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Introducing Prime Minister Tony Abbott!

August 15, 2013

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As much as it pains me to admit it, it appears that in the space of a few weeks the unthinkable will happen. Australians will go to the polls and elect a total thug, an illiterate, a homophobe and a misogynist to become our next Prime Minister.

Despite the suppository gaffe, the “sex appeal” gaffe and the dismissive remark about marriage equality being some sort of passing fad, it seems Tony Abbott is destined to become our national leader, and judging by his recent bouts of laughter and frivolity in front of the cameras, he already knows he’s on the home straight to the lodge.

If he pulls it off it will be an extraordinary accomplishment – for a man once dubbed “the resident nutter” by former Prime Minister Paul Keating.

Despite an environment of low unemployment, low inflation, low interest rates and a fairly buoyant economy (by world standards), Australians are set to turf the incumbent government in favour of a motley rabble who have presented little in the way of alternative policies and costings, opting instead to mouth-off incessantly with three-word slogans and pamphlets that are somehow meant to constitute comprehensive plans of an alternative government agenda.

It’s a sad indictment on the state of politics and the mindset of the Australian public that they’ve managed to make it within striking distance of victory with little more than just vile hate-filled invective as their main arsenal.

But there you have it. I for one, am feeling pretty despondent.

If you want a vision of what an Abbott-led government will look like we only need to take a glance at what’s happening in the UK or Queensland.  It’s not going to be pretty.

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 12:40 pm

    What happened to my post!

  2. August 15, 2013 12:45 pm

    There’s nothing in the spam filter TB..

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 12:47 pm

    But there you have it. I for one, am feeling pretty despondent.

    Because, like me, you have lived through better alternatives!

    My parents used to tell me how much smarter my generation was to theirs … unfortunately, I can’t say the same for the generations that have followed …

    I don’t even blame, Abbott, for being the Fuckwit™ that he obviously is, I blame the public for thinking he isn’t!

    Right now I’m reading about Sulla and Crassus in the 80/90’s BC in Rome … the only thing that’s different is that the Libs haven’t been given the army!

    Sometimes people have to learn the hard way (all learning costs one way or another!) … the people of Queensland are beginning to see what the elected with Noddy “I will never lie” Campbell … I’d lived through it with his hero J Bjelke Peterson and knew what to expect! Others didn’t!

    Just what will happen in 2016 will determine the real state of Australia’s future … ’cause while the world is still coming to terms with the GFC (no it hasn’t finished yet!) Australia is destined to follow them … wonder how Abbott & The Acolytes will handle the recession (we had to have) … I know … Labor spent all OUR money!

    Polls have been wrong before! And a week is a long time i

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 12:47 pm

    Found it, apologies, sreb … it just disappeared!

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 1:03 pm

    I guess we’ll have to get used to this more too …

    (Note Noddy’s comments … insinuating we all have issues … the snotty little twat)

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/premier-campbell-newman-indicates-the-lnp-will-stand-by-sexting-mp-peter-dowling/story-fnii5v6w-1226697725480

  6. ozfenric permalink
    August 15, 2013 1:07 pm

    Not 100% true. Abbott is not actually illiterate. He’s a very clever guy – don’t underestimate your opponent. But he’s taken an easier path: he and his party are being deliberately lowbrow. They are deliberately pandering to the worst elements of the national pyche – fear, racism, anti-intellectualism – and he is personally pandering to the worst elements of his party. Google “Tony Abbott hollow man”.
    The latest example is Joe “you guys really don’t want to know about the numbers” Hockey. They’ve used every excuse available to avoid providing their costings so we can know whether their largesse is actually possible to deliver; now there’s no more excuses, so they don’t want to provide the numbers in consideration of our poor attention spans. This is worse than disrespect. It is downright contempt for the voters, and what saddens me is that they’re likely to get away with it.

  7. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 1:08 pm

    Kevette wants to open up a ‘special economic zone with company tax cuts is part of Labor’s plan to develop northern Australia.’

    Stealing the Monk’s thunder and let’s not forget it was Gina’s idea.

  8. August 15, 2013 1:10 pm

    “This is worse than disrespect. It is downright contempt for the voters, and what saddens me is that they’re likely to get away with it.”

    Agreed!

    Although Gillard wasn’t far off with her “I’ve given you the answer I’m going to give you” and “molecules” remarks…

  9. August 15, 2013 1:33 pm

    No need to go to water just yet!

    There is still a war for sanity being fought out there. Abbott is running scared. The last few days have shown yet again that he can’t open his mouth without letting the world know he is an evolutionary artifact – a throwback to nastier time.

    There is no doubt that Abbott will screw up many times between now and the election date. I just hope that Rudd doesn’t. It would be nice if the media gives him a fair go.

    Trying to be sanguine about an Abbott victory doesn’t work. I mean just ask yourself what could go wrong if Abbott wins? It doesn’t bear thinking about. The nightmares will keep you awake for a month.

    I still have faith in the Australian people. This is going to be 1993 all over again!

    To those of you cheering for Abbott please understand that if he gets up you will not have much to cheer about at all. Abbott and his cabinet of sideshow freaks will be a disaster for conservatives as well. He won’t repay the debt, and he will be stuck with all the opportunistic promises he has made. Socially, he will lead us straight back to the 1950s. Maybe the fat old walruses among you will get an extra coat of blubber if they get their snouts in the trough but it is going to get very ugly for the rest of us. There is still a good chance voters will realise this as they pass the pathetic photos of Abbott on the way into the polling booths and glimpse the ugly snarling future he has in mind for them.

  10. Walrus Watching From The Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 1:44 pm

    “This is worse than disrespect. It is downright contempt for the voters, and what saddens me is that they’re likely to get away with it.”

    And its exactly what the ALP Opposition did in 2007. They released their numbers some 3 days prior to polling.

    And besides the PEFO contains so much bullshit its impossible to now forecast thanks to Gillard and Rudd “outsourcing” control of the ETS pricing.

    And yes you can retort that the LNP is going to lift the Carbon Tax anyway but Treasury has modeled it as in the forecasts with all its attendant economic multipliers. So you cant just calculate it on the back of an envelope like an NBN policy apparently can

  11. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 1:45 pm

    ‘I mean just ask yourself what could go wrong if Abbott wins?’

    I prefer to think what might go right, on the first day of the new government he should begin a process which will save the Australian taxpayers $150 billion.

  12. August 15, 2013 1:48 pm

    Don’t be despondent guys despite the rhetoric from the left I very much doubt that an Abbott government will turn out to be the sum of all your fears. Simply put the coalition will want to govern for the long term and instead of being at all rash they will be very careful and considered.
    Reb you are mistaken to think that anyone who has reservations about Gay marriage will consequently be in any sense “anti gay” . There is just no mood to bring about the sort of restrictions against homosexuality that are currently happening in Russia or Africa. This country will continue to be a great place to be gay by any measure that matters and long may it be so.

    But mostly you seem to forget that its the incompetence of Labor administration over the last six years that will see them tossed out not the state of the economy or their ideology, In fact maladministration is the greatest vice of Labor at all levels of government which I put down to the fact that hardly any of their number have ever run a business and they have never learned the value of under promising and then over delivering rather than the opposite scenario which has been the story of Rudd Gillard Rudd.

  13. Walrus Watching From The Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 1:49 pm

    “Kevette wants to open up a ‘special economic zone with company tax cuts is part of Labor’s plan to develop northern Australia.’”

    I thought you were joking Egg then I looked at the SMH website

    I cant believe it. Rudd really looks stupid and desperate now.

    A return to “Me Tooism”

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 15, 2013 2:12 pm

    egg, I hope you are right. If Abbott wins I will try to calm down and watch what he actually does in office. Sadly, Rudd seems to the one imploding now.

    “I cant believe it. Rudd really looks stupid and desperate now.”

    I regret to admit that you have a point there, Walrus. The wheels are falling off the Rudd wagon.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 2:46 pm

    In fact maladministration is the greatest vice of Labor at all levels of government which I put down to the fact that hardly any of their number have ever run a business

    Two things, IH, you obviously don’t live in Queensland under a LibNit government and never have (or you are just being ignorantly obtuse) …

    Secondly, do you have a job?

  16. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 2:49 pm

    Abbott has always had bad press, its his cross to bear, but in government he won’t be the ogre the left imagine.

  17. August 15, 2013 2:57 pm

    “in government he won’t be the ogre the left imagine.”

    Let’s hear you say that in 12 months time.

  18. August 15, 2013 3:00 pm

    Mr Rabid will be on the 730 report tonight.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:01 pm

    I put down to the fact that hardly any of their number have ever run a business

    And you believe that statement doesn’t apply to the Liberal Party? 😯

  20. ozfenric permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:04 pm

    Walrus “And its exactly what the ALP Opposition did in 2007. They released their numbers some 3 days prior to polling… And besides the PEFO contains so much bullshit its impossible to now forecast thanks to Gillard and Rudd “outsourcing” control of the ETS pricing.”
    True enough on point 1. I don’t for a second condone Labor’s approach to last-minute politics – either in releasing of their costings, or bringing complicated and controversial legislation to parliament with an intent to sign it into law twenty minutes later. But the Coalition’s bad numbers last time around give me no cause for confidence that they’ve got them any better this time. Oh, and BTW, the Coalition’s “audit” was released two days prior to the 2010 election.
    WRT the PEFO: on what basis do you claim it’s full of “bullshit”? Labor’s recent revised ES was an attempt to bring their numbers back in line with the objective reality the PEFO was about to dump on them. You might not want to trust the gov’t, but the PEFO is entirely the work of the same treasury that advised Howard & Co, and will shortly be advising Abbott & Co. Or will we be replacing the Treasury with WHK Horwath?

  21. IPA permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:11 pm

    I can understand how Labor supporters feel, honestly I can. When it became obvious Labor would defeat the Howard government I felt the same sense of fear and trepidation. And it was all justified, unfortunately.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:16 pm

    “Oh, and BTW, the Coalition’s “audit” was released two days prior to the 2010 election.”

    I don’t think that is the full story. My recollection is that the Coalition started to submit their policies for costing and then Swan for political purposes leaked some of the results. Robb then called in the Federal Police.

    If the costings had not been leaked the Coalition most probably would have submitted everything. Instead they went elsewhere.

    But the Coalition’s bad numbers last time around give me no cause for confidence

    They actually were not bad. In fact Treasury said they were better than Labors. That was the bottom line. Just not as good as the Coalition were claiming.

    Please get your facts right.

  23. ozfenric permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:25 pm

    Neil of Sydney – I am happy to be corrected. I’m not aware of that statement by Treasury – can you point me to it? For the record, my statement about “bad numbers” is based most recently on the following reference: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/blogs/the-dreyfus-files/coalition-should-have-red-faces-over-costings-20111207-1oigi.html – the “budget black hole” is common knowledge and there are lots of reports that reference it.

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:33 pm

    After all the huffing and puffing the bottom line was that the Coalitions numbers in 2010 were better than Labors. It was just not as good as they were claiming.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-01/treasury-finds-black-hole-in-coalition-costings/2245360

    The Coalition said their policies would improve the budget by $11B. Treasury said this was wrong . It was a $0.86B-$4.5B improvement.

    But Treasury analysis given to Tony Windsor and his fellow independents Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter shows the Coalition’s promises would only add between $860 million and $4.5 billion to the bottom line.”

    For Labor, Treasury said this

    “Labor said its promises would improve the Budget bottom line by about $44 million over four years, but Treasury says it is actually more than that – about $106 million
    .”

    Not surprising since it would have been Treasury who costed Labors policies in the first place i would think.

  25. Dianne permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:38 pm

    My mother thought the end of the world was nigh after 9/11 and stocked up with bottles of water and cans (large, economy) of Ardmona clingstone peaches now drummed off shelves by Coles Homebrand. I am fearful I may have the end times gene because I am writing this by battery torch under the bed with the Reds awaiting the announcement that TA will run the first Murdocracy. Equally terrifying is the very slight chance that Rudd will retain Precioussssss. Julia where are you? Oh daughter of upright, no-nonsense Wales how sane and normal you appear now.

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:40 pm

    I meant not surprising that Labors numbers agreed fairly much with Treasury since i think it would have been Treasury who costed Labors number anyway before they were submitted. Unless Labor had someone else do their number which I doubt.

    Bottom line

    Coalition says $11.5B improvement

    Treasury say $0.86-$4.5B improvement

    Media screams $11B BLACK HOLE!!!!!!

  27. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:46 pm

    Go Tony!!

  28. Walrus From His Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:47 pm

    “…on what basis do you claim it’s full of “bullshit”?…”

    In the sense of their projections as to what the price per tonne will be under an ETS. Part of the revenue side of the Budget (sale of permits) has been moved from a fixed price multiplied by estimates of tonnes to a completely unknown/forecast “floating” price multiplied by estimates of tonnes.

    We are actually better off sticking with the Carbon Tax if we want to even attempt to get our forecasts correct.

  29. Walrus From His Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:54 pm

    “The wheels are falling off the Rudd wagon.”

    It is somewhat amusing.

    In 2007 Rudd morphed himself into a “Fiscal Conservative” or “Howard Lite”.

    But just like “Real Julia” we quickly found out about “Real Kevin”.

    Now he’s started a campaign as the “Good Old Uncle Kevin07” but that hasn’t worked so he’s rolled out his new plans for Northern Australia.

    I think he’s morphing himself into Tony Abbott this time.

  30. Walrus From His Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 3:59 pm

    A $70Billion Hole ?

    I dont think so………..

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/fact-checker-does-the-coalition-have-a-70b-black-hole-20130805-2r8po.html

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:00 pm

    We are actually better off sticking with the Carbon Tax if we want to even attempt to get our forecasts correct.

    Make yer fkn mind up, Wally!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Welcome, ozfenric, I’m afraid you’ll discover that, Kneel, is a Young Liberal who simply quotes his supervisor’s latest twaddle … and right now should be doing his school homework!

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:02 pm

    Oh, and Wally fancies himself as good with numbers (up to 10 at least … ) 😉

    he’s a CPA* dontcha know … does tax an’ everyfink …

  33. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:04 pm

    God I hope Tony shuts down the Department of Climate Change.

  34. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:10 pm

    ‘Let’s hear you say that in 12 months time.’

    No worries.

  35. Walrus From His Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:12 pm

    Thank Deity for Tony’s Direct Action.

    Its much easier to walk away from than a Carbon Tax or ETS

  36. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:14 pm

    ‘We are actually better off sticking with the Carbon Tax if we want to even attempt to get our forecasts correct.’

    Scrap the fkn tax …. Go Tony.

  37. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:20 pm

    And dismantle the clean energy thingy, sack the Klimatariat (Department of Climate Change) and all scientists who have papers suggesting CO2 causes global warming.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:21 pm

    And dismantle the clean energy thingy, sack the Klimatariat (Department of Climate Change) and all scientists who have papers suggesting CO2 causes global warming

    Noddy Newman is looking for someone just like you, egg …

  39. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:23 pm

    ‘Noddy Newman is looking for someone just like you, egg …’

    A speech scribe?

  40. ozfenric permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:35 pm

    egg: “…and all scientists who have papers suggesting CO2 causes global warming.” That should save quite a bit of money, since that’s, um, all of them.
    (All actual climate scientists, I mean – I guess I’d better be pedantic before someone starts shouting at me about, I dunno, geologists like Ian Plimer.)
    (I guess I should add that I do know that <1% of climate scientists dispute the statement, but as I work in research, I'm classifying that as a statistical error.)

  41. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:50 pm

    100% of people who quote percentages of scientists as being authoritative evidence of the existence of a scientific fact are full of shit.

    Welcome, by the way, ozfentric. Hang around long enough and you’ll find TB has had more careers than he has lived years. And that’s a fucking lot!!

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:51 pm

    I’d certainly line up the activist “scientists” and politicians who bum-rushed the country into wasting billions on desal plants and expensive electricity and ask them to compensate the community. And then I’d lock them up like the white-collar criminals they are.

  43. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 4:55 pm

    ‘I’m classifying that as a statistical error.’

    That’s funny… welcome oz.

  44. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:01 pm

    I reckon Abbott will spend the next three years slowly turning his weathervane South on the whole climate change thing with a view to shutting the whole scam down after the next election. At least I fkn hope so.

    I wonder how old Marcel Kincaid is going these days.

  45. Walrus From His Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:36 pm

    “Hang around long enough and you’ll find TB has had more careers than he has lived years”

    🙂

  46. Walrus From His Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:40 pm

    Ozfenric sounds harmless enuf

    I reckon he/she would be one of those types who get around in a Toyota Prius.

  47. IPA permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:42 pm

    Speaking of the 99% one percent …

    Climate scientist: “I believe advocacy by climate scientists has damaged trust in the science.”

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:44 pm

    … but as I work in research …

    Oh, oh … that should be fun for those here on the “right” of the political spectrum …

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:47 pm

    Hang around long enough and you’ll find TB has had more careers than he has lived years.

    Quite true, James … but at least I’ve had careers and yep, more than one …

  50. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 5:52 pm

    ‘weathervane South on the whole climate change thing with a view to shutting the whole scam down’

    He will if he can, but instead of a landslide he may just gain a comfortable majority, yet not win both houses.

    Abbott is a political pragmatist, a double D election may prove unpopular, but it would show his true mantle… a statesman and charismatic leader.

    It would be over a single issue and hotly debated in coffee shops and late nite bistros.

    Anyway, he would rather avoid being responsible for causing a riot.

  51. August 15, 2013 6:40 pm

    He’s still the ‘resident nutter’!

    What’s really tragic, in all of this, is the blind angst of rusted-ons from the other side who still think they’re gonna steal the game again. Fuck, are they in for a shock when Abbott gets up. 😯
    Sadly, they’ll blame all kinds of external forces when the ALP gets its helping of humble-pie. That won’t help amelioration of the defeat at all.

    I’m starting to see it all as ‘perhaps the ALP have had their turn, made some fundamental blunders, for which they’re not going to be forgiven at this juncture & the Opposition therefore gets a tilt’? That’s ‘democracy’ in a duopoly for you…a swinging pendulum, which actually doesn’t swing very far…and the status quo is, more or less, maintained.

    I only hope that the defeat isn’t too imbalanced, ensuring some sort of moderation. Also, it would be nice if Abbott doesn’t turn out to be the arsehat that I know him to be.

    Time will tell.

    At least there aren’t any wars on the horizon for the pantswetting conservative fucktards to plunge us into, neck deep in Uncle Sam’s arse. At the moment.

  52. August 15, 2013 6:42 pm

    “My parents used to tell me how much smarter my generation was to theirs … unfortunately, I can’t say the same for the generations that have followed … ”

    What a conceited load of baby booming tripe!

  53. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 6:48 pm

    ‘…a swinging pendulum, which actually doesn’t swing very far…and the status quo is, more or less, maintained.’

    Agree….and our democracy is fairly stable because of it.

  54. August 15, 2013 6:52 pm

    “they don’t want to provide the numbers in consideration of our poor attention spans. This is worse than disrespect. It is downright contempt for the voters, and what saddens me is that they’re likely to get away with it.”

    Strongly agree.

    Maybe TB is right about some of those who comprise post-boomer generations after all.

  55. August 15, 2013 6:53 pm

    I can live with most of what Abbott will likely do…but his retarded social conservatism should be put under a tractor & killed.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 15, 2013 7:13 pm

    “and our democracy is fairly stable because of it.”

    If it wasn’t a duopoly it would be worse. The experiment in minority government was bad enough. It would be even worse if the Greens or Katter got to run the show.

    People don’t want to give government to an inexperienced party, and rightly so. The way a duopoly works is that the major parties change to attempt to capture the public mood of the time. If the people really do want to move to a more socialist high debt high services model at least one of the major parties will adopt policies like that. The Hawke government was more fiscally responsible than the government it replaced because it correctly guessed that that was what people wanted.

    The problem we have now is the quality of the politicians on offer and their ability to offer a coherent package. Abbott fails miserably and Rudd is not quite as bad. Obviously if the polls are right others see it differently.

  57. IPA permalink
    August 15, 2013 7:19 pm

    ABC News just fact checked Kevette and found him to be Making Shit Up (the official term).

    The ABC has joined Teh Hate Media.

  58. ozfenric permalink
    August 15, 2013 7:22 pm

    Walrus: “Ozfenric sounds harmless enuf…. I reckon he/she would be one of those types who get around in a Toyota Prius.”

    Do I know you?

    (Just finished driving home in my Prius.)

  59. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 7:52 pm

    Uncanny….

  60. August 15, 2013 8:11 pm

    “If it wasn’t a duopoly it would be worse. ”

    Hmmm, it’s all relatively non-damaging, until one side or the other has a disproportionate victory & grants carte blanche to its lobbyists & ideologues.

    I agree that it works reasonably well most of the time, but its never ideal for everyone. Still, civilised compromise is what ensures that people of differing worldviews can cohabitate.

  61. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 9:05 pm

    ‘Still, civilised compromise is what ensures that people of differing worldviews can cohabitate.’

    Unlike the Egyptian model.

  62. egg permalink
    August 15, 2013 9:43 pm

    “When our comprehensive northern Australian paper was released earlier, the government was out there pillorying our proposal for consideration of things like zonal tax rebates, so all I can say is Mr Rudd has entirely changed his tune,” Mr Abbott said.

    “So far since becoming Prime Minister Mr Rudd has vindicated the Coalition’s position on the carbon tax, he has vindicated the Coalition’s position on offshore processing, he’s vindicated the Coalition’s position on nepotism and corruption inside the Labor party and now he’s vindicated our position on northern Australia,” he said.

    “On all of these issues Mr Rudd is playing catch-up but he’s not fair dinkum and he never gets it right.”

  63. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 10:02 pm

    “(Just finished driving home in my Prius.)”

    What the fuck !

