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July 11, 2013

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:15 am

    Mmmm … quiet day at the office, sreb?

    Noice graphic!

  2. July 11, 2013 11:45 am

    I was just having some “downtime” TB… 🙂

  3. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:47 am

    Another example of Kev’s cut throat style. I’m sure the voters in Lalor will be very chuffed with this possible candidate

    LOL

    Kev has not changed one bit………….

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/diplomat-and-extreasurers-daughter-look-set-to-contest-lalor-20130710-2pqfl.html

  4. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:50 am

    Putting the two festering sores aside, if Kevette ran with ‘opening up the north’ and ‘drug law reform’ he would beat Tabit home in a canter.

  5. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:56 am

    They should stop parachuting people into safe seats, its unpopular.

  6. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 12:11 pm

    Something for Kev to read between selfies …

    Beyond Toilet Paper: How to Treat Shaving Nicks and Cuts

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 12:20 pm

    No reference to super glue.

  8. July 11, 2013 12:27 pm

    Using Listerine for after shave?

    Are you sure TB didn’t write that article…??

  9. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 12:47 pm

    Unemployment has now risen to 5.7%

    Tasmania has gone upto 8.1% the first time over 8% in a decade.

    Kev will now no doubt point to rising unemployment as a good thing.

  10. July 11, 2013 12:52 pm

    “Kev will now no doubt point to rising unemployment as a good thing.”

    As opposed to Abbott who would use it as an excuse to introduce WorkChoices2 workplace “flexibility”…

  11. July 11, 2013 1:14 pm

    ‘Opening up the North’ is just a fetish of grossly wealthy monopolists & deluded, semi-literate rockshifters.

    Not much benefit to the rest of us at all.

  12. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:15 pm

    ‘Not much benefit to the rest of us at all.’

    The electorate seems evenly divided on the issue.

  13. July 11, 2013 1:16 pm

    Ockertard Cricket Team top order shamefully crumbles, in a sign of things to come! 😆

    GO ENGLAND

  14. July 11, 2013 1:17 pm

    “The electorate seems evenly divided on the issue.”

    The electorate hasn’t digested the implications of disproportionate taxation zones which favour the yearnings of the uber-rich, yet.

  15. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:21 pm

    Rudd has finished his National Press Club speech

    Seems the Ruddster has a plan which states that ”

    “The cost of electricity is too high by international standards and is affecting both business and consumers;”

    ROFLMA @ the sheer hypocrisy of what the ALP states as opposed to the policies it vomits out

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-july-11-2013-20130711-2prgx.html#ixzz2YhffysRZ

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:27 pm

    Using Listerine for after shave?

    Are you sure TB didn’t write that article…??

    Strewth, mate! I have my standards – a good splash of Old Spice … STILL the most popular after shave in the world! (The Original is the One!)

    Wally, very noisy just lately, hey? Panic ye not, my son, the Rightous Path Shall Lead You To Glory … (and Much Plunder)

    but ya won’t get to he’ven … 😆

  17. July 11, 2013 1:27 pm

    “Rudd has finished his National Press Club speech”

    And Abbott now having a press conference about Rudd’s speech – proving that the only thing preventing him from showing up was his own cowardice.

  18. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:28 pm

    ‘…disproportionate taxation zones which favour the yearnings of the uber-rich, yet.’

    Kev could leave that part out and concentrate on a nation building exercise, becoming the food bowl for a burgeoning Chinese and Indian middle class.

    Satellite cities and vft would be part of the sf appeal and help super kev win the un-winnable election.

  19. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:36 pm

    The Zonal Tax System might seem a bit strange however it already does exist for some individuals working in remote areas already. I never encounter it being in the “City” and all however it is there as an added incentive for some to attract them to unattractive areas.

    Singapore used to use (could still do I cant be bothered looking) a low tax rate to attract skills as well. As do a number of Arab countries to attract engineers and multiple language teachers.

    Economically speaking there are multiple tax zones all over Australia. There are any number of individuals paying different average rates of tax due to marginal rates being in use and then there is the 30% Company Rate and Zero Rate for trusts and partnerships.

    So the idea of killing off something just because you’d start development with an incentive rate is pretty irrational. You could even kick start a region with a 15% rate then as it develops push the rate up.

    If it doesn’t work then you have lost very little anyway.

    Anyway the whole “North” thing neds to be looked at closely to see if it can work on a economic and social basis without reference to tax decisions.

    Tax rates are only part of any investment decision. They should never drive the entire decision.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:38 pm

    … proving that the only thing preventing him from showing up was his own cowardice

    Absofknlutely! What a drongo … who would “advise’ him to do that?

    Surely most Aussies would laugh … bit like the coach of the Blues saying they won’t play in the State of Orange next week and then discussing the Queenslanders after they ran around the field training for 90 minutes …

    This great country and its people really deserve more from anyone who really believes
    he/she should have the top job … thsi wanker is just another Noddy Newman … in in for the money (and ’cause he can’t do anything else!) …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:39 pm

    mmm … that went well (tip for newbie posters – finsish editing before making a cup of tea) 😛

  22. July 11, 2013 1:39 pm
  23. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:40 pm

    finsish — FMD … LOL!

  24. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:41 pm

    “………….proving that the only thing preventing him from showing up was his own cowardice.”

    Ya reckon

    I’m starting to get the feeling that Rudd is far more scared of elections than Abbott is of debates. Abbott has plenty of ammo on Boats, Debt and Deficit.

    But he does ned to get some intensive but simple presentation skills training. Otherwise it might end up like the John Kennedy/Richard Nixon fiasco.

    But Rudd was too scared to call a DD in 2009 ( from memory) which he would have won and now runs around the joint shit scared of calling the 2013 election.

  25. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:45 pm

    ‘Anyway the whole “North” thing needs to be looked at closely to see if it can work on a economic and social basis without reference to tax decisions.’

    I totally agree and Infrastructure Bonds might be the way to go. Rudd’s speech today avoided detail.

    ‘Infrastructure Australia is doing great work.

    ‘For the first time in the nation’s history, a national infrastructure priority list has been developed on the basis of a rigorous cost-benefit analysis.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/kevin-rudds-press-club-speech-full-transcript-20130711-2prqg.html#ixzz2YhkjISHm

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:47 pm

    … and now runs around the joint shit scared of calling the 2013 election

    I know who looks shit scared and it ain’t Rudd … 🙄

  27. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:51 pm

    “I know who looks shit scared and it ain’t Rudd … ”

    Yeah………………….Bruce Hawker

  28. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 1:54 pm

    There is a rumour about in the blogosphere that a Rudd enemy has copies of the Rudd/Garrett Pink Batts correspondence.

    Specifically the letter where Rudd very subtly implies that if Garrett does not toe the Rudd line his preselection might become doubtful

    Nice bloke that Rudd fellow is…………LOL

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:03 pm

    Nice bloke that Rudd fellow is…………LOL

    You and Kneel sound more desperate as the days go by … tell why Abbott should BE PM … not why Rudd should NOT …

    Negatives all the way …

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  31. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:27 pm

    (@Evil Walrus permalink … July 11, 2013 11:47 am)

    Mr Rudd also questioned the suitability of Lisa Clutterham – the woman former prime minister Julia Gillard wanted to take over her seat of Lalor. news.com.au

  32. July 11, 2013 2:33 pm

    Oh dear, no wonder the Libtards are shrill lately….

    I guess Mr Rabbit didn;t want to take any questions on this poll…

    http://www.amr-australia.com/asset/cms/AMR_Federal_Poll_10.07.2013.pdf

  33. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:38 pm

    This one grates on my ear …

    aws-TRAY-lee-uh

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:39 pm

    LOL!

    A Tick For Turnbull!

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:39 pm

    A BIG Tick for TurnBull!

    Chuckle …

  36. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:40 pm

    Turnbull might be the hope of the side (provided he drops the tax on air) …

  37. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:41 pm

    (And everyone forgets the Godwin Grech “incident”.)

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:41 pm

    My pet hate is Awstraya

    There is a fkn L in the word after all …

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:42 pm

    What “incident”?

  40. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 2:42 pm

    What “incident”?

    😀

  41. July 11, 2013 2:51 pm

    Calling him Mr Rabbit was a bit childish and disrespectful.

    I apologise..

    What I meant to say was Mr Rabid.

  42. July 11, 2013 2:51 pm

    Comedy gold!

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 3:03 pm

    Noddy “I Will Never Lie” Newman … did you read the lestters @ 2July – Dear McNulty …

  44. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 3:06 pm

    Over at Sportsbet they still have the Coalition in front at 1.38, with Labor only a length back at 2.90.

    Amazing turnaround from the days when jools was jock.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2013 3:38 pm

    Rudd fooled the population in 2007 (i am an economic conservative), lets hope he doesn’t do it again.

    You can see how dictators reach the top. People like charismatic leaders and a large percentage of the population will follow them over a cliff.

  46. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 3:51 pm

    Rudd is a popular politician and able to ad lib effectively, while Abbott’s performance is more rigid.

    I have faith the electorate will choose a party on the basis of platform and not the personalities of the leaders.

    Over at the kaf there is growing consensus that Rudd should call the election for August, presumably to avoid the Jewish holiday.

  47. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 3:54 pm

    Nanny-statism meets market forces.

    New York school drops Michelle Obama lunch standards: Kids too hungry

  48. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 3:58 pm

    “I guess Mr Rabbit didn;t want to take any questions on this poll…”

    Dont see why not.

    As I’ve been saying if you read the fine print it says “Based on preference flows from 2010 Federal election”. That was an 85% flow to the ALP

    Look at that withering Green vote Leftoids……………LOL

  49. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:02 pm

    “Rudd is a popular politician and able to ad lib effectively, while Abbott’s performance is more rigid.”

    I actually think Abbott needs to finally snap out of his “I’ll go easy on the PM she’s a girl” attitude. He’s letting Rudd set the tone of the campaign.

    He needs to expose Rudd on Boat policy and the Economy being Debt and Deficit. Rudd gave a complete non answer on Boats today. In fact he said he was specifically not going to answer the reporters question and they let him get away with it.

    Abbott has to start shooting back hard

    A lot more mongrel is needed.

    He tore Rudd down before with that attitude. He can do it again

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:13 pm

    A lot more mongrel is needed.

    But, but … Abbott is BORN to lead .

    (The sly bastard couldn’t get any more mongrel in him)

  51. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:24 pm

    Obviously some uncompassionate wingnut

    “If you have got an argument about persecution, there is no case for burning your passport,” he told ABC television.

    “And there is no case for being rehearsed in a story of persecution so that everyone on a vessel tells the same story word for word, leaving the impression that the people smuggler in charge of the process has put them through this.”

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:32 pm

    Obviously some uncompassionate wingnut …

    No mention of the other 80% … presumably all with passports and less than $10,000 …

    Glad to know there is no Sunni/Shi’ite faction wars. And no threats between isreal and Iran anymore – big relief …

    Wonder if I’d want to stick around if the catlick church suddenly took power in Canberra … oh wait!

    I reckon we should send the SAS into Indonesia and blow up all the boats … that’d fix the buggers for good!

  53. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:41 pm

    ‘I reckon we should send the SAS into Indonesia and blow up all the boats …’

    It would be far cheaper to buy all the old fishing boats, in Sri Lanka and Indonesia, then scuttle them to make a fishery.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:42 pm

    No mention of the other 80% … presumably all with passports and less than $10,000 …

    He said 20% of ALL IMMIGRANTS are arriving by people smugglers thanks to Kevin Rudd. I think we are getting approx 35,000 boat people now/year based on last months numbers. I guess this means we are taking approx 180,000 immigrants /year

    I don’t think we are taking people from camps anymore because boat people are taking every spot.

