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Jimmy Carter Nails Tea Party Hypocrisy over Affordable Care Act

October 31, 2013

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The Affordable Care Act is a long, complex piece of legislation that attempts to reform the healthcare system by providing more Americans with affordable quality health insurance and by curbing the growth in healthcare spending in the US.

Reforms include new benefits, rights and protections, rules for insurance companies, taxes, tax breaks, funding, spending, the creation of committees, education, new job creation and more.

The Affordable Care Act aims to reform the US healthcare system by giving more Americans access to quality, affordable health insurance.

  • It makes insurance more affordable by providing the largest middle class tax cut for health care in history, reducing premium and out-of-pocket costs for tens of millions of families and small business owners who had been priced out of coverage in the past.  This helps over 32 million Americans afford health care who do not get it today – and makes coverage more affordable for many more. Under the plan, 95% of Americans will be insured. In 2013 over 15% of Americans are without insurance.
  • It sets up a new competitive health insurance marketplace giving tens of millions of Americans the same choices of insurance that members of Congress will have.
  • It brings greater accountability to health care by laying out common sense rules of the road to keep premiums down and prevent insurance industry abuses and denial of care.
  • It will end discrimination against Americans with pre-existing conditions.

However many Americans, notably Republicans and Tea Party nutjobs are opposed to the reforms arguing that their taxes should not be raised to provide health cover those who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford it.

Dog bless America.

 

 

 

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  1. October 31, 2013 2:49 pm

    Dont worry Reb we are going to be hearing of crowing like this from the people who call themselves “The Right” who are supposed to be “libertarians” (another word for free market tough dwelling greed ). These inbred mental pygmies oppose the public service and the government doing anything that does not profit them directly because the former politicians hand job club are the lobbyists for the trough sniffers who rally the non thinking gullible cattle class with them riding on a wave of deceitful lies… Like Obamacare is communism..fuck me

    Anybody who inconveniently disagrees with a social conscience is a socialist, pinko commie or worse “left” (code for free thinking and intelligent who does not read the telegraph).

    Not unlike the current front bench a cavalcade of imbecilic goose stepping fucktards who when faced with the prospect of actually thinking for themselves would spontaneously combust.

    People like this fucking idiot who apparently is a scientist now and is telling us that anyone opposed to the catastrophic apocalyptic stupidity that is the CSG industry is a hippy greenie socialist on a scare campaign… fuck me.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-29/reith-fracking-scare-campaigns-threaten-our-prosperity/5051576

  2. IPA permalink
    October 31, 2013 3:32 pm

    “The Affordable Care Act aims to reform the US healthcare system by giving more Americans access to quality, affordable health insurance.”

    That’s one way of putting it. Another would be that the government is moving to control an industry that accounts for one-seventh of the US economy. What could possibly go wrong?

  3. IPA permalink
    October 31, 2013 3:39 pm

    Trainwreck: Kathleen Sebelius’ Top Ten [Obamacare] Testimony Fails

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 4:08 pm

    Take Carter’s comment with Bed Pann’s and you have the essence of the modern political discourse – vapid, smug and full of hate.

    Carter’s only role these days is as a walking advert for the benefits of compulsory euthanasia.

    It was that treasonous tool who ushered the Ayatollah Khomeini to power, much as Obama now seems intent on foisting the equally vile Al Qaeda on Syria. Leftists really don’t get cause and effect. They think that a well placed hope and change mantra is all you need to make the world nice. That is precisely why they always fuck it up so badly.

    Obamacare is a case in point. The US political system is so broken that it is quite beyond it to introduce an efficient public health care system. So Obama and Sleazy Pelosi lied and bullied their legislation through. It can’t possibly work. It is essentially a compromise deal worked out behind closed doors with the health insurers who will benefit the most from it. It is riddled with special deals and exemptions (not least for Congress itself) and is pushing up the price of health care for a lot of people. The only hope is that having been legislated it will not be repealed, but rather modified into something workable. Given the interests of special interest groups on US politics that is unlikely.

    Meanwhile over in this far flung corner of the globe, although entirely irrelevant to most of us, Obamacare is just another excuse for a pissing competition. It is yet round in the war between those who want to remake the world according to their vainglorious ideology and those who want to change more slowly and in a more considered way with one eye on the lessons of the past.

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 4:23 pm

    Sebelius is a symptom of the US System. She just denies any major problems and plows ahead with her talking points. Apparently politics has got to the stage where telling the truth is just bad tactics. We saw a lot of it here in the last 6 years and it is only going to get worse.

  6. October 31, 2013 4:45 pm

    This would be the same largely unregulated industry primarily controlled by spectators, drug companies (who test most of their product is 3rd world companies), chemical companies, industrialists who have 4 lobbyists for each congress man. When you have Sara Palin arguing your case you may just have a bit of a problem with your credibility especially shutting down the economy to repeal a law unrelated to the point…its a disgrace.

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 4:57 pm

    When you have Sara Palin Kathleen Sebelius arguing your case you may just have a bit of a problem with your credibility. And why did the web site fail so epically? Hint: the contract went to an Obama donor rather than being put out to tender.

    The US political system is completely stuffed.

  8. October 31, 2013 4:57 pm

    “Carter’s only role these days is as a walking advert for the benefits of compulsory euthanasia.”

    😆

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 5:02 pm

    Bed Pann, there is something wrong with your spell check. It is almost funny. 🙂

    I don’t disagree with your list other than to observe that you are only focusing on half the story. The problem is the system. Both major parties and their hangers-on abuse it. The recent Republican antics were stupid and inept. But don’t think the other lot are much better.

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 5:05 pm

    You should note, reb, that that comment came straight after my point about hateful political discourse! I couldn’t help myself.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2013 6:18 pm

    … vapid, smug and full of hate …

    Chuckle … 🙄 🙄

    Make me see for I am blind … 🙄

  12. October 31, 2013 6:21 pm

    Nigella’s back on the telly, making something out of bacon “and juices”…

    Why do I get the feeling she’s flirting with me…? 😯

  13. October 31, 2013 6:23 pm

    “I like keeping things at home in the pantry, it gives me a lovely warm feeling”

    Come again?

  14. October 31, 2013 6:38 pm

    l`ve said similar myself,
    good to jimmy carter say it too,
    it`s a great quote and it`s too bad more `famous` people don`t say this type of thing, particularly during their elections, instead of letting the cranks have a free-ride.
    .
    `in dog we trust`

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 6:59 pm

    It is an entirely idiotic quote. All it means is that if you don’t agree to the government spending as much as I say and in the way I think fit then I’m calling you a hypocrite. The appropriate answer is to tell the grandstanding moralising twit to FUCK OFF. Carter is smug and vile. He reminds me of Malcolm Fraser.

  16. egg permalink
    October 31, 2013 7:04 pm

    ‘Come again?’

    ** chuckle **

  17. October 31, 2013 7:09 pm

    l disagree splatter, the teabags do all they can in election campaigns to gather dog-bothering votes, so when repugs support `un-christian` bills after promising to be `christian` or,
    .
    repugs campaign on `anti-gay` platforms,
    but then get caught-out arse-fcuking in airport public toilets, their voting `congregations` and `flocks` need to hear about this.
    .
    #hypocrisy

  18. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2013 7:45 pm

    This is all about moral exhibitionism. That sort of self-righteous claptrap makes wankers feel good about themselves. It seems that to win a political debate these days you must also denigrate your opponent as a hypocrite.

