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Rostrum: Special WCP Edition!

September 20, 2013

25-06-2013-3-37-22-PM

For far too long we WCPs have been left to languish on the sidelines while the worst government in Australia’s history squandered our hard earned cash on hair brained schemes like the Climate Change Commission and so-called “science.”

But now, with thanks to the incoming Abbott Government we can breathe a long overdue sigh of relief, and the good news is already spreading far and wide with investors, yes investors – remember those people? Observing that Australia could be on the brink of another property boom. Hooray!

To find out more, we spoke to Christopher Joye at the Australian Financial Review….

Good afternoon Christopher and welcome to the show.

Why thank you reb, and thanks for having me on the program.

Tell me Chris, for the benefit of our many reader, are we in the throes of a bubble, and should we worry about the risks of one materialising?

My word yes, reb.  The Australian Prudential Regulation Authority certainly gets it. Last week it warned “that a long period of low interest rates can lead to rising household leverage and housing market pressures” that might threaten the banks’ loan books. They also highlighted how peers overseas were proactively leaning against burgeoning booms.

Australia’s No.1 ranked banking team, UBS, has warned in this paper that “sustained house price inflation” is both “undesirable and dangerous” given the local housing market is “already expensive by most metrics we see”. They’re anxious about the threat to banks in 2015 and 2016. HSBC’s Paul Bloxham, an 11-year RBA veteran who wrote an internal paper on the “role of monetary policy in responding to rising asset prices”, says that “if house price growth and new lending accelerates from here it will be a worry”.

Aussie housing is not massively overpriced. This is one reason why values declined only modestly in 2008 and 2011, despite gloomier predictions from many mainstream economists.

The fundamentals are underpinned by strong population growth, which has consistently exceeded government forecasts, and historically inert new supply. But a credible starting point does not mean the future is fine. The problem is that Australia’s housing market is “priced for perfection”.

According to the RBA’s own analysis, the ratio of house prices-to-incomes is 33 per cent higher than it was in the late 1990s, and 100 per cent dearer than in the late 1980s. Today the house price-to-income ratio is only 10 per cent off its pre-GFC peak.

There are some sound reasons for this, including the substantial fall in nominal lending rates in the 1990s as price stability gripped, the structural decline in the jobless rate care of labour market reforms, and the rise of multi-income families. What gives me pause is that national house price growth now looks to be running at three times wages. In Sydney the gap is even greater. And what is unprecedented is that Australia’s housing upswing is coinciding with the cheapest mortgage rates ever. In the boom of the early 2000s, discounted home loan costs troughed at 6.15 per cent, or 100 basis points higher than current rates. 

Thank you Chris, that was lovely.

Thank you reb.

And that’s all we have time for tonight.  Join us next week when we talk to Catching Up about the importance of diversification in asset class investing.

 

 

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  1. September 20, 2013 4:40 pm

    How amusement… Labor already cooking the books to ensure that Shorten wins the leadership ballot….

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/anthony-albanese-disadvantaged-by-ballot-rules?CMP=twt_gu

  2. egg permalink
    September 20, 2013 4:46 pm

    ‘Richardson & Wrench agent Fred Jabbour sold a 1950s shack at 27 Beach Street, Tennyson Point, on Saturday for $3,788,000, nearly $500,000 above reserve. Instead of celebrating he is concerned.

    ”If prices accelerate too quickly they will come back just as quickly,” he said. ”Prices can’t continue like this. It’s unsustainable.”

    Johnstone /Canberra Times

    Thinking supply and demand, continuing low interest rates, a bubble is bound to develop. To avoid the usual boom and bust scenario our great leader may consider fast mass transport infrastructure and decentralisation a priority, to accommodate increased migration without inflation.

    Does Abbott have the vision?

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 20, 2013 5:12 pm

    The reason Labor is having an election now is so that their members aggrieved about losing the last Federal election and recent state elections can now vote in one which a Labor candidate wins!

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 5:55 pm

    Remember it was Ken L that coined the “wealth crazed prick” term. Apparently reb was advocating some form of capitalism and saving.

    Whatever happened to Ken? He was an expert in industrial relations!

  5. September 20, 2013 6:29 pm

    Ken Lovell (?) wrote very well.

    He used to look after Tim Dunlop’s ‘Road To Surfdom’ following Tim getting the News.com gig.

    Got fed up (no pun intended) with the blogosphere, near as I can remember.

  6. September 20, 2013 6:42 pm

    People say “wealth crazed prick” like it’s a bad thing.

    It’s about time some dignity was restored to this term of phrase…

  7. September 20, 2013 7:07 pm

    Most people would probably like to be wealthy. Unfortunately, it’s not a realistic likelihood for the majority…that’s just the way consumerism works.

    Of course, that’s entirely dependent upon whether or not the individual defines wealth in terms of material possessions & bank balance.

    Personally, I’d settle for long term financial security & the peace of mind that being able to easily pay the bills & afford a few luxuries brings.

    Wealth at all costs seems self defeating to me. It also seems that our society is geared towards this approach, inferentially at least.

    Pricks are pricks…crazed, wealthy, both or none.

  8. September 20, 2013 7:09 pm

    Health always trumps wealth.

    A realisation often precluded until health falters.

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 7:16 pm

    I regard myself as a wealth crazed prick, and don’t seem to have suffered any adverse consequences.

  10. September 20, 2013 7:19 pm

    It’s hard to measure conceit over the internet. Without having met you in person, I will give you the benefit of the doubt; I find you to be articulate & amusing, without the nasty bent that plenty of other denizens of the blogosphere seem to conjure up when you type things which challenge them.

  11. September 20, 2013 7:25 pm

    I could care less about a persons perceived ‘station’ in life.

    I’ve seen my mum go from being a struggling farmer’s wife, quite happy to bust her guts & get her hands dirty, to a GP who is relatively well off, many years after I left home; she hasn’t changed much as a person, just has much more responsibility & many more headfucks to navigate.

    I don’t defer to wealth. It isn’t a credible measure of a person’s character. Particularly inherited wealth.

    Part of the reason chest puffing fuckwits like dirtman rub me the wrong way. Truly important people rarely spend their time reminding everyone how important (they think) they are.

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 7:31 pm

    That’s a very generous observation HD, and this is a nice photo of me.

  13. September 20, 2013 7:36 pm

    I’m just a red wine crazed prick.

  14. September 20, 2013 7:39 pm

    I can be a crazed prick too.

    My job keeps that in check. 😉

    Getting overcrazed can be tremendous fun, in the right company & under the right circumstances.

  15. September 20, 2013 7:40 pm

    This is a nice photo of me surrounded by Fifi and Lulu…..

  16. September 20, 2013 7:43 pm

    “Getting overcrazed can be tremendous fun”

    Agreed. I used to do that right tilI hit my 40’s. Now I’m too worried I might have a heart attack.. You just cant tell what’s in pills these days…

  17. IPA permalink
    September 20, 2013 7:47 pm

    Has anyone ever seen reb and ToM in the same room? Didn’t think so.

    (My wealth is all stored in Tigers futures. It looks like being a very lean retirement.)

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 7:49 pm

    It isn’t a credible measure of a person’s character. Particularly inherited wealth.

    I agree! Every socio economic group has a similar proportion of compete tossers.

    As for inherited wealth, well Fifi’s family have a few bob, and I can’t wait for them to die!…that’s my retirement plan.

  19. egg permalink
    September 20, 2013 7:54 pm

    The other night I became a banshee crazed prick when a bunch of Fijian 457s upset me… smoking inside against house rules. Even more astonishing, I was sober at the time.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 7:57 pm

    That photo is of FIfi’s mum!!! I don’t know much about the brunette, not really my taste.

  21. IPA permalink
    September 20, 2013 8:06 pm

    Plan B is the Spring Carnival.

  22. September 20, 2013 8:08 pm

    Re house prices..well developers and Real Estate agents are one step up the ladder from phedolile priests…re the ballot? really do you actually know what’s going on.. Love all this speculation… I’m behind Albo in the trenches and its looking pretty bloody sweet at the moment.Lots of diluted cordial in Sussex street at the moment 🙂

  23. September 20, 2013 8:10 pm

    I passed on free beer with shorty and fucking Beatie.. No thanks.

  24. IPA permalink
    September 20, 2013 8:11 pm

    “Lots of diluted cordial in Sussex street at the moment ”

    Kool-Aid, probably.

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 8:14 pm

    The Spring Carnival is an opportunity that is made for people like me. By that I mean mature men who enjoy looking at drunk young women.

    Apparently there are horses nearby, but I’ve never seen any of them.
    ——————–
    I’m in Albo’s corner too!
    ——————–
    Go Cats!!

  26. IPA permalink
    September 20, 2013 8:16 pm

    Bruce Mcavaney is the worst football caller ever. (He’s from South Australia.)

  27. September 20, 2013 8:47 pm

    l`m not a member Ricky, so l`m looking in from outside the tent. l would think `Albo` is really the only choice, he has represented the `team` at all times and refrained from the spiteful, nasty stuff that has been the self-destruction of Labor. Shortman has been a near opposite and would bring with the baggage and constant reminder of Labor`woes` to the public.

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 9:00 pm

    Bruce Mcavaney isn’t very bright, he’s from South Australia you know.

  29. September 20, 2013 9:01 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Truly important people rarely spend their time reminding everyone how important (they think) they are.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    ‘ 🙄 ‘ 🙄 ‘ 🙄 ‘ 🙄 ‘ 🙄 ‘ 🙄 ‘ 🙄
    ‘ 🙄
    lt`s not like Gerry Harvey, Frank Lowey, Rupert, Gina or their hired mouth-pieces ever bully, extort or scream about the Govt for acting in the interest of the nations, instead of `their` important/powerful interests.

  30. September 20, 2013 9:52 pm

    You’re on the money Teabag. A moderate,, real down to earth and pragmatic bloke. Bill as a leader would be about as inspiring as sitting on a chair with a mogadon cocktail watching paint dry. Baggage? he has a cargo terminal. Albo is all about a new way with real reform, thats what we need. The party is charged up about this ballot because its reconnecting people like myself who work under sufferance,. You can’t govern a country if you can’t govern yourself no matter how good your policies are.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 10:38 pm

    So it looks like being a particularly dull grand final – Fremantle vs Hawthorn, that’s as dull as it gets.

  32. September 20, 2013 10:48 pm

    Good onya Tom You cant spell Labor without Albo 🙂

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2013 10:50 pm

    She seems very friendly. I’m not sure about him.

    Got her phone number?