    The 80% of other immigrants are people who migrate to Australia to live under all the other programs (family reunion, skilled workers, 457 visas etc).

  55. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:47 pm

    “No mention of the other 80% … presumably all with passports and less than $10,000 … ”

    Ahem……………………….you do realise Senator Bob Carr is one of your Lefty heroes ?

    Or are you listening to Radio Pyongyang Drivetime Talkback again ?

  56. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:50 pm

    “The 80% of other immigrants are people who migrate to Australia to live under all the other programs (family reunion, skilled workers, 457 visas etc).”

    And don’t forget Neil that ALP MP Laurie Ferguson said just last month that legitimate migrants are the ones outraged by the slackness in the response to boat arrivals.

    The ALP has no policy

  57. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:52 pm

    ‘He’s letting Rudd set the tone of the campaign.’

    Yep, Abbott will have to lift his game in a positive way. Rudd’s strategy is to say “Yes We Can” without actually saying it and I’m unconvinced pointing out the government’s failures will help Abbott’s cause.

  58. July 11, 2013 4:53 pm

    “He tore Rudd down before with that attitude. He can do it again”

    I guess I must’ve been out of the country when that happened…

    Or maybe it only occurred in your own mind.

  59. July 11, 2013 4:57 pm

    LOL…

  60. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:58 pm

    “I guess I must’ve been out of the country when that happened…”

    Away in June 2010 were we ?

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:58 pm

    Remember the leftoid retard who said it would take 20 years to fill the MCG with boat people. Well at 35,000/year it would only take 3.

    And Bob Carr is right. These people are coming here for the same reason Mexicans want to live in the US. Better to clean toilets in Texas than to live in a slum in Mexico.

    But we have immigration schemes for those who want to come here for a better life. Having said that I can understand the motive. If I was living in a Mexican slum and getting food from a rubbish can I most probably would try and get a job cleaning toilets in California.

  62. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 4:59 pm

    ‘…legitimate migrants are the ones outraged by the slackness in the response to boat arrivals.’

    That’s true and let’s not forget the plane people also jumping the queue.

  63. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 5:02 pm

    “Ahem……………………….you do realise Senator Bob Carr is one of your Lefty heroes ?”

    Looks like lurch, to me.

    “If I am returned as the leader of the party and the government and as Prime Minister then I will be very clear about one thing – this party and government will not be lurching to the right on the question of asylum-seekers as some have counselled us to do.”

  64. July 11, 2013 5:11 pm

    “Looks like lurch, to me.”

    Really……?

  65. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 5:21 pm

    According to Carr there is an “assessment” “process”. Very subtle indeed.

  66. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 5:34 pm

    And Reuben says he’s sick of getting kicked every time Kev comes on the telly. (He misses that nice man Tim, too.)

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 5:37 pm

    Rudd stumbles…

    Rudd has proposed a high level meeting between government, business and unions to figure out how to improve productivity! Very innovative!

    Here are some of the suggestions unions will make-
    • Greater emphasis on collective bargaining (via unions)
    • Joint consultative groups at business and industry level (via unions)
    • More industry level training, overseen by peak industry bodies (ie unions)

    Good luck with your approach Kev, it will lead to increased productivity via application of a handbrake.

  68. July 11, 2013 5:55 pm

    Reuben is a champ.

    In nearly all recorded cases, the company of animals is far preferrable to that of human filth.

  69. July 11, 2013 6:01 pm

    Let’s see what the Union does for the workers at Holden in Elizabeth.

    I reckon that if they agree to take a $200pw pay cut, Big Manufacturing operations all over the country will be trying to pull the same shit.

    I can understand taking a pay cut, if you think it’s going to guarantee your employment’s future viability. Only problem is, there will be no guarantees of remaining open for business…& if they then shut down, say in a year or two, then all you’ve done is reduce the base rate that your redundancy package will be paid out at; not very smart or forward thinking.
    This could even be GMH’s strategy in demanding the pay cuts; insulating themselves against larger redundancy costs when they (inevitably) shut down.

    Better off telling them to go fuck themselves.

  70. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:03 pm

    ‘Good luck with your approach Kev,’

    Yes indeed, not easy shaking off the industrial wing.

  71. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:09 pm

    ‘Better off telling them to go fuck themselves.’

    Cutting wages should be a last resort, used only in times of economic depression, with the whole country in a deflationary spiral.

  72. July 11, 2013 6:12 pm

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/holden-to-seek-more-financial-help-from-state-federal-governments/story-fnii5yv7-1226677369721

    I wonder if it’s possible to take the pay cut, ‘for the good of longevity’ (cough…requires an inordinate amount of trust in the company’s stated position & future intentions), but get an ironclad guarantee that if they were to shut in the next 5 years, redundancies would be paid out at current hourly rate?
    I’d almost go for that.

    The other thing is, I can only imagine the plummeting morale & bitterness of a working population who is forced to perform the same job for considerably less, all the while wondering when they’re gonna get locked out of the gates.

  73. July 11, 2013 6:14 pm

    Once you give up entitlements, you never get them back.

    It wouldn’t matter if Holden outsold every other car company in the world.

    The company is trying to scare the horses into undermining themselves. And they should be scared (I’m sure they are).

    Whichever way it goes, precedents are being established.

  74. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:24 pm

    ‘The other thing is, I can only imagine the plummeting morale & bitterness of a working population who is forced to perform the same job for considerably less, all the while wondering when they’re gonna get locked out of the gates.’

    In Spain everyone seems to be taking a pay cut, even the monarchy and public service.

  75. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:25 pm

    “The other thing is, I can only imagine the plummeting morale & bitterness of a hardworking non-government subsidied taxpaying population who is forced to perform the same job for considerably less, all the while wondering when they’re gonna get locked out of their company’s gates.”

    Fixed it for ya

    LOL

  76. July 11, 2013 6:26 pm

    Yeah, but not everyone in Australia is being asked to take a pay cut like Holden workers.

  77. July 11, 2013 6:27 pm

    Yet…

    * and I note it’s workers , those who are actually productive, being curtailed, not management.

  78. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:28 pm

    “but get an ironclad guarantee that if they were to shut in the next 5 years, redundancies would be paid out at current hourly rate?
    I’d almost go for that.”

    I think you’d get whatever you are entitled to right now at the current rate but all future accrued entitlements would be at the new rate.

    That’s fair

  79. July 11, 2013 6:28 pm

    “Fixed it for ya”

    I guess it probably does seem funny, when viewed from an Ivory Tower. 🙄

  80. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:30 pm

    “Ivory Tower”

    Its actually double brick and glass.

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:33 pm

    “Yeah, but not everyone in Australia is being asked to take a pay cut like Holden workers.

    There does seem to be pressure to cut wages in a lot of industries.

    But I have read that Holden workers are on 94K/year. That is a lot of money. A $200/week pay cut means they will be on 84K/year which sounds like a more reasonable wage.

    But people may say the PM should set the example. An Australian PM is now on $500K/year. Perhaps management should set the example and take a pay cut first.

    However the fact is on Australian salaries very few manufacturing industries will survive. We have a first world standard of living but are heading to a third world economy with no manufacturing and living off mining and farming.

  82. July 11, 2013 6:43 pm

    “A $200/week pay cut means they will be on 84K/year which sounds like a more reasonable wage.”

    Spoken like a true member of the born to rule mob… 😯

  83. July 11, 2013 6:47 pm

    “But I have read that Holden workers are on 94K/year. That is a lot of money. A $200/week pay cut means they will be on 84K/year which sounds like a more reasonable wage.”

    All of the people here, prognosticating about pay cuts for others, have NO FUCKING IDEA what those workers do, regarding shifts, public holidays & the like. Also, there is a vast difference between sitting in a fucking chair & actually being on your feet, doing something tangible, repetitively, every day.

    Forgive me if I ignore the opinions of those who have no concept of ‘work’.

    Not for them to decide what is fair or reasonable.

    My main point, if you want to read it again, was the danger of agreeing to a pay cut, only to have the company shut up shop anyway, just so they have a cheaper termination bill with regard to redundancies.

    Elizabeth is a shithole now. Eradicate Holden & it will be a ghetto.

  84. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:56 pm

    “when they (inevitably) shut down.”

    Every wage earner in our high-wage economy is on relatively high wages. That’s why manufacturing in Australia is internationally uncompetetive. If workers agree to a pay cut they are just buying time. Something that can’t go on forever, won’t.

  85. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 6:59 pm

    *competitive

  86. July 11, 2013 7:01 pm

    I agree with that, in its entirety, IPA.

    So, as I said, why would you agree to a pay cut, given your job is fucked anyway, just so that the Corporation can vacate the country without paying out your entitlements at their current rate?

    An interesting test case. I feel for the workforce there.

    I imagine I will face the same thing soon enough.

  87. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:02 pm

    “I imagine I will face the same thing soon enough.”

    Sorry to say, I think you can plan on it.

  88. July 11, 2013 7:04 pm

    I accept that our economy is a ‘high wage economy’.

    But, our cost of living, with regard to electricity in particular (especially in SA), is exorbitant too; by international standards.

    Privatisation did nothing to alleviate that.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/bruce-dinham-former-etsa-boss-says-were-all-being-ripped-off-on-electricity-prices/story-fni6unxq-1226676683356

  89. July 11, 2013 7:07 pm

    “Sorry to say, I think you can plan on it.”

    I am. 😉

    At the moment, it is a war of attrition between the tissue manufacturers in Australia. My lot are hoping for a competitive advantage with the CoGen power plant (about to fire up in island mode this week, as it happens).

    I’m under no illusions. I think it will prolong things for a while longer, but not indefinitely.

  90. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:14 pm

    “But, our cost of living, with regard to electricity in particular (especially in SA), is exorbitant too; by international standards.”

    High wages have an impact on <iall goods and services. Holden workers are on “high” wages, but so are the workers at the companies that manufacture parts for them, so are the truck drivers that bring in the parts, so are the clerks in the various offices, so are the sales staff, and so are the management teams etc etc. The same can be said for the workers who supply everything those workers spend their “high”wages on. (Energy costs are a bit more complicated, of course.)

  91. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:20 pm

    ‘Elizabeth is a shithole now. Eradicate Holden & it will be a ghetto.’

    Relocation and a change of occupation might not be so bad for most of the workers, our situation is nothing like the creation of ghettos in the US when their manufacturing went offshore.

    Elizabeth should begin to reinvent itself before the end.

  92. July 11, 2013 7:22 pm

    Doesn’t matter what your job is, you still have to pay an electricity bill.

    Only the ‘well off’ got in on the whole solar bandwagon & were able to negate their bill.

    I wonder what you are advocating, Tony?

    It is obvious we are uncompetitive globally. But how do you sell ‘across the board’ pay reductions to the population? I don’t think it’s possible.
    The boiling frog analogy is appropriate to this.

    Also, there is unlikely to be a great ‘global levelling’ of living standards, given our population compared to that of developing industrial nations.

  93. July 11, 2013 7:23 pm

    You’ve probably never been to Elizabeth, el gordo, based upon that comment. 😉

  94. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:29 pm

    No.

