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Rostrum: Sawadee Kap Edition

August 23, 2013

Greetings fellow funsters,

It’s 6:30am here in Penang we’re about to board a flight to Bangkok.

I’ll probably do a bit of temple hopping and shopping, then back to Penang on Sunday night.

I hope you’re all being nice to each other ( although it doesn’t look like it from here)..

Have a lovely weekend!

cheers

reb.

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376 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 11:24 am

    I’m posting here because the other thread is getting too cumbersome for mobiles.

    Rudd hasn’t boganised the office, he’s taken it up about 3 levels from Gillard.

    On the other hand, Abbott is likely to become the Shane Warne of the office. With spacfiller or botox or something over the wrinkles, a very rich and unusual shade of chestnut brunette hair dye.

    I don’t mind speedos for ocean swimming, but blokes who wear fake tan, use wrinkle treatment and dye their hair …aren’t up to the job.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 11:31 am

    …and they’re particularly not up to the job if they think that it’s ok to grope/pash elderly nuns.

  3. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 12:01 pm

    Have the shrieking Lefties realized that they have one man to blame for the likely election of Tony Abbott as PM.

    His name ???????????????????????

    Gordon Grech

    LOL

    Otherwise Malcolm would be PM

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 12:10 pm

    Whistleblowing: a list of documents the Australian people deserve to see:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/22/australia-surveillance-documents-whistleblowing

    An item of interest, why we need to be vigilant and opposed to governments who treat us as if we should just allow them to make all decisions for us without question, simply because they are our elected representatives. There can be no informed consent by the citizens if they are not fully informed about issues and agreements supposedly made on our behalf.

  5. IPA permalink
    August 23, 2013 12:11 pm

    One moment more than any other signalled the beginning of the end for this Labor government. It’s a moment from which they’ve never recovered and one the Australian people will never forget. Ugh!

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 12:38 pm

    It’s a moment from which they’ve never recovered and one the Australian people will never forget. Ugh!

    We’ve yet to see how the people feel about it. Some of us think it was the best thing to happen to australian politics and want to see even more of it.

    Go you hung parliament! Drag the corrupted old two party political system kicking and screaming into the future.
    Speaking of the Future Party, I just placed them 2nd on my ballot paper for HoR!

  7. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 12:57 pm

    Busted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Egg and scaper are the same person

    http://futureparty.org.au/policy/summary/#CharterCity

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 1:34 pm

    Egg and scaper are the same person

    how so walrus?

    mmmm, thanks for link, I don’t like the nuclear policy of that party, but feel sure that the population wouldn’t allow that option anyway. Better than my other options [family first, rise up, LNP, cec] On second thoughts, I might change them to no. 3, lucky I have thought ahead and opted for the pencil + eraser 😉

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 1:41 pm

    I suppose it proposes a satelite city and high speed rail.

    Though scaper wants his city to be located in a fly blown dustbowl about 600 kms west of Mt Isa.

  10. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 1:47 pm

    “how so walrus?”

    Just as ToM said

    The high speed rail and a city in the middle of nowhere

  11. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 1:50 pm

    ROFLMAO

    Are you sure about them KL ?

    ”The Future Party believes strongly in using markets as a means to achieve competition for success and to gauge demand for products, technologies and lifestyles that individuals want. Market economies allows pluralism and diversity.”

    http://futureparty.org.au/policy/6-economy/

  12. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 1:56 pm

    And this comes as no surprise no matter what party you follow

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/chris-is-right-pollies-are-not-what-they-used-to-be-20130823-2sfzi.html

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 2:05 pm

    Are you sure about them KL ?

    Can you find any australian political party that doesn’t believe in markets, other than the Socialist Equality Party?

    Further down, they redeem themselves by suggesting regulation and protection of the environment:

    …The government also has a role to play in guiding the economy with macroeconomic policy, where the population desires a change, but existing structures make the transition non-responsive to the demand. In situations where competition encourages short sightedness or destruction (the tragedy of the commons), the government, as representatives of the people, should act to provide incentives to reduce waste and destruction. The natural environment is particularly prone to destruction as there are no real monetary incentives to corporations and individuals to avoid environmental destruction. The benefits of a healthy environment are shared by all people. Hence the time, money and effort that an individual puts into reducing their impact on the environment will be much greater than the personal benefit that the individual derives. The government therefore has a mandate from the people to act to protect the environment through multiple methods (with options for achieving this mandate ranging from incentives to penalties).

    Capitalism may also be incapable of directing investment to benefit all of society in an efficient manner…

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    Just as ToM said
    The high speed rail and a city in the middle of nowhere

    Aren’t they just two of the deluded deniers who have bought into the propaganda spruiked by ‘lord’ monkton et al on behalf of gina/andev and rest of the pro fossil fuel establishment who are all for future generations to pay the price of an irresponsible ‘profits now & infinite magic pudding’ mentality. Crusaders against progress and change, the thought too shit-scary for them to even contemplate!

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 2:39 pm

    I’m thinking of trying this:

    Saving your Senate vote:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/saving-your-senate-vote/

    Melbourne based activist Albert Langer has been annoying the Australian Electoral Commission for some years…
    …He found an anomaly in the electoral system that allowed voters to mark their electoral ballots in the House of Representatives in such a way that this could happen. He was ultimately jailed for his efforts and the government changed the rules so that all votes would flow to the two big parties. They were scared.

    Well, guess what? He has found another little error in the system that we can play with this election.

    Paragraph 21 of the AEC Informal Voting Electoral Backgrounder notes that:

    ‘An example would be a ballot paper with 18 candidates on which the voter numbers all of the squares but repeats the number 16 or leaves out the number 16. In this case, the ballot paper will not be informal (that is, it will not be rejected from the scrutiny entirely), but only the preferences from 1 to 15 can be used in the scrutiny.’

    So, a voter can number all squares (or all squares but one), starting with 1, containing a minor error that will limit the allocation of preferences but not render the ballot informal.

    This allows a person to only vote for the people they want by numbering the ballot paper (say) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10… (5, 6, 7 replaced by 5, 5, 7).

    In this case, the voter’s preferences up to position 4 would be distributed before the vote was exhausted…

  16. egg permalink
    August 23, 2013 3:42 pm

    ‘Egg and scaper are the same person’

    We both enjoy projection, but he’s a nasty piece of work.

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 3:44 pm

    Well I’m done, I didn’t go with the Langer protest vote after all, I thought it too risky, had no guarantee that my vote would still be counted and this is an important election!
    Out of 82 for the senate, I have libs 77-82, labor 16-19, greens 3-5.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 3:51 pm

    I’ve been doing the Albert Langer voting for a few elections, I’d put ALP and Libs equal, near the bottom.

    This time I’ll vote for an independent then ALP, though the 2PP is about 70/30 in favour of the Libs in my electorate.

  19. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 3:55 pm

    There’s a bit of controversy here in NSW. Seems that a party called the Liberal Democrats Party have scored the first column on the Senate ballot paper and confusion amongst some who think it’s the Liberal Party rules supreme.

  20. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 3:59 pm

    So at 12:38pm you had gotten upto Number 2 and at 3:44pm you finally made it to Number 82 ?

    3 Hours and 6 Minutes later

    Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 4:05 pm

    3 Hours and 6 Minutes later
    Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

    Had to do my research walrus, check out all those indies and minor parties policies, wouldn’t want to accidentally give a higher preference to a christian fundy or something!

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2013 4:14 pm

    After reading your posts, KL, mine can sit on the bench till tomorrow …

    Although my big red cross is still an option … would that make me a whistleblower?

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 4:16 pm

    loose lips sink ships.

    Liberals ire as Abetz goes ‘freelancing’:

    …Tony Abbott’s industrial relations spokesman Eric Abetz has attracted internal criticism for ”freelancing” on future Coalition policy by suggesting an Abbott government would intervene in wage settlements if wage rates were too high.

    Senior Liberals were aghast on Thursday when they read that Senator Abetz had granted an unscheduled interview on his party’s workplace relations laws, during which he flagged that enterprise agreements entered into by unions and employers might be struck down if deemed excessive.

    …Fairfax Media understands that Senator Abetz has been advised to avoid further interviews…

    Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/liberals-ire-as-abetz-goes-freelancing-20130822-2seh8.html#ixzz2cloXaU7U

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 4:29 pm

    Can we believe the polls? Robopollsters are showing strange results:

    Well, they and the robopollsters can’t both be right. Someone will be left looking pretty silly on election night.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/can-we-believe-the-polls-robopollsters-are-showing-strange-results-20130822-2sep7.html#ixzz2clpdAJb7

    After reading your posts, KL, mine can sit on the bench till tomorrow …
    Best done over a relaxing drink or two TB!

    FYI, I decided that the pirate party should be allocated my no. 1 preference, I decided that they are the only ones advocating for open & transparent processes of government, participatory democracy and curbing predatory copyright practices.

    reform of democratic institutions -tick
    BoR – tick
    civil liberties – tick
    FTTP – tick
    reforming copyright – tick
    privacy – tick
    environment and renewable energy – ick
    tax reform – tick

    what’s not to like?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2013 4:54 pm

    Best done over a relaxing drink or two TB!

    I wish! Day ten of the lurgi!

    The Pirate Party, eh?

    I spend quite a bit of time at their HQ these days … http://thepiratebay.sx/ 😉

    Are they advocating cheaper broadband pricing? 25Gb is not enough!

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 5:09 pm

    Why Labor Really Worries About Coalition Cuts

    https://newmatilda.com/2013/08/20/why-labor-really-worries-about-coalition-cuts

    …It is easy to heap blame on both mainstream parties, but the reality is that the “right” has been mounting a sustained attack on the public sector for at least the last thirty years. As Noam Chomsky points out, we have been encouraged to hate government, and to see taxation not as payments we make to bring some decency to society and to fund public goods, but as a form of theft to be resisted.

    The Coalition, in holding back its costings, is using an established tactic to deceive pre-poll voters. But its greater deceit is about its longer-term fiscal plans. Labor in its warning about the Coalition’s $70 billion “black hole” is on the right track, but that’s only a small part of the story – a gap of $18 billion a year is a long way short of $60 billion a year…

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2013 5:51 pm

    Meet Mrs Noddy Newman …

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/things-kevin-and-tony-have-learned-on-the-campaign-trail/story-fnho52ip-1226702764118

    This woman is a bimbo … very, very strange “person” … but then so is her husband …

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2013 6:12 pm

    “but the reality is that the “right” has been mounting a sustained attack on the public sector for at least the last thirty years. ”

    Well that did not happen under Howard. Rudd condemned Howard in 2007 for letting the PS get too big and said he was going to take a meat axe to the PS.

    It is amazing that people believe what they want to believe not what actually happened.

    My opinion is that the PS should be as small as possible. It takes money from the private sector and a lot of the money taken is wasted.

  29. August 23, 2013 6:18 pm

    “wouldn’t want to accidentally give a higher preference to a christian fundy or something!”

    Amen to that!

    I’m very careful about how I number…but I love the idea of what Albert Langer represents. I’d never heard of it before. Worth a shot, I reckon. Fuck the duopoly, with a clawhammer!
    So cool to try & exploit their perpetuation of the status quo.

    I also love the sound of the Pirates, whom I’d also never heard of.

    The day I vote, I’ll be in the middle of nightshift…so I look forward to being cranky & giving the conservative pamphlet wavers on the way in a bit of a ‘get-the-fuck-out-of-my-face-wid-yo-pantswetting-shit’ tirade. I like to see their indignant astonishment at being confronted thus.

  30. August 23, 2013 6:21 pm

    “It is amazing that people believe what they want to believe not what actually happened.”

    Somebody get that man a mirror! 😯

  31. August 23, 2013 6:25 pm

    Watch the big two cuntPARTYs go after something like the pirate party if it gains any sort of traction at an election (support is an entirely possible undercurrent, that sort of shit is widespread throughout society).
    Unca Sam won’t tolerate his proxies giving succour to those who’d undermine his Big Media moneygouging.

  32. August 23, 2013 6:27 pm

    Thanks for sharing your voting machinations, KL.

    Much food for thought.

    I virtually get a double vote, coz my partner couldn’t give two squirts & will vote for whomever I suggest.

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:02 pm

    “Somebody get that man a mirror!”

    No i have made up my mind. Most ALP supporters are incapable of telling the truth. Look at this statement.

    ““but the reality is that the “right” has been mounting a sustained attack on the public sector for at least the last thirty years. ”

    Did this happen under Howard?? News to me if it did. I assume most statements by ALP/Green supporters are false until proven otherwise.

