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Who is the Real Tony Abbott?

July 15, 2013
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  1. July 15, 2013 4:52 pm

    Yes, and they are only 2 of his faces.
    People need to remember all the other faces he has exposed us to over the last 3 years of his negative campaign against Julia Gillard.

    Between now and the election, we’ll receive truck loads of promises and spin, and so we must all try our hardest to stay sane and sober throughout this onslaught.

    But something we should all consider on our way to the election is, “on the international stage, do you want Abbott or Rudd speaking on Australia’s behalf ??”

    Which one projects the best “statesman” like image ?
    Which one is the most “professional”?

    And as you prepare to fill out your ballot slip, just think, “Would I buy a used car from this man/woman?”

    Cheers

    Mick http://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/about/

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 4:55 pm

    And still they come …………

    Tony Abbott’s great achievement these past three years – perhaps his greatest – has been to have a greenhouse gas reduction target in his policy while campaigning as a climate change denier.

    It has been an incredible feat of political double standards: to have a policy that matches the ALP’s emissions abatement target while appealing to those who believe it’s all a load of rubbish.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/7/15/politics/now-political-test-series-contest?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=350567&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

  3. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:27 pm

    Abbott’s only chance for survival is to recant and then pull a rabbit out of the hat…. shock, awe and much laughter.

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:51 pm

    They are both true. The govt has failed. We have a good standard of living (for the moment) in spite of the current govt.

    Another 3 years of Labor deficits we will lose our AAA credit rating like Queensland did under BeattieBligh, like has recently happened to SA under Labor and what happened under Hawke/keating.

    We are now giving our 14K humanitarian places to people with mobile phones. computers and money instead of those fleeing persecution and costing $1B more than under Howards Pacific Solution.

    You could also say Howard/Costello left the place in such good shape it would take Labor 15 years to destroy the joint.

    A booming economy with unemployment at 4.3% did not help Howard but the rules seem to be different for Labor. People want money from the govt and Labor is ready to hand it out in bucketloads.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:56 pm

    Kneel, apply for a Green Card and go and live in the USofA for a year … travel as much as you can …

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:57 pm

    If you want to mention backflips how about the carbon tax??

  7. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 5:58 pm

    Its not disingenuous for a politician speaking to a business club in NY to put a positive spin on Australia overall and then on the hustings to say something else.

    He’s a statesman in waiting.

  8. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:00 pm

    He will be waiting a long time

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:20 pm

    Do you actually KNOW what a statesman IS, egg?

  10. July 15, 2013 6:27 pm

    Who..the desperate, scared weird guy in the corner, alone and grossly unpopular.

  11. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:27 pm

    Yes TB, but in this instance its really up to Abbott to be circumspect and pretend he’s a statesman.

    A future leader cannot behave otherwise.

  12. July 15, 2013 6:31 pm

    PS you might notice a little direct hand action there… NOS is joining in as its an involuntary murdochary spasm those fiberals have….99 change hands

  13. July 15, 2013 6:32 pm

    TB..obviously not 😦

  14. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:39 pm

    But as Reb has pointed out Egg, he wears eyeshadow.

  15. July 15, 2013 6:40 pm

    “its really up to Abbott to be circumspect and pretend he’s a statesman”

    But he’s no good at pretending egg..

    And besides, why would you want a “pretend” statesman when you can have a real one like Talcum or Rudd…

    Me thinks you’re pretending to be a supreme f**kwit, or are you genuinely this stupid?

  16. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:41 pm

    Good grooming is essential.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:42 pm

    😆

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:43 pm

    Good grooming is essential.

    Then in your case i suggest … √ A Tick For Turnbull!

  19. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:44 pm

    I am amused

  20. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:47 pm

    ‘Me thinks you’re pretending to be a supreme f**kwit, or are you genuinely this stupid?’

    Thanx for the kind words, but as I’m in the middle of making my signature dish I’ll get back later.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 6:57 pm

    Signature dish!

    How many, egg, dishes are there!

    Which one are you referring to? 😯

  22. July 15, 2013 7:03 pm

    poached.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:12 pm

    coddled

  24. July 15, 2013 7:13 pm

    Steaming piled?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:26 pm

    Scotched

  26. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:29 pm

    Much amusement, just Sri Lankan rice and curry, lentils with Maldive fish and a little sliced tomato sprinkled with vinegar and salt.

    It was yum.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:31 pm

    NO EGG!

  28. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:32 pm

    No egg, I’m a vegan.

  29. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:36 pm

    Now the thing with Abbott, he appears to be an intellectual midget without personality, but he may have something up his sleeve. You know what they say about cornered rats?

  30. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:44 pm

    That’s half a teaspoon of Maldive fish, to make it more palatable.

  31. July 15, 2013 7:51 pm

    That sounds very tasty egg.

    While you were away we could’ve made a meal out of you… 🙂

  32. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 7:58 pm

    I’m vulnerable.

    To accompany this dish I had a glass of Sauvignon Blanc Semillon left behind by guests, the fruity flavour was perfect.

  33. Dianne permalink
    July 15, 2013 8:01 pm

    Just the one glass Egg

  34. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 8:12 pm

    Only the one, I become a nasty piece of work after a couple.

    Talking of the real Tony, highlighted by splatter earlier, this is new strategy.

    ‘A reporter inquired whether this made carbon markets just the same as financial markets. Abbott repeated his definition: “Let’s think about it. It’s a market in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one.”

    Murphy in the Guardian

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2013 8:26 pm

    Apparently I become increasingly handsome, gregarious and intelligent after several glasses of red.

  36. egg permalink
    July 15, 2013 8:28 pm

    LOL ToM

  37. July 15, 2013 8:41 pm

    Meanwhile I become eminently shaggable after two litres of red…

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2013 9:06 pm

    Maybe if Abbott would drink lots of red…

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2013 9:07 pm

    Unfortunately Kev looks like a pinot noir drinker to me.

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  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 15, 2013 11:48 pm

    No egg, I’m a vegan.

    I didn’t think vegans ate fish, not even maldive fish!

  48. July 16, 2013 3:09 am

    He don’t know what a statesman or vegan is.. by the sound of it. :rol:

  49. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:03 am

    ‘I didn’t think vegans ate fish, not even maldive fish!’

    I’m not a purist, it was only half a teaspoon of dry Maldive fish grounded into a powder.

  50. IPAddress permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:12 am

    Look out, it’s the lifestyle police.

  51. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:27 am

    The lifestyle police have nothing.

    ——–

    Abbott’s comments on Labor’s ETS has ‘met with derision from climate experts and industry.’

    Hooray! Let’s have a debate about a harmless, invisible trace gas.

  52. Dianne permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:06 am

    This site could take on Wikipaedia.

    In the past week I haved learnded:

    . tA wears silver eyeshadow (except that it is white – from the original source)
    . That spur winged plovers are disagreeable vicious birds who never sleep and need to be tackled with tennis rackets’
    . That there is a wasp which deals with codling moth and now I have been introduced to the culinary delights of Maldives fish except I will not eat them for I dislike anything which comes from watery places or clings to rocks therein.

  53. July 16, 2013 9:35 am

    So by Abbott’s logic, radiation is also harmless I guess….. 🙄

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2013 9:38 am

    Abbott is getting more airtime, which is nice. The consequence-

    • Stupid comment about ETS
    • Something off beam about boats and Indonesia
    ——————-
    Did I mention how refreshing politics is without Gillard droning on and Swan blustering?
    ——————-
    If Rudd wins the election, I’m expecting wholesale restructuring of the ALP, with options for affiliation for non union organisations, more representation for actual members and sidelining of hacks/warlords.

    Bowen has written the book, the types of changes have been recommended by Hawke & Wran, then by Carr, Bracks and Faulkner. Momentum is for reform.
    ———————
    “If god didn’t want us to eat animals he wouldn’t have made them out of meat”

  55. July 16, 2013 9:40 am

    To all those so-called “vegans” out there…

    If you want to be nice to animals, why are you eating all their food..?

  56. July 16, 2013 9:42 am

    Tony Abbott enjoying a movie…

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:16 am

    Yesterday afternoon I was looking through some old video 8 clips I have recently digitised and found one I’d taken of a preying mantis, pouncing on, and eating, a bug …

    … on my walk this morning a van swished by with Tony Abbott glaring down from it … jesus fkn christ I thought … I just realised what he looks like!

  58. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:18 am

    So Kev’s idea is to go to a full market system ETS.

    That sounds like a great idea

    Its going to be fully integrated with the European ETS

    What a great idea………………..we can learn alot from Europe

    So the carbon price under the ETS will be floating…………………..just like a market price does………………that’s good

    And the European Parliament sets the governing rules for the European ETS

    And the market price can only be manipulated by agreement of the European Parliament via front and backloading of the issue of emission permits which will govern the supply of those permits and hence the price.

    Well thank goodness the Market Price can be subject to manipulation I say.

    We wouldn’t want it to left alone to set its own level would we ?

    And the only members of the European Parliament are …………………..Europeans.

    So if I switch on my TV in Palm Beach which is roughly 19,000 kilometres from the European Parliament the price I pay will be decided by a fucking overpaid arsehole public servant Euro MP living in a fucking villa in the South of Fucking France.

    ARE WE COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS IN THIS COUNTRY OR WHAT ?

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:24 am

    ARE WE COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOTS IN THIS COUNTRY OR WHAT ?

    I only read this bit ’cause it needed an answer … Answer: Only some of you, Wally, only sonme of you … 🙂

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:29 am

    Well thank goodness the Market Price can be subject to manipulation I say.

    We wouldn’t want it to left alone to set its own level would we ?

    Perhaps you could also tell the Federal Reserve in the USA to stop printing money so that my capital reserve isn’t diluted internationally just so Dickheads© can spend more money on a corrupt Dow Jones market too, Wally … thanks in anticipation … 😛

  61. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:39 am

    ‘To all those so-called “vegans” out there…’

    There appears to be a misunderstanding, I don’t give a rats arse about the wildlife, I just want to remain slim and attractive and live to 100 in good working order.

  62. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:43 am

    ‘So by Abbott’s logic, radiation is also harmless I guess….. ‘

    CO2 is beneficial to life on the planet and a little extra is actually not a bad thing. We are not taxing radiation, yet.

  63. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 11:22 am

    Yep, Abbott has been disingenuous and half-hearted, he’s only a politician.

    He should recant immediately and desert the AGW faith completely.

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2013 11:28 am

    Look out, it’s the lifestyle police.

    I don’t police or care what he eats, my point was that if you eat fish [eat/drink anything derived from fish/animal product], you can’t really call yourself a vegan.

    Hooray! Let’s have a debate about a harmless, invisible trace gas.

    Well stick your head in a plastic bag, seal it off and see how long you breathe.

    There appears to be a misunderstanding, I don’t give a rats arse about the wildlife,

    no misunderstanding 😉

    If Rudd wins the election, I’m expecting wholesale restructuring of the ALP, with options for affiliation for non union organisations, more representation for actual members and sidelining of hacks/warlords.

    And that will be a good thing.

    Is there some directive from Lib HQ saying that whenever you get a chance to be on TV you must aggressively talk over the top of and interrupt everybody else?

    “If god didn’t want us to eat animals he wouldn’t have made them out of meat”

    Isn’t god invisible?

    How do you have direct action on something invisible? [twitter comment on Q&A]

  65. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 11:37 am

    “Well stick your head in a plastic bag, seal it off and see how long you breathe.”

    Air is like Sex

    It only becomes important if ya not getting any

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2013 11:44 am

  67. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:03 pm

    I don’t police or care what he eats, my point was that if you eat fish [eat/drink anything derived from fish/animal product], you can’t really call yourself a vegan.

    So if I eat vegan 99% of the time its simply not good enough for you…. bloody thought police are everywhere.

  68. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:04 pm

    That’s a stupid argument from Chris Bowen.

