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Kevin Rudd promises to weed out the Rot and Corruption from Labor’s Ranks

July 4, 2013
On the war path

On the war path

****A STUNNING GUTTER TRASH EXCLUSIVE INVESTIGATIVE PROBE REPORT BULLETIN ANNOUNCEMENT*****

 

  • Kevin Rudd declares war against right wing Union factions
  • Aims to weed out the disgusting filth and corruption from Labor’s ranks
  • Wants to modernise the party

 

Re-anointed Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has announced an ambitious plan to stop the rot in the Labor Party and rid the party of its domination by the right wing Union factions that deposed his leadership in 2010 and replaced him with Union stooge Julia Gillard.

Mr Rudd wants to weed out corruption from within Labor ranks and reduce the influence of “wealthy property developers” on the party.

In an extraordinary showdown,  Labor’s national executive will effectively take over the operations of the NSW branch of the Labor Party.

New rules will be imposed on the Party including a “zero tolerance” of corruption and the ability to remove members who are under investigation for any wrongdoing.

 

APPALLED!

Mr Rudd said he was “appalled” at the revelations emerging from NSW’s Independent Commission Against Corruption, and that it was time to reform the tainted branch.

He said wanted a more democratic party that was free of corruption and more representative of the face of modern Australia.

“The time has come to modernise the Australian Labor Party. We need to open the windows and the doors of the great Australian Labor Party to the Australian community,” he said.

“Of course, therefore, the task of wider reform of the Australian Labor Party beyond NSW lies ahead of us, and I’ll have more to say on that in the future.”

 

HE’S LIKE A CAGED ANIMAL!

The Coalition said the idea of Mr Rudd reforming NSW Labor was a “joke”

“It’s like the caged animal trying to force an investigation into the zoo keeper,” opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey said.

“The NSW branch has given him the prime ministership on two occasion. And now he thinks he’s going to investigate them fairly? He’s treating people like fools.

“We’ve got to get rid of the fake Kevin Rudd and get someone to run the country in a stable, predictable and trustworthy manner.”

Mr Rudd launched the NSW Labor takeover in consultation with branch secretary Sam Dastyari and NSW opposition leader John Robertson, and praised the efforts of both men in addressing corruption in the branch.

Under the impending rule changes, members with corruption findings against them would be expelled from the party, and those being investigated for improper conduct could be suspended.

Property developers will also be banned from standing for public office, while the branch will be subjected to independent oversight by a former judge or senior lawyer.

An ALP ombudsman will be appointed to deal with internal complaints, while a charter of members’ rights and responsibilities will also be drawn up.

NSW Labor leader John Robertson said the move was long overdue.

“The intervention of the Prime Minister continues that reform and will see significant reforms put in place that can give people confidence that Labor is cleaning up its act and getting on with developing itself in a way that the public can have confidence in,” Mr Robertson told ABC Radio.

Disclosures and allegations of corruption by senior Labor MPs and government officials raised at the NSW ICAC have blackened Labor’s image and turned voters off the party in huge numbers.

The disclosures at ICAC played a major role in the drastic downfall of the NSW state Labor government in 2011 and have damaged the federal ALP in its western Sydney heartland.

 

 

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176 Comments leave one →
  1. egg permalink
    July 4, 2013 1:07 pm

    81% of SMH readers are supportive of Kev’s initial effort to reform the party.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2013 1:50 pm

    Gillard wouldn’t and couldn’t do anything to reform this corrupt organisation, she was quite comfortable working with it.

    This was due to her outstanding ‘outstanding negotiation skills’. Gillard’s main attribute was her ability to accommodate the entire range of ethical standards.

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2013 2:12 pm

    There will be nothing left! He is ripping out the heart of Unionland!

  4. Dianne permalink
    July 4, 2013 2:25 pm

    fava beans and a nice chianti?

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2013 3:10 pm

    Mr Rudd said he was “appalled” at the revelations emerging from NSW’s Independent Commission Against Corruption, and that it was time to reform the tainted branch.

    Mr Abbott could follow suit and investigate Noddy Newman’s Circus …

    A state with no money but every shiny arse in parliament gets a fkn HUGE pay increase AND backpay … including retired pollies!

    Hockey is a Fuckwit™ … I’m beginning to see why the ALP had to change leaders … the Opposition don’t know where to turn … Rudd’s like the Scarlet Pimpernel …

    They seek him here, they seek him there,
    Those LibNits seek him everywhere.
    Is he in heaven? — Is he in hell?
    That damned, elusive Pimpernel

  6. July 4, 2013 3:55 pm

    As someone who has actually been in front of the administrative disputes committee and someone aligned to Robert Faulkner, I got the word last night this was going down… Rudd is going to burn all the rot in the NSW branch. Poprl like me were black listed because of our opposition to branch stacking then n40’s The new reforms
    are
    The package includes
    A zero tolerance approach to corruption, allowing the Party to immediately expel those found guilty of corrupt conduct;
    A ban on property developers from becoming Labor Candidates;
    The introduction of judicial oversight on internal Party matters;
    Ensure the Administrative Committee is made up of 50% rank-and-file Labor members; and
    The establishment of a Charter of Rights and Responsibilities.

    As the Party rules cannot be altered without holding a Conference in NSW, the rules will be changed by the Federal Executive of the Labor Party and ratified at the next NSW Labor Annual State Conference.

    These are the toughest governance measures in the history of Australian politics and seek to restore faith in our Party structure by encouraging transparency.

    Word is Abbott is shitting bricks, broadsided by Indonesia, reform and the debate (expect the asylum seeker bullshit an Faux Christian douche) Scott Morrison to implode as Rudd hits the source.
    Abbott looked like a dean in the headlights, stuck on a broken record..its time for his bullshit to stop, ne puts up or packs up.
    The media wanted a popularity contest and the fake floposition played along..well they have it for better or worse..in one corner, rockstar hugh jackman… in the other ivan milat guy you avoid at parties who wants to punch you out when you smoke his ignorance.

    Rudd will win this election because he has something the opposition does not, charisma and popularity…

  7. July 4, 2013 3:56 pm

    sorry my phone is dyslexic..

  8. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:24 pm

    Oh Dear

    Seems even a state Coroner has now been corrupted by the Murdoch Octopuss of Corruption.

    Before one employs anyone its always a good idea to have a look at their track record and get them to fully explain any “glitches” don’t ya think ?

    “…………..But the Coroner’s report raises new questions about how much Mr Rudd’s department knew or should have known about the dangers posed by the insulation scheme.

    The report contains a catalogue of failings by federal and state government agencies to take note of concerns about the lack of safety training for workers who were installing the foil insulation.

    It also notes the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet did not respond to warnings issued by the Queensland Building Services Authority about the program.

    “It is reasonable to conclude the dangers should have been foreseen and mitigated before three people died in Queensland and another in New South Wales,” the report said.

    Read more: http://www.couriermail.com.au/national-news/queensland/coroner8217s-findings-over-home-insulation-deaths-a-blow-to-kevin-rudd/story-fnii5v6w-1226674378071#ixzz2Y3TZwjhO

  9. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:25 pm

    “Word is Abbott is shitting bricks”

    In your dreams.

    More like taking a calm approach. Afterall there will be plenty of time to have debates once an election date is named.

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:41 pm

    Abbott is shit-scared of Rudd. TB is right with the Scarlet Pimpernel allusion.

    The Libs should hope Rudd delays the election and that the voters have time to work him out. There is a huge gap between the way the public sees Rudd and the way the commentariat sees him. If Rudd doesn’t over-reach he could well win the election. If he moves quickly to an ETS (effectively gutting the carbon tax) I will probably vote for him. A trivial carbon tax is better than Abbott’s direct action plan.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:44 pm

    More like taking a calm approach

    LOL! I’ve noticed a more “shrill” note in your posts just lately … upped it a gear? Dear?

    Coroners reports are just that – the coroners “opinion” … the OH&S responsibility rests with states, WH&S departments … certainly not the QBSA, primarily a bulders registration and insurance organisation …

    Foil insulation has ALWAYS been a problem … while Peter Garrett was/is a Dickwit® it wasn’t his or the government’s responsiblity … no more than truck accidents are a Federal Government responsibility … or CPA’s* stuffing up their clients’ tax returns … 😉

  12. July 4, 2013 4:44 pm

    “Rudd will win this election because he has something the opposition does not, charisma and popularity…”

    I sincerely hope so.

