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Will Rudd’s Rise Trigger a Coalition Leadership Spill?

June 27, 2013

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Malcolm Turnbull is now vastly more popular than Tony Abbott, when voters are asked who they would like to lead the federal Liberal Party.

The latest The Australian Financial Review/Nielsen poll shows Mr Turnbull has stretched his lead over Mr Abbott since February, with a staggering 62 per cent of ­voters preferring him as leader compared with just 32 per cent for Mr Abbott.

The national telephone poll of 1400 voters was taken from Thursday night to Saturday night last week.

The poll shows Mr Turnbull remains hugely popular among Labor voters and has established solid support among Coalition voters as well.

Of the Labor voters polled, 80 per cent – an increase of six points since March – backed Mr Turnbull as Liberal leader while 14 per cent preferred Tony Abbott.

Among Coalition voters, Mr Turnbull’s support rose three points to 48 per cent while Mr Abbott’s slipped two points to 50 per cent. They are tied as preferred leader among Coalition voters.

 

 

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  1. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 4:25 pm

    If this transpires before the election, then we have morphed into the American system of politics.

    Thinking of Talcum, let’s not forget Godwin.

  2. June 27, 2013 5:23 pm

    Go Malcolm!

    That would really fuck off the Abbottlickers (hey, snacty?)…

    Worth the price of admission for that alone.

    Seriously doubt that that will happen though…unless, Abbott is continually battered by Rudd in the polls (possible, a lot of the electorate are repulsed by smug, biblical pricks) over a protracted period.

    * fingers crossed! fuck Abbott with a clawhammer

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2013 5:24 pm

    Thinking of Talcum, let’s not forget Godwin.

    And who set TURNBULL up? Malcolm Turnbull was dealt a hand by whom?

    We’ve seen what Brough, Pyne and Abbott are capable of only recently …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sreb, does this mean I was right about, A Tick For Turnbull…?

    Quite frankly I would be happy with Rudd as PM and turnbull as LOTO … OR … vice versa!

  4. June 27, 2013 5:24 pm

    I may even vote for the Coalition, if Malcolm was their hood ornament, purely because I know it would shit genuine social conservatives off (just about everything except jesus shits them off anyway).

  5. June 27, 2013 5:27 pm

    While I channel nasking’s rage…I haven’t forgotten that you’re just a rightwing blogplant, sent to bring down valiant Labor, TB!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2013 5:40 pm

    … you’re just a rightwing blogplant, sent to bring down valiant Labor, TB!

    Farnham Bear, hated being advised of another side to his narrow minded ALP focus … how dare I try and point out that he could have a wrong slant …

    … we have a Liberal posts here with the same one-eyed outlook on life … but he’ll grow up one day …

    Yep, it was Farnham Bear who convinced Min and Migs that I shouldn’t be told about their new CW blog venture too … odd actually when you consider that ToM. gets pissed off because of a stolen database of folk …

    … and I destroyed his “career” apparently … 😯

  7. June 27, 2013 5:42 pm

    GO QUEENSLANDER!

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2013 5:46 pm

    OK, Toillette … I do not tolerate Fuckwits™ … OK?

    But you already knew that …

  9. June 27, 2013 5:51 pm

    😉

  10. revellyrobinson permalink
    June 27, 2013 5:59 pm

    Reblogged this on Life in Canberra and commented:
    Bring it on!

  11. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 6:00 pm

    Just a quiet reminder, the Coalition would split if Malcolm came back.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2013 6:23 pm

    Just a quiet reminder, the Coalition would split if Malcolm came back.

    You mean they are made up of factions like the ALP, egg? Well goodness me!

  13. June 27, 2013 6:26 pm

    “Quite frankly I would be happy with Rudd as PM and turnbull as LOTO … OR … vice versa!”

    I almost agree.

  14. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 6:27 pm

    Its complex, this coalition of city slickers and country folk.

  15. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 6:55 pm

    “The reality is political parties are like football clubs, they seek to recruit people they think might be good players.”

    Malcolm Turnbull

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2013 7:05 pm

    Well, Clivey Palmer has taken that to heart … most of his “candidates” are fkn footie players – or sportspersons …

    I see the Cafe Tappers are upset ’cause Peter Garrett has resigned … the man looks and sounds like a zombie … another lawyer I believe … how did he ever become a minister …

    From Wikepedia – Occupation: Politician, activist, musician

    jesus fkn christ …

  17. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 7:11 pm

    The Nats don’t trust Talcum, a free marketeer from the big end of town, with little consideration for people in the bush.

  18. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 7:16 pm

    So 80% of Labor voters ‘backed Mr Turnbull as Liberal leader’

    He’s Labor Lite

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 27, 2013 9:35 pm

    Turnbull will be the next leader of the opposition.

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2013 9:57 pm

    Stephen Smith said this on Meet The Press June 23

    http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/2013/06/23/minister-for-defence-meet-the-press-2/

    “BRENDAN NICHOLSON: Minister, just back on to politics – there have been suggestions that you might not actually contest your seat in the coming election. Is that a possibility?

    STEPHEN SMITH: Well, it’s a bit late, Brendan. I think I was endorsed by the National Executive some time last year. The election is in September, and I’m planning my campaign. So once we get out of the Parliament and my Ministerial responsibilities start to wind down, as they will when the Parliament gets up, then I’ll be on the hustings in Perth. So, I don’t quite know where that suggestion has come from, but I think it’s a bit late in the process for any of that. “

  21. egg permalink
    June 27, 2013 10:03 pm

    ‘Turnbull will be the next leader of the opposition.’

    Assuming the monk loses the un-loseable election.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2013 10:23 pm

    People are asking for more civility in politics. It would help if the govt sets a better tone. Swan called Abbott a drunk the other night. How did Swan know this?? Did Swan see Abbott drunk??

    It would help if a senior member of the current govt does not tell lies as SWan did.

    How Abbott controls his temper is beyond me. Labor has claimed he hates women, hates his wife and daughters. Was drunk during some important legislation.

    I have noticed that is how Labor acts. They first try and trash your character (Abbott hit a wall 40 years ago). If that does not work they tell baldfaced lies. If that fails they may try and debate the issues.

  23. June 27, 2013 10:44 pm

    l agree egg, Mr-Rabbit most likely to lose.
    This is the stupidity of Mr-Rabbit`s last 3-years of only negativity, now that Joolya is gone, so is any so-called `work` Mr-Rabbit can lay claim to. He should have spent some time creating some really well developed policy`s with strong promotion of them. lnstead, all negative campaigning has gone up in smoke with Joolya`s exit. Kevin07 is great campaigner, will leave Mr-Rabbit in dust.

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2013 11:14 pm

    “Kevin07 is great campaigner

    Rudd is also a great liar.

    Kevin Rudd, February 27, 2012:

    TO Julia I would say this … You will have my absolute support in your efforts to bring us to victory. I will not under any circumstances mount a challenge against your leadership. I go one step further. If anyone turns on Julia in the 18 months ahead … Julia – you will find me in your corner against them.

    Rudd, March 21:

    WHEN I say to my parliamentary colleagues and to the people at large across Australia that I would not challenge for the Labor leadership I believe in honouring my word. Others treat such commitments lightly. I do not.“

  25. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2013 11:35 pm

    Egg

    You might want to watch ABC The Business on the Internet. Catchup TVor whatever they call it

    It has a segment of train sets. Not Hornby
    Ones.

  26. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 8:03 am

    ‘l agree egg, Mr-Rabbit most likely to lose’

    I think it most unlikely that Tabit will lose, so Talcum will just have to accept that he joined the wrong side, yet remain a team player.

    ‘He should have spent some time creating some really well developed policy`s with strong promotion of them.’

    Abbott did fine on the government’s two festering sores, he claims global warming science is ‘crap’ and he will dismantle the fraud, and on asylum seekers he will turn the illegal guest workers around.

  27. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 8:55 am

    I wouldn’t give up on Abbott just yet.
    As far as rudds front bench goes, not a lot different so far, same faces different seats. See what happens when the seats are set maybe today.
    Bowen was hopeless immigration minister, he lost control, as treasurer what will he do?
    Spend, spend, spend.
    If people thought Gillard changed her mind willy nilly because policies were or were not popular, just watch Rudd do the same and more.
    Rudd is PM for the sole reason that he wants every Australian, and the rest of the world to love and obey him. shorten states that he believes Rudd has changed his ways, well time will tell, but if he hasn’t, will the ministers stand up to him? Have the rest of labor changed?
    I bet Rudd is not leader of the labor party at the 2016 election.
    Rudd is a narcissist of the highest order, and everybody will pay for that.