    1) The European ETS is subject to manipulation by the European Parliament by adding or withdrawing the physical number of Carbon Permits thereby influencing the price.

    2) No foreign parliament can influence the price of the Australian Dollar by withdrawing or adding to the physical quantity of AUD in the market at any time

    Bowen is starting to sound like that gormless idiot that preceded him as Treasurer

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:18 pm

    So if I eat vegan 99% of the time its simply not good enough for you…. bloody thought police are everywhere.

    I repeat, I don’t care what you eat. I wasn’t thinking anything about it at all until you posted about eating maldive fish and then declared you were a vegan – two contradictory positions. The 1% of non-vegan eating is what makes you vegetarian, not vegan I would think.

    It’s not the thought it’s the deed!

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:36 pm

    Tony Abbott caught wolf-whistling to climate change denialists:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/16/tony-abbott-climate-change-denial

    “It’s a market, a so-called market, in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one.”…

    …Abbott’s comments, parroted or not, suggests firstly that this Rhodes scholar who studied for an economics degree does not understand financial markets. They are full of commodities traded in their trillions but never actually delivered, be they invisible substances such as natural gas, or very visible products such as cattle and pigs…

    …Abbott’s ascension – courtesy of an influential group of conservative ideologues – mirrors the recent trend in the US where the Tea Party and climate denier influence in the US republican party (90% of its leadership rejects climate science) forces its candidates to row far to the right in pre-selection. So far right, in fact, that it’s impossible to regain the middle ground.

    The Liberal party gladly sacrificed two leaders on climate change policies before settling on Abbott. Presumably, it wouldn’t hesitate to do so again if it feels that the opportunity for power was now slipping from its grasp…

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:40 pm

    2) No foreign parliament can influence the price of the Australian Dollar by withdrawing or adding to the physical quantity of AUD in the market at any time

    I repeat, Wally …

    Perhaps you could also tell the Federal Reserve in the USA to stop printing money so that my capital reserve isn’t diluted internationally just so Dickheads© can spend more money on a corrupt Dow Jones market too, Wally … thanks in anticipation …

    BTW, an ETS needs to be GLOBAL to work (step by tiny step?) … you are sounding a little shrill this morning, Wally … your not coming down with Abbottpox are you? 🙂

  72. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:50 pm

    The European Carbon Tax almost collapsed a short while back … its a dodgy market kept afloat by Brussels.

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2013 12:51 pm

    This is the way Labor is funding things.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/breaking-news/aofm-sells-200m-of-feb-2022-indexed-bonds/story-e6frg90f-1226680128483

    AOFM sells $200m of Feb 2022 indexed bonds

  74. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 1:06 pm

    “They are full of commodities traded in their trillions but never actually delivered, be they invisible substances such as natural gas, or very visible products such as cattle and pigs…”

    What a load of bullshit !

    This “journalist” has no f***ing idea what they are talking about. There is no such thing as an open ended contract as he is implying.

    You still need to close it out with either the commodity itself or the dollars equivalent.

  75. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 1:07 pm

    “Wally … your not coming down with Abbottpox are you?”

    LOL

    Not at all.

    I will just adjust my circumstances should Rudd actually manage to convince enough turkeys to vote for Christmas.

  76. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 1:09 pm

    “……….Perhaps you could also tell the Federal Reserve in the USA to stop printing money so that my capital reserve isn’t diluted internationally just so Dickheads© can spend more money on a corrupt Dow Jones market too, ”

    Dont worry TB

    I’ve just sent Benny boy at the Fed Reserve a very stern email

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 16, 2013 1:25 pm

    I’m looking forward to TA supporting the removal of copyright protections and non- belief in invisible things like god.

    How Far Will The Coalition Tow The Boats?:
    http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/16/how-far-will-coalition-tow-boats

    “if Tony Abbott is concerned about people paying for invisible things, then anyone who owns intellectual property should be very concerned, likewise people in the futures and financial derivatives market.”

  78. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 1:39 pm

    ‘LONDON, July 15 (Reuters Point Carbon) – Ministers from Spain, Czech Republic and Portugal must back the EU Commission’s so-called backloading plan if the measure to prop up prices in the EU carbon market is to become law before the autumn, according to Britain’s energy and climate secretary.’

    Point Carbon

  79. Ol' Sancty permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:09 pm

    What I’ve learned in this thread…….

    Radiation is traded……
    Copyrights are traded……
    Gods are traded…….
    Money, whilst traded, isn’t apparently delivered……
    Natural Gas, whilst traded, isn’t delivered either…….

    I thin a lot of people are full of shit.

  80. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:10 pm

    “The economy is so bad that consumers and businesses bought a record number of new cars in June.”

    AutoTalk: Cheap prices drive boost in new car sales

    ‘More Australians are buying new cars thanks to competitive prices and the relatively strong Australian dollar. New car sales rose 4% in June to 97,687 units, while sales are also up 7.1% over the past 12 months, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics announced on Monday. CommSec chief economist Craig James says the strength of the Aussie dollar and strong global competition in the car market is putting downward pressure on car prices.

    ‘”There’s only two areas of the economy that seem as though they’re firing on all cylinders at the moment – new car sales and the housing market,” says James. “Car sales are at record highs for the month of June and record highs over the financial year. “The affordability of cars is the best since the 1970s so for ordinary private buyers, there’s a lot of attraction in updating their ride.”

    ‘James says demand for new vehicles was also coming from mining companies, and construction companies working in the improving housing sector. Government incentives for businesses to increase their purchase of new vehicles was also a factor, he says. But James adds that the fall in car prices will slow down, as the Australian dollar continues losing ground. Car sales could also slow due to a wind-down of the mining boom and consumer caution driven by a softer jobs market, he says.’

  81. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:14 pm

    ‘LET’S be very plain, as Prime Minister Kevin Rudd would put it: The great Labor crusade against climate change has been abandoned for the sake of short-term electoral gain.

    ‘What once had been the “the great moral question of our generation” has been reduced to an election bribe.’

    Malcom Farr (Hate Media)

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:17 pm

    … removal of copyright protections …

    I actually own copyright for over 100, workplace learning notes and associated assessments (most for mining equipment) that I developed and wrote over 5 years (the last three I sold for $10,000 each!) … you do need a tangible asset to own copyright. And the value is in its usefulness to the buyer.

    … or in the case of CO2 the need to reduce its influence on society …

    Now gods are different … 🙂

    Just sayin’ …

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:19 pm

    I thin a lot of people are full of shit.

    So are fat people …

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:22 pm

    ‘”There’s only two areas of the economy that seem as though they’re firing on all cylinders at the moment – new car sales and the housing market,” says James.

    The two industries of Australia’s economy that are prime drivers … I was taught when studying Economics and Financial Management … so many fkn years ago its become quite frightening!!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:24 pm

    Malcolm Farr is a Fuckwit™ Even Malcolm Farr knows that …

    Rudd may have reduced it to an “election bribe” but Aussies get that it’s obvious … Abbott’s two faced ignorant BS is another thing altogether …

  86. July 16, 2013 2:25 pm

    An excellent article on the great unravelling of the Liberal Party as it rapidly becomes increasingly unhinged…

    http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/16/how-far-will-coalition-tow-boats

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 2:58 pm

    Good article, sreb, although I notice another reference to intellectual property as being “invisible” …

    … this is not the case …

    … what I suspect they are referring to is that “intellectual property” is simply a thought and this is not so …

    … it must be capable of being demonstrated (ie recorded in someway – written, painted, sung, photographed etc) and proven to be demonstrably “original” …

    But you know that, hey?

    Its a bit like …

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!

    Copyright © TB Queensland 2007

  88. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 3:22 pm

    “… it must be capable of being demonstrated (ie recorded in someway – written, painted, sung, photographed etc) and proven to be demonstrably “original” … I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!”

    But doesn’t have to make sense, apparently. 😉

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 3:53 pm

    Did I say it has to have value to the “buyer” … do keep up … 😉

  90. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:00 pm

    From the New Matilda article………….

    “Last night, Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Marty Natalegawa, reiterated Indonesia’s opposition to the tow-back policy. “Such a policy would constitute a unilateral type of measure that we do not support,” he told Network Ten. “We are not ecstatic about it for sure, but in terms of in the spirit of wanting to hear the various policy options countries are proposing, parties are proposing, it’s good to have this dialogue.”

    He said he was opposed to unilateral action. That is, they want to be consulted in regard to the policy.

    They said the same thing last week as well.

    It’s likely they will need to say it next week as well as even the Indonesians will conclude rightly so that the Left in this country are so fucking thick they still wont get it.

    The Indonesians are trying to tread neutral ground in another country’s election campaign.

    By the way “various policy options” = Price Tag Per Boat which is likely to well short of the Billions we pissed against the wall over the ALPs failed policies

    Then this…………..

    “………..The Australia Institute’s Richard Denniss had perhaps the best bon mot when he pointed out that “if Tony Abbott is concerned about people paying for invisible things, then anyone who owns intellectual property should be very concerned, likewise people in the futures and financial derivatives market………”

    “best bon mot” ?

    Ummmmmmmmmm not really……………………it just goes to prove Richard Denniss also does not have a fucking clue about financial markets and the actual need to “deliver” either.

  91. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:08 pm

    Rudd has challenged Abbott to another debate this time on Climate Policy.

    When is he going to announce an election date ?

    Or is the ALP’s polling in targeted marginal seats not showing quite as nice a picture as the national Newspoll, and Galaxy polls are showing …………….LOL.

  92. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:10 pm

    “I think a lot of people are full of shit.”

    Yep…………………..a lot of people seem to know about as much about financial markets as Catching Up does.

  93. July 16, 2013 4:16 pm

    “When is he going to announce an election date ?”

    Getting your lines straight from the Coalition hand book these days Wally…? Not even a hint of improvisation….??

    You’re sounding as shrill as Joe Hockey these days, and he’s completely unhinged…!! 😆

  94. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:23 pm

    “Getting your lines straight from the Coalition hand book these days Wally…? ”

    Well F**k you.

    Its not a book

    Its a pamphlet

    🙂

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:23 pm

    ’tis Abbottpox, sreb … spreading fast too …

  96. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:28 pm

    Ben Eltham is a fearsome slayer of straw dragons, apparently. He says the coalitions policy is to “tow back the boats”, uses quotation marks, and mentions tow-back or a derivative thereof 13 times in his article, and goes on to explain why taking a boat under tow in sometimes stormy seas is so dangerous.

    But wait! The only actual quote he can find from a Liberal party spokesperson that even comes close to this is: “if elected, the Coalition will implement a full suite of proven border protection policies including turning boats around where it is safe to do so”.

    But, hey, why let facts stand in the way when you can just convey a load of absolute bullshit instead? The rusted-ons who want to believe won’t care. Nor will the “editors” at New Matilda, evidently.

  97. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:38 pm

    ‘Rudd has challenged Abbott to another debate this time on Climate Policy.’

    If the monk doesn’t step up and face the champ, it would be a great loss of face.

  98. July 16, 2013 4:41 pm

    “The only actual quote he can find…”

    You mean “turning the boats around” isn’t on the Coalition’s agenda….? Well I’ll be.

    Someone better tell Scott Morrison…. 😆

    ”They will be intercepted outside our sea border and it will be arranged for them to be returned to Sri Lanka.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/navy-would-have-role-in-turning-asylum-boats-around-morrison-20130204-2dtkd.html#ixzz2ZBjPREUc

  99. July 16, 2013 4:43 pm

    And Tony Abbott…

    Mr Abbott stood by the Coalition’s policy to turn boats around, saying it was a ”standard operation”.

    ”It is not beyond the professionalism of our Navy to do it,” he told reporters.

    http://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/1640343/national-interest-trumps-regional-concern-on-boats-abbott/?cs=12

  100. July 16, 2013 4:44 pm

    Oh, and Julia Bishop…

    “It has been our policy for 10 years to turn back boats”

    http://australianetwork.com/focus/s3423851.htm

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:51 pm

    Another √ Tick For Turnbull!