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:45 pm

    I reckon Rudd and his crew have come up with a strategy to deal with the negatives Labor had under Gillard – carbon tax, Labor corruption, union influence and the refugee crisis. The last is the hardest to deal with and the one the Libs should focus on. If Rudd convinces people that Abbott’s plan can’t work or won’t be much better then he will walk it in, because as Ricky said: “Rudd will win this election because he has something the opposition does not, charisma and popularity…”

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:46 pm

    A trivial carbon tax is better than Abbott’s direct action plan.

    But … it is only a “plan”* … do Abbott & The Acolytes actually have a “policy” on anything?

    * and a silly, childish little plan it is … free tree anyone?

  15. July 4, 2013 4:47 pm

    “More like taking a calm approach.”

    LOL!!

    You mean like this?

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:49 pm

    I think Abbott would be shitting himself. If he loses this election, he’ll be the longest serving LOTO without ever becoming PM.

    When he was last PM, Rudd may have stuffed up a few policies and programs-
    *Home insulation
    *Cash handouts
    *Mini amphitheaters/school halls

    But now that he’s ousted Gillard and taking on the hacks/warlords/power brokers… I’m blaming Swan for all those failures.

  17. July 4, 2013 5:02 pm

    “I think Abbott would be shitting himself.”

    I agree.

    “If he loses this election, he’ll be the longest serving LOTO without ever becoming PM”

    That would be a wonderful achievement! Fingers crossed…!!

  18. egg permalink
    July 4, 2013 5:07 pm

    “Rudd will win this election because he has something the opposition does not, charisma and popularity…”

    Popular yes, charismatic no.

    ‘A certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities.’

    Max Weber

  19. July 4, 2013 5:21 pm

    If Rudd is not charismatic, what does that make Tony Abbott??

  20. egg permalink
    July 4, 2013 5:28 pm

    Tabit has to man up, his small target armour is out of date.

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2013 5:29 pm

    “If Rudd is not charismatic, what does that make Tony Abbott??”

    Uhhh, errrrr, uhhh, lost for words. He reminds me of George W Bush without the polish.

  22. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 5:40 pm

    “If he moves quickly to an ETS (effectively gutting the carbon tax) I will probably vote for him.”

    So you prefer to have the cost of carbon permits determined by Brussels…………………that’s interesting.

    We finally join the EU

    Goodluck with that in the future

  23. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 5:58 pm

    “I’ve noticed a more “shrill” note in your posts just lately … upped it a gear? Dear?”

    Not really

    ALP Primary vote 2010 was 38%. The Greens vote was 12% and the ALP got 85% on 2PP. That got the ALP to 50.12% 2PP.

    The latest Newspoll had the ALP at just 35%. Big f**king deal……!

    People voting “Other” which was largely Green in the 2010 are going to be Green plus Palmer and Katter this time around. The flow of preferences is not going to go 85% to the ALP.

    You Ruddsters have absolutely nothing to sing about at the moment.

    Wake me up when you get your Primary upto around 43%.

    Then I’ll get shrill………………LOL

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2013 6:07 pm

    ALP Primary vote 2010 was 38%. The Greens vote was 12% and the ALP got 85% on 2PP. That got the ALP to 50.12% 2PP.

    And first place – government … maybe Bobblehead Abbott (didn’t he want to thump the reporter!) should have bared his arse for Windsor … 🙂

    You Ruddsters have absolutely nothing to sing about at the moment.

    Well “you” Abbott stick puppets certainly don’t … 😛

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2013 6:09 pm

    No I’m pragmatic – a low carbon tax is better than an equally idiotic and likely cheaper direct action plan. The coalition’s direct action plan shows exactly why they should not be trusted with power. It is utterly useless and, in addition it shows that they are compromised and unprincipled. They will not just come out and state the bleeding obvious which is that for the last fifteen years there has been no global warming, the climate models have all got this very wrong and we need to put the whole global warming scare to one side.

    It shouldn’t be this hard – we have more evidence now and we now have the luxury of reviewing the predictions and the ‘science’ has not been vindicated and cannot explain the current temperature flatline given the continuing increase in CO2. So why not just admit this and defer expenditure until we know a bit more.

  26. July 4, 2013 6:11 pm

    “Well “you” Abbott stick puppets certainly don’t …”

    LOL! 😆

  27. egg permalink
    July 4, 2013 6:15 pm

    ‘So why not just admit this and defer expenditure until we know a bit more.’

    Hear hear….

    And the other festering sore can also be easily healed.

    ‘Australia’s most recent defence attaché to Jakarta says the prospect of conflict with our nearest neighbour is not realistic and that turning asylum seeker boats back to Indonesia can work.’

    Andrew Greene / ABC

  28. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 6:46 pm

    “And first place – government …”

    And still you miss the point. I’m sure the ALP strategists understand what you cannot.

    Which gives me great heart as the election draws closer

    Here……perhaps this from a “Right Wing Think Tank”…….LOL

    http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/03/does-labor-need-a-primary-vote-in-the-low-40s-to-win/

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2013 7:11 pm

    If the ALP get to 50.1% on 2Pp, they’re likely to form government.

  30. July 4, 2013 8:04 pm

    “If the ALP get to 50.1% on 2Pp, they’re likely to form government.”

    Agreed YoM!

  31. IPA permalink
    July 4, 2013 8:11 pm

    The situation in Egypt exemplifies why democracy is “the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time”*. Just over half the population voted for an Islamist president. The rest – just under half, who are secularist, Christian, whatever – were subject to the tyranny of the majority. One half of the population tried to impose on the other half a system that is totally unacceptable to them. This could not last, and something had to give. In this case, it led to a (completely undemocratic) military coup.

    *Churchill

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2013 8:30 pm

    I visited Egypt many, many many years ago.*

    Way back then it was relatively western, with popular nightclubs, flirtatious young women, plenty of alcohol.

    It really didn’t seem like the place where Islamic fundamentalism would get a toe hold. I’ve found the popularity of religion in Egypt counter intuitive.

    (*get the picture, this was a long time ago)

  33. egg permalink
    July 4, 2013 9:09 pm

    Perhaps a benevolent dictatorship is the answer to Egypt’s woes.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2013 9:36 pm

    If the ALP get to 50.1% on 2Pp, they’re likely to form government.

    … Agreed YoM!

    Please explain that to the CPA* bloke … I miss the point – or something … 😕

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It really didn’t seem like the place where Islamic fundamentalism would get a toe hold.

    I think that’s what, Wally and i were trying to get across the day … my recollections were that it was far more “secular” than religious …

    Hence my original comments about The Brotherhood before the first election and when people here were saying that The Brotherhood were no problem – beware what you wish for …

    BTW, The brotherhood hasn’t/won’t just go away …

  35. IPA permalink
    July 4, 2013 9:45 pm

    “BTW, The brotherhood hasn’t/won’t just go away …”

    Apparently jihad has been mooted.

  36. egg permalink
    July 4, 2013 9:54 pm

    Puts Obama on the spot, he’s glad the Brotherhood is out of favour but its bad for the democratic process.

    So he is diplomatic.

  37. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 10:20 pm

    So when will Kev release all the correspondence he received about the warnings regarding Pink Batts Scheme.

    Kev…….Kev………where are you ?

    Oh thats right he had to zip to Indonesia

    I wonder if Premier Newman might have a few copies ?

    Smokin’ Gun … …… LOL

  38. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2013 11:20 pm

    The Right Wing ABC via Emma Alberichi made a bizarre comment completely just out of the blue made a rather bizarre statement that Tony Abbott had not been on their show since 2011.

    I can’t find where Julia was on Lateline after 2010.

    WTF

  39. Dianne permalink
    July 5, 2013 6:59 am

    iPA – I was struck by that delightful Churchill quote. No politician these days would dare utter such an observation. It would turn up in headlines as So and So says No to Democracy. The bloggers would all crank up, the tweets would be flying.

    Now talking of tweets …. you may think I am mad BUT sometimes when I am out on the streets ponderin’ I sometimes imagine myself walking through a sea of unseen cyber letters all rushing somewhere. I am burdened with thinking visually you see. I could go on about the little g’s stuck in my beehive but you may ban me for madness Reb or put me in rehab with Egg in the quiet Carbon Tax Salon.