    My crystal ball works

    LOL

    That’s hilarious

  64. Meta permalink
    August 15, 2013 10:05 pm

    (Yes, surely “What’s an SEZ?” remembers Rudd’s plans for infrastructure, tax breaks and incentives, surrounding the original MRRT, itself a nucleus for broader and deeper whole-of-economy reforms, also mooted at the time…and decried by who?.)

  65. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 15, 2013 11:09 pm

    And the reason I said a Prius was because I saw one this morning stopped by a Sydney Highway Patrol Cop on a Motorcycle.

    And I thought ” how odd”

    What next Corollas at Bathurst ?

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2013 2:10 am

    I’m just not fond of Abbott, Hockey, Bishop, Abetz etc

    They just don’t quite seem up to the job, just like Gillard, Swan, Emerson etc

    The current lot is the safe option.
    ===========
    This is no holiday iatw – it’s a grind

  67. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:08 am

    I agree with you Tom about the safer option even though I will never agree with your low opinion of Julia Gillard. I don’t think I have ever feared an incoming government before but I do this one. The Liberals are no longer the party of Deakin and Menzies. They are too radical for me. I don’t fear Tony Abbott so much as an individual but I do fear what he will do at the behest of the far right in his party. The Evil Twins will be back: very conservative social policies and rampant free marketeering. Those of you who support the liberals should be very careful of what you wish for and those of you who make glib remarks about selling off the ABC should think again. Do you really want to live in a country whose government which, I fear, will continue to be largely supported by most of the mainstream media as it is now?

  68. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 7:21 am

    As we have discussed before, Fairfax supports Labor and the Murdocracy supports the Coalition this time around. This is fine, but having the state run ABC supporting the government is disgraceful.

  69. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 7:55 am

    Eye of the beholder there I guess. Perceptions of political bias are one thing although I find it difficult to accept that Julia Gillard was given a free ride by Aunty, but one should also consider the cultural and social importance of the national broadcaster to this far flung land.

  70. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 8:06 am

    And Egg I know it passes unremarked these days that media proprietors have the right to support a particular political party. Indeed. Proprietors and editors have always campaigned but the code of ethics for journalists explicitly states that they are required to report fairly and accurately. I do not believe this is happening. I wonder if we are seeing the re emergence of partisan pamphlet style journalism which predated mass circulation newspapers. I agree with Malcolm Turnbull who has clearly stated that in this time of media upheaval, the ABC is more important than ever. I am not interested at all in reading anyone’s propaganda even if it expresses views with which I am comfortable.

  71. Evil Walrus On His Deathstar (22 Days Until Touchdown) permalink
    August 16, 2013 8:38 am

    “This is no holiday iatw – it’s a grind”

    Of course it is. The joint’s full of pole dancers you’ll notice.

    LOL

  72. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 9:17 am

    Maybe the private space industry would find a northern economic zone attractive.

    SpaceX’s Grasshopper Steers Side-to-Side in Cool New Video

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2013 9:26 am

    ” I do not believe this is happening”

    You could be right. Take the 2010 election. The Coalition said their policies would improve the budget by $11.5B. Treasury analysis was different. Treasury said Coalition policies only helped the budget by $0.86B-$4.5B.

    But the bottom line was the Coalitions policies did help the budget, just not as much as they claimed. So what did the media print???

    $11B BLACK HOLE

    In contrast Labors policies only helped the budget by only $0.1B. So the Coalitions policies were better according to Treasury. But you never got that idea from the way journalists wrote their articles.

    People should question why Tony Windsor sided with Labor in 2010 since Treasury said the Coalitions policies were better. But all Windsor blabbed about was $11B BLACK HOLE

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 16, 2013 10:02 am

    Richo, sadly:

    As week two draws to a close, my depression is now more acute. I ended last week’s column with an exhortation to Rudd to rediscover his form. Like most of my advice, it has been ignored at best, or at worst is regarded as undoable. At the start of this long march, my view was Labor would lose 10 seats. That view is now looking optimistic. If some fire and energy from the Rudd campaign does not manifest itself immediately it will be little consolation for Rudd to claim he “only lost 20 when Gillard would have lost 40”. On September 7 the prize for coming second is irrelevance.

  75. ozfenric permalink
    August 16, 2013 10:24 am

    In my opinion, there is a qualitative difference between “bad assumptions” and “bad numbers”. Neil keeps saying “improve the budget by $11bn”. This was in relation to election promises that required that much money to fund. The “black hole” was in unfunded election promises. That’s bad numbers.
    Labor’s (via the Treasury) allegedly bad form with budget predictions over the past couple of terms, on the other hand, are due to estimate and forecasts being off target. Labor can at least do its sums, inasmuch as the promises and spending it commits are covered by the numbers as known. It is legitimate to claim that the regular over-estimates of revenue, and committing to spending every last dollar of that revenue, is a strategic weakness, but it’s not the same kind of economic illiteracy.
    This time around, of course, we don’t have any numbers from the Coalition to balance against their spending commitments, so we’ll just have to take them on faith when they say they’ll not raise taxes, abolish several major sources of revenue, not repeal the subsidies to the electorate that come along with those sources of revenue, and still have the money to engage in nation building and stuff like, you know, running a government. And somehow have more money at the end of it all than Labor has now.
    Incidentally, the claim that Labor’s reliance on treasury numbers proves that they are bad economic managers overstates the case. Politifact found that Treasury “compared well in their estimates against its peers globally and against local economic forecasters” (http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/03/joe-hockey/hockey-says-government-numbers-every-number-wrong/).

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2013 10:52 am

    The “black hole” was in unfunded election promises. That’s bad numbers.”

    Does it really matter?? The bottom bottom bottom line of the 2010 Coalition policies is that they helped the budget more than Labors according to Treasury.

    All Windsor could talk about was they were up to $11B less than what the Coalition claimed. But they were still better than Labors. Windsor was just looking for any excuse not to side with Abbott.

    And are these costings any good anyway?? Labor said in 2007 we would have an NBN costing $4.7B and finished in 5 years

  77. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:17 am

    Kevette declared on 27th June that “The China resources boom is over”. That’s news to China, apparently, and to some of our biggest miners. The people who bet with their own money don’t believe him, either. BHP’s share price has risen 18% since Rudd’s announcement. Either Kev’s telling the electorate porkie-pies, or he’s being poorly advised. Either way, it’s further proof of Labor’s unfitness for re-election.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:22 am

    Maybe TB is right about some of those who comprise post-boomer generations after all.

    Your “generalisation” chastisement accepted … 😛

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My crystal ball works

    Only because you believe what you want to believe … I just started up my II3A APC in the garage … you didn’t “see” that did you?

    What next Corollas at Bathurst ?

    Impossible now, since the big V8 manufacturers were embarrassed by turbo charged Nissans in the 80’s (from memory)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Does it really matter??

    NO! Because its now 2013 … and … we will NEVER know … a budget is not fixed in time or space a good budget is a flexible budget as any manager worth his/her salt will tell you …

    The LibNits LOST the 2010 election … this is the 2013 election … its not so much the dodgy numbers game so much as the dodgy processes the LibNits employ … a private accounting company is not “neutral” its looking after its client … the Treasury – based on 112 years of history looks after the country and its people …

  79. Walrus from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:24 am

    Kevette’s really up against it in his own seat. Queensland is a very tolerant society.

    Make sure you read the comments

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/east/kevin-rudd-challenger-for-griffith-sherrilyn-church-proudly-opposes-islam-and-wants-mosques-banned/comments-fni9r0lo-1226697819312

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:25 am

    “Labor’s (via the Treasury) allegedly bad form with budget predictions over the past couple of terms, on the other hand, are due to estimate and forecasts being off target.”

    Allegedly??? “Bleeding obvious” is more accurate.

    “Treasury “compared well in their estimates against its peers globally and against local economic forecasters”

    What a stupid argument that is. It is of a kind with the argument that our debt situation isn’t as diabolical as some other countries’ so we damn well better keep spending.

    In each case the comparison provides cover for more government spending. The real question is whether there is a way for Treasury to be more accurate with its modelling. At least it should give us more detail on the underlying assumptions.

    Likewise the real question on debt is not how we compare to other countries but whether large government debt should be a permanent feature of the Australian economy, continually ramping up to pay for better services (if we are lucky), white elephants and fantastical feelgood green schemes? We should also understand when and how we will repay the debt, and ask ourselves is it fair to the next generation to expect them to fund benefits for this one. Because the debt isn’t going to be repaid anytime soon and once it becomes a permanent feature of our national accounts, it will keep on going up as idiot politicians keep reaching for the lolly jar..

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:25 am

    Either way, it’s further proof of Labor’s unfitness for re-election.

    Over the top, ToSY, based upon an “opinion” … perhaps on “your” advice Kev Kumbak should restore the original terms of the MRRT?

  82. Walrus from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:27 am

    “The people who bet with their own money don’t believe him, either. BHP’s share price has risen 18% since Rudd’s announcement”

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

    That sounds like someone my wife knows ………….:)

  83. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:28 am

    I can’t add up so I will leave budget black holes to my betters. And believe me you are. I am however good at smelling rats and that northern economic zone/food bowl for Asia is one big rodent. Does anyone take our leaders seriously with all their mystical musings about El Dorado, Utopia, Elysium fields of waving rice, Shangri-la, Arcadia in Never-Never land. Fool’s Paradise more like. The soil is the oldest, tired old stuff. Geese ate the rice experiment at Humpty Doo. I believe some pest/bacteria got the rice at the Ord. I am no expert but I would always listen to experts before Rudd and Abbott. But then William Lane convinced some poor deluded souls to follow him to Patagonia at the end of the 19th century.

  84. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:29 am

    “That sounds like someone my wife knows ………….:)”

    Yes, I know someone who is benefitting too. 😉

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:32 am

    About this Northern development, I think we were told the best way to defend Australia is not to develop the North. No infrastructure means an Army cannot march from Darwin to Sydney.

  86. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:32 am

    ‘based upon an “opinion”’

    My opinion is that, on this matter at least, Rudd is lying or incompetent.

  87. Walrus from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:34 am

    “Yes, I know someone who is benefitting too.”

    LOL

    That second article of yours mirrors the article about Santos in the Oz yesterday. I almost fell off my chair to read in 2016 they expect to ship 10 times the amount of gas OS once Gladstone LNG is completed.

    And of course Santos is the “ugly sister” compared to Woodside.

  88. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:35 am

    If it comes to defending Australia Neil, I don’t think marching armies are going to play a big role.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:37 am

    I am however good at smelling rats and that northern economic zone/food bowl for Asia is one big rodent.

    I think you are dead right, Di, from what I saw last night on either 10 News or Lateline (I was flicking back and forth waiting for the 10 story on a cancer breakthrough) … agricultural economists say its a furphy and has been mooted and failed by pollies for decades … apparently another tax payer funded, $1 billion folly …

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:40 am

    No infrastructure means an Army cannot march from Darwin to Sydney.

    Kneel, its 2013 not 1813 … armies don’t march to battlegrounds they fly or drive … and what makes you think that an invading force would land in the North …

    And I don’t want to frighten you … but the ADF could comfortably all sit together in the MCG …

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:41 am

    “another tax payer funded, $1 billion folly …”

    In your dreams, TB. $1 billion doesn’t buy you much folly these days, not even half a desal plant. If either of the fuckers go through with this it will cost a whole lot more than that.

    Rudd needs to calm down, take a day off and then get back to basics. He should not announce any more spending and focus on setting up the economy so we can afford the disability scheme and the education reforms when it comes time to pay for them.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:46 am

    In your dreams, TB. $1 billion doesn’t buy you much folly these days

    Sorry, sb, the $1 Bllion has already been squandered invested in failed unsuccessful projects …

    I thoroughly agree with the last para of your post …

  93. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:50 am

    Yes TB about every 10 years some politician will go all Messiah on us and reveal himself as a Man-of-Vision and start talking grandiosely about Northern Australia. The Ord scheme is 50 plus years old and has yet to live up to hopes and dreams. I think they are growing camphor trees up there now under one of those investment schemes – getting into financial areas now so I am fogging up. Why do we let Abbott and Rudd jaw on and on? Wouldn’t I love to hurl out sham debates and have both leaders grilled by experts on one policy area at a time.

  94. Walrus from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:50 am

    For those of you remotely interested we dont even have a large scale abbatoir north of Cairns.

    So the plan is to build one in Darwin* because apparently there is a market for beef to our north somewhere.

    Now who would have thought 🙂

    http://www.beefcentral.com/processing/article/2891?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Beef+Central+news+headlines+18+March+2013&utm_content=Beef+Central+news+headlines+18+March+2013+CID_8a1b4fe5c47927ba7f152f2824478acc&utm_source=eGenerator&utm_term=click+here

    * Yes I do have a modest interest in AACo

  95. Walrus from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:55 am

    “… agricultural economists say its a furphy and has been mooted and failed by pollies for decades”

    Yes it was on Lateline.

    But do you believe economists these days ?

  96. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 12:01 pm

    Neil your comment on an invading army was hilarious. I think you must be a comedian having a bit of fun. Well you make me laugh.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 12:45 pm

    But do you believe economists these days ?

    Economists actually have to make stuff up to graduate!

    I don’t trust anyone who plays “expert” in financial matters … as you know, Wally … 😛

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 12:48 pm

    I think you must be a comedian having a bit of fun.

    He’s a Young Lib who should be at school, actually learning stuff, Di, instead of just guessing all the time, or stating what his YL Supervisor tells him to. 🙄

  99. Walrus from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 1:00 pm

    Oh dear………………..looks like Sarah might be done for………………………..

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/greens-concerned-by-xenophon-deal/story-fn3dxiwe-1226698399610

  100. August 16, 2013 2:21 pm

    …about every 10 years some jumped-up-gardener will go all Messiah on us and reveal himself as a Man-of-Vision and start talking grandiosely about Northern Australia.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 2:29 pm

    … looks like Sarah might be done for…

    What a massive loss that will be … to Sarah … massive gain for Australia!

  102. Walrus Giggling On The Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 3:47 pm

    And for all you Lefties carrying around a bag of asprin to counter the pain inflicted upon you each day you better take a gobful before you read this………….

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/politics/peter_beattie_faces_thrashing_in_UZTj0ZzYiyntHjmEYI9oKJ

  103. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 3:58 pm

    When Rudd dragged Peter Beattie in I thought of surgically altered movie stars who still think they are alluring. A desperate move. What a hokey double act they put on for the cameras. Those beaming full moon faces. I had to have a settling cup of Irish Breakfast. I was disturbed.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:05 pm

    I’m beginning to think that the polls may not necessarily reflect the final poll … we’ll know in 23 days – I guess …

    BTW, Wally, I feel no political pain … just sick (lol!) of this friggin’ ‘flu I’ve had for four days now! 😦

  105. Walrus Giggling On The Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:14 pm

    “I had to have a settling cup of Irish Breakfast.”

    I must say I had a cup of the Twinings Australian Afternoon Tea (I think it was called that) a few weeks ago.

    Very nice

    I always have 2 teabags as I hate anything weaker and no sugar of course as I like to stay bitter and twisted

  106. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:14 pm

    ‘I agree with Malcolm Turnbull who has clearly stated that in this time of media upheaval, the ABC is more important than ever.’

    Talcum Labor Lite would say that.

    guffaw

  107. Walrus Giggling On The Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:15 pm

    “just sick (lol!) of this friggin’ ‘flu I’ve had for four days now”

    Have a Bundy and Coke

  108. August 16, 2013 4:21 pm

    Have a bottle & a half of Dimple…

  109. Walrus Giggling On The Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:23 pm

    “Have a bottle & a half of Dimple…”

    Yeah

    It got rid of Bon Scott’s cold

  110. Walrus Giggling On The Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:30 pm

    “I’m beginning to think that the polls may not necessarily reflect the final poll … “

    I think the Primary is probably correct but I don’t think the 2PP is quite right.

    Especially in Newspoll which calculates 2PP by distributing 85% of the non ALP/LNP to the ALP based on the 2010 result.

    That was OK when the Greens were the major non ALP/LNP party but as we know they have gone backwards and now we also have Katter and Palmer and that will largely go to LNP.

    But I’m sure Baachus and TomR are out there somewhere reassuring “everyone” that this is all going to plan……………ROFLMAO

  111. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 4:42 pm

    ‘Neil your comment on an invading army was hilarious. I think you must be a comedian having a bit of fun. Well you make me laugh.’

    I second that, good effort nils.

  112. August 16, 2013 4:58 pm

    niels nils bohr bore…

  113. August 16, 2013 4:59 pm

    * a non-Russian scientist!

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 5:31 pm

    *non …

  115. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 5:37 pm

    Atom man…

  116. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 5:44 pm

    *no

  117. August 16, 2013 5:55 pm

    *nyet!

  118. August 16, 2013 5:56 pm

    *nein!

  119. August 16, 2013 5:58 pm

    Наши ученые слышал о вашей презренной Нил Сиднея …, и они работают на пути, чтобы обмануть его в глотая смертельной дозы плутония.

  120. August 16, 2013 5:59 pm

    Нил Сидни хочет делать детей с Джоном Уинстоном Говардом.

  121. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:04 pm

    Ебут русских ученых.

  122. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:21 pm

    Alert! Neil all is forgiven. I think we have been invaded!!!!!!!!!!!!

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:25 pm

    Whooooooo! ToSY just swore in Russki!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:29 pm

    Watching TV … I get the distinct impression that “journalists” (shiver) press for details from, Kev Kumbak & Ko, but simply ignore asking, Abbott & The Acolytes, questions on the same or similar policies … we certainly have a meejya driven election at the moment …

  125. August 16, 2013 6:31 pm

    Я давно подозревал, что Нил Сиднее ваш щенок. Все это имеет смысл сейчас. Когда вы по умолчанию в режим Нейл вы говорите, что вы действительно думаете. В остальном это просто вежливый фасад …

  126. August 16, 2013 6:32 pm

    Hmmmm, translated ‘sock puppet’ into ‘puppy’…. 😯

  127. August 16, 2013 6:34 pm

    It really isn’t smart politics, TB, for the government to pick a fight with the nation’s largest disseminator during an election campaign.

    The skewing is predictable.

  128. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:45 pm

    We do. We do. For the last two years the media folk have been behaving like a murder of crows pecking at a starling with a broken wing. They couldn’t abide Julia because she did not play the game and butter them up. No doubt TA was charm itself and an former journo himself of course and K Rudd delivered up regular juicy tidbits. But all for nought. Kevin must have thought he was the golden boy, the media’s pin up. Now they are driving their beaks into him and TA will sail into office with nary a curly question asked. I’ll bet many of the ALP stalwarts who hailed the return of Rudd are now doing a bit of soul searching.

  129. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 6:54 pm

    The PM has a big head to match his ego, but more importantly…

    ‘A LIBERAL MP has endorsed Labor’s National Broadband Network by switching it on in her electorate with Deputy Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.’

    Packham / Oz

    As Kev has stolen the monk’s clothes on many issues, it would do the Coalition no harm in endorsing the NBN rollout, with a caveat.

  130. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 7:00 pm

    Черт! Мой подлый план был сорван.

  131. August 16, 2013 7:07 pm

    Я немного больше включено, чем средняя садовник пейзаж … Вы никогда не стояли шансы идти незамеченными.

  132. IPA permalink
    August 16, 2013 7:14 pm

    Я никогда не был замечен в одной комнате с Нилом Сиднея.

  133. August 16, 2013 7:16 pm

    Так же, как я и подозревал.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 7:16 pm

    LOL! ToSY nie jest tak wyrafinowany! Czy on jest?

    As Kev has stolen the monk’s clothes on many issues

    The (wannabe) emperor HAS no clothes …

    If Kevin Kumbak hasstolen the Monk’s policies then its time the “journo’s” start asking the Lib’s how they will carry out strategy … so we can compare with the ALP’s BS!

  135. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 7:48 pm

    Abbott should throw caution to the wind and have a very public meeting with ANDEV.

  136. August 16, 2013 7:58 pm

    fuck ANDEV…

  137. egg permalink
    August 16, 2013 8:15 pm

    Developing the north was Gina’s idea…. credit where credit is due.

    What I’m suggesting is a blatant display of honesty from Australia’s next PM.

  138. August 16, 2013 8:51 pm

    It pains me to say that the Boney Abbot doll arrived this week and was an instant hit with the dog, the Droolia doll was a complete waste of money the dog hasn’t touched it.
    She’s been carrying round the Tony doll like her life depends on it.
    No Kevin doll has been released by the Adelaide pet shop, and seems no point really.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2013 9:23 pm

    Abbott is likely to rank with Billy McMahon.

  140. Dianne permalink
    August 16, 2013 9:24 pm

    Are you talking about Ears Tom?

  141. August 16, 2013 10:37 pm

    Greetings from Singapore!

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2013 10:42 pm

    Salam kembali kepada anda, sreb! 🙂

  143. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:19 pm

    I thought ToMwas grinding his timeout with a beer and a pole dancer in BKK

  144. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 16, 2013 11:21 pm

    Oops.

    I just got it.

    Rebs in Singapore

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2013 4:36 am

    Go for quality, particularly when Abbott is such a goose

  146. August 17, 2013 7:01 am

    Listen to this Guys its lovely!

  147. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 7:46 am

    ‘I just got it.’

    Me too.

  148. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 8:06 am

    One thing is for certain Tom, Abbott is a warrior who plays to win and will do so. Handsomely. That is my fear. I never want any government sitting pretty in an upholstered buffer zone. They want to DO things. Doing things means Upheaval mostly. It is like your bossy mother-in-law rearranging your household while you are away, throwing out items which may be grubby and frayed but beloved just the same and filling the vases with hideous gerberas to signify a bright future. Eek! Leave me alone.