    And in the interests of fairness … tick, tick, tick for Abbott 😛

  102. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 4:51 pm

    “You mean “turning the boats around” isn’t on the Coalition’s agenda….? Well I’ll be.”

    Um, no. Towing back is not on their agenda. Subtle difference I know, but there you are. 🙄

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 5:07 pm

    Subtle difference I know, but there you are.

    Best get used to it, ToSY … about time the subtle difference approach was applied to some of the inflammatory statements from Morrison (and the Liberals in general) – brackets alert … the man is just a loudmouthed bully …

    How do the Liberals plan to “turn the boats back”? (quotation alert) …

  104. July 16, 2013 5:09 pm

    ” Towing back is not on their agenda. Subtle difference I know, but there you are. ”

    Maybe you explain how the Coalition plans to ‘turn the boats around’ without actually ‘towing’ them back to international waters?

    A polite request from the captain on the bridge perhaps? “I say, you there, boat people vessel, would you mind throwing her into reverse and returning forthwith to whence from where you came…?”

    That should work 😯

    Maybe Julie Bishop could make the pre recorded message…

  105. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 5:24 pm

    “Maybe you explain how the Coalition plans to ‘turn the boats around’ without actually ‘towing’ them back to international waters?”

    Not really. My interest was in pointing out Ben Eltham’s strawman argument.

    Nevertheless, here’s what Retired Vice Admiral Chris Ritchie had to say about the practice: “[Turn backs] are a legitimate Navy operation. It’s something that Navies have done over centuries and in that sense, if the Government gives a direction to do it, the Navy people will do it and they’ll do it well.”

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 5:42 pm

    What the RETIRED LIBERAL SUPPORTER admiral forgot to mention was that he was referring to the 17th and 18th centuries not the 21st Century … God Save The King …

    As for (quotation alert) … “if the Government gives a direction to do it, the Navy people will do it and they’ll do it well.”

    They fkn have to … 🙄

    Maybe Julie Bishop could take aout a patrol boat with Morrison and crewed by liberal backbenchers …

  107. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 5:45 pm

    It no use ToSY

    The Lefties only tactic is to speculate and hypothesise upon the LNP policies because if they look at historical facts they’ll find the LNP policies worked and that their own policy outcomes are just…………well……………just too plain ugly to revisit or reflect upon.

  108. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2013 5:47 pm

    “How do the Liberals plan to “turn the boats back”?

    If you retards did not mess around with Howards successful policies we would not be having this trouble. Apparently we are now getting 35,000 boat people/year based on last months numbers. Bob Carr says they could double.

  109. July 16, 2013 5:54 pm

    “The Lefties only tactic is to speculate and hypothesise upon the LNP policies”

    Policies? Don’t you mean “the pamphlet…?”

  110. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:01 pm

    LOL

  111. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:02 pm

    The “flyer”

  112. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:03 pm

    Yes I do hope that 1 day soon the LNP will at least put something under my windscreen wiper

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:04 pm

    Rudd made a mess of it, I agree …

    … however, no-one can guarantee that replicating the same policies now, would work (or are even legal, based on discussions I’ve read over the last seven years) …

    … its as possible as bringing back decent music on the radio …

    … and despite contraire furphies the movement of refugees and asylum seekers has increased enormously around the world … just as they did after WWII …

    … people,don’t like living in a rain of bombs and (quotation alert) “legalised” murder …

    I remind you that all the fuss is being made about 20% of the illegal entries into Australia, most in detention … the other 80% flying in are living in the community …

    We are simply dealing with an iteration of Pareto’s Theory … the major parties spend 80% of their time and energy on the 20% (because they are more visible and therefore a politically easy target for Liberal supporters to wet their pantz about) … this won’t fix the problem …

    What’s wrong with a bipartisan approach anyway?

    Either system accept about 94% of people as refugees/asylum seekers.

    We need to work with the Indonesians to shut down the people smugglers – stop it at the source …

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:06 pm

    Yes I do hope that 1 day soon the LNP will at least put something under my windscreen wiper

    make sure you can’t see any digital numbers or hear ticking …

    Just in case …

  115. Dianne permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:13 pm

    Who said this?
    ‘…. From my faith I derive the values of loving kindness, justice and righteousness, to act with compassion and kindness, acknowledging our common humanity and to consider the welfare of others; to fight for a fair go for everyone to fulfill their human potential and to remove whatever unjust obstacles stand in their way ….
    … We must recognize an unchanging and absolute standard of what is good and what is evil … (Quoting Desmond Tutu) “We expect Christians …. To be those who stand up for truth, to stand up for justice, to stand on the side of the poor and the hungry, the homeless and the naked, and when that happens, the Christians will be trustworthy believable witnesses”….
    Above all be generous in spirit to share our good fortune with others, both at home and overseas, out of compassion and a desire for justice’.

    Who said all that?
    Scott Morrison
    From his Maiden Speech
    14 Feb 2008

  116. July 16, 2013 6:18 pm

    “Scott Morrison From his Maiden Speech”

    Remarkable quote Dianne…

    It confirms my life experience that 99% of the dog botherers I’ve met (especially the so-called “new-lifers”) have no qualms about lying, cheating and demonising others as long as they think they’re doing it in dog’s name.

  117. Dianne permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:27 pm

    It is remarkable that he could espouse such views and yet advocate for such harsh treatment of asylum seekers. I have never understood how self-proclaimed Christians can be so uncompassionate. That said, on this matter, some of the people who help and advocate for refugees are Christians. The Brigidine order of nuns are particularly dedicated.

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:29 pm

    “… and despite contraire furphies the movement of refugees and asylum seekers has increased enormously around the world”

    Don’t you listen to Bob carr?? Labor is now calling them economic refugees. They are coming here for the same reasons that Mexicans cross the border into the US. They want a better life for their family.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/foreign-affairs-minister-bob-carr-warns-of-new-breed-of-asylum-seeker-driven-by-economic-factors/story-fnihsrf2-1226679860563

    FOREIGN Affairs Minister Bob Carr fears asylum-seeker numbers could double unless a new approach is found to stop the influx of boats. ……………………….The latest boat, carrying 84 people, sailed directly from Vietnam, where there has been no conflict for 30 years.”

  119. July 16, 2013 6:41 pm

    “I have never understood how self-proclaimed Christians can be so uncompassionate.”

    I can. Most of them are outright racists.

  120. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:43 pm

    Talking of dog botherers, there is a biblical epic on tonight (free to air) and its being handled as SF in four parts. Over 100 million amerikans watched it and here its up against game of thrones.

    The producers had the brilliant idea of creating a literal version of accepted wisdom and the gospel of Judas doesn’t get a mention.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:44 pm

    Unlike you Kneel, my opinions and thoughts are my own … not Bob Carr’s or any other politician … hopefully you’ll figure out how to think for yourself one day … after you graduate maybe …

  122. Dianne permalink
    July 16, 2013 6:52 pm

    I am with you there TB

  123. July 16, 2013 7:10 pm

    “To all those so-called “vegans” out there…

    If you want to be nice to animals, why are you eating all their food..?”

    bwahahaha! 🙂

  124. July 16, 2013 7:27 pm

    “We are simply dealing with an iteration of Pareto’s Theory … the major parties spend 80% of their time and energy on the 20% (because they are more visible and therefore a politically easy target for Liberal supporters to wet their pantz about) … this won’t fix the problem …”

    Zakly!

    Although, enough ALP supporters must be seen to be similarly influenced, given the lurch to the right on asylum seekers in recent years.

    Lets face it. Plenty of Australians, generally the poorly travelled ones with requisitely narrow horizons, are ignorant, selfish & xenophobic.
    The conservatives just play on it a little more overtly.

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:34 pm

    “he’s not the terminator, he’s the fabricator”

    That’s great by Abbott, he’s added 233% to his 3 word slogans!!

  126. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:35 pm

    Kevin Rudd: “The government has today decided to terminate the carbon tax.”

    Hey, wait a minute. I thought it was a “price” not a “tax”. Where’s Tom R when you need him?

  127. July 16, 2013 7:39 pm

    Abbott’s flailing looks increasingly cynical & desperate!

    Here’s hoping the reproachful jesusfreak starts having plenty more to say, on the record, in public. He is the key to his own undoing. He repels most people.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:39 pm

    You’re starting to sound as shrill as Wally, ToSY … LOL! Abbottpox is spreading faster’n I thought …

    I thought it was a “price” not a “tax”.

    WGAF what it’s called … its gorn … hey, cobber … 😉

  129. July 16, 2013 7:40 pm

    “I thought it was a “price” not a “tax”. Where’s Tom R when you need him?”

    Unfortunately, for TomR, the ALP have forfeited that battle of semantics.

  130. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:41 pm

    If the carbon tax is too high, as Mr Rudd admitted today, why wait another year to switch to a floating-price ETS? Why not just reduce the fixed price tomorrow from the current $24 to say $6?

  131. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:45 pm

    “You’re starting to sound as shrill as Wally, ToSY”

    Ya think? Shrillness is in the “ear” of the “listener”, cobber. 😉

  132. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 7:46 pm

    Uhlmann on 7:30 has lefties heads exploding all over the shop. ABC: Hate Media!

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:00 pm

    Ulhmann hates everyone that hasn’t studied in a seminary, or so it seems.

  134. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:09 pm

    Queensland “economist”: ‘The two industries of Australia’s economy that are prime drivers [new car sales and the housing market] … I was taught when studying Economics and Financial Management’

    Queensland Hate Media: New FBT rules will cripple the car industry

  135. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:19 pm

    TONY ABBOTT: ‘Our policies are very practical, they make obvious sense. We’ll plant more trees, we’ll produce better soils, we’ll use smarter technologies – these will produce a better environment here in Australia.’

    ABC

    The man is an idiot, it has nothing to do with climate change.

  136. July 16, 2013 8:35 pm

    But it’s all “invisible” – trace gasses, climate change, radiation,… what are you cunts so worried about…??!!

    Just vote Yabbott and she’ll be right…!

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:37 pm

    A fart doesn’t exist because you can’t see it.

  138. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:40 pm

    ‘Just vote Yabbott and she’ll be right…!’

    Nup, they are all deluded and I’ll be voting informal.

  139. IPA permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:48 pm

    Yeah, mind rays are invisible too. But if they weren’t real I wouldn’t have to be wearing this tinfoil hat now would I? 🙄

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2013 8:52 pm

    Economics and Financial Management

    Sounds dodgy.

  141. July 16, 2013 9:33 pm

    So, IPA, do you think Abbott’s muddled, obfuscative, disingenuous stance (borne further by recent comments he’s made) on AGW is a net positive for him?…hmmmm.

  142. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:39 pm

    European Carbon Price is expressed in Euros which currently is AUD $6 per tonne.

    Lets just hope the AUD/Euro rate never ever changes.

    Oh fuck ………..the AUD floats

    That might just mean astromical sudden increases in power prices in the future.

    LOL

    If people want to vote themselves out of a job then so be it. No sympathy here.

    Lets watch how many Turkeys vote for Christmas .

    LOL

  143. Filthy Scumbag Walrus permalink
    July 16, 2013 10:58 pm

    “Nup, they are all deluded and I’ll be voting informal.”

    If you don’t want to participate then don’t come back here after the election to complain. One can even complain about who they voted for. But to not vote denies you that fight.

    I reckon anyway.

  144. egg permalink
    July 16, 2013 11:08 pm

    I’ll sleep on that Walrus, but in good conscience I cannot vote for brainwashed people.

  145. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 8:46 am

    ‘But it’s all “invisible” – trace gasses, climate change, radiation,… what are you cunts so worried about…??!!’

    Speaking for myself, the left and right think CO2 makes the world a warmer place, but this has failed to materialise.

    The danger for humanity, apart from being brainwashed, is a mini ice age…. but don’t you worry about that.

