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Rostrum: Special Property Guide Edition!

June 13, 2013

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Brought to us by real estate guru – Catching Up!

This week Catching Up provides an in-depth analysis of the fledgling Canberra property market and attributes this to the incoming Abbott government….

Michael, do you have any idea why house prices are continuing to fall in Canberra…?

Could it be that they are getting in before there is a Abbott government….?

This seem to be the reason Rudd put his mansion on sale. The mansion bought with money, his wife earned from the action of the Howard government, deposing of the CES. (not saying Therese is crooked. She just took advantage of Howard’s generosity)

Has that action ever had any research into it, to judge how well the replacement system work. Not too well, if the anecdotal feedback one gets from the unemployed, force to use. 

 

 

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  1. June 13, 2013 3:54 pm

    Well, if you’re gonna take property advice, you may as well take it from the best.

    For the next open thread, maybe feature the scaper fucktard offering the unbridled lifestyle which may only be found at the much sought after vacant blocks of Crapperville.

  2. el gordo permalink
    June 13, 2013 3:59 pm

    Apparently there is some troof in the rumour that a bubble has developed.

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/06/hockey-sell-canberra-housing/

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2013 4:08 pm

    The pop of the bursting bubble is the sound of people leaving town and getting a life.

  4. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2013 5:19 pm

    So Catching Up has left the government bond trading to amateurs like George Soros and now threatens the Meriton empire of Harry Triguboff

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2013 6:27 pm

    Incisive political and economic analysis as always.

    These disciplines always been strong, though I recently experienced her aviation safety expertise too. Remarkable.

  6. egg permalink
    June 13, 2013 7:12 pm

    CU is versatile, with a wealth of experience. She once berated me for my small business ignorance… sigh…

  7. June 13, 2013 7:28 pm

    And now, she’s hit the front page, with profuse wisdom!

    You should feel requisitely miniscule, el goro.

  8. egg permalink
    June 14, 2013 8:28 am

    Fairfax hate media will soon get a boost as Chisholm advises Gina to buy.

  9. June 14, 2013 9:12 am

    There’ll be quite a few more public servants leaving should Phoney & his NO Coalition get up in September!

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2013 12:16 pm

    Canberra is an up market Crapperville, full of oddballs and blow-ins, it’s a town without culture or context. Blow flies should be the territory emblem.

    Property should sensibly be valued at about $1000/acre. If it’s above this, there’s a bubble that’s about to burst.

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2013 12:37 pm

    “There’ll be quite a few more public servants leaving should Phoney & his NO Coalition get up in September!”

    Excellent!

  12. June 14, 2013 1:34 pm

    This is a good read…(or at least the header image is anyway)..

    http://yathink.com.au/article-display/ffsf-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people,77#.Uboybi6l_h0.twitter

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2013 2:09 pm

    Liberal links to anti-wind farm fight multiply:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/06/14/liberal-links-to-anti-wind-farm-fight-multiply/

    …Yesterday, The Guardian Australia reported that Maurice Newman, who will head the Coalition’s Business Advisory Council in the event of a Coalition victory on September 14, vowed he would agitate to scrap the bipartisan Renewable Energy Target (RET), which mandates 20% of renewable energy by 2020. Newman is a former chairman of the ABC and the Australian Securities Exchange. He is a climate change sceptic and is a long-time supporter of anti-wind farm campaigns. In April, Newman hosted a meeting of anti-wind farm group the Crookwell District Landscape Guardians, where he warned the Coalition might not bend to his demands.

    An anonymous website, Stop These Things.com, registered to a Texan web domain rental operation, has recently cropped up to plug the rally, which will likely be attended by anti-abortion Senator John Madigan, climate change sceptic and soon-to-be-former Senator Ron Boswell, soon-to-be-former Liberal MP Alby Schultz, Liberal Senator Chris Back and Hughes MP Craig Kelly, who told federal Parliament in 2011 that drinking chardonnay was one answer to global warming. Shock jock Alan Jones will serve as master of ceremonies…

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2013 2:44 pm

    Great news KL. Windfarms are expensive, useless bird killers and a health hazard. Sadly most have locked-in contracts to sell electricity at ridiculous prices jacking up everyone’s power bill. They serve as religious statuary, grotesq

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 14, 2013 2:46 pm

    …grotesque idols to the god of Gaia-worshipping religious fanatics.

  16. egg permalink
    June 14, 2013 2:55 pm

    ‘Maurice Newman, who will head the Coalition’s Business Advisory Council in the event of a Coalition victory on September 14…’

    It certainly is good news, wind farms are crap.

  17. June 14, 2013 4:36 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Howard Sattler has been sacked from 6PR…

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 5:07 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Howard Sattler has been sacked from 6PR…

    Is that like being banned from a blog?

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 5:10 pm

    Windfarms are expensive, useless bird killers and a health hazard.

    Sounds like a Liberal Party rally …

    Sadly most have locked-in contracts to sell electricity at ridiculous prices jacking up everyone’s power bill. They serve as religious statuary, grotesq

    You could always buy candles and a wood stove … 🙂

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 5:11 pm

    Newman? Now where have I heard that name before?

  21. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 14, 2013 5:24 pm

    Word is something’s about to blow….

    But I keep hearing that word and nothing blows…

    One day it will blow and you’ll have heard it first from Sancty.

  22. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2013 5:31 pm

    “Word is something’s about to blow….”

    Probably just another circle jerk at some new posting over at another blogsite

  23. June 14, 2013 5:44 pm

    “Word is something’s about to blow….”

    Andrew’s still up!? 😯

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 6:12 pm

    This IS Rostrum

    Proud Granda!

    My favourite grand-daughter (“you’ve only got one Granda!”, she says) has been playing the flute for three/four years now and was selected for a music “camp” by audition … along with 145 kids from 35 schools …

    … we were invited to the finale concert this pm …

    WOW! What talented children this country has (actually the Northside of Brisbane!)… and I might add, from every racial background you can think of … wonderful!

    As a muso I was blown away, although my g/daughter plays in the wind section (obviously) and performed in two orchestras and the choir … the second performance from the string orchestra, was absolute magic … raised goosepimples*!

    BTW these kids were all from primary school …

    (NOTE: I know how difficult it is to get a FOUR piece band to play together!)

    STOKED!

    *We have no control over this human phenomena … and when I get ’em with music, I just KNOW its fkn good!

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 6:20 pm

    WTF!

    6PR general manager Martin Boylen made the announcement on-air this afternoon at 2.30pm.

    June 14, 2013 4:36 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Howard Sattler has been sacked from 6PR…</i.

    So where were you for two fkn hours, sreb! Long lunches in Melbourne! Tut tut tut …

    When was the news posted at CW, I wonder?

  26. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 14, 2013 6:26 pm

    Andrew’s still up!?

    I beat Andrew by 12 hours on the defection thanks.

  27. June 14, 2013 6:28 pm

    😉 🙂

  28. June 14, 2013 6:31 pm

    Onya, TB!

    I’m sitting here listening to my daughter practice piano, right now.

    She has a very broad range of musical influences. Quite possibly, is more familiar with brutal music than any other girl her age in Australia. 😆 …doesn’t want to come with me to Cattle Decapitation tomorrow night though. *guffaw

  29. June 14, 2013 6:32 pm

    I have to keep telling her to sit up straight while she plays. She really hates it when I do that!

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 6:41 pm

    Toillette, re sitting! DON’T STOP! my g/daughter sits bolt upright … then it dawned on me … so does, The Minister, nine years ballet training! And then she met me!

    Story … at the time she was living with her sister and brother in law … she worked full time, studied ballet and went out with me … he said three is too much, one has to go … lucky me — she chose ballet!

  31. June 14, 2013 6:47 pm

    I’m the posture nazi, TB!

    I won’t stop. Slouching looks lazy & undisciplined, particularly in a teenage girl. More importantly, if she’s gonna play piano, as she has for many years now, she’s gonna play it properly.

  32. June 14, 2013 6:53 pm

    “nine years ballet training! And then she met me!”

    So your ballet training paid off, good to hear! 😆

  33. egg permalink
    June 14, 2013 6:59 pm

    ‘I beat Andrew by 12 hours on the defection thanks.’

    Well done scoop.

    The free radical MP is supposedly a Queenslander and he’ll call for a spill on Tuesday. This gives us plenty of time to speculate.

  34. Hummmph permalink
    June 14, 2013 7:03 pm

    Not whyalla wipeout super star, surely 😮

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 7:11 pm

    So your ballet training paid off, good to hear!

    You wish, willy wanker! 😉

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 7:18 pm

    I’m the posture nazi, TB!</i.

    And do not stop, Adolf! When they reach 30+ they suddenly say things like , thanks, Dad, I didn't get it then ….

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2013 7:20 pm

    Well done scoop.

    Well enlighten the rest of us SCOOP?

  38. India Pale Ale permalink
    June 14, 2013 7:48 pm

    Andrew’s been on his high horse about Sattler. Free speech my arse.

  39. egg permalink
    June 14, 2013 7:55 pm

    A friend, well versed in astrology, assures me that Julia will see off any attempt to unseat her next Tuesday.

    Then has the audacity to say Labor will win the unwinnable election with Julia at the helm.

    … codswallop…

  40. June 14, 2013 8:07 pm

    ” Howard Sattler has been sacked from 6PR ”
    sorry egg
    l had a snip at you yesterday, l hadn`t seen the nooze.
    l thought you were doing your standard reporting (making_shit_up) but l found out on tonites nooze sattler actually crapped on about Tim sexuality on-air to Joolya.
    0nce again, sorry egg.
    *
    TB
    congrats on grand-daughters music concert,
    good to see some talent develop

  41. June 14, 2013 8:09 pm

    I’m really looking forward to this…

    Stay tuned for my 30 second review next weekend…. 🙂

  42. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 14, 2013 8:09 pm

    Don’t know. Just passing it on as I hear it. Married bloke whose wife has had a gutful of union threats as I understand it. Queenslander. Leaves it to only a couple of options.

  43. egg permalink
    June 14, 2013 8:15 pm

    Elaborating further, it has something to do with Jupiter moving into her first house and I argued it doesn’t necessarily mean she’ll retain the big seat after Tuesday.

    The ex-PM may get a lucrative offer for her memoirs and be universally admired as a heroine, a victim of hate media.

    …bunkum…

  44. June 14, 2013 8:18 pm

    dunny_ ” More importantly, if she’s gonna play piano, as she has for many years now, she’s gonna play it properly. ”
    *
    so Dunny, when you say `play it properly`, is that
    play it properly like Jerry Lee Lewis or, play it properly like Harry Conick Jr.?

  45. June 14, 2013 8:29 pm

    Do they both sit up straight?

    If so, both of them. 😉

  46. June 14, 2013 8:34 pm

    “Andrew’s been on his high horse about Sattler. Free speech my arse.”

    Andrew’s never gets off of his high horse.

    His idea of free speech, despite his equivocating in updates about Sattler, varies inversely with how he reacts to the individual doing the speaking & how synonymous he feels about what they’re saying.

    Andrew is a token libertarian, not a genuine one.

  47. June 14, 2013 8:35 pm

    * unnecessary apostrophe & ‘s’

  48. June 14, 2013 8:40 pm

    yeah reb
    http://yathink.com.au/article-display/ffsf-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you-people,77
    Noely`s reaction is the common reaction of more people than not,
    don`t count your teabags prematurely

  49. June 14, 2013 8:57 pm

    It’s good to see all the palpable outrage at teh cafe about the Gillard govt leaving the bodies of asylum seekers to decay in the ocean after a failed rescue attempt…

    You could imagine the screaming banshees if it was the Howard govt, but because it’s under Gillard’s watch all you hear is…

    *crickets*

  50. egg permalink
    June 14, 2013 9:18 pm

    ‘0nce again, sorry egg.’

    That’s ok.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2013 9:28 pm

    Yes TJ …Tom R at CW – Ask yomm.
    Oh, right

    He really is a bullshit artist. People that bullshit non stop opt out of GT, because they finish up being (correctly) called bullshit artists.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2013 9:30 pm

    I really think winter is an ideal season here in Melbourne, hearty meals at the local Italian, with a sensational 2002 cab sav.

  53. June 14, 2013 9:35 pm

    *crickets*
    reb `recovery` is 2nd priority, `rescue` is 1st priority,
    this is standard across all emergency-type services/training/practice as much a l like to head-kick politicians, l doubt we can on this, l suspect `military` will also have the same priority protocols TB.?

  54. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2013 9:53 pm

    “……“nine years ballet training! And then she met me!”……”

    There was a rather interesting ballet in Melbourne recently. I think ToM was taking Fifi to it

  55. outlander permalink
    June 14, 2013 10:03 pm

    Meanwhile here in SA protective services were seen patting down children for sandwiches.
    The PM was reported to look a little larger around the midrift than normal and is suspected to have worn a sandwich proof jacket. The day went with out major incident and the PM was overheard later in the day as saying “of all the things in my Prime Ministership that I regreted wearing that sandwich proof jacket”.

