and its going to sink them no matter who is in charge.

  268. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:24 pm

    I know egg, but lets just imagine they did win, Abbott would be rolled as opposition leader, so he wouldn’t spit the dummy they would still have to give him a portfolio, he could be immigration minister, cause he knows all about smuggling, and the poodle at the end of my street is demanding a minister, I wonder who could fill that position?

  269. egg permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:31 pm

    The Coalition is going to win, drop the delusional stuff or you’ll end up like scaper.

    Channeling the Bolter… Corio is the bogan capital of Australia, I didn’t know that.

  270. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:33 pm

    Never heard of corio

  271. outlander permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:35 pm

    Talk about reporters reporting on reporters, ABC news radio is reporting Bazzer’s coment as news. Obviouslly he knows more than us of the mood in the party room. I can see them all squirming now, how could the union bosses come to a compromise with the Rudd suporters. Is it just like the last time, were there is a mood for change but it all depends on
    Rudd or some other Bozo/s putting their hand up to make it happen.
    Hummmmphs Shorten/Rudd senario sounds logical, but Shorten is still publicly suporting Gillard……….Better start sharpening that knife Bill.

  272. June 9, 2013 8:50 pm

    Check this out for partisan desperation!

    http://theaimn.com/2013/06/08/witnesses-wanted/

    Awesome unsubstantiated attempt at starting a political smearfest. The wishful thinking on display is lurid & embarrassing.

  273. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 8:59 pm

    I was there toilet, and Rudd did it.

  274. Hummmph permalink
    June 9, 2013 9:03 pm

    Outlander, maybe Tim told him, apparently they get on quite well.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 10:03 pm

    It’s an act of desperation, when the loft AIMN resorts to a contemporary version of a scandal rag. Rename it “The Truth”

    It’s a blog without credibility, reflecting that of its owner.

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2013 10:23 pm

    Yes Hummmph, maybe Tim.

  277. June 9, 2013 10:38 pm

    even the `bags` will enjoy this
    http://iainhall.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/gillard-not-drowning/

  278. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 9, 2013 11:12 pm

    Brad Pitt is in Sydney to promote World War Z.

    Which is a Zombie movie

    Does that say something about how creativity has come to a screaming half.

    My nieces and nephews discovered The Doors and Harry Chapin awhile ago .

    And one thought Masters Appretices “Turn Up Radio ” was unbdleivable.

    Yet we are back to 1950s zombies.

    What next some more Vincent Price ?

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2013 9:24 am

    Shorten has apparently ‘intimated’ that he’ll stick with Gillard.

    So-
    *It’s a media beat-up
    *Barry Cassidy (former ALP offsider) is now part of the hate media
    *Gillard will lead the lemmings over the cliff ALP to a glorious victory

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2013 10:21 am

    It’s a blog without credibility, reflecting that of its owner.

    LOL! The difference is that TDT claims to write BS … AIMN is really serious … 🙄

    Speaking of owners … where’s TDT’s blogmeaster?

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2013 10:24 am

    Will someone train Shorten to pronounce TH … ie “with” instead of “wif” … 😈

  282. June 10, 2013 10:53 am

    I’m at the so-called “Hobart International Airport” waiting to catch a flight back to civilisation….

  283. egg permalink
    June 10, 2013 11:04 am

    Assuming Kevin gets the nod and acclimation from the back bench, he may win the un-winnable election, but he’ll need to steal Abbott’s wind. That’s a nautical expression.

    Two issues have been festering and the monk will need to be a charismatic leader to pull off a stunning victory. Not sure he has the bottle.

  284. Hummmph permalink
    June 10, 2013 11:26 am

    Krudds office states this morning that he is not after the PMs job, he is only helping Julia. I wonder if Julia realizes the extent of the problem shortman alludes to? Apparently Windsor says he won’t back an other labor leader, it’s Julia or the deals off.

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2013 11:38 am

    Gillard is so discredited, so weak as a leader, that all Rudd has to do to set the leadership speculation going again, is have one decent interview.

    It’s proof that Gillard is a poor public performer with no ability to connect, quite the opposite to Rudd.
    —————
    TB, you’re right. This is a blog that has no pretensions, no agenda. AIMN claims to be something different, it claims to be diverse and independent. It’s actually delusional and dishonest.

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2013 11:39 am

    Windsor is full of hot air.

    What, with 2 weeks of sitting left, he’ll bring down the government and we’ll have the election a couple of weeks earlier!