    😉

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2013 9:12 am

    “Unlike you Kneel, my opinions and thoughts are my own … not Bob Carr’s or any other politician

    Yes I know and they are usually wrong. There are 20 million refugees around the world and most would not have the money to pay a smuggler. But there would be 1-2 billion people around the world who want to come here for a better life for their family. The US has 10 million Mexicans living there and most arrived unlawfully. Its just better to live in the US than a Mexican slum.

    Unless we are willing to take everyone in we have to have a quota system. And if we have a quota system we should chose which people we take. And Bob Carr is right. These boat people are not fleeing persecution. They are fleeing a bad place to live in. That is not what our humanitarian program is for.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2013 9:36 am

    Is it just me, or does Andrew Bolt seem to be a little more shrill?

    I think there is plenty of perspiration going on now.

  148. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:05 am

    “You’re starting to sound as shrill as Wally, ToSY … LOL! Abbottpox is spreading faster’n I thought …”

    LOL

    Not when you have Bob Car lending a helping hand by saying projected intake this year will be 40,000 refugees and next year it will be 80,000. And on his figures 80% are economic refugees.

    Plus Rudd has certainly big time pissed off any of the 320,000 company car drivers that drifted back to him in the last few weeks.

    Some advice for you Turkeys out there.

    I wouldn’t get too excited just yet. A few of you might still vote against Christmas

  149. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:11 am

    ‘Is it just me, or does Andrew Bolt seem to be a little more shrill?’

    The election is coming up, the crowd is cheering a contest between a couple of no hopers.

    Bolter’s shrillness is all about boats and weather.

  150. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:13 am

    And before y’all pull out the “redneck” card.

    Just remember that those refugees are mainly housed in lower socio economic areas of Sydney and Melbourne.

    Sydney has a drive by shooting every night of the week these days. And it almost always is Middle Eastern origin related.

    We dont have a NSW Police Force Middle Eastern Crime Unit or Asian Crime Unit for no reason at all.

    It was soooooooooooo nice of that self funded retiree living in Rockhampton at last nights Community Cabinet meeting to implore us all to just accept more and more refugees.

    Of course not many make there way up to “Rocky” and if his financial affairs are structured properly he does not pay taxes to provide for them.

    Yeah………..it was real big of him with that kind plea.

  151. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:19 am

    Well said, Walrus.

  152. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:21 am

    Surely it would be smart for Rudd to go to an election in August, before the winter power bills come in?

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:24 am

    “Just remember that those refugees are mainly housed in lower socio economic areas of Sydney and Melbourne.”

    And they are most probably not refugees but economic immigrants. We used to take people from UNHCR camps under Howards Pacific Solution. People in camps would not have $10,000 to pay a smuggler otherwise they would not be in a camp.

    However I can understand the motive. If i was living in a Mexican slum and getting my breakfast from a rubbish can i would try for a better life cleaning floors in California. But that is not what our humanitarian program is for. It is for people fleeing for their lives.

  154. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:35 am

    Abbott is indeed “muddled, obfuscative, disingenuous” about most things. That is the problem. Rudd is less muddled but equally disingenuous. His obfuscations are less obvious. He also looks like a normal human being. Points victory to Rudd. If his hubris doesn’t get the better of him he should win. He has probably learned a thing or two from his first term and will be a better PM for it.

    Abbott is incoherent. He is getting no traction because he doesn’t make sense. This, coupled with his remarkable ability to look like a shifty, stuttering rat every time he speaks, will see him safely and permanently away from the levers of power.

  155. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:40 am

    “He has probably learned a thing or two from his first term and will be a better PM for it. ”

    Thats like saying the second year of production of the P76 was a better car than the first year’s production.

    I’m a bit concerned about you Splatter……………….

    Did you get that garage door head injury of yours checked out fully ?

  156. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:44 am

    The only ones that benefited from Rudd’s stupid carbon price announcements yesterday (which since they require parliament approval will never be enacted anyway) are Motor Vehicle Log salesmen.

    And he’s probably turned 320,000 odd law abiding taxpayers who now will need to fill out a log into 320,000 liars.

  157. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:48 am

    Splatter is spot on, reads the situation perfectly.

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:49 am

    Sounds dodgy.

    Do we have a deal for you, ToSY!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Bob Carr is right.

    So you’ll be voting ALP, Kneel?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Is it just me, or does Andrew Bolt seem to be a little more shrill?

    It’s the Abbottpox©, ToM … its the miasma, can’t you smell it here too?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And before y’all pull out the “redneck” card.

    Certainly not, Wally, we know you’ve been unwell for the last couple of weeks now … apopolexy is simply another symptom of the Abbottpox© …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And they are most probably not refugees but economic immigrants.

    The assessment process under both the Howard and ALP governments accepted almost 94% of refugees …

    If people are economic refugees then they are deported … but people may flee from governmnets for many reasons … have a look at Wikileaks as a start … 🙂

    BTW, I came to Australia on a boat … what about you?

  159. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 10:53 am

    ‘BTW, I came to Australia on a boat … what about you?’

    Cast your mind back and you’ll see it was really a ship.

  160. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 11:00 am

    “… but people may flee from governmnets for many reasons … have a look at Wikileaks as a start …”

    Yeah……………………………………a Rape Charge is another reason

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2013 11:01 am

    “BTW, I came to Australia on a boat … what about you?

    Millions of people have come to this country because they wanted a better life for their family. We have programs for that. Our humanitarian program is for people fleeing persecution.

    Howards system was better than the current system.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 11:35 am

    Our humanitarian program is for people fleeing persecution.

    Absolutely … have you thought that there may be more terror in the world these days? the African continent is aflame … as Europe was in the 1930’s …

    Communism is being challenged wherever it still exists … along with other dictatorships …

    Aren’t we lucky we live in The Lucky Country … rather than The Mean Spirited Country …

  163. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 11:38 am

    “Aren’t we lucky we live in The Lucky Country …”

    Yes aren’t we.

    And part of that “Luck” is having a giant “moat” surrounding it.

  164. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 11:45 am

    There are a number of companies that recently made large investments (in power co-generation plants and the like) based on a carbon “price” of $24 per tonne and rising each year thereafter. How are they feeling today do ya reckon?

  165. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 11:47 am

    (Those companies were mostly members of the demonised group known as Big Puloodahs.)

  166. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 12:05 pm

    “How are they feeling today do ya reckon?”

    Someone has in fact asked them

    “………Electricity and mining companies warned that “schizophrenic” policy change was damaging Australia’s reputation among foreign investors. The Australian arm of the world’s largest utility company GDF Suez said the cuts would have a “material” impact on the business if they became law and that there had been no consultation about them.

    “This creates further uncertainty for investors in our business and the sector generally,” said group manager of corporate affairs Jim Kouts…………”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/why-kevin-rudd-will-never-terminate-carbon-tax/story-e6frg6xf-1226680449065

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 12:34 pm

    Gee, welcome to my fkn world … no-one consults me and I suffer from uncertainty every day with government interventions …

  168. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 12:35 pm

    Its comforting watching Butler and Albo put the boot into the Greens…. this is good for the party.

  169. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 12:57 pm

    Albo also stated this morning that the FBT changes would mainly affect just BMW owners. I s’pose it was like Brendan O’Connors guestimate that there are 10,000 457 Visa rorts.

    Both statements heavily reliant on actual facts as usual.

    Anyway it turns out that Toyota Australia are really very pissed off with the changes.

    But why I asked myself……………..as I for one had no idea that Toyota apparently made BMWs

  170. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 1:07 pm

    As utes and vans are exempt from the FBT changes I expect to shortly see Toyota release a Lux-Hilux for the Rudd “Working Family”

    Featuring

    *Sunroof
    *All leather seating
    *Built in GPS with detailed maps and information on Australian Holiday Hotspots
    *Fully Bluetooth enabled
    * Facebook App (for teenage daughter)
    *DVD player
    *Drinks bar (Rear passengers only)
    * Make-up mirror
    * 5 Speed and Auto
    * Alloy Wheels
    *Surfboard rack
    * Bicycle/BMX rack
    * Snow ski rack
    * Trail bike rack
    * Dog tether points ( suiting miniature “working breeds” like Shitzu,French Poodle and Maltese)
    * Multiple coffee cup holders
    * Towbar ( capable of pulling the usual standard caravan)

  171. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 1:08 pm

    It would certainly save on filling out a logbook and NO FBT at all would be payable which is even better than before the latest changes

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2013 1:20 pm

    Possibly Rudd & Bowen should have just announed the retrenchment of a few thousand more public servants.

    No one would bother to complain about that.

  173. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 1:57 pm

    ‘No one would bother to complain about that.’

    Unless you live in the ACT.

    Canberra’s median house price has been tumbling, but more indicative of impending disaster is the one third price drop on the NSW South Coast.

  174. July 17, 2013 2:21 pm

    “How are they feeling today do ya reckon?”

    Like they’re insulated against future schizo.

  175. July 17, 2013 2:25 pm

    Andrew Bolt, has been winding his shrillometer off the dial since John Winston Arsehat got dumped.

    Nothing new to see there.

    He is the goto rightwing clearing house de jour, for snacty & friends.

  176. IPAddress permalink
    July 17, 2013 2:55 pm

    “Like they’re insulated against future schizo.”

    Ask your CFO if they would have gone ahead with the project on an assumed carbon price of $6 instead of $24.

  177. July 17, 2013 3:11 pm

    It’s called future proofing, and it’s shrewd business…no matter what the carbon price is.

    Turbine is now commissioned.

    * stupid Victorians… 🙄 …I guess CFO is like how they say ‘castle’ wrong & stuff?

  178. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 3:40 pm

    “Karsul”

    Guffaw.

  179. July 17, 2013 3:55 pm

    “Kassel”…GUFFAW!

    “graff”…snigger

  180. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 4:09 pm

    “Charnce”

    Haw haw.

  181. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 4:17 pm

    I enjoyed the Neil/Davey bout at the Bolter, good sport when politicians get their ears boxed.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 4:27 pm

    Welcome to the World of the Robber Baron Liberal Party …

  183. July 17, 2013 4:29 pm

    “Jeff Kennet”

    * cackle

    “Eddy McGuire”

    * convulse

  184. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 4:44 pm

    Just a little reminder …..
    ‘It can often take a non-politician to speak a truth that, at a time like this, is to be more believed. And so it is when John Mendoza, Rudd’s former chairman of the National Advisory Council on Mental Health, reveals he quit his job in June 2010 – a week before Rudd was removed as prime minister – because of the former PM’s dysfunctional leadership. Mr Rudd’s style was erratic, unpredictable and chaotic, the distinguished professor says. “The Australian public is now starting to understand that he wasn’t knifed in the back. In fact he was removed for his own well-being, and for the government of the country to function,” Mendoza tells ABC radio. “This man is not fit [to be] prime minister”.’

    Kerry Anne Walsh, The Stalking of JG, p 201

    Alas Prof Mendoza I think you were wrong in suggesting that the public started to ‘understand that [KR] ‘wasn’t knifed in the back’. Poor Julia.

  185. July 17, 2013 4:53 pm

    “Charnce”

    That sounds like Penny Wong… 🙂

  186. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 4:55 pm

    Poor Kerry Anne Walsh. Whenshe began her book it was about a sitting prime minister, sure to be of some interest to the general public. By the time it was on the shelfves the subject of her tome was a footnote in history. Only severely rusted-on Gillard supporters would now by the book. My heart bleeds for them both. 🙄

  187. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    “That sounds like Penny Wong…”

    Exactly reb. That’s how the natives speak west of Murray Bridge. 😉

  188. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:00 pm

    *shelves

  189. July 17, 2013 5:00 pm

    Haha…& the rusted-on, former Ruddhating Gillardophiles are referring to that book all over the blogosphere, to reinforce their misguided convictions of the last couple of years.

    Pity, they’ve had to about face & get behind Kev, almost seamlessly. No sense of irony or introspection at all, apparently.