    As to the other stuff, I take a wide stance on those matters, Retardland.

  19. October 31, 2013 7:46 pm

    Clive has been declared `winner` if seat of fairfax.
    .
    Clive is `handling` Sales well tonight,
    Sales obsesses with what Clive `owns` and conflict of interest,
    she wasn`t this rigorous interviewing the teabags.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2013 7:52 pm

    All it means is that if you don’t agree to the government spending as much as I say and in the way I think fit then I’m calling you a hypocrite.

    Wonder how much JC charged for all his “medical work”?

    Helping the sick shouldn’t need organised religion … however, they have bleated for centuries that it is part of their calling – to help the sick and the poor – “for the meek shall inherit the Earth” … can’t have it both ways … and they seem to have been silent on this issue too …

    Actions speak louder than words …

    This I agree with …

    The only hope is that having been legislated it will not be repealed, but rather modified into something workable.

    If people want something to happen in the States it can happen … they seem to manage to organise going to war pretty easily … mostly logistics, training, resource procurement and personnel management … very much like a health system really …

    “If you think you can do a thing or think you can’t do a thing, you’re right.” – Henry Ford

    Success comes in cans … not can’ts …

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2013 7:55 pm

    Clive has been declared `winner` if seat of fairfax.

    By 53 … LOL!

    A close run thing!

  22. October 31, 2013 8:05 pm

    politics ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘is all about IMmoral exhibitionism.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ where each candidate makes his own rope for his opponent to hang him with.

  23. October 31, 2013 9:44 pm

    Splatter thing..the only difference between the republicans and the democrats is the democrats would not do this… its the same shade of shit if you ask me..

    I’m talking about the concept… Is the PBS here communism? a leftist plot? reds under the beds? of course not. 🙄 Look at prissy pyne and that fucking buffoon PM who got free educations proposing to sell off Hex debts….there is your right wing lunacy right there…

    My phone has a dyslexic mind of its own occasionally it gets it righ…like cunt instead of hunt..

    She is hot as..

  24. IPA permalink
    October 31, 2013 10:10 pm

    She’s well bred.

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2013 8:50 am

    Good link IPA. I see her dad has naval experience: “He carried out his National Service as a Royal Navy officer, during which time he commanded a fast patrol boat, HMS Gay Charger”

  26. IPA permalink
    November 1, 2013 9:13 am

    Why do teebagz hate poor people?

  27. IPA permalink
    November 1, 2013 9:16 am

    Obama’s pledge that ‘no one will take away’ [Americans’] health plans: Four Pinocchios

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2013 10:01 am

    From ToSy’s “hate poor people” link …

    There are some people in this country who are losing their current insurance and gaining better insurance at a lower cost, and there are some people in this country who are losing their current insurance and getting worse insurance at a higher cost. And there are some who are now getting insurance they couldn’t afford at all before.

    And that just about sums up the Teabag’s argument … 🙄 🙄

  29. November 1, 2013 10:25 am

    That YouTube clip is hilarious Ricky!!!

    I just watch it for the recipes of course.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2013 10:53 am

    That YouTube clip is hilarious Ricky!!!

    Why did I let you talk me into it? 🙄

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2013 12:26 pm

    I quite like Nigella. Nice video too Ricky.

    An attractive, voluptuous brunette who can cook!

  32. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 1, 2013 10:49 pm

    Listening to people twist and contort what the ACA is and isn’t here is rather entertaining…I only wish I had the time to address most of the bogus claims about “the poor” who happen to mostly have cell phones, TV’s, running water, housing, are morbidly obese, food and housing subsidies and free healthcare already etc…

    Even more amusing is going after the Tea Party who basically has been vindicated thus far. Oh delay, the horror…Now Odumba is delaying…Gotta love the irony…

    Did you know the average “poor” person in NYC makes about 30,000 plus a year once you account for tax payer subsidies already? Now we get to address the healthcare of people who refuse to stop eating McDonald’s or refuse to move off of the couch! Brilliant, only the theoretical Left can “imagine” all the people actually benefiting here…Lets hurt the majority in the name of the children…Please…

    These clowns couldn’t even roll out a website after 3 years and almost a billion dollars but we should trust them with the handling of something as complicated as the entire healthcare system…Lefties will never learn but worse, their parrots out there repeating what ever their told…Lemmings all…

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303448104579149642030106938

  33. November 2, 2013 12:17 am

    l have no problem with arizona arse-clowns applying teabag theory in teh-usa to their hearts content. What shits me to death is Australian arse-clowns demanding teabag theory be applied in Australia. When Australian arse-clowns have gone and lived for a few years in places like Detroit or New-Orleans, (and have started from zero$), and worked their way up to achieving so-called american-dream, then they might earn some `credibility`. lnstead, we get spouting for `austerity` for the bottom, from know-nothing, over-paid, over-benefited, princesses that haven`t done a days hard-yakka in their life.

  34. public toilet permalink
    November 2, 2013 1:15 am

    The US’s idea of a ‘free’ trade agreement with us was to attempt to fuck our PBS at the behest of Big Pharma.

    Yay for ‘free’ market fundamentalism.

  35. public toilet permalink
    November 2, 2013 1:18 am

    I agree with you, cabbage cheerer, they can keep their teabag zealotry to themselves.

    We don’t need to tread any further along the path to our top few percent of the population living the American Dream, while the majority get to endure the American Nightmare.

  36. IPA permalink
    November 4, 2013 9:52 pm

    NYTimes: “Congressional Republicans have stoked consumer fears and confusion with charges that the health care reform law is causing insurers to cancel existing policies and will force many people to pay substantially higher premiums next year for coverage they don’t want. That, they say, violates President Obama’s pledge that if you like the insurance you have, you can keep it.

    Mr. Obama clearly misspoke when he said that.”

  37. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 5, 2013 10:47 am

    NYTimes…Nothing more than an Obama mouthpiece…President and his administration flat out lied…Only the most delusional would argue otherwise…The sad part is, most of us opposed to this legislation (that some felt we had to pass before we saw what was in it) from the beginning have said everything that is coming to fruition would…Nothing quite like vindication but sadly, not much to celebrate here, many will be harmed for the few. Left wing logic at its worst…Elections have consequences; perhaps next time “hope and change” won’t trump experience and aptitude or worse, the color of one’s skin…Our Affirmative Action and Chief has proven he is nothing but…..

  38. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 5, 2013 11:41 am

    In the polls, most Americans wanted a medicare model, a universal health care system, but some Democrats would have joined the Republicans in opposing it – such is the national brainwashing, where the common good has become hostage to the greed and avarice of capitalist ideology.

    http://billmoyers.com/2013/11/01/rip-off-how-private-sector-health-costs-are-killing-the-american-dream/

    Part one of this series, “The High Cost of Low Taxes,” noted that while Americans enjoy a tax burden lower than that of other wealthy countries, we also pay four times as much as they do, on average, for out-of-pocket “social costs” in the private sector – on health care, retirement security, disability and unemployment insurance, and the rest of the safety net. When you add up what we pay in taxes and what we pay out of pocket, the US spends about the same amount on social costs overall as some of the most generous, heavily taxed social democracies, but we get a far less secure safety net in return…

    Bill Moyers: Obamacare – The Right Wing’s Alamo

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19788-bill-moyers-obamacare-the-right-wings-alamo

    …And let’s not talk about Lehman brothers, Bear Stearns, AIG, JPMorgan Chase. The crash of ’08. Beside those calamities, ObamaCare’s computer problems pale.