    Good morning all.

  40. egg permalink
    July 5, 2013 8:32 am

    The carbon tax salon is amusing, yet the thread has serious intent.

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 9:13 am

    Full page advertisements are published in newspapers today accusing Gillard critics of sexism.

    I’m afraid they’ve really got the wrong end of the issue. There were no standards applied to Gillard that were not applied to any other (male or female) politicians.

    Gillard’s history of shady dealings with her AWU boyfriend was around and reported long ago, and had nothing to do with her gender. The personal ethics and behaviour of politicians are legitimate subjects of public debate and analysis.

    Her installation as PM by the hacks and warlords without any knowledge of the actual caucus was bound to cause friction and antipathy. Similarly Gillard’s breaking of her written commitment to Wilkie, her appointment of Slipper, her broken election commitments are all legitimate areas of political debate and criticism.

    Other than Germaine Greer’s odd comment, I struggle to see any particular pattern of criticism that provides any focus on her gender.

    People that focus on Gillard’s gender are ducking legitimate questions regarding her honesty, judgement and competence.

    Thank you for your attention.

  42. July 5, 2013 9:46 am

    “People that focus on Gillard’s gender are ducking legitimate questions regarding her honesty, judgement and competence.”

    Hear hear!!

  43. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 10:04 am

    Gender had bugger all to do with it.

    Swan was one of Gillard’s biggest political millstones around her neck.

    He was an even bigger mistake ridden dopey idiot than her and deserved the boot as well.

    Was he judged on gender ?

    Of course not

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 10:25 am

    That’s true. Why aren’t there advertisements seeking to acknowledge Swan’s legacy?

    Maybe because he was a f**king hopeless, bombastic, c**t, and everyone is grateful that he is consigned to history.

  45. July 5, 2013 10:32 am

    Yeah Abbott is as calm as a lamb to the slaughter.. Rudd not charismatic?…you have obviously never met him….Denial Is Not Just A River In Egypt. .. like I said the media wanted a popularity contest and they got it. That was the biggest political blunder the LNP has made. Hugh Jackman V Ivan Milat…. Mirrabella V Plibersek… hillarious

  46. July 5, 2013 10:33 am

    Oh and Liberals.. please keep doing this…

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 10:45 am

    I think Rudd has settled into the leadership well and Albanese makes a far better deputy than Swan. Who wouldn’t?

    The longer Rudd, Albanese, Bowen, Carr etc remain in control the more effective they’ll appear in comparison to Abbott, Truss, Hockey and Bishop.

    Definitely an improvement on Gillard, Swan, Emerson, Garrett etc.

  48. egg permalink
    July 5, 2013 10:51 am

    ‘Rudd not charismatic?’

    Not in strict terms.

  49. July 5, 2013 10:56 am

    “Not in strict terms.”

    Whatever that means… 🙄

  50. CPA permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:00 am

    I can’t find where Julia was on Lateline after 2010. Filthy Scumbag Walrus July 4, 2013 11:20 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3528040.htm

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:12 am

    Yes, ToM, I’m seeing that too … and I suspect incumbency WILL help them …

    The Liberals don’t seem to be able to “hit” them anywhere … because they appear to be in control …

    CPA thanks for looking but most of us know that Wally is not hot on research patience so we generally ignore him … I know you can’t be Wally ’cause he’s not a CPA … 🙂

  52. egg permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:17 am

    ‘Whatever that means…’

    Kev’s not endowed with supernatural or superhuman powers.

    They used to say Bob Hawke was charismatic …

  53. July 5, 2013 11:19 am

    It means he does not like him… Hey Egg, in my life I have met and worked with many people who I dont actually want to hang out with for whatever reason but they have charisma.

    The strictest sense would be the greek redux derivative however, in pop culture its the person that for whatever reason just has it when the walk into a room. Prediction.. Rudd wals into a room and the egg cracks… Simon the likeable on Get Smart…lol

    Ignore his charisma and you ignore what makes him so popular with the electorate and as a foreign diplomat. You cannot instill charisma in someone, Abbott just does not have it. Charisma creates hype, thats what sells.

  54. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:21 am

    “Oh and Liberals.. please keep doing this…”

    Yes…………Yes………………..I hope they keep incompetent fools fronting the Media so the perpetually outraged Left and keep being outraged

    By the way………………she DOES NOT have a stutter

  55. July 5, 2013 11:25 am

    “she DOES NOT have a stutter”

    Gee the Libtards are shrill this morning….

  56. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:27 am

    OK I stand corrected on my Lateline comment.

    It did’nt pop up on my initial search last night.

    I do trust the outraged Cafe will similarly jump up and down and admit they are wrong about Collin’s stuttering.

    You’ll ensure that happens wont you CPA ?????????????????

  57. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:32 am

    Well…….well

    It must be a good news day.

    The Libs look like they will preference the ALP in the seat of Melbourne.

    Goodbye Adam Bandt

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:35 am

    Was that ABC appearance the one where Gillard lied about the early planning and lobbying she did to undermine Rudd’s leadership?

    Probably best that her dwindling supporters forget that interview, it’s yet another example of her dishonesty.

  59. July 5, 2013 11:39 am

    Gee the Libtards are shrill this morning….

    Cracks me up, he says watching the hole get deeper…

    Meanwhile back in reality…Abbott panic’s repeating slogans, delivering pamphlets and running marathons of lies from questions dressed as fake action man….

  60. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 11:42 am

    “Was that ABC appearance the one where Gillard lied about the early planning and lobbying she did to undermine Rudd’s leadership?”

    No ToM…………………..the ABC appearance where Gillard lied about the early planning and lobbying she did to undermine Rudd’s leadership was a 4 Corners interview

  61. egg permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:12 pm

    ‘Ignore his charisma and you ignore what makes him so popular with the electorate …’

    He is popular, no point in denying it, but there is considerable uncertainty whether this will get them over the line.

    Abbott by comparison has lacklustre appeal with the electorate, the least likely charismatic person.

    Both contenders are in touch with the deity, so we’ll have to wait and see who gets the nod.

  62. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:15 pm

    If you want “shrill” have a look at Café Blue Rinse today.
    *****************************************************************************
    Firstly TomR suspects that Murdoch has taken control at the Queensland Coroner’s Office…………

    “Then again, we all knew the attack on rudd would begin soon enough. Interesting the timing of these findings, is it not? Or is that just me?” —-TomR
    ****************************************************************************
    Then Catching Up chimes in

    “Thank you Rudd. What in the hell are you are apologizing for.”

    “Coroners can be wrong.”
    ****************************************************************************
    ROFLMAO

  63. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:20 pm

    “…………but there is considerable uncertainty whether this will get them over the line.”

    It wont

    Abbott tore him down before with very simple cut through messages which completely contrasted with Rudd’s convoluted bullshit.

    There is much more unflattering information on Rudd’s CV these days than when they booted him as PM. And we are starting to see the consequences of failed policies like Pink Batts yet again.

    The public will quickly remember his track record of failure.

  64. Dianne permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:25 pm

    Well I am generally repelled by charisma so I am biased. Surely there is another word for whatever Rudd has. Alas I agree with Walrus. People keep forgetting the ALP actually have to win seats. Where are they oh larger brains?

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:42 pm

    I think there may be a couple of seats around eastern metro Melbourne (for example) that the ALP could now win.

    They’re not strongly anti asylum seeker, they’re reasonably progressive, and have a high proportion of nurses & teachers who won’t be attracted to big expenditure reductions.

    There will be Libs in those seats who’ve gone from expecting a 5% margin to a 50/50 chance in the past week.
    ========
    Yes, some people at CW can get shrill, but that’s how they prefer their comments-
    *Irrational
    *Fact free
    *Mindlessly supporting Rudd…no Gillard…I mean Rudd

  66. Dianne permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:49 pm

    Thanks Tom. Presumably oakeshott and Windsor seats will revert to national so a couple seats will give us another hung parliament.

  67. Dianne permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:57 pm

    Bearing in mind that I change my mind every day on who will win the election, i don’t think you are correct Walrus that Abbott will be able to cut through again. His slogans are a bit weather beaten now.