  34. September 20, 2013 10:59 pm

    Ricky, l hope during the alp `reconnecting` process, somebody can bring to their attention that there is a lot of `non-rusted` voters out there that don`t default to voting Tory as the Junk-News media tend to claim, and that the alp offering them-self as `Tory-Lite` is not really a selling point. Joining the Tory`s in acting despotically won`t do the alp any favors either, such as crushing independents and small party`s, anything non-Tory is better in my view, even when the alp is often underwhelming. l wish you success Ricky.

  35. Tom of Me permalink
    September 20, 2013 11:12 pm

    The problems with the ALP go a little further than just choosing a new leader

  36. Walrus permalink
    September 21, 2013 1:17 am

    Is Catching Up doing an investment newsletter thingy ?

  37. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 8:07 am

    CU is a busy girl, has even offered her services to TPS in an effort to keep that boat afloat.

  38. September 21, 2013 8:19 am

    I hear you Teabag, the first problem is the majority of alp constituents do not agree with policy positions and the liberal lite. First step is to fix the dysfunctional outdated operational structure so people actually get a say. Block voting by unions does two things 1: erodes democracy 2 breeds a culture that is easily corruptible.

    to make an omelette you must break a few eggs…

  39. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 8:50 am

    Ricky is on the money.

  40. IPA permalink
    September 21, 2013 10:38 am

    My thoughts on Tim Dunlop’s thoughts on Abbott’s one-woman cabinet …

    Let’s at least do Tony Abbott the courtesy of accepting that he knows what he is doing. Choosing a cabinet is not a dad moment. He didn’t just happen to come up with the particular mix of jobs and gender that he did earlier this week on a whim. He has been planning it for some time.

    So, as we know: one woman.

    With no-hopers like Peter Dutton in the cabinet and the likes of, say, Kelly O’Dwyer outside it, it is impossible to maintain that merit had anything do with the selection process.

    No, not impossible at all. Dunlop gives an example of one woman and makes the value judgement that she should have been selected for cabinet over Peter Dutton. No reasoning, no comparison of CVs or experience.

    This is as near as damn it to the living embodiment of jobs-for-the-boys as you’re likely to see in a major institution this side of the twentieth century. It represents a value judgement by our new prime minister, a clear indication that he simply cannot accept women as equals and can only relate to them – as per his constant parading of his family – as wives, mothers and daughters.

    He can no longer hide on this.

    Oh, look, Abbott has made a value judgement, which in no way proves Abbott “cannot accept women as equals”. This is just one of many evidence-free assertions Dunlop makes in his article.

    So his one-woman cabinet is an appalling outcome, but it will also be his downfall because his own party will not stand for it. Women on the conservative side of politics simply cannot afford the snub and, although the fresh glow of incumbency will hold them at bay for a while, they will eventually find a way to respond. (Some of them may even be regretting their complicity and silence in the attacks on Julia Gillard: their own personal Pastor Niemoller moment.)

    Predictions are tough, especially about the future actions of conservative women.

    The new cabinet is Tony Abbott’s secrets revealed. In fact, it goes deeper than just Abbott: it is indicative of the pathologies of a certain brand of conservatism.

    As a philosophy, conservatism has much to recommend it. The desire to preserve what is good about the past – whether it be the natural world or the social mores and institutional arrangements that have served us well – is a laudable instinct that transcends arbitrary left/right political distinctions.

    But Abbott’s conservatism – a strain dominant in the western world at the moment – is far more reactionary than this. It is built on resentment, the resentment that comes from a perceived loss of prestige.

    More assertions. This strain of conservatism exists in Tim’s head. He offers no evidence it exists in Tony Abbott’s.

    The anger of certain men at rising gender equality is this resentment’s most obvious manifestation, and we can expect that those who jeered at Julia Gillard will be the same ones cheering, or rationalising, Tony Abbott’s one-woman cabinet.

    According to Tim, those who criticised Gillard were not genuine in their criticism, they were men angry at the rise of women.

    But other aspects of the new cabinet reveal a more general conservative malaise.

    Thus, we now have no science minister, and this is as one with the general tenor of the sort of dumbed-down conservatism to which Mr Abbott adheres. Science comes under particular attack, because it is the great dethroner of religious power.

    Conservatives’ problems in this area are partly to do with gender – as the major religions are all patriarchies – but it goes further than that. Science prioritises fact over authority, chance over planning, and description over prescription. As we have seen in the US for a number of years, this all sends a particular sort of conservative spare, and Tony Abbott is one of their number.

    Not only do these wingnuts hate women, they hate science too!

    Their particular bugbears are evolution and the science of climate change, and so it is no surprise that the new cabinet no longer has a minister for climate change, or that the science portfolio, originally introduced into Australian cabinets in 1931, is being watered down with industry and education. (And don’t be at all surprised to see a push for “intelligent design” to be included in school curriculums.)

    They are all religious nutjobs!

    There are other indications of the mindset.

    The creation of a ministry for border protection is undoubtedly about signalling Tony Abbott’s priorities in the area. It is therefore hard to see the exclusion or relegation of ministries devoted to innovation, homelessness, women, youth, workplace relations, mental health, ageing, multiculturalism, childcare and international development as anything other than a similar statement of priorities.

    This is mostly true.

    Of course, he is perfectly entitled to construct his cabinet as he sees fit; it’s just that we should see it for it is.

    The choices he has made point to a deep unseriousness and immaturity at the centre of the Abbott Government, as well as amongst those sources of power within our society – including within the media – that support him. For all of them, it is more important to raise a middle finger to what they see as their “enemies” than it is to govern in reality. They would rather score points against the “feminazis” and “poofs” and “inner-city elites” and all the other figments of their arrested development than face up to the world as it actually exists.

    Who in the new government used the terms in inverted commas? Our correspondent doesn’t say.

    This is a problem for all of us, because we simply cannot, as a nation, thrive in the world when a significant portion of those in power are in denial about reality, whether it be the facts of climate change, the worth of women, or the ethnic composition of our population.

    The new government is full of Reality Deniers!

    Yes, the Coalition won the election quite comfortably, but not nearly as well as they thought they would. The result showed that a lot of the dissatisfaction with Labor went not to Mr Abbott but to minor parties and independents. The electorate is fractious and completely dissatisfied with both major parties, and they are unlikely to want to indulge a new prime minister and the chips on his shoulder for too long.

    Tony Abbott is more conservative and more of a culture warrior than the nation he now leads. He has set himself up for a reckoning, including from within his own party, and I don’t think it will take too long to manifest.

    More (hopeful) predictions.

    Still, a lot of damage can be done in the meantime, and it is important that people understand that.

    Be afraid, people! Tim Dunlop is.

  41. IPA permalink
    September 21, 2013 10:39 am

    Dunlop’s Drum article.

  42. September 21, 2013 10:59 am

    “Not only do these wingnuts hate women, they hate science too!

    Yes, pretty much… Science has the pesky habit of contradicting with their religious nutjobery, so if you abolish it, it simply goes away. A bit like the Climate Change Commission..

  43. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:06 am

    Tim is wrong on climate change and shows clear symptoms of the malady. Mass delusion is a frightful business.

  44. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:13 am

    ‘so if you abolish it, it simply goes away. A bit like the Climate Change Commission..’

    As global warming was a myth, it seems appropriate to put it behind us.

  45. public toilet permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:23 am

    So, iPad, how would you feel about a push to include ‘intelligent design’ in school curriculums? If that were to occur.

    Personally, I doubt any contemporary Australian government would dare to stray that far off into nunuland.

  46. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:27 am

    ‘Personally, I doubt any contemporary Australian government would dare to stray that far off into nunuland.’

    Unless UFO turn out to be real.

  47. public toilet permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:32 am

    I think the loony jesusborgs contend that their fabricated celestial overlord is a little more than a UFO, el gordo.
    They get quite specific about it…just not specific enough to have credibility.

  48. IPA permalink
    September 21, 2013 11:46 am

    “So, iPad, how would you feel about a push to include ‘intelligent design’ in school curriculums? If that were to occur.”

    I don’t know who Dunlop, or you, think this push would be coming from. Not Abbott, obviously, because he’s alleged to be a devout Catholic so no doubt accepts evolution as part of the church’s teaching. But, in principle, such “theories” should not be taught in government schools, full stop. On the other hand, if a private school wanted to teach such a thing as part of its religious curriculum then it should be free to do so. And parents should be free to send their children there, or withdraw them, as they see fit.

  49. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 12:40 pm

    I agree with IPA, that private schools should be allowed flexibility in religious matters. At the same time our education system is universally teaching pseudoscience and 71% of Age readers think that’s a good thing.

  50. public toilet permalink
    September 21, 2013 12:48 pm

    If you look carefully, you’ll see that I specifically stated that I don’t think it’s likely here.

    I am well aware of the Catholic church’s stance on the matter. Did I mention that I think the new Pope is a progressive reformist?
    I wonder how that will go down with his more hardline, moralising brethren, who like nothing better than becoming outraged with the goings on of other people’s reproductive organs?
    They can’t really depose the man they see as their fabricated overlord’s human presence on Earth, can they?

  51. public toilet permalink
    September 21, 2013 12:49 pm

    Thankyou for your considered response, iPad. I agree.

  52. September 21, 2013 2:11 pm

    dunlop_said_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘With no-hopers like Peter Dutton in the cabinet and the likes of, say, Kelly O’Dwyer outside it, it is impossible to maintain that merit had anything do with the selection process.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    .
    ipad`osy_said_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘No, not impossible at all. Dunlop gives an example of one woman and makes the value judgement that she should have been selected for cabinet over Peter Dutton. No reasoning, no comparison of CVs or experience.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    .
    The cv`s dunlop linked to are value-less, so l agree with you on that.
    .
    But ipad`osy, are you really advocating dutton is better than odwyer.? and if so, why.?
    .
    l can, like most, only go on what is shown on troll-media-TV, and odwyer has always performed better for the tory`s than dutton ever will. (and this not just coz she`s a pretty girl, has sex appeal, or some other nonsense)

  53. egg permalink
    September 21, 2013 9:29 pm

    ‘The Age has become a Leftist monoculture. What an indictment of its management.’

    Andrew Bolt

  54. egg permalink
    September 22, 2013 6:49 am

    ‘The head of the Royal Australian Navy is ready to enforce Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s pledge to ”turn back the boats” saying procedures are well developed to execute the policy.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/navy-ready-for-abbotts-boat-policy-20130921-2u6j9.html#ixzz2fYvgUgBU

  55. egg permalink
    September 22, 2013 7:21 am

    ‘Labor would have been reduced to a parliamentary rump worse than in the Whitlam defeat of 1975 had it not replaced Julia Gillard with Kevin Rudd as prime minister, according to leaked internal polling.