    They’re using the book like a gillard-wiki now. Tragic.

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:00 pm

    Born to Rule …
    Born to Steal …
    Born to Be Prime Minister … and Lie, Cheat and Deceive …

    It is opinions like the above comments that reaffirms my belief that Labor supporters follow a team not principle. You are really on shaky ground if you want to say Labor has more morals than the Coalition. Have you seen what has been going on with NSW Labor and the stuff coming out when Bob Carr was Premier??

    And I am not sure what your point is with your “Born to Steal” link. The guy mentioned was a Public Servant I think and not a member of any party.

    And if you want honesty in people leading the country what do you think of this comment??

    March 22, 2013: “Mr Rudd wishes to make 100 per cent clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including his own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which he will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:01 pm

    It can often take a non-politician to speak a truth …

    LOL!

    Mr Rudd’s style was erratic, unpredictable and chaotic, the distinguished professor says. “The Australian public is now starting to understand that he wasn’t knifed in the back. In fact he was removed for his own well-being, and for the government of the country to function,” Mendoza tells ABC radio. “This man is not fit [to be] prime minister”.’

    Very non-political … guffaw …

    And the title of Walsh’s book gives her away … and Walsh is a journo flogging copy …

  192. July 17, 2013 5:01 pm

    * Dianne, excluded.

    I didn’t realise IPA was setting a trap! 😯

  193. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:02 pm

    I say charnce, karsel and sorry toilet in my household you would be a lavatory.

  194. July 17, 2013 5:05 pm

    Jeez, Neil! 🙄

    You mute your own attacks by virtue of being, possibly, the most single minded, one sided political analyst I’ve ever had the amusing pleasure to encounter.

    Not that you’re always 100% wrong; you’re not. Just that your decided lack of balance, and unabashed willingness to make statements such as…”I’m not sure but, I think…”.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:06 pm

    It is opinions like the above comments …

    Facts lad, facts … not opinions … $4,500 a week to go to work! (A Minister)

    $650,000 for six months “work” three months of them paid leave! (Authorised by his boss a Minister)

    A man servant for the premier … even Joh Bjelke peterson didn’t go that far …

    FACTS, boy not opinions … you have been taking the “high ground” for far ttto long … I don’t care WHAT PARTY cheats lies and steals they should all go to jail …

    Tell me have you EVER voted?

  196. July 17, 2013 5:07 pm

    You speak properly, Dianne.

    Probably not an arsehat from Victoria, I’m guessing. 😉

    * Proud Not To Speak Like An American Defiler Of The English Language …ie…I speak English, not American…

  197. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:08 pm

    Ha ha IPA. Quite funny actually. I had many probs with Gillard but I recognize that she was treated appallingly.

  198. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:09 pm

    Thankyou Toilet. I am gratified.

  199. July 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    FWIW, I come from East of The Shithole Known As Murray Bridge (quite a few hundred km’s East, as it happens).

    * Proud Not To Come From a State The Size of A Postage Stamp

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    No bloody “r” in chance or dance and no “w” in ball or wall (Crow eaters were settled by South eastern Poms – first non-crims …

    … BUT they brought with them the southern “w” … eg bawl and wawl – as my father came from Sussex – and I spent the first four years of my life there – I can pick a CE a mile away)

  201. July 17, 2013 5:14 pm

    I agree that Gillard was targetted in a ‘unique’ fashion. Sadly, I also think that, by trying to too often make it about gender, she played into the hands of the cynical, dogwhistling arseholes.

  202. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:15 pm

    I am not a C E TB just pretentious.

  203. July 17, 2013 5:16 pm

    WTF, dense Queenslander?! are you pillorying me or agreeing with my superior enunciations? 😯

    I say ‘ball’ & ‘wall’ like everyone else in the English speaking world. Go back under your rock in Cornwall… 😆

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    I don’t care WHAT PARTY cheats lies and steals they should all go to jail

    You may believe that but i don’t believe you believe that. You only hunt around for Coalition rorting.

    Still not sure what your going on about the guy with the large salary. Most of these Public Servants are on contracts. hard to break a contract. You still have to pay them. I am sure i could find similar examples when Beattie/Bligh were in charge but you said nothing. In fact the article mentioned one. And the guy was under investigation. Just another problem left by Labor for Newman to fix.

    I will admit that his salary is immoral however. That is 10 years income for some people.

  205. July 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    * Proud To Be A Croweater- not overpopulated, like the Eastern Scumboard

  206. July 17, 2013 5:19 pm

    * I’m 3/4 German lineage. Not SE England

  207. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:21 pm

    Toiletpete I have formed my own view on the gender issue without ref to an oppressive Patriarchy. It is more subtle. However I will not bore/enrage you gentlemen by enlightening you.

  208. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:24 pm

    You have done well to be a Three-quarter Deutscher Toilet. Germans vie with the French as my very favourite people.

  209. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:26 pm

    “I speak English”

    Yes, but which English?

  210. July 17, 2013 5:27 pm

    I’m not enraged by such things, and I am polite, but not a gentleman, by conventional standards.

    I have gone through life treating people as humans, rather than focussing on their gender.

    I am no sexist.

    Having said that, I haven’t had to live as a female…but I do share my house with two of them; so I’m not totally ignorant to the imbalances in society.

    My Mum is one of the most competent, fair & honest people I know (well respected in the community as a GP). But so is my Dad (and he’s ” just ” a farmer).

    I think integrity isn’t gender specific…

  211. July 17, 2013 5:28 pm

    “Yes, but which English?”

    UnAmericanised English, of course…you stoopid Victorian.

  212. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:30 pm

    Konnen wir in deutsch sprechen Herr Waschraum? I agree with you about integrity.

  213. IPA permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:30 pm

    West of Bordertown, then.

  214. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:35 pm

    Btw I am not a sexist either Toilet. I have similar approach to life. I also recognize unfairness when I see it.

  215. July 17, 2013 5:37 pm

    Only just. 😉

    You can’t be too specific nowadays, what with the unhinged rockshifter threatening to visit & shit. I’d hate to have to throw it out on the pavement & accidentally kerbstomp it.

  216. July 17, 2013 5:38 pm

    * only just ‘west of boredomtown…

  217. July 17, 2013 5:44 pm

    Ich bin mit reinem Hass auf Menschen, die von einem Staat, der kleiner ist als viele Länder in Europa gekommen ist gefüllt …

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:47 pm

    Go back under your rock in Cornwall…

    tut tut … I said South EAST … (ie sex, Essex, Kent) … you probably don’t even realise you do it … 😛

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am sure i could find similar examples when Beattie/Bligh were in charge but you said nothing.

    And I DID … I called her Anna bLie for a reason! And I got stuck into Gordon Nuttal’s rorting at $9,999 a pop ’cause you had to declare a $10,000 “donation” …

    I pillory the lot of ’em … you don’t … that’s the problem …

    When did you first vote? have you ever voted?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Norman lineage … both sides apparently … but immediate parents Yorkshire and Sussex … North and South … so I’ve had two dialects and one English speaking accent in my short life … 🙂

    Can we speak German in the washroom? WTF?

    Funny, as you know my best friend is Teutonic … he and his wife (Pom) are boarding a Japanese exchange student in the next couple of weeks (their son is 15) … BUT they said to me … “don’t mention the war!” … and of course pissed ’emselves silly … what a fabulous world it is when you don’t get too serious …

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:49 pm

    Toillette,

    I am filled with pure hatred of people who came from a country that is smaller than many countries in Europe …

    Please explain translate (I don’t think Google got it right?)

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:50 pm

    😯 …. NO! Tell me its not so!

  221. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:51 pm

    Mrs Walrus made a good point this morning.

    She asked if Mr Rudd got back in and successfully imposed an ETS in 2014 or 2015 would that mean I, as a management and tax consultant, (accompanied by my loyal PA of course) would need to attend a few conferences meetings in Paris,Rome or Monte Carlo perhaps in order to update my knowledge of how the European ETS works and how the Australian ETS would be integrated?

    I replied perhaps it would be a good idea for my future income producing activities that she do some research.

    Of course such conferences would need to fall within say June to September.

    I must say she has thrown herself at the research with much gusto today

  222. July 17, 2013 5:56 pm

    It mistranslated ‘State’…It was meant to say “a smaller State”…and, as always, the hostility was tongue in cheek! 😉

    I reserve ‘pure hatred’ for things which deserve it (Victorians come close, but no cigar!).

    I probably forget, now & again, that I can be misconstrued as serious when my intention is the opposite. I like to think that, when I’m actually being serious, my words are clear enough as to be self evident. That’s the thing about words…you can say what you like, but how others interpret their meaning & intent is absolutely up to them (hat tip to my nigga, N5).

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:57 pm

    Of course such conferences would need to fall within say June to September.

    And you have a go at at poor old SFR’s … 🙄

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    July 17, 2013 5:59 pm

    I knew that, bro … LOL!

  225. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:00 pm

    “And you have a go at at poor old SFR’s …”

    Relevance ?????????????????????????????????

  226. July 17, 2013 6:01 pm

    What’s all this “bro” stuff…?

  227. July 17, 2013 6:03 pm

    * guffaw…

    It’s coz I’m backing Teh Maroonz, reb.

    It makes me an honoorary Queenzlander.

  228. July 17, 2013 6:04 pm

    Don’t be too hard on TeeBee, he’s an actual yorkeshirething.

  229. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:05 pm

    With Gallen out I’m tipping the Maroons as well.

    But certainly not “backing” them

    “Bring Back the Biff”

  230. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:09 pm

    “Don’t be too hard on TeeBee, he’s an actual yorkeshirething.”

    Well if one of Queensland’s star players Greg Inglis can be born in Kempsey NSW then TB could be born on the Planet Trog and be a Queenslander.

    In fact with all the gibberish he posts I’m not sure he’s quite “one of us” anyways

  231. July 17, 2013 6:13 pm

    “Well if one of Queensland’s star players Greg Inglis can be born in Kempsey NSW then TB could be born on the Planet Trog and be a Queenslande”

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  232. July 17, 2013 6:14 pm

    “anyways”

    If there’s one thing that shits me, it’s people who add a superfluous “s” to words that don’t need them…

    Since when did “anyway” become “anyways?”

    When did “all we need to do” become “alls we need to do??”

    and the one that shits me the most, since when did “he’s on holiday” become “he’s on holidays???!!!!”

  233. July 17, 2013 6:17 pm

    I don’t think I do that. 😯

  234. July 17, 2013 6:17 pm

    Seems like you don’t like our language being Americanised either, reb?

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:19 pm

    Hilarious!!

    Miglo proposes a blacklist among blogs!!

    Yes the bastion of free speech and blogging ethics (you know the guy who personally names contributors against the specific rules of his own sites), wants an alliance with places like TSP, to ensure they don’t have to put up with testing dissenting opinions!!

    He recommends – I’ve recently given consideration to us bloggers having a blacklist that we all share, ie, if a person is banned on one site then that person becomes automatically banned on all conforming sites.

    What an odd individual.

  236. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:22 pm

    I think it was Joe Hockey who called Kev a fake the other day……………..

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/kevin-rudd-copies-barack-obama8217s-absentee-note-for-student/story-fni0xqrc-1226680651337

  237. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:23 pm

    “anyways” ??????????????????????

    Who the F*** would say that ????????????????????

  238. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:25 pm

    “Miglo proposes a blacklist among blogs!! ”

    ROFLMAO

  239. July 17, 2013 6:29 pm

    “I’ve recently given consideration to us bloggers having a blacklist that we all share, ie, if a person is banned on one site then that person becomes automatically banned on all conforming sites.”

    Wow…

    Talk about Silencing Dissent…

    He’s not satisfied with banning people with different views to his own on his own web sites, he now wants to ban them from “the internet”…..

    That’s just extraordinary…. Maybe he’s losing his marbles..?

  240. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:34 pm

    Who the F*** would say that ???????

    The people who are always going off to LAY down. Infuriating.