  68. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 12:58 pm

    Yes and that upstanding citizen Craig Thomson is sure to hold onto Dobell.

    By the way his fundraising night is on next week.

    Is anyone going…………………..?

    Wixxy…………………are you out there ?……………….are you going along to help ?

    Bob Ellis is the “entertainment” apparently

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 1:39 pm

    With the economy softening I’m not sure wavering people will be attracted to expenditure reduction.

    Rudd and SBY are likely to reduce confidence in a ‘turn the boats back’ policy.

    Even NSW aren’t quite as likely to turn on the ALP now that Gillard has gone- she shared the stench of the ALP machine.

    I know that Abbott looks likely to win, but an October or November election might provide time for another couple of % to move their vote.

  70. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 5, 2013 3:14 pm

    Hi Ricky, and welcome. Just wondering if you’re one of those who catches the Rudd bus from venue to venue………

    Additionally, I have to add that I DO NOT approve of those kinds of videos. I have watched it 11 times now and I simply can’t see the relevance to the questions being discussed. I’ll watch it a few more times just to be sure.

  71. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 5, 2013 3:20 pm

    ToM, I think Rudd’s best chance is to go early. There won’t be any good news coming out of Unionland in the next couple of months and whilst he may be able to seperate himself from it, far too many members of his Government are implicated. Especially Shorten.

    A Parliamentary sitting will give Abbott/Bishop the opportunity to flog Rudd on the Pink Batts warnings and the divisions in the ALP still exist. This election is lost to the ALP, but going now means it might only be 10 odd seats. Stalling runs a risk of him crumbling back to there Gillard had it.

  72. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 3:41 pm

    “A Parliamentary sitting will give Abbott/Bishop the opportunity to flog Rudd on the Pink Batts warnings and the divisions in the ALP still exist.”

    If you were Windsor or Oakshitt would you even bother turning up ?

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    Abbott tore him down before with very simple cut through messages which completely contrasted with Rudd’s convoluted bullshit.

    Apart from the reasons given after thsi comment by Wally, a lot of things have moved on … including the recognition that “cut through messages” are simply one liners oft repeated and often without substance …

    I mean the Green Army paying kids $400 a week tells you how they value people … $10 ph and that’s if they only work a 40 hour week … and who pays for the poor buggers to get to work (or pay accommodation) as most of this work has to be rural?

    At 17 you would be better off joining the Army!

    Recruit Trainee – $33,619 per year

    http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/army/payandbenefits/paydetails.aspx

    And the states are now getting a taste of Liberal corruption and power abuse … in Queensland, four LNP pollies have resigned one is under scrutiny for corruption two have been found guilty of nepotism and cronyism abounds … and the CMC is investigating pay for political seats … remember Noddy Newman was the leader of the LNP while NOT actually being a member of Parliament … 🙄

    The latest here is a proposed change to Freedom of Information requests and being able to refuse with no reason given …

    it did not take long to revert to the Bjelke Peterson era … even Joh’s son John resigned from the party!

    And Clivey set up his Palmer Party in disgust …

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 3:53 pm

    “A Parliamentary sitting will give Abbott/Bishop the opportunity to flog Rudd …

    In yer dreams … parliament is done and dusted for the duration now until after the election …

    … do you really think the Rudd takeover was just a fluke of timing?

    … do you really think that Rudd doesn’t have contacts in the coroners office in his home state?

    … do you really think you’ll ever see Tony Abbott’s gorilla walk and grunted responses (if any) at a G20?

    Nah … tell ’em their dreamin’ …

  75. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:00 pm

    Newspoll was out of fortnightly cycle this week. I wonder if they’ll do another this weekend ?????????????????

  76. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:02 pm

    “………..the opportunity to flog Rudd on the Pink Batts warnings”

    Will Rudd produce the letters that the Opposition is demanding.

    The “blowtorch” is being applied

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:03 pm

    James, I know Rudd was knifed, and Abbott takes the credit for this. Fair enough too.

    But the hacks just panicked, the ALP was still ahead 52/48 2pp, but heading south. The hacks thought there was so much more bad news to come they would be unable to sustain the lead. The result of the election is proof that the ALP hacks and power brokers are stupid.

    Abbott didn’t have Rudd’s measure, the hacks and Gillard just presumed he would.

    I don’t think there is any reservoir of good will towards Abbott, but there is towards Rudd.

  78. July 5, 2013 4:08 pm

    “The “blowtorch” is being applied”

    Really….?

    It looks more like a limp candle from where I’m standing…

    Desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose, and the Libs are certainly desperate..

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:28 pm

    The result of the election is proof that the ALP hacks and power brokers are stupid.

    ToM, you do realise that your reply post puts, James, in the same category? 😯

    Slip of the mind, perhaps? he’s not stupid …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It looks more like a limp candle from where I’m standing… </i.

    I know the feeling, sreb … 😉

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:46 pm

    “I know the feeling”

    Don’t worry. It is a common problem for the older man! 🙂

  81. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:48 pm

    Not sure what category I’m “in”, but I initially applauded the Rudd knifing because I considered, and still do, that the bloke is maniacal. Just because Gillard was a corrupt and incompetent fraud doesn’t change my opinion on Rudd.

    The guy is a fraud and I think the Australian people will see through his bullshit. He’s religious when it suits, then a champion of gay marriage when it suits. He’ll run from that too if it looks like costing him votes. The Coalition will eat him alive in Parliament. They’ll start with the Pink Batts warnings, move on to the numbers of deceased asylum seekers,

    Hate to break it to you, TB, but Parliament resumes on 20 August. That they are done and dusted presumes that an election will be called for 14 September and they’ll be campaigning in August. If Rudd puts the election off, then he has to front up.

    Remember one thing…..Rudd thought Swan was best placed to take care of the Australian economy.

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 4:58 pm

    There are 2 things that undermine decent parliamentary representation-

    *A huge thumping win by one party, such that they’re in for a couple of terms. This is how it looked before the ALP had the sense to offload Gillard

    *An unreformed ALP, narrowing its own base and talent pool. This is where the ALP is.

    An immediate (possible) antidote to both is Rudd’s leadership, which is why I’m advocating support.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 5:00 pm

    The guy is a fraud and I think the Australian people will see through his bullshit.

    And that is exactly what the polls are showing, James …

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 5:02 pm

    Don’t worry. It is a common problem for the older man!

    Not a problem (’tis an urban myth) but its amazing how people just want to help … 😉

  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 5, 2013 5:05 pm

    Always happy to lend a hand!

  86. July 5, 2013 5:30 pm

    “He’s religious when it suits, then a champion of gay marriage when it suit”

    The two aren’t mutually exclusive…

    Just saying…

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 5, 2013 5:36 pm

    Indeed. Followers of religion do not have the right to even attempt to legislate their religious beliefs. Our society is premised on the rule of law. Specifically, in this case, that means equality before the law for all citizens. Laws which discriminate on the basis of sexuality fail that test and have no place in a democratic society.

  88. IPAddress permalink
    July 5, 2013 5:50 pm

    Government should be neutral on marriage, as well as most other social issues.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2013 6:08 pm

    Government Organised religion of any persuausion should be neutral on marriage, as well as most other social issues.

    😉

  90. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 5, 2013 7:39 pm

    TB, you appear to have some difficulty understanding the difference between “will” (future tense) and “are” (present tense).

    Strike 2.

  91. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 5, 2013 7:42 pm

    Reb, I wasn’t saying one contradicted the other, although arguably there is a political contradiction. What I was saying, and am, is that both are positions of convenience for our snake of a PM.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 7:58 pm

    “snake of a PM”!!

    I think Rudd has f**ked Gillard, Swan, Conroy, Emerson and the warlords like Howes and De Bruin more effectively than Abbott.

  93. July 5, 2013 8:17 pm

    “I wasn’t saying one contradicted the other, although arguably there is a political contradiction”

    In your own mind maybe…

    But then that wouldn’t be the first time.

  94. July 5, 2013 8:19 pm

    “I think Rudd has f**ked Gillard, Swan, Conroy, Emerson and the warlords like Howes and De Bruin more effectively than Abbott.”

    AGREED!*

    *Disclaimer: it does worry me the way in which I agree with ToM on so many things….(Just quietly)..