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2013 11:58 am

    I’m at the so-called “Hobart International Airport” waiting to catch a flight back to civilisation….

    I’ve been there! Very friendly people … very much like Queenslanders … does the tin roof still leak?

    Pissin’ down in Brisbane … supposed to be the dry season … all next week too …

    Egg, you might have to reassess your views on climate change … 😆

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2013 12:02 pm

    … but he’ll need to steal Abbott’s wind. That’s a nautical expression.

    Don’t worry, Abbott’s Faceless Men, will have told him to keep every orifice shut. That’s a sarcastic expression … 😉

  289. Hummmph permalink
    June 10, 2013 12:18 pm

    Hot air, nautical wind, Windsor still think he’s an important bean bag. Gillard must be really pi&$ed off very time Kevin pops up to help. Kevin thinks revenge will be so sweet, every time he pops up he makes things worse for labor, so at least Gillard and Rudd seem to have the same agenda, maybe it’s a conspiracy. Haven’t heard from Gillard since Thursday or Friday, is she on holidays?

  290. egg permalink
    June 10, 2013 1:39 pm

    ‘Egg, you might have to reassess your views on climate change … ‘

    No, its my global cooling meme writ large.

  291. egg permalink
    June 10, 2013 1:43 pm

    ‘…is she on holidays?’

    Her boyfriend has a hideaway in the bush…

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2013 3:08 pm

    “Haven’t heard from Gillard since Thursday or Friday, is she on holidays?”

    That is the new ALP strategy. Less visible means slightly less hated.

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2013 8:33 pm

    Gillard and Shorten would be working the phones at the moment.

    Will the caucus follow the contemporary jelly back over the cliff?

  294. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 10, 2013 9:44 pm

    Dickhead uni students obviously run the Unions /ALP these days

    http://m.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/electrical-trades-union-compares-newman-government-to-nazi-regime-in-controversial-advertisement/story-fnihsrf2-1226660516092

  295. That Scumbag Walrus in Canberra permalink
    June 10, 2013 9:52 pm

    I went and saw the Great Gatsby today

    Gold Class of course

    Here’s my review

    *Really enjoyed it !

    * Acting great

    *Excellentover the top parties

    * Summation of plot is everyone except Nick, played by Tobie Maguire and the Shrink played by Jack Thompson are lovely.

    The rest are all up themselves in one way or another

    See it 3d if you can

    8 out of 10

  296. June 10, 2013 11:08 pm

    2 words..

    L A D Y

    S T O N E H E A R T

  297. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 8:55 am

    Emmersen must be the most loyal person in Oz, to Gillard any way. I do have a soft spot for him, only cause it was him that introduced me to gutter trash 🙂

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2013 9:28 am

    Emerson really is a dill.

    He’s one of the most senior ministers, while Rudd, Crean, Bowen, Ferguson, Faulkner, Fitzgibbon are all on the backbench.

    Stick with Gillard is his advice. He might as well say – march into the bayonets, they won’t hurt that much.

  299. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 9:38 am

    I agree he is a loyal/blind dill, still carrying a flame maybe.
    Gillard is a hypocrite, on the radio she was going on about how voters say who leads, not individuals in the party, then on cue starts ranting about Abbott. Go figure

  300. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 9:47 am

    Ah well, it maybe a good thing that Gillard is still delusional at this point, Labor will need a total restructure after the election.

    The general feeling is that in future the members will choose the leader.

  301. June 11, 2013 9:59 am

    The hilarity never stops!

    Craig Emerson was asked by Marius Benson on ABC New Breakfast this morning about the leadership debacle and Craig said that he hadn’t spoken to Bill Shorten or anyone else over the weekend about any leadership speculation, and that instead, he simply read what was published in the newspapers over the weekend and regarded those articles as “facts.”

    So much for that “hate media” conspiracy! Craig thinks the media is factually accurate!

    Then he goes on to say, that as far as the leadership issue is concerned, “nothing in his mind has changed.”

    His mind must be a lonely little place…

    Meanwhile Gillard poses for the cameras with a fluffy poodle as well as their pet dog, on the condition that no one is allowed to ask any questions….

    And yet the Cheer Squad slam Abbott for walking away from reporters after his press conferences….!

    Speaking of the Cheer Squad, I see that the latest post from a certain blogmasta, who has changed his image into some sort of geriatric leather clad Tom Jones figure, has attracted a fair bit of flack for just being “a load of crap…”

    Expect random mass bannings!!!!!