    ‘Mr Rudd saved Labor at least 15 seats, including those of enemies Wayne Swan, Warren Snowdon and Gary Gray, who would all have lost their jobs if Labor had persisted with Ms Gillard, according to the polling.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/rudd-saved-labor-leaked-polling-shows-20130921-2u6my.html#ixzz2fZ3iG39v

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2013 10:55 am

    Hawthorn vs Fremantle, what a dull prospect for a grand final.

    Hawthorn – the club with the culture set by the ugly Kennett against Fremantle – coached by Ross Lyon – a duplicitous individual who breaks his written commitment just as easily as Gillard.

    I expect to go surfing next Saturday.

  57. egg permalink
    September 22, 2013 10:58 am

    Real Culture

    ‘In a coup which shows the global appeal of the show, the producers persuaded a bona fide opera star – New Zealand’s Dame Kiri Te Kanawa – to play the illustrious Australian soprano Dame Nellie Melba, invited to sing at a grandiose Downton house party. Her performance on set was apparently so powerful it made cast and crew alike shed a tear: I just hope the on-site catering van didn’t make the dame weep.’

    Radford / UK Tele

  58. public toilet permalink
    September 22, 2013 11:33 am

    Go Freo!

    Fuck the Victorian favourites…with a rake.

  59. egg permalink
    September 22, 2013 12:03 pm

    ‘More assertions. This strain of conservatism exists in Tim’s head. He offers no evidence it exists in Tony Abbott’s.’

    I agree with IPA’s comment and add that the PM is a dark horse.

    For example, his dream of a 15,000 strong green army shows his conservative credentials. Assuming its affordable and productive, it could be classed as ‘a laudable instinct that transcends arbitrary left/right political distinctions.’

    So its inclusive, to net the green/left alliance.

  60. September 22, 2013 1:02 pm

    ””””””””””””””””””””’ Blah, Blah, Blah….this is not news. Everyone in Australia has read this long ago, long before the election.Its been known for a long time Rudd would save some seats.
    Why is it that left leaning newspapers like the SMH keep writing about Labor as if its still in power and its hopeless internal machinations are of relevance or interst to Australians. NO ONE CARES anymore. The fools have been kicked out of office in a landslide and the endless articles in the media which feed the media cycle of what Labor is doing are just tiresome old news.Most Australians couldnt care less about labor and what happened in the past or even what they will do in the future.They secured their lowest primary vote in 100 years.The inner city latte set will need to gossip about other things.

    What is of relevance now is what the Liberal/National party are doing and will do with their landslide victory.

    Commenter
    Malcolm
    Location
    Sydney
    Date and time
    September 22, 2013, 8:25AM ””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’
    http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/rudd-saved-labor-leaked-polling-shows-20130921-2u6my.html#ixzz2fZ3iG39v
    +
    +
    l tend to agree with this commenter, egg,
    troll-media tend to fill their platforms with
    irrelevant content nowadays, which continues
    to erode their audience numbers.

  61. egg permalink
    September 22, 2013 1:47 pm

    The new editor’s in chief at the SMH and Age are both raking over the carcass. The Fairfax stable is on dodgy ground, but hopefully they’ll get wise before glimpsing the event horizon of a monstrous financial black hole.

  62. September 22, 2013 3:49 pm

    ””””’hopefully they’ll get wise””””
    .
    no chance in hell

  63. September 22, 2013 3:59 pm

    ”””’the club with the culture set by the ugly Kennett”””
    .
    l didn`t know hawk-thorn fire-saled all their assets,
    and return home each night to beat their wives.?

  64. September 22, 2013 5:36 pm

    ””to make an omelette you must break a few eggs””
    l couldn`t agree more Ricky.
    .
    you may recall,
    Back on the day Joolya made her `famous` misogyny speech
    that hammered Mr-Rabbit, team Joolya then joined with
    teh-Tory`s to vote for chopping single mother`s welfare.
    .
    Todays TV news has just reported,
    both shortman and albo now admit this was a blunder,
    and seek to reverse this. The `Left-Leaning` and `Un-Rusted`
    bloggers here, all saw this as the blunder it is now proven.
    .
    lf you get the chance, suggest the alp develop some
    `foresight` to the decisions they make. Rear-view mirror
    hindsight usually comes to late.

  65. September 22, 2013 5:52 pm

    A lesson from NZ on the hazards of punitive welfare reform…

    WCP WARNING: Contains view sympathetic to the Left..

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2013/09/22/a-lesson-from-nz-on-the-hazards-of-punitive-welfare-reform/

  66. September 22, 2013 6:09 pm

    ””punitive welfare reforms exacerbate the difficulties faced by many people who are already struggling, and said that state agencies increasingly enact repression rather than care.””
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2013/09/22/a-lesson-from-nz-on-the-hazards-of-punitive-welfare-reform/
    .
    .
    Nice find reb, and l fully agree,
    tho not on welfare myself, there is a `parallel`
    going on here in Australia.
    .
    punitive `employment` reforms exacerbate the difficulties faced by many people who are already struggling, and said that state agencies increasingly enact repression rather than care.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2013 6:28 pm

    Go Freo! dull game with plenty of injuries… and let’s celebrate Franklin’s last game for Hawthorn!!

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2013 6:36 pm

    “If a boat sinks … and people drown, I don’t think the government has a right to not tell people that this tragedy has occurred.”Bill Shorten …

    er, sorry Bill, the government has a responsibility to keep the nation TOTALLY informed on a subject that they claim a mandate on! Not just sinkings!

    I have a signed contract from Tony Abbott to the effect that he will “Stop The Boats”

    Denying me, and all the other Australian contractors, information on the government initiated contract would breach that contract …

    … making the contract voidable … a breach of such magnitude should result in a resignation of the Abbott Government immediately … a massive porky already!

    Or they could just tell us WTF is going on as they are supposed to …

    Didn’t he swear to SERVE the people of Oz?

    Words, just words … actions belie the deviousness of politicians and their words …

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/morrison-to-give-weekly-boat-briefings/story-e6frfku9-1226724574836

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2013 6:44 pm

    …and Kev is a true Labour hero for saving the ALP from decimation. Gillard and Swan would have cause a wipe out.

    http://www.theage.com.au/data-point/rudd-saved-labor-leaked-polling-shows-20130921-2u6my.html
    ——————–
    Shorten – a dull hack, who is motivated by his huge ego.

    Personally I think Tanya P or Bowen are better candidates than either Albanese or Shorten.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2013 6:50 pm

    A lesson from NZ on the hazards of punitive welfare reform…

    And a major reason that the USA is a basket case and the empire is crumbling … a stupid belief that everyone is capable of being “successful” in such a “wonderful” economy …

    More money spent on weapons and aggression fighting the world than on assistance to its own society … poor and forgotten folk will easily turn to other “institutions” (ie Islam) if desperate …

    Life is not about making money 100% of the time … not all roses have a perfume sometimes you need to find the ones that do!

    (I see that Shorten and Albanese have “realised” that depriving single mum’s of $60 to $100 a week was probably not the right thing for a Labor Government to do …

    Something that many of us here said at the time! It’s these types of decision that true Labor voters will punish …

    Pity I rarely hear LibNit supporters criticise their governments …

    Anyone mentioned Barnet’s whimpering in WA … we need to raise the GST like a fkn hole in the head … why should I prop up his poor planning and budgetary decisions … bLie’s lot were bad enough and we’ve already copped that here …

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2013 6:50 pm

    Personally I think Tanya P or Bowen are better candidates than either Albanese or Shorten.</I.

    yeah me too, ToM

  72. September 22, 2013 7:06 pm

    ”””’Barnet’s whimpering in WA _ we need to raise the GST like a fkn hole in the head _ why should I prop up his poor planning and budgetary decisions”””’
    .
    ditto, it would just be
    punitive `price` reforms that exacerbate the difficulties faced by many people who are already struggling

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2013 8:49 pm

    According to Catching Up, this site is to blame for Scaper’s behaviour!!

    ”Picks it up from the gutter, in that other site, he obviously visits.

    Personally, I think the behaviour comes naturally to him, and he only visits CW to bait his intellectual equals.

  74. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 6:49 am

    ‘The board of NBN Co has offered to resign en masse, falling on their sword amid suggestions they do not have the confidence of the incoming government.

    ‘The chairwoman Siobhan McKenna submitted her resignation to the Minister for Communications, Malcolm Turnbull, along with the rest of the board. Former Telstra boss Ziggy Switkowski is waiting in the wings to be appointed executive chairman.

    ‘Kerry Schott is expected to be one of the only directors invited to stay on by Mr Turnbull, who has been highly critical of the board and the way the company has been run under the Labor government.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/entire-nbn-board-resigns-20130922-2u835.html#ixzz2felzROaV

  75. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 7:13 am

    ‘That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact, particularly when you place it in the context of the safety-conscious, “secondary smoke” obsessions that characterise so much of American life.’

    Henry Porter / Guardian

  76. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 7:37 am

    Down at the cafe scaper is being moderated because of his abusive outbursts. It came off the back of Mobius saying this guvmint is the worst in history after only a week in power.

  77. September 23, 2013 7:46 am

    Eeeeh!! Catching Up has revealed that her husband got their 12 year old daughter pregnant. That’s just gross.

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 7:52 am

    According to Catching Up, this site is to blame for Scaper’s behaviour!!

    Yeah? Is that why the rockshifter is one of only TWO people (I’m aware of) ever banned here for – let’s say – bad behaviour?

    Some pretty poorly informed folk around the blogs …

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 9:36 am

    The board of NBN Co has offered to resign en masse …

    So would I … if I was expected to support the denial of technological advances to low and fixed incomes … like toll roads restricting the travel of many citizens … so the NBN will only be available to those with disposable incomes or people who have just had a baby …

    And Back to the Future begins … as predicted Abbott & The Acolytes will be Noddy Newman & The Nitwits writ large … here it comes …

    Bet you lot don’t enjoy the 1960’s as much as I did!

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/commonwealth-agencies-to-be-cut-by-abbott-government/story-fncynjr2-1226724733088

    As for Peter Dutton I wouldn’t let the dopey sod feed my dog (if I had one), let alone try and run the nation’s health system …

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 23, 2013 9:42 am

    “It came off the back of Mobius saying this guvmint is the worst in history after only a week in power.

    One problem with the net is that you can end up saying things you latter regret. I am sure Scaper regrets what he said.