  95. public toilet permalink
    July 5, 2013 8:27 pm

    James hearts Tony

  96. egg permalink
    July 5, 2013 8:29 pm

    Not sure how old this clip is….

    Kev is modest.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2013 8:35 pm

    *Disclaimer: it does worry me the way in which I agree with ToM on so many things….(Just quietly)..

    Nothing to worried about. I was talking to a nice young woman on my holiday, who really didn’t want to vote for Abbott, and was delighted when Gillard was offloaded.

  98. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 6, 2013 12:45 am

    ABC and SMH keep harping on about the big effect Rudds intervention into NSW ALP will be .

    I don’t think people in Western Sydney really give a toss aboutALP internal crap.

    Only us elites !

    LOL

  99. IPA permalink
    July 6, 2013 2:18 am

    =))

  100. egg permalink
    July 6, 2013 7:51 am

    “Over the last 30 days, Kevin Rudd was the No. 1 search term on Google News in Australia – more than Julia Gillard, Nelson Mandela and Kim Kardashian, who are next on the list.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/at-last-we-have-a-contest-20130705-2phcm.html#ixzz2YD6SEPEE

  101. egg permalink
    July 6, 2013 8:05 am

    ‘In front of Rudd and his band of merry men (and women) is the almighty task of lifting Labor’s fortunes at the next election. How close they can come to winning will determine whether the change to Rudd will ultimately be seen as a success. If Labor somehow finds a way to secure its own re-election, doing so would undoubtedly go down as the greatest election comeback in Australian history by either side of politics.’

    Peter van Onselen in the Oz

    Yep … healing the two festering sores should see that come to fruition.

  102. Dianne permalink
    July 6, 2013 8:18 am

    Women back in the (bracket cage) I see Egg.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 12:32 pm

    Strike 2.

    Oh Dear …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Women back in the (bracket cage) I see Egg.

    Could i suggest you discuss this serious issue with our resident expert on sexism and mysogyny… Ol’ Sancty … just look for him in/on the boat … 😉

    (Some of us call him, James, ’cause we’ve known his many guises beginning with, James …)

  104. Dianne permalink
    July 6, 2013 12:35 pm

    No no boats make me sea sick Tb. I was wondering who James is. A gentleman’s name?

  105. egg permalink
    July 6, 2013 1:38 pm

    I’ll vouch for James, he’s a gentleman and a scholar at law.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2013 1:51 pm

    James is no gentleman Dianne, that’s me.
    ——
    Apparently moving from the current rate for the carbon tax to that of the European market would cost about $4bn a year. How many public servants is that?

    Whatever the number, get rid of $4bn worth of them.

    That ought to be Bowen’s value add to the political and emissions debate!

  107. egg permalink
    July 6, 2013 3:14 pm

    ‘Strike 2.

    ‘Oh Dear …’

    Queensland Dentist is travelling well up the inside and has clear air ahead. The debates should be interesting and probably decisive.

    My guess, if the Coalition looks like losing the un-loseable election they won’t sack the leader.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 4:29 pm

    What are you gibbering about, egg? The last sentence makes some sort of sense … 🙄

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 4:31 pm

    Could this be the latest scaperism?

    Shirley you jest 😯

  110. egg permalink
    July 6, 2013 4:40 pm

    There has been talk about the Coalition changing riders before the post.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 5:28 pm

    egg, you quoted James ‘n’ me??

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 5:42 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/rudd-again-goads-abbott-to-debate/story-e6frfku9-1226675281428

    So far Mr Abbott has ignored the prodding, declaring he was happy to debate Mr Rudd in parliament if it’s recalled or in the course of the election campaign.

    What a wimp Abbott really is … can you imagine any other political leader aspiring to lead the country in British, American or Australian history that didn’t take up the challenge of a one to one debate … election or no … if Churchill was his hero he would be gagging in the ground at Blenheim …

    Turnbull would turn up … Keating would have had a crack (even now!) … Howard wouldn’t be swayed … nor would Fraser … Menzies … Whitlam …

    What a weakling Abbott is when confronted … just like any bully I’ve ever stood up to …

  113. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2013 5:53 pm

    ‘egg, you quoted James ‘n’ me??’

    Oh yeah, that’s right, still don’t think it has legs.

  114. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2013 6:09 pm

    ‘What a weakling Abbott is when confronted … ‘

    Its not that simple, Rudd is doing what the electorate wants from government, this gives the incumbent great clout. We have a new leader and front bench, its like the election has already been run and won.

    Abbott’s team is bunkered down and rewriting the script… to go three rounds with a real challenger.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 6:25 pm

    Rudd is doing what the electorate wants from government

    Do you really know what democracy is all about?

    Abbott’s team is bunkered down and rewriting the script… to go three rounds with a real challenger.

    er … what script? You need a script for a debate?

    You need a platform ie for or against (which bits?) … you’d need to know who, why, where, what, how and when … the history of the subject …

    How long has Abbott, Hockey and Robb been in their portfolios?

    Maybe Rudd should say he will take on all three? That would be FUN!

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 6:29 pm

    And another from the rockshifter!

    Now the mob is getting disparate. 😆

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2013 6:46 pm

    I’m off to celebrate the return of Rudd! (among other reasons to eat & drink)

    How much brighter things seem without a drudge of a PM.

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 6, 2013 7:04 pm

    hello folks!

    just dropping in, it’s like time stands still here. Same old same old!

    more Abbott hypocrisy and liberal party abuse of legal system for political purposes.

    http://nofibs.com.au/2013/07/06/exclusive-abbott-forced-to-repay-taxpayers-9400-he-charged-taxpayers-to-promote-his-book/

    *Disclaimer: it does worry me the way in which I agree with ToM on so many things….(Just quietly)..

    it worries me too

    I’ll vouch for James, he’s a gentleman and a scholar at law.

    “…James is no gentleman Dianne, that’s me…”

    I would say that there is little evidence to support either claim!

    The guy is a fraud and I think the Australian people will see through his bullshit.

    yes, it would be nice if there were any fearless investigative journos prepared to put phonytony’s activities under the microscope. Guess the weekly paycheck means more to them than any service to public interest.

    What a wimp Abbott really is …

    always was, always will be, privileged to the core. Everything in life handed to him, someone else pays his debts, fixes up his messes, gets him out of trouble. A real man’s man [except for the botox, fake tan, fake enhanced hair and fake grimace-smile that never reaches his cold, malignant eyes].

  119. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2013 7:31 pm

    He he

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2013 7:42 pm

    Yay! Don’t stay away! KL … so noice ta see ya! We need ya to stick it up ’em!`

    That link is dynamite … where’s the meedjya of old … everything I see and hear these days is so dumbed down …

    May well you say … “He he” … alright … did you read the link, KL, provided … and the “balanced” approch between Abbott ($9k paid and forgotten) and Slipper ($900 and reported by a “mysterious” person … ) These guys (THE LIBERAL PARTY) are worse than the fkn Botherhood … (I was going to correct that and thought, mmmmm …)

  121. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2013 8:43 pm

    Fairfax should run the story.

  122. July 6, 2013 10:20 pm

    KITTYLITTER….!!! 🙂

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 6, 2013 11:28 pm

    Hi AO, politics in interesting at the moment!

  124. July 7, 2013 12:26 am

    “it’s like time stands still here. Same old same old!”

    Not so! (kinda)

    YomM is actively promoting Rudd. 🙂

  125. July 7, 2013 12:34 am

    “And another from the rockshifter!”

    Don’t get me started.

    My tirade regarding that simple gravel-shovelling-garden-organiser got cut short the other day because I had a visitor half way through setting the record straight.

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2013 2:31 am

    KITTYLITTER….!!!

    HEY REB !! How ya goin’? If I had’ve known I’d get such a lovely welcome I wouldn’t have raced off to watch le tour.

    Hi AO, politics in interesting at the moment!

    Sure is tomM, round and round we go, where it ends nobody knows! I still haven’t given up hope for another hung parliament.

    YomM is actively promoting Rudd.

    Well, something had to give. Not that I think rudd is the messiah, but I guess the original wrong has now been righted. rudd slid so smoothly back into the role it feels like he never left us 😉 I’m looking forward to labor party ‘reform’. Sad to see tony windsor and rob oakeshott going, I quite liked the progressive country folk, tony windsor doesn’t seem that well though, he needs a good rest. The abbott vs gillard parliament of hate has really taken it’s toll on the mps.