    Oh, yes, mistakes are made by big corporations and big government. And although I was for something else, something simpler and easier to manage, I’m betting this will get fixed.

    As for those strident partisan voices crowing over ObamaCare’s first bad round, ask yourself if those weren’t some of the same voices cheering on the invasion of Iraq and promising victory would be swift and easy. Ten years. Trillions of dollars. And all those lost and wrecked lives. Have we heard any apology?…

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2013 12:17 pm

    … where the common good has become hostage to the greed and avarice of capitalist ideology.

    Hear! Hear! … There and Everywhere!

  40. November 5, 2013 12:28 pm

    “the common good”

    Oh yes, make the 85% pay for the 15% and now we are on about the Iraq war again? Wasn’t that about oil or something say we aren’t getting much oil from them?

    I agree Kitty, we should let all tyrants slaughter their people wherever and whenever, as is going on right now in Syria and per the usual Left wing mantra minus America, SILENCE…But wait, wasn’t that the reasoning in bombing Libya, to save the innocent people?

    As long as America isn’t around or people dying at the hands of “chemical weapons” whats a life anyway; slaughter away…LOL You guys really do crack me up…Your all about the “children” but now your against them…I can’t keep up…Logic in a vacuum. Must be nice….

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 5, 2013 12:36 pm

  42. November 5, 2013 12:39 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘The US system is a stark testament to the fact that, at least when it comes to health care, more competition doesn’t lead to lower prices or better outcomes.’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Three facts are indisputable.’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘First, the $8,500 we spent per person on health care in 2011 was around $5,000 more than the average among developed countries_’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Second, multiple studies have found that we have significantly poorer health outcomes_’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Finally, we rely much more heavily on the private sector to finance our health care_’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    http://billmoyers.com/2013/11/01/rip-off-how-private-sector-health-costs-are-killing-the-american-dream/

    *yay free market based on false economy*

    While not only sold bullshit by their Fed-Govt,
    these type of problems are also failures at their State level.

    Maybe these `populace` states we hear about during elections, l`m thinking Florida and Ohio, are really populations of imbeciles and white-trash that haven`t had the balls to build their own state. l guess they may be happy with the most weapons and being told teh-usa is `mighty`, while being denied/restricted health and education.

  43. November 5, 2013 12:52 pm

    Cabbage..

    More left-wing intellectual might…gotta love it.

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 5, 2013 12:52 pm

    Oh yes, make the 85% pay for the 15%…

    noam’s big brain can’t quite fit into the limitations of twitter 😉

  45. November 5, 2013 1:03 pm

    That’s interesting Kitty…Are you under the assumption that people who want “other people” to pay for their “stuff” are any different? Do they take taxpayer funds out of a sense of “community”? Chomsky’s logic would work if he practiced what he preached…

    http://www.hoover.org/publications/hoover-digest/article/6222

    Parrot away; by all means….

  46. November 5, 2013 1:06 pm

    You mean his big bank account earned by selling books and appearances to the lemmings…yes indeed…Like most left wing heroes, he is a very large hypocrite but what does it matter to the “bumper sticker” ideology….Every noticed how your heroes are all very rich; say one thing and practice another?

  47. November 5, 2013 1:14 pm

    Arizona arse-clowns should learn their own history,
    teh-usa built their nation with top-tax-rates_70%

  48. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 5, 2013 1:24 pm

    Cabbage…LOL

    When was the income tax in the States (as we now know it aka a peace time income tax) made law and by whom? Your knowledge astounds me….Please go on….

  49. November 5, 2013 1:26 pm

    teh-usa couldn`t save itself from a toilet-paper shortage

  50. November 5, 2013 1:38 pm

    “teh-usa couldn`t save itself from a toilet-paper shortage”

    Your right there…Historically we tend to be better at saving some countries from Japanese invasion…;)

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2013 1:39 pm

    Arizona arse-clowns should learn their own history,
    teh-usa built their nation with top-tax-rates_70%

    Yep, like the hypocrisy of Thanksgiving … never a mention their Indigenous American neighbours saving their arses with gifts of corn and turkey!

    Nup, but lots of twistory© (just made that up! I like that!) of how them injuns wuz always attacking whitefolk! As the whitefolk took over … eventually the government paid buffalo hunters (anyone with a rifle) to kill off the buffalo herds so that them red varmints would all die out! And we can run them cattle on the prairies.

    Greed is a way of life for the USA …

    As for playing sheriff around the world … that’s because they have so much weaponry it has to be tested in “real” world scenarios … weren’t we talking about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    And don’t mention the fiasco that was VN!

    And after the war vets have done the deed for country and corporation …

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/12/31/vets-d31.html

    The Roman Republic looked after its veterans better than the USA Administrations (that’s plural – Democrat and Republican!) I confess the Australian government is quick to cheer our troops off to (usually spearhead!) America’s wars … but you won’t see much of the pollies when they come home!

    And what about this selfish little gem …

    Oh yes, make the 85% pay for the 15% …

    Says it all really …

    Live in a society where the many better off help the few who struggle, or let the few survive as long as they can in an economy …

    Doesn’t the Declaration talk about equality? Do Americans know what that actually means?

  52. November 5, 2013 1:42 pm

    and a fine job you did in Saigon, Baghdad, and Pearl Harbor too

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2013 1:47 pm

    Your right there…Historically we tend to be better at saving some countries from Japanese invasion…;)

    If you mean Oz? And I’m sure you do … then you want to read a bit of WWII history yourself, sunshine … the Japs were first stopped by the Australians at Milne Bay* with some assistance from US Navy shore personnel …

    There is no record (that I know of) of US troops fighting the Kokoda Trail!

    And even the Battle of Brisbane didn’t go well for the Yanks …

    * and the German Afrika Corp at Tobruk …

    And you a “military” person … 🙄

  54. November 5, 2013 1:54 pm

    First off TB

    “Indigenous American neighbours saving their arses with gifts of corn and turkey”

    These were Brits dude, not Americans for the record. America did not exist.

    Secondly,

    85 vs 15 but you lot down under seem to forget, as I have said before, our “poor” are not the destitute of the developing world…They are obese, have housing, cars, TV’s, heating, A/C, childcare, schooling, cable/internet, cell phones etc…Shall I go on? We are now asked to pay for the healthcare that they already have (Medicaid)…This has nothing to do with providing healthcare for the poor, it is a tax grab….Please, dig a little deeper than the headlines…We do much for our own and the world; as much as that little fact is missed by you…They had to lie to get the bill through, only way it did now they get to own it..Like most left wing tripe; simply doesn’t hold on it’s own…Takes a judge or deception to see the light of day…In practice, never works; NEVER…This will be no different…Wait till the Employer Mandate goes into effect…You will see real hell to pay…Odumba was smart enough to make sure that the most painful effects of this bill are not felt till after he is long gone living in his mansion in Hawaii and collecting his pension from the tax payer etc…All hypocrites with plenty of lemmings to buy and sell their rhetoric…

  55. November 5, 2013 1:59 pm

    being fed a diet of yankee-doodle clap-trap, while claiming credit huh,
    ww1, teh-usa only entered in the 4th-and-final quarter, once the victors were clear,
    ww2, teh-usa would not come to `friends` aid despite multiple requests, only interested in profiteering, but entered the 2nd-half on Japanese insistence
    .
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘even the Battle of Brisbane didn’t go well for the Yanks’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    don`t l know it

  56. November 5, 2013 2:04 pm

    LMAO! Ok TB…Australian’s did it all by themselves big guy…Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing but love for the fighting Men down under (tough ass soldiers) but again, your living in a vacuum. One begets the other dude…Japanese free to do as they will in the Pacific without the USA involvement; you guys would have been toast…Just simple numbers…Much like the Japs at Pearl Harbor…Stop pounding your chest…Trust me, if you would let your ego step aside for a second, you would admit that what I say is true…End of story….

