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Rostrum: Winter Solstice Edition!

June 21, 2013

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Hello,

Good afternoon and welcome to our end of the working week, dissolve into the weekend open discussion forum.

Is Julia Gillard still the Prime Minister?

If so, why?

Meanwhile in other news, the burning issue on everyone’s lips is “who will be the speaker of house” in an Abbott Government?

Whose Hair will Get the Chair?

The word on the street is that there’s fierce competition between Kevin “Grecian 2000” Andrews and Bronwyn “Peroxide Blonde bouffant bombshell” Bishop..

The choice between these two outrageous colourful characters is a difficult one…

Who do you think should get the chair?

 

 

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128 Comments leave one →
  1. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 4:58 pm

    Gary Gray is positioning himself to become Opposition leader, assuming he squeaks over the line in September.

  2. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:01 pm

    Well, he is originaly from Whyalla, not wiped out yet.

  3. Hummmph permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:04 pm

    Lyn Breuer the ex SA speaker is from Whyalla, she’s been wiped from speakers chair, whyalla must be a breeding ground for speakers, just saying.

  4. June 21, 2013 5:13 pm

    Catching Up hasn’t been on the blogosphere today…

    Is it dialysis day at the hospital…?

    It’s just not the same… *sigh*

  5. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:38 pm

    I reckon Kevin Andrews will get the Chair

    I mean what is there not to like about a bloke who looks like he keeps spiders as pets.

  6. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:39 pm

    “Is it dialysis day at the hospital…?”

    She’s so full of shit I reckon her colostomy bag finally split

  7. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 5:40 pm

    The gate keep at the cafe has allowed me in. Nice crowd, robust conversation, might have a word with scaper.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:16 pm

    The choice between these two outrageous colourful characters is a difficult one…

    No its not … who gives a shit?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … might have a word with scaper … at you own peril. egg … 🙄

  9. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 6:34 pm

    Only there 10 minutes until someone spotted me and I was thrown out.

  10. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:31 pm

    Did I just imagine I was thrown out? I find myself still inside as if I had never left.

  11. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 7:47 pm

    In fact I was thrown out and then reinstated, now the gatekeeper tells me to piss off yet again.

  12. egg permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:19 pm

    Anyhoo… the workers are sabotaging the means of production?

    ‘The Yallourn Power Station in the Latrobe Valley, in eastern Victoria, has been shut down after a fire broke out this morning, and coincides with management’s decision to lockout workers indefinitely.

    ‘The station supplies 25 per cent of Victoria’s electricity.’

    ABC News

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:43 pm

    Kevin Andrews and Tim use the same shade of hair colour.

    Doesn’t it make them both appear youthful!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:52 pm

    I’ve just finished the David Sedaris book – Let’s Explore Diabetes with Owls. He really is funny and entertaining. Much like the blog owner here.

    I think it is time for reb to select the best threads he has written and publish them.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2013 8:56 pm

    …and while I was surfing today, there was a chap from the south coast of NSW out there. He was quite good, but odd. He was shouting at the waves. In my opinion, the waves were quite good, and didn’t deserve his rebuking and I’m not even sure they speak English anyway.

    I think his habit is probably peculiar to the NSW south coast.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2013 10:16 am

    Typical Mexican, ToM … he was probably talking to himself … its all the knocks to the head surfers get, as you would know of course … 🙂

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:15 pm

    Fairfax now wants her out, so does Mike Carlton and the majority of the population. So what’s she still doing in the job?

    Gillard is now putting her personal ambition in front of her political party. She has been a dud leader, and that has nothing to do with her gender, it is simply that she has demonstrated for over a decade that she has poor judgment and no ethics.

    Politicians can sometimes survive with one or the other, but if they are without both ethics and judgement, they’re doomed.

    Gillard is likely to increase her vote among public servants, particularly female ones. All other demographics will turn on her.
    ——————————-

    I’m careful TB, and there’s plenty of scar tissue on my head from all the previous knocks.

    On holidays people here don’t talk too much about politics though, too much else to do-
    s/2013/03/Surf-Bali-Uluwatu-Landscape.jpg

    For HD, this is where you paddle out!

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:18 pm

    The first one didn’t copy, try this one!