    We will soon see if Tony is a goose or only pretendin’. He could well turn out to be Mr Cunningly-Sleigh, artful raider of henhouses. He certainly has Howard’s sly eyes. Or maybe I am completely wrong and he is a goose and will just do the bidding of the tea bag zealotry.

    All will be revealed soon enough. Or will it? Will we continue to have the Unreal Tony delivered to us by the Vaseline smeared lens of the Meedja? I fear so.

    Meanwhile the barnyard sleeps.

  149. August 17, 2013 8:29 am

    What Dianne said.

    We are getting a very sanitised ‘Moderate Tony’ at the moment. A small target, immune from scrutiny of important intentions.

    If he keeps his mouth shut & his darkside hidden behind the mask for a few more weeks, he will win in a canter.

    For the good of everyone on this island, I only hope it’s a ‘moderate’ victory.

  150. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 8:38 am

    That is my wish too T. A fervent wish. But I don’t hold out much hope. Those Labor geese have foisted a big Turkey on us. Btw do you know why turkeys are so derided. We pay a lot for them at Christmas.

  151. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:28 am

    ‘For the good of everyone on this island, I only hope it’s a ‘moderate’ victory.’

    Kevette saved the party from a complete rout which, in a funny sort of way, means Abbott won’t have to contend with an unwieldy and demanding Coalition back bench.

  152. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:36 am

    I am not as confident as you are Egg. There will be plenty of others apart from back benches who will be lining up with wish-lists-with-menaces after the election. Just wait.

  153. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:37 am

    Correction: back benchers although some of those are certainly thick and wooden.

  154. August 17, 2013 9:42 am

    Backbenchers are the least of my concerns.

    Rightwing thinktanks & corporate lobbyists & gross mining magnates will all call in favours.

  155. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:56 am

    Absolutely T. There will be a queue. All feeling entitled. Depending on your point of view, it will be ugly.

  156. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 10:03 am

    We keep hearing that Queenslanders do not want a Newman type in Canberra. But I am not convinced. We keep being told that Australians are anti-authoritarian too. I think we love Authority. It must be the convict gene. We feel we deserve the lash. Despite our multi culturalism the yearning for the cat-o-nine tails is deep within us. Ah Catholic guilt plays a role too. The Irish are a submissive lot.

  157. August 17, 2013 10:20 am

    Die vergeltung kommt!

  158. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 10:37 am

    ‘Rightwing thinktanks & corporate lobbyists & gross mining magnates will all call in favours.’

    There will be a bit of that, for example, there may be a push to eliminate the Direct Action Plan and Green Army. Which can only be a good thing.

  159. August 17, 2013 11:55 am

    The `premature-eSpeculation` that the `suppository`(go!) of teabag wisdom will be `prezedent` after the election, by the troll media, is false.

    Troll media make the following assumptions,
    1/ teabags won`t lose any seats (false)
    2/ both Oakshot and Windsor seats will go teabag (false)
    3/ only watermelons will lose seats (false)
    (most of troll media`s other assumptions are wrong too)
    +
    1+3/ katter`s kittens will get seats (3or4) off mainly Nats.
    2/ can`t say for Oakshot`s seat yet,
    but on Windsor`s seat, the `battle` is over.
    As my new-england source has told me previously, there is quite a `strong` anybody-but-barnaby outfit in new-england.
    Source has also just told me, new-england independent Rob-Taber will be the victor.
    +
    reasonably accurate Taber item from my abc
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/independent-candidate-nominates-in-new-england/4887544

  160. August 17, 2013 12:49 pm

    7.30 is the only truly sane one here. There are still 3 weeks to go until election day. Australian politics are much more volatile these days. Those of you with any ticker left need to get out there and do some work on the ground for one of the ALP candidates.

    It is no use being happy with a smaller Liberal victory. FFS don’t die wondering! It isn’t much to ask.

  161. August 17, 2013 1:17 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Australian politics are much more volatile these days.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    l`ve been say`in that for about a year now.
    Why your change of heart sncky-walrus-egg-kneel`osy.?
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ” ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Those of you with any ticker left ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    The troll media haven`t had `ticker` for decades now, lt is a bit hard to demand `ticker` out of a mis/dis-informed public. *just-sayin*

  162. August 17, 2013 1:32 pm

    TB ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ how much smarter my generation was to theirs … unfortunately, I can’t say the same for the generations that have followed ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    You are wrong to say generations `smarter` than others.
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ I don’t even blame, Abbott, for being the Fuckwit™ that he obviously is, I blame the public for thinking he isn’t! ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    +
    You have been lucky and privileged to have had better information via better `quality` media reporting l suspect. Older gens would not have had the `quantity` of media sources. Younger gens have had higher `concentration` reporting eg`stop-teh-boats`.
    Your gen TB, have been able to experience `the-sweet-spot`. *Agree with the rest*

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2013 1:46 pm

    *Agree with the rest*

    So pleased, 007 … 🙄

    … as for this paternalistic tripe …

    Those of you with any ticker left need to get out there and do some work on the ground for one of the ALP candidates.

    You seem to have time on your hands … ? 😯

  164. IPA permalink
    August 17, 2013 2:10 pm

    “get out there and do some work on the ground for one of the ALP candidates.”

    Guffaw.

  165. August 17, 2013 2:11 pm

    Dianne ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ smelling rats and that northern economic zone/food bowl for Asia is one big rodent.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Yes, it`s total bullshit.
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Does anyone take our leaders seriously with all their mystical musings about El Dorado, Utopia, Elysium fields of waving rice, Shangri-la, Arcadia in Never-Never land. Fool’s Paradise more like.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Only Snacky-walrus-egg-kneel`osy does, he hangs on every word. 🙂
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The soil is the oldest, tired old stuff. ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Yep.
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Geese ate the rice experiment at Humpty Doo.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    The geese couldn`t be contained to Canberra.
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ I believe some pest/bacteria got the rice at the Ord.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Yeah, l heard it was bacteria too Dianne.
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ always listen to experts before Rudd and Abbott.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    or any other duopoly rent-seeker

  166. August 17, 2013 2:25 pm

    “You seem to have time on your hands … ?”

    I’m helping out Bradbury in Lindsay. What about you, oh Great Pontificater?

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2013 2:48 pm

    I’m helping out Bradbury in Lindsay. What about you, oh Great Pontificater?

    Well good for you …

    … better get on it then … instead of telling others what they should do …

    FYI …

    I’m still waiting for my local ALP member to actually DO something … apart from nodding its head behind other pollies on TV and bullshitting to kiddies at my local school (cringe-worthy) about leadership – a subject that was obviously completely alien to the member in question …

    I’ve also been waiting for the email that was promised when I discussed some issues on the street with said member and side kick FIVE weeks ago …

    As for pontificating … either you should look up the meaning of the word … read your own comments, or use your autocratic “skills” on people who may not know what you’re burbling about …

    I don’t support the ALP the Libs the Nats the Greens or any political PARTY … I WILL support competent, honest, truthful, “clean” political representatives who aren’t in the “game” just for personal power, future security, monetary gain, or plain, old, simple GREED …

    If only I could find one …

  168. August 17, 2013 3:31 pm

    Haha, lining up to promote the ALP?!

    No fucking way.

    If they’ve worn out their welcome with the electorate that’s on them…not me.

    Also, I live in one of the safest Liberal seats in the country & I don’t do ‘pissing into a gale’.

  169. August 17, 2013 4:08 pm

    So Dunny, you`ll be out `mincing` on Mr-Poodles behalf.? 🙂

  170. August 17, 2013 4:33 pm

    Updating above, teabags most likely to lose 3 Qld seats,
    and,
    .
    Sophie Mirrabella likely to lose too, T-Windsor is helping another candidate, can`t remember if independent or not.

  171. August 17, 2013 5:27 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ In The National Interest: Preference The Greens Out Of Existence
    Posted on August 14, 2013 by Yale Stephens

    IT’S NOT OFTEN I support — nay, heartily endorse — anything that assists the ALP; even so, an announcement today by Tony Abbott that the Liberal Party will preference the Greens last in every electorate in Australia is welcome, overdue, and should end this noxious cancer on our polity.

    Readers of this column will know well the special place in my heart for the Greens.

    We have discussed them here at The Red And The Blue many times over the journey; some have taken issue with my description of them as Communists’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    http://theredandtheblue.org/2013/08/14/in-the-national-interest-preference-the-greens-out-of-existence/
    +
    guffaw, this site generates some really funny teabag panic, l`m surprised you don`t hang out with them egg.

  172. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 5:34 pm

    I’m a leftard, always have been.

  173. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 5:37 pm

    You are an enigma Egg.

  174. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 5:38 pm

    An Eggnigma. Yeah that’s what u r

  175. August 17, 2013 5:49 pm

    l made no inference on which side you hang your `tard` on egg, and agree that you have plenty of `tard` to spare, l just thought you may like to share some of it with the red/blue comments, as your specialty, Junk-science is being discussed. Anyhoo.

  176. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 5:50 pm

    Not bad.

  177. August 17, 2013 5:52 pm

    Dianne, l believe the word you`re looking for is `enema` 🙂

  178. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 5:53 pm

    6.20 I’m more interested in the science than the politics, but yes, send the watermelons to the never never.

  179. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 6:02 pm

    The Pug

    “He was a good scrummager,” says Phil Crowe, the captain at the time. “He could scrounge on the ground for the ball. He did all the technical things pretty well.”

    ‘In confrontations, he never took a backward step. Sometimes he took a forward one: if an opposing player was giving him a hard time, and the referee wasn’t looking, “He was a bit of a pugilist. He had a quick right jab.”

    Guardian

  180. August 17, 2013 6:05 pm

    egg, You do understand that Junk-science and `doubting` were created for political reasons and, without those political reasons `doubting` and Junk-science would never have existed.?

  181. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 6:12 pm

    So you are stating that Post Normal Science (PNS) is junk?

  182. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 6:52 pm

    That Guardian article by Andy Beckett on Abbott at Oxford is well worth a read. Thankyou Egg.

    A lot of it rakes over familiar territory but it was interesting because it was written by an Englishman. I didn’t know, for example that Abbott’s dad had tried the priesthood before he became a dentist. I didn’t know too that Abbott was a bellicose supporter of Margaret Thatcher which puts him at odds with mentor BA Santamaria on economic policy.

    And what happens in a fervent Christian’s head when he can yell belligerent support of Britain and Maggie Thatcher at those gathered to mourn the deaths of 300 plus young sailors on the Argentinian battleship, the General Belgrano torpedoed by the British during the Falklands War? And then, according to Michael Duffy, upon returning to Sydney, he named his car the General Belgrano.

    Interesting too, according to the author, himself an Oxford grad, boxing was a pragmatic path to an Oxford Blue. Not many students boxed. Anyway why is that wretched Blue brought up all the time? It is in every article longer than 6 paras ever written about TA.

    Less known is that his degree is second-class. If it had been a first with honors we would all know about it.

    He makes me very nervous.

  183. August 17, 2013 7:09 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ send the watermelons `duopoly` to the never never.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

  184. August 17, 2013 7:13 pm

    Hello from Singapore. This place is fucked. Cant wait to leave for Penang tomorrow.

    It’s like Asia’s monument to capitalism – ultra-modern, clean, conservative and focused on corporate success (god eat god mentality). It’s soulless and even the so-called “interesting areas” like Little India, Arab Street, and Haji Lane are like saccharin tourist hellholes..

    It’s hideous.

    I am utterly disgusted right now (r)

  185. August 17, 2013 7:23 pm

    Sounds like a teabag wet-dream reb, good luck for Penang

  186. August 17, 2013 7:31 pm

    declassified, sbs1 news reported, the yanks/cia have released documents and admits Area-51 exists. Previously they denied the existence of Area-51, it`s just no fcuker believed them.

  187. August 17, 2013 7:41 pm

    Thanks 730 .. I love Penang. Looking forward to arriving tomorrow.

  188. Dianne permalink
    August 17, 2013 7:42 pm

    Well Area 51 has certainly never existed in my brain box. I had never heard of it until you mentioned it. My interests are earth-bound. Not enough colour in space, all those grey vinyl suits with zippers, moulded hard plastic furniture, no roast chicken or kelim rugs, daffodils and after dinner mints for breakfast, just two little ones. Bad hairstyles, antennas, creatures with one big eye. No it is better down here. I would rather go to France than the moon.

  189. August 17, 2013 7:55 pm

    Get the fuck out of here…

    Thi…”you`ll be out `mincing` on Mr-Poodles behalf.? “…runs contrary to every word I’ve evr typed…

    * I’m hard onto the Dimple…GO TIGES!… but this time I’m supplementing the 2ned bottle wit 12yo GFlen Fiddich…

  190. August 17, 2013 7:57 pm

    And, for the tragics…let the fuck go!

    It’s spent…the (numb) people are gonna bury you/us!

    The last refuge of…

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:27 pm

    I’m reading that Rudd is likely to get beaten. Abbott is quite unappealing, what’s going on?

    Abbott and Morrison are a couple of dills. It’s not as if they display intelligence or policy innovation or flair, and Abbott needs to go easier on the tanning lotion.
    With all the cosmetics he’s using, I’m tipping that he’ll be the first PM to wear a toupe.

  192. egg permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:37 pm

    ‘what’s going on?’

    The honeymoon is over.

    Abbottabbottabbott……scrap the fkn tax.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2013 9:59 pm

    Here in Bangkok the only news about Australia is asylum seekers. It’s mainly bemusement. With comments like – the are 20 mill worldwide and we are bothered about the 15000 arriving by boat

    I think the panic looks odd from a distance

  194. August 17, 2013 10:27 pm

    I’ve spent most of the day relaxing by the pool, then an hour in the gym and another hour in the spa. I think im ready for a nap now ….

  195. August 17, 2013 10:35 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The honeymoon is over.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Bullshit egg, Mr-Rabbit and Roopert are still madly lusting after each other, just as they have for the last 4/5-years, the sex is still fantastic.
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ what’s going on?’ ‘ ‘
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ I’m reading that Rudd is likely to get beaten.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    yomm, just the usual from noise-polls, no change
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Abbott is quite unappealing, ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    true, no change here either,
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ only news about Australia is asylum seekers. It’s mainly bemusement.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ the panic looks odd from a distance’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    even in the Joolya days, boat-people panic was crank fuel only,

  196. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:57 am

    ‘I’m reading that Rudd is likely to get beaten.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    yomm, just the usual from noise-polls, no change’

    The punters are putting their money on the monk to win.

    http://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/politics/australian-federal-politics/outrights?ev_oc_grp_id=1070370

  197. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 8:09 am

    7.30 I hope you are right but I fear not. I can’t see Abbott losing. Not that Rudd is any prize. . To plunder Jane Austen, both men have delighted as long enough and should leave us. The victor’s head should be hung above every school blackboard as an example to little tots that Relentlessness delivers Forget about empathy, morality, forgiveness, charity: all those things will hold you back. Raw ambition motored by self-absorption is all that is required. Above all be relentless. You will wear everyone out eventually.

  198. August 18, 2013 9:48 am

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ 7.30 I hope you are right but I fear not. I can’t see Abbott losing. ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Dianne, l understand, l don`t know if your old enough to remember a fellow named Hewson who was a `sure`winner for the Libz 2-decades ago(1993.?)


    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Not that Rudd is any prize.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    l don`t think any of the duopoly are any kind of `prize` for the voter, only booby-prize. Over the last few years the politicians that seemed to be acting for the `national` interest were the independents.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 9:49 am

    I’ve spent most of the day relaxing by the pool, (that makes sense) then an hour in the gym (yeah??? 😆 ) and another hour in the spa. (but, but, you said Singapore is fkd 😉 ) I think im ready for a nap now …. LOL! & a G&T no doubt, sahib … 😛 )

    Typical day for a blog tycoon …

    Enjoy, Jummy!

  200. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 9:59 am

    Alas I am old enough to remember Hewson 7.30. Honesty didn’t get him far did it? It is very chastening to remember that at a time when people claim they want honesty from politicians. I have my own superficial theory about why Hewson lost the unloseable. He looked crackers yelling from the back of a ute and he always seemed to be in a wet t-shirt after running between engagements every day. It was off putting to see beads of sweat dropping from lank locks. Likewise if TA loses I will put it down to the budgies, the hairy chest and the pancake makeup. And if I were running the Lib campaign I would cancel all expensive TV ads and just put up billboards of KRudd’s shaving mishap selfie all over town. Says it all to me. I think the campaign was lost with the appearance of that small delight.

  201. IPA permalink
    August 18, 2013 10:22 am

    David Marr on Insiders, talking about people like him: “people like us”.

    David Marr on Insiders, talking about the remainder of the population: “the hungry mob”.

    I’m feeling rather peckish all of a sudden. 😯

  202. August 18, 2013 10:54 am

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Hewson 7.30. Honesty didn’t get him far did it?’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Dianne, l don`t really think `honesty` was the problem, back then, troll-media actually interrogated the bastards, and Hewson stuffed up with his gst-on-the-birthday-cake clap-trap.

    Today troll-media compete for favored`pet` and celebrity status among the Pollies and chattering class, and thus, remain compliant and not challenging. Therefore the public learn shit about anything from any of them.

    0sy just mentioned todays `insiders` where Barrie had David, Gerard and George all together releasing their brain-farts. You missed nothing.

  203. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 11:06 am

    If my fading memory is correct 7.30 Hewson put his whole agenda out for scrutiny during/before the election. Was it called Fightback? He was the non-politician and Keating- my-hero-who-is-on-my-can-do-no-wrong-list-along-with-anything-French, even though I never supported his policies (make of that what you will), carved him up. Phew!

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 11:38 am

    David Marr seems to get a little sooky when he’s picked up on things he’s said in the past.

    Scott Morrison is a verbose nerd and while there are plenty of them in politics, he’s in a class of his own.

  205. IPA permalink
    August 18, 2013 11:46 am

    “David Marr seems to get a little sooky when he’s picked up on things he’s said in the past.”

    Yes, Hendo reminded him that in last year’s The Monthly essay David said the Australian people would never elect Tony Abbott. Current poll trends indicate otherwise.

  206. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 11:55 am

    ‘Scott Morrison is a verbose nerd’

    My business partner, who knows little of politics and always votes with the left, said he looked convincing and strong.

  207. IPA permalink
    August 18, 2013 11:57 am

    David Marr: Political Animal: The Making of Tony Abbott: “Australia doesn’t want Tony Abbott. We never have.”

  208. August 18, 2013 12:06 pm

    “Australia doesn’t want Tony Abbott. We never have.”
    +
    You can replace Mr-Rabbit in that quote osy, and it would ring true to the vast majority of elections where we select the LEAST evil/crap/etc
    +
    Very few elections are positive like 2007, and voters WANTED to vote for.

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 12:07 pm

    Scott Morrison is a verbose nerd …

    ToM, I don’t know what your taking these days (or have stopped taking?? 🙂 ) but don’t stop … you’re making more sense everyday! 😉

  210. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 12:07 pm

    Australia still doesn’t want Tony Abbott. Australia wants Kevin Rudd even less.

  211. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 12:09 pm

    Scott Morrison is a muscular Christian. Not a gentle Jesus man.

  212. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 12:28 pm

    Morrison has this evangelical thing.

  213. August 18, 2013 12:32 pm

    Dianne, l think that more represents the bogan/moron belt of Western Sydney 2gb listeners. lt won`t play out for Mr-Rabbit, the way they are claiming in the media. While Western Sydney is highly regarded for the special kind of imbecile they produce, they won`t be too worried about the billionaires Mr-Rabbit represents.

  214. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 12:35 pm

    s morrison -,From his faith he derives kindness, justice and righteousness. Said so in his maiden speech. Speaks in tongues.

  215. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 12:37 pm

    Can’t see it 7.30. I am starting to withdraw into my own head space. I will start the humming soon as I twist the scissors in my hair.

  216. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2013 1:15 pm

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/ashbygate-emerging/

    …In a nutshell, our witnesses at the Turtle Table say this person alleged he had a long-term affair with Mr Pyne but was jilted when Mr Pyne met and began an affair with James Ashby. Read that again. The guest, moreover, reportedly alleges that Pyne is “up to his neck” in the Ashbygate affair…

    …On the highway between Cairns and Port Douglas lies the Turtle Cove Resort, ‘a Gay & Lesbian, Adults only, Holiday Vacation Resort’. At dinner ,on the night of 15 August 2012, a guest at the Resort loudly shot his mouth off about Mr Pyne. The guest did this in front of many witnesses — some brave enough to sign statements and identify photographs…
    …The identified guest was a former political staffer for at least two former Howard Government ministers. The identified guest has since disappeared into the ether…

    http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Hotel_Review-g255070-d488782-Reviews-or60-Turtle_Cove_Resort-Port_Douglas_Queensland.html#REVIEWS

    25th august, 2012 “Brilliant holiday”

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2013 1:21 pm

    “David Marr seems to get a little sooky when he’s picked up on things he’s said in the past.”

    no, he doesn’t accept hendo trying to misrepresent and twist what he had written some time ago when the polls, at that time, were showing that the public did not like or accept abbott as a PM. The polls have apparently shifted lately [though I think like 730, there is not such a hard-on for abbott as some would like to think].

    It will be interesting.

  218. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 1:36 pm

    Another boat in trouble off Xmas Island with 200 people onboard and this from the SMH.

    ‘People smugglers are concocting a new product to sell to asylum seekers – flying them in on fake visas.’

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2013 1:40 pm

    https://twitter.com/davrosz/status/368727712287842305

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 1:46 pm

    Why is it that Rudd is alleged to have a hair flicking habit? It seems that Abbott has a huge hair fixation with the constant focus on the deep walnut colour and comb over.

    The hate media only picks on Kev’s fixations.

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 1:51 pm

    That’s interesting about Pyne

    I’m a big fan of salacious gossip, particularly if involves sex

    Apparently Penny Wong is gay.