  57. November 5, 2013 2:05 pm

    Ok…Serious “short man’s syndrome” here…Night boys…LOL

  58. egg permalink
    November 5, 2013 2:09 pm

    ‘Historically we tend to be better at saving some countries from Japanese invasion…;)’

    Let me be the first to say how much we appreciate what your countrymen did to save us from the Japs.

  59. November 5, 2013 2:09 pm

    ‘Night arizona, one thing teh-usa does do well,
    vacate a battle-field

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 5, 2013 2:20 pm

    Do they take taxpayer funds out of a sense of “community”?

    No, they take it because they need it. Do you ask the same of corporations who receive government [taxpayer] funding, tax cuts and tax benefits?

    Chomsky’s logic would work if he practiced what he preached…

    I think he does, he has worked in public service for all of his academic career. Could have amassed much personal wealth had he wanted to, he chose not to. Do you have a problem with him working within the system that is imposed upon all?

    Every noticed how your heroes are all very rich; say one thing and practice another?

    No.

    Oh I see, people have to be destitute, impoverished and homeless to dissent from the prevailing market view, to speak out for others and to be critical of the system that is forced upon us.

    Not sure about that fallacious logic, but I guess it makes for a diversion from any lack of argument against what chomsky says.

  61. Meta permalink
    November 5, 2013 2:22 pm

    (Something random, and perhaps even socialist

    “A third step in this business of smashing the war racket is to make certain that our military forces are truly forces for defense only.

    At each session of Congress the question of further naval appropriations comes up. The swivel-chair admirals of Washington (and there are always a lot of them) are very adroit lobbyists. And they are smart. They don’t shout that “We need a lot of battleships to war on this nation or that nation.” Oh no. First of all, they let it be known that America is menaced by a great naval power. Almost any day, these admirals will tell you, the great fleet of this supposed enemy will strike suddenly and annihilate 125,000,000 people. Just like that. Then they begin to cry for a larger navy. For what? To fight the enemy? Oh my, no. Oh, no. For defense purposes only.

    Then, incidentally, they announce maneuvers in the Pacific. For defense. Uh, huh.

    The Pacific is a great big ocean. We have a tremendous coastline on the Pacific. Will the maneuvers be off the coast, two or three hundred miles? Oh, no. The maneuvers will be two thousand, yes, perhaps even thirty-five hundred miles, off the coast.

    The Japanese, a proud people, of course will be pleased beyond expression to see the United States fleet so close to Nippon’s shores. Even as pleased as would be the residents of California were they to dimly discern through the morning mist, the Japanese fleet playing at war games off Los Angeles.”)

  62. November 5, 2013 3:04 pm

    Chomsky seems like a talking-head for hire and doesn`t really impress me much from what little l have seen of him. That said, Rand was the teabag-crank of her day, that the corporate limpets anchored their failed ideals to.
    .
    Unfettered free trade of the Rand flavor,
    would really just result in theft after theft, in the style of Skase and Madoff, resulting in the collapse of the financial system, and the rest of the stuff that depend on it.

  63. egg permalink
    November 5, 2013 3:22 pm

    ‘…the downfall of the Shogunate and the creation of a new centralized government with the emperor as its symbolic head.’

    For every action there is a counter action, so technically we should blame the US for a sticky end to WW2.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2013 3:34 pm

    I do enjoy, Sparta’s, little visits … he lives and breathes the American Nightmare Dream … 🙄

    I just hope it doesn’t become Australia’s … I can’t see it not happening at the moment tho’ … is there something in Coke?

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2013 3:36 pm

    … so technically we should blame the US for a sticky end to WW2.

    Sometime’s might is right* … sometimes right is right … sometimes right is might …

    *for Kneel and other Liberal acolytes … right as in the opposite to wrong.

  66. November 5, 2013 6:12 pm

    “Chomsky seems like a talking-head for hire…”

    Like the other dilute Chomsky critics here (with the honourable exception of splatterbottom, who at least seems to have had more than a passing glance at his history)…maybe you ought to go and actually read a few of his books.
    The USA needs critics like Chomsky who turn the magnifying glass back upon it. He is largely ignored by the masses anyway, although I must say, the recent attempts by ideological opponents to discredit what he says by implying he is an opulent hypocrite are hilarious & wide of the mark.

  67. November 5, 2013 6:17 pm

    I wonder how long the world is supposed to be indebted to the USA (and grant it a free hand in deference to it’s faux magnanimity) for defending its own strategic interests & rebalancing the scales of global power in its favour? inadvertently helping ‘allies’ along the way. 🙄

  68. November 5, 2013 6:50 pm

    *Chomsky seems like a talking-head for hire*
    .
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘The USA needs critics like Chomsky who turn the magnifying glass back upon it. He is largely ignored by the masses anyway,’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    Yeah fine, agree.
    .
    ‘ ‘ ‘Like the other dilute Chomsky critics’ ‘ ‘
    not claiming to be `chomski-critic`,
    .
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘go and actually read a few of his books.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    paid appearances, sells books, but you take truck with `talking-head` comment, geesh Dunny, l can only go on the TV slots he has done, and l have seen,(Which l noted.) which were not so red-hot with wisdom.
    .
    church-of-chomsky.?

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 5, 2013 7:00 pm

    great to see you meta,
    you have a delightfully wicked humour and if we care to dig into the hidden depths there are pearls to be found. Smedley Butler indeed!

    I must say, the recent attempts by ideological opponents to discredit what he says by implying he is an opulent hypocrite are hilarious & wide of the mark.

    that’s all they’ve got, he shows them up for the fools, liars and cons that they are. This quiet living, cardigan wearing professor certainly gets them all fired up when he speaks truth to power, his weaponry – words.

  70. egg permalink
    November 5, 2013 7:08 pm

    It goes like this, in the late 19th century the US (with an enlightened imperialist model) forced their laissez faire capitalism onto the Japanese, which ultimately led to WW2.

    But since they unconditionally surrendered its all worked out well in the long run. With China now gloating their submarine fleet can ‘take out’ every major US city, if they deemed it necessary, makes me think we haven’t advanced much.

    Of course the Chinese have no intention of destroying the means of production through military means and have decided on taking over the world commercially, after their humiliations of the past two centuries they deserve a shot.

  71. IPA permalink
    November 5, 2013 7:18 pm

    “Like the other dilute Chomsky critics here (with the honourable exception of splatterbottom, who at least seems to have had more than a passing glance at his history)…maybe you ought to go and actually read a few of his books.”

    What is this, a book club? I’d be willing to bet the upthread linkers to Chomsky’s anti-Rand tweets have read about same number of pages of Atlas Shrugged as the aforementioned Chomsky critics have any of his diatribes.