    But i find most Labor supporters very provocative. I obviously am a Liberal party supporter but maybe not as strong as people think. But it is comments that the current govt is the worst in Australian history when they have only just got in i find very provocative.

    I can usually agree to disagree with many people. But the Labor supporters I meet on the blogs, I have very little respect for.

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2013 9:56 am

    I’m not sure that it’s a great idea to publicly share such sordid information.

    It’s just another example of the oddballs who self select out of intelligent (though testing) discourse.

  82. September 23, 2013 10:21 am

    “I’m not sure that it’s a great idea to publicly share such sordid information.”

    That’s what I was thinking…

    It wasn’t that long ago, that Catching Up wanted to silence any discussion about Gillard’s opposition to marriage equality with CU deeming any such discussion as “not sensible.”

    Apparently, however, talking about the fact that your former husband shagged your own kids is somehow open for debate…

    They are an odd bunch of people… 😯

  83. public toilet permalink
    September 23, 2013 10:23 am

    Scaled has been an angry, nasty, semi_literate self promoter on every blog I’ve ever seen it comment on.
    We know he reads here (that’s right, fuck you dumbass) but it’s all bad press for him, so I hardly think anything which goes on here is to blame for his entirely predictable mean streak elsewhere.

    Catching Up needs her wiring reconnected, if that’s what she reckons.
    Noone is to blame for scaper’s abuse there except scaper…although miglo et al keeping him as a rabid pet is probably also minimally responsible.

    He has repeatedly said far more personal, despicable things about commenters there than anything which YomM or reb were banned for. Anyhoo…

    I think Bacchus, Adrian, colabba5 etc handle him well by mocking his outlandish claims & obvious deficiencies.

  84. public toilet permalink
    September 23, 2013 10:26 am

    Has Catching Alzheimers sent through the report on asset diversification yet?

  85. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2013 10:39 am

    “I’m not sure that it’s a great idea to publicly share such sordid information.”

    Might I suggest that since Catching Up’s real name has ben revealed over the years that her identification of her daughter would be quite easy and that revealing that she was the victim of sexual abuse as a minor might carry some sort of legal sanction regardless of how long ago it was ………………..?

  86. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2013 10:48 am

    “Has Catching Alzheimers sent through the report on asset diversification yet?”

    Her idea of diversification would be for the RBA to print more 50 dollar notes as well as 20 dollar notes

  87. September 23, 2013 11:29 am

    “Her idea of diversification would be for the RBA to print more 50 dollar notes as well as 20 dollar notes..”

    😆

  88. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 11:31 am

    Fibre to node…. x

    ‘Turnbull and Abbott have predicted that the policy of fibre-to-the-node would save approximately $14.6 billion compared to the Labor Party’s strategy. To put that in perspective, that money is just shy of funding the now-previous government’s National Health Reform Agreement program, designed to review and refocus Australia’s healthcare system.’

    Luke Hopewell / Gizmodo

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2013 12:25 pm

    I think Bacchus, Adrian, colabba5 etc handle him well by mocking his outlandish claims & obvious deficiencies.

    Arguably each prefers to take on an adversary they know they can defeat. Each has proven that they shy away from real challenge.

  90. public toilet permalink
    September 23, 2013 12:40 pm

    Yes, but I still enjoy it when they slap down the gardener.

    TomR, too.

    If it was up to minglo, dirtman would just be allowed to bully & abuse wide eyed members of the knitting circle unchecked. At least those other few don’t tolerate the rockshifter’s belligerence in silence.

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2013 1:05 pm

    ““Her idea of diversification would be for the RBA to print more 50 dollar notes as well as 20 dollar notes..””

    Bade case of Mondayitis today. That was the first time I laughed this morning.

    “would save approximately $14.6 billion”

    I suspect the saving to be much, much greater than that given the delays and cost-blow-outs of the NBN. No wonder most of the board resigned in shame.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 1:15 pm

    There are daily surprises at GT here’s just a taste from, Kneel …

    I obviously am a Liberal party supporter but maybe not as strong as people think.

    Followed by this screamer ……

    I can usually agree to disagree with many people. But the Labor supporters I meet on the blogs, I have very little respect for.

    ============================================

    … would save approximately $14.6 billion …

    and that will blow out over time as copper HAS to be replaced and prices rise … a false economy … watch for more …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 1:23 pm

    Yes, but I still enjoy it when they slap down the gardener.

    I still have a lot of time for a few contributors from Blogocracy, I’m sure they know who … 😉

    I told, Migs, I wouldn’t post at CW while the rockshitter was there (I have on occasion) but I rarely look these days … unless a comment here interests me …

    However! Naming people on blogs is wrong … and where they reside!

  94. September 23, 2013 1:36 pm

    “However! Naming people on blogs is wrong …”

    Yeah well Miglo has form in that respect, despite his own “disclaimer” saying that he won’t.

  95. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 1:45 pm

    ‘and that will blow out over time as copper HAS to be replaced and prices rise … a false economy … ‘

    More like prudent economics.

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2013 2:04 pm

    …and now he’s allowed the identification of a victim of sexual abuse.

    It really isn’t up to either Catching Up or Miglo to allow publication of information that allows victims of sexual abuse to be identified.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 5:24 pm

    Here’s Alan Kohler’s take on the LibNit’s new (competition will drive prices down*) NBN policy … not a good look …

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/9/23/information-technology/nbn-board-has-run-away-why

    *Yuou know … like it did with power prices and water charges and those roads you have to pay for ’cause they need to make profit! Hey?

  98. September 23, 2013 5:52 pm

    No doubt, TB, is a fan of Abbott’s reincorporating pledging allegiance to Our Sovereign Lady The Queen & god, at his oath taking.

  99. September 23, 2013 5:54 pm

    I’m getting a 10kW solar system in the next few weeks.

    So fucking sick of being gouged for my power by a all & sundry. Now I’m gonna be gouging back!

  100. September 23, 2013 5:54 pm

    * del ‘a’

  101. September 23, 2013 5:56 pm

    “I, ANTHONY John Abbott, do swear that I will well and truly serve the people of Australia in the office of prime minister and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia. So help me God!

  102. IPA permalink
    September 23, 2013 5:56 pm

    Alan Kohler: The NBN has to be a monopoly – able to charge its customers what it likes and needs – for its “business case” to be viable. It can’t compete in a free market. Competition will drive prices down, give those nasty city dwellers cheaper broadband, and make the NBN unprofitable. That’s just not the socialist way. State owned monopolies survive because they give the consumer no choice of supplier or price.

  103. September 23, 2013 5:56 pm

    Not my fucking queen.

    Not my fucking god.

    Not my fucking PM.

  104. September 23, 2013 5:57 pm

    Ah, here come the free marketeers.

  105. September 23, 2013 6:11 pm

    “The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.” ~Christopher Hitchens

  106. September 23, 2013 6:26 pm

    You know, Buddhism also expresses almost the exact same sentiments as your Hitchens quote, although it’s perhaps a little more optimistic..

    For instance, once you come to realise and accept that life is difficult and painful, and that as humans we seek to find meaning where none exists, then you can actually begin to experience a genuinely meaningful existence…

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 6:41 pm

    Toillette, just saw this post …

    I’m getting a 10kW solar system in the next few weeks.

    There is a 5kW “limit” in Queensland to connect to the grid … I don’t know, but maybe worth checking with your state govt … why pay out when you cant use the power … FYI we live comfortably with 4.3kW AND are amortising our capital outlay … (Wally, the CPA* doesn’t understand that, he’s been brainwashed to think that his kind “subsidise” we solar power people …

    BTW, costs about six grand to set up a battery bank … (the difference between 10kW and 5kW???

    Just sayin’ …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 6:49 pm

    christ you can BS, ToSY … you read just like an academic who has “read” stuff and in reality has never done nowt (productive or constructive) …

    And a sneaky academic too … your interpretation above is designed for the lazy sods who won’t read all of Kohler’s article … to make it sound as if he wrote your version of it …

    A Liberal follower true … deceive and obfuscate the truth … egg, must love your posts … oh, wait … you don’t have anothera sock puppet, do you? 😉

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2013 6:51 pm

    almost the exact same sentiments

    Grrrrrr … exactly the same OR the same OR (more precisely) similar …

    Apologies – the exact same is an Americanism that drives me up the proverbial wall!

  110. September 23, 2013 6:59 pm

    ””’policy of fibre-to-the-node would save approximately””’ ZERO.
    .
    Mr-Talkbulls idea of filling towns and suburbs with `node`boxes along the road-side have already been identified as bull-bar fodder by 4WD Loving `tech-nerds`. Watch Mr-Talbulls `price-per-node` sky-rocket once/if the `node`roll-out is under-way. These `node`boxes will end-up fixed above ground to power-poles, or end up needing a lot of reinforcing during construction.

  111. September 23, 2013 7:03 pm

    “Apologies – the exact same is an Americanism that drives me up the proverbial wall!”

    Now you know how I feel about you and your apostrophes.

    How do you feel about “almost perfect”?

  112. September 23, 2013 7:05 pm

    “These `node`boxes will end-up fixed above ground to power-poles, or end up needing a lot of reinforcing during construction.”

    What’s the bet there won’t be a “node box” to be seen in Wentworthville…..?

    I suspect only the western and southern suburbs of Sydney will be blessed with their aesthetic appeal.

  113. September 23, 2013 7:18 pm

    ””’I suspect only the western and southern suburbs of Sydney will be blessed with their aesthetic appeal.”””
    .
    Teh North Shore crowd had a big push in `their` electorates,
    (Mr-Talkbull, Mr-Eleventy, Mr-Rabbit)
    to get fiber-to-user BEFORE the election.
    Another example of `everything for the elite`
    and austerity/sub-standard/2nd-class for the rest of us.

  114. September 23, 2013 7:26 pm

    Not sure, TB, but think SA is a bit different. The state gov is removing the 16c feed in in 2016(I think)…but retain the suppliers 9c (I think).
    No matter, for me, it’s about negating my bill (which actually isn’t that ridiculous compared to a lot of my peers, who run reverse cycles 24/7 [I don’t]) now & against future rises.

    I’m lead to believe that our electricity prices here in SA are some of the most expensive to be found on this planet.

  115. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 7:41 pm

    ‘I’m lead to believe that our electricity prices here in SA are some of the most expensive to be found on this planet.’

    Germany is a fraction higher (just guessing) and they never complain.

  116. egg permalink
    September 23, 2013 7:46 pm

    Its a known fact that Germany has the highest power bills in Europe and probably the world.