  222. IPA permalink
    August 18, 2013 2:02 pm

    “The reality is Peter Slipper is probably not gay and Thommo has never seen a pro – that is the outrage.”

    Guffaw.

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2013 2:02 pm

    Why is it that Rudd is alleged to have a hair flicking habit?…

    I think he has fine, flyaway hair that blows in the breze, he should just let it get messed up and not worry about trying to ‘fix’ it for the cameras.
    Abbott doesn’t have any hair [on his head] to get messy, he is way too madeover, the fake tans, make up and hair job is such a con job, do anything to ‘sell’ a false image to the unwary voter. Perhaps it is for the bogan appeal, all image and no substance. If he “looks good” isn’t that reason enough to vote for him? [US style prez campaigning].

    But wait, isn’t he supposed to be ‘honest’ and ‘genuine’ – what you see is what you get tony? all the gaffes sexism is just his ‘daggy dad’ moments – nothing for the MSM to get worked up about, quickly move on to another anti labor story!

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 2:09 pm

    Mit Romney had the made over look, though he had more hair. All Abbott needs is the teeth whitening treatment and a toupe

    I’m not a fan of made over blokes (though I think it is entirely suitable for some women).

  225. August 18, 2013 2:19 pm

    armchair, ia very interesting,
    Add Mareke Hardy to your watchlist.
    Mr-Poodle has sued her for claiming he `minces` and engages in bum-sex. lt will be interesting if she ends up dragging Mr-Poodle by the nuts back into court, to recover falsely awarded `damages`, al la liberace style.

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 2:30 pm

    Is there another debate? When?

    I’m tipping that Abbott will increase his use of light tone lipstick and probably go for the jet black hair colour. If don’t think he’ll try the toupe yet.

    Though he may use mascara to cover the crown

  227. August 18, 2013 2:40 pm

    Next so-called debate is coming Wednesday, didn`t hear the time tho, yomm. lt will probably be as `detail`free as the last one, which is why l`m not really bothered if l don`t see it, or any others.

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 2:54 pm

    KL, I just read of the two links re Pyne/Ashby/Brough … sizzling stuff!

    While I did say when the story broke it was treason … they have stayed very slippery for AFP and courts … the closest was Judge Rares comments …

    If there is evidence the big money in town (eg Clivey Pee) will keep it under the lid … pity!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ‘People smugglers are concocting a new product to sell to asylum seekers – flying them in on fake visas.’

    Not eggsactly NEW, just a twist on overstayers on legit vias … fake visas should be relatively easy to intercept these days … you do need a passport …

    BTW, I checked myself through immigration from NZ, my passport is chipped and its a breeze … and very quick!\

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    007 … if Pyne could be shown to be AC/DC …he’s married … mmm … maybe soon we would need to say “married to a woman” ??? Hopefully for all those suffering sexual apartheid!

    Anyway as I was saying … Pyne would face a few other charges and immediately be found in contempt of court … there go Chrissy’s parliament perks …

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 2:55 pm

    Is there another debate? When?

    mmmm … people’s forum in Brisbane I believe …

  230. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 3:22 pm

    Why would TA launch his parental leave scheme at a cafe in the blue ribbon electorate of Higgins? Fashionable young women were there with their babies, all very pleased at the prospect of expected largesse. Am I missing the point or does it emphasize the inequityhighwaymen with high paying jobs receiving more money than mothers with less well paid jobs. I know it is a parental leave scheme but the emphasis seems to be on mothers and babes.

  231. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 3:24 pm

    Don’t know how highwaymen got in there but may be appropriate. Should read inequity of women with high ….

  232. August 18, 2013 3:32 pm

    as with most personal `Liberty`s, l have no truck with Mr-Poodle being ac/dc, gay, or anything else, but l bet his teabag seat, teabag party and wife will
    .
    the abuse of power and lying to the court would be what l want to see `fixed` and teh-Poodle would have to take his Lumps, ac/dc or not

  233. August 18, 2013 3:43 pm

    Yes Dianne, Mr-Rabbit`s women of `quality` will receive blue-fcuking-ribbon `deal`, those getting $160Kpa will get 80K under the deal.

    Poor bastards at the bottom of the economy, earning 30Kpa or less under casual, part-time, junk-job status, will not get the 15K, as the will be sacked under the `flexibilty` fetish.

    *blue ribbon welfare for the high earners*

  234. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 3:49 pm

    Most unequal. But why launch it at a cafe in a blue ribbon electorate where those attending appear to be at the well-heeled end. One report spotted a leopard print coat, $70 fruitcakes and Louis Vuitton handbag. Why wouldn’t you head further out into the ‘burbs’ and launch among the middle income mums. Am I missing something?

  235. August 18, 2013 3:57 pm

    coz the blue ribbon seat is the only place that will benefit, just as most working class don`t benefit from superannuation perks, they won`t benefit too much on this either

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:00 pm

    l have no truck with Mr-Poodle

    Nor me … if that’s what you thought, 007 …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why wouldn’t you head further out into the ‘burbs’ and launch among the middle income mums. Am I missing something?

    “Cause he just might get an earful from a couple of lower paid mums/to be about the (obvious to anyone with half a brain) inequity of the scheme …

    Funny that a person’s asset’s and income are means tested to LOWER the amount of any pension you are entitled to … ie the more you have the less you get … with this scheme the more you have the more you get …

    … the middle/upper class welfare in the extreme!

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:06 pm

    I’m not so bothered about Abnott’s parental leave policy. A while ago I posted a link to an OECD table of those operating in developed countries.

    The one Gillard introduced is among the bottom for benefits and Abbott’s is in the top few but not the most generous

    I think we have had too much emphasis on the welfare side of parenting and no where near enough on the working side of the equation. I think ot is vital that intelligent, educated women are encouraged to breed

    (and by the way, I’m willing go do my bit to help out)

  238. August 18, 2013 4:12 pm

    ha ha speak of the devil,
    Mr-Poodle is on boltreportland hyperventilating with bolt about the Greens and Labor preferencing, bolts also mocking Mr-Poodle over planting trees *twilight-zone*

  239. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:16 pm

    You are putting the feminists’ argument Tom apart from the bracketed bit. I understand the argument but the inequity rankles. I am totally opposed to middle-class welfare so I don’t have much room to move. TB and 7.30 I hear what you say. However I would have thought, TB, that a stage-managed launch would have kept out those desiring to deliver an earful. I wouldn’t have thought the sight of TA launching his extravagant policy among the well-heeled is going to do much for it.

  240. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:16 pm

    I agree with ToM.

  241. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:19 pm

    ….and we don’t want a race of bogons.

  242. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:25 pm

    There seem to be a lot of them out there already Egg.

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:29 pm

    ….and we don’t want a race of bogons.

    BOGONS??? I know who the fkn bogans are on this blog!

    Another thing that struck me with Abbotts captain’s choice mother’s support … if it is to be supported by 3000 top businesses for all mum’s … why is the MRRT for a dozen mining companies for “excessive profit”, so bad … to pay all the people of Australia for our “dirt” …

    Logic?

  244. August 18, 2013 4:30 pm

    the stage-managed launch and kept out those working-class desiring to deliver an earful is the only risk to Mr-Rabbit, it is not likely the embedded media will challenge Mr-Rabbit on, well anything much. lf the media didn`t have such a hard-on for Mr-Rabbit they might have actually got some `journalism` attempted

  245. August 18, 2013 4:37 pm

    mr-rabbit says “only 50% of working women are on a parental plan“
    (meet teh press)

  246. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:38 pm

    No logic there TB or anywhere else for that matter.

    I can’t get my head around one baby being worth $70,000 plus and another around $20,000 when it seems highly likely the parents of the second infant is in greater need. I have no proof but surely it is more likely that a highly paid woman is more likely to be married to a high earning man. A doctor married to a medical specialist for example.

    That said, how does one spot a bogan these days? Once the male ones wore flannelette shirts and had a skinny little rats’ tail.

  247. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 4:41 pm

    Rat’s tail. Just the one. Unless a mullet was preferred.

  248. August 18, 2013 4:55 pm

    Actually Dianne,
    l have been enjoying the teabag panic over preferencing teh-greens that is going on lately. All-up, there is only about a half-dozen of them, and the teabags are shitting their pants over them.

  249. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 5:07 pm

    Yes 7.30 I thought a healthy democracy welcomed all points of view and vigorous debate.

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 5:14 pm

    I’m really not one to parrot the points made by women’s groups, but… If men had the babies does anyone seriously think we would be having a debate about the generosity of the scheme?

    Unions would have made claims for a generous ppl policy before they went after the 40 hour week. We would have had a policy like Abbott’s for a century

    It is a serious women’s rights issue and for the life of me, I can’t understand tha ALP barrackers getting in a flap about it

    (and I’m not referring to the balanced and sensible contributors here)

  251. August 18, 2013 5:26 pm

    lt smells more of pork for wealthy at the expense of those below, economically. Biz that are already gifting to women of quality `only`, while not-gifting to the plebs, will resent the plebs getting the benefit, just as they did with `super` of `full-time` employment. This is going against all teabag theory of, as much wealth as possible, going to the fewest as possible. Which is how our system and taxation is run.

  252. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 5:45 pm

    ‘If men had the babies does anyone seriously think we would be having a debate about the generosity of the scheme?’

    You should be Abbott’s speech writer … brilliantly refreshing.

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 5:48 pm

    … does anyone seriously think we would be having a debate about the generosity of the scheme?

    It’s the inequality of the scheme that I object to …

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 6:03 pm

    Go on take the test … you may not feel better! 😯

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/aug/15/prime-minister-machine-australian-pm

  255. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 6:03 pm

    And isn’t it a parental scheme payable to fathers as well?

  256. August 18, 2013 6:04 pm

    “I don’t support the ALP the Libs the Nats the Greens or any political PARTY … I WILL support competent, honest, truthful, “clean” political representatives who aren’t in the “game” just for personal power, future security, monetary gain, or plain, old, simple GREED …
    If only I could find one …” – TB

    The old ‘waiting for perfection’ excuse. But in the meantime you are yabbering on and not lifting a finger to ensure Abbott isn’t re-elected. There are times when sitting on the fence is no excuse. You know one of these candidates is much worse than the other. So don’t whine when Abbott gets in if you aren’t prepared to get off your aging arse and work against him. It is not that hard.

    Don’t sit on the sideline mouthing platitudes when you might actually make a difference manning a stall at a shopping centre or doing a bit of letterboxing. There is a way to go yet and it is a lot more fun getting out there. A lot of people do not want Abbott to win and it helps if they see people out and about fighting for the cause. The hot air brigade wrote Bradbury off last time and he surprised them. The same thing may well happen this time.

    The biggest whiners after the event are the ones who didn’t lift a finger before it.

  257. August 18, 2013 6:09 pm

    Yet another media stunt TB.
    Too bad they don`t resort to actual `news` reporting.
    #votecompass is keeping my political weather-vane A-Green entertained.

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 6:35 pm

    There’s only (perceived) inequality in the scheme if you prefer welfare

    I doubt whether the progressive Scandinavian countries are about to return to ppl that provides less money for a shorter period. They are probably thinking that it is entirely sensible that professional women have children

    Diane I understand that men can also obtain the leave but women remain the initial primary carers.

    It is odd to hear female union leaders advocating a less generous scheme. I had previously considered Ged Kearney to be content

  259. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 6:41 pm

    I understand the argument Tom and see the merit but I find the inequality a stumbling block and I also believe we give far too much money to people who do not need it. That said, do you know if stay-at-home mothers get anything and what about part-time workers? A lot of women make the choice to juggle part-time work and child care. I did. I found my shorter stints as the bearded lady in the penny arcade very stimulating and a welcome break from hours with toddlers.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 6:48 pm

    Not gonna happen, SW …

    … here or anywhere else …

    I’ll do and say what I</Iwant …

    … not what you want … and the insults won’t win you any friends either …

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  261. August 18, 2013 6:55 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ (perceived) inequality in the scheme if you prefer welfare’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    lts bullshit or pork Yomm.

    if teh-rabbit does win, and runs this, this pork will be paid for by cutting back the 18K taxable to 5/6K, its a big fcuking loss and trickle-up pork.

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:02 pm

    I also believe we give far too much money to people who do not need it

    So do I, Di … I often wonder how much some people pay for the smart phone and ongoing bills they fiddle with all day by 80% of the population … and then whinge because they can’t afford something else …

  263. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:08 pm

    We no longer survive, make ends meet, cut thecloth to suit our needs or just plain live TB. We have lifestyles to sustain. Lifestyles take a lotta moolah.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:15 pm

    Lifestyles take a lotta moolah

    Yeah, but not from our government … everyone wants handouts, lower taxes and lower interest rates … and they still can’t “make ends meet” …

    While the Connonwealth (sic – remember the ad?) Bank makes $7.6 billion profit … I remember the hullabaloo when they cracked their first billion … Robber Barons at work …

  265. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:22 pm

    Consumer confidence is looking good, so the masses are reasonably happy with the economy. In light of this I’m not surprised that Abbott has reintroduced middle class welfare.

    Will Kevette play catch up?

  266. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:23 pm

    Everyone feels entitled now.

  267. August 18, 2013 7:31 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ $7.6 billion profit’ ‘ ‘ ‘ (only)
    the boardroom only paid themselves $20 million plus bonus`s, but the evil temp, casual, CBA workers needs their union busted and the financial cops called in, for hiding under-award wages offshore in tax-havens and swiss bank accounts.
    With such an insult from the workforce hitting the boardroom so blatantly, the only recourse the Govt. has is to gift tax-free status to CBA, and to ensure the company continues doing Biz in Australia the Govt will support them with $50 million.pa
    .
    Yay Pork.

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 7:47 pm

    The ppl scheme isn’t a redistribution of income and it is different from middle class welfare.

    It is more like social engineering where the burden of breeding falls more equitably across all socio economic groups.

    I think it is currently occurring disproportionately among welfare recipients

    It’s a benefit to society if intelligent, educated people have families

  269. Dianne permalink
    August 18, 2013 8:04 pm

    Do you think social engineering is one of the motivations for this policy Tom?

  270. August 18, 2013 9:09 pm

    Of course it is social engineering. It is not as thought there aren’t enough people in the world. It dovetails into the refugee policy. We need more people like ‘us’ and less people like them who must be kept out at all costs.

    “I’ll do and say what I want …
    … not what you want … and the insults won’t win you any friends either …” – TB.

    Don’t be so sensitive. I’m just frustrated that so many people mutter about how they fear Abbott and how few of them are willing to pull their fingers out and actually do something.

  271. August 18, 2013 9:35 pm

    suppository,
    don`t be frustrated, the hard-on for Mr-Rabbit extends no further than the teabags partyroom and a couple of newsrooms,

  272. August 18, 2013 10:14 pm

    dog makes a point here reb

  273. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 18, 2013 10:43 pm

    Newspoll out on Twitter

    Another 1% off the Labor primary vote.

    But as TomR and Baachus would say its likely to be a rogue poll

    🙂

  274. egg permalink
    August 18, 2013 10:51 pm

    Honeymoon is definitely over, only rusted ons will vote for them.

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2013 11:01 pm

    Not just rusted ons, they’ll get my vote and I’m quite some way from being rusted on

    It is Dianne but a fair bit of welfare is.

    SW, more people like us isn’t a particularly bad thing. That’s more educated taxpayers, fewer relying on the government

    You might disparage it but the Scandinavian countries don’t look like they’re intending to scale back their ppl

  276. August 19, 2013 6:39 am

    yomm, Being `educated` does not mean you won`t rely or even less likely to need welfare, plenty of folk have had their `educated` job shipped off-shore,
    ,
    and comparing those european places PPL with Aus or teh-usa is totally false comparisons, euro countries have NOT been anywhere near as enthusiastic in dismantling and gutting themselves as we have, to march to teh-usa tune

  277. egg permalink
    August 19, 2013 7:04 am

    ‘I’m quite some way from being rusted on’

    Maybe.

  278. egg permalink
    August 19, 2013 7:10 am

    ‘DEPUTY Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s restrictive management of the Sydney Airport curfew has cost Australia $3.5 billion in lost tourism and nearly 8000 jobs.

    ‘That’s the damage caused by Mr Albanese’s refusal to allow an additional 11 international flights a week to land between 5am and 6am – even though the “curfew shoulder” law allows the extra arrivals.’

    John Lehmann in the Daily Terror

  279. August 19, 2013 8:05 am

    Yeah right egg, it had to be sumthin `labor` from teh-terror,

    ignore euro and yank economies tanked

    (so-called economic report)

  280. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 8:19 am

    So is Kevin Rudd, Egg. A rusted-on would not have behaved as he did in his recent stalker phase.

    Re ppl. I am becoming v interested in this policy. Is it child focused or employment focused. I suspect the latter as we are such a utilitarian, materialist mob these days. I agree with 7.30’s gutting point. And yes Tom you are right about social engineering. I have never really thought about it before. Actually all politicians should be renamed social engineers.

  281. August 19, 2013 8:33 am

    More likely `de-engineers` or `un-engineers` at best. Things now happen so fast, that education and legal systems are falling further and further behind technology. Jobs and industries now come and go faster than it takes to be qualified/educated in them. The pollies really don`t seem to have much, if any, control of things.

  282. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 8:52 am

    Again you are correct. I believe that too 7.30 and I am very adept at juggling contradictory positions. I have decided this very day that I am going to dig out writings by John Ruskin and refresh my memory banks about other High Victorians like the Pre-Raphaelites and William Morris who sought to restore their idealized image of the medieval world to counter the coarseness of industrialisation. I am an incurable Romantic. Just like Walrus.

  283. August 19, 2013 9:19 am

    Enjoy the writings Dianne, tho my source is life.
    l have noticed that Pollies all seem to claim `education` is the answer to everything. (sure, it will help some) But over the years, l have known of uni educated folk, who have never worked in the field they studied, and worked most of the time in what is generally unskilled work. l have a Tory neighbor bleating to me last weekend about why he had to pay uni fees to send kid uni, when all kid can find is waitress work. l really unhinged Tory neighbor when l told him a woman l grew up with did multiple quals at uni, and spent her life working as a `check-out-chick` in retail, until she had her kids.

  284. August 19, 2013 9:26 am

    Long story short, if Nation is not willing to `back`/protect the actual `job`, then they should stop wasting folks time `training` in the `evaporating`.

  285. August 19, 2013 9:51 am

    “It’s a benefit to society if intelligent, educated people have families”

    Sounds like eugenics all over again. It would be spend a bit of money on schools, teachers and social services than funding reproduction of odious middle class wankers who think they are so fucking intelligent and that they are somehow better or more beneficial to society than common people.

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 9:56 am

    Its like visiting Never Never Land this morning …

    Don’t be so sensitive. I’m just frustrated …

    LOL! x2 😆

    Do you think social engineering is one of the motivations for this policy Tom? ………. It is Dianne but a fair bit of welfare is.

    LOL! Next you’ll be describing all the management traits* … and only people from “the” families can lead men in times of war … and the state of our political system is because we opened it up to all citizens rather than just the landed gentry …

    l have noticed that Pollies all seem to claim `education` is the answer to everything. (sure, it will help some) But over the years, l have known of uni educated folk, who have never worked in the field they studied

    Education IS the answer to many the problems of the world, 007, and it doesn’t mean that you have to work in the field you study … it means that you are educated (and learn how to research and develop your knowledge, understand other people’s arguments and make your point as solidly as you can and gives you tools to come to terms with the world) … sometimes it works in reverse … I graduated when I was 45 …

    Don’t confuse education with intelligence … nor a lot of money making you smarter … but as an employer I knew that a person with a degree generally, not always, had a certain capability to learn … and yes, often the sacrifices are made for family and children …

    I might add that denying education (because of $$$) to some of our lower socioeconomic people has cost this country dearly … it was the upper class of Gt Britain who were horrified when universities began scholarships for the working class … keeping the riff raff out seems to be a tory trait around the world …

    For people like Tony Abbott … a degree is a badge of honour … pity its not a means to thought … as I said don’t confuse education with intelligence …

  287. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 10:03 am

    Those writings are well worth reading 7.30. I feel I would more fully understand why some people more than a century ago wanted to restore their idealised view of the medieval world on a world of smoking chimney stacks, toxic rivers and satanic mills, child labour and rural upheaval.

  288. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 10:04 am

    I am heading straight for the hills in Never Never land TB. With my loom.

  289. August 19, 2013 10:43 am

    TB ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Don’t confuse education with intelligence’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    LOL. l`m not. l`m acknowledging that mostly uni-educated `Lawyers`/politicians have been giving away the `silverware`, and never claimed they were `intelligent` to do so.

    But the `education-without-job` is pretty useless, it accrues a hex-debt or high-fees, which is what my Tory neighbor was bleating about. BTW, many trades-folk have`nt pushed their kids into trades, but away, as they are often first to go, future shortage here too l suspect.

  290. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 11:12 am

    BTW, many trades-folk have`nt pushed their kids into trades, but away ..

    I agree, oo7 … I have both a trade certificate and a degree (both five years too!) among other quals … the obsession with uni quals is an issue tho’ …

    Di, I grew up among those dark satanic mills …

    Blake’s poem

    And did those feet in ancient time.
    Walk upon Englands mountains green:
    And was the holy Lamb of God,
    On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

    And did the Countenance Divine,
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?

    Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
    Bring me my Arrows of desire:
    Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
    Bring me my Chariot of fire!

    I will not cease from Mental Fight,
    Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand:
    Till we have built Jerusalem,
    In Englands green & pleasant Land

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2013 11:21 am

    Polling – can you trust newspoll?

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/ellis-newspoll-antics-escalate-in-dobell-and-robertson/

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-dobell-robertson-figures-revisited/

    For people like Tony Abbott … a degree is a badge of honour … pity its not a means to thought … as I said don’t confuse education with intelligence …

    The ‘right’ education opens doors for those who value the class system and truly believe that some are born better than others .