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:08 pm

    Yesterday I posted at Bolt’s blog!

    I said that Abbott was comfortable in make up, with his fake tan, wrinkle treatment and died hair.

    The moderators allowed it!

    Bolt is clearly fair!

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:12 pm

    No i have made up my mind. Most ALP supporters are incapable of telling the truth. Look at this statement.

    neil, your mind has never been your own, you haven’t had a single original thought ever.

  36. August 23, 2013 7:13 pm

    ‘Dyed hair’?

    What sort of ‘intelligent retorts’ did your sarcasm induce?

  37. egg permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:14 pm

    Bolt is genuinely fair and enjoys a bit of humour. We could form a flash mob and do a plunge on his blog just for the laffs … to see if he can tolerate us.

  38. August 23, 2013 7:14 pm

    Exhibit A- It is amazing that people believe what they want to believe not what actually happened.

    Exhibit B- i have made up my mind.

  39. August 23, 2013 7:16 pm

    Genuinely fair, my arse.

    Genuinely skewed.

    Genuinely partisan.

    Genuinely excisive.

    Genuinely predictable.

  40. August 23, 2013 7:17 pm

    Worth repeating to social conservatives…

    The world isn’t out to get you…it just doesn’t care. 😉

  41. egg permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:20 pm

    Bolt is blatantly biased, everyone knows that, but on his blog he has always allowed alternative comments. He leaves it to his slavish followers to dispense with the intruder.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:31 pm

    Bolt is blatantly biased, everyone knows that, but on his blog he has always allowed alternative comments.

    Not so, I can recall numerous times in the past when my comments were not published, same with albrechtsen’s ‘blog’, I don’t even bother reading any of them anymore unless toilet happens upon something to share. I wouldn’t give them the clicks.

  43. August 23, 2013 7:31 pm

    “he has always allowed alternative comments.”

    Not true.

    He has ‘selectively’ allowed alternative comments which are easily subdued by the horde…like Cafe Prozac.

    I gave up trying years ago. But I can assure you, he rejected 97% of all the comments I ever bothered to make their, because they challenged him directly.

  44. August 23, 2013 7:32 pm

    ‘there’…d’oh!

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:51 pm

    At Bolt’s blog I said –

    “Abbott enjoys make up, usually self applied fake tan and hair dye.”

    No replies, it was buried among all the others. I’ll try repeating it!

  46. egg permalink
    August 23, 2013 7:51 pm

    Maybe.

  47. egg permalink
    August 23, 2013 8:01 pm

    Apologies for putting this up, but if you skim through the comments you will see there is a reasonable amount of biff, which suggests its a robust blog.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/coalition_refuses_to_say_what_difference_its_billions_will_make_to_the_temp/

  48. August 23, 2013 8:43 pm

    No maybe about it.

    Neither myself, nor KL, have any reason to lie about it.

    Bolt is supremely selective in what he publishes.

    What you see in his comments section is but a sliver of what’s posted by dissenters.

    But whatever. As Neil says…people believe what they want to believe not what actually happened.

  49. IPA permalink
    August 23, 2013 9:51 pm

    #Boltisinsideyourheads

  50. August 23, 2013 10:08 pm

    #andguestofhonouratfunctionsIwouldneverattend

  51. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 23, 2013 11:58 pm

    “Somebody get that man a mirror! ”

    At the risk of changing subjects from the election…….

    Are we talking about James Hird ?

    If so I think he might need a pond.

    He has the look of one of those early 1960s ancient god movies.

    I thought Rudd was a narcissist.

    Me me me me me me me me its all about me !

    Hird even looks like the original

  52. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 6:59 am

    ‘Neither myself, nor KL, have any reason to lie about it.

    No, even I have been knocked on the head over there, but I assumed (as my comments were inoffensive) they didn’t have the moderators.

    ‘Bolt is supremely selective in what he publishes.’

    This needs to be tested under controlled conditions, to avoid bias.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2013 8:51 am

    ‘Neither myself, nor KL, have any reason to lie about it.

    Neither Bolt nor Akerman have accepted my posts for since 2007! And I haven’t “looked” since 2008 …

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2013 9:05 am

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/coalition-immigration-spokesperson-scott-morrison-announces-plan-to-buy-back-boats/story-fnho52ip-1226702440885

    What a fkn ludicrous brain fart of an “””” idea “”””” …

    And the Libs claim to be economic managers … what a bunch of Fuckwits™

    Libs “Mate, instead of you getting $30,0000 for people smuggling we’ll give you $40,000”

    Boatie “OK, good deal”

    Boatie “Mate, could you build me a couple of new boats and whack a decent engine into them with my extra $10,000?”

    Boat bldr “Sure, but you’ll have to wait, I have another 10 to build … ”

    Morrison looked quite “mad” delivering the news last night!

    And Barnaby really is bonkas … I felt sorry for Joel Fitzgibbons, last night on Lateline, just couldn’t engage with, Barnaby’s, off the planet statements and simply had to watch Emma Alberici tell Barnaby he was a Dickwit© for him …

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2013 9:06 am

    Morrison: He declined to say how many boats could be bought back or for how much, saying he did not want to encourage owners to take advantage of the scheme.

    LOL!

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2013 10:48 am

    The 2 policies that the Libs use as the big differentiators are disasters-

    1. Asylum seekers, they just look more stupid each day. Buying boats!! All the boats in Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia are now for sale (at a premium) to the incoming Australian Government.
    2. PPL- unfunded, and unsupported. It’s a reasonable aspiration, but looks stupid as a big bang policy approach.

    The ALP is paying for the Gillard/Swan debacle.

  57. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 11:52 am

    Tom the AlP if paying for the Rudd debacle. This strange person was in melt down when they replaced him. He then hung about in the shadows and destabilized the government and sabotaged the last election. And they put him back?@:%{‘nkks:(.

  58. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 11:59 am

    Is paying.
    My typing is off because I feeling sick having just read that TA is blaming JG for bringing Parliament into disrepute. That man is trying to hide his bovver-ness so he can put one polished foot on the World Stage where narcissists believe they belonging. Mr Spanky Clean. Mr Upright. mr Charm Itself. Mr Man-of-Vision (limited, very), mr Statesman. How he has honed and polished himself for the role. His idea of grace and elegance. He looks like a rough-head shearer dressed up for his first dance. His mum having slicked down his hair with spit on a hanky. He would not look out of place among the mannikins in a Myer window circa 1953. Smooth, shiny, eyes a-sparkle. What sort of man gets himself up like that?

  59. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 12:33 pm

    ‘but looks stupid as a big bang policy approach.’

    I agree, he appears politically inept and lacks vision.

  60. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 12:57 pm

    Re above: I have noted all misssspellings, punktuation errors, poore sentince construckshons etc and do not require the assistense of gramer polis.

    I am simply appalled at the state of political discourse in this land of the self-satisfied. What is going on when each week the two main parties devise upstaging cruelties to asylum seekers. I would like to see TA and Scott M and K Rudd face a life and death situation which involved fleeing their homelands. They would be on the first conveyance with their elbows turned out. But they are the very model of a Christian gentleman.

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:17 pm

    grrrr, cannot believe the bare-faced hypocrisy with phonytony blaming gillard for lowering the tone of politics these last 3 years. So typical of the conservative-double-speak though. I hope he doesn’t get away with yet another born-again pretence at being decent.

    I notice the article doesn’t allow any comments, the cowards.

    What is it called…chutzpah, I believe, or possibly filthy lying piece of shit!

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/headbanging-gillard-sullied-political-standards-says-abbott-20130823-2shea.html

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:21 pm

    Libs are ‘mean little people’: Keating:

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/libs-are-mean-little-people-keating-20130824-2shz4.html

    …”It came from the policies of the Labor government.
    “It didn’t come from the Tories. They know what they’re against. They never know what they’re for.”
    Mr Keating credited Labor for creating equity in health, superannuation, education and now disability care.
    “The others never do these things. They’re always mean. Mean little people,” he said.
    “No imagination, no bigness and no heart.
    “Just the natural cycle means every now and then they get another go.”…

  63. IPAddress permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:24 pm

    Our Julia was a sweet-talking temptress. 🙄

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:30 pm

    https://twitter.com/_davidlucas_/status/371078640127074304

    http://thehoopla.com.au/abbott-punch/

    Even more, I loathe a bully boy who can’t resist going back for One. Last. Punch…

  65. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:52 pm

    Thanks for those links Armchair. It helps to know that others are as infuriated as I am. This is how propaganda works. I hate to think what is to come. Only a very dishonest person can repackage a lie as truth. I predict we will see more of this in coming years.

  66. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 1:59 pm

    IPA you can number yourself among the conned. By comparison with Rudd and Abbott Julia Gillard straight-forward. I have no illusions about any politician and I have some sympathy for their contortions. After all it must be a nightmare having to appeal to an entire population. That said she was, by all accounts, a charming, funny, intelligent, warm and hard working woman. She was a grown up person. Abbott and Rudd are anything but: spoiled, petulant, boring show-offs.

  67. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 2:00 pm

    Please insert ‘is’ before straight-forward

  68. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 2:10 pm

    ‘This is how propaganda works.’

    Propaganda is essentially the truth, sprinkled with a few fibs. This can be best illustrated with climate change, the temperatures are rising so it must be CO2 and humans doing it.

  69. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 2:33 pm

    Propaganda is neutral. Its aim is to influence people. It can be used for good or bad. A good use of propaganda resulted in mass vaccinations to combat diseases like polio. Bad propaganda led to the demonization of Jews during World War Two. Used in that way propaganda becomes a vehicle for lies either directly or by omission. I place Tony Abbott’s blatherings today in the latter category. He has heaped the whole brutal name calling of the past three years on Julia Gillard’s shoulders, neglecting to mention his own considerable role. It is cowardly and unmanly. He is like a person who returns to a collapsed opponent after a brawl to sink the slipper a few more times. What is even more appalling is that there will be many people in the country who will cheer him on.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2013 2:38 pm

    Gillard used her femininity when it suited her, and objected to her being treated differently on the basis of her sex.

    • Her “young and naïve” excuse for having a fraudulent criminal hack boyfriend, who was also her client, was an excuse only available to a mid 30s woman. A male of similar age would have been justifiably ridiculed.

    • Her manner with the likes of Kerry O’Brien – “oh Kerry, how can you say that” **giggle** **bat eye lashes** **blush* and **giggle** again, was only available as a woman’s defence.

    Gillard dragged politicians reputations into new depths, ably supported by Swan.

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2013 2:45 pm

    Will Bolt approve this comment?

    Abbott will become only the second PM to use hair dye and the first to use fake tan each day.

    He’s a man’s man.

  72. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 3:00 pm

    Tom! Why should’nt she behave like a woman. She is one. Margaret Thatcher battered her eyes too. Why should women in this country be as stitched up as the men. Show me a photo of any group of men in this country and it will show everyone standing with their hands crossed in front of their zippers. European men stand together with their arms about one another, they kiss each other. They are at ease with each other and they like women. I do not think many Anglo Celt males display the same ease with themselves let alone with women. One of the greatest obstacles for an ambitious woman is that she cannot be feminine.

  73. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 3:12 pm

    ‘Propaganda is neutral. Its aim is to influence people. It can be used for good or bad. A good use of propaganda resulted in mass vaccinations to combat diseases like polio.’

    Strongly disagree.

  74. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 3:15 pm

    Fair enough Egg. Propaganda is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

  75. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 3:53 pm

    See if you see any propaganda in this from a Guardian journalist.

    “The scientists are getting very concerned privately – they are conservative in public and have yet to write it up – that blocking processes are sticking in the system. The jet stream is behaving very strangely.

    “One very senior atmospheric scientist said to me recently off the record that we are liable to wake up one day and find ourselves on the latitude – which we are in the UK – of Montreal. It’s a liveable place, but not like London. They have underground tunnels because of their winters.

    “The Gulf Stream is having a few wobbles, too, and the theory there is the melting in Greenland and the Arctic is creating a lot of cold, fresh water, which is a possible source for loss of power in the conductor, so it moves less warm water up from the Caribbean.”

  76. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 4:08 pm

    I am not getting sucked into your rubber room Egg. You are there for a reason. I happen to take note of real eggheads like Prof Peter Doherty

  77. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 4:44 pm

    Doherty is in medicine…. nice fella.

    For the lurkers, the Guardian journalist is intimating in the last par that global warming might create global cooling and humans are responsible.

    The three pars are scientifically correct except for the fib at the base, which is biased speculation by the author.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2013 4:50 pm

    … ably supported by Swan.

    His banner boards this election read … SWANNY (true)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Margaret Thatcher battered her eyes too.