  302. June 11, 2013 10:02 am

    “Gillard is a hypocrite, on the radio she was going on about how voters say who leads, not individuals in the party,”

    Yes, I listened to that interminable drivel too…

    It was like pulling teeth….

    “I’ve got a big job to do with big things to do and my big job is to do those big things…”

    When will this condescending inane BS ever end….??

  303. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 10:20 am

    Ha ha, I have a dental phobia, was dreading my routine checkup to day, and yay, weather delayed the plane, and dentist can’t get here today, now I just have to worry about appt next week, I wonder if that’s a bit how Gillard is feeling.

  304. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 10:20 am

    I first spotted the said editor at TPS and figured he has decided to come out. Doesn’t look too bad for an old bloke.

  305. June 11, 2013 10:24 am

    “weather delayed the plane”

    You have to fly to see your dentist??

  306. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 10:33 am

    Dentist comes here every week, jolly decent of him, nothing to do with the bucket load of money he makes, but where would we be without them.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2013 10:36 am

    “Gillard is a hypocrite, on the radio she was going on about how voters say who leads, not individuals in the party,”

    Hypocrite much?

    How did she become PM, again? … who decided they wanted Rudd? … “… like the circles of your mind …”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Dickhead uni students obviously run the Unions /ALP these days

    And I thought you read, Max Hastings … people have reason to be pissed off with him …

    Obviously those nasty commos have long memr’ies, Wally …

    … Sieg heil! …

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2013 10:37 am

    Expect random mass bannings!!!!!

    You have been busy!

    Its already happened … well not “mass” but bans … Waz, was one …

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2013 11:07 am

    “Meanwhile Gillard poses for the cameras with a fluffy poodle as well as their pet dog, on the condition that no one is allowed to ask any questions….”

    You don’t want the bloody dog running of at the mouth do you? There are enough of them in caucus doing exactly that already.

  310. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 11, 2013 11:39 am

    “…..who has changed his image into some sort of geriatric leather clad Tom Jones figure,”

    LOL

    There’s a pretty decent “RSL nose” taking shape there

  311. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 12:37 pm

    Woo hoo, the carbon tax is working, it’s p$$ing down. The climate has changed. I hope it changes again tomorrow cause all my work clothes are on the line, and I need them to dry.

  312. June 11, 2013 12:49 pm

    Hands up, who thinks it’s fine for the US to clandestinely collect the web traffic & phone records of private citizens worldwide?

    Talk about Big Government.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/red-faced-us-probes-huge-intelligence-leak/story-e6frfro0-1226661542985

  313. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 12:53 pm

    “Big Brother is Watching You.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

  314. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 11, 2013 12:56 pm

    Not I.

  315. June 11, 2013 1:28 pm

    Choose your own Labor Disaster…

    http://newmatilda.com/2013/06/11/choose-your-own-labor-disaster

  316. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2013 1:30 pm

    Hands up, who thinks it’s fine for the US to clandestinely collect the web traffic & phone records of private citizens worldwide?”

    That is why i have always thought the NBN could be bad. I am not an expert on the internet but i bet you it would be easier to control the internet with something like an NBN than say wireless.

  317. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 1:41 pm

    Conroys always been in favor of a filter, I am no computer expert either, so in advance excuse any irrelevance of this comment.

  318. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 2:24 pm

    ‘Scenario three sees a handover to a third leader, someone who is neither Gillard nor Rudd.’

    A clean skin, somebody from the west who is about to lose his seat, understands business.

  319. Hummmph permalink
    June 11, 2013 2:29 pm

    ABORTION will become the “political play thing” of male politicians if the coalition wins the September federal election, Prime Minister Julia Gillard says.

    Oh dear, seems the gender war is being ramped up a notch.

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2013 2:36 pm

    Egg, no matter how much you talk up Smith, he just won’t cut it. He’s damaged by Gillard, relatively unappealing, would not add anything to their vote.

    If he survives the election, he might be the type to take the early buffeting in opposition. They’ll churn through a couple of leaders between 2013 and 2016, just as the Liberals did.

    Shorten might be wise to wait until later it the term.

  321. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 3:21 pm

    ‘Egg, no matter how much you talk up Smith, he just won’t cut it.’

    Totally agree ToM, I was thinking Gary Gray.

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2013 3:36 pm

    That is why i have always thought the NBN could be bad. I am not an expert on the internet but i bet you it would be easier to control the internet with something like an NBN than say wireless.

