Coalition Ramps Up Hysterical Rhetoric Over Asylum Seekers with Radical New Military Plan!
The Coalition has revealed a radical new plan to “protect Australia’s borders” from the trickle of boat people that seek asylum here that involves “going to war with people smugglers.”
Following hysterical claims that the federal government had “lost control” of Australia’s borders, and just days after the release of the government’s new PNG policy, Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and immigration spokesman Scott Morrison have sought to escalate tensions with Indonesia announcing tough new measures that involve Australia’s military defence forces.
OPERATION SOVEREIGN BORDERS!
The so-called “initiative,” dubbed Operation Sovereign Borders involves “throwing everything we have” to prevent asylum seekers from seeking asylum in Australia according to Scott Morrison.
‘When I say we need to go to war on people smugglers, this is about using the discipline and focus that accompanies military operations to make sure we throw everything we have at this problem. We do it in a co-ordinated way and can respond quickly and decisively to whatever comes back at us,’ he said.
IT’S A NATIONAL EMERGENCY SAYS TONY ABBOTT!
”The crisis on our borders has become a national emergency,” Mr Abbott told The Gutter Trash.
The announcement follows accusations that Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop lied about discussions she had with Indonesian MPs.
Tony Abbott vows to Personally Shoot Asylum Seekers
COALITION ALL AT SEA OVER ASYLUM SEEKERS
The Coalition has also fallen foul with the Prime Minister of PNG over its hysterical rhetoric of asylum seekers and the arrangements the Australian government have in place with PNG.
PNG Prime Minister Peter O’Neill has launched a scathing attack on Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, accusing him of spreading ”nonsense” and ”completely untrue” claims over foreign aid linked to the asylum seeker deal.
In an escalation of comments made via the PNG High Commission in Canberra on Wednesday, Mr O’Neill accused the opposition of misrepresenting him for political reasons.
The diplomatic row came after Mr Abbott went on the attack over foreign aid flowing to PNG, accusing Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of subcontracting out the nation’s aid program to PNG as part of the asylum seeker processing deal and questioning whether this ”free gift” would be spent accountably and prudently.
Mr O’Neill said he was unimpressed by Abbott’s remarks.
ABBOTT’S REMARKS “COMPLETELY UNTRUE”
”I don’t particularly appreciate being misrepresented by others for their own political interests,” he said.
”I am disappointed with some of the debates put forward by some of the leaders in the opposition in Australia, in particular statements that I am alleged to have made to them which are completely untrue.”
Julie Bishop earlier declared that “Kevin Rudd had agreed to hand over ‘absolute and total control” over the $500 million aid budget to PNG.
During the same media conference Mr Abbott said it was wrong to hand over Australian taxpayers’ money ”as a simple cash grant with no accountability”.
theguttertrash.com 
My mate just said he thinks that Rudd has turned the Queen Mary around in the Yarra 🙂
The more the floposition panics, the more is revealed of their fakery…shows over for phoney tony.
General David Hurley on Twitter…
General David Hurley @DavidHurley_CDF 8m
Contrary to media reporting I have not provided advice or recommendations to the Coalition on asylum seeker issues.
Abbott might still pull a rabbit out of the hat. Has the election date been confirmed?
Ahhh, the good ol’ “Jack Boots” approach. Yeah, that should fix it.
Why don’t they get the CIA to declare there’s weapons of mass destruction hidden near the boat departure points? A few weeks of blanket bombing should soon sort it out.
Shriller and shriller … LOL!
What we need now is another dinky little vidad on asylum seekers like the economy example on the “Labor’s Radical New Election Strategy!” thread …
Even PNG PM O’Neil says Abbott misrepresenting & misleading Australia on asylum seekers…
Let’s add that to the list of other Coalition lies on the economy, on debt, on climate change & so the list goes on and on and on…
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Hooray! A War!
With guns and planes and submarines and fighter pilots who look like Tom Cruise, and tanks too!!!
LET’S BLOW SOME SHIT UP!
It really is fkn frightening shite, hey?
It would be funny if it wasn’t so fkn stupid!
It’s like watching a debate between high school academic achievers and the kindergarten kids … (let’s make some mud pies and frow ’em! 😯 )
Life imitates art.
And these NO Coalition, Howard leftover morons are presenting themselves as the next government of this country? The real idiots will be us if we vote them in!!
“Weaned on Cat Piss; My struggle against reality – The Julie Bishop story’ by ace reporter Miranda Divine.”
ROFLMAO! 😆
Paul B via Reb – yes some of us must be mad. Very.
Not mad, just mean and nasty.
Morrison’s Militia…
http://www.news.com.au/opinion/the-boat-debate-shifts-to-a-war-footing/story-fnh4jt54-1226684867587
Morrisons Militia..lol cats Piss ROFL Abbott pull a rabbit out of the hat… More chance of pulling a hair out of his ass. This bunch of cretins just keep getting better and better… whats next? Pyne comes out of the closet on Gloria’s radio show in a velvet chaff bag? Morrison’s cult caught sacrificing refugee babies on the hacking? Abbots seminary confessions of his man love for Pell? Or movie reviews from the cultural candidate for minister for the arts Brandis…you just cant make this shit up..these weird scared guys are calling the government incompetent? two words.. Sophie Mirrabella 🙄
[tim dunlop] The only border security we have left:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-25/dunlop-the-only-border-security-we-have-left/4843500
Thanks for the link Armchair. Btw are you chintz with scatter cushions or streamlined and spare TriBeCa loft style? Back to the topic. The penny has only dropped for me recently – being slow on the uptake unlike the intellectuals at this place – that globalization will require free movement of people so I was delighted to read Tim Dunlop on the subject. If we are all freed up to move about I am not sticking around here. I shall be off to France, anywhere there will do, or Berlin. I will not march about saluting in Abbottestan. If he has achieved anything today he has made the PNG ‘solution’ look benign.
Six months in a leaky boat…
Six months in a leaky vote….
Tony Abbott – “seen as the last vestige of the “old” nasty and negative politics of the minority government era.”
http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/net_negatives_of_abbott_electability_ZHxu4LpvEfBcj5hShwukrJ
Interesting article by Tingle, sreb … but I think we have been saying pretty similar things (without the “authority” of Cameron or Laura) for a long time now …
Btw are you chintz with scatter cushions or streamlined and spare TriBeCa loft style?
I’m a clutterer who longs for streamlined and spare. Don’y like chintz or flowery stuff, I like bright, warm, comfy and cheery. I keep saying that I’m going to get rid of all the junk in this house [parents + adult kids who come and go and leave junk behind] in this house and live very spare like in a hotel room! I seem to collect material. I have always planned to make a labour-of-love patchwork quilt for each of my three kids, but I seem to just collect lots of fabric…one day I’ll start!
I am a clutterer although my thought patterns, as all here will have noticed, are streamlined and spare. Sometimes I yearn for Scandanavian good taste. But alas! Where would I put all my stuff? I like colour too. My house is like a box of licorice all sorts without the lickrish. I have made the quilts you dream of. We sound very alike Armchair.
Armchair maybe we could subvert this blog and turn it into a sewing circle? Egg already has me pegged as a fifth columnist.
At least a fifth columnist is not gender specific.
Eggs generally are.
I am a clutterer although my thought patterns, as all here will have noticed,
My clutter is organised clutter. I know where everything is and where to lay my hands on it
Armchair maybe we could subvert this blog and turn it into a sewing circle?
Heaven forbid, they get brutally sarcastic about anyone who posts recipes, writes poems and stuff over at ‘teh cafe’ I wouldn’t even venture into quiltmaking here!
Of course wine/beer/spirits tasting/buying/drinking, mansports and maninterests are all fine to rave about.
That just isn’t true AO, and here’s the proof!!
http://www.crochetatplay.com/
Ah the pineapple lace sunhat would make a desirable Christmas gift for TB.
Agree Armchair. The male is only interested in self promotion.
Not this one.
No need to promote self, on the internet or otherwise.
I might have been as pointedly sarcastic as I intended 🙂
I found these tips very interesting.
Now everyone’s an expert [except me]!
tomM, knitting and crochet are two skills that I have never been able to acquire, let alone master, are you saying you can teach me?
I tried to knit a newborn outfit for my great-nephew [I said he can just call me great for short], he just turned 2 and I have only the cast on row of stitches on the needles, I can’t ‘get it’ and feel a knitting failure!
I don’t think lamenting my occasional drunkeness is self promotional. Quite the opposite, in fact. 😉
I don’t think lamenting my occasional drunkeness is self promotional. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Oh, you’re so self effacing and humble toiletboss. I think of you as a handsome man mountain, surf god, adventurer, intellectual and humanitarian – where did I get that from 😆
I do too Peterp
Ah the pineapple lace sunhat would make a desirable Christmas gift for TB.
Don’t you bloody start!
Speaking of tatting …
I made a twit of myself quite early when we lived in PNG … The Minister decided to take up tapestry … I was waiting for her when an acquaintance said hello and what was I doing …
I told him and said “I hear even some girly fellas are taking up tapestry too? Hahah” … “Yes he said … I’m one of them” and joined The Minister in the shop!
Little did I know that most of the tapestry comps ( 😯 ) in Port Moresby were won by the blokes!
wonderful story tb.
mmm … missed the thread 😯 🙄 I think!
Do Tony Abbott and/or his backroom advisors ever have an original idea?
When Rudd visited Queensland guess where the drover’s dog was? Right behind …
Now Rudd is in Taswegia … guess where the dog is? Not just the same state … the same fkn town!!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/tony-abbott-in-tasmania-to-win-votes-before-federal-election/story-fni0cx4q-1226686433533
“During the same media conference Mr Abbott said it was wrong to hand over Australian taxpayers’ money ”as a simple cash grant with no accountability”.”
Yet we insist on someone driving a 30 thousand dollar car filling out a log book. But handing over 500 million is ok
Yeah ok
I’m with Walrus on this. That lot up there can’t run a raffle, so keeping in mind that corruption is rife, law and order all but broken down, surely mighty kev can see its a bit dodgy.
Oh wait … the election looms large and he needs a quick fix.
“Mr Abbott said”
There is your first error – accepting anything Mr Abbott says as being factual.
I sure did TB. Often do being a trusting soul. Mind you those mudmen of the Highlands are more creative than the average Queenslander in their choice of tropical wear. It would not surprise me if they were tapestry champs as well. I think they must model themselves on the Bird of Paradise whose plumage they plunder. Like the birds, I imagine Mrs Mudman is a dowdy specimen by comparison with her magnificent hubby. The male is a show pony. If I could do links I would post the most exquisite film of Birds of Paradise in full glory.
PS before the handcrafts section is shut down due to user complaints I will direct all the knitters here to one of my fav books.
The title is :
Knitting with Dog Hair
By Kendall Crolius and Anne Montgomery
Publisher is Hutchinson
Inside you will find instructions on harvesting, spinning and yarn prep.
Here are excellent patterns using two-ply Golden Retriever and Great Pyrenees for example.
There is also a delightful little pill box and matching scarf using cat hair. Excellent for asthmatics.
Does, sreb, have a sister??? 😕
A font of useful information.
A font of useful information
and worth repeating the fact!
Hey Tom,
Have you been to the La Manna supermarket in Essendon..?
I’m here at the moment and they have your Jaraman Shiraz on sale at $23 a bottle…
Let’s add that to the list of other Coalition lies on the economy, on debt, on climate change & so the list goes on and on and on…
Tony Abbott’s latest 15 lies:
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-latest-15-lies/
He treats us with the scorn many of us deserve Armchair.
Jaraman is a very good wine at the price. Lulu likes it because it is a little lighter. I’m well stocked with it at the moment.
Tonight I’m off to a nearby restaurant, known for the heartiness of the servings rather than the haute cuisine. Big reds required.
Gay Nooze
‘NSW could become the first Australian state to legalise same-sex marriage after an inquiry on Friday paved the way for fresh legislation that is supported by MPs across the political spectrum.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-set-to-back-samesex-marriage-20130726-2qq3n.html#ixzz2aDEd5OEq
He treats us with the scorn many of us deserve Armchair.
sad, but true.
…The Tories have always thrilled to the military solution: the march to the sound of the guns, the bark of orders, the flash of gold braid. The flim flam goes on. Having demonised asylum seekers as illegal queue-jumpers for so long, Abbott and the frightful Morrison have switched to shedding crocodile tears for their deaths at sea. The hypocrisy is disgusting…
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-did-we-contain-our-excitement-20130726-2qpan.html#ixzz2aDCIx7zG
“He treats us with the scorn many of us deserve Armchair.”
I thought you were talking about Wayne Swan for a moment. He was the one back in 2007 trying to scare people with the inflation dragon that Costello had allegedly unleashed. The economic numbers back in 2007 were the best for a generation. A whole group of people had grown up not knowing what unemployment at 4% looked like until Howard/Costello came along.
Still didn’t stop people voting for a change in government.
I had no idea how much Mike Carlton and I were in lockstep in all three of the subjects he broaches in that article, KL! Ta for the link …
A whole group of people had grown up not knowing what unemployment at 4% looked like until Howard/Costello came along.
… and used a new set of rules and luckily the mining boom was in full swing and the GFC was around the corner … the “financial tsunami” that Tip Custard missed coming …
BUT we are discussing ABBOTT’s LIES NOW … do keep up, Kneel …
I agree with everything you say Armchair except I would insert the Ruddester in there also. It is v disheartening. Howard set the template with Tampa and the Pacific Solution. Tampa saved him because people were receptive to his fear mongering post 9/11. How Orwellian to maintain that fear! What would our politicians, particularly the Opposition do without it now? The ALP tried to shed the burden of feeding the monster but the media and Opposition would have none of it. So now both keep coming up with the same failed solutions in bigger packages with shiny ribbons and helium balloons. PNG? Immoral and a dud. An American style 3 star general with TA barking the orders. Sinister and a dud. The media will ask no questions. They love a drum roll.
Tom, I am with Lulu. I am married to someone who loves those bare knuckle reds, the ones that stain your lips purple. I put up with that until I found solace and contentment with a beaker of sparkling water. Hungarian tonight is it?
” and used a new set of rules”
Really?? What new rules are you talking about?? Or are you making stuff up again.?