  127. July 7, 2013 3:41 am

    “Not that I think rudd is the messiah, but I guess the original wrong has now been righted.”

    Me too.

    I think Rudd is a bit of a twerp, but he was cynically usurped.

    I’m pleased if there is a bit of balance in the impending electoral judgement.
    Open slather Abbott won’t be good for anyone.
    The worst outcome would be parliament and Senate to the uptight pantywetterzing conservatives.

  128. July 7, 2013 3:44 am

    Reform would be good too.

    The whole, massaging the euphoria gland of the middle right, just don’t engage me, politically.

    Silly fuckers are never gonna woo the repressed social conservative crimson-necker. Why even bother trying. Doomed to fail.

  129. July 7, 2013 3:45 am

    Le Tour, licks da bagz…

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2013 11:01 am

    There are some positive reason for supporting Rudd among them-

    1. Rudd is most likely to press structural reform of the ALP, and if he loses, there will remain a base to rebuild
    2. He will agitate for marriage reform
    3. He is likely to move to the lower international price on carbon earlier
    4. His cabinet contains more talent than either that of Gillard or Abbott’s shadow
    5. Actual emissions trading makes more sense than “direct action”
    6. Bowen will be a steady hand on the economy, Hockey is likely to introduce cuts in expenditure too severe in a softening economy

    There are plenty of negative reasons to support Rudd too

    1. Gillard had to go because she was so dishonest and thoroughly discredited
    2. Gillard was the puppet of the warlords and reform was not any part of her agenda
    3. She was locked into a position on marriage that made no sense
    4. She was dishonest about carbon policy and therefore no one would have believed any change she committed to
    5. She led the way on the race to the bottom on asylum seekers
    6. An Abbott government isn’t really an option for people who have reasonably progressive views on social issues

    Of course the main reason is that it is such a serious slap in the face to the corrupt hacks and powerbrokers who exert unreasonable control over the ALP

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2013 12:45 pm

    Le Tour, licks da bagz…

    hehe

    apparently pro cycling is the bastion of maledom!

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/blazin-saddles/riders-partners-man-world-051359617.html#more-id

    The whole, massaging the euphoria gland of the middle right, just don’t engage me, politically.

    Nor me, this supposed ‘silent majority’ who do nothing but whinge and moan about everything, heaven forbid they actually have to pay for any of their personal private lifestyle choices themselves, without getting a kickback from government. Heaven forbid their voices be not heard. I’m tired of these orstrayian ‘battlers’, their anger, their ignorant, hate based opinions and their complete selfishness. The fear of what could be taken away from them or what they are missing out on, never what responsibility they owe to the community or that their lifestyle is funded by taxes on the working poor who can’t minimise and hide their income. Nothing will affect them in any meaningful way, life won’t change for them whoever is in government, but you’d think from their hysteria that they will be begging in the streets [not that they care about actual people who do go hungry and homeless every single day] instead of negative gearing their next investment. They’ve got it all but still can’t be satisfied because they think they should live the life of the celebrities that they view on their big screen TVs in their media room, constantly buying stuff that no-one needs.

    1.Gillard had to go because she was so dishonest and thoroughly discredited

    She wasn’t, no more than any other politician anyway, yeah she made mistakes, as they all do, but hers were magnified and amplified out of all proportion because the people who consider themselves our ruling elite couldn’t cope with a female as PM and one who doesn’t fit the ‘right social order’.

    2.Gillard was the puppet of the warlords and reform was not any part of her agenda

    yes

    3.She was locked into a position on marriage that made no sense

    so is abbott, but at least she allowed a conscience vote so she wasn’t as ‘locked in’ as the alternative govt.

    4.She was dishonest about carbon policy and therefore no one would have believed any change she committed to

    No she wasn’t, she could not have foreseen the hung parliament, the promise was made when expecting to be leader of a majority govt. of course she had to horse trade on policy. Core and non-core promises by howard [and abbott] weren’t given the same idiotic [or sexist] backlash, nor have abbott’s backflips and lies been prominent or highlighted in the same manner.

    5.She led the way on the race to the bottom on asylum seekers

    she joined in, the lead and the race has always belonged to the coalition.

    6 An Abbott government isn’t really an option for people who have reasonably progressive views on social issues

    agree, but the ‘aussie libertarians’ don’t seem to worry themselves about those contradictions and hypocrisies when barracking for fascist rule.

  132. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 12:46 pm

    Tom, I do not support a number of your points about Julia Gillard. I think what happened to her is worthy of extensive study and I am sure many books will be written about the tenure of Australia’s first female PM.

    She was on a hiding to nothing from day 1 due to a combination of factors.

    These are:
    .TA’s effective portrayal of her as an illegitimate and untrustworthy leader;

    . Sexism. Not because she was a woman but because she was an unmarried, childless woman and an atheist to boot. The fact that she did not fit the stereotype by fulfilling her accepted social role enabled the more vile sexist attacks to be made;

    . A biased media. Some commentators acted asTA’s spokespeople. Gillards’s mistakes were amplified. Her achievements were not given due recognition;

    . The attacks on JG made it easier for K Rudd to destabilize her leadership. He used the media effectively to do so.

    I am reading Kerry-Ann Walsh’s book Stalking Julia Gillard. I am only six or so pages in but already she has presented compelling counter arguments to some of your points. Furthermore Barrie Cassidy says Walsh’s book stands as seering indictment of the role of the media.

    .

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2013 1:10 pm

    Julia Gillard was controlled by the union to oust Rudd because he wanted to reform the party … the ideal situation would have been Rudd to serve a couple of terms with Gillard as deputy … who would then take over the reins as PM … and probably serve a couple of terme herself … what Julia Gillard needed was to learn how Rudd fronts the media and gains the confidence of the ordinary folk … the unions were/are frightened of Rudd and Gillard moved too soon …

    The problem the unions and Gillard had was the Australian belief (love it or hate it) in giving everyone “a fair go” … most people thought Rudd wasn’t given a fair go …

  134. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 1:20 pm

    Thanks tb. I understand that argument and I think it played a role. I think what I have written above is also relevant. I am going to wait for the definitive book.

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2013 1:33 pm

    AO – ”She wasn’t, no more than any other politician anyway,

    I think reasonable people probably would have been capable of forgiving some of her mistakes, maybe even overlooking the various broken commitments on carbon policy.

    But Gillard’s cavalier breaching of the written agreement she made with Wilkie was outrageous, and more than anything else proves an inclination to lack of integrity. Any politician, male or female, would have been given similar or more criticism.

    Then Gillard compounded the dishonesty by doing the deal with the sleazy Slipper.

    Above average dishonesty proven (in my opinion)

    ”so is abbott”

    Like it or not, Abbott’s position is more understandable because of his religion. Gillard has no rational (or even irrational) reason to hold her position on marriage.

    ”the lead and the race has always belonged to the coalition”

    Maybe, rednecks have always been part of their constituency. But Gillard participated in the race enthusiastically – shameful.
    ——-
    Dianne – ”TA’s effective portrayal of her as an illegitimate and untrustworthy leader

    I think he had plenty of material to work with.

    ”Sexism

    I didn’t observe much sexism, but then I’ve never experienced being on the receiving end. I think reasonable standards of integrity were applied to Gillard, and she was found wanting.

    ”A biased media

    Gillard was installed by the hacks because she was seen as a “vote magnet”. The method of her elevation to PM destroyed her credibility, from that point the media reported reasonably and stories about Gillard’s lack of integrity resonated with the public.

  136. egg permalink
    July 7, 2013 1:38 pm

    ‘Gillard was installed by the hacks because she was seen as a “vote magnet”.

    True, they blundered.

  137. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 1:39 pm

    All our views are pretty entrenched. Someone will piece it all together eventually and give a convincing weighting to all the elements. I believe the story of the last three years, properly told, will be far more fascinating than the accounts out there at the moment.

  138. egg permalink
    July 7, 2013 1:50 pm

    At the moment Julia isn’t being wooed by publishers for her memoirs.

  139. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2013 2:05 pm

    “Gillard was installed by the hacks because she was seen as a “vote magnet”

    From what I have heard she was installed because the govt had become disfunctional because Rudd was not governing.