  72. November 5, 2013 7:39 pm

    Exactly lpad`osy. This is a not fcuking book-club.
    There has been plenty of footage shot of Rand `and` Chomsky to get a decent taste of both these critters without reading their `bibles` chapter and verse.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2013 8:10 pm

    LMAO! Ok TB…Australian’s did it all by themselves big guy

    Nor did the Septic Tanks, sunshine … as for Stop pounding your chest… We don’t actually do that but some of us do get a bit sick of Yanks doing it …

    Let’s do a little timeline here …

    September 3, 1939
    War declared by Australia and then Britain (yep we were first there too) on …. following Germany’s invasion of Poland

    Australian troops fought in the Middle East desert and the Near East (most of the latter ended up in Changi or worse because of Churchill’s bungling and poor leadership from senior British officers- again)

    Ausgust – September 1942
    When Australia realised the threat from Japan they recalled troops from the Middle East. Churchill attempted to divert the 6th and 7th Divisions to Burma while they were en route to Australia, but the Australian Prime Minister, John Curtin, refused to authorise this movement.

    July – November, 1942 …
    Japanese crack marines were stopped within sight of Port Moresby on the Kokoda track … initially held by “chockos”* 39th and 53rd Battalion plus elements of the 2/14th and 2/16th …

    September 39 – Sept, 40 – Sept, 41 Oct, Nov, Dec, 41 over two years of profiteering (the USA made a fortune selling arms and foodstuffs to the Allies and lifted themselves out of the great Depression – Lend Lease will go down as the biggest fraud in political history against supposed allies) and then Japan makes up the USA’s dithering mind …

    December 7, 1941
    Pearl Harbour attacked by Japan and USA suffers massive naval losses and declares war on Japan … (part of the US Pacific Fleet is still based there today …)

    25 August – 7 September 1942
    The Battle of Milne Bay … Japan’s first defeat … by Australian troops

    March 1942
    McArthur “escapes” to Australia from the Phillipines

    4–8 May 1942
    The Battle of the Coral Sea, the most significant battle in the Pacific

    26–27 November, 1942
    The Battle of Brisbane

    The Island hopping of the US Marines and Army would not have been possible if the Japanese had got a foothold at Milne Bay or Port Moresby …

    MacArthur was/is not well thought of in Australia … apart from his arrogance, his assessment of Australian troops in particularl, was not only insulting but very, very wrong.

    And for the record if any country actually “won” WWII it was Russia under that arsehole Stalin …

    As,Toillette, says read some history … Tom Holland is a good start – althogh you may not like his portrayal of the US … a 21st Century historian who tells it the way it was … or for an Aussie perspective , Paul Ham, Peter Fitzsimons, Mike Carlton …

    *”chockos” – part time militia called chocolate soldiers because they would “melt in the heat of battle” – they didn’t …

  74. November 5, 2013 8:28 pm

    agree, if `anybody` won ww2 the ussr did, and had a death-toll of more than everybody else combined

  75. November 5, 2013 8:32 pm

    by the way TB, is the ww2 arrogant macarthur the same one that pushed for creating the 60-year korea disaster.?

  76. egg permalink
    November 5, 2013 9:14 pm

    McArthur wanted to nuke the North Koreans but the President said no.

  77. egg permalink
    November 5, 2013 9:24 pm

    The American and Australian troops often fought each other in spontaneous riots over Aussy wimmen.

    On one celebrated occasion a train load of yanks going south pulled up alongside a train full of diggers going north into action…. but that’s another story.

  78. Sparta of Phoenix AZ USA permalink
    November 6, 2013 2:50 am

    LMFAO! That has got to be the most moot narrative I have seen yet making a case for what exactly? Australia’s defeat of the Japanese? And you wonder why taking you serious is so hard to do TB. Revisionist history just gets better and better…

    I know you have insecurity issues TB but this just “takes the cake”…heheheh

  79. egg permalink
    November 6, 2013 7:59 am

    The US cut off oil supplies to Japan in 1941, hoping they would come to their senses and stop slaughtering the Manchurians and being generally expansionist.

    Initially they decided to invade Russia and steal their oil, but Stalin got wind of it and in a preemptive strike the Russians destroyed 500 Jap planes.

    It would be a totally different world today if Stalin didn’t have big ears and its quite clear the Japs got the Pearl Harbour idea from the Ruskies.

  80. Walrus permalink
    November 6, 2013 9:57 am

    “………….agree, if `anybody` won ww2 the ussr did, and had a death-toll of more than everybody else combined”

    Agree.

    Especially in so far as Europe is concerned. As Stalin said “quantity has a certain quality of its own”.

    Also in the Pacific theatre the Japs were quite terrified of the Soviets invading a number of their home islands and quickly folded (post Hiroshima and Nagasaki) once the Soviets invaded Mongolia and China in the final months of the War when Nagasaki had pushed them to the brink of surrender.

    However there is no doubt that when the Mayor of Hiroshima uttered “what the fuck was that ?” it was the major catalyst to finishing it.

    And by the way you cant argue that Britain and its “Empire” or the Western Europeans won the War anyway.

    We entered it to free Poland from tyranny and it ended with Poland still under tyranny.

    Where’s the Victory in that ?

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 6, 2013 10:05 am

    What is this, a book club?

    And what’s wrong with a book club? We have a wine club that meets here from time to time. I don’t share the extreme right wing aversion to readin’ and learnin’ stuff.

    Atlas Shrugged is a work of fiction isn’t it?

    Not sure that credible economies ought to be based on fiction writing, even though we have the example of a variety of dog books and dogbotherers. Objectivity is another word for selfism. Some people are incapable of being rational or objective. Are they the losers in a randian world? Didn’t Rand famously get cancer and then accept social security and medicare under another name? Now, that’s what I call hypocrisy. But I wouldn’t deny her the benefit of social security and medical treatment at taxpayers expense at time in her life when she needs it, that is why we pay the taxes, the common good.

  82. egg permalink
    November 6, 2013 10:10 am

    ‘Where’s the Victory in that ?’

    Pyrrhic Victory.

  83. November 6, 2013 11:17 am

    “I don’t share the extreme right wing aversion to readin’ and learnin’ stuff.”

    Depends on what you deem is the definition of learning…Parroting failed theories hardly qualifies….Been tried, over and over…Results please?

    Atlas Shrugged is a work of fiction isn’t it?

    Yes indeed…Right up there with “Das Kapital”!

  84. Walrus permalink
    November 6, 2013 11:23 am

    “…….its quite clear the Japs got the Pearl Harbour idea from the Ruskies.”

    And the successful British shallow harbour air dropped torpedo attack on the Italians at Taranto I might add

  85. November 6, 2013 11:30 am

    “Where’s the Victory in that ?”

    Indeed…

  86. egg permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:04 pm

    In the 1930s there was plenty of anecdotal evidence around to suggest the Japanese were only ‘copyists’, which is understandable considering they had been dragged out of their Medieval past.

    The Meiji Restoration was in response to western encroachment and in hindsight WW2 could have been avoided if the US had used some due diligence and kept out of the place.

  87. egg permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:08 pm

    I mean war could have been avoided in the Pacific theatre.

    Nice to see you, Walrus.

