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Australia’s Environment Minister gets his Bushfire “facts” from Wikipedia

October 24, 2013

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  • Abbott Government at odds with scientists and researchers over climate change
  • Bushfire crisis not the result of climate change, it’s the result of hotter weather says Environment Minister
  • Environment Minister turned to Wikipedia to get “facts” on bushfires

As the Australian Bushfire Crisis makes headlines around the globe, the Australian Government’s Environment Minister Greg Hunt has launched a scathing attack on research that suggests a correlation between the effects of climate change and the current bushfire emergency, saying he had ”looked up what Wikipedia” said and it was clear that bushfires in Australia were frequent events that had occurred during hotter months before.

“It’s not the result of climate change, it’s the result of hotter weather” he said.

Since the 1980’s, scientists and researchers around the world have predicted that climate change would lead to dramatic changes in weather patterns including greater frequency and volatility in storms and bushfires.

Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott is a self-professed climate change sceptic and immediately scrapped the country’s Climate Change Commission when he came to power earlier this year.  His government also intends to scrap the former government’s carbon price mechanism; a model introduced to reduce carbon emissions from large polluters.

The head of the UN’s climate change negotiations, Christiana Figueres, and former US vice-president and climate change activist Al Gore have also weighed into the debate with both criticising the Abbott government over its moves to scrap the carbon price.

They also said the evidence was clear that extreme weather would be more frequent as the planet warmed.

However Tony Abbott rejected Ms Figueres’ assessment that a clear link existed between bushfires and climate change.

”I think she’s talking out of her hat” he said yesterday

“These fires are certainly not a function of climate change – they’re just a function of life in Australia” he said.

On Monday, Ms Figueres had told CNN that the Coalition government would pay a high political and financial price for its decision to scrap carbon pricing.

“What is absolutely clear is the science is telling us that there are increasing heat waves in Asia, Europe, and Australia; that these will continue; that they will continue in their intensity and in their frequency,” Ms Figueres said.

”Climate change is known to alter the likelihood of increased wildfire sizes and frequencies,” she said.

Mr Gore said the Abbott government shouldn’t bend to the will of ”special interests” groups, which dismiss climate science evidence.

”It reminds me of politicians here in the United States who got a lot of support from the tobacco companies and who argued to the public that there was absolutely no connection between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer,” Mr Gore said.

‘For 40 years tobacco companies were able to persuade compliant politicians within their grip to tell the public what they wanted them to tell them.”

While Mr Gore, a Nobel Prize-winning climate change activist, did accept bushfires were natural occurrences, he said they would be much worse in a world with high temperatures, dried out soil and vegetation.

”Wildfires become more pervasive and dangerous,” he said.

In April the government’s own Climate Commission, using research from CSIRO and BoM, warned climate change was already increasing the intensity and frequency of extreme weather.

The commission, abolished by the Abbott government last month, said there was a high risk these extreme events would worsen in coming decades and Australia was particularly susceptible.

The latest major report from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) also warned that allowing global temperatures to rise above two degrees risked more extreme weather events.

 

 

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  1. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2013 11:12 am

    Who to believe … Stan Laurel (see photo) or the UN …

    I do remember the argument that climate is not the weather by the CC advocates … but now the CC advocates are saying that climate is the weather?

    Confusing …

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2013 11:59 am

    Well, apparently some of the fires were started by the army practising bombing, another by some juvenile delinquents.

    Did climate change send them mad?

  3. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 12:30 pm

    Sack Hunt, he’s a fkn idjit.

  4. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 12:38 pm

    Climate is 30 years of weather, technically speaking, but kitchen table scientists think a 15 year trend is significant.

    Replace Hunt with Jensen, better sooner than later.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2013 12:40 pm

    Sack Hunt, he’s a fkn idjit.

    I second, third and fourth that!

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 24, 2013 1:14 pm

    “For 40 years tobacco companies were able to persuade compliant politicians within their grip to tell the public what they wanted them to tell them.”

    He should know:

    Six years after Vice President Al Gore’s older sister died of lung cancer in 1984, he was still accepting campaign contributions from tobacco interests. Four years after she died, while campaigning for President in North Carolina, he boasted of his experiences in the tobacco fields and curing barns of his native Tennessee. And it took several years after Nancy Gore Hunger’s death for Mr. Gore and his parents to stop growing tobacco on their own farms in Carthage, Tenn.

