“Get fucked”: Turnbull staffer turns on blogger!
One of Malcolm Turnbull’s senior staffers has sent a popular Australian technology blogger a caustic email telling him to “get fucked” and informing him that “nobody takes your psychotic rantings seriously”, as the relationship between Turnbull and sections of Australia’s technology community continues to sour.
The blogger concerned, Steve Jenkin, runs a popular local blog entitled ‘Stevej on NBN’. Jenkin, who is a long-time IT professional, is well-known for his regular articles severely criticising the Coalition’s National Broadband Network policy and praising Labor’s policy. Recent headlines on his site have labelled the Coalition’s fibre to the node-based policy a “financial disaster” which will lose the Federal Government “billions”, for example, and Jenkin has also attempted to fact-check a number of key Coalition assertions.
Although Jenkin has taken a broadly partisan approach in his work, his blog is read by some elements of Australia’s technology community. Jenkin has also engaged directly with technology journalists in an effort to get his ideas publicised more widely, and has succeeded in having his articles published on some media outlets, such as Technology Spectator. In addition, Jenkin has also engaged with Turnbull’s office directly, in an attempt to obtain more information about the Coalition’s NBN policy.
Jenkin published one of those interactions on his blog yesterday, consisting of an email exchange between the blogger and Stephen Ellis, a policy advisor who works directly for Turnbull and is believed to have directly responsible for helping to develop the Coalition’s NBN policy, as well as the background briefing document which was released alongside the policy in March. Ellis has an extensive background in both journalism and technology; details of which can be found online.
In his blog post, Jenkin noted that he was seeking detailed information from Ellis with regard to the figures which went in to the Coalition’s NBN policy, especially associated with the Coalition’s projected wholesale costs associated with its future NBN vision. “I wrote to a senior Turnbull staffer, asking a reasonable commercial question that [retail ISPs] should know before the election, so they might review their business plans and start contingency planning,” wrote Jenkin.
In response, Ellis severely rejected Jenkin’ email and attacked him personally, according to the email published on Jenkin’ site. “I mark your emails ‘junk’ (like your copy) so didn’t see your note until [Communications Day publisher Grahame Lynch] replied,” wrote Ellis.
“Nobody challenges your numbers because nobody takes your psychotic rantings seriously. Nobody. Nevertheless they are all wrong. All of them – you don’t have a clue about the existing deal, much less how it might be modified. Given what you write is a delusional fantasy that exists only in your own mind, you can get fucked.”
Malcolm Turnbull has since issued a statement of “regret” following his staffer’s outburst.
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Do the LibNits really have a policy on anything? Or just a few ideas, that, when someone challenges them, are revealed a simply nonsense …
“Given what you write is a delusional fantasy that exists only in your own mind, you can get fucked.”
Wish I’d written that. 😉
Pretty much their attitude to any questions on policy, costings and truthiness. Joe Hockey does a similar line.
A good article, I share the views expressed.
No rewards for political foresight:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/jones-no-rewards-for-political-foresight/4868968
best comment so far:
Itisia:
07 Aug 2013 12:26:15pm
Thanks Dr. Goh – Dick Smith also said that only cancer cells and
economists call for constant growth.
This will be the most uninspiring election.
Its really simple…Turnbull is bullshitting about Vectoring and this lame assed solution, which will cost lots more in the long run in maintenance and involves tripling points of failure. His faraudband works on theoretical speeds in the lab delivered of an aging network that is falling apart. W Its like trying to run A trucking firm with a fleet of Hyundi excells with double bogey box trailers…..Whilst he is postulating with the rest of the world…Google cable is delivering exactly what the NBN is delivering now..1 gig ps modems up and down. Thats why we all have the shits because he is poo pooing every engineer in the country who pulls apart his premise party. Turnbull is not and engineer he is a merchant banker who inside traded and knows a few acronyms….fucking dangerous. TB QLD you are on the money there son..worst thing is dickheads that follow them cant take criticism too, as I said to a bloke only last week, are you gonna believe a pamphlet or me who has build large wide area networks? Silence…. defining silence…..
He is an acronym bullshit machine…
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/7/technology/would-turnbull-albanese-nbn-debate-really-be-worth-it?
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/6/technology/why-foxtel-fears-neither-nbn? Both those articles come from News owned sites…
Wish I’d written that.
You’d need to actually write posts tho’, ToSY, as opposed to cut ‘n’ pastes …
… go on, ‘ave a go … be original, say something daring, write your own thoughts down …
… take the challenge of being challenged, personally, tell us something about YOU … what do YOU think … what’s your opinion not just the quote of someone else …
… c’mon engage … 😉
All right TB. How’s this then?
Get fucked!
Hi Ricky. I watched that clip and whilst I’m no Turnbull fan, I can’t see what’s wrong with what he said.
What I can see is a bunch of pissed off tech heads who got promised billions would get spent on them and can see it going elsewhere.
Mr-Talkbull would do a lot better controlling his office email and having fewer `godwin` moments, instead of lending his arse and credibility to Mr-Rabbits cattle-class nbn Rupert sniffing. (go abbot!)
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l guess TB and l will now have to put up with technology-free rantings from our teabags led by oh-snacky`osy. (go abbott!)
LOL TB
More garbage from Ricky about Foxtel fearing the NBN
Foxtel does not give a flying fuck about how its content is delivered. It sells advertising if you might not have noticed and subscriptions to view.
The delivery aparatus is completely fucking irrelevant.
But that’s far too difficult a concept for many Lefties top grasp.
Holy fuck………………………….Foxtel is now delivered over the internet. But the idiot Left will still maintain that Foxtel fears the NBN
Has someone been handing out free “unhinged” pills this afternoon?
Go Abbott!
Yay for two tin cans & a roll of twine!
What I can see is a bunch of pissed off tech heads who got promised billions would get spent on them and can see it going elsewhere.
Is that not valid? Especially when the billions of fraudband $ will be lining the pockets of only a few filthy rich and the public will get an inferior product deemed to be “all that we need”. Well, we want the best product, something that we will support collectively through our taxes, something that will take us into the future, something that is not outdated before it is even produced. All australians should share in the NBN, not just a wealthy few.
Like offering to improve public transport in the country and knocking back a fast train system because a steam engine will still get you from A to B.
Those with the knowledge, the expertise and the qualifications are no longer allowed to criticise and show up the fraud that is a taxpayer funded coalition policy?
Similar story to the voices of the environmental scientists being demonised and drowned out by industry driven campaigns to protect their interests. The wishes of the public don’t figure in any of this, only protection of profits and predatory rent seeking by a wealthy few.
When a bunch of rich people get pissed off because they might lose some $, they scream and shout and take their protest [and their threats of capital strike] to the government, the streets, the back of trucks, the media and the public in a huge campaign, one that only the wealthy can afford.
accountants clearly understand little to nothing,
Rupert obviously fears other platforms,as he is always on the attack,
1/ wants BBC shut
2/ wants ABC shut
(remember he is a yank now)
3/ has his trollumnists screeching about nbn
4/ doesn`t understand internet (myspace.com)
“accountants clearly understand little to nothing,”
Unlike you who understand nothing.
If you don’t have “content” then you don’t have anything to sell you nutcase.
“1/ wants BBC shut
2/ wants ABC shut”
So does every media owner you idiot
‘ ‘ If you don’t have “content” then you don’t have anything to sell ‘ ‘
which has nothing to do with BBC/ABC, Ruperts content farms produce copius amounts of drivel, no limitation to that drivel is set by BBC/ABC
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‘ ‘ ‘ So does every media owner ‘ ‘ ‘
so fcuking wot,
all private media are running their org`s into the ground,
all under their own steam,
has nothing to do with the BBC/abc
“…………Well, we want the best product, something that we will support collectively through our taxes,……………….”
Oh…………..and here I was all reassured that it was commercially viable.
Seeems not
Surprised not
You Lefties are not even consistent in your claims that the NBN is commercially viable it now seems
“…..all private media are running their org`s into the ground,
all under their own steam,………..”
