Will Rudd’s Rise Trigger a Coalition Leadership Spill?

Go Malcolm!

That would really fuck off the Abbottlickers (hey, snacty?)…

Worth the price of admission for that alone.

Seriously doubt that that will happen though…unless, Abbott is continually battered by Rudd in the polls (possible, a lot of the electorate are repulsed by smug, biblical pricks) over a protracted period.

* fingers crossed! fuck Abbott with a clawhammer

I may even vote for the Coalition, if Malcolm was their hood ornament, purely because I know it would shit genuine social conservatives off (just about everything except jesus shits them off anyway).

Its complex, this coalition of city slickers and country folk.

So 80% of Labor voters ‘backed Mr Turnbull as Liberal leader’

He’s Labor Lite

Stephen Smith said this on Meet The Press June 23

http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/2013/06/23/minister-for-defence-meet-the-press-2/

“BRENDAN NICHOLSON: Minister, just back on to politics – there have been suggestions that you might not actually contest your seat in the coming election. Is that a possibility?

STEPHEN SMITH: Well, it’s a bit late, Brendan. I think I was endorsed by the National Executive some time last year. The election is in September, and I’m planning my campaign. So once we get out of the Parliament and my Ministerial responsibilities start to wind down, as they will when the Parliament gets up, then I’ll be on the hustings in Perth. So, I don’t quite know where that suggestion has come from, but I think it’s a bit late in the process for any of that. “

People are asking for more civility in politics. It would help if the govt sets a better tone. Swan called Abbott a drunk the other night. How did Swan know this?? Did Swan see Abbott drunk??

It would help if a senior member of the current govt does not tell lies as SWan did.

How Abbott controls his temper is beyond me. Labor has claimed he hates women, hates his wife and daughters. Was drunk during some important legislation.

I have noticed that is how Labor acts. They first try and trash your character (Abbott hit a wall 40 years ago). If that does not work they tell baldfaced lies. If that fails they may try and debate the issues.

“Kevin07 is great campaigner”

Rudd is also a great liar.

“Kevin Rudd, February 27, 2012:

WHEN I say to my parliamentary colleagues and to the people at large across Australia that I would not challenge for the Labor leadership I believe in honouring my word. Others treat such commitments lightly. I do not.“

‘l agree egg, Mr-Rabbit most likely to lose’

I think it most unlikely that Tabit will lose, so Talcum will just have to accept that he joined the wrong side, yet remain a team player.

‘He should have spent some time creating some really well developed policy`s with strong promotion of them.’

Abbott did fine on the government’s two festering sores, he claims global warming science is ‘crap’ and he will dismantle the fraud, and on asylum seekers he will turn the illegal guest workers around.

‘Rudd is a narcissist of the highest order, and everybody will pay for that.’

Maybe, but I’m prepared to give him a honeymoon period.

Flummery says the change of leadership will have no effect on his CC commission.

So Rudd is going to move to an ETS early.

Well that will blow a HUGE hole into the Revenue and increase the Deficit without any accompanying spending cuts. The Coalition advocates spending cuts.

Economic Cred goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone………………!

In NSW electricity prices are set by iPart. So it would probably just be taken into consideration when the next round of rises are underway.

Kev would be wise to scrap the tax and say, because of the change in climate, we’ll adopt the Opposition’s Direct Action Plan or something even more imaginative.

That’s if he wants to win.

‘…up handouts, up handouts, up handouts.’

Middle class welfare is finished, so no solace there.

The gay marriage legislation is a vote catcher.

Who ever wins government should put a stop to middle class hand out for sure.

They should also reign in welfare to career dole bludgers.
I’m not talking about disabled or aged pensions, but governments could save a fortune if they had the guts to crack down on 2 nd and 3 rd generation genuine bludgers that refuse to contribute anything, they just line up demanding more and costing tax payers more.

Bring back work for the dole.

What gets me is someone who can be so popular with the people but people who work with him cannot stand him.

Has there been any political leader recently where such a large proportion of a political party refuse to have anything to do with the leader???