Besides Abbott has a truly awful kitchen. Remember how they mocked JG for her sterile kitchen and empty fruit bowl. While I shall level the same complaint about the Abbotts’ kitchen. White and blond. No coloured cauldrons to delight the eye. No huddle of charming containers. No fruit bowl, empty or otherwise. The family were photographed in it. It did not seem like the heart of the home. No appeal at all. Could have been a dentist’s surgery.
Thanks for Mike Carlton link Armchair. Thought they were your words. I couldn’t get past paywall earlier to read that one.
“the “financial tsunami” that Tip Custard missed coming …”
Do you have any evidence for that statement??
But why pick on Costello unless you are a dishonest human being??
Why not mentioned Wayne Swan and Kevin Rudd who right before the GFC hit were preparing a budget to attack the inflation dragon/genie or whatever Swan called it right before the GFC hit. That is right. The MAY 2008 budget was being prepared to fight inflation not the GFC which the WHOLE Labor Party and Treasury did not see coming.
Hey, but lets go back and blame someone who was not even in power.
Tony Abbott’s latest 15 lies…
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-latest-15-lies/
Oh, I see Kittylitter already posted it… Oops..
…While I shall level the same complaint about the Abbotts’ kitchen. White and blond. No coloured cauldrons to delight the eye. No huddle of charming containers. No fruit bowl, empty or otherwise. The family were photographed in it. It did not seem like the heart of the home. No appeal at all. Could have been a dentist’s surgery…
You’ve noticed too dianne. I saw a photo of them in their kitchen and there was a fruit bowl full of lemons and one lime – no comments about that sour note. I thought their kitchen seemed quite homely, modern and perhaps stylishly designed in the latest trend of kitchen colours [B & W], obviously a busy family of working mum and adult girls at home, saw some things I would do like have a dishwasher hanging over a cupboard door [mine is hanging over the tap] appliances close to hand and ?meat for dinner thawing on bench in background. They live in a great location + pool in a wealthy suburb, no ordinary suburban lifestyle for them, as much as tony makes out he is ordinary and ‘mr everyman’ to the voters. I thought their kitchen looked well lived in, but not by tony who wouldn’t be there often, he looks out of place to me. By contrast, JG’s kitchen suited her simple cottage type home and her lifestyle of an older couple without children, who have very little time at home. Gillard also looked out of place for the same reason as tony abbott, she’s never home and it shows in the lack of any ‘personal touches’. The opposition were all screaming about this but they live the same politician lifestyle themselves and would not contribute meaningfully in their own homes, a very hypocritical male attitude, it’s their wives and family, not them, who are at home living the domestic life. Not a word in the media about their judgemental and sexist hypocrisy.
Gillard does live proudly in the ‘burbs, I don’t think she has extravagant or expensive tastes [it’s not a crime to be of humble tastes and origins], she is likely with her own mother as often as she can be and possibly contributing to her welfare as well [parents both had low paid jobs, father worked in nursing].
There was a great article by chloe hooper of ‘tall man’ authorship yesterday in the monthly [unlocked for 24 hrs] did you catch it? It is called “On the road with Julia Gillard: Sketches of a prime minister in her final months”, it might still be available.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/in-the-kitchen-with-margie-where-being-the-alpha-male-counts-for-nothing/story-fn7q4q9f-1226081908401
When we had the tony ‘gets wimmins’ saturation coverage of the family courtesy of newsltd, notice how mrs abbott is often in white, like she’s a madonna or in virginal state [that catholic image of women again].
I am always intrigued by what I think is a striking resemblance between abbott and his wife [picture abbott with hair] as if the totally-indulged-and-privileged-all-his-life narcissist was most attracted to a female version of himself!
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/margie-abbott-i-know-him-best-and-its-not-true/story-fncynjr2-1226488436097
linkee:
ON THE ROAD WITH JULIA GILLARD: Sketches of a prime minister in her final months
http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/august/1375315200/chloe-hooper/road-julia-gillard
If you people are interested in politicians telling lies here is a statement from your Lord and Master from march this year.
“Mr Rudd has said consistently over the last 12 months that he would not challenge for the Labor leadership and that he would contest the next election as a local member of Parliament at the next election. That position has not changed.
Furthermore, Mr Rudd wishes to make 100 per cent clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including his own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which he will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future.”
Realpolitik….
Rudd’s hero is Deng Xiaoping, who survived being purged twice during the Cultural Revolution.
Rudd apologised for those comments nils, he had greatness thrust upon him and for the sake of the party he had little choice.
“Rudd apologised for those comments nils, he had greatness thrust upon him and for the sake of the party he had little choice.”
That is funny egg. Perhaps you should try more comedy.
Personally i am more anti-Labor than pro Coalition. If Howard had made a statement like that, Labor supporters would never let him forget it. But with their own they are more forgiving.
Labor followers support a team rather than principle. That is why I never believe anything they say. Coalition supporters are more likely to more careful in their judgements. But following a team is human nature. But Labor followers are in love with the Labor party. My side right or wrong. Furthermore they tell lies to support their beliefs.
😯
Hi Toilet
Love your comment.
By the way this is what Julia said about Rudds statement that he would never challenge for the leadership. Little did she know!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-22/rudd-says-he-will-never-be-leader-again/4588644
“I’ve seen the media reports of the statement and I think it reflects the reality,” she said.
“This issue is over and done with. I was very clear about that yesterday and let me be very clear again today. This issue has been resolved for all time and I think Kevin’s statement reflects that.”
What a treat. Thankyou so much Armchair. I will certainly read the Monthly article you have gathered for me.
. I agree too that Margie and Tony look alike. Spare and angular. I have noticed that some couples, particularly older people, come to resemble one another, even more so if they are both wearing hand knits.
We must have seen the same pic. Funny how my memory blotted out the bowl of lemons and one lime – tasteful – and the meat thawing. It wasn’t my sort of kitchen. Mine is the kind where you have to check the butter for any imprint of a tabby’s rasping little tongue and one where a border collie would be trying to hook a paw around the defrosting meat.
Our politicians are just so white bread and conventional. Sterile kitchens and blue-grey ties speak volumes.
Just saw an Australian govt add and it mentioned this website
http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/humanitarian/novisa/
“If you come here by boat without a visa you won’t be settled in Australia.
Australia’s migration policy has changed. From 19 July 2013 if you travel to Australia by boat with no visa, you will not be settled here. You will be sent to Papua New Guinea for processing. If found to be a refugee, you’ll be settled in Papua New Guinea, or another participating regional state, not Australia. This includes women and children. These changes have been introduced to stop people smugglers and stop further loss of life at sea.”
Truly, ALP followers support a team not principle. If this was a Howard govt policy “The Left” would be going bonkers
Not Hungarian Dianne, just French that was established 30 years ago and hasn’t redecorated!
Unlike the gang of ALP sycophants Neil, I haven’t noticed anyone here actually applauding this policy.
Best kind of French, Tom.
Armchair, the Monthly teased me well with the Chloe Hoopper article on JG. I will head out and buy the mag today. Even the 12 or so paras provided positively pulsate (say quickly four times) with the nastiness Gillard faced everyday. I remain shocked by it.
“Even the 12 or so paras provided positively pulsate (say quickly four times) with the nastiness Gillard faced everyday”
You haven’t seen nothing yet. If Abbott wins the election watch the nastiness. Labor supporters are the nastiest people i have ever seen. It will be personal abuse from the word go. Lies, deceit, mocking Abbotts family. The works. Beats me why anyone would want to go into politics.
Yes Neil hate seems to have permeated our politics. Politicians have played a major role in stirring it up. They don’t seem to know any other way of differentiating their product except by belittling their opponents. The media love it. Colour and movement deliver hits on-line. I don’t know why anyone goes into politics either. I suspect a lot of it is great fun. War without the bullets. But young Neil what I find difficult to understand is why you are so colour blind when it comes to politics.
I was amazed at the hate shown to John Howard when i first arrived on Dunlops blog back in 2007. I then found that nobody hates like “The Left”
Labor and Coalition supporters are completely different people.
Hopefully
Labor supporters are not only hateful but dishonest as well.
One of the first things they told me on Dunlops blog was that John Howard manipulated the way the unemployment rate was measured to make his govt look better. If you work one hour/week you are considered employed. Labor supporters told me Howard introduced this new rule to make unemployment figures look lower. under his govt.
Turns out that working one hour/week is an international standard used by all OECD countries so we can compare unemployment rates between countries.
Liars the lot of them.
‘That is funny egg. Perhaps you should try more comedy.’
I’m a practicing satirist (global cooling meme) but I reckon ‘The Howard Years’ is also pretty good. Its a refreshing style and unique.
Are you a satirist too Neil? I am a sucker.
No, i tell the truth. Does it bother you??
I’ve just watched Bolt interview Rudd.
1. Bolt proves he is a tool and a c**t
2. Rudd is smart and articulate
3. Bolt gets shrill if he can’t get his own way
I think Bolt is in a panic, he’s following Abbott down the gurgler. Bolt is obviously finding his lack of influence annoying.
Agree but he would be in a worse position if TA won. Who would he shrill at?
“2. Rudd is smart and articulate”
Maybe so but is that what we want in a leader?? Leaders need to be able to solve problems and Rudd was such a failure his own party got rid of him. Why would second time around be any different?
I don’t think Bolt is a good interviewer. he is getting better but he is primarily a Journalist. He left Insiders because he wanted his own show. He is one of the few Conservative presenters on TV.
Neil, I would prefer a leader that is smart and articulate, to one who is dumb and inarticulate.
Rudd isn’t the perfect leader or politician, but he isn’t an adventurist. I think Abbott is, and adventurism isn’t a political characteristic that I support.
Neil couldn’t tell the truth if he tried, he is a permanently rusted-on who is paid by his controllers at Lib HQ to spread pro liberal and anti labor propaganda . He’s so rusted on that he wouldn’t even know what the truth is, he’s never gone looking for it. No need to even answer him, robot-neil will just go on to the next anti-labor talking point on his list, truth simply does not compute.
neil is an accomplished and unashamed frequent liar, lucky he is also a fraidy pantzwetter, he needs it to put out the fires.
I think Neil is a good contributor.
Bolt is no journalist.
He is the Bill oreilly of Australian rightwing loon currying.
Polemicists like Bolt are always in fierce opposition. Easy to follow if you share their views. Tedious if you don’t.
Reb is godly.
Neil you express your own version of The Truth. It puzzles me but I am untroubled.
“neil is an accomplished and unashamed frequent liar,”
Do you have any examples of me telling lies??
I like Bolt. He has his problems but he saved my sanity. My first post was on Dunlops blog and I found myself amongst people I had nothing in common with. I though the world had gone mad. And then in Christmas 2007 i found Bolts blog and found people who I agree with.
Pantswetting rightwing loons.
Snacty is being cheeky?
Such a leftist comment Toilet. First thing you do is denigrate anyone who disagrees with you. You can tell a Labor supporter because he believes he is more moral than anyone else.
Yep. Just as I said Neil.
Do you have any examples of me telling lies??
I’d have more trouble finding an example of you telling the truth.
Opinion is not fact nor is “if I believe it then it must be true” you fool yourself, but who cares, whatever gets you through the night [and day]!
Just one example would be fine Kittylitter since you made the accusation. You must have lots of examples for you to make a comment like that??
Except I’m not a Labor supporter, Neil. Duuuh.
If you wanna see abuse & mindless, myopic denigration, look no further than the comments section of Bolt’s blog.
Just watched the Rudd/Bolt bout and the PM is an ignorant fkn tool of the Klimatariat. Although its fair to say his minders did a good job… preparing him to avoid direct answers on CC.
Neil, bolt has not been a journalist for a long time. He is a polemical commentator and promulgator of right-wing opinion. I was amused to see that he presented video of his ‘interview’ with the PM as Bolt vs Rudd. He is a media star in the eyes of some, including Neil of S.
I just heard that it was “ungodly” to oppose an ETS according to one K Rudd. It therefore must be godly to be supportive of one.
Not that there’s anything wrong with being godly, or ungodly for that matter. I mean, who really knows??
I salute all godly types around here, Reb, Toilet, Kittylitter, TB, to the extent that such a thing can be tolerated from an ungodly type such as myself.
Can I call you all “Your Godlinesses”?
Is it worse to be ungodly or unAustralian?
“He is a polemical commentator and promulgator of right-wing opinion”
What is right-wing opinion??
Wot Bolt writes about.
Huh?
Please demonstrate where I’ve supported an ETS.
I also loathe religious prognostications from political leaders, Rudd included.
I scorn such ridiculous hyperbole.
Btw, I know that even entertaining ‘godly’ as a concept is a farce.
You’ve got me all wrong, snacty.
(Is this some kind of backdoor defence of Bolt?)
I don’t think you are RealNeil. I think someone is over spicing the curry.
Ungodly & unAustralian are equally bogus fabrications.
Having said that, at least Australians exist…
In other news, Mrs Sancty has declared war on Li’l Miss Sancty. It promises to be one hell of a fight. I’m on Mrs Sancty’s side as a victory would mean a return for Ol’ Sancty to the marital bed. The loungeroom, whilst it had it’s advantages during Le Tour and that part of The Ashes where we had some hope, however forlorn, is becoming a cold and lonely place.
The fight will be well worth the tickets though. Mrs Sancty is not to be trifled with and Li’l Miss Sancty is youthful and determined. Li’l Sancty and I are going to buy a popcorn machine. We envisage that this war may be repeated many times over the next 18 odd years.
I’ll keep you updated.
Toilet, I can’t demonstrate any such thing. I have taken your silence on the issue as tacit support. He apparently said it on Bolt but I haven’t seen the Bolt interview (in conflicts with swimming lessons) so I have nothing to say on the interview.
Haha.
Yeah, notsolil’toilet, fights with her mum, but not with me. We are buddies.
I’m ambivalent about AGW in general snacty.
I don’t pretend to definitively know. I am suspicious of an ETS…I think, if climate is a genuine concern of the political class, an ETS is pure tokenism.
Welcome to ungodliness, Toilet. Abbott is your friend.
Li’l Miss Sancty won rounds 1 & 2. 20 mins sleep each time for an hour of carry on.