One of these days you’ll get something right……………………but I wont hold my breath.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/rupert-murdoch-stuck-in-sideshow-alley-as-stellar-results-land-20130807-2remn.html
‘ ‘ ‘ commercially viable’ ‘ ‘ ‘
we are all still waiting for the accountants to show us the `viable`, cost benefit analysis for,
1/ snowy scheme
2/ electricity grid
3/ telecom
4/ aust. post
5/ telegraph
6/ gas system
7/ water and sewers
would any of these pass your screech test today.?
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ running their org`s into the ground,’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
1/ myspace.com
2/ news of teh world
3/ network 10
4/ network 9
5/ teh-oz is a basket case -$25mill
6/ fox entertainment divorced `news`division
7/ FairFox
8/ magazines
armchair_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ” fast train system ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
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l reckon this would be a waste, Syd-Melb or Syd-Bris just under 3-hours on fast-train,
verses, discount flights, 1-hour flights, f-train would not get the main travelers, we need to know the `between-capitals` traveler volume to even know IF this is viable, a great idea for 1975, but we have most likely left it too late
‘Similar story to the voices of the environmental scientists being demonised and drowned out….’
Its like this, temperatures have remained flat for 17 years and the Klimatariat has pleaded for another few years because they think the missing heat is in the deep oceans. This AGW scam is on its last legs.
So they deserve to be demonised.
don`t you have your very-own gas-chamber for this crap.?
“we need to know the `between-capitals` traveler volume to even know IF this is viable”
What, you mean like a “`viable`, cost benefit analysis”?
Guffaw.
Kittylitter: “I want the best product and I want the rich people to buy it for me.”
I am sure, that if you are prepared to direct your hardearned to the cause, Telstra will roll out a nice piece of fibre to your home from the node for you.
730 seems to have got busy since the election was called…..
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ you mean like a “`viable`, cost benefit analysis”? ‘ ‘ ‘
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l would have thought a c-b-analysis would be at hand, with all the `accountants` we have in this place.
Kittylitter: “I want the best product and I want the rich people to buy it for me.”
That’s BS, I want everybody in australia to have the best product and I am prepared to pay my fair share in taxes to support it. The rich people won’t be buying anything for me, they will only buy it for themselves and they won’t be paying their fair share of taxes either, they’ll get rebates and subsidies paid by those poor people who can’t afford the product.
don`t you have your very-own gas-chamber for this crap.?
Never misses an opportunity. Can we have a ‘egg alert’ for his continued, vexatious attempts to de-rail every single thread?
‘don`t you have your very-own gas-chamber for this crap.?’
Now you really are starting to piss me off… its a wubber womb. Anyhoo now the election has been called the editor won’t mind.
In other nooze, Albo caught drinking with Tommo.
‘Grainy but identifiable photos were doing the rounds showing Mr Albanese having a drink last night with the expelled ALP MP, at a downtown Sydney watering hole, the Bavaria Bar.’
Higgins/Oz
‘Never misses an opportunity. Can we have a ‘egg alert’ for his continued, vexatious attempts to de-rail every single thread?’
I was surprised you had the audacity to bring it up on this thread, knowing my obsession. Under the rules I have right of reply to your outlandish comment.
“IF this is viable”
How fucking hilarious are you saying that and then attempting to defend the NBN with your dyslexic writings and hysterical ravings and rantings.
Did you notice Rupert’s News and Fox made a few Billion today ?Seems he can afford a few errors and still make Billions.
I’d hardly say that’s running things into the ground. Only an absolute idiot would take that stance.
Oh I forgot…………………………I was replying YOU wasn’t I
What if FTTN could be rolled out in a couple of years then FTTP was rolled out gradually after that as the copper deteriorated?
heads-up armchair, (in case you missed previous drop)
http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-beam-in-your-own-eye.html
“I want everybody in australia to have the best product and I am prepared to pay my fair share in taxes to support it.”
So $45 Billion NBN (being very generous with that estimate) divided by 8,000,000 taxpayers lets say = $5,625 per taxpayer.
I’ll send Mr Albanese around to your joint straight away
accountant_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Did you notice Rupert’s News’ ‘ ‘
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l just don`t really give a fcuk. l don`t go to Limited sites, (except for the links you guys drop,) they can stay or go, it won`t matter to me. You are sniffing the blurt from his blogs and taking it as gospel. Your problem. Not mine.
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l haven`t considered them `news` for at least a decade now, just propaganda.
Kevette is going to appear live on the 730 report tonight.
accountant_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ attempting to defend the NBN’ ‘ ‘ ‘
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the fast-train talking-point is already old technology, and unclear if it not be a white elephant, probably 10-to-15 times cost of nbn, but you `cheer-lead` AND-THEN
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hyperventilate ruperts blurt about the nbn, which IS the technology of the future
“l just don`t really give a fcuk.”………………..about the truth
You forgot a bit
oh snacky_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ What if FTTN could be rolled out’ ‘ ‘ ‘
then make the request for your house snacky,
you can wait as long as you want for your phone,
‘ ‘ ‘ Kevette is going to appear ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ live’ ‘ ‘ ‘
l hope they didn`t stick him with Toolman so we can get a solid interview with Sales.
I notice snacky has been visiting far more since the election was called! 😆
Go Abbott!
lt seems like the `accountants` have finished `thunderbirding`(Go_Rupert)
I run in cycles…..
But I think Ol’ 730 may as well give up. His party clearly has.
More Crap?….The delivery aparatus is completely fucking irrelevant.
Well you’re a fucking genius. See these are the morons you have to deal with when contending with technical stuff :ROLL: …. who owns foxtel’s delivery infrastructure dickhead…?
sbs1 news, small-biz is bitching about paying tax and `employment`(but not specific), too bad they didn`t complain in the `golden`Howard era and reign in the loopholes and gifts for monster-foreign-biz. Now, probably too late.(Go_Howard!)
All right TB. How’s this then?
Get fucked!
LOL! Typical Liberal Party Staffer!
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The delivery aparatus is completely fucking irrelevant.
Oh, yes it does, Wally … smart TV’s streaming from Pirate Bay for free stuffs Foxtel’s (and your’s ) model right up! They’re in trouble now anyway, just like newspapers …
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VFT – I agree with 007 … planes work better for people transport – however for goods trains work better than bloody great trucks on highways!
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What if FTTN could be rolled out in a couple of years then FTTP was rolled out gradually after that as the copper deteriorated?
It will cost more … start – stop replacement and repairs take longer as you need to organise the same resources over and over again instead of once … costs time and money just to organise … add to that the constantly increasing costs of labour and resources and it really IS a waste …
Sales did her best, and a pretty reasonable job, but Kevin07 handled her. Next time Mr-Rabbit is on Sales will handle him. (Go abbott!)
TB, for the bit that l`ve seen on fast-trains, they do `limited` cargo, baggage, postal, etc, within weight limits, not `industrial` weights, if you follow
I just can believe that supposedly intelligent people cant see that you have to dig up the street twice, put in twice as much equipment with triple the points of failure for 1/5 the speed that is not scalable…. on a derelict copper network… People the copper network is fucked….:roll:
Despite all Turnbulls bullshit..BT have stopped vectoring as its a waste of money and gone strait to Fiber, Google just got sick of the whole thing and did their own network…
https://fiber.google.com/about/
http://www.eweek.com/networking/google-fiber-continues-kansas-city-area-expansion/
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/07/google-australias-engineering-director-explains-why-we-dont-need-fiber/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ dig up the street twice, put in twice as much equipment with triple the points of failure’ ‘ ‘
We have plenty of Rupert/Abbott thunderbirds here Ricky, unlimited stupidity.
Cost of NBN is heading north.
Contract renewals show that there have been big losses among those building it, they underestimated the cost of union agreements, manning levels, productivity.
NBN has been unable to provide a consistent flow of work which incurs costs in ramping up and down all the time.
Big cost increases flow.
Thunderbirds, Muppets, Teabags and Accountants may be satisfied with current political reporting.(Go_abbott!) l am not. l am not alone.