  19. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:24 pm

    ‘Gillard is now putting her personal ambition in front of her political party.’

    She has an exit strategy in place.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:34 pm

    An exit strategy!! What, decimation, oblivion, leading her troops over the cliff?

    Gillard is demonstrating her tin ear. She is blinkered and dishonest, a political disaster. A feminist who has set the feminist cause back a decade.

    Watch her blame everyone else, either by her colleagues or when the electorate sates its blood lust.

    One thing is certain though, Gillard will never accept that her failure is due to her own character flaws.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:40 pm

    I see Erin’s Back at CW. NO doubt Tom R will shortly be alleging that she’s me. Perhaps Miglo can check the ipaddress and identify that she’s in Australia.

    Then we can call Tom R a proven bulls**t artist, yet again.

  22. el gordo permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:41 pm

    Even without your dot points you make a good argument ToM and I agree, but if Rudd returns and manages to stitch up a minority government after the election … then it will be a poison chalice.

  23. Hummmph permalink
    June 22, 2013 12:53 pm

    She has an exit strategy in place.

    What’s that? Blame the faceless men? I’ve had a better offer, so I’m off? I want to spend more time with my family?

  24. el gordo permalink
    June 22, 2013 1:01 pm

    ‘What’s that?’

    Falling on her sword.

  25. el gordo permalink
    June 22, 2013 1:11 pm

    Here’s a list of possible futures for jools as seen through the eyes of Sportsbet punters.

    Write her biography 1.60

    Marry Tim Mathieson 2.50

    Start her own political party 9.00

    Host her own political affairs program 10.00

    Join the board of Slater & Gordon 13.00

    Emigrate to another country 21.00

    Suit jacket model for Versace 34.00

    Become a contestant on Dancing with the Stars 41.00

    Official Kevin Rudd spokeswoman 81.00

    Launch a singing career 151.00

    Become a hairdresser 501.00

  26. Hummmph permalink
    June 22, 2013 1:28 pm

    I’ll pick no 3, but what would she call her party?

    Gillards feminist party

    I hate tony Abbott party

    I hate Kevin Rudd party

    School teachers rule party

    How is women for Gillard going? Any body heard?

    el gordo, are you egg? Sorry for asking but I’m just trying to keep up.

  27. IPA permalink
    June 22, 2013 1:42 pm

    Elocution teacher 1,000,001.00

  28. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 1:56 pm

    ‘el gordo, are you egg? Sorry for asking but I’m just trying to keep up.’

    That’s the other me.

  29. Hummmph permalink
    June 22, 2013 2:24 pm

    Cheers, el egg.

  30. June 22, 2013 2:40 pm

    “Much like the blog owner here.”

    That’s very nice of you Tom.. 🙂

  31. IPA permalink
    June 22, 2013 3:10 pm

    Fishwife 1.90

  32. egg permalink
    June 22, 2013 3:49 pm

    Scaper has finally twigged to the fact that AIMN is a ‘mirror image’ of the cafe… and questions the absence of dissenting voices.

    He doesn’t know there is a general ban in place and he’ll be kept in the dark.

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2013 4:09 pm

    Whinging bogan 1.01

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2013 5:51 pm

    I’m careful TB, and there’s plenty of scar tissue on my head from all the previous knocks.

    While I am pleased that you look after yourself, ToM, I must advise you that some of your posts are reflective of earlier accidents and probably irreperable cognitive and certainly intellectual acuity damage.

    Sure signs are … a repetitive vocabulary and a tendency to utilise dot points at every opportunity when posting on blogs …

    Condolences, old son …

  35. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 10:08 am

    Climate Change Minister accused of double dealing….

    “It’s all crap. Just designed to put pressure on people to flush them out,” he said.

    “People say all this shit. I don’t give a f … ”

  36. Hummmph permalink
    June 23, 2013 11:55 am

    Combet, all class

  37. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 12:30 pm

    The heat is on.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2013 1:11 pm

    This is not the sign of a united party

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-and-kevin-rudd-set-for-showdown-next-week/story-fn59niix-1226668264371

    “COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy will refuse to serve on the frontbench if Kevin Rudd is successful in wresting the prime ministership from Julia Gillard.”