  117. September 23, 2013 8:02 pm

    Hey dunny,
    can you drop some specs and cost details about your solar stuff please. l want to get off the grid too. ls your 1-hot-water, 2-oven-stove, 3-air-con, electric.? l asked TB ages ago but got no reply.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 8:55 am

    “Germany is a fraction higher (just guessing) and they never complain.”

    Germans are increasing falling into the “Not Happy Johann” category when it comes to electricity prices:

    The German government tried to stem the outflow of investment capital and jobs by making electricity available to aluminum, chemicals, steel and other big energy-intensive German companies at subsidized low rates. ….. The soaring cost of subsidies was paid by a special tax on German consumers and on businesses too small to qualify for subsidized low rates.

    There were howls about unfairness from German consumers and small business people as well as foreign companies competing with German companies that benefited from subsidized low rates. Complaints were filed with the European Commission, and European Energy Commissioner Gűnther Oettinger declared the subsidies were unacceptable. While renewables might make many people feel good, it seems nobody wants to pay the high costs, and they cause ill will all around.

    “the political backlash [against Germany’s green revolution] has now moved from the fringes to the mainstream, with even the German media calling for an end to the green lunacy . . . the costs of uncompetitive technologies have to be paid by someone. In Germany, these costs fall disproportionately on the poor.”

    Germany’s agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor. Government advisors are calling for a completely new start.

    Consumer advocates and aid organizations say the breaking point has already been reached. Today, more than 300,000 households a year are seeing their power shut off because of unpaid bills. Caritas and other charity groups call it “energy poverty.”

    Lawmakers, on the other hand, have largely ignored the phenomenon. In the concluding legislative period, the government and opposition argued passionately over a €5 increase in payments to the long-term unemployed. But no one paid much attention to the fact that those welfare recipients would subsequently see the extra €5 wiped out by higher electricity bills.

    It is only gradually becoming apparent how the renewable energy subsidies redistribute money from the poor to the more affluent, like when someone living in small rental apartment subsidizes a homeowner’s roof-mounted solar panels through his electricity bill.

    (Of course that redistribution sits well with affluent leftist types who have no compunction about ripping off the working class who they once fetishised and now demonise as redneck bogans.)

    Mounting anger amid political stalemate

    According to an opinion poll made by Forsa research group in July 2013, one out of two Germans is unhappy with the way the energy transition is being handled by politicians.
    However, Germany’s political parties are miles apart on finding common ground about how to curb the costs of the green energy revolution.

  119. egg permalink
    September 24, 2013 9:07 am

    I blame the American fracking revolution for the timely end of that green revolution.

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 9:25 am

    You have to hand it to the Chinese. They were too smart to stop building coal-fired power stations and made a motza selling wind turbines to countries dumb enough to cripple their own economies.

    Compared to wind farms, desal plants look like financial genius. The Greens have always hankered to destroy market economies and have hit the ball out of the park with the “Green Revolution”.

    And for those mush-brained morons who would rather live in a society than survive in an economy – the good news is that you no longer need to set up your own poverty-stricken disease-ridden remote community to enjoy a society without a functioning economy. The alarmists are working overtime to destroy the economy so you can enjoy those lifestyle blessings throughout Australia.

  121. egg permalink
    September 24, 2013 9:36 am

    Thankfully our great leader has stopped the rot.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 9:50 am

    How do you feel about “almost perfect”?

    Probably the same as you … perfect is an absolute …

    Now you know how I feel about you and your apostrophes.

    Perhaps because I was taught their use in the ’50’s … happy for you to correct me though … I enjoy discussing grammar generally …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Germany is a fraction higher (just guessing) and they never complain.

    Because their roofs are covered in solar panels … I’ve never seen so many and not just homes but commercial buildings too … big subsidies over a decade ago ..

    =========================================

    Apologies 007

    ls your 1-hot-water, 2-oven-stove, 3-air-con, electric.? l asked TB ages ago but got no reply.

    1. On my second Solahart (first one lasted about 25 years!) (Note: Highly recommend — I used to be a production manager for a rival solar hot water system.

    2. Electric

    3. Electric (used a couple of times a year (DAYS!)

    We have insulation and remember the solar panels ADD to that … the air gap between tiles and panels is one of the best insulators …

    Like Toillette I just wanted to eliminate paying for power … we use about 9kWh per day and can generate up to 22kWh per day (we pay 21 cents from the grid eg at night and our excess onto the grid is now paid back at 52 cents – 44 cents from gov, and 8 cents retail deal fro two years …

    We will make a profit of about $250 dollars this quarter and we did the same last – in winter – so hopefully plenty of slack for increases … we paid $350 for the first Kw system and $6600 for the added 3.3Kw

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2013 10:16 am

    Is it just me becoming mature and wistful, or was the Brownlow a little more demure and dull?

    Where were the contemporary versions of-
    *The diamante g-string
    *The exposed flabby back
    *The almost invisible top

    I didn’t notice drunk footballers either, aside from the tattooed bogan Dane Swan.

    All those favourites seemed in short supply and the AFL will have to increase its effort if it wants to maintain public interest in this event.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 10:31 am

    And for those mush-brained morons who would rather live in a society than survive in an economy

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 11:10 am

    Some might find this info helpful … for sure cures … .. nothing worse than a pain in the arse … 😉

    http://www.hemorrhoids.org/hemorrhoids-treatment.html?gclid=CKCw9MXq4rkCFcFipQod4C4ApA

    (Disclaimer: I don’t suffer with this sorry affliction {so I can’t comment on the efficacy of the products} but I’ve known people who do and it can alter their personality completely overnight!)

    And of course if you can’t afford to pay for cures there are always home remedies …

    http://voices.yahoo.com/instant-relief-hemorrhoids-found-right-your-6319778.html

  126. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 11:11 am

    Sorry TB, I can’t help it. It is such a stupid expression and I hate prattling idiocy.

    You need to survive to live. You only get to survive with a functioning economy. I can understand someone wanting to do both – but they aren’t alternative choices as your trite cliche implies.

  127. September 24, 2013 11:25 am

    “trite cliche”

    popcorn!

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 11:25 am

    FYI, sb, I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy because my society is becoming overwhelmed by an economy that is driven purely by greed, making money at all costs and quite frankly cheating and deceit … not providing service or necessary goods … at a reasonable price …

    I’ve explained all this shit years ago … but you weren’t around … The Robber Barons have been for centuries though …

    I believe in capitalism*, I believe in democracy but not the bastardised American Uber Kapitalism that is now destroying the USA and is creeping in to my country, Australia!

    I’m old enough to have been privileged to emigrate here in 1961 and have seen a steady influence as we have become the 51st State and it has slowly destroyed the society I grew up to love.

    If you think that I’m “a mush-brained moron” that’s your privilege but it doesn’t win you any points with me or your “argument”

    Just sayin’ …

    Gotta go … three g/kids waiting to head to the seafront!

    *I was a small business owner for 16 years and loved every minute!

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 11:31 am

    We have a slight delay waiting for the “Bird’s Eye fish fingers” to be arrive …

    You only get to survive with a functioning economy

    And that’s my point … it should function for ALL citizens NOT just the middle and elite …

    105,000 people living on the streets in one of the world’s richest economies is not a good look, in my book …

  130. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 24, 2013 11:45 am

    “because my society is becoming overwhelmed by an economy that is driven purely by greed, making money at all costs and quite frankly cheating and deceit”

    You could say something like that at any time in Australian history and any time in human history.

  131. Evil Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2013 12:11 pm

    “… it should function for ALL citizens NOT just the middle and elite … ”

    Why would you want that sort of thing?

  132. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2013 2:04 pm

    (Hmmm, I thought I thought that the Chinese, like the Yanks, like the Germans, but not (necessarily all of) us, are adopting an ‘all of the above’ approach to (potential) energy asset class diversifications and/or substitutions. Oh well.)

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 2:44 pm

    TB, you are not listening. A sane formulation would be “I want to live in a fair society underpinned by a functioning economy.” In the real world there is no either/or choice between society and economy. We live in a society that provides a reasonable lifestyle for most members precisely because we have a functioning economy. To denigrate the economic underpinning of society is to pull the whole house down.

    But it seems that you don’t actually believe your own aphorism. Your protestations about supporting capitalism are consistent with seeking a balance between economic and social objectives and inconsistent with the binary choice presented in your trite cliché. The cliché itself is just a meaningless platitude. Maybe mouthing it gives you some pleasure, but that would merely be the same sort of pleasure you might gain from sucking yourself off if you were flexible enough to do so.

    And that is where the”mush-brained” bit comes in. Why else would you be so fond of an illogical statement merely because it carries a fuzzy kumbaya quality – provided you don’t think too much about what it means?

  134. September 24, 2013 2:45 pm

    a fuzzy kumbaya quality!!!!

  135. egg permalink
    September 24, 2013 3:10 pm

    ‘come by here’

    7.20 has used the expression repeatedly to illustrate the point.

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 3:25 pm

    Test

  137. September 24, 2013 3:42 pm

    I has freed your comments from the spam filter TB.

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 3:47 pm

    I prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy.

    We live in a society that provides a reasonable lifestyle for most members precisely because we have a functioning economy.

    The key words are live (in a democratic/capitalist) society or survive (in society owned by big business and people trying to get as much money as possible with as little effort as possible)

    My “illogical” statement (to you), refers to the erosion of society by greed and corruption in every corner of our “liveable” society and gouging by profiteers everywhere … who would be stupid enough to think that adding a third party of shareholders to the supply of electricity would/could actually reduce the cost … governments spend money on professional sport (Olympics, motor racing to name two) rather than the welfare of people who are worse off than “most members” …

    Banks rip people off left right and centre … telcos are just bottom feeders … bleeding heart car manufacturing companies … sport gambling … you name it …

    Why are the two richest states in the country now without their AAA rating … one a strong Labor state the other a strong Liberal … so its not their politics … its governments being strongarmed/owned by mining companies … nepotism, cronyism any ism that will give favours for money …

    Why are 105,000 Australians living on the street? In a “liveable” society …

    And if you don’t believe that our democracy isn’t in the pocket of big business then there is no point discussing the issue … if we lived in a true free market it just might be different but we don’t because too many businesses have to be controlled by government to stop their greed and chicanery … the business answer? Buy a pollie … and change the rules …

    Watch for changes to the new Competition and Consumer Act 2010 … in favour of business … not the consumer …

    And at least it made you THINK about the statement …

    I still prefer to live in a (decent) society, rather than survive in a (corrupt) economy …

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 3:48 pm

    I has freed your comments from the spam filter TB.</I.

    I is truly pleasured, sreb …

  140. Angelic Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2013 3:52 pm

    “………..that would merely be the same sort of pleasure you might gain from sucking yourself off if you were flexible enough to do so………….”