  88. Walrus permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:14 pm

    “In the 1930s there was plenty of anecdotal evidence around to suggest the Japanese were only ‘copyists’,”

    LOL

    I think it was Lee Iacocca who said that the Japanese post war contribution to automobile industry design and development was the Coin Box

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:33 pm

    And if you think Uber Kapitalism USA style is good for you … read this and weep if you are a saver … one of the best of Alan Kohler’s columns I’ve read …

    It is a great irony of the modern world that central banks are forced to battle the destructive effects of higher productivity.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:41 pm

    Your right there…Historically we tend to be better at saving some countries from Japanese invasion…;)

    The USA didn’t actually “save Australia” … but Australian troops were quite busy stopping the Japanese LONG before the USA got clobbered …

    Australia’s defeat of the Japanese?

    Nor did I say Australia defeated Japan … but nor did the USA on its own …

    Millions of people had died fighting in WWI and WWII before the USA got ever off its arse … and stopped bleeding other countries of the ability to buy resources …

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:42 pm

    by the way TB, is the ww2 arrogant macarthur the same one that pushed for creating the 60-year korea disaster.?

    Yes its is/was …

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:44 pm

    I know you have insecurity issues TB

    I do? 😯 🙄

    Are you playing the man again and not the ball … what is it with fkn tories?

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 12:50 pm

    We entered it to free Poland from tyranny and it ended with Poland still under tyranny.

    Where’s the Victory in that ?

    Agree … the victory was stopping the Third Reich … it needed to be done …

    My point about “who won the war” is that … it was not one nation … as usual it was a bunch of “allies” …

    Have we “won the war” in Afghanistan? Iraq? I don’t think so … maybe the Taliban will be a bit more “careful” but they’ll be back …

    The Middle East is where Europe was in the 18th/19th Century … should we be involved?

    i look at countries or groups of countries as goung through the five stages of Group Dynamics …

    Forming, storming, norming, performing and adjourning … and it does fit …

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 1:06 pm

    Parroting failed theories hardly qualifies….

    No-one actually does that only you …

    Tell us about Uber Kapitalism and democracy USA style … 😛

    I mean war could have been avoided in the Pacific theatre.

    Not really, Japan had invaded Manchria in the early thirties and had a strategy called Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere that would see the Japanese Empire controlling all the Pacific region …

    Wars are complicated beast made even more complex by stupid politicians who dabble in military leadership … or military leaders who dabble in politics …

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 1:22 pm

    I think it was Lee Iacocca who said that the Japanese post war contribution to automobile industry design and development was the Coin Box

    Then, Iacocca, is Dickwit ..

    I joined Nissan in 1964 and spent sixteen years in the industry with them (and a couple of years working on armoured vehicles 😉 …

    … I never reached the dizzying heights of Iacocca :roll:) … I just went through the ranks from tradie to zone service manager (I looked after 36 dealerships) …

    … Japanese manufacturing in that era surpassed anything the Yanks put out … mainly because the Japanese car industry listened to one American (ignored by his own countrymen), Deming … he revolutionised car manufacture as much if not more than Henry Ford … beginning in Japan and then the world followed!

    Yes, the Japanese copied … they even copied the Royal Navy, yep, right down to uniforms (as a matelot if he/she knows what the three stripes mean on their uniform and why they have a little cape of the shoulders?) … but they then improved on it, and actually did become a world power …

    … next time you are on the road count the number of Japanese, Korean (who copied the Japanese and Germans BTW) cars and then compare to Australian cars and European imports …

    Here’s a bit of info …

    http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/toyota-corolla-tops-new-car-sales-20130503-2ix5o.html

  96. egg permalink
    November 6, 2013 1:45 pm

    ‘and had a strategy called Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere’

    Yeah, I had forgotten about that.

  97. egg permalink
    November 6, 2013 3:33 pm

    Cutting off US supplies of oil to Japan was probably intended to contain them, but with the Japanese military running the show there was little likelihood of that.

    So they plunged south for the resources they needed.

    ‘Wars are complicated beasts’

    Strongly agree and with the complexity of modern times, in the midst of a technological and communications revolution, we can only hope our leaders have learnt something from history. By the way, I’ve never heard of the Battle of Brisbane.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    November 6, 2013 3:41 pm

    The Battle of Brisbane is even on Wiipedia!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane

    It was a sore point (as you indicated earlier) that MacArthur kept a lot of his troops in Brisbane and Townsville … while Australian troops, after slogging through deserts and jungles and sailing back half way around the world were sent North to fight the Japanese marines and soldiers … most of the fighting earlier by the USA was carried out by naval forces by the USN and a few ships from the RAN …

  99. IPA permalink
    November 9, 2013 7:29 pm

    Maybe Jimmy Carter will pay the difference.

  100. November 9, 2013 8:42 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Following the Battle of Brisbane, resentment towards American troops led to several smaller riots in Townsville, Rockhampton and Mount Isa. In other states similar riots also followed, the Melbourne riots on 1 December 1942 and the Battle of Bondi on 6 February 1943. The Battle of Perth in January 1944 and the Battle of Fremantle in April 1944 also stemmed from resentment towards American troops.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane


    l always thought the battle-of-bris, was at the railway, train of yank`s shoot-out with a train of Aussie`s TB. l did`nt quite realize the quantity of battles and riots we had with teh-usa during ww2.

  101. egg permalink
    November 9, 2013 9:13 pm

    Australian wimmen were wooed by stockings and chocolates, the diggers knew who the enemy was.

  102. November 9, 2013 9:30 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘with the complexity of modern times, in the midst of a technological and communications revolution, we can only hope our leaders have learnt something from history.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    all signs point to, they haven`t, egg

  103. IPA permalink
    November 10, 2013 10:12 am

    Colorado Woman Who Championed Obamacare Loses Insurance Plan

  104. IPA permalink
    November 10, 2013 10:15 am

    Analysis: Tens of millions could be forced out of health insurance they had

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/07/207909/analysis-tens-of-millions-could.html#storylink=cpy

  105. IPA permalink
    November 10, 2013 10:22 am

    ‘In an interview with Chuck Todd yesterday, President Obama spoke about the 8-10 million Americans whose insurance policies are being canceled:

    ‘THE PRESIDENT: So — the majority of folks will end up being better off, of course, because the website’s not workin’ right. They don’t necessarily know it right. But it — even though it’s a small percentage of folks who may be disadvantaged, you know, it means a lot to them. And it’s scary to them. And I am sorry that they — you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me. We’ve got to work hard to make sure that — they know — we hear ‘em and that we’re gonna do everything we can — to deal with folks who find themselves — in a tough position as a consequence of this.

    ‘… But obviously, we didn’t do a good enough job in terms of how we crafted the law. And, you know, that’s somethin’ that I regret. That’s somethin’ that we’re gonna do everything we can to get fixed. In the meantime –’

  106. egg permalink
    November 10, 2013 10:28 am

    The Americans are afraid of democratic socialism, so their mixed economy leans more towards WMDs and away from universal health care on the command side.

  107. IPA permalink
    November 14, 2013 2:31 pm

    The Hill: House Dems about to ‘go crazy’

    “House Democrats on Wednesday expressed increasing frustration at the Obama administration’s inability to improve the rollout of ObamaCare.

    “Democrats said they’re worried about “being dragged into this non-stop cycle” of bad news about the ObamaCare rollout, rather than celebrating the successes of the law they helped to pass, a Democratic aide said.”

  108. IPA permalink
    November 14, 2013 4:23 pm

  109. November 14, 2013 5:34 pm

    Free Trade collusions ‘Agreements’ with the US.