  95. July 11, 2013 7:29 pm

    “Holden workers are on “high” wages, but so are the workers at the companies that manufacture parts for them, so are the truck drivers that bring in the parts…”

    I don’t believe so. And I have worked for a components manufacturer (for Holden, Ford & Mitsubishi) around a decade ago; so I’m not speaking from ignorance.

    Your observation about ‘high wages’ is a relative thing.

    Holden would be ‘top tier’, the component manufacturers are on less. Not too many truck drivers (who aren’t self employed) are on huge salaries/wages.

    Easy for people to declare ‘high wages’ from afar.

    None of that explains the raping of the population by the privatisation of the electricity market (also water, here in SA).

    Reduce wages & watch the numbers of the ‘working impoverished’ sky rocket. People will be better off on welfare; then the downward spiral really gets some momentum up…

  96. July 11, 2013 7:32 pm

    (Energy costs are a bit more complicated, of course.)

    The spot market is an exercise in cynical exploitation. I watch its manipulations in realtime, every day.

  97. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:38 pm

    “I don’t believe so.”

    Of course, even in a high-wage economy, some wages are higher than others (often due to unionisation) but we are all on relatively high wages internationally speaking. Even some first world countries like the USA don’t have wages anywhere near ours. But their cost of living is usually much lower because of it. It’s not until you travel a bit that it really hits home just how expensive everything on this big isolated island.

  98. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:42 pm

    The Advertiser link makes a couple of interesting points, solar is not firm and there is no competition in the power generating system in our free market economy.

    ‘There is no competition, nor should there be. This is because a properly managed electricity supply system would aim to have enough firm generating plant available (wind and solar-voltaic are not firm) to meet the likely maximum demand, plus a margin for maintenance and breakdown.’

  99. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:45 pm

    “I wonder what you are advocating, Tony?”

    Nothing. What you are seeing is an internationalised manufacturing market at work. As long Australia can still create wealth, mainly through mining, there will be enough money sloshing through the economy to allow plenty of us to pay each other for goods and services, and import shit-loads of cheaply manufactured products from overseas. If that ever stops (say, government policy scares away further investment in expensive long-term mining projects 😉 ), then look out. The market is efficient and ruthless.

  100. July 11, 2013 7:52 pm

    The informed intelligent and articulate commentary from the Opposition:

    “It’s just guff” says Joe Hockey

    “It’s just flim flam” says Tony Abbott

    How impressive that we have such intellectual heavyweights in the Opposition.

    Vote 1: The Flinstones!

  101. July 11, 2013 7:54 pm

    So, if you were a Holden worker. Doomed. Would you agree to a cut to your base wage rate that would see your impending redundancy payout slashed?

    Where I work, we are constantly (especially in the last 12 months) reminded that we are paid twice as much as the company’s employees in the US. What they neglect to mention is that we run very Lean, personnel wise, and that there are more than twice as many employees running facilities of comparable size in the US.

  102. July 11, 2013 7:56 pm

    Abbott’s response to Rudd’s appearance today was spineless & insubstantial. Only his rusted-ons would have been impressed.

    I don’t doubt that he is assisting Kev in winning back a percentage of waverers; who would have put the boot into Gillard, but are now reassessing.

  103. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 7:56 pm

    For those who fell for the argument that miners don’t create wealth: Nobody – NOBODY! – will give you money for minerals while they are still in the ground. Except mining companies, who then invest billions of dollars, and decades of time and expertise to get those minerals to a stage where a China for example will value the minerals more than their own money, and the mining companies will value China’s money more than their own minerals. In the ground, minerals are, for all intents and purposes, worthless.

  104. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 8:00 pm

    “Where I work, we are constantly (especially in the last 12 months) reminded that we are paid twice as much as the company’s employees in the US. What they neglect to mention is that we run very Lean, personnel wise.”

    What they also neglect to mention is that you probably pay twice as much for everything you buy, including cars and housing, and the fuel and electricity to run them.

  105. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 8:01 pm

    It’s a vicious circle.

  106. July 11, 2013 8:05 pm

    “It’s a vicious circle.”

    It is.

    And there’s not going to be a happy ending.

    I think any pretense of a Golden Age can be dismissed. It has expired.

  107. July 11, 2013 8:08 pm

    “Abbott’s response to Rudd’s appearance today was spineless & insubstantial. Only his rusted-ons would have been impressed.”

    Yep…

    Oddly enough… none of the (very few) journalists at Abbott’s “press conference” asked him why he wasn’t inside attending the NPC address where all the rest of the real media were attending…

    He’s a pissant.

  108. July 11, 2013 8:09 pm

    Personally, I am on quite a bit more than a Holden employee.

    But, I wouldn’t work such a socially disruptive, permanently rotating 5 Shift Roster for any less. I’d be better off having a normal life, sans shiftwork, on a lower wage.

    Non shiftworkers, generally, only see the amount being earned…& have no real concept of what has been sacrificed to earn it.

  109. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 8:09 pm

    On the bright side, investment in mining projects is highly sensitive to government policy.

  110. July 11, 2013 8:12 pm

    Abbott is a joke.

    I think he mistook Gillard’s unpopularity for his own popularity. Not even close to the same thing. Pissant indeed.

    Hopefully he makes a few pseudo-religious comments sometime soon…to really start irking average people.

  111. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 8:28 pm

    I see Kevvie has established an Anti-dumping Commission.

    Catallaxy: “In other words, Rudd Mark II and his Labor Party want Australian consumers to pay more … [A]nti-dumping is just a cute way of providing protection to some Australian manufacturers who don’t like to face foreign competition. Anti-dumping is harmful to the Australian consumer, weakens competitive pressures and reduces productivity growth. Ultimately anti-dumping harms living standards.”

  112. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 8:44 pm

    ‘I’d be better off having a normal life, sans shiftwork, on a lower wage.’

    If that’s what’s on the table, pick it up. Shift work is unnatural.

  113. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 8:55 pm

    The Litmus Test

    ‘Rudd has become a moving target, behaving more like a Black Hawk helicopter pilot over Baghdad, flying fast and erratically and firing luminous flares as distractions. He is constantly shifting ground, desperate to get off the topics that Abbott has made mileage on in the past three years – the carbon tax predicament, debt and deficit, the failed mining tax and, most of all, boats. This is not least in part because as prime minister and/or cabinet member he was directly responsible for every one of them.’

    Shanahan in the Oz

  114. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:09 pm

    “Only the ‘well off’ got in on the whole solar bandwagon & were able to negate their bill.”

    A stupid government subsidy funded by all taxpayers and electricity users for the benefit of a few. How do I know it was stupid (apart from the fact it was a government program)? Because it was done in the name of solving a non-existent problem: global warming.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:12 pm

    The Gillard government had 2 basic problems-
    • Nil credibility
    • Policies that didn’t deliver

    Shanahan might be right about Rudd’s involvement in failed policies, but-
    • Abbott doesn’t have much credibility
    • He doesn’t (yet?) have a set of coherent policies

    Rudd now has-
    • Credibility
    • Tweeked policies, that will get a reasonable level of credibility

    Therefore, Rudd has his nose in front and is likely to remain there.

  116. Estrollian Eleven permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:16 pm

    130-9. Oi! Ouch!

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:23 pm

    Our Aussies against the might of the Poms, putting up a valiant effort, against the odds, with a partisan and hostile crowd and umpires.

    OI!

  118. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:24 pm

    ‘Therefore, Rudd has his nose in front and is likely to remain there.’

    Against the odds your political science projections have been spot on, but just you wait until Abbott collects his thoughts.

  119. July 11, 2013 9:32 pm

    130-9.

    Pissing myself laughing

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:49 pm

    9 for 170!!

    Aussies have the Poms on the ropes!

  121. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:52 pm

    On The Tax Attractiveness Index, where 100 countries are rated between zero and one, the closer to one the more attractive a country’s tax regime, Australia is a measley 0.3361. The US is worse at 0.2432, whereas Great Britain is a respectable 0.5913. The usual tax-haven islands lead the way, however near-northern neighbours Malaysia and Singapore are in the 7s.

  122. Estrollian 11 permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:56 pm

    The plan is to get Siddle bowling again ASAP so we can clean up the two-and-froms before tea.

  123. egg permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:03 pm

    Abbott said he will throw $1 billion at the car industry but….

    “We will want to ensure that Holden have a credible, serious plan to reduce costs and a credible, serious plan to boost volumes, particularly to boost exports because in the end what a flourishing car industry in this country needs is a serious export program.”

  124. Redfeern permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:06 pm

    “The plan is to get Si…..

    I heard rumours of a pamphlet…

    I’m holding out here.

    Are the rumours true.

  125. Estrollian 11 permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:12 pm

    The new plan is for Agar to make a ton.

  126. Estrollian 11 permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:13 pm

    (Problem with that plan is his partner has to stay in.)

  127. July 11, 2013 10:15 pm

    I’m thinking random bannings myself included…

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:17 pm

    Agar seems in form, he should bat through to day 4.

  129. Estrollian 11 permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:19 pm

    All tied up! 😯

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:20 pm

    Random bannings!! That sounds like fun!

  131. Strayin' Team permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:22 pm

    Beefy sounds a bit less enthusiatic than at the start of play.

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:23 pm

    Aussies in front! Cop that Poms!

    OI!!!

  133. Ow Side permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:24 pm

    We reign supreme!

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:26 pm

    …and the unpatriotic Pom supporting toiletpeterpiddlewon’tsavethem has pissed off.

    OI!

  135. Ozzie Oh Zee AusE permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:26 pm

    Where’s your pommie-barracking crow-eater now?

  136. Ozzie Oh Zee AusE permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:27 pm

    Heh.

  137. My side, rite or rong permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:29 pm

    Lunch beckons. A pie, a few beers, and Agar will be looking at 200!

  138. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:32 pm

    I actually strongly disagree with that pro dumping view. It’s not even Market economics ( not ghat there is a pure one anyway) when you bring EU subsidies into a dumped commodity.

  139. Flag Cape On permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:33 pm

    Quietly confident.

    OI!

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:37 pm

    Phil Hughes needs to pick up the pace. I haven’t seen him belt any 6s.

  141. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:40 pm

    “I actually strongly disagree with that pro dumping view.”

    It depends on whether you want to protect the consumer or business. You could argue that protecting business is protecting jobs. However that protection means all consumers pay more, using money that, if saved, could be spent on other goods and services.

    (BTW, it’s not pro-dumping, it’s anti-anti-dumping. Who can actually say if a product is being “dumped, anyway. The unions will always claim dumping when they’re being outpriced.)

  142. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:42 pm

    “….but just you wait until Abbott collects his thoughts.”

    Spot on egg

    I think they are like a GPS that was just subjected to a complete U Turn then a slight Right Turn when it was calculating as continuing in the Extreme Left Lane.

    Fairly quickly the settings fix themselves on target again

  143. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:46 pm

    Protectionism is anti-free-market.

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2013 10:53 pm

    1. Abbott is an unattractive politician advocating an unattractive political orientation
    2. Gillard was a dishonest politician advocating sneaky politics
    3. Rudd is an attractive politician advocating tweeked policies
    4. Agar is slaughtering the Poms
    5. OI! OI! OI!
    6. Good night

  145. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:07 pm

    (BTW, it’s not pro-dumping, it’s anti-anti-dumping. Who can actually say if a product is being “dumped, anyway. The unions will always claim dumping when they’re being outpriced.)

    Mmmmmmmmm !

    But it’s not the Unions that are the noisy ones on this. It’s Industry screaming.