    People who knew abbott in uni say he was no bright spark, he plodded and got the rhodes on being willing to box [short supply of them] not his academics. It’s always spruiked as if he’s another einstein though. His is another case of money buying influence, the old man bought his kid an education and career through the old school tie and church network, not ability on tony’s behalf. The old man’s money got him off all his scrapes with the law and taught tony that some people are above any responsibility and accountability.

    Long story short, if Nation is not willing to `back`/protect the actual `job`, then they should stop wasting folks time `training` in the `evaporating`.

    Yes, there’s no tax collected from aussies working overseas.

  292. August 19, 2013 11:42 am

    Spot on Armchair. Rudd has had to endure a malicious Murdoch campaign where every resource of Newscorp (including their polling) is turned against him. They are running a campaign of lies and confabulation. There is no attempt at telling the truth from this mob. Obviously there is a lot of money at stake here. The time is now for people to get moving if a disaster is to be avoided.

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2013 11:42 am

    Funnily enough, the era of the dark satanic mills was also a time of massive increase in population and average income. It was the era of Malthus whining like a demented Green supporter about population increases. The big picture suggests things weren’t so bad. They got even better when the law limited the nastier practices of some of the mill owners and industrialists.

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2013 11:47 am

    Give it a rest, SW. I admire your commitment and personally I would much prefer Rudd. But you need to calm down. Rudd has not a good last week and much of that is self-inflicted. He needs to re-focus, to consolidate existing gains and to ensure we can get the national debt under control. Abbott is weak on this, and trying to outflank him with new ill-considered policies will not help.

  295. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 19, 2013 12:14 pm

    People who knew abbott in uni say he was no bright spark, he plodded and got the rhodes on being willing to box [short supply of them] not his academics. It’s always spruiked as if he’s another einstein though. His is another case of money buying influence, the old man bought his kid an education and career through the old school tie and church network, not ability on tony’s behalf. The old man’s money got him off all his scrapes with the law and taught tony that some people are above any responsibility and accountability.

    Bull……..Shit!!!!

    All of it.

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 12:18 pm

    Anyone else received a DVD from Clivey Palmer?

    Included is a “bonus” Titanic II video … now as some of you know I’m a bit of a history buff and there is some interesting photographs of the Titanic … but then comes TII built in China … and way out of my price league … I couldn’t afford a cup of tea on TII …

    Pollies and billionaire wannabes just don’t get it …

    … final chuckle though is the Palmer United Party Senate Vote on the front of the pack … Glenn Lazarus … now, The Brick, yep that’s his nickname from his rugby league career, has always struck me as a noice bloke … but has he got what it takes to be a national lawmaker? in a word … NO.

  297. August 19, 2013 12:20 pm

    l agree splatter,
    Mr-Rabbit weak on pretty much everything except mud-throwing,
    unfortunately troll-media won`t tell the voters this, or investigate on voters behalf. We are really demonstrating to the rest of the world that democracy has no answers, but is merely a system, no better than any other system.

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2013 12:36 pm

    to consolidate existing gains and to ensure we can get the national debt under control

    Do you have any examples at ether a State or Federal level where that has happened?? Seems to me Labor always loses control of the budget. It appears to be in their DNA.

    If fact anybody who thinks Labor could get the national debt under control is deluded.

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 12:57 pm

    Bull……..Shit!!!!

    All of it.

    Chuckle …

    FMD! And here’s, Kneel! Dat da dat da dat da dat da daaa …. cha-a-a-a–arge!

  300. August 19, 2013 1:02 pm

    Another Libtard forgot his lines:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/liberal-candidate-unable-to-explain-coalition27s-climate-chang/4896078

    Life will be beautiful when the moron circus runs the country, no?

    You really do have to wonder what kind of system allows people this stupid to take office!

  301. Walrus Watching From the Deathstar (19 Days Until Touchdown) permalink
    August 19, 2013 1:07 pm

    “….the old man bought his kid an education and career through the old school tie and church network,”

    My Gawd you spruik some crap.

    University education was basically free due to Whitlam making it such. You just had to get a Top 5% of NSW in your HSC to get into Law.

    Fraser didn’t cut it when Abbott was there.I think it was Hawke who introduced HECS (????????)

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 1:14 pm

    You really do have to wonder what kind of system allows people this stupid to take office!

    Typical crow eater … 😉

    I think it was Hawke who introduced HECS (????????)

    Yep, it was! I was earning too much to take advantage of it (cut out over $20, 000 then – late 80’s) BUT I did benefit from a 5% discount for paying up front …

  303. Walrus Watching From the Deathstar (19 Days Until Touchdown) permalink
    August 19, 2013 1:18 pm

    Yeah, Yeah……………its all Murdoch’s fault.

    Of course the unpopularity of the ALP would have nothing to do with unbelievable incompetence like this…………

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-continue-stimulus-payments-despite-global-financial-meltdown-ending/story-fni0cx4q-1226699753914

  304. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 19, 2013 1:22 pm

    They hand out Rhodes Scholarships to boxers, didn’t you know?

    Other noteworthy Rhodes Scholars include Barry Michael, Lester Ellis, Jeff “Hitman” Harding, Jeff Fenech, Rocky Gattellari, and Les Darcy.

    Lionel Rose missed out because we’re a nation of racists.

  305. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 19, 2013 1:26 pm

    You really do have to wonder what kind of system allows people this stupid to take office!

    You’re right. It’s pretty embarrassing really. Although we might have been save a good deal of trouble and expense had Wayne Swan made similar admissions before being named Treasurer.

  306. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 1:54 pm

    Oh TB what delights you have bestowed upon us. I loved the choir. Have always loved Jerusalem but had never realised the words were by William Blake. Borrowing from him and adjusting to my need

    I will not cease from my mental flight

    And so block out the exhortations of two narcissists who want my vote. Alas the one with big ears will stick around. I am in full retreat mentally.

    Thanks again.

  307. egg permalink
    August 19, 2013 2:12 pm

    Rocky Gattellari is involved with the law, or was that Lucky Gattellari?

  308. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 2:29 pm

    Well Walrus as I have written here numerous times, the media, led by News Ltd have played a major role in thrashing the ALP. Certain commentators were very happy to accept TA’s line that JG knifed Rudd and that her govt was illegitimate because she emerged from negotiations as the successful deal maker. Rudd of course destabilized from within and fed certain favourites with headline stories. Anything positive about JG’s govt was given very little recognition. Any mistake was amplified. TA was never asked any hard questions. He will glide into office without having to explain policies or costings. It is pathetic. The media, by and large will continue to handle him with kid gloves until they tire of him. Even though I do not want T A to win I baulk at the thought of Rudd continuing in the Top Job. He is the one with blood on his hands not JG. I will never understand why people within and without the party ever saw him as a Saviour.

  309. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 2:37 pm

    Btw TB do you feel homesick for the north? Is that why your family settled up north here? I love the north of England particularly the dales and towns like Whitby and Robin Hood Bay. So atmospheric. Huge seagulls wheeling overhead and a tangle of little streets tumbling into the small harbour. I could imagine all those cut throats grabbing young fellows out of darkened lanes and pressing them into work as crewmen. Long John Silver. Treasure Island. Gave me the shivers. I was particularly struck by those dour little towns with blackened ironstone bricks. The air must have been chewable in those far off days.

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 3:02 pm

    Wally, that really is stupid BUT the law is an ass … they are entitled to it … The Minister and I got nary a cent of the $900 handout …

    … BTW, the GFC did not end four years ago as the article states … it continues today … a trip to Europe or a quick read of UK online news will tell you all … another example of pretty poor journalism … (note that is not a defence for the ATO doing its job – however silly it is …)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Di, glad you like Jerusalem … was a favourite of mine when I was about ten … used to sing it in my bedroom over the fish and chip shop my parents owned … I grew up in the Colne Valley … 😆

    Leads me to a recent tale … when we landed in Queenstown, NZ a couple of weeks a go I we went through Immigration straight into the duty free shop … and I heard a female voice say to someone , “hiya”, now if you’ve been to Yorkshire, you’ll know that’s where it comes from … to cut it short .. she was an assistant and I asked her where she came from … she was born in my home town, the same age, had been to the same Annexe of the local high school and we had the same form teacher! (A Mrs Bond who happened to be in the Huddersfield Choral Society) … very spooky!

    I was particularly struck by those dour little towns with blackened ironstone bricks. The air must have been chewable in those far off days.

    ‘Tis actually sandstone and yes the place was black, everywhere … as a kid I didn’t really notice it … when I returned (after 38 years) the mills were shut and the houses were being cleaned up … a very different (and pretty) place …

    Btw TB do you feel homesick for the north?

    Not a bit (although I do love the place) … I was dragged kicking and screaming to Australia (left all our family and friends behind – for good, we were told) but fell in love with the place almost immediately … I’m a very proud Australian and very parochial QUEENSLANDER!

    Michael Parkinson once said that he thought Yorkshiremen and Australians were very similar in outlook in many ways … based on the fact that we are rebels and very outspoken … 😉

  311. Walrus Watching From The Deathstar permalink
    August 19, 2013 3:40 pm

    “that really is stupid BUT the law is an ass”

    Perhaps. So change the Law.

    The original legislation should have foreseen that millions of $ in cheques would not be cashed by a certain date. They should have become ineligible payments after they went stale.

    But no……………….The ALP and its Canberra public servant mates are too fucking stupid or just too fucking bone lazy to do so

  312. Walrus Watching From The Deathstar permalink
    August 19, 2013 3:43 pm

    “Rocky Gattellari is involved with the law, or was that Lucky Gattellari?”

    LOL

    It’s Lucky that’s getting the Zebra tan now.

  313. August 19, 2013 3:44 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Another Libtard forgot his lines’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    They really aren`t even pretending to give a rats-arse about `social`environment policy. They just want to return to `biz-as-usual` sending as much cash `up` the economic ladder as possible. The Tards in Western Sydney and the Gold Coast are delusional if they really believe Mr-Rabbit`s mob will be helping them, Mr-Rabbit is more of a North-Shore type.

  314. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 3:55 pm

    tB I enjoyed your post very much. The sandstone villages must be the pretty ones near the dales. The blackened towns were near the Bronte village, Haworth. Very grim. It seemed as if the mills had long departed. I agree that Australians and people from Yorkshire are alike. Blunt. But I no longer buy the idea that we are rebels. Too conservative. Even wear bicycle helmets.

  315. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 3:58 pm

    Agree 7.30. Why would the Western Sydney mob vote for TA? Their squeals will deafen the nation.

  316. Dianne permalink
    August 19, 2013 4:10 pm

    Essential media poll has ALP just ahead on two party preferred.

  317. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2013 4:16 pm

    “The Tards in Western Sydney and the Gold Coast are delusional if they really believe Mr-Rabbit`s mob will be helping them,

    And what is Labor going to do for the people of Western Sydney??

  318. August 19, 2013 5:14 pm

    The most dense packed area of Tards in Australia is the Gold Coast, and are exactly the stupid type of tard to vote for Mr-Rabbit`s `stop-teh-boats` bullshit, instead of things that `actually` are effecting them, The Cold Coast Tards are also largely unable to distinguish between Federal and State responsibilities. This is why the Gold Coast tards WILL vote for Mr-Rabbit, will continue to have more gun-play, and also why their buildings will wash into the sea. The Gold Coast is a rich area for Liberal recruiting.

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 5:21 pm

    The Gold Coast is a rich area for Liberal recruiting.

    … and for about 40 different bikie gangs too … but then the GC has always been full of rich conmen and arseholes …

  320. IPA permalink
    August 19, 2013 5:31 pm

    “and also why their buildings will wash into the sea”

    Vote Rudd. Kev will tame the oceans! 🙄

  321. August 19, 2013 5:52 pm

    Unlike their Gold Coast cousins, the tards in Western Sydney are nowhere near as densely packed into their area and live alongside normal people. Western Sydney tards also range freely about the state from their base in Rooty-Hill to Penrith further west to as far south as Sutherland and as far north as the central coast. Don`t confuse the tards with the bogans, they are actually not the same. The tards in Western Sydney will receive enough advice from bogans and regular folk to prevent them all voting for Mr-Rabbit, who hasn`t fooled most of the bogans by the way. The tards in Western Sydney will ask things like,

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ And what is Labor going to do for the people of Western Sydney?’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    but even the bogans know the correct question is,
    ” What is Mr-Rabbit going to do TO the people.?’ ‘

    workchoice3, cut-what.?,

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 5:57 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ And what is Labor going to do for the people of Western Sydney?’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    but even the bogans know the correct question is,
    ” What is Mr-Rabbit going to do TO the people.?’ ‘

    workchoice3, cut-what.?,

    Kneel’s, right to reply will be interesting … 😆 😆

    … he’ll kneed to check with his supervisor first, I should think … chuckle …

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2013 5:59 pm

    Vote Rudd. Kev will tame the oceans! 🙄

    You are now being silly, ToSY … he plans to tame the PLANET! 😯

  324. egg permalink
    August 19, 2013 6:17 pm

    Kanute told his followers he couldn’t stop the tide coming in, but they didn’t believe him.

  325. egg permalink
    August 19, 2013 6:26 pm

    What is Tony Abbott going to do for the people of Western Sydney? He’s not going to put an airport on their doorstep and he’ll fix the boats…. the western suburbs are predominantly full of legal immigrants.

  326. August 19, 2013 6:29 pm

    coming-up channel-7 @6.30, Katter is going to have a rant about produce being destroyed, on #today-tonite , yeah bags`osy, you will wait a long time before l watch tt again.

  327. Walrus Laughing Upon High From The Palm Beach Deathstar permalink
    August 19, 2013 6:39 pm

    How’s your seat count looking these days 730 ?

    I suppose you can concoct some comedy for us about which and how many seats the ALP victory margin will be ?

    C’mon…………….gives us your latest “vibe”

  328. August 19, 2013 6:50 pm

    between coke/spc, coles/woolies and teh-teabags, it looks like Katter could get the `sheperdon` seat, is that indii.? Sophies seat.?

  329. August 19, 2013 7:17 pm

    Laughing from the tea-free new-england Deathstar 🙂 @the-accountant

  330. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 19, 2013 9:12 pm

    What is a “Tard”?

  331. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 19, 2013 10:11 pm

    I think it’s a rather quaint way of describing anyone West of the Sydney CBD . Because they are deserting Labor they get labelled as a Re-Tard.

    Quite charming .

    I prefer Breeders

    LOL

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2013 10:15 pm

    FMD! And here’s, Kneel! Dat da dat da dat da dat da daaa …. cha-a-a-a–arge!

    hehe, immediately the cavalry cometh, you can set your clock by it TB! The conservative activists have been asked to storm the blogs and letters pages everywhere!

    The Cold Coast Tards are also largely unable to distinguish between Federal and State responsibilities.

    GC rent seeking tards can’t get their heads around separation of powers either. A bit of graft and corruption is always acceptable to them, it’s their currency.

    Fact Check:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/joe-hockey-exaggerates-debt-figures/4897264

    Joe Hockey exaggerates difference between Labor, Coalition record on debt:

    …”We left the country with net assets of $70 billion, where if we are elected on the 7th of September we inherit debt going to $400 billion,” Mr Hockey said on Radio National Breakfast on August 14…

    …The final budget of 2006-07 showed net assets of $31 billion…

  333. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 19, 2013 10:23 pm

    Ah yes 730.

    New England……Nat Territory LOL

  334. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 19, 2013 10:39 pm

    Watching Q&A .

    Chris Bowen giving a good performance.

    Pity he will likely lose his seat and a cxxt like Jason Clare in the seat next door surviving .

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2013 11:09 pm

  336. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 6:05 am

    Regardless of your opinion of the ppl policy, it needs to be explained. The ALP should run hard on that. It is not often a policy is under attack from both sides. Some critics say it is open to rorting. I don’t have my head around that yet. It is very unclear where the funding is coming from. It is very inequitable. I cannot come to grips with the idea that a fashion consultant on big money would be paid more than a nurse. Who performs a more important role?

    Will well- off women who opt to stay home really look after the baby or employ a nanny? Every second woman in a park playground is a paid child-minder these days. Will there be a rush to use already overloaded child-minding centres?

    Will there be cuts to services used by lower earning parents to fund this policy?

    Does anyone know if it only applies to a first child or all seven?

    Does a stay-at-home mum get nothing at all?

    Is it designed to keep women in or out of the workforce?

  337. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 6:48 am

    Bees are buzzing in my bonnet and I am thinking out loud about the ppl. Beware.

    It seems to me that high end salaried ladies would probably be covered by generous maternity leave schemes. I think the ALP policy was directed at filling the gap for lower paid women. If the social engineers here are correct then wouldn’t we be seeing more well-paid women having children by now. Maybe they are? I do not know.

    If I had my way I would design a policy whereby every substantial workplace had a crèche attached. The universities once had crèches. Not sure if they still exist. I think we get into pickles because we draw up barriers between the home and workplace. Let it all flow freely. Kum ba yah.

  338. egg permalink
    August 20, 2013 7:16 am

    ‘Does a stay-at-home mum get nothing at all?’

    It does appear so and I remember Barnaby Joyce railing at the inequity, but he’ll stay quiet now that the election is on.

  339. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 7:43 am

    He will. Colin Barnett is out there though saying WA will not contribute. Thumb screws for him today.

  340. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 8:06 am

    Further to the above …..

    Wouldn’t you think you would have had all the Lib Premiers signed up to ppl before you launched the policy.i am amazed at the sloppiness. Weights any argument that funding for scheme is dodgy.

  341. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 8:09 am

    Bees a’buzz …
    Will ppl apply to young MPs, particularly younger women. Conflict of interest issues?

  342. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 8:16 am

    In fact if your pref is for social engineering I would approach the matter this way. Nurses step to the front, fashionistas and colour consultants head for the back row. Cultivated Scottish voices line up with the nurses, radio and TV reporters with voices like buzz saws don’t even apply.

  343. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:44 am

    While it has some merit, the ppl scheme of the Liberals is the Rolls Royce version. It is probably too expensive for an immediate step and it isn’t the most immediate priority for a few billion $.

    It is the type of scheme that should be planned and implemented over a decade.

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:49 am

    …and Bowen is far more capable than Hockey. Bowen gets detail, Hockey gets confused.

    Bowen is also smarter than Swan. How did we put up with that tool for 6 years? It is so much more pleasant listening to Bowen actually answer questions than listening to Swan bluster and talk over people.

    Swan was the dumbest Treasurer since Billy McMahon, and possibly even dumber.

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:57 am

    …”We left the country with net assets of $70 billion, where if we are elected on the 7th of September we inherit debt going to $400 billion,” Mr Hockey said on Radio National Breakfast on August 14…

    …The final budget of 2006-07 showed net assets of $31 billion…

    Yes, KL.

    Wally should have been straight onto this, as a CPA* at least, let alone the resident FINANCIAL EXPERT!

    Not only is their a vast difference between NET assets and GROSS assets but the difference between $70 billion and $31 billion is pretty obvious to anyone … as for the $400 billion its actually a forecast $217 billion in 2016/17 …

    For the 2013-14 year, Treasury forecasts net debt of $184 billion. At the end of the forward estimates period in 2016-17, it projects net debt of $217 billion.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/joe-hockey-exaggerates-debt-figures/4897264

    The wannabe treasurer needs to study a bit of accounting, financial management and economics and then apply again … maybe in 2016/17 …

    Nice to see someone pulling up the porky pies … ’cause they keep coming!

    Lateline had Michael Keenan on last night the opposition spokeperson for Justice, Custome and Border Protection … Emma Albarici was not impressed neither was I, given statistics from the NSW Crime Commission that refuted his claims of increased gun crimes he continued on with the lies and BS …

    The Libs just keep telling porkies … nice to see someone challenging them …

  346. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:08 am

    Because they are deserting Labor they get labelled as a Re-Tard.

    Oh well now isn’t that nice….. I see it used by the lefties on Twitter a lot too.

    Do we know specifically which type of so-called “retards” are being referenced with this apparent slur? Is it those with Downs Syndrome? Is it those with Cerebal Palsy?

    Kittylitter, I noticed you used the term in relation to voters on the Gold Coast. Could you enlighten us?

  347. August 20, 2013 10:15 am

    oh-snacky, giving yourself another arse-fcuking.?
    tard= Tony And Rupert Devotee.

  348. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:20 am

    tard= Tony And Rupert Devotee.

    Bullshit. Oh and how does one give oneself an “arse-fcuking”? More pleasantry from the otherwise morally superior left.

  349. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:27 am

    “tard= Tony And Rupert Devotee.”

    Nice try 730 but that does not fit the context of your postings.

    Anyway I prefer “breeders”

  350. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:36 am

    “…The final budget of 2006-07 showed net assets of $31 billion…”

    But that was not the LNP final budget. The final budget was 2007/08 presented in May 2007 prior to the November poll.

    Yes there is a big difference between Gross and Net Debt.

    When was the last time you went to the bank for a loan and asked them to judge you on net debts or net assets only. They wont.

    Gross Debt is the important figure when international lenders assess credit worthiness. They cant assess your assets because they have no idea what they are or their value or whether that is a true value and no idea what income you get from them and whether its sustainable.

    The NBN is a case in point. It will capitalise its construction costs as the primary asset at whatever value it wants to put on them. But its gross borrowings are there for all to see.

    You pay interest on Gross Debt not Net Debt.

  351. August 20, 2013 10:41 am

    Seems you have already forgotten about the Tard-Wars of 2010, when on the 17th day of the war, your hero Joolya fired two watermelon class missiles down the throat of the Limited-News-Teabag Deathstar. The Deathstar imploded and unhinged all over the galaxy. The Federation was saved.

  352. August 20, 2013 10:43 am

    Greetings from Penang!