  56. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2013 10:10 pm

    LOL

  57. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2013 10:13 pm

    If they do change to Rudd they might save some seats but what guarantee if they did win the election that they won’t change him for someone easier to get along with…after the election…. ……..

    Ummmmmmmmmmmm………

    Like Julia Gillard

  58. Hummmph permalink
    June 14, 2013 10:20 pm

    What, and have another three years of carry on Prime minister, perish the thought.

  59. June 14, 2013 10:36 pm

    outlander_ ” sandwich proof jacket ‘ ‘
    after all those computers and school-halls, we find out,
    school-kids really need a sandwich cannon
    *
    Hummmph_’ ‘ another three years of carry on Prime minister,’ ‘
    expect the unexpected, as far as election results go Hummmph,
    there will be many seats changing this time around,
    the embedded media are not telling the public the truth in so many ways and are even less trusted than the pollies, public may `backlash` against all the media lobbying

  60. Hummmph permalink
    June 14, 2013 10:44 pm

    7.30,
    I know what you mean, politics is a surprise a minute, life is stranger than fiction.

  61. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2013 11:01 pm

    Oh I forgot to mention

    Had to venture into the City today with the Mrs.

    94 blue tied scumbag sexists were counted.

    Outrageous !

  62. June 14, 2013 11:15 pm

    Hummph_ ‘ ‘ politics is a surprise a minute, life is stranger than fiction.’ ‘
    there has been a lot of premature electulation over these 3-years Hummph

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2013 11:22 pm

    Fifi is hedging against the fall in the $A by stocking up on French champagne. Apparently we’re saving money, and have enough for about 5 normal lifetimes.

    That should last Fifi and Lulu about 18 months.

  64. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 14, 2013 11:24 pm

    So Phil Coorey is sayin someone is going to “come out”this weekend.

    But it’s a Rudd supporter……useless

    Abbott will come out in support of Gillard shortly.

    He needs her……..LOL

  65. June 14, 2013 11:29 pm

    so what`s the nooze on palmers-pups and katters-kids bags`r`us`OSY..?
    how many seats.?

  66. Hummmph permalink
    June 14, 2013 11:30 pm

    After campaigning in Reid, another marginal Sydney seat, the local MP John Murphy called on Ms Gillard to stand down for Mr Rudd.

    “I have no doubt Kevin Rudd will win the next election, not just save the furniture by limiting a big defeat,” he told The Weekend Australian.

    From the daily tele

  67. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:08 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/frauds-granted-refugee-status-as-determination-process-breaks-down/story-fn59niix-1226664169170

    What? You are guys are following are example in using an ad-hock immigration program; via the UN as a legal authority and calling these economic immigrants “refugees”…What a fraud indeed…Where are the bleeding hearts on this one?

  68. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:14 am

    “I believe that Australia should be assisting people in overseas refugee situations through financial, logistical and diplomatic assistance but we cannot solve these situations by the unrestricted entry of people, most of whom are not from the most disadvantaged strata of their societies,” the former immigration official wrote.

    He also concluded that “literally millions” of people could successfully claim asylum in Australia if they could get here, if the refugee convention were interpreted the way the UN says it should be.”

    Hilarious…I have been saying this for years while listening to the genius of those at CW tell me it had nothing to do with “pull factors”…Ok so everybody knows this is mostly a fraudulent process going on now say for the truly delusional but what will be done about it? NOTHING…Labor needs voters and the Liberals need cheep unskilled labor…Same story here…Yawn

    Just the average citizen getting screwed by his/her government and elected officials…

  69. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 8:40 am

    Sparta, the electorate expects a return to normalcy once the conservatives regain the Treasury Benches. Abbott and Co have no intention of using asylum seekers as cheap labour, as is the case in the US.

    ‘It is not that the system is run by bad people, certainly not by corrupt people. But the system is so loosely designed, so completely open to manipulation by asylum-seekers, people-smugglers and community groups emotionally committed to asylum-seekers, and then interacts inappropriately with the Australian legal system, that it has become a multi-billion-dollar joke that is more or less completely worthless.’

    Greg Sheridan in the Oz

  70. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 9:03 am

    “We don’t tell MPs how to vote. We don’t do that.”

    Paul Howes

    ….guffaw…

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 9:56 am

    People that bullshit non stop opt out of GT, because they finish up being (correctly) called bullshit artists.

    LOL! But, but you’re still here, ToM!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    007, thanks re g/daughter – I really did have a ball!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sreb, I’m looking forward to that review! I really dislike zombie shite … but … this one looks really good on the trailers … (and i’m not a real fan of Mr Pitt either) … just don’t want to waste our last Gold Class free tickets … 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see Sparta’s back telling us what we should do and how badly run Oz is … I would have thought that there was far more to deal with in the land of the bald eagle, than here … or maybe he thinks the good ol’ US of A is beyond anyone’s help … still, give it a decade and Sharia law will fix up all the decadence and BS … 😆

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2013 10:24 am

    Isn’t that big of Howes – telling ALP MPs that they’re able to exercise their free will about who leads them, without him telling them.

    That he’s able to release elected MPs from an obligation to follow the direction of a non elected union hack, says plenty about the state of the ALP.

  73. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 10:45 am

    “Definitions vary, but broadly speaking, libertarianism is the idea that people should be as free as possible from state coercion so long as they don’t harm anyone. The job of the state is limited to fighting crime, providing for the common defense, and protecting the rights and contracts of citizens. The individual is sovereign; he is the captain of himself …

    “The only truly new political idea in the last couple thousand years is this libertarian idea, broadly understood. The revolution wrought by John Locke, Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, and the Founding Fathers is the only real revolution going. And it’s still unfolding.”

  74. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 10:54 am

    ‘…still, give it a decade and Sharia law will fix up all the decadence and BS … ‘

    Sharia finance, interest-free banking, is becoming popular throughout the Western world.

  75. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 12:03 pm

    “Each night since the police first entered Taksim Square, in neighbourhoods across Istanbul, including my own, the sound of a spoon rhythmically beating a saucepan begins. Within minutes people appear at their windows or on their balconies, holding a pot, frypan or baking tray, sounding their support for the protesters and their frustration with the ruling government. Others flick their apartment lights on and off, blow whistles, or clap their hands while passing cars ceaselessly blast their horns.

    “At first it was one or two tapping residents per apartment block, but as the protests continued with no sign from Prime Minister Erdoğan that he would listen to the demands for change, the number of people joining the chorus has grown substantially with every night.”

    Everyday I’m chapulling: life in Turkey during the uprising

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 12:15 pm

    Visited a friend the other night to wish her happy birthday, her Mum had bought her a joke book …

    How do you get a nun pregnant?

    I’ll be back in ten minutes with the answer …

  77. Istanbul Penguin Association permalink
    June 15, 2013 12:18 pm

    ‘Turkish mainstream television stations themselves handed the protesters ammunition for ridicule by their timid reporting at the start of the unrest, with one broadcasting a documentary about penguins instead of covering the crisis as it broke.

    ‘That drove “penguin” along with “chapulling” up the list of Turkish users’ favorite buzz words.

    ‘Some youngsters have been wearing T-shirts inscribed: “We are all penguins.”’

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 12:51 pm

    Make her an alter boy

  79. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 12:57 pm

    FU, just for the record, most of us are still banned at CW and AIMN . Do you have an opinion on this?

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2013 1:09 pm

    Definitions vary, but broadly speaking, libertarianism is the idea that people should be as free as possible from state coercion so long as they don’t harm anyone.

    I prefer the more direct definition…“anarchy for the wealthy”

    Liberated from Libertarianism: How’s that whole deregulatey depressiony thing working out for ya?:
    http://ukiahcommunityblog.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/liberated-from-libertarianism-hows-that-whole-deregulatey-depressiony-thing-working-out-for-you/

    …But, really, what do you care, anyhow? Your water is polluted because anyone can dump anything into it they want. Ditto with your filthy air. And global warming is about to take out all the living things on the planet, anyhow. We will be quite free to die, thanks to libertarianism. Well, all is not lost. At least you can walk down to your local dining establishment and have a nice meal without having to fear the presence of darkies or queers in the same room with you. That pretty much makes it all worth it, no?

    We could go on and on from here, but why bother? The point is made. The problem with libertarianism is that it is a child’s candy store fantasy. Lots of sugar, no nutritional value. It’s the Mel Gibson (“Freeeee-dom!!”) of political ideologies. The ugly truth is that we hominids are social animals, not atomistic asteroids, each flying through space in our own little orbit. At the end of the day, the simultaneous great delight and awful curse of our humanness is, ultimately, each other…

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2013 1:29 pm

    Sparta, the electorate expects a return to normalcy once the conservatives regain the Treasury Benches. Abbott and Co have no intention of using asylum seekers as cheap labour, as is the case in the US.

    The return of ‘normalcy’ being men in charge of everything, just the way it should be. Once that happens the warrior sexists will no longer be fearful and threatened, everyone is happy again, world order is maintained. You can go home and thump the table again, head held high. Those uppity wimmins are back in their boxes [and tits, bums, thighs]…all that will be left to worry about is those dreadful muslims *wetspants*.

    Economy…treasury? Oh, well there was nothing wrong with that all along, but the boys have to be in charge of it, they have their own networks and profit systems for each other …and the country.

  82. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:01 pm

    Hmmm….

  83. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:18 pm

    AO: I prefer the more direct definition…“anarchy for the wealthy”

    “Suppose you bought a house and had a fat mortgage outstanding on it. Now the guy who owns the plot next door decides to build an abattoir on his land. You can’t live in your house anymore because of the nauseating, permeating, stink. You also can’t sell it, because no one else wants to live there either. And you’re still stuck paying the mortgage, probably plunging you into bankruptcy since you’re now also paying rent to live somewhere else. Why did all this happen? Because you voted for that libertarian city council, and they threw out all the zoning laws on the books, preferring maximum freedom for use of private property instead. Aren’t you thrilled about how that worked out?

    “So you pack all your belongings in your car and decide to drive away. But you turn around after going just a couple of miles, because everybody drives on any side of the road they want to, whenever they want to, and it’s scary dangerous out there. Why? Because the libertarian state government you elected – true to its principles – eliminated all such driving laws as the restrictions on personal freedom they truly are.”

    Whoever wrote that load of rubbish is using a strawman argument – that libertarianism advocates a society with no government and no laws.

    “The basis for legitimate interventionism is explained with reference to ‘neighbourhood effects’, in a negative sense, as a label for the impact of individual actions on a locality (or any general group of individuals), where it is very difficult to work out how everyone affected could be individually compensated through the law courts … Pollution is an obvious example for Friedman of negative ‘neighbourhood effects’.”

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:19 pm

    I do enjoy reading KL’s posts … 🙂

  85. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:28 pm

    Paul Toohey on the Ruddster…

    ‘SELF-CERTAIN, intolerant, dismissive, good with ordinary people but reclusive from his own parliamentary caucus, Kevin Rudd was the closest thing to a little dictator we’ve had in modern times. Sometimes, a dictator can fit the times.’

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/the-trouble-with-being-kevin-rudd/story-fnho52qo-1226664160314#ixzz2WFu8ONfE

    Popular with the masses, but feared and hated by his political associates and bureaucracy. He might be our charismatic leader.

  86. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:29 pm

    Apparently I’ve been spammed.

  87. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:34 pm

    Is that like a half banning until you conform?

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:38 pm

    That was a good read by Paul Toohey EGG. This was also good

    “How many times will the Prime Minister and the various Immigration and Home Affairs ministers claim that they are “sending a message” on the boats as yet another boatload drowns?

    The cue, here, is to blame the Coalition for not agreeing to Labor’s only self-generated asylum plan (apart from the East Timor debacle): the Malaysia Solution, a human-skin trade with a dodgy regional government that never added up.

    Rudd is to blame for the current asylum problem after he abolished temporary protection visas. If he were to re-emerge as Lazarus with a cadaveric aortic valve replacement, this would be a key point of Coalition attack.”

  89. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:41 pm

    The Foreign Minister will be a chick.

    Just saying…

  90. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:42 pm

    Wonder if Kittylitter has read today’s NT News?

  91. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:49 pm

    What’s an alter boy? 😯

  92. Hummmph permalink
    June 15, 2013 2:51 pm

    Apparently according to Emmersen there is no leadership issues, so I think the PM should go on insiders tomorrow and set Barry straight, after all he really stirred the pot last week.

  93. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 3:23 pm

    “The Australian Manufacturing Workers Union vehicles division says it is open to negotiations over wages and conditions to help Holden keep making cars in Australia — but stopped short of volunteering its workers take a pay cut …The average hourly wage for auto workers in Thailand and Indonesia is about $7.50, compared to about $50 an hour for Australian auto workers when all taxes, superannuation and other benefits are calculated. An Australian car manufacturer source says factory worker wages account for up to 65 per cent of a vehicle’s manufacturing cost.”