    Gore is someone who has profited mightily from scaring people witless about global warming yet, like so many celebrity climate activists, he seems unable to curb his lifestyle in the same manner he prescribes for others.

    “In April the government’s own Climate Commission, using research from CSIRO and BoM, warned climate change was already increasing the intensity and frequency of extreme weather.”

    Who would have thought that Flannery, with his record of hysterical exaggeration, would try to scare us like that?

    The scaremongers need a good kicking over their stupid comments regarding the latest bushfires. Funnily enough they don’t seem too interested in the most obvious cause of the fires – the accumulation of grasses, undergrowth and other bushfire fuels. Nor do they talk about the reasons the fuel has accumulated so much recently, not least of which the ample rains of the last two years, rains the alarmists predicted would not come again due to AGW induced drought. Nor do they mention the policies which limit the amount of burning off which is the sane way to limit the damage of bushfires.

    Then there was the initial comment that these type of fires come later in the year than October. Haven’t heard that one repeated since people went back and checked the record and discovered that, yes, there were major bushfires in October in the 1920s, 1940s and 1950s.

    Then we have that ignorant idiot from the UN, Christiana Figueres, saying that “there was a clear link between climate change and bushfires such as those raging in New South Wales”. Perhaps she could say what that clear link is and how she decided that the fires were caused by climate change and not other factors. Like Adam Bandt she is just an glib ghoul trying to use a tragedy to advance her political agenda. Every time we have an extreme weather event some dumb muppet jumps up and mouths off about global warming. And every time their wild claims about the unprecedented nature of a particular event crumble under the scrutiny of the historic record.

  7. October 24, 2013 2:03 pm

    Basically all those climate scientists have been taking the piss and using all their grant money to attend each others’ weddings.

  8. IPA permalink
    October 24, 2013 2:38 pm

    These fires started right around the time Abbott sacked Gillard’s Climate Commission. You don’t need to be a climate scientist to see the correlation, but it helps.

  9. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 2:38 pm

    Hunt spoke to Christiana, probably on Abbott’s behest, but she stuck to her guns. He’s such a wimp.

    He could have said bushfires have been a regular part of the Australian landscape ever since humans arrived.

    Before then lighting strikes would have been the only cause, but it was the first immigrants, with their firestick mentality, which saw eucalypts become dominant.

    Over 60,000 years their camping areas and walking tracks were cleared of flammable deadwood, for their campfires, so they naturally became survivors.

    From a climate perspective the Blue Mountains bushfires of the late 1960s happened during a time when world temperatures were falling and they thought we were heading into a mini ice age. Just sayin…

  10. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 2:41 pm

    Much amusement IPA.

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:06 pm

    If we saw bushfires in Alaska, I’d start thinking about climate change as a factor. In Australia after a couple of years of good rain, when fuel levels are high I might check out other factors rather than leaping to the first conclusion that supports the AGW political agenda.

    The modus operandi of the AGW alarmists is to screech hard, shut down critical discussion and scream for action now. That is exactly what is happening here. It is playing out before our eyes.

    A rational person would take into account views like these:

    leading bushfire experts said it was ridiculous to link the current crisis to climate change when the most recent major report from the UN’s own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the world’s weather had warmed by just 0.89C since the start of the 20th century.

    “If there is any global warming, the global warming is so slow and so small the bushfire event is totally overrun by the fuel state,” retired Monash University researcher David Packham said.

    He said reducing fuel loads in the Australian bush is what was urgently needed.

    Research by Phil Cheney, a former head of CSIRO Bushfire Research, has found “the effect of (increasing temperatures forecast by the IPCC) on bushfire behaviour, by itself, will be trivial”.

    “Fire intensity is far more significantly affected by fuel quantity, fuel dryness and wind strength than it is by temperature,” he said.

    In November 1957, bushfires driven by gale-force winds destroyed 25 homes, shops, schools, a church and a hospital in the Blue Mountains, and four young men died.

    Local resident John Macgregor-Skinner, who was part of the 1957 fire-fighting effort, said yesterday it had been 5 degrees hotter then. “The Greens might try to blame Tony Abbott but in reality the blame is firmly in their court with their continued obstruction to planned widespread hazard reduction.”