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Robert McChesney writes, “democratic theory posits that society needs journalism to perform three main duties: to act as a rigorous watchdog of the powerful and those who wish to be powerful; to ferret out truth from lies; and to present a wide range of informed positions on key issues” (2004, p. 57). When’s the last time you saw Fairfax or News Ltd do any of those things? ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
http://newswithnipples.com/2013/08/07/its-time-to-get-new-journalists-because-these-ones-are-borked/
“ROLL: …. who owns foxtel’s delivery infrastructure dickhead…?”
The NBN does you fucking idiot as soon as it rolls into any street.
Read the agreement you Dickhead.
And it cost the Taxpayer 11Billion you fuckwit !
Dont Keep Rolling your eyes by the way.
No brain will you ever find !
All this coming from a anonymous twat that calls himself the areshole walrus…no balls aye.?
Hey toss pot read the fucking agreement…There are a few more than one genius. One with Foxtel and Telstra. One with NBN co and Telstra. None with News and NBN Co. and it was 8 billion and that does not include the cable ducts or the real estate.. ROLL ROLL ROLL .
News does not need Telstra anymore but their services will be heavily discounted as will be their “advertising” THEY ARE A CONTENT PROVIDER….They don’t want the NBN nor Google Fiber nor Netfix…get it..competition, less subscriptions, less money.
You may have heard of a little tern called “Convergence” Uncle rupert hates it because he is a totalitarian murdochracy…no thats not a leftist plot..he makes the commos look like a quilt stitching soup kitchen….. Yep here we go another eye roll 🙄
Mate you are indicative of most of the ill informed dick heads out there with a just ad rupert opinion…Who is going to build this..20 years later after deregulation? not the “market forces”. that the fiberals predicted would swarm to the honey pot… where are they? Vodafail? Optus?…hello…hello? lines gone head..must be raining…seems we have a copper problem… maybe another HR joint in between your fucking ears….30 years industry experience at the top end here.. Getting a bit sick of the politicisation and policy envy of infrastructure. The debate is full of fucking.intellectual pygmies like yourself. Soon as politics is in play they read a fiberal pamphlet and all of a sudden they are experts………
Malcome Turnbull never built anything..he brought shares in a company two blokes set up in a garage then inside traded and sold it for a fuck load of profit… He is a merchant wanker…and I suspect the wanker part is why you like him so much…roll roll roll
And Tom yes you are right…We were one of the first countries in the world to start installing fiber on major trunk routs in the early 80’s. Then because of deregulation and politicisation, most of our fiber expertise has dwindled or gone offshore. Its a problem. Most of the copper network is falling apart because it is maintained by private cowboys, no records anymore its a national disgrace, There is nobody in the Fiberal party that can have a reasonable debate about this. Even my conservative friends are gobsmacked by the stupidity and arrogance of Turnbull…..case in point… Cue Muppets theme
Oh and 730..spot on mate..we are on the same page…vision does not need a cost analysis report..accountants write checks and ledgers they don’t make things..they count beans,not make em..
Go Abbott!
Making stronger, better future.
The Abbott Team will preference Greens last…. splattering the watermelons.
NBN has been unable to provide a consistent flow of work which incurs costs in ramping up and down all the time.
Exactly why we need FTTH not FTTN …
… it also demonstrates the inability of private companies to actually do things cheaper and quicker than a permanent, government financed, Civil Works Department … Go Privatisation!
oooooooooohhhhhhh-teeeeeeee-baaaaaaags
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ” ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The fact is that whenever Australia has changed governments, the opposition has gone into the campaign well ahead. This was the case in 2007 and 1996. In 1983, Malcolm Fraser called the election when Labor’s policy-wonk leader was in place but damaged; Hayden was gone by the afternoon and Hawke lashed out at a journalist who implied he had “blood on his hands”. Today, Labor has done its leadership change and the inexplicably popular leader can flick his fingers through his silver hair without leaving any trace of red. The mid-campaign pivot is a crock.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-gravity-of-situation.html
“They don’t want the NBN nor Google Fiber nor Netfix”
Netflix ang Google DO NOT MAKE CONTENT you MORON.
Where will they get content from ?
Or is their a Google Movie Studio you dickhead ?
Try Fox Corporation in Hollywood or any of the other makers of movies or broadcasters of movies or sports like baseball, NFL, Golf, Tennis, AFL etc etc etc.
Or do you being the prized dipshit that you have so far demonstrated expect each of them to become their own broadcasters into your lounge room.
No they wont you prized dickhead. They’ll approach a broadcaster like Fox or Foxtel to host on its channels.
You suit the ALP membership base. Because you dont have a f**king clue.
And here’s further proof of that in that you cant even get your numbers right. Just like all ALP dipshits you pluck numbers out of the air
“After years of brawling and arm-wrestling Telstra last year finalised an $11 billion NBN deal that would see it structurally separated from its copper wire network.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/telstra-in-the-box-seat-over-nbn-20130410-2hlr7.html#ixzz2bKNvp2Dp
It is a reasonable question by Rudd – has Abbott had meetings with News to discuss his NBN policy and political strategy?
Meeting media moguls is nothing to be ashamed of, all politicians do it. But this will be another one of those annoying questions that will now be thrown at Abbott at every opportunity.
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Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/peter-beattie-former-queensland-premier-stands-in-federal-election-for-seat-of-forde-20130808-2rhiv.html#ixzz2bKS2YhSl
What next? Steve Bracks in Gillard’s old seat?
“…get it..competition, less subscriptions, less money.”
Like all good ALP hypocrits you’ll support competition when it suits but then you’ll support an NBN monopoly when that suits as well.
Idiot !
The accountant is shrill and unhinged this morning, guess he doesn`t realize biz needs to innovate. Google was sick of the corporate/political hand-break operating in teh-usa, with dipshits like us-west(worst), sol treccio(later-telstra) and the bush/cheney/haliburton warfest. So, google did their own nbn. Rupert, like us-worst, has chosen the `hand-brake`the competition model, and not to innovate. Rupert was wrong, and still is. ln this world you need to innovate, or be innovated on.
“The accountant is shrill and unhinged this morning”
The All Ords slipped below 5000 points yesterday.
There is a direct correlation between market performance and the accountant’s rage-o-meter….
Did anyone catch Julie Bishop on the FP debate yesterday?
It was unbearable to watch.. Her lips were moving but it was all just gibberish… God help us if she ends up as Foreign Minister.. 🙄
“………….has Abbott had meetings with News to discuss his NBN policy and political strategy?”
But so what if he has ?
I’d expect him to meet Fairfax too
I’d expect Abbott to also meet with the heads of BHP and Rio etc to discussing mining policy then meet with the heads of Holden and Toyota to discuss car policy. And meet the heads of Leighton and Grocon etc to discuss infrastructure policy.
Its called “inclusion and consultation”
“There is a direct correlation between market performance and the accountant’s rage-o-meter….”
ROFLMAO
Following on continued losses on the Dow overnight I’m headed for a complete meltdown in approximately 10 minutes
LOL..
Actually it’s called “collusion and compliance”
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10 minutes?
You’re way ahead of yourself!
Unhinged accountants screeching `google-don`t-make-content` is neither here nor there. Google have +plus and youtube with users enjoying their `own`content, similar to tumblr/yahoo, wordpress and facebook. There is not shortage of content equal to or better than shit like `big-brother`. The networks with their shit content have hastened the growth in internet users, user content, and sites such as facebook and +plus.
“…get it..competition, less subscriptions, less money.”
Maybe this the a Murdoch Model breaker that we (all wish) we had to have!
Just ’cause Rupert (and Wally) don’t like it (treadmills for the workers seems to be a Tory trait) don’t mean the the world moves on … I bet the blacksmiths hated motor carriages and all voted tory too … bugger me, what happened to all that smelly horseshit on the (gravel) roads …
I prefer to live in a society (that advances) rather support Murdoch’s Monopolistic Economy!