  94. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 3:37 pm

    If a vehicle costs $20,000 to build in Australia, and 65% – or $13,000 – of that is factory worker wages (at $50 an hour), then, theoretically, assuming all other costs are the same, that car could be built in Thailand (where wages are $7.50 ph) for $8,950. Of course there are currency fluctuations and shipping costs to take into account, but it’s obvious that Australian car manufacturing can’t compete.

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 4:06 pm

    What’s an alter boy?

    Well when you make a nun an altar boy you alter them, silly ToSy 🙂

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 4:09 pm

    … but it’s obvious that Australian car manufacturing can’t compete….

    … some of us have known that for decades, ToSY, welcome to the club … but we are better at many other things than our Asian neighbours … we should stick to our unique expertise areas …

  97. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 4:51 pm

    Since my response to AO’s link – containing strawmen arguments against libertarianism – is still in the spaminator, I’ll put this bit up for now …

    “The basis for legitimate interventionism is explained with reference to ‘neighbourhood effects’, in a negative sense, as a label for the impact of individual actions on a locality (or any general group of individuals), where it is very difficult to work out how everyone affected could be individually compensated through the law court … Pollution is an obvious example for Friedman of negative ‘neighbourhood effects’”

  98. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 4:52 pm

    Spaminated again. I give up. 🙄

  99. June 15, 2013 4:57 pm

    I’ve freed your comments from the spaminator…

  100. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:00 pm

    Thanks. 😉

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:00 pm

    I would have left in the spaminator until it made sense … its almost like reading a post from our resident CPA* when he gets going …

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:07 pm

    I think Australians govts want the car industry to stay because it is a security issue. I guess the thought is we need to make some things here in case another war happens.

    Germany and the US make cars. They seem to be able to compete with Thailand. I will admit i was upset when i saw that production line workers at Ford are on 94K/year. That seems to imply they are getting more money than they would in a similar job because of Union muscle.

  103. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:11 pm

    “I think my colleagues understand that voters are responding to Kevin.

    “We have a duty to do what is best for the ALP, the people’s party, and stop Tony Abbott becoming Prime Minister.”

    John Murphy MP (Reid)

  104. IPA permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:12 pm

    “I would have left in the spaminator until it made sense”

    Yes, well, the first two paragraphs were quoted from the tripe AO linked. And I agree, they don’t make sense. 😉

  105. Hummmph permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:39 pm

    “We have a duty to do what is best for the ALP,
    And ourselves, every man for themselves, this boat is sinking.

    “We have a duty to do what is best for the ALP,
    And if I go, I’m taking as many with me as I can.

    Take your pick.

  106. Meta permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:49 pm

    (What kind of tripe would a suitably qualified neighbour feast upon?)

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:54 pm

    I guess the thought is we need to make some things here in case another war happens.

    You do read some of my posts then, Kneel … 😯

    Apart from the ability to shift into manufacturing weapons of war if needed … (many older people are aware of the USA’s {rotten} Lend Lease Program at the beginning of WWII) … Australia’s economy is “driven” (I luv puns) by the sale of cars and houses … pity politicians don’t understand any of that …

    … unless your family happens to be involved in development … as Noddy Newman’s is … then you close schools so that you can build more … and kick pensioners out of their state accommodation and caravan parks so that they can be redeveloped … oh and build a new government Taj Mahal when the state has no money … according to Tip Custard the world’d dumbest Treasurer …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes, well, the first two paragraphs were quoted from the tripe AO linked. And I agree, they don’t make sense.

    Yer bein’ silly again, ToSY … I look for the ” – – – ” 😉 Ye don’t actually write much yersel’ …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 5:55 pm

    You are clever bugger, M … you don’t say much either … but your links have a bit more meaning … 😉

  109. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 6:00 pm

    On seeing the strawman I blushed.

  110. I'm Permanently Affronted permalink
    June 15, 2013 6:16 pm

    “Ye don’t actually write much yersel’ …”

    Sorry TB, but thousand word essays and life stories aren’t my thing. 😉 Personally, I try to keep it brief. But I suppose, reduced to its absurd conclusion, if using few words is good, then saying nothing is best. 😯

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 6:31 pm

    Can’t argue with that old mate … I do appreciate your posts …

    … 1000 words! GMAFB actually studied uni as a distance ed student! And counted every fkn one! 😆

    Copy and paste is akin to plagiarism to distance ed learners doing an in-service degree … I had to relay my field experiences (in HRD) and equate it to current text …

    … half way through I realised that I was educating my supervisors!

    … too late … but the best qual I have …

    … as you know (I know you keep records) something like 12 of us graduated from an original 60 … what a loss …

    … and the program was gender balanced too (ie 50/50) … most drop outs were male … 😦

  112. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 7:19 pm

    ‘Personally, I try to keep it brief.’

    Me too… brevity, brevity, all is brevity.

  113. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 7:26 pm

    We might be in for another financial shock, a tightening of the US dollar by slowing down the presses, could see a flight of capital from China to the US.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2013 7:32 pm

    Me too… brevity, brevity, all is brevity.

    Did you mean …”me too?”

    egg, how long have I been saying this GFC is NOT over … history (eg 1930 … ) tells us so …,

  115. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 7:43 pm

    Not sure TB, the mix is different.

    Capitalism is new to China, only recently they were concerned about a property bubble and now there is fear of the opposite.

  116. egg permalink
    June 15, 2013 9:18 pm

    The Gillard guvmint is popular in Beijing and I expect Abbott to continue in the same vein.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2013-06/15/content_16624453.htm

  117. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 15, 2013 11:33 pm

    Please please please keep Julia

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2013 12:27 am

    …The average hourly wage for auto workers in Thailand and Indonesia is about $7.50, compared to about $50 an hour for Australian auto workers when all taxes, superannuation and other benefits are calculated.

    Wonder how much the average CEO and managers are paid in thailand and indonesia. Maybe there could be a few million trimmed from the budget of upper management. Funny how when making these comparisons, it is always the workers expected to bear the brunt, management wages and conditions are never mentioned.

    I’ve freed your comments from the spaminator…

    Three times and I still don’t know what he’s on about 🙂 I’m hazarding a guess that it’s something like government legislation is OK as long as it protects the interests of property owners and private wealth, public policy, looking after others is verboten…oh and mememememememe and me!

    http://www.salon.com/2011/08/30/lind_libertariansim/

    The experience of every modern democratic nation-state proves that libertarianism is incompatible with democracy

    The Pinochet dictatorship was admired by the right in the U.S. and Britain for turning Chile’s economic policy over to disciples of Milton Friedman and the University of Chicago, who inflicted disastrous social experiments like the privatization of social security on Chile’s repressed population. Following the libertarian reforms, the Chilean economy collapsed in 1982, forcing the nationalization of the banking system and government intervention in industry.

    Me too… brevity, brevity, all is brevity.

    Yep, except your faeces covering all the walls of the back room, mock that assertion.

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2013 12:30 am

    sorry, the me too…brevity para is in reply to scrambledegg

  120. IPA permalink
    June 16, 2013 8:50 am

    “Je n’ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n’ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte” (I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time) ~ Blaise Pascal

  121. egg permalink
    June 16, 2013 9:52 am

    ‘Yep, except your faeces covering all the walls of the back room, mock that assertion.’

    Kitty has come out, she ain’t no lady.

    ————-

    ‘Please please please keep Julia’

    Half of Liberal voters want to keep jools in the big chair… can’t risk another hung parliament under Kev.

  122. egg permalink
    June 16, 2013 10:25 am

    ‘Former NSW premier Kristina Keneally didn’t want to get dragged into the sexism debate, but then an envelope arrived in the mail. It was addressed to ”The Approving Socialist Slut at Basketball Australia”.

    ‘She gave a sigh of exasperation and tweeted a photo of the offending item, sent by someone upset with a planning decision she once made.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/brutal-edge-of-sexism-revealed-20130615-2ob23.html#ixzz2WKmXU5QC

  123. egg permalink
    June 16, 2013 10:36 am

    Milne is hoping for a Rudd resurrection and another hung parliament.

    “The vibe is certainly there and even people in the Labor Party are saying it’s being seriously discussed,” she said.

    “So who knows what will happen?”

  124. egg permalink
    June 16, 2013 11:12 am

    ‘Pakistan has the highest volume of internet searches for gay pornography despite being one of the least tolerant countries when it comes to homosexuality.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342217/Pakistan-internet-users-Google-searches-gay-sex-despite-worlds-homophobic-countries.html#ixzz2WKxzSWkX
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 16, 2013 12:11 pm

    A hung parliament with Rudd as PM would be interesting.

  126. egg permalink
    June 16, 2013 1:00 pm

    Perish the thought.

  127. Hummmph permalink
    June 16, 2013 1:06 pm

    Sounds like the greens wouldn’t mind another hung parliament, they get to keep some authority.

  128. egg permalink
    June 16, 2013 2:25 pm

    They are about to lose their relevance, which is making them nervous.

  129. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2013 10:18 pm

    Neilsen Poll is out.

    ALP primary is 29% DOWN 3%

    Did you hear that ………..?

    DOWN 3% on their last poll.

    So “fat fried quail thighs ” is a good campaign slogan

  130. IPAddress permalink
    June 16, 2013 10:33 pm

    ‘Julia Gillard’s venture into the so-called ”gender wars” has been an unmitigated disaster with the voting public. The latest Fairfax-Nielsen poll shows she has won her government no new support among women … “She has alienated men and left women unmoved,” summarised Nielsen’s John Stirton.’

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/politics/pms-cynical-ploy-fails-to-win-voters-20130616-2ocev.html

  131. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2013 10:51 pm

    Yep IPA

    All summed up by this line alone

    “…..She misjudged the electorate. Thinking the people stupid, prejudiced and exploitable, she made a blatant effort to manipulate voters by dividing them. “

  132. Hummmph permalink
    June 16, 2013 11:28 pm

    As a chick, I thought her blue tie speech was a desperate attempt to not just stir up female voters, but it was also a warning to her own side. I feel she must know that voters no longer take much notice of her, so why she won’t stand aside and give her other labor members a chance just has me baffled.
    Even after the election which ever way it goes, it’s hard to imagine labor letting bygones be bygones, so will anything change, even if labor somehow won in September.

  133. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 7:40 am

    I fully expect Kevin’s return to the Labor leadership after the election.

  134. IPA permalink
    June 17, 2013 11:13 am

    “Still in their experimental stage, the balloons were the first of thousands that Google’s leaders eventually hope to launch 12 miles into the stratosphere in order to bridge the gaping digital divide between the world’s 4.8 billion unwired people and their 2.2 billion plugged-in counterparts.

    “If successful, the technology might allow countries to leapfrog the expense of laying fiber cable, dramatically increasing Internet usage in places such as Africa and Southeast Asia.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/06/15/google-launches-internet-beaming-balloons/#ixzz2WQpA5dhr

  135. IPA permalink
    June 17, 2013 11:33 am

    “I will never be intimidated by the baying of Labor’s politically correct lickspittles who were ever so silent when this government was trying to muzzle the news media during its current term.”

  136. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 12:11 pm

    That’s a fabulous story on Project Loon …. Talcum should pick up on it and become even more popular.

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2013 3:10 pm

    If successful, the technology might allow countries to leapfrog the expense of laying fiber cable, dramatically increasing Internet usage in places such as Africa and Southeast Asia.

    LOL!

    Talcum should pick up on it and become even more popular.

    Why? How many times must it be said … wireless is slower than fibre …

    Each balloon would provide Internet service for an area twice the size of New York City, about 780 square miles, and terrain is not a challenge.

    And drop like a bomb if damaged …

    Airline pilots would love ’em too …

    … how many thousands of these dangerous fkn things are they planning for?

    Google chose the country in part because of its remoteness. Cassidy said in the next phase of the trial they hope to get up to 300 balloons forming a ring on the 40th parallel south from New Zealand through Australia, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Argentina.

    Mmmm … and they will maintain “station” how?

    When dreams meet reality!

  138. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 3:26 pm

    ‘Why? How many times must it be said … wireless is slower than fibre …’

    I did a quick google and you are correct, but the people in the bush wouldn’t mind an early fix. Its better than languishing for years with less.

  139. IPA permalink
    June 17, 2013 3:41 pm

    “Airline pilots would love ‘em too …”

    Probably, because at “12 miles into the stratosphere” they sure won’t be getting in their way. 😉

    .

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2013 3:49 pm

    “I did a quick google and you are correct, but the people in the bush wouldn’t mind an early fix. Its better than languishing for years with less.

    They may have had something already if Rudd did not win in 2007. The Coalition had signed contracts with Opel

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEL_Networks

    OPEL Networks Pty Limited was a telecommunications provider that was to establish wholesale broadband services in regional areas of Australia in the form of WiMAX and ADSL2+ via a network of DSLAMs. The network was also to include terrestrial and undersea backhaul. The project is now defunct.”

    The contract was signed before the 2007 election and Conroy said he would honour the contract if Labor won the election. But Conroy broke the contact.