    I heard a hilarious report on the BBC last night, all hand-ringing pants-wetting concern from an aggressive interviewer trying to stitch up Greg Hunt and a correspondent on the ground in Katoomba who was completely flummoxed by the fact that the locals didn’t seem to want to blame global warming for their woes. The chances of the BBC or any other Klimatariat compliant news organisations giving any prominence to non-Kilimatariat approved views is virtually nil.

    The scare campaign is prosecuted by ignoring differing views and piling on the AGW dogma. There is no semblance of weighing up competing views or even standing back and thinking hard about our history of bushfires. That kind of considered reporting is lost in the rush of the scare campaign. In this regard the BBC, the ABC and Fairfax are no better than the most hysterical tabloids.

  12. BBC World Service permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:22 pm

    Don’t you dare invite ME on international radio and swear at ME!

    http://m.soundcloud.com/bbc-world-service/newshour-could-australian-bush

  13. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:28 pm

    Tony Wright tells a good story.

    ‘Anyone with an internet connection can look up Greg Hunt on Wikipedia.

    ‘The entry for a few delicious minutes on Thursday included the following pearl: “Since the 2013 election, Hunt has become the Minister for the Environment. He has already proven to be terrible at his job, to no surprise”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/wikipedias-verdict-on-greg-hunt-terrible-at-his-job-20131024-2w34y.html#ixzz2ibt64CIE

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:37 pm

    Yes, that is the interview. I think Hunt did well trying to set the hectoring harridan straight. She wasn’t listening though. Perhaps you have a link to an ABC or BBC interview where the same bombastic tone is taken to AGW alarmist interviewees?

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:42 pm

    That is not a good story, Egg. It is juvenile, even for the Age.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:53 pm

    LOL! @ the whole thread! Nobody fkn knows!

    And if we are “suffering” CC then stupid scare campaigns won’t help one bit … wasn’t it home that was lit up every night like Crystal Palace?

    🙄 🙄

    Hunt is still a dopey little Fuckwit™ …

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2013 3:55 pm

    I hear the interview, she didn’t seem very polite for a BBC joiurnalist.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2013 4:01 pm

    “heard”

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2013 4:19 pm

    It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious … most Americans have no idea where Australia is anyway!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/american-network-nbc-publishes-map-showing-the-whole-of-australia-is-on-fire-oops/story-e6frfrnr-1226746114107

  20. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 4:41 pm

    ‘It is juvenile, even for the Age.’

    I beg to differ, Wright is trying to expose this dill and force Abbott’s hand. Hunt is the wrong person for the job and Dennis Jensen should replace him.

    Hunt still believes CO2 is a pollutant.

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 24, 2013 4:56 pm

    I would certainly prefer Jensen to Hunt for the job. Wright’s piece was ineffective, mainly because it was so juvenile.

  22. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 6:27 pm

    Yep, I’ll pay that.

  23. egg permalink
    October 24, 2013 7:17 pm

    ‘After interviewing Hunt, the BBC spoke to Professor Roger Jones from Victoria University, who took the same history of disastrous Australian bushfires Abbott had listed to make his “it’s all part of the Australian experience” argument and pointed out how many years had elapsed between them.

    “Twenty-nine years, 14, 11, nine, six, four … you might detect a pattern in that in that the gap between the fires is getting shorter,” he noted.

    Taylor in the Guardian

    Its an opinion piece, but the inference is that global warming is having an effect, when in fact its mostly stupid people lighting fires.

    Taylor is preaching to the converted, but lacks journalistic credibility.

  24. October 25, 2013 12:17 am

    It’s been a wonderful day over at his wiki page Endless amusement looking back through the 33 edits to Greg Hunt’s Wiki page today ….
    Its a great sport and the bane of Liberal party staffers, it keeps them tied up for hours, they write propaganda, and certain naughty people edit either with a cracker or just subtlety… it just gets funnier and funnier especially when Hunt rhymes with Cunt.