  28. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 9:39 am

    ‘Rudd is a narcissist of the highest order, and everybody will pay for that.’

    Maybe, but I’m prepared to give him a honeymoon period.

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 9:48 am

    It has a segment of train sets. Not Hornby Ones

    In this country you would be better off spending the money on better and cheaper air travel … most countries with super fast trains are tiny … however, more railways would ease the fkn gret double B’s on roads used by passenger vehicles!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wouldn’t give up on Abbott just yet.

    I would … in reality the tables have turned, Abbott, is now the “tocxic” leader … the ALP have tossed the monkey off their back onto the Libs …

    Spend, spend, spend.

    Labor has been through a massive learning curve … this new iteration will determine whether any of the learning stuck!

    While I have no time for incompetent pollies (90%) they are generally not stupid (B. Joyce fails the intelligence test every tiome he opens his mouth to let the flies out!)

    Pollies ARE slow on the uptake … we all knew Julia Gillard had to walk over six months ago …

  30. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:04 am

    Flummery says the change of leadership will have no effect on his CC commission.

  31. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:08 am

    Barnaby could become a general of the green army…. being an agrarian socialist.

  32. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:14 am

    So Rudd is going to move to an ETS early.

    Well that will blow a HUGE hole into the Revenue and increase the Deficit without any accompanying spending cuts. The Coalition advocates spending cuts.

    Economic Cred goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone………………!

  33. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:23 am

    The question on the average punters lips… will this sleight of hand reduce their power bills?

  34. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:38 am

    In NSW electricity prices are set by iPart. So it would probably just be taken into consideration when the next round of rises are underway.

  35. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:50 am

    I imagine those that are eligible will still get compensation and other assistance and those that arnt will pay more.

  36. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:01 am

    Kev would be wise to scrap the tax and say, because of the change in climate, we’ll adopt the Opposition’s Direct Action Plan or something even more imaginative.

    That’s if he wants to win.

  37. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:14 am

    If Kevin wants to win, he will up handouts, up handouts, up handouts.

    He will probably bring on the gay marriage legislation, no problem with that, Julia should have included that within her modern family manta.

    If any of his policies look slightly unpopular, they will be dumped pronto followed by more handouts.

    I have no faith in this man.

  38. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:17 am

    ‘…up handouts, up handouts, up handouts.’

    Middle class welfare is finished, so no solace there.

    The gay marriage legislation is a vote catcher.

  39. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:26 am

    What Kev needs is a bureaucratic trigger to unravel this filthy mess and win the un-winnable election.

    Flannery should be sacked from the Climate Commission, along with two others, and replaced with Bob Carter, Murry Salby and Jennifer Marohasy.

  40. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:58 am

    Who ever wins government should put a stop to middle class hand out for sure.

    They should also reign in welfare to career dole bludgers.
    I’m not talking about disabled or aged pensions, but governments could save a fortune if they had the guts to crack down on 2 nd and 3 rd generation genuine bludgers that refuse to contribute anything, they just line up demanding more and costing tax payers more.

    Bring back work for the dole.

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 12:15 pm

    “Bring back work for the dole.”

    Wasn’t that an Abbott program?? Is it still going or did Labor abolish it?

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 28, 2013 12:24 pm

    So Rudd is back. He has been rewarded for his three years of duplicitous white-anting with the top job.

    Even he knows his word means nothing now:

    In political life we live by our word. We live by whether we honour our word. And the good people of Australia observe that over a lifetime … I have said time and time again that I would not challenge in the future for the leadership of the Labor Party – I believe in honouring my word. Furthermore, had I done the reverse and simply gone out there and challenged, each and every one of you here today, as journalists, here in Brisbane and around the country, would quite rightly have attacked me for a loss of credibility for having walked back on my word.

    In fact it seems that Rudd ticks a fair number of the boxes on the psychopathy checklist:

    There is also a “psychopathy checklist” – a diagnostic tool to assess for psychopathy and the perquisites make for some eyebrow-raising reading: Impulsivity. Superficial charm. Grandiosity. Callousness. Lack of empathy. Manipulative. Pathological lying. Calmness and lack of anxiety. Unfazed if they’re caught out lying – for example.

    The question is whether this means he will be a bad PM, or, at least, a worse PM than Abbott. I’m not convinced he will. Apart from impulsivity, those characteristics are not necessarily fatal for a political leader and impulsivity is the characteristic from the list that is least applicable to Rudd. We can put up with the rest. Even the lying – we now know his form and can discount his promises accordingly.

    Maybe he has learnt some lessons. Maybe he will be more fiscally prudent, reduce the impact of the carbon tax and promote business friendly economic reforms. Or maybe I’m dreaming.

  43. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 12:45 pm

    ‘Maybe he will be more fiscally prudent, reduce the impact of the carbon tax ‘

    Abbott said he would abolish the tax and force a double D election if necessary, so Kev has to see him and raise.

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 28, 2013 12:48 pm

    I like double D’s!

  45. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 12:51 pm

    Yeah, but there are risks and politicians would hate returning to the hustings so soon after winning a seat.

    ‘Despite the upturn in support, the overwhelming majority still believed that Labor was heading for defeat in the upcoming Federal election.

    ‘Asked if Labor could win the September 14 election under Mr Rudd, 56.9 per cent responded no, while 30.2 per cent said yes.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-rudd-effect-labor-bounces-back-in-poll-but-coalition-still-on-course-for-election-win-20130628-2p0xv.html#ixzz2XTXN6Jl1

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 1:24 pm

    What gets me is someone who can be so popular with the people but people who work with him cannot stand him.

    Has there been any political leader recently where such a large proportion of a political party refuse to have anything to do with the leader???

    Stephen Smith on Meet the Press said on June 23 that he would be standing for re-election. After Rudd became PM he is now leaving.

  47. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 1:29 pm

    ‘Rudd needs to reprove himself as a global moral visionary.’

    silkworm (teh kaf)

  48. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 1:36 pm

    ‘Asked if Labor could win the September 14 election under Mr Rudd, 56.9 per cent responded no, while 30.2 per cent said yes.’

    I’m sure things will tighten up once Rudd starts his spendathon

  49. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 1:38 pm

    ‘Rudd needs to reprove himself as a global moral visionary.’

    WTF

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 28, 2013 1:38 pm

    ‘Rudd needs to reprove himself as a global moral visionary.’

    You mean he has to rediscover climate change as the great moral issue of our times?

  51. June 28, 2013 2:00 pm

    Bizarre quotes of the week….

    Tony Abbott:

    “Malcolm Turnbull virtually invented the Internet”

    http://media.smh.com.au/news/national-news/turnbull-virtually-invented-the-internet-4527700.html?rand=1372389701157

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 28, 2013 2:02 pm

    Nah. That was Al Gore.

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 28, 2013 2:05 pm

    ”What gets me is someone who can be so popular with the people but people who work with him cannot stand him.

    I think Rudd got plenty of bad press on this issue because it was convenient for the Gillard backers.

    I went to a political function a few years ago, while Rudd was PM. He attended, so did a lot of other politicians. I sat next to one of his policy advisors. She was quite forthcoming about Rudd, said he demanded a lot, worked long hours and expected a similar commitment from the people he worked with. But she was very complimentary about his manner with his staff.

    I think much of Rudd’s bad press (on his personality) has been spruiked by duds like Swan and his mates.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 2:12 pm

    “Malcolm Turnbull virtually invented the Internet”

    Does Abbott KNOW what the internet IS? Does he KNOW anything?

    What a fkn pajero!

    🙄

  55. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 2:25 pm

    TB,
    It was a joke, everyone laughed, apparently it’s not illegal to crack jokes yet 😛

  56. el gordo permalink
    June 28, 2013 2:44 pm

    ‘…the great moral issue of our times?’

    Ah yes, nothing less than a full recantation from our PM on that one.