    Look at him now. he wants a debate with Abbott. I am sure there are lots of decisions Rudd needs to make regarding Indonesia, boat people etc. but he wants a debate every week with Abbott.

  140. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 2:43 pm

    Egg if I were a publisher I would be in hot pursuit. Neil I agree with disfunctionality point. kR is playing politics with debate demands. Effectively too.

  141. egg permalink
    July 7, 2013 3:08 pm

    Kev has every right to want a debate now, the Coalition has been caught short and deserve what they get… ‘stamping’ is the Australian way.

    Di I imagine the publishers are waiting for the outcome of the election, they haven’t asked Rudd either….

    We could play a book title game ….In the Shadow of Deng by PM KR.

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2013 3:11 pm

    Kneel, have you ever actually voted?

  143. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 3:27 pm

    I agree with you on the debate matter Egg. And it is about time the media asked questions and insisted upon answers. K is putting T under pressure by demanding a debate but that said, T needs to reveal his plans. It is a flipping disgrace that all we have to date is a wish list. Maybe some of the others can come up with clever book titles. I am too dull-witted. Your suggestion made me shiver.

  144. egg permalink
    July 7, 2013 3:54 pm

    Abbott needs to do a script rewrite.

  145. egg permalink
    July 7, 2013 4:08 pm

    Kevin is a big admirer of Deng Xiaoping …

    ‘Deng was instrumental in China’s economic reconstruction following the Great Leap Forward in the early 1960s. His economic policies, however, were at odds with the political ideologies of Chairman Mao Zedong.

    ‘As a result, he was purged twice during the Cultural Revolution, but regained prominence in 1978 by outmaneuvering Mao’s chosen successor, Hua Guofeng.’

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2013 4:18 pm

    Kev has every right to want a debate now

    How long before the 2007 election before Rudd debated Howard or did the ALP release their policies??

    It is a little strange. Normally an Opposition leader would want a debate but not a PM. The PM would normally use the advantage of govt. Rudd only wants a debate because he thinks there is political mileage in it.

  147. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 4:27 pm

    I didn’t know that Egg. I know next to nothing about China. I am a repository of superfluous knowledge.

    I agree T A needs to dump the bumper stickers. He needs to start talking like a leader. I think he should ditch that dreary cloudy-day-blue tie too. KR is doing the blue tie thing much better: cerulean zingers with jaunty polka dots, elegant stripes. And I think he should stay away from the pancake make up and mess his hair up a bit. He should also put on a few kilos. TA is looking very gaunt. What a killer of a life he has chosen. Actually in the sprit of Catch 22 I would send any prospective political candidate packing. To show a desire for such a role automatically marks one as psychologically unsuitable for the task.

  148. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 4:29 pm

    Neil it is not strange at all. You provided the answer. Rudd wants a debate ‘because he thinks there is political mileage in it’.

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2013 4:32 pm

    Rudd only wants a debate because he thinks there is political mileage in it.

    Ka-ching … and why would that be?

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2013 7:45 pm

    I am reading Kerry-Ann Walsh’s book Stalking Julia Gillard.

    I plan to read that back too dianne and I think that you and I might agree that gillard copped more abuse, more sexist vitriol and hatred on a personal basis than a male pollie would receive.

    I think some men [perhaps you tomM] are so used to sexism as a normal part of their lives that they just do not recognise it when it exists or if they do happen to notice, they will rationalise and excuse it.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2013/03/08/sexism-is-bad-for-your-health/?wpmp_tp=0

    Rudd only wants a debate because he thinks there is political mileage in it.

    And abbott won’t debate or appear for serious interviews because he thinks there is political mileage in it, knows the libs lose votes when people hear their plans for the country.

  151. Dianne permalink
    July 7, 2013 9:05 pm

    AO we both recognize the hatred directed at JG was extraordinary. It came from men and women. I am still trying to work out the whole gender thing. I think JG’s unmarried status and childlessness enabled those gender specific insults. It is more difficult to label a mother a Bitch and Witch. The most extreme of those sexist attacks were widely condemned. I see parallels with the treatment of Lindy Chamberlain. She was another woman who did not conform to stereotype. I think Voterland wants stereotypical men too. Male politicians are always wheeling out their families or wearing hard hats etc. Anyway nice to ‘meet’ you AO.

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 7, 2013 9:23 pm

    “AO we both recognize the hatred directed at JG was extraordinary.

    I actually thought the hatred directed towards John Howard was extraordinary. I think it is normal no matter who is in power. Beats me why anyone would want to go through such abuse.

  153. July 8, 2013 12:33 am

    John Howard was/is a special kind of wizened arsehat, thoroughly deserving of the hatred he cultivated.

  154. July 8, 2013 3:56 am

    Hey Armchair, good to see you back. You haven`t missed much, just this lot Licking their `coffee`wounds. 🙂
    *
    armchair_ ‘ ‘ I plan to read that back too dianne and I think that you and I might agree that gillard copped more abuse, more sexist vitriol and hatred on a personal basis than a male pollie would receive.’ ‘
    l agree a lot of this did go on. Misogyny for sure, but not always.
    That `Tims Gay` radio question is in that category for sure and is not appropriate for any `spouse` to be attacked by the media-grubs, when no crime is committed by the spouse. lt is just none of anybody`s business `how` the spouse/family lives their life.
    *
    ‘ ‘ I think some men [perhaps you tomM] are so used to sexism as a normal part of their lives that they just do not recognise it when it exists or if they do happen to notice, they will rationalise and excuse it.’ ‘
    True too. Tho l think the ALP trying to cheat the voters out of evaluating kevin07 at an election, made all members of the gang-of-4 `toxic` and they all should have gone to the back bench and put in fresh faces when they knifed kevin07. Joolya also gave the embedded media most of the ammunition that was fired at her. When Joolya took over in 2010 she paraded a string of MPs out with the lines of `Govt in wrong direction` etc, which was a theme she created for the media and could not shake. l don`t give much credit to Mr-Rabbit having much to do with most things teabag/media claim in 2010, the ALP imploded, all under their own steam.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2013 9:42 am

    Yes, I hope we have another hung parliament with more independents like Wilke, and none like Oakeshott.

    With this change in the ALP’s fortunes, Abbott probably wouldn’t go to a DD if he wins. There’s unlikely to be a honeymoon for him.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2013 10:31 am

    I actually thought the hatred directed towards John Howard was extraordinary

    Particularly by his own party members … who was it that called him The Little Rodent, again?

    the ALP imploded, all under their own steam.

    Tru dat …

  157. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2013 11:05 am

    “And abbott won’t debate or appear for serious interviews because he thinks there is political mileage in it, knows the libs lose votes when people hear their plans for the country.”

    No

    Abbott rightly wont want to debate because that takes the pressure off Rudd on naming an election date. A debate of ANY type would signal the “Campaign Start” without an election debate.

    Even the Greens are today demanding the date be announced.

  158. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2013 11:26 am

    “Lying Rodent”.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2013 11:29 am

    When Joolya took over in 2010 she paraded a string of MPs out with the lines of `Govt in wrong direction` etc, which was a theme she created for the media and could not shake. l don`t give much credit to Mr-Rabbit having much to do with most things teabag/media claim in 2010, the ALP imploded, all under their own steam.

    yes, that was an ugly display, also when they all badmouthed rudd, not a good look or even wise politics – but then, how many have to be fighting off their enemy within as often and as hard as they do their opponents attacks? They were so busy fending off attacks that they couldn’t get out anything positive. Couldn’t govern effectively which in my mind is why they had to go. Despite all of that, with the help of the indies and greens, they were a very productive government with decent, hardworking MPs, but no-one heard about it.

    Did you see this interesting piece from rhys muldoon 730? Under Abbott’s leadership [and bernardi’s behind the scenes manipulations & fundraising] the libs have become the aussie tea party. Basically saying that everything the public know and see of abbott is phony.

    The real Tony: The political caricature is wrong, but Abbott doesn’t do himself any favours
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/8776251/the-real-tony/

    I actually thought the hatred directed towards John Howard was extraordinary. I think it is normal no matter who is in power.

    There was nothing about howard’s genitals, clothing and past sex life/history, nothing about whether janette was gay – in fact the media were careful to exempt her from scrutiny and give her privacy, especially when she was ill early in howard’s term.
    Abbott’s genitals have only been highlighted because he has flaunted them through photo ops in budgie smugglers to saturation level, he had to start covering up because the public were sick of seeing him near nude.