    Among the highlights today was a Scott Morrison entry on the Abbott government page, a favorite of the Abbott fan club….This is just comic genius and stayed there for most of the day…

    “As an unexpected reaction to his policies, Scott Morrison is regularly vomited on by all members of the public and even some in his own Party. When asked about whether launching such inhumane and shameful policies was worth being constantly drenched in vomited up carrots and bile, Morrison replied “This is me, baby! You can’t stop the Scotty Express!”. Obviously high from the concoction of asylum seeker blood and baby souls which he consumes daily, Morrison proceeded to rip off his suit and fornicate with a pot plant. Such incidents have become the norm from Morrison as the pressure of being a soulless liar and a progenitor of the new Australian dark age have clearly began to take their toll.”

  25. October 25, 2013 12:19 am

    Love this one

  26. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:01 am

    Its really amazing how many ignorant people believe these bushfires have been caused by human induced global warming.

    It some respects its understandable, with all branches of the ABC pushing that line of thinking, so aunty needs to be dismantled for spreading propaganda.

  27. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:28 am

    Tont Abbott is part of the community, a sincere and modest fellow.

    ‘For the past 13 years I have been privileged to serve in the Davidson Brigade with highly trained men and women who will always have my back, as I will have theirs.

    ‘I intend to continue to serve with the brigade. Protecting homes and communities would be all the more difficult without the commitment of Rural Fire Brigade volunteers from across the country.

    ‘If it’s right for citizens from all walks of life to be involved, it can hardly be wrong for a prime minister, likewise, to do what he can to help.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/brave-hearts-cool-heads-will-guide-us-through-long-hot-summer-ahead-20131024-2w4a4.html#ixzz2ig2YujIp

  28. October 25, 2013 9:06 am

    1: Firstly Egg, 🙄 You’re taking the Piss? Surely? No…????
    2: Secondly…Abbott Sincere and modest…. that’s piss funny ..see one

  29. October 25, 2013 9:09 am
  30. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 25, 2013 9:14 am

    “If it’s right for citizens from all walks of life to be involved, it can hardly be wrong for a prime minister, likewise, to do what he can to help.”

    This is something Labor and the left will never understand. We have had 6 years of a government built on spin, on seeming rather than doing. When someone actually gets off his or her arse and does something the ignorant posturing frauds will always be there, in their trendy cafes and at their soirees, to mock and to belittle and to sneer. Such is the intelligentsia these days – a plague of chirruping cockroaches ostentatiously strutting their exquisite consciences without even the slightest sense of of their pathetic ridiculousness.

  31. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 9:27 am

    Ricky our supreme leader is not infallible and needs ongoing coaching, just like the rest of us.

    Abbott is sincere and modest, I kid you not.

  32. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 9:53 am

    Andrew Bolt interviews Tony Abbott.

    AB: The ABC, though, has run on almost every current affairs show an almost constant barrage of stuff linking climate change to these fires.

    PM: That is complete hogwash.

    AB: It is time to really question the bias of the ABC?

    PM: But people are always questioning the “bias” of the ABC.

    AB: Yes, but you’re the bloke that is handing over $1.1 billion a year to the ABC to continue a bias that’s against their charter.

    PM: If we were starting from scratch we may not have the media landscape that we do, but we’re not starting from scratch … The ABC is an important part of a pluralistic media landscape, and I’m not going to complain about it, Andrew. I will do what I can to ensure the ABC is well managed, has got a good board, a strong board, and …

    AB: But would you agree that the bias of the ABC, as observed even by former ABC chairman Maurice Newman, is in breach of its charter?

    PM: I would say that there tends to be an ABC view of the world, and it’s not a view of the world that I find myself in total sympathy with. But, others would say that there’s a News Limited view of the world.

    AB: Taxpayers don’t pay News Limited.

    PM: But I’m a conservative, I’m a traditionalist. I’m not persuaded that we need radical change here.

  33. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 10:13 am

    ‘CLAIMS of “political favours” have enveloped one of the ABC’s most senior political commentators following revelations he was secretly appointed to a government board just hours before the election caretaker period kicked in.

    ‘The host of the ABC’s Insiders program, Barrie Cassidy, was installed as chairman of the Old Parliament House Advisory Council by then arts minister Tony Burke on Monday, August 5, the day after the federal election was called.’