  241. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:35 pm

    Conforming leftard blogs plan a blanket ban on trolls.

    So scaper must be a Judas goat or protected resident troll.

  242. July 17, 2013 6:43 pm

    Luckily for the interwebz…not every one of us is a drooling, lockstepping, affixed, beholden, partisan adherent whose paranoid worldview paints us into a corner whereby ‘They’ control the media & ‘We’ have no discernable shortcomings which can’t be slated home to ‘Them’.

    So convenient, if you can just excise intelligent dissent.

    * as opposed to plagiarised, barely lucid, disjointed, prompted, misunderstood talking points regurged by a rockshifting simpleton with airs of influence, desperately craving affirmation from anonymous strangers in the ether…

  243. July 17, 2013 6:44 pm

    “Conforming leftard blogs plan a blanket ban on trolls.”

    But they’re not “left-wing” blogs, they’re “Gillard-apologist” blogs.

    There is a difference.

    Thankfully Kevette is dragging Labor back to “the left” by refusing to buy-in to the demonisation of asylum seekers, a race that Gillard was only too happy to be a part of.

    Gillard Apologist blogs like TPS, AIMN and Cafe Whispers now find themselves in a delusional state.

    They hate Rudd, but can’t quite find where they now fit, in a post-Gillard, Rudd Labor Party…

    They’re fucked individuals really, particularly when they start talking about banning people across multiple web sites.

  244. July 17, 2013 6:45 pm

    “protected resident troll.”

    BINGO !

  245. July 17, 2013 6:46 pm

    “They’re fucked individuals really, “

    Actually that’s not quite correct…

    They’re a fucked “collective”

    I think that’s more accurate…

  246. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:47 pm

    That mysterious scaper gets you fellows going!

  247. July 17, 2013 6:50 pm

    He’s a nasty piece of work Dianne, best you steer clear of him…

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:53 pm

    They’re a fucked “collective”

    Group sex, you say?

  249. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:54 pm

    I will. I am a very meek person.

  250. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 6:55 pm

    Darling Harbour Theatrics

  251. July 17, 2013 7:04 pm

    He’s not mysterious, he’s a blunt instrument.

    No subtlety at all. Semi literate, full of easily cultivated anger & vague threats.

    A name dropping, but never substantiated ‘insider’. He forgets that anyone can pick up the phone & dial a MP. Just because they answer their phone & humour plebs doesn’t mean that the plebs are influentual.

  252. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 7:15 pm

    He has all the qualities of an officer in tabots green army, barracked somewhere in the northern regions.

  253. Dianne permalink
    July 17, 2013 7:31 pm

    Is he Malcolm Brough?

  254. egg permalink
    July 17, 2013 7:38 pm

    He hangs out with Ginas mob.

  255. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2013 7:45 pm

    protected resident troll

    Exactly, they need an obsessive arguer who mirrors their own lack of intelligence. There’s only so many ways to say – “I agree, Gillard is secure as the PM” and “It’s all a media beatup”, until an unintelligent foil is necessary.

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2013 9:33 am

    I can’t believe all the fuss about the changes to the FBT. All Rudd is doing is getting rid of a tax loophole. The ‘victims’ of the change will now pay the same tax rates as the rest of us.

    And this bit nearly made me cry:

    Selectus, which provides salary packaging and vehicle leasing services to more than 1200 Australian employers, said the changes would see at least 2000 jobs within its industry gone by the end of the month.

    Salary packagers are parasites who make money showing people how to find tax loopholes. They only exist because the tax law is complex. They are completely useless to the economy. They had no value at all. Part of that is the fault of the tax system itself. There are too many opportunities for arbitrage. The tax law needs to be simplified so that professional leeches like ‘salary packagers’ can actually put their talents to productive use.

    The fact is that the deficit needs to be addressed and this is a prime example of how to do it. There is much more to be done to end other tax rorts. The squealing hypocrisy with which this change has been met indicates that it will be a difficult task indeed.

  257. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 11:00 am

    “Salary packagers are parasites who make money showing people how to find tax loopholes. They only exist because the tax law is complex. They are completely useless to the economy. They had no value at all.”

    😦

  258. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 11:02 am

    😉

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 11:19 am

    “Salary packagers are parasites who make money showing people how to find tax loopholes.

    Said the same myself last night, sb …

    I reckon CPAs* fall into the same category 😉

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2013 11:30 am

    That was an economic opinion, Walrus, not a moral judgment! 😀

    But what the Selectus guy was saying is that if we close this loophole, people won’t pay him to show them how to get the most benefit out of it. I can’t believe that there are thousands of people employed to do just that! What a waste of human resources.

    First of all, it shouldn’t be that complex.

    Apart from that, why is it that people who can structure their salary can get a tax break? It doesn’t make sense.

    The whole idea of FBT was to ensure that people paid the same rate of tax on all of their income, including ‘benefits’. Yet the FBT legislation was designed with some loopholes which mean that if you fit into one of the lucky categories you can pay less tax.

    I would prefer to have a tax system without arbitrages and a lower overall rate of tax.

  261. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:03 pm

    One reason Rudd has done well voters is that he has largely abandoned Gillard’s strategy of personal abuse and character assassination. Instead he has focused on key issues. This has the benefit of exposing the incoherence of many of Abbott’s policy positions. The result has been devastating for the Coalition. The reason for this is that voters never bought the politics of hatred. In fact they detested that approach so much they were prepared to vote for Abbott. Now they do have a choice. They can see more clearly the shallowness of many opposition policies, and Rudd is attempting to address their main concerns.

    Rudd has a lot of defects as well, not the least of which are hubris and a tendency to make policy on the fly. This is an utterly fascinating time in politics. There is the possibility that Abbott will get his act together and actually start making sense. At the moment he can’t connect with people. He has no real message to sell and he has absolutely no ability to communicate whatever it is he wants us to understand.

  262. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:03 pm

    Rudd is running so hard that initially he was able to outsprint a lot of the issues. As reb’s link points out the changes to the ALP will not be agreed to at the next ALP National Conference. They will at least be watered down from 75% to two thirds.

    So Abbotts charge that Rudd might be knifed again will not be as potent but will still resonate.

    Then last week Rudd spent time in Indonesia with SBY and then this week in PNG discussing asylum seekers whilst Bob Carr helpfully projected 40,000 boat arrivals this year might reach 80,000 next year. And they will be largely Iranians who will not be accepted back in Iran. So after all that effort just last week another boat arrives and duly sinks. And all Rudd offers is a mealy mouthed “we need to adjust policy settings as required”

    Then the FBT changes and the effects it will have on many people earning around $71K p.a. with the Motor Industry screaming blue murder and the impossible task of converting a Carbon Tax to a European controlled ETS. Plus the Greens will never support it. Its not a “fix” as it wont get through Parliament

    Then this morning leaked estimates that there is going to be another $3B hole in the Budget this year.

    So what’s to be taxed without consultation next ?

    I see Superannuation coming into the cross-hairs after any ALP election.

    The LNP with more cash than the ALP are poised to unleash a barrage of advertising.

    I think the issues are finally starting to overwhelm Rudd and the gloss will slowly wear away.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:05 pm

    I’ve agreed with sb’s comments for two days in a row now, that must have been quite a knock on the noggin sb! [hope you have fully recovered]

    I say charnce, karsel and sorry toilet in my household you would be a lavatory.

    I come from SA too, and I say charnce, karsel, brarnch, plarnt, bathers not togs, film not fillum, pool not pewl.

    Like toiletboss, mine is german/prussian ancestry, I have relatives dotted around the riverina and barossa areas of SA.

    “…Most of the early German immigrants were extremely poor and therefore migration to South Australia was an improvement in both economic and religious matters. Although there were many exceptions, most Germans kept mainly to themselves and married their own kind, kept up their language, customs, such as the Liedertafel and skittle alley, religion and education system. Wherever they went they established their German schools…” [German Settlers in South Australia]

    I must come from what is commonly referred to these days as the shunned and feared “economic migrants”.

    I am almost afraid to know toilet’s surname as his family name could be known to me!
    I have elderly rellies with very good living memories of the ‘old days and ways’. My father said his grandparents did not speak english, his father served as an aussie soldier in two world wars and also worked where they interned the aliens/ POW’s at Loveday Camp near Barmera [where my dad was born].

    Of course, my ancestors were good people, hard working german pioneering stock, not your common exported english criminal boat people origins!

    A friend of mine says “alls I said was…” and a few other peculiar expressions, she grew up in cairns.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:20 pm

    I see Superannuation coming into the cross-hairs after any ALP election.

    Haha … Wally owns a Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Ball I see (and we know how “accurate” they are) …

    The LNP with more cash than the ALP are poised to unleash a barrage of advertising.

    Well the bits I’ve seen so far won’t work much … NO, NO, NO and NO again … doesn’t resonate with Australian voters anymore … negatives is, as negative does … nothing …

    I think the issues are finally starting to overwhelm Rudd and the gloss will slowly wear away.

    Well, I THINK that the issues are mounting up againts Abbott (’cause he doesn’t have answers, just a glossy brochure) … and Rudd will slowly wear Abbott away … 🙂

    A √ For Turnbull!

    And remember, Wally … QUEENSLANDERS are WINNERS! 😆

  265. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:22 pm

    “The LNP with more cash than the ALP are poised to unleash a barrage of advertising.”

    Given the LNP adverts I’ve seen lately the money will be mostly wasted and count for nothing.

    KL 😆 It is almost healed.

  266. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:23 pm

    “Wally owns a Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Ball I see (and we know how “accurate” they are) …”

    Ya dont need a crystal ball when the ALP backed down only a couple of months ago just because it was an election year

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:31 pm

    You’ve been misled on boat people: Here are the facts:

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/youve-been-misled-on-boat-people-here-are-the-facts-20130718-2q5rv.html#ixzz2ZMPToSgU

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:42 pm

    How Many Must Die For Us To Show Compassion?
    http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/18/how-many-must-die-us-show-compassion

    Carbon, The “Political Slaughterhouse”:
    http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/carbon-the-political-slaughterhouse/660/

    …Not so fast. We got the ETS through, but in doing so, the whole political conversation got stuck on two unexpected words – “carbon tax”…

    …The absurdity of the current debate is that Tony Abbott is today talking about a “floating tax” in an effort to label the entire market – not just the three-year fixed-price period – a tax. The logical extension of that argument is that we don’t have a share market, but a share market tax.

    This relentless rhetoric overwhelms reality. Politics needs a fix, which is why now Kevin Rudd is banking on removing the “non-floating tax”, the fixed-price period, as his solution.
    In the land of Reality, do we really have taxes called floating or non-floating taxes? Of course we don’t. The bullshit knows no bounds, and Australians are being played for fools.

  269. egg permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:48 pm

    ‘…while their refugee status is being determined, they should be released into the community on conditions that will ensure that they remain available for processing and (if necessary) removal. They should be allowed to work and live in dignity.’

    Nice sentiments, but not necessarily appreciated by the electorate. The huge costs he mentioned could be alleviated by building a single concentration camp in the desert… henceforth known as Crapperville Satellite City.

  270. July 18, 2013 12:48 pm

    “policy on the run”

    Otherwise known as consulting with experts and key stakeholders and then making decisions…..

    It’s what most CEOs do every single day.

    It’s just uncommon in the public service where the usual approach is “let’s form a committee then engage the best consultants that taxpayers’ money can buy, so that we can blame them if everything all goes pear shaped in the end…”

    Go Kevette!

  271. egg permalink
    July 18, 2013 12:54 pm

    ‘…and Australians are being played for fools.’

    Yeah, did I mention that CO2 doesn’t cause global warming?

    A tax on air is putrid folly.