    Garret has said the same thing.

    And they still get 45% of the 2PP.

  39. Hummmph permalink
    June 23, 2013 1:46 pm

    The only way I can see labor uniting is if they pick someone other than Rudd or Gillard.

    Having said that unless half of them are kicked out at the election, I can’t see much changing anyway.
    Only thing that seems obvious is that a lot of voters don’t want Gillard.
    I guess she is popular in her own seat, so as she said ” I’ll be back”
    If Rudd is re elected its status quo.

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    What amazes me is that a party so divided still commands respect of 45% of the population. And they tell lies.

    Labors big promise in 2007 was an NBN costing $4.7B and be finished in 5 years. Meaning it should have been finished last year. If Howard had promised something like that and failed to deliver the abuse would have been deafening.

  41. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 2:45 pm

    According to Ron Boswell, retiring senator, its the cost of energy sending manufacturing offshore. That’s true but its also labour costs, which the senator gave a wide berth.

    “This week, it was Simplot sending out a warning shot that its food manufacturing plants in Bathurst and Devonport are on the brink,” he said. “Their energy costs have risen 80 per cent. “Last week, it was SPC Ardmona saying that unless it received emergency safeguards, more of its jobs would go. Its energy costs have risen. It is struggling to compete with home brand imports.”

    “Last month, it was farmers up in Bundaberg saying they couldn’t afford to turn on irrigation pumps. The cost of electricity to pump water to their farms is set to jump 17.5 per cent a year for the next seven years.

    “And we have already seen Heinz move its food processing operations to New Zealand, where it is 50 per cent cheaper to do business. Golden Circle closed its Northgate facility, costing 160 jobs, while Rosella closed all together,” he said.

  42. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 2:49 pm

    ‘The only way I can see labor uniting is if they pick someone other than Rudd or Gillard.’

    They need a nuggety man who can roll up his sleeves and go to work, someone who will sell his principles for political advantage.

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 23, 2013 2:59 pm

    In the past Australia had a competitive advantage in cheap energy. It allowed manufacturing (non labour intensive) to remain competitive.

    That’s now lost. Watch energy intensive aluminium smelting disappear, when domestic smelters close, the emissio
    ns are just exported.

  44. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 3:46 pm

    The cost of doing business across the gap, in the land of the long white cloud, is more lucrative than here because of the high dollar, high labour costs and a pernicious tax on energy.

  45. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 4:11 pm

    In the UK they have similar problems.

    ‘If our MPs had decided that rather than vote in the Climate Change Act they should instead award themselves salaries of £1 million a year, we would still all be £17.6 billion per annum better off – and with cheaper energy and more efficient business to boot.

    ‘Sadly our political debate – thanks most especially to the dominance of the BBC – has been so spavined and corrupted by the values of the left that not even a politician as honest, outspoken and fearless as Nigel Farage feels he can dare make this point.’

    James Delingpole

  46. public toilet permalink
    June 23, 2013 4:56 pm

    Spalftons…

    Secivreslairubdrawohnhoj

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2013 5:15 pm

    Its fkn RAINING again! It’s not supposed to rain in winter in Brisbane! 🙄

    So you’re off to NZ, I see, egg … I’ll be in Qtown in August, we could catch up 😯 for a latte … 😉

  48. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 5:26 pm

    BoM is predicting the next three months across all Australia will be wet, so yer better off out of here.

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2013 7:40 pm

    Not sure a caption competition exploiting a small child is the best way to generate political humiliation for Tony Abbott … poor taste, methinks, someone is really not on the ball at CW … very tasteless …

    And not one comment re the above from 70 posters … from both sides of politics …

    Wonder who the child’s parents are and what they might think … and their lawyer of course … 🙂

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2013 7:41 pm

    BoM is predicting the next three months across all Australia will be wet, so yer better off out of here.

    Yeah, egg, only -20C in Qtown … 😯

  51. egg permalink
    June 23, 2013 7:57 pm

    Over at that place Erin has self banned in disgust, but Red is putting up a reasonable fight against some of the vile creatures that lurk there.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 23, 2013 9:15 pm

    CW has descended into a low brow parody of a political blog.