Its called “inclusion and consultation”
Abbott will be meeting with the unions then … its called “industrial democracy” …
I luv it when your angry …:-)
‘ ‘ ‘ Her lips were moving but it was all just gibberish ‘ ‘ ‘
JB was the same on LatelineLand, FFS it was terrible
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‘ ‘ ‘ God help us if she ends up as Foreign Minister’ ‘ ‘
ln dog we trust
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‘ ‘ Actually it’s called “collusion and compliance”’ ‘ ‘
isn`t it bloody always, gotta defend those poor helpless billionaires
“Abbott will be meeting with the unions then …”
I hope so
To discuss the scope of any upcoming Royal Commission ……………..LOL
With the likely election of Peter Beattie in Queensland it’s now quite clear that the ALP has no intention of keeping Rudd as LOTO or PM too long after 9 September.
There is too much cheer-leading with too little to cheer about. Rudd has many known defects – policy-on-the-run, teflon insincerity, massive ego and a divided party that will be unable to hide its fractures after the election. Sadly his opponents offer no real alternative – all their policies are incoherent. There is no sense of vision, only the division of wedge politics – half an NBN scheme, a half-baked climate change policy, a promise to keep the popular Labor initiatives with no real idea about how to pay for them or the other goodies he is promising. To make matters worse, Abbott looks psychotic most of the time – sullen, confused, inarticulate and completely out of his depth. Either way we are in for a troubled next three years.
It is better that Rudd lead the country. He may be able to fix some of Labor’s structural problems which will be a long term benefit. I would like to see him consolidate the good things Labor has done and focus on getting the economy back in shape. I think that is possible under Rudd and extremely unlikely under Abbott.
the ALP has no intention of keeping Rudd as LOTO or PM too long after 9 September.
That Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Balls are working overtime … LOL!
I like fiction tho’ ….
Hear! Hear! sb … couldn’t put it better …
What splatter said!
At least Rudd has shown signs of trying to reform the ALP. If they get spanked, he gets dumped & the broken model regains traction.
I still think Go Abbott! will win. The government has too much baggage.
I don’t think it will take long for people (excluding social conservative crotchsniffing limpets) to grow to loathe PM Abbott though. He has a naturally repellent demeanour & ideals to match.
Splatter has completely lost the plot ever since he copped that hit on his head
LOL
Splatter is capable of non-partisan thought.
How does this……………….
“Rudd has many known defects – policy-on-the-run, teflon insincerity, massive ego and a divided party that will be unable to hide its fractures after the election…….”
reconcile with this…………………
“It is better that Rudd lead the country. “
The alternative is what reconciles it.
“………a half-baked climate change policy………..”
All Direct Action policies are less costly to walk away from than an implemented Carbon Tax or ETS.
Walrus, Gillard has gone. Now just stop for a moment to imagine Abbott as PM with Hockey as treasurer and Bishop as FM. Just think about that for a moment!
“Rudd has many known defects – policy-on-the-run, teflon insincerity, massive ego and a divided party that will be unable to hide its fractures after the election…….”
reconcile with this…………………
“It is better that Rudd lead the country. “
The words in between that you left out?
So, the agreement which Holden is trying to get its workers to change to has been partially leaked. Has anyone else read it?
I gotta say, given the circumstances the industry in this country finds itself in, I don’t think too much of it is particularly unreasonable.
In fact, it would simply bring conditions back towards what most of the rest of manufacturing employees are subject to. Which makes me think that perhaps Holden employees are on a bit of an unrealistically golden wicket currently (apart from having their jobs in jeopardy).
Still, it would present a hard choice if you worked there. People don’t like giving things up that they are accustomed to.
Also, Holden are likely to get the agreement through, take millions more from both the State & Federal Governments…then just close up shop in the not too distant future anyway.
Mr-Rabbit as `prezedent` will not keep you warm at night if,
1/ you are in the 40% of the junk-job workforce
2/ in the auto or directly related industries
3/ personal Liberty`s frozen (gay-marriage)
4/ things you need slashed for `surplus-fetish`
5/ 18k to 6k taxable, hurt low inome/increase poverty
6/ 3rd-rate nbn that can`t support innovation won`t provide comfort as development will be coming out of Alberta and Fiber-usa, ie the next great thing, apple, google, yahoo, facebook, sumly
Dunny, the auto industry will go, `when` is the only question. With 40% of work-force in junk-jobs, which will increase btw, who `can`t afford `new` cars, and little hope for `premium` aussie-made.
“In fact, it would simply bring conditions back towards what most of the rest of manufacturing employees are subject to.”
I said something like that once and i got abused by you for saying it. I read somewhere they are on $94K/year and with overtime could crack the $100K/year mark.
Why go to University when you can get a higher salary on the production line??
“Also, Holden are likely to get the agreement through, take millions more from both the State & Federal Governments…then just close up shop in the not too distant future anyway.”
Yup. So, do Holden empolyees take their pay-cut medicine and (possibly) prolong the company’s inevitable demise, or refuse and force Holden’s (parent company’s) hand?
“I said something like that once and i got abused by you for saying it.”
I only ever abuse you when you deserve it, Neil.
Unfortunately, you can prove to be quite context deficient because you only see issues one, resolutely stubborn, way.
So, go back & find that your ‘something’ isn’t the same as my ‘something’.
“……..or refuse and force Holden’s (parent company’s) hand?”
For the good of the Taxpayer I hope so
“With 40% of work-force in junk-jobs, which will increase btw”
After 6 years of the ALP who do you blame for that scatterbrain ?
“So, do Holden empolyees take their pay-cut medicine and (possibly) prolong the company’s inevitable demise, or refuse and force Holden’s (parent company’s) hand?”
As I said, it would be a difficult choice. I’m not sure which way I’d vote were I involved.
I do believe however, that Holden is probably determined to leave for a myriad of external reasons (not the least of which is the high cost of manufacturing in SA) & that they will go regardless…which probably would have me teetering towards telling them to stick their erosion of conditions up their arse.
Although, those supporting a family (like me), with all of the expenditure that that entails, probably can’t afford not to have the job…even a slightly less golden job.
At the end of the day, wages are only a part of the cost to business.
Exactly SB.
I loathe the control the hacks and power brokers exercise over the ALP, but with Rudd and Bowen taking centre stage there is an opportunity for structural reform, but only if they win. A loss would probably see the hacks reassert themselves.
A front bench containing Rudd, Bowen, Carr, Albanese, probably Beatty, Dreyfus, Burke, Gray, Shorten, Wong etc look a whole lot better than Abbott’s.
Abbott, Hockey, Truss, Bishop, Abetz, Pyne, Brandis, Andrews – hardly people to inspire confidence. Only Turnbull looks like he’s capable.
Abbott’s lot had the measure of Gillard, Swan, Emerson, Conroy, Garrett etc, but that lot are (fortunately) receding into memory.
“I read somewhere they are on $94K/year and with overtime could crack the $100K/year mark.”
I’m on more than that, Neil. But you have no idea of the requirements for earning it, the skill levels involved or the mix of shifts.
I will say that, given what they’re potentially losing, I am already subject to much of what Holden is attempting to bend its workforce to. Unlike Holden, my employer doesn’t receive one red cent from the taxpayer.
So, I don’t think you have much ground for judging what somebody employed to do a job you have no real concept of should be earning.
Wages in manufacturing are one of the few variable costs.
Australia also has a reputation for being difficult with plant upgrades and overhaul. Industrial relations reputation in this area cause many manufacturers (and their investors) to postpone investment in upgrade and expansion.
Routinely it isn’t the production workforce that stops, it’s those involved in upgrade who screw return of the plant on schedule.
“……………imagine Abbott as PM with Hockey as treasurer and Bishop as FM. Just think about that for a moment!”
I did
Then I thought about how an $18B deficit could become a $30B deficit in the space of 3 months.
Rudd and the ALP have had their chance. We cant afford another 3 years of fiscal torture like the last 6.
They just wont cutback on anything.
Toilet
Yes you said something like that last time I mentioned what Holden workers were earning. But today you said this.