    I don’t know enough about broadband to say if the Coalitions policy was a good or bad idea. But it surely could not be worse than what is occurring now. The NBN is proceeding at snails pace.

  141. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2013 4:46 pm

    There are millions of people waiting on the NBN, desperate for the opportunity to work from home (in India).

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2013 4:50 pm

    Are they the ones that ring me everyday from the Microsft Technical Unit to tell me my computer is broken?

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2013 4:57 pm

    With the NBN they will be your accountants, lawyers, doctors, management consultants, and pole dancers.

  144. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 5:05 pm

    Anyone want to talk about the viability of the Iron Boomerang Project, in light of the weakening demand for our resources?

  145. June 17, 2013 9:07 pm

    egg_ ” most of us are still banned at CW and AIMN . ”
    bullshit egg, just you, reb and yomm
    *
    Do you have an opinion on this?
    Probably a good idea.
    Too much Tea-Guzzling and Latte-Sipping can give you a gut ache.

  146. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 9:14 pm

    TB and toilet are self banners because of scaper, that nasty piece of work.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2013 9:32 pm

    No, when you have blogs run by zealots who get a kick out of censorship…

    Too much Tea-Guzzling and Latte-SippingALP crotch sniffing can give you a guthead ache

  148. June 17, 2013 9:33 pm

    Reblogged this on Life in Canberra.

  149. June 17, 2013 9:34 pm

    ‘ ‘ self banners ‘ ‘ ..?.. l think you mean
    ` ` harmlessly trace banned “

  150. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 9:41 pm

    “Sure it would be great to have a fast train between Nowra and Sydney but…”

    Tony Abbott

  151. egg permalink
    June 17, 2013 9:45 pm

    CU’s fame is rapidly spreading throughout the blogosphere… her insights and knowledge of just about everything is hard to contain.

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2013 9:50 pm

    Poor Miglo (yet again) suggests that some other intelligent contributor is me!

    What a strange, odd character he is. For the record, there is no longer any challenge in either of his blogs, so I wouldn’t even bother. So speculate away, it’s hilarious!

  153. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 17, 2013 10:37 pm

    So the cops raided Slater and Gordon over the weekend. Can’t be to nab Blewitt because he’s already waived privilege. Wilson didn’t have his name on anything.

    I wonder who it is they’re after? Media beatup my arse. More like a cover up.

    Prime Minister Cleavage is going to gaol.

  154. Hummmph permalink
    June 17, 2013 11:08 pm

    😯

  155. egg permalink
    June 18, 2013 8:43 am

    Talking of Rudd coming back…..

    ‘But to provide a credible reason for Labor’s lost voters to come back, he will need to make quick policy changes, as Napthine did. Dropping the carbon tax for the emissions trading scheme (ETS) he originally proposed should be easy; the carbon tax is essentially an ETS with a fixed price. He must come up with a novel idea to stem the flow of asylum seekers. And he must tackle the overvalued dollar.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-needs-new-policies-not-just-a-new-leader-20130617-2oebh.html#ixzz2WW3gslO0

  156. Istanbul Penguin permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:04 am

    “Recent events in Turkey ought remind us, if we needed reminding, that freedom and parliamentary democracy are not identical, though many people mistake the one for the other. But if by parliamentary democracy we mean merely government legitimated by a majority of the votes every few years, there is no reason why such democracy should not lead to tyranny. Indeed, a democratic tyranny may be among the most insidious, if not necessarily the worst, of tyrannies, for it possesses the simulacrum of a justification for its oppression, namely the will of the majority …

    “Nevertheless, it is not difficult to see – indeed, it is difficult not to see – the conflict between Mr Erdogan and the demonstrators as that between two quite different conceptions of society, the first religious and the second secular. No one knows quite how far Mr Erdogan wants to go with his Islamism: whether he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, or rather (as the demonstrators fear) a fanatic with a moderate face, or a true pluralist. It is even possible he does not know himself, that he has no blueprint that he is following, and that, like most politicians, he makes things up as he goes along in an attempt to hang on to power. But the auguries are not good … It is more likely that Mr Erdogan sees parliamentary democracy as the tool by which the will of the majority (incarnated, naturally enough, by himself) is imposed upon the minority. And since in Turkey the majority is clearly Islamic, Islamic mores should prevail.”

  157. IPA permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:11 am

    It’s central planning. What could possibly go wrong?

    “BEIJING — China is pushing ahead with a sweeping plan to move 250 million rural residents into newly constructed towns and cities over the next dozen years — a transformative event that could set off a new wave of growth or saddle the country with problems for generations to come.

    “The government, often by fiat, is replacing small rural homes with high-rises, paving over vast swaths of farmland and drastically altering the lives of rural dwellers. So large is the scale that the number of brand-new Chinese city dwellers will approach the total urban population of the United States — in a country already bursting with megacities.”

  158. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 11:09 am

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Indeed. Now where are my nappies?

  159. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 1:12 pm

    Well there goes that idea

    Any notion that Bob Hawke should be called in to act as a “circuit breaker” between Rudd and Gillard is not an option.

    He’s currently in Beijing apparently.

    I reckon the ALP is going to be stuck with Gillard now as she will not be at the next caucus meeting next Tuesday as she is attending Hazel Hawke’s memorial ceremony and any special meeting of caucus to allow a Rudd coup requires a special petition.

    Slowly but slowly the Rudd leadership ambitions ebb away

  160. Hummmph permalink
    June 18, 2013 1:33 pm

    According to SMH, Gillards jet can get her from meeting to funeral, so no need for her to miss either.
    Rumor has it that Tim and Gillard are no longer an item, so why is he staying in the lap of luxuary at tax payers expense ?

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2013 3:41 pm

    Just read this on news.com.au …

    Another government source told News Limited: “We’ve seen this all before – Rudd’s people over-egging the numbers only for it to be proven later that they simply weren’t there.”

    Guffaw!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Slowly but slowly the Rudd leadership ambitions ebb away

    Kevin Kustard, indeed! 😆

  162. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    “Rudd’s people over-egging the numbers only for it to be proven later that they simply weren’t there.”

    Yep !

  163. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 3:51 pm

    Weren’t we due for a Newspoll last night ?

    Are they all waiting for that ?

  164. egg permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:04 pm

    The trigger for a possible spill was nipped in the bud by the PM … caucus won’t get a say in the formation of the Ministry.

    She’s damn good at close quarters.

  165. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:07 pm

    No, Newspoll not until next week.

    As an aside, I, for reasons not professional, will be meeting with Martin O’Shannessy in about 3 weeks time. He’s the boss of Newspoll. Anyone got any questions?

  166. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:09 pm

    No one has the stomach for the fight, Egg. If you reckon Rudd’s been bad, wait until you see a Gillard scorned.

  167. Hummmph permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:15 pm

    Sanity, could you ask him to poll in Windsor and Oakeshotts seats?

  168. Hummmph permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:17 pm

    😳 I meant Sancty

  169. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:24 pm

    “Anyone got any questions?”

    Ask TomR !

  170. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:26 pm

    Sancty……………….perhaps you could take CU with you.

    She’s the polling expert……………………….. LOL

  171. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:34 pm

    Don’t worry, Hummmph, I’m usually called far worse.

    No I won’t be taking CU/FU. Yes, TomR. I made a Carbon Tax comment on Twitter today and I’ve been hounded all day by some nutjob. I could block him but at the moment it’s just fun making him bark.

  172. June 18, 2013 4:41 pm

    “perhaps you could take CU with you”

    LOL 😆

    Maybe she could just “live blog” it…

  173. egg permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:43 pm

    ‘…wait until you see a Gillard scorned.’

    That’s cleaver.

    So after the election it will be agreed by the caucus that they will choose the Ministry and ostensibly the Opposition leader.

  174. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 4:49 pm

    She live blogged the Darling Harbour meeting. I read it in Penthouse Forum.

  175. June 18, 2013 4:59 pm

    “Now where are my nappies?”

    * squirt, squirt…

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:04 pm

    So after the election it will be agreed by the caucus that they will choose the Ministry and ostensibly the Opposition leader.

    … back to square one then … er, don’t they already select the leader? It certainly won’t be an Opposition by the way its all travellin’ … more like an Coach and coupla water “persons” …

  177. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:19 pm

    “I read it in Penthouse Forum.”

    LOL

    Way too much imagery there……………..

  178. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:20 pm

    Just heard Richo on radio say Rudd definitely has the numbers this time.

    Er……………..I think he said that last time too

  179. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:21 pm

    Sancty

    Maybe ask the Newspoll guy if there are any plans to do a marginal seat only poll

  180. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:24 pm

    I’ll be asking him about Oakeshott’s seat that’s for sure. He’s been gloating about polling today. I’d be staggered if he won his seat.

    Marginal is defined as 11% these days.

  181. egg permalink
    June 18, 2013 5:57 pm

    New England is marginal and deserves closer attention. Go Barnaby!

  182. egg permalink
    June 18, 2013 6:24 pm

    Jamie McIntyre will do better than Windsor in New England. It may come down to preferences.

  183. June 18, 2013 6:31 pm

    The wheel grinds slowly, apparently…

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/st-kilda-star-steven-milne/story-e6frfkp9-1226665661119

    If, after all this time, he can’t escape via technicalities & StKFC legal-power, I hope it grinds him very fine…

  184. IPA permalink
    June 18, 2013 8:00 pm

    Hello, my name’s IPA and I’m a half-book reader. That’s right, I have a lot – lot! – of books in my home that I haven’t managed to finish. I’ll get half maybe three-quarters of the way through one and put it down for a couple of days while I start another. But I never get back to the first one. What I’d like to know, however, is AM I A FREAK? 😯

  185. egg permalink
    June 18, 2013 8:07 pm

    From what I hear you are exhibiting normal behaviour IPA.

  186. June 18, 2013 8:15 pm

    Typical dingbat traits…

  187. June 18, 2013 8:36 pm

    “Hello, my name’s IPA and I’m a half-book reader. “

    I’m glad I’m not alone…

    I’m a book buyer who doesn’t even make it through the first chapter. Then I just plonk them somewhere thinking “I’ll get to that when I can” but that just never seems to happen….

    *sigh*

  188. June 18, 2013 8:37 pm

    “AM I A FREAK?”

    Yes, but it’s got nothing to do with your recreational reading pursuits (just quietly) … 😉

  189. IPA permalink
    June 18, 2013 8:44 pm

    Haw Haw 😐

    (Watching Australia vs Iraq. It’s all about the oil.)

  190. IPA permalink
    June 18, 2013 8:55 pm

    Forbes: “There are 7.1 billion people on the planet. These are the 71 who matter.”

  191. Hummmph permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:14 pm

    Forbes: “There are 7.1 billion people on the planet. These are the 71 who matter.”

    I did notice a penchant for blue ties, suits and 1 blue turban, probably of no relevance, but, why is KRudd not there?

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:25 pm

    I always like to have about 3 or 4 books on the go.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:28 pm

    Yes, remember when some of us said St Kilda’s Milne “had a case to answer”?

    How the barrackers laughed, and derided us for suggesting that. Well it seems that the police also believe he “has a case to answer”.

  194. IPA permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:47 pm

    There are a couple of things I’d like to say about the Milne case: 1)The presumption of innocence; 2)Mick Malthouse is a c**t.

  195. Istanbul Penguins permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:54 pm

    Washington Post: Turkish government could use armed forces against protesters, senior official warns

  196. IPA permalink
    June 18, 2013 9:59 pm

    Hidden camera catches wireless company employees passing out ‘Obama phones’ to people who say they’ll SELL them for drugs, shoes, handbags and spending cash. The ‘Lifeline’ free-cell-phone scheme cost $2.2 BILLION last year alone, all of it from fees added to the phone bills of paying customers. The biggest beneficiary other than low-income consumers is billionaire Carlos Slim Helu, whose TracFone has collected $1.5 BILLION to date.

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:24 pm

    Aussie Oi!

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:27 pm

    Miglo – And this is coming from ToM the same person who has made threats here that he could easily hire a hacker to wipe out this site.

    Miglo confirms that he’s lost it.

    Apparently he thinks all intelligent but slightly contrary contributors are me! There are others.

    Bizarre and hilarious.

  199. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:48 pm

    What I’d like to know, however, is AM I A FREAK?

    Actually you sound like a football club that starts every season full of promise but can’t see it out and leaves their supporters hanging….frustrated and angry…..tearing up their memberships.

  200. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:49 pm

    Mick Malthouse is a c**t.

    Mick Malthouse is a Premiership player.

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:51 pm

    Mick Malthouse learnt to be a c**t during his Richmond playing days.

  202. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:52 pm

    Re- Milne…..if the circumstances are as “my people” have led me to believe, it’s going to be a very difficult case to prove. I suspect he’s guilty as sin but proving it is another matter.

  203. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 18, 2013 10:54 pm

    At least he’s not a bald little rule tampering c**t like that other Tiger premiership player.

  204. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 11:02 pm

    If anyone is in any doubt as to how Gillard has totally fucked the ALP look at the speeches from Kim Carr and Cameron on Moylan’s valedictory speech today.