    You have to blame the lowered standards, tone and disrespect shown to the PMs office and politicians generally to abbott and his supporters. The conservatives have behaved badly and gone completely, rabidly, feral. There should be no rewarding that behaviour.

    I like oakie tomM because he represents what he comes from, his community, he’s not self important, out of touch and reach to his electorate doing backroom deals with big players like gina rinehart against community interests as barnyard joyce will be doing.

  160. egg permalink
    July 8, 2013 11:42 am

    ‘I like oakie tomM because he represents what he comes from’

    He has been pork barrelled from go to wow…

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2013 11:45 am

    …because that takes the pressure off Rudd on naming an election date…
    Even the Greens are today demanding the date be announced…

    So what? Since when do governments have to do whatever an opposition demands? Abbott’s mob act as if they are rulers-in-exile and everyone must obey their self proclaimed [non] authority. What makes me annoyed is the government giving in to their demands, they should just laugh!

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2013 11:46 am

    Abbott rightly wont want to debate because that takes the pressure off Rudd on naming an election date.

    How the fk do you figure that little gem out …? I can’t see Rudd being under pressure even if he named the DAY today. BUT Abbott will avoid any debate for as long as he can … even given an election date

    A debate of ANY type would signal the “Campaign Start” without an election debate.

    So what? And who says so? (I assume you menat election date not debate)

    Why do people make such a hullabaloo over the election date? It has to be held no later than, 30th November, 2013 …

    Q: So why doesn’t Abbott get stuck in as if the election is to be held 30/11/13?

    A: ‘Cause he’d make a fool of himself …

    Someone who hides, ignores or avoids issues the way Abbott does is certainly NOT PM material …

  163. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2013 12:33 pm

    “Someone who hides, ignores or avoids questions or releases the written warnings about the dangers of the insulation program the way Rudd does is certainly NOT PM material …”

    Fixed it for you

  164. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 8, 2013 12:39 pm

    “Why do people make such a hullabaloo over the election date?”

    Because the ALPs own leader named the election date as September 14 so as to stop speculation and bring some certainty to business and the electorate.

    Julia made an issue of it in the first place.

    I hope they put it off as the electorate will then rightly judge the ALP as just toying with the them.

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 8, 2013 12:43 pm

    an election date also gives a date for when govt goes into caretaker mode.

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2013 12:56 pm

    Naming the election date so far in advance was yet another example of Gillard’s hopeless judgement.

    Rudd should settle in and take his time. Once he’s been in the job for a few months the liberal’s ads about him being dysfunctional will ring hollow.

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2013 1:14 pm

    Anyway nice to ‘meet’ you AO.

    and to you too dianne! ☼

    Male politicians are always wheeling out their families or wearing hard hats etc.

    Which is more phonyness, the hard hats are worn to convince the public that the pollies are ‘hands on’ when nothing could be more from the truth, the only handling they do is with pens and phones and networked contacts. The families are basically neglected, the wives virtually single parents bringing up their kids alone because the male is obsessed with career and promotion. Note there is never any criticism about their work vs home lives and how they can’t be very good fathers or husbands.

    Because the ALPs own leader named the election date as September 14 so as to stop speculation and bring some certainty to business and the electorate.

    Again, so what? New manager, new rules.

    Stop speculation! There’s been nothing but speculation since the last election, isn’t that why we’ve ended up with a new PM? What you mean is you want an election date so you can start speculating again!

    hehe, an election date becomes the most important thing in the world for business and voters! We don’t need more certainty, everything is going rock-solid OK there is no knife-edge off which we’ll drop if we don’t get a date. The good ship australia is on auto-pilot as usual, safely steering itself through the passages, doesn’t matter who the captain is.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2013 1:27 pm

    I hope they put it off as the electorate will then rightly judge the ALP as just toying with the them.

    Theyre obviously toying with you, Wally … 😆

    Rudd should settle in and take his time … etc

    You should listen to, ToM … Wally, he makes sense … 😉

  169. egg permalink
    July 8, 2013 6:13 pm

    Hooray … a democratic Labor Party.

    ‘ALP branch members and MPs will jointly elect the party’s federal leader under sweeping changes proposed by Kevin Rudd to democratise and modernise the party.

    ‘The Prime Minister said the reforms would “ensure that power will never again rest in the hands of a factional few”

    Stefanie Balogh in the Oz

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2013 6:35 pm

    Yes, it’s a step in the right direction. The British Labour Party has a similar system these days.

    Rudd should keep going over the head of the hacks and warlords, appealing directly to the ALP members and the public. He’ll get plenty of support, other than from bitter and twisted types.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2013 6:42 pm

    He’ll get plenty of support, other than from bitter and twisted types.

    Whew! That let’s us out then!

  172. July 8, 2013 6:51 pm

    “He’ll get plenty of support, other than from bitter and twisted types.”

    Catching Up and the rest of the crusty crowd at the cafe have lost whatever remaining tenuous grasp on reality they once held since Rudd assumed the leadership.

    They don’t know whether to continue to hate him, or compliment him…Meanwhile they still hate Abbott and Co, and The Greens of course… So pretty much they hate everyone.

    I wonder whether they’ll do a major backflip and forget about their commitment to never support a Rudd led Labor party?

    Probably. Given past performance…

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2013 6:59 pm

    And Kneel is still sticking his words in my mouth – yuk!

    And not answering my questions to verify his right (lol) to make such ill informed statements …

  174. egg permalink
    July 8, 2013 7:22 pm

    ‘So pretty much they hate everyone.’

    🙂

  175. July 8, 2013 11:01 pm

    armchair_ did l read.?
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/8776251/the-real-tony/
    Yeah, l have seen it before, not bad, tho l had worked-out or heard most-of before.
    *
    ‘ ‘ nothing about howard’s genitals, clothing and past sex life/history, nothing about whether janette was gay – in fact the media were careful to exempt her from scrutiny and give her privacy, ‘ ‘
    True. lt is interesting that teabag-media do this yet claim they are not lobbing, bias and the `public` imagine it. Even tho retired Journo`s and J-School academics are siding with the public, the embedded media still haven`t woken up. They won`t bounce their industry until they hit bottom.
    *
    ‘ ‘ genitals have only been highlighted because he has flaunted them through photo ops in budgie smugglers to saturation level, he had to start covering up because the public were sick of seeing him near nude. ‘ ‘
    true, 🙂 many LOLs
    *
    ” You have to blame the lowered standards, tone and disrespect shown to the PMs office and politicians generally to abbott and his supporters. The conservatives have behaved badly and gone completely, rabidly, feral. There should be no rewarding that behaviour.’ ‘
    True. Tho the embedded media have much blame here too. Teabag-media could have denied access to the `megaphone` at any time they chose to, but didn`t.
    *
    ‘ ‘ I like oakie tomM because he represents what he comes from, his community, he’s not self important, out of touch and reach to his electorate doing backroom deals with big players like gina rinehart against community interests as barnyard joyce will be doing.”
    l agree, and would say the same about Windsor. Both have worked well and hard behind the scene`s in the nation`s interest, and are really the `unsung` heros of the watermelon Govt.

  176. Dianne permalink
    July 9, 2013 8:20 am

    Thanks Armchair for the Speccie link.
    Isn’t it odd that politicians and/or their advisers believe they have to conceal the real person within a slogan-gibbering automaton.
    I have read many times about Abbott’s personal charm, intelligence and eloquence. I have read just as many articles by people extolling JG’s personal warmth, wit, decency and intelligence.
    Yet people complained that their leaders were bone-headed brawlers.
    Maybe people dislike both Abbott and JG because they know they are being taken for a ride and long for authenticity.
    Why do those who pull the cranks and shafts of our political process have such a low regard for Australians? We are not all racist, misogynist, homophobic oafs are we?
    The aspect of Muldoon’s well-written article which chilled me was the spectre of Minchin shadowly lurking.
    I have long believed that TA may not be the extreme right ogre he is painted but I am mightily afraid of the hard men of the Right, Minchin among them, who will advising/pushing/controlling him if he wins government.
    What delights they salivate over. Work Choices? An ABC sale? Or maybe they will just run it down and put Andrew Bolt in charge.

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