“In fact, it would simply bring conditions back towards what most of the rest of manufacturing employees are subject to”
PhD’s in Australia start on approx. $80K/year. And it takes 8 years to get it meaning you have lost 8 years of wages. Nurses do significant training also.
Better to go straight from school to the Holden production line.
In my experience, those higher wages are often balanced by a requisite reduction in employee headcount. LEAN manufacturing.
Foreign companies here run multiskilled skeleton crews. For instance, one Australian employee doing the same job as two US employees…or one Australian employee doing the same job as four in SE Asia.
I’m sure you’re aware that employee numbers aren’t cut & dried, YomM.
“PhD’s in Australia”
…don’t do shiftwork.
Also, you have no idea of the level of expertise required in certain manufacturing roles.
“Better to go straight from school to the Holden production line.”
Apparently not, given that the production line’s days are numbered.
“Yes you said something like that last time…”
There’s that lack of context again. 🙄
Last time, the discussion was based upon employees being expected to take a paycut of potentially $200 a week.
Holden have amended that, which is why I brought it up, to a reduction in conditions which (although they’d have a pay freeze for 3 years) didn’t involve the pay cut.
Comprehension.
“Last time, the discussion was based upon employees being expected to take a paycut of potentially $200 a week”
Wow you have a good memory. But the result is the same. Holden workers are taking a cut in pay.
“………“PhD’s in Australia”
…don’t do shiftwork………..”
Correct
It’s called unpaid overtime
Kneel is doing some nice thunderbirding today, he knows all the lowly workers rates, and those lowly rates are TOO MUCH, but we don`t hear boo on the boardrooms and managements pay, even tho, they are the fcukwits that made all the shit decisions. (go_abbort!)
“At the end of the day, wages are only a part of the cost to business.”
Holden’s boss was quoted as saying 65% of the cost to produce a vehicle in Australia is manufacturing wages.
the ALP has no intention of keeping Rudd as LOTO or PM too long after 9 September.
That Liberal Party Crack’d Crystal Balls are working overtime … LOL!
I like fiction tho’ ….
I must say I thought that sounded pretty fkn stupid when it was first put in 2007.
Further proof that the population north of the Tweed River are as thick as 2 planks………
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html
“but we don`t hear boo on the boardrooms and managements pay, even tho, they are the fcukwits that made all the shit decisions.”
I agree with that. Nothing worse than fat cats getting huge salaries they don’t deserve.
yomm_ ‘ ‘ it isn’t the production workforce that stops,’ ‘ *agree*
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‘ ‘ ‘ it’s those involved in upgrade who screw return of the plant on schedule. ‘ ‘ ‘
and/or JIT management. Failures in shipping, foreign manufactures, Harley Davidson motorcyles were nearly sent under due to JIT and shipping, they were looking at returning to teh-usa to have all components produced
“It’s called unpaid overtime”
Utterly different to scheduled, repetitive shifts which fall across 24*7*365 (including public holidays).
Apples & oranges.
I love it when people who’ve stayed up late to get the job done a few times think that that’s the same as permanent shiftwork. 🙄
Any overtime I do is unpaid too, btw.
“But the result is the same. Holden workers are taking a cut in pay.’
You are being deliberately (I assume, the alternative is that you’re thick) ignorant.
A three year pay freeze is not anything like a mooted $200pw pay cut.
OMFG!
One Nation don’t set the bar very high! 😯
And she’s supposedly their ‘poster child’?! 😯
Holden was also trying to cap redundancy payouts at a level of years of service considerably below that of long term employees.
I’m not sure if that’s changed. If it hasn’t, given that the closure is inevitable & impending, the new deal should be rejected on those grounds alone.
All the company is trying to do there is clear the decks for a cheaper exit from the country.
‘ ‘ ‘ A three year pay freeze is not anything like a mooted $200pw pay cut.’ ‘ ‘
*both probably wrong, it will depend on current`deal` and `if` indexed, you will need all the details, and the `accountants` should have told you that, (if said accountants were actually worth a hill o`beans)
I cannot believe anyone would rather 3 more years of Rudd given the c*nt’s track record.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/kevin-rudds-role-in-insulation-batts-debacle-revisited/story-fn6tcxar-1226693140523
“I love it when people who’ve stayed up late to get the job done a few times think that that’s the same as permanent shiftwork.”
Ridiculously simplistic !
As I understand it, the pay freeze simply means that the employees’ rate stagnates for three years (then Holden shuts, presumably) rather than getting the 3%pa(9% over three years, obviously) that they were otherwise going to receive.
“Ridiculously simplistic !”
Yes, you & Neil are reducing it to that.
No understanding of shiftwork between you.
And it takes 8 years to get it meaning you have lost 8 years of wages.
And 8 years of productivity and paying “real” taxes … a wankers outlook on life and and expectation way beyond your capability …
Nurses do significant training also. And, I’m told, baulk at the first bedpan … training has changed dramatically with a “degree” in nursing … many leave in the first year ’cause of the “yuk factor” … there is a real need for competency based nurses to Diploma level, KL is the expert anyway …
Kneel, does have an obsession with Phd’s … a clue to his
rantingswriting perhaps.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just a reminder it is – GENERAL MOTORS holden …:roll:
Only Turnbull looks like he’s capable. 😯
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I must say I thought that sounded pretty fkn stupid when it was first put in 2007.
Could someone please explain to me what, James, is attempting to tell me?
Is it just demonstrating a lack of humour – again?
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A MAGNIFICENT FIRST!
I agree with that. Nothing worse than fat cats getting huge salaries they don’t deserve.
Kneel, just hop that, Wally, doesn’t see that … it’ll break his heart … and pebbles are messy …
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Harley Davidson motorcyles were nearly sent under due to JIT and shipping, they were looking at returning to teh-usa to have all components produced
Not quite true, 007, HD nearly went under ’cause the product was shite … a drip supplied with each motorbike! Management called for suggestions from the floor – they were indundated with ideas … they listened, acted and turned the company round!
I can assure you, as an ex production manager, JIT WORKS … but only if you know how to apply it properly* … first introduced by Deming into the Japanese car industry in the 1950/60’s !
*And I’m sure GMH do!
One Nation don’t set the bar very high!
Did they ever? You sound surprised!
Wages are an issue, but I think a significant problem for investors is IR.
Plants have to run at full capacity, every last bit of value has to be extracted, to provide the return on investment.
The unions involved in construction or overhaul know this, and target their action to squeeze manufacturers/investors.
Investors won’t invest in plant upgrade while ever unions display this tactic. It’s one of the reasons the ABCC should never have been abolished.
Ridiculously simplistic !
Not from this ex night shift super’s perspective …
Could someone please explain to me what, James, is attempting to tell me?
Is it just demonstrating a lack of humour – again?
When obviously smarter minds than mine said before the 2007 election that Gillard would knife Rudd at the first opportunity I thought they were kooks. I was wrong.
Now Big Bill has inserted Beattie into the mix, the same types of people are saying that it’s to replace Kev after the election, win or lose.
This time it seems to make sense.
Investors won’t invest in plant upgrade while ever unions display this tactic
What you really mean is that they will continue to run plant until it either kills or seriously injure someone … or destroys the goods being manufactured … trying to squeeze profit from rubbish … false economy at its worst!
Australia is rife with quick buck merchants!
This time it seems to make sense.
Only to tory wedgies …
“No understanding of shiftwork between you.”
Depends upon your definition. Your definition has a constant a blue collar tinge about it. As if you are the only person who knows what odd hours are .
There are plenty of small business owners and professional white collar workers who are called upon constantly to work to deadlines or constantly fill in for crap employees.
They get paid to do a job. They dont get paid by the hour and dont constantly whinge about odd hours.
If they are lucky they’ll get some time off in lieu.
If you take on a job that requires odd hours then don’t whinge when you need to do them. No one forced you to take that particular job.
You should be a fan of, The Media Moll, James, he was a successful lawyer … 😉
TB, ‘ ‘ ‘ HD nearly went under ’cause the product was shite’ ‘ ‘
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Refers to previous HD, `not-arguing-against` but different to what l`m talking about, JIT/shipping incident will require you to search `newshour` on pbs and see if you can find the story, l saw on TV. 2 or 3 years old, l suspect.