    😯 🙄 shakes head …

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2013 3:40 pm

    Choose your own Labor Disaster…

    How could you suggest Shorten? He’s the ond holding the chair for Gillard???

    They’d do better to bring back Latham … at least he’d get on with Abbott & The Acolytes*

    *sarc alert

  324. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2013 3:45 pm

    New Matilda: “It’s a depressing time for the progressive cause”

    Not sure what a ‘progressive’ is, but I don’t feel sorry for them. Progressives remind me of re-badged commos – victim-pimping miserabilists who want to inflict their sanctimonious morality on the rest of society. Their habitat is the pretentious dinner-party spent flaunting their exquisite consciences while using brandy balloons as fart-snifters.

    Better they spend their time in a state of maudlin despond than trying to ram their totalitarian agenda down our throats.

    The real sadness of the current state of Labor is that is a very bad time for the social democratic cause.

  325. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 11, 2013 3:45 pm

    “Shorten might be wise to wait until later it the term.”

    Shorten might be wise to wait until everyone has forgotten that in helping in sacking Rudd he got them into this frightful mess in the first place.

    The next Social Democrat PM is not even in the Parliament yet

  326. public toilet permalink
    June 11, 2013 3:52 pm

    There aren’t a whole lot of genuinely progressive governments on the planet, imo.

    Certainly not in OZ or the US.

    It amuses me that, generally, anything which isn’t dyed in the wool conservative is mislabeled as leftist or progressive.

    I think, for the most part, Western governments support entrenched power; no matter which party is in.
    This is a double edged sword.

  327. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 11, 2013 4:02 pm

    I’m not surprised someone is looking at our online stuff. Actually I’m certain that it’s not just the US. I doubt that they’d spend more than a few seconds on me. Pretty boring activity.

    And I guess to the extent that it might mean a few less bombs have gone off, I won’t be losing too much sleep over it.

    I don’t like my privacy being invaded, but I’ve regarded it as a given for a while now.

  328. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2013 4:05 pm

    I still don’t get what the ‘progressive cause’ is, other than some political label that became popular when, following the fall of the iron curtain, the stench attaching to the far left became unbearable.

    What do you think a progressive government would look like?

  329. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 11, 2013 4:06 pm

    Actually, Toilet, I think progressive, conservative, left, and right are relative rather than absolute terms. A “progressive” person is less likely to see “progressive” governments than a “conservative” person.

  330. June 11, 2013 4:31 pm

    If the snooping stops acts of terror, well & good. However, who believes that any government is altruistic enough to not exploit the intrusion & collation far beyond just ‘National Security”?

    It is also disturbing that the US government’s rhetoric excuses it on account of supposedly not spying on US citizens…but apparently ‘foreigners’ are fair game; the offense of this default position isn’t even countenanced.

    Fucking American Exceptionalism.

    I have nothing to fear either, but don’t appreciate the invasion of privacy. I also suspect that at least part of the motivation is to maintain a media stranglehold on intellectual property at the behest of gigantic US corporate interests.

  331. June 11, 2013 4:32 pm

    I don’t doubt that our own government would be well aware of it & complicit.

  332. June 11, 2013 4:35 pm

    It is Orwellian.

    I’d have thought it violated libertarian principles too.

    Imagine the screeching if it was Russia, China or Iran doing it (they probably are, just haven’t been caught out quite so red handed just yet).

  333. June 11, 2013 4:38 pm

    Citing National Security as a justification is like writing a blank cheque for the fuckers to do whatever the hell they like, with impunity & without scrutiny.

  334. June 11, 2013 4:40 pm

    “What do you think a progressive government would look like?”

    If I ever see one, I’ll be sure & point them out. 😉

  335. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 4:53 pm

    Gary Gray for PM

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2013 5:00 pm

    Hilarious!

    People at the bastion of free speech, CW, are bothered because comments are being deleted, and bitter emails apparently exchanged.

    It seems that the trainee censor in chief, Patricia, has been deleting the wrong comments!

    Will it all turn nasty again, as the aging groupies compete for the attention of the aging blog boss?

    Do people there have any self respect? It would seem not if their regular opponent is scaper.

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2013 5:05 pm

    Egg, making Gary Gray leader might save one seat- his own. He’s completely unknown.

    It looks like they’ll stick with Gillard, which will make for entertaining viewing on 14 Sept.

  338. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 11, 2013 5:12 pm

    I think China have been caught, at least to some extent. It’s just that normal citizens have no real interest for State Snoopers, be they US or Chinese.