    So many contributors are insulted for no reason other than offering a challenging alternative, Tom R regularly, with ad hoc support from Adrian ad Miglo, speculates about their motives and even suggest that some are my sock puppets!

    When their intelligence fails them, as it regularly does, they retreat to conspiracies and speculation about contributors.

    The only one they routinely tolerate is that complete dimwit oddball, scaper. But even his intelligence is sufficient to allow him to correct the spelling of Catching Up.

    Dumb, low brow and a site has sunk to the use of children to slag off at Abbott.

  53. public toilet permalink
    June 23, 2013 9:59 pm

    NASTY, dimwit, oddball.

  54. public toilet permalink
    June 23, 2013 10:00 pm

    Really shit waves @ Bells & Jan Juc, today.

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 23, 2013 10:20 pm

    You’re at Bells? I was up at dawn surfing clean 4ft waves in 30 degree water.

    Though Bells or Winki would probably be nice too.

  56. Hummmph permalink
    June 23, 2013 10:23 pm

    Things to do in Q’town NZ
    EAT, 100 eating places with cuisine from around the world, can’t rate highly enough.

    Helicopter flight over the alps, land at Milford sound, walk around, land on west coast beach, collect some pretty blue shells, then find out you can’t bring them back to oz, fly on and land on glazier, then continue on to some valley and have the pilot serve lovely picnic and convince him not to shoot the possum, cause they are cute, not a pest.

    Queenstown , 10/10

  57. June 24, 2013 7:37 am

    “someone is really not on the ball at CW … very tasteless …”

    It’s become a very bitter place over there so it doesn’t really surprise me.

  58. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 9:03 am

    “[Edward] Snowden is charged with three federal crimes: theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information, and willful communication of classified communications information with an unauthorized party … Note that the second and third charges both require the feds to prove that Snowden’s release of information to the press was harmful to the United States. This puts our government in the position of attempting to prove that it is harmful to release accurate information about how it is spying on us, and how it is misleading us about spying on us. Espionage charges usually describe someone with classified information leaking that information to powers hostile to the United States government. We, the people, are those hostile powers.”

  59. egg permalink
    June 24, 2013 9:04 am

    ‘The bills being rammed through the Senate by Labor and the Greens this week are the tail ends of a massive shift in power to the unions, which has resulted in a marked up-tick in union militancy.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/gillard-held-firm-in-union-grasp-20130623-2oqkd.html#ixzz2X5EYLNhD

  60. June 24, 2013 9:12 am
  61. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 9:49 am

    Dr Helen Smith: 8 Reasons Straight Men Don’t Want To Get Married

  62. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 9:57 am

    ‘The question of whether Barack Obama’s second term will be a failure was answered in the affirmative before his Berlin debacle, which has recast the question, which now is: Will this term be silly, even scary in its detachment from reality?

    ‘Before Berlin, Obama set his steep downward trajectory by squandering the most precious post-election months on gun-control futilities and by a subsequent storm of scandals that have made his unvarying project — ever bigger, more expansive, more intrusive and more coercive government — more repulsive. Then came Wednesday’s pratfall in Berlin … Obama’s vanity is a wonder of the world that never loses its power to astonish, but really: Is everyone in his orbit too lost in raptures of admiration to warn him against delivering a speech soggy with banalities and bromides in a city that remembers John Kennedy’s “Ich bin ein Berliner” and Ronald Reagan’s “Tear down this wall”?’

  63. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 10:47 am

    On the other hand, gays want to get married …

  64. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 10:48 am

    Go, Edward Snowden!

  65. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 10:50 am

    Shit waves again today…& so many of the Victorian subspecies; a veritable plague of them.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2013 10:58 am

    “Go, Edward Snowden!”

    He’s gone. To Russia, then Cuba and Venezuela.

    Outing massive unconstitutional information gathering is admirable.

    Taking that information and delivering it to unfriendly countries gives the Yanks every right to go after him.

  67. June 24, 2013 12:47 pm

    For ToSY and Snacty…

    N PICTURES: Amazing shots of one of China’s newly built ghost cities. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/06/21/photos_ghost_city_chenggong_china

  68. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 1:09 pm

    Thanks for that reb. Central planning at work. Build it, they will come. Maybe, perhaps.