But I liken her to GWS. A lot of talent in a fight but I don’t think she’s got it in her to go the distance. I predict a win to Mrs Sancty by KO in about Round 10. That will be Tuesday or Wednesday by my reckoning. I haven’t broken it to Li’l Sancty yet that he can’t stay up for Round 3. I might have my own little fight then. But being men, we tend to negotiate our differences and both come out victors. Usually over a beer and a cupomilk.
Speaking of beers, IPA usually gets a bit lippy at this point of the footy season. I wonder if we’ll hear from him today.
The Tiger Train has pulled into Sydney station, home of the reigning premiers, carrying the Yellow and Black army and the team as pronounced underdogs. The Bloods are fearsome at home and Richmond’s task seems insurmountable. Still, stranger things have happened, haven’t they? 😉
‘…I think, if climate is a genuine concern of the political class, an ETS is pure tokenism.’
Yeah, that sums it up.
Apparently some here refused to watch the Rudd interview on account of Bolt Cooties. 🙄
ANDREW BOLT: About climate change – well, let’s go into it. What I want to know is-
KEVIN RUDD: I accept the science. It’s happening. Therefore we’re going to do something about it.
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The PM has been brainwashed and I cannot vote for my old party.
I may watch it now, just once. I expect to be unsurprised by Bolt’s utter lack of poise & a head made for blogging. Not to mention his petulant indignance & all round Menzies House Meme promulgating.
* note, I will never watch the Bilge Report again (on my honour as a toilet).
I’m pretty sure I know exactly what I’m in for.
FKN, GO TIGES !!!
* fuck Sydney
I like Andrew Bolt. That fact that he gets the lefties all riled up means he must be telling the truth.
Abbott is not my friend. He is a contemptible, awkward, mean spirited, god bothering, McCarthyist puppet of the dark right in Australian politics.
I imagine, if it weren’t anathema to do so publicly (on account of it being regressive pantswetting social conservative propaganda)…he’d be palpating his gland in agreement with Bernardi’s ridiculous book.
“That fact that he gets the lefties all riled up means he must be telling the truth.”
What an utterly inaccurate & puerile way of determining the truth. 🙄
You may as well read entrails.
Apparently some here never miss an episode of Teh Blot Report…& then watch it again when it re-airs in the afternoon…& then watch it again when he posts it on his blog; along with ‘why I won’ analysis from the perpetually indignant wanker himself.
“He is a contemptible, awkward, mean spirited, god bothering”
God bothering?? Why pick on Abbott. Rudd usually gives his press conferences as he is emerging from Church. Selective morality me thinks.
http://www.google.com/search?q=rudd+at+church&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mb70UYaoC4G4kgXFzICABw&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=1181&bih=599
July 28, 2013 2:45 pm
I also loathe religious prognostications from political leaders, Rudd included.
I scorn such ridiculous hyperbole.
http://goo.gl/Oc6dLJ
Another Bolt meme, regurgitated by Neil, as if it’s doctrine.
I’m no more enamoured by Rudd’s (less overt) religiosity than I am by Abbott’s. However, does Rudd have secret meetings with Pell which he tries to deny until confronted by unrefutable evidence?
The public face of Rudd’s religious presence is akin to a ‘happy clapper’.
The public face of Abbott’s religious presence is akin to a shifty, moralising Headmaster of a Catholic boarding school…or a sneering pulpit pumper.
* note, I have no tolerance for either of them projecting their version of god into my existence. Religion is a personal matter & should be completely excised from governance.
Ich glaube, er hat eine lukrative Karriere auf dem niederländischen Bestialität Schaltung, wenn seine TV-Karriere scheitert!
I’m sure that link was intriguing, but it doesn’t work.
But Toilet you said Abbott was God Bothering. Rudd is a bigger God Botherer. Less Overt?? Are you kidding?? Rudd is the leader of the Parliamentary Prayer Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_prayer_group
“The Parliamentary Christian Fellowship is mainly attended by socially conservative Members of Parliament.[1] Kevin Rudd is considered the mainstay of the group,[2] and is the only member of the Labor Party to regularly attend”
And I don’t think i have seen Abbott giving a press conference as he emerges from Church.
‘You may as well read entrails.’
🙂 classic
It’s all about the rhetoric, Neil. I’m not stunned that it is lost on you.
You did notice that I condemned Rudd’s stupid holy wankings as soon as they were mentioned here, right?
How can Abbott have secret meetings yet be more overt than Sunday morning church press conference Rudd?
Well, he did have secret meeting with Pell, as I’m sure you know. 🙄
(stop changing the subject…just coz the swans are gonna get their arses handed to them [currently 33 apiece] )
Abbott’s been a beacon of nasty social conservatism as long as he’s been a public figure. Despite the way y’all are trying to make it about Rudd. I could care less who’s outside of a church, as cheap a stunt as that clearly is. It’s what they say & their intent that I pay attention to.
* just in case you missed it the 1st & 2nd time…I loathe Rudd sermonising too.
armchair
l enjoyed this, a beauty
‘ ‘ having gone down the path of trade “liberalisation”, having created and accepted an elite consensus around some form of neoliberalism, governments everywhere have gutted themselves. Their citizens still, rightly, demand that they “do something” in terms of ameliorating the risks and problems involved in everything from healthcare to education to retirement, but the elite consensus around neoliberalism has robbed them of the tools (and the inclination) to do so. ‘ ‘
+ this
” globalisation, of “free” trade across borders by minimally regulated and taxed corporations is an exercise in inequality. ”
+ this
‘ ‘ Big business, multinational corporations, international finance and the various think tanks that provide them with their intellectual rationalisations would, in the name of cheap labour, be more than happy to see open borders, but it is the one wish otherwise obedient governments will not grant them. ‘ ‘
good to see dunlop breaking away from troll-media!
*l wonder if he lurks here from time to time, his text seems familiar 🙂
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-25/dunlop-the-only-border-security-we-have-left/4843500
This place is an offshoot of Dunlop’s (now extinct) blog on News.com. In as much as most of the long term commenters began commenting there.
Tim, isn’t what I’d call politically aligned. Ideologically aligned, perhaps, but certainly not in lockstep with a mainstream political party.
I’ve just watched the 1st segment of Rudd V Bolt.
I’m inclined to agree with YomM.
Rudd easily batted Bolt’s gotcha’s, & attempts to interrupt, away. Bolt looked strident & had nothing but prearranged criticisms to counter Rudd’s reasonable rebuttals.
It is clear that Abbott’s slogans about turning boats around are just that. Slogans.
I am wary of my own bias when watching this. Particularly given how much Bolt reviles me in the written word…’little lone'(guffaw) in the flesh, with a pout & warts & as a stalwart of nasty social conservatism.
dunny, l wasn`t referring/claiming dunlop was politically/ideologically aligned, l was referring to the refreshing break-away from troll-media by dunlop and and his enjoyable spanking of the duopoly over `boat-people` and how the duopoly have `gutted` themselves by handing over too much to the corporatologists
l watched boltreportland the 1st two or 3 times it was on, realized it was his blog in `moving`pictures, and don`t waste my time with it. lt`s just junk.
“It is clear that Abbott’s slogans about turning boats around are just that. Slogans.”
Not totally clear. We will not know until it is tried. Is Abbott lying about what he intends to do?? Who knows??
All i know is that we are spending $1B/year more than we did under Howard on housing asylum seekers. And that is a lot of money in anybodies language.
It’s also resoanable to use the Bolt interview to illustrate the difference between GIllard and Rudd. For example –
• Rudd is articulate, and can use a range of phrases to answer a question
• Gillard was always stuck on the specific word to deliver the message, she would repeat the same words endlessly
• Rudd didn’t get flustered
• Gillard routinely got flustered and stumbled
I agree about Dunlop, and I didn’t mean to infer that you were claiming anything about his alignment; that was just my own observation. 🙂
I enjoy Tim’s analysis. I think he approaches issues from outside of the duopoly, non-choice paradigm. He will bash the ALP when they deserve it…& has done so over the last several years. The difference between here & other offshoots of blogocracy is that when he’s done so, he’s been greeted with acknowledgement & considered discussion here…but elsewhere he’s been roundly ignored. 😉
“It’s also resoanable to use the Bolt interview to illustrate the difference between GIllard and Rudd.”
I agree. Firstly, he had the gumption to appear; even Bolt accepts that.
Secondly, he kept Bolt at arms length with ease.
Bolt looked desperate to land a blow…probably because of the pressure he put himself under by asking for guidance from, and seeking the approval of, his blog crotchsniffers.
I believe Kev even said he’d return.
Gillard was too compromised by her recent political past, to have pulled that off.
* just to preempt snacty. 3qtr time…I concede that the swans have cheated enough to get over the line by now. 😆
** how about the spectacle of Essendon imploding! 😯
l notice the same old dot-points, and tbag talking points are still being used by the `usual`suspect-osy`s.
Does anybody else see the `irony` that the `bags` have squawked so often about the `watermelon` govt, and now with Kevin07 back in charge, `watermelon` is now the likely the `best` the `bags` can hope for.?
*GO WATERMELON*
Please demonstrate where I’ve supported an ETS.
Or me … and certainly not any deity …
BTW, Toillette … well said all the way down … couldn’t have done better (and prob’ly much worse) …
Some days are just a repetition of the slow days and then along comes, James and the slow days are like some days … followed by Kneel, same days ad nauseam …
I’m still trying to get to watch Bolt shoot his …
‘Bolt looked strident & had nothing but prearranged criticisms to counter Rudd’s reasonable rebuttals.’
Our great leader is a fkn disgrace.
“Our great leader is a fkn disgrace.”
You know Egg people who support AGW really get up your nose.
I didn’t have to go far to find neil-lies, just to what is written above
…If Howard had made a statement like that, Labor supporters would never let him forget it. But with their own they are more forgiving.
Labor followers support a team rather than principle. That is why I never believe anything they say. Coalition supporters are more likely to more careful in their judgements. But following a team is human nature. But Labor followers are in love with the Labor party. My side right or wrong. Furthermore they tell lies to support their beliefs…
Clearly there are lies, generalisations, opinion and supposition in all of those statements.
Less Overt?? Are you kidding?? Rudd is the leader of the Parliamentary Prayer Group.
I think actually studying to be a priest, a seminarian, beats rudd at godbothering. Also the fact that abbott can’t make any kind of public speech [those lasting longer than slogans & stunts] without getting all biblical, he starts quoting bible stories and characters and sermonising to everyone. An A grade godbotherer if ever there was one.
let’s not forget this doozy
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-07-14/abbotts-divorce-proposal-ludicrous/1352668
Should be in the gym but I haven’t been able to drag myself away from archival footage of JJ Cale, Leon Russell and session musos. If only? What a pleasure it would be to spend one’s life jamming with other musicians. I have noticed that the truly talented respect and enjoy the musical gifts of others. JJ Cale was so so good.
I think I must be being moderated?? Fair enough too, that crack about Reb’s godliness was a step too far…. 🙂
armchair, l enjoyed the doozey
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-07-14/abbotts-divorce-proposal-ludicrous/1352668
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this is a good example of the narrow-cast thinking that Mr-Rabbit possesses
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Mr-Rabbit was trying to `re-heat` a long dead marriage act and serve it to the public
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for those who choose to remember, l still don`t think Mr-Rabbit can `win` 2013
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just as Mr-Rabbit has tried to `re-heat` the dead marriage act, Mr-Rabbit tried in 2010 to re-heat the Howard left-overs and serve them to the voters, as we all know, the voters didn`t dine at Mr-Rabbit`s 2010 restaurant
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since 2010 to 2013, Mr-Rabbit continues to try and serve-up re-heated left-overs, spiced with a 3-word-slogan or fluro-vest-stunt, nothing of substance is produced for full inspection to the public
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re-heating the failed 2010 election strategy, and serving it as the 2013 strategy will fail too
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GO WATERMELON !
O’Farrell remains popular in NSW.
Click to access 178864-aus-web-130729-nsw-newspoll.pdf
‘You know Egg people who support AGW really get up your nose.’
tru dat
Fair enough too, that crack about Reb’s godliness was a step too far…
James, I must disagree!
The owner thrives on such stroking … particularly as I understand he still retains the title, His Holiness the
PrickPope of the Church of Rebbittology … he can verify the full title (much too long for me to remember) … 🙂GO WATERMELON !
Watermelons may well play a big part – could they bear another hung parliament, wewananelectionnow heads will explode!
I’ll certainly be voting for greens, assange, the secular party and senator online, before any majors.
JJ Cale was so so good.
JJ has always gone everywhere with me, he’s in the car, the house and on every digital device, I couldn’t be without him.
GO WATERMELON !
armchair, l am voting below the line,
putting independents first,
small party`s second,
kevin07`s imploders third,
and team-teabag last.
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l am not letting any of these buggers pass on pref`s in deals,
l also have family and friends that will vote similarly,
(and they are spreading this idea too) 🙂
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2013 to 2016
THE UNHINGING CONTINUES
Armchair! Are you me?
l am not letting any of these buggers pass on pref`s in deals,
l also have family and friends that will vote similarly,
(and they are spreading this idea too) 🙂
I’d like to see a ‘vote below the line’ TV ad campaign, something like “sick of the childish squabbling of labor and liberal? Sick of being taken for granted? Then don’t forget to number each individual box, below the line – don’t let either of them steal another election from you through lazy voting”
Perhaps we should mention it to GetUp
Armchair! Are you me?
crazy mama, where you been so long 😉
‘ ‘ number each individual box, below the line ‘ ‘
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this is another issue troll-media has failed to use as a worthwhile news topic
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the duopoly and their pets never mention it either, the only folks who have said this regularly/repeatedly has been bob-brown/greens
‘An Essential poll released on Monday showed 61 per cent of surveyed Australians approved of the federal government’s announcement that all asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat will be sent to New Guinea for processing and none will be resettled in Australia.
‘Three-quarters of Labor voters and 58 per cent of Liberal/National voters approved of the policy, but 62 per cent of Greens voters disapproved.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/fiji-anger-as-first-plane-to-manus-set-for-takeoff-20130729-2qu3g.html#ixzz2aPj5APab
… having lived and worked in PNG, egg, I feel quite sorry for these asylum seekers …
“I am suspicious of an ETS…I think, if climate is a genuine concern of the political class, an ETS is pure tokenism.”