    “……I is truly pleasured, sreb …”

    Did I miss something from earlier on today?

  141. Angelic Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2013 3:53 pm

    What’s the use in being wealthy if all you pricks want equality ?

    Doesn’t make sense

  142. September 24, 2013 4:01 pm

    “Why are 105,000 Australians living on the street? In a “liveable” society …”

    I have a lot of sympathy for people who find themselves living on the street through no fault of their own, or being the victim of unfortunate circumstances, mental illness etc…

    There are others living on the streets who are plagued with drug addiction and in particular methamphetamine. Meth (ice) is now the number one drug problem worldwide and it’s a very real problem here in Australia…

    There’s an entire inner-city suburb in San Francisco where meth has simply taken over.

    You can check it out in this new documentary (which contains some confronting content)…

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:05 pm

    I just shifted to Chrome … my IE won’t let me post at all now …

    Where on earth did, Wally’s first quote come from?

  144. September 24, 2013 4:09 pm

    There’s a rumour, as yet unconfirmed, that the mobile phone tower on Christmas Island has been shut down to stop asylum seekers phoning the mainland.

  145. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:09 pm

    My contribution-

    I’d prefer to live in a whorehouse, rather than a convent

  146. September 24, 2013 4:12 pm

    I’m using chrome TB.

  147. Angelic Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:15 pm

    “Where on earth did, Wally’s first quote come from?”

    See Splatter’s post

  148. September 24, 2013 4:19 pm

    This is quite funny…

    And so is this

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:20 pm

    Yeah, I did skip that bit, Wally … must be a natural reaction to its filth …

    I see no point … still I see no point in the personal attacks either … BS is BS I guess …

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:21 pm

    Having a real problem posting! Just did a restart to no avail …

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:23 pm

    Firefox seems OK but so did Chrome a few minutes ago … here we go …

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:24 pm

    😛

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ sreb

    Mmmmm seems OK …

  154. egg permalink
    September 24, 2013 4:54 pm

    The two states missing out on their fair share of the GST might have something to do with losing their rating. Which states?

  155. September 24, 2013 5:08 pm

    “I’d prefer to live in a whorehouse, rather than a convent”

    Amen.

    They say hell awaits us. Rather, a life of pointless inhibiting followed by null is what they get.

    Under the sun, we rot together, in absolute biological equality.

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:15 pm

    What a relief!!!

    Our Shane is still on with Liz! My faith in Aussie (oi!) men and their ability to attract British beauties is restored.

    Go Shane.

    Liz Hurley keen to end growing speculation about her engagement to cricket legend Shane Warne

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/liz-hurley-keen-to-end-growing-speculation-about-her-engagement-to-cricket-legend-shane-warne/story-e6frfmqi-1226725733913#ixzz2fnAAv7rL

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:23 pm

    “The key words are live (in a democratic/capitalist) society or survive (in society owned by big business and people trying to get as much money as possible with as little effort as possible)”

    Given your self-made man status I’d say you live pretty nicely either way. The rest is just moral posturing of a type usually heard from the flaccidly comfortable. No doubt at some stage you worked hard to get ahead, and more power to your elbow for having done so.

    The Australia you came to in 1961 was a protectionist Wasp monoculture riding on the sheep’s back. We still had the white Australia policy and Aborigines weren’t even counted in the census. Fortunately times have moved on. We have had to become more tolerant and more economically competitive.

    Going through your list of grievances it is clear that we are roughly on the same page here – it is not about society vs economy but about the type of society we live in. You are obviously keen to demonise business but seem strangely silent on Unionland thuggery and corruption, which is rife here in NSW, with ALP grubs like Obeid ripping off $100m from the state. (I’ll spare you the full list, you know it already).

    Where we are going to disagree is in the details – I have less faith in the government to actually fix things. A lot about the quality of life in society has to do with the ethics and manners of the citizens as much as how entitled they are to government assistance.

    As you should well understand, happiness and quality of life are as much about state of mind as fancy houses in the suburbs. I wasn’t less happy when I lived week to week and once or twice a week went out into the laneways of Randwick to grab some chokos to have with white sauce as our evening meal until payday came around. What I do believe is that the more dependent people are on government the less happy they are.

    The main role of government is to maintain a framework of laws which allows a competitive economy to flourish. This involves consumer protection laws, minimum work standards, and strong penalties for business practices which are anti-competitive.

    What I don’t want is a mendicant culture where more and more people depend on government handouts.

    I agree that is pointless for governments to privatise enterprises in circumstances that inevitably create monopoly situations. They are replacing state-owned enterprises stacked with a politically appointed management which are run for the benefit of the relevant unions and bent to the whim of vote-seeking politicians keen to gain an advantage with a particular constituency. Either way the public loses.

    So, getting back to our initial disagreement, your formulation creates a false distinction between economy and society and sounds idiotically wet and wanky once you give it a moments thought.

  158. September 24, 2013 5:25 pm

    Sorry, TB, I should have reread my initial comment.

    I am in fact getting a 5 kW system, which allegedly produces around 20KWA/day. It’s my parents doing the 10kW thang.
    I look forward to gouging non-solar users.

    007:thirty…FYI

    1.electric hot water
    2.electric oven/stove
    3.no air-con, we be made of sterner stuff in dis Lodge, bloke

    Will cost around 7geez. Potential for next gen battery bank in the future if the government get too cute with their rule changing with regard to feed in tariffs.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:29 pm

    Wrong fred, ToM … (as bad as fkn, egg, and CC!) 🙄

    BTW its is “shaky” according to Liz – what am I doing! 🙄

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kneel, You could say something like that at any time in Australian history and any time in human history.

    That’s correct, Kneel! But it doesn’t make it right …

    I suspect that you are more than a dedicated believer in the Liberal Party … so you’ll understand this …

    http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-12.htm Take yer pick there’s lots of versions …

    And no I’m not equating my posts to JC sermons … its just that some things are so obviously wrong you wonder why other people can’t see it!

    For centuries …

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:31 pm

    “still I see no point in the personal attacks either”

    Says the man who once used my children to attack me on this blog. For all my bluster I haven’t sunk that low. It is a shame you don’t hold yourself to your own standards.

  161. September 24, 2013 5:35 pm

    Haha.

    I agree with almost the entirety of your ‘clarification’, splatter.

    However, I also know what TB was getting at. I doubt that his slogan has been subjected to such vigorous attack previously! 😯

    I imagine most here would concur with the thrust of what both of you are saying…if we were to stop and be serious, briefly

  162. September 24, 2013 5:37 pm

    Geez…not buying into that. 😯

    Are you two cross posting, or what?!

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:45 pm

    3.no air-con, we be made of sterner stuff in dis Lodge, bloke

    Will cost around 7geez. Potential for next gen battery bank in the future if the government get too cute with their rule changing with regard to feed in tariffs.

    LOL! Mind meld!

    Although its The Minister who won’t flick on the air con until its over 40 degrees … she was bjorn (sic) in Freisland – Viking country … ( 😯 ) and likes the windows open for at least ten months of the year!

    Seven grand sounds like a reasonable price (a very good price!) … I agree do not trust the pricks!

  164. September 24, 2013 5:54 pm

    Actually, under 7geez, until the barons take their fist full of GST. A snout in every trough.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:55 pm

    Says the man who once used my children to attack me on this blog.

    Well you called it an “attack” … I apologised .. and I think you accepted … but it still sticks in your craw obviously …

    And while I can’t remember what I posted … I vaguely remember it was about what your kids would think of your foul language at the time … not about them …

    If it is going to colour every post you make AT me I have a number of choices …

    As I said earlier, not interested …

    (I get the impression that you have some personal problems and I’m the kicking post … not going to happen … fin)

  166. September 24, 2013 5:57 pm

    A lot of the post Abbott victory reaction on pro-ALP blogs is pure overreaction & histrionics…however, things like this do represent a worrying trend & an indication of how our newly installed regime may function…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/23/greens-blast-ban-on-boycotts

    Likely to be at least as bad as the last lot, in new & exciting ideologically masturbatory ways.

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 5:58 pm

    “and likes the windows open for at least ten months of the year!”

    I share your pain. Our bedroom windows are required (not by me) to be left open all year round. Sometimes I am reduced to sleeping in a beanie or hoodie!

  168. September 24, 2013 6:00 pm

    Beanies are fkn great…so are hoodies. Especially my Guttural Secrete beanie.

    Not for sleeping in but.

  169. egg permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:03 pm

    ‘Wrong fred, ToM … (as bad as fkn, egg, and CC!) ‘

    I got the scoop first, check the other fred.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:03 pm

    LOL! I just completed a news.com.au survey with a promise of a $50 “prize” … two prizes “worth” $89 for weight loss products, one for a free virtual flight and a Visa $50 gift card —- “out of stock” … LOL!

    I rest my case deceit writ large … just ask me to do a 30 second survey FFS!

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:04 pm

    😆 @ egg …

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:06 pm

    Is Turnbull jockeying to simply continue with a FTTH rollout? Here’s hoping!

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/communications-minister-malcolm-turnbull-announces-nbn-review/story-fncynjr2-1226726224795

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:07 pm

    Hang on it was Jet BINGO! A fkn gambling game not a flght!

  174. September 24, 2013 6:10 pm

    TB and splatterbottom, this might seem completely off-topic but it’s not… Have you guys been watching Breaking Bad, if so, read the following article – it is relevant to your survive/live in an economy discussion…

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/the-greatness-of-breaking-bad-explained-20130922-2u7t6.html

  175. September 24, 2013 6:16 pm

    “the more dependent people are on government the less happy they are”

    Agreed!

    You only have to take a glance at the intergenerational bogans and their angry bitter sense of entitlement to get some insight into that lifestyle.

    Some people just shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:26 pm

    Re: Breaking Bad … ta,sreb, powerful stuff … and so true in reality! I suspect it ain’t free to air? If not It won’t hit our TV until it is … or a PB offering? 😉

    Reading that reminded me of my 12 months in PNG … and the overt corruption (in contrast to the covert corruption here) … and the personal attacks on my family – as a message to me …

  177. September 24, 2013 6:32 pm

    “I suspect it ain’t free to air?”

    I don’t think it is… A friend lent it to me on DVD.

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:35 pm

    “Well you called it an “attack” … “

    What you said was: “You really are a nasty peice of work … I feel for your children, I really do …” do you think I was wrong to call it an attack?

    Also you made no attempt to apologise, either then when I gave you the opportunity, or later when I raised the matter again.