Stephen Smith on Meet the Press said on June 23 that he would be standing for re-election. After Rudd became PM he is now leaving.

‘Asked if Labor could win the September 14 election under Mr Rudd, 56.9 per cent responded no, while 30.2 per cent said yes.’

I’m sure things will tighten up once Rudd starts his spendathon

‘…the great moral issue of our times?’

Ah yes, nothing less than a full recantation from our PM on that one.

😆

I wonder what the “Ratfuckers” over in Beijing are making of all this

There’s an unsubstantiated and recurring rumour (kind of like the ones that get floated over at CW i.e. incidents in restaurants) that a certain member of Rudd’s cabinet has been photographed leaving a Rub & Tug shop.

Yes

‘what’s a rub & tug shop?’

Exciting massage parlour.

‘I wonder what the “Ratfuckers” over in Beijing are making of all this’

His trip to China has been cancelled… Henry will be disappointed.

I said it was unsubstantiated…………………..but today I heard it for the 3rd time this week from different people

“Maybe it could be the new location for community cabinet meetings”

Thank God Belinda Neal is no longer in Parliament

7:30

2 nd /3 rd generation dole bludgers most definitely exist, they come in all the time, bored out of their brains, demanding stickies so they don’t have to go to centrelink meetings, what’s more the 3 rd generation dole bludgers are now of child bearing age, not long and there will be 4 th generation. Bit sad when you have 15 year olds saying, I hate school, I’ll just have a kid and go on the dole. They know the system, thier parents did it , why shouldn’t they.
457 visa, plenty of traing around for unemployed if they want it, if bludgers were not so lazy some them would take up the offer and get a job, then you could do away with some of the visas.
Where I live, small engineering companies employ a couple of boiler maker, or sparkles, if they didn’t they would loose contracts , oh dear, the Ozzies would loose their jobs too, that’s ok, they could go on the dole with all the others.

`’ I’m not talking about disabled or aged pensions,“
Why.? lf Teabags want to shaft people, why Limit the shafting to those who actually work.? Shaft the `old` and shaft the `ill` as well. Why discriminate.?

Do you want to shaft, sick, frail, disabled, and workers? Is that what your saying.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the monster rich left Australia, lets encourage them to go.

The Monster Rich can fuck right off.

But…there is definitely an entrenched subclass of perpetual welfarees, spanning generations, which I have considerably less tolerance for.

Most of us don’t work for fun; it’s what lubricates a civilised society. Making a contribution & suchlike. I don’t do shiftwork so some lazy fuck with no intention of ever working, who thinks they’re smart (sacrificing their pride & self worth on the altar of system exploitation), gets to treat every fucking day of their life like a fucking Sunday.

I have no problem with safety nets for the inadvertently unemployed, or those genuinely unable to work. That is also a hallmark of civilised society.
But I don’t pay tax so that the falsely entitled can leech their way through life without ever having to lift a finger in effort.

I take your point, 730, really I do.

Full time jobs are at a premium. I realise that the ranks of the underemployed swell to sate the needs of business exploitation ‘flexibility’.

The ire of my last comment was aimed at the professional welfare leeches. The ones who never intend to work. I know plenty of them. It is, generally, endemic to their lineage.

Toilet, you do have a way with words.

7:30
There are jobs where I live, mining is still big business here, contractors advertise here for sparkie, boiler makers, the mining and steel makers offer free traing, TAFE offers free training to the unemployed, tradies looking for off siders, painters, builders, concretors, truck drivers just that I know of. I couldn’t tell you the number of able body bludgers in this place, but I have personally met at least 100 who would be perfectly capable of working, but no, they would rather come in , full of abuse and expect priority treatment every single time .
You may live in perfect world land, but it’s not like that where I come from.

‘l reckon it a scam so the miners can claim-457s. Sparkie has quals and plenty experience on mines.’

You appear to be suffering from a misunderstanding, they are laying off workers across the board.

On the matter of professional poor white trash becoming endemic, its all true and the same is happening in the UK.

The only sub class are those poor individuals released from concentration camps in Australia, force to survive in an alien environment without government assistance and refused work.