Yes it’s truly one very very very expensive joke more aimed at equalizing energy prices across the globe. It’s simply been created by the EU (and embraced by the Greens for different reasons e.g. simple living) and non -participants are simply threatened with boycotts or higher taxes to impose and advantage( e.g. additional airline taxes on non-particiating nation’s airlines)
The EU is trying to manipulate its own Carbon Permit Price whilst we grapple with a $23plus p/t carbon tax switching to an ETS whereby any fall in the price of power first has to be adjudicated by individual state government pricing regulators.
Then of course the Lefties grab for any slight rumour or report that China is imposing a nation wide ETS. Of course we’d believe everything coming out of China would’nt we ?
The fact is they are expanding their fossil fuel consumption at an outstanding rate.
Then we have the USA standing for its free market principles with a final term president urging environmental reforms. Yeah I’m sure Americans would impose a carbon tax or an ETS on itself. Perhaps they could join the EU ETS. I’m sure they wouldn’t care about the EU manipulating the free market.
Just think about it.
There are so many different political systems in the world with so many different competing areas of influence and you Lefties are so naïve to think we could all get together like some fucking John Lennon song lyric and save this Third Rock from the Sun.
Do you really really believe this utter utter bullshit ?
We’d couldn’t agree if on our response if fucking Mars attacked.
After that rant, I’m confused.
I think my quote was used to support your position…but by the end, I was unsure if I was being categorised as ‘you Lefties’ or not? 😯
No toilet I was not including you as a Leftie.
It is Tokenism because it is not there for any purpose other more pointless EU and Green fucking bullshit.
I can’t believe the bullshit “systems” that are developed to control us.
My colleague Walrus said it all most eloquently in his two comments and I have little further to add, except that the Chinese and Russians are building huge ice breakers and say the approaching mini ice age will have no effect on their oil drilling ambitions.
Oh Egg, the ice melt up north has opened up shipping ops. Russia in partic want to maximize their chances of territorial claims to the oil still underneath ice. That is why they are building huge nuclear powered icebreakers.
Oyey Oyey !!!!!’ Tent city on Nauru!!!!! Trumpets blare.
Hear ye! Hear ye! Pregnant women and children to be sent to malaria ridden Manus. Oh malaria drugs are harmful when taken by pregnant women.
The day is off to a cracking start …..
If you want a perfect example that encapsulates the extraordinary incompetence of this PM and his Government in announcing policy on the run it was the FBT changes.
Now we have this……………
“THE Rudd Government is considering a partial backdown on the controversial changes to Fringe Benefits Tax rules by offering government workers a $3000 rebate on locally made cars.”
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/rebate-plan-to-ease-fbt-car-hit/story-fni0xqrc-1226687859119
If they go through with it just watch their Primary Vote melt faster than a polar ice cap.
Kevin Rudd…………………He promises the Earth and then delivers a fucking Atlas
Walrus I am more concerned about the power of the supermarket duopoly. I think your mob allowed this to come about. Am I wrong? Now they are trying to get market share on petrol pricing. Wait till they get it? I believe they are moving/have moved into insurance. Small farmers and businesses are being crushed. Why do we let it happen? Short term gains seem to be everything in this land. Will we all end up with bar codes on our noggins?
Kevin Rudd…………………He promises the Earth and then delivers a fucking Atlas
That’s quite funny, however Rudd hasn’t yet lost the gloss, whereas Abbott , Hockey & Bishop have stumbled. There’s plenty more panic stricken stumbling to come too.
Bishop & Abbott seem to have offended our 2 closest neighbours in the past week or so.
“Walrus I am more concerned about the power of the supermarket duopoly. I think your mob allowed this to come about. Am I wrong?”
You sure are wrong.
1) They are certainly not “my mob” as I’m not a “rusted on” but I am totally opposed to the ALP rabble that currently “governs” us.
2) There are plenty of posts of mine where I have ranted on about the Banks and Supermarkets etc and the possible need to “break them up”.
What happened to Grocery Watch and Fuel Watch by the way……….
I suppose both agencies are watching the duopoly grow stronger.
Apologies for assuming rusted on status.
Wally’s back shrill as ever I see … 🙂
Oh, Wally’s rusted on alright … to the right … of The Robber Barons …
The reason there is a ‘duopoly’ is that there are two parties trying to give voters what they want. Then there is a bunch of fruitloops and misfits who offer stuff so stupid most people won’t buy it.
The reason the Greens are not a major party is that their idiotic policies are not what most voters want. Their audience is a ragtag bunch of leftover drongo commos from a bygone era and overweening young nincompoops who missed the opportunity to beclown themselves as commos but nevertheless want to make spectacle of their stupidity.
A democracy is a marketplace of political ideas. The public soon sort out the fools and tools and consign them to the fringes. That is why the Greens are fundamentally anti-democratic. Democracy won’t get them into power.
don’t worry dianne, he’s so rusted he’s squeaking.
That’s quite funny, however Rudd hasn’t yet lost the gloss, whereas Abbott , Hockey & Bishop have stumbled.
yeah, a lot of hasty, desperate thought bubbles becoming ‘the policy that always was’
“THE Rudd Government is considering a partial backdown on the controversial changes to Fringe Benefits Tax rules by offering government workers a $3000 rebate on locally made cars.”
I am in full agreement with the FBT crackdown, why should wealthy earners be able to claim their personal use of a car as business usage and then receive tax benefits for it?
I could have written that policy! I have long been saying in conversations that if the govt. wants to support the car manufacturing industry they should tie salary sacrificing of all vehicles to locally made cars. If people choose to have something else, they can buy privately outside of the SS scheme and receive no tax benefits.
I am glad you have such faith in the public SB. I don’t.
I agree with SB.
That is the excuse of totalitarians everywhere, Dianne. Can’t trust the masses to know what is good for them so we need a Dear Leader, Big Brother or a dictatorship of the proletariat.
I blame Plato and his ideal state ruled by philosopher kings. Unsurprisingly, the Greens refer to themselves as the Party of Plato.
That is why the Greens are fundamentally anti-democratic. Democracy won’t get them into power.
I wish we had a democracy.
Unaccountable political staffers, lobbyists, loyalty of MPs to the party and not the people, lack of open and honest transparency of govt. operations, lack of independence and funding of watchdogs, branch stacking, media concentration, they all work to destroy democracy.
Our “democratic” political system is so tied up with the so called “free market” economy and lobbying for/or paying to support politicians for power to make a dollar at all costs its no wonder most people get confused with political systems and economies … including potential pollies!
SB and Egg don’t forget that the German public elected Hitler. The profile of the Fuhrer’s earliest supporters included Christians, farmers and small business owners. My trust in the good sense of the public has been given a mighty wallop in recent times. Just look at the recent survey quoted here by someone. Something like three-quarters of AlP supporters approved of current positions on off-shore processing. Czar Vlad in Russia is becoming more imperial by the day but men and women swoon over his bear wrestling antics.
‘I blame Plato and his ideal state ruled by philosopher kings.’
How about a modern benevolent dictatorship?
‘I wish we had a democracy.’
We do and its better than Egyptian democracy.
I understand, Dianne. Anyone who dares disagree with you must be dumb/racist/sexist/facist. The masses can’t be trusted to work things out for themselves especially if they aren’t really intelligent like you and not blessed with an exquisite conscience like you. Clearly the communists were correct when they diagnosed the false consciousness of the masses, imposed rule by the party, killed their critics and sent dissenters fro re-education. This is exactly what we need now.
Thanks for that sb
“SB and Egg don’t forget that the German public elected Hitler.”
Ummmmmmmmmm !
Actually no they didn’t
The Nazis were a minority party when they “seized” or were “handed” power
<i.Clearly the communists were correct when they diagnosed the false consciousness of the masses, imposed rule by the party, killed their critics and sent dissenters fro re-education.
Can’t find any criticisms for fascist rule, prefer to attack the person rather than the argument? dianne observed that the fascist dictator hitler was democratically elected by the people. Rather than genuinely debating any of that, you go off on an irrelevant anti-communist rant!
But isn’t that the real issue, Dianne. That people who can’t get their own way through the ballot box blame the unenlightened voters who had the temerity to hold different opinions. And not just take it as political disagreement, but elevate it to some great moral principle so that dissenters can be scorned as moral reprobates unfit to participate in the democratic process.
You are wrong Walrus
The Nazis were a minority party when they “seized” or were “handed” power
seized and handed being two completely different things!
who, what, when and where?
You see it that way SB. I don’t. I think people are influenced by propaganda. I think that is what is driving our national ‘debate’. I would love to see some moral principles put up there for us to consider.
Thanks Armchair.
KL, Hitler and the Nazis never had a majority in parliament. In fact they are the perfect advertisement for a hung parliament.
A better example would have been Egypt where Islamists had a clear majority.
What Egypt demonstrates is that while representative government is a necessary condition for democracy it is not a sufficient condition.
Democracy also requires constitutional protections such as freedom of speech, due process and the rule of law. Without these sort of protections there is always the risk of the tyranny of the majority.
And it is not wrong to use the communists as an example as they are in fact a perfect example. And it is still the same leftist attitude of knowing better what people need that leads them to push for restrictions on freedom of speech and leads cretinous Greens like Clive Hamilton to suggest a suspension of democracy to enable his climate change policies to be implemented.
That people who can’t get their own way through the ballot box blame the unenlightened voters who had the temerity to hold different opinions. And not just take it as political disagreement, but elevate it to some great moral principle so that dissenters can be scorned as moral reprobates unfit to participate in the democratic process.
I think you just perfectly described the mass unhinging and feral behaviour of the libs and their supporters since the hung parliament went to labor!
“who, what, when and where?”
Try this.
sb, in one breath you talk about necessary protections for people in a democracy and in the next you rail against those who want to ensure that all people have equal rights and protection!
you are in a state of conflict and contradiction.
KL, whatever else the Libs did, they did not blame the situation on the voters or suggest that the voters were to blame. That sort of shit-brained thinking was behind the attempt by the Greens and idiots like Conroy as they tried to pass laws to censor the media.
I think people are influenced by propaganda.
Of course they are, you only have to look at the asylum seeker debate, the climate change debate. Propaganda is the liberal party MO, it is in their dna [where have I heard that expression before?]
actually walrus I have put the hitler accession too simply. I owe you an apology. From flawed memory the Nazis emerged as a major party after 1930 election. Hitler did deals and of course double crossed political partners and ended up Chancellor.
“sb, in one breath you talk about necessary protections for people in a democracy and in the next you rail against those who want to ensure that all people have equal rights and protection!”
Again you mischaracterise my position, KL. I was railing against the proto-totalitarian tendency whereby some leftists are too quick to attribute false consciousness and personal shortcomings such as racism to those who have the temerity to disagree with them.
The climate change is indeed a classic example of the gullible being gulled by chicken-little alarmists using pseudo-science to bumrush the public into handing over billions of dollars.
That sort of shit-brained thinking was behind the attempt by the Greens and idiots like Conroy as they tried to pass laws to censor the media.
rubbish, the media has ceased to function as a news reporting industry, it is dominated by a right wing newsltd, a known criminal organisation, it is all powerful and intent on political campaigning and deciding the outcome of supposedly democratic elections. newsltd is the very example of a mass propaganda organisation.
the media has ceased to function as a news reporting industry, it is dominated by a right wing newsltd, a known criminal organisation, it is all powerful and intent on political campaigning and deciding the outcome of supposedly democratic elections. newsltd is the very example of a mass propaganda organisation.”/
BRAVO KL!
sb you seem very aggro about the greens. Are they a threat or something?
I think that the more choices people have the better, surely this duopoly sharing of power, turn and turn about, between two near identical parties should be discouraged? Lots of people are not happy with the two majors and the way their interests are not being represented by them. We get childish squabbling about non-issues instead of informed debate about the real things eg what we want and expect from them.
Democracy is better served by the Greens being there and part of the process.
News Limited is certainly conservative when it comes to expressing opinions, just as the ABC is leftist. But the left has hijacked the ABC, a public resource, to their cause. Just theft plain and simple. Fairfax is also leftist in its general tone, so the market provides avenues for a variety of opinion. The funny thing is that the ABC is stealing the Fairfax core audience of poseurs and pseudo-intellectuals and driving it out of business. Also, people anywhere in the country can read Crikey anytime the fancy takes them. The fact that not many choose to do so do speaks well of the mental health of most Australians.
The only reason the Greens and Conroy wanted to censor News is that they can’t stand criticism.
Chuckle @ KL 😉
KL, I’m not aggro about anything. 🙂 You should know by now that I like robust debate and I am greatly enjoying this discussion, chuckling all the way.
“I think that the more choices people have the better”
Roaring agreement there. That is precisely why the Greens are wrong to try to shut down dissenting views. Brown was really losing the plot towards the end there.
“Lots of people are not happy with the two majors and the way their interests are not being represented by them. “
Probably about 10% of the population. The vast majority prefer the majors.
“surely this duopoly sharing of power, turn and turn about, between two near identical parties should be discouraged?”
How is that consistent with giving people more choices? Your problem is not about more choices but restricting choice in the hope that in a wave of madness the lunatic Greens might actually get into power. Most people understand that this would be an unmitigated disaster.
The climate change is indeed a classic example of the gullible being gulled by chicken-little alarmists using pseudo-science to bumrush the public into handing over billions of dollars.
I’d prefer billions of $ going into cleaning up the environment than into the coffers of private enterprise who rape, pillage, exploit and destroy it along with the humanity it supports.
But the left has hijacked the ABC, a public resource, to their cause. Just theft plain and simple
I must watch a different ABC to you, mine only contains the liberal party affiliated right wing think tank IPA reps, ex-liberal party politicians and right wing newsltd journos!
Where are all these lefties of which you speak?
Probably about 10% of the population. The vast majority prefer the majors.
we’ll see
the times, they are a-changin’ 😉
“Where are all these lefties of which you speak?”
My favourite is Philip Adams. I also like Red Kerry O’Brien. Tony Jones is smug cnut who doesn’t know the difference between “remuneration” and “renumeration”. Surely his number is up. In fact I can’t think of any conservative presenters, although there may be one or two about. I listen to Adams regularly, but mainly as part of my quest to understand the causes of leftist dementia.