    Sooooo worth encumbering ourselves with! 🙄

    Obama, the commie, prosecuting his States’ corporate interests at all costs. The illusion of socialism must take some perpetuating by his supposed ideological opponents across the Ocean. Fantastic self deception.

    unfknblvbl

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/13/trans-pacific-paternership-intellectual-property

    And there’s us, as usual, with our noses tucked so far up Uncle Sam’s arse in acquiescence that we our ‘leaders’ can’t wait to sign us all up for an impromptu arse-pounding.

  110. November 14, 2013 5:36 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/13/wikileaks-trans-pacific-partnership-chapter-secret

    No instance of NewsCorp. running this. Hmmmmmmmmm…even fkn Kochie the PortPowerFucktard had it on his banner this morning…

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 14, 2013 6:05 pm

    Intellectual property rights are inherently evil. They are a statutory monopoly which should only ever be granted in limited circumstances. The basic rule is that society grants the monopoly only if it benefits. Sadly, under the inherent corruption of the US political process IP owners pay lobbyists to bribe politicians to keep extending IP rights from which the IP owners make even more money to repeat the cycle. In effect IP rights are privatised taxation.

    What we need to do is to go back and weed out all the IP laws that have no net benefit to society, which would be most of them. Software patents are a typical example as are business process patents and now surgical technique patents. Unbelievable!

  112. November 14, 2013 6:28 pm

    “Intellectual property rights are inherently evil.”

    Essence captured.

    You scare me sometimes, splatter. 🙂

    One of my main objections (I would be cynical of the benefits to everyman of such agreements regardless) is the back of the envelope shit going on to push this prohibitive shit upon us without consent, not even tacit consent. They know a clear majority wouldn’t stand for it if they could see the implications, so it is being very carefully obscured from public awareness until it is passed. And I do think it will be passed.

    This is the stuff we should all be looking at.

    Not fucken fixated on a hyped problem with immigration which has been hyperbolised to the point of terminality.

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 14, 2013 6:47 pm

    “This is the stuff we should all be looking at.”

    Agreed. IP is really just expropriation by the US. And Australia is deeply complicit. This sort of vile subservience is completely ridiculous!

  114. November 14, 2013 7:03 pm

    Strongly agree.

    The push button issues that they use as a smokescreen preclude stuff like this from the public sphere.

    * that’s not to deny those issues…just that they’re used as emotive push buttons by opportunistic politicians of all persuasions (primarily because they work ).

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2013 8:08 pm

    “Intellectual property rights are inherently evil.”

    In some case (the Yanks have bastardised the process eg genome/DNA science …) but I still own intellectual property on learning/assessment material, OHS and policy/procedures … I wrote it why should I jus give it away … in fact I still sell some occasionally

  116. egg permalink
    November 14, 2013 9:12 pm

    Can’t get my head around this extreme internet restriction, Obama is only a pinko compared to a real commie like Xi.

    ‘He has revived the Mao-era “Fengqiao experience”, targeting “reactionary elements” with renewed talk of the class struggle. Qian Gang from the Hong Kong’s China Media Project says it is an assault on China’s fragile rule of law, warning that Mr Xi is “playing with fire”.

    ‘What we see is a crackdown on the internet, the media, academia and even science. Mr Xi has studied what happened to the Bolsheviks when Mikhail Gorbachev began to open up the Soviet system, and seems to have drawn a grim conclusion.’

    Ambrose Evans Pritchard

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2013 9:28 pm

    And maybe he remembers, Tiananmen Square, egg … 😐

  118. egg permalink
    November 14, 2013 10:06 pm

    Yeah.

    They seem to want the masses to have middle class affluence without freedom, a risky venture.

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 15, 2013 8:22 am

    “I wrote it why should I just give it away”

    It’s not about you. The question is: what benefit does society get from granting monopoly rights? If there is some benefit, then the question is what is the optimum strength and duration of the rights to be granted? And what sanctions should be imposed for abuse of monopoly rights?

  120. IPA permalink
    November 15, 2013 10:09 am

    Intellectual property rights are inherently evil complicated.

    Pro.

    Con.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2013 10:32 am

    It’s not about you. The question is: what benefit does society get from granting monopoly rights?

    It is about me I own IP. Do you?

    You’re argument affects my right to ownership of my IP … I’ve fought two cases and won over unauthorised use of my IP. One here and one in South Africa.

    You make a profit from selling stuff (small business as I recall) … why not sell at your cost price? Because like me you need to earn money to survive.

    I spent many hours researching, designing, developing and writing material why should I give it away?

    Why should IP not have similar values as applied to physical labour?

    Either we have a free MARKET or we don’t …

    However, as I commented earlier, there are certain things that that should not be copywitten or patented … the Yanks have really gone too far … fancy Apple taking Samsung to court because they had patented rounded corners on telephones!!! And DNA is owned by everyone …

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 15, 2013 12:36 pm

    “It is about me I own IP. Do you?”

    As usual, by using yourself as the measure of all things you totally miss the point. It is a given that those who benefit from the existing system think it is great – just ask Monsanto.

    The real question is whether the system is beneficial to society. My view is that the current IP framework has many negative consequences and should be reviewed on the basis of first principles.

    “You’re argument affects my right to ownership of my IP”

    That is just question-begging cant. The real issue is the nature and extent of IP laws.

    “Either we have a free MARKET or we don’t …”

    Don’t shout, especially when you are saying something as stupid as that. The point about IP is that it is a statutory monopoly granted to the holder of the IP. It is the opposite of a free market.

    There is no doubt that monopolies are inherently evil. The question is whether and to what extent the statutory monopolies that are IP are a necessary evil. As IPA notes the issue is complex. It is worth a look at his links although you should be cautious about the ramblings of that commo Tim Wilson.

    The argument for IP is that it encourages innovation and effort from people who spend “many hours researching, designing, developing and writing material” and it encourages innovators to share their ideas. Even if you accept that these things are socially beneficial, there is still a complex argument that needs to be had about the extent, nature and duration of the IP monopoly granted to creators of IP.

    “fancy Apple taking Samsung to court because they had patented rounded corners on telephones!!! And DNA is owned by everyone”

    We essentially agree. The system has gotten out of hand. The Yanks want tighter rules so their wealthy citizens and corporations can screw the rest of the planet. They should be resisted and we should have a good look at the system to see that it is beneficial to society.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2013 1:45 pm

    Don’t shout, especially when you are saying something as stupid as that.</I.

    🙄 🙄

  124. November 15, 2013 6:09 pm

    ” The system has gotten out of hand. The Yanks want tighter rules so their wealthy citizens and corporations can screw the rest of the planet. They should be resisted and we should have a good look at the system to see that it is beneficial to society.”

    Yep.

    ” It is worth a look at his links although you should be cautious about the ramblings of that commo Tim Wilson.”

    And don’t let that caution wane as you peruse any link from the onerous Institute of ‘Public’ Affairs. 😆

    You won’t often see a Freemarketeer openly criticising intrusive US capitalist permeation policy though. American Exceptionalism for everyone & all that…vague inuendos about the Soviets, dead as they are, etc.
    They do so like to quibble about non-Republican POTUS’s though…as if any POTUS ever deviates far from the juggernaut of Manifest Destiny as foreign policy (albeit, the rhetorical deviances).

  125. November 15, 2013 6:10 pm

    *innuendos

  126. egg permalink
    November 15, 2013 6:43 pm

    Getting back to China, Matt Ridley agrees with the consensus.