    … do you want fries with that? 😆

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    egg, you’re sneaking’ in again … you have a speshul room for that stuff!

  79. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 4:59 pm

    Egg I know he is a medical man but he was addressed the climate change issue last week at a conference saying that whatever one believed, one should address the science. Some people think they do I suspect. Others like to think it is all a left-wing plot.

    TB you have made me laugh and that is an achievement as I am cross today.

  80. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 4:59 pm

    Addressing

  81. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 5:12 pm

    TB I will remind you that its an open thread, the blogmasta is in Penang and my power bills just came in.

    Seeing as the election is only a couple of weeks away and the incumbent is going to lose because of that fkn tax, I strongly suggest you consider your future.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2013 5:18 pm

    TB I will remind you that its an open thread …

    With one exception … as you well know, egg, and I can assure you my future is quite safe whichever Fuckwit© wins ….

    off for drinkies with son and family … enjoy your evening all.

  83. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 6:04 pm

    It has come to my attention that some lady/ladies on 2GB have described TA as being ‘hunky’. Does he have sex appeal? I am flustered. Does Kevin have it too?

  84. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 6:47 pm

    ‘With one exception … as you well know, egg,’

    Hmmmm……

  85. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 6:57 pm

    ‘Abbott is, nonetheless, closing in on victory with his more positive pitch and measured tone. When he launches his official campaign on Sunday, he will aim to seal the election by setting forth something that the country craves but has been left wanting – something approaching a vision.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/slowly-slowly-to-the-new-age-20130823-2sh72.html#ixzz2csK3UuFM

  86. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 7:03 pm

    A vision of what? Will it have wings?

  87. IPA permalink
    August 24, 2013 7:21 pm

    “Libs are ‘mean little people’: Keating”

    Oh, the irony.

  88. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 8:30 pm

    Keating was always a good judge.

  89. egg permalink
    August 24, 2013 8:41 pm

    Keating was a great wit.

    Root Cellar

    Nothing would sleep in that cellar, dank as a ditch,
    Bulbs broke out of boxes hunting for chinks in the dark,
    Shoots dangled and drooped,
    Lolling obscenely from mildewed crates,
    Hung down long yellow evil necks, like tropical snakes.
    And what a congress of stinks!—
    Roots ripe as old bait,
    Pulpy stems, rank, silo-rich,
    Leaf-mold, manure, lime, piled against slippery planks.
    Nothing would give up life:
    Even the dirt kept breathing a small breath.

    Theodore Roethke

  90. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 8:51 pm

    Roethke has painted with words. I can see the lot. And smell it. Some people are supernaturally gifted.

  91. Dianne permalink
    August 24, 2013 9:04 pm

    Oh well we will all be so hot soon we will live forever.

  92. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 25, 2013 12:07 am

    Excellent !

    Rupert you are brilliant !

    Cruise missiles into Syria plus More chemicals than you’d find at a very average Kings Cross primary school

    All to take our thoughts off an expensive PPL

    You are bruliliant Rupes .

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:09 am

    Sorry, had a work interruption, will continue now.

    She was a grown up person. Abbott and Rudd are anything but: spoiled, petulant, boring show-offs.

    You are right there dianne, those two are so full of their arrogant, vainglorious selves! gillard will be remembered for doing much more in office than those two ever will, and doing it with good grace, humour, humility and compassion, something those two would know little about.

    Gillard used her femininity when it suited her, and objected to her being treated differently on the basis of her sex.

    *BS, the sexism and the attacks started from day one of her taking the job, she took a gutful before she hit back, she should have objected to being treated differently on the basis of sex, she should have been given the same respect, dignity and as male politicians

    Her “young and naïve” excuse for having a fraudulent criminal hack boyfriend, who was also her client, was an excuse only available to a mid 30s woman. A male of similar age would have been justifiably ridiculed.

    Abbott has behaved criminally as a minister in govt [ ‘get pauline hanson’ slush fund] and as opposition leader [ashby/slipper, lawler/jackson], we won’t talk of the aggro, anti-feminist male warrior from his his student days. It is in his nature to operate with criminal intent to get a desired political outcome, it’s what he does.

    Her manner with the likes of Kerry O’Brien – “oh Kerry, how can you say that” **giggle** **bat eye lashes** **blush* and **giggle** again, was only available as a woman’s defence.

    She is a woman and some women do those things, not that I think gillard did, can’t say I ever saw any batting of eyes and use of womanly wiles, I have a good antenna for those. By contrast, Abbott’s phony ‘ordinary bloke/master of all working trades’ is the fake, but you can’t see past your own prejudices to recognise it .

    it was pretty obvious that some men just could not handle a woman being in charge. saw it as a huge threat to the male ego and perceived natural order of the system.

    Gillard dragged politicians reputations into new depths, ably supported by Swan.

    The politicians that allowed the attacks, designed and participated in them are the lowest of the low still. The opposition behaved like a pack of gangsters, thugs & molls.

    The PM was not even allowed the decency, the human compassion, to grieve over the death of her father, the attacks continued unabated, that was unforgivable.

  94. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 5:57 am

    I agree with much you have written here Armchair although I have never seen anything particularly wrong with so called feminine ‘wiles’. Actually despite having claimed that Margaret Thatcher batted her eyes, I was really only repeating the observation of a British MP, I have never seen it happen. You would look pretty silly. Try it. It makes you dizzy.

    I think ‘wiles’ must be a derogatory word for charm. Charm is not something we do very well out here. We are suspicious of it. We think people are on the take. No-one portrayed the Australian fear and abuse of charm better than Barry Humphries.

    By all accounts Julia Gillard was a very charming person. It is often said that it was a great pity that her warmth, humour and genuine kindness were not on public display. I suppose she should have performed for us: kissed more babies, pushed more wheelchairs, baked more cakes, knitted more kangaroos!

    I am doubtful that Gillard was not accepted because she was female although I am not at all certain of that. I am more certain that she was regarded with hostility by a large number of men and women because of the type of woman she is. She did not conform to the stereotype. She was deliberately childless and she was unmarried. Don’t tell me that both are unimportant. Why else do male politicians wheel out their wives, daughters and grand-children? The family portraits speak volumes about love, devotion, loyalty, stability, security etc etc. All Julia had was a dog and Tim and look how they went for him.

    So she was an easy target for all the muck thrown at her by Abbott and others and the constant stalking by that strange person who has been rewarded with the leadership. And I haven’t even mentioned the day-to-day challenges of being in minority government and a world in financial and political turmoil. I would like to see those two sooky baby leaders achieve what she did.

  95. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 8:16 am

    Interest free loans for apprentices. Do you reckon that is the ‘almost vision’ the country is craving Egg? There must be a healthy tradie vote out there. Remember Howard gave them all spanners etc.

  96. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 9:47 am

    Yes, its a good start.

  97. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 10:05 am

    Inscrutable Egg. Are you Chinese?

  98. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 10:07 am

    PS Its has an apostrophe. How did you get past the Predictive Text overlord which endows most words ending in ‘s’ with an apostrophe?

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2013 12:39 pm

    Don’t tell me that both are unimportant. Why else do male politicians wheel out their wives, daughters and grand-children? The family portraits speak volumes about love, devotion, loyalty, stability, security etc etc. All Julia had was a dog and Tim and look how they went for him.

    They are not important to me, I vote for a person and their policy, I see their family/partners as irrelevant and an extra cost on the public purse. Besides, all those family portraits etc are just fake, the pretence of being a ‘normal’ family when they are anything but, the pollies are hardly ever home and having affairs galore, the kids raised by virtually single parent partners . It’s all selling of an image that nowhere near reflects a reality. Gillard was pilloried because she did not conform to and would not fake the ‘image’ of mr and mrs traditional & boring from dullsville. Who fkn cares whether she is married or has a child? how does that change how her mind works or how she implements policy? I agree that her genuine warmth, humour and charm was not allowed to shine. All those who worked with her on her own side plus the indies/greens all had a high regard for her and her personal management style, it is obvious that the ‘big swinging dicks’ of a bullying male politico-corporate culture had to ‘destroy’ what they could not accept, a negotiatory/compromise management style rather than the usual threat, graft and corruption.

    I think men like tomM are not even aware of their own sexism, it is so ‘normalised’ in the culture. Everything that gillard did as a normal woman was seen as somehow ‘suspicious and not genuine’, which shows that women are still seen even at that level as ‘not to be trusted’ by men.
    Abbott is as fake as hell, yet the dullsvilles have been completely taken in by the man and his self declared, born again & yet again, vision of a good and ordinary bloke. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, marketed and focus grouped for the sheeple. For people who say the economy is so important, they seem to be giving abbott an amazing dream run by allowing him to get away with not presenting any budget figures to the people. It’s the economy stupid but we’re not going to tell you anything about our plans for it, it’s all a big secret, just have faith and trust us!

    gillard had to fight rudd, the almighty power of murdoch and abbott’s nasty dirt & propaganda machinery plus corporate power.
    rudd has to fight murdoch in collusion with abbott, corporate power and abbott’s daily stunts/propaganda machine.
    abbott just has to stand up straight, stick to the script and not show his true self, everyone else will protect him.

    I hope the voters are cleverer than abbott/murdoch have given them credit for, hope the election is not such a shoo-in as planned – go the hung parliament.

    BTW, Abbott still has a court case or two on the horizon hasn’t he? pro bono of course, he never ever has to suffer the consequences and accept responsibility for his own actions – someone else fixes everything for the golden boy born and primed to be the greatest.

  100. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 12:52 pm

    I hate all those family snaps too Armchair. When are they ever home anyway? I listened to a bit of Julie Bishop’s speech and she made me squirm. She was such a shrew. I read a tweet by Margo Kingston that she praised a person, I think a male person, for baring his bottom at an ALP candidate. Brought the house down apparently. Chris Pyne was puce with delight I believe. High standards. What would Menzies have thought? Did you hear any references to the removal of underpants at the launch. Well not at the launch itself but you never know do you. We live in troubled times.

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:06 pm

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:08 pm

    lib campaign launch:

  103. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:11 pm

    tweeter chat room

    guffaw

  104. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:22 pm

    Funny Armchair. Terrifying though. Koori Woman pinged it. Wish I could do links. Re the Ben Pobjie tweet about The Lord, Margo Kingston said a Daily Tele writer Andrew Carswell compared TA to Jesus. What is going on? Should I prepare the panic room?

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:24 pm

    I think so dianne, get ready…

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:27 pm

    Politicians of calibre:

    Peter Van Onselen: Some political candidates are too dopey by half

  107. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 1:45 pm

    Hysterical laughter ensued …..

    It is truly amazing that a person who, only yesterday, accused Gillard of lowering the tone, fronted a political launch which involved his deputy savagely trashing the character of his opponent. It seems too, from reports on twitter that Bishop made ref to a political mooning. Laughter in the house.

    P van O is correct about some of the lib candidates but I would include the leader. Btw Armchair TA wheeled out two of the girls who made a our-dad-is-lovely speech. Families are important in politics.

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2013 2:32 pm

    ‘men like tomM…’

    Heavens! There aren’t many like me.

    All I expect is that the same standards will apply to both men and women. Gillard was selective in her objections about gender. She used the advantages as much as possible.
    =====
    Abbott though is quite dull, and unsuited to represent the country.

  109. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 2:45 pm

    Oh Tom. What can I say! I am glad you expect the same standards to apply equally to men and women. Take it from me they do not. What advantages did JG ever have because she was a woman? I can’t think of any. Her advantages were excellent parents who encouraged her. She is streets ahead of Abbott in intelligence, verve, wit and creativity. She has a keen common sense and a no nonsense approach to life. She is personable, warm and does not place herself on centre stage. She is a fully functioning adult. She is leaving politics with the best make-over I have ever seen. She looks great. Abbott on the other hand has employed poor stylists. I am voting for her in Red Texture.

  110. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 4:43 pm

    ‘Abbott though is quite dull, and unsuited to represent the country.’

    Sad but true, I blame Godwin Gretch for everything.

  111. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 4:47 pm

    In other nooze, NZ PM’s daughter caught in evocative attire.

    UK Mail

  112. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 5:32 pm

    And just to get up TB’s nose, they have changed the emphasis again because of the temperature hiatus.

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2013 6:11 pm

    No doubt Abbott’s daughters are very pleasant, but having your children prop up your political campaign is not a good look.
    ============
    Dianne, no male would ever have got away with a “young & naïve” excuse for hanging out with criminals and showing very poor professional judgement, but Gillard used this to excuse her behaviour as a mid 30s law partner!