How is that consistent with giving people more choices? Your problem is not about more choices but restricting choice in the hope that in a wave of madness the lunatic Greens might actually get into power.
More parties = more choices. The restriction in choice is what we have now, two near identical in policy parties who offer nothing but more of the same. Or, in the case of the libs, we are being offered a return to the way it was 15 + yrs ago [the return of howard without howard].
In fact I can’t think of any conservative presenters, although there may be one or two about.
There are no conservative presenters who can be factual and truthful, that is why. They would not be able to stick to the requirements of the charter.
“There are no conservative presenters who can be factual and truthful, that is why. They would not be able to stick to the requirements of the charter.”
Utterly hilarious! You are in fine form today!
“More parties = more choices.”
There is no limit on the number of parties. Your problem seems to be that most people like parties that you don’t and you want them’discouraged’. If there was only one mainstream party, there would be less parties and less choice. Besides, there are material differences between the ALP and the coalition and that is a choice people are entitled to have.
I think one of the biggest threats to our democracy is the parlous state of the mainstream media. News Ltd is biased, Fairfax can be and so can the ABC.
Commentators have become media personalities who pontificate. There are more right wing media ‘stars’ than left wing spruikers. I can only think of Phillip Adams but he is hardly a ranter.
I think the media’s failed business model, partic that of Fairfax which does not have Murdoch millions bankrolling it, is very keen on colour stories: leadership changes, scandals, new spectacles, jackets, politicians falling over. They want hits for their online editions which they see as their future.
They have cut back on staff dramatically, they have no money to investigate and the line between news and commentary is often blurred. They rush to get Stories on line and sometimes there are inaccuracies. I no longer trust what I read.
Some journalists are so desperate for scoops that they are on a drip feed from the parties. For a long time The Story was all about Julia Gillard being hopeless and treacherous. TA was rarely asked a follow up question of any note. Some journalists appear to be on his campaign team. Now there is too much acceptance of anything Rudd puts out.
It is neither left or right to be disturbed by this.
“For a long time The Story was all about Julia Gillard being hopeless and treacherous.”
They got that right.
“I can only think of Phillip Adams but he is hardly a ranter.”
Phil’s style is more the smug, sly entre nous type. John Faine is more your ranter. All of the major ABC current affairs shows have been colonised by leftists.
Because Fairfax and the ABC do not cater to a large chunk of the electorate there is a role for media that gives people a different view and doesn’t condescend to them. But the left hates this. That is why they want to censor the press.
Now more than ever people have access to a vast variety of views. There is something out there for everyone.
I definitely don’t want some dumb (and, like Conroy, they are all really dumb) leftist ideologue deciding what is appropriate for me to read and listen to. There are enough choices out there but any dissenting view is apparently more than the cry-baby left can stomach. They really need to rein in their inner totalitarian. Otherwise they just look contemptible.
‘The climate change is indeed a classic example of the gullible being gulled by chicken-little alarmists using pseudo-science to bumrush the public into handing over billions of dollars.’
Mass delusion brought about by propaganda… apparently 75% of Australians believe CO2 causes global warming.
“I think one of the biggest threats to our democracy is the parlous state of the mainstream media.”
Only if you think the audience is stupid. There are plenty of different views out there for people to choose from. And with the internet the news is more accessible than it has ever been.
I don’t think there are lots different views SB. Sure you can read online papers from around the world but lots of those are behind the pay wall. The Internet stuff seems to be people preaching to the converted. I don’t think people are stupid but we are all susceptible to having ideas put in our heads. We head out and buy toothpaste which will whiten our teeth, dubious chemicals to clean our kitchens because they are labeled Lemon Fresh da da da Dah. Why is Team Abbott running round in blue ties? Thought suggestion. Unity, strength, conservatism.
Entre-nous ce qui est entre-nous? Philippe me parle gentiment, nous partageons une intimité, il parle doucement dans mon oreille. Autosatisfaction et sournois? Chers auditeurs, nous ne nous amusons pas.
“……Tony Jones is smug cnut who doesn’t know the difference between “remuneration” and “renumeration”………..”
He used to be a frequent host of many business conferences. I can assure you he knows how to charge for his time.
So tell me what viewpoints are inaccessible, Dianne? I have more ready access to political opinions of all stripes than at any time in my life. Preaching to the converted is OK. That is what the ABC does par excellence. The problem with them is that the government has no business allowing a cabal of leftists to hijack the public broadcaster.
Paying to read news and opinion has, until recently, been quite normal. People even have to pay to read News Ltd’s papers and some of their websites. I can read many articles from the Monthly, or New Matilda or the GreenLeft Weekly for free. I quite like Spiked, can read the Guardian to my heart’s content or if I’m feeling masochistic, the Global Mail. Crooked Timber is an interesting site (apart from the contributions of opinionated idiot John Quiggin). Even the Huffington Post can be interesting. RelaClearPolitics links to a tremendous diversity of opinion on a wide range of topics every day.
Most people can make up their minds about what they want to read and how they process it. The intellectual elite should just fuck-off and stop trying to control what people read.
Vous etes tres amusante Fauteuille.
Yes Walrus. A media personality par excellent.
SB everything you have offered says illusion of choice to me. What has gone is old fashioned news gathering. Facts presented objectively and commentary clearly identified as such.
Thats funny KL. I can just imagine the fat old fucker purring in French. He is at his most sickening billing and cooing with leftist ratbags like Chomsky or some sad old commo from the good old days when the left still ran with the line that Wilfred Dogshit wasn’t a traitor.
chuckle….
“Tony Abbott heckled by elderly protester at Seaford RSL..”
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/tony-abbott-heckled-by-elderly-protester-at-seaford-rsl/story-fnho52ip-1226688091626#ixzz2aV1UIBkp
Most people can make up their minds about what they want to read and how they process it. The intellectual elite should just fuck-off and stop trying to control what people read.
Why do the right wing ranters have dominance over radio, in newsprint and on TV?
The right wing ‘guests’ on ABC vastly outnumber any presenters, who BTW, are required by charter to be unbiased and impartial.
I would say that there is no left wing opinion in australia. The Greens would be in the middle of the political spectrum and all the media treat them as if they are somehow illegitimate in politics and they are rarely invited onto any media program. Labor is middle right and the libs are to the extreme right of the scale. To say that anyone in the australian media offers a ‘lefty’ viewpoint is IMO quite wrong.
“What has gone is old fashioned news gathering.”
True enough. I blame journalism academics – almost entirely of the left. They have turned journalism into activism. The ABC reeks of it. At least Fran Kelly admits she has had no training in journalism and “What I am really am is an activist”.
“The Greens would be in the middle of the political spectrum”
That explains a lot. I suppose it does all depend on your point of view! In the real world the Greens are a far left fringe party of limited appeal. Mainly a retirement home for stupid old commos. Ask Lee Rhiannon. Back in the day the commos thought they were normal too. Nothing much has changed.
I don’t know if you are right or wrong there SB about the role of journalism courses. I shall keep that in mind. I rather fear the lack of cash is the primary reason for a lowering of standards in news gathering. Papers have merged, specialist writers have gone, apart from politics of course, important issues are not investigated because that takes time and people which is costly.
“Tony Abbott heckled by elderly protester at Seaford RSL..”
Great to see this elderly man showing more guts than those of the generation after him.
run rabbitt run, he would’ve thought he was quite safe amongst the polite RSL crowd, perhaps he better make them ‘invitation only’ events in future. Abbott doesn’t like to hear any dissenting voices during his propaganda visits or be asked any difficult questions from the common classes. Prefers to show up at their workplaces where any worker would be sacked by the lib friendly employer if they spoke out.
In the real world the Greens are a far left fringe party of limited appeal.
In the real world, the libs/nats under abbott and his zealots have turned a moderate liberal party into an a far right wing, tea party, espousing the same lunatic views as the extremist & radical US tea party. Even liberal party supporters don’t like him or his brotherhood of zealotry.
‘Labor is middle right and the libs are to the extreme right of the scale. To say that anyone in the australian media offers a ‘lefty’ viewpoint is IMO quite wrong.’
To say the Libs are to the extreme right is nonsense put out by Labor politicians.
We need to define what it means to be left wing in Australia in the 21st century, I think the Greens epitomise the reds of last century.
Little doubt IPA and toilet have a clearer picture.
To say the Libs are to the extreme right is nonsense put out by Labor politicians.
Labor politicians who are painted as ‘the left’ by liberal politicians. According to them, labor is the left while the greens are communists 😆
They are basically centre left and centre right, jools took them further to the left with that disgraceful marriage of convenience.
Now our great leader is trying to get the good ship Labor back into the main channel.
The Greens were infiltrated by ex-Communists in Oz and Germany.
This really isn’t a good look for Morrison, Toll or News Ltd.
Morrison really is a bumbler, and while it is very easy to be critical of the ALP policy in all its forms (particularly under the dishonest Gillard), the Liberals are chalking up a record for themselves that lends itself to ridicule.
• Offends Malaysia
• Offends Indonesia
• Offends PNG
• Offends Nauru
…and now –
• Offends the public interest
• Offends common decency
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalitions-tent-city-trip-funded-by-logistics-company-that-provides-tents-20130730-2qws3.html#ixzz2aVWhmHza
This really isn’t a good look for Morrison, Toll or News Ltd.
Absolutely no, ToMt! Amateurish at best arrogance at its worst …
• Offends the public interest
Yeah! Call me a fool but don’t ever treat me like one!
Living in the Nod (Newman’s) … I can assure you this is only a taste of what is to come if Abbott & The Acolytes win the final …
I’m surprised that Morrison didn’t take his family for a holiday … 🙄
“This really isn’t a good look for Morrison, Toll or News Ltd”
IT’S A DISGRACE! ®
From twitter…
Coalition Shame: Now Is The Winter Of Their Discount Tents
Regarding the pic of Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison in ToM’s link….
Is it just me, or does Abbott look totally wasted..?
Any reaction to Morison will be overwhelmed by the Bowen Economic Statement due this week.
Sounds like it will be an absolute shocker as far as the economy is concerned. Plus new car sales data for July is due out next Monday and it will show an industry in freefall thanks to Rudd.
If people continue to have Job Security Anxiety the ALP are no chance
“Is it just me, or does Abbott look totally wasted..?”
So would you if some dickhead* pensioner had chased you around.
* Only a total dickhead would still fail to realise after 13 years of the GST that Abbott cannot put the GST up.
The States have to agree on that.
Tony Abbott isn’t alone in the belief that the GST can only be changed with agreement from the states. It appears to be a common view. The agreement between the federal government and the states and territories is more a political lock-in mechanism than a binding document. There is no compulsion under law or the constitution. And in the case of the constitution, the reverse is true; the federal parliament cannot be forced to seek approval from another party before creating legislation. The agreement is only as good as the political party with the numbers on the floor of parliament. As unlikely as it is, and despite the potential political damage, the federal parliament can legislate to change the GST without agreement from the states and territories.
http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/09/tony-abbott/tony-abbott-says-gst-cannot-be-changed-without-all/
Is it just me, or does Abbott look totally wasted..?
You need a photo to tell?
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* Only a total dickhead would still fail to realise after 13 years of the GST that Abbott cannot put the GST up.
Not now but it was looking like a clean sweep of all states/territories and Feds to the tories … then they could … *
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From FF’S link, 😉
“In a politically contentious area such as taxation, future governments may not be prepared to breach convention, and may seek the agreement of the states and territories before initiating a change to the GST rate,”
Woe betide any government who did this … for the whole system falls apart … we could never trust the Party that attempted this again and they would be banished to the wilderness for more than one generation of voters!
And just another demonstration of Tip Custard’s ignorance, incompetence or more likely deviousness … would the Libs “respect” their own? 😆
On March 24, 1999, Costello told parliament: “The commonwealth has indicated very clearly that no change to the GST rate will be implemented without the unanimous support of all the states and territories and both houses of the commonwealth parliament. The bill clearly provides this lock-in mechanism. The mechanism will be backed by the Commonwealth-State Intergovernmental Agreement as well as by legislation.”
…
“It is quite wrong for politicians to say that the commonwealth parliament can’t change the GST rate or base without the agreement of the states or can’t abolish it or otherwise change it,” she says.
And for FF’s sake at the bottom of the article … 🙂
We rate this as Mostly False.
Always pays to read the fine print!
*BTW I’m a pensioner … 🙂
“We rate this as Mostly False.”
So 49.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 %
True !
LOL
I agree with this…”“I think that the more choices people have the better”
Roaring agreement there. That is precisely why the Greens are wrong to try to shut down dissenting views.”
Shutdown of dissenting views, no matter how abhorrent, incorrect or galling they are, shouldn’t be countenanced.
I think a lot of the problem that the so-called left have with Newsltd is the disproportionate representation that it’s unassailable wealth affords its conservative platform; not so much that it is a dissenting voice, per se.
I honestly try to stand for my own point of view these days, thinking about what I think before I start considering the musings of our beholden political commentators. If you have a good bullshit filter, the blogosphere can be quite a good resource for alternative analysis, outside of the established ALP v Coalition paradigm. Conversely, if you’re after self affirmation, it can be the most fundamental source of headnodding mutual gratification imaginable.
I’m all for choice & considered opinion.
Abbott does look like he had a few gravity bongs before that shot! 😆
I bet Gina doesn’t like the way that things have swung back to an outcome closer to moderation.
All of her hard earned, spent purchasing influence & the esteemed internet input of bastions of reason such as dirtman, suddenly appears to have been a colossal waste. 😆
Also, Chomsky is BOSS!
Your misgivings about his body of work are outdated, splatter. He is a voice of scrutiny & analysis of overreaching US power relationships which continually (in most cases) prove true…& are sadly lacking in the contemporary popular media.
Manufacturing Consent is still poignant, after all these years. And not refutable.
“gravity bongs” 😆
I didn’t realise that the tent company funded the newslts journo and their photographer as well.
cripes, it really is not a good look!
I have a litmus test and Chomsky fails.
‘Both political parties, President Obama, the media, and the international press seem to be looking forward with great enthusiasm to what they call “a century of energy independence” for the United States. Energy independence is an almost meaningless concept, but put that aside. What they mean is: we’ll have a century in which to maximize the use of fossil fuels and contribute to destroying the world.