    ‘The Chinese Communist Party is trying to continue pulling off the trick that has served it ever since Deng Xiaoping defeated the Gang of Four: more economic freedom combined with less political freedom. The people can choose any good or service they want — except their government.

    ‘In many ways it has worked extremely well. In 1978 Maoism had left the country horribly poor: more than half the people of China tried to live on less than a dollar a day. Over the next nine years per capita income doubled, then doubled again over the nine years after that.’

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2013 8:12 pm

    … more economic freedom combined with less political freedom …

    Well that sounds familiar … pretty much like the rest of us … the only difference is that the Chinese don’t have the catliks influencing the show … Rupert was well pleased that Australia had a catlik PM on his recent “trip” …

    FMD 🙄 “roll:

  128. IPA permalink
    November 15, 2013 8:37 pm

    Someone’s obsessed with catlicks. And robber barons. Oh yeah, and eye rolls. 😛

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2013 8:46 pm

    Chuckle … someone’s obsessed with quotes, other people’s ideas and shit-stirring. Oh yeah and … erm 😛

  130. IPA permalink
    November 15, 2013 8:56 pm

    Seriously though, TB. What was it you used to do? I don’t think you ever said.

    Hawhaw. 😯

  131. IPA permalink
    November 15, 2013 8:57 pm

    (Meant to do this 😀 not that 😯 )

  132. egg permalink
    November 15, 2013 9:19 pm

    ‘I don’t think you ever said.’

    That’s pretty dry IPA.

  133. IPA permalink
    November 15, 2013 9:45 pm

    Anyhoo, Jimmy Carter / “Affordable” “Care” Act fans won’t want to read this. (Some of us will love it. 😉 )

  134. egg permalink
    November 16, 2013 8:46 am

    ‘the only difference is that the Chinese don’t have the catliks influencing the show …’

    China needs a good catlick running the show, Xi is a moral ignoramus, unlike our tone who is gaining world recognition as someone with revolutionary zeal.

    By comparison the slow pace of Chinese political reform is not a good look.

    ‘Chinese President Xi Jinping has furnished his reformist credentials by unveiling an ambitious array of key social and economic policy goals, including the relaxation of its one-child policy and the abolition of its controversial labour camps.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-announces-sweeping-reforms-loosens-onechild-policy-20131115-2xmz2.html#ixzz2kkf0sXOF

  135. November 16, 2013 8:48 am

    Very true there IPA…I must sadly admit that I too have taken some joy in watching the Affirmative Action & Chief, along with his lemmings, twist in the wind…Liberals never seem to understand that their “ideas” only work in “theory”. Even now, “just wait and see, it is going to work”….We have our President and all “the kings men” out in the open for the world to see; all their brilliance on display…Still, the Media tries to protect him…Poor baby….

  136. egg permalink
    November 16, 2013 10:14 am

    Admittedly there has been some teething problems.

  137. November 16, 2013 3:15 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘The system has gotten out of hand. The Yanks want tighter rules so their wealthy citizens and corporations can screw the rest of the planet. They should be resisted and we should have a good look at the system to see that it is beneficial to society.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
    .
    Dunny + Splatter
    .
    Yeah l agree with both of you, and the sentiments. Unfortunately, the Corporations have successfully made themselves 1st-class-citizens of teh-usa and all her lap-dogs collectively know as teh-west. While also reducing `real-people` citizens to 3rd-class-citizens, and Govt-Depts to 2nd-class-citizens that can still `Lord`it over the little people, but can`t touch the Corps. Corps will continue to get away with `blue-murder` on all topics while Govts continue to `dismantle` themselves, their Depts and their Revenues.

  138. egg permalink
    November 16, 2013 3:44 pm

    ” The system has gotten out of hand. The Communist Chinese want tighter rules so their wealthy citizens and corporations can screw the rest of the planet. They should be resisted and we should have a good look at the system to see that it is beneficial to society.”

    Apologies to the author.

  139. November 16, 2013 4:13 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘President Xi said on Friday urgent reform was necessary in the face of “unbalanced growth” in China’s economy.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘He said there was an “obvious increase” in societal problems and conflict, rising from a raft of problems including marked wealth disparity, and shortfalls in social security, healthcare, housing, food safety and education.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ”“The environment both at home and globally is going through wide-ranging yet profound changes,” Mr Xi said, in an accompanying statement. “Our nation’s development is facing a series of prominent challenges, creating numerous problems and questions for the road ahead.”’ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘The 20,000-character manifesto released by the central government on Friday night – The Decision on Major Issues Concerning Comprehensively Deepening Reforms – was the product of a four-day closed-door meeting of the nation’s top leaders this week.’ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘It detailed 60 policy objectives grouped into 16 categories encompassing ambitious financial and economic reform, as well as promises of’ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘greater attention on social problems and strengthening the rule of law,’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘including the “independent and fair use” of its judiciary.’ ‘ ‘

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘The reform roadmap also sets out a plan for SOEs to contribute 30 per cent of its profits to the state by 2020 to help fund social welfare programmes.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-announces-sweeping-reforms-loosens-onechild-policy-20131115-2xmz2.html
    .
    l notice teh-usa and teh-west are doing the opposite to China as they crumble. Nice to see China feeding the world-press some teabag talk-points to act as a distraction.
    .
    ++++++++++++++++++++++ + + + + +
    WISDOM-FREE STATEMENT
    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘China needs a good catlick running the show, Xi is a moral ignoramus, unlike our tone who is gaining world recognition as someone with revolutionary zeal.

    By comparison the slow pace of Chinese political reform is not a good look.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘

  140. egg permalink
    November 16, 2013 5:10 pm

    ‘But those doubting Mr Xi’s ability to push through key economic reforms – including a promise for market forces to play a “decisive role” – have long pointed to the entrenched vested interests in China’s dominant state-owned sector, who have been enriched by the status quo and wield considerable power within the party.’

  141. November 16, 2013 6:00 pm

    The biggest windfall US corporations ever had was being legally declared ‘individuals’ & all of the entitlements which that enshrines.

    What a backwardsarsed system to be deifying.

    Anyhoo, Freemarketeers would prefer to ignore such things.

  142. November 16, 2013 7:07 pm

    ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘What a backwardsarsed system to be deifying.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
    l await their first meal of Soylent Green. 😆

  143. November 17, 2013 12:22 am

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm

    The real reason we have so many people uninsured in this country and the reason our healthcare has become so expensive in the past 30 years…It is the elephant in the room that is getting no coverage…When you have more people in our country illegally then you do legally in all of Australia, well it is bound to add up….

  144. November 17, 2013 9:17 am

    The elephant in the room is teh-usa were more than happy to have south-border slaves working below minimum-wage to pick orange crops that enrich ungrateful arizona arse clown types claiming they are `christian`. The same lot of arse-clowns, still claiming to be christian, not only demand that `aliens` don`t get health-care, but demand their own citizens don`t get health-care either, and tried to shut-down the Govt to ensure their `christian` lunacy.

  145. egg permalink
    November 17, 2013 9:56 am

    Praise the Free Market

  146. November 17, 2013 10:55 am

    Dodo? Please…

    Ignorant…Nothing more be said…Stay tuned to MSNBC…

  147. IPA permalink
    December 13, 2013 10:00 am

    PolitiFact: Lie of the Year: ‘If you like your health care plan, you can keep it’

  148. IPA permalink
    December 23, 2013 8:22 pm

    USA Today: Obama is a loser at 2013’s end

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