    But it’s a fact that future conflicts will be fought as much online as on the battlefield. It’s not that I like it, it’s just that I grudgingly accept it as a given. I don’t see why the US is the party (and Israel for that matter) that has to fight all these battles with their hands tied.

    Which isn’t to say I believe they should be given a blank cheque either.

  339. June 11, 2013 5:16 pm

    It goes beyond National Security.

    I am not a US citizen & they have no right to infringe me. Nor you, or any other foreigner.

  340. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2013 5:23 pm

    “However, who believes that any government is altruistic enough to not exploit the intrusion & collation far beyond just ‘National Security”?”

    No one with a brain. This is the perfect opportunity for clear thinkers of both sides to join in opposing a deeply disturbing government which has already way overstepped the mark, using the IRS to target conservatives, but not leftists.

    The biggest critics of PRISM are people like Glenn Beck: “The NSA patriot leaker is just yet another chance for America to regain her moral compass and set things right. No red or blue JUST TRUTH” and Michael Moore: “HERO OF THE YEAR”

    Rand Paul is trying to get a up a Supreme Court challenge, but a lot of people from the conservatives to the Washington establishment to Kos are completely confused.

  341. IPA address permalink
    June 11, 2013 5:30 pm

    “I’d have thought it violated libertarian principles too.”

    It does.

    “Most Americans generally think that politicians are untrustworthy. So why trust them with so much power? The evidence to date strongly suggests that they aren’t worthy of it.”

  342. egg permalink
    June 11, 2013 5:40 pm

    ‘He’s completely unknown.’

    But he’s not a faceless man, check out his CV.

  343. June 11, 2013 5:46 pm

    Yep, getting the IRS to deliberately target conservative groups was/is abhorrent! Intelligent people, regardless of ideological affiliation, should recognise the peril in tolerating such things.
    An incoming conservative government could exploit the same loopholes. No side stays in power indefinitely.
    I don’t think that it’s an affliction of just the Obama admin though. Wasn’t PRISM initiated under Bush? No matter, as IPA said, no government is to be trusted with such power.

    It really irks me though, the way the US admins feel free to meddle with the affairs of foreign nationals, and somehow think they’re occupying the moral highground as long as they’re not doing it to US citizens.
    Also, if US citizens really believe that they’re not under surveilance by their own government they are dense.

    When a US admin spouts lofty rhetoric about liberty & freedom, it is hollow. Some of their citizens do seem to get the principle though, and it’s these people who stand up to be counted on issues like this.
    It isn’t often that I find myself on the same page as Glenn Beck…although I’d have to look a bit closer at what he’s saying to properly concur; as he is a nutter, who likely adds his own twisted slant to most issues.

  344. June 11, 2013 5:54 pm

    The drone killing frenzy undertaken by this admin is also despicable. But, when Obama is gone, possibly replaced by a Republican POTUS, does anyone thing they’ll give up such a hands free tool of subjugation?
    It’s all about the US maintaining its monopolies, not so much about political partisanship within the US; except to the extent that each side, when not in power, will use it to beat the other lot over the head.

    Freedoms, once removed subversively, are rarely reinstated. It’s just too ‘useful’ & tempting for governments of all stripes to exploit them.

  345. June 11, 2013 6:35 pm

    “It seems that the trainee censor in chief, Patricia, has been deleting the wrong comments!”

    Comedy Gold! And “these people” expect to be taken seriously…!! LOL!

  346. June 11, 2013 7:48 pm

    l see you`lot` are talking about Snowden and Prism. Hold ya outrage, yanks have been recording our data since term-1 of gw-bush.

  347. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 12, 2013 12:40 pm

    Some calm perspective on the China Story………..

    The Commodity Ivestment Boom is over but the Income Phase is about to kick in for us. And a lower $AUD would be very helpful indeed.

    “……………The urbanisation that has marked the past couple of decades is continuing unabated – another 300 million people or so will move into cities over the next 15 years. In terms of housing people, China is building Europe. Again. And the bigger infrastructure build to handle that rolls on.

    A recent ANZ Bank presentation slide summarised some of the highlights: one million kilometres of new road, 28,000 kilometres of metro rail, 170 mass transit systems (twice the number that all of Europe has today), 97 new airports and energy demand more than doubling.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/china/strong-and-steady-china–get-used-to-it-20130612-2o39k.html#ixzz2VxwALhUh

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