  114. August 25, 2013 6:20 pm

    “Everything that gillard did as a normal woman was seen as somehow ‘suspicious and not genuine’, which shows that women are still seen even at that level as ‘not to be trusted’ by men.”

    A lot of women don’t trust other women too.

    I’ve worked with a number of women in a business environment and more often than not they have proven to be much more difficult to work with than men.

    When it comes to business decision making most men will judge business opportunities on their merit and look at the business benefits and the bottom line.

    Women on the other hand tend to take things much more personally than men. If they dont get their way when it comes to a business decision, they (often) take it as some sort of indication that they have failed to assert themselves. They play more political games than men and reward those who support them, and carry out retribution against those who don’t. Just look at the way Gillard rewarded the likes of Arbib, Howes and Shorten with plum positions when she knifed Rudd.

    I dont really consider myself a sexist person, but just based on my own real life experience in the corporate world, men are just easier to work with than women.

    It’s a gross generalisation I know, but a fairly factual one based in exoerience.

    I’ve seen women throw tantrums in the office, yelling at subordinates and even bursting into tears and storming out of boardrooms. Men on the other hand just tend to get impatient when things dont go to plan.

  115. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 6:39 pm

    Reb nothing you have said here surprises me. You men have no idea how far women accommodate you every day. If a few have thrown a tantrum they have been pushed too far. Let’s face it lads. Women are far more complex and interesting than you are only you don’t realize it because we are too kind to tell you.

    And Tom you keep banging on about that union matter. All that stuff has been pored over and regurgitated by News Ltd for political reasons. Show me the proof. They hint and insinuate and devise misleading headlines. Nuffing of any substance. Fairfax is doing the same thing to James Hird at the moment. I look upon these pursuits with absolute loathing.

  116. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 6:42 pm

    And furthermore Reb some men get so impatient that they throw punches. Yes even in the workplace and certainly in the sanctity of the family home.

  117. August 25, 2013 6:47 pm

    One woman I worked for, for a very brief period of time, would arrive at work at 9:00am lock herself in her office for the whole day, every day. She would then make decisions that impacted others without consulting them or involving her team. I guess she thought she was protecting her turf and position, but inevitably pretty much everyone in her team(including me) just resigned. Women in an office environment always seem to have some chip on their shoulder. And often it’s all in their own mind.

  118. August 25, 2013 6:49 pm

    “And furthermore Reb some men get so impatient that they throw punches. Yes even in the workplace and certainly in the sanctity of the family home.”

    Gee, you’re starting to sound a lot like Catching Up … 😯

  119. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 6:59 pm

    Its true that women are more complex than men, not sure why dog did that.

  120. August 25, 2013 7:03 pm

    Probably to prepare them for motherhood egg.

  121. Dianne permalink
    August 25, 2013 7:29 pm

    I can’t hear you Reb. I am in the office.

  122. egg permalink
    August 25, 2013 8:38 pm

    Women are clearly designed for motherhood, as observed by looking at lifestyle programs on TV.

    Women are as keen as mustard to see cooking shows and ‘nesting’ stuff, home buying, building and decorating.

    Real men (which I’m not) like big, fast toys and fierce excitement. Fight or flight and sports galore.

  123. August 25, 2013 8:57 pm

    Geeeeez…

    I really don’t want to get involved…but my own personal experiences tend to mirror Reb’s very closely. Such things, in turn, breed resentment.

    Perhaps it was just the individuals involved?

    I’ve made a point to bring up my daughter as a ‘person’…rather than an atypical female which seems to be expected by society. She has some great, ‘powerful’ female role models around her.
    Gender should be negligible.

    There are plenty of males out there with enough nouse not to bring gender into a professional environment.

  124. August 25, 2013 9:03 pm

    I think we are all just people.

    It fucks me off that society raises us as ‘women’ v ‘men’. It’s a nonsense…apart from the obvious biological differences & the undeniable cyclical parabola.

    I know plenty of either sex who are worth their merit…& their sex has fuck all to do with it.

    Also, Australia is a far better place to be female than the middle east etc….not that that in any way diminishes Oz sexist arsewipes…who are quite likely to be socially conservative.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2013 12:39 am

    And just to get up TB’s nose, they have changed the emphasis again because of the temperature hiatus.

    not only TB —> go to your room and stay there!

    It fucks me off that society raises us as ‘women’ v ‘men’. It’s a nonsense…apart from the obvious biological differences & the undeniable cyclical parabola.

    We are the only ones who can change things, it is in the parenting, stop raising girls to always play with dolls, teasets, make-up & pink things, telling them they are weak and need protecting by boys. Stop giving boys guns and war toys and telling them they are sissies if they want to play with a doll or better still don’t buy gendered toys, get educational stuff or let them choose what they want to play with. The gendered language and behaviours in society start at home. Where does the rape culture come from?

  126. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 6:34 am

    ‘not only TB —> go to your room and stay there!’

    Fuck off.

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2013 8:23 am

    “not only TB —> go to your room and stay there!’

    Fuck off.

    pretty much the same contempt that you show for us all when you ignore and abuse the goodwill of commenters here. You’ve got your place to make your posts on CC and everybody knows where to find you if they wish to discuss anything in regard to that. Yet you continually ignore the rules that you agreed to and derail every single thread with your denier crap. It is not cute, funny or even eccentric, just tedious and tiresome. You fuck off.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2013 8:49 am

    I can’t hear you Reb. I am in the office.

    Very funny!

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2013 9:04 am

    I’ve seen women throw tantrums in the office, yelling at subordinates and even bursting into tears and storming out of boardrooms. Men on the other hand just tend to get impatient when things dont go to plan.

    That doesn’t quite seem to be my experience of male behaviour, men never shout, swear, bang their fists on tables, yell or threaten others, act aggressively? Always cool, calm and rational under pressure, always appropriate in behaviour to women?

    Women get teary when emotional, tears of frustration, anger, joy. It doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with their thinking and ability. Men don’t, they express themselves differently, why can’t either behaviour be acceptable and normal rather than the woman seen as unstable or lacking somehow just because it’s not the way a man would behave and is most comfortable with?

    dianne
    Agree that family is important in the campaigns, increasingly more so as our politics resembles US presidential politics. It’s just not important to me, the partner and kids being highlighted and ‘sold’ as if they are celebrities as is happening with abbott’s daughters [BTW, what a nice gift from daddy – a PPL befitting of the socialites-soon-to-breed]

    re yesterday’s subject of gillard, did you see this on guardian?

    Julia Gillard will not attend Labor launch, says Rudd:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/25/julia-gillard-not-labor-launch

    nice to see comments allowed [unlike murdoch’s opinion pieces]:

    …Shame on Australians for not recognising Julia Gillards excellence.
    I miss her brains, humour, warmth and strength of character. What a superb first female PM for Australia.
    Outsiders are shaking their heads wondering how such a modern, could-be country are actually backward-thinking and unsophisticated.
    Abbott and Rudd are E-grade next to Julia Gillard. History will tell…

    …JaneThomas
    25 August 2013 8:08am
    One of the best things about a Julia Gillard campaign would have been that she would not have been using her kids to show what sort of person she is.
    It is excruciating watching these embarrassing public displays of private relationships. Only a simpleton would be fooled by the spin that Kev and Tony are going to be some sort of father/brother/son to all of us, when we already know the ruthless, power-hungry men they are…

    …Lil_Andy
    25 August 2013 7:50am
    Her father would be proud of her.
    Rob Oakeshott, 2013
    Julia Gillard has done enough for this country…

  130. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 9:18 am

    Miglo is contemplating banning some of the right wing trolls at the cafe.

    You’re a scumbag Taylor.

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 26, 2013 9:27 am

    No expense spared by the deep pockets of industry when they want to buy an election win for their puppet:

    The Coalition’s Twitter madness:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/the-coalitions-twitter-madness/

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 10:23 am

    Chuckle from the sidelines.

    Toillette/sreb, (not unusually) reflect my own opinion on the sex wars … in business …

    … I did once knock back a $17,000 contract (I had won) because of the female “I’m running the show’s” autocratic behaviour towards the company’s supervisors … and me …

    But then I have difficulty tolerating fools of any sexual persuasion … 😉

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 10:33 am

    [BTW, what a nice gift from daddy – a PPL befitting of the socialites-soon-to-breed]

    And as I watch the interest rates plummet … I pay for other people’s mortgages … now it seems I will be paying for other people to have children (dividend franking removal on super) as a part self funded retiree … and remember that I paid higher taxes for my pension privilege (1963 – 1991) … no corporate super for me – all my own work – I went into business in 1992 …

    Thank you, Mr Abbott … and Ms Gillard … and Mr Rudd …

    When will someone come up with a workable retirement fund that gives consistent good returns 6%-7% … instead of throwing retirees to the vagaries of the market or bonds (and inept financial advisor/managers)… surely there will be enough baby boomer $$$ to allow a wide investment choices for the fund that is capable of weathering the inevitable downturns …

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 10:34 am

    I should have included Mr Howard in the last post …

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 10:41 am

    From KL’s link …

    After making these findings over a period of a week or two, I decided it would be a good idea to audit the Twitter followers on the Coalition’s Twitter accounts. This would give me an idea about how many of their followers were real, inactive and actual people who use Twitter regularly.

    I wasn’t too surprised with the results. It’s sort of what I expected from the Liberals. The official Twitter account of the Liberal Party had 33,000 followers at the time of my audit. I used multiple websites to do checks and then worked out the average numbers from those findings.

    I am able to report that this account only has a 55% genuine following.

    This means that more than 45% of their followers are inactive, or are not real at all. They’re most likely robots, or fake Twitter accounts created by computer. I then moved on to auditing the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s account.

    A scan of Abbott’s 203,000 followers revealed that 95% of his followers were fake, 4% active and just 1% genuine. This is clearly much worse than the following of the Liberal Party’s account. These results are clearly much worse than anyone could have expected.

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2013 10:58 am

    I’ve worked for women on several occasions. I even reported to a female union secretary for a couple of years.

    Female union officials aren’t as grumpy or unreasonable or uncompromising as male ones, in my experience.

    The women seemed more transparent, the male ones always had multiple agendas.

  137. August 26, 2013 12:13 pm

    “Women get teary when emotional, tears of frustration, anger, joy. It doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with their thinking and ability. ”

    Good point.

    “why can’t either behaviour be acceptable and normal rather than the woman seen as unstable or lacking somehow just because it’s not the way a man would behave and is most comfortable with?”

    Also a good point. But I guess when this particular incident occured – when a female manager threw a hissy fit in the boardroom because a certain decision didn’t go the way she wanted it to, and then she just burst into tears and stormed out, it just made her look unstable and unhinged and reflected poorly overall on her competency as a manager. In most modern workplaces, specifically office environments I guess, most people are expected to behave in certain ways. Having a tantrum isn’t one of them.

  138. Walrus on the Deathstar (12 Days Until Touchdown and "They're Baaaaaaaaaaaaack) permalink
    August 26, 2013 12:15 pm

    ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY ARSE OFF

    Taylor and Min got married. How hilarious !

    Apparently Taylor gave a speech full of the feelings of devotion.

    I suppose he would have sourced it from his first wedding album

    ROFLMAO

    Oooooooooops laughing so much I need a mop

  139. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 12:58 pm

    Mobius shed a tear at the sight of Min in the chapel.

  140. Walrus on the Deathstar (12 Days Until Touchdown and "They're Baaaaaaaaaaaaack) permalink
    August 26, 2013 1:05 pm

    “Mobius shed a tear at the sight of Min in the chapel.”

    LOL

    Yes Egg……………………….it’s all so gooooooooooooooey over there.

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2013 1:30 pm

    Well, I’m an old fashioned romantic when it comes to matters of the heart. So I say – that’s nice and good luck.

  142. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 26, 2013 2:27 pm

    All those atheists in a chapel……Jesus wept…..

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 3:05 pm

    All those atheists in a chapel……Jesus wept…..

    You would be surprised at how many there in “chapels” around the country – just playing the game – or not …

    In fact I believe JC would weep at what organised religion has done to His memory … the meek shall inherit the Earth … my arse … not too many meek godbotherers around, most are just cocky shites who think they are better than anyone else ’cause THEY BELIEVE!

  144. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 3:15 pm

    I have no faith in marriage, half end in divorce.

  145. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 26, 2013 3:40 pm

    “All those atheists in a chapel……”

    Very good point James

    Someone called Hypocrisy probably witnessed their signatures

  146. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 26, 2013 3:42 pm

    “….now it seems I will be paying for other people to have children (dividend franking removal on super) ”

    I thought you were in Cash anyway ?