  353. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:48 am

    More waste but not on the scale of the car industry………

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/green-bank-faces-the-axe-after-vote-20130819-2s7e8.html

    Greetings to Penang from Palm Beach

  354. August 20, 2013 10:50 am

    Greets back at ya Reb.
    Hope all is well. Whats your favorite thing at Penang.? or is it more of a`hang-out` place for you.?

  355. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:53 am

    reb, it is time for another post. Pretty please? Anything without Abbott’s face at the top of the blog homepage. I can’t take it any more, every time I visit that face just creeps me out.

    “Oh and how does one give oneself an “arse-fcuking”?

    You’ve never tried???? Walk into the nearest church!. There are many purpose-built implements or you could just use your own hand and some Crisco. Maybe you should include a suppository of all wisdom or three in the experience.

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:54 am

    *** or is it more of a`hang-out` place for you.?***

    😯

    G’day, sreb, hope all is well and fun! 😛

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:55 am

    LOL! @ sb! 😆

  358. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:55 am

    Sometimes I have no idea what is being said here. Like reading labels translated into surreal English from Mandarin. I had one recently upon which the the last two letters of the word ‘discontinue’ bled into the next space and acquired an ‘s’ in front so the following line read: sue if rashes appeared. I was amused as I often am here albeit puzzled.

  359. Dianne permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:57 am

    Ps I was not referring to your crudités SB. I was shocked. Shocked I tell you.

  360. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2013 11:02 am

    I’m always happy to lend a hand to those in need, Dianne.

  361. August 20, 2013 11:02 am

    Howdy folks and thanks for the greetings… 🙂

    Penang is more of a “hang out” place whenever I get the opportunity. 😉

    We’re off to Bangkok for the weekend and then back to Penang next week before heading back to Melbourne.

    It is nice to be away from all the politics of back home.

    I didn’t really think much of Singapore… It’s very clean, but just has a lot of brain dead people mindlessly wandering around spending money. So a lot like Canberra really.

    I’ll post something up in a sec..

  362. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2013 11:05 am

    “So a lot like Canberra really.”
    😀

    Dianne, which crudités would you recommend for James?

  363. August 20, 2013 11:25 am

    oh-snacky the ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ morally superior’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ born to rule lot you are devoted to, which will NOT do shit for the GC or WS. Before spouting “morally superior“ and such terms, at others, it may actually help your point by `actually` knowing the area being discussed, just coz you spent a weekend at GC or drove thru WS once , doesn`t mean you know much about em.

  364. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2013 4:11 pm

    I think we have had too much emphasis on the welfare side of parenting and no where near enough on the working side of the equation…

    I agree with you tomM. I must admit I have felt conflicted about PPL, I understand that babies should be equal and one is not worth more than another, but true PPL is more than that. My long held position has always been one of an equality at work issue [some of you may remember the debates we’ve had over the years].

    To me, the labor PPL is just the same as the LNP’s baby bonus, it is welfare, where all women are deemed to be equal and deserving of a baby payment whether they participate in the paid workforce or not. It is the reason that the fundies of the LNP do not like tony’s PPL, they want SAH Mum’s to receive the same payment for doing no more than they would do anyway. It’s not about equality between females, it is about equality with males in the workforce, men don’t have to take time off work to have babies, don’t have their careers or superannuation earnings affected because of biology.

    The whole concept of PPL, IMO, should be for working women to have equality with their male counterparts, it should have nothing to do with stay at home mums – these women are not in the paid workforce and should not be given a handout when they don’t participate.

  365. August 20, 2013 4:30 pm

    l still reckon folks are chasin goblins,
    this PPL thing would go up in smoke,
    as soon as the surplus fetish raised its head.

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2013 4:32 pm

    I agree, KL, PPL is a bit of a quandary issue for The Minister and me too … when we had our two kids we were paid a child allowance every fortnight … (The Minister, chose to give up work to look after them both and ran a very tight, well budgeted household and later when the kids became teenagers, she had a very successful career in book-keeping and office management) …

    The child allowance was paid as support for the children and maybe that’s what’s missing here … its about the kids and as you say all kids are equal, wherever they are born …

    The fortnightly allowance wasn’t much then but it certainly helped and at one stage it supplemented our food bill and paid for the meat in our diet!

    I suggest getting rid of the baby bonus, the tax supplements, PPL and consider a regular payment to bring up the children …

    As I mentioned earlier if you used the Libs PPL formula retired pensioners with the most assets/income would get more pension than those with no means of support …

    Make no mistake the PPL IS welfare … aimed at the middle/upper class.

  367. Walrus from TeaBag Heights on the Deathstar permalink
    August 20, 2013 4:41 pm

    My beef with the PPL is simple

    Since when did the role of government shift from providing a safety net to providing 100% income protection insurance ?

  368. August 20, 2013 4:45 pm

    the PPL is welfare, and it will be paid to some who don`t need it, 150K is good coin, 75K welfare is more than most junk-jobbers earn, and the junk-jobbers will go back to 6K taxable, from 18K via the watermelons. This teabag ppL goblin will definitely rob the poor and near-poor, to pay welfare to the wealthy-end of the working class.

  369. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2013 4:45 pm

    And that’s a great take on the issue too, Wally … I heartily agree! 😯

  370. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2013 4:48 pm

    So who will this nonsense gain traction with?

    Business doesn’t like it …

    Greens don’t like it …

    Most ALP voters don’t like it …

    Many Lib voters don’t like it and I can’t see any Nats liking it …

    One “policy” announced and its being severely trounced!

  371. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2013 4:54 pm

    Make no mistake the PPL IS welfare … aimed at the middle/upper class.

    If big business have to fund it through a tax, sorry levy!, it will be passed on to all consumers thru higher prices. Abbott is also promising tax cuts to business, so who is really funding his beaut scheme? the taxpayer!

  372. August 20, 2013 4:55 pm

    Walrus from TeaBag Heights on the Deathstar ‘ ‘ <– LOL

    ' ' ' ' ' ' Since when did the role of government shift from providing a safety net to providing 100% income protection insurance ? ' ' ' ' '
    that`s an excellent point too walrus, (particularly when applied to a tory-govt)
    +
    l have always wondered why Howard/Costello couldn`t contain their workchoice fetish, and ended up allowing it to erode the private-pension/superannuation for so many, it too goes against `core` beliefs.

  373. August 20, 2013 5:00 pm

    hey armchair, l am surprised you don`t have issue from the `feminista` end of the PPL-goblin, my bet is females under 40 are going to find it hard to keep/get jobs

  374. August 20, 2013 5:33 pm

    The Libs make sure that when they do welfare they don’t waste it on the poor.

    In fact the PPL policy helps to keep them in their place – the poorer they are, the less they get. Now that is how the world should work according to those still dreaming of the good old days of the great depression. Next for the Libs is to upgrade work for the dole to a more pure form of slavery.

    If Abbott wasn’t such an utter fuck-up he wouldn’t have to try and rehabilitate his image at public expense like this. Fuck, fuck, fuckety fuck fuck fuck, what are we coming to when people actually vote for Abbott style tyrants.

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2013 5:33 pm

    Yes AO, a decent ppl scheme is about equality and I doubt whether the women in various Scandinavian countries see their system as welfare.

    But I’m rarely one to support the big bang approach to any reform, and the Libs policy is too much too soon. Extending the current scheme by a month, and moving the threshold to average weekly earnings would be a good step for an incoming government.

    Perhaps the next term could be 6mths and AWE + 50%.

    The current scheme should be regarded as entirely inadequate but I’m really in 2 minds about my support for the Libs policy.

  376. Walrus from TeaBag Heights on the Deathstar permalink
    August 20, 2013 5:34 pm

    “If big business have to fund it through a tax, sorry levy!, it will be passed on to all consumers thru higher prices.”

    They are not 100% funding it. There are apparently 3 sources of funding so far identified

    A great portion of the funding is via substituting this scheme for the current scheme which will be scrapped.

    Plus the Levy on the Top 3000 companies or whatever number that is.

    And for retirees in pension phase and for anyone in accumulation phase franking credits on dividends in a SMSF (Self Managed Super Fund) will only be allowed at the rate of 28.5% rather than the full 30% company tax rate.

  377. August 20, 2013 6:04 pm

    yomm, comparing anything we or teh-yanks do to `euro` is bullshit. They have not been willing to gut themselves like we/yanks have. The `euro` have way more `solidarity` and `fraternity` and `tradition` and resist things that mangle their system.

  378. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 8:30 pm

    I say this assuming that birth rates are down and also assuming that is a bad thing. I’m not certain of either.

    When gender equality became an objective in this society it brought with it certain consequences. Now I am all for gender equality, from a personal perspective at least. I chose to marry a solicitor after all. She is not short of brains nor attitude. If I was seeking subservience, I ventured down the wrong path.

    But gender equality brought or brings with it a shift in the economic structure of society. It means that for all but the very successful single income families (rich dads), or all but the very frugal type families (hippies), a necessity of a second income for basic economic survival. Mortgages require two incomes. Other costs of living have skyrocketed. Keeping up with the Joneses (who have two incomes) requires two incomes.

    Now it’s easy to say that one should not worry about the Joneses but people need friends and need to feel as though they are providing for their children in at least as comprehensive a fashion as their neighbours.

    So in that sense, the second income becomes vital. So to the decision to have kids. The cost of a professional leaving the workplace for 10 years is over $1 million. So, increasingly families are only having one, maybe two kids, wacking them straight into childcare, and heading back to work.Taking even 5-6 years off to get the kids into school is a career killer, as it would be for blokes.

    I think the policy is as much about recognising the value of the specific women as anything else. It’s saying we value you as a mother and we value you as a professional. It’s a step. I suspect there will be more.

    Instinctively, I think the decision to have kids shouldn’t be dictated by whether we (parents) are compensated financially for it, but my initial instincts on issues like these have often been wrong. I am socially conservative. Society is forever heading down paths I’m not comfortable with.

    It’s interesting that Abbott is largely on his own with this. The Libs more generally are copping it as a leader’s call and Labor are dead against it (as are the Nationals I think).

    But history may well laud Tony Abbott for having the balls to stare down not just his political opponents but his partyand coalition colleagues as well in implementing the first of several key social reforms that history will judge as favourably as Medicare.

    Time will tell.

  379. August 20, 2013 8:42 pm

    “I am socially conservative. Society is forever heading down paths I’m not comfortable with.”

    * squirt, squirt…

  380. August 20, 2013 8:43 pm

    Go Abbott!

  381. August 20, 2013 8:46 pm

    oh-snacky, it is an insult to those getting the least. As you threw in medicare, the poorest, like myself, that has no extra cash for `private`, then gets slugged the Levy/percentage for being poor. The lower class will get no benefit, what it will do is make it near impossible for 20-40 year-old women to be given a go, as 6-months `pregas` cash will push employers to prefer `males`. Don`t go gettin all hoity snacky, plenty of industries have sacked their full-time staff, only to re-hire them back thru agents, just to steal a couple of weeks holiday pay off em. 26 weeks `pregas` cash, you`re fcuking dreaming. This goblin will go up in smoke.

  382. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 8:47 pm

    It’s a convoluted way of saying I’m not sure.

    But let’s be fair, Toilet, most of the squirting is being done by those who fear the Abbott and his undoubted intention to have us all fronting up at Mass every Sunday.

    The Cathlick Bastard.

  383. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 8:49 pm

    730, can I suggest the reason you have no cash is that you’re incapable of making yourself understood. Try some night school.

  384. August 20, 2013 8:59 pm

    oh-snacky, most of the squirting is from teh embedded media and the tards, that are actually silly enough to think Mr-Rabbit will even put this PPL into action, in preference to his surplus fetish. Keep chasin the goblin.

  385. egg permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:05 pm

    ‘as are the Nationals I think’

    It discriminates against country wimmen.

  386. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:09 pm

    730….as I said, communication is a wonderful skill.

  387. egg permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:09 pm

    ‘you’re incapable of making yourself understood.’

    Which makes him a very small target.

  388. August 20, 2013 9:12 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ It discriminates against country wimmen.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    even egg gets it, well done,
    it will discriminate against all women except Mr-Rabbits `woman-of-quality` who can keep their privileged husbands in a fortunate lifestyle eh-snacky

  389. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:19 pm

    Did Abbott say “woman of quality”?

    That would be horribly demeaning if he did.

  390. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:26 pm

    730, you should try making a coherent point from time to time.

  391. August 20, 2013 9:27 pm

    yes snacky, mr-rabbit said `women of quality` ages ago, but l think you know that and not really that silly,

  392. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:31 pm

    No, I just checked. He said “women of calibre”.

    Now that is quite different. You should look that up. The point he made was quite good.

  393. August 20, 2013 9:41 pm

    l am sure mr-rabbit will decide who the (`women-of-calibre/quality/or-other-elitist-codeword`)
    are, and the benefits or respect they deserve.

  394. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:42 pm

    Abbott’s PPL doesn’t look particularly generous on any reasonable comparison.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave

    The remarkable issue is that “teh left” aren’t using the Libeal policy as a lever to get the ALP to come up with a more realistic, progressive policy.

  395. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 20, 2013 9:53 pm

    Teh Left aren’t that smart, Tom. Their main interest is dragging everybody down to the lowest common denominator. Witness 730 above, to the extent that he can be understood.

  396. August 20, 2013 10:01 pm

    oh-snacky, you are now Lobbying for well paid women earning 150K.pa to receive 75K.PPL welfare. Previously you supported Gina`s $2 bucks a day employment idea.

  397. August 20, 2013 10:37 pm

    yomm, comparing a so-called PPL in Aust. with some other place in the world is bullshit. The bigger problem by far is the have`s and have-not`s element that will go on. The higher paid `women-of-calibre` won`t miss out, but the lowest earners will lose out. They will just be sacked or not hired in the first place.

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2013 10:43 pm

    Really? Got any proof (or even just some logic) that they’ll be sacked?
    —————
    Currently people get $606 for 18 weeks, it is subsistence living at best, it is far below the PPL schemes that operate in many comparable countries and it is amazing that no one of “teh left” finds this unsatisfactory.

    It is so odd and unusual that “teh left” are running arguments counter to positions traditionally advocated by many women’s groups.

  399. August 20, 2013 10:56 pm

    yomm, l don`t give a rats-arse ”teh-left” or teh-rite PPL welfare idea. l don`t think it is a good idea to have 40%, (yes yomm it IS 40%,) in junk-jobs/eroded-conditions and be gifting welfare generously to those NOT on struggle-street. By most folks standard 150K.pa is good coin, and 75K is welfare that is beyond reasonable.

  400. Soxy II permalink
    August 20, 2013 11:15 pm

    Women of calibre….have sex appeal!

  401. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 7:19 am

    What happens if business refuses to hire fertile women? Will that force wimmen back to the kitchen where they belong. (sarc /off)

  402. August 21, 2013 8:16 am

    Well said egg,
    of course mr-rabbits(go!) `women-of-calibre` are fertile, the catlicks wouldn`t have it any other way, tho you won`t have to `force` them into the kitchen, as `women-of-calibre` are already there.

  403. August 21, 2013 8:31 am

    while oh-snacky seems happy to gallop around the interwebs on his unicorn to promote mr-rabbits(go!) PPL-goblin, l suspect low-earners are not the only group that won`t like this welfare for the wealthy. Seems like Boomer pensioners have started kicking up about the PPL-goblin, if the Boomers don`t like it this will evaporate.
    +
    ln the meantime, this won`t help mr-rabbit(go!)
    +
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ” ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The Coalition’s paid parental leave policy offers more than Labor’s, particularly for higher earners. But the gains for a typical women are not as big as Abbott suggests.

    A Politifact rating of ”mostly false” applies where a statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.

    Politifact finds Mr Abbott’s claim that “a mother on average earnings” will be $21,000 better off under his scheme mostly false.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/working-mothers-wont-be-21000-better-off-under-coalition-plan-20130818-2s55o.html#ixzz2cNN0lUg4

  404. Walrus Sipping Coffee in TeaBag Heights Upon the Deathstar (17 Days to Touchdown) permalink
    August 21, 2013 9:35 am

    “Seems like Boomer pensioners have started kicking up about the PPL-goblin, if the Boomers don`t like it this will evaporate.”

    Even I had to laugh at that. It actually affects moi plus anyone with a SMSF. The effect seems to me pretty small overall and I actually believe they could do a lot more in this area of franking credits in SMSFs.

    Given that an SMSF is generally non taxable its quite ridiculous that it could actually receive tax back in any income year just because it owns some company shares.

  405. August 21, 2013 9:50 am

    “Plenty of industries have sacked their full-time staff, only to re-hire them back thru agents, just to steal a couple of weeks holiday pay off em. 26 weeks `pregas` cash, you`re fcuking dreaming. This goblin will go up in smoke”..

    Agree!!

  406. August 21, 2013 9:53 am

    I think when Mr Rabid made the “women of calibre” comment, he was thinking of women like Julie Bishop, Sophie Mirabella etc, not some fat old sheila who runs a fish n’ chip shop or something like that…..

    ****Out of the way fatty****

  407. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 10:23 am

    The monk may have been thinking the idea is fair and reasonable, but its opened up a hornets nest.

  408. August 21, 2013 10:25 am

    “some fat old sheila who runs a fish n’ chip shop or something like that…..”

    *not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 11:10 am

    I think the policy is as much about recognising the value of the specific women as anything else. James

    No, I just checked. He said “women of calibre”.

    Now that is quite different. You should look that up. The point he made was quite good.

    So, James, a prostitute on $150.000 plus who gets pregnant would be a woman of calibre to you and Tony … and receive $75,000???

    I mean – oldest profession in the world and all that …

    Just askin’ …

  410. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 11:13 am

    TB 🙂

  411. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 21, 2013 12:25 pm

    Not necessarily, TB. But then again, I try not to judge based on professions, provided the professions are legal.

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 12:32 pm

    provided the professions are legal.

    Are you implying that prostitution is illegal? And what do you mean by “not necessarily”?

  413. August 21, 2013 1:44 pm

    oh-snacky, still defending the elitist position for mr-rabbit((go!)) l see. lt is also good to see you are at least defending those women of calibre from new and `different` things in the world that frighten you,(watch-out–boat-people)

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2013 1:50 pm

    The Legal Profession is the worst of the lot, James! They whore themselves out to any crook willing to share the proceeds.

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 2:25 pm

    “O what a tangled web we weave … “

  416. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 2:58 pm

    In a nutshell, any working woman who falls pregnant will get six months on half rations.

    Fair enough.

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 3:04 pm

    Fair enough.

    But in our system of welfare its not fair … this is a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer …

    If nothing else this highlights the difference between tory mentality and labor mentality …

    As I pointed out earlier … should I get more age pension because I paid more tax than someone who paid less? Because the system says if you have more assets and income from assets then you get LESS pension …

    In fact the PPL should be means tested like other similar welfare schemes … Abbott’s PPL is means tested in REVERSE!

  418. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 3:55 pm

    Its meant to be an insentive, why discriminate?

    Half rations for all is fair, your socialist ideals are old hat.

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 4:35 pm

    Half rations for all is fair, your socialist ideals are old hat.

    Not if we are ALL paying … don’t be fooled by the “3000 top business” BS … it gets passed on … and… Abbott is relying on the bulk of the funding to come from scrapping the ALP proposal …

    Most people I know don’t like the proposal simply because it is unfair … this is Oz ya know … fair go and egalitarian and all that … the tories love class structures and that’s all this is … society destroying …

    Next we’ll have car park spaces for the RR’s and Jag’s nearest the entrance at half price …

    Welcome to Noddy Newman land … 🙄

    Thin edge of the wedge shite … and if its a socialist ideal that we should all be TREATED equally in the eyes of the government … then so be it …

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 4:46 pm

    Its meant to be an insentive

    Its insensitive all right … I assume you meant an “incentive” … how you figure that out I’ve no idea …

  421. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 5:02 pm

    Thanx, I’m in the dungeon without spell check.

  422. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 5:06 pm

    ‘From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her needs.’

    Karl M

  423. August 21, 2013 5:08 pm

    Maybe we should test it on pensioners.
    Mr and Mrs Egg can have a Govt sponsored cardboard box for shelter. Each day they will be issued a tin of spam and a box of saladas and a can of baked beans to meet their needs as a `percentage` of what `they` have earned before bludging on the workforce.
    +
    When Gerry Harvey receives his share, on the same percentage basis, Gerry enjoy 5-star hotel rooms with roast and reef dinners.
    +
    Still sound fair egg.?

  424. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 5:47 pm

    Why not do it with the dole … if someone on $600 a week loses their job give ’em 50% … $300. If someone on $3000 a week loses their job give ’em $1000 … yep that works …

  425. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 5:52 pm

    From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her needs.’

    Karl M

    er, do you understand what that actually means, egg?

  426. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 6:02 pm

    I may have mistook, here’s a par from ‘Critique of the Gotha Program’.

    ‘In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life’s prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!’

    Wiki

  427. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2013 6:05 pm

    “do you understand what that actually means, egg?”

    It means first, theft from the most productive, bludging by everyone else and then the total fuck-up of society when the productive ones decide bludge as well.

    The key is the word “from” as in “steal from” or “take by force from” ….. while expecting the victims of this theft to keep producing at the same rate for the fun of it.

    Note that all societies which have attempted to operate on this principle, or anything like it, have only produced poverty, misery and death for their citizens.

  428. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2013 6:20 pm

    Note that all societies which have attempted to operate on this principle, or anything like it, have only produced poverty, misery and death for their citizens.

    Were you born in 2009, sb … or do you choose to ignore all the greed, deception, wars, financial collapses, misery and loss in capitalist societies?

    And you know (I read your comments) the difference between communism and socialism.