  69. June 24, 2013 1:11 pm

    I thought you’d find it interesting Tony…

    Interestingly enough, that sort of development is not exclusive to China, there’s a derelict housing estate near the KL airport in Malaysia that lies empty too…

  70. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 1:32 pm

    Maybe, just maybe, whistleblowers can’t seek sanctuary in so-called ‘friendly’ countries because those countries are complicit with US malfeasance?
    They are virtually guaranteed to bend over to Uncle Sam’s every whim. Ensuring that Snowden would be ultimately returned, sans scrutiny.

    Whistleblowing should be lauded & encouraged. Without the implied pressure of public awareness, the uberpowerful start to think that anything is permissible under the guise of national security.

  71. June 24, 2013 1:41 pm

    Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the cafe is not so much a “cafe” anymore but something more akin to a backroom brawl of retired meth heads from the Australian Countrywomen’s Association Penrith branch?

    Just sayin’…

  72. egg permalink
    June 24, 2013 1:49 pm

    Nobody appears to be running the show and the gatekeepers are uncertain who is banned.

    Its simply chaos.

  73. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 1:51 pm

    “So, why has the US government invested hundreds of billions of high technology in these ventures? …The fundamental reason however is the US government’s reluctance to make and stand behind judgments about who, specifically, may be legitimate targets of investigation. If collection is universal, the collectors don’t have to explain to others (or even to themselves) why they are targeting this person or group and not another. Possessing the data in secret, they can then decide in secret who they are really interested in. That flight from responsibility is also why, in 1978, the intelligence agencies pressed Congress to pass the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), under which the agencies submit their requests for detailed targeting, in secret, to a court that decides ex parte and in secret.”

  74. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 1:56 pm

    Rumsfeld/Cheney bear a lot of the responsibility for winding that shit back.
    And, of course, all subsequent admins will exploit it.

    I’d love to argue about this, but not on a fkn smartphone.

    Did I mention that the surf is shit again today.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2013 4:17 pm

    On the other hand, gays want to get married …

    Not quite, ToSY, but close … they want the RIGHT to get married … just a tad different! 🙂

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2013 4:27 pm

    He’s gone. To Russia, then Cuba and Venezuela.

    Just a reminder that all is not rosy in the world even if we want it to be … the names of the countries that, sb, points out above AND the fact that he “was” in Hong Kong … sorta indicates that the use of the word treason is not misplaced … however you see it, I’d sooner Obama, Cameron and even Gillard/Abbott to Putin …

    People like us are invariably the ones who suffer … and if you think ‘tother lot aren’t intercepting comms … you are very, very, naive …

    Speaking of comms intercepts … I highly recommend a new series on ABC The Bletchley Girls … very clever concept …

  77. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 4:52 pm

    “they want the RIGHT to get married … just a tad different!”

    So confusing … 😐

  78. June 24, 2013 5:02 pm

    “So confusing … ”

    Not really…

    Perhaps, “they would like the OPTION to be able to get married…”

    Does that help?

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2013 5:14 pm

    Chuckle … even, ToSY don’t get it! 😆

  80. June 24, 2013 5:32 pm

    Is he dead yet?

    #mandela

  81. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 5:54 pm

    I’m not naive, TB.

    Of course I assume that the ‘others’ are also intercepting comma; those with the capability at least (not all of the countries listed).
    The difference, as I see it, is that the ‘evils’ of the others are widely publicised, but rarely disputed…whereas we are supposed to swallow all of the holier than thou rhetoric from self declared bastions of ‘freedom’ such as the US. Now, assimilating their protestations of innocent intent would be naive.

    I reiterate, Whistleblowing is essential for healthy, accountable government.
    There should be much more of it. Pleading national security is a predictable, evasive cop out.

  82. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 5:56 pm

    * fkn, comms…not comma…fkn smrtphn

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2013 6:02 pm

    Giggle …

    Toilette, didn’t mean you, were naive … just an expression … as for checking civvie comms no probs really … but military comms is different …

    And my opinion of Assange is unchanged a self centred, egotist who doesn’t give a FF about anyone but himself …

    (why do I have a wiggly line under centred – should it be centered … FMD!)