This happened under Julia’s watch.

I tend to type words which echo the way I am thinking; or the way I would talk in front of familiar company.
That’s the beauty of this cankerous blog, long may it irk the sanitisers, I can type it here & I don’t get censored & every now & again I learn something & get to finesse my opinions.

That’s the beauty of the internet, if you’re prudent about where you comment. People learn to take your offensive words with a grain of salt, rather unlike if you were verbalising said words- face to face. People worth knowing anyway; tolerant people.

My mum was a nurse for the first couple of decades of my life. She is cool. She’s seen some shit.

We should be able to get rid of at least one 457 visa worker, surely Rudd won’t keep McTernan.

When are Gillard and McTernan coming out.
He will be able to get a spousal visa then.

Being a sparkie by trade (although I’ve never worked as a sparkie)
I’ve never heard of a sparkie being unemployed around here.
But the dole office can’t make you work as a sparkie if you don’t want to.
Even the worst of the worst sparkies are employed here.
That ”sparkie friend of mine wants a job on a mine again.” can’t be trying to hard.
Has he heard of travel, is he seriously overweight or got a bad back or something?

I hope David Bradbury didn’t get that tattoo

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/labor-mp-david-bradbury-threatens-to-get-tattoo-in-support-of-pm-julia-gillard/story-e6frfkvr-1226277036331

“A LABOR MP today said he would consider getting a Julia Gillard tattoo to prove his loyalty as Labor head-counters did numbers for an expected leadership showdown next week.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/west/david-bradbury-switches-support-for-kevin-rudd-in-an-attempt-to-prevent-election-defeat/story-fngr8i5s-1226670795777

“LINDSAY federal Labor MP David Bradbury said he switched his support from Julia Gillard to Kevin Rudd at the Labor leadership ballot on Wednesday night to prevent Opposition leader Tony Abbott from receiving a “free run into office“

An A 4 Audi mate of mine got his first service out of warranty yesterday.

4 years old and a $3000 bill. He is sooooooo fucking angry. LOL

Someone once told me if the windscreen wipers are on the right of the steering column…… Run fast and keep running.

Most mining electricians need to be mutliskilled or have experience in industrial control.
Has he thought about going to tafe or uni to upskill.
If he’s just a domestic electrician (roof rat) he’s got no chance.
Industrial plumbers are a different animal to turd inspectors.
Our local industrial plumber would give his right nut to get a good worker.

Steven Jones from the ALP is a very good media performer.

He Was on Lateline tonight.

Outstanding !

I want him on the Today Show and Sunrise.

Keep them coming Kev

ROFLMAO

Lol

Dafuq?! 😯

All the best TB, life begins at 66 if you’re young at heart. Assuming you havn’t abused yerself too much.

Thanks for that Egg. Expected nothing less. Just amused to refer to u as Egg. Makes me laugh. Such a weird little word. Like a big torso on stumpy little legs. It is like the Intergalactic Bar in here.

‘It is like the Intergalactic Bar in here.’

Yep, its a great space.

I come with an ironic twist.

Hope you had a good birthday TB

A busy day today . Caught the tail end of a astronomical lecture at Sydney uni today.

I know this is weird but it s something few of us ever realise when we look at it.

When you see the sun rise or set you are watching something that actually happened 8 1/2 minutes ago.

It’s so logical given the speed of light.

But it’s something I’d never really considered.

Am I alone ?

Rudd’s in a honeymoon, he’ll need to call an election soon.

It’s remarkable the way sentiment has changed, he’s now preferred PM, has the ALP level with the Liberals! Gillard and Swan are turning into unpleasant distant memories.

Chris Bowen is far more mature and rational than Swan, not blustering or bullshitting, just answering questions. Bowne is smart, Swan is a dill.

Swan struggled against Hockey, but he won’t stand a chance against Bowen.

It’s fresh air.

I can’t imagine Bowen making the stupid “surplus guaranteed” promises that Swan made. Bowen is measured, Swan bullshitted.

Swan put politics before the economy, Bowen will be a capable administrator, for a politician.