  272. July 18, 2013 1:05 pm

    “You’ve been misled on boat people: Here are the facts:”

    That’s an excellent article KL…

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:06 pm

    Otherwise known as consulting with experts and key stakeholders and then making decisions…..

    as an audience member of Q & A said [to some applause],

    “why should they? since when does the govt consult the general public when changing taxes and introducing new policies?” [my paraphrase]

    Can’t people just have an ordinary occupation anymore – is motherhood becoming a national achievement by which all other females are measured?

    ie breeding woman flogging a fashion business!

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:09 pm

    The weakening of the dollar will have a far more beneficial impact on the local auto industry than a FBT adjustment.

    This change is the equivalent of- if you make a claim, provide a receipt.

    Kev is looking better by the day. Bowen is assured and competent.

    All Abbott, Hockey and Morrison can do is turn up the volume.

  275. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:15 pm

    “It’s just uncommon in the public service where the usual approach is “let’s form a committee then engage the best consultants that taxpayers’ money can buy, so that we can blame them if everything all goes pear shaped in the end…”

    EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And dont forget the larger the number of public servants involved in any final sign off means (if it is wrong) there is never one single person wholly to blame within the PS hence no consequences for a fuck up as far as they are concerned or any consequences are extremely diluted.

    And that’s exactly why I was in Canberra with 2 solicitors last weekend meeting with certain “highflyers”* from the Public Dis-Service. The committee is receiving external advice

    * Of the 5 we met 2 were wearing short sleeved business shirts and 1 had a suede jacket (I kid you not). The 3 of us Sydney lads speculated upon their dress sense at breakfast prior to the meeting and pissed ourselves laughing at dinner that night.

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:19 pm

    This change is the equivalent of- if you make a claim, provide a receipt.

    I don’t have a problem with that at all. I think that should apply to all public servants and private enterprise employees who have use of govt/business funds.
    IMO the way it is for lowly employees – pay for it yourself and then ask for reimbursement, showing proof, should be applied to all expenses. Why different rules for management/bosses and workers? All the rorting and paying back of wrongly claimed expenses shows these ‘trusted’ people are just common thieves.

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:22 pm

    I think you mean – ‘short sleeved polyester/cotton business shirts’

    Public servants, dressed exclusively by Kmart.

  278. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:24 pm

    Of the 5 we met 2 were wearing short sleeved business shirts and 1 had a suede jacket (I kid you not). The 3 of us Sydney lads speculated upon their dress sense at breakfast prior to the meeting and pissed ourselves laughing at dinner that night.

    I don’t get that comment.
    What you wear is a statement of your work performance, your station/status in life, your entire credibility as a person?

    steve jobs must have been a laughing stock, why did anyone listen to him!

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:28 pm

    The local auto industry is now about 15% more competitive than it was a couple of months ago.

    If middle managers and sponges now have to provide receipts etc to justify the tax treatment of their car…so?

    I’ve decided that I’m reasonably comfortable with providing a subsidy to the local MV manufacturing industry, but it isn’t necessary to provide a dodge people who lease/package any vehicle.

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:33 pm

    AO, wearing short sleeved business shirts is like combining walk shorts and long socks for work.

    It doesn’t look serious!

  281. July 18, 2013 1:34 pm

    “What you wear is a statement of your work performance, your station/status in life, your entire credibility as a person?”

    Absolutely…!

    But more than that, in a business environment, it’s an indication of one’s self respect and professionalism.

  282. July 18, 2013 1:36 pm

    “2 were wearing short sleeved business shirts”

    Unfknbelievable….

  283. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:44 pm

    “What you wear is a statement of your work performance, your station/status in life, your entire credibility as a person?”

    To a Taxation and Commercial Law meeting it is EVERYTHING.

    Steve Jobs was an “out there” designer artistic type……..Fuck he even wore turtlenecks…………he’s excused.

    Would you vote for your MP if he knocked on your door wearing a turtle neck with walk shorts and long socks ?

    That’s sooooooooooo creepy I’d be inclined to keep the kids locked inside the rear of the house.

    But I suppose its normal attire for Queenslanders

  284. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:46 pm

    And dont forget the suede jacket.

    We were gobsmacked !

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:56 pm

    They sound more like geeks/nerds than ‘suits’.

    But, who cares what they wear, if they are comfortable and secure in themselves, who is anyone else to judge? Time to throw convention and tradition out the window I say, let people be people without having to stick to and be defined by a ‘uniform’ as status symbol.

    “clothes maketh the man” is wrong. Plenty of criminals, thugs and sociopaths wearing business suits to give an air of decency. The nature of a person, their work ethic and credibility should not depend upon appearances or some imposed upon clothing rules.

    But more than that, in a business environment, it’s an indication of one’s self respect and professionalism.,

    It is an indication of conformity, of sheeple!

    Steve Jobs was an “out there” designer artistic type……..Fuck he even wore turtlenecks…………he’s excused.

    no, the same rules should apply to all you business sheeples!

    Are you saying that artistic, designer type people have no self respect, professionalism or serious business credentials?

    or, perhaps wealthy people are excused from all the ‘rules’?

  286. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 1:59 pm

    “………perhaps wealthy people are excused from all the ‘rules’?”

    What’s so troubling about that ?

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 2:02 pm

    sorry, I had to show the twitter pic, I couldn’t stop laughing at the creativity, the expressions captured!

    obviously more steve jobs than richard branson 😉

  288. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 2:06 pm

    Would you vote for your MP if he knocked on your door wearing a turtle neck with walk shorts and long socks ?

    I wouldn’t be answering the door.

    I would vote for him over an MP who flaunts himself in dicktogs and shows off a carpet chest!

  289. July 18, 2013 2:07 pm

    “It is an indication of conformity, of sheeple!

    Not really…

    Suits and ties are optional in my workplace, but I still wear one. I just like to look spiffy. 😉

    Besides, throwing on a shirt and tie is easy. It takes the decision-making out of wondering what to wear… If I had to figure a casual wardrobe every day I’d be flummoxed.

    I guess I’m like the Burqa advocates in that respect.. 😯

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 2:11 pm

    what about flouro vests and hard hats? Is that serious, self-respecting and professional attire for an MP?

  291. July 18, 2013 2:27 pm

    “I couldn’t stop laughing at the creativity, the expressions captured!

    I know..! I saw it on twitter earlier and a good laff! The pic of Scott Morrison is priceless!

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 18, 2013 2:30 pm

    In defence of the public service:

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/in-defence-of-the-public-service/

    …The Coalition don’t understand that public servants are human beings worthy of respect, just like every other Australian. To them, they are “faceless bureaucrats” pushing paper in a grey office in Canberra. Making life more difficult for “hard-working” Australians.

    They are not understood as people with families and mortgages. People with the same hopes and fears as everyone else. To them, they are the heartless purveyors of red-tape, looking to strangle small business.

    This is why The Daily Telegraph makes absurd claims about public servants with impunity. They call a public servant on $92,000 a year a bureaucratic ‘fat cat’, and in the next sentence describe a family earning $250,000 a year as ‘struggling’…

    …Lucky for the rest of us that those teachers and nurses, those aid workers and social workers, those customs workers and treasury officials go about their business quietly and competently no matter how much vitriol is directed at them.

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 3:06 pm

    Public servants, dressed exclusively by Kmart.

    Its generally amusing to read how you rich and “meaningful” folk continue to judge a book by its cover …

    … some young Dickhead™ did that to me a couple of months ago in The Good Guys (these days I see no reason to dress up to spend $2000 on a new drinks fridge – not that I ever have – but I compound it a bit without shaving every day too) … we walked over the road and were treated like customers at JB Hi Fi … and bought a fridge …

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 3:25 pm

    You can see the that the Abbottpox is becoming more viral each day … 😯

    Tony Abbott asks if Kevin kumback wants to “massage the boats” … 🙄

    Possible Prime Minister, my arse …

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-accuses-prime-minister-kevin-rudd-of-wanting-to-8216massage-the-boats8217/story-fnii5v6w-1226681233071

  295. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 3:39 pm

    “…..these days I see no reason to dress up to spend $2000 on a new drinks fridge….”

    “these days”……………!

    I bet you’ve been saying that for 40 years now

  296. July 18, 2013 3:46 pm

    😆

  297. egg permalink
    July 18, 2013 3:49 pm

    ‘I would vote for him over an MP who flaunts himself in dicktogs and shows off a carpet chest!’

    That is blatantly sexist and I’m shocked that you have the audacity to raise the issue.

    😉

  298. egg permalink
    July 18, 2013 5:19 pm

    Its perfectly natural behaviour, he did rise through the ranks of the KGB.

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 5:30 pm

    I bet you’ve been saying that for 40 years now

    LOL! I wish …

    … but I did have a couple of $600 tailor made suits I wore into meetings in town with clients … I used to say I had to wear the “uniform” … dark grey striped suit, white shirt and red tie … (shakes head …)

    Its only been seven years …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, all you rich travel heads … you remember that we are of to Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand early next year …

    What currency do you recommend?

  300. IPA permalink
    July 18, 2013 5:53 pm

    TB, I’m acquainted with someone who is acquainted with this dapper Yorkshireman (I know, it sounds odd doesn’t it, dapper and Yorkshireman in the same sentence? 😉 ).

  301. July 18, 2013 6:00 pm

    “What currency do you recommend?”

    This might be going out on a limb, but when travelling overseas I’ve often found that using “the local” currency is generally a sensible, and oddly enough, popular option. 😯

  302. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:02 pm

    “What currency do you recommend?”

    Firstly ya asking the wrong question. You should be asking 2 questions.

    Do I think the AUD will go up or down over the next (let me guess 9 months ?). Well who knows . But assuming you are risk averse how is it best to lock in a rate now.

    3 ways

    1) Travellers cheques.
    Downside: Nowhere to exchange these days.Too expensive and a shit rate on top of that.

    2) Hard Currency
    e.g. Thailand (use AUD,USD or Baht) or Cambodia (use USD very common or its own Riel) or Vietnam (use USD or Dong).
    Downside : How do you best keep it secure at home ?

    3) USD Bank Draft :

    Never heard of it ? ……………Many people haven’t.

    Just front up to the counter of your favoured bank and tell them you want a USD Bank draft lets say for USD5,000made out to TB. They’ll give you that day’s rate currently 92c (or thereabouts)They’ll charge you about $30 and hand you a bank cheque in USD with you as Payee. They’ll take the AUD cash out of your account then and there. Take it home and make a copy of it and put it in a drawer.

    As you are about to leave say 2 weeks before take it back to the same bank and ask them to get currency in to enable you to cash it in a weeks time. A week later you walk out of the bank with USD5,000 at todays rate. It wont matter if it goes down to 75c by then. You are safely locked in.

    Or

    Do nothing and just withdraw at spot rate in each country’s ATMs

  303. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:05 pm

    I’m going to Thailand in a few weeks, I’m taking a credit card.

  304. July 18, 2013 6:07 pm

    Walrus is right…

    You will need USD in Cambodia, although when buy something you’ll get your change in Riel.

    Thai Baht for Thailand and “Dong” in Vietnam..

    I tend to just exchange Aussie dollars when I’n in Vietnam and Thailand, oddly enough the hotels usually offer a pretty good exchange rate…

  305. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:07 pm

    And oddly enough don’t be at all surprised if when outside of the main cities in Cambodia and Vietnam some staff don’t know how to operate a merchant facility for a credit card (no EFTPOS in Vietnam or Cambodia when last there). Usually the staff get a more senior person to come over and work the facility.

  306. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:11 pm

    “……although when buy something you’ll get your change in Riel.”

    LOL

    I forgot that little “custom”.

  307. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:15 pm

    I hope Mrs TB is not a wine connoiseur……………………………….the wine in Vietnam and Cambodia is truly awful and imported stuff is very expensive for what we could buy it for.

    The beer is OK though. Though I cant remember the brand.

    When in Thailand I drink Leo

  308. July 18, 2013 6:16 pm

    TB

    If you’re planning to go to Siem Reap, which I imagine you are (you won’t be disappointed), I have some recommendations:

    1. Go early in the morning. There are literally thousands of tourists, so you will avoid most of the peak traffic if have an early start.