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Also on JIT, Ford, GM production-lines in teh-usa came to grinding halt during 911, when borders were closed to Mexico and Canada. No components.
Why do you think Beattie is running for Forde at the last moment, TB?
Not claiming all JIT is a failure, just a management decision that can cause fcuk-ups that have nothing to do with workers or unions, but it is still the workers who lose their pittance, while the boardrooms get richer.
If you take on a job that requires odd hours then don’t whinge when you need to do them. No one forced you to take that particular job.
er, Wally, you and, Kneel, aredoing the the whinging … how much do you get paid?
Toillette, is explaining why your wrong …
Shift workers are entitled to the remuneration they get … while they can’t do your job …. you can’t do their’s …
BTW, I’ve done both – working 15 hours a day/night on minesites and permanent night shift (8 hours) … both tiring/taxing (hehe) but different in thier own way!
Why do you think Beattie is running for Forde at the last moment, TB?
My only guess is that he’s bored … sometimes happens with people who retire … he’s only 61 … maybe he has run out of money? Ooops … impossible … he’s a bloody pollie!
007, re JIT, I understand issues (we once lost a shipment over the edge of a cliff – truck tipped and it took us three months to produce that component – contingency planning had us running in three days) … shelfing stock cost money too …
Re HD – I’ve seen the doco … used to use it for managment training … classic industrial democracy … you’d know about the drip trays if you saw it! 🙂
An oldie but a goodie…
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2364/2173314731_5c29e96674_z.jpg?zz=1
yomm_ ‘ ‘ ‘ It’s one of the reasons the ABCC should never have been abolished.’ ‘ ‘
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you are aware the abcc only ever prosecuted corrupt emploers and/or their agents, no workers, no unions(boo) or their reps.?
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will you still say the same if an abcc demanded grollo was to be prosecuted for killing the brother and sister and 3rd pedestrian, with the wall the fell and crushed them.?
The “punctuation” here is hurting my eyes.
I thought Beattie said he had retired from politics and is not coming back.
“If you take on a job that requires odd hours then don’t whinge when you need to do them. No one forced you to take that particular job.”
Hilarious!
I never whinge about odd hours. I’m very happy where I work.
My hackles only raise when people who have no fucking clue what they’re advocating start calling for the reduction of pay of those who do do ‘odd hours’.
You are paid more for shiftwork for reasons which are generally well recognised by everyone except those who never have had to do it.
The other things you describe do not compare to shiftwork.
‘ ‘ ‘ people who have no fucking clue what they’re advocating’ ‘ ‘
there is a lot of that going around
#thunderbirding
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‘ ‘ ‘ The “punctuation” here is hurting my eyes.’ ‘ ‘
thank`you for your `high`value comment osy
The “punctuation” here is hurting my eyes.
Nice to see an “original” post, ToSY, congratulations!
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I thought Beattie said he had retired from politics and is not coming back.
Did you, Kneel? Thought also stuck a feather up its arse and called itself a chicken .. then it called itself a chocolate and ate itself! 🙄
You really live in your own little black and white world.
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A taste from Noddy Newman’s Nitwits of what may happen if Abbott’s Acolytes are introduced as the main act … hilarious tho’ it is …
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/mistress-of-sexting-mp-peter-dowling-says-lnp-tried-to-cover-up-allegations-he-misused-travel-expenses/story-fnii5v6w-1226693096800
“Did you, Kneel? Thought also stuck a feather up its arse and called itself a chicken .. then it called itself a chocolate and ate itself!”
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/beattie-quits-and-promises-to-disappear/2007/09/10/1189276635262.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
“Mr Beattie emphatically ruled out a switch to federal politics, and promised he would not hang around making life difficult for his successor.
“I’m not going to be one of those people who put their heads up,” he said. “I’ll disappear.” After travelling with his wife, he is likely to seek some sort of ambassadorial role.”
Kneel Naive …
Walrus has it all figured out..Google don’t make content and its all reported accurately in the age…I have no idea? You may want to look up the word convergence and ask yourself why Google have Google Fiber, own Youtube, integrate it into chrome and have chromecast? Why does netflix exist?… Most content is made outside hollywood .Yeah mate its all hollywood and murdochracy considering over 80% of content is made independently including most of the sports shows, broadcasts, television, films and the music you listen to…But hey what would I know, i’ve been making content for the past 30 years. 🙄
Prediction, watch Fox distribution dwindle as Google gets bigger…Bout as sure bet as Beate romping it in….Why do you think Rupert owns satellites?
Like i said idiots like this goose are about 10 years behind the main game like all Fiberals.. state the fact and the truth and you’re a lefty idiot like the dickhead staffer and fraudband, the boats, the economy, education, racism, sexism and just about everything if fiberaland … 🙄 good luck with that.
Like I said No name…no balls
No worries TB. Since you’ve taken it on yourself to advise others how to write “posts”, as you call them, I thought I might be the punctuation police.
ln deeply troubled times like these, never before have we so desperately needed to ensure that as much wealth as possible can flow to our billionaires. We can do this by ensuring as much flexibility as possible is given to our media and mining elite. Discerning readers understand that to engage in rupert licking and gina sniffing is a privilege granted to the lower class, not an absolute right. (Go_abbort!)
Since you’ve taken it on yourself to advise others how to write “posts”, as you call them
Giant leap to others from just you, ToSY … 🙂
Advice may be ignored or taken … your choice … 🙄
In my case I take your point re comments (as opposed to posts … apologies to the the Blogmaester) …
… see, make an original point and it helps people … many thanks …
BTW, to be the “punctuation police” you must set an example … that means more meaningful, personal comments like your last … demonstrating your own punctuation skills and knowledge … rather than cut & pastes from other authors …
What a great start!
“But hey what would I know, i’ve been making content for the past 30 years. ”
Filling up lots of toilet bowls I bet.
Dont hang by the telephone waiting for Rupert to come calling for some of your “content”
LOL
By the way. Are you too fucking stupid to notice that very few use their real names here.
Are you that fucking stupid ?
I knew the ALP had a quota for females but I didn’t realise they also had a quota for the completely brain fucking dead.
Cut and pasting is no easy gig at Trash, you need to have an inkling of real news. Which is not a criticism of the editor’s unusual approach to what he thinks is newsworthy.
“Shift workers are entitled to the remuneration they get … while they can’t do your job …. you can’t do their’s … ”
WTF
So if you have a Uni Degree its not shiftwork then …………is that it ?
What is the definition of shiftwork that is acceptable to you Lefties ?
I thought I might be the punctuation police, blogmaster willing, of course!
Punctuation 101.
Lesson 1: (over)use of ellipses.
A series of three dots is called an ellipsis. It can indicate the deliberate omission of a word, a series of words, or whole sections of text. Used at the end of a sentence it can also indicate an unfinished thought. It is not a substitute for a full stop or comma.
When people can`t actually do anything useful, they get sent away to do a Uni-Degree to keep them out of the hair of those that `actually` know things and actually `do` things. This, unfortunately can`t go on forever, so after some years of being put in Uni-Cold-Storage, they must be released. Usually, we allow them to `count` things.
“Uni-Cold-Storage, they must be released. Usually, we allow them to `count` things.”
🙂
Lesson 2: use of commas and names.
It is usual to place commas around a person’s name when you are addressing them directly.There is no need to place commas around someone’s name when you are talking about them.
Incorrect: “You should be a fan of, The Media Moll, James, he was a successful lawyer …”
Correct: “You should be a fan of The Media Moll, James, he was a successful lawyer.”
Well my mood has improved……………LOL
ASX up almost 1% today
Now ya cooking, ToSY!
Used at the end of a sentence it can also indicate an unfinished thought.