    Besides the change is fairly miniscule

  147. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 26, 2013 3:44 pm

    Will the Daily Trash bid for the Wedding Photos ?

    Will the Daily Trash publish the wedding photos ?

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:00 pm

    I thought you were in Cash anyway ?

    Nup … did well in FI for a couple of years until some wanker decided to print money and dilute the value of world currencies … just made a shift into some market exposure – there seems to be some signs of movement in th right direction …

    Besides the change is fairly miniscule … even so its true …

    … and our Premiere Noddy “I’ll Never Lie” Newman, has not exactly set a good precedence for confidence in Abbott … his soul-mate … apparently …

  149. August 26, 2013 4:19 pm

    Diddums.

    jesus tragics think atheists shouldn’t be allowed in chapels? 🙄

    god promoters are so fickle.

  150. Walrus on his Deathstar permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:22 pm

    “jesus tragics think atheists shouldn’t be allowed in chapels”

    jesus tragics think hypocritical atheists shouldn’t be allowed to get married in chapels

    Fixed

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:32 pm

    BTW who said it was a “religious” chapel … celebrants sometimes have their own “chapel” … we are talking the nations Capital …

    And quite frankly who gives a shit? (Except, James …)

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:34 pm

    Noice to see you out “fixing” things, Wally … especially things that don’t really need to be fixed … I suppose it come with the CPA* thing … ya know doin’ things that really don’t need doin’ … but lookin’ busy and chargin’ like a wounded dinosaur .. 😆

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:39 pm

    Strewth! This’ll have, egg, flip-flopping back to Kevin Kumbak, at the speed of a —— whoosh!! —— HST!

    A re-elected Labor government would secure 1,750km of rail corridor for a high-speed rail network from Brisbane to Melbourne, via Sydney and Canberra, and has pledged an initial $52 million for the planning stage of the project.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/8/26/election/rudd-secure-high-speed-rail-route?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=398299&utm_campaign=pm&modapt=

  154. August 26, 2013 4:49 pm

    A chapel is just a building. Same as a toilet block or a bowling alley.

    Only the truly deluded actually believe that a surveiling magical being dwells therein.

    If two people want to get married, good for them. It’s only the religious who get their noses bent out of joint about the wheres, hows & who’s of it all.

  155. August 26, 2013 4:52 pm

    Funny how the internet has brought people together…and driven them apart.

    Created ‘soulmates’…and bitter enemies.

  156. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:52 pm

    Fast rail is old hat and expensive, typical kevcumback stuff.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:56 pm

    … just made a shift into some market exposure … </I.

    FMD! Ya can't win, can ya, I now read that the US, UK and France want to test fire some missiles at Syria … which will get Iran all hot and bothered … then Russia … and then the fat boy on the block, ol’ China …

    That’ll really inspire the markets … 🙄

  158. Walrus on the Balcony of His Home at Teabag Heights on the Death Star permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:57 pm

    “If two people want to get married, good for them.”

    So why not choose a bowling alley or the Food Court of the local Westfield ?

    Mind you a toilet block would have been handy for those needing to throw up over the words of “devotion”

    Did they accidentally find themselves inside a chapel ?

  159. Walrus on the Balcony of His Home at Teabag Heights on the Death Star permalink
    August 26, 2013 4:58 pm

    “That’ll really inspire the markets …”

    Up goes the Oil price and Gold heads North as well

    Go Woodside………………….Go Santos

    Go Newcrest Go

  160. Walrus on the Balcony of His Home at Teabag Heights on the Death Star permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:04 pm

    “A re-elected Labor government would secure 1,750km of rail corridor for a high-speed rail network….”

    Bullshit !

    It’ll never happen. The political momentum is shifting fast in favour of a second Sydney Airport at Badgerys Creek even though Macquarie Bank, Alan Jones , Barry O’Farrell and Max Moore Wilton are screaming in protest.

    They will not win this fight as people are sick of the fucking price hiking monopoly and the sheer traffic volumes around the airport at peak flight times.

  161. reb of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:07 pm

    “So I say – that’s nice and good luck.”

    I agree. Good luck to them both. Judging by Taylor’s past form Min’s going to need it.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:11 pm

    Fast rail is old hat and expensive, typical kevcumback stuff.

    Shakes head …

    Toilette … very philosophical this evening?

    Finally watched Episodes 8 9 & 10 last night … saved it and been anticipating – not as “ugh” as I thought – having read the book 🙄 … but The Minister, was very “angry” this morning … “but I like Rob and his Mum!”

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:18 pm

    You look like your on holidays, sreb.

    On Mars …

    Have you noticed how “shrill”, Wakky, oops Wally, has just become?

    Is there a new poll out somewhere with the ALP infront?

  164. IPA permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:18 pm

    “I now read that the US, UK and France want to test fire some missiles at Syria”

    What was the headline?: Nobel Peace Prize winner prepares to unleash love bombs.

  165. Walrus on the Balcony of His Home at Teabag Heights on the Death Star permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:23 pm

    “Is there a new poll out somewhere with the ALP infront?”

    LOL

    Only when YOU shut your eyes and Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tonight will that come true for ya.

    When you wakey wakey tomorrow morning you will have moved a day closer to the Deathstar Touchdown.

  166. Walrus on the Balcony of His Home at Teabag Heights on the Death Star permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:28 pm

    “Judging by Taylor’s past form Min’s going to need it.”

    But Min will now be in charge of the life support switch

    Yikes !

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:40 pm

    Only when YOU shut your eyes and Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tonight will that come true for ya.</I.

    I certainly don't dream about that shite … the sky won't fall in if either of the twats turn up trumps … the nation will continue in spite of their tripe not because of it!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My head shakin' was aimed at you, egg and all your soft boiled flip flopping … you were a big advocate of HST last week … now?

    BTW, I put up the hyperloop during the last discussion on HST's … do keep up …

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:42 pm

    “I now read that the US, UK and France want to test fire some missiles at Syria”

    While I thoroughly agree with your sentiment … please quote me correctly … you destroyed my irony … I wrote test fire at Syria …

  169. IPA permalink
    August 26, 2013 5:51 pm

    British types will gather at Media Watch tonight to discuss this election’s real issue: MURDOCH!

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 6:10 pm

    I see that, Abbott, is now using the word MANDATE more and more … beware politicians using the word MANDATE … Abbott, would have no MANDATE from the Australian electorate … he would simply win office …

    Maybe KL, is right, let’s see how Abbott & The Acolytes deal with a minority government …

  171. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 6:13 pm

    ‘… do keep up …’

    I’ll do my best, anyway hyperloop is the future… high speed rail is too slow and expensive.
    Even Wally agrees with me on that.

  172. egg permalink
    August 26, 2013 6:28 pm

    “It’s important to put all this in the context of priorities,” he said. “If we were to build this entire 1750 km high speed rail project from Brisbane to Melbourne by 2035, it would cost less than Mr Abbott’s unaffordable, unfair paid parental leave scheme for the same period of time. Put that into context.”

    Kevin Rudd in the Oz

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2013 6:56 pm

    Kevin Rudd in the Oz

    2035 … what fkn stupid, stupid man …

  174. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 26, 2013 10:29 pm

    “… it would cost less than Mr Abbott’s unaffordable, unfair paid parental leave scheme for the same period of time. Put that into context.”

    What an idiot you are Kevin.

    What’s your context you total fucking moron

  175. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 6:38 am

    In defence of Kevette, infrastructure of this kind needs a long lead time.

    By comparison Tony only has to say we are going to build a hyperloop around Oz and the guvmint will spend a couple of million to organise a free enterprise consortium.

    It may never eventuate, but that doesn’t matter, its the idea that counts.

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 27, 2013 7:36 am

    tom watson on Q&A was a breath of fresh air to our stinking tea bag inspired politics. The english parliamentarians can remain civil to each other even though they have opposing policies, they even answer questions and perform real inquiries that benefit the public.
    Our teabag imported politics has done nothing but drag reputations and the parliament into the gutter, people loathe them all and there is no progress. How I long for some intelligent debate and informed views, instead we get kelly dwyer type scripted attacks that just turn people off.

    Rupert would like to put out a contract for a hit on tom watson and his team, I feel sure that there are plenty of liberal connections to people who could manage that quite well, perhaps abbott, brandis, the qld libs and the AFP are organising it as we speak!

  177. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 8:11 am

    teabag b/s

  178. IPA permalink
    August 27, 2013 9:20 am

    If history is any guide, and it is, VFT will never happen …

    Australian Very Fast Trains – A Chronology

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 10:01 am

    So just how accurate ARE Galaxy Polls … LOL!

    If this is anything to go by not very …

    Galaxy Research managing director David Briggs said people were chosen at random and selected through databases, with the event not mentioned until their suitability was assessed.

    “We are completely reliant on the honesty of our respondents,” he said.

    “We believe it is as rigorous as it can be.”

    Queensland Labor said it had nothing to do with the selection process.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/labor-voter-sneaks-in-from-the-left/story-fnho52ip-1226704636220

    Those naughty young Labor people … News Ltd is all in a lather! LOL!

  180. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 10:02 am

    Yeah, the VFT is history.

    Hyperloophyperloophyperloop…………very, very fast travel.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 10:04 am

    … perhaps abbott, brandis, the qld libs and the AFP are organising it as we speak!

    You forgot the Northern Hitman, KL, Brough!

  182. Meta permalink
    August 27, 2013 10:38 am

    (Erm, the VST is history?)

  183. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 10:54 am

    Think science fiction, soon to become reality.

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2013/08/26/no-lack-of-enthusiasm-for-idea-of-hyperloop.html

    To grow Australia to 40 million by mid century we need the hyperloop … space age travel on earth.

  184. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 27, 2013 11:07 am

    Why are we talking about Trains………….?

    First we had………. “Stop the Boats”……………………………………..then we had…………. “Buy the Boats”……………………now Kev wants to …………….”Move the Boats”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/garden-island-naval-base-faces-closure-under-kevin-rudd-20130826-2smcd.html

    Kev seems to have very strange ideas on how to win votes in Sydney

  185. Meta permalink
    August 27, 2013 11:19 am

    (“Think science fiction, soon to become reality.”)

  186. Meta permalink
    August 27, 2013 11:23 am

    (soon*)

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 11:26 am

    To grow Australia to 40 million by mid century we need the hyperloop … space age travel on earth.

    And therefore lots of boat people … 🙄 how ironic …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kev seems to have very strange ideas on how to win votes in Sydney

    While, Tones, just keeps proving his Misogynist Title … to ALL Australia …

  188. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 11:37 am

    Fascinating history, Meta.

  189. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 11:55 am

    ‘Now Rudd Mark II has doubled down on fiscal lunacy, by seizing on the idea of spending at least three times that – officially $114 billion, but in the same inevitable NBN-blowout way, probably going on who knows what: $154 billion? $214 billion? – on an even more irrational, more irresponsible, high-speed rail line between Melbourne and Brisbane…’

    Terry McCrann

  190. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 1:21 pm

    A couple of Kenyans time share a wife.

    Daily Terror

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2013 1:35 pm

    The Libs ‘buy the boats’ program would have to be the greatest waste of money in history.

    It’s more wasteful than pink batts or mini amphitheatres, but fortunately smaller in scale.

    Is buying boats typical of their approach to spending money?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 1:53 pm

    Is buying boats typical of their approach to spending money?

    Must be, ToM, they’re the only ones capable of operating the economy … apparently 🙄

  193. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 2:32 pm

    What if they just bought old boats at a reasonable price?

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2013 2:51 pm

    The incoming government is creating a new market for old boats. This just causes a price increase.

    The people smugglers will simply charge 120 asylum seekers an extra $2k each, to cover the increased price of a boat.

    It is the most stupid policy I can recall.

    ARE THEY SERIOUS?

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 3:26 pm

    Funny I was just reading this and thought … do people really believe this shite … or are we all being conned that others do …

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/turnbull-defends-boat-buyback-plan/story-e6frfku9-1226704848016

    I mean anyone with half a brain could see how stupid this is!

    Then add to the pot the PPL “policy” where the nation pays for rich folk to stop being so “professional” and have a baby and then go to work … are the babies of these people so fkn brillant they go to school in seven months?

    WHAT HAPPENS TO BABIES IN SIX MONTHS?

    Now we add a $$$$$ (2,500 for one year in a job and then 4,000 for two years bonus) to long term employed … isn’t that discrimination against the ones who find a job in ten months and stick with it? What if their employer fires them before the deadlines?

    And the old Work For The Dole is back … WORKCHOICES anyone?