Noam Chomsky / Guardian
Your test fails…
armchair__ ” the libs/nats under abbott and his zealots have turned a moderate liberal party into an a far right wing, tea party, espousing the same lunatic views as the extremist & radical US tea party. ‘ ‘
WRONG. lt was in about Howards 4th year they really went teabag.
The Lib voters that l know seem to be small-L`s, not teabags.
Other than that, l agree. 🙂
Chomsky is yesterday’s man and definitely on the wrong side of history this time.
All of her hard earned, spent purchasing influence & the esteemed internet input of bastions of reason such as dirtman, suddenly appears to have been a colossal waste.
It seems to represent a little evidence that the public (kind of) know what they like and what they don’t, in my opinion.
‘ ‘ The reason there is a ‘duopoly’ is that there are two parties trying to give voters what they want. ‘ ‘
Wrong. Both sides of the duopoly are funded/deals-done with big-biz to ensure there is a `non-choice.`
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” Then there is a bunch of fruitloops and misfits who offer stuff so stupid most people won’t buy it. ”
Limited-News and the IPA.
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‘ ‘ The reason the Greens are not a major party is that ‘ ‘
big-biz and corporate media do all they can to scare voters.
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‘ ‘ A democracy is a marketplace of political ideas. ‘ ‘
Wrong. lt is a very Limited offering.
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‘ ‘The public soon sort out the fools and tools and consign them to the fringes. ‘ ‘
That is where they put Mr-Rabbit. 🙂
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‘ ‘ That is why the Greens are fundamentally ” scientific.
“That is why the Greens are fundamentally” scientifically illiterate.
If IPA is watching he would be interested in watching Dick Smith’s ” Ten Bucks a Litre” Thursday on ABC1 @ 8:30pm
I expect a critique by 8:31pm.
Let me guess the start of the opening line to IPAs critique…..
“Fucking Bullshit Mr Smith”
LOL
And I’ll agree
“That is why the Greens are fundamentally” scientifically illiterate.”
They wear a Green cloak egg
They just want to control us as they abhor humanity itself because it interferes too much with Nature
It’s far easier to influence the Young with “dying planet “bullshit rather than the failed “how a collective farm works”
They are true scum !
“how a collective farm works”
Being the Greens 20th century model created by Marx and Engels in the 19th
‘They are true scum !’
We need to differentiate between ordinary greens who are simple minded creatures and their captors who are committing crimes against humanity as we speak.
‘ ‘ fundamentally scientifically illiterate. ‘ ‘
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Wot. Like this.?
https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/co2-and-you-ii/
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Now Available at my ABCV Shop!
Also Available,
Beginners Guide to Phone Hacking by Rupert Murdoch
and
Advanced Journalism by Banana`s In Pajamas.
‘Wot. Like this.?’
That is post normal science.
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‘THE paradox du jour: people who like free markets don’t want a carbon market, and the people who don’t trust capitalism want emissions trading. So why are socialists fighting for a carbon market? Because this “market” is a bureaucrat’s wet dream.
‘A free market is the voluntary exchange of goods and services. “Free” means being free to choose to buy or to not buy the product. At the end of a free trade, both parties have something they prefer.’
Joanne Nova in the Oz
Shows how desperate Limited-News/Oz are Egg,
they are running crap of Nova`s blog.
lf she is so sure of her junk-science, she would report under her real name Codling and not use the stage-name `Nova`. l guess she doesn`t want to get her real name dirty on her junk-science blog.
“Now Is The Winter Of Their Discount Tents”
Brilliant!
So why are socialists fighting for a carbon market?
If you remember rightly, the public weren’t asked as usual, it was decided for us by the usuals – business, lobbyists & government. I was always happy with a straight-out tax, preferred it in fact. A market is better than nothing at all.
Wrong. Both sides of the duopoly are funded/deals-done with big-biz to ensure there is a `non-choice.`
exactly 730, as if anyone is giving voters what they want, that is the great disenchantment with politics, the citizens are marginalised and ignored, the corporocracy rules.
If the coalition are going to “stop the boats” why do they need to put up 2,000 tents?
they are running crap of Nova`s blog.
nova’s blog IS full of crap, a scientific wasteland.
She’s no chomsky that’s for sure! There oughta be a litmus test for vexatious denier mentality and pseudoscience. Chomsky is as relevant today as he ever was, to say otherwise is like saying picasso or van gogh have failed as artists because someone likes cartoons and doodles. “Fundamentally scientifically illiterate and yesterday’s man” is pretty rich, coming from the flat earth society and it’s magic pudding adherents!
‘…they are running crap of Nova`s blog.’
Post normal science has entered the msm … the 5th Estate has arrived.
‘A market is better than nothing at all.’
Taxing the air we breath is odious and futile.
Much amusement watching Scott Morriscum on ABC News this morning squirming to explain how his tent trip to discuss his tent plans for Tent Island funded by tent supplier “Tents R’ Us” was completely above board…
Much laughter ensued…. 😆
New South Wales ICAC enquiry into ALP Government corruption being tabled now in NSW Parliament
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-hands-down-findings-into-eddie-obeid-ian-macdonald-and-cascade-coal-20130731-2qy67.html
‘Kevin Rudd has called in three US campaign heavyweights, including the man dubbed ”Barack Obama’s digital attack dog” to help defeat Tony Abbott.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/rudd-flies-in-team-obama-20130730-2qxet.html#ixzz2aZxaeILe
“She’s no Chomsky that’s for sure!”
High praise indeed.
Chomsky is a vain hypocrite. A man who has built his career on proving time and again that there is no proposition so stupid that you won’t find an academic to support it.
In What’s Left Nick Cohen, a Guardian writer and actual thinking leftist, has a good chapter on Chomsky.
Breaking: ICAC finds Ian Macdonald & Eddie Obeid corrupt & wants criminal charges.
“Much amusement watching Scott Morrison on ABC News this morning squirming to explain how his tent trip to discuss his tent plans for Tent Island funded by tent supplier “Tents R’ Us” was completely above board…”
It does not make it right but it seems someone else was doing the exact same thing when Opposition Leader
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2008/s2194915.htm
Taxing the air we breath is odious and futile.
Where were you when they started charging for every drop of water that humans need for basic survival?
EXCLUSIVE: Ettridge action against Abbott continues — in Canberra
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/exclusive-ettridge-action-against-abbott-continues-in-canberra/
The statement concludes:
The Australian Federal Police are also currently considering allegations of Abbott’s 1998 unlawful activity in light of a submission and evidence supplied by Ettridge to the Attorney General, Mark Dreyfus, some weeks ago, where Ettridge sought a Parliamentary enquiry into Abbott’s involvement with the Australians for Honest Politics Trust and also for the offence of misfeasance in public office.
His submission was referred by the Attorney General to the Federal Police for examination.
Did Rebekah Brooks Fuck Rupert Murdoch and His Son Lachlan?
http://gawker.com/did-rebekah-brooks-fuck-rupert-murdoch-and-his-son-lach-926651851
Sources tell Gawker that during the discovery process, emails were unearthed suggesting that Brooks had, at various times, had sex with Coulson, her boss Rupert Murdoch, and Lachlan Murdoch, Rupert’s son and the likely successor to his empire. A new twist on honor thy father.
‘Where were you when they started charging for every drop of water that humans need for basic survival?’
I thank the honourable member for that question… I was here.
Kitty the debate has moved on, we are now fighting over the missing heat, which may have gone into the deep oceans.
In a few years the matter will resolve itself.
I politely disagree with your opinion of Chomsky, splatter, but I respect it. Especially because it would appear that you are (at least superficially…possibly moreso) familiar with his writing over decades. Perhaps you’ve even read some of his books(?).
El gordo, on the other hand, spits on him because he has diametrically opposite views on AGW. A mere sliver of what Chomsky’s had to say…& not even touching on his geopolitical outlook.
Most of those who set out to smear Chomsky are entirely unfamiliar with what he’s actually stated, beyond the selective quoting of misleading rightwing disseminators whose worldview is threatened by the type of introspection which Chomsky elicits.
‘spits on him because he has diametrically opposite views on AGW.’
Yep, tru dat.
He has swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Shows he’s out of his depth, without a scintilla of scientific curiosity.
Delusional`s such as Limited-News, Nova, Monckton and yourself egg, totally misses the point that politicians are useless, gutted creatures, that at their best will produce a big-biz irritant that `appears` to be an environmental solution. But you clowns go around spouting junk-science and make yourself look foolish.
This has not changed.
http://730reportland.wordpress.com/?p=76
Toilet might remember ‘Manufacturing Consent’ and his model…. oh, the irony.
‘The propaganda model is a conceptual model in political economy advanced by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky that states how propaganda, including systemic biases, function in mass media. The model seeks to explain how populations are manipulated and how consent for economic, social and political policies is “manufactured” in the public mind due to this propaganda.
‘The theory posits that the way in which news is structured (through advertising, media ownership, government sourcing and others) creates an inherent conflict of interest which acts as propaganda for undemocratic forces.’
wiki
I still agree with that, el gordo…
Chomsky makes good sense.
It could be argued that both sides of the AGW debate attempt to manipulate the model to their benefit.
I have no axe to grind with Chomsky, being a supporter during my uni years, but on CC he has dropped the ball at a critical moment. Its not a good look.
‘But you clowns go around spouting junk-science and make yourself look foolish.’
We prefer to call it Post Normal Science, because the peer review system only takes warmist papers.
We look foolish now, but in a few years the Denialati will be victorious and you’ll be a little embarrassed.
By coincidence I have a professional clown staying at my place tonight, a circuit judge, a fireman and a couple of dodgy characters who look like they have just flown in on 457 visas … servicing vacuum cleaners.
“It could be argued that both sides of the AGW debate attempt to manipulate the model to their benefit.”
Yes the ‘model’
What utter crap that is.
When Mcdonalds charge exactly the same currency equivalent to GDP for a Big Mac in every single city, town, village, hamlet in every corner of the planet is the day I will agree that an ETS could be implemented worldwide.
Otherwise people are just full of absolute fucking bullshit
“But you clowns go around spouting junk-science and make yourself look foolish.”
Hilarious
Since when have predictions 1000 years into the future suddenly become “science”
I’ll need to study Zena the Starwoman on Page 83 closer it seems.
You can call us Clowns but there’s a village with a job vacancy for you.
‘Delusional`s such as Limited-News, Nova, Monckton and yourself egg’
The irony burns.
‘ ‘ clowns go around spouting junk-science ‘ ‘
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John-W and George-W chose big-oil and big-coal, not Kyoto.
Copenhagen collapsed.
Teabags are not bright enough to understand there is NOT the `political`will of our gutted western Govts to do anything more than generate noise and `token` irritants on this topic.
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Our gutted politicians now have no credibility nor global power on this topic. Any serious decision or action on global warming in the future, will not be taken by teh`west, but by Asia, and teh`west will only be 2nd`fiddles at best.
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(this shit belongs in your rubber-room egg, stop derailing)
“(this shit belongs in your rubber-room egg, stop derailing)”
Hear Hear!!!
hey good morning reb
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‘ ‘ In one of the emails, Brooks purportedly discussed the size of Coulson’s penis. It’s not clear if her estimation of his member was favorable or not. ‘ ‘
http://gawker.com/did-rebekah-brooks-fuck-rupert-murdoch-and-his-son-lach-926651851
great find armchair . ROFL
(this shit belongs in your rubber-room egg, stop derailing)
No talking about the weather then? Its been warm.
armchair_ ‘ ‘ exactly 730, as if anyone is giving voters what they want, that is the great disenchantment with politics, ‘ ‘
it seems to me, anything the little people get off Govt is a vote buying exercise, or an accidental by-product of gifting to the rich
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‘ ‘ the citizens are marginalised and ignored, the corporocracy rules.’ ‘
couldn`t agree more, our so-called democracy seems to me to be a corpocracy where monster-biz are 1st-class citizens and the people are 2nd-class citizens, they don`t even grant the `personal-Liberty`s to us (gay-marriage,voluntary-euthanasia)etc in the fear that monster-corp can`t make a buck off of it
Good morning 730. 🙂
So Kevin Rudd has now got two sons working for him … of all the politicians in this country, as a Queenslander he should know how we detest nepotism and cronyism … hallmarks of the Bjelke Petersen government and now Noddy Newman’s!
What a fkn moron … the first rule of recruitment … “Never employ family or friends!” …
Talk about a race to the bottom of the slime pit … its not as if the Rudd boys “need” a job … their mother is a millionaire … couldn’t she have employed them?
If you are going to break simple business/management rules … put ’em on the family payroll … not the one I pay for!
My son is in his forties, a senior manager and he occasionally asks me for advice … not the other way round!
Ludicrous … 21st Century? … you’d think it was the 12th Century the way politicians carry on!
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/prime-minister-kevin-rudd8217s-youngest-son-marcus-joins-labor8217s-digital-campaign-team/story-fnho52ip-1226689100368
“… put ‘em on the family payroll … not the one I pay for!……”
TB
My understanding is that they are both employed by the ALP
Nah TB, l think 25% of 18-25yo are not registered (state-or-fed.?) so this is probably an attempt to gather young voters and/via interweb promoting etc / lt may be good for Kevin07.
Breaking News: Roger Dean has been sentenced to life in prison over the 2011 Quakers Hill nursing home fire.
So yesterday Rudd “stubbed” smokers in the eye wuith a tax increase and today they leak that there will be a .5% “insurance levy” imposed on bank deposits > $100,000.
That’ll win over the pensioner vote when they realize the Banks will pass it onto them.
It’s hilarious
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“The federal government will prop up the budget bottom line by billions of dollars with a new levy on banks that will be badged as providing insurance in case future bailouts are needed.
The Australian Financial Review has learned that the government’s economic statement, set to be released Friday, will contain a deposit insurance levy as recommended by the Council of Financial Regulators, which will raise funds to underwrite any Australian bank should it need assistance in the future.
The proposed levy is between 0.5 per cent and 1 per cent on protected deposits up to $100,000.