    Social responsibility is an entirely matter different in a democracy … I firmly believe that there are people far better off than I … BUT I also know that there are many others far worse off than me … it is those people who we should assist as a society … because in the socioeconomically deprived suburbs of our country may be the future of medicine or science or engineering or teaching or a whole new professional genre … if those human sparks of innovation and genius, are left to suffer and decay perhaps the world too will eventually suffer and decay …

    I paid taxes for 45 years and only complained when they were being misspent … this is one of those times!

  429. August 21, 2013 6:32 pm

    egg is quoting kibutz-klaptrap/karl-m which is NOT enacted in any State or Federal Laws regarding our welfare/dole/pensions, just bullshit via egg

  430. egg permalink
    August 21, 2013 7:04 pm

    1.20 speaks funny.

    China was an opportunity to validate Marx theory, but they failed the test and embraced capitalism to survive as a one party nation state.

  431. August 21, 2013 7:09 pm

    just tuned in to sbs2 mr-rabbit verses kevin07,
    mr-rabbit not looking happy, brisbane bogans not as dopey as western sydney tards

  432. August 21, 2013 7:26 pm

    kevin07 is whipping mr-rabbit most of the time, kevin07 has detailed answers, mr-rabbit mostly slogans and waffle,
    +
    tomorrows Limited News headlines
    ABBOTT DEFEATS RUDD IN 2ND DEBATE

  433. August 21, 2013 7:29 pm

    TB will enjoy kevin07s closing rant, *noddy-promises

  434. August 21, 2013 8:11 pm

    Rudd looked to be more on the front foot, this time.

    Abbott’s position on ssm makes him look like an obstinate biblethumper. His continued refusal to release detail until the day before the poll is also an alarm bell to anyone who cares & is paying the least bit of attention.
    His promotion of his candidate when requested specifically not to do so once again highlighted his evasiveness.

    All in all…I hope a piano falls on him Go Abbott!

    Rudd cheated!

    Andrew Bolt rules!

  435. August 21, 2013 8:14 pm

    Breaking News!

    Herr Pell & god itself & reanimate jesus all support Tony’s comments!

    Go Abbott!

  436. August 21, 2013 8:31 pm

    l am pretty confident oh-snacky-walrus-egg-kneel`osy will turn-up some Limited-News delusion of how `prezedential` mr-rabbit(go!) was tonight and the o-so-many ways mr-rabbit defeated kevin07 with his `detail` and his `knowledge` and the cranks will gather round their boy(go!)

  437. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 21, 2013 10:35 pm

    Kevin won the debate overall. But there is just toomuch past baggage to ignore

    I’d say the polls may blip slightly.

    But no knockout blow.

    The Deathstar sees no fog to abort a landing.

    Then it will be a case of

    “They’re Baaaaaaaaaaaack”

    LOL

  438. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 7:38 am

    ‘It was Rudd who emerged from Wednesday night’s debate as the more negative politician, and Abbott as the more positive.

    ‘Their standing has largely, but not entirely, reversed. The reason is simple. Their political standing has reversed. Abbott, as Opposition Leader, needed to upset the status quo, to foment dissatisfaction, to unseat the government.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/abbott-still-in-the-box-seat-while-rudd-becomes-mr-negative-20130821-2sbus.html#ixzz2cdrrO0lg

  439. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 7:49 am

    ‘THE Liberal Party has virtually stopped political advertising this week to concentrate its spending in the final two weeks of the campaign after Tony Abbott’s policy launch on Sunday.

    ‘Despite a Labor blitz of negative advertising directed against the Opposition Leader this week, Liberal strategists have decided to save money and focus their advertising on the last half of the campaign.’

    Shannahan in the Oz

  440. August 22, 2013 8:34 am

    mr-rabbit `demanded` the debates with kevin07,
    TV highlights this morning show mr-rabbit telling kevin07 to `shut_up` when kevin07 gave him a whipping, this is not `prezedential` and makes mr-rabbit(go!) look shrill and a little unhinged

  441. August 22, 2013 8:47 am

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ refusal to release detail until the day before the poll is also an alarm bell to anyone’ ‘ ‘ ‘ of normal intelligence, which straight away excludes the embedded media. Said alarm bell is of air-raid siren quality to those who `can` hear it, the alarm rings loud and often when our boy(go!) begins speaking. Troll media and the cranks they attract, are totally deaf to said `alarm`, as they just `refuse` to hear it. There is none so deaf, as he who refuses to hear.

  442. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 8:54 am

    Rudd won, Abbott lacks the intelligence to be articulate. When selecting leaders it’s best to go with smart people rather than dumb ones.

  443. IPA permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:00 am

    #doesthisguyevershutup?

  444. August 22, 2013 9:07 am

    but how can you say that now yomm, for many years now, we have ridden the tea-trolley in support of our suppository(go!) of tory wisdom, to turn around and say
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Abbott lacks the intelligence ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    and
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ selecting leaders it’s best to go with smart ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    is of course true today against kevin07,
    but was equally true under the watermelons,
    (and equally true if the opponent was a chimp in the zoo)

  445. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:25 am

    You really don’t pay much attention to what people actually write, do you 730?

    On intellect, Abbott = Gillard, and Swan = Hockey. This is no longer the case.

    I’ve also posted several other reasons for choosing to support the ALP in this election. But I think your comprehension is on par with your written expression.

  446. LaLaLa permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:29 am

    Go Abbott.

  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:03 am

    “Were you born in 2009, sb …”

    Well I’m a bit younger than you, old boy, but then most people are. Not that there is anything wrong with being a decrepit Queenslander, or indeed a Ten Pound Pom.

    “do you choose to ignore all the greed, deception, wars, financial collapses, misery and loss in capitalist societies?”

    Not at all. Nor do I choose to ignore the fact that market-based societies (which are the antithesis of ‘From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her needs’) are the societies which have lifted more people out of dire poverty than any other, in particular those based on theft from the most able.

    Given that every cent governments spend comes from the private sector it seems logical that the first priority is to have a healthy and functional private sector. Then and only then do you let the bleeding hearts off the leash. And when they have racked up enough debt the voters tell them to rack-off. You can see it clearly in this graph.

    Now I’m a pragmatist about these matters, and I don’t have a great problem with welfare well spent. The problem with Abbott, if he is to be believed is that he is a bigger spender than Rudd.

  448. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:18 am

    Very funny splatter and I agree with your serious comment that free market economies are better than the Command model.

  449. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:21 am

    Oh Dear

    It seems Mr Rudd was very very rude and arrogant to someone backstage last night and the story is now breaking…………………….

  450. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:56 am

    it seems logical that the first priority is to have a healthy and functional private sector.

    And you think we have a “healthy and functional private sector”???

    That is usually my point … Über Kapitalism and The Robber Baron mentality is no better than Communism at its worst!

    And the constant reference to communism is irrelevant in our society … just a tory furphy … communists under the bed claptrap …

    Well I’m a bit younger than you, old boy, but then most people are. Not that there is anything wrong with being a decrepit Queenslander, or indeed a Ten Pound Pom.

    I generally have a fairly thick skin around here, but this is the second time this week that I’ve had a personal attack on my “aging arse” … not welcome from people I generally respect … age is but a number after all … being younger doesn’t make you smarter … being older doesn’t make you smarter … I like to think I discuss issues here with my peers (mostly) 🙄

    Just sayin’ …

    FYI, sb, I actually came here for FREE (12 yo) … then about four years after my national service discharge I became an Australian Citizen … paid in full methinks!

    As for ten quid poms … the contract was that you lived here for two years or paid the fare both ways – here and back again … my parents couldn’t understand what all the whinging poms were on about …

    And I still believe I would not have had the opportunities in the UK that I have had here … GO AUSTRALIA! (Like the people in your link I expect)

    ***********************************************************************

    It seems Mr Rudd was very very rude and arrogant to someone backstage last night and the story is now breaking…………………….

    And being promoted by news.com.au … surprise, surprise, surprise … the vote on last night’s debate is interesting too running at about 4:1 in Abbott’s favour … I didn’t watch it – they both make me cringe, quite frankly – but 4:1?

    I trust the commenters here more than News Ltd playing electronic catch-up! 😉

  451. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 11:19 am

    “And the constant reference to communism is irrelevant in our society … just a tory furphy … communists under the bed claptrap … ”

    They are called the Greens these days. Think Senator Lee Rhiannon.

    Whilst some environmental concerns were real and some areas neded protection on a whole just have a look at the basketcase they have turned Tasmania into over a period of decades.

  452. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 11:20 am

    “And being promoted by news.com.au … surprise, surprise, surprise ”

    And being not being promoted by Fairfax and the ABC … surprise, surprise, surprise

  453. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 11:42 am

    Wally, did you check the “voting” on last nights “debate”? LOL!

    I see the Libs have been manipulating the twittersphere too … all those folk who think the PPL is a great ide … “no, no, not us”, they cried! Chuckle ….

  454. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 22, 2013 11:44 am

    Über Kapitalism and The Robber Baron mentality is no better than Communism at its worst!

    Tell that to the tens of millions slaughtered.

  455. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 11:56 am

    “Wally, did you check the “voting” on last nights “debate”? LOL!”

    Nah………………..but I thought Rudd won anyway. Although I was listening to it on radio whilst driving back from the CBD. I got a different perspective seing the highlights later and Rudd’s hand gestures.

    Although Abbott won narrowly according to people at the venue albeit there were still a stack of undecideds.

    And just to emphasise what a dickhead he is Rudd thanked Mr Abbott “for coming along tonight”

    What a fuckwit !

    It was he that was dragged kicking and screaming into last night’s debate. He originally didn’t want a bar of it.

    My Deity he’s a c**t of a man

  456. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 12:04 pm

    “Tell that to the tens of millions slaughtered”

    Or to those currently imprisoned in a North Korean gulag

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/02/28/jonathan-kay-a-look-inside-the-monstrous-north-korean-gulag-system-that-dennis-rodman-will-never-see/

  457. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 12:05 pm

    From my link

    “…….On one hand, South Korea’s growth from a peasant dictatorship to a wealthy, high-tech democracy in the space of a single lifetime represents perhaps the most stunning transformation of any society in the history of the human race. And then you have North Korea, just across the DMZ, where the very worst, tyrannical, most monstrous human impulses imaginable are given full expression through the ideology of communism…….”

  458. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 12:34 pm

    Whilst some environmental concerns were real and some areas neded protection on a whole just have a look at the basketcase they have turned Tasmania into over a period of decades…

    Cripes! Abbott and Hockey think our economy should emulate that of NZ [which is actually below that of basketcase Tassie]

    http://inside.org.au/the-land-of-the-long-white-mirage/

    “And the constant reference to communism is irrelevant in our society … just a tory furphy … communists under the bed claptrap … ”

    tea party type propaganda, imported directly from the US corporocracy, they have run this stuff for years to attack unions, workers, government, progressives and anything that threatens complete capitalist control. Fear and smear is the stock and trade of conservative politics, they only get in power because they have the small minded shitting themselves and they refuse to tell the electorates what is store for them re austerity ‘reforms’.

  459. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 12:34 pm

    My Deity he’s a c**t of a man

    I’m quickly heading back to my position a few weeks ago … not interested in either …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tell that to the tens of millions slaughtered.

    I’m no defender of ANY slaughter … but if you think a bullet in the brain is worse than people in rich western societies slowly starving to death, then so be it …

    Über Kapitalism has polluted every corner of our society … read what’s going on with your AFL … that’s all about money, power and greed … big business (including organised religions) attempt to creep into our schools, our unis, our sport, our entertainment … everywhere you look … capitalism is a great system, I know, I owned my own business for sixteen years (and loved it – even with the small business tax regime and government costs to be an RTO) … but the greed has got hold of everybody … gone the days of a sauce bottle on the table for free … everything, the tiniest thing, has a price …

    Its no longer, how can I help this customer/client … its how much can I make before they wake up to what I’m really not doing …

    How slaughtering people suddenly pops up I’ve no idea …

  460. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 12:45 pm

    Well I’m a bit younger than you, old boy, but then most people are…

    🙄

    Not your best work splatter, TB has a good sense of humour but I imagine it gets a bit tedious when his honesty and openness on personal matters is used against him with constant personal attack [a bit like the woman who is badgered to tell her partner of her previous sexual history, only to have it flung back at her in every dispute they ever have].

  461. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 12:53 pm

    John Quiggin………………..LOL

    He wouldn’t have a vested interest in distorting comments from Abbott and Hockey would he now?

    Oh look it seems he’s on the Board of the Climate Change Authority

    ROFLMAO

  462. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 1:09 pm

    He wouldn’t have a vested interest in distorting comments from Abbott and Hockey would he now?

    Why would he?

    Oh look it seems he’s on the Board of the Climate Change Authority…

    Does that mean being a professor of economics doesn’t matter? Only those whose views align with the deniers or Judith Sloane, IPA/HR Nicholls/CIS can have a valid opinion on economic matters?

  463. Walrus Commenting from TeaBag Heights in the Deathstar (16 days to go before "They're Baaaaaack") permalink
    August 22, 2013 1:17 pm

    “Only those whose views align with the deniers or Judith Sloane, IPA/HR Nicholls/CIS can have a valid opinion on economic matters?”

    Not at all. They are also not to be trusted at times.

    But Quiggin has simply quoted completely out of context to bolster his generalised bullshit NZ argument that Abbott and Hockey should not be in charge of the economy.

  464. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 1:36 pm

    But Quiggin has simply quoted completely out of context to bolster his generalised bullshit NZ argument that Abbott and Hockey should not be in charge of the economy.

    Well, have we got any costings from them to show that they should [be in charge of the economy] anything in the public domain other than populism?

    Just adding another observation to the PPL debate, seeing abbott is emulating the scandinavians, why has he not insisted with his policy that each parent must take an equal, shared time off work [which would be true equality]?
    Why is he only allowing the father to have two weeks paid time off? anything to do with ideological belief re women must SAH and to ensure that most don’t qualify for the higher end of the payment as males are the majority of the high earners?

  465. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 1:54 pm

    June 21st, 2012 John Quiggin’s blog.

    ‘Some big news (at least for me). I’ve just been appointed as a member of the Climate Change Authority. I was pleasantly surprised by this – although I’m a strong supporter of the carbon price policy, I’ve been highly critical of the current government in other respects.

    ‘As regards the blog, the main implication is that I’m going to avoid posting anything that might constrain me as a member of the Authority (for example, views on policy issues) and also avoid polemical statements about climate issues. I’ll still post relevant information on the topic, and welcome debate in the comments section, but I won’t take an active part myself.’

    guffaw

  466. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 1:54 pm

    Abbott and Hockey should not be in charge of the economy.

    Hear! Hear!

    And I’m not so sure about … Rudd and Bowen

  467. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 2:02 pm

    why laugh egg?

    can you point to any statements or show where quiggin has taken an active part in discussions or withheld any conflict of interest?

    Seems to me he is being very honest and transparent, something the deniers and pro industry lobbyists economists/megaphones could practice.

  468. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 2:22 pm

    Quiggin is a member of the Klimatariat… unashamedly.

    Just had a chat with a fellow who works at the nearby pine ‘stick factory’. He said carbon credits have been great and it will be practically impossible to scrap the tax.

  469. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 2:36 pm

    Just had a chat with a fellow who works at the nearby pine ‘stick factory’. He said carbon credits have been great and it will be practically impossible to scrap the tax.

    I hope abbott hasn’t lied to the voters then, like he has about putting the greens last with preferences!

  470. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 2:40 pm

    Quiggin is a member of the Klimatariat… unashamedly.

    But, can you show anywhere that he has had an undeclared conflict of interest on anything?

  471. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 2:54 pm

    I see The Age has a photo of Abbott practically sticking his tongue down the throat of a nun.

    I can’t link the photo from this device, but is pashing with a nun the behaviour we want from Our Prime Minister?

    1. Did he get her phone number?
    2. A Mother Superior would have been better.
    3. Has he been watching The Sound of Music again?

  472. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 3:42 pm

    It does come across pretty creepy tomM!

    https://twitter.com/dcrvsworld/status/370406849138286592

  473. August 22, 2013 3:43 pm

    Sadly (or fortunately) I didn’t get to watch the leaders debate last night. But. I read that some are saying Rudd’s got his mojo back.

    Meanwhile here in Penang it is the Hungry Ghost Festival. At this time of year, the faithful pray in public, and offer up small sacrifices to their ancestors in the form of trinkets, burning candles and incense and even burning what looks like wads of cash. This is to appease the dead who apparently roam the streets aimlessly at night. So it’s a lot like a Liberal Party fundraiser in many respects.

    I’m also re-reading When You Are Engulfed in Flames by David Sedaris.

  474. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 3:48 pm

    “This is to appease the dead who apparently roam the streets aimlessly at night.”

    As opposed to the “living” or “almost dead on life support” over at the Cafe

  475. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 3:54 pm

    “But, can you show anywhere that he has had an undeclared conflict of interest on anything?”

    I think its pretty bleeding f**king obvious that if you are a government appointee to a Board and criticising an Opposition whose policy is likely to scrap that same position its a conflict of interest.

    And where in that article you linked does it say he is on the Board of the Climate Change Authority…?

    Answer: NOWHERE

    I found that out for myself

  476. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 3:55 pm

    This is to appease the dead who apparently roam the streets aimlessly at night. So it’s a lot like a Liberal Party fundraiser in many respects.

    Libs are the zombies who roam the streets in broad daylight!

    You didn’t miss anything reb, nothing new but apparently kevvie upset a make-up artise and phonytony when asked to put up on cuts, got all aggro and told kevvie to shut-up! The sideshow is the relevant part of the circus according to the MSM.

  477. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 3:55 pm

    Yes! Fifi has a nun outfit that she wears for some of her ‘dancing lessons’. It’s quite tasteful and she she knows plenty about being chaste.

    But she says she wouldn’t pash Tony even if he booked a full season of dancing.

  478. August 22, 2013 4:03 pm

    Thanks Armchair. It’s quite nice to be away from it all actually… 🙂

  479. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:04 pm

    I’d be staying in tonight, sreb … just in case your mistaken for a long lost rellie (Caucasians skin gets a glow up at night — after a few glasses of shiraz) …

    Just sayin’ … 😉

    (Note: you do sound like your having fun!)

  480. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:06 pm

    … chased? ToM

  481. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:12 pm

    Why would anyone bother taking on an apprentice………..

    From the Oz

    “FIRST and second-year apprentices who have completed Year 12 have won major pay rises under a Fair Work Commission ruling which has been blasted by employers.

    In a big win for unions, the pay of first-year apprentices who have completed Year 12 will increase by 30 per cent to $398.50 per week.

    The pay of second-year apprentices who have completed year 12 will rise by 18 per cent.
    The commission’s full bench said today that increased rates might help improve the attractiveness of apprenticeships compared to other training or employment options for young people.

    “Only about half of all apprentices complete their apprenticeship and increased wage rates may also assist in improving completion rates,” it said.

    “The full bench decided that there should be differential rates for first and second year apprentices on the basis of completion of year 12 schooling.

    “The introduction of these differentials will protect the position in the labour market of early school leavers whilst encouraging year 12 completion.”

    The commission agreed the increase should be phased in over 2014 and 2015 to mitigate their cost on employers.

    Master Electricians Australia attacked the increases, saying they “would destroy the apprenticeship system and kill future apprenticeship opportunities for the building and construction industry”.

    MEA Workplace Relations Manager Jason O’Dwyer said the wage rises “represented a significant blow for productivity in the industry and for Australia’s economy”.

    “The decision by the FWC to increase junior apprentice wages comes with hidden costs and represents an overall increase of up to 50 per cent for employers,” Mr O’Dwyer said.

    “We need to take into account other factors such as TAFE training and the time required to attend them, tools and travel expenses, and loss of productivity from tradesmen teaching an apprentice on a one-on-one basis.”

  482. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:13 pm

    What’s wrong with this sentence?

    He has had a workmate killed, and others suffer post traumatic stress injuries, only to be insulted by a boss who allegedly calls them “oxygen thieves” because they are forced onto lighter duties as they recover.

    Another example of poor grammar by a “journalist” … well done Candace … 😯

    http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/cashintransit-guard-says-he-was-paid-30-an-hour-to-be-shot-at/story-e6frfm9r-1226702219837

  483. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:15 pm

    I think its pretty bleeding f**king obvious that if you are a government appointee to a Board and criticising an Opposition whose policy is likely to scrap that same position its a conflict of interest.

    Are you for real?
    A government appointee should be someone who supports the government’s policy, I would expect it. The opposition is not the government, I know you conservatives think they are the government-in-waiting but their policy is not even in play, so why does a board appointee need to give them the time of day?

    Proves my point that a conservative has no idea of the concept of conflict of interest!

  484. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:20 pm

    “Proves my point that a conservative has no idea of the concept of conflict of interest!”

    What a load of crap !

    Your point was about “disclosing a possible conflict of interest” not “whether one existed or not.”

    By not disclosing it in your linked article it gives a false “air of independence”.

    You have a very strange definition of “honesty”.

    No wonder you hang out in that Leftie sewer called Twitter

  485. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:23 pm

    Well, having had a son who was an apprentice, I can tell you that they are very poorly paid and need to rely on parental support while being used and abused by the employer [who is getting taxpayer subsidised for having the apprentice]. A lot of adult apprentices don’t continue with their apprenticeships because they don’t earn enough to support a family.

  486. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:26 pm

    “Not your best work splatter”

    First, I am almost as old as TB, as I’ve mentioned here before. So I wasn’t doing anything more than gentle teasing at most. Ditto the 10 Pound Pom reference where I linked to a number of popular and successful examples.

    Second I take your point about being taken advantage of just because you are a bit open about your personal life. I certainly regret having ever mentioned my children only to have TB make this charming comment:

    “You really are a nasty peice (sic) of work … I feel for your children, I really do …”

    . I asked him at the time to repudiate the comment but he decided to let it stand. And although you were very active on that thread, you didn’t call out TB on that statement as you have done here to my relatively benign comment.