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 3:28 pm

    TB, It was a joke, everyone laughed …

    Abbott, can’t tell jokes … they were laughing at him …

  58. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 3:37 pm

    😆

  59. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 3:51 pm

    Rudd has now accused the Coalition because of their Asylum Boats Policy of risking “conflict” with Indonesia.

    Fuck me dead…………………….how long do we have to put up with this .

    Actually keep it up Ruddster the Public’s memories will now start flooding back

  60. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 3:52 pm

    I wonder what the “Ratfuckers” over in Beijing are making of all this

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:00 pm

    … how long do we have to put up with this .

    Yep, Wally, you were never one for diplomacy … I reckon you’d make a great immigration minister … for NK … 😛

  62. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:09 pm

    There’s an unsubstantiated and recurring rumour (kind of like the ones that get floated over at CW i.e. incidents in restaurants) that a certain member of Rudd’s cabinet has been photographed leaving a Rub & Tug shop.

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:14 pm

    Was this person a member of Gillards cabinet also??

  64. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:15 pm

    Yes

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    Substantiate it or it will have as much credence as CW’s incidents …

    BTW, what’s a rub & tug shop? 😯

  66. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:27 pm

    ‘what’s a rub & tug shop?’

    Exciting massage parlour.

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:28 pm

    Maybe it could be the new location for community cabinet meetings

  68. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:30 pm

    ‘I wonder what the “Ratfuckers” over in Beijing are making of all this’

    His trip to China has been cancelled… Henry will be disappointed.

  69. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:31 pm

    “BTW, what’s a rub & tug shop?”

    At your age it’s no longer relevant so there is no need for you to know

    LOL

  70. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:33 pm

    I said it was unsubstantiated…………………..but today I heard it for the 3rd time this week from different people

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:35 pm

    Here’s another reason I do not want our country to slip into an uncaring, money hungry, group of individuals like the USA has become …

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy …

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:36 pm

    Chuckle @ Wally … hey its me birfday tomorrow!

    Three times WOW! 😆

  73. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 4:41 pm

    “Maybe it could be the new location for community cabinet meetings”

    Thank God Belinda Neal is no longer in Parliament

  74. June 28, 2013 5:33 pm

    Hummmph June 28, 2013 11:58 am
    *
    ` ` Who ever wins government should put a stop to middle class hand out for sure.` `
    No problem ending `money-go-rounds.
    *
    ‘ ‘ They should also reign in welfare to career dole bludgers.’ ‘
    `career dole bludgers` don`t exist since 1999, go do some research Hummphy, for decades we have been giving away jobs to Asia. Get with the times.
    *
    `’ I’m not talking about disabled or aged pensions,“
    Why.? lf Teabags want to shaft people, why Limit the shafting to those who actually work.? Shaft the `old` and shaft the `ill` as well. Why discriminate.?
    *
    ‘ ‘ but governments could save a fortune if they had the guts to crack down on 2nd and 3rd generation genuine bludgers ‘ ‘
    no such thing
    *
    ‘ ‘ that refuse to contribute anything, they just line up demanding more and costing tax payers more. ”
    This sounds like Gina and Roopert.
    The Monster-rich take the most out of society and the economy and put the least into them.
    *
    ‘ ‘ Bring back work for the dole. ‘ ‘
    You do realize it is a failed idea.?
    Why not demand more FULL time Jobs and
    LESS 457s, imports and all the other failures that diminish our people and nation.?

  75. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 6:02 pm

    7:30

    2 nd /3 rd generation dole bludgers most definitely exist, they come in all the time, bored out of their brains, demanding stickies so they don’t have to go to centrelink meetings, what’s more the 3 rd generation dole bludgers are now of child bearing age, not long and there will be 4 th generation. Bit sad when you have 15 year olds saying, I hate school, I’ll just have a kid and go on the dole. They know the system, thier parents did it , why shouldn’t they.
    457 visa, plenty of traing around for unemployed if they want it, if bludgers were not so lazy some them would take up the offer and get a job, then you could do away with some of the visas.
    Where I live, small engineering companies employ a couple of boiler maker, or sparkles, if they didn’t they would loose contracts , oh dear, the Ozzies would loose their jobs too, that’s ok, they could go on the dole with all the others.

    `’ I’m not talking about disabled or aged pensions,“
    Why.? lf Teabags want to shaft people, why Limit the shafting to those who actually work.? Shaft the `old` and shaft the `ill` as well. Why discriminate.?

    Do you want to shaft, sick, frail, disabled, and workers? Is that what your saying.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if the monster rich left Australia, lets encourage them to go.

  76. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 6:04 pm

    Excuse the spelling mistakes, I was rushing , hope you understand what I was saying.

  77. June 28, 2013 6:20 pm

    The Monster Rich can fuck right off.

    But…there is definitely an entrenched subclass of perpetual welfarees, spanning generations, which I have considerably less tolerance for.

    Most of us don’t work for fun; it’s what lubricates a civilised society. Making a contribution & suchlike. I don’t do shiftwork so some lazy fuck with no intention of ever working, who thinks they’re smart (sacrificing their pride & self worth on the altar of system exploitation), gets to treat every fucking day of their life like a fucking Sunday.

    I have no problem with safety nets for the inadvertently unemployed, or those genuinely unable to work. That is also a hallmark of civilised society.
    But I don’t pay tax so that the falsely entitled can leech their way through life without ever having to lift a finger in effort.

  78. June 28, 2013 6:26 pm

    Hummph when textile and auto-makers were running years ago, they employed 1000`s of people, just as cane-fields employed 1000`s cutting sugar-cane. Machinery in these industries reduced jobs dramatically, and have NOT been replaced at the SAME rate the jobs lost. You are very big on the word `bludger` but don`t seem to realize, there is NOT actual jobs for them to have, jobs don`t exist. As there is NO job, then there is no bludger. The ponzi-jobs created by the dole-office are more about keeping unemployment numbers `looking` good and actually aggravate and demoralize the people they send to ponzi-jobs.

  79. June 28, 2013 6:32 pm

    So Dunny, how many full-time jobs are available where you work.?
    When was the last time a full time job was available.?

  80. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 6:36 pm

    Most bludgers get shifted over to Disability Pensions because they are psychologicly assessed as “mentally unfit to work” (AKA Lazy C**ts)

  81. June 28, 2013 6:42 pm

    I take your point, 730, really I do.

    Full time jobs are at a premium. I realise that the ranks of the underemployed swell to sate the needs of business exploitation ‘flexibility’.

    The ire of my last comment was aimed at the professional welfare leeches. The ones who never intend to work. I know plenty of them. It is, generally, endemic to their lineage.

  82. June 28, 2013 6:56 pm

    Yes Dunny, l realize what you meant (and_Hummph) l was just trying to point out so-called bludger cannot exist if job doesn`t exist. Friends and neighbors (not_bludgers) driven nuts being sent to ponzi-jobs, creates false `hope` which turns to demoralisation. Fcuking Govt should come clean on unemployment, underemployed numbers.
    *
    so-called `Flexible` swallowed by teabags and teabag-lites, Joolya droned it often, is also fcuking many over

  83. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 6:58 pm

    Toilet, you do have a way with words.

    7:30
    There are jobs where I live, mining is still big business here, contractors advertise here for sparkie, boiler makers, the mining and steel makers offer free traing, TAFE offers free training to the unemployed, tradies looking for off siders, painters, builders, concretors, truck drivers just that I know of. I couldn’t tell you the number of able body bludgers in this place, but I have personally met at least 100 who would be perfectly capable of working, but no, they would rather come in , full of abuse and expect priority treatment every single time .
    You may live in perfect world land, but it’s not like that where I come from.

  84. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 7:03 pm

    There’s an unsubstantiated and recurring rumour (kind of like the ones that get floated over at CW i.e. incidents in restaurants) that a certain member of Rudd’s cabinet has been photographed leaving a Rub & Tug shop.

    I read this somewhere , they mentioned Albonese

  85. June 28, 2013 7:13 pm

    lnteresting you say that Hummph.
    A sparkie friend of mine wants a job on a mine again. He `replys-to-job-ads` by phone, sends cv, then hears nothing else. l reckon it a scam so the miners can claim-457s. Sparkie has quals and plenty experience on mines.
    *
    Do you work at the dole-office Hummphy.?