    I only raised this issue when you got all righteous and complained about personal attacks as though you are a model of decorum. Sometimes you need reminding that you are no better than the rest of us when it comes down to it.

  179. September 24, 2013 6:41 pm

    Jeez, will you two get a room…. 🙄

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 6:56 pm

    Well my recollection is an apology, sb … and you have it … if I didn’t then, you have it now … I apologise …

    It is obviously grating on you – you keep a record … my nature is to move on …

    As for an attack … not quite in the vein of your recent comments aimed at me … no … and certainly not aimed at your (adult – if memory serves) children but you …

    In all honesty I thought we had “overcome” the “forming”, “storming” stages … wrong again I guess …

    Thank you for reminding me of my equal status … I feel dutifully humbled …

  181. September 24, 2013 6:58 pm

    I loooove breaking bad.

    One episode to go.

    Last weeks was one of the most intense ever .

    Highly recommended viewing.

  182. September 24, 2013 7:00 pm

    There’s no such thing as ‘wait for free to air’ if you have the internet.

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 7:05 pm

    Why thank you, TB. I appreciate it. It is just grate. 🙂

  184. September 24, 2013 7:08 pm

    where to watch on the interwebs boss…??

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2013 7:48 pm

    Sleep tight, sb …

  186. September 24, 2013 8:15 pm

    I’m not sure how to tell you in a public forum without self incrimination, reb. 😉

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 8:38 pm

    I don’t watch much TV let alone chase the stuff online, but persons knowledgeable in such matters suggest this place and a bit of experimentation therein.

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2013 8:40 pm

    Try this?

  189. September 24, 2013 8:46 pm

    emali me bro…

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2013 9:01 pm

    Then send it to me, please!

  191. egg permalink
    September 24, 2013 10:08 pm

    ‘The Abbott government plans a drastic overhaul of the higher education system, including axeing the compulsory fee collected by universities to support student services and scrapping Labor’s targets to lift participation by disadvantaged students.

    ‘A recent Grattan Institute report finding expenditure on the demand-driven system was expected to increase by nearly 45 per cent over eight years, costing more than $11 billion a year by 2017.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/christopher-pyne-reveals-university-shakeup-20130924-2ucag.html#ixzz2foLeaCAa

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2013 8:03 am

    The Abbott government plans a drastic overhaul of the higher education system, including axing the compulsory fee collected by universities to support student services and scrapping Labor’s targets to lift participation by disadvantaged students.

    (My bold)

    Typical tory approach … only the elite should have a tertiary education … back to the 60’s shite! 🙄

    So-o-o-o predictable … still you get what you vote for … and most didn’t see the hidden agendas coming … seven years is a lo-o-o-ong time in politics …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Off with the g/kids to the Science Centre … enjoy your day …

  193. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 8:11 am

    Bad is Good

    ‘But there is something more to Breaking Bad’s success – why it is drawing in audiences previously uninterested in gangsters and drug dealers and shoot ‘em up action. Why its audience numbers are refusing to taper – hitting record levels with 6.4 million watching last week’s episode ‘Ozymandias’ in the US.

    ‘The show resonates because Walter White’s journey towards moral annihilation describes, albeit in hyperbolic form, the experience awaiting anyone joining the modern workplace.’

  194. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 8:18 am

    ‘only the elite should have a tertiary education’

    Saving $11 billion a year, while at the same time encouraging full fee paying overseas students to flood the system, makes sound economic sense.

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2013 9:16 am

    So Shorten appeals “that we don’t want more messiahs”

    What a pathetic hypocrite he really is. He’s the one who used his position to specifically create the sense of messiahs in the ALP. Shorten is a dud, a hack a with a history of personal disloyalty.

    If the ALP decide he’s best to lead them, they’re gone.

  196. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 9:21 am

    Albo at least has a lively sense of humour and he’s also nuggety, worthwhile attributes for a Labor leader.

    ——-

    Uh oh ….. infrastructureinfrastrustureinfrastructure

    ‘PROTEST groups that stymie major infrastructure projects will be targeted as the Coalition seeks to speed up an $11.5 billion roads program and fight off fears of an economic slowdown.

    ‘Vowing to remove obstacles to new motorways, the Abbott government is launching talks with the states to examine environmental rules blamed for delaying projects that could boost the nation’s growth.’

    – See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/roadblocks-to-growth-projects-will-be-resisted/story-fn59niix-1226726524607#sthash.cyILB4Fq.dpuf

  197. IPA permalink
    September 25, 2013 11:58 am

    Apparently there are some Aussies (Oi!) sailing the US boat in the America’s Cup, and they’ve drawn level with the Kiwis on number of heats won. The Cup will be decided tomorrow.

    Oi, Oi, Oi!

  198. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 1:04 pm

    The skipper of the American yacht has a broad Australian accent, large shoulders, handsome appearance and a whimsical sense of humour.

    Oi Oi

  199. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 1:45 pm

    For some inexplicable reason I thought Abbott has a mandate, apparently not.

    guffaw

    https://newmatilda.com/2013/09/24/thirty-thousand-votes-and-abbotts-gone

  200. September 25, 2013 1:45 pm

    Fuck straya…

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2013 4:02 pm

    Saving $11 billion a year, while at the same time encouraging full fee paying overseas students to flood the system, makes sound economic sense.

    False economy again, egg … you’ve locked into the election cycle strategy very well and obviously prefer to survive in an economy rather than live in a society with well educated people from a range of socio-economic strata one of whom may be the next Einstein …

    Your strategy will see the genius who should have been educated, picking apples as an itinerant worker …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apparently there are some Aussies (Oi!) sailing the US boat in the America’s Cup, and they’ve drawn level with the Kiwis on number of heats won. The Cup will be decided tomorrow.

    Oi, Oi, Oi!

    Another example of how money now rules sport … so much for American prestige …

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2013 4:08 pm

    Interesting read @ newmatilda, egg … so we can safely say that Abbott & The Acolytes do not have a mandate to stuff up whatever is working … yeah …

    I reckon they can thanks Barnett and Noddy Newman for not polling as well as they expected in WA and Queensland …

    The Senate finals is going to be really interesting …

    Now I wonder what the result might have been if Rudd hadn’t been knifed in the first place??

  203. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 5:01 pm

    ‘…you’ve locked into the election cycle strategy very well and obviously prefer to survive in an economy rather than live in a society with well educated people from a range of socio-economic strata one of whom may be the next Einstein …’

    Forget class, concentrate on merit and the flood of intelligent young immigrants from India and China. This is our future in a large multicultural society.

    The government’s priority is to maintain and improve academic standards, even if it means pulling the rug out from under a potential Einstein. He was a hopeless student anyway, his flatmate went to the lectures and took notes while Albert stayed at home working on other stuff.

  204. Evil Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2013 5:36 pm

    “………….Interesting read @ newmatilda, egg ……….”

    Yes the Lefties are still in denial I see.

    I think you could say the same thing about just about any election landslide of seats. And their figures are 2PP not based on Primary.

    I think you can put that article in the same file as ……….”My Team Would Have Won the Grand Final if it had Scored 30 more points and not conceded 10 Extra Penalties”

  205. egg permalink
    September 25, 2013 5:48 pm

    ‘Interesting read @ newmatilda, egg …’

    I picked up the story as I passed the cafe, its top billing. Summo looks impressive.

  206. Evil Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2013 6:39 pm

    Actually egg the 2PP totals are currently LNP 6.45M to ALP 5.63M.

    The Lefties really are deluded. Now wonder the Budget is fucked if they cant even count.

    The Cafe Dwellers are truly fucked in the head deeply engrossed in denial and delusion.

    The Table to look at is at the bottom of the Virtual Tally Room page

    http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2013 7:17 pm

    Well I’m not in denial … the LibNits won … simple … but they didn’t actually win by enough to claim a NATIONAL mandate …

    My guess is that the 1960’s won’t appeal to the X Y etc (whatever they call ’em these days) generations …

    … and it would only take … what … 30,000 … yeah, what a landslide … its in the SEATS, Wally, not the total numbers … its not about the bottom line … its about numbers in the BOARDROOM …

    … the ALP candidate in my electorate (not a super star by any means!) lost by less than 1,000 votes …

    … and I’ve met my new LibNit member …

    I once told the Dickwit® to stop walking around on my lounge carpet in his filthy workboots while he was chatting on the phone, he’s a pest controller – he became a pest himself actually …

    … I eventually told him to piss off fired him (we had been a client of his old man for 20 years!)

    He’s a true blue Liberal, Dickwit® believe me … three years and he’ll be back to his sprays and potions …

  208. September 26, 2013 10:11 am

    “If only we could have another election”

    As far as blog thread headlines go, that’s about the most desperate & ignorant one I’ve ever seen.

    Determined to hang onto the tragic misconception that the ALP was robbed & would have won but for the evil conspiracy brought against it. 🙄

    Smacks of not graciously accepting the umpire’s decision; or, in this case, the will of the electorate.

    Can’t see the wood for the trees. While this kind of shameless partisan apologetics exists, the things which saw the ALP unceremoniously removed will continue to fester.

    It’s the kind of mentality you’d expect from the lower echelon of Bolt’s minions when the shoe’s on the other foot.

  209. September 26, 2013 10:14 am

    I don’t think Abbott has a mandate though…& governments who do believe such things overreach & draw ire.

    Having said that, the ALP would be foolish to pursue a carbon price in the wake of their defeat; in terms of realpolitik at least.

  210. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 10:52 am

    ‘the ALP would be foolish to pursue a carbon price’

    Albos electorate us full of young watermelons so he feels obliged, but I agree it would be foolish to pursue the matter.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 11:04 am

    Can’t see the wood for the trees. While this kind of shameless partisan apologetics exists, the things which saw the ALP unceremoniously removed will continue to fester.

    Toillete, you may remember this argument was the basis for me being labelled a right wing spy by a certain Farnham Bear (sreb and I also destroyed his journalism career between us)

    You can’t fix a problem if you don’t recognise it first …

    As for the carbon tax … I’m not sure it had the impact that is being claimed … I haven’t heard anyone actually say it has impacted on them at all …

  212. September 26, 2013 11:23 am

    “sreb and I also destroyed his journalism career between us”

    LOL! I had forgotten about that little gem… 😆

  213. September 26, 2013 11:34 am

    Yes, I remember, TB. Some individuals aren’t very open to there being alternative opinions to ‘toeing the Party line’.