  146. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:10 pm

    And It’s goodnight from him

    And it’s goodnight from me

  147. public toilet permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:12 pm

    He may be otherwise engaged, productively.

    GO ENGLAND !

  148. IPA permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:14 pm

    “But it’s not the Unions that are the noisy ones on this. It’s Industry screaming.”

    Of course. What business wouldn’t lobby government for a subsidy/protection if the opportunity presented itself (or even if it didn’t). Don’t stand between business and a government handout 😉 . The way the process works (as I’m sure you know), the favours will be handed out to those in the know at the expense of everybody else. That’s not a free market, it’s crony-capitalism.

  149. In Ger Land Sux permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:17 pm

    Haha, night shift. 😯

  150. Agar The Orrible permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:53 pm

    Ashton Agar, Australia’s number 11 batsman (ie a bowler, and supposedly the worst batsman in the team) is out at 98, more runs than any number 11 in the whole history of test cricket. Well done that man.

  151. Agar The Orrible permalink
    July 11, 2013 11:56 pm

    What’s more, he did it off just 101 balls. He could be Australia’s next champion all-rounder.

  152. Agar The Orrible permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:02 am

    Plus, at 19, he’s still a teenager. Read all about it in tomorrow’s papers.

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 1:54 am

    But we have immigration schemes for those who want to come here for a better life. Having said that I can understand the motive. If I was living in a Mexican slum and getting food from a rubbish can I most probably would try and get a job cleaning toilets in California.

    So tell us again how much you care about the lives of these people neil, how worried you are about them 🙄

    All of the people here, prognosticating about pay cuts for others, have NO FUCKING IDEA what those workers do, regarding shifts, public holidays & the like. Also, there is a vast difference between sitting in a fucking chair & actually being on your feet, doing something tangible, repetitively, every day.
    Forgive me if I ignore the opinions of those who have no concept of ‘work’.

    me too, and no concept of fairness and decency either.
    great to pontificate from afar about lower wage for others while quaffing wine and bragging about their own high paid jobs. Of course, mention any of them should be taxed more or have their wages reduced and the red-faced screaming starts.

    We could all have lower wages but not just for some, for everyone from the top down, CEO’s and managers should have wages equal to that of CEO’s/managers of the third world countries they want workers wages to equal. When these people are happy to lead by example, other workers might be convinced to accept lower wages.

    “The market is efficient”, that’s the best laugh of all!

    Masters of the universe and the efficient markets myth:

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/finance-2/masters-of-the-universe-and-the-efficient-markets-myth/

    …After people have Occupied Wall Street and other financial districts around the world, as Europe still teeters on the edge of bankruptcy, as homes lie empty after being repossessed by avaricious banks while their previous owners are jobless and homeless – after Governments somehow decided that the banks were the needy ones – the thought that the markets are working well goes beyond absurd and strays into the realms of the grotesque. Only economic ideologues with a vested interest in maintaining the grim status quo could possibly persist in promoting such a travesty of the truth.

    The truth is, there is no “invisible hand”; what there is, however, is a whole lot of real hands – and heads and bodies and other parts of human beings, as well as computer programs, these days – that actually guide investment decisions. And if people had a better idea about many of the people guiding the investment process, they might be far less sanguine about the chances of markets consistently making sensible investment decisions…

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/philosophy/economics-2/the-impossible-ideology-of-free-trade/

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 2:09 am

    https://twitter.com/KieraGorden/status/355322479016804352

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 2:13 am

    https://twitter.com/KieraGorden/status/355322479016804352

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2013 8:34 am

    “Holden would be ‘top tier’, the component manufacturers are on less. Not too many truck drivers (who aren’t self employed) are on huge salaries/wages.

    That was the point i was trying to make before i was abused by Reb and yourself. I suspect they are getting higher wages than people doing similar work. Most probably because of Union demands and management giving in. However i will admit I have no idea of the skills needed to work on a production line at Holden.

    What is the point of doing a University degree when you can get higher wages on the production line?? It takes 4 years to get a Degree and 8 years to get a PhD and you also come out with a HECS debt and start on much lower wages than someone on the production line at Holden and all those wasted years where you did not have a job. And people on salaries can’t get overtime. If a production line worker at Holden can get overtime they could be on over $100K/year.

    But if they want wage cuts, management should set the example. But it looks like every manufacturing facility in Australia is under pressure to close down. Why buy stuff manufactured here when you can get it three times cheaper on Ebay.

  157. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 8:42 am

    ‘Why buy stuff manufactured here when you can get it three times cheaper on Ebay.’

    If this cynical approach is adopted more broadly, then the industrial wing will get shafted eventually.

  158. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 8:43 am

    Neil if ‘every manufacturing facility in Australia is under pressure to close down’ why would you set your cap at a job on a production line?

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:18 am

    I agree dianne, perhaps people should be thinking about other careers, the service industries, health etc.
    Some go into manufacturing especially because of the higher wages and the union control by male dominated unions that give more benefits to their industries while female dominated and service industries are ignored.
    People have to think about where we are headed in the future, not what we have done historically and then expecting huge subsidies to keep them in jobs.
    Should be plenty of jobs coming up in a green industry too!

  160. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:30 am

    Agar was told to play his ‘natural game’.

    Which is apparently good advice, he’s “truly blessed”.

  161. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:31 am

    Hopefully green jobs are coming AO. I agree with what you have written. It is hard to see the future through the wrong end of a telescope, rose-coloured glasses, blinkers, eye patches and that thing they tie around your eyes when you face the firing squad – term escapes me.

  162. IPA permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:31 am

    David Donovan, via Armchair Opinionator:

    …After people have Occupied Wall Street and other financial districts around the world, as Europe still teeters on the edge of bankruptcy, as homes lie empty after being repossessed by avaricious banks while their previous owners are jobless and homeless – after Governments somehow decided that the banks were the needy ones – the thought that the markets are working well goes beyond absurd and strays into the realms of the grotesque. Only economic ideologues with a vested interest in maintaining the grim status quo could possibly persist in promoting such a travesty of the truth.

    Let’s examine Donovan’s “proofs” that markets aren’t working well:

    1) Occupy Wall Street. So what? OWS was a (failed) “movement” of the extreme left that achieved nothing and proved even less.

    2) Europe close to bankruptcy. The EU is a failed experiment in big government and says nothing about markets.

    3) Homes being repossessed, unemployment, homelessness. The first, in America at least, can be sheeted home to government intervention into bank lending practices. The other two are facts of economic and social life. Their causes are complicated, but government policy, among other things, have a large influence.

    4) Government bailouts of banks. Again, government policy that says nothing about markets
    .
    He goes on …

    The truth is, there is no “invisible hand”; what there is, however, is a whole lot of real hands – and heads and bodies and other parts of human beings, as well as computer programs, these days – that actually guide investment decisions.

    That is pretty much how Adam Smith himself describes the invisible hand of the market. “[The individual] intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was not part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it.”

    Lastly …

    And if people had a better idea about many of the people guiding the investment process, they might be far less sanguine about the chances of markets consistently making sensible investment decisions…

    In the full article he provides an anecdote about a reckless Hawaiian shirt-wearing trader that is supposed to illustrate his point that if people like this can work in financial markets then markets don’t work. Or something.

  163. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:32 am

    Blindfold!

  164. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:41 am

    ‘Hopefully green jobs are coming AO.’

    Strongly disagree, with the economic climate cooling the industry will lose its puff and glitter, except for Tony’s Green Army.

  165. IPAddress permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:52 am

    David Donovan is also into tweeting “career ending” rumours about “the poodle”, but won’t provide details for fear of being sued. He shouldn’t be scared if what he knows is true. He should man person up and tell the twittersphere all the sordid details.

  166. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:01 am

    ‘People have to think about where we are headed in the future, not what we have done historically and then expecting huge subsidies to keep them in jobs.’

    That makes good sense and sooner the better, but I don’t expect politicians in an election year to speak the plain troof.

    Abbott will spin out his great northern plan, but kev is still cleaning up after jools and has decided to bluff his way.

    Richo supports the view at Cafe Leftard, an election mid to late August.

  167. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:34 am

    “So once Mr Rudd clarifies for all of us – and he knows when the election is – we can all make plans,” Barnaby Joyce said.

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:44 am

    There is nothing like potential unemployment to focus the minds of MPs.

    Heavy losses forced ALP MPs to decide to eat their vomit and back Rudd.

    Now that Abbott looks like he could lose the unlosable election, Rudd is probably likely to lock him in by going earlier.

    However, the most enlightened and entertaining result would be for the Libs to panic and return to Turnbull.

    Abbott’s hair dye and fake tan would all be for nothing!

  169. July 12, 2013 10:49 am

    “Abbott’s hair dye and fake tan would all be for nothing!”

    And the eye shadow.

    Don’t forget the eye shadow…!

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:53 am

    “There is nothing like potential unemployment to focus the minds of MPs.”

    Too bad the Australian voters don’t have the same opinion. Rudd just has to smile at them and they want to vote for him. Unemployment or not. There is no way a Labor govt would be good for Australia.

    I am not sure how wonderful it is to have a AAA credit rating but another 3 years of Labor budgets and we will lose it.

  171. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:53 am

    “Also, there is a vast difference between sitting in a fucking chair & actually being on your feet, doing something tangible, repetitively, every day.

    Forgive me if I ignore the opinions of those who have no concept of ‘work’.

    Not for them to decide what is fair or reasonable.”

    What a load of CRAP !

    Why should the Taxpayer continue to heavily support an industry where the workers are paid well above average than pretty much every other manufacturing industry.

    Why dont we subsidise the food can businesses that have gone to NZ ?

    How about the Northern Cattle Industry that the ALP has completely fucked which employed thousands of indigenous workers ? Why dont we subsidise Australian Agricultural Company ?

    How about the Qld coalminers now out of a job ? Why dont we subsidise BHP Billiton ?

    It also employs your “workers” on a helluva lot less that those “poor downtrodden sods” from Holden.

    If they want taxpayer money its time they took a f**king “haircut”

  172. July 12, 2013 10:55 am

    Good point….

  173. July 12, 2013 10:56 am

    It’s Unhinged Friday, with our special Guest Star Evil Wally of Sydney!!

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2013 10:58 am

    Also listening to Chris Bowen on radio national this morning, interviewed about the economy and the book he wrote about the deficiencies of the ALP structure.

    How refreshing Bowen is after years of Swan’s bluster. Bowen is considered, with rational commentary, he doesn’t talk himself up.

    Bowen is the opposite of Swan.

    He also spoke about ALP reform, particularly about allowing groups other than unions to affiliate and empowering the membership.

    Some of us have been derided by current CW inhabitants for making similar observations. Dills hang out there.

  175. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:07 am

    “It’s Unhinged Friday, with our special Guest Star Evil Wally of Sydney!!”

    If “unhinged” is pointing out the gross ridiculousness of taxpayers forking out $Billions in funds to support Companies whose workers have a track record of inflexibility then I’ll wear that badge with honour.

    There are plenty of other industries that don’t get anything near that degree of long term assistance.

    And I’m talking looooooooong term assistance.

    If Holden workers want a job then its time for them to act like it.

  176. July 12, 2013 11:14 am

    If Holden workers executives want a job then its time for them to act like it.

  177. July 12, 2013 11:16 am

    “If “unhinged” is pointing out the gross ridiculousness of taxpayers forking out $Billions in funds to support Companies whose workers have a track record of inflexibility then I’ll wear that badge with honour.”