  86. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 7:24 pm

    No, not the dole office, nursing.
    Good luck to your friends looking for work, hopefully they will find some.
    It won’t change the fact that there are many, many who just don’t want to work and think its their right to live on hand outs and abuse workers who’s tax contributes to their welfare.

  87. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 7:35 pm

    ‘l reckon it a scam so the miners can claim-457s. Sparkie has quals and plenty experience on mines.’

    You appear to be suffering from a misunderstanding, they are laying off workers across the board.

    On the matter of professional poor white trash becoming endemic, its all true and the same is happening in the UK.

    The only sub class are those poor individuals released from concentration camps in Australia, force to survive in an alien environment without government assistance and refused work.

    This happened under Julia’s watch.

  88. June 28, 2013 7:46 pm

    ‘ ‘ You appear to be suffering from a misunderstanding, they are laying off workers across the board. ‘ ‘
    *
    egg, l have known Sparkie 8+ years, and he has been trying to return to mines since l have known him. Sparkie has reply/applied to dozens of job ads over the years, (he never shuts-up about it)
    *
    Also Know a plumber/gassy about 6-years, similar story.

  89. June 28, 2013 7:46 pm

    I tend to type words which echo the way I am thinking; or the way I would talk in front of familiar company.
    That’s the beauty of this cankerous blog, long may it irk the sanitisers, I can type it here & I don’t get censored & every now & again I learn something & get to finesse my opinions.

    That’s the beauty of the internet, if you’re prudent about where you comment. People learn to take your offensive words with a grain of salt, rather unlike if you were verbalising said words- face to face. People worth knowing anyway; tolerant people.

    My mum was a nurse for the first couple of decades of my life. She is cool. She’s seen some shit.

  90. egg permalink
    June 28, 2013 7:49 pm

    OK I accept that.

  91. Hummmph permalink
    June 28, 2013 8:21 pm

    We should be able to get rid of at least one 457 visa worker, surely Rudd won’t keep McTernan.

  92. June 28, 2013 8:43 pm

    Wish granted Hummphy,
    stamp CANCEL all over that 457 🙂
    *
    ” poor white trash becoming endemic, its all true and the same is happening in the UK.”
    agree egg, there is the similar pattern, and add Detroit and New Orleans

  93. June 28, 2013 8:49 pm

    “The only sub class are those poor individuals released from concentration camps in Australia, force to survive in an alien environment without government assistance and refused work.

    This happened under Julia’s watch.

    Hear hear!

    I’ve met some asylum seekers. They’re not the demons that the likes of Morrison and Abbott make out. They’re ordinary people from disadvantaged backgrounds who want a better life. Many of them have had to leave their families behind in Afghanistan. Often they speak little or no English, and basically survive on the goodwill of charity groups here.

    Many of them are fearful of what society will think of them, and how they will be treated. This on top of just surviving day to day…

    The way that Gillard’s govt treated them, and the fact that they are forbidden to find employment is a fkn disgrace.

  94. June 28, 2013 9:00 pm

    that`s the problem with the poverty choice ,
    and it is a choice ,
    to feed , water , clothe , shelter and medical the world population
    *
    what$ the co$t teabag$..?

  95. June 28, 2013 9:04 pm

    When are Gillard and McTernan coming out.
    He will be able to get a spousal visa then.

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 28, 2013 9:06 pm

    ”The way that Gillard’s govt treated them, and the fact that they are forbidden to find employment is a fkn disgrace.

    I agree! The forced poverty is a disgrace. It breeds crime, which then becomes another reason to demonise them, which marginalises them, which breeds crime…

    ”sparkie friend of mine wants a job on a mine again.

    There would hardly be an unemployed electrician in the country, unless they choose not to work.

  97. June 28, 2013 9:16 pm

    Being a sparkie by trade (although I’ve never worked as a sparkie)
    I’ve never heard of a sparkie being unemployed around here.
    But the dole office can’t make you work as a sparkie if you don’t want to.
    Even the worst of the worst sparkies are employed here.
    That ”sparkie friend of mine wants a job on a mine again.” can’t be trying to hard.
    Has he heard of travel, is he seriously overweight or got a bad back or something?

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 9:17 pm

    ” They’re not the demons that the likes of Morrison and Abbott make out. They’re ordinary people from disadvantaged backgrounds who want a better life”

    Exactly. There are apparently something like 20-40 million refugees around the world but there are 1-2 billion people who would like to come here for a better life.

    I think we have immigration programs for those who want to come here for a better life. Millions have done this. Lots of Irish like to migrate here for a better life. All of Eastern Europe wants to come here for a better life. All of Mexico wants to migrate to the US for a better life. Cleaning toilets in Texas is better than living in a Mexican slum.

    But our 14,000 humanitarian places should only go to refugees. We used to do this under Howard.

    Bob Carr is now calling boat people economic immigrants even though they qualify as refugees.

    Unless we want to have a population of 1 billion in Australia and allow everyone who wants to come here for a better life in, we are going to have quotas for all our immigration programs.

  99. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:35 pm

    I hope David Bradbury didn’t get that tattoo

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/labor-mp-david-bradbury-threatens-to-get-tattoo-in-support-of-pm-julia-gillard/story-e6frfkvr-1226277036331

    “A LABOR MP today said he would consider getting a Julia Gillard tattoo to prove his loyalty as Labor head-counters did numbers for an expected leadership showdown next week.”

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/west/david-bradbury-switches-support-for-kevin-rudd-in-an-attempt-to-prevent-election-defeat/story-fngr8i5s-1226670795777

    “LINDSAY federal Labor MP David Bradbury said he switched his support from Julia Gillard to Kevin Rudd at the Labor leadership ballot on Wednesday night to prevent Opposition leader Tony Abbott from receiving a “free run into office

  100. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:39 pm

    So to sum up today from that Rudd fuckwit if anyone votes for Tony Abbott we will be in an instant Recession and in a War with Indonesia.

    That’s a great start.

    Keep talkin’ Kev

    The more you talk the more we programmed specificity people will remember .

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:51 pm

    You catch on really quick, Wally …

  102. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 10:58 pm

    Happy birthday tomorrow you maroon prick !

    LOL

  103. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:05 pm

    An A 4 Audi mate of mine got his first service out of warranty yesterday.

    4 years old and a $3000 bill. He is sooooooo fucking angry. LOL

    Someone once told me if the windscreen wipers are on the right of the steering column…… Run fast and keep running.

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:05 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/rudd-to-turn-back-boatpeople/story-e6frg8yx-1111114943944

    KEVIN Rudd has taken a tough line on border security, warning that a Labor government will turn the boats back and deter asylum-seekers, using the threat of detention and the nation’s close ties with Indonesia……….”You’d turn them back,” he said of boats approaching Australia, emphasising that Labor believed in an “orderly immigration system” enforced by deterrence.

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:06 pm

    Ta, you poor blues bastard … 😉

    Spent a lovely evening with my family (11) around our fire pits (two) lovely Angus beef stew and fresh bread followed by Sarah Lee chocolate puds … beewtiful … The Minister did me proud!

    And tomorrow to come!

    Oh! And get fucked! 🙂

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:11 pm

    Someone once told me if the windscreen wipers are on the right of the steering column…… Run fast and keep running.

    Absobloodylutely! My first employer was state distributor for BMW, Saab and Nissan … the first two were expensive to buy and stupidly expensive to service (parts prices) … Nissan were generally better designed, built, chesper and easier to service …

    European cars are a poor economic buy here … always have been …

    Tell him to buy good quality and value – Hyundai !

  107. June 28, 2013 11:12 pm

    TB Happy Birthday Tomorrow
    *
    outlander + yomm , you have muddled my comments
    sparkie and plumber have jobs (mostly)
    want to work on mine for big$ tho and work consistancy
    (dole office totally un-related)

  108. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:34 pm

    “Spent a lovely evening with my family (11) around our fire pits (two) lovely Angus beef stew and fresh bread followed by Sarah Lee chocolate puds … beewtiful … The Minister did me proud!”

    No mention of the Bowlers Run Red ?