    – See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labors-secret-job-offer-for-barrie-cassidy/story-fn59niix-1226744869768#sthash.JyFhP5s0.dpuf

  34. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 25, 2013 10:30 am

    Political appointments (even unpaid) for reliable old trusties are nothing new in Unionland. Very convenient it wasn’t announced during the election campaign, though. All we get is another ‘dog ate my homework’ excuse from Burke: “I thought it would have been announced by the department.” Also he could not recall who put Cassidy’s name forward. I am sure Cassidy will be a good and loyal servant of the Unionland crime gang, just as he is in his role at the ABC.

  35. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 10:50 am

    Abbott’s strategy is to leave the ABC alone and I concede this is probably best. He is fully aware that a debate is looming on climate change and aunty, along with SBS and Fairfax, are going to have egg on their faces.

    The physics is undeniable and the future is relatively clear, so prepare for a heated discussion on science, politics and mass delusion.

  36. October 25, 2013 1:40 pm

    Fuck you guys talk shit ..seriously get a grip..conservatives think everybody is out to get them, truth is they are..you live in the free market shark pond world of make believe and divvying up the spoils from squeezing the juice out of everything instead of growing it…wake up and fucking build something instead of buying it, gutting it and bullshitting about it…

  37. October 25, 2013 1:42 pm

    Hear Hear!

  38. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 1:47 pm

    ‘wake up and fucking build something’

    Badgery’s Creek would be a good start.

  39. October 25, 2013 2:05 pm

    What so you can sell that too 🙄

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2013 2:38 pm

    What, Richard said … 🙂

  41. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 2:42 pm

    Leasing would be a better arrangement.

  42. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 3:10 pm

    ‘The Abbott government is expected to make a provision for a new airport at the site west of the city in its first budget in May, although the amount allocated is unknown.

    ‘As a result, once theoretical discussions about a second airport have turned to more practical matters like operating fees, transport links and state government support. There is an expectation within the Coalition that NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell will ultimately drop his opposition to Badgerys Creek to bring him in line with his federal counterparts.

    ‘Scott Charlton, the chief executive of toll road operator Transurban, indicated it would be important for the state to support the development because of the need for surrounding rail, road and fuel pipeline infrastructure.

    “The infrastructure to get people there is usually a multiple of the cost of the airport itself,” said Mr Charlton.’

    Freed and Coorey Fin Review

    Buy Barry’s Bonds

  43. October 25, 2013 5:03 pm

    If the harbour bridge was built by the Fiberal party,

    They would have 600 enquiries spending 7 billion on Price Coopers consultants to tell them what is bleatingly obvious.

    It would be to replace the perfectly good working one built by Labor that they sold to developers who ripped it down, spreading asbestos everywhere with a carbon footprint equal to china’s total output, who dissolved the company off shore so as not to have to pay compo.

    They would use proprietary non scalable technology built from imported paperclips, perkins paste , rainforest paper and padel pop sticks on the never never plan financed by Macquarie bank and erected by 457’s in an economic exclusion zone around the site.

    They would blame the unions for making them do it because it was too expensive and not viable if they paid over a bowl of rice a day for share holders who they gave a tax exclusion that was 500% depreciable at a press conference whist wrapped in Australian flags singing god save the queen

    The contract would be an open tender at a fiberal fundraiser where paper bags full of political donated, non disclosed gifts and polaroids of compromised front bench closets fornicating under age goats would change hands in good faith.

    They would brag about it for eons, then when labor had to tear it down complain about what a terrible waste it was because it wasn’t their idea in the first place as it didn’t all happen in this financial year.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2013 5:49 pm

    Are the Libs building a new harbour bridge?*

    Well they are building something then* … 😯

    One lane or two?*

  45. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 5:58 pm

    ‘Dismantling the Sydney Harbour Bridge and floating in a new double-deck version built overseas sounds like a plan hatched over beers at the pub. But one man says it should be reality.

    ‘Former federal Liberal MP Ross Cameron approached the state government with the radical proposal, which he says would solve Sydney’s worst transit ”choke point”.

    ‘Even better, it could be built using Chinese labour, at a fraction of the cost of the proposed $10 billion second harbour rail crossing, Mr Cameron says.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/visionary-spruiks-floating-bridge-plan-20130629-2p3vc.html#ixzz2iiMcGnEN

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2013 6:38 pm

    Build a fkn TUNNEL! Noddy Newman built a quite a few in Brisbane (he’s an army engineer dontcah know!) another fkn stoopid flop!