    We have forgotten what a stupid pick Nova Peris actually is because other disasters followed.

    Talk about speeches devoted to betrayal

    Wow

  205. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2013 11:09 pm

    My bad

    I meant Trish Crossin ALP not Moylan

  206. June 18, 2013 11:10 pm

    There are a couple of things I’d like to say about the Thomson case: 1)The presumption of innocence; 2) George Brandis is a c**t.

  207. June 18, 2013 11:13 pm

    “I suspect he’s guilty as sin but proving it is another matter.”

    My people agree with your people.

  208. June 18, 2013 11:37 pm

    snacky noisepoll
    l agree with Hummph, the current indi`s in this watermelon govt,
    and would also add `new-players` katters-kids and palmers-pups,
    thankz

  209. June 18, 2013 11:55 pm

    ” I’m a half-book reader. That’s right ‘ ‘
    seems like ipa-osy is basing the same reading discipline on his books that Mr-Rabbit places on BHP reports, there`s a lesson there somewhere `OSY`

  210. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 19, 2013 8:43 am

    Anyone think it odd that last week we were all navel gazing about sexism etc whilst this week we are collectively laughing at a young girl who stumbled over an answer to a stupid question at a stupid local beauty pageant in the US?

    1. Hey everyone. Say “No” to bullying and sexism!
    2. Hey everyone, join me in pointing and laughing at this young girl!

    Every. Mainstream. Online. News site.

    Unfuckingbelievable.

    We don’t know who we are.

  211. egg permalink
    June 19, 2013 9:05 am

    Apparently there was an elephant in the room at the caucus meeting yesterday, not that anyone noticed.

    I say leave the PM in the chair and we’ll have a clean sweep in September …. they deserve a decade or more in the wilderness.

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2013 9:44 am

    A lifetime pension of $170k pa buys you a lot more than wilderness. She might even be able to afford a decent hairdresser.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2013 9:59 am

    … this week we are collectively laughing at a young girl …

    If you mean this, James?

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/miss-utah-usa-marissa-powell-has-another-go-at-question-that-stumped-her/story-e6frfmqi-1226665999965

    I think you need to reflect on the difference between a 13 year old girl and what was actually an innocent gaffe …

    … and a 21 year old young WOMAN who entered a COMPETITION that is known to be internationally televised and has always always ASKED questions of the CONTESTANTS …

    🙄

  214. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 10:02 am

    “…..and has always always ASKED questions of the CONTESTANTS …”

    Most asked question…………perhaps…..

    “What is the one thing you want to most do in the World ?”

    Contestant’s Answer : “I want to help bring about World Peace “

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2013 10:03 am

    Oh and I missed the “joins a long list of pageant fails” at the bottom of the article … I think you bias is showing, James or is it just your telephone in your pocket? 😉

  216. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 10:13 am

    “We don’t know who we are.”

    We Are Us !

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2013 10:22 am

    “I want to help bring about World Peace”

    Unctuous, simplistic, banal – the very model of a modern major leftist. The difference is that pageant contestants still have time to grow up.

  218. egg permalink
    June 19, 2013 12:09 pm

    ‘The Country Liberal Party senator suggested that if Mr Rudd, who had by that point left the chamber, was re-elected Labor leader there was time to re-install Senator Crossin on the top spot of Labor’s Northern Territory ticket.

    ”Kevin if you’re listening mate and you are going to do something, there is still time to undo a great wrong,” he said on Tuesday evening.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/senators-fire-up-at-the-pm-over-crossins-dumping-20130619-2ohid.html#ixzz2WckToVuc

  219. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 1:09 pm

    “Immigration Minister Brendan O’Connor got put through his paces last night on the ABC’s Lateline over the government’s claims about the numbers of businesses rorting the scheme.”

    Actually he was embarrassingly bad. He had no evidence at all of widespread rorting and still could not back up his previous guesstimate of 10,000 cases.

    He’s another idiot.
    *************************************************************************

    I heard on the radio this morning that a business wanting to recruit 457 workers will have to advertise for 6 MONTHS.

    That is just ludicrous and is further proof that the ALP is not fit to govern

    “….The government wants to compel employers who hire foreign workers under the visa scheme to prove they have first tried to recruit suitably qualified Australians. This could include demonstrating employers had advertised and participated in career expos.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-june-19-2013-20130619-2ohna.html#ixzz2WcxbcGYg

  220. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2013 1:20 pm

    The public don’t tust Gillard’s and rate her at about on par with people of similar character:

    Having woken to the latest Fairfax/Nielsen poll showing men were abandoning her faster than a red car with big wheels, Reader’s Digest was storing up another small torment. The venerable Digest’s annual survey of Australia’s 100 Most Trusted People placed Ms Gillard at, oh dear, Number 95.

    The good news was that this was ahead of her newfound radio buddy, Kyle Sandilands (96); colourful NSW kingmaker, Eddie Obeid (97), the alleged bearer of a celebrated credit card, Craig Thomson (98), defrocked speaker Peter Slipper (99) and troubled actor Matthew Newton (100).

    The bad news for Ms Gillard was that Kevin Rudd bolted in ahead of her at number 70, and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was number 75. Even Jolly Clive Palmer managed 80th, and shadow treasurer Joe Hockey pipped Mr Abbott at 74. Given even Malcolm Turnbull could manage only 68 out of 100, the survey hardly spoke well of politicians in general.
    Indeed, it found Australians vastly preferred neurosurgeons (Charlie Teo, number 1), burns specialists (Dr Fiona Wood, 2) and immunologists (Ian Frazer, 3).

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2013 1:21 pm

    Is Gillard still PM? That doesn’t make sense.

  222. June 19, 2013 1:36 pm

    “The venerable Digest’s annual survey of Australia’s 100 Most Trusted People placed Ms Gillard at, oh dear, Number 95.”

    chuckles… 😆

  223. egg permalink
    June 19, 2013 2:05 pm

    Tonight at the ball, Rudd will be sitting with the Fairfax stable, while Turnbull hangs out with Fox.

  224. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2013 2:18 pm

    Gillard is in good company there at the bottom of the list, people she has done so much to support, Slipper, dodgy ALP types. I haven’t yet worked out the Matthew Newton connection. Perhaps he was hairdresser at some stage?

  225. IPA permalink
    June 19, 2013 3:41 pm

    Memories of a kindler, gentler polity, featuring the demure Ms Gillard.

  226. Troll permalink
    June 19, 2013 3:57 pm

    Meanwhile over at AIMN only an idiot like Miglo could yesterday claim someone is borderline defamatory whilst being borderline defamatory.

    What a fucking idiot he is

    In response to another the Chief Hypochondriac Attention Seeker wrote

    “unethical, dishonest behaviour of Victoria Rollison and Michael Taylor” borders on defamatory and is uncalled for.

    And this is coming from ToM the same person who has made threats here that he could easily hire a hacker to wipe out this site.

    I’m asking you not to return to this site.

  227. June 19, 2013 3:59 pm

    TROLL !

  228. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 4:25 pm

    Has anyone else downloaded Wayne Swan’s Election Campaign App for smartphones.
    I tried but its not compatible with my smartphone.

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 19, 2013 5:28 pm

    I don’t know much about this but it just reinforces my belief that ALP followers support a team rather than principle.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/labor-bent-over-to-appease-us-assange/story-e6frfkui-1226666048258

    WIKILEAKS founder Julian Assange has launched a blistering attack on the Gillard government saying it “bent over more than any other country in the world” to appease the United States.

    Like I said I don’t know much about the topic but i do know about ALP supporters. If Howard was in power and doing what the ALP has done the ALP would be playing politics with Assange and milking him for all he is worth.

  230. June 19, 2013 5:36 pm

    Credible commenters here registered their displeasure with the Rudd/Gillard Government’s kowtowing to the US regarding Assange years ago , Neil. 🙄

    “it just reinforces my belief that ALP followers support a team rather than principle.”

    But, then again, everything reinforces your bias, no matter how out of context or superfluous it may be.

  231. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 19, 2013 5:43 pm

    Toilet, i came to the conclusion within 6 milliseconds after my first post on Dunlops blog. It was IPA that made it clear to me what was bothering me so much about ALP supporters.

    I think 45% vote ALP/Greens, 40% vote Coalition and 15% are swingers. I think facts are basically irrelevant.

    However i don’t see the inconsistencies so much in Coalition beliefs. And I am well aware you will say I am blind but Labor supporters are the most tribal i have ever seen.

    Listening to the radio the other night and a caller said he was voting ALP because we had a AAA credit rating. Well we had one under Costello as well. In fact it was Costello who got our rating back after Hawke/keating lost it. But these facts are irrelevant for rusted on ALP supporters.

  232. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:07 pm

    Thommo is having a funds raiser.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/broke-mp-craig-thomson-to-hold-150ahead-fundraiser/story-fncynjr2-1226666358720

    The twist is that the venue he plans on having it at says nothing has yet been booked. Only enquiries have been made

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:10 pm

    I think facts are basically irrelevant.

    I’ve noticed that with many of your posts, Kneel, and this little starter too I don’t know much about this but …

    Keep up the good work, you’ll get your Liberal Worker of The Month badge soon … 🙄

  234. June 19, 2013 6:18 pm

    From Walrus’s link…

    “Your support would be greatly appreciated and I commit to passing on any unspent monies to charity.”

    Unspent monies…?

    Charity….??

    ROFLMAO… 😆

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:18 pm

    Thommo is having a funds raiser.

    You’d have a spare 300 bucks, Wally … we could both go (I’ll pay my own airfre down if you buy the tickets) … we can both get stuck in … 😆

  236. Hummmph permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:26 pm

    TB, can I come? I’ll dress up as a hooker just to see if he has mended his ways, if not i may make enough for all our airfares, that’s if he’s got a card on him.:wink:

  237. June 19, 2013 6:27 pm

    😯

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:32 pm

    Certainly the high Australian dollar, intense international competition and failure to make cars that people want to buy are dominant reasons for the industry’s problems. None of these can be addressed if managers of car plants can’t effectively manage. That’s what’s happened in Australia.

    B,BUT …

    These unions share a big part of the blame for the industry’s progressive decline and job losses.

    These quotes are actually printed one before the other BUT the critical sentence here is … if managers of car plants can’t effectively manage …

    Now strangely enough this is a true statement because many of the senior and middle managers that I was “privileged” to train … couldn’t manage because they had no idea how to go about it … no quals in mangement and a monkey see, monkey do approach … usually no in-house training (certainly no competency based learning) … and most promoted on Peter’s Principle … “to their level of incompetency” … unions leaders run rings around them … mainly ’cause managers in the metal trades (and others) have generally been fkn lazy and don’t bother to even try to understand the legislation that governs what they are attempting to do!

    Hear an American accent in a CEO or other senior manager and the Ossea laws are “stupid” … so guess what happens …

    Don’t blame the union leaders, just ’cause are better at their jobs … take a good look at management who can’t do theirs … including this fkn great elephant failure to make cars that people want to buy !

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2013 6:35 pm

    TB, can I come? I’ll dress up as a hooker …

    Come as you, Hmp … whoo, probably not a good contraction there …

  240. June 19, 2013 6:40 pm

    They will never ‘get it’, TB, with regard to retrogressive management.

  241. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 10:18 pm

    There is one thing I do like about Rudd

    He hates Gillard more than I.

    LOL

  242. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 19, 2013 10:23 pm

    “You’d have a spare 300 bucks, Wally … ”

    LOL

    Not at the rate my Newcrest shares are heading. 8000 of the buggers at 16.50 something now 12 if I’m lucky.

    Sorry maybe ToM can sponsor us. He’s a fan

    We might be on wixxys table .

    We could get sancty along. Perhaps the Bloods are playing that weekend at the SCG

    LOL

  243. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 9:02 am

    The Coalition is channeling Sparta…

    ‘The Coalition immigration spokesman, Scott Morrison, left open the possibility of suspending or renegotiating Australia’s commitment to the UN convention on refugees, when he told Sky News on Tuesday that the way it was “woven into” Australian law was “open for discussion”.

    Taylor in the Guardian

  244. Hummmph permalink
    June 20, 2013 9:57 am

    Taylor hates all things Abbott or liberal, and she looks like she always is in a perpetual state of shock. Heeheee

  245. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 10:13 am

    Simplot is a large food processing plant in my area and 10 local corn producers supply half their need, then last week they ‘dropped a bombshell’ …. they are moving to New Zealand.

    “The high cost of labour is killing Simplot,” Mr McSpedden (market gardener of Lagoon) said yesterday.

    “Unless they can change their ways and the dollar moves, they are in big trouble. The base hourly rate under the Food Preservers Union is $26 an hour and you double that at the weekend.

    “Over in New Zealand the hourly rate is just under $13 and they don’t pay penalty rates.

    “It’s pretty simple. It’s why McCain’s couldn’t compete here and went over there.”

  246. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2013 10:26 am

    This is a very interesting article on the statistical incompetence of climate science.