    You ungrateful bastard

    LOL

  109. June 28, 2013 11:41 pm

    Most mining electricians need to be mutliskilled or have experience in industrial control.
    Has he thought about going to tafe or uni to upskill.
    If he’s just a domestic electrician (roof rat) he’s got no chance.
    Industrial plumbers are a different animal to turd inspectors.
    Our local industrial plumber would give his right nut to get a good worker.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:47 pm

    Happy birthday TB, my daughter recently said to me- “why are you so old?”

    A tricky question, any suggestions about an answer? You’ve probably been asked more often than me!

  111. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 28, 2013 11:49 pm

    Steven Jones from the ALP is a very good media performer.

    He Was on Lateline tonight.

    Outstanding !

    I want him on the Today Show and Sunrise.

    Keep them coming Kev

    ROFLMAO

  112. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 29, 2013 1:22 am

    So you can feel so young would be wrong?

  113. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 29, 2013 1:22 am

    Lol

  114. Dianne permalink
    June 29, 2013 7:23 am

    Hi there. Thought I would drop in uninvited to say hello. You can come out of the cupboard. Not staying. I check out your nonsense sometimes. Enjoy it. In mourning for Julia.

  115. public toilet permalink
    June 29, 2013 7:56 am

    Dafuq?! 😯

  116. public toilet permalink
    June 29, 2013 7:57 am

    Happy 90th(?), TB!

  117. egg permalink
    June 29, 2013 8:43 am

    All the best TB, life begins at 66 if you’re young at heart. Assuming you havn’t abused yerself too much.

  118. egg permalink
    June 29, 2013 8:47 am

    Dianne you are not on your Robinson Caruso, all the female ‘rusted ons’ are taking this personally.

  119. June 29, 2013 9:20 am

    Happy birthday TB!

    I was going to buy you something from Lowes, but it’s difficult to know what to buy the man who’s already dressed entirely by them.

  120. IPA permalink
    June 29, 2013 9:32 am

    Many happy returns, TB, have a drink on me. (Cheque’s in the mail.)

  121. June 29, 2013 9:52 am

    Hi Diane,

    You don’t need an invitation to drop in, the door’s always open so feel free to drop in anytime… 🙂

  122. Dianne permalink
    June 29, 2013 10:03 am

    Thanks Reb. I enjoyed the tale about your trip to the dentist. Dentists should be running the country. They saw the fluoride future and turned all cosmetic on us. Lotsa spondoolicks in it too.

  123. Dianne permalink
    June 29, 2013 10:11 am

    Thanks for that Egg. Expected nothing less. Just amused to refer to u as Egg. Makes me laugh. Such a weird little word. Like a big torso on stumpy little legs. It is like the Intergalactic Bar in here.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    June 29, 2013 10:21 am

    Thanks for the BD wishes …

    ToM, ’tis just another number … 66 is how long I’ve been around that’s all … I know blokes half my age who have done and seen and know more than I ever wil … and blokes older who have done little and seen nowt and know nothing …

    Sadly I have a second cousin in the UK who has terminal cancer (and she has just been operated on after falling, caused by two blood clots in her head … another is being monitored – she is 41) … my favourite cousin – her father – is seven years older than me and he and his wife are are virtually dying with her … its awful to read his emails …

    Age is really irrelevant in the scheme of things its what you do every day for others and yourself … The Minister and I have a little saying these days (we have a lot of little sayings these days!)

    “In the scheme of things?” (ie is it really important enough to get stirred up over? Or should we just move on?)

    So on that note … Happy 90th(?), TB! Get fkd ya cheeky bastard!

    Every day’s a gift that’s why we call it the present! 🙂

  125. egg permalink
    June 29, 2013 10:36 am

    ‘It is like the Intergalactic Bar in here.’

    Yep, its a great space.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 29, 2013 1:33 pm

    ‘It is like the Intergalactic Bar in here.’

    Yes, it’s a little higher on the evolutionary scale than “some places”

  127. June 29, 2013 5:07 pm

    Nice to see you back Dianne. l agree.
    Dumpy amuses all of us.
    *
    don`t go feelin too depressed over Joolya,
    probably just stopped Mr-Rabbit`s reign of terror

  128. June 29, 2013 5:09 pm

    Dumpty amuses all of us.

  129. egg permalink
    June 29, 2013 5:47 pm

    I come with an ironic twist.

  130. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 29, 2013 11:10 pm

    It is good to see that Penny Wong admits she betrayed Gillard but only for the best and most honourable of motives

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/penny-wong-reveals-why-she-betrayed-julia-gillard/story-e6frfkp9-1226671770803

    OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott gave a “green light to the baying wolves” to attack Julia Gillard on the basis of gender, senior Labor Minister Penny Wong says.

    Senator Wong, South Australia’s most powerful Federal Labor representative, switched her support from Ms Gillard to Kevin Rudd in Wednesday’s ballot.”

    It was the AbbottAbbottAbbott that made her do it.

  131. That Scumbag Walrus permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:55 am

    Hope you had a good birthday TB

    A busy day today . Caught the tail end of a astronomical lecture at Sydney uni today.

    I know this is weird but it s something few of us ever realise when we look at it.

    When you see the sun rise or set you are watching something that actually happened 8 1/2 minutes ago.

    It’s so logical given the speed of light.

    But it’s something I’d never really considered.

    Am I alone ?

  132. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 7:36 am

    They sent up a satellite a few days ago to find out why the corona is ten times hotter than the sun’s surface. One of life’s little mysteries.

  133. June 30, 2013 9:24 am

    “Am I alone ?”

    In so many ways you can’t possibly imagine…. 😆

  134. Hummmph permalink
    June 30, 2013 10:16 am

    Earlier this year I went outside to admire the sunrise, and after a while I thought , what is that up there, any way I went inside and got the camera, took a couple of photos.
    Still couldn’t figure out what I was looking at, so off I go and grab Mr H out of bed to show him the UFO. He was a bit grumpy, said it was a plane, then out of nowhere another object appeared in the sky, closer this time, so I took a picture, Mr H still a bit grumpy, cause I woke him up, thought, better make him a cup of tea so went inside.
    Checked with google, and apparently there was a meteor shower that peaked that morning, and was possible to see 10 meteors an hour in Australia.
    Quadrandid shower every January, wish I had stayed outside a bit longer. If I ever figure put to post a photo on here ill share it with you guys.

  135. Tomof Melbourne permalink
    June 30, 2013 10:29 am

    Rudd’s in a honeymoon, he’ll need to call an election soon.

    It’s remarkable the way sentiment has changed, he’s now preferred PM, has the ALP level with the Liberals! Gillard and Swan are turning into unpleasant distant memories.

    Chris Bowen is far more mature and rational than Swan, not blustering or bullshitting, just answering questions. Bowne is smart, Swan is a dill.

    Swan struggled against Hockey, but he won’t stand a chance against Bowen.

    It’s fresh air.

  136. June 30, 2013 11:41 am

    Well he does’nt have the “world best treasurer” status yet….LOL
    Hockey will just say he didn’t stop the boats.
    You can imagine that Bowen will have to preside over lots of spending before the election or promises of spending after the election to soften the electorate up.
    Will that be a good look?

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:16 pm

    I can’t imagine Bowen making the stupid “surplus guaranteed” promises that Swan made. Bowen is measured, Swan bullshitted.

    Swan put politics before the economy, Bowen will be a capable administrator, for a politician.

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:34 pm

    Swan leaving is a plus for the government. However i suspect Swan did not contribute much. I am not totally sure how govt works but I suspect Swan just did what Treasury/Public Service told him.

    I am sure Costello would have said the pink batts program was a poor spend of our hard earned tax dollars and told Ken Henry no.

  139. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:43 pm

    ‘Will that be a good look?’

    Middle class welfare is off the agenda.

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:51 pm

    In so many ways you can’t possibly imagine….

    How ironic*, sreb … my thoughts word for word!

    *frightening?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wally, yes I did, thank you … some friends over last night sat around trying to get the new chimera fired up! (Don’t get much opportunity for lighting fires in Brissy!)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tommo … mmmmm … much more West Sydney than ToM…?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am sure Costello would have said the pink batts program was a poor spend of our hard earned tax dollars and told Ken Henry no.