A senior source said the levy would build up funds “over time”, but it is understood the revenue raised would be at least as much as the $5.3 billion that the increased tobacco excise, also to be unveiled on Friday, will raise.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets-live/markets-live-shares-defy-leads-20130801-2r0g6.html#ixzz2ag3RopTg
“That’ll win over the pensioner vote”
Rudd’s not interested in the blue rinse set… That’s talcum and Abbott’s domain…
My understanding is that they are both employed by the ALP
Prob’ly tru dat, Wally … grooming the hierarchy? Still not a good look …
lt may be good for Kevin07.
Mmmm, oo7, number don’t add up … target 25% of people 18-25 who don’t care whether they vote and lose 25% of ALL voters who do … sorry, the man’s a wanker!
As my family have all been taught its often what is perceived that is more important than what is reality … and , once you have a reputation its hard to get rid of …
Kevin Kumbak just might krumble with this … is the honeymoon over?
That’ll win over the pensioner vote when they realize the Banks will pass it onto them.
Yeah, I wonder just how many age pensioners have a 100 grand in the bank these days … 🙄
“Yeah, I wonder just how many age pensioners have a 100 grand in the bank these days ”
Quite a few via their superannuation funds like AMP, REST, etc…
It will be passed down the line via the yield they get on “Cash”
Then you also have those who have taken out reverse mortgages.
I expect a nice backlash unless its restricted to only some deposits
“Kevin Kumbak just might krumble with this … is the honeymoon over?”
If he puts the election off so he can go to the G20 he’ll be f**ked.
And watch the border protection issue blow up again. Its becoming increasingly obvious that people here in Sydney are getting very pissed off with the number of shootings being carried out by “bikies” of Middle Eastern origin.
The Question increasingly asked is “Where the F**k are all these guns coming from ?”
The Answer being widely accepted is ” Through our pathetically patrolled airports and coastal areas”.
Its no secret that Customs has ben hit hard by spending cuts.
By the way some of these bikies (mainly the Notorious Gang) dont even ride Harleys anymore. They get around in black luxury SUVs with blacked out windows.
‘ ‘ Rudd’s not interested in the blue rinse set,
That’s talcum and Abbott’s domain ‘ ‘
*retweet*
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TB_ ‘ ‘ Mmmm, oo7, number don’t add up ‘ ‘
‘ ‘ target 25% of people 18-25 who don’t care whether they vote ‘ ‘
with the social media probably, token.? wage for son/s.?
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‘ ‘ and lose 25% of ALL voters who do ‘ ‘
dis-agree with this
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‘ ‘ sorry, the man’s a wanker! ‘ ‘
maybe so, but he has always had a million more followers on twitter than Joolya or Mr-Rabbit and he did drag the alp into 2007/Govt, l agree largely with you on `perception`, and the perception is Kevin07 is popular.
“I wonder just how many age pensioners have a 100 grand in the bank these days … ”
Watch as Joe Hockey compares this to the unannounced midnight slug that the EU took out on Crypriot bank deposit holders.
730
When are you going to write like the rest of us rather than like a fucking telex* machine ?
*Showing my age now
Yep Deja Vu
Plenty of headkickers lining up to kick old Kevin around ………….LOL
And Gina and Twiggy are nowhere to be seen this time
http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/car-industry-to-launch-antifbt-media-blitz-20130731-2qz8i.html
Lordy Lordy just sat down for a mo with a cup of tea and the online Daily Mail’s freak show du jour when I spotted a new product: Thumbell. It is a tiny clip on weight for your thumb to build it up for texting purposes.
**When are you going to write like the rest of us rather than like a fucking telex* machine ?**
What’s a telex machine … ? 🙄
that`s the same old biz-moan as usual, biz should wise-up and use their clout to pay a straight profit tax and ditch all the claw-backs, but they are too greedy and stupid to do that
l don`t have a clue about telex
… that at their best will produce a big-biz irritant that `appears` to be an environmental solution…
yeah, notice whenever there was a public debate that the usual industry front men appeared on our TV’s to flog a ‘clean’ nuclear solution for australia, as if they can just talk us around to their view and forget the economic and safety concerns of the public. Fukushima has made them pull their heads in for a while though!
Talk about a race to the bottom of the slime pit … its not as if the Rudd boys “need” a job … their mother is a millionaire … couldn’t she have employed them?
That is annoying TB, but haven’t most politicians got a history of employing family and friends in jobs especially in their electorate offices? It’s become quite common. I don’t see that rudd, or turnbull should have to deny themselves the same benefits as other pollies because they are independently wealthy people. It’s either all in or all out IMO.
I don’t know why our ‘investigative’ media doesn’t highlight this stuff, how much a pollie’s family benefit from taxpayer funded largesse. I still can’t see why we have to pay for their partners and kids as they campaign and travel, the family are not elected reps. Then there is the overseas ‘study’ jaunt, we pay for a lovely family holiday. Nice employment entitlements they have given themselves! What other employer pays for the expenses of family members?
Tony abbott was justifying toll holdings tent city funding their trip yesterday saying that the opposition don’t get planes to use as the govt does.This was pretty misleading IMO, he as LOTO, gets car, plane travel and accommodation expenses paid. All politicians get travel and accommodation allowances don’t they? Isn’t that what their travel entitlements are for? Of course none of the media mentioned their travel entitlements though.
And a bicycle allowance too Armchair.
armchair_ ‘ ‘ our
‘investigative’TROLL media doesn’t highlight this stuff, how much a pollie’s family benefit from taxpayer funded largesse ‘ ‘*
exactly, l am not going to hyperventilate over this type of stuff sourced from Limited-News, or even FairFoxed, they are just too dodgey
It has just come to my notice that Jason Yates-sen Li will be taking on John Alexander in Bennelong. That has to be one in the bag for the ALP. Brilliant man. Attractive personality. Speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Dutch and German. Been based in Beijing for eight years.
Not Yates. yat
“Tony abbott was justifying toll holdings tent city funding their trip yesterday saying that the opposition don’t get planes to use as the govt does”
As usual you provide just half of the story.
Toll Ipec (refer to SMH) are already in talks with the government about supplying tents and logistics to Nauru. Morrison and a News journo were offered spare sets on a Toll Ipec charter flight. It was not a funded flight as such. There was no specially arranged flight.
Just a couple of spare seats thats all.
But hey………….dont let that interfere with your usual outrage
**When are you going to write like the rest of us rather than like a fucking telex* machine ?**
Why do we all have to write the same? Aren’t we allowed to be different? yeah, what is a telex machine??
…And Gina and Twiggy are nowhere to be seen this time…
Never underestimate the ability of rent seeking private enterprise to complain long and loud when cut off from taxpayer funding or profiteering at the expense of the taxpayer.
What kind of democracy is it when those who have more wealth get their voices heard over and above that of the general public?
“Been based in Beijing for eight years.”
LOL…………..yeah brilliant
I bet he has a real grip on local issues…………………………………………………………in Beijing
“…………..yeah, what is a telex machine??”
They appeared sometime after smoke signals, lanterns on hill tops and carier pigeons.
TB is a fake.
He remembers all of them
Just a couple of spare seats thats all.
But hey………….dont let that interfere with your usual outrage
You’ve become as rusted on as neil. You fail to see any conflict of interest in a company that benefits from govt contracts, funding a trip for a politician, a newsltd reporter and photographer for a planned propaganda exercise. An empty seat being given is still funding, as they didn’t pay the cost of it. And how do we even know the ’empty seat’ isn’t more coalition BS quickly thought up to take the heat off, they always get their big biz mates to back them up when caught out!
I don’t think so Walrus. Jason established a business in China helping Australian companies enter that market. He was the youth leader for the Republican movement in the late 90s. Very, very impressive. Future PM I would hazard.
Why was a News Ltd journalist chosen rather than one from the national broadcaster? I don’t think the answer needs to be spelt out.
“I don’t think so Walrus”
He is everything voters despise about politics especially on the ALP side. Yet another cronie with no idea about local issues parachuted into an electorate at the whim of Rudd.
People have had a gutful of that from the ALP.
He’s no chance against Alexander who by all accounts keeps a high profile in his seat unlike Maxine (Where is she ?) McKew.
Even if the electorate is 17% Chinese/Asian whatever he still wont win it for the ALP
Well we shall soon see Walrus. I remember him from years ago as an extraordinarily impressive young man. He is 41 now. I thought then he was destined for the glory and greatness of public office. He is a Star. Go Jason.
‘ ‘ Why was a News Ltd journalist chosen rather than one from the national broadcaster? ‘ ‘
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Dianne, over at my abc they aren`t fully integrated into the teabag system yet, (don`t worry,they will get there), while Limited-News offers the Tory`s the highest level in propaganda and damage control Mr-Rabbit could want.
Brilliant man. Attractive personality. Speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Dutch and German. Been based in Beijing for eight years.
And John Alexander? Well he … he … er, he was a tennis player … 🙂
Luv it!
Alexander will probably romp home — unfortunately! Another nodding head behind the speakers box. 🙄
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I have no idea what your talking about, Wally … I bet you still have a facsimile machine too …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando_(pigeon)
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And how do we even know the ‘empty seat’ isn’t more coalition BS quickly thought up to take the heat off, they always get their big biz mates to back them up when caught out!
I think that’s whole point right there, KL, too late, much too late! Timing is everything in business …
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Predictions from, Wally’s, old Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Ball coming out I see …
Absolutely 7.30. Coverage you can depend on. Disgraceful. A peep into the future????
I use a fountain pen Teeb. A fat little Mont Blanc which stains my fingers like those of a Dickinsian clerk. I can’t turn many things on these days. Too many buttons. Some of those are ‘stylishly’ concealed too. Why? I seek out redundant items. I don’t agree with you about John Alexander. Jason will charm the socks off the Bennelongers.
Di, I’m a bit of a technophile myself … love it just rebuilt, The Minister’s, PC for her …
… BUT, I too use a fountain pen for all my signatures … classic Sheaffer … must be … bloody hell, I just realised how old that pen IS!
… something I always used when I was working – used to blow them away when I took it out and as a consultant it was something they remembered you by … ( you know? That bloke with the silver fountain pen … ) … still has the same gold nib, beautifully worn in …
“I bet you still have a facsimile machine too … ”
LOL
I sure do !
And a typewriter
In case some “backdating” is required…………………………LOL
“Commando” was one of many I thought.
I’m sure I read somewhere that quite a few were used on Gold and Juno on D-Day and again on Operation Market Garden
What are you on about Walrus?
“What are you on about Walrus?”
TB’s homing pigeon link
Yep, Wally look up Dickin Medal … no don’t here ’tis …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickin_Medal
Don’t worry about, sreb, Wally, he doesn’t know everything … 🙂
sreb, Sword, Gold and Juno were the D-Day landing beaches for the Canadians and British …
American were Omaha*, and Utah (*Saving Private Ryan)
Operation Market Garden was made into the film “A Bridge Too Far” …
oh ok. 😯
Yesterday’s people are having a moment. 😉
😕
LOL @boss.. 😆
I could have a thousand conversations with my female friends and Sword, Gold and Juno would never arise. I had heard of Omaha. Vaguely.
I was playing ‘pullthechainwatchthemonkeydance’, TB.
No malice, or genuine ridicule intended.
I know all about Operation Market Garden. I also know what a fax & a telex machine is.
(It must almost be time for some musics; maybe this or this; but probably not this.)
“Sword, Gold and Juno”
I thought they were street names for MDMA…
Shows you where my mind’s at…. 😯
Good evening Meta.
How about Operation Ajax?
The snactys & associated Coalitionofthekillingophiles of the world like to play apologetics with, or more often just ignore, such undertakings & their present day implications.
Poisson = ichthyus?
Time for some musics?
IGUDESMAN & JOO: Carnegie Hall Morse Code, is really cool!
I just showed it to my youngster, a student of the piano. To reinforce practice . You can’t beat it!
They sound tight as a mfkn drum!
Enjoyed those Musiks Meta. Typewriter had a great sound. Fabulous machine. All those inky little letters hammering away, the ‘o’ malevolently punching a hole in the page. Testing testing The qwink Wed fix jumped oar h laze brone dig. The qwick …….
I think “Operation Sovereign Borders” has a really exciting and dynamic ring to it.
I think Daniel Craig will play Tony Abbott in the telemovie! Seth Rogen – Joe Hockey, Jerry Lewis – Scott Morrison.
“I could have a thousand conversations with my female friends and Sword, Gold and Juno would never arise. I had heard of Omaha. Vaguely.”
So Dianne is trying to convince us lads that she has never discussed a bloke called Juno born in Utah Educated in Omaha with a gold ring. Orange hair Brandishing a huge sword,
Yeah right
How dickulous of her
Eddie Obeid is going to “blow the joint up” based on his comments today.
This will be very funny.
‘How dickulous of her’
The donah is nucking futs.
T-Boss, I first ran into Chomsky in the 70’s when he was carrying water for the Vietnamese communists and doing his level best to suggest that criticisms of Pol Pot were overwrought.
Chomsky is quite good with words, much like Goebbels. For a brief moment, I actually thought I might adopt his style which basically consists of casting doubt on facts and sources that are contrary to his position and latching on to any slight report, no matter how flimsy, that supports his position. Obviously if you becoming a prominent (and predictable) advocate for all things anti-American leads to fame and fortune. I reckon I could do it, but I couldn’t handle the intellectual dishonesty involved. That is why I’ve never joined a political party or loyally followed one side or the other.
Chomsky also reminds me of another admired “intellectual”, Edward Said. Said’s Orientalism is a much lauded (by the left) analysis that barely passes the giggle test, based as it is on a one-sided selection of facts with no attempt to come up with a balanced view. This is precisely Chomsky’s MO.
I’ve read Manufacturing Consent and as usual for Chomsky there is some food for thought. But it is a very one-sided view and increasingly irrelevant as the left colonise more and more of the mainstream media. Conversely Chomsky has made his fortune manufacturing dissent. A fortune he protects with tax haven trusts all the while criticising corporations who do the same.
His attempts to trivialise Pol Pot’s genocide reveal his style. Whereas others who fell for the leftist line (like Ben Kiernan) have since just admitted they got it wrong, Chomsky seems incapable of admitting his bad judgment. Robert Manne called him out over his intellectual dishonesty as have others. This is not a trivial or isolated matter – it typifies Chomsky’s greatest flaws – blind ideological bias and vanity.