  196. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 3:42 pm

    It would be cheaper all round if we brought in the 20,000 wannabe Australians and plonked them in the middle of this big sandy island with five star accom….

    WELCOME ALL WHO ENTER HERE

  197. Walrus Uttering Great Wisdom from TeaBag Heights on the Deathstar permalink
    August 27, 2013 3:43 pm

    “….Then add to the pot the PPL “policy” where the nation pays for rich folk to stop being so “professional” and have a baby and then go to work … ”

    I dont like the PPL policy either but it just goes to show how ridiculous the public service has become when the Coalition’s PPL is apparently quite close to the ABC’s own PPL model and they are howling like Banshees about the LNP policy.

    Talk about hypocrits……….but we already knew that

    I wonder what the other PPLs in other areas of the Public Service are like ?

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 3:47 pm

    But wait there’s more!

    Mr Abbott dismissed the concerns from Indonesia.

    “Just because one member of the Indonesian legislature was prevailed upon to say something mildly critical doesn’t mean that anyone serious in the Indonesian government has any issues with it,” Mr Abbott told reporters on the NSW Central Coast.

    “The previous coalition government worked very constructively and productively with Indonesian officials.”

    Mahfudz Siddiq, the head of Indonesia’s parliamentary commission for foreign affairs, said on Monday that it was Mr Abbott’s right to suggest the policy, but warned it had broader implications for the relationship between Jakarta and Australia.

    “This is really a crazy idea, unfriendly, derogatory and it shows lack of understanding in this matter,” Mr Siddiq told AAP.

    1. Mahfudz Siddiq, the head of Indonesia’s parliamentary commission for foreign affairs … IS NOT … one member of the Indonesian legislature … He is an IMPORTANT member …

    2. Mahfudz Siddiq, did not say something mildly critical … he said something very serious … “This is really a crazy idea, unfriendly, derogatory and it shows lack of understanding in this matter,”

    3. While the Howard government did work WITH the Indonesian government it was primarily to steal a big slice of the East Timor gas reserves for Australia … and the dialogue with Indonesia was initially set up by Paul Keating … Abbott’s superior than thou approach didn’t work for the missionaries in the 1930’s (that’s why it’s the largest Muslim state in the world) and it certainly won’t work now!

    “… something mildly critical doesn’t mean that anyone serious in the Indonesian government has any issues with it,” Mr Abbott told reporters” …

    MILDLY critical? Anyone SERIOUS? The Indonesian has NO ISSUES?

    What an ignorant, arrogant, Fuckwitted© Dickwit™®, Tony Abbott really is!

  199. Walrus Uttering Great Wisdom from TeaBag Heights on the Deathstar permalink
    August 27, 2013 3:49 pm

    What can one say to this ?????????????????

    http://media.smh.com.au/national/selections/julian-assange-impersonates-john-farnham-4694260.html

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2013 4:10 pm

    Julian Assange is Nasking?!
    ========
    When political populism intersects with foreign policy, watch out!

    That’s where Abbott is, and dismissing the concerns of senior MP of our nearest neighbour is typically dumb adventurism.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 4:20 pm

    … is typically dumb adventurism.

    Imagine three years of these gaffes! And some people want to extend the parliamentary term! We may as well make it three weeks!

  202. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 4:55 pm

    Abbott is a cowboy and Talcum is silly. Its policy on the run by the incoming government.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 5:09 pm

    😯

    But that’s OK?

  204. Walrus Uttering Great Wisdom from TeaBag Heights on the Deathstar permalink
    August 27, 2013 5:17 pm

    “But that’s OK?”

    Well……….scribbling out an NBN policy and costing on the back of an envelope in a VIP Jet one afternoon apparently was OK

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 5:20 pm

    re: NBN … and the Libs policy is? What?

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 5:30 pm

    More welfare for the rich …

    Meanwhile, Labor also attacked Mr Abbott’s promise to scrap means testing of the 30 per cent private health insurance rebate, saying it would put a hole in the budget.

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/rudd-draws-foreign-policy-into-election/story-e6frfku9-1226704816893

    Oh, and if you read the link NSW are upset because Rudd has suggested that they may shift the RAN base to Brisbane … quite frankly I wouldn’t want it here BUT if you look at a map of Australia you’ll see where Brisbane sits and where Sydney is … Brisbane is actually a more strategic place to have a major RAN base …

    And WTF does Barry O’Farrell think he is, anyway?

    Wonder if Noddy “I’ll Never Lie”** Newman & The Neanderthals will welcome the proposal?

    **

    In June, the State Government ditched a plan to offer households a rebate to ease the pain of soaring power costs but vowed to do all it could to tackle the issue.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2013 6:32 pm

    Now you know where the silly HST ideas are coming from …

    http://uk.reuters.com/news/uk

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2013 7:54 pm

    …and Abbott’s policy on poker machines is a disgrace too!

  209. egg permalink
    August 27, 2013 8:47 pm

    ‘But that’s OK?’

    I blame the polling for giving the scallywag the impression that its a fait accompli …. Abbott is PM in waiting.

  210. public toilet permalink
    August 27, 2013 9:03 pm

    Roflmao@ Hird!

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2013 9:53 pm

    Essendon should have been expelled from the AFL, players distributed to other clubs, assets disposed, flags wiped from history.

  212. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 27, 2013 10:53 pm

    “So just how accurate ARE Galaxy Polls … LOL”

    Clive Palmer on Lateline agrees

    You and Clive are as one on this critical issue

    Excellent TB

    Proof

    You are a Nutcase !

    😉

  213. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:28 am

    I’ll do a scaper….

    The shadow Ag Minister stayed at my place the other night and enjoyed it so much that he’s returning on Friday with his wife and secretary.

    He’s a country lad and three star accommodation suits him fine.

  214. Walrus from TeaBag's Nest on the Mega Gigantic Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 8:43 am

    Name dropper !

  215. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 8:55 am

    Yeah, its a disgrace, but at least I’m not a nasty piece of work.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2013 9:34 am

    Gee, you don’t need much proof, Wally … if ya reckon I’m a nutcase on that, WTF are you, with some most of your posts?

    I confess did giggle a lot at Clivey last night … he has a very strange grasp of economics and financial management (a little knowledge is dangerous, methinks …)

    Someone has tried to explain the “Multiplyer Effect” to him … poorly …

    Just goes to show … a lot of money doesn’t make you smarter (but you already know that, hey .. 😉 )

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Has the rockshifter been shifted on, or is he still posting at CW?

  217. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 9:51 am

    “Gee, you don’t need much proof”

    LOL

    I have plenty of proof

    You are a Queenslander as well

    That’s plenty

  218. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:28 am

    unfknbelievable

  219. August 28, 2013 10:38 am

    I think the rockshifter has been banned at teh cafe…

  220. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:39 am

    Believe in Clive at your own risk

  221. August 28, 2013 10:55 am

    I wonder where the dense, agro prick will go now to get his fix of self promotion & semi-literate antagonism?

    He’s probably reading this, so one last…Fuck You, dirtman, you chest beating gardener, trapped in your own ridiculous fantasy world. The only person you ever convinced is your stupid self. Threatening people who mock you for your inflated self image on the internet is truly the behaviour of an angry pre-adolescent. Your legacy is a history of commenting which illustrates you as a witless, imbalanced attention craver.

  222. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:57 am

    LOL

    Feel better now ?????????????????

  223. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:58 am

    And we are off to Rooty Hill RSL tonight for another action packed Peoples Forum

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn !

  224. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 11:00 am

    Can someone tell me how Hird gets his hair to go like that ?

  225. August 28, 2013 11:01 am

    I think I’ve laboured made my point. 😉

  226. August 28, 2013 11:03 am

    “Can someone tell me how Hird gets his hair to go like that ?”

    Yesterday, it would have been sickly cheating, giving his hair volume…today it is probably crocodile tears.

  227. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 11:07 am

    You people and your worship of AFL is very very very strange to us north of the Murray

  228. August 28, 2013 11:08 am

    No reason to trudge through the mundane partisan commentary at Cafe Rohypnol any more. They put their pet down, apparently.

  229. August 28, 2013 11:09 am

    Worship is not something I indulge, in any sphere.

  230. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 11:23 am

    ‘I think the rockshifter has been banned at teh cafe…’

    It was only a matter of time, Migs just kept him on to get up our noses.

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 11:35 am

    Banned!!

    Goodness, I though they only banned intelligent people

  232. IPA permalink
    August 28, 2013 11:42 am

    “NOBEL PEACE PRIZE UPDATE: Obama Seeks a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ on Syria. Hmm. Seeking a coalition of the willing to take down an Arab Ba’athist dictator over WMDs. Where have I heard this before?”

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2013 12:01 pm

    Alan Kohler – Business Spectator … (Item 4. is very, very true … even here the retail banks are making obscene profits under the circumstances …

    Syria strikes the markets

    Beyond that, with stretched valuations investors are likely to focus on the broader negatives, which is why a column by Pimco’s Mohamed El-Erian this morning discussing the coming fifth anniversary of the Lehman Brothers collapse is getting some attention.

    El-Erian identifies four concerns:

    1. Western economies are still having trouble generating economic growth. “Five years after the global financial crisis, too many countries are being held back by exhausted and out-dated growth engines.”

    2. There is a “large and persistent imbalance between the hyperactivity of central banks and the frustrating passivity of other policymakers.”

    3. Developing countries have “slipped into an unbalanced policy mix that now threatens their continued growth and financial stability.”

    4. Those who caused the crisis in the first place – the banks – have not been forced to change their ways. “Given their systemic importance, many (banks) were bailed out and, with continued official support, returned to profitability quite quickly. Yet they were not subject to windfall profit taxation, nor have policymakers sufficiently altered structural incentives that encourage excessive risk-taking. In the case of Europe, only now are banks being pushed to deal decisively with their capital shortfalls, leverage problems, and residual weak assets.”

    And, he might have added, tensions in the Middle East have not subsided.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/28/markets/syria-strikes-markets?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=400656&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2013 12:02 pm

    Goodness, I though they only banned intelligent people

    Oi! 😈

  235. Walrus Sitting On His Balcony Watching the Whales Go By On His Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 12:02 pm

    LOL

    The ALP must be worried about losing the seat of Griffith in Brisbane. Kevin is there today campaigning for the current member whoever that might be……………..LOL

  236. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 12:56 pm

    Methinks they will only go after the dictator with drones, seeking a precision kill with little collateral damage.

  237. August 28, 2013 1:11 pm

    Hmmmm, what’s the bet they don’t invade & occupy Syria?

    Hmmmm, a little bit of historical context in the timelines of the two respective chemical weapon attacks upon civilians…& subsequent ‘action’ too.

    Hmmmm, drawing equivalences with the Invasion of Iraq is very loose partisan point scoring indeed.

    * not that there shouldn’t be action taken against Assad, mind.

  238. IPA permalink
    August 28, 2013 1:14 pm

    Just as well they got rid of that dumb cowboy Bush.

  239. IPA permalink
    August 28, 2013 1:19 pm

    “even here the retail banks are making obscene profits under the circumstances”

    Hey, whatever happened to those portable mortgages? You know, the ones Wayne Swan said you could just switch from one bank to another if you didn’t like the interest rate you were paying? Oh, that’s right, it was just another ill-considered thought-bubble from the worst treasurer ever to (dis)grace the office.

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 1:20 pm

    Some friends in the US think it is much more civilised these days. Michelle O has nice arms too, according to those that know.

  241. August 28, 2013 1:23 pm

    If Bush was there now, I’d support him taking action against Assad.

    I’m not a fan of any POTUS.

    It’s fair to say that, given Assad killed thousands (?) of his own people with chemical munitions in the last couple of weeks (?), there is reasonable global support for unilateral action against Assad at the moment.

    Not congruent with Iraq in 2003 at all. Remembering also that the US happily stood by & let Saddam gas the Kurds because he was one of their favoured dictators (proxy against Iran) at the time; many years prior to the confected rationale for Invasion.

  242. August 28, 2013 1:24 pm

    There is little doubt that clandestine US aggression has escalated under Obama.

  243. IPA permalink
    August 28, 2013 1:43 pm

    What would Noam do? 😯

  244. August 28, 2013 1:57 pm

    I’m sure he has a (probably published) opinion on the matter, if you care to look.

    He isn’t utterly against the use of force, when warranted, though; so it may surprise you.

    I only commented on this because there are very obvious differences in public opinion & moves towards expedient action between the two chemical attacks. One was used posthumously, 15 years later, as a dubious rationale for an Invasion, along with other dubious inferences of Al Qaeda connections within Iraq; when it suited a Superpower’s agenda.
    The most current one is indeed very current, drawing calls for punitive strikes from many nations. There is no sentiment for an Invasion.