    The comment above certainly proved this little gem of wisdom … I am not totally sure how govt works

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:55 pm

    “The comment above certainly proved this little gem of wisdom … I am not totally sure how govt works …”

    Why do you say that?? Costello would have had a bigger input into policies than Swan. I am sure Swan did just what he was advised by the PS whereas Costello would have been the other way around. Costello did say the pink batts program was a poor spend of money and would not have done it.

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:58 pm

    The problem government has is lowering personal income tax so low that they can’t actually “service” the needs of the community …

    Right now helping manufacturers, farmers and tourism to develop new/better/improved business models (and thus employ more people) should be the role of a Federal government … but there is no money in the coffers … so no help …

    … which means less employment opportunities which means more Centrlink assistance which means less taxes from business AND employees … increasing the GST won’t work because it goes to the states … we need national approach to developing …

    Reducing income taxes* … is an ever decreasing spiral downwards until the country disappears up its own arse!

    *and increasing middle class welfare …

  143. Hummmph permalink
    June 30, 2013 12:59 pm

    I’m going to vote for, and hope libs/ nat are elected.
    However if labor get in, it will be interesting to see how they pay for everything they have promised so far, before , they legislated so many big spend policies but thought the libs would have to pay.
    Either they will have to get real, or increase limit on the old credit and.

    As for k dud, labor got rid of the old dud, now he is the new dud, bit like old Julia, new Julia, real Julia. I think the old dud is the real dud.

    Bowen had better be a better treasurer than he was immigration minister, that’s all I can say.

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 1:04 pm

    Why do you say that??

    Coupla reasons …

    … Ken Henry had nothing to do with the insulation program (pink batts is a tradename BTW) …

    … Ken Henry advised, Tip Custard AND Wayne Swan …

    … Tip spent most his time sat on his arse counting money rather than putting it to work on infrastructure … in hindsight very lucky (not a conscious decision) because of the GFC – something he didn’t see until the “financial tsunami” had hit the EU … sl-o-o-o-ow

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 1:07 pm

    “The problem government has is lowering personal income tax so low that they can’t actually “service” the needs of the community …

    That is an interesting point. ALP supporters go way back SIX years and blame the Costello tax cuts for causing problems in the budget.

    For some reason they do not go to the May 2013 budget ie 2 months ago, and have a go at Swan for tax cuts.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.

    Swan even compares his tax cuts to those in Costello’s last budget. But ALP supporters do not seem to know that Swan has been giving tax cuts.

  146. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 1:09 pm

    Rudd only needs to fix a couple of portfolios and he’s almost home and hosed.

  147. June 30, 2013 1:19 pm

    Perhaps the sweetest part of the Rudd returnification is that Tony will now actually have to “talk” rather than simply glide silently into the PM ship..

    And that’s one thing the Libs don’t do particularly well – explaining why anyone really ought to vote for them.

  148. Hummmph permalink
    June 30, 2013 1:21 pm

    Same as labor, not one of them in the past six years has been able to convince me to vote for them. Seems like most people have made up their minds any way.
    Even if Gillard had stayed I think things would have been tighter at election time.

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 1:31 pm

    “… Ken Henry had nothing to do with the insulation program”

    How do you know?? You don’t think it was Swans idea do you??

    Tip spent most his time sat on his arse counting money rather than putting it to work on infrastructure

    I have heard this lie many times. And it is a lie. My understanding is that most infrastructure spending is done by the States. The Commonwealth has always contributed however. But I have never seen any figures that Howard spent less than say Hawke/Keating.

    This was Howards/Costello future infrastructure spending in their last budget.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/ministerial/html/dotars-31.htm

    The Australian Government will invest $22.3 billion in Australia’s land transport system from 2009–10 to 2013–14, under the second stage of its National Land Transport Plan—AusLink 2. AusLink 2 is the biggest investment in land transport infrastructure ever made by an Australian Government. It is 41 per cent larger than the current AusLink programme, which runs from 2004 to 2008–09. The Australian Government is now investing $15.8 billion under the current programme from 2004 to June 2009, including $250 million in extra funding that the Government will spend on AusLink Strategic Regional projects in 2006-07.

    AUSLINK 1 ran from 2004-2009 and AUSLINK 2 runs from 2009-2014. And Howard spent on infrastructure before 2004

    When you told me just before the 2007 that Howard did not spend on infrastructure was a lie.

  150. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 1:56 pm

    ‘Seems like most people have made up their minds any way.’

    I disagree, there are a lot of Labor voters who need to be brought back into the fold. At the moment they are hangin’ around with the free finkers.

    ‘Even if Gillard had stayed I think things would have been tighter at election time.’

    Doubt that, too many blunders.

    Kev has to be Mr Fixit and the task is enormous, to undo Julia’s most unpopular decisions.
    The key to the PM’s thinking, his seriousness to win, will be determined by his choice of CC minister.

  151. Dianne permalink
    June 30, 2013 2:31 pm

    Aren’t they back in the fold already Egg. Today’s polls seem to suggest that. But not the ladies perhaps? As it stands now we will be looking at a choice between two pork chops. At least I am getting a few laughs at kR’s subversive blue tie. I will check every morn to see if it is in place. His ties are much more attractive than Abbott’s. Btw Tony looks quite tiny these days. It must be a hellish life.

  152. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 2:59 pm

    ‘Aren’t they back in the fold already Egg.’

    He got a bounce in the polls, but that is no indication of the final outcome. Labor is still behind and will need to pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat.

    The electorate really is more interested in platform than personalities.

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 3:05 pm

    A big failure of the ALP is with asylum seekers. Under Howard we took 14,000 refugees from camps. These were the most disadvantaged.

    Under Labor we are now taking 14,000 people with $10,000. And Bob Carr has just come out and said they are economic refugees. Not the people we should be taking under our humantarian program. They arrive on boats looking well, with mobile phones, computers and most probably some cash left over after paying a people smuggler.

    And no ALP supporter seems to care.

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 3:13 pm

    “The electorate really is more interested in platform than personalities.

    I don’t think so. It was Rudds personality that won the 2007 election. Like I said before 45% vote ALP/Greens, 40% vote Coalition and we have 15% swingers.

    ALP supporters are so tribal they will invent any reason not to vote for Abbott.

  155. Dianne permalink
    June 30, 2013 3:38 pm

    I am not certain either that a party’s platform is of more interest than personalities. Depends what the platform is I suppose. Neil it is frightening to think that Rudd got in the first time on personality. I cannot understand the appeal. As for ALP supporters being tribal, so are the Libs. Check out my aunts. Only a handful of us make a diff. And Egg Rudd has made a mighty leap in less than a week. I think Labor will win.

  156. June 30, 2013 3:39 pm

    Kneel_ ” ALP supporters are so tribal they will invent any reason not to vote for Abbott.’ ‘ ‘
    Fascinating kneel.
    lt doesn`t really explain those that never were going to vote for Mr-Rabbit and never believed the teabags were just going to `slide` into Boganville tho. Let`s face it Kneel, Mr-Rabbit`s done, only `trainees` like Hummphy and Dumpty believe you.

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 3:46 pm

    As for ALP supporters being tribal, so are the Libs.

    Yep but near as I can make it you either have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and facts are irrelevant.

    However ALP supporters are the worst case. Unemployment over 10% for 30 months under Keating- still vote Labor. Howard takes unemployment to 4.3%- still vote Labor.

    What gets me about Labor is their supporters and politicians tell lies about the Coalition govt and the 40% of Australians that vote Conservative.

    There is no excuse for that.

  158. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 3:47 pm

    ‘I think Labor will win.’

    Yeah, that is a huge bounce 2PP.

    ‘The Labor Party is also back in the electoral fight with a two-party preferred result of 49 per cent to the Coalition’s 51 per cent.’

    Daily Terror

  159. June 30, 2013 3:54 pm

    Yes Kneel _ Lets look at some FACTS
    *
    2010 Mr-Rabbit and Joolya both despised by voters,
    and hated the 2010 election.
    *
    2007 Voters enthusiastic about election,
    Kevin07 very popular.
    *
    2013 is such a hard call.

  160. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 3:56 pm

    If Labor wins without having to change policy settings, then I’ll be disappointed in the electorate.