‘Will that be a good look?’

Middle class welfare is off the agenda.

“The comment above certainly proved this little gem of wisdom … I am not totally sure how govt works …”

Why do you say that?? Costello would have had a bigger input into policies than Swan. I am sure Swan did just what he was advised by the PS whereas Costello would have been the other way around. Costello did say the pink batts program was a poor spend of money and would not have done it.

I’m going to vote for, and hope libs/ nat are elected.
However if labor get in, it will be interesting to see how they pay for everything they have promised so far, before , they legislated so many big spend policies but thought the libs would have to pay.
Either they will have to get real, or increase limit on the old credit and.

As for k dud, labor got rid of the old dud, now he is the new dud, bit like old Julia, new Julia, real Julia. I think the old dud is the real dud.

Bowen had better be a better treasurer than he was immigration minister, that’s all I can say.

“The problem government has is lowering personal income tax so low that they can’t actually “service” the needs of the community …”

That is an interesting point. ALP supporters go way back SIX years and blame the Costello tax cuts for causing problems in the budget.

For some reason they do not go to the May 2013 budget ie 2 months ago, and have a go at Swan for tax cuts.

http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

“Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.”

Swan even compares his tax cuts to those in Costello’s last budget. But ALP supporters do not seem to know that Swan has been giving tax cuts.

“… Ken Henry had nothing to do with the insulation program”

How do you know?? You don’t think it was Swans idea do you??

“Tip spent most his time sat on his arse counting money rather than putting it to work on infrastructure ”

I have heard this lie many times. And it is a lie. My understanding is that most infrastructure spending is done by the States. The Commonwealth has always contributed however. But I have never seen any figures that Howard spent less than say Hawke/Keating.

This was Howards/Costello future infrastructure spending in their last budget.

http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/ministerial/html/dotars-31.htm

“The Australian Government will invest $22.3 billion in Australia’s land transport system from 2009–10 to 2013–14, under the second stage of its National Land Transport Plan—AusLink 2. AusLink 2 is the biggest investment in land transport infrastructure ever made by an Australian Government. It is 41 per cent larger than the current AusLink programme, which runs from 2004 to 2008–09. The Australian Government is now investing $15.8 billion under the current programme from 2004 to June 2009, including $250 million in extra funding that the Government will spend on AusLink Strategic Regional projects in 2006-07.”

AUSLINK 1 ran from 2004-2009 and AUSLINK 2 runs from 2009-2014. And Howard spent on infrastructure before 2004

When you told me just before the 2007 that Howard did not spend on infrastructure was a lie.

Aren’t they back in the fold already Egg. Today’s polls seem to suggest that. But not the ladies perhaps? As it stands now we will be looking at a choice between two pork chops. At least I am getting a few laughs at kR’s subversive blue tie. I will check every morn to see if it is in place. His ties are much more attractive than Abbott’s. Btw Tony looks quite tiny these days. It must be a hellish life.

A big failure of the ALP is with asylum seekers. Under Howard we took 14,000 refugees from camps. These were the most disadvantaged.

Under Labor we are now taking 14,000 people with $10,000. And Bob Carr has just come out and said they are economic refugees. Not the people we should be taking under our humantarian program. They arrive on boats looking well, with mobile phones, computers and most probably some cash left over after paying a people smuggler.

And no ALP supporter seems to care.

I am not certain either that a party’s platform is of more interest than personalities. Depends what the platform is I suppose. Neil it is frightening to think that Rudd got in the first time on personality. I cannot understand the appeal. As for ALP supporters being tribal, so are the Libs. Check out my aunts. Only a handful of us make a diff. And Egg Rudd has made a mighty leap in less than a week. I think Labor will win.

“As for ALP supporters being tribal, so are the Libs.”

Yep but near as I can make it you either have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and facts are irrelevant.

However ALP supporters are the worst case. Unemployment over 10% for 30 months under Keating- still vote Labor. Howard takes unemployment to 4.3%- still vote Labor.

What gets me about Labor is their supporters and politicians tell lies about the Coalition govt and the 40% of Australians that vote Conservative.