The context that I use it in, myself … thoughts are just that, fragments … therefore never really complete …
… it allows others to add or embellish on my original thoughts and conjectures …
… using ellipses also sets my contributions apart from others … its often referred to as writing style …
You’lll get the hang of it once you get a bit more original material under your belt (Note: You ARE still using quotes {definitions are c&p} rather than original thought … )
You’ll notice too, that most, if not all, commenters here, don’t exactly follow grammatical rules … originality you see … (and commas are a pain in the arse)
However, I am impressed that you are willing to engage within the narrow parametwrs you’ve chosen … good stuff …
Lesson 3: grave accents and apostrophes.
That key at the top left hand corner of a QWERTY keyboard (`) is the grave accent, or backquote key. It is not an apostrophe (‘). The apostrophe is to the right of the semi-colon (;) key, which is to the right of the L key.
I wouldn’t use my real name here because the unhinged rockshifter has a past history of stalking people’s residential addresses.
I have no fear of the semi-literate, unstable halfwit, but I have a family & I can’t be home 24/7.
Also, he’s recently hinted at being in contact with individuals here.
Relative anonymity is best, I’m afraid.
Lesson 2: use of commas and names.
None of this is contributing any ORIGINAL thought, ToSY, maybe we can ask the Blogmaester for your own thread … its as boring and nonsensical as climate change …
Relative anonymity is best, I’m afraid.
How well I know, Toillette!
Lesson 4: Wally dots
These can’t be explained by normal rules of punctuation. They are most likely a function of the writer’s alcohol consumption combined with his share portfolio’s daily fluctuations.
e.g. Well my mood has improved……………LOL
AND … I do know the rockshifters identity AND kept it!
e.g. Well my mood has improved……………LOL
Nah … it just takes Wally a long time to think of what he’s going to say next … sober or enebriated …
”Unfortunately, they’ve completely twisted all my words and made me out to be a stand-up criminal and a stupid moron,” she said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html#ixzz2bMANrVqy
“They are most likely a function of the writer’s alcohol consumption combined with his share portfolio’s daily fluctuations.”
4pm ASX closed and just looked at the portfolio……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..LOL
Might have a drink soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
😉
“Also, he’s recently hinted at being in contact with individuals here.”
Has he ?
Plenty of the shiftworkers I’ve worked with have been to university, evil one; myself included.
I don’t think that’s relevant. Unless you are inferring that only the uneducated work in manufacturing. In which case you’d be incorrect. 😉
Who knows if he actually has? Anyone here with a guilty conscience?
He is prone to spouting a lot of fantasy.
I’d totally disregard everything he says if he hadn’t given TB trouble outside of the blogosphere.
Generally, people who angrily puff out their chest & try to intimidate others on the internet are best guffawed at. Bravery it isn’t.
Elipsis Alert
‘its as boring and nonsensical as climate change …’
Stephanie is way out of her shallows, reb.
would that grave accent be suitable to use to `emphasize`, without resorting to EMPHASIZE(shouting) spell-check`osy.?
”Unfortunately, they’ve completely twisted all my words and made me out to be a stand-up criminal and a stupid moron,” she said.
I suspect that’s what, ToSY, is attempting … massive fail … 😉
… almost works, egg … 🙄 …
@ ricky pann, yeah, or moan and groan about `online`civility and change the subject 🙂
‘Also, he’s recently hinted at being in contact with individuals here.’
‘Who knows if he actually has? Anyone here with a guilty conscience?’
Dianne might be a candidate.
I think dianne is cool.
“Generally, people who angrily puff out their chest & try to intimidate others on the internet are best guffawed at”
Watch out…………………….he’s well versed in Marshall Arts
🙂
No wonder so much is Fcuked reb.
This dill gets 170k +perks if she gets in.
Definitely Canberra material.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html
* brownfear assails me… 😯
“Unless you are inferring that only the uneducated work in manufacturing. In which case you’d be incorrect.”
Definitely not inferring that.
I see that one of them has been working in “content” for 30 years apparently.
LOL
But hey………………who cares about a difference between a $11Billion deal with Telstra and an $8Billion deal.
The head of Telstra was only talking about it today and I’m just a shareholder. What the fuck would we 2 know as opposed to Ricky
And for those who want to be rescued from Rupert are you really sure “Google is your friend”
http://www.afr.com/p/national/google_still_tax_target_even_as_EJflW1MB26hDhgj0Y0ajuL
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/googles-tiny-tax-bill-in-australia-alarms-turnbull-20120525-1za51.html
he’s well versed in Marshall Arts
In fact I’m just reading about the Marshall Plan … 😯
** … and I’m just a shareholder**
And shareholders know everything!
LOL! Made a profit yet!
“You know nuthing, John Snow …”
“This dill gets 170k +perks if she gets in.”
She’s the least of our problems
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/executives-bloating-the-bureaucracy-with-one-manager-for-every-25-workers/story-fn59niix-1226610536522
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Telstra was only talking about it today and I’m just a shareholder.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
that explains a lot of unhinging,
too bad ya didn`t take ya aggression to their boardroom meetings, where it rightly belongs
And for those who want to be rescued from Rupert are you really sure “Google is your friend”
JFC! Wally! Read my posts – I trust none of The Robber Barons … nor their desciples … Wally the Wand … 😆
“Made a profit yet! ”
Yeah of course. You must have as well………………………I mean you did take my advice when they were $3.50 and paying $0.28 p.a. fully franked ????????????????????
Didn’t you…..?
You did didn’t you ????????
Why dont you answer ???????????????????????
Holy shit and OMG whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?
TB……………………where are you ?????????????
What was that you said about Metal Storm ????????????????????
🙂
“In fact I’m just reading about the Marshall Plan …”
Was that before Crapperville ?
“too bad ya didn`t take ya aggression to their boardroom meetings, where it rightly belongs”
Why would I ?
There service might be shit but from a shareholder POV at $5.05 and yielding grossed up 8% I’ve got nothing to complain about.
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ She’s the least of our problems ‘ ‘ ‘ ” ‘
** did you read ALL of it, or just the `grab` above the paywall.?
Oh………I read it all. As a Loyal Ruperteer I read the Oz every day LOL
Here……………….lazy bastard
And yes its critical of Howard too
“THE Australian public service is increasingly top-heavy, with 45,000 officials, or 29 per cent of all permanent employees, now classified as executives.
Analysis by The Australian has found there is now one manager for every 2.5 ordinary workers in the federal bureaucracy.
And the rise in the top five pay grades in Canberra accounts for almost all of the growth in the public service during the past five years, with an annual cost to taxpayers of $1.3 billion for the 10,000-plus extra executives.
Since 1998, the number of middle managers in the federal bureaucracy, known as EL1s and EL2s, has jumped 132 per cent, while the elite, three-grade Senior Executive Service has expanded 78 per cent.
The total number of so-called “ongoing” employees in the Australian Public Service increased by 42 per cent over that period, compared with a 22 per cent rise in the nation’s population.
The annual cost to the federal budget of executive remuneration, including salary, superannuation, vehicle allowance and bonus payments, is $6bn.
Public finance experts point to so-called “classification creep” as one of the reasons behind the growth in executive ranks, particularly at the top end, as people move to higher pay grades without a change in the nature of work being performed. Put another way, in many cases executives are performing work that used to be done by staff on lower grades.
According to the most recent report on remuneration by the Australian Public Service Commission, the average total reward of the highest classification (SES Band 3), of which there were 135 officials, was $358,552.
The entry-level executive (EL1) positions, of which there were 28,818 at last year’s audit, command an average total reward of $116,087.
On the eve of the 2007 election, former public servant Kevin Rudd vowed to take “a meat axe” to what he called the “administrative bloating” that had occurred on John Howard’s watch.
In the final five years of the Howard administration, the size of the public service jumped 28 per cent, with the executive ranks up 49 per cent.
In the past five years under Labor, the number of permanent public servants has grown by 10,440, including a 10,358 rise in the executive ranks, to 154,307.
Had the number of senior executives and middle managers remained at 2007 levels, the annual salary bill would be $1.343bn less than it is today.