Dammit! I just typed a lengthy response…then fkn lost it! grrrrr
I might reattempt to post it a bit later, but essentially it said…
* I agree about Pol Pot, obviously
* Putting US geopolitical self motivations under extreme scrutiny is a public service
* Vladimir & I are today enjoying the US’s public rancour as Russia has granted Snowden temporary asylum
* Whistleblowing, there should be more of it
* Genuine libertarians should be concerned about aggressive pursuit, by the US (& others), of people like Snowden
* The US public is rightfully outraged that their government spies on them, but largely couldn’t give two squirts about how they violate the world outside of their borders
* American Exceptionalism makes me puke…
* l agree with dunny, and add
* Brad Manning
* Assange / Wikileaks
* Yank run Gulags, they call `blacksites` like Gitmo
* Torturing the prisoners, unlimited detention
* Vladimir & I are today enjoying the US’s public rancour as Russia has granted Snowden temporary asylum
(ha ha) Just saw washington spokesman moaning about Snowden getting asylum for a year. l don`t know how Ruskee`s feel about Prez Vlad, but l have enjoyed him, as he stands up to the yanks.
I’ve read Manufacturing Consent and as usual for Chomsky there is some food for thought. But it is a very one-sided view and increasingly irrelevant as the left colonise more and more of the mainstream media. Conversely Chomsky has made his fortune manufacturing dissent. A fortune he protects with tax haven trusts all the while criticising corporations who do the same.
It is this mindset that simply amazes me, this constant rant of those on teh right, that the left have some kind of influence in the mainstream media. The media is dominated by right wing radio, TV and newspapers, shockjocks are screaming their tits off about everything under the sun, the media is highly concentrated with very few other voices even being heard. Australia has even more concentration in ownership than in the US and the UK.
It is simply astounding that the accusation can even be made [unless, somehow it is in jest!]. Seems right wing zealots prefer to exist in a little cocoon where no other opinions except those in line with their own are ever heard. if they hear one opposing view, the commies are taking over!! Can you honestly say right wing megaphones like andy bolt, alan jones, ray hadley etc don’t have influence and numerous media outlets for their views to be peddled?
Why is it that the right demand that people who criticise their country’s government, foreign and domestic policy, should never be able to have any wealth? Apparently they should live on the streets begging for food and shelter because they criticise the powerful systems and institutions that rule the globe. Chomsky has been an academic for decades and he never looks or acts to be hugely wealthy to me. Tell me why he should not be paid for public speaking engagements?
Snowden is a hero for exposing the unconstitutional data collection activities of the US government. No government can be trusted with that much data. Essentially Snowden has done his job. The persecution of him by the US government is disgraceful and clearly designed to deter other citizens from exposing government abuses.
If Snowden goes further and reveals, say, details of how the US collects intelligence on other countries then he is not adding to what he has already disclosed so much as aiding the US’s enemies. That is a line I hope he does not cross.
I don’t know why you would celebrate with Putin. The Russian way of dealing with these things is to kill people like Snowden. And this brings us to the next point.
The US, whether it is exceptional or not, is a great and ongoing experiment in liberty and democracy. The process by which it worked out it’s system of government is truly remarkable, a milestone in the history of freedom. And it would probably be impossible to replicate today. Modern intellectuals have largely walked away from the classical values of Greece and Rome that enabled the Founding Fathers to come up with the US constitution and system of government. The contemporaneous French attempt resulted in the guillotine and, as Edmund Burke so presciently predicted, a military takeover.
Without the US, you and I would probably have died in some gulag by now, much to the joy of the craven Western intellectuals who spent so much time denigrating the US and supporting communist regimes. Chomsky, who was far from the worst in this regard, took a generally benign view of communist regimes. He thought that communism had produced a just society in China. And that wasn’t long after the cultural revolution which saw the death of 30 million people. He saved his bile for the US and seemed unable to subject communist regimes to the same jaundiced criticism.
I think that a lot of US foreign policy has been mistaken to put it mildly. But I can’t think of any other regime I would like to see as a dominant superpower. It will happen soon enough I guess, maybe it will be Russia or China. Then, I suspect, the US will look relatively benign in the scheme of things.
We live in a time of great personal liberty in many countries. This will inevitably decline as even democratic countries allow power to become more centralised. There will be more of the type governmental over-reach exposed by Snowden and more paternalism which will, by degrees, become prescriptive enforcement of the new leftist pieties.
Vladimir & I are today enjoying the US’s public rancour as Russia has granted Snowden temporary asylum…
I know, it’s such a farce.
People who really are whistleblowers, those who bring the true workings of our governments [who are supposedly acting on behalf it’s citizens] to light are denied whistleblower status and treated as treasonous enemies of the state who must be locked up for life. While those who work in secret, protected by state and industry collusion [they work together against the interests of the public] lying and scheming behind the scenes, performing gross invasions of citizens privacy and repressing any dissent from their own public are rewarded with honours, accolades and wealth.
Allan kessing and andrew wilkie both genuine whistleblowers have been treated shamefully, demonised mercilessly and in the case of kessing received a jail sentence . The only ones who seem to be accepted by governments as true whistle blowers and don’t receive any punishment are those who leak and act for conservative interests against unions or ‘teh left’ [kathy jackson, grech – both allowed to have sudden mental illness]. Andrew bolt was illegally leaked a classified report to damage wilkie, he illegally made it public and has never been brought before a court or made to account for it in any way.
It is this mindset that simply amazes me, this constant rant of those on teh left, that the right have some kind of influence in the mainstream media. The media is dominated by leftists screaming their tits off about everything under the sun, the media is highly concentrated with very few other voices even being heard. Australia has even more concentration in ownership than in the US and the UK.
The ABC, which is the biggest news organisation in the country, has been corrupted and colonised by a cabal of leftist creeps. This blatant misappropriation of public property is disgusting but typical. Fairfax is, if you hadn’t noticed, of the leftist persuasion and as it becomes more predictably leftist it’s circulation is declining.
Leftists have tried their hand at radio talkback, but if you put up vain, dumb, smug poltroons like Mike Carlton, they aren’t going to last long, except on ABC radio which is widely accessible but little listened to.
I think that a lot of US foreign policy has been mistaken to put it mildly. But I can’t think of any other regime I would like to see as a dominant superpower.
Why do we need a dominant super power? You accept wrong doing and terrible abuse of power against other nations and other peoples, including their own, because you are scared of everyone else?
The ABC, which is the biggest news organisation in the country, has been corrupted and colonised by a cabal of leftist creeps. This blatant misappropriation of public property is disgusting but typical. Fairfax is, if you hadn’t noticed, of the leftist persuasion and as it becomes more predictably leftist it’s circulation is declining.
Absolute rubbish, ideological nonsense. Can’t call any of those organisations anywhere near ‘left’ in reporting or opinion, they are very much mainstream and right wing.
Can you tell me anyway, what is wrong with having the opinions of the left represented? if you call labor ‘the left’ [I don’t] they represent half the voters of the country, shouldn’t that voice be heard?
oh really Splatter, folks hyperventilating about FairFox, Limited-News and my ABC keep overlooking are often not comparing apples with apples. They serve different purposes and are different platforms.
splattering_ ‘ ‘ whether it is exceptional or not, is a great and ongoing experiment in liberty and democracy ‘ ‘
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No it`s not. lt is a bullshit democracy like mine which offers it`s voters/citizens a non-choice.
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Liberty.? Only for the super-rich, free to destroy Iraq and profiteer, blackwell to torture in their blacksite gulags, big-oil to destroy the gulf or the sound(exxon) at the expense of their local folk.
“Absolute rubbish, ideological nonsense.”
No wonder your perspective is warped. There aren’t many people as far left as you KL.
You can hit me with as many hackneyed ideological cliches as you like, RL. I’m not arguing that the experiment is not flawed or that it is even going in an upward direction these days. But it is better, in terms of basic liberties, than any country run by dumbfuck leftists. Who would you like to see as the world’s dominant superpower?
splattering_ ‘ ‘ Without the US, you and I would probably have died in some gulag by now ‘ ‘
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With the Yanks, many allies have died in un-needed wars, Vietnam, Korea and the current Afghan/Iraq disasters, based on a pack of lies. Not to mention the many deaths of these Nations citizens, who the yanks killed, coz they could.
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Blacksite yank gulags have tortured and murdered people, that were not enemy-fighters, but merely unfortunate citizens. Are you aware of `collateral-murder` the video Manning released.? That was only a small example of yanks murdering coz they could. The yanks also attacked a street full of unarmed people, yanks killed 175. Coz they could.
Retardland you have reduced yourself to a spluttering fool. You haven’t addressed my question, nor even the quote you used in your last post.
whats the timestamp splatter , l missed the question
?splattering_ ‘ ‘ Who would you like to see as the world’s dominant superpower?’ ‘
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like to see.? easy, none.
But as a powerless working-class person, l also have no ability to influence this one iota.
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The reality is teh yanks are in decline and asia on the rise.
Teabags shouldn`t moan and groan about this tho, as they are the one`s that handed all the jobs and industry`s over to them. Three cheers for `teh-west`
?splattering_ ‘ ‘ Who would you like to see as the world’s dominant superpower?’ ‘
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like to see.? easy, none.
What a silly right wing, redneck question and a no brainer answer (no disrespect 0007) …
Just so fkn obvious it hurts! Who goes ta war?
none taken TB 🙂 (the stoopid, it hurts)
What is really stupid is to assume that there will not be a dominant superpower. Even worse would be a situation where there isn’t one. Someone has to do the job. Bosnia is a classic example. Of course Chomsky opposed the US involvement there as well.
“I don’t know why you would celebrate with Putin.”
I meant that tongue in cheek! 😉
I’m under no illusions that Vlad is using Snowden to make hay.
I’m on the record here several times noting that Putin is a huge concern. There’s no way I’d want to live in his Russia. You see, I’ve read quite a bit wider than just Chomsky. I’m no stereotype. I absolutely realise that Russia has zero tolerance for much dissent (Pussy Riot etc, etc…let alone serious dissent).
He’s thumbing his nose at the US.
Snowden had little choice but to take asylum there. His homeland had intimidated all other possible destinations for his refuge. Still, it’s not beyond clandestine US forces to liquidate him wherever he is. They are certainly not above such things.
I make no apologies for being pleased that they didn’t just get their man.
“I’m no stereotype.”
I know that very well. And that is meant as a compliment.
AS to Chomsky – we are all allowed a guilty pleasure or two. And besides he sometimes makes sense.
Vlad didn`t take any crap off George-W when they rammed the Kursk. l wouldn`t expect Vlad to take any shit off Obama over Snowden. l enjoy that Vlad irritates the yank Govts.
“….Vlad didn`t take any crap off George-W when they rammed the Kursk”
That’s confirmation enough that you really are off with the fairies
‘And besides he sometimes makes sense.’
Yes indeed and that’s how I was wooed, but a true philosopher should not have been so readily blindsided on matters concerning our biosphere.
His words still resonate, yet he fails to see the irony of mass delusion.
‘ ‘ That’s confirmation enough that you really are off with the fairies ‘ ‘
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accountants should stick to their narrow vision information sources and believe what they are told and never check the grassy knoll
“accountants should stick to their narrow vision information sources and believe what they are told and never check the grassy knoll”
And I suppose Elvis lives next door as well……………….?
accountants should do some research on how vessels yank submarines have rammed or or surfaced under, damaging and sinking the vessels and killing people, take your abacus with ya 🙂
research on how MANY vessels yank submarines
Good work staff.
We must be doing something correct.
The Coffee-2 organisation is preferring to quote our organisation,
instead of our sister publications owned by Rupert.
http://theaimn.com/2014/02/08/julie-bishops-snafu-moments/
Well done to all staff.
I love the first sentence
“On February 2, Insiders began their commentary for 2014. As usual, they included a right wing voice for “balance”.
So lefties admit that the ABC is biased. From the sounds of it they do not want any conservatives on the ABC
Kneel you factlees teabagg nong the only Bias at the ABC is your perception of it, take the pirate patch off your left eye, clean your other ear out and maybe stop watching it hanging from the cieling with your radio dial glued to 2UE….PS the BOLt Bullshit bilge is on 10 not the ABC…..
http://www.theguardian.com/media/datablog/2014/feb/06/australian-broadcasting-corporation-australia
‘A 2013 Essential poll on trust in different media organisations has ABC TV news and current affairs as the most trusted, with 70% saying they had total, a lot, or some trust in the ABC.’
This is why the right has to disembowel this monstrous disgrace, the electorate is kept in the dark.
Ricky, sometimes the endless, mindless, teabag chanting needs to be turned off, as it never changes. l would suggest setting some filters on your email to filter out certain chanters.
Some of them are also paid-per-comment to spam blogs, as blogs deliver an email, so if you filter them out, the spam company can just waste its cash on the dills for nothing.
By the way, the chanting teabag spammers are always spouting identical crap you would get off the ipa, denier, mr-rabbit, bolt, Limited-News as stock standard, so my bet is you have already heard too much of this crap.
Yeah Teabag I hear ya mate, my fucktoid filter meeds to be notched up to ignore ignorence 🙂
“PS the BOLt Bullshit bilge is on 10 not the ABC…..”
Exactly.
The ABC would never give someone like Bolt a show. And people like Bolt are supported by 40% of the population.
Labor wins Griffith.
””Labor wins Griffith.”””
Yeah Dumpty, it was pretty certain it would not go teabag.
#go-watermelon #go-clive
dog bless the fcuktoid filter Ricky. 🙂
Labor Wins Griffith
One small step for Labor … one tiny step for Oz … 🙄
Redcliffe will be interesting, Yvette D’ath, (ALP) was a seat warmer in the Fed Government … just another lawyer with her snout in the trough …
Kerri-Anne Dooley, (LNP) a nurse-educator is ex-Family First* … obviously still trying to get her snout in the same trough … shifting from FF to LNP demosntrates a hard nosed attempt at “getting in’ at all costs …
*the FF perspective in a nurse educator has got to make you shudder a bit … especially if she ever becomes a pollie … and another catlik … 🙄
Wow! At last I got a website from where I be able to in fact
take useful information regarding my study and knowledge.
I’m not so sure about that Ralf, you ‘d need to skip TB’s & Tom R’s comments. But if you stick to reading mine and you’ll learn lots.
ToM hasn’t changed much since 2014 … BOO!