There is no excuse for that.

The Night Is Dark & Full Of Terrors for, Ser Kneel.

‘they would have tightened under Julia Gillard’

Liar.

“You mentioned Costello … I said “governments” … we’re not all as one-eyed as you, Kneel …”

Ah yes, Mr One-eyed calls me one-eyed. When is the last time you voted for the Liberal Party??

“… Tip spent most his time sat on his arse counting money rather than putting it to work on infrastructure”

Really???

http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/ministerial/html/dotars-31.htm

You should read the whole page but this is impressive.

“The Roads to Recovery Programme provides local councils with extra funding to maintain and upgrade their road networks. Since the Government established the programme in 2001, councils have used it to build more than 25,000 projects on the roads that Australians use every day.”

25,000 projects were funded by Howard in just one project the “Roads to Recovery Programme”

And you wonder why i do not believe anything you say.

‘…might think that Rudd is a bit better than Gillard to lead the charge?’

I’ll give him time, in the run up to the election, but he’ll have to change policy and put Abbott’s platform in the shade.

Excuss my ignorance but who is:
Tip Custard
I googled is but all I could find is tips on making egg and milk based gooey stuff.

“Do you think I GAF?”

No I don’t. Like all ALP supporters you think you are more moral than anyone else.

When you vote you look at Conservative voters and say i am not like those people who only care about money. I am more moral than those people. i actually care about people or so you think.

Paul Kelly says Rudd will drop the carbon tax and on asylum seekers the PM agree with me, the majority of hopefuls are illegal economic migrants.

This is the person almost 50% of people are going to vote for

http://www.smh.com.au/national/in-his-sights-covert-kevins-mission-to-get-julia-20130629-2p3p7.html

“Rudd has always displayed erratic work tendencies, plus a Jekyll-and-Hyde personality. His mercurial temper and appalling treatment of any member of staff or bureaucrat he considered an underling was legendary; these traits were occasionally reported when he was opposition leader, and again — sporadically — when he became PM. In the lead-up to the events of June 23 and 24, these tendencies bordered on the manic. Of all his ministers, Gillard and Wayne Swan most intimately knew how unhinged Rudd had become in the first half of 2010; so, too, did most of his staff. Perhaps, in his heart of hearts, Rudd knew it about himself as well. He may have possessed an overweening ambition to succeed and slick PR skills, but he did not, and still does not, have that essential mix necessary to lead a political party: a steely and steady personality, the ability to be calm under great pressure and under the weight of extreme criticism, and consistently clear thinking.“

Speaking of hockey sticks, labor has created one with their boat arrivals

I think that unless we are willing to take all 30 million refugees around the world we have to have a quota system. And if we have a quota system we should decide which refugees we take.

We did this under Howard. Now we only take asylum seekers with $10,000 who look well dressed having mobile phones and computers.

I think we should go back to taking our humanitarian quota from UNHCR camps.

“Just get rid of the government altogether and defence force, police, emergency services and we can all hire mercenaries and security guards”

Yeah, that’s taking the argument for smaller government to it’s absurd conclusion: if you think small government is better, then no government must be best. The reverse is to say that if more government intervention is better, then total government control is best.

I’m no anarchist and see defence, law enforcement etc as legitimate roles of government.

Nice graph Nils.

“left to purely market forces many businesses would not be around today … GM is one of them”

Yes, I do, and that’s what (I argued at the time) should have happened.

“The value of the capital I accumulated to generate our income is diluted every time a US dollar is printed that has no real, productive value.”

Printing money is another example of the ill-effects of government intervention.

‘I could even try being a lefty for a week if that helps.’

I stands wiv yer bruvver, I’ve got previous.

Pascoe offers the Ruddster some tips on the way forward….

‘Professor McKibbin has been the most radical, suggesting the government borrow big, in the hundreds of billions of dollars big, at low single-digit interest rates and use the money to build infrastructure that offers double-digit rates of return.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/if-kevin-is-looking-for-a-big-idea-20130701-2p6vl.html#ixzz2XmHkvHwT

Yep, we do.