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 25, 2013 7:00 pm

    …He is fully aware that a debate is looming on climate change and aunty, along with SBS and Fairfax, are going to have egg on their faces….

    What debate? The public will be taken hostage, as they were when the vested interests wanted a change of government, there will be no genuine debate.
    Abbott and his motley crew owe their jobs to reinhart, murdoch, twiggy, clive and their megaphones [jones, bolt akerman, IPA etc]. The IOUs were called in when they came to power, they, the coalition and the lobby brigade will do their level best to push shit up hill change public opinion. Even if they don’t change opinion and do become an international laughing stock, they will still do the bidding of their puppet masters.

    Who cares what the public, the scientists and academics say, vested the big polluters own this government, own this country and australia can burn at the altar of $$$$$$$$ for a few billionaires and their minions.

    Besides the miners are all busy entering parliament, creating their own political parties, buying up TV stations and ‘used to be independent’ media in the country to ensure that australians will only hear what they want them to.

  48. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 7:23 pm

    CO2 is not a pollutant, the science is settled.

  49. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 7:33 pm

    Tony Sheldon makes an interesting comparison.

    ‘One necessary reform, he said, was boosting the union voice so members had as much say in the party’s leadership as caucus and party members.

    “Without continuing union representation Labor risks becoming a pale imitation of the US Democratic Party, which today is so dominated by the opinions of an educated and wealthy elite that it is incapable of ever redressing the shocking inequalities that bedevil its people.”

    AAP

  50. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 7:39 pm

    ‘What debate?’

    Its the debate we’ll have if Labor frustrates Abbott’s ambition to dismantle the whole apparatus.

  51. October 25, 2013 8:04 pm

    Fuck I hope the Drugs Egg is on aren’t on the PBS, he’s high on rhetorical denial and propaganda fumes.. The Fiberal party would say anything to get and stay elected… you may notice this Humpty dumpty makes a statement and answers the question he asked himself… scary shit…..

    TB ..who needs lanes? its the fiberals just one big right hand turn that arrives at the same place…nowhere

  52. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:19 pm

    ‘rhetorical denial’

    That’s funny.

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:26 pm

    … you may notice this Humpty dumpty makes a statement and answers the question he asked himself… scary shit…..

    gives himself another chance to try and spread his denial propaganda, it’s become a grand obsession with him, this thread must have been a dogsend for him to gallop out of the padded back room [nice one reb 😉 ]

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:34 pm

    BREAKING: More example of Abbott being coached during an interview via an earpiece…

    Breathe, tony breathe, slow and deep, don’t panic, you are in friendly territory. No hard questions, it’s not the ABC.

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:36 pm

    TB ..who needs lanes?

    Dear me Richard … this is TDT we do sarcasm here really well! look for the **********

    you may notice this Humpty dumpty makes a statement and answers the question he asked himself… scary shit…..

    Did he learn this from Rudd … when he supported him …

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 25, 2013 8:47 pm

    CO2 is not a pollutant, the science is settled.

    That’s an outright lie, but that has never stopped you.

  57. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 9:04 pm

    ‘this thread must have been a dogsend for him to gallop out of the padded back room [nice one reb’

    That’s classic …

  58. October 25, 2013 9:17 pm

    Please don’t flatter me egg.

    I’m not on “your side”.

  59. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 9:20 pm

    ‘That’s an outright lie, but that has never stopped you.’

    Did you hear about the hiatus? It appears CO2 is innocent of the charge.

    For your edification, global warming stopped at the end of last century and now we have entered a cooling phase. Carbon dioxide is not a driver of climate, so you’ll have to find some other industrial pollutant to blame for dampening temperatures.

    Aerosols are good.

  60. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 9:22 pm

    ‘I’m not on “your side”.’

    That’s fairly obvious, I was amused by Kitty’s use of the language. A colourful way of writing.

  61. October 25, 2013 9:42 pm

    Good for you egg, good for you.

  62. October 25, 2013 10:34 pm

    Who the fuck is Richard is what I want to know? Grey eggs are not very appatising especially poached with co2

  63. egg permalink
    October 25, 2013 10:58 pm

    Anecdotal evidence around my way is that cows urine makes for juicy lemons.