The agencies with the highest proportion of executives are AusAID (57 per cent), the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (52 per cent), Foreign Affairs and Trade (51 per cent), Finance and Deregulation (50 per cent), Attorney-General’s (49 per cent) and Treasury (44 per cent).
Under both Labor and Coalition governments, Canberra’s workforce has grown, while the composition of the bureaucracy has become skewed to higher-grade executive classifications. Over the past 15 years, jobs at lower pay-grade levels have been either contracted out to the private sector or become redundant due to technological change.
In June 2010, the federal government introduced a cap on SES growth in each agency, designed to place a control on the number of highly paid roles each agency can staff.
A 2011 review by former departmental secretary Roger Beale found that the growth in the SES was due to the commonwealth’s move into new areas, more complex tasks, the demands of the modern news cycle and national security issues. Mr Beale also noted that in spite of the increased flexibility given to agency heads to set remuneration, “managers may be over-classifying some jobs on the basis of the required remuneration outcome instead of the work to be performed”.
Mr Beale was not convinced about the widespread existence of classification creep and cautioned against an across-the-board pro-rata cut to the SES during fiscally straitened times. Instead, he opted for tighter evaluations of SES roles and an extension of the caps. The Gillard government extended the SES cap for a further five years to the end of 2016.
An APSC spokeswoman said “the cap has been effective in managing growth”.
While the government says the total number of public servants, including defence personnel and federal police, has stopped growing and is forecast to fall this year, the number of permanent bureaucrats covered by the Public Service Act continues to rise.
If elected, the Coalition has said it would cut the number of federal public servants by 12,000 over two years through natural attrition, saving $4bn over the four-year forward estimates period.
Tony Abbott has not nominated a target for executive retrenchments, although in the wake of the global financial crisis some SES officials have delayed retirement, leading to promotion bottlenecks further down the line.
A recent proposal by the conservative Institute of Public Affairs called for a 24,500 reduction in the federal bureaucracy, 60 per cent of which is now located outside Canberra.
The Community and Public Sector Union has promised a high-profile, pre-election campaign against the Coalition’s planned job cuts and last Thursday convened a “council of war” in Canberra for top-level delegates.
A spokeswoman for Finance Minister Penny Wong said questions about the classification of public-sector staff should be directed to the Minister for Public Service and Integrity, Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus, whose office declined to comment.
Senator Wong’s spokeswoman said the government had achieved more than $13bn in public-sector savings since coming to office, including in travel, hospitality and IT.”
I’m not surpised that no one even notices anymore that when the Looney Left start talking about the NBN and defending it they inevitably still talk about it as an “entertainment” system in their war with Rupert
Pretty fucking expensive Youtube Videos and Movies.
Still waiting for new things to come along to justify it I see
What was that you said about Metal Storm
LOL! Knew it! Win some lose some – watch for Colt!
I did make a Testra profit … bought @$2:70 sold @ $5 something – long ago!
Was that before Crapperville ?
Europe (France particularly) late forties ….
There service might be shit
Watch out for ToSY! “Their”??
“Europe (France particularly) late forties ….”
Yes I knew that !
… start talking about the NBN and defending it they inevitably still talk about it as an “entertainment” system in their war with Rupert
Clever in a dumb sort of way, Wally, it was in fact you that brought up Rupert’s Revenue Stream ….
And I’ve always “defended ” it as a means to increased business revenue by innovation we can’t even imagine, improved medical services also beyond our present comprehension and a major move forward in the delivery and assessment of learning for children and adults across our country … add to that a greater opportunity to open up the outback and improve communication for all Australians and you’ve got a winner … an added benefit is greater access and speed for users of wireless communication in the future …
Yes I knew that !
Chuckle …
thanks Walrus, but l did actually bounce thru the paywall and read it,
+
the trouble for me with Limited-News (and l find this often) is when l see
” ‘ ‘ Analysis by The Australian ‘ ‘ ‘
the Departments the-oz lists, we are not told `why` the Govt has increased them and don`t tell us `what` the Dept.s are now doing to justify/or-not.
lt is why l find it a waste of time trying to read it.
When l see
‘ ‘ ‘ the conservative Institute of Public Affairs called for a 24,500 reduction ‘ ‘ ‘
doesn`t really fill me with what l call `news` but lobbying.
sbs1, Mr-Talkbull just said ‘ ‘ ‘ while Kevin may look like Tin-Tin ‘ ‘ ‘ ROFL
Hey Walrus you fiberal toe rag..insults? Well I make things and I have also worked on building some of the largest VPN’s in Australia, whats your story cnt c cnt v cowboy?
And yes I have done content that has been on fox and murdoch networks…so there goes that theory…
Attacking me with your simplistic fact devoid, pamphlet paraphrasing only demonstrates that you know fuck all about technology and the media.
Your antagonist rhetorical nonsense may make you feel big and give you a woody…but you’re just a little avatar in a blog with little more than small minded, fact deficient irrelevance…I’m sure you’re the top dog around the piss filled watercooler of faux outrage paraphrasing the murdoch meme like a two dollar dictaphone.
Am I stupid? well my only stupidity is engaging with such an intellectual pygmy to give you the oxegen of attention you so crave in you’r boring little life….
Thanks for the heads up…I have you pegged now…
A fake, gutless little blog trolling cut and paister who metaphorilly mastabates without an original thought of their own… pathetic really. 🙄
LOL
Yeah whatever !
Have you worked out the difference between $8Billion and $11Billion yet dickhead ?
ROFLMAO
“THE AFL could be the first major Australian sporting body to sell footage of matches directly to fans via high-speed broadband after its chief executive suggested talks with NBN Co had begun.
A new distribution system that uses multicasting technology will begin next month on the national broadband network, NBN Co’s head of product development and industry relations, Jim Hassell, said. The new television-like service will pave the way for entrants to rival pay TV, free-to-air and video-on-demand services such as the ABC’s iView.”
http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/talks-may-signal-new-vision-for-afl-coverage-20120819-24go8.html
LOL ……Already read that article……………..Pretty pathetic attempt
Foxtel and Seven already have an agreement with the AFL. So you can bet any AFL to NBN footage broadcast would be subject to what the existing contract says.
As long as Foxtel and Seven continue to cough up cash on commercially viable terms to them the AFL will take it under their terms.
So its not content leaking. The AFL could have accepted bids from Optus if they wanted to.
By the way………………where does it say “Live” games.
yawn
‘yawn’
I’ll take that as a no.
I think you should just take it as a yawn.
“I’ll take that as a no.”
LOL
Our ALP dullard from the Cafe seems to think that the AFL could sell its “Live” games twice and get the same price.
I’m sure Foxtel and Seven would be in on that ……….ROFLMAO
The article only mentions footage and that the AFL have spent big on a media unit. Sounds like they just want to charge fans on past highlights on a pay per view basis. It even mentions one of the “catch up” channels
That wont affect Seven/Foxtel.
As the article points out why would the AFL want to become a broadcaster. Its akin to Westfield building a shopping centre and running the entire food court by hiring cooks, and staff and ovens and display cases, tables chairs.
Instead Westfield gets others to do that and charges them rent.
Our ALP Dullard is………..well exactly that……………….a dullard eager to maintain the Murdoch Conspiracy Theory and play down the Government Incompetent Fact
or
“Newspaper proprietor/magnate dares to change the staff at his OWN newspaper”
On the money Reb 🙂
They can argue all they like straight from the horse traders mouth
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3818683.htm
MURDOCH!
(You magnificent bastard.)
Go Murdoch!
Tell the dumbarses who to vote for!
Yay for wealth & disproportionate influence!
Fairfax
(You magnificent bastard(s).)
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/mr-rudd-if-you-want-respect-make-dastyari-earn-his-seat-20130808-2rkci.html
‘Some commentators interpreted Allan’s arrival in terms of the Australian election campaign. I suspect it had a lot more to do with the hard and ruthless politics of News Corp than with those of the nation.
‘The Murdoch masthead editors need no coaching to run their anti-Labor campaign. After all, they have been doing it for months, and there was no reason to think a change of Labor leader would lead to a change in attitude.’
Margaret Simons / Guardian