  84. egg permalink
    June 24, 2013 6:12 pm

    They have discovered that our young people don’t value democracy as much as Indians.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/minority-young-australians-prefer-democracy

  85. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 6:12 pm

    Western Whistleblowing is shunned, victimised even, by Western democracies.
    Hence the tendency for such types to seek asylum in places such as Ecuador, via Cuba.

    The powers that be, globally, resent unwanted scrutiny of their ‘less than selfless’ shadowy decision making. Supposedly, we elect them to represent our best interests. I fail to see how unconstrained data interception & collection fits that criteria.

  86. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 6:17 pm

    I accept that the other countries involved get a thrill out of pissing off the US, in these incidents; revel in it even.

    Generally, those other countries have historically credible rationales for spurning Uncle Sam. Like it or not.

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2013 6:29 pm

    Snowden did good by outing Obama’s flagrant flouting of the US constitution. Doing that is patriotic and decent.

    However, I don’t understand what is to be gained by publishing large amounts of data. Doing that injures your own country and helps its enemies. Selective release of material which is evidence of criminality on the part of the government makes sense. Indiscriminate data dumps don’t.

    I agree with TB about Assange.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2013 6:40 pm

    I fail to see how unconstrained data interception & collection fits that criteria.

    If everybody gave a peace a chance I’d agree with you … most people are pacific but threaten thier families and many (not all) will change … the world just happens to be a rotten place, generally run by arseholes … but I prefer democratic arsholes to diktat aresholes (ie Putin et al) …

    sb, answered your question … Doing that injures your own country and helps its enemies

    Problem for the good guys is that while you know you are a good guy … you’ve no idea (really) that I am too … and the governments (of all colours) have millions of me’s … 🙂

  89. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 7:12 pm

    None of them are as good as they’d have us believe. None of them.
    So, ‘good guys’ depends upon your point of reference.

    Also, I reject the notion that I adopt default enemies on behalf of my country. I was born here, I don’t acquiesce to being generic state property because chance smiled upon me.

    Anyone who is brave enough to expose things on such a large scale knows they will incur the wrath & spend the rest of their days hunted. The big boys never forgive having their machinations laid bare. It wouldn’t matter which country they hid in, arrived at or travelled through.

    The US only pretends to have higher ideals. It regularly suborns them as exceptionalist opportunism dictates.

    I have some sympathy for splurter’s point regarding indiscriminate dumping of reams of ill gotten (by the government, not the whistleblower) information. Shining a light on the intrusion is probably enough…but, if the exposure isn’t detailed, the overlords are likely to get away with dismissing the leak as lacking credibility & substance.

  90. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 7:18 pm

    I can separate the importance of a vessel like wikileaks from the individual/martyr/icon/egomaniac of Assange.
    While also keeping in mind that his associations & actions have set loose the (entirely predictable) mother of all smear campaigns against him; primarily designed to damage the institution of wikileaks by association.

    Focussing on Assange is precisely what the powerful want from us. Far better than the plebs paying attention to what is being leaked; and why.

  91. public toilet permalink
    June 24, 2013 7:20 pm

    Some of PIAundress’ link above was noteworthy.

  92. IPA permalink
    June 24, 2013 9:21 pm

    Sarah Ferguson on 4 Corners thinks it’s wrong that western companies buy clothing from the 5,000 factories in Dakar, Bangladesh (where the garment industry is the biggest export earner, and the majority of the population live in poverty) because the workers are paid wages of between $2 and $3 a day, and safety is appalling. Question: Does Sarah think the people who work there would be better off, or worse off, if these companies stopped doing business there?

  93. egg permalink
    June 25, 2013 8:22 am

    This has the appearance of the American system, where people from the same party attack each other to see who is best to lead.

    ‘IF Kevin Rudd is to reclaim the Labor leadership and engineer an election campaign he can win, he needs to become the anti-Labor Labor candidate.’

    van Onselen in the Oz

  94. Hummmph permalink
    June 25, 2013 8:27 am

    Looks like its a fizzer, as usual it appears Rudd is all show and no action.
    So looks as if we do get to vote her out after all.

  95. egg permalink
    June 25, 2013 10:11 am

    This is good nooze for my side Hum….