    I agree with the point about taxpayer bailouts, but I don’t think it’s the factory workers who are to blame…

    Holden really needs to make cars that people actually want to buy…

    I think that’s the real problem.

  178. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:22 am

    ‘Why dont we subsidise the food can businesses that have gone to NZ ?’

    Exactly, a high dollar and high wages makes us uncompetitive, the car industry should also move across the gap.

  179. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:24 am

    “If Holden executives want a job then its time for them to act like it.”

    I agree

    As soon as you start accepting tax payer handouts then the ordinary rules no longer apply.

    As far as I’m concerned if they dont like it they can f**k off as well.

    There are too many road, schools and hospitals that need funding. So if you dont want to “bend over” then just F**k Off.

    There are far too many better and economically justifiable projects to be undertaken not too mention, social*, and environmental* projects

    Rant over………………………..I feel better now.

    * Optional insert ( not because I actually believe those bits) but it stops the Lefties who “want to live in a society” going all shrill

  180. July 12, 2013 11:28 am

    “As far as I’m concerned if they don’t like it they can f**k off as well.”

    You’re so cute when you get worked up Wally..

  181. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:32 am

    “Holden really needs to make cars that people actually want to buy…”

    And I agree with that too.

    Where is the market research ?

    The Mazda3 size and all the various SUVs and 4WDs are where the Market has marched.

    We should be producing the best 4WD and SUVs in the World given the size of this joint and the different terrains and climates.

    But we don’t.

    Sure Holden and Ford produced SUVs but they still don’t stack up in quality against the Toyota RAV4 and Hi Lux,Mazda CX7, Honda CRV.

    We still insist on producing Commodores and Falcons for “family motoring”

  182. IPA permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:38 am

    “* Optional insert ( not because I actually believe those bits) but it stops the Lefties who “want to live in a society” going all shrill.”

    LOL

  183. July 12, 2013 11:42 am

    “Sure Holden and Ford produced SUVs but they still don’t stack up in quality against the Toyota RAV4 and Hi Lux,Mazda CX7, Honda CRV.”

    Agreed! (I drive a Mazda3 – great car)

    I’d never consider buying a Holden (or a Ford)…

    Holden’s are just for wogs and bogans.

  184. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:52 am

    And the other industry receiving taxpayer funding is the Aluminium Industry. Its no longer economic to produce Aluminium here simply because the Chinese have built so many fucking smelters that the World is awash in Aluminium . All because they wanted to control the price of Alumina.

    We should not be handing money over to Alcoa to produce surplus metal unless they can clearly demonstrate that it is only the high AUD that’s temporarily hurting them.

    There are 3 stages in the Aluminium Industry being Mining Bauxite, Alumina and Aluminium.

    Bauxite is a very common ore found all over the planet but we have some of the richest and cheapest deposits.

    China……………………..not so much. China imports bauxite.

    Alumina is the next refinement stage. Its very hazardous and expensive to stockpile as its natural tendency is to go off with a big BANG if it becomes unstable. It goes into plenty of different products. You’ll even find variations of it in your underarm deodorant (have a look at the can). It’s used in ceramics and the chemical industry. It’s a very widely used product.

    That’s where the money is !

    The final stage is Aluminium.

    That’s where the money currently is not !

    Just as a bit of trivia its estimated that 75% of the Aluminium produced since 1880 ( yes 1880) is still in use today

  185. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 11:58 am

    Is it the Union’s job to “play chicken” with its members’ jobs ?

    *****************************************************************************************
    Dow Jones:

    “A meat processing company says 800 Brisbane jobs are at risk after wage talks broke down.

    Teys Australia says it’s considering closing its Beenleigh processing plant after a union refused to put its final wage offer to workers.”

    ******************************************************************************************

  186. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:07 pm

    And now Quigley has quit NBN Co.

    Retiring to Costa Rica perhaps ?

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:10 pm

    but they still don’t stack up in quality against the Toyota RAV4 and Hi Lux,Mazda CX7, Honda CRV.”

    My American friend tells me that Toyota makes better quality cars than say Ford or Chrysler in the US. And these are Toyota’s made in USA. I think he said they had a plant in Kentucky. So Toyota’s made in the USA with American labor were of better quality than Fords made in the USA with American labor.

    Americans who want to buy American made have a problem. Do they buy Toyota’s made in the US or Fords made in the US.??

  188. IPA permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:12 pm

    “And now Quigley has quit NBN Co.”

    Getting out before the real state of play becomes apparent? His payout should be illuminating, though.

  189. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:19 pm

    “My American friend tells me that Toyota makes better quality cars than say Ford or Chrysler in the US.”

    That does not surprise me Neil.

    I know a couple of people who have bought new fully imported from the USA Chrysler built Jeeps. They both say they are the biggest piece of automotive shit they have ever driven let alone had the misfortune of owning. Bits of the interior in both keep falling off and the dealership treatment is pathetic.

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:49 pm

    NBN is a disaster. Quigley is a dud.

    Blame Conroy.

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2013 12:56 pm

    I’d prefer to have an auto industry than not. It provides an economic benefit beyond the jobs in it.

    Technical capability, training, apprenticeships etc. It wouldn’t be so great to have the auto industry and mining in steep decline at the same time.

    Unions have to get rid of all the process crap in their agreements, too much ‘consult and agree’ and not enough decision making and management accountability.

  192. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 1:19 pm

    ‘I’d prefer to have an auto industry than not.’

    Not if we have to pay billions to keep it afloat.

  193. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 1:39 pm

    Even if he should get over the line half a head clear of his nearest rival, with global recession almost certain, super kev will need to keep his wits about him.

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2013 1:55 pm

    With an international economic downturn, saying ‘we need to cut spending and return to surplus’ probably won’t resonate with the voters.

    Everything is going in Rudd’s favour!

  195. July 12, 2013 2:12 pm
  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 2:22 pm

    I’d prefer to have an auto industry than not. It provides an economic benefit beyond the jobs in it.

    I think that we are forced to prop up the auto industry at the expense of decent public transport and hours spent in choking gridlock. I know lots of people [including myself] who drive to work but would happily take the bus or train if it was better serviced to the suburbs and safe at night. People shouldn’t have to take a train and two buses to get from place to another either. A world class public transport system would provide jobs too.

    They won’t even think about decent public transport when the entire auto industry from buying the vehicle right down to repairers/mechanics/maintenance has to be proppped up.

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 2:30 pm

    Holden really needs to make cars that people actually want to buy…”

    yep, we are trying to live smaller and more sustainable lives [well, some of us anyway] the only ones with the big cars are the hoons and the 4WD pantzwetters who need to feel secure up high and safe in the knowledge that they cause more harm to others.

    As soon as you start accepting tax payer handouts then the ordinary rules no longer apply.

    totally agree, can’t wait til we start applying that to religious organisations and charities. Could save mega billions in cleaning up that rort.

  198. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 2:37 pm

    ‘A world class public transport system would provide jobs too.’

    Not necessarily for Australians, the Chinese want to bring their own crew.

  199. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 2:38 pm

    I agree with Armchair’s views on public transport. Wouldn’t I love to head off to the station and board a rattler in minutes and then make easy connections to my destination. It is taken for granted in Europe. You can catch a small train in a tiny Alpine village in Austria in the morning and interlocking timetables facilitate your comfortable arrival at one of the Hauptbahnhofs in Berlin by the afternoon. Smooth, comfortable efficient. We are years behind in this country.

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:05 pm

    We are years behind in this country.

    Because of protectionism.

    It can’t all be due to less population here. The high prices we pay for everything and the lack of decent public services. Somewhere, some people are making huge profits and ripping us all off. The govt acts in their interests, the rent seekers and the industry lobbyists have their profits protected and delay our national progress and innovation [the NBN is one example, as murdoch doesn’t want aussies to download video online, he demands they pay a small fortune for his stinking payTV/foxtel]

    Don’t forget the eye shadow…!

    I know, it’s laughable how there is never any mention of abbott’s hypocrisy in attacking rudd for “a presidential campaign” while his own US style electioneering goes unnoticed. not a mention of his colour co-ordinated supporters holding and shaking professionally printed signs behind him as he speaks to the rusted ons at his invitation only ‘public’ meetings.The way he wants people to think he’s action man, poncing about pretending to do the jobs of manual workers and then rushes off to apply the pancake make-up, hair additives and botox.

    Saw ross cameron on the drum yesterday and I thought he looked quite the dandy, wondered if reb thinks so too!

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:13 pm

    … but they still don’t stack up in quality against the Toyota RAV4 and Hi Lux,Mazda CX7, Honda CRV.

    You forgot the Hyundai Santa Fe Elite, Wally, Car of the Year and clobbers every one you list for power/fuel/specifications and price … although mine did lose its way last week … the Nav system stopped working … all happy now with free upgrade 🙂

    Re public transport … I agree we are slow compared to Europe but distance and population make a big difference in the economy of scale …

    Having said that though, most of us live in big cities …

    … and I’ve mentioned before how Oxford’s outer ring bus system works so well … no need to drive into the city … just park at the bus station and catch a bus into the city (stations at NSEW) … all the buses are different colours related to the stations (eg red for North, yellow for South etc* ) … so when you want to return you just catch the right colour for youe station … simple and effective … and reduces trafic on the streets … watch TV shows like Lewis and Endeavour and look at the number of people walking IN the streets …

    *Don’t know the colours exactly

  202. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:18 pm

    An efficient transport system would be popular in all the cities, but is there enough money to get the job done quickly?

    The Chinese offered to build a new Sydney harbour bridge at a very good price and the tender was rejected out of hand.

    ‘Even better, it could be built using Chinese labour, at a fraction of the cost of the proposed $10 billion second harbour rail crossing, Mr Cameron says.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/visionary-spruiks-floating-bridge-plan-20130629-2p3vc.html#ixzz2YnxLBlYb

    Novel idea building the bridge in China and probably they’ll sell the old one to an American.

  203. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:23 pm

    Armchair I am no expert on protectionism and I am uncertain if the German system fits under that label. It used to puzzle me that small regional towns in Germany had sophisticated services and seemed so prosperous compared to towns of the same size in Australia. Only in recent times have I discovered why. Most small places in Germany have their own industry which are often family owned. Many produce well known international brands. Miele is one. The Germans being extremely clever people realized long ago that they could not compete on price alone so they went for quality. I think I am right here in saying that these businesses can be assisted by government in times of down turn because it has been decided that quality products require craftspeople. In short a business will do everything possible to keep staff until the good times roll again.

  204. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:29 pm

    That German system is called Mittelstand and is still the major employer in Deutschland. It is also Part of the economic system of Austria and Switzerland. I think it is so important for countries to make things.

  205. Dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:30 pm

    Why in heaven’s name would we change the Sydney Harbour Bridge Egg. Are we daft?

  206. egg permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:32 pm

    I understand its past its used by date.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 3:43 pm

    Ross “The Faithful Husband”Cameron’s Wiki entry is hilarious for its hypocrisy!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Cameron

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 4:12 pm

    I just looked at wiki TB, didn’t know his history, you’re right it is a riot. I nearly stopped reading after:

    “…Cameron ran regular prayer meetings for politicians in his office in Parliament House…
    and
    …”Cameron, along with several other Australian Politicians, has been associated with the American evangelical Christian organisation, The Fellowship/The Family.[12] US Senator Mark Hatfield, with whom Cameron served an internship, is a significant leader in the secretive organisation.[13][14][15][16]…”

    Why do we have to have all these religious nutters in parliament? Can’t they just be content with church and godbothering, why do they seek to control the lives of everyone else through legislation? I’m starting to think their over representation in parliament poses a threat to our democracy and way of life 😉

    then I finally made it down to the end where it says:

    “…In September, 2011 Cameron said he may run for a seat at the next federal election and had discussed the matter with Opposition Leader Tony Abbott…”

    I thought, now I see why the dandy’s on the drum all the time!