    The equivalence between Bush & Obama, in this instance, doesn’t stand up to even shallow scrutiny.

  245. Walrus Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Wathching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 3:47 pm

    Yes it would be good to see the Assad regime toppled and Al Qaeda gets their hands on some proper weapons of mass destruction. Bombing trains and nightclubs and embassies and crashing planes into buildings is so old school terrorism

  246. Walrus Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 4:42 pm

    Poor old Kev is so despised in Western Sydney that I’m going to call tonight’s debate in the heart of Western Sydney at the Rooty Hill RSL as a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE win to Tony Abbott.

  247. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 4:54 pm

    If just about everyone agrees they should take out the dictator in a precision strike, what harm in that?

    After eliminating Syria’s leader they could then move onto North Korea’s supreme leader, ducks in a pond with state of the art drones.

  248. Walrus Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 4:59 pm

    Hilarious

    Looks like Kev is going for more of the “statesman” look. He’s off to the G20 next week

    Rudd said today……..

    “I said at the outset that our intention is that Australia would be represented by the Foreign Minister but I will continue to be in consultation with global leaders on this question.
    “We are in uncertain times. That’s just the truth of it. It would be quite wrong of me to pretend to any of you that these are normal times.”

    He’ll be able to catch up with those “rat fucking” Chinese no doubt LOL.

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:01 pm

    Abbott isn’t exactly popular IATW, a drover’s dog.

  250. Walrus Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:03 pm

    LOL

    Yes a bit like that ToM

  251. Walrus Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:04 pm

    “If just about everyone agrees they should take out the dictator in a precision strike, what harm in that?”

    Be careful what you wish for !

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:15 pm

    Mmmmmm …

    1929 – Wall St crashes …

    1939 Germany invades Poland Australia before Britain and France declare war … Russia stays out … seven years later the end of WWII

    2007 – Wall St crashes …

    2013 Assad launches banned chemical arms … USA, France & Britain plan “punitive”, military target missile attacks on Syria …>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?

    Mmmmmmmm …

  253. Walrus Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:18 pm

    Just let the A-rabs sort out their own shit for a change I say

  254. Walrus Sipping on a Pinot Noir Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:21 pm

    And Iran will go ballistic I’d say if Assad goes down.

  255. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:27 pm

    And the Russians, what of them?

  256. Walrus Sipping on a Pinot Noir Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:33 pm

    Mmmmmmm Yes the Ruskies ?????????????????????

    I think it was Einstein who said he does not know what weapons will be used in World War 3 but he was pretty certain World War 4 would be fought with bows and arrows

  257. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 5:54 pm

    Insightful.

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2013 6:10 pm

    Missiles on Syria is a BIG mistake … I agree with, Wally’s sentiment …

    Just let the A-rabs sort out their own shit for a change I say

    If international law was broken then the perpetrators should be brought to justice after the conflict … we do not want/need another Afghanistan …

    Why is there no protest in editorials or across the interwebby?

  259. Walrus Sipping on a Pinot Noir Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 6:14 pm

    Meanwhile over at the Cafe since 11am and before 4:33pm there have been approximately 29 posts.

    28 of the have been from their village idiot Catching Up.

    As usual the Owner is just full of the usual pathetic bullshit.

    Scaper is posting again

  260. Walrus Sipping on a Pinot Noir Commenting from the Comfort of His Banana Chair on the Orbiting Deathstar Watching a Pod of Dolphins permalink
    August 28, 2013 6:17 pm

    “Why is there no protest in editorials or across the interwebby?”

    Oh c’mon TB……………..there’s a Leftie in the White House and Kev’s in the Lodge.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2013 6:49 pm

    Well I disagree and you’re forever calling me a leftie … there goes another Walter Theory …

    I must say TDT has quietened down a bit over the last couple of days … have you been unusually rude or is everyone watching X Factor or some other shite … (and I know who works shifts!)

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 6:58 pm

    It’s quiet because some of us have to work!

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 6:59 pm

    But…

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:00 pm

    if

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:00 pm

    I

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:01 pm

    posted

  267. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:01 pm

    in

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:02 pm

    the

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:02 pm

    same

  270. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:02 pm

    way

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:03 pm

    as

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:03 pm

    Catching

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:04 pm

    Catching Up

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:04 pm

    it

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:05 pm

    …it would appear busier!

  276. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:05 pm

    We could discuss the makeup of the new government.

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2013 7:09 pm

    “We could discuss the makeup…

    Are you referring to the fake tan or the hair dye?

  278. egg permalink
    August 28, 2013 8:06 pm

    chuckle

  279. IPA permalink
    August 28, 2013 9:11 pm

    “Oh c’mon TB……………..there’s a Leftie in the White House”

    Exactly!

    Imagine if it was Bush running the drone program. The wailing and gnashing of teeth would be deafening. Instead, we get *crickets*

  280. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:03 pm

    Hehehehehehe……..!

    Mind you IPA Lefties are good for the Gold price.

    Go Newcrest Mining ( still in red on my ledger)

    LOL

  281. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:06 pm

    Wow

    What a victory for Tony.

    It was 100 to Gotta Zip

  282. public toilet permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:44 pm

    Poor diddums dubya.

    He was just misunderstood.

    In fact, he was a willing puppet of Rumsfeld & Cheney.

    I imagine at least a portion of the support for spanking Assad stems from people seeing the bodies of dead, poisoned children on their TV’s last week.
    Not all that surprising then really.

    But, once again…noone is proposing invasion & occupation.

  283. public toilet permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:48 pm

    Bombing Syria is quite likely to play well with a majority of US citizens.
    Unleashing their arsenal on foreigners makes them swell with national pride, on many occasions. No matter who is potus at the time.

  284. public toilet permalink
    August 28, 2013 10:51 pm

    The drone killing program is a separate issue altogether.

    But, I’ve agreed with you about that on numerous occasions.

  285. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 28, 2013 11:10 pm

    Geoff Gallop and Michael Kroger on Lateline.

    Gallop is looking just stupid.

    Cringeworthy

  286. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 3:23 am

    You don’t hear much about Gitmo these days, do ya?

    #leftoidhypocrisy

  287. egg permalink
    August 29, 2013 6:37 am

    Noticed the Syrian Electronic Army has been active in Australia, these are the sorts of people who should be droned.

  288. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2013 9:15 am

    Kev does have a hokey way of expressing himself. On the other hand, Tony is scarcely able to express himself.

    When selecting leaders it’s safer to choose the intelligent, articulate ones rather than the dumb ones.

  289. Walrus Sitting High Upon the Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 9:53 am

    “Syrian Electronic Army”

    Sounds like a currently touring rock band

  290. egg permalink
    August 29, 2013 9:58 am

    🙂 Hack Mob

  291. August 29, 2013 10:34 am

    #rightardsourgrapesandshoulderchips

  292. August 29, 2013 10:36 am

    #stupidrightardsreallythinkobamaisaleftard

    #theUShasneverhadaleftistadministration

    #theUSwillnevergiveupitsexceptionalistviolationsofforeignnationalsnomatterwhoispotus

    #paranoidaboutleftistmeejabias

  293. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2013 10:37 am

    (Wait, wat, wai…

    “Five syllables here
    Seven syllables there
    Are you happy now?”)

  294. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 10:53 am

    #confusedchomskyitedoesntknowwhethersyriabombingiswarrantedorjustmoreexceptionalistviolationsofforeignnationals

  295. public toilet permalink
    August 29, 2013 11:06 am

    Not confused at all.

    You keep bringing up all kinds of things which have nothing to do with Syria. Attempting to create some skewed, overarching narrative about leftist bias. I agree with you about parts of it…but you’re trying to sew incongruent parts together.

    Confusing US administrations as leftists is ridiculous. 🙄

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2013 11:13 am

    Had to post this … THANKS to META … and the first link above “Five syllable here …”

    The Most Honest Three Minutes in Television History! (… and some!)

    We are dangerously close to becoming the 51st state of the USA (metaphorically) … please, please don’t let it happen …

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2013 11:21 am

    Confusing US administrations as leftists is ridiculous. 🙄

    Rusted’s have trouble thinking independently of their chosen path … makes it difficult for those of us who see good and evil on both sides of the road, Toillette …

    In my experience there is no cure … like catliks … they simply “believe” and if you don’t you’re damned … so WGAF?

    (What’s amusing is that you have to be either left or right … black or white … not purple or grey …

    The Mothership has always found this thoroughly amusing … :mrgreen:

  298. Walrus Sitting High Upon the Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 11:21 am

    This might be Bland, Dull and Boring but it is mightily amusing as a marketing gimmick

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-28/dull-visit/4917140

  299. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 11:32 am

    “Confusing US administrations as leftists is ridiculous.”

    I’ve made no comment about US administrations being leftist or otherwise. That’s a different argument. My comments on this topic are directed at those blog commenters who screeched like banshees about various “transgressions” under a Republican administration but are conspicuously silent now their messiah occupies the White House.

    It’s blatant hypocrisy.

  300. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2013 12:29 pm

    Of course Obama isn’t leftist. Dubya is the real leftist. 🙂

  301. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 12:43 pm

    It is amusing, though, that now Obama has proved every bit the hawk Bush was, maybe more so, the argument becomes “oh he’s not really a leftist anyway”.

  302. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:05 pm

    IPA, the argument from the loony left has always been that Obama is not really a leftist.

    It is no surprise that Obama is massively increasing the power and role of government, spying on citizens, arming Homeland Security, promoting race hatred, co-opting government agencies to his partisan agenda, doling out public money to Obama mates with wacky environmental schemes, arming Mexican drug cartels, betraying American allies, supporting the Islamist agenda through regime change, supporting union power and privilege, and generally doing stuff that will re-make the US along the lines of a Chicago slum. It is no surprise that he despises a large part of the population, those fearful people clinging to their bibles and guns, or that he believes that if you started your own a business “you didn’t build that business”.

    Compared to normal people, Obama is a leftist. But that is not enough for the extremists who would like him to do more to destroy liberty in the US and to do it faster.

  303. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:06 pm

    Boston Herald: “Asked to say whether she 
approves launching a strike against Syria, [U.S. Senator Liz] Warren’s press 
office — which churns out releases regularly on financial industry abuses — did not get back to the Herald.

    “This is curious because Warren and other Massachusetts Democrats had been harshly critical of the Bush administration’s handling of the war in Iraq. But now it’s different because Barack Obama is president and her former Senate colleague, John Kerry, is secretary of state.

    “We don’t take it personally, though. She showed similar 
reluctance a few months ago to comment on Obama’s decision to arm rebels against Syrian President Bashar Assad after he 
was accused of using chemical weapons.”

  304. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:16 pm

    Good point(s) Splatter.

  305. Walrus Sitting High Upon the Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:33 pm

    Splatter I think you left out getting the IRS to do special investigations of his political foes as well

  306. Walrus Sitting High Upon the Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:37 pm

    More on the IRS here

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-05/opinions/41075747_1_irs-scandal-president-obama-national-security-agency

  307. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:51 pm

    “A few more questions before we start bombing Syria”

    Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2013/08/a_few_more_questions_before_we.php#ixzz2dKJgZU78

  308. public toilet permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:59 pm

    Obama is not, and never was, my messiah.

    I don’t have a messiah of any description & I am not an ideologue.

    You are ranting in a vacuum…& making comparisons between Syria & Iraq is bullshit. Although I notice you’re no longer pressing that.

    Put simply, the US is never likely to elect a POTUS who isn’t of a fairly narrow spectrum, digestible to the peculiar US public.

    I for one am not surprised in the least by hawkishness. It is endemic to the position.
    I could level many of the same sort of equivalences at the right…but not on my smartphone.

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2013 1:59 pm

    “I think you left out getting the IRS to do special investigations of his political foes as well”

    That is included in this: “co-opting government agencies to his partisan agenda”.

    It is hard to keep track of the excesses of this alien in the White House.

    And I don’t know what he thinks he is doing in Syria. The New York Times reported that “Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.” If he succeeds he will only replace Assad with Al Qaeda. It seems to be that he must be a Sunni, not a Shi’ite.

  310. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 2:05 pm

    “Obama is not, and never was, my messiah.”

    Why do you assume I was referring to you. Still, if the cap fits …

    “It seems to be that he must be a Sunni, not a Shi’ite.” 😯 😀

  311. public toilet permalink
    August 29, 2013 2:07 pm

    What a mindless retort.

    I don’t wear caps.

  312. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 2:20 pm

    “I don’t wear caps.”