  64. egg permalink
    October 26, 2013 9:14 am

    “Continuing to deny that the ferocious bushfires that have resulted in deaths and heartache for thousands have anything to do with global warming is foolish, but tearing down action to address it is negligent.

    “The weight of scientific evidence is immense, paralleled only by the climate hogwash of our prime minister in conversation with Andrew Bolt.”

    Christina Milne

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2013 12:52 pm

    Who the fuck is Richard is what I want to know?

    Chuckle … 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Anecdotal evidence around my way is that cows urine makes for juicy lemons.

    Not just cows, egg … 😉

    Should that be Christine, egg? She could be living in an egg if that’s the case … what an awful thought for you … 😯

  66. egg permalink
    October 26, 2013 3:10 pm

    double chuckle

  67. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 26, 2013 8:42 pm

    Ricky Pann……

    If the harbour bridge was built by the Fiberal party,

    They would have 600 enquiries spending 7 billion on Price Coopers consultants to tell them what is bleatingly obvious.

    It would be to replace the perfectly good working one built by Labor that they sold to developers who ripped it down, spreading asbestos everywhere with a carbon footprint equal to china’s total output, who dissolved the company off shore so as not to have to pay compo.

    The current Sydney Harbour Bridge wasn’t built by Labor, although they did come to power in time for the opening.

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2013 9:01 pm

    The current Sydney Harbour Bridge wasn’t built by Labor, although they did come to power in time for the opening.

    One of the rareties then … Noddy Newman will take a bow for Anna bLie’s initiatives too ..

    Just like Abbott and Morrison claim “achievement” for stopping the boats in “50 days” … GMAFB!

    Abbott & The Acolytes might think he is the Messiah … but most of us are a bit more practically minded …

  69. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 26, 2013 9:45 pm

    I think there’s a reasonable argument that says the Abbott Government is to be taken more seriously than it’s predecessor by the people smugglers. They could hardly be taken less seriously.

  70. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 26, 2013 9:47 pm

    They’re building a tunnel down here, TB. The lefties are going crazy about it. Some of the latte set are being forced to sell their homes. Jon Faine just missed out on the cut so his inner city terrace will be next door. He’s livid. He’s an IMBY.

  71. October 26, 2013 10:17 pm

    “They’re building a tunnel down here, TB. The lefties are going crazy about it. “

    *sigh*

    The so-called “lefties” just thought it would be money better spent on public transport rather than another road that just keeps more cars on the road.

    The so-called right wing conservatives struggle with concepts like “public transport.”

    Presumably because it’s beneath them…

    And of course…

    Dog will provide, don’t ya know…. 🙄

  72. Ol' Sancty permalink
    October 26, 2013 10:52 pm

    I was kinda being funny given TB reckons the Libs don’t build anything. But I’ll be sure next time the Father in Law wants to send cattle to Footscray to tell him to put them on a bus to Cranbourne, then a train to the city, then another out to Footscray. And try to avoid the peak.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2013 11:03 am

    And WTF does that mean, James?

    We should have more railways?

    More buses?

    More bridges?

    More roads?

    More tunnels?

    Less cows?

    More cows in the city?

    Less farmers?

    More farms in the city?

    More local abbattoirs?

    Import beef from China?

    Sell Australia to China for $230,000,000,000,000 and all become multi millionaires?

  74. IPA permalink
    October 27, 2013 11:27 am

    Anyone who is unfortunate enough to be compelled to drive around Melbourne during peak hour recognises the need for initiatives to ease traffic congestion (the “freeways” resemble car parks, at times). On the other hand, if your daily commute consists of a five minute tram ride from Brunswick to the city, say, you’d probably have no idea what it’s like for outer suburban types – who might spend two or three hours a day in traffic. It’s also a fact that Melbourne’s inner city dwellers tend to vote Greens or Labor, both parties favouring public transport over cars, as it happens.