    Now, for the record, I apologise to TB and assure him that no offense was intended.

  487. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:28 pm

    yes TB, the son I was talking about had a motorbike accident at the end of his apprenticeship [not his fault]. He was off work with a significant leg injury – the employer basically said “don’t call us we’ll call you”, didn’t want to know him if he wasn’t able to keep coming in to work. Left a real bad taste in son’s mouth after being a loyal and diligent apprentice with a great work ethic.

  488. August 22, 2013 4:38 pm

    yomm, ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ On intellect, Abbott = Gillard, and Swan = Hockey ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    *bullshit*
    Mr-Eleventy can`t even count, he runs out of fingers at `Ten-ty`
    (yeah sure, swanny`s quacking doesn`t inspire)
    *
    Joolya, while being a dill in the `marketing`/promotion department,
    had a shit-load more intellect and was able to harness the watermelons from under Mr-Rabbits nose, sure her droning was as annoying as fcuk, and her promotion was hopeless, she still ran rings around Mr-Rabbit.

  489. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:45 pm

    “…………..she still ran rings around Mr-Rabbit.”

    Wow you have a short memory……………….ROFLMAO

  490. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:45 pm

    And although you were very active on that thread, you didn’t call out TB on that statement as you have done here to my relatively benign comment.

    I don’t recall the incident splatter, nor do I have to defend every slight or offence taken on this blog by others. Quite often due to work commitments I don’t get to see all that has gone before and I might only comment on the tail end of the latest issues or direction of the thread. TB is big enough to defend himself, he doesn’t need my help, I do know that he gets a bit tired of the constant age-ist ‘humour’ directed at him at times.

    Now, for the record, I apologise to TB and assure him that no offense was intended.

    That is the reply of a very decent man IMO.

  491. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:47 pm

    I’m inclined to agree, Wally, but employers who actually employ apprentices should receive an incentive from government … the quality of apprentice training has really got worse over the years … resulting in poorer graduates (many of whom learn on the job – but they cost employers through mistakes and shoddy workmanship) …

    … they moved from a five year apprenticeship (four at college) that includes one day a fortnight and two three hour, nights a week (unpaid) … to a four year/three at college and then to block courses of 17 weeks at a time … the latter in the 1970’s …

    … a stupid idea if you understand how learning works … with the original one day/two nights approach, apprentices had time to put into practice what they had learned … with the block course approach after 17 weeks who could remember what happened in week five, let alone week one! (much better for the TAFES and private RTO’s)

    Apprentices don’t really start to earn anything till year four anyway (some exceptions in third year … and in fact the first two years generally cost the employer … (I refused to clean the ladies toilets anymore when I started third year …!)

    I am absolutely against group apprentice training organisations … apprentices should be employed by the employers in the industry not by training groups …

    BHP Billiton have (had?) a very good apprentice training scheme (like many large organisations who recognise the value of good tradespeople) but I always liked the twist in the tail … once they completed their last year, their employment was terminated and they could not work for BHPB for 12 months – they HAD to go elsewhere … great character and skills building approach … probably a recognition of the original apprentices’ last year being referred to as the “journeyman” year, as they were expected to travel and polish their skills …

    Out of interest (this is a lot longer than I planned) my first year apprentice wage was £5 7s 6d … a tradie was probably on about £80 … and received a “bonus” in third year as the top apprentice, at college, out of about seven or eight lads in the company … I completed the last five year apprenticeship in Queensland in 1969 …

  492. August 22, 2013 4:50 pm

    reb, your zombie festival will most likely be better than our zombie festival, l wouldn`t hurry back if l were you, just mail your zombie selections in. 🙂
    *
    Our zombie festival still has 2-more weeks to go FFS,
    and we still have another zombie debate to endure, which of course Mr-Rabbit(go!) has already won according to Limited-News. Even tho kevin07 can talk under water in at least two languages.
    *
    Yay crapocracy.

  493. August 22, 2013 4:51 pm

    “I do know that he gets a bit tired of the constant age-ist ‘humour’ directed at him at times.”

    He’s also from Queensland.

  494. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:53 pm

    For the record, I apologise for not defending you from nasty TB that day 🙂

  495. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:54 pm

    Now, for the record, I apologise to TB and assure him that no offense was intended

    Cheerfully accepted …

    My rebuff was intended as a “nip it in the bud” … based upon earlier comments by others …

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:55 pm

    He’s also from Queensland.

    And who moved from Taswegia … ?

  497. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:57 pm

    “Out of interest (this is a lot longer than I planned) my first year apprentice wage was £5 7s 6d … a tradie was probably on about £80 … ”

    Oh……………………..I thought you were old enough to have been paid in rum or at least Spanish Dubloons

    🙂

  498. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 4:59 pm

    That’s for calling me a CPA

    LOL

  499. August 22, 2013 5:09 pm

    TB, city living apprentices usually go to school 1or2 days a week, and go to the job for the rest of the week. The `block` system you describe is more usual for `remote`/rural apprentices that need to go to the big smoke or large town to do the school part.
    +
    Absolutely agree that the apprentice `agent` system is shit, they don`t get to proper proficiency level in `anything` under that system, as they keep being moved around.
    +
    Another big loser of apprentices is making them stay at school longer and longer, they are then an adult, sometimes with kids/wife, and can`t do an apprenticeship when they already have a better paying job elsewhere, `security` also applies here too.

  500. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:10 pm

    Thank you KL, not that I am am the precious type who remembers every little slight or anything like that. 🙂

  501. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:12 pm

    Chuckle … @Wally ( or at least Spanish Dubloons if only!)

    I might be a bit sensitive too … this is day nine with this flu and its driving me up the wall!

    The drama with APIA and our jewellery claim has now been on since February and the Financial Ombudsman Service wants us to enter conciliation talks with the insurance co … like that’s going to work …

    ===============================================

    KL, hope your son is back on the mend (or mended!) … you are aware that he is entitled to WC travelling to or from work? If he was???

  502. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:13 pm

    Forgot to say, I received my postal voting papers yesterday, I might have to use a pencil for the senate preferences in case I stuff up numbering from 1 – 82 and need to erase. Is pencil legal?

  503. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:16 pm

    ‘I hope abbott hasn’t lied to the voters then, like he has about putting the greens last with preferences!’

    Putting the Greens last is no problem, but if Abbott fails to win both houses, yet lacks the bottle for a double D election, then he will carry the odium of being a gutless wonder.

  504. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:18 pm

    “I received my postal voting papers yesterday, I might have to use a pencil for the senate preferences in case I stuff up numbering from 1 – 82 and need to erase.”

    Sounds like you should send them to me or James or IPA.

    We’ll make sure they are filled in correctly

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:19 pm

    007, good point re age … I left school after Grade 8 14 1/2 …

    … my first job was an apprentice welder – I spent three months “probation” making wooden ladders and then they asked me to do another three months “probation” – found my next job in two month – apprentice motor mech – see above – the first job paid £7 16s 0d so I took a big drop to move! And yes I was married the year I became a tradesman 1969 @ 21

  506. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:20 pm

    “………..in case I stuff up numbering from 1 – 82 and need to erase.”

    The NSW Senate Ballot is 1.2 metres wide and they will be offering magnifying glasses at the polling booths.

  507. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:22 pm

    In answer to the “Is pencil legal?”

    http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm

  508. August 22, 2013 5:22 pm

    “And the constant reference to communism is irrelevant in our society …”

    Yep, it’s standard, rubbish conservative fare. They love to hyperbolise their imaginary enemies into life…they get a thrill out of constantly changing their sodden undergarments, I suppose.

    After all, many a time snacty has regaled us with earnest prognostications that Teh Left only hate Catholics (wtf?) because they were the only resistance to communism…or some such codswallop. Hmmmm. Of course, the Catholic Church getting in bed with the Nazis doesn’t count, because, as we all know, and various enthusiasts love to remind us, the Nazis were actually communists too. 😯

    The beauty of conservative interpretation. They can’t lose.

  509. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:23 pm

    Got ours too, KL … don’t they have pencils in the booths??

    We’ll make sure they are filled in correctly

    Don’t listen to ‘im, Kl, he’s just a CPA*

    ToSY will just copy someone else’s

    James, will get it arse about face; and

    Wally will try and sell it to somebody for a quick buck

  510. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:23 pm

    ‘But, can you show anywhere that he has had an undeclared conflict of interest on anything?’

    Greg Hunt is a fkn dill, but nevertheless he thinks Quiggin has a conflict of interest. Here Quiggin defends himself.

    http://johnquiggin.com/2013/01/14/greg-hunt-cant-add-cant-read/comment-page-1/

  511. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:25 pm

    From Wally’s link …

    Why do they supply pencils in polling booths and not pens? … Doesn’t using pencils allow votes to be tampered with? The provision of pencils in polling booths is a requirement of section 206 of the Electoral Act.

    http://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm

  512. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:27 pm

    The beauty of conservative interpretation. They can’t lose.

    They lose me constantly with their convoluted “arguments” …

  513. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:29 pm

    KL, hope your son is back on the mend (or mended!) … you are aware that he is entitled to WC travelling to or from work? If he was???

    I can’t remember if he was on way to or from work now TB, I must ask him. He didn’t claim any WC, I know he had a hard time and a lot of stress getting a claim against the woman responsible for running him down, police didn’t seem interested in charging or even chasing her up.

    …and we still have another zombie debate to endure, which of course Mr-Rabbit(go!) has already won according to Limited-News.

    for a bit of a laff:

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/22/the-shut-up-factor-twelve-hours-later-the-make-up-girl-strikes-back/

    and

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2013/08/20/murdochs-owellian-techniques-tomorrow-night-prefigured/

    Even tho kevin07 can talk under water in at least two languages.

    😆

  514. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:38 pm

    “And the constant reference to communism is irrelevant in our society …”

    It would be if you the rancid red innards of the Greens weren’t spilling all over the place, with former commos like Rhiannon and Bandt getting elected to parliament and governing in coalition with the ALP.

    In fact it was that idiot Bandt who wrote to his Trotskyite mates about the need to seek their aims through colonisation of the Greens.

  515. August 22, 2013 5:38 pm

    “That is the reply of a very decent man IMO.”

    I think splatter is definitely that. One of few lucid, rational people I’ve encountered on blogs who can substantiate his position to the point that I can accept it; even if I don’t necessarily hold the same stance. I read his colourful approach as goading humour, not malice.

    As for, TB. I hope it wasn’t me, TB. I don’t recall. I know I prod babybooming every now & again.
    Age is definitely not a factor in how I judge people. Certainly, all those I’ve worked with over the years come from a spectrum of all ages & their worth has had nothing to do with their age. It is demeanour, outlook & integrity that I’m attracted to in a person…or repelled by; not their ‘pigeonhole’. Such attributes are timeless.

  516. August 22, 2013 5:41 pm

    “It would be if you the rancid red innards of the Greens weren’t spilling all over the place”

    Hardly in the same league as the type of murderous communist dictatorships which snacty drew links to.

    I think you all know that though. It just makes good hyperbole, ala FoxNews.

  517. August 22, 2013 5:44 pm

    It should also be noted that Trotsy & Stalin are only held under the same banner by those whom don’t recognise the differences between them. In fact, Stalin, killer of millions, hated Trotsky.

  518. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:52 pm

    I doubt it will happen but it would be amusing

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/poll-indicates-kevin-rudd-could-lose-his-seat-of-griffith-20130822-2se30.html

  519. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:56 pm

    Not you, Toillette, but for the record … the, suppository, got all Third Reich earlier this week, believing that I should swear allegiance and man the ALP barriers for some reason … apparently it was to do with my aging arse … and I have it on good authority it is still in good shape!

    Sieg Heil!

  520. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 5:59 pm

    I doubt it will happen but it would be amusing

    Mmmmm … I read that article earlier, Wally, have you noticed the skewing of the info every day … I read that Rudd holds the seat by 8.4 something %

    Murdoch needs to stop meddling because people WILL wake up eventually and he may just trigger a self fulfilling prophesy and Rudd will land in the Lodge.

  521. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:02 pm

    I think the good justice knows a stitch-up and abuse of courts when he smells it.

    …Mr Brough was holding a media conference at 1pm to address the claims…

    Do we know what brough said in his conference?

  522. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:05 pm

    Nah, KL, I’m in the middle of a search … great minds! 😉

  523. Walrus On The Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:08 pm

    I saw it in the SMH TB but like you discarded it as a bit of nonsence. But just now I read the full article and this bit.

    He actually might lose it just based upon this……..

    “…………Mr Rudd had been booked by brisbanetimes.com.au, Fairfax Radio 4BC and Nine News to debate Dr Glasson at the Brisbane Powerhouse on Thursday night.

    Dr Glasson and Mr Rudd were due to face-off at 6.30pm. Channel 10’s The Project has now advised that the Prime Minister would be live on its program at that time.

    Labor Senator Claire Moore will replace Mr Rudd in the debate against Dr Glasson.

    Dr Glasson said the decision to pull out at such a late stage was a rude “insult to the people of Griffith”.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/poll-indicates-kevin-rudd-could-lose-his-seat-of-griffith-20130822-2se30.html#ixzz2cgQD6qaR

  524. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:12 pm

    Sorry that’s more of the same … stupid headline …

    Maybe this …

    http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/clive-takes-on-mal-over-ashby-cash/1993757/

  525. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:15 pm

    mmmm … so will Brough now sue Palmer for defamation?

    Oh what a tangled web we weave … LOL

  526. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:21 pm

    ‘I think splatter is definitely that. One of few lucid, rational people I’ve encountered on blogs who can substantiate his position to the point that I can accept it’

    Agree …. and he also has a good sense of humour.

  527. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 6:24 pm

    Abbott declares end to tobacco companies’ donations:
    http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/abbott-declares-end-tobacco-companies-donations/1994560/

  528. August 22, 2013 8:18 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ use a pencil for the senate preferences in case I stuff up numbering from 1 – 82 and need to erase’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    Libtard 82, ink it in
    Natard 81, ink it in 🙂

  529. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 22, 2013 8:31 pm

    Toilet, it was TB who set the bar as “Communism at its worst”.

    It was that to which I was referring.

    Über Kapitalism and The Robber Baron mentality is no better than Communism at its worst!

    TB frequently talks about Robber Barons in the present context. If he wants to make comparisons such as those it’s hardly surprising that I might correct him.

    Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Min, Pol Pot all slaughtered citizens in the millions. Millions.

    Such a comment deserves to be countered and I don’t think I went as hard as I should have.

  530. August 22, 2013 8:34 pm

    armchair / ellistabletalk,
    lt`s funny how any random blog already knows what Limited-News is going to report peddle
    Yay foxnews.

  531. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 8:40 pm

    Go Abbott!!

  532. August 22, 2013 8:54 pm

    Too bad our `nun` isn`t showing a little tongue yomm 🙂
    go abbott!

  533. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:17 pm

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/special-features/makeup-artist-lily-fontana-slams-8216rude8217-kevin-rudd-after-people8217s-forum/story-fnho52jo-1226701851346

    I don’t know about you lot, but this to me is such a beat-up and an example of murdoch’s mob going for anything they can to ensure labor doesn’t get an even break, doesn’t ever get anything positive in the papers, it’s talk up abbott and talk down rudd.

    From reading this media account, it would seem that kevvie wasn’t rude to the make-up artist at all, he just didn’t engage with her because he was focused on his debate to come.

    Are people so needy that our PM must set aside whatever he’s doing and thinking, to act like she’s the centre of his universe? So, tony was friendlier and more chatty throughout the experience, it doesn’t make him a better person. Rudd doesn’t enjoy the make-up experience whilst tony laps it up, where’s the big deal and where is the personal slight?

    Unreal.

  534. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:23 pm

    She was applying some lipstick and fake tan to Abbott, a little hair colour, some mascara over the bald patch. He appreciated the work.

    Rudd was no challenge.

  535. egg permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:25 pm

    ‘Rudd doesn’t enjoy the make-up experience whilst tony laps it up’

    Yeah, Tony’s grooming is a standard joke around here.

  536. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2013 9:27 pm

    I guess it was a good excuse to bring up all the kevvie and air hostess and kevvie swearing vids, just in case people had forgotten. I mean, don’t actually critique policy and costings or anything! Can’t be an even chance, rudd has to wrestle abbott with one hand tied behind his back! Now where are all those aggressive abbott and abbott with silver foot in mouth gaffe vids?

  537. August 22, 2013 9:38 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Yep, it’s standard, rubbish conservative fare. They love to hyperbolise their imaginary enemies into life…they get a thrill out of constantly changing their sodden undergarments, I suppose.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ After all, many a time snacty has regaled us’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    Dunny, you`re being too hard on oh-snacky and are not taking fully into account his condition of being indoctrinated with a mantra or several. This is not oh-snacky`s fault as his condition/s began most likely as a child, obedient to his parents. Non-conformity is not an ability oh-snacky possesses, and most likely never will, as non-conformity requires individual thought. Just because you and l are not attached rigidly to under-performing mantras, handed down to us from our superiors, does not mean oh-snacky requires your constant correcting with fact based data. lf oh-snacky wishes to depict your wordy comments as communistic, you fail to understand the doctrines that have been applied to raising oh-snacky, which he retains in adult life. Dunny, you are the `red` oh-snacky was raised to find under his bed, and he checks under his bed every night for you, but of course you`re not there.

  538. August 22, 2013 10:10 pm

    Fontana smells like a teabag stooge, armchair.
    The punters don`t seem to have bought the bullshit tho.
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/special-features/makeup-artist-lily-fontana-slams-8216rude8217-kevin-rudd-after-people8217s-forum/story-fnho52jo-1226701851346

  539. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:23 pm

    Ha ha hilarious

    Look at the shrieking Left here

    LOL

  540. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:28 pm

    Tony preferred this one, but booked out.

  541. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:31 pm

    730…..you are a prize dickhead. Toilet will attest that I have never called him a Communist. But you follow it up with some poor chick being a “teabag stooge”. She posted something to her mates on Facebook then took it down as soon as it went viral. She’s since “regretted”. Hardly a “teabag stooge” you incoherent donkey.

    But what’s hysterical is you follow up your post accusing me of hysteria (falsely) with your own ridiculous conspiracy theory.

    KL, yes it’s a beat up. KR had no obligation to engage with the makeup girl prior to the debate. But it’s an election. Far more pertinent is that Rudd took off straight afterwards whilst Abbott hung with the audience answering questions. Love him or hate him, he’s out campaigning Rudd by a street.

  542. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:33 pm

    I doubt it, Tom. You or I perhaps, but that nun looks suspiciously like a certain Cardinal….

  543. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 22, 2013 10:34 pm

    Whoops…..sorry…..

    Go Tony!!

  544. August 23, 2013 1:26 am

    heads-up armchair,
    http://www.chickennation.com/2013/08/18/you-cant-waste-your-vote/
    ***GO WATERMELON***

  545. August 23, 2013 1:46 am

    heads-up oh-snacky`osy
    go! abbott!
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2013/08/all-in-good-time.html

  546. August 23, 2013 1:51 am

    heads-up reb
    *gay-marriage* *teabag-thrashing*
    http://dragonistasblog.com/2013/08/22/rudds-doublespeak-on-marriage-equality/

  547. August 23, 2013 8:29 am

    Thanks 730

  548. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 8:51 am

    OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

    The Cafe crowd have taken over the Sydney Morning Herald

    Look at the slogan underneath the Masthead………………..

    How long has that been there ?

    http://www.smh.com.au/

  549. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 9:01 am

    Sister Fong has known Mr Abbott since she brought her powers of persuasion to bear on the then-health minister six years ago.
    ”He gave me the licence for our first MRI,” she said.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/opposition-leaders-miscalculated-peck-has-social-media-buzzing-20130822-2sei4.html#ixzz2ck2lzAUN

    Is “MRI” a nun euphemism for an STD”

  550. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 10:46 am

    Does anyone else recall a more bizarre election campaign where we have an incumbent PM taking photos of his shaving cuts wandering around the nation taking “selfies”, snatching mobile phones’ from the hands of a schoolgirl talking to her mum, stealing a potato chip from some poor hapless sod trying to eat his lunch, uttering bizarre things like “Gotta zip” and “Up here in Brissy” or “Bris”?

    And Rudd is supposedly trying to turn this into a presidential style election campaign.

    Does anyone have a photo of Barack Obama’s shaving cuts ?

    In some weird way Rudd has really “belittled/boganised” the Office of PM like no other before him.

  551. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2013 11:04 am

    I always enjoy, Wally’s, attempts to play a News Ltd editor …

  552. August 23, 2013 6:40 pm

    “Toilet will attest that I have never called him a Communist.”

    Tis true.

  553. August 23, 2013 6:45 pm

    I’m a (sometimes) belligerent atheist.

    Far worse, to a social conservative, than a communist (of which there are no true examples in this society).

    * note to social conservatives, the world isn’t out to get you, it just doesn’t care. 😉

  554. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 12:21 pm

    A rather startling column from Alan Kohler in Business Spectator …

    FIGHTBACK! v3.0 coming from the Libs … but we won’t hear about it ’till its too late … something any of us have suspected, I suspect …

    So you wouldn’t know it, but the Liberal National Party Coalition has for almost three years been sitting on a full, written plan for governing Australia. It is, by all accounts, one of the most detailed and exhaustive plans for government ever prepared by an opposition party.

    But it has never been made public. That’s because the person charged with pulling it together from detailed discussions with shadow ministers as well a huge range of community leaders, has been Andrew Robb, the shadow finance minister, who was also responsible for Fightback! – the detailed policy that cost John Hewson the ‘unlosable election’ of 1993.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/26/election/abbotts-secret-fightback-plan-3?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=398232&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

  555. August 26, 2013 12:42 pm

    Interesting read TB.

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