    Normally at this time of day I would be chortling over comments by Walrus, perhaps the stock market slide has kept him busy.

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 25, 2013 10:19 am

    Over at the Cafe, they don’t like Rudd. I thought Labor supporters liked Rudd. he certainly would give them a poll boost.

    They seem to have got over the fact that Gillard knifed Rudd. But if Rudd knifed Gillard, that would be a great crime.

  97. Hummmph permalink
    June 25, 2013 10:28 am

    Where’s Wally?

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2013 11:19 am

    … perhaps the stock market slide has kept him busy.

    Coupled with the very serious fixed interest losses we are suffering this week something is definitely wrong in the world of Uber Kapitalism … I reiterate the GFC is NOT over … and history DOES repeat itself …

    The mining industry in Oz is dying as well … quickly … I get daily news from next door and the poor bugger expects the chop himself every day!

    I repeat, signs of nationalism (and there are many) are dangerous …

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2013 11:20 am

    Didn’t, Wally, mention going away somewhere?

  100. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2013 11:40 am

    I’m here.

    Just gazing through the window from time to time.

    Cant bear to look at the ASX Egg, otherwise I’d OD on aspirin LOL. Just very very very busy doing emails to clients on superannuation and tax requirements prior to 30 June.

    Usual stuff for this time of year. Open last year’s email. Change amounts and dates then send it to same clients as last year.

    Then send them an invoice later LOL

  101. IPA permalink
    June 25, 2013 11:46 am

    Michele O’Neil, National Secretary of the Textile Clothing and Footwear Union appeared on Radio National this morning to try to shame Australian clothing retailers into ceasing their business with Bangladesh factories, and give it instead to her well paid Australian members express her solidarity with Bangladeshi clothing workers.

  102. egg permalink
    June 25, 2013 11:51 am

    ‘and history DOES repeat itself …’

    History repeats, in that we have economic cycles, but the social ramifications are different because of the different players and circumstances.

    For example, in the 1930s Goebbels gave Germans cheap radios and with propaganda he produced WW2.

    These days the communications revolution has created successful uprisings and hopefully stable democracies. At the same time Obama reserves the right, as the world’s policeman, to drone anybody they suspect may become another Hitler.

    I have no problem with this.

  103. egg permalink
    June 25, 2013 11:53 am

    ‘Cant bear to look at the ASX Egg,’

    Yeah, bear markets are not pretty.

  104. June 25, 2013 12:51 pm

    “Just gazing through the window from time to time.”

    I didn’t know you got a job in the public service…

  105. IPA permalink
    June 25, 2013 1:14 pm

    This video gives a good explanation of how everyone involved – from the factory worker to the end consumer – benefits from transactions like those taking place between western retailers and Bangladeshi garment manufacturers.

  106. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2013 1:15 pm

    Dear Oh Dear…………….

    The Cafe is a shambles these days. Lots of “trolls” getting through the door and Catching Up has made a call to arms for all ALP supporters to “relearn the hate”

    Whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean.

    The whole joint resembles an university undergrad coffee shop with lots of sniping going on.

    Which begs the question. Have we all mellowed over here ?

    “Bring Back the Biff”

  107. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2013 1:29 pm

    Looks like Gillard will stay PM

    Rudd flying to China on Thursday apparently

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 25, 2013 1:30 pm

    “relearn the hate”

    They have, but they’ve got it focussed on Rudd and the half caucus that support him!

    There they are advocating support for a party that can’t even figure out how to organise itself. The chances are that each of those welfare recipients will vote for an MP they despise.

  109. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 25, 2013 1:44 pm

    Perhaps the ALP should just bite the bullet and expel Rudd and kiss their only hope in Qld goodbye.

    If he survives the election he’ll just be a pain in the arse to them for another 3 years

  110. June 25, 2013 1:58 pm

    “relearn the hate”

    What even is that?

  111. egg permalink
    June 25, 2013 3:25 pm

    ‘What even is that?’

    It resembles an oxymoron.

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2013 3:42 pm

    … but the social ramifications are different because of the different players and circumstances

    Do they?*** 🙄

    ***multi sarc alert … 😆

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2013 3:46 pm

    Then send them an invoice later LOL

    For doing wha-a-a-at? 🙄

    Which begs the question. Have we all mellowed over here ?