  161. June 30, 2013 4:01 pm

    Speaking of electorates EGG, keep an eye out for when the recently vacated electorates replace/find new candidates. (drop_links)

  162. June 30, 2013 4:35 pm

    l Don`t usually
    watch boltreportland, but l watched today just to see Bolt foam at the mouth.
    *
    l didn`t end up `over-informed`

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 4:38 pm

    ALP supporters go way back SIX years and blame the Costello tax cuts for causing problems in the budget.

    You mentioned Costello … I said “governments” … we’re not all as one-eyed as you, Kneel …

    What most of us here (even Lib supporters) is how you see ALP supporters doing exactly what you do …

    Kneel, Ser Kneel …

    (Just been watching Game of Thrones …) 😉

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 4:40 pm

    What most of us here find amusing (even Lib supporters – I suspect)

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 4:45 pm

    The ultimate in denial statements …

    Mr Abbott was not surprised Labor’s leadership change had inspired a shift in the polls.

    “We’ve always said that the polls would tighten, they would have tightened under Julia Gillard, of course they have tightened under Kevin Rudd. That’s what I would expect,” he told reporters in Melbourne on Sunday.

    Either that or he just fkn stupid …

  166. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:02 pm

    If Labor wins with Rudd at the helm, without a change in policy, then I will be forced to agree with the rusted on wimmen.

    There are a too many misogynists on this big sandy island.

  167. June 30, 2013 5:08 pm

    The Night Is Dark & Full Of Terrors for, Ser Kneel.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:09 pm

    Ya don’t suppose that some people – I repeat, people – might think that Rudd is a bit better than Gillard to lead the charge? Regardless of gender …

    The silly blue ties statement got a lot of people off side … I wear a blue tie but I’m far from a mysoginist … ya see gender bias can work both ways … just like racism …

  169. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:11 pm

    ‘they would have tightened under Julia Gillard’

    Liar.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:11 pm

    G’day Ser T, just finished Season 2 … my Teutonic, mate turned up with some DVD’s last night and lo and behold there is Season 3! 😉

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:13 pm

    You mentioned Costello … I said “governments” … we’re not all as one-eyed as you, Kneel …”

    Ah yes, Mr One-eyed calls me one-eyed. When is the last time you voted for the Liberal Party??

    “… Tip spent most his time sat on his arse counting money rather than putting it to work on infrastructure”

    Really???

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/ministerial/html/dotars-31.htm

    You should read the whole page but this is impressive.

    “The Roads to Recovery Programme provides local councils with extra funding to maintain and upgrade their road networks. Since the Government established the programme in 2001, councils have used it to build more than 25,000 projects on the roads that Australians use every day.”

    25,000 projects were funded by Howard in just one project the “Roads to Recovery Programme

    And you wonder why i do not believe anything you say.

  172. June 30, 2013 5:15 pm

    Awesome, Ser B.

    There are some very juicy bits to watch in S3 too.

    I’m amazed at how many people, who virtually never read at all, are buying & struggling through the books; just because they want to know what happens next.

    It has pervaded the zeitgeist.

    Usually, my daughter, who’d read em all before me, was the only one I could discuss the books with. That is changing in recent times.

    Did you like The Others at the end of S2? 😯

  173. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:17 pm

    ‘…might think that Rudd is a bit better than Gillard to lead the charge?’

    I’ll give him time, in the run up to the election, but he’ll have to change policy and put Abbott’s platform in the shade.

  174. June 30, 2013 5:18 pm

    Loved the undead horse. Really hate horses, so a decomposing one that still walks, with death astride it, appeals to me.

    Wait until you see the way they’ve handled the Bolton plot thread in S3.

  175. June 30, 2013 5:26 pm

    So, hows those noise polls
    Tom_of_Snacky-Walrus-Egg-Kneel-OSY..?
    *
    (still don`t care)

  176. June 30, 2013 5:40 pm

    Who will win the electoral turducken?! 😯

  177. June 30, 2013 5:47 pm

    Excuss my ignorance but who is:
    Tip Custard
    I googled is but all I could find is tips on making egg and milk based gooey stuff.

  178. June 30, 2013 5:50 pm

    WRONG Question.
    Who will LOSE the electoral turducken?!
    *
    The same guy who lost the last turducken.

  179. June 30, 2013 5:56 pm

    Tip Custard = Peter Costello

  180. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 5:56 pm

    Sir Kneel will get a laff out of that outlander.

    Before Mr Rudd announces his full ministry tomorrow… I’m punting on Joel Fitzgibbon for CC minister.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 6:14 pm

    Did you like The Others at the end of S2?

    Wights really do give you the creeps – but the graphics are fab … and yes, the horse was a blow away too … I didn’t recall (or imagine) so many when I read the book (I’m now finding “bits” missing (ie the cable in the Blackwater Battle) …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And you wonder why i do not believe anything you say.

    Do you think I GAF?

    I enjoy reading everything the Young Liberals get you to say …

    When did you vote for the ALP?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    outlndr

    Keating called Costello, Tip, because that’s all there was to him nothing else (in The Iceberg Theory -generally used for accident control – but other management issues – there is a deeper “body” of information and substabce – Tip Custard has none … all you get is the Tip)

    Custard, was my invention … because of his spineless “attempts” at taking the leadership off Howard (or wanting it “given” to him)…

    I had some respect for, Costello, when he first hit the scene but that dwindled as his incompetence/laziness peaked during 2007 …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 6:16 pm

    When did you vote for the ALP? – Actually, how many times have you voted … have you ever voted?

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 6:19 pm

    “Do you think I GAF?

    No I don’t. Like all ALP supporters you think you are more moral than anyone else.

    When you vote you look at Conservative voters and say i am not like those people who only care about money. I am more moral than those people. i actually care about people or so you think.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 6:27 pm

    Why thank you, Kneel … I hadn’t thought about it like that ..

    So how many times have you been moral enough to vote ALP …?

  185. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 6:27 pm

    Paul Kelly says Rudd will drop the carbon tax and on asylum seekers the PM agree with me, the majority of hopefuls are illegal economic migrants.

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 6:48 pm

    A lay down misère then, egg … you just keep coming up with them … it’s really amazing … and the PM agrees with you … well FMD! And thank goodness for P Kelly!

    Everybody is a fkn expert mindreader these days … Liberal party Crack’d Crystal Balls have all come out to play again … they were pretty cheap on eBay after 2007 though …

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 30, 2013 7:10 pm

    This is the person almost 50% of people are going to vote for

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/in-his-sights-covert-kevins-mission-to-get-julia-20130629-2p3p7.html

    Rudd has always displayed erratic work tendencies, plus a Jekyll-and-Hyde personality. His mercurial temper and appalling treatment of any member of staff or bureaucrat he considered an underling was legendary; these traits were occasionally reported when he was opposition leader, and again — sporadically — when he became PM. In the lead-up to the events of June 23 and 24, these tendencies bordered on the manic. Of all his ministers, Gillard and Wayne Swan most intimately knew how unhinged Rudd had become in the first half of 2010; so, too, did most of his staff. Perhaps, in his heart of hearts, Rudd knew it about himself as well. He may have possessed an overweening ambition to succeed and slick PR skills, but he did not, and still does not, have that essential mix necessary to lead a political party: a steely and steady personality, the ability to be calm under great pressure and under the weight of extreme criticism, and consistently clear thinking.

  188. egg permalink
    June 30, 2013 7:14 pm

    More women in the Ministry than any previous government, Kev’s travelling well. If he keeps this up Abbott may in fact lose the un-loseable election, then Talcum surely must become Opposition leader.

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 7:47 pm

    So, Kneel, how many times have you voted? Ever?

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    June 30, 2013 7:53 pm

    This is the person almost 50% of people are going to vote for

    No its not, its someone’s opinion … and you are just perpetuating it … (or following Young Lib instructions as usual)

    Learn to think for yourself …

  191. June 30, 2013 8:46 pm

    egg_ ‘ ‘ Abbott may in fact lose the un-loseable election,’ ‘
    sounds familiar egg, where have you heard that before.?
    have you been thrown off the tea-trolley.?

  192. IPA permalink
    July 1, 2013 11:05 am

    TB: “The problem government has is lowering personal income tax so low that they can’t actually “service” the needs of the community … Right now helping manufacturers, farmers and tourism to develop new/better/improved business models (and thus employ more people) should be the role of a Federal government … but there is no money in the coffers … so no help …”

    Someone who thinks government is the answer might say that. Someone who thinks government is the problem might say tax cuts are a good thing. People get to keep more of their hard-earned and spend it as they see fit, not as government decrees. They may choose to spend some of this extra money with businesses that offer goods and services at prices they are willing to pay. Those with bad “business models” would not survive. The same goes for farmers and tourism operators.