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 4:19 pm

    KL, and it starts off that Cameron IS a politician not WAS (… he had an extra-marital affair and was booted out! – 10th Commandment I think – “thou shalt not covet they neigbours wife” LOL!)

    The side box does list his occupation as “lawyer” … wonder why are all these lawyers, dogbotherers too?

  210. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 4:33 pm

    “(… he had an extra-marital affair and was booted out! – 10th Commandment I think – “thou shalt not covet they neigbours wife” LOL!)”

    Well………………..maybe he wants to get back in and have a Private Member’s* Bill to make an amendment to the 10th.

    * Pun intended

  211. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 4:36 pm

    “The Germans being extremely clever people realized long ago that they could not compete on price alone so they went for quality.”

    Quantity has a Quality all of its own :- Joseph Stalin ( Discussing the number of tanks he could produce when comparing them to the higher quality German tanks)

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 4:37 pm

    LOL … wrong organisation (I think???)

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 4:44 pm

    Quantity has a Quality all of its own

    Yep! The German Tiger and Panther were much better quality* but the T34 whupped ’em with quantity! (Could pop out three rounds to T34’s one!)

    The Germans’s also continued to ‘improve” their tanks … which slows production down …

    Not sure of numbers but something like 35,000 T34’s produced against 9,000 Tiger/Panthers!

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:09 pm

    Ashbygate: the great disappearing scandal about to roar back into life:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/ashbygate-peter-slipper-james-ashby

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:16 pm

    http://thehoopla.com.au/feminism-agenda/

    …We need to remind politicians that there are continuing gender inequities. Women have been asking politely for a bit more power and a bigger share of what is, but one lesson the recent events should teach us is that playing politely by boys’ rules doesn’t really get us anywhere…

    …Start by reclaiming the idea that we live in society, not just an economy, then we need to reset social progress goals not just more financial growth.
    Society is what ties us together, and it is feminist to want more recognition for the social relationships, emotions and interdependencies that make life worth living. So we need to work out what sort of place we want to live in, then decide how we pay for it as economic means should not undermine good social priorities

    Both major current parties fail to recognise the importance of human services…

  216. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:30 pm

    “Ashbygate: the great disappearing scandal about to roar back into life:

    I started to read the link but the article was too long so i gave up. I made it to this point where it said this

    But it is about to roar back to life. Online activists have paid more than $50,000 into a fund called the Ashbygate Trust to engage lawyers, journalists and a private detective to investigate how far the plot against Slipper extended inside the opposition.

    I cannot believe the efforts TEAM ALP/GREENS go to to try and trash a persons reputation. See i look for motive when someone tells me something. The motive is not to seek the truth. The motive is to attack the other team. If my team is doing the same thing I don’t care.

    And you ALP/Greens supporters are all the same. This is the strategy.

    1. attempt to trash the reputation of 40% of the population that votes Coalition
    2. if that does not work tell baldface lies
    3. if that does not work go back to 1. and start again.

    Spending hours and hours trying to trap a Coalition politician in some conspiracy. And then the allegation is usually wrong.

    I just assume ALP supporters are telling lies unless proven otherwise. It makes things simpler.

  217. dianne permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:43 pm

    you can find a shorter one on the ashby matter in the guardian, neil. david marr has written it.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:48 pm

    So @evacox on exact same page as @timdunlop Society is more than an economy. http://thehoopla.com.au/feminism-agenda/

    LOL!

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:50 pm

    I I know Liberal supporters are simple unless proven otherwise. It makes things simpler.

  220. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 12, 2013 5:58 pm

    “The German Tiger and Panther were much better quality* but the T34 whupped ‘em with quantity!”

    Dont forget this often forgotten “little” beastie

    http://ww2today.com/23rd-june-1941-the-germans-encounter-the-kv1

  221. July 12, 2013 6:21 pm

    “Saw ross cameron on the drum yesterday and I thought he looked quite the dandy, wondered if reb thinks so too!”

    I thought he was an obnoxious prick.

  222. July 12, 2013 6:39 pm

    Two nuns sat at traffic lights in their car when a car load of rowdy young lads pulls up alongside.

    “Oi, get your tits out you penguins!” shouts one of the lads.

    The Mother Superior turns to Sister Immaculata,

    “I don’t think they know who we are – show them your cross”.

    So Sister Immaculata winds down her window and shouts,

    “Fuck off you little wankers, before I come over there and rip your balls off”!

  223. IPAddress permalink
    July 12, 2013 6:45 pm

    He’s here all week folks, try the veal. 🙄

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    July 12, 2013 6:45 pm

    Dont forget this often forgotten “little” beastie True, Wally, but I was trying to match “like” with “like” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually I just popped ’cause something struck me … I’m having a practise at the mo … most of you know I sing … but ya gotta practise to keep it up at my age 😉 … anyway, I was just singing this song and it struck me that it ‘talks” the difference between ALP and LibNits … apologies (twice 😯 ) to our ‘sisters” here but I’m sure they “get it” …

    ENJOY!

  225. IPAddress permalink
    July 12, 2013 6:59 pm

    “it ‘talks” the difference between ALP and LibNits … ”

    That’s right TB. Leftoids bang on about how compassionate they are, whereas wingnuts do their kitten drowning In private. Two different philosophies entirely.

  226. July 12, 2013 7:10 pm

    “I suspect they are getting higher wages than people doing similar work. Most probably because of Union demands and management giving in. However i will admit I have no idea of the skills needed to work on a production line at Holden.”

    A lot of guessing.

    Your last sentence says it all.

    And this still stands, for you & Evil Non-worker…

    “All of the people here, prognosticating about pay cuts for others, have NO FUCKING IDEA what those workers do, regarding shifts, public holidays & the like. Also, there is a vast difference between sitting in a fucking chair & actually being on your feet, doing something tangible, repetitively, every day.

    Forgive me if I ignore the opinions of those who have no concept of ‘work’.”

    I doubt you can comprehend what such jobs are actually like. It’s pretty clear you’ve never had to earn a living that way. Just standing up for 8hrs would probably incapacitate y’all.

    Note. I never once defended subsidising the car industry. The industry I work in doesn’t get one red cent of assistance from the government.

    My agitation is with people who, in ignorance, rant about their concept of what’s fair pay for workers whom they don’t know & will never understand. Easy from afar. Most of the workforce isn’t in a comfortable chair.

    And, fuck you, Neil. I earn way more than a Holden worker…& I resent your half witted implications.

  227. Prepare for humiliating defeat Pommie bastards permalink
    July 12, 2013 7:52 pm

    Go you mighty fkn Ozzzeeeeeeeeez!

  228. Prepare for humiliating defeat Pommie bastards permalink
    July 12, 2013 7:59 pm

    Go Crows. (My enemy’s enemy is my friend. Tonight.)

  229. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 12, 2013 9:16 pm

    Go Aussies!!

    OI!

    Agar backing up the stolen century with a wicket!!

  230. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 13, 2013 1:09 am

    Back in Canberra

    Only total f??king low life turds would bother living in this vomit inducing joint

    It is here for those who need to hide their mediocrity !

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2013 10:17 am

    You don’t sound happy, Wally …

    Does this mean money ISN’T everything?

    Just askin’ … 🙂

  232. egg permalink
    July 13, 2013 10:18 am

    During the Great Depression the bureaucrats in Canberra were the last to take a pay cut.

    Just sayin’

  233. IPA permalink
    July 13, 2013 11:19 am

    Pakistani schoolgirl activist, shot in the head by Taliban, gives truly inspiring speech to UN on 16th birthday. Do yourself a favour and watch the whole thing …

  234. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    July 13, 2013 11:33 am

    IPA,

    Watched it live….Love this girl…

  235. egg permalink
    July 13, 2013 11:35 am

    Hi Sparta

    Inspirational speech….

  236. IPA permalink
    July 13, 2013 1:20 pm

    “We’re making cars better than ever before, but our auto industry is on the brink. Gideon Haigh visits Holden’s last vehicle assembly line.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/uphill-battle-20130708-2pl0v.html#ixzz2YtMgNMfP

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2013 4:15 pm

    My local member was out and about this morning when I did my walk … so I thought i’d have a chat … I advised that I would consider joining the Labor Party if Rudd’s proposal for member’s voting for the leader was passed … gave my email address for details … asked how much … $5 before the election … during the discussion I was told that the Liberals had a tiered membership Bronze, Silver, Gold and Pltinum but they didn’t know the fees … so I thought I’d check up this afternoon – out of curiosity … :

    ALP … Before election $5 … renewal for 2012 Members … $25

    Liberal Party (LNP in Queensland)

    Bronze … $ 100 … dual … $150

    Silver … $ 250 … dual … $375

    Gold … $ 500 … dual … $800

    Platinum $1200 … dual … dual $1800

    Now admitedly there are increasing “benefits” for spending more in the various levels in the Liberal Party … but talk about “class distinction” …

    Labor can truly say they are a party for the people … Liberals are clearly aimed a the rich and lazy powerful …

    Liberals Robber Barons in Disguise

    Check for yourself …

    http://lnp.org.au/membership-fee-schedule/

    http://www.queenslandlabor.org/renew/renewal-form-2012/

    http://www.queenslandlabor.org/newmember/

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2013 4:58 pm

    Mark Latham: shame on the Canberra press gallery
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/arts_saleroom/mark_latham_shame_on_the_canberra_unhJxxsoQjtvJaZT7QVIVO

    Media bunnies become the hounds:
    http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/1840-media-bunnies-become-the-hounds

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2013 6:21 pm

    KL, I have no time for any of Latham’s ranting’s (the Gospel of St Mark) he truly is a nutter … and I would walk away (run FFS) from him as (according to Latham) Laurie Oakes did …

    Jane, has a bit more credence with me … but even she clouds her own column from the very beginning … this will be a long and protracted debate …

    You know that I find things like sexism and racism odd as a human being so maybe I am a bit different … I don’t care if you are black, white, brindle, male, female, hetero, gay, religious, athiest, right wing or left, rich, poor, ugly or beautiful … as long as you are a nice person, I’ll happily engage with you … and always have … (luv, my morning walks)

    Let’s look at Julia Gillard … she seemed nice … maybe too nice … Parliament made her behave ugly … unnatural … she really didn’t engage with the masses but, it seems, more with small groups … she and her team did make some odd decisions … her stand against Tony Abbott and his mysogynism was rightly lauded around the world … her Women for Gillard rant aimed her wrath at men like me who had been fighting for women’s rights for decades … not once have I heard any feminist say … but without the help of enlightened and honest men we could not have achieved what we have …

    Kevin Rudd took the PM’s job back because he can engage with the people … his team can too … Julia Gillard lost her job as PM because she concentrated on attacking the Opposition instead of taking the lead … as Rudd has done …

    This is not about male, female dominance … its about who is the best person at this point in time to keep the Liberal Coalition out of control of the lives of ordinary men and women …

    Let’s have the mysogyny debate AFTER the election … concentrate our efforts on defeating Abbott & The Acolytes …

    Just a reminder that there are many women who men have helped to vote in – I spoke to one this morning!