  75. October 27, 2013 11:31 am

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘They’re building a tunnel down here, TB. The lefties are going crazy about it. Some of the latte set are being forced to sell their homes.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    oh 🙄 snacky,
    you are leaving out the bit where folks don`t want their `nice-quiet`suburb being turned into a shit concrete and tar highway type environment,

    and the risk of tunnel collapse that may destroy their property,
    just like the block of flats that got swallowed in sydney

  76. October 27, 2013 11:38 am

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Anyone who is unfortunate enough to be compelled to drive around Melbourne/sydney during peak hour recognises the need for initiatives to ease traffic congestion (the “freeways” resemble car parks, at times).’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    .
    while true teabag`osy, the greatest “arse-fcuk“ to the citizens of both cities is the “anti-compete“ clauses in `road-building`contracts that prevent trolley/tram/train being expanded, to protect `pp` project-profits

  77. October 27, 2013 11:41 am

    trolley=monorail 🙂 couldn`t remember what the damn thing was called, until l clicked post of course

  78. egg permalink
    October 27, 2013 1:11 pm

    Is Hyperloop pie in the sky? Or a panacea for city dwellers and the cafe set …. decentralisation? Still some technical hurdles to overcome.

    http://www.fastcoexist.com/3018674/futurist-forum/what-will-it-take-to-actually-build-the-hyperloop

  79. October 27, 2013 1:33 pm

    They ripped it off `Futurama`.
    Won`t happen in Australia.
    #hypeLoop

  80. egg permalink
    October 27, 2013 1:40 pm

    Maybe.

  81. egg permalink
    October 27, 2013 1:57 pm

    Lally Weymouth (Washington Post) interviews Abbott.

    ‘Australia has been amazingly dependent on China as an export market. How will the slowdown of China’s growth impact your economy?

    ‘Growth in China has slowed down from 9 percent to 7 percent but it is still very, very high, and Australia’s iron ore exports are going up, not down. Our gas exports are going up, not down. Sure, the resources boom is changing, but it is not ending. The investment side of the resources boom is slowing down, but the production side is cranking up, not down. In the years ahead, we will be needing investment in areas other than resources.

    ‘Over the next half-decade or decade, we are going to have to invest massively in roads and other infrastructure which have been neglected by Labor governments.’

  82. October 27, 2013 1:58 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘I was kinda being funny given TB reckons the Libs don’t build anything.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    sorry snacky, TB`s correct,
    the teabags have no real vision, their only point and purpose is to as push as much wealth towards their mega-rich sponsors, and deliver austerity via surplus-fetish to the rest,
    .
    don`t expect a `vision` based on infrastructure out of the teabags, they just don`t have one and their #nbn slash`n`burn bullshit is more to their true-self

  83. October 27, 2013 2:14 pm

    ya lally waymouth snippet looks like bullshit too egg,
    most so-called `infrastructure` fails, are usually BLOCKED by teh teabags, so really its teabag-failure,
    .
    the China/AU effects thing, bullshit, 1.3% work in our glorified dirt delivery service, what China does/doesn`t do doesn`t effect most, just a tory`talk-point for the dull, same with 7% 9% blah blah, (none of this will decrease/increase ya pension egg)

  84. egg permalink
    October 27, 2013 3:34 pm

    Don’t you worry about me, young fella, I’m asset rich.

    Fast mass transport is popular and with due diligence, a combo of free market and government input, something should be achieved over the coming decade.

    Even if they put in a VFT system extending only 200 k outside of Melbourne and Sydney it would be a boon for decentralisation.

    In the UK there is growing opposition to the VFT, which I can appreciate, they only have a small island.

  85. October 27, 2013 4:07 pm

    #fast-train and #hypeloop `might` appeal to fringe-green dwellers egg,
    tho only running them 200km`s to nodes outside the city may entice the teabags, (connect_later_with_wifi)
    .
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘I’m asset rich.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ then sell some assets to support ya`self, stop supping on the taxpayer nipple.

  86. egg permalink
    October 27, 2013 4:53 pm

    chuckle

    If Abbott follows my advice he’ll win many green votes.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2013 7:24 pm

    Here are some reasons for the NSW bushfires, according to Greens, ALP barrackers and assorted dills-

    • Climate change including Abbott promising to get rid of the carbon tax and wanting to pursue direct action

    4 Corners this evening might balance the discussion, identifying the dilapidated state of our power distribution network as a cause. This is after the same decaying infrastructure caused Victoria’s dreadful fires a few years ago.

    ..remember when Gillard wanted to save money by getting rid of our “gold plated” distribution system? Which bit of the decaying network is “gold plated”?

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