    2. Don’t go on a bus tour. Instead hire a car with a driver. It’s not expensive, and that way you can set your agenda. The driver will be experienced, and will probably have a recommended route. The best thing about having your own car is that you can leave one place whenever you want to and not according to the bus schedule.

    Angkor Wat despite being the most famous temple, is actually the least interesting, so it’s better to spend more time on the others like the Bayan temple and Jungle temple which are stunning.

  309. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:17 pm

    “………oddly enough the hotels usually offer a pretty good exchange rate…”

    Yeah………………another thing I’d forgotten.

    Mind you these days I often venture into the bathroom and ponder to myself

    “What did I come in here for again ?”

  310. July 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    “the wine in Vietnam and Cambodia is truly awful and imported stuff is very expensive for what we could buy it for.”

    Gawd, ain’t that the truth. I tried the local “red wine” in Vietnam (they drink it cold).

    I’m not even sure it was made from grapes.

    In a fit of desperation I did pay $100 for a bottle of Jacob’s Creek in a fancy French restaurant one time in Vietnam.

    I had a quiet chuckle when they “decanted” it. Jacob’s Creek. Decanted!

    The food was sensational though!

  311. July 18, 2013 6:24 pm

    At the risk of giving Walrus nightmares…

    This is the red wine in Vietnam.

    Yes, there is only one.

    http://temporarilylostdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/food-1-da-lat-red-wine.jpg?w=500&h=375

  312. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:24 pm

    “I tried the local “red wine” in Vietnam (they drink it cold). ”

    What was that shit called again……………Da Lat or something like that. Red and White versions.

    TB will probably quaff it down though.

  313. July 18, 2013 6:26 pm

    It’d be a “step up” for TB…!! 😆

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:28 pm

    (I know, it sounds odd doesn’t it, dapper and Yorkshireman in the same sentence?

    Not at all, lad … we Yorkshire born folk that grew up in the ’50’s can tell a weft from a weave (my Mum was a wefter int mill) and a worsted from a cavalry twill … my grandad also worked int mill … and he used to “educate” me with the cloth swatches the sales dept used … I still “feel” the cloth before I buy … 😉

  315. July 18, 2013 6:32 pm

    “I still “feel” the cloth before I buy …”

    What, to see how shiny it feels…? 😆

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:37 pm

    sreb and wally … I was going to say many thanks for the info … then I read your last comments … oh well …

    … cereally ta muchly …

    You actually confirmed my suspicion that USD is probably the way to go …

    We have taken the “easy” way and our trip is via APT (includes ALL local alcoholic drinks … that now sounds like “fun” … )

    The Minister tends to go for “sweet” bubbles … or, G&T or Baileys …

    What about local spirits … ?

    I know the beer tastes reasonably good from ex-army mates … and I prefer a white wine these days …

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    July 18, 2013 6:38 pm

    What, to see how shiny it feels…?

    Nah. only shiny bum office workers do that … BUT you can tell the quality of a cloth from its weave … (and raw material of course – wool and cotton are still the best IMO)

  318. egg permalink
    July 18, 2013 8:17 pm

    Latest betting odds…. ALP within striking distance.

    http://www.way2bet.com.au/news/article/punters-support-alp-into-shortest-odds-since-october

  319. That Arsehole Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 10:30 pm

    Egg

    Betting odds are not a guide to the future.

    It’s as reliable as the futures contract on BHP’s share price in 2 months.

    Punters drive odds. Not the gods

  320. That Arsehole Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 10:33 pm

    So based upon the FBT changes to get rid of a bit of a tax break for those earning less than 100k.

    You’ll all be quite ok with superannuation salary sacrificing being abolished too?

  321. That Arsehole Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2013 11:08 pm

    Another thing.

    Abolishing FBT arrangements for 300,000 people will never reduce your own taxes.

    The Canberra scum will piss it against the wall and still ask you for more.

    “Turkeys lining up to vote for Christmas”

  322. egg permalink
    July 19, 2013 7:41 am

    ‘Betting odds are not a guide to the future.’

    No, but clearly the punters have had a change of heart since May…. in line with the polls.

  323. egg permalink
    July 19, 2013 8:16 am

    ‘ASYLUM seekers trying to get to Australia could be stopped at the door and permanently resettled in developing countries under a secret deal being negotiated to ease the regional refugee crisis mounting on our shores.’

    Benson in the Daily Terror

    If Kev keeps this up he could win the election, its novel and brilliant.

  324. Peoplearesuckers permalink
    July 19, 2013 9:41 am

    I wonder how an urbane Iranian surgeon would feel about being settled permanently in PNG?

  325. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2013 9:54 am

    “Abolishing FBT arrangements for 300,000 people will never reduce your own taxes.”

    $1.5bn might go some small way to paying off national debt. We need more of this stuff. Otherwise tax rates will have to rise (in addition to spending cuts).

  326. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 19, 2013 10:03 am

    I’m sure the people of PNG could benefit from the services of a good surgeon. And the surgeon would be much safer there than in Iran. OTOH if it is all about urbane lifestyle then the normal migration rules should apply. Maybe a 457 visa? The PM’s office could do with a good surgeon to stitch the ALP back together again. At least the surgeon would be more use than McTernan and be more likely to actually warrant a s.457.

  327. Peoplearesuckers permalink
    July 19, 2013 10:06 am

    I agree SB that PNG would benefit. But if they would benefit why wouldn’t we? I am of the view that that people of courage, persistence and indicative are what an immigrant country needs.

  328. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 10:19 am

    “Otherwise tax rates will have to rise (in addition to spending cuts).”

    LOL

    But that’s exactly what this is. So should we also cut super concessions and get rid of all child care rebates etc. Plus Family Tax Benefits A & B.

    What makes FBT so different to those ?

    Wait………………I’ll tell you

    Its a misplaced conception fostered by Albasleazy that some pimply 20 something is riding around in his convertible BMW at your expense. That’s 5%

    When its actually more likely to be someone in medicine on a lower than average wage driving a Holden or Toyota because they are cheap to service

    And anyway rather than wiping a stack of jobs in one foul swoop they could have just raised the existing statutory rate in stages.

    But no………………….they basically said to all those people “well fuck you”.

  329. egg permalink
    July 19, 2013 10:36 am

    Diane, if they are genuine refugees fleeling death, then PNG would be a safe haven.

    If they are economic refugees, then they will have to make a choice between a rock and a hard place.

  330. egg permalink
    July 19, 2013 10:37 am

    …fleeing….

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2013 10:45 am

    Now the “hate media” is after Abbott, pushing pro Turnbull polling!!

    “Baseless speculation” or “a media beat up”? Or more likely that polls (and the media) actually publish stuff that reflects the orientation of the electorate.

    KEVIN Rudd would lose the election by a landslide if the Coalition’s Malcolm Turnbull was restored as Opposition Leader, a new poll has shown.
    Mr Turnbull, who was knifed by Tony Abbott in 2009, is twice as popular as Mr Rudd when it comes to preferred prime minister status and would put the Coalition in line to secure a majority government, according to a Seven Network/ReachTEL poll.
    Mr Turnbull outstripped Mr Rudd by 30 points in preferred PM status, 65 per cent to Mr Rudd’s 35 in the poll of 2000 respondents.
    The poll also showed the Opposition communications spokesman – known for his belief in climate change – would secure the Coalition a two party preferred vote of 58 per cent to Labor’s 42 per cent.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/kevin-rudd-would-lose-2013-federal-election-if-malcolm-turnbull-returned-to-his-old-job-finds-poll/story-fnho52ip-1226681766827#ixzz2ZRoTKYPW

  332. egg permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:23 am

    Honestly … if CO2 caused global warming then I would vote for him too.

    Talcum has been brainwashed and so he naturally gets support from others of like mind.

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:27 am

    And anyway rather than wiping a stack of jobs in one foul swoop they could have just raised the existing statutory rate in stages.

    It’s “one fell swoop”, BTW … but you do sound rather shrill about a very small tax change for a very small cohort that will improve the lot of the majority of us poorer tax payers …

    … methinks, thou art struggling with a personal impost … 😈

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Diane, if they are genuine refugees fleeling death, then PNG would be a safe haven.

    I’ve never lived in a refugee “state” … but I have lived in PNG and would suggest it would be leaping from the frypan into the fire …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Baseless speculation” or “a media beat up”?

    Yep, they can't have it both ways, ToM …

    Not sure it would be a landslide hope not anyway – I really hate landslides myself – Queensland has a diktat not a democracy at the moment … most people I talk to are looking forward to the next election … absolute power corrupts absolutely alright!

    I was not impressed with Malcolm last night on Lateline though … dodging a lot of bullets and a couple of triple backflips with a twist and a final double pike … Tony Jones "likes" him … they both came across as having a sceret slimy joke …

    3/10 for me … and no tick this morning …

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:32 am

    Anyway … Turnbull’s real problem is the right faction controls the party … pretty much like the left controlled the ALP …

    And its the people Turnbull would have to work with that might put the mokkers on his election as LOTO …

    Australian voters can be called dumb … but mostly they are idifferent to politics … they do and can get serious when it starts to get silly … as I think Noddy Newman’s Necromancers will find out … bLie was dumb but this lot are like the local Mafia …

  335. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:33 am

    “… methinks, thou art struggling with a personal impost …”

    LOL

    Not at all

    I do mine in a different manner.

  336. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:41 am

    “……….a very small tax change for a very small cohort”

    Upto 500,000 taxpayers is small ?????????????????????

    And how is an ETS controlled and subject to manipulation by Europe going to benefit you exactly ?

    Basically Europe would have succeeded in ridding itself of its competitive disadvantage in not having enough cheap energy sources ( but its clear advantage in population scale) by making us limit our abundance in cheap energy sources (which is our competitive advantage but which is not compensated by our population scale).

    We are truly fucking idiots………………… Or some of us are.*

    * Walruses excluded

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:46 am

    er, what sort of CPA* are you, Wally?

    Abolishing FBT arrangements for 300,000 people will never reduce your own taxes.

    and then …

    Upto 500,000 taxpayers is small ?????????????????????

    🙄

    And then you shift feet and rant on about the ETS … 🙄

  338. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:52 am

    The figures this morning in the Press are larger according to all the stakeholders

  339. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 11:54 am

    “And then you shift feet and rant on about the ETS …”

    No…………….you brought up the rubbish about the FBT change being for everyones benefit as it pays for the earlier ETS

  340. July 19, 2013 11:55 am

    popcorn.

  341. egg permalink
    July 19, 2013 12:14 pm

    ‘it would be leaping from the frypan into the fire …’

    Yeah, good strategy by the Ruddster.

  342. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 12:24 pm

    So thats 55 payroll tax returns finished so far today. Only 40 more to go

    That’s my world today

  343. Evil Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2013 12:55 pm

    ROFLMAO

    Thomson will not contest the facts in his case

    Where is Wixxxy now ?

    or that idiot TomR ?

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/craig-thomson-unlikely-to-dispute-using-union-credit-card-to-pay-for-prostitutes-court-hears/story-fnii5smt-1226681912881

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2013 1:06 pm

    I’ll fill in the gap while Tom R hangs out with dumb c**ts

    1. Baseless speculation
    2. Media beat up
    3. Kathy Jackson did it
    4. He’s made a comprehensive statement about all that
    5. He seems nice
    6. Look over there at that odd woman who used to be in the senate
    7. He has a baby!
    8. His wife has stood by him
    9. Kathy Jackson is a bitch
    10. Kathy Jackson is a bitch

  345. July 19, 2013 1:08 pm

    ROFLMAO

    That deserves its own post!

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    July 19, 2013 2:46 pm

    So thats 55 payroll tax returns finished so far today. Only 40 more to go

    That’s my world today

    Awwwww …. (how much a pop?) 🙂

    Where is Wixxxy now ?

    or that idiot TomR ?

    I thought you had tax returns to do? 🙄

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