    🙂

  240. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    July 14, 2013 1:41 am

    Hey there egg….

  241. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 7:41 am

    Sparta the two big election issues over here are the tax on a harmless trace gas and what to do about the illegal guest workers?

    Our new leader is caught between a rock and a hard place, but has a lot more flexibility coming into the election.

  242. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    July 14, 2013 8:32 am

    Egg,

    Oddly, those two are in the top 5 here as well and just about everywhere else in the West…I say oddly but I am not surprised…What I find madness is our politicians whose only answer to our fiscal woes is to import people? Trying to pass a massive illegal immigration bill here that is loaded with the importation of endless numbers of visa workers, temporary workers (who are never temporary) and at the same time “legalize” around 20-30 million people with a repeat of legislation and promises of 1986.

    This while we are going through one of the harshest economic times in recent history…Millions out of work and no longer looking yet these clowns want to import more; on top of increasing entitlement programs? Eco 101 touts labor but not as the end all be all? Without spending restraint, labor controls and some taxation we are never going to get anywhere over here; from what I can tell about Australia it isn’t much different…It is overwhelmingly SPENDING that is killing us here…Obama has been an abysmal failure as we all felt he would be and the only thing the guy seems capable of doing is delivering a descent speech…Wish we could “oust” him like Julia but anyway…

  243. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 9:15 am

    The Labor Party in Oz is renown for liberal spending.

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2013 9:38 am

    So today Bowen will more dismantling of Gillarad’s dishonest legacy- the carbon tax goes and the ETS comes in from July.

    With this decision Rudd and Bowen get rid of the taint of Gillard and sideline Abbott’s ‘green army’

    If Rudd concentrates on the political high ground like this, he could be quite successful. No one likes whingers or liars, particularly among leaders.

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:23 am

    Here ya go, egg … now stop yer whinging 🙂

    KEVIN Rudd will announce plans to scrap the carbon tax within days as he clears the decks for an election.

    The decision could slash electricity bills by up to $150 a year for families spending $2000 annually, assuming a floating price for carbon emissions as low as $6 per tonne.

    Federal cabinet has agreed to fast-track the planned introduction of an emissions trading scheme to July 1, 2014.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/kevin-rudd-to-announce-scrapping-of-carbon-tax/story-fnii5s3x-1226678990206

  246. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:24 am

    ‘…the carbon tax goes and the ETS comes in from July.’

    Pragmatic, but I won’t be voting for him on that basis…. the man’s a tosser. Abbott will dismantle the tax altogether, along with the Klimatariat and Green Energy Shit.

    The monk has the bottle …. go you little bewdy.

  247. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:28 am

    As I said, CO2 doesn’t cause global warming, so I cannot return to my old party.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:36 am

    LOL! Why am I not surprised … “my old party” my arse! 😆

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:47 am

    So voters will be able to choose between a carbon price of about $6 from the government or 150,000 people wandering around with a few gardening tools from Abbott.

    I’m happy with the price because it’s transparent, I would even have copped Gillard’s carbon tax/policy if she’d been honest about it.

  250. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:54 am

    “my old party” my arse!’

    I distinctly remember shaking hands with Jim Spigelman at a Whitlam rally and I voted for jools at the last election.

    For christ’s sake, I was rusted on.

  251. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 10:58 am

    ‘….or 150,000 people wandering around with a few gardening tools from Abbott.’

    Yep, its a no brainer and he should consider scraping the whole idea, sighting economic austerity.

  252. IPA permalink
    July 14, 2013 11:08 am

    According to current corporate/political-speak, we don’t have discussions about topics anymore, we have conversations around issues.

  253. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 11:37 am

    ‘I’m happy with the price because it’s transparent,’

    A transparent international fraud.

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2013 11:46 am

    Fine, but if Rudd wins he’ll have a clear mandate. If Abbott wins so will he, so hopefully there will be a publicly accepted legitimate outcome.

    …and that’s the significant difference.

    But does it make sense to have a $6 price or 150,000 people wandering around with rakes and garden shovels?

  255. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 11:53 am

    ‘But does it make sense to have a $6 price or 150,000 people wandering around with rakes and garden shovels?’

    Rakes and shovels will soak up the unemployed in a global recession, the tax (no matter how low) remains a disgraceful scam.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2013 11:57 am

    That’s nice so it’s an economic stimulus via landscape gardening!

    Gillard’s legacy is dishonesty, if Abbott starts to justify his rakes and shovels policy on economic grounds, he’ll struggle (even more) with credibility.

  257. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 12:19 pm

    ‘That’s nice so it’s an economic stimulus via landscape gardening!’

    Its better than taxing the air we breath.

  258. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 12:22 pm

    ‘if Abbott starts to justify his rakes and shovels policy on economic grounds, he’ll struggle’

    Possibly, but it might dove-tail nicely with his northern development scheme.

  259. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 12:30 pm

    Given your oft stated views about JG’s honesty, I thought you may be interested in this.
    ‘Bob Katter concurs about Gillard’s character. Despite his allegiance to Rudd, he says she’s a straight-shooter and a decent person. And unexpectedly, given how Rudd feels about Gillard’s role in his removal, Katter makes a remarkable comment – Rudd, too, has a high opinion of his successor’s integrity. ‘Kevin Rudd told me that, whatever else I may personally say about Julia, she is a very honest broker’, he says. ‘I think she is. If she gives her word on something, she’ll try to honour it’.
    The Stalking of Julia Gillard, Kerry-Ann Walsh, p 48

  260. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 12:31 pm

    Ps the above was for Tom

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 1:19 pm

    Di, Katter is a Dickwit® I’ve spent (literally) hours listening to him dron on in aeroplanes … and Julia Gillard may be a “an honest broker” … but she made some pretty poor decisions and certainly didn’t connect with the electorate the way Rudd is/has nor could Julia Gillard “sell” her government …

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 1:24 pm

    Di, Julia Gillard was/is also controlled by the union far more than Kevin Rudd … the real reason, I believe, that Rudd was ‘knifed” originally … he wanted to bring in reforms that diminished the power of the unions … eg selecting his own Cabinet rather than a Caucus that was operated by faction puppeteers …

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2013 1:43 pm

    Hi Dianne, I think there were so very many examples of Gillard’s dishonesty that it seems pointless to recount them here. But the breach of her written word to Wilkie (which allowed her to form government) must go down as one of the examples of political duplicity by a Prime Minister.

    I think it is unsatisfactory that many commentators tend to throw around labels like “misogynist” without specifically addressing themselves to things the Wilkie agreement.

  264. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 2:05 pm

    I don’t know TB. I am waiting for the definitive book about this period. I have given up reading newspapers because of the inanity, group- think and bias. JG may have made some poor decisions but so do they all. I think she was no more a liar than any of them. I think Voterland doesn’t want the truth a lot of the time. The other day I heard the interview with Lisa Clutterham, the 29-year-old diplomat seeking Pre-selection for Lalor. I was so impressed with her. She was articulate and straight-forward. No lies, spinning, dodging or weaving. What did she get for it? Criticism. Now she has withdrawn. It was not her fault that she did not meet the criteria for the trumpeted return-power-to-the-rank-and-file push. I bet she is smarting.

  265. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 2:08 pm

    Thanks Tom, I know you have made up your mind. I have a different view. As I said above this will be a very interesting time in Australian political history for a sophisticated study.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2013 3:44 pm

    Yes Dianne, I am pretty well set about Gillard. I think she has set back the leadership aspirations of women by a decade.

    She was a puppet of the hacks, incapable of reform of the ALP, put her political interests above compassion and equity. A poor role model in just about every respect.

  267. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 3:48 pm

    Certainly young Lisa Clutterham didn’t get off the blocks. For telling the truth!

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 4:40 pm

    Certainly young Lisa Clutterham didn’t get off the blocks. For telling the truth!

    Pretty hard to dodge the truth in her case, Di … not a good example …

    My dear old Mum brought me up to tell the truth and take the medicine and move on … it’s stood the test of time … my own children were taught the same … lies multiply and will ALWAYS come out … sooner or later … and I hold deceit in the same category … witholding information is no better …

    In legal terms Acts & Omissions are equally culpable …

    I’ve always slept well … 😉

  269. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 4:56 pm

    I know what you are saying TB but there was a beguiling clarity and directness to her answers. I found her a pleasure to listen to. She didn’t fill my ears with superfluous fluff in an attempt to bury an answer. I found her most refreshing to borrow one of your favourite terms Tom. And then they shopped her.

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2013 5:04 pm

    … her Women for Gillard rant aimed her wrath at men like me who had been fighting for women’s rights for decades … not once have I heard any feminist say … but without the help of enlightened and honest men we could not have achieved what we have …

    I’ve heard plenty of feminists thanking the men that support women. What is particularly galling is this idea that women have have not had to fight for everything they’ve got today [and there is STILL not equality] that they have only got it because enlightened men helped them, that enlightened, honest men allowed them it 😡

    Women can’t even be allowed the credit for driving their own activism and advancement without men claiming we owe it in part to them and where’s the thanks!!

    All I can say is if men were really behind women’s advancement, we wouldn’t be having the sexism/misogyny debate because there would be no need to!

    Just a reminder that there are many women who men have helped to vote in – I spoke to one this morning!

    And there is the one woman who held the highest office in the land who men have helped to vote out!

    And a reminder that men still run and control all systems of power, men still dominate, you don’t need to feel slighted that feminists haven’t thanked you personally for ‘helping’ women by doing the right thing.

    just sayin’ 😉

  271. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 14, 2013 5:58 pm

    Give it a spell, Kittylitter. Whilst there remains some subjugation of women by men it is no more than the subjugation of men by women. For the most part women destroy each other. Especially in the workplace. And they destroy themselves. Quit blaming men.

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 6:18 pm

    And a reminder that men still run and control all systems of power, men still dominate, you don’t need to feel slighted that feminists haven’t thanked you personally for ‘helping’ women by doing the right thing.

    Can assure you that I don’t need or expect praise from anyone, KL 😉 … and yes I recognise that the “playing field” is not yet level (it will be!) … my three three female proteges have done well and that’s thanks enough … (two have recently contacted me via LinkedIn – both now managers … 😛 )

    I do disagree with, James, (surprise, surprise) men “subjugate” women far more than ‘tother way ’round …

    As I said … I don’t care who, what or where you come from as long as you can do the job … are qualified and get on with it … a fair days pay for a fair days work … contribution in my book also means coming up with better ways and communicating issues and problems WITh at least one spossible solution … gender plays no part …

    BTW, KL, I’ve always understood your frustration … and acknowledge the reasons for it …

    Just sayin’ … 😉

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 6:31 pm

    Latest Roy Morgan Poll

    The ALP primary vote is 41.5% (up 2%), ahead of the L-NP primary vote at 39.5% (down 1%).

    The ALP 54.5% (up 3% since last week’s multi-mode Morgan Poll of June 28-30, 2013) is now further ahead of the L-NP 45.5% (down 3%) on a two-party preferred basis.

    Women now clearly favour the ALP (57%, up 3%) cf. L-NP (43%, down 3%) on a two party preferred basis. Even men now favour the ALP (51.5%, up 3%) cf. L-NP (48.5%, down 3%).