    As for the carbon tax, I really think its impact was overstated too. So many people I’ve talked to since the election think that their electricity bills are about to plummet, with the removal of said tax.
    I’m astounded by their naivete. imo, the providers increased their rates for a variety of reasons which were obscured by all of the then Opposition’s clamour about a Big New Tax; the fog really benefited the likes of AGL etc. I suppose prices may drop a little, but not a significant amount. The days of cheap power are long gone.
    Anyone who thinks that there will be a remarkable drop in their cost of living with the abolition of the carbon tax has been HAD .

    In that respect, Abbott did a fine job of spooking the electorate. The scare is well permeated & will last.

    In SA at least, the privatisation fetish, and a subsequent unwillingness of the regulator to keep the providers rate increase claims in check, has far more to do with expensive electricity than the carbon tax.
    That & the subsidising of wind & solar, which came later. The rot had already set in.

    Can’t wait to start gouging back.

  214. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 1:31 pm

    Very small business has been particularly hard hit by this unnecessary increase in power bills, which can be blamed on jools.

  215. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 1:37 pm

    Also there is general agreement amongst my colleagues in the trade that power bills doubled a year ago, obviously a mix of the CO2 tax and renewable green machine.

  216. September 26, 2013 1:47 pm

    Obviously. 🙄

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2013 2:10 pm

    It is typical delusional behaviour – ‘if only 30,000 people voted differently, we would have won 15 seats by 1 vote’

    …meanwhile ignoring the fact that if an extra 30,000 had gone the other way in marginal ALP seats they would probably have half or less in the HoR.

    Wishing for an election one week into a new government represents a new record in delusional wishful thinking.

    Gillard was a particularly inept and dishonest politician, supported by the blustering incompetent deputy Swan. Rudd’s varnish could only cover so much of the rotten legacy.

    But how humbling it is for the ALP to be forced to choose between Albanese and Shorten.

  218. September 26, 2013 2:16 pm

    The Australian is backing Shorten..

    Hilarious!

    Go Bill!!

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 26, 2013 2:24 pm

    That can only mean one thing about Shorten – The Australian has evidence that he was rooting his staffer and they intend to milk the story once he’s leader considers him to be a man of impeccable integrity.

  220. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 2:37 pm

    ‘Obviously.’

    It seemed obvious to very small business who were not compensated, unlike big business and low income people. This was a tactical error on jools part and I was pissed off when she gave me $1.50 to compensate.

  221. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 3:34 pm

    ‘I suppose prices may drop a little, but not a significant amount. The days of cheap power are long gone.’

    They will drop $500 a year, according to Abbott, and I strongly disagree that the days of cheap power are over. As discussed previously, the fracking gas revolution in the US will eventually spread worldwide and make energy cheaper.

    I saw an article recently where the fracking was so out of control in the US that it drove prices lower to a point where it became uneconomic to drill new holes. The beauty of a universal free market, based simply on supply and demand, is that we can all benefit.

  222. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 3:58 pm

    In the UK they have a similar problem and plan a price fix.

    ‘Shares in leading energy firms dropped by up to five per cent today as the markets reacted to Labour’s 1970s-style plan to freeze power bills.

    ‘Energy firms said capping prices would halt the investment needed to avoid blackouts and lead to gas and electricity shortages.’

    ‘But Labour leader Ed Miliband today dismissed the ‘scare stories’ which he claimed were being pedalled by the firms which have been overcharging people for years.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2431073/Ed-Milibands-speech-revives-70s-socialism-Fixing-energy-prices-boosting-minimum-wage-.html#ixzz2fyX6ppVi
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  223. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 4:48 pm

    … and I was pissed off when she gave me $1.50 to compensate.

    LOL! I wasn’t real happy about you receiving a $900 handout when we received nothing AND watched the capital we survive on disappear …

  224. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 4:51 pm

    I didn’t get that $900 either, but saw heaps of other working class lads pissing it up against the wall. The publican on the corner was overjoyed.

  225. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 4:55 pm

    As we are talking energy, Miglo has a climate change post up, but only mentions renewables.

    He fails to see the elephant in the room.

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 5:01 pm

    ***I didn’t get that $900 either**

    I thought you ran a small business? Don’t you pay tax?

  227. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 5:08 pm

    We try and avoid paying tax, legitimately, so that’s probably why I slipped under the radar.

    Meanwhile, the Palmer Party will be a significant player in the Senate.

    ‘The win for the Palmer United Party’s Jacqui Lambie, by 244 votes, means Mr Palmer’s party now looks sure to have two Senate seats. Rugby League great Glenn Lazarus claimed a seat in Queensland for Mr Palmer.

    ‘The commission is yet to allocate Senate preferences in other states. ABC election analyst Antony Green’s Senate calculator predicts the Coalition will hold 33 seats in the 76-seat Senate, which will come into operation in June.

    ‘That would mean it needs six votes from the probable eight independents to muster the 39 votes required to pass legislation, including the abolition of the carbon and mining taxes, industrial relations changes, paid parental leave and changes to the national broadband network roll-out, if the current Senate blocks its legislation.’

    Daley & Dunckley /Fin Review

  228. IPA permalink
    September 26, 2013 5:24 pm

    Ian Macfarlane seems to be pro-fracking, but there are plenty of competing interests, with farmers and horse breeders two groups that don’t want it in their back-yard. It would be a completely different story if, like in the US, landholders owned the recources deep underground.

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 6:02 pm

    Are you pro-fracking, IPA?

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 6:05 pm

    Antony Green’s Senate calculator predicts the Coalition will hold 33 seats in the 76-seat Senate, which will come into operation in June.

    Some consolation … but I suspect it will be a rag tag bunch of recalcitrants in amongst the majors … whu ooo! I luv democracy!

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 6:06 pm

    Correction: I luv correction done right Aussie style … fk you Rupert!

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2013 6:07 pm

    Pardon: Correction v 2.0: I luv democracy done right, Aussie style … fk you Rupert!

  233. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 6:27 pm

    The anti fracking crowd is being marginalised.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=909584

  234. IPA permalink
    September 26, 2013 7:16 pm

    Yes.

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2013 8:14 pm

    Alan Jones on 2GB has strong arguments against fracking. He appears to be worried about the water table being contaminated.

  236. egg permalink
    September 26, 2013 8:30 pm

    Fracking under agricultural land is a worry, that’s why Ag Minister Barnaby Joyce is siding with the Greens on this issue.

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 27, 2013 1:17 am

    What i do not understand is that i thought we had lots of gas. You know LPG from WA.

    Why do we need to frack when we have so much gas elsewhere??

  238. egg permalink
    September 27, 2013 7:43 am

    We don’t really need fracking in Oz because we have an abundance of natural gas and coal. Its more to do with multinationals fighting over the spoils.

    The PM and Ag Minister are both aware that its not in their political interest or Australia’s commercial interest to pursue fracking on agricultural land, even if its safe to do so.

  239. IPA permalink
    September 27, 2013 7:55 am

    A major reason fracking has boomed across the US is that owners of agricultural land can do the sums and choose farming, or fracking, or both, based on their own self-interest.

    “When it comes to property rights, the United States is special. As an individual, Americans are guaranteed the right to own the minerals beneath the land. No other country allows its citizens to own the minerals beneath the land.”

  240. egg permalink
    September 27, 2013 8:05 am

    Yeah, that’s amazing IPA, clearly its a different ball game for the yanks.

    In other local nooze————— Infrastructureinfrastructureinfrastructure

    ‘THE federal government will overhaul its peak infrastructure agency to lure more private investment into new construction under ambitious plans that include the use of commonwealth debt to fund major projects.

    ‘The government is drafting laws to support a nationwide building program that could see new types of “infrastructure bonds” issued to end a finance shortage that is holding back work. The proposals reshape the national debate on government debt as economists urge political leaders to use bonds to fund projects that not only generate a return on investment but also add to economic growth.’

    David Crowe/Oz

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 27, 2013 9:58 am

    It’s great to see the Greens ripping themselves apart. Milne, 6 people go, including her chief offsider, but this is just routine.

    The Greens are returning to their natural habitat – rabble.

  242. September 27, 2013 10:51 am

    “It’s great to see the Greens ripping themselves apart. “

    It’s hilarious!

    They lost one million voters at the election and Christine Milne calls this “a success…”

    The only people who thinks she’s doing a good job is that other sanctimonious whinger Sarah Hanson-Young, and well herself…

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    September 27, 2013 10:52 am

    (ToSY – Yes) You probably don’t get out into farming country much – a pure guess …

    … fracking isn’t just a business proposition (ie gas or farms)… the process can literally ruin people’s lives and destroy outback towns …

    … there is very strong scientific evidence (and conclusive anecdotal evidence0 that fracking damages/destroys water tables … fresh water is far more valuable than gas … particularly in Australia …

    Artesian water is the lifeblood of this country and a couple of misjudged applications of fracking could see us all in trouble …the process is irreversible …

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    September 27, 2013 10:59 am

    Had to laugh this morning on my walk … an hour is a long time in my life to do nothing “constructive’ and walking is NOT my favourite pastime … so I either problem solve, plan “stuff”, or check out number plates for interesting/odd combinations … (in Queensland people can personalise plate for a ridiculously exorbitant extra fee) …

    … this morning a car came towards me with … XXX REB on the plate … within 30 seconds one passed me and I glanced up from my musings and saw … LE CAFE …

    How mightily hilarity .. one thought …

  245. September 27, 2013 10:59 am

    Mr Abbott said there had been a “couple of hundred” asylum seeker arrivals on boats since the government was sworn in, but he didn’t have exact numbers…..

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/27/boats-will-be-passing-irritant-pm

  246. September 27, 2013 11:00 am

    “XXX REB”

    😆

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 27, 2013 1:11 pm

    Greens with Milne as leader. Libs with Abbott, ALP – Shorten or Albanese.

    It’s hopeless that this is the best the country can come up with.

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 27, 2013 1:50 pm

    “XXX REB”

    Must be a size Queen?

  249. September 27, 2013 1:54 pm

    LOL @ Bottom

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    September 27, 2013 2:44 pm

    … but he didn’t have exact numbers…..

    Its going to be interesting when he gets to the budget then … 🙄

  251. Walrus permalink
    September 30, 2013 5:35 pm

    I see ToM has finally been outed with Fifi and Lulu

    What would Cory Bernardi do ?

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/davecat-tells-how-he-married-a-realdoll-named-sidore-kuroneko/story-fnet09p2-1226729924053

  252. September 30, 2013 6:01 pm

    “Part of the appeal of being with a doll seems to be her constant agreeable nature.”

    I think you could be on to something there Walrus.

  253. egg permalink
    September 30, 2013 6:17 pm

    ‘…he had always been in love with various types of artificial women.’

    Lol

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