    Unsurprisingly it is written by a physicist. Physicists feature prominantly among the scientists critical of climate science, probably because physics is real science – it is easily testable against reality.

    The whole climate science bum-rush was all about making some dodgy models and demanding immediate action before any real checking was done. Now we can see massive increases in CO2 over the last 15 years and no warming. It is precisely because climate science was all about money, grants and politics that logical incoherence has not changed the thinking of climate ‘scientists’ one jot.

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2013 10:27 am

    Sorry wrong thread.

  248. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 10:35 am

    Yep ‘logical incoherence’ is apt, methinks they believe their own spin and have inadvertently become brainwashed.

    Found this google projection for us all to ponder.

    ‘In just over 30 years, humans will be able to upload their entire minds to computers and become digitally immortal – an event called singularity – according to a futurist from Google.
    Ray Kurzweil, director of engineering at Google, also claims that the biological parts of our body will be replaced with mechanical parts and this could happen as early as 2100.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2344398/Google-futurist-claims-uploading-entire-MINDS-computers-2045-bodies-replaced-machines-90-years.html#ixzz2WiBWPx2f
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2013 11:09 am

    I distrust futurists. My inner sceptic tells me to be wary of Kurzweil’s predictions. However, he has runs on the board when it comes both to doing useful stuff and making interesting predictions.

    I can see that computers may be able to replicate reason, albeit that it may take some time given the billions of neural connections in our brains and the fact that they are each much more than I/O switches.

    I like Plato’s view of reason being the charioteer driving the horses of spirit and appetite. A lot of being human is about spirit and appetite. Most of our decisions, actions and reactions are driven by these two. Reason is an important but relatively minor part of the equation, especially in the leftist brain (actually being a theist, I can’t really complain about that). I’m not sure how we will be able to program a computer to be hungry or horny, but it should be interesting to watch.

  250. June 20, 2013 11:14 am

    Reason should be King. 😉

    It complements self control & shrewd decision making.

  251. June 20, 2013 11:24 am

    Can I just say that, imo, you are probably the most rational theist I’ve encountered, splatter.

    I mean that in a complimentary sense; with no derision.

    Would that there were more like you. I often find myself agreeing with your take on things. [reflexive leftist bashing aside]

  252. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2013 11:45 am

    Thanks TBoss. I do try to be reasonable, but sometimes …..

    I really enjoy this blog and the commenters here.

  253. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 20, 2013 11:55 am

    Go figure ay………………….

    The US Fed Reserve signals its emerging slowly from Recession and the ASX spits its dummy and throws off $20B in a tantrum.

    Very amusing

  254. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 20, 2013 11:57 am

    And “Tony Soprano” aged 51 carked it on an Italian holiday.

    Just goes to show you just never know when your number will come up

  255. el gordo permalink
    June 20, 2013 3:47 pm

    This is positive nooze for my side….

    ‘THE nation’s two most powerful union leaders have publicly backed Julia Gillard’s leadership of the Labor Party and urged caucus members to unite behind her.

    ‘Attempting to put a lid on swirling leadership speculation, Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association secretary Joe de Bruyn and Australian Workers Union boss Paul Howes said the entire union movement was behind the Prime Minister.’

    Ben Packham in the Oz

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2013 4:19 pm

    Gordo, apart from getting rid of a dysfunctional government, what good things will the Libs actually do?

    I’m sick of whining about Gillard. Maybe that is her strategy – to be so bad for so long that everyone just gets exhausted complaining about her and tunes out.

  257. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 4:40 pm

    ‘…what good things will the Libs actually do?’

    Abolish that odious tax and dismantle the green machine for starters…and he’ll do something about asylum seekers.

    These are the festering sores which need immediate attention, after that its infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure.

  258. Istanbul Penguin permalink
    June 20, 2013 4:43 pm

    “Turkey’s “Standing Man”: A lone, silent vigil by a man in Istanbul inspired copycat protests on Tuesday, as police detained dozens of people across Turkey in an operation linked to three weeks of often violent demonstrations against Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan. Overnight in Ankara, riot police used teargas and water cannon to disperse hundreds of people who had gathered in and around the government quarter of Kizilay. But in stark contrast to the recent fierce clashes in several cities, hundreds of protesters merely stood in silence in Istanbul, inspired by a man who lit up social media by doing just that for eight hours in the city’s Taksim Square on Monday. ‘I am just an ordinary citizen of this country,’ Erdem Gunduz, dubbed the ‘Standing Man’ on Twitter, told Hurriyet TV. … As dusk fell on Tuesday, hundreds followed his lead, standing quietly and facing either a giant portrait of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of modern Turkey, or a phalanx of police officers keeping watch over the crowd a short distance away.”

  259. Hummmph permalink
    June 20, 2013 4:55 pm

    JULIA Gillard has accused Tony Abbott of resorting to “personal abuse” when an argument isn’t going his way.

    And of course she would never do this 😆

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2013 5:07 pm

    I was watching Hollow Men on ABC last night. I hope we can move on from the spin cycle. Libs should focus on the economy. That means bringing the unions to heel, getting the price of electricity down, slashing expenditure, erecting some tariff barriers, getting rid of tax arbitrages and cutting tax rates. There should be an immediate stop to subsidies for unionised industries.

  261. IPA permalink
    June 20, 2013 6:39 pm

    “That means bringing the unions to heel, getting the price of electricity down, slashing expenditure, erecting some tariff barriers, getting rid of tax arbitrages and cutting tax rates. There should be an immediate stop to subsidies for unionised industries.”

    I agree with all of that except tariff barriers. Why should the consumer always get it in the neck?

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2013 6:52 pm

    … getting the price of electricity down …

    Well all they have to do is look at Noddy Newman & The Dunces “Power Cost Reduction Model … a modest rise of 21% (only around a dollar a day according to my “service provider”) … that battery bank is looking like good value every year!

    … why do rich pricks always say “only” … when the rest of us say … how fkn much!

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2013 7:05 pm

    I agree with, ToSY … although, sb, and egg are at odds with one wanting to more infrastructure and ‘tother wanting … slashing expenditure and reducing taxes … taxes? They’ve never been so low, especially with the all the deductions …

  264. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 7:19 pm

    ‘more infrastructure’

    Europe is going nowhere, China is in strife, we need to organise consortiums to build infrastructure and open up the country.

    Barry’s Waratah Bonds are good value, allowing cashed-up Indians and Chinese families to immigrate. They automatically have a stake.

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2013 7:27 pm

    WTF is Barry?

  266. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 7:30 pm

    Barry O’Farrell.

  267. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 7:46 pm

    If I could have a word in Abbott’s ear, it would be brief.

    With the asylum seeker problem, all non criminal hopefuls should be fast tracked into the Australian desert from the Indonesian camps. Anyone who comes by boat after that, is a gangster and will be sent home.

    Normal immigration should continue unaffected by asylum seeker numbers.

    The Bond immigrants are independent new settlers and should be welcomed.

  268. June 20, 2013 7:52 pm

    MMV…

    Is Craig Emerson as thick as shit, or does he just like to act like he is….

    😯

  269. IPA permalink
    June 20, 2013 8:17 pm

    “Today is the tomorrow I was so worried about yesterday” ~ Anthony Hopkins

  270. June 20, 2013 8:20 pm

    One of my favourite sayings ToSY…

  271. egg permalink
    June 20, 2013 8:21 pm

    Greg Sheridan takes a swipe at the Refugee Convention.

    ‘It is clear, and sometimes explicit, in the convention’s wording that it envisages people fleeing directly from persecution in one country to haven, temporary or permanent, in an adjacent neighbour. So how is it that, ostensibly under the auspices of the convention, there are now Iranians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Somalis, Afghans, Pakistanis and others arriving in Australia’s north and claiming to be refugees?…’

  272. Hummmph permalink
    June 20, 2013 9:39 pm

    Craig Emmersen tells Leigh Sales that Gillard still has lots of support, from him and the unions, he didn’t mention anyone else. Old faithful, Julia’s lucky to have him.

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2013 9:57 pm

    So Gillard is still PM. That’s disappointing.

  274. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:33 am

    Gillard is still holding onto power for now and I salute her, meanwhile the next PM on this large island has an idea he would like to exploit.

    ‘A future Coalition government could impose special tax brackets for both individuals and companies as part of Tony Abbott’s radical plan to transform Australia’s vast underpopulated north into a productive international food-bowl and a major tourism generator.

    ‘Declaring the north to be Australia’s ”next frontier”, Mr Abbott will promise a discussion white paper which would be completed within the first year in office.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-sees-north-as-next-frontier-20130620-2olt0.html#ixzz2WnIc8zyn

  275. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:40 am

    This is shocking news…

    ‘BILL Shorten has been excluded from Julia Gillard’s inner circle and strategic decision-making team as pressure mounts on him to resolve Labor’s leadership impasse.

    ‘The Prime Minister has not sought the Workplace Relations and Employment Minister’s advice in recent weeks because of fears that he may have “switched sides” and can no longer be trusted.’

    Peter van Onselen in the Oz

  276. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:25 am

    It just seems so unfair that with so many new contrarians down at the cafe I still remain a pariah….

  277. IPA permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:51 am

    The Telegraph: “Barack Obama underscored again why he is no JFK or Ronald Reagan. In front of the Brandenburg Gate, Obama sounded more like the president of the European Commission than the leader of the free world. It is never a good sign when a US president parrots the language of a Brussels bureaucrat when he is supposed to be a champion of freedom. Obama’s distinctly unimpressive speech in Berlin was another dud from a floundering president whose leadership abroad is just as weak as it is at home.”

  278. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 9:29 am

    A lame duck in the US and Europe on the ropes, meanwhile in Oz its all good.

    ‘TONY Abbott stands to gain control of the Senate on September 14, relegating Labor to its worst election result since 1901, according to a new state-by-state polling analysis.’

    Daily Terror (Hate Media)

  279. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 9:35 am

    The unions are still telling us Gillard will remain as leader, jolly decent of them, all hail the unions.

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 9:56 am

    Agree, H, the thought crossed my mind too, last night, as I listened, shaking my head, to the shite coming out of Emerson’s mouth … I see all Abbott’s Acolytes are closely following their typed instructions and keeping their big dumb gobs shut! Clever …

  281. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 10:01 am

    The ALP is 50% controlled by the unions. It is their subsidiary entity. So of course they control the senior executive positions. Bill Ludwig is the most powerful man in Australia. His creature Gillard is PM. She knifed his enemy Rudd. When she goes, his protege Shorten will take over. His stupid and incompetent son is a Senator. The ALP in a nutshell. No wonder it is not so popular these days.

  282. June 21, 2013 10:23 am

    There was a guy being interviewed on ABC radio this morning who’s just written a book about the Unions’control of the Labor party and how they all do favours for each other…

    It was illuminating to say the least…

  283. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 10:34 am

    I’m looking forward to reading the book. I wonder if anyone done a ‘Downfall’ video of it yet?

  284. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 10:37 am

    Well the NTEU has just donated $1M to the Greens. Makes it hard for Conservative voters to join a Union because The Greens are mad.

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2013 11:27 am

    WHAT!! Someone has written a book that details the control that unions exercise over the ALP??!

  286. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 11:37 am

    ‘The Greens are mad.’

    The electorate agree, for the most part.

  287. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2013 11:38 am

    “There was a guy being interviewed on ABC radio this morning who’s just written a book about the Unions’control of the Labor party………..”

    What his first name ToM by any chance ?

  288. June 21, 2013 11:47 am

    Well done splatterbottom !!

    That was the name of the book – Downfall…

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/06/downfall-how-the-labor-party-ripped-itself-apart.html

  289. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 12:10 pm

    WORKERS in Sydney have joined a global trade union protest against the Turkish government’s crackdown on demonstrators in the transcontinental country.

    They are going to take over the world as we know it.

  290. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 12:17 pm

    Sadly the author is prone to groupthink, according to Smith.

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 1:20 pm

    …hundreds of protesters merely stood in silence in Istanbul, inspired by a man who lit up social media…

    Powerful stuff, words and physical aggression unnecessary, shows you can control the citizenry by brutal use of state force but govt should be more worried about such silent resolve/dissent. In australia the [un]silent majority has a fortnightly voice and it is an ugly one, bigotry, sexism and xenophobia.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/xenophobia-and-the-fine-art-of-politics-20130308-2fqsq.html

    Drunk man let seven-year-old drive, police say

    I grew up in outback Sth Aus and fondly remember dad letting us kids drive the car at times, but there is the right time and place. Is this the new version of responsible drinking with designated driver?

    WHAT!! Someone has written a book that details the control that unions exercise over the ALP??!

    How quaint, this demonising of unions as the only ones who wield undemocratic power and control through a political party, even when transparent. Best not to open your eyes too wide, check your side vision or think too hard.

    Tony Abbott to release vision for northern development

    It’s called the reinhart vision, named after major liberal party funder and top beneficiary of project. That’s how business is done in this country, no need to worry about silly democratic notions, just buy your puppets. But always remember UNIONS = BOO!