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/morgan-poll-july-8-2013-201307080647

  274. July 14, 2013 6:48 pm

    Wow! That’s great news TB! 🙂

  275. July 14, 2013 6:58 pm

    It will make all of the right people’s skin crawl with nervousness.

  276. July 14, 2013 7:00 pm

    If it remains this close, I will put the ALP higher up on my ballot paper.

    Fuck, Abbott, & those who think he’s a solution rather than a potential problem.

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 7:00 pm

    I suspect that’s before the ETS announcement too …

  278. July 14, 2013 7:04 pm

    I wasn’t even going to bother voting this time, but deposing Gillard & the subsequent turnaround has me thinking that an Abbott government landslide isn’t the inevitability it was very recently.
    This is a very good thing.

    I imagine I’m not alone, as evidenced by the change in the polls.

    I still think the ALP will lose, but balance & accountability of the conservatards may yet be achievable in defeat.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2013 7:07 pm

    Toillette, it would be intersting to see how Abbott & The Acolytes handled a minority governmnet too … (yep, compliment to the Gillard government where due)

  280. July 14, 2013 7:18 pm

    It would be funny watching them writhe & make deals with indys to form a minority government, TB.

    Abbott has all the charisma of a spurwing plover.

  281. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 7:23 pm

    Old Salty I think you would be surprised at how women are inspired, encouraged and supported by other women. Armchair is quite right. The world is powered by men. It is much harder for a career-minded woman to climb a corporate ladder if she is also a wife and mother. By and large it is women who must juggle a career with the care of children and later on, elderly parents. You are quite wrong that women destroy other women. In my experience my female friends give me the friendship and assistance that I give to them.

  282. July 14, 2013 7:26 pm

    Snacty, is predisposed towards Abbottian philosophies, Dianne.

  283. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 7:27 pm

    Spurwing Plover! I looked it up. You are right. A most unappealing bird.

  284. July 14, 2013 7:36 pm

    They tend to return to the same place to nest each year. Unfortunately, that is in my large backyard.
    They make a horrifying, unpleasant & incessant sqwarking banshee sound if anyone goes within eyeball range of them.
    Once they have eggs (always in a nest on the ground) they become ridiculously militant & it then becomes a two person effort to mow the lawn…one to push the mower & one to keep the pair (one runs interference while the other attacks) of swooping plovers at bay with a tennis racquet.
    They are called spurwings because they have sharp, bony protrusions which jut from the joint on their wings; and they’re not afraid to use them.

    My old Jack Russell, deaf & blind, used to come in bloodied up after having been outside when the eggs were hatched & the infant monsters were running around (this is when the adults are at their aggressive worst). The spurs poked holes in her hide.

    Needless to say, they are loathsome creatures, reviled by most, just like Abbott.

  285. Dianne permalink
    July 14, 2013 7:55 pm

    My goodness the things you learn. I am absolutely fascinated by your account of this unpleasant creature. The poor old Jackie coming in full of holes. How are those plovers with cats. My long departed and much lamented tabby girls would have dealt with them. I am heading off to swot up on this malicious bird. You have made my day.

  286. July 14, 2013 8:07 pm

    All of the cats I’ve ever had (or currently have) are quite capable of dispatching plovers.

    The poor old dog however, couldn’t hear or see them coming, so was a sitting duck for the nasty miscreations.

    Even against bird-mangling cats, the plovers are brave to the point of reckless stupidity & don’t back off an iota.
    Protecting their offspring is a compelling instinct, apparently. But, the world (this part of it at least) doesn’t need more plovers.

  287. egg permalink
    July 14, 2013 8:08 pm

    ‘It would be funny watching them writhe & make deals with indys to form a minority government, TB.’

    Unlikely to see many independents win seats, so we may end up with another Labor/Green minority government.

    Appalling.

  288. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 14, 2013 8:43 pm

    It is much harder for a career-minded woman to climb a corporate ladder if she is also a wife and mother. By and large it is women who must juggle a career with the care of children and later on, elderly parents.

    You are absolutely right. It is much harder. That is because climbing the corporate ladder requires a commitment to work that is often compromised by the commitment to one’s partner and children. I am a hands on father. Far more so than most. Because I truly love it. Let me absolutely assure you that I suffered far worse in my previous job than my female peers for my commitment. It is not an issue of sexism. It is an issue of conflicts of interest. I am a man. I lost out because of my family responsibilities. Women in a similar situation were given far more leeway and the cost to their career was far less. Shit, even on the study front I was treated differently. This was even acknowledged when I left.

    You are quite wrong that women destroy other women.

    No I’m not. I have been in the workforce for over 20 years and I have seen at first hand what women will do to destroy their female peers. Men, whilst competitive, are in general terms far less aggressive towards their peers. Now I understand that there may be an element of “catching up” that drives that. A feeling that one has to be aggressive (assertive) to get ahead in a traditionally “man’s world”. But at the same time that competitiveness is played out socially. Women will constantly criticise other women on their appearance, on their weight, on their parenting methods etc etc. Men will criticise other men on their conduct. I know women can be very supportive of each other. That’s great. In general terms they play that role far better than their male counterparts. But just look at the aftermath of the Darling Harbour tryst if you want an example of women with competing interests……..

    *Obviously this is a blog and I write in VERY general terms about this stuff.

  289. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2013 9:52 pm

    Tomorrows Nielson 2pp is 50. /50

  290. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 14, 2013 9:59 pm

    I cannot believe how bad the LNP tv advert is.

    FaaaaAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafk !

    Too fucking much too read

    It’s like watching fucking SBS

  291. July 14, 2013 10:21 pm

    😆

    Yep, simple is best. Especially if they’re trying to sway undecideds who aren’t politically engaged.

  292. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:09 am

    Salt what is the Darling Harbour tryst. I do not read newspapers so I miss out on some things sometimes. Interested in what you wrote about your experiences in work place. I agree too that blogs only allow you to talk in very general terms.

  293. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:18 am

    Walrus, interesting to read your comment on the Lib ad. I haven’t seen it but I heard it on the radio and it did seem very ploddingly wordy.

    Toilet, the cuckoo clock bird gave four chirrups a while ago. I am off to a flying start this morn. Alarming to think that the world is still except for me and the spur winged plovers who NEVER sleep. They are always on alert. Like Triffids. Apparently they won’t even get out of the way of Jumbo jets. Do you think they may be more like Kevin than Tony? Kevin Plover.

  294. public toilet permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:37 am

    You’re right, they never sleep.

    It’s virtually impossible to take them by surprise. I’m pretty sure that’s an innate characteristic of nesting on the ground. They’re highly exposed to predators like cats & dogs (and disgruntled tennis racquet wielding home owners).
    They’re not real clever about where they put their nests. As I said, they return to the same place each year. You often see them right beside a busy road or on a school oval. That doesn’t stop them from attacking any man or beast in their vicinity though.
    Their offspring’s mortality rate is quite high on account of their belligerent confrontationalism.

    And the noise! It’s not something you can ever forget. Horrendous.
    They are cunning. The one running interference will screech & goad you, while it’s mate silently circles above & behind you for a stealth attack on the back of your cranium.

    Thoroughly unpleasant…

  295. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:44 am

    Did they wake you up this morning Toilet? I am delighted by all this info. You have enriched my life and given me a new insult to fling about. I am going to give in now and leave the cot and drag my poor unwilling carcass off to the gym where all the mad swimmers will have already gathered at the door. I have had a plover’s sleep.

  296. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:52 am

    Just heard that the Fairfax poll has parities neck and neck and that TA’s personal ratings have suffered a sharp attack by Kevin Plover. Interesting. If the ALP wins it will be a clear indication that the mainstream media – which has had a clear Abbott bias – is not as powerful as some think it is.

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2013 9:14 am

    Yes, Rudd seems to have the ALP in a near winning position, a remarkable effort and all due to off-loading the dishonest, incompetent dead weight of Gillard, Swan, Garrett, Emerson.

    The more people compare Rudd and his revitalised team to Abbott, Hockey, Morrison etc, the more likely they are to swing behind the ALP, so an October election best.

    This election would be preceded by –
    • Kev at the AFL Grand Final, mobbed
    • Kev at the NRL Grand Final, ditto
    • A little old lady shouting insults at Abbott
    • A photo of Abbott wearing a hi-viz vest, safety glasses, and hard hat and eating a pie, while walking through a shopping centre

  298. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 9:20 am

    Even if I didn’t believe JG was demonized and faced impossible odds, I would still find it difficult to comes to grips with Kevin’s undoubted appeal. But then I have never watched TV shows like The Voice, Big Brother or anything with chefs. I must be an outrider.

  299. July 15, 2013 9:47 am

    ” I have never watched TV shows like The Voice, Big Brother or anything with chefs. I must be an outrider.”

    Geez, and yet you’re allowed to vote…. This is what’s wrong with this country!!!

  300. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 10:03 am

    Exactly right Reb. The big flaw with democracy is that everyone can vote.

  301. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 10:11 am

    ‘A photo of Abbott wearing a hi-viz vest, safety glasses, and hard hat and eating a pie, while walking through a shopping centre.’

    🙂

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 10:33 am

    and in no news … news.com.au … carries not one word about the latest POLLS … in fact the front page reads like Women’s Weekly or New Idea … more than a NEWS information “sheet” …

    … how amusement … Rupert must be unwell … 😉

  303. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2013 1:07 pm

    Interesting. If the ALP wins it will be a clear indication that the mainstream media – which has had a clear Abbott bias – is not as powerful as some think it is.

    A wonderfully astute observation there dianne!

    I just keep thinking about the possibility of another hung election, we’ve already had the great unhinging, there would be a mass meltdown, would australia cease to function or would we start to grow up and begin to adjust.

    … how amusement … Rupert must be unwell …

    he’s a bit busy with legal dept and his spinners right now!

    I would still find it difficult to comes to grips with Kevin’s undoubted appeal.

    me too, he makes me cringe with his ‘kevinisms’, a bit like your dad with all his corny jokes as you grew up, maybe that’s why he’s liked – the daddy or the dad & dave effect!

  304. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2013 1:10 pm

    I am inundated with crows at my place the raucous noise drove my neighbour crazy, one day I heard him outside yelling for them to shut up!

    I feed the kookas though, start off with one and all of a sudden there are 10 of them on the fence.

  305. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 2:44 pm

    ‘there would be a mass meltdown’

    Egyptian democracy.

  306. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 3:22 pm

    Thanks for the astute remark Armchair. I suspect we see many things similarly.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 3:31 pm

    Thanks for the astute remark Armchair. I suspect we see many things similarly.

    Speaking of unhinging a few — with comments like that it might happen right here … LOL! 😉

  308. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:04 pm

    “I suspect we see many things similarly.”

    Holy Fuck

    TWO of them…………………..!

  309. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:12 pm

    We might invite more like minds along …..

  310. IPA permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:25 pm

    I now all the 29 to 31 year old women hang out at over at Teh Cafe (guffaw), but some here might find this mildly amusing anyway (rude language warning, if you’re at work turn the volume down a bit) …

  311. IPA permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:25 pm

    now *know

  312. July 15, 2013 6:30 pm

    “I have never watched TV shows like The Voice, Big Brother or anything with chefs. I must be an outrider.”

    FWIW, I hate all of that plastic voyeuristic staged crap as well. I’d stab out my eyes with a teaspoon before I’d watch it.

  313. July 15, 2013 6:31 pm

    “Did they wake you up this morning Toilet?”

    Nyet!

    I’m up all night & sleep at dawn, this week at least, as necessity dictates.

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