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2013 11:24 am

    Speaking of hockey sticks, labor has created one with their boat arrivals

    I think that unless we are willing to take all 30 million refugees around the world we have to have a quota system. And if we have a quota system we should decide which refugees we take.

    We did this under Howard. Now we only take asylum seekers with $10,000 who look well dressed having mobile phones and computers.

    I think we should go back to taking our humanitarian quota from UNHCR camps.

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 11:24 am

    Why pay tax at all … everything these days is user “pays anyway” … and we all know how privatisation has improved the price and service of things like water, power and roads … you know stuff we all use daily …

    Just get rid of the government altogether and defence force, police, emergency services and we can all hire mercenaries and security guards … when people are mentally unstable – just shoot ’em … if you want something just get your security gueards to go and get – pick on those who can’t afford security guards or aren’t members of a community gang would be easier …

    Or just emigrate to AMERICA! The land of the fkn free (for the taking) …

    Ya see, ToSY, the world you and people like Abbott envision didn’t work in the 14th century … so I doubt it would now … systems change === but people don’t …

    Someone who thinks government is the answer might say that and one who believes democratically elected government has a role to play in an ordered society …

    And the same someone WOULD say that subsidising, with taxpayers money, “private”, religious organisations, (who don’t pay tax), to brainwash kids in adult feary stories could be better used too …

  195. IPA permalink
    July 1, 2013 11:42 am

    “Just get rid of the government altogether and defence force, police, emergency services and we can all hire mercenaries and security guards”

    Yeah, that’s taking the argument for smaller government to it’s absurd conclusion: if you think small government is better, then no government must be best. The reverse is to say that if more government intervention is better, then total government control is best.

    I’m no anarchist and see defence, law enforcement etc as legitimate roles of government.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 2:09 pm

    But not assistance to generate employment? To create national wealth, a stable economy, security for all?

    Then you would have been against bank guarantees during and after the GFC … the market system can’t support itself anymore than the command system can …

  197. egg permalink
    July 1, 2013 2:41 pm

    Nice graph Nils.

  198. IPA permalink
    July 1, 2013 3:11 pm

    “But not assistance to generate employment? To create national wealth, a stable economy, security for all?”

    In free-market economics employment and wealth aren’t created by governments, although they do have a policy role to play.

    “Then you would have been against bank guarantees during and after the GFC …”

    Being a shareholder in a couple of the big banks, I was certainly a beneficiary of it. You might remember there was a flood of money out of building societies etc into the big four. So purely as a policy measure it had mixed results.

    “the market system can’t support itself anymore than the command system can …”

    You’re correct that without government being able to enforce contracts and protect private property (through police and the courts) the whole system would collapse.

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2013 3:27 pm

    “Then you would have been against bank guarantees during and after the GFC … “

    The government made money out of the Bank Guarantees.

    In any event it may have been better to let the US Banks fail. Failure is a necessary part of the workings of the market. I can see case for short-term funding, but not the kind of corporate welfare GM received from Obama, mainly to help the ruinous unions.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 3:33 pm

    Yer, fudging again, ToSY, you know bloody well that left to purely market forces many businesses would not be around today … GM is one of them … if the GFC taught people nothing else it was how fragile capitalist economies are … and how they have to be massaged and manipulated with other people’s money to survive …

    The value of the capital I accumulated to generate our income is diluted every time a US dollar is printed that has no real, productive value … we’re just paying for the greed of The Robber Barons … many of whom are still not serving gaol sentences for stealing … and are now doing it again …

    Be prepared for another massive collapse in 2014 …

  201. IPA permalink
    July 1, 2013 3:52 pm

    “left to purely market forces many businesses would not be around today … GM is one of them”

    Yes, I do, and that’s what (I argued at the time) should have happened.

    “The value of the capital I accumulated to generate our income is diluted every time a US dollar is printed that has no real, productive value.”

    Printing money is another example of the ill-effects of government intervention.

  202. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    “…………..when people are mentally unstable – just shoot ‘em”

    You should post that bit up over at the Cafe.

    LOL

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 4:35 pm

    Printing money is another example of the ill-effects of government intervention.

    So what do I barter with? Too old and wrinkly to sell my body … 🙄

  204. IPA permalink
    July 1, 2013 4:40 pm

    In case you actually misunderstood me, and you’re not just being a smart arse, I was referring to so-called “quantitative easing”. 😐

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 4:46 pm

    Me! Being a smart arse? I leave that to the wee Scots lad wot runs the joint … BTW, where is, Jummy?

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    “Me! Being a smart arse? I leave that to the wee Scots lad wot runs the joint … BTW, where is, Jummy?”

    Maybe he is feeling a little under-appreciated – “… and thirdly because “you lot” probably couldn’t care less anyway.” How do you give someone a virtual hug on a blog? I can’t find an emoticon for that.

    Or maybe the dentist really got to him?

    I hope he doesn’t blow up the joint – I try really hard to play nice with the other kiddies. I could even try being a lefty for a week if that helps.

  207. egg permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:09 pm

    ‘I could even try being a lefty for a week if that helps.’

    I stands wiv yer bruvver, I’ve got previous.

  208. July 1, 2013 5:15 pm

    I’ve been busy, you know, working for a living…..

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:16 pm

    Oh dear … don’t let, Kneel, hear you two …

    … have the other lot got to 1,000,001 yet? … 🙄 so they can all have a groupthink hug and move on …

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:18 pm

    ge’ awae wi’ ye, Jummy! Ya grea’ lump a bla’ pewdin’ ya!

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:21 pm

    LOL! Couldn’t help a quick visit … polls are so important to people … chuckle … 😛

  212. July 1, 2013 5:32 pm

    “so they can all have a groupthink hug and move on …”

    The thing I find simply extraordinary about teh cafe, is that they all hate Kevin Rudd, yet he is the only one capable of saving the Labor Party..

    It’s quite bizarre really.

  213. egg permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    Pascoe offers the Ruddster some tips on the way forward….

    ‘Professor McKibbin has been the most radical, suggesting the government borrow big, in the hundreds of billions of dollars big, at low single-digit interest rates and use the money to build infrastructure that offers double-digit rates of return.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/if-kevin-is-looking-for-a-big-idea-20130701-2p6vl.html#ixzz2XmHkvHwT

  214. July 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    We luvs ya, reb. 🙂

  215. egg permalink
    July 1, 2013 5:50 pm

    Yep, we do.

  216. July 1, 2013 5:56 pm

    “The thing I find simply extraordinary about teh cafe, is that they all hate Kevin Rudd, yet he is the only one capable of saving the Labor Party..”

    If a person was vindictive enough, and had enough dead time on their hands (which rules out just about everyone here, methinks), it would be simple & hilarious to go back through the litany of pro-Rudd & anti-Rudd comments made by some of the ‘feature creatures’ at the Crapfe & make a compendium of hypocrisy & servile Partytard behaviour from them.
    The evidence is there, longterm & in black & white. Great mirth would ensue from juxtaposing ‘near-recent’ politically motivated commentary about Rudd/Labor with current & future excrement gushing.

    I’m sure they must erase their own memory banks at the end of every week. How else can their unfathomable contortions be explained. Beats the fuck out of me.

    Self deception that elaborate is an art in itself.

    I think it comes down to the monocular fraud of ‘My Party, Right Or Wrong’…like there are no alternatives to conforming with the latest official stance.

  217. July 1, 2013 6:02 pm

    I love youse all too… 🙂

  218. egg permalink
    July 1, 2013 8:11 pm

    ‘Self deception that elaborate is an art in itself.’

    Pathological liars are an extension of that phenomenon, along with mass delusion.

  219. July 1, 2013 9:18 pm

    Hummphy
    Are you watching tonights 4corners on abc1..?
    4corners said there is 4 to 5 job-seekers for each available job.
    (that`s probably an `average` so will vary from place to place)
    *didn`t say if jobs were all FULL-time/gainfull-employment tho

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