    …and he’ll do something about asylum seekers.

    only the pitifuls who dare to come by boat, the majority of them arrive by stealth in much greater numbers without any mass hysteria from well trained ignorant bigots.

  292. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 1:27 pm

    The Greens are mad

    I am starting to think most Labor supporters are also. Apparently every sentence from Abbott is a lie but Gillard always tells the truth.

    I think this could be a worry

    http://www.news.com.au/tablet/gillards-student-visa-stunner/story-fnehlez2-1226598464551

    THOUSANDS more foreign students will get the green light to compete with young Australians for jobs next week, when Julia Gillard’s “Aussie-first” government expands a back-door work visa scheme……………….But starting next Saturday, foreign graduates with a bachelor’s degree in any field will be allowed to work here for up to two years.

    Master’s degree graduates will be allowed to work for three years, and PhD graduates for four years.

    Education is a big money spinner but i struggle with this current visa scheme coming in. So if you bust your guts for 8 years to get a PhD you now find yourself competing for the few available jobs with the thousands of students from overseas getting a degree here. PhD graduates will now be allowed to work in their field for up to 4 years but they will find some way to get permanent residency.

  293. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 1:30 pm

    ‘the majority of them arrive by stealth in much greater numbers without any mass hysteria’

    tru dat

    ‘It’s called the reinhart vision’

    No, its called ANDEV and its a fair bet that Project Iron Boomerang will get a run in the white paper.

  294. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:07 pm

    For what it’s worth, I don’t think Rudd will be next leader of labor. I reckon Rudd has done a deal with shorten. Shorten to be labor leader, Rudd to be foreign minister.
    Shorten has been the unions heir apparent, so if Rudd took over, they would have to stab him in the back again, not good for future election.
    Rudd gets to fly all over the world, so he is out of the country a lot. Rest of labor can unite behind shorten, Rudd can stick to his word, I won’t be leader blah, blah, unions have their man , and Julia, well I don’t know about Julia, she can lead some feminist group of school teachers or something.
    I’d bet Howes house on it.

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:12 pm

    “That was the name of the book – Downfall…”

    Currently in stock at Dymocks – I have a few bonus points with Dymocks so I might blow them on this book.

  296. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:15 pm

    “Howes house” Nice alliteration. I wonder if S&G acted on the conveyance of this house or provided mortgage finance.

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:20 pm

    So if you bust your guts for 8 years to get a PhD you now find yourself competing for the few available jobs with the thousands of students from overseas getting a degree here.

    What is the problem if the qualifications are equal and all competitors are trained here? Aren’t these the skilled workers that are supposedly in demand? The problem with the current 457s are that they are pretending the unskilled [majority hospitality] workers that they bring in a) are skilled labour and b) in so much demand that the jobs can’t be filled here. They are not even advertising locally for aussie workers, deliberately done to drive down wages and conditions for already lowly paid and struggling workers here.

  298. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:22 pm

    No, its called ANDEV…

    who do you think is behind ANDEV?

  299. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:25 pm

    So if you bust your guts for 8 years to get a PhD you now find yourself competing for the few available jobs with the thousands of students from overseas getting a degree here.

    Its hypocritical for Gillard to arch up over 457 visas, then allow overseas trained graduates to stay and work in any field, they are even allowed to take on unskilled positions. IMO, it’s the unskilled Ozzie workers that may miss out, they are the ones who find it tough getting jobs.

  300. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:29 pm

    I am starting to think most Labor supporters are also. Apparently every sentence from Abbott is a lie but Gillard always tells the truth.

    I know liberal party supporters are, especially the rusted ons and their astroturfing robots who diligently infect debate with zombie liberal propaganda.

    They both lie, but you you won’t hear ‘free ride’ phonytony abbott’s lies reported, challenged or critiqued.

  301. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:33 pm

    “The problem with the current 457s are that they are pretending the unskilled [majority hospitality] workers that they bring in a) are skilled labour and b) in so much demand that the jobs can’t be filled here.”

    You mean like McTernan? Imagine how much worse Gillard’s image would be without his magic touch? Clearly he was head and shoulders above anything Australia had to offer.

  302. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:40 pm

    IMO, it’s the unskilled Ozzie workers that may miss out, they are the ones who find it tough getting jobs.

    my opinion too and it is these unskilled workers being brought in by the current abuse of 457s who really are taking the jobs from locals. You won’t hear any manufactured hysteria from the libs about this, they do a ‘quick, look over there’ by demonising asylum seekers. It’s truly gobsmacking their hypocrisy in making claims of xenophobia re 457 rorts when they actively promote xenophobia re genuine asylum seekers.

  303. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 2:56 pm

    You mean like McTernan?

    here cometh the strawman!

    That example is actually what 457s are supposed to be for – skilled workers in high demand jobs. Not unskilled low wage labour who directly compete with local workers.
    What about all the corporate CEOs, board members and upper management with foreign accents? I’m sure there’s plenty of aussie females who would like a chance.

  304. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 3:10 pm

    “What is the problem if the qualifications are equal and all competitors are trained here? Aren’t these the skilled workers that are supposedly in demand?

    Education is a big money earner for Universities and Australia. Wealthy overseas parents send their children here to get a degree. They are supposed to return home when they get their degree. There is NO shortage of skilled workers in most areas and definitely no shortage of PhD’s. In fact we have a gross oversupply of PhD’s. Labors new changes just make it tougher to get a job in a profession you like. I had actually never heard of this 485 visa before.

    http://www.news.com.au/tablet/gillards-student-visa-stunner/story-fnehlez2-1226598464551

    And these overseas students supply a large number of the asylum seekers who fly in. They are in no danger if they return home but like it here so much they try and get permanent residency. If that fails they apply for asylum. Hence the low success rate for asylum seekers who fly in.

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 3:15 pm

    …hundreds of foreign workers and students were being forced into debt bondage after paying up to $40,000 for an Australian skilled worker visa…

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-defends-457-visas-as-government-plans-crackdown-20130606-2nrsc.html#ixzz2WpAhdkAo

    Liberal party actually deliberately allows and creates policy for foreigners to jump the local jobs queue. But hey, look over there, mcternan, boat people are illegals, terrorists and criminals! 🙄

  306. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 3:16 pm

    The liberal party are taxpayer funded people smugglers!

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2013 3:42 pm

    The Liberals have always been the party of business, and suburban solicitors. Not much has changed in their political orientation.

    But there was a time that the ALP represented more than the narrow interests of a few union hacks. The only evidence of the hopeless decline is a comparison between the Hawke and Gillard ministries.

    While the Liberals have probably maintained the type of patchy ministry they have always had, the ALP is threadbare with most of its limited talent on the backbench thanks to Gillard and her union mates.

  308. June 21, 2013 3:55 pm
  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 3:58 pm

    “That example is actually what 457s are supposed to be for – skilled workers in high demand jobs.”

    McTernan skilled????

    “I’m sure there’s plenty of aussie females who would like a chance.” Yep, plenty of females with media skills and experience. I’m sure Gillard advertised for months to try to fill that position with a local. It must have broken her heart to have to employ a foreign man.

  310. IPA permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:00 pm

  311. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:02 pm

    ‘…who do you think is behind ANDEV?’

    So what? I don’t have a problem with successful women making an impact.

  312. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:07 pm

    ‘…when they actively promote xenophobia re genuine asylum seekers.’

    Not true, they are against illegal guest workers and, as you pointed out earlier, most come by plane.

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:11 pm

    From the link:

    “At the very least, the apology to the gay community and closure of Exodus is an admission that the movement was supporting homophobia and religious aggression to GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) people. It is also a sign that community attitudes to homosexuality have shifted. As Chambers said in his speech, “We’ve fought the culture and we’ve lost”.”

    Amen!

  314. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:16 pm

    “Now we have a media report that there may have been up to 200 examples of maltreatment of people on 457 visas. Well, let the authorities look into this and let them deal with it.”

    Tony Abbott

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:24 pm

    Liberal party actually deliberately allows and creates policy for foreigners to jump the local jobs queue”

    I actually have some agreement with Labor on this. Please don’t everybody faint.

    But some things puzzle me. Why wait 6 years to bring up the topic. I don’t believe the problems Labor has mentioned just occurred last year. In fact they would have known about them when they were elected in 2007.

    Unfortunately in one of the few areas i have agreement with Labor, they are just playing dog whistle politics. They had ample time to do something.

    Also the hypocrisy of McTurd being on a 457 visa. I do not believe Labor could not find an Australian who could organise a race riot and start a class and gender war.

  316. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:36 pm

    Mcternan wears a skirt, maybe Gillard thought he was a girl.

  317. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:43 pm

    “But some things puzzle me. Why wait 6 years to bring up the topic. I don’t believe the problems Labor has mentioned just occurred last year. In fact they would have known about them when they were elected in 2007.”

    Because they are
    • Union lackeys.
    • Dog-whistling.
    • fucking hypocrites.
    After six years in office they are responsible for any defects which they could have fixed already.
    A few months ago they thought the system was working fine.
    No doubt this is McTernan’s idea to get some traction. It only exposed Labor as hypocrites, and O’Connor as a liar who pulls numbers out of his arse.

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:47 pm

    The organisation that sought to “cure” homosexuality has closed, apologising to the gay community for its actions

    Does that mean homosexuality is actually incurable? 😉

  319. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:52 pm

    Sex is like that.

  320. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:55 pm

    Men have an insatiable appetite for love.

  321. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:00 pm

    After six years in office they are responsible for any defects which they could have fixed already.”

    Exactly, that is what govt is all about- solving problems. Instead Labor moans about a problem that they had SIX YEARS to fix. They brag about how much legislation this minority govt has passed. And before minority govt they had Rudd who could have fixed it.

    Nope, they are playing dog-whistle politics even though i agree with some of the complaints about the 457 visa.

  322. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:00 pm

    Love is a species of socially sanctioned obsessive-compulsive disorder. But instead of treating it as a medical condition it is elevated and fetishised as wonderful state to be in.

  323. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:25 pm

    And these overseas students supply a large number of the asylum seekers who fly in. They are in no danger if they return home but like it here so much they try and get permanent residency. If that fails they apply for asylum.

    So why aren’t ‘you lot’ screaming your tits off about that instead of the human misery that arrive by dangerous boat journey that only the desperate would undertake?

    the ALP is threadbare with most of its limited talent on the backbench thanks to Gillard and her union mates.

    That’s a matter of opinion tomM, I think that its a case of good riddance to a few of them, marn ferguson was the miner’s best friend [next to lib party], joel fitzgibbon is a DH, mcClelland an idiot. Crean is a loss and while rudd may be talented but what good to the party is he if he spends his time undermining it at every opportunity, he may as well be on the opposition benches. BTW, you want to see real limited talent – get a load of abbott’s intended front bench, never mind his backbench 😆

    Now we have a media report that there may have been up to 200 examples of maltreatment of people on 457 visas. Well, let the authorities look into this and let them deal with it.”

    There would be much more rorting than is even estimated.
    More mealymouth nonsense from the mealymouth of abbott, so annoying that he gets away with that shit.

    Unfortunately in one of the few areas i have agreement with Labor, they are just playing dog whistle politics. They had ample time to do something.

    Yes they are neil, trying hard to wedge abbott, as we all know labor is just as committed to zombie economics as the libs.

    Also the hypocrisy of McTurd being on a 457 visa. I do not believe Labor could not find an Australian who could organise a race riot and start a class and gender war.

    Actually there would be plenty in the land who could do so, but labor does not really have the credentials in that area, the best experts work for the liberals and newsltd. Labor would only have the hansonite bigots to call upon and there’s not much talent there 😉

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:28 pm

    And another thing. They go on about the problems with the 457 visa which i tend to agree with and then make it easier for flyins to get high skilled jobs on a 485 visa. Actually i had never heard of a 485 visa but this is bad.

    http://www.news.com.au/tablet/gillards-student-visa-stunner/story-fnehlez2-1226598464551

    THOUSANDS more foreign students will get the green light to compete with young Australians for jobs next week, when Julia Gillard’s “Aussie-first” government expands a back-door work visa scheme……….But Immigration Minister Brendan O’Connor said the change was “intended to make Australia a more attractive destination for high-quality overseas students”……………….But starting next Saturday, foreign graduates with a bachelor’s degree in any field will be allowed to work here for up to two years.

    Master’s degree graduates will be allowed to work for three years, and PhD graduates for four years.

    I am against this. Why bust your guts for years to get a qualification and then find yourself competing with half the planet for a job.

  325. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:45 pm

    And i just found out this 485 visa was introduced in 2008 so it is a Labor Party creation.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/graduate-visas-may-yet-prove-controversial-20130403-2h706.html

    IN THE first week of March, Julia Gillard promised ”to stop foreign workers being put at the front of the queue with Australian workers at the back”. Her speech in western Sydney provoked a testy and at times unsavoury national debate about whether temporary migrants on 457 visas were ”stealing Aussie jobs”.