    Oh! and get fucked! 🙂

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 25, 2013 3:59 pm

    ‘What even is that?’

    McTernan’s latest talking point. If that fails then all that is left is to drink the kool-aid and die with the leader.

  115. June 25, 2013 4:00 pm
  116. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2013 4:06 pm

    McTernan’s latest talking point

    Are you serious?

  117. IPA permalink
    June 25, 2013 4:08 pm

    McTernan’s latest talking point: Knit one, pearl one.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2013 4:12 pm

    Does McTernan wear a kilt, claymore, dirk and bonnet?

    I’ve read somewhere that he could be a Liberal mole … 😉

  119. IPA permalink
    June 25, 2013 4:17 pm

    “I’ve read somewhere that he could be a Liberal mole …”

    That might be correct. Everything he’s advised Gillard to do has been exactly wrong.

  120. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2013 12:08 pm

    Oh Dear ……………..how embarrassing.

    Don’t you just hate it when you continually put up banners on ya website telling the users they are going to be over the coming months greeted by a new look, revamped, easier to use website. It’s going to be a website without peer amongst all other Federal Government websites.

    Then in its first hour up it crashes in a screaming heap.

    Welcome to the Australian Taxation Office website this morning.

    With 3 days left of the financial year

  121. Hummmph permalink
    June 26, 2013 12:20 pm

    I rang the tax office help line once, a guy in Perth office answered, he couldn’t help me cause they had a new computer system and he was denied access. He said , I’ll ask the guy next to me, but oh dear he was denied access. He said ill transfer you to another dept, he thought he had put me on hold, but, he hadn’t, I could hear him chatting to someone else in the office complaining about new system. Eventually he told me they also had a new phone system and couldn’t manage to transfer me, so could I please hang up, then ring tax office again and hopefully some one else would answer my call.
    Just saying.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2013 12:40 pm

    Welcome to the Australian Taxation Office website this morning. With 3 days left of the financial year

    The ATO is full of dopey pricks with degrees and no work experience … generally noice dopey pricks but dopey …

    Only public servants would revamp a website just before EoFY …

    In 16 years of business we had the ATO argue the toss with us four times … The Minister, was my Business Manager but she IS a book-keeper by trade and a bloody good one … she received not one apology … but four!

    The classic was the sale of our car to my son … we got a letter from Tasmania! (Bought and sold in Qld, remember) Wanted to know why we hadn’t paid tax on the sale … answer because it wasn’t part of the business – never claimed vehicles … BUT a letter from Feds inTassie about a car sale in Qld? When I told our accountant she just looked at me with wide eyes … “yes”, I said, “that’s what I thought … the state and Fed computers are really linked, now”

    Oh! BTW, Wally, get fucked! 😉

  123. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2013 12:40 pm

    LOL ……………..That’s interesting Hummmmph.

    What kind of idiot in the ATO would decide that 3 days out from the end of financial year would be a great time to introduce a new computer AND phone system ?

  124. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 26, 2013 12:41 pm

    “Oh! BTW, Wally, get fucked! ”

    Save it until around 9:45pm tonight LOL

  125. IPA permalink
    June 27, 2013 4:02 pm

    “If a court’s decision is not what Erdogan or his clan wants then the judges sitting to hear that particular case are replaced by those who will have the decisions the prime minister wants.

    “Failing that, AKP having a majority in the parliament will pass a law overnight to overrule the decision reached by the judiciary. Unfortunately, this has become a common practice of the government.

    “Erdogan must be stopped. His autocratic governing practices ignore one of the fundamentals of democracy: rule of law.”

    Protests in Turkey: a lawyer’s experience

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2013 5:33 pm

    Missed your 12:41 post …

    So … Oh! BTW, Wally, get fucked! (on both counts – 57/45 and 26/6) 😆

    QUEENSLANDER!

  127. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2013 5:58 pm

    Apparently Nelson Mandela is on Life Support according to something I read.

    At least this time I can believe it when I read someone was on Life Support this time. There’s alot of fucking attention seeking bullshit artists who get around the blogosphere ya know.

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