    My mistake. That was Sancty.

  313. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2013 2:49 pm

    (Meanwhile, back at the not-posse-commitatus (2001), not-Bush-doctrine-WMD-preemption (2003) ranch, what, if anything, about red-lines and/or R2P, with or without the beezy, beezy, beezy droneys?)

  314. IPA permalink
    August 29, 2013 3:00 pm

    “Poor diddums dubya.”

    “What a mindless retort.”

    Yes.

  315. egg permalink
    August 29, 2013 3:41 pm

    Informative young Meta.

  316. Walrus Gazing Down from the Rightwing Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 3:43 pm

    Popcorn ????

  317. Ol' Sancty permalink
    August 29, 2013 3:50 pm

    Is Meta suggesting that the Responsibility to Protect doctrine justifies military action against Syria in this instance?

  318. public toilet permalink
    August 29, 2013 3:52 pm

    #pjmemefactory

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2013 4:53 pm

    Did anyone here watch … The Most Honest Three Minutes in Television History …?

    Sending in missiles as an overt strategy has more to do with politics than military action and will prove nothing … what it will do is stir up the local animosity (eg Iran, Lebanon, v Israel) …

    … and certainly destabilise international peace … US + Allies and Russia/China + Allies …

    … lets have a war and then we can make lotsa profit rebuilding again … and it will also reduce the global population, environmental pollution (in about 2,500 years) and give The Robber Barons even more power and control …

    … the USA economy recovered dramatically (and became the worlds first real superpower) because of WWII …

    The economic mould has never been destroyed …

  320. public toilet permalink
    August 29, 2013 5:17 pm

    Can’t watch it where I am now, TB.

    Will have to check out all links later.

    Meta’s are always illuminating.

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2013 5:25 pm

    You’ll be “impressed”, methinks, Ser … not so sure about the Yankerphiles around here …

  322. public toilet permalink
    August 29, 2013 6:15 pm

    As I see it, TB, their disparaging of Obama is no less politically motivated than The Left.

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2013 7:06 pm

    WOW! Not the Left? Pantszwettesx Extraordinary! Make sure you check under the bed AND contact Senator McCarthy … immediately!

  324. egg permalink
    August 29, 2013 7:10 pm

    In a situation like Syria its straight out of West Wing, the president takes strategic and political advice.

    Going after a nasty piece of work has its dangers, but a bipartisan agreement by the Security Council that an individual is wanted dead or alive, to face justice hopefully, should have a sobering effect on other dictators.

    Politically its a factional nightmare, they all sound as bad as each other.

  325. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 10:28 pm

    I have a very very very bad feeling that the Syrian situation is going to prove very sticky for everyone in the West

    A really bad feeling, really bad

    Can’t put my finger on why but really really really bad.

  326. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 29, 2013 10:49 pm

    Don’t forget a huge number of Russian “influentials” are very very angry about what happened to their cash in Cyprus after the EU took a huge slice of it.

  327. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 7:06 am

    If a dictator commits a crime against humanity of this magnitude and the Russkies don’t want to intervene, thats fine.

    So Obama should tell the world we would love to take out this dictator, but the Russians want us to leave him in power for some reason.

  328. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2013 8:57 am

    HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!

    Incredible news!!

    A rich guy, head of a company, has an affair with a 26 year old!! I don’t know whether that has ever happened before, but it might have.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/googles-co-founder-sergey-brin-wife-anne-wojcocki-split-up/story-e6frfro0-1226707189842

  329. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 9:34 am

    Rudd loses support of Treasury and Finance bureaucrats over the fake leak.

  330. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 30, 2013 9:45 am

    Kevin has a $10 Billion Dollar Black Hole.

    Now the ALP is just looking dumber and dumber and completely unfit for Office.

    Good to see Bowen will likely lose his seat. He has conducted a disgraceful campaign against his Liberal opponent and he’s really looking baaaaaaaad.

  331. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 10:04 am

    So if Abbott & The Acolytes do take office we stand to lose …

    ► Health System Reform

    ► Education System Reform

    ► Disability Insurance Reform

    ► Communication System Upgrade

    ► Foreign Policy Credence

    ► Money to Middle Class Welfare (red PPL)

    ► A Market Glut of Used Indonesian Fishing Boats

    ► Ownership of Australia

    But strangely enough life will still rumble on …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So after hounding the ALP about declaring a surplus, Joe Hockey retreats from doing the same … how amusement and hypocrisy …

  332. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 30, 2013 10:25 am

    “So if Abbott & The Acolytes do take office we stand to lose …”

    LOL…………………Yes the Deathstar is landing in a neighbourhood near you

    “Joe Hockey retreats from doing the same …”

    Probably also because there is very little incentive to get back to Surplus quickly. The LNP does not want to piss off its newly won over voters too much. They will be quite happy to continue “parading” the slowly reduced “ALP Debt/Deficit” legacy for at least the next 2 elections after this one.

    The Rudd/Gillard years will hang like a millstone around the ALPs neck for years to come.

  333. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 30, 2013 10:26 am

    Arrow Points………………………thats a new look TB

    ToM will be jealous

  334. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 30, 2013 10:29 am

    Anyone else noticed that 730’s appearances on this blog have a positive correlation to the fast diminishing number of days to polling ?

    LOL

  335. August 30, 2013 11:01 am

    The arrow points are a nice touch. It conveys determination and a sense of authority.

    It’s just un-Queenslandish.

  336. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:25 am

    ► Health System Reform
    ●●● Have the Libs even released their policy yet? If I hear the Abbott cut $1bn out of hospitals lie again I’ll puke.

    ► Education System Reform
    ●●● I thought the Libs were going to keep Labor’s spending. Under Labor the spending will be designed to benefit unions more than students – as usual. Libs more likely to make changes the teacher unions oppose.

    ► Disability Insurance Reform
    ●●● I thought the Libs were keeping this.

    ► Communication System Upgrade
    ●●● Both plans are stupid, but the Libs are cheaper.

    ► Foreign Policy Credence
    ●●● I doubt the Libs will do anything as stupid as Rudd did when he went to China and lectured them on human rights, in Mandarin. Or be as pompous as Rudd at international forums, like the complete embarrassment of Copenhagen. He does seem to enjoy being rat-fucked by the Chinese.

    ► Money to Middle Class Welfare (read PPL)
    ●●● Nothing wrong with the design of the PPL other than we can’t afford it. If I actually believed it would be self funding I might support it. Are the existing government PPL schemes middle class welfare?

    ► A Market Glut of Used Indonesian Fishing Boats
    ●●● Typical BS policy on the run from the Libs. It makes no sense at all.

    ► Ownership of Australia
    ●●● Rudd’s comments yesterday are evidence of him imploding. I don’t see any great problem here and I don’t see a great deal of difference between the parties.

    Ultimately Abbott has been unable to explain how he will cut taxes, spend more than Labor and get the budget back in surplus. I don’t like leftists, but I hate big spending conservatives.

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:27 am

    And you forgot marriage equality, TB. That actually matters.

  338. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:31 am

    ‘…big spending conservatives.’

    I’ll leave that for nils to refute.

  339. Walrus on the Deathstar permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:40 am

    WOW

    Arrow Points with Triple Bullet follow up.

    Most impressive !

  340. August 30, 2013 11:42 am

    Bottom’s just showing off.

  341. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:45 am

    Why not – when you’ve got a bottom like mine?

  342. August 30, 2013 11:46 am

    I like to think of it as a pumkin.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:49 am

    And you forgot marriage equality, TB. That actually matters.

    I did indeed, sb … but then I’m not the suppository of all wisdom like you … 😉

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:50 am

    I like to think of it as a pumkin.

    I guess it depends on your perspective … 😯

  345. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:52 am

    Who could resist my selfie avatar?

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2013 11:52 am

    Yes!
    °The formatting is impressive©
    °The arrow points show a degree of intelligence not normally found in Queenslanders

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 12:01 pm

    You know nuthin’, John Snow …

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 12:40 pm

    °The formatting is impressive©

    Why, thank you, ToM, high praise indeed from the local “expert” … I do find sb’s, triple dot points a little crass and overdone though … no finesse … like cannon balls at a party …

  349. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 1:13 pm

    ‘I do find sb’s, triple dot points a little crass and overdone though … ‘

    I tend to agree.

  350. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 1:16 pm

    It feels like the silly season, with the election and early spring. Before I forget, the bureaucrat who dreamed up pre polling is a genius and should be given a medal. Its very popular amongst the masses.

  351. August 30, 2013 1:33 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong…but isn’t carrying a Colt 45 outside of a registered gun club illegal in this country?

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 2:15 pm

    Yep … why?

    Unless government authorised (police, security etc) …

  353. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2013 2:46 pm

    It seems to me that Rudd has gone of the rails this last week or so. He is still carrying on about the $70bn in cuts and the $10bn black hole despite being discredited on the former and seriously undermined by Treasury on the latter.

    Rudd has put Abbott back into the same position he was in against Gillard – he only has to stay alive and look vaguely human to win. It is a shame really. Whoever wins the election Australia will lose.

  354. public toilet permalink
    August 30, 2013 3:15 pm

    Just curious.

    Either an act of fantasy, or an illegality has been undertaken, apparently.

    I’m leaning towards the former, given the source.

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 3:15 pm

    ►►► Whoever wins the election Australia will lose. ◄◄◄

    Absofknlutely!

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 3:17 pm

    Kan U nuduhake ing kawruh?

  357. Walrus on the Balcony of the Palm Beach Deathstar Watching Nice Things Laying on the Beach permalink
    August 30, 2013 4:17 pm

    Why the need for a Colt45 when the guy from Jim’s Lawnmowing is an expert in Marshall Arts anyway ?

  358. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 4:47 pm

    ‘Whoever wins the election Australia will lose.’

    Abbott isn’t so bad and he should settle into the big chair comfortably, being a political animal first class.

    If he doesn’t win both houses….

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 5:17 pm

    Wally, your “name” is now longer than your posts? 🙄

    =============================

    So … egg, back to Tones, I see … 🙄

  360. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2013 5:45 pm

    Abbott isn’t so bad…

    Yes he is, it’s just that compared to Gillard he looked about level pegging. Now that there is a decent choice, he looks underprepared, unintelligent and inarticulate.

  361. egg permalink
    August 30, 2013 6:00 pm

    I know he’s bad, but he’s not all that bad.

    He might surprise us.

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2013 7:02 pm

    He might surprise us.

    This isn’t X Factor … this is the Prime Minister of Australia …

  363. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 31, 2013 12:00 am

    He will surprise me and us I think.

    By the way how do LNP people get their hair like that ?

    Julie Bishop and Michaelia Cash both look like they have stepped off the set of Dallas.

    And Christopher Pyne ? ……….I suppose he uses Redken Factor 10

    Anyway Emma on Lateline is still hot looking

  364. Walrus' View from his Deathstar permalink
    August 31, 2013 1:06 am

    By the way isn’t every bomb

    A chemical weapon ?

    Are the “good bombs” only those that you hear just before you die ?

  365. egg permalink
    August 31, 2013 7:06 am

    Newspoll is suggesting a landslide, bloody hate media. I thought Kevette was brought back to prevent that? Massive Fail.

  366. egg permalink
    August 31, 2013 9:20 am

    The next minister for agriculture and food security said “its unlikely we’ll have a double D because Rudd won’t want to take it on”.

    What a novel thought, anyhoo you heard it here first.

  367. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2013 11:03 am

    “By the way isn’t every bomb

    A chemical weapon ?

    I find things like that strange myself. Apparently there are rules in war. You are only allowed to kill someone in a certain way. Why killing someone in a particular way is moral versus killing someone another way is immoral beats me.

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2013 11:41 am

    We finally agree on something, Kneel … miracles do indeed occur …

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2013 12:12 pm

    Nice story of the tribulations of being a foreigner.

  370. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2013 6:05 pm

    Pardon, ToM? are you on the right fred?

  371. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2013 7:48 pm

    I see Mr Rudd is going on about how the evil Coalition will not release its costings. Well Mr Rudd did not release most of HIS costings when he was Opposition leader until the day before the 2007 Federal election. It is interesting to see how stupid it is to make forecasts. Who knows what the next three years have in store???

    http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/22093/20071124-0102/www.alp.org.au/media/1107/msfintertre230.html

    Media Statement – 23rd November 2007

    Labor The True Economic Conservatives Deliver Bigger Surplus Than The Coalition

    The final report from the Independent Costing Review Panel was delivered to the Federal Labor Party today.”

    Today?? That was Friday 23 November.

    Rudd is a hypocrite.

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