    Fewer than three weeks later, the federal government quietly changed the rules of another visa in ways that will enable thousands more temporary migrants to work in Australia for up to four years…………..Introduced in 2008, the 485 visa was designed to allow international students graduating from Australian courses ”to gain skilled work experience or improve their English language skills

    The Labor Party can go to hell.

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:23 pm

    Nope, they are playing dog-whistle politics …

    Obviously, Kneel, has found a new word … in Germany, they say, hundepfeife … much more expressive …

    Why bust your guts for years to get a qualification and then find yourself competing with half the planet for a job.

    How do you know all this, Kneel, do you get your HSC this year?

    Best work training for young people (in the world) is actually McDonald’s … tip tho’ do not talk politics, do your flippin’ and fryin’ and just fk off home …

    BTW, life rarely works out the way YOU planned … enjoy 🙂

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:24 pm

    The Labor Party can go to hell.

    This is not the first tiemyou have used expressions like this, Kneel, it paints you as a catlik …

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:36 pm

    And i just found out this 485 visa was introduced in 2008 so it is a Labor Party creation.

    what’s the difference? If they don’t get a 485 visa they will only become one of the thousands of illegal visa over stayers that we have in this country anyway, something you libs also do not go into hysterical outrage about either. Tells a story in itself that 485s had to be introduced to encourage people to pay for an education at our esteemed academic institutions due to race based attacks, verbal and physical.

    Govt bribing people to study because aussie citizens are too ignorant and bigoted to behave decently toward them. The dog whistling of the howard era caused this national disgrace.

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:43 pm

    Thursday, 19 July 2012

    For the first time, India is Australia’s largest source of permanent migrants, the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, Chris Bowen MP, announced today.

    http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/cb/2012/cb188313.htm

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:45 pm

    Men have an insatiable appetite for love.

    Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Apparently insatiable “love” apetites cause them to attack women at every opportunity in public, in private and at work. Of course it’s not their own fault if they exhibit no self control whatsoever with their urges, fantasies, hatreds, jealousies and power trips.

  331. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:55 pm

    I agree Kitty, its pathetic, but in order to survive as a species it was necessary. Of course today we need a pill for men which takes their mind off it …. Soma is better than sex.

    TB here’s some recent numbers.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/india-leads-queue-for-ticket-here/story-fn9hm1gu-1226656528189

  332. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:10 pm

    “Now, if the prime minister is going to go and be able to announce for example that the government is going to give more support to accommodate people who are in Indonesia, well that would be a welcome outcome, and that would be something I would hope she would be able to achieve … But that of itself is not going to stop the boats.”

    Scott Morrison (Guardian)

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:12 pm

    Apparently insatiable “love” apetites cause them to attack women at every opportunity in public, in private and at work.

    Some, KL, in fact a minority …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ta, egg, funny tho’ that the Indian press got all uptight over Oz racism … and …

  334. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:33 pm

    Not all men, my man is a perfect gentleman.

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:53 pm

    One thing I believe … and instili in my my children and g/chidren .. there are no absolutes …

  336. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:54 pm

    ‘funny tho’ that the Indian press got all uptight over Oz racism ‘

    Yeah, that was also happening at the same time, bound to be a few hiccups.

  337. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:08 pm

    “…Not all men, my man is a perfect gentleman…”

    One thing I believe … and instili in my my children and g/chidren .. there are no absolutes …

    True TB, of course I was generalising above. Although when you think about it, someone could live with another for 20 yrs, think they are perfect gentlemen like [humph above] and women, yet still not know their deepest thoughts, what they get up to when away from them and what they are capable [and incapable] of. Some people don’t know themselves let alone others very well, spending a lifetime refusing to delve into the scary unknowns.

  338. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:25 pm

    AO,
    You scare and fascinate me, I feel I have been living in a box till I came across you. Your not a councillor by any chance?

  339. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:45 pm

    So what? I don’t have a problem with successful women making an impact.</i.

    Apparently not a problem with massive govt intervention in the free market either.

    But that of itself is not going to stop the boats.”
    Scott Morrison (Guardian)

    and neither will abbott, as david marr says, he’s lying, watch this excellent epsode of the drum [via iview from approx 2’10”]

    http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/39893

  340. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:51 pm

    Society needs a tablet to suppress testosterone, this might be saner than producing a ‘viagra’ for women. That’s still a couple of years away.

    —————
    A food bowl in the north is the future says Andrew Robb, its all about food security for the world.

    ‘The promise in agriculture – a top strength around the country – is obvious but particularly across the north where more than 60 per cent of our rain falls, but very little is captured and used. The CSIRO also has found that up to 17 million hectares across the north are potentially suitable for agriculture because of the region’s arable soil.

    ‘The development of a northern food bowl with an emphasis on premium quality can help us double the number of people we feed globally from 60 million to 120 million. In previous debates about the potential for a food bowl the key missing ingredient was the presence of a huge developing market on our door step. The percentage of the world’s middle class in our Asia-Pacific region is expected to explode from 28 per cent to 66 per cent by 2030, or more than three billion people. This will be the century of food security.’

  341. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:57 pm

    ‘Apparently not a problem with massive govt intervention in the free market either.’

    What ever do you mean?

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 9:35 pm

    And on that iview episode from 16’10” [please watch episode in full, it’s the best ever!] david marr & jonathon green address that stupid refugee convention re-writing for australia that egg linked. This seems to be an aussie variation of the bush era “we make our own reality” boasts. The conservatives asserting that they can just throw out all the rulebooks whenever they want to behave badly, make war, ignore global responsibilities and disregard conventions. Howard’s mob [abbott was a member remember] were attacking the UN human rights committee system way back then.

    Here’s the familiar weasel words of howard:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s169672.htm

    Your not a councillor by any chance?

    No, way too difficult, I think I’d be an alcoholic if I had to do that job!

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 9:40 pm

    AO aka Kittylitter

    I just read your post at 6.36PM. What are you actually trying to say??

    The ALP said 485’s had to be introduced to encourage students to come and study here. After govt funding was abolished, Universities get most of their money by charging fees and they get huge amounts of money from overseas students.

    So Labor dog whistles about the evil Howard bringing in 457’s. You know taking jobs from Australians but then bring in 485’s which you know, takes jobs from Australians.

    Do you not see the double standards???

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 9:55 pm

    What ever do you mean?

    …Northern Development is not a new idea, it’s an old, discredited one, brought to us by the same people who wanted to turn back the rivers and who wasted millions on the Ord River dam in the Kimberleys, then built an unneeded railway from Alice Springs to Darwin that has always run at a large loss…

    …It would not just give a few northern Australians big tax breaks the rest of us didn’t get, the rest of us would have to pay more to cover the cost of the scheme and endure infrastructure spending being diverted from where it was sorely needed to where it wasn’t.
    It would be the party of choice and free enterprise engaged in a massive exercise in social engineering…

    …For a government to decide it knows better and try to shift us to places we don’t want to live flies in the face of sound economics and would cause slower economic growth and less job creation overall…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/tropical-tax-zone-plan-destined-to-be-a-grand-failure-20130207-2e03z.html#ixzz2Wqp6v9df

  345. IPA permalink
    June 21, 2013 10:32 pm

    For the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Ross Gittins, but obviously for different reasons.

    By his history I know Gittins disagrees with everything the opposition does, therfore his antipathy to this idea. Had it been proposed by Labor instead, he would have crafted an argument in favour of its brilliance.

    My own problem with this is that it’s anti-free market government interventionism. If state gocernments want to offer tax breaks or other incentives to attract individuals or companies that’s fine by me. It’s the way federalism should work. If you’re not happy with the terms and conditions of the state youlive in you can always move to another. But, if your not happy with the hare-brained scheme the federal government has cooked up to entice more of the population to live in Crapperville … changing countries is not quite so easy.

  346. June 21, 2013 10:55 pm

    Well, if you want to go north someone one will have to build towns/cities and houses.
    As it’s a user pays world, no one could afford them.
    Government couldn’t do that.
    Industry won’t do that.
    Oh, well nice thought though.
    Fly in Fly out that where we are and that’s were we stay at the moment.
    If there was a better way it would have been done.

  347. IPA permalink
    June 21, 2013 11:06 pm

    In fact, the more I look at the party of Abbott, the more bemused I am. What with their paid parental leave; their “green” “army” to “fight” “global warming”; and this go-north central-plan. All those Abbott-wetterz who think Tony is some demonic right-wing zealot should take a chill pill. He’s a social democrat in all but name. He’s a disgrace.

  348. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2013 11:30 pm

    “One thing I believe … and instili in my my children and g/chidren .. there are no absolutes”

    There are lots of absolutes. One is that an ALP supporter will always try and demonise someone they disagree with rather than argue the case.

    Another absolute is that Labor always trashes the budget. Never fails.

    Labor always plays politics with issues. ALP supporters follow the team rather than principle.

    Labor supporters continuously tell falsehoods.

    And i could go on.

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2013 11:36 pm

    Bait and switch [John Quiggin]

    http://johnquiggin.com/2013/03/02/bait-and-switch-3/comment-page-1/#comments

    …But the suggestion of special tax treatment for businesses located in one part of the country rather than another is the worst kind of distortion[2], the public policy equivalent of receiving stolen goods…

  350. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 7:04 am

    I also agree that having special tax zones is loopy and not to be encouraged. The best way forward for northern development is to have it funded by cashed up new immigrants, similar to O’Farrell’s Waratah Bonds.

  351. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 7:12 am

    This story is from last month, but it gives an example of how Abbott will probably proceed.

    ‘The NSW government thought it would take four years to raise $200 million via its Waratah bond issue, but it has taken just five months, thanks to wealthy Chinese seeking ­Australian residency.

    ‘The windfall for NSW is part of the federal government’s newly introduced Significant Investor Visa (SIV), which grants permanent residency to those willing to invest $5 million in approved Australian assets. Since the scheme opened in late November, 279 invitations have been issued by the Commonwealth, equating to $1.3 billion in commitments Australia-wide. There are expectations the new visa class, ­similar to those on offer in Canada and the US, could raise $5 billion annually.’

    Greggs and Murray in the Fin Review

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2013 10:14 am

    There are lots of absolutes.

    Proved my point again, Kneel … and we all know you can certainly “go on” …

  353. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 10:48 am

    Mike Carlton is a turncoat, wants her to quit.

    ‘Prime Minister … you are leading your government and your party to an electoral defeat of unprecedented disaster.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/with-regret-gillard-must-go-for-nations-sake-20130621-2onnn.html#ixzz2WtxBj2Hl

    Its so unfair, for dog’s sake leave her alone, for the good of the country.

  354. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 11:14 am

    ‘THE Age newspaper in Melbourne has called on Julia Gillard to resign from the prime ministership before the September 14 election and accept she has failed as leader.

    ‘The editorial said she must step down now in the interests of her party, the nation and for democracy.’

    AAP

    Hate media is bent on eliminating our princess…. its a disgrace.

  355. Hummmph permalink
    June 22, 2013 11:17 am

    Who gives newspaper editors the right to give marching orders to polies?
    That’s our right, us voters.

  356. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 11:30 am

    Exactly hum, its a mess. When shady characters like Craig Thomson say they’ll support a Rudd government you know democracy has gone to the dogs.

  357. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2013 11:38 am

    I am sure the lefties will try and say Murdoch is behind all this.

    Mike Carlton must be a Murdoch plant.

  358. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:07 pm

    The PM is politically savvy, she could bring on a spill and not re-contest. Instead throwing her weight behind Gary Gray for PM, upsetting the Rudd push.

    In the aftermath, our princess will give up her safe seat and wander the world stage with Tim, jobs galore for a staunch feminist rolled by hate media.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2013 5:54 pm

    Mike Carlton must be a Murdoch plant.

    Nah, just another weed in the veggie garden of “journalists” …

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2013 7:32 pm

    1979

    Just another “isolated” case the catliks missed, hey, georgey pell …

    THE victims of a serial child molester, a Catholic school teacher, say the church and
    school authorities knew of the abuse – and did nothing to stop it.

    The Catholic Church a breeding ground for peodophiles … if this prick had even whispered in my daughter’s ear … he would now be talking with a VERY squeaky voice (or not at all) … AND …

    So would the principal … whatever fkn gender!

  361. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2013 4:13 pm

    “One thing I believe … and instill in my my children and g/children .. there are no absolutes”

    Absolutely!

    “Bait and switch [John Quiggin]”

    Quiggin’s MO is actually ‘masturbate and bitch’. The linked comment from him is completely unhinged. I thought he had academic pretensions, he comes across as a second-rate student politician.

  362. IPA permalink
    June 23, 2013 4:57 pm

    “he comes across as a second-rate student politician”

    It’s not even a surprise that under this disgusting government Quiggin is a member of the Climate Change Authority. 🙄

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2013 5:18 pm

    Absolutely!

    But you don’t really mean that, sb … 😉

    BTW don’t we have CC fred … every fred here is honkin’ on